Amazing New Music From Joanna Newsom: “Sapokanikan”

Look, and despair
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Wow, new music from Joanna Newsom for the first time in five years, and it’s magnificent. She’s probably best known for her compositions on which she plays harp, but there’s no harp on this song — just an incredible arrangement of a very different sort of music.

The title of the song is the name of the Native American area now known as Greenwich Village in Manhattan.

Track from Joanna Newsom LP/CASS/CD “Divers”, available on October 23, 2015 on Drag City.
Preorder now at: dragcity.com
Buy “Sapokanikan” and preorder “Divers” now at: itunes.apple.com

VIDEO
Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson
Produced by Sara Murphy, Albert Chi, Erica Frauman
Edited by Andy Jurgensen

Camera: Adam Kimmel, Aaron Tichenor
Telecine Colorist: Gregg Garvin
Production Company: Ghoulardi Film Company

Crew:
Jeff Kunkel, Robert Ellenberg, Aly Migliori, Louis Matta, Christian Gagnier, Nigel S. Clayton, Zander Fife, Dylan Tichenor, Cassandra Kulukundis

MUSIC
Joanna Newsom: Piano, Schiedmayer Celesta, Vocals
Neal Morgan: Drums
Ryan Francesconi: Guitar, Bass Guitar, Bouzouki, Baglama
Judith Linsenberg: Recorder
Andy Strain: Trombone

Produced & Mixed by Joanna Newsom & Noah Georgeson
Recorded by Steve Albini & Noah Georgeson
Written by Joanna Newsom

Arrangement of Trombone, Recorder, Bouzouki, Baglama, and Guitars by Ryan Francesconi

Lyrics:

The cause is Ozymandian.
The map of Sapokanikan
is sanded and beveled,
the land lone and leveled
by some unrecorded and powerful hand
which plays along the monument,
and drums, upon a plastic bag,
The Brave Men and Women, So Dear to God
and Famous To All of the Ages rag.

(Sing: Do you love me?
Will you remember?
The snow falls above me.
The Renderer, renders.
The Event is in the hand of God.)

Beneath a Patch of Grass,
her bones the old Dutch master hid,
while, elsewhere, Tobias and the Angel disguised
what the scholars surmised was a mother and kid
(interred with other daughters, in dirt, in other potters’ fields).
Above them,
parades mark the passing of days
through parks where pale colonnades arch
in marble and steel,
where all of the Twenty Thousand attending your foot fall
(and the Cause that they died for)
are lost in the idling birdcalls,
and the records they left are cryptic at best,
lost in obsolescence:

the text will not yield
(nor X-ray reveal, with any fluorescence)
where the Hand of the Master begins and ends.

I fell.
I tried to do well, but I won’t be.
Will you tell the one that I loved
to remember, and hold me?
I call and call for the doctor,
but the snow swallows me whole,
with old Florry Walker.

The event lives only in print.

He said,
“It’s alright, and it’s all over now,” and boarded the plane,
his belt unfastened,
(The boy was known to show unusual daring—
and called a ‘boy’, this alderman
confounding Tammany Hall, in whose employ
King Tamanend himself preceded John’s fall!)

So we all raise a standard
to which the wise and honest soul may repair;
to which a hunter,
a hundred years from now,
may look, and despair, and see with wonder
the tributes we have left to rust in the park:
swearing that our hair stood on end,
to see John Purroy Mitchel depart for the Western Front,
where work might count.
All exeunt! All go out!
Await the hunter, to decipher the stone
(and what lies under, now).
The city is gone.
Look, and despair.
Look, and despair.

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510 comments
1
htmlmencken  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:23:31pm

Good stuff! Joanna was a year ahead of me in high school and I actually worked with her brother for some time. My cousin, Alela Diane, opens for Joanna on her upcoming east coast tour.

Gotta love the folk music coming out of the Tahoe foothills these days.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:24:36pm

re: #1 htmlmencken

Welcome, hatchling.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:32:40pm

This song is…interesting. The vocal style reminds me of Bjork.

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bratwurst  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:39:01pm

A new genre of humor has been born:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:40:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:40:43pm

I don’t like her voice—it’s too high-pitched and squeaky—kinda reminds me of “Melanie” (Brand New Key)

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:40:49pm

...

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:41:18pm

re: #6 bratwurst

You beat me to it!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:41:27pm

I’ll just listen to the YOOGE collection of Haydn symphonies I just downloaded.

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:45:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:47:50pm

I’m convinced that Jake Shimabukuro is some kind of alien being. No human can make a ukulele sound like this.

Jake Shimabukuro - “Blue Roses Falling” at Old Settler’s Music Festival 2015

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:48:05pm

re: #12 Kid A

So Trump wasn’t paying attention during Nixon’s price fixing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:48:30pm

re: #14 Belafon

So Trump wasn’t paying attention during Nixon’s price fixing?

Nixon was a low energy loooser…

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:50:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:51:06pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:53:34pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mattand  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:53:35pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Carson’s not the danger. Paper Willy is the one you have to worry about.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:54:14pm

Now Trump is attacking Carson because he’s a 7th Day Adventist.

I got a feeling that there will be a lot of blood on the floor at the next GOP debate!

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:54:31pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I’m convinced that Jake Shimabukuro is some kind of alien being. No human can make a ukulele sound like this.

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Video

You can’t fool me. It’s really a harp, right?

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No Depression  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:55:16pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stand back! Ben’s gotta practice his stabbing!

Roberto stabbin

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 5:58:49pm

re: #1 htmlmencken

Good stuff! Joanna was a year ahead of me in high school and I actually worked with her brother for some time. My cousin, Alela Diane, opens for Joanna on her upcoming east coast tour.

Gotta love the folk music coming out of the Tahoe foothills these days.

I caught the tail-end of an interview with her on Friday, then heard her sing. Such a talent; such a unique voice.

(I also caught the tail-end of an interview with Iris Dement the day before. I was never a fan, but I was enchanted by her story and heard her voice in a new way when she performed a song. It’s a damn shame about all the auto-tune bs going around these days when the human voice and performance can be beautiful in so many different ways.)

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:00:19pm
Now Trump is attacking Carson because he’s a 7th Day Adventist.

Trump will soon be an 8th Day Adventist because it’s better, it goes to eight.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:11:16pm

Well, the Public Safety Diver training scenarios went well. They had some challenging conditions with 0 visibility, soft mud bottom, lots of sunken trees and roots, but in each case they were able to interview the witnesses (hats off to the two Scouts playing witness, it was a cold damp day to just stand around), find the body and control the scene.

I don’t have any desire at all to do that kind of diving, this shot sums it up. The guy pictured is a good diver, very strong, but that’s after just 20 minutes of feeling on the bottom, dead blind, looking for the ‘body’.

A lot of great training occurred, it was cool, rainy and generally cruddy. We did have a few things pop up, like all the forms and stuff had best be done on “Write - in- rain” paper, but that’s a positive thing, to catch it in a training environment, and not the real deal.

Proud to be associated with these guys.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:13:04pm

re: #25 Reality Based Steve

yeppers.
Good “real life” conditions for that training exercise.
Because that’s most likely what they’ll have to deal with.

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stpaulbear  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:14:02pm

Sound Opinions (an NPR rock and roll program) just reviewed this Joanna Newsom album. One of the guys loved it and the other one hated it. I’m not saying which one I agreed with.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:15:08pm

re: #27 stpaulbear

My first reaction was to recoil from the sound, but it grew on me, as I took it more and more as an instrument.

EDIT: took her voice more and more as an instrument.

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:20:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:24:20pm

I love Joanna Newsom’s music and I’m not afraid to say it. There are too few unique true artists like her in this age of auto-tuned mediocrity.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:24:58pm

re: #6 bratwurst

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bratwurst  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:26:17pm

This used to be a respected publication I looked forward to reading.

Hurr hurr…get it? It’s red paint!

This is at least the second time they have tweeted out this story with that picture, btw.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:27:47pm

re: #32 bratwurst

This used to be a respected publication I looked forward to reading.

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The Atlantic has been getting very click-baity and stupid lately. Probably because their bottom line is plunging.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:28:22pm

oh good grief.
This is the GOP nominee for Kentucky governor.
Nothing like showing a united ticket…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:31:26pm

I just heard a character on one of those Sunday night PBS dramas say “you’ve made your bed, now lie on it.” Shouldn’t it be, “you’ve made your bed, so if you lie on it you’ll mess it up”?

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:32:03pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:34:26pm

re: #35 Barefoot Grin

I just heard a character on one of those Sunday night PBS dramas say “you’ve made your bed, now lie on it.” Shouldn’t it be, “you’ve made your bed, so if you lie on it you’ll mess it up”?

I thought it was “You’ve made your bed, now the cat will lie on it, and shed, and possibly cough up a hairball on the pillow”. But that just might be me.

RBS

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:35:29pm
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bratwurst  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:36:15pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The Atlantic has been getting very click-baity and stupid lately. Probably because their bottom line is plunging.

Well nothing boosts profits like some good old fashion menstruation humor!

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:38:13pm

re: #39 bratwurst

Well nothing boosts profits like some good old fashion menstruation humor!

It is a monthly isn’t it?

ok, I’ll be over here in the corner ashamed of myself.

RBS

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:39:41pm

re: #40 Reality Based Steve

It is a monthly isn’t it?

ok, I’ll be over here in the corner ashamed of myself.

RBS

I will not make a joke about the Atlantic being a rag.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:40:22pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.
This is the GOP nominee for Kentucky governor.
Nothing like showing a united ticket…

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Interesting article. The GOP candidate is FOR medical marijuana, the Dem against. Both in favor of some type of head-start / preschool and both acknowledging that the budget means that it can’t be as broad as they would like.

Can you give us more background on this race?

Thanks

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:41:02pm

And now it’s time to get down.

!!! (Chk Chk Chk) - “Slyd”

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:41:55pm

re: #41 Barefoot Grin

I will not make a joke about the Atlantic being a rag.

ROFL…

and… back into the corner I go.

RBS

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stpaulbear  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:42:01pm

re: #40 Reality Based Steve

It is a monthly isn’t it?

It’s a periodical.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:43:03pm

re: #36 gocart mozart

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Interesting. Trump tacked to the center on Social Security and Medicare. Not too surprising, as abolishing Medicare is quite unpopular.

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gocart mozart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:43:11pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:43:13pm

What is it with these high speed California freeway chases that go on for hours?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:43:36pm

re: #45 stpaulbear

It’s a periodical.

[rimshot]

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:45:10pm

re: #47 gocart mozart

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Driving through rural New Hampshire today—but I repeat myself—I noticed the high correlation of Trump signs to ramshackle houses with unkempt premises. He knows his base.

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WhatEVs  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:45:35pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

[rimshot]

Different orifice.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:46:45pm

re: #51 WhatEVs

Different orifice.

*WHACK!*

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WhatEVs  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:46:54pm

re: #50 Barefoot Grin

Driving through rural New Hampshire today—but I repeat myself—I noticed the high correlation of Trump signs to ramshackle houses with unkempt premises. He knows his base.

That’s what’s always worried me about Trump. The people who don’t normally vote getting out for their fav celeb. Scary stuff.

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WhatEVs  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:47:30pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

*WHACK!*

Just sayin’! :-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:48:07pm

re: #42 Reality Based Steve

Bevin supports the crazy lady Kim Davis, he’ll defund PP, get rid of Obamacare.
And that’s just for starters.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:50:53pm

OMGOMGOMG!!!!

Say it isn’t so!11!!!111 eleventy!!

(walking dead)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:53:21pm

I’m not even going to spoil it. Just the total oh fuck

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:53:31pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Well, it does take hours to get anywhere down in the SoCal area…

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:53:52pm

I will NOT click to reveal!!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:03pm

re: #56 sagehen

OMGOMGOMG!!!!

Say it isn’t so!11!!!111 eleventy!!

(walking dead)

Under the dumpster
But, Glenn does die in the comic, but in a different way

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:31pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart

spoiler that!!!!

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:41pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart

What??? I hope you didn’t just say Glenn died.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:54:42pm

re: #53 WhatEVs

That’s what’s always worried me about Trump. The people who don’t normally vote getting out for their fav celeb. Scary stuff.

I am fairly new to the area. I know that there is pretty good engagement at the local level, but I don’t know about national elections. I should say that my 14yo son wanted to go to a Trump event in Derry in August, so I took him. The crowd was rabid, but it was a mix of the camo crowd and the country-club libertarian. It skewed mostly older (thus the “don’t attack SS and Medicare). And white, but it’s New Hampshire. The anti-immigrant stuff got the biggest cheers. Surprise, surprise.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:55:22pm

There’s a reason we have a spoiler tag, folks. Just sayin’.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:55:31pm

This is your reminder that we do have spoiler tags and if you are unsure, erring on the side of caution is a great way to respect your fellow Lizards.

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:55:38pm

Damnit!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:57:16pm

re: #62 Jenner7

What??? I hope you didn’t just say Glenn died.

In the comic, but series doesn’t follow the comic completely
Hell, the baby died in the comic when the Governor attacked the prison

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:57:26pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

There’s a reason we have a spoiler tag, folks. Just sayin’.

Wow, thank dog. For a second I thought I had revealed something new about Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:57:40pm

I like this Jake Shimakuburo guy. Thanks for the video, Charles!

And I was already a Joanna Newsom fan. Her voice is more folk-music-y than pop music-y, and that’s OK with me.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:58:05pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

we have lots of freeways that intersect. that makes it easier to keep a chase going.

as long as you stay off the 405.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 6:59:57pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

What is it with these high speed California freeway chases that go on for hours?

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These high speed chases were few and far between until California passed the Three Strikes initiative in 1994. Since then they’ve become commonplace as people with two strikes already believe they have nothing left to lose…

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:01:04pm

I live in Mesa, Arizona, which is not Confederate country or the old South or even a border state. Guess what I saw in the Safeway parking lot this evening?

@#$#$#!$%#@ not in my state! You’re not fooling me.
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:01:10pm

re: #70 KGxvi

we have lots of freeways that intersect. that makes it easier to keep a chase going.

as long as you stay off the 405.

And never get on the MTA.

RBS

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:01:52pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Look, Carson has said a lot of crazy ass shit. But talking about the time that he nearly stabbed someone as a teenager, I’m not sure that falls into the same category. I might be biased because I had anger issues in my youth (in high school, I snapped one day in the weight room because of something someone said about a good friend of mine, I was in a rage and grabbed a five pound barbell weight to confront the person - had it not been because another friend stepped in front of me, I don’t know what would have happened), but I see this as something of a positive. He was able to change, move past whatever issues he had in his youth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:02:54pm

welp…not watching TalkingDead because they’ll have spoilers for next week.

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:03:52pm

I’m a little pissed..

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:05:13pm

re: #72 dholmes32

Confederate Arizona:

Confederate Arizona was a territory claimed by the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War, between 1861 and 1865. It consisted of the portion of the New Mexico Territory south of the 34th parallel north including parts of the modern states of New Mexico and Arizona. Its capital was Mesilla along the southern border. The Confederate territory overlapped the Arizona Territory created by the Union government in 1863, but the physical geography differed in that the Confederate Arizona Territory was approximately the southern half of the pre-existing New Mexico Territory, while the Union Arizona Territory was approximately the western half of what had been New Mexico Territory.

The territory was officially declared on August 1, 1861, following the Confederate victory at the Battle of Mesilla. Confederate hold in the area was soon broken, however, after the Battle of Glorieta Pass, the defining battle of the New Mexico Campaign. In July 1862, the government of the Confederate Territory of Arizona relocated to El Paso, Texas, then withdrew with the approach of Union troops to eastern Texas where it remained for the duration of the war. The territory continued to be represented in the Confederate Congress and Confederate troops continued to fight under the Arizona banner until the war’s end.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:05:24pm

re: #74 KGxvi

Yes, but he’s not talking about once. He’s talking about a pattern of action.

I will say my grandfather was a wonderful man, but he told me he had anger issues as a teen, and had left them behind as an adult.

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:09:08pm

Okay I have to ask. What happened to Gus?

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:09:40pm

re: #78 retired cynic

Anger issues are often a pattern of action for people. That’s especially true if you don’t have a means of channeling the anger and blowing off steam. Believe me, the story I mentioned above was probably me at my worst, but there were a few other times when I came close to doing very stupid things. Carson seems to be using those stories to show that he’s become a better person - and politics aside, perhaps he is - but I’d rather he show that he understands it was bad over, say Romney, who never admitted that strapping the dog to the top of the car was a terrible thing to do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:09:50pm

re: #72 dholmes32

Meanwhile here on the gulf coast, which IS former Confederate territory, I happened upon this:

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:11:10pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok, I’m willing to find common ground on the “watch for motorcycles” bit. And even on the POW/MIA thing. But the rest of it? Yeah, nope, sorry.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:11:37pm

re: #80 KGxvi

Or the young man he forced a haircut on, while in college.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:11:54pm

re: #82 KGxvi

Ok, I’m willing to find common ground on the “watch for motorcycles” bit. And even on the POW/MIA thing. But the rest of it? Yeah, nope, sorry.

Yeah, I also noticed how much of a mixed bag this one was.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:12:12pm

re: #72 dholmes32

I live in Mesa, Arizona, which is not Confederate country or the old South or even a border state. Guess what I saw in the Safeway parking lot this evening?

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There were a few identical trucks running around here in this part of NH after the Charleston massacre and subsequent anti-flag movement. Most of them have replaced the Confederate flag with the Gadsden (they probably had that attached before and temporarily replaced with the Con flag) and left the US flag. One guy still has the Confederate flag + US flag. Asshole.

Edited: I know this because there are basically two north-south roads in the area and so you tend to notice the same old pickup trucks with their flags o’ defiance.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:13:04pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

What is it with these high speed California freeway chases that go on for hours?

[Embedded content]

I can’t figure it either, because I’ve never been able to travel for more than 20 minutes on any freeway north of San Diego county without hitting traffic.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:13:37pm

re: #74 KGxvi

No doubt - a lot of people have had anger issues in their lives. But imagine what the right would be saying if Barack Obama had confessed to trying to stab people and attack them with hammers and baseball bats in his youth, instead of smoking pot.

The double standard is seriously glaring here.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:13:40pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

What are the Henry stickers about?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:15:09pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Meanwhile here on the gulf coast, which IS former Confederate territory, I happened upon this:

Embedded Image

If you can’t be bothered to put your confederate bumper sticker on straight you are not only celebrating a society based on slavery, but you’re also a careless idiot.

RBS

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:15:22pm

re: #88 KGxvi

What are the Henry stickers about?

Henry repeating rifles?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:16:11pm

re: #88 KGxvi

What are the Henry stickers about?

Gun manufacturer.

henryrifles.com

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thedopefishlives  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:16:12pm

re: #90 b.d.

Henry repeating rifles?

Yes. That appears to be the insignia of the Henry Repeating Arms Company.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:16:16pm

re: #88 KGxvi

What are the Henry stickers about?

OK, Now I see the answer posted right before me!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:16:54pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

Beat me by that much.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:17:40pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

The double standard is absolutely glaring, but that’s what the wingularity does. It’s the same reason Hillary is too old while Trump is in his prime (despite being older than she is). It’s also why Romney had a series of honest changes of heart on important issues while Kerry was a flip flopper.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:17:42pm

re: #94 thedopefishlives

Beat me by that much.

and b.d. beat both of us lol

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Kid A  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:18:30pm

I see yahoos like this every day here in Texas.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:19:01pm

re: #85 Barefoot Grin

There were a few identical trucks running around here in this part of NH after the Charleston massacre and subsequent anti-flag movement. Most of them have replaced the Confederate flag with the Gadsden (they probably had that attached before and temporarily replaced with the Con flag) and left the US flag. One guy still has the Confederate flag + US flag. Asshole.

I posted yesterday, here on the TN-KY boarder, we had about a dozen pickup trucks and cars all flying confederate flags, with an assortment of Gadsden, Molon Labe, III% Patriot flags thrown in diving down one of the main drags by the mall. What really bothered me was the number of people honking and giving thumbs up in support.

RBS

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thedopefishlives  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:19:17pm

re: #97 Kid A

Nobody said anything about taking anybody’s guns, dumbass. Although if you’re going to threaten to shoot people, maybe we should. Honestly, if you are the type of person who threatens to shoot people with your guns, you might be the type of person who shouldn’t be allowed to own them.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:20:41pm

re: #76 Jenner7

I watch AMC Live, because of the time difference.

It is a must.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:21:52pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

No doubt - a lot of people have had anger issues in their lives. But imagine what the right would be saying if Barack Obama had confessed to trying to stab people and attack them with hammers and baseball bats in his youth, instead of smoking pot.

The double standard is seriously glaring here.

quite honestly, I’m fully expecting somebody on the far right, white supremacist movement to make a “You can take the Doctor out of the Jungle, but you can’t take the Jungle out of the Doctor” type comment. (and it’s probably been made already, I’m just not going to go look for it.)

RBS

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:21:59pm

re: #77 Belafon

Confederate Arizona:

Of note is that the Battle of Glorieta Pass helped advance the career of the horrible John Chivington, due to his decisive actions during the battle. Chivington went on to disgrace himself by orchestrating the Sand Creek Massacre. Though he was not tried for the mass murder he organized, Chivington had to leave the army, and was met with a great deal of rejection for the rest of his days. It wasn’t enough of course, as he deserved execution.

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:22:14pm

re: #100 Stanley Sea Toujours

I don’t want to watch it now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:22:19pm
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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:23:14pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, no….

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:23:54pm

G’night guys. Have a good evening…

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:28:15pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The Atlantic has been getting very click-baity and stupid lately. Probably because their bottom line is plunging.

It didn’t help that they sold advertising that looked like a real article to Scientology. I know that turned a lot of people off. I was actually surprised at how many objected strenuously to what The Atlantic did. I have two decades of experience tangling with Scientology and I was just, “Meh, Scientology spending its money, meh.”

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:29:43pm

re: #98 Reality Based Steve

I posted yesterday, here on the TN-KY boarder, we had about a dozen pickup trucks and cars all flying confederate flags, with an assortment of Gadsden, Molon Labe, III% Patriot flags thrown in diving down one of the main drags by the mall. What really bothered me was the number of people honking and giving thumbs up in support.

RBS

I lived in Lexington for a couple of years and for the most part loved it. It is a varied and beautiful part of the country—Bluegrass to Berea and Appalachia to Harlan and coal. My favorite students came from the small towns. They were closeted critical thinkers. Through them I heard all about the inner workings of the insularity, the pill mills that hit that part of the country before it hit anywhere else, and above all their torn identity: their accents set them off as different from the kids who came from Louisville and Ohio private schools, but their intelligence and understanding of how hard life can be made them—often, not always—more interesting students.

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dholmes32  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:34:07pm

re: #77 Belafon

Yeah, it was part of the larger plan to extend slavery everywhere. But the Confederacy never had a government here and it’s bullshit. We have enough problems with racism without having that crap here. And the irony is, if a Mexican American rode around in a truck with a US flag on the right and a Mexican flag on the left, s/he might get shot at. And Arizona was a territory of Mexico until the completion of the Gadsden Purchase (yes, it’s a chunk of southern Arizona, not the entire state, but still).

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thedopefishlives  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:47:15pm

re: #109 dholmes32

Well, if you get technical about it, Arizona as a whole was Mexican territory before the US took it over. Thanks, Santa Anna!

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:51:36pm

Here is an absolutely insane video by Tommy E. and friends (Tommy Emmanuel, John Jorgenson, Pedro Javier González). Watch what happens at about the 4 minute mark, when Tommy turns around with a look on his face like “Ok boys, lets have some real fun now”. It’s just awesome, and I’m saying that as a total non-musician.

Tommy Emmanuel, John Jorgenson, Pedro Javier González - “Sultans of swing”

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:52:23pm

re: #109 dholmes32

Yeah, it was part of the larger plan to extend slavery everywhere. But the Confederacy never had a government here and it’s bullshit. We have enough problems with racism without having that crap here. And the irony is, if a Mexican American rode around in a truck with a US flag on the right and a Mexican flag on the left, s/he might get shot at. And Arizona was a territory of Mexico until the completion of the Gadsden Purchase (yes, it’s a chunk of southern Arizona, not the entire state, but still).

Worth it to note the Gadsden mentioned here is NOT the same Gadsden the flag is named after.

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ninja cat  Oct 25, 2015 • 7:53:09pm

TWD spoiler

Maybe I’m in denial but I just don’t think that Glenn is dead. Too low key for a major character. He looked too aware while having his entrails and what looked like a bone pulled out of him. I think that was Nicholas on top of him and he’ll walk out of there covered in gore. Since next week’s episode is 90 minutes, I bet they hold off showing his real fate til the last few minutes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:00:22pm

re: #79 Kid A

Okay I have to ask. What happened to Gus?

He’s still around on Twitter. I think he’s just been taking a break for a while.

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bratwurst  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:02:27pm

I have mentioned before that the individual behind the Richard Nixon Twitter account probably needs some type of psychological supervision, but a worthy Twitter follow anyway:

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:07:45pm

re: #98 Reality Based Steve

I posted yesterday, here on the TN-KY boarder, we had about a dozen pickup trucks and cars all flying confederate flags, with an assortment of Gadsden, Molon Labe, III% Patriot flags thrown in diving down one of the main drags by the mall. What really bothered me was the number of people honking and giving thumbs up in support.

RBS

The thing is, I’d flip them the double bird. And would probably be killed/beat.re: #113 ninja cat

I pray for this.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:09:37pm

You get my points

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:11:19pm

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He’s still around on Twitter. I think he’s just been taking a break for a while.

T0Kvpg10HdpTATDg0RhOkPO6Dv9A4LVGBBCJyIZcOJG+Na8sOWYz40EtIihm7QvsEth8mHy7YncfHBasOoNLB9bltuZfBEztRRRVyCRgqJ4d8z57iGmxiQ==

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:11:58pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

w+N04kIIGn25D53MOBh7GWggAHv+ySIJ2Bv52iONx4KC48CiLsK/WvuYT5lFNMVG2GIv/c1VMl7OP3m510MlXx/+72+07nwe4mJqxvu3PgbqhH4e/7EoKyHs5bGK3/z9

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:18:52pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:21:11pm

re: #120 jaunte

Another fucking school shooting. Fuck all.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:23:12pm

re: #28 retired cynic

My first reaction was to recoil from the sound, but it grew on me, as I took it more and more as an instrument.

EDIT: took her voice more and more as an instrument.

(Late to the party, but…)

I was a fan of her ‘Milk-Eyed Mender’ album, which was mostly just her voice and harp. She did some brilliant counterpoint stuff on the harp, even sort of a reggae tune with ‘The Book of Right On.’ Her voice has matured since then, but I still kind of like her without much instrumentation.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:27:37pm

Couple more California pictures from 1957. Just about done with the oldest slides in the collection.

Mendocino
Morro Rock
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:33:49pm

Well gang, I’m outta here for the evening. Think I will really enjoy my day off tomorrow, may go looking to see if I can find a router table I like. The problem is always the same, the ones I like I can’t afford, and the ones I can afford I’m not that impressed with.

Going back in the archives for tonight’s pic, it’s from a Celebrity Cruise (I think) ship I was on a few years back. No, I can’t explain it.

It’s a statute of a gorilla holding a cod-fish. Your argument is irrelevant

RBS

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:38:01pm

re: #122 makeitstop

(Late to the party, but…)

I was a fan of her ‘Milk-Eyed Mender’ album, which was mostly just her voice and harp. She did some brilliant counterpoint stuff on the harp, even sort of a reggae tune with ‘The Book of Right On.’ Her voice has matured since then, but I still kind of like her without much instrumentation.

Sometimes her voice sounds like a little girl’s. Other times like a grown woman’s. I like her, but I have to listen to her in small doses.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:40:12pm

Found an old skiing picture as well. :)

Snow in New Jersey in 1962
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:40:42pm

re: #113 ninja cat

TWD spoiler

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SPOILER

If Glenn is dead, I don’t know how Maggie goes on, she’s lost everybody. Heck, I don’t know how Carol didn’t eat a bullet after she had to kill the messed up kid.

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:43:03pm

re: #113 ninja cat

If they stick with the comic, this moment has been coming for a while

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:43:05pm

Chuck is having megalomaniac fantasies again.

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htmlmencken  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:43:31pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

Thanks! Happy to have finally created an account.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:44:43pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or has his beard spread across his entire lower head?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:46:27pm

Chuck was visiting the Norton Simon Museum today.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:46:51pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Chuck is having megalomaniac fantasies again.

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The only thing Chuckie has in a sling is his own ass.

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plansbandc  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:50:16pm

Wow! Fantastic music. She reminds me of Kate Bush. No, not the same voice, but the quirkiness and interesting rhythmic music. Very cool!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:50:30pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is it me, or has his beard spread across his entire lower head?

I was thinking the same thing. Someone teach that boy how to use a razor!

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The Ghost of the Beardsman  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:52:24pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

No doubt - a lot of people have had anger issues in their lives. But imagine what the right would be saying if Barack Obama had confessed to trying to stab people and attack them with hammers and baseball bats in his youth, instead of smoking pot.

The double standard is seriously glaring here.

I have an alternate proposal: Ben Carson is speaking in the argot of the religious far right…he often is. The rest of the audience isn’t viewing the statement through the same cultural filter, so they “read” it differently.

The “I was super bad, did something truly terrible, then found God and became a good person who achieved things” is a boilerplate evangelical rhetorical structure: you get versions involving drink, drugs, sex, violence, or usually a mix of all four. The point of the form is that the depth of depravity illustrates the potency of getting saved. It used to be you were testifying to this in front of the altar on Sunday—my mom talks about watching this as a child—but it’s been scaled up for the televangelists (and successor megachurches with internet reach).

(The “big fall, big rise” aspect of the form also means that the performance of testimonial lends itself to exaggeration, if not fabrication. You get a better response, and bigger approval, the worse things were.

ETA: The double standard is also a built-in aspect of the form. Past bad behavior is only solved by being washed away by faith. If you just fixed yourself, you’re suspect, because this is about sin a supernatural pollutant, not bad behavior as a psychological or cultural phenomenon.)

Whether or not it’s enough to get him a nomination, by talking the talking, Dr Carson is ritually performing his membership in conservative, politicized Christianity…actually, it’s a direct complement of how Trump is performing populism and nativism. This benefits him twice over. Once, in that they will pay and pay and pay to have people with status assert that only the wingnut faithful are Good Christians, morally pure, etc. Second, he’s successfully courted the Religious Right, which is a solid, consistent bloc (of rubes) that will spend and vote with lock-step unity.

Is he really aiming to be elected, or boosting his profile as a pundit/seller of books/speaker? How could we tell theses days? The levels of deceit are so many and so fine.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:52:27pm

Wilco’s album Sky Blue Sky is gorgeous. That’s all I have to say about that.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:53:26pm

Chuck thinks he’s David in the David and Goliath story. What a head case.

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jaunte  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:55:23pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:57:14pm

re: #139 jaunte

Nobody died. That’s a relief.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 8:59:51pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks he’s David in the David and Goliath story. What a head case.

More like the guy Goliath stomped on his way to fight David.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:11:38pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

CCJ is pointing to the poo David stepped in (provided by his ancestor Jebediah Johnson).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:24:04pm

If Chuck expects to take down Goliath/Gawker, he’s going to need a new weapons master. The legal stones he’s been slinging aren’t doing the job.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:37:16pm

If that was Chuck with the sword in that painting, he’d probably just slice off his own foot.

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:39:26pm

OMG!!!

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ipsos  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:40:38pm

re: #144 makeitstop

If that was Chuck with the sword in that painting, he’d probably just slice off his own foot.

Foot? Or some other part of his anatomy? (Albeit one so small that he’d probably miss it trying.)

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Great White Snark  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:47:31pm

A little something for the overnight crew to enjoy before I turn in.

Video

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Lidane  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:50:06pm

Re: The Walking Dead

All I have to say about that episode is one word:

Negan

That is all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:52:04pm

The remnants of Patricia have kicked up some wind and rain here. Tornado watch in effect for the next 2 hours. Good thoughts appreciated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2015 • 9:52:48pm

This area isn’t usually too terrible tornado prone, but we do get the odd one here and there.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2015 • 10:39:14pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:00:53am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:17:43am

re: #110 thedopefishlives

Well, if you get technical about it, Arizona as a whole was Mexican territory before the US took it over. Thanks, Santa Anna!

Arizona was overrun by immigrants from the rest of the USA starting with the advent of air conditioning, a lot of them came from the south and brought their redneck bigotry with them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:19:34am

re: #27 stpaulbear

Sound Opinions (an NPR rock and roll program) just reviewed this Joanna Newsom album. One of the guys loved it and the other one hated it. I’m not saying which one I agreed with.

I have been exposed to her, as she is a graduate of Mills College, of which my girlfriend is an alumnus. Not music I would ever listen to on my own, but I have grown to tolerate it along with her taste for quirky indie music (still better than top 40 drivel).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:20:31am

re: #24 gocart mozart

Trump will soon be an 8th Day Adventist because it’s better, it goes to eight.

Ben Carson is playing to the religious right fundies: he knows this will go down well in the Midwest, where they see Trump as someone who made his fortunes on gambling, boozing and whoremongering.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:28:32am

re: #77 Belafon

Confederate Arizona:

You failed to mention the battle of Picacho Peak, in which Northern forces, headquartered in Prescott, AZ, encountered Southern forces headquartered in Tucson at a key pass between Tucson and Phoenix.

It is one of the few Civil War battles that can be reenacted 1:1, as it involved thirteen Federal troops and nine Confederates.

In fact, things have grown out of hand, according to the Wiki article:

“The re-enactments now have grown so large that many more participants tend to be involved than took part in the actual engagements, and include infantry units and artillery as well as cavalry.”

Especially when Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson appear in the flank…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 12:55:03am

re: #152 Ace-o-aces

Sarah Palin would crush Hillary Clinton

Sarah Palin would take four shots at Hillary, missing each one, and have to get her dad to finish her off…

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Lani  Oct 26, 2015 • 2:54:21am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Not an alien. He is simply the god of ukulele.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 3:10:20am

re: #158 Lani

Not an alien. He is simply the god of ukulele.

Anyone from Hawaii must be some sort of alien, like our President.

/

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Lani  Oct 26, 2015 • 3:28:45am

Point taken. /

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Joe Bacon  Oct 26, 2015 • 4:58:55am

re: #152 Ace-o-aces

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Yes, lets see Bible Spice vs. Hillary.

Hillary will put Bible Spice in a meat grinder!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 5:45:06am

*SHEESH*
I made some Twitter memes that Hillary kicked ass at the Benghazi hearing, and some Bernie supporters are dumping shit in my mentions.

Look guys I like Bernie, but you suck.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 26, 2015 • 5:46:56am

Good Morning. Ready for Halloween this week.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 5:55:52am

7.5 magnitude earthquake kills more than 90 in India, Afghanistan and Pakistan— BBC live feed
bbc.com

Reports are now coming in, so the death toll may rise.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:00:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:01:19am

Just imagine how the president feels having to deal with you guys, Rubio.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:03:30am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Meat processors are going to fight that report, for sure. WHO’s study also implicates beef as a cancer agent.

Considering the additives put into processed meats, it’s not very surprising there might be a connection between eating them and getting cancer, but I’m skeptical of most reports that say if this, then that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:05:36am

Afghan news presenter was on the air when the quake hit. Video footage here just before the network lost power.

facebook.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:11:13am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just imagine how the president feels having to deal with you guys, Rubio.

Wasn’t one of the favorite talking points of the GOP and wingnuts that the President missed so many votes as a Senator because he was out campaigning?

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:13:33am

Yet another reason to laugh at Ohio.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:16:07am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:16:42am

From behind the subscription only firewall at the Wash Post:

Hard-right members of the House’s Freedom Caucus faction were once the toast of Republican Party’s grass roots. But after supporting Paul Ryan’s bid for speaker, they may not be conservative enough for some in the party.

There follows some examples of irate wingnuts barking at Freedom Caucus wingnuts for supporting fellow wingnut Paul Ryan thereby proving their failure to properly uphold true patriot conservative wingnutty standards.

Sheesh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:17:03am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

A small loan — makes Mitt’s $20,000 look paltry in comparison.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:17:15am

re: #170 darthstar

Yet another reason to laugh at Ohio.

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WTF? That’s Gus Frerotte stupid:
Gus Frerotte Headbutts Wall

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:17:59am

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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CleverToad  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:18:53am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

My, what an adult and responsible response to frustration! “I don’t like the way this project is going so I’m going to sit on the sidelines and carp about it. I’ll still collect my salary, of course.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:18:57am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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They pulled this shit back in 2000, and gave us 8 years of Dubya. But they’re too fucked in the head to realize that.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:19:33am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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Is Bernie “the only man that can save America” a la Ron Paul?

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:19:35am
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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:21:47am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Is Bernie “the only man that can save America” a la Ron Paul?

A Daily Kos diary was titled something like “Bernie will run on principles, not polls.” I didn’t bother reading it. All I could think was I guess he doesn’t want to get anything done.

The irony is that this is polling well among his followers, and Bernie knows it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:22:35am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Is Bernie “the only man that can save America” a la Ron Paul?

I am pretty sure that Bernie will support Hillary if/when she gets the nomination, let’s just hope he can break through to some of his concrete-headed fanboys.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:23:45am

I’m still leaning to Bernie although I was really impressed by Hillary at the debate and the ass-kicking she laid on the Benghazi witch hunters.

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b.d.  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:24:41am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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Ask them, specifically, what part of the TPP they don’t like.

The details of the deal haven’t even been released yet?

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Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:25:11am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

I am pretty sure that Bernie will support Hillary if/when she gets the nomination, let’s just hope he can break through to some of his concrete-headed fanboys.

Oh God, if he does endorse her, the screeching from the emoprogs will be biblical.

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b.d.  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:25:33am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

I am pretty sure that Bernie will support Hillary if/when she gets the nomination, let’s just hope he can break through to some of his concrete-headed fanboys.

The worst part of the Sanders campaign are his supporters.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:26:15am

re: #183 b.d.

Ask them, specifically, what part of the TPP they don’t like.

The details of the deal haven’t even been released yet?

Getting along with other countries. Jobs being moved abroad. Obama likes it. Those are just a few reasons. The last is probably the most important for them.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:31:11am

re: #170 darthstar

At least he didn’t attempt to tackle the cheerleader.

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:31:20am

re: #183 b.d.

Ask them, specifically, what part of the TPP they don’t like.

The details of the deal haven’t even been released yet?

It’s the Trans- part. I’m okay with the gays marrying, but this is going too far. Why can’t it be a Christian Pacific Partnership?

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:32:19am

re: #187 lawhawk

At least he didn’t attempt to tackle the cheerleader.

She could have grabbed his arm and stopped him from jogging into the wall. That would have been even more hilarious (and humiliating).

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:33:26am

HURR HURR DONALD TRUMP MADE A SUCCESS OUT OF A MILLION DOLLAR LOAN!!!!! LET’S SEE U DO THAT LIBTARDS!!!!!

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:33:43am

re: #184 Targetpractice

Oh God, if he does endorse her, the screeching from the emoprogs will be biblical.

He will endorser her in the end though. He’s not the same kind of scum that was Nader - who’s ego is really second only to Trump’s.

He wants the campaigns ideas to change and I think if he can make Hillary move back to at least the center if not further left, he’ll consider that a victory.

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:35:11am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DONALD TRUMP MADE A SUCCESS OUT OF A MILLION DOLLAR LOAN!!!!! LET’S SEE U DO THAT LIBTARDS!!!!!

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And goes bankrupt how many times in an industry (gambling) that is a license to print money because American’s are too innumerate to know how utterly the House is favored?

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Joe Bacon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:35:47am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My Dad once loaned me $500. Unlike Trump, I paid Dad’s loan back with an extra $250 as a thank you…

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:37:09am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Trump would have been better off had he done absolutely nothing with his dad’s inheritance and put it into the S&P 500 index fund. The $200 million he started out with would have grown to $8 billion today with dividends and reinvestments. He’s worth less than half that amount by most sources.

Oh, and there’s this nugget too:

Co­in­cid­ent­ally, there was a self-made busi­ness­man who was also worth about $40 mil­lion in 1974: War­ren Buf­fett. Had Trump al­lowed Buf­fett to man­age his for­tune, too, Trump might also be worth what Buffett is today: about $67 bil­lion—or about 22 times bet­ter than what the stock mar­ket would have produced.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:38:55am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DONALD TRUMP MADE A SUCCESS OUT OF A MILLION DOLLAR LOAN!!!!! LET’S SEE U DO THAT LIBTARDS!!!!!

How long before God Bless The USA moves on to the newest flavor of the month in Carly Fiorina Ben Carson?

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:39:33am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

*SHEESH*
I made some Twitter memes that Hillary kicked ass at the Benghazi hearing, and some Bernie supporters are dumping shit in my mentions.

Look guys I like Bernie, but you suck.

Ditto. I am tired of Bernie’s supporters. I like him, too, but man, his followers. Sheesh.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:40:43am

As reports come in from more remote areas, the death toll is likely to climb higher.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:41:09am

re: #196 WhatEVs

Ditto. I am tired of Bernie’s supporters. I like him, too, but man, his followers. Sheesh.

They really do hurt his cause. I admire their enthaisum but they are really dismissive of anyone who isn’t Bernie and that’s crap. The liberal movement in this country is bigger than one man.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:42:36am

re: #172 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

From behind the subscription only firewall at the Wash Post:

There follows some examples of irate wingnuts barking at Freedom Caucus wingnuts for supporting fellow wingnut Paul Ryan thereby proving their failure to properly uphold true patriot conservative wingnutty standards.

Sheesh.

I wonder if something like this will wake up the Freedumb Caucus so they realize that there is no radicalization too far for their supporters…that they will open their eyes and see what has been going on?

Who am I kidding?

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:42:57am

re: #199 WhatEVs

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:43:57am

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks he’s David in the David and Goliath story. What a head case.

In reality, UpChuck is more like a Persian slinger at Platea: Flinging his stones uselessly against the shields of the Greek hoplites until they reach him and spear him like a fish.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:44:02am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:44:05am

re: #199 WhatEVs

I wonder if something like this will wake up the Freedumb Caucus so they realize that there is no radicalization too far for their supporters…that they will open their eyes and see what has been going on?

Who am I kidding?

They’ll “open” their eyes when they’re out of Congress if at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:45:29am

re: #202 WhatEVs

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Then you have no room at all to bitch when Republican policies fuck the rest of us over. I swear I know alot of Bernie’s diehards are kids who don’t remember the 2000 election but damn. You’d think they’d see what’s at least going on in GOP controlled legislatures and realize a GOP president would be a national version of thta.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:47:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:48:14am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

The only thing UpChuck is flinging is his own feces, like some sort of utterly deranged rhesus monkey.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:49:52am

Meanwhile, with the Benghazi hearings collapsing on itself in monumental derp (while right wingers still think that they’ve got Hillary right where they want her), the IRS “scandal” dispensed with as the DOJ wont bring charges against Lerner, and the GOP remains committed to repealing Obamacare even though it’s brought down the uninsured rates nationally and millions of people now have insurance that they didn’t have previously, they think that they’ve found a new issue: gun control.

Take it away former convicted felon (since overturned on appeal) Tom DeLay:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:50:01am

re: #191 William Lewis

I hope eventually, Hillary gives Bernie a job in her cabinet.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:52:19am

re: #196 WhatEVs

Ditto. I am tired of Bernie’s supporters. I like him, too, but man, his followers. Sheesh.

Hillary Clinton has haters in the Democratic Party, which shouldn’t be a surprise. You can’t be in politics as long as she has been and not have ticked off people in your own party.

That both Bill and Hillary Clinton tack towards the center at times was bound to anger the “PURITY NOW!!1” crowd. That crowd is less numerous and less noisy at present in the Democratic Party than in the Republican Party, but they do exist in modest numbers in the Democratic ranks and they don’t like the Clintons. Sanders offers them the purity they crave, so they’ll support him loudly and fling mud at Hillary Clinton.

And no, its not rational. But that’s The Way It Is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:52:25am
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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:53:42am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

I’m still leaning to Bernie although I was really impressed by Hillary at the debate and the ass-kicking she laid on the Benghazi witch hunters.

I like Bernie a lot, but I have concerns:

1. He can’t make it through the general. The thought of seeing a thousand OMG!! SOCIALIST!! commercials would wear on anyone.

2. His heart is in the right place but after the debate, he really didn’t know a lot of things. His foreign policy knowledge and understanding was close to abysmal.

3. I don’t see how you implement a lot of what he is talking about. I agree completely (like 100% completely) about salary and CEO pay, but how do you legislate that? And how do you legislate it with Republicans?

4. His ideas on guns are going to hurt him with dems. It puts him against practically the entire party.

And those are just off the top of my head.

I used to listen to Bernie on Thom Hartmann’s show all the time. I agree with him more than I disagree. I guess I am a socialist, too, because I believe in people and safety nets and America and the potential for our country.

And his followers are obnoxious. I can’t stand that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:56:34am

re: #207 lawhawk

Meanwhile, with the Benghazi hearings collapsing on itself in monumental derp (while right wingers still think that they’ve got Hillary right where they want her), the IRS “scandal” dispensed with as the DOJ wont bring charges against Lerner, and the GOP remains committed to repealing Obamacare even though it’s brought down the uninsured rates nationally and millions of people now have insurance that they didn’t have previously, they think that they’ve found a new issue: gun control.

Take it away former convicted felon (since overturned on appeal) Tom DeLay:

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Sorry Tom, you don’t get to impeach over policy differences, you pahetic hack.

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:56:39am

Beau all along thought that I should run and I could win. But there was not what was sort of made out as kind of this Hollywood-esque thing that at the last minute Beau grabbed my hand and said, “Dad, you’ve got to run, like, win one for the Gipper.” It wasn’t anything like that.

According to our Uncle Joe-to-Wonkette dictionary, that’s Bidense for, “Fuck you, you stupid twat, how dare you make up some Lifetime special version of my son’s dying wish, just so you could troll Hillary Clinton, GAHHHHH EAT A DICK.”
Read more at wonkette.com

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:56:59am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DONALD TRUMP MADE A SUCCESS OUT OF A MILLION DOLLAR LOAN!!!!! LET’S SEE U DO THAT LIBTARDS!!!!!

For everyone who is whining abt the $1m loan trump was given. U try turning that into a multi billion $ company!!! #tcot #TrumpTODAY

This is the Joe The Plumber syndrome. These people feel that they will be the next Donald (or Mitt or whomever). That they never will be doesn’t play in their minds…they ARE going to be the next Rich Dude so in the meantime they are going to vote for the Rich Dude who blowhards as much as they want to. They want to be the rich asshole with no conscience figuring they are already the asshole with no conscience, rich is the next step.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:57:25am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:57:48am

re: #211 WhatEVs

His foreign policy knowledge and understanding was close to abysmal.

That is my dad’s biggest concern about him.

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:57:54am

re: #208 GlutenFreeJesus

I hope eventually, Hillary gives Bernie a job in her cabinet.

Something to do with either labor or economic policy - and then listening to him - would be good. Perhaps similar to how Robert Reich got the family medical leave act through under slick Willy?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:58:08am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

This kind of butthurt temper tantrum is what loses an election==>

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The “Bull Moose” image is an allusion to Teddy Roosevelt 3rd party run in 1912, which handed Woodrow Wilson the presidency.

These days the bull moose would inspire some jokes about the Palin family’s recipe for moose chili (which they do actually have).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:58:46am

re: #217 William Lewis

Something to do with either labor or economic policy - and then listening to him - would be good. Perhaps similar to how Robert Reich got the family medical leave act through under slick Willy?

I actually like that idea a lot.

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 6:59:13am

re: #208 GlutenFreeJesus

I hope eventually, Hillary gives Bernie a job in her cabinet.

Wouldn’t it be better to have him in the Senate with Warren?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:00:06am

re: #211 WhatEVs

Sanders isn’t a “gun guy”, but neither is he going to get on board with anti-gun sentiment, simply because the people of his state don’t want a senator who talks and votes that way.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:00:31am

re: #216 Belafon

That is my dad’s biggest concern about him.

It’s a fair concern. I also think I am in the weird position of being to Clinton’s left on FP but to Sanders’ right. In otherwords, I’m gonna piss off a lot of people. But yeah he strikes me as a guy knowledgeable about problems that do exist in our society but I think he needs to do his FP homework.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:01:16am

re: #217 William Lewis

Yes. My thinking exactly.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:01:18am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

They really do hurt his cause. I admire their enthaisum but they are really dismissive of anyone who isn’t Bernie and that’s crap. The liberal movement in this country is bigger than one man.

This is the latest Bernie people are tweeting. No, it doesn’t make sense. At all. But I had this sent to me and have seen it several times now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:01:46am

re: #220 Belafon

If we win back congress…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:02:48am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Sanders isn’t a “gun guy”, but neither is going to get on board with anti-gun sentiment, simply because the people of his state don’t want a senator who talks and votes that way.

No offense but what you call anti-gun, a lot of us call common sense. And frankly it’s not as if this is all vaccum. Guns bought in Vermont can be used to commit crimes in say Massachusetts. Just like a lot of guns bought in Virginia are used in D.C and New York.

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Targetpractice  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:02:49am

re: #224 WhatEVs

This is the latest Bernie people are tweeting. No, it doesn’t make sense. At all. But I had this sent to me and have seen it several times now.

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Larry who?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:04:01am

re: #220 Belafon

Wouldn’t it be better to have him in the Senate with Warren?

I think that depends. We do need strong legislators which is why I think Warren needs to stay in the Senate but Hillary would definitely need some good help or her cabinet as well and frankly it’s high time this country move to the left on labor and economic policy.

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:05:38am

re: #227 Targetpractice

Larry who?

A single issue candidate - his pet issue is campaign finance and election reform. He does not care about anything else and really is an absolutist about his positions.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:07:47am

Anyhow as with most of the cabinet, most of them won’t be legislators. I always see dream cabinets devised by junkies of both ideologies and parties and more often than not, the cabinets are filled with former and current elected officials. I don’t blame them. We don’t know the behind the scenes policy guys by name.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:08:32am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Trump Truthiness. It burns.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:10:45am

re: #231 WhatEVs

Trump Truthiness. It burns.

There is this VOTE 4 TRUMP Twitter account that tweets in ALL CAPS and posts stupid shit like
HURR HURR HEAR IS A HOT PHOTO OF MELANIA WEARING A THONG WITH BILLS OF MONEYS IN HER CROTCH HUBBA HUBBA FIRST LADY!!!!!

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:11:04am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Sanders isn’t a “gun guy”, but neither is going to get on board with anti-gun sentiment, simply because the people of his state don’t want a senator who talks and votes that way.

We’re not talking Vermont. We’re talking the USA.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:11:48am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

It’s a fair concern. I also think I am in the weird position of being to Clinton’s left on FP but to Sanders’ right. In otherwords, I’m gonna piss off a lot of people. But yeah he strikes me as a guy knowledgeable about problems that do exist in our society but I think he needs to do his FP homework.

I think you and I exist in the same place. I don’t want another war, but I also don’t want rose colored glasses.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:12:05am

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

There is this VOTE 4 TRUMP Twitter account that tweets in ALL CAPS and posts stupid shit like
HURR HURR HEAR IS A HOT PHOTO OF MELANIA WEARING A THONG WITH BILLS OF MONEYS IN HER CROTCH HUBBA HUBBA FIRST LADY!!!!!

Is that the tool who thinks comparing Trump to Don Corleone makes him look good or is this another moron? And they have the nerve to say Michelle lacks class. I can’t imagne the reaction if a prospective Dem first lady ever dressed like Melania or had a husband lke Trump who openly lusted for his own daughter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:13:14am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Is that the tool who thinks comparing Trump to Don Corleone makes him look good or is this another moron? And they have the nerve to say Michelle lacks class. I can’t imagne the reaction if a prospective Dem first lady ever dressed like Melania or had a husband lke Trump who openly lusted for his own daughter.

I think that is the same one.

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darthstar  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:13:21am

re: #231 WhatEVs

Trump Truthiness. It burns.

I think the GOP is in deeper shit than they think with Trump. I heard him the other day being asked if he was divisive. He said, Yes, of course I’m divisive! I’m trying to win the primary! (or words to that effect

In other words, it’s all an act, as I’ve said from the get go. It’s not the standard act that Bush and Rubio are putting on (theirs is equally bullshit), and that’s why he’s winning. He’s fracking the Republicans and sucking votes out of their base.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:13:23am

re: #213 darthstar

Why ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE would believe Maureen Freaking Dowd’s version of anything baffles me. She hates Democrats, and anything related to the Clintons, even remotely sets her off.( I personally think she has issues because Bill never played grab ass with her.) I knew this bullshit story of hers was bullshit, I just wish Joe had addressed it before now. I can’t believe the woman has a job, she’s a shitty writer and most of what she writes gets proven to be crap once any scrutiny is applied to it. She’s not part of the “liberal media”, not even close.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:13:38am

re: #227 Targetpractice

Larry who?

I had to Google him. He’s got a very impressive resume but no experience governing. To me, he is no different than Trump or Carson.

As a Democrat, I say no. I don’t want someone with no experience on my side any more than I do on the other side.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:14:05am

re: #233 WhatEVs

We’re not talking Vermont. We’re talking the USA.

Precisely and I’m sorry but I can’t get behind the state thing. National policy that he was voting on effects everyone. I could understand it if it were his state legislature record. Anyhow, this gets at my problem with 10th amendment aboslutists. Our states are not mini countries but rather they are all interconnected. With the exception of Hawaii and Alaska, they all share some border.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:15:50am

re: #234 WhatEVs

I think you and I exist in the same place. I don’t want another war, but I also don’t want rose colored glasses.

Yeah I think we are too. I can’t really escribe who fits what this for me on FP but I want a leader who has the wisdom not see war as the first answer and values diplomacy but is also not overtly naive and is knowledgeable. One thing that had attracted me to Biden as a prospective candidate is his great understanding of FP.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:16:00am

re: #239 WhatEVs

Lessig is a law professor, who’s got some interesting views, particularly about election and campaign finance reform. But that’s the sum and substance of his platform. He has no support. At all. Gadflies have more support than he does.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:18:47am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

*SHEESH*
I made some Twitter memes that Hillary kicked ass at the Benghazi hearing, and some Bernie supporters are dumping shit in my mentions.

Look guys I like Bernie, but you suck.

If you have to reduce this to Bernie vs Hillary, then you are totally politically myopic: The current struggle is more like the GOP vs. all the gains our society has made in personal, women’s LGBT and minority rights over the past 50 years.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:19:24am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Getting along with other countries. Jobs being moved abroad. Obama likes it. Those are just a few reasons. The last is probably the most important for them.

The main reason I don’t like it? The Investor-State Dispute Settlement mechanism.

That mechanism means that if a company decides that a nation’s laws interfere with their profit making and if the arbitration board finds in favour of the corporation, which they almost certainly will, the nation’s law is null and void. Plus the country, that is its taxpayers, will have to cough up what the board decides are lost profits.

In short the sovereignty of nations is being undermined to promote the bottom line of international corporations.

Which, as I’ve noted before, is the real purpose of ‘free trade’ deals. They are only called ‘free trade’ deals to tilt the debate in their favour because only commie assholes can be against ‘free trade’. If they were called ‘corporate power’ deals there’d be a lot more blowback.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:19:55am

Matt Bevin is desperate:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:22:01am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DONALD TRUMP MADE A SUCCESS OUT OF A MILLION DOLLAR LOAN!!!!! LET’S SEE U DO THAT LIBTARDS!!!!!

The Donald might be worth twice what he is worth now, but think what his public notoriety is worth in terms of free publicity for his presidential campaign.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:22:21am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

No offense but what you call anti-gun, a lot of us call common sense. And frankly it’s not as if this is all vacuum. Guns bought in Vermont can be used to commit crimes in say Massachusetts. Just like a lot of guns bought in Virginia are used in D.C and New York.

Here’s the thing: Vermont voters aren’t willing to suffer to stop gang killings in Boston, in the same way rural Illinois voters aren’t willing to accept restrictions over gang killings in Chicago.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:23:19am

Dim Jim, working hard to keep the crown of SMOTI==>

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:24:41am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Here’s the thing: Vermont voters aren’t willing to suffer to stop gang killings in Boston, in the same way rural Illinois voters aren’t willing to accept restrictions over gang killings in Chicago.

Well that’s their problem not mine frankly and it’s selfish. Things like background checks and policies that ensure that guns don’t get into someone mentally disabled aren’t infringing on their liberty. And I’m sorry but I take this very personally as someone who lost a loved one due to gun violence.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:25:13am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:25:27am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim, working hard to keep the crown of SMOTI==>

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Derpoing moron.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:26:12am

re: #214 WhatEVs

This is the Joe The Plumber syndrome. These people feel that they will be the next Donald (or Mitt or whomever). That they never will be doesn’t play in their minds…they ARE going to be the next Rich Dude so in the meantime they are going to vote for the Rich Dude who blowhards as much as they want to. They want to be the rich asshole with no conscience figuring they are already the asshole with no conscience, rich is the next step.

As Steinbeck noted, “There are no poor in America. Just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” Or something to that effect.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:26:21am

re: #250 lawhawk

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I like how he acts like a million dollar loan is nothing. Not to mention he would have had his father’s connections as well. It’s not just money, it’s people too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:27:30am
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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:27:30am

re: #237 darthstar

I think the GOP is in deeper shit than they think with Trump. I heard him the other day being asked if he was divisive. He said, Yes, of course I’m divisive! I’m trying to win the primary! (or words to that effect

In other words, it’s all an act, as I’ve said from the get go. It’s not the standard act that Bush and Rubio are putting on (theirs is equally bullshit), and that’s why he’s winning. He’s fracking the Republicans and sucking votes out of their base.

That he did a complete pivot from GOP standard fare (supporting Social Security and Medicare - and having made noises about all American’s having healthcare) and is fully accepted by the right…he’s an interesting character.

There are times I feel he would be less awful to the country as a whole than the others (Carson the religious fascist or Rubio, et al [since they really are all the same] who want some weird Ayn Rand capitalistic utopia that exists only in their mind - well that and to screw over as many Americans as possible)…except for how he would deal with foreign policy. That scares the shit out of me

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:27:55am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim:

Obamanomics in Action: 1 in 2 Working Americans Make Less Than $30,000 a Year

Normal person:

Raise the minimum wage

Wingnut:

And lose all the jobs and reward all the lazies who didn’t go to college and why don’t they just increase thare skills or change jobs if they want more money?!!?!?!

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:27:59am

If only there were a good guy with a gun…

Murder/suicide. The son killed the mother at an assisted living facility, then turned the gun on himself.

Sad, horrible, and tragic.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:28:28am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

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I wasn’t aware of his position on war crimes. Holy fuck.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:29:08am

re: #237 darthstar

He’s fracking the Republicans and sucking votes out of their base.

Upding for that one-liner.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:29:46am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you have to reduce this to Bernie vs Hillary, then you are totally politically myopic: The current struggle is more like the GOP vs. all the gains our society has made in personal, women’s LGBT and minority rights over the past 50 years.

Boy do we need to express that every single day from now until election day. A+!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:30:31am

*FACE PALM*

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:31:36am

re: #260 WhatEVs

Boy do we need to express that every single day from now until election day. A+!

We really do. I think sadly many progressive voters suffer from the same mindset albeit for perhaps different reasons than the conservatives. I’m fond of saying that many voters don’t shit for granted that previous generations fought for. There’s so much that we enjoy that was hard fought for and that the Republican party/right wing would get rid of if they had the votes to do it.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:31:49am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Well that’s their problem not mine frankly and it’s selfish. Things like background checks and policies that ensure that guns don’t get into someone mentally disabled aren’t infringing on their liberty. And I’m sorry but I take this very personally as someone who lost a loved one due to gun violence.

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found. But it isn’t since even if such laws passed the next time some nut popped off and went on a rampage there’d be a fresh cry of “Do Something!” and more restrictions would be proposed.

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:32:08am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

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Gee, if it’s that easy, maybe you should run for office Bry or maybe if you did, your love slave would come out and tell the world about how you like it rough.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:32:50am

Jeebus he is stupid

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:33:18am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t aware of his position on war crimes. Holy fuck.

“We have to win”

Fer fuck’s sake, does this fellow not understand that our real work only begins once the war is over?

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:33:33am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

I COULD balance my budget by refusing to pay for things I owe, but other people sure would be pissed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:33:50am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found. But it isn’t since even if such laws passed the next time some nut popped off and went on a rampage there’d be a fresh cry of “Do Something!” and more restrictions would be proposed.

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

Bullshit, your party’s in bed with the gun lobby and that’s why there’s no compromise to be found. They don’t care about children who get killed because they’d rather coddle the gun lobby and tell them that guns are never the problem. And frankly I think you’re only anti-gun control because it’s the party line. If the GOP platform were sympathetic towards gun control, you’d favor it. And it’s more than just some nut. It’s little kids accidently shooting their siblings and relatives.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:35:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:36:39am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

Because their ultimate goal is to take away our guns and impose a secularist-Islamist dictatorship?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:37:47am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because their ultimate goal is to take away our guns and impose a secularist-Islamist dictatorship?

Good luck actually getting a straight answer. I really feel he’s only anti-gun control because of party not because of real principle. Harsh I know but maybe if he knew the tragedy of losing a relative to a gun, he’d understand why some of us aren’t exactly in love with the goddamned things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:37:57am

re: #269 lawhawk

Up to 10,000 stolen guns, 500 chainsaws found in South Carolina home of alleged drug dealer

How come no libruls is callin’ for chainsaw control?!?

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:39:58am

re: #269 lawhawk

That picture shows long guns, too. The last one was just a room full of pistols. The man is definitely ill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:40:00am

DF- your party whenever a tragedy and I should say every day occurence since these happen so often now it’s not even funny, your party’s cadres are on the news blaming everything from the lack of school prayer to homosexuality on gun violence. Why don’t you guys man up and actually admit that maybe just maybe guns being a little to easy to access is part of the problem? You act like the proposed legislation is being proposed in response to “outliers.” But these aren’t outliers. There have been several school shootings since Sandy Hook.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:40:17am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found. But it isn’t since even if such laws passed the next time some nut popped off and went on a rampage there’d be a fresh cry of “Do Something!” and more restrictions would be proposed.

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

Yes! The tree of liberty must be watered with blood!

Sorry, D_F. But that is what the wingnuts are saying and you’re going along with it.

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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:41:25am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you have to reduce this to Bernie vs Hillary, then you are totally politically myopic: The current struggle is more like the GOP vs. all the gains our society has made in personal, women’s LGBT and minority rights over the past 50 years.

110 years, more like.

See: Social Security, National Parks and FDA.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:41:41am

re: #244 Romantic Heretic

Another step toward the dystopian future predicted in so many SF novels — corporations run the show, and governments are merely their pawns.

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:42:28am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

Because, throughout the history of the US, there’s been an attempt by liberals to ban all guns. //

Sorry, but even those who want severe restrictions realize that there’s this thing called the second amendment. But, since even the first amendment has limitations, there can be constraints placed on the second.

You do realize that an all or nothing attitude eventually leads to nothing, right?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:42:33am
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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:43:14am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Here’s the thing: Vermont voters aren’t willing to suffer to stop gang killings in Boston, in the same way rural Illinois voters aren’t willing to accept restrictions over gang killings in Chicago.

Because god forbid anybody be at all concerned about things 100 miles away. It’s not like we’re a big country or anything.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:43:32am

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

Jeebus he is stupid

INDISTUBABLE!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:44:29am

re: #275 Romantic Heretic

Yes! The tree of liberty must be watered with blood!

Sorry, D_F. But that is what the wingnuts are saying and you’re going along with it.

And I am sorry too if I came of harsh but DF you have to stop acting like the proposed legislation is being done in “quick judgement.” It’s not. School shootings are almost unheard of overseas. Their kids play the same video games our kids do, they listen to the same music, and their schools frankly are more “godless” than ours yet school shootings aren’t a problem. There is one big difference though and that’s frankly that their countries don’t have a gun fetish culture like ours do and a party that is happy to induldge that culture. I don’t mind gun ownership I really don’t despite what yo may think. My grandfather was a hunter. My best friend target shoots. And I understand why someone would want one for protection but we need sensible policies and only one party is offering them nad it sure as shit ain’t yours.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:44:48am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

We can have a balanced budget by close of business on November 3: refuse to raise the debt limit. Instant balanced budget.
— Bryan Fischer

This sounds just fabulous.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:45:22am

re: #280 sagehen

Because god forbid anybody be at all concerned about things 100 miles away. It’s not like we’re a big country or anything.

That’s what I mean by they’re selfish. Just like legislators who oppose disaster relief when their districts aren’t the ones hit. Empathy man.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:45:27am

re: #275 Romantic Heretic

Pretty sure the drafters of the constitution would be horrified with the extremism that is the current GOP norm. Hell, they’d be horrified with with what the RINO’s ‘think.’

None of the founders were wild-eyed revolutionaries and the distortion of what they believed and what they said is a great disservice to the principles that they believed. And, no, I am no implying that they all shared the exact same ideals. But, I’m pretty sure none of them were TP-like.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:46:17am

re: #269 lawhawk

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Gosh, I can understand the 10,000 guns but 500 chainsaws?????

Was he the President of The Plasmatics Fan Club????

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:46:30am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found. But it isn’t since even if such laws passed the next time some nut popped off and went on a rampage there’d be a fresh cry of “Do Something!” and more restrictions would be proposed.

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

Have you even stopped once to hear yourself? You would reject good legislation because of the source? How is that a rational position?

Would you reject live saving blood or medical care because it came from a black person? a Muslim?

Children have died. IN THIS COUNTRY

Insisting on Partisan Politics is beneath you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:47:00am

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:47:04am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

I see some potential problems with this strategy. Bryan apparently doesn’t.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:48:12am

re: #260 WhatEVs

Boy do we need to express that every single day from now until election day. A+!

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:49:59am

re: #286 Joe Bacon

Gosh, I can understand the 10,000 guns but 500 chainsaws?????

Was he the President of The Plasmatics Fan Club????

The fellow was a hoarder. Some people hoard newspapers and magazines, in the event someday someone might need something from them. It’s a compulsion.

This guy must have thought there’d be a shortage of firearms and chainsaws in the future. Why? WTF knows?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:51:34am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

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Aren’t we pretty much to the point that life causes cancer?

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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:52:03am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

You’re insane. You do realize that, don’t you?

The US used to lose more than 50,000 lives every year to car wrecks.

Then we got seat belt laws. You couldn’t put your kids in the bed of your pickup. We got airbags. We changed the materials used for windshields, and side panels. Tightened the drunk driving limits. Guard rails at the side of roads, and a stoplight here and a speed bump there…

Every. Single. One. of these measures was vigorously opposed by conservatives. The COST! Freedumb! Parents can make their own choices!!

In the meantime, population has increased by 40%, people drive farther per capita, and yet auto-crash deaths are down to 30K.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:52:49am

re: #287 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Have you even stopped once to hear yourself? You would reject good legislation because of the source? How is that a rational position?

Would you reject live saving blood or medical care because it came from a black person? a Muslim?

Children have died. IN THIS COUNTRY

Insisting on Partisan Politics is beneath you.

This is spot on. And frankly I think a lot of those urban Democrats that rural Republicans are so fond of looking down on actually know a lot more about the realities of gun violence than those rural Republicans do. I see conservatives love to put down liberals because we don’t get guns. And I admit it, I don’t know much about guns but I frankly don’t think that matters. You don’t need an encyclopedic knowledge to know about children getting gunned down because one child’s parent thought it was a great idea to leave his gun loaded or to train their child with guns even though the child was known to have medical issues. I should also add that I am a lifelong suburbite who presently resides in a rural area so I’m not some “urban elitist.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:55:02am

re: #292 Eventual Carrion

Aren’t we pretty much to the point that life causes cancer?

Joe Jackson, “Everything Gives You Cancer”

zapkolik.com

YouTube is blocked in China, and I’m too lazy to boot up the VPN

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:57:38am

re: #292 Eventual Carrion

Aren’t we pretty much to the point that life causes cancer?

Smoked and salted foods were the sort of things that people used to eat in small amounts and for special occasions, not in large amounts on a daily basis.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 7:59:27am

re: #290 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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That’s why they put Blackburn (and the other ladies) on this latest Planned Parent inquisition.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:00:06am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Smoked and salted foods were the sort of things that people used to eat in small amounts and for special occasions, not in large amounts on a daily basis.

Smoking and salting used to be the only way to preserve food before everyone had a freezer.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:00:20am

re: #297 WhatEVs

That’s why they put Blackburn (and the other ladies) on this latest Planned Parent inquisition.

She is another version of Michelle Bachmann —Phyllis Shafley wanna bees

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:00:44am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Smoking and salting used to be the only way to preserve food before everyone had a freezer.

Damn Rich people and their freezers!!!

/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:00:48am

re: #293 sagehen

You’re insane. You do realize that, don’t you?

The US used to lose more than 50,000 lives every year to car wrecks.

Then we got seat belt laws. You couldn’t put your kids in the bed of your pickup. We got airbags. We changed the materials used for windshields, and side panels. Tightened the drunk driving limits. Guard rails at the side of roads, and a stoplight here and a speed bump there…

Every. Single. One. of these measures was vigorously opposed by conservatives. The COST! Freedumb! Parents can make their own choices!!

In the meantime, population has increased by 40%, people drive farther per capita, and yet auto-crash deaths are down to 30K.

Speaking of automobiles, I hear hur hurr why don’t you want to ban cars. A car’s purpose isn’t to kill someone. A gun’s is. And besides that, cars are in fact more heavily regulated in this country than guns are. I am sorry but it should just be common sense that a machine that’s purpose is to end another life- whether that’s animal or human is inconsequential IMO should definitely be more regulated than one that gets us around. And frankly I don’t think that should be seen as a radical position. And finally I will never get the gun hoarding compulsion. Don’t complain to me about your taxes when you live in an area that has few crimes when you own a mini arsenal.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:01:22am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Smoking and salting used to be the only way to preserve food before everyone had a freezer.

Yeah you see the smokehouses when you go to places like Mount Vernon.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:01:25am

re: #293 sagehen

You’re insane. You do realize that, don’t you?

The US used to lose more than 50,000 lives every year to car wrecks.

Then we got seat belt laws. You couldn’t put your kids in the bed of your pickup. We got airbags. We changed the materials used for windshields, and side panels. Tightened the drunk driving limits. Guard rails at the side of roads, and a stoplight here and a speed bump there…

Every. Single. One. of these measures was vigorously opposed by conservatives. The COST! Freedumb! Parents can make their own choices!!

In the meantime, population has increased by 40%, people drive farther per capita, and yet auto-crash deaths are down to 30K.

There’s ongoing opposition to those measures as well. They thought it infringed on their right to do the dashboard death dance. Or the windshield face-plant.

And it’s more pronounced with state rules on helmets and motorcyclists/bicyclists.

The downside to the motorcycle helmet rules is that there’s fewer donor-cyclists running around.

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gwangung  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:02:40am

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found.

Sorry, but that’s bullshit. A compromise entails BOTH sides willing to give things up.

That’s not the case here and you know it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:03:13am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:05:55am
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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:06:01am

re: #305 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

7 Churches Burned in St. Louis; ‘Racism Is Alive,’ Pastor Says

Racism is alive. As is domestic terrorism. Someone is targeting churches with the express purpose of inflicting terror on blacks in the greater STL area.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:07:24am

re: #304 gwangung

Sorry, but that’s bullshit. A compromise entails BOTH sides willing to give things up.

That’s not the case here and you know it.

Right, and DF if you want proof of this, look at every reaction from your party and the gun lobby everytime Obama says remotely one critical word about guns in the aftermath of these tragedies. You guys talk about about how “mental health” is the problem and yet outside of Kasich to his credit, your party’s governors pretty much cut mental health services. Can you tell me why they do that and not some excuse about how their Democratic predecessors this and that?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:08:43am

Racism never really died. There’s a large part of the country and it’s represented well in conservative politics who never accepted the Civil Rights Movement. Remember Reagan originally was going to veto the MLK B-Day holiday. Nixon’s running mate blamed Civil Rights protesters for violence. If that’s how their leaders act, the rank and file is probably worse.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:09:51am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

tocsin
From Old French toquesain (modern tocsin), from Provençal tocasenh, from tocar ‘strike, touch’ + senh ‘bell’.

IPA(key): /ˈtɒksɪn/
Rhymes: -ɒksɪn
Homophone: toxin
Noun[edit]
tocsin ‎(plural tocsins)

An alarm or other signal sounded by a bell or bells, especially with reference to France.
A bell used to sound an alarm.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:10:44am

re: #310 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

One o those things that I always knew about but didn’t know the name.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:10:55am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:11:14am

re: #306 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

They Really Want a Theocracy: The GOP Candidates Who Want to Make You Bow to Their Lord

The stakes are high. The faith-deranged support a (largely successful) nationwide campaign to restrict women’s reproductive rights and introduce Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, of which there are now 21 in force, with others on the way. As a result of decades of Christian propaganda, performing abortions can be life-threatening for doctors. And in times of widespread fiscal austerity, the government loses about $83 billion a year to religious tax exemptions. This should all outrage us and incite us to act.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:13:38am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Smoked and salted foods were the sort of things that people used to eat in small amounts and for special occasions, not in large amounts on a daily basis.

Not really. Smoked and salted foods were major preservation techniques that are no longer necessary; the fact that they taste good is why we are still using these techniques. Many important flavoring sauces were derived from the salting techniques, e.g, fish sauce. Soy sauce is basically brewed salt with soy added as a contrast (ok, (only) slight, exaggeration).

Cancer is a disease of age, yes, there are outliers, but. It may be exacerbated, to an extent, by these techniques but there are many food safety aspects that fit in with standard food preservation methods.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:14:29am

I hope I was not too harsh.I just think the reaction I saw is why we can’t get anything accomplished on this issue. It’s not even real policy differences. It’s about opposing one party. I really do get that rural areas have less gun violence but I am sorry but acting like gun violence in the cities with guns often purchased from your area isn’t your problem is a foolish and frankly heartless attitude to have. I see gun regulation and I will use that term for now on in because gun control is a bs term opponents acting like “Well those crooks in those areas are violating the law anyhow.” Well firstly, they’re buying the guns legally. LH has talked a lot about gangland guns being bought here n the Commonwealth. Secondly, that’s not true anyow, some of the highest gun violence rates are in areas where gun laws are lax.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:15:09am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Yeah you see the smokehouses when you go to places like Mount Vernon.

my 1800s smokehouse/root cellar:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:16:42am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

my 1800s smokehouse/root cellar:

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Nice.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:18:04am

Anyhow said my piece on guns. Feeling real hopeful that I am going to get some breakthrough’s on information about my one grandfather’s parents and grandparents and a grandmother’s grandparents as well. Two letters mailed today- one to Pittsburgh and one to Slovenia.

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Black Skeleton d20  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:18:17am

When it comes to gun control laws I’m in the camp that, unfortunately, believes Sandy Hook’s non-reaction put a nail in the coffen of real reform (including mental health-related ones) for some time to come. It demonstrated that all the fury, frustration, and sadness that could be mustered stood no chance against the power of the NRA and those who back it. We didn’t have a Port Arthur moment, and enough people/money decided that the lives lost then was a price the country was willing to pay at the collection table of the Second Amendment.

And that there are people who believe Sandy Hook to be a HOAX on top of that… ugh.

It’s cynical of me, I know, but can you blame me?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:18:18am

re: #307 lawhawk

Racism is alive. As is domestic terrorism. Someone is targeting churches with the express purpose of inflicting terror on blacks in the greater STL area.

But whoever calls out domestic terrorism is accused of neglecting the “real” terrorism…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:19:45am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:19:50am

re: #319 Black Skeleton d20

When it comes to gun control laws I’m in the camp that, unfortunately, believes Sandy Hook’s non-reaction put a nail in the coffen of real reform (including mental health-related ones) for some time to come. It demonstrated that all the fury, frustration, and sadness that could be mustered stood no chance against the power of the NRA and those who back it. We didn’t have a Port Arthur moment, and enough people/money decided that the lives lost then was a price the country was willing to pay at the collection table of the Second Amendment.

And that there are people who believe Sandy Hook to be a HOAX on top of that… ugh.

It’s cynical of me, I know, but can you blame me?

I actually know a Sandy Hook denier. Not particularly well fortunately but when I saw that, I think that’s when I knew for certain that it’s hopeless and some of the deniers are law enforcement like the sheriff in Oregon agh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:20:09am

re: #314 Bird in the Paw

Not really. Smoked and salted foods were major preservation techniques that are no longer necessary; the fact that they taste good is why we are still using these techniques. Many important flavoring sauces were derived from the salting techniques, e.g, fish sauce. Soy sauce is basically brewed salt with soy added as a contrast (ok, (only) slight, exaggeration).

Cancer is a disease of age, yes, there are outliers, but. It may be exacerbated, to an extent, by these techniques but there are many food safety aspects that fit in with standard food preservation methods.

Nonetheless, for a great deal of the peasant population, even smoked meats were a Sunday treats, fresh meats reserved for high holidays

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:21:44am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can buy that. Besides, Christie’s well documented behavior of being an asshole to teachers bothers me more than this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:22:06am

re: #319 Black Skeleton d20

When it comes to gun control laws I’m in the camp that, unfortunately, believes Sandy Hook’s non-reaction put a nail in the coffen of real reform (including mental health-related ones) for some time to come.

Yes, that should have been a turning point for conscious reform and instead it just caused the NRA to dig in and shout even louder about how our rights are endangered.

What was Ben Carson’s statement about how a bullet-riddled corpse is still less harrowing a sight than the thought of our Second Amendment being infringed on?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:22:54am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, that should have been a turning point for conscious reform and instead it just caused the NRA to dig in and shout even louder about how our rights are endangered.

What was Ben Carson’s statement about how a bullet-riddled corpse is still less harrowing a sight than the thought of our Second Amendment being infringed on?

Carson pretty much sad that the idea of gun regulation disgusted him more than looking at a bullet riddled corpse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:24:14am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Carson pretty much sad that the idea of gun regulation disgusted him more than looking at a bullet riddled corpse.

and that pretty much sums it up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:24:55am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and that pretty much sums it up.

Yep.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:25:22am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll call that a meh story. Christie is already cratering in polls, in NJ and nationally. This story does nothing to change any of that. It only serves to reinforce preconceptions about Christie as being boorish/arrogant/mean-spirited if you buy the Gawker version, or mistaken and sheepishly apologetic if you buy this other person’s version.

Either way, Christie will not be long for the GOP race.

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Skip Intro  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:25:44am

24 states sue to overturn centerpiece of Obama’s climate-change initiative

Guess which ones.

Oh, all right.

The states joining West Virginia’s lawsuit include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Arizona, and North Carolina

Any surprises here?

arstechnica.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:26:04am

re: #329 lawhawk

I’ll call that a meh story. Christie is already cratering in polls, in NJ and nationally. This story does nothing to change any of that. It only serves to reinforce preconceptions about Christie as being boorish/arrogant/mean-spirited if you buy the Gawker version, or mistaken and sheepishly apologetic if you buy this other person’s version.

Either way, Christie will not be long for the GOP race.

And to think that there was a point when I looked on Christie as the only candidate in the GOP that I might consider…that has nothing to do with the train story, it has to do with his other utterances.

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Skip Intro  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:26:43am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Christie is Donald Trump without the class and charm.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:27:53am

re: #330 Skip Intro

24 states sue to overturn centerpiece of Obama’s climate-change initiative

Guess which ones.

Oh, all right.

Any surprises here?

arstechnica.com

Well there’s another reason to be proud of my Mark Herring vote. I assume this is the work of the state AGs anyhow.

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:29:38am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nonetheless, for a great deal of the peasant population, even smoked meats were a Sunday treats, fresh meats reserved for high holidays

Which was more than people today realize - in 1200, in England, there were along with the 52 Sunday’s, 46 feast days. So, more than a 1/4 but less than a 1/3 of the year were “special” days when even the peasants could expect better food from their liege. And those who had extra jobs on the manor would have more options as well - generally a fair amount of fresh fish (especially eels) was common.

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:29:49am

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:29:52am
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A Mom Anon  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:30:11am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

You know what’s super awesome and fun? Living in a suburban area where it’s legal to shoot a gun on your property. And then being in your own backyard with your dog, tossing a ball around and having to go inside because someone is shooting a fucking gun on the other side of your fence. I’m so god damned sick of their right to own and use guns superseding my right to not have that shit in my face in my own fucking yard. There are firing ranges all around me and they’re building a HUGE gun themed complex (store, range, restaurant- yes restaurant, and special elite club, like a country club, only no golf, just guns) not far from here. There is no fucking excuse to shoot a gun right next to my house, NONE. Short of a bear, coyote or serial killer coming at you, there’s no reason for this shit and I am tired of it. It’s broken up parties at my house, and ruined quiet evenings and afternoons just hanging out. But the cops can’t do anything and my neighbors are multi generational wingnuts who think the president is a muslim/maoist/Marxist commie who is coming for their guns and wasn’t born here. So I have just a teeny little problem with this bullshit. And these are the responsible gun owners around here. I wish I could move.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:30:40am

re: #336 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:30:56am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Well there’s another reason to be proud of my Mark Herring vote. I assume this is the work of the state AGs anyhow.

Yep, four years ago Cuccinelli would be running people over to get to the cameras to announce the lawsuit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:31:47am

re: #337 A Mom Anon

You know what’s super awesome and fun? Living in a suburban area where it’s legal to shoot a gun on your property. And then being in your own backyard with your dog, tossing a ball around and having to go inside because someone is shooting a fucking gun on the other side of your fence. I’m so god damned sick of their right to own and use guns superseding my right to not have that shit in my face in my own fucking yard. There are firing ranges all around me and they’re building a HUGE gun themed complex (store, range, restaurant- yes restaurant, and special elite club, like a country club, only no golf, just guns) not far from here. There is no fucking excuse to shoot a gun right next to my house, NONE. Short of a bear, coyote or serial killer coming at you, there’s no reason for this shit and I am tired of it. It’s broken up parties at my house, and ruined quiet evenings and afternoons just hanging out. But the cops can’t do anything and my neighbors are multi generational wingnuts who think the president is a muslim/maoist/Marxist commie who is coming for their guns and wasn’t born here. So I have just a teeny little problem with this bullshit. And these are the responsible gun owners around here. I wish I could move.

Right on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:31:55am

re: #332 Skip Intro

Christie is Donald Trump without the class and charm.

He had a few redeeming features: willingness to work with Obama (at least over Hurricane Sandy) and I saw him stand up for his choice of a Muslim appointment of a judge against some Islamophobes in his party that impressed me.

But lately he is trying to hard to make an impression on GOP base voters and failing massively.

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William Lewis  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:32:06am

re: #335 Jenner7

May he rest in the light.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:33:04am

re: #339 Timothy Watson

Yep, four years ago Cuccinelli would be running people over to get to the cameras to announce the lawsuit.

He’d probably be laading it. And if Obenshain had won, he would have joined in too for sure. I am still not a big Terry fan but I’ve been a fan of Mark Herring’s since he ran for state senate where I attended community college.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:33:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:33:57am

re: #337 A Mom Anon

You know what’s super awesome and fun? Living in a suburban area where it’s legal to shoot a gun on your property.

And it is impossible to go out and hike or picnic in the Superstition Wilderness area outside Phoenix without encountering armed parties out shootin’ it up.

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:37:43am

re: #344 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

The derp will be sky high on this committee.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:37:54am

re: #329 lawhawk

I’ll call that a meh story. Christie is already cratering in polls, in NJ and nationally. This story does nothing to change any of that. It only serves to reinforce preconceptions about Christie as being boorish/arrogant/mean-spirited if you buy the Gawker version, or mistaken and sheepishly apologetic if you buy this other person’s version.

Either way, Christie will not be long for the GOP race.

Honestly, this likely helped him with Republican voters because they love them some bellicosity.

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Black Skeleton d20  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:38:31am

OT (and video game related):

Are there any folks out there who play Guild Wars 2? I’m just curious to see if there are any vidya lizards out there bashing their heads (with glee) against the new expansion.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:38:50am

Thursday, October 22, 2015

“If the U.S. does not work to increase access to reproductive healthcare for vulnerable populations, particularly safe abortion services, there will be negative, long-term consequences.”

“We cannot be bystanders to such gross violations of the human dignity of these women and girls.”

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:39:32am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nonetheless, for a great deal of the peasant population, even smoked meats were a Sunday treats, fresh meats reserved for high holidays

And they died long before cancer was a relevant issue. The real issue here is how curing meats affects the current population. Relative risk ratio (RR) increase of cancers from food that are treated using these techniques does not actually reach a RR > 1.2, which means that it isn’t really of concern. From standard models. For people that lived (as VB notes) prior to refrigeration, the benefit-rsik ratio was basically infinite. Edit : the benefit-risk ratio was infinite. Dur. Said it backwards the first time.

If your risk tolerance is low, avoid smoked, grilled, salted (for different reasons) foods. But, these articles do not actually address a real risk in the food safety arena.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:39:41am

(((((Jenner7)))))

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A Mom Anon  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:40:20am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Oh that shit too. Not only do they leave all the shit they shoot up all over the parks (broken glass from bottles, rusted metal from cans- etc), but the animals they shoot then get eaten by birds of prey who get poisoned by eating the dead animals who are filled with toxic metals from the ammunition. And as a woman, and a survivor of abuse, it’s just a tad unnerving to be approached on a trail by men carrying guns. In parks, which are supposed to be quiet places where a person can find some peace. But no, once a- goddamned -gain their gun humping rights trump mine. Fuck these people. If they’re that scared of everything they should be the ones who should have to stay the fuck at home surrounded by their weapons.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:44:25am

What pisses me off is how the shootings are just brushed aside as incidents. Feels like every week I read about a small child who either shoots their siblings, a playmate, or older relative. That’s not safe and I frankly refuse to buy this whole “armed society is polite society” nonsense. These guys want to open carry for one reason and that’s to intimidate people. THey also want to be able to bring guns into bars. I’ve had a long week. I don’t want you bringing in your weapon into a bar when I’m trying to just enjoy a nice drink and some music. Guns and alcohol never end well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:44:57am

But really I think ultimately it’s the diversions and the excuses that piss me off the most.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:45:55am

re: #335 Jenner7

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:47:41am

Pat Lynch, the head of the NYPD union, has never met an issue on which he can’t be more wrong (usually opening his mouth to spout off nonsensical ravings). This time, it’s movie critiques of Quentin Tarantino because he marched in a rally against police brutality.

Memo to Pat Lynch. Your union’s comprised of cops who take an oath to protect and serve the community. Far too many of them ignore that oath and abuse the powers vested in them - engaging in harassment, police brutality, and excessive force. Your union’s job is to protect all cops from those kinds of complaints - but the fact is that you’re also protecting the bad cops from their bad actions and consequences of bad actions and that lumps the bad ones in with the good cops who are doing a tough job.

Make no mistake, the good cops out there need our support, but we also need the bad cops drummed out of the NYPD since they cost the city time, money, and lives. A small percentage of NYPD officers are responsible for the vast majority of excessive force complaints. That has to be rectified, but the PBA stands in the way of getting the bad actors out of the force. That’s entirely on the union.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:49:36am

re: #356 lawhawk

Pat Lynch, the head of the NYPD union, has never met an issue on which he can’t be more wrong (usually opening his mouth to spout off nonsensical ravings). This time, it’s movie critiques of Quentin Tarantino because he marched in a rally against police brutality.

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Memo to Pat Lynch. Your union’s comprised of cops who take an oath to protect and serve the community. Far too many of them ignore that oath and abuse the powers vested in them - engaging in harassment, police brutality, and excessive force. Your union’s job is to protect all cops from those kinds of complaints - but the fact is that you’re also protecting the bad cops from their bad actions and consequences of bad actions and that lumps the bad ones in with the good cops who are doing a tough job.

Make no mistake, the good cops out there need our support, but we also need the bad cops drummed out of the NYPD since they cost the city time, money, and lives. A small percentage of NYPD officers are responsible for the vast majority of excessive force complaints. That has to be rectified, but the PBA stands in the way of getting the bad actors out of the force. That’s entirely on the union.

He’s an asshole. Quentin OTOH just went up another notch in my book.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:50:18am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:52:36am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:55:48am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:56:11am

re: #360 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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Wish I could be suprrised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:56:32am

moar whining:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:58:45am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not fair that people without a couple billion dollars can run for President!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:59:41am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off is how the shootings are just brushed aside as incidents. Feels like every week I read about a small child who either shoots their siblings, a playmate, or older relative. That’s not safe and I frankly refuse to buy this whole “armed society is polite society” nonsense. These guys want to open carry for one reason and that’s to intimidate people. THey also want to be able to bring guns into bars. I’ve had a long week. I don’t want you bringing in your weapon into a bar when I’m trying to just enjoy a nice drink and some music. Guns and alcohol never end well.

And the people they intimidate most are politicians.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 8:59:45am

Losing the 2d Amendment. Even as Heller indicated that the 2d Amendment is not an unfettered right. These folks are deranged in their absolutist position on the 2d Amendment, even as they look to restrict all other kinds of rights, including voting and equal rights, to say nothing of access to health care.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:00:51am

re: #312 lawhawk

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Probably a bunch of scientists, what do they know about nuclear bombs anyway!

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Skip Intro  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:01:53am

Looks like the wingnut Freedum Caucus is not wingnut enough for the True Conservatives.

Fuming over Ryan, some conservative voices turn on the Freedom Caucus

The anger over Ryan’s ascent has been fueled by voices across the conservative media landscape. On the Internet, sites such as breitbart.com and the Drudge Report have pumped out a steady stream of anti-Ryan stories casting doubt on his record, while such prominent commentators as Erick Erickson, Ann Coulter and Mickey Kaus have sharpened their teeth and urged conservatives to contact lawmakers and tell them to spurn Ryan.

Particularly brutal have been the syndicated talk-radio hosts who have helped foment the anti-establishment outrage that has kept Donald Trump atop the GOP presidential race and forced Jeb Bush, a well-financed mainstream conservative, to undertake a campaign shake-up.

Laura Ingraham last week called Ryan “basically John Boehner with better abs” and featured segment after segment attacking Ryan’s positions on trade and immigration. She also mocked his desire to spend his weekends with his family.

washingtonpost.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:02:07am

re: #365 lawhawk

If gun rights are curtailed in America, it will be when the rest of us are finally sick of the gunfuckers and their control of the conversation so that even rational limitations are not possible.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:03:53am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:04:15am

bbl

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:04:20am

re: #365 lawhawk

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Losing the 2d Amendment. Even as Heller indicated that the 2d Amendment is not an unfettered right. These folks are deranged in their absolutist position on the 2d Amendment, even as they look to restrict all other kinds of rights, including voting and equal rights, to say nothing of access to health care.

Ted, you sir are a jackass.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:05:16am

re: #367 Skip Intro

Looks like the wingnut Freedum Caucus is not wingnut enough for the True Conservatives.

Fuming over Ryan, some conservative voices turn on the Freedom Caucus

washingtonpost.com

Nothing will ever be wingnut for them. It’d be nice if someone in the GOP high echelon realized this and called out thier bluf.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:05:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:06:58am

re: #367 Skip Intro

Looks like the wingnut Freedum Caucus is not wingnut enough for the True Conservatives.

This is the big payback for making Ideological Purity the sole criterion for GOP policymaking and choice of candidates. There will always be someone to the right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:07:07am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

Heh as the weirdest looking nose.
I have my suspicions as to why it looks like that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:07:52am

re: #374 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is the big payback for making Ideological Purity the sole criterion for GOP policymaking and choice of candidates. There will always be someone to the right.

Yep. They’ll want an openly fascist candidate in no time.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:08:31am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Carson pretty much sad that the idea of gun regulation disgusted him more than looking at a bullet riddled corpse.

Right up to the point he has to identify the bullet riddled corpse of one of his children at the morgue.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:10:16am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh as the weirdest looking nose.
I have my suspicions as to why it looks like that.

He used Michael Jackson’s surgeon. Those nostrils are like a signature.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:10:19am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh as the weirdest looking nose.
I have my suspicions as to why it looks like that.

Stevie Nicks syndrome?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:10:20am

re: #367 Skip Intro

prominent commentators as Erick Erickson, Ann Coulter and Mickey Kaus have sharpened their teeth and urged conservatives to contact lawmakers and tell them to spurn Ryan.

The name Mickey Kaus jumped out at me. He’s been a so-called “Democrat” concern troll for decades. Hadn’t heard that he officially and finally went over to the other side.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:11:29am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Yep. They’ll want an openly fascist candidate in no time.

They already have two who are fascist, they just don’t say it in so many words.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:11:53am

Fucking dumbass==>

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:12:20am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

He used Michael Jackson’s surgeon. Those nostrils are like a signature.

I was just thinking he had Michael Jackson’s nose post-surgery.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:12:59am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

The only way we go into “default” is not to service the debt. But there is plenty of tax revenue for that. t.co
— Bryan Fischer

Hurr hurr were Bankrupt! but thares lots of tax money to pay to service the debt!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:13:30am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They already have two who are fascist, they just don’t say it in so many words.

Wel yeah, an open fascist disdains democracy.

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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:15:09am

re: #334 William Lewis

Which was more than people today realize - in 1200, in England, there were along with the 52 Sunday’s, 46 feast days. So, more than a 1/4 but less than a 1/3 of the year were “special” days when even the peasants could expect better food from their liege. And those who had extra jobs on the manor would have more options as well - generally a fair amount of fresh fish (especially eels) was common.

people didn’t get cancer back then because most cancers happen after age 40; how many people in 1200 lived to 40?

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:16:59am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh as the weirdest looking nose.
I have my suspicions as to why it looks like that.

Talk about the face of an entitled asshole. He looks (and thinks) like a 12 year old.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:17:14am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Yep. They’ll want an openly fascist candidate in no time.

They have one. Carson.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:17:54am

re: #334 William Lewis

Which was more than people today realize - in 1200, in England, there were along with the 52 Sunday’s, 46 feast days. So, more than a 1/4 but less than a 1/3 of the year were “special” days when even the peasants could expect better food from their liege. And those who had extra jobs on the manor would have more options as well - generally a fair amount of fresh fish (especially eels) was common.

Yes, I read that in Tsarist Russia there were over 90 religious holidays per year. Not all feast days (actually lots of fast days), but nonetheless, even with Saturdays as a regular working day, Russian serfs enjoyed as many days off as a lot of modern working Americans…

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:21:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:21:45am

re: #330 Skip Intro

24 states sue to overturn centerpiece of Obama’s climate-change initiative

Guess which ones.

Oh, all right.

Any surprises here?

arstechnica.com

Mississippi is NOT on that list???? Mother of pearl, what the fuck is happening?!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:22:29am

re: #367 Skip Intro

Laura Ingraham last week called Ryan “basically John Boehner with better abs” and featured segment after segment attacking Ryan’s positions on trade and immigration. She also mocked his desire to spend his weekends with his family.

The party of “family values”. Classy. /

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:22:58am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:23:14am

Speaking of lawsuits, what’s going on with UpChuck this week?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:23:24am

re: #390 Ace-o-aces

“Stop crying about ‘police brutality’ or else we’ll give you some ‘police brutality’ to cry about!!!!”

/

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:24:19am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

Mississippi is NOT on that list???? Mother of pearl, what the fuck is happening?!

Could be that Katrina woke some folks up. Or they just couldn’t get their act together in time to sue with the others.

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Skip Intro  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:26:43am

Meanwhile as the GOP rushes to the far, far right to lock up the teabaggers,


Poll: Tea party support drops to new lows

Here’s a free tip to the GOP from me: Stop paying attention to the talk radio psychos, the Breitbart psychos, the Drudge psychos, and all the other psychos who are driving your party into their lunatic fantasy world.

chron.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:28:09am

The problem of income inequality summed up in one Tweet==>

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:30:12am

re: #306 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

They Really Want a Theocracy: The GOP Candidates Who Want to Make You Bow to Their Lord

Man, that is a really good article. The first few paragraphs are kind of hard to read, you can tell he is really anti-religion. But when you get to the meat of his article…it’s really good.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:30:56am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

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God he just looks like such a smarmy little fuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:32:10am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off is how the shootings are just brushed aside as incidents. Feels like every week I read about a small child who either shoots their siblings, a playmate, or older relative. That’s not safe and I frankly refuse to buy this whole “armed society is polite society” nonsense. These guys want to open carry for one reason and that’s to intimidate people. THey also want to be able to bring guns into bars. I’ve had a long week. I don’t want you bringing in your weapon into a bar when I’m trying to just enjoy a nice drink and some music. Guns and alcohol never end well.

This past July 1, our state gun laws were loosened. Basically, you can now concealed carry in MS WITHOUT a permit. Open carry has been permitted for sometime.

In the run-up to the law being enacted and also in the months following, “No firearms permitted” signs have started to proliferate in area businesses. While doing some errand running the other day, I noted these signs at a Bank, a Hardware store, a Dentist’s office and a Corner Store.

I couldn’t help but thinking that it’s one hell of a commentary on our culture that we even NEED these signs in the first place.

And of course some businesses are going the other way. This is from a restaurant across town:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:32:16am

re: #400 Eventual Carrion

God he just looks like such a smarmy little fuck.

Which is just the look of a successful businessman, and if you hate him, then you are a class warrior who hates America.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:34:02am

Math is hard.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:37:15am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Math is hard.

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So Obama should arbitrarily ignore appropriation acts to avoid going over the debt limit?

…Wouldn’t that make him a tyrant?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:40:16am

So after figuring out how “easy peasy” it is to service the debt, Bryan comes up with this brilliant idea==>

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:41:24am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

So after figuring out how “easy peasy” it is to service the debt, Bryan comes up with this brilliant idea==>

Yep, because we don’t need anyone to enforce a tax.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:42:01am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

IRS is STILL targeting conservative groups, even after Lois Lerner scandal. It’s time to adopt flat tax, abolish the IRS.

and abolish tax exemptions for churches and religious organizations as well?

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:46:48am

Saw this on FB and had to share.

Flash dancing-The Nicholas Brothers and Cab Calloway-Jumpin’ Jive-Stormy Weather 1943

Video

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:52:29am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nah. They are afraid of running into minorities on their daily trips to Walmart and Farm & Fleet. They think they need to protect themselves from other people shopping just like them.

Wonder what they’d do if they ran into a non-white 2A’ing at the same place…

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:53:25am

“Stop it. This is hard.”

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:56:47am

re: #410 Jenner7

It’s enraging when you consider how many people’s parents didn’t have two spare nickels to pass along to them let alone the tiny amount of $1,000,000. Woe is fucking Trump.

This is the same level of lack of understanding when Queen Anne Romney spouted off about their poor college years when she and Mitt had to live off the dividends of their stock portfolio.

Gah. These people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:58:10am

re: #411 WhatEVs

It’s enraging when you consider how many people’s parents didn’t have two spare nickels to pass along to them let alone the tiny amount of $1,000,000. Woe is fucking Trump.

This is the same level of lack of understanding when Queen Anne Romney spouted off about their poor college years when she and Mitt had to live off the dividends of their stock portfolio.

Gah. These people.

But the same people who are supporting Trump, make fun of Hillary for getting $275,000 speaking fees.

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 9:59:19am

[…]

Lego spokesman Roar Rude Trangbæk said: “Any individual person can naturally purchase or get access to Lego bricks in other ways to create their Lego projects if they desire to do so, but as a company, we choose to refrain from engaging in these activities - through for example bulk purchase.”

[…]

‘Roar Rude,’ worst ever name for a spokesman. (‘Josh Earnest’ is the best ever.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:01:39am

re: #411 WhatEVs

It’s enraging when you consider how many people’s parents didn’t have two spare nickels to pass along to them let alone the tiny amount of $1,000,000. Woe is fucking Trump.

Remember Mitt Romney’s sage advice to young people starting out in their careers to “borrow some money from your parents and start a business”?

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It's on his hat!  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:01:44am

re: #413 wrenchwench

That’s very depressing of Lego to do that, and not at all what I would have expected from them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:02:24am

re: #415 It’s on his hat!

That’s very depressing of Lego to do that, and not at all what I would have expected from them.

Do they do a lot of business in or with China?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:02:39am

re: #397 Skip Intro

Meanwhile as the GOP rushes to the far, far right to lock up the teabaggers,


Poll: Tea party support drops to new lows

Here’s a free tip to the GOP from me: Stop paying attention to the talk radio psychos, the Breitbart psychos, the Drudge psychos, and all the other psychos who are driving your party into their lunatic fantasy world.

chron.com

This is the natural extension of something I have been predicting for years. The business model of the RW bloggers, radio pundits and TV talking heads is to build and maintain a steady stream of paranoid, conspiracy theory driven hatred for anyone and anything that doesn’t go along with their ideology.

We’ve seen the marked increases in extremist rhetoric since Obama became elected and it seems to get worse every year. Why? Simple: The old talking points become stale and are no longer effective, so then the RWNJ commentators have to come up with new talking points, new conspiracies, new paranoias to retain their audiences and by extension, their bank accounts.

Like a drug addict who develops a resistance to his substance of choice, the same is happening in the right wing of America. As a result, the commentators have to stretch into ever more crazy and extremist territory to give their audiences the “hit” they’re after.

We’ve seen this recently with the way the once covert White Supremacist leanings of MANY GOP members and supporters have become far more OVERT.

The GOP politicians in the House are starting to realize full blown crazy can only get them so far and are desperately trying (and failing) to move the discourse back to sane territory.

It won’t work though, because the RW media machine is too obsessed with going the OTHER way. They have to keep ramping up the crazy to keep the cash flowing in. For them, there’s no other option. This is the monster they’ve created and fed and now they are entirely reliant on it for their own well being.

Thus comes the question, sticking with the drug dealer analogy:

What happens if there’s an overdose?

That time, it appears, it fast approaching. We’ve already seen the chaos in the House follwing Boehner’s resignation and the deep splits in the party preventing the easy ascension of a successor.

In addition the 2016 election has the potential to be a bellwether moment for the GOP. If they get roundly stomped by Clinton as they did by Obama in 2012 we could see a whole lot of changes in the GOP.

Following that outcome, the GOP has two choices: Continue to go full blown crazy and be reduced to a regional party with no chance at the White House indefinitely or have the adults in the room (if there are any left by that point) step up and jettison the crazies, realizing the ONLY way to fix things is a drastic overhaul of the entire party.

Addicts can recover of course, but in this scenario the GOP will STILL have the RW media working AGAINST them. You can expect the crazy to continue to flow if Clinton becomes President and probably veer off into extreme misogynist territory, starting the cycle all over again.

So now the problem becomes: How do you get the addict off the drugs when they have such easy access to the dealer?

This is the question the GOP will have to answer at some point.

This is the question that will determine the future of the party.

But who will come up with an answer?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:04:04am

re: #409 GlutenFreeJesus

Nah. They are afraid of running into minorities on their daily trips to Walmart and Farm & Fleet. They think they need to protect themselves from other people shopping just like them.

Wonder what they’d do if they ran into a non-white 2A’ing at the same place…

I was AFRAID for my life officer, it was SELF DEFENSE!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:04:40am

re: #410 Jenner7

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“Stop it. This is hard.”

Wow that’s some Romney style out of touch bs. “Hey I’m just like you, I had to borrow a million bucks from my Dad.”

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It's on his hat!  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:05:15am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Do they do a lot of business in or with China?

I know the bricks themselves are made in Europe and NA, and not in China, but beyond that, I don’t know. Perhaps they see China as an emerging market (or they already are a substantial one).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:06:00am

re: #417 Eclectic Cyborg

This is the natural extension of something I have been predicting for years. The business model of the RW bloggers, radio pundits and TV talking heads is to build and maintain a steady stream of paranoid, conspiracy theory driven hatred for anyone and anything that doesn’t go along with their ideology.

Their answer was always that their candidates were not conservative enough and all they need do is motivate their base constituency to guarantee victory.

Surprise. That base is dwindling and they have gone so far right that Middle America cannot tolerate them.

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WhatEVs  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:07:30am

re: #420 It’s on his hat!

I know the bricks themselves are made in Europe and NA, and not in China, but beyond that, I don’t know. Perhaps they see China as an emerging market (or they already are a substantial one).

That was my take, too. China as a new market for any company could be a company altering boon.

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:08:43am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Do they do a lot of business in or with China?

From the article linked in the last tweet:

Lego also clarified that Legoland parks were sold to British firm Merlin Entertainments 10 years ago. Ai Weiwei’s post to Instagram on Friday implied Lego had refused in order to protect its commercial interests in the China.

From Twitter (if you follow him he will be all over your feed):

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:08:57am

APPEALING TO THE GUN-FUCKER VOTE

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:10:36am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

APPEALING TO THE GUN-FUCKER VOTE

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I bet that’s one of the few times he’s actually ever shot. The 2nd amendment is just a prop for people like him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:11:17am

Oooh look at me, I’m so manly, I shoot a gun, vote for me. I am sorry but it’s pathetic the way mostly Republican candidates pose with guns like they’re toys.

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b.d.  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:12:17am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

APPEALING TO THE GUN-FUCKER VOTE

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Shouldn’t he be working?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:13:45am

re: #172 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:14:21am

re: #427 b.d.

Shouldn’t he be working?

And is it plaid season already in Texas?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:14:41am

re: #427 b.d.

Shouldn’t he be working?

He is working……………….for the TP.

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b.d.  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:17:36am

re: #429 wrenchwench

And is it plaid season already in Texas?

The temp. touched the upper 50s for an hour so everyone has brought out their heavy winter gear.

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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:18:05am

re: #410 Jenner7

“Stop it. This is hard.”

Do we need to point out that a million mid-1970’s dollars is about 5 million in today-dollars?

And let’s take a look at mid-1970’s NYC — “Ford to City: Drop Dead.” Real estate back then was cheap enough to make you cry. I had a boyfriend bought a floor-through downtown loft space in Soho about then, on Prince St, paid $20,000 for 3000 square feet. Anybody want to guess what it’s worth now?

The lower east side was tenement squats, even on the UWS my grandparents’ lease was $275/month for 600 sq ft.

Now let’s talk about the tax abatements the Donald got for his developments; to what degree did the city subsidize his construction?

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:18:57am

re: #431 b.d.

The temp. touched the upper 50s for an hour so everyone has brought out their heavy winter gear.

Heck, that’s down jacket weather in So. Cal., where I grew up.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:19:18am

We all have known for years that cured/smoked/grilled meat can cause cancer and now we have a more definitive proof of its harm. As an aficionado and vigorous meat griller I appreciate the news. My inner bbq guy is at the denial stage of grief while the inner schoolmarm has accepted the news. I fear it may be too late for me, but this is how we grow and learn to live longer and healthier lives.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:19:38am

This, of course, is great news unless the TP screw the deal and prevent its passage. The only way that this gets done is if Boehner drops the Hastert rule to allow Democrats to vote along with a handful of GOPers to fund government.

From what I’m hearing of the framework deal, it would roll back a number of sequester cuts, and might also include transportation funding, but the transportation funding formula would be altered to give priority to motor vehicle projects (roads) rather than mass transit - states would get more funds for car-centric projects than mass transit.

That’s not necesarily good, but having a deal in place is better than no deal at all - especially since the deal would hike the debt ceiling and kick it down to 2017 (2-year deal).

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Kragar  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:20:44am

The science committee’s modus operandi is similar to the Benghazi committee’s — sweeping, catchall investigations, with no specific allegations of wrongdoing or clear rationale, searching through private documents for out-of-context bits and pieces to leak to the press, hoping to gain short-term political advantage — but it stands to do more lasting long-term damage.

In both cases, the investigations have continued long after all questions have been answered. (There were half a dozen probes into Benghazi before this one.) In both cases, the chair has drifted from inquiry to inquisition. But with Benghazi, the only threat is to the reputation of Hillary Clinton, who has the resources to defend herself. With the science committee, it is working scientists being intimidated, who often do not have the resources to defend themselves, and the threat is to the integrity of the scientific process in the US. It won’t take much for scientists to get the message that research into politically contested topics is more hassle than it’s worth.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:21:09am

re: #432 sagehen

Do we need to point out that a million mid-1970’s dollars is about 5 million in today-dollars?

And let’s take a look at mid-1970’s NYC — “Ford to City: Drop Dead.” Real estate back then was cheap enough to make you cry. I had a boyfriend bought a floor-through downtown loft space in Soho about then, on Prince St, paid $20,000 for 3000 square feet. Anybody want to guess what it’s worth now?

The lower east side was tenement squats, even on the UWS my grandparents’ lease was $275/month for 600 sq ft.

Now let’s talk about the tax abatements the Donald got for his developments; to what degree did the city subsidize his construction?

The City subsidizes all projects - including his father’s with tax abatements and various other real estate programs to encourage developers to build housing. Affordable housing gets priorities, which is how his day got into the real estate game.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:21:22am

It’s a challenge I think to eat healthy in modern America. Meat is everywhere and I have to admit that it’s tough to go a day without some form of it. I really should start allotting one day a week where I eat no meat at all. I don’t think I’ll ever fully give it up but I think I should at least attempt that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:22:18am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:23:17am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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I thought conservatives were against the “give every child a trophy” movement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:24:03am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:24:37am

I just had to mute a bunch of Santorum Twitter spam that I already blocked. Did you know that even if you block a Twitter account you can still see it when it gets retweeted?

What’s frothy polling at? *?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:25:07am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

It’s a challenge I think to eat healthy in modern America.

Especially seeing as how we subsidize unhealthy food so much. I’d love to eat fresh fruit, multigrain bread and organic produce every day. I simply can’t AFFORD to.

Fifty cents for a coke? $2.50 for a burger and fries and McDonalds? $1 for a Taco Bell Taco?

It’s not health driving my decision making, it’s economics.

Now I do try to heath as healthy as I can with the budget I’m on but it’s not always easy.

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makeitstop  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:25:49am

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

What’s frothy polling at? *?

More like half a *.

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Kragar  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:25:52am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Paul passes Cruze, Kasich, etc….

But with the margin for error, he’s tied for * with the rest of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:26:17am

This gif wins The Internet

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Lidane  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:26:22am

re: #435 lawhawk

The only way that this gets done is if Boehner drops the Hastert rule to allow Democrats to vote along with a handful of GOPers to fund government.

I’m predicting that this is exactly the plan. Boehner’s out anyway. What are the TPers going to do, primary him? Pfft.

I’m guessing that the day before he leaves, they force through the two-year budget by getting rid of the Hastert rule, then it gets strong-armed in the Senate, and then both parties are spared from having any sort of budget fight in a presidential election year. It will be Sir John of Orange’s final fuck you to the teabaggers who made his life miserable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:26:38am

re: #443 Eclectic Cyborg

Especially seeing as how we subsidize unhealthy food so much. I’d love eat fresh fruit, multigrain bread and organic produce every day I simply can’t AFFORD to.

Fifty cents for a coke? $2.50 for a burger and fries and McDonalds? $1 for a Taco Bell Taco?

It’s not health driving my decision making, it’s economics.

Now I do try to heath as healthy as I can with the budget I’m on but it’s not always easy.

Right and what you get at is why the poor are the most obese in modern America. That’s what makes this unique in history. In the past, the very rich were much more heavy while the poor much mroe skinny. But yeah it’s so much more easy on the wallet to eat unhealthy and quick. If we must subsidize food, we should be doing so towards healthy food.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:27:18am

I don’t think this news from WHO is going to do much to convince my Crossfit/Paleo-diet sibling to sell his grill and smoker. He uses sausages for hamburger buns.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:27:20am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul has all of a whopping 3% in Iowa. That’s the better of two polls from the state. The other one gave him 2%.

Both put him in the MOE, which suggests that he might not even be running.

The delusional attitude of the GOPers who are bringing up the rear of the clown car is staggering. They actually think they have a chance.

All they’re doing is splitting votes, money, and wasting each others’ time.

I hope they keep it up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:27:42am

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Only a good boy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, yes he can, yes he can.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:28:18am

re: #443 Eclectic Cyborg

Right. I look down at my dinner plate and see items full of corn syrup (bbq sauce I’m looking at you) then for my vegetable, corn. Gahhh!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:28:18am

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

I just had to mute a bunch of Santorum Twitter spam that I already blocked. Did you know that even if you block a Twitter account you can still see it when it gets retweeted?

What’s frothy polling at? *?

Frothy still eats at the kid’s table.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:28:20am

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

I just had to mute a bunch of Santorum Twitter spam that I already blocked. Did you know that even if you block a Twitter account you can still see it when it gets retweeted?

What’s frothy polling at? *?

Santorum’s recent poll average is 0.4%. However, the last two national polls have him at zero support.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:31:17am

I am sickened by the arrogance of these entitled little shits.

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Lidane  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:31:59am
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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:32:11am

This guy is an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:32:50am

re: #457 Jenner7

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This guy is an asshole.

Greenwald or Boykin?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:33:51am

re: #456 Lidane

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Everything about that guy oozes douchebag. Really the next time someone tells me your integrity and worth is directly related to your networth, I’ll point to this douchenozzle.

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Lidane  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:34:24am

First, Jeb! starts babbling about all the cooler things that he could be doing instead of running for POTUS. Then Trump starts talking about how it’s hard out here for a millionaire trust fund kid. Now this:

El. Oh. El. So much for a strong GOP bench.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:34:28am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

Greenwald or Boykin?

Yes.

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:34:29am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

Greenwald

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:35:24am

re: #462 Jenner7

Greenwald

Yeah I figured. It’s just that Boykin’s Christofascist beliefs scare the bejesus uotta me.

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iossarian  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:35:49am

re: #460 Lidane

First, Jeb! starts babbling about all the cooler things that he could be doing instead of running for POTUS. Then Trump starts talking about how it’s hard out here for a millionaire trust fund kid. Now this:

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El. Oh. El. So much for a strong GOP bench.

Only the dumbest survive!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:35:58am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

Yes.

Yep, as a SP fan, you’re quite familiar with the turd sandwich and giant douche race. That’s Glenn and Boykin.

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Jenner7  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:36:01am

Anything to disparage the US and put people at risk, Glenn is there.

Meanwhile, Putin is bombing hospitals in Syria. Any comment Glenn?

::crickets::

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:36:29am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Right and what you get at is why the poor are the most obese in modern America. That’s what makes this unique in history. In the past, the very rich were much more heavy while the poor much mroe skinny. But yeah it’s so much more easy on the wallet to eat unhealthy and quick. If we must subsidize food, we should be doing so towards healthy food.

I agree but unfortunately we’ve got a bunch of huge, multi-billion dollar, politically connected food corporations fighting the other side of that battle.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:36:45am

re: #460 Lidane

First, Jeb! starts babbling about all the cooler things that he could be doing instead of running for POTUS. Then Trump starts talking about how it’s hard out here for a millionaire trust fund kid. Now this:

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El. Oh. El. So much for a strong GOP bench.

Rubio should just do his state a favor and resign so someone actually competent would join Nelson in the Senate.

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Belafon  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:36:53am

re: #460 Lidane

First, Jeb! starts babbling about all the cooler things that he could be doing instead of running for POTUS. Then Trump starts talking about how it’s hard out here for a millionaire trust fund kid. Now this:

El. Oh. El. So much for a strong GOP bench.

If we go whining to the world about how hard everything is, surely they’ll go easy on us.

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Snarknado!  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:36:53am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

It’s a challenge I think to eat healthy in modern America. Meat is everywhere and I have to admit that it’s tough to go a day without some form of it. I really should start allotting one day a week where I eat no meat at all. I don’t think I’ll ever fully give it up but I think I should at least attempt that.

The good news is the WHO recommends eating no more than 500 g per week of red meat (more than a pound). You can do this.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:37:26am

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree but unfortunately we’ve got a bunch of huge, multi-billion dollar, politically connected food corporations fighting the other side of that battle.

Yeah it’s a pipe dream. The big food companies are really no different from the tobacco lobby or the coal lobby in sure ruthlessness.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:38:31am

re: #470 Snarknado!

The good news is the WHO recommends eating no more than 500 g per week of red meat (more than a pound). You can do this.

Stupid question but what exactly qualifies as red meat? I did roasted chicken last night and had some today too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:38:37am

heh

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:39:11am

re: #443 Eclectic Cyborg

Especially seeing as how we subsidize unhealthy food so much. I’d love to eat fresh fruit, multigrain bread and organic produce every day. I simply can’t AFFORD to.

Because we have a health care industry that is not concerned with diet and a food industry that is not concerned with health…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:39:21am

re: #471 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s a pipe dream. The big food companies are really no different from the tobacco lobby or the coal lobby in sure ruthlessness.

Yep. Have you seen the “Fed Up” documentary?

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CuriousLurker  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:39:26am

re: #461 The Vicious Babushka

Yes.

Seconded. They’re both assholes. Right Wing Watch has 223 posts on Boykin. Here’s his SPLC dossier.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:39:56am

re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Again, I thought conservatives thought giving every child a trophy was just “PC run amok.” I mean if Rand wants to pat himself on the back for that, go ahead but I’d never be bragging if 90% of the electorate was rejecting me.

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Snarknado!  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:40:19am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but what exactly qualifies as red meat? I did roasted chicken last night and had some today too.

Beef, pork and lamb/mutton. Birds are not red meat.

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:40:55am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but what exactly qualifies as red meat? I did roasted chicken last night and had some today too.

Mammals, AFAIK. Fish and birds are not as bad for you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:07am

re: #447 Lidane

I’m predicting that this is exactly the plan. Boehner’s out anyway. What are the TPers going to do, primary him? Pfft.

I’m guessing that the day before he leaves, they force through the two-year budget by getting rid of the Hastert rule, then it gets strong-armed in the Senate, and then both parties are spared from having any sort of budget fight in a presidential election year. It will be Sir John of Orange’s final fuck you to the teabaggers who made his life miserable.

Man, if this goes through, it’s going to change the whole climate up to the 2016 election. If the Teabaggers in Congress can’t essentially hamstring the economy by obstruction, the current upswing (that should have happened about 2010, but I digress) will accelerate and continue. The “It’s the economy, Stupid!” crowd will be more inclined to vote for whoever will continue the current course.

The RWNJs on the other hand, are going to go absolutely out of their fucking minds—as seen above, they’re already alienating more and more people. They should be about as popular as chlamydia a year from now.

If Obama can pull this off, never mind Mount Rushmore—he deserves to have his face painted on the moon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:09am

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Have you seen the “Fed Up” documentary?

No, I need to though, I think my brother who was a vegetarian before then an omnivore again, and now is veggie again recommended it though. I really need to talk to him about good eating.

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Lidane  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:11am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but what exactly qualifies as red meat? I did roasted chicken last night and had some today too.

Red meat is beef, IIRC.

Pork and chicken are white meat.

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lawhawk  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:22am

re: #460 Lidane

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Great White Snark  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:28am

Well this is disappointing on multiple levels. Huffpo runs stuff from The Intercept?

Then the story itself strikes me as a bit irresponsible by way of getting people killed on the ground. I could be wrong but seems an unwise public disclosure. Huffpo link.

The Pentagon’s Missionary Spies
How the U.S. military used a Christian NGO as a front for North Korean espionage.

The InterceptBy Matthew Cole

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:41:59am

re: #478 Snarknado!

Beef, pork and lamb/mutton. Birds are not red meat.

Okay, that’s good to know. Probably definitely went over my quota since I went to a party on Saturday that had tons of BBQ catered.

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Great White Snark  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:44:02am

re: #482 Lidane

Little more complicated than that.
en.wikipedia.org

According to the USDA, all meats obtained from mammals (regardless of cut or age) are red meats because they contain more myoglobin than white meat chicken or fish.[4]

The culinary definition has many rules and exceptions. Generally meat from mammals (for example cattle, horse meat, bull meat) and meat from from hunting (wild boars, deer, pigeons, partridges, quail and pheasant) excluding fish and insects are considered red meat. Although poultry usually considered white, duck and goose are red. For some animals the culinary definition of red meat differs by cut, and sometimes by the age of the animal is when it was slaughtered. Pork is considered red if the animal is adult, but white if young (e.g. suckling pig) the same applies to young lamb, and veal. Game is sometimes put in a separate category altogether. (French: viandes noires — “dark meats”.)[5]

Although the USDA classifies pork as a red meat, given nutritional concerns, meat producers are eager to have their products considered “white”, so the United States National Pork Board has positioned their product as “Pork. The Other White Meat”, potentially using the confusion over the gastronomic and nutritional definition of red meat to infer that it is a safer product.[6][7]

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Lidane  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:45:30am

re: #486 Great White Snark

Good info. Thanks for clearing that up for me! :)

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wrenchwench  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:47:27am

re: #486 Great White Snark

excluding fish and insects are considered red meat

Insects! The other, other, other white meat!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:48:03am

re: #486 Great White Snark

Little more complicated than that.
en.wikipedia.org

Thanks. Real useful to know. I’m defiitely going to try to cut back and also do the whole meatless days thing. I’m going to look for good veggie entrees too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:48:46am

re: #488 wrenchwench

Insects! The other, other, other white meat!

Since hemocyanin is green, maybe they’re green meat?

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Snarknado!  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:50:52am

re: #486 Great White Snark

All true, but I was going by the (summary) WHO report.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:52:59am

re: #484 Great White Snark

IMO, any time the government mixes military action (covert or otherwise) with evangelism it’s bad news. They shouldn’t do it, ever. Full stop. President Obama should’ve put a stop to it and it appears he did as the article seems to be talking about it in the past tense.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:53:31am

re: #280 sagehen

How much “suffering” is a background check and a reduced level of gun-show anarchy?
Much worse, I guess, than the “suffering” of a grieving family.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:54:14am

re: #452 Amory Blaine

Right. I look down at my dinner plate and see items full of corn syrup (bbq sauce I’m looking at you) then for my vegetable, corn. Gahhh!!

And your meat is probably essentially disguised corn as well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:54:21am

re: #492 CuriousLurker

IMO, any time the government mixes military action (cover or otherwise) with evangelism it’s bad news. They shouldn’t do it ever. Full stop. President Obama should’ve put a stop to it and it appears he did as the article seems to be talking about it in the past tense.

Indeed, the Boykins of the military and unfortunately there are a lot of people like that especially at the AF academy I’ve read seem to see our military as a Christian force. It’s not and has never been that.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:55:46am

re: #446 The Vicious Babushka

If it’s real, Tess Eververse will be getting my Silver. That is an awesome emote and my Awoken girl will look awesome dancing it.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:58:00am

re: #336 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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After reading that I am absolutely seething at the unethical and outright evil of Abbott and Bowen.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 26, 2015 • 10:58:30am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Here. You can borrow my flamethrower.

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Great White Snark  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:01:49am

re: #492 CuriousLurker

IMO, any time the government mixes military action (cover or otherwise) with evangelism it’s bad news. They shouldn’t do it, ever. Full stop. President Obama should’ve put a stop to it and it appears he did as the article seems to be talking about it in the past tense.

Agreed. We simply can’t cross those red lines.

Real dilemma for Obama and the pentagon brass. That country is extremely dangerous given the illegalities and it’s leadership. Nut with nukes really. Sp much for Bill Clintons policy to keep NK from making nuclear weapons. Now how does anyone get info out of that place with clean hands? More info is less dangerous that fear of the unknown. Usually.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:03:29am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Indeed, the Boykins of the military and unfortunately there are a lot of people like that especially at the AF academy I’ve read seem to see our military as a Christian force. It’s not and has never been that.

Not only that, why use a Christian thing? Is that how they want to get people to resist Kim Jong-un’s government? What if it spirals out of control and we end up with a bunch of Christian jihadis running around—because that’s exactly what the world needs,. more religious extremists willing to die & kill for their religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:04:20am

I had to dispense a little sense this weekend about corn syrup.

The Older Boy has a bug up his ass about making caramel apples. He’s not satisfied with the idea of buying caramels, melting them, and using them to coat the apples. No, he has to make it from scratch. So, he’s following recipes, which include using some Karo corn syrup in addition to sugar, I believe because pure sucrose is more prone to crystallization than it is when you dope it with a mixture of glucose and fructose.

Mrs. FBW was about to get on his case for buying the Evil Corn Syrup!!! so I had to explain the chemistry.

Corn syrup, even High Fructose Corn Syrup, is not evil, is not poison, will not kill you if you touch a drop of it. The problem is not the chemistry, it’s how fucking cheap it is, and therefore how much of the stuff is in every fucking processed food. It’s a big part of why we’re so fat, and why we have teenage diabetics. It just makes it too easy and cheap to get calories without other nutrition.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:05:31am

re: #500 CuriousLurker

Not only that, why use a Christian thing? Is that how they want to get people to resist Kim Jong-un’s government? What if it spirals out of control and we end up with a bunch of Christian jihadis running around—because that’s exactly what the world needs,. more religious extremists willing to die & kill for their religion.

Right, if we’re going to be training NK opposition. We should be training people who are committed to democracy. Some of them may be Christians, some may be Buddhists, some may be something else, and some may not be religious at all. You’re right, we need less not more religious extremists and having Boykin in charge of anythign is dangerous. I am glad he’s no longer in the military. IMO he’s a disgrace to the uniform because he treats eveyone who isn’t a christofascist like him with contempt.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:05:39am

re: #486 Great White Snark

Little more complicated than that.
en.wikipedia.org

Then you have ostrich meat which by definition is fowl but very red in color. Wonder where that falls?

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sagehen  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:07:24am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but what exactly qualifies as red meat? I did roasted chicken last night and had some today too.

Beef, lamb and venison.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:07:35am

re: #499 Great White Snark

Agreed. We simply can’t cross those red lines.

Real dilemma for Obama and the pentagon brass. That country is extremely dangerous given the illegalities and it’s leadership. Nut with nukes really. Sp much for Bill Clintons policy to keep NK from making nuclear weapons. Now how does anyone get info out of that place with clean hands? More info is less dangerous that fear of the unknown. Usually.

And if we end up with a POTUS from among the Christian nutburgers currently running for the GOP nomination, I can totally see them starting WWIII—or worse. No, no, NO, keep the religious stuff the HELL away from the running of the government.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:08:31am

re: #504 sagehen

Beef, lamb and venison.

Okay so pork basically is good? If it’s just those three, I can probably manage just fine since I don’t eat a ton of lamb and seldom ever eat venison.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:21:26am

re: #482 Lidane

Red meat is beef, IIRC.

Pork and chicken are white meat.

The pork industry has reeled you in with their “pork, the other white meat” ad campaign.

Pork is meat; chicken is poultry. These are USDA definitions. There is no ‘red meat’ definition in the food production world. The health ‘benefits’ and purported detriments come from the fat portion of the consumed flesh. Poultry has very little fat marbling. Meat has much more. Modern pork farming and breeding practices has reduced the amount of fat the pigs carry, hence, as compared to their more wild brethrine, are much less flavorful. That, and their diet sucks.

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Bird in the Paw  Oct 26, 2015 • 11:25:42am

re: #501 Blind Frog Belly White

Corn syrup, even High Fructose Corn Syrup, is not evil, is not poison, will not kill you if you touch a drop of it. The problem is not the chemistry, it’s how fucking cheap it is, and therefore how much of the stuff is in every fucking processed food. It’s a big part of why we’re so fat, and why we have teenage diabetics. It just makes it too easy and cheap to get calories without other nutrition.

The argument about the increase relative ratios (HFCS is sold in a variety of ratios) of glucose/fructose has now devolved to ‘is the increase in fructose that is not 50/50 with glucose’, like good old sucrose gives us, a problem.

And that it is massively subsidized and is used for so many technical effects and simply as filler in foods.

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CleverToad  Oct 26, 2015 • 1:36:20pm

re: #306 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

re: #399 WhatEVs

I did not find most of the author’s arguments to be persuasive — tone was fanatical rather than reasonable? Agree that theocracy is a real concern, but don’t see religion itself as a threat. YMMV of course.

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palomino  Oct 26, 2015 • 2:32:03pm

re: #263 Dark_Falcon

If that was all it was, there’d likely be a compromise to be found. But it isn’t since even if such laws passed the next time some nut popped off and went on a rampage there’d be a fresh cry of “Do Something!” and more restrictions would be proposed.

So I’m sorry, but all gun-control proposals must be opposed by my side of the aisle. On this I’m with the wingnuts and I find the Democrats untrustworthy in this matter.

BBT

This is one of the reasons you stay with the GOP. You’re an absolutist—NO GUN SAFETY LAWS EVER! Like most GOPers, you’re not interested in governance or compromise. And, as I’ve said before, your worship of weapons shows you lack a moral compass.


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