Podcast o’ the Day: The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show, 10/29/15

Lies and lying liars
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Here’s the program for today’s Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show:

Magic Beans: Our Comprehensive Recap of the CNBC Republican Debate; Lies and Lying Liars; Nonsensical GOP Policy Ideas; Trump Lied About Rubio; Fiorina Lied About Everything; Ben Carson Lied About Corporate Affiliations; Ted Cruz Acted Like A Whiny Diaper Baby; Ben Carson Wants Fewer Gotcha Questions; What Happens When The Bubble Is Cracked; CNBC Is NOT Liberal; and much more.

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337 comments
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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2015 • 11:35:18am

I blame Obama.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 11:36:53am

re: #1 stpaulbear

I blame Obama.

thank you for observing your patriotic duty

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 31, 2015 • 11:56:26am
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:01:17pm

“One flew over the NBC moderator’s nest.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:05:16pm

re: #3 Ace-o-aces

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You’ll never find that violin, Hillary—it’s too small to be seen with the naked eye.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:08:04pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Get it right, DF-it’s CNBC, with one of the moderators was the creator of the Fucking Tea Party with his rant from CBOT. They’re a Fox-lite without the overt racism and misogyny.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:09:01pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:09:36pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:11:34pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Obama bows before the mock head of a foreign state!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:14:12pm

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Obama bows before the mock head of a foreign state!!!

That’s the way to make anybody bow to your greatness - have a tiny President.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:14:39pm

I haven’t seen any slutty CCJ costumes in the Halloween store.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:15:12pm

You want the mini-Pope? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE MINI-POPE!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:16:16pm

re: #12 Nyet

You want the mini-Pope? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE MINI-POPE!

the Prez is having a better week than Boehner, Ryan, and McConnell.

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:17:25pm

Bob and Chez did a pretty good job of summarizing the Republican carnival sideshow known as a debate.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:17:31pm

Kitteh dressed as a palindrome.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:18:14pm

Tiger Beat still exists! So random that CL mentioned it earlier & I found it on Gabe’s TL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:25:25pm

I am just 22 15 8 updings from 55K…please be generous folks, I live for these little random milestones in life

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:28:00pm

“I wanna watch the damn world series.”

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:30:22pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:31:15pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea Toujours

“If Mr. Trump deports 11 million people, every restaurant in America would shut down.”

Again, there is what The Trump says, and what is really going to happen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:33:11pm
Proposed venue for the next GOP debate
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:34:12pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea Toujours

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And of course that would be all Trump’s fault. It would have nothing to do with Restaurants clinging to a business model that can only survive on illegal immigrant labor and below minimum wages for their staff.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:36:01pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

the Prez is having a better week than Boehner, Ryan, and McConnell.

I don’t agree. Ryan just became speaker and between the three of them they got everything done this week that they wanted to do.

You want a Republican who had a bad week you ought to talk about Jeb Bush.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:38:46pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Not really saying something most of us didn’t already know, that you can’t remove 11 million people from the economy and suffer no ill effects. Contrary to the popular wingnut meme about the “real unemployment rate,” there are not 11 million “legal” Americans who are prepared to take on back-breaking, labor-intensive work for pocket change.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:39:28pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Ryan just became speaker and between the three of them they got everything done this week that they wanted to do.

You want a Republican who had a bad week you ought to talk about Jeb Bush.

They got things done, but at the cost of enraging a lot of people in their party. People with long memories and big chips on their shoulders…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:40:20pm

OT, but I had a regular doctor appointment yesterday and it was end-of-the-year wellness stuff for the most part, including vaccines.
Since I still am unable to drive, MrBWS drove and, while sitting in the waiting room, was unable to avoid getting a flu shot for the very first time in his life (at the age of 60) because I sent one of the nurses out there with a vaccine shot with his name on it.
Hopefully I can avoid the collateral whinging of the manflu this year…

bwahahaaa!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:40:22pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Not really saying something most of us didn’t already know, that you can’t remove 11 million people from the economy and suffer no ill effects. Contrary to the popular wingnut meme about the “real unemployment rate,” there are not 11 million “legal” Americans who are prepared to take on back-breaking, labor-intensive work for pocket change.

Any rational person knows that, the only people who believe otherwise are, well, Republican base voters.

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Stuff Happens  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:42:39pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Ryan just became speaker and between the three of them they got everything done this week that they wanted to do.

You want a Republican who had a bad week you ought to talk about Jeb Bush.

Has Jeb! ever had a good week?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:43:06pm

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They got things done, but at the cost of enraging a lot of people in their party. People with long memories and big chips on their shoulders…

Which means nothing to John Boehner, since he has retired. Paul Ryan didn’t get tarred by it much and he can count on election coverage to make people forget (most of those people you’re thinking of don’t really have long memories). The only one who might get some blowback is McConnell and he’s the best at handling it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:43:57pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Ryan just became speaker and between the three of them they got everything done this week that they wanted to do.

You want a Republican who had a bad week you ought to talk about Jeb Bush.

The President got most of what he wanted.
The GOP got zip.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:44:42pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Which means nothing to John Boehner, since he has retired. Paul Ryan didn’t get tarred by it much and he can count on election coverage to make people forget (most of those people you’re thinking of don’t really have long memories). The only one who might get some blowback is McConnell and he’s the best at handling it.

You’re discussing a political party that has been nursing a grudge since the New Deal, whose base has grievances going back to the Civil War. Trust me, they’re not going to forget that Ryan effectively sold their asses out this week.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:45:46pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:46:20pm

Baby Whisperer.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:47:01pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

The President got most of what he wanted.
The GOP got zip.

So they didn’t want that additional DoD funding or those entitlement reforms (small though those were)?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:47:25pm

55K!!! Thank you all!!!

I can sign off now and go bask in my glory

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:48:29pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

So they didn’t want that additional DoD funding or those entitlement reforms (small though those were)?

LOL, that’s why they are celebrating so much.

oh wait…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:48:40pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT, but I had a regular doctor appointment yesterday and it was end-of-the-year wellness stuff for the most part, including vaccines.
Since I still am unable to drive, MrBWS drove and, while sitting in the waiting room, was unable to avoid getting a flu shot for the very first time in his life (at the age of 60) because I sent one of the nurses out there with a vaccine shot with his name on it.
Hopefully I can avoid the collateral whinging of the manflu this year…

bwahahaaa!!!!

I was just shopping at Safeway yesterday and they had a sign at the pharmacy counter offering 10% off on your bill if you got a flu shot—I was sorely tempted but I was in kind of a hurry. Next time, maybe.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:49:05pm

re: #1 stpaulbear

I blame Obama.

I blame Blatz.

Blatz — It’s what’s for Halloween
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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:49:12pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. Ryan just became speaker and between the three of them they got everything done this week that they wanted to do.

You want a Republican who had a bad week you ought to talk about Jeb Bush.

It’d amazing what you can do when you don’t pander to the crazy rightwing. They need to do that more often.

But even after saying that I don’t consider them to much to the left of the crazy rightwing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:49:54pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Any rational person knows that, the only people who believe otherwise are, well, Republican base voters.

Hell, they think ill eagles vote—and that’s why they lose alla time!

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:49:54pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT, but I had a regular doctor appointment yesterday and it was end-of-the-year wellness stuff for the most part, including vaccines.
Since I still am unable to drive, MrBWS drove and, while sitting in the waiting room, was unable to avoid getting a flu shot for the very first time in his life (at the age of 60) because I sent one of the nurses out there with a vaccine shot with his name on it.
Hopefully I can avoid the collateral whinging of the manflu this year…

bwahahaaa!!!!

I spent a lot of time in waiting rooms this year, and noticed that there were seemingly ‘regulars’ who accompanied folks to the doctor, but stayed in the waiting room. I started calling them ‘waiting room wranglers’. My last eye appointment there was a guy who was really good at it. He was able to strike up a conversation with anyone because he had many topics to get into, and he was bilingual, just like all my doctors and nurses.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:51:27pm
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:51:43pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, that’s why they are celebrating so much.

oh wait…

Whether someone is celebrating or screaming does not determine if they got something they wanted. Haven’t you ever had to deal with a spoiled child who got 90% of what he or she wanted but threw a fit over not getting the other 10%?

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BeachDem  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:51:55pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea Toujours

Tiger Beat still exists! So random that CL mentioned it earlier & I found it on Gabe’s TL.

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And Charles P. Pierce calls Politico “Tiger Beat on the Potomac” (speaking of random.)

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:52:47pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Whether someone is celebrating or screaming does not determine if they got something they wanted. Haven’t you ever had to deal with a spoiled child who got 90% of what he or she wanted but threw a fit over not getting the other 10%?

Yeah, we’ve been watching it with the GOP for 4 years now, when (as Boehner put it) they got 98% of what they wanted in the debt deal that gave us sequester, and have spent every day since trying to get the other 2%.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:53:17pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Whether someone is celebrating or screaming does not determine if they got something they wanted. Haven’t you ever had to deal with a spoiled child who got 90% of what he or she wanted but threw a fit over not getting the other 10%?

hahahaaa…
You are being so funny today!

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:54:38pm

Or the Bush tax cuts, when they had to “settle” for making all but the very top bracket cuts permanent.

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Poligeek  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:54:39pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Whether someone is celebrating or screaming does not determine if they got something they wanted. Haven’t you ever had to deal with a spoiled child who got 90% of what he or she wanted but threw a fit over not getting the other 10%?

I know you’re typically a bit.. skewed in your thinking, but are you SERIOUSLY trying to suggest that the GOP got 90% of what they wanted in this budget deal? (Because we know they’re the spolied, crying, screaming, irrational child in your scenario)

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:55:06pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaaa…
You are being so funny today!

Would you admit that I have a point about Republicans getting something they wanted, even if the talk-show hosts went batshit?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:55:45pm

re: #48 Poligeek

I know you’re typically a bit.. skewed in your thinking, but are you SERIOUSLY trying to suggest that the GOP got 90% of what they wanted in this budget deal? (Because we know they’re the spolied, crying, screaming, irrational child in your scenario)

No, but they got 70%.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:57:51pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Would you admit that I have a point about Republicans getting something they wanted, even if the talk-show hosts went batshit?

No.
You keep forgetting that I’m a Republican in Kentucky who has a ringside seat to the GOP insanity that is Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie.
ALL of them are whining.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 12:59:24pm

[…]

Esti Zizuva, 80, had been dead for 11 days upon arrival at the airport in a cardboard box wrapped in plastic, the report said.

Israel’s ZAKA emergency service within hours located the woman’s relatives, who said it had been the woman’s will to be buried in Israel.

“They innocently decided to send her for burial,” a ZAKA spokesman was cited as telling Channel 2 television, The Times of Israel reported. “Since they didn’t know the procedures, they decided to send her as baggage.”

Despite the unconventional method, the woman’s wish is to be fulfilled: Once the paperwork is completed she will be buried in Ashdod, the report said.

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:01:21pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

No.
You keep forgetting that I’m a Republican in Kentucky who has a ringside seat to the GOP insanity that is Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie.
ALL of them are whining.

We all know even if the Republicans got 100% of what they wanted they would still whine they didn’t get it fast enough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:02:38pm

This is how low the GOP has sunk in pandering to the wingnuts:
I absentee voted last week because my broken arm will prevent me from driving to my polling place on Tuesday.
I voted for the sanest Republicans on the ballot for governor and other state offices.
Each and every one of them is a center-right blue dog Democrat.
That’s how bad today’s GOP has become.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:02:52pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that’s something you do that bothers me, you never admit I’ve got a point. Even when I answer effectively you just move onto something else.

The Republicans got something greater than zero out of the budget level discussions or there would have been no agreement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:10:04pm

laughing so hard right now while shaking my head in amazement…

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:11:40pm

The “moderates” who ended up voting for the deal got something out of it. The anarchists who wanted to see the government brought to its knees by a combined shutdown and default got nothing out of the deal, they in fact got totally screwed by it.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:12:17pm

Halloween cookies inspired by the 1958 flick The Crawling Eye, from the my house is cuter than yours blog:

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Poligeek  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:14:01pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems like the moderators are being a little tough on some people :P Perhaps a formal letter to their parent network might soothe the ouchies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:15:27pm

What the GOP got out of it was literally not getting what most of their caucus wanted out of it. The victory they achieved was not shooting themselves in the foot, again and again.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:15:31pm

re: #38 De Kolta Chair

I blame Blatz.

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The only beer whose name sounds like the gas it makes the next morning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:16:39pm

re: #61 Barefoot Grin

The only beer whose name sounds like the gas it makes the next morning.

Well, there’s also Schlitz….

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:16:43pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, in fairness, the WWII era tank they’ve been using to shoot themselves in the foot needed maintenance this week

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:16:54pm

I can’t remember which of you said it but the phrase “GOP clown bus will break down at Donner Pass” made me laugh so hard.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:17:17pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

And that’s something you do that bothers me, you never admit I’ve got a point. Even when I answer effectively you just move onto something else.

If we’re going to talk about things people do in discussions that bother us, the part where you completely ignore things that would be hard questions, or pull out the patented BBL is kind of bothersome as well.

Might be part of why people don’t bother having an actual discussion with you, because there’s rarely any point.

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:17:25pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

No, but they got 70%.

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

And that’s something you do that bothers me, you never admit I’ve got a point. Even when I answer effectively you just move onto something else.

The Republicans got something greater than zero out of the budget level discussions or there would have been no agreement.

0 <> 70% (off by 70%)

Just sayin’.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:17:45pm

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, there’s also Schlitz….

Come on over! We’ll have some Schlitz ‘n’ Blatz.

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Poligeek  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:18:28pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

What the GOP got out of it was literally not getting what most of their caucus wanted out of it. The victory they achieved was not shooting themselves in the foot, again and again.

To be fair, that’s kind of a big and rare accomplishment for them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:19:43pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

And that’s something you do that bothers me, you never admit I’ve got a point. Even when I answer effectively you just move onto something else.

The Republicans got something greater than zero out of the budget level discussions or there would have been no agreement.

What they got was not having to take the PR hit of another government shutdown in an election year. They think it’ll work, but in my opinion the screeching of the howler monkeys will rub the public just as much the wrong way as a real shutdown would.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:19:47pm

re: #68 Poligeek

To be fair, that’s kind of a big and rare accomplishment for them.

And the only way they could get it was for the Democrats to give it to them. Think about that. The Democrats saved the Republicans from driving their own car over the cliff.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:22:25pm

re: #63 KGxvi

Well, in fairness, the WWII era tank they’ve been using to shoot themselves in the foot needed maintenance this week

That’s not funny.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:24:05pm

I so love it when the GOP blasts my mailbox with this junk around election time…

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:24:49pm

re: #69 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What they got was not having to take the PR hit of another government shutdown in an election year. They think it’ll work, but in my opinion the screeching of the howler monkeys will rub the public just as much the wrong way as a real shutdown would.

No it won’t, because most people don’t read the howler’s tweets or visit political websites where the howlers lurk. A shutdown would have been far more visible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:24:56pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Come on over! We’ll have some Schlitz ‘n’ Blatz.

and Pabtz!

Three beer names that sound like farts.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:24:56pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, look at all those checkmarks. I’m convinced!!!!

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:25:03pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Come on over! We’ll have some Schlitz ‘n’ Blatz.

Schlatz
A delicious beer created by mixing equal portions Schlitz and Blatz. A favorite of wisconsinites and other midwesterners of nordic ancestry. Less commonly referred to as a blitz.

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:25:40pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea Toujours

.@Bourdain: “If Mr. Trump deports 11 million people, every restaurant in America would shut down.” t.co

— ¡Gabe! Ortíz (@TUSK81) October 31, 2015

Few people in the spotlight understands this more than Anthony Bourdain, who has given much love to the immigrants that run America’s foodservice industry, especially in fine dining (where’s he’s said there’s Hispanic cooks, like his buddy Carlos at Les Halles [who replaced Bourdain as head chef there as Bourdain’s media career took off], that cook more French than the French), multiple times in pretty much every series and book he’s done.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:26:04pm

re: #61 Barefoot Grin

The only beer whose name sounds like the gas it makes the next morning.

Well, it is brewed by Miller, so…

Walter Cronkite sign-off

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:28:38pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

Holy Schlatz! That’s a thing. Once I had a Bud and a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale in the fridge. I decided to see if I could improve the Bud with the SNPA. I declared the concoction “potable.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:28:57pm

See, the “moderates” can go back home and say “We got much-needed defense spending back and we got the President to agree to reforms to welfare programs.”

What do the wingnuts say when they get home? Not about what they won, but about the betrayal of their own party members, who supported this deal against the wishes of the majority of the party, who threw away the chance they had at getting “real” reform and getting the cuts that they feel we so desperately need to “give” the President another trillion to blow and leave the debt to our grandkids.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:30:44pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

See, the “moderates” can go back home and say “We got much-needed defense spending back and we got the President to agree to reforms to welfare programs.”

What do the wingnuts say when they get home? Not about what they won, but about the betrayal of their own party members, who supported this deal against the wishes of the majority of the party, who threw away the chance they had at getting “real” reform and getting the cuts that they feel we so desperately need to “give” the President another trillion to blow and leave the debt to our grandkids.

End result: moderates will be primaried out or start running to the right to avoid being primaried out. All sane people lose. Moderate Republican voters will ignore this because GO TEAM.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:30:55pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

Is there a “Shart” beer? AFAF….

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:32:39pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Which, really is what each faction wants. The moderates are likely in competitive districts and if they want to keep their seats have to show they can get shit done. The radicals, on the other time, can go home to their safe (gerrymandered) districts and say they stood up for what was right but were betrayed by RINOS and that why they need to be sent back to keep up the good fight, otherwise we will slip into a dystopian communist nightmare.

This makes sense as long as you remember the first priority of any politician is to win reelection

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:33:52pm

re: #82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is there a “Shart” beer? AFAF….

The local U. has a Fine Arts Center Theater which Mr. w calls the Fine Arts Repertory Theater.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:34:15pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Pabtz!

Three beer names that sound like farts.

This guy had to be farting when they shot this ad:

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sagehen  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:35:05pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

The President got most of what he wanted.
The GOP got zip.

The GOP gets to keep the craziest part of their crazy off the front pages during an election year.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:36:25pm

Have I just stumbled into the beer fart thread?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:36:57pm

re: #86 sagehen

The GOP gets to keep the craziest part of their crazy off the front pages during an election year.

They think. I just don’t believe they understand yet quite how crazy these goobers are. “I won’t be ignored….”

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:38:55pm

re: #87 b_sharp

Have I just stumbled into the beer fart thread?

Could you leave the door open?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:40:18pm

re: #87 b_sharp

Have I just stumbled into the beer fart thread?

We’re not so limited as that.

Discussion of other kinds of farts would be acceptable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:40:32pm

re: #87 b_sharp

Have I just stumbled into the beer fart thread?

It was either beer farts or how the GOP won so much in the debt limit/budget thingie…

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:40:35pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Could you leave the door open?

And don’t forget to strike a match.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:41:20pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Six of one, half dozen of the other

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:42:10pm

re: #90 The Ghost of the Beardsman

We’re not so limited as that.

Discussion of other kinds of farts would be acceptable.

I know only one kind of fart - smelly.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:45:25pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Six of one, half dozen of the other

Doesn’t that add up to 12?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:46:36pm
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gwangung  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:47:30pm

Apropos of nothing…..an interesting observation:

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:47:53pm

re: #95 b_sharp

My grandfather was a baker, so should be 13

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:48:26pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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It’s supremely easy to point out how much of a nutter he is, but hard as hell to deal with all the wingnuts screaming “Libruls are the real racists!!!”

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:52:36pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

There is a certain amount of “he’s one of the good ones (if you know what I mean)” going on within the wingularity. That makes it hard for republicans to attack him the way they’ve attacked Obama the last seven years.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:56:32pm

re: #94 b_sharp

I know only one kind of fart - smelly.

I remember Billy Crystal and Christopher Guest as the Neighborhood Guys™ on SNL 30 years ago—

Chris comes out of bathroom, Billy says “So can I use my own bathroom now?”

“Ahh—I’d let things simmer down in there a while first.”

“Tell me—could you eat any more Mexican food?”

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:57:40pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

4. It’s hard to go after Ben Carson. The neurosurgeon is on the cusp of becoming the national frontrunner for the GOP nomination. And his favorability numbers are through the roof — often topping 85 percent nationally and in Iowa.
………snip………….
And to a question from the moderators about Carson’s involvement on the Costco’s board, the audience gave the moderators a chorus of boos. Indeed, polls show that voters opt for Carson because of his honesty and empathy — and trust other candidates more on policy.

Because Republican voters don’t care that he’s an inexperienced economic ninny, or a lying shill for a snake oil remedy. And media organizations are so afraid of losing ad dollars that they don’t want to burst that bubble.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:59:09pm

re: #102 jaunte

Because Republican voters don’t care that he’s an inexperienced economic ninny, or a lying shill for a snake oil remedy. And media organizations are so afraid of losing ad dollars that they don’t want to burst that bubble.

It’s that whole “Who would you rather have a beer with” BS rearing its ugly head again. Because never in our history has that backfired, has it? *couReagangh* *couDubyagh* Damn cough.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 1:59:37pm

re: #95 b_sharp

Doesn’t that add up to 12?

I had a professor who used to say, ‘Half of one and six dozen of the other’, but I forget what it was in reference to….

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:03:06pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

I know if a Democratic presidential candidate had made paid speeches touting some bogus healing tonic and then actually denied having a professional relationship with the company the RWNJs would be freaking out.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:06:26pm

re: #105 jaunte

I know if a Democratic presidential candidate had made paid speeches touting some bogus healing tonic and then actually denied having a professional relationship with the company the RWNJs would be freaking out.

Don’t even have to imagine it, just look at how much time and energy that has been poured into presenting the Clinton Foundation as a den of scum and villainy, with even the “liberal media” devoting great amounts of time and energy to perpetuating the idea of it as a liability for Hillary.

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Kid A  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:08:17pm

Shot this Corp of Cadets’ senior boots at the Texas A&M game while hustling down the sideline today.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:11:05pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

I had a professor who used to say, ‘Half of one and six dozen of the other’, but I forget what it was in reference to….

Relative worth of political candidates from various parties?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:14:33pm
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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:14:40pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

I don’t think it’s the “who’d you like to have a beer with” element. Carson doesn’t strike me as someone anybody would want to have a beer with. I do think, within the wingularity, they see Obama as an angry black man and Carson is the complete opposite of that (playing into the he’s one of the good ones I mentioned above). As far as the media going after him - theres this weird thing going on where if the MSM attacks any republican (save Jeb) the wingnuts see this as validation and it actually makes them more popular. Carson and Trump benefit from this the most. There are very strange political dynamics on display this year - I can’t remember a national election like it. The closest thing is what happened to the California GOP in the aughts - they started losing power and became more extreme and it was reinforced by an information bubble driven by talk radio and the blogosphere in its infancy. Since 2007 they’ve lost not only a percentage of the electorate (34% to 28%) they’ve lost in real numbers and independents are within five percent of them.

I doubt we will see something parallel nationally, because of he unique local political histories, but that’s the only thing that jumps to mind

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CleverToad  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:15:53pm

OT aside:
Halloween decorations are up — fake spiderweb draped over the tree and bushes in front of the house, fake spiders distributed, pumpkin leaf bags in place. Halloween candy in the plastic pumpkin for distribution (with another bag of the good chocolate stuff stashed in case of need). Teenager has his costume ready to lurk in the darkness by the front door. Spouse and I have our skeleton gloves and silly headgear. Elderly mother’s stairlift has been decorated as a werewolf/wizard with glowing eyes.

Nice sunny day in the Denver Metro area, wind not too bad, temp amazingly warm for Halloween. (Denver rule of thumb is to always design trick-or-treat outfits that will fit over a warm coat. Sometimes with snow boots.) A couple of hours to relax before the small trick-or-treaters start their rounds. We live half a block from an elementary school, so we usually go through at least one bowl of candy.

I get to SIT for awhile now…
Happy Halloween to all the Lizards who celebrate this chocolate-filled holiday

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CleverToad  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:18:05pm

re: #58 De Kolta Chair

Halloween cookies inspired by the 1958 flick The Crawling Eye, from the my house is cuter than yours blog:

One hopes those taste a whole lot better than they look.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:18:15pm

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Relative worth of political candidates from various parties?

I do remember the professor, he didn’t teach political science, he taught music, poetry, stuff like that. He also threw some great poker parties and smoked cigars heavily while playing cards, and got his hair cut once a year ‘whether it needed it or not’.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:21:18pm

HeliYUM | Heliumbier | Biertest

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:27:59pm

re: #105 jaunte

I know if a Democratic presidential candidate had made paid speeches touting some bogus healing tonic and then actually denied having a professional relationship with the company the RWNJs would be freaking out.

But the left/liberal Dems would be finding ways to minimize or excuse that candidate’s actions as long as the GOP was attacking and the primary was far enough away. “Go team, go!” isn’t just Republican, after all.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:28:45pm

Great photos. Nothing to do with Halloween.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:30:34pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Why it’s so hard to attack Ben Carson:

I recall a newsmax meadline “Carson is the Anti-Obama”

Which makes him, then, the Anti-Anti-Christ

Which sums up his conservative appeal.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:31:06pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

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Great photos. Nothing to do with Halloween.

They just found out one the judges for their event is John Harwood.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:32:49pm

re: #40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, they think ill eagles vote—and that’s why they lose alla time!

ACORN registers illegals and gives them free Obamaphones!

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:33:15pm

re: #114 GlutenFreeJesus

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Video

My German is pretty minimal, but I think they found it difficult to comment on the flavor.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:35:05pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

But the left/liberal Dems would be finding ways to minimize or excuse that candidate’s actions as long as the GOP was attacking and the primary was far enough away. “Go team, go!” isn’t just Republican, after all.

I think being willing to accept blatant, easily debunked lies like the ones Trump and Carson told in the last debate is a sign of a fundamental weakness in a political party.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:35:09pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

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Great photos. Nothing to do with Halloween.

I thought the one in the middle was John Belushi for a second….

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:35:34pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:36:50pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:40:43pm

re: #121 jaunte

I think being willing to accept blatant, easily debunked lies like the ones Trump and Carson told in the last debate is a sign of a fundamental weakness in a political party.

FTFY

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:41:51pm

And this week’s Republican debate netted CNBC it’s highest debate ratings ever, with 14 million people watching. But despite that it apparently under-performed the number advertisers were promised:

Network’s previous presidential debate drew 3.1 million viewers in 2011

CNBC’s GOP debate drew 14 million viewers on Wednesday, a record number for the business network.

The debate is a strong number for the network, which doesn’t have as large a built-in audience as its GOP debate predecessors, Fox News and CNN, which attracted 24 million and 23 million viewers, respectively.

CNBC sold out its advertising inventory ahead of the debate, charging $250,000 for a 30 second spot.

The Los Angeles Times reported that the network promised advertisers at least 15 million viewers, so they fell a million viewers short of that guarantee.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:42:21pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea Toujours

I don’t think these penguins are amused either…

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:45:42pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

No, but they got 70%.

And that’s why every single vote against it in the house came from Republicans.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:46:14pm
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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:47:41pm

And do remember its not just Republicans saying CNBC flummoxed its handling of the Republican debate this week:

The Biggest Loser Of The CNBC Debate Was Everyone

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:47:56pm

That was the great Halloween costume she was gushing about the other day? A PP doctor’s coat with fake blood on it?

Unoriginal in the extreme.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:49:00pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

And do remember its not just Republicans saying CNBC flummoxed its handling of the Republican debate this week:

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You’re reaching. Really.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:49:27pm

re: #129 Dr. Matt

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Women’s health and reproductive choice is a bad joke to these people…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:51:44pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:52:20pm

I’ve heard that talking point in recent days, “Both sides think it was a disaster!” But for totally different reasons.

The Right think the debate was a disaster because CNBC used “gotcha” questions and insulted the candidates, totally ruining the debate by making the candidates look ridiculous.

The Left think the debate was a disaster because the Republican candidates couldn’t handle tough questions, came off looking like whiny children, and put on a rather pathetic display of statesmanship.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:53:25pm

re: #132 Dr. Matt

You’re reaching. Really.

Not given how often people here have posted Colbert’s memes and video clips. And the clips Colbert chose really do bring out what a dick John Harwood was being.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:53:52pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

I think it was disaster because not one single of those 10 assholes has any business running for the Presidency.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:55:30pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Not given how often people here have posted Colbert’s memes and video clips. And the clips Colbert chose really do bring out what a dick John Harwood was being.

L O L

This is easy: Copy, Paste, Edit.

Now you’re really reaching. Really.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:57:04pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

Not given how often people here have posted Colbert’s memes and video clips. And the clips Colbert chose really do bring out what a dick John Harwood was being.

Honest question: do you think it is important for the President to be able to handle questions from potentially hostile questioners?

The GOP applauds it when reporters are dicks to President Obama, after all.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:57:09pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:57:49pm
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Poligeek  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:58:06pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Honest question: do you think it is important for the President to be able to handle questions from potentially hostile questioners?

The GOP applauds it when reporters are dicks to President Obama, after all.

Don’t be surprised if you get a hasty “BBL” :P

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:58:16pm

re: #134 klys (maker of Silmarils)

4 dead in mass shooting spree in downtown Colorado Springs

Just the setting for Dana Loesch to appear in her bloody nurse uniform…

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:58:45pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Honest question: do you think it is important for the President to be able to handle questions from potentially hostile questioners?

The GOP applauds it when reporters are dicks to President Obama, after all.

Let’s take a moment to remember how understanding the GOP and wingnuts were after Major Garrett used a presser about the Iranian deal to question the President about the 4 Americans in Iranian custody.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 2:58:51pm

re: #142 Poligeek

Don’t be surprised if you get a hasty “BBL” :P

He never did respond to WW’s question about why he downdinged the downstairs article.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:01:37pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Honest question: do you think it is important for the President to be able to handle questions from potentially hostile questioners?

The GOP applauds it when reporters are dicks to President Obama, after all.

No, I don’t. In general, I find it best for politicians to ignore clearly hostile questions unless they intend to attack the questioner. Otherwise, they should bestow a look of disdain upon the questioner and recite the relevant talking points.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:01:44pm

Obamacare isn’t trying to kill us, science, space, and technology is trying to kill us!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:01:46pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

And that’s something you do that bothers me, you never admit I’ve got a point. Even when I answer effectively you just move onto something else.

The Republicans got something greater than zero out of the budget level discussions or there would have been no agreement.

Sorry I had real life stuff to deal with when you wrote that but I have time now to respond.

You are so full of your rah rah GOP self that you actually never pay attention to actual responses that may agree with you, just lack of updings, which for some reason you feel you are entitled to and have to ask for them when they don’t show up for you.

Oh, and “greater than zero” is nothing to brag about, but if that’s the bar you’re going for, have at it.

As a Republican myself, I expect much MUCH more from the party than you apparently do.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:03:01pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t. In general, I find it best for politicians to ignore clearly hostile questions unless they intend to attack the questioner. Otherwise, they should bestow a look of disdain upon the questioner and recite the relevant talking points.

And how exactly will this help them when the questioner is not a hostile journalist, but rather a hostile foreign leader who is looking for a bit more than a stump speech?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:03:55pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t. In general, I find it best for politicians to ignore clearly hostile questions unless they intend to attack the questioner. Otherwise, they should bestow a look of disdain upon the questioner and recite the relevant talking points.

I’m sure that will go over well in negotiations with foreign leaders.

Seriously. You think it’s acceptable for someone who wants to lead this country to stay inside their bubble and not have to deal with another point of view.

I don’t really have words for that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:04:18pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

And how exactly will this help them when the questioner is not a hostile journalist, but rather a hostile foreign leader who is looking for a bit more than a stump speech?

“Recite[ing] the relevant talking points” is all that matters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:04:41pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

And how exactly will this help them when the questioner is not a hostile journalist, but rather a hostile foreign leader who is looking for a bit more than a stump speech?

If “hostile” is defined as “someone who questions your underlying assumptions about society, the economy or your own qualifications” then you have no means of dealing with actual hostility.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:06:18pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

re: #150 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Chris Christie: “Now, that being said, if you’re running for President of the United States and you can’t handle yourself against three CNBC moderators without, you know, crying foul and calling for intervention, then you’re not gonna do very well against Vladimir Putin either. So I’m not going to complain about it.”

BOOM!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:06:45pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Chris Christie: “Now, that being said, if you’re running for President of the United States and you can’t handle yourself against three CNBC moderators without, you know, crying foul and calling for intervention, then you’re not gonna do very well against Vladimir Putin either. So I’m not going to complain about it.”

BOOM!

Clearly a RINO.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:07:10pm

re: #154 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Clearly a RINO.

Librul Plant

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It's on his hat!  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:07:14pm

Apparently “your math doesn’t add up, please explain” is now hostile questioning.

I’ll be sure to respond that way at work the next time someone wants an answer to a technical question.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:07:40pm

Ya’ll, grab some Halloween cheer.

Or at least get into the candy stash.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:07:53pm

We’re 7 minutes into “official” T-o-T time, and no early birds yet.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:07:55pm

re: #145 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He never did respond to WW’s question about why he downdinged the downstairs article.

I did give him an ‘if you wish’ out on that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:08:13pm

re: #155 Dr. Matt

Librul Plant

Obama hugger

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:08:13pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

And how exactly will this help them when the questioner is not a hostile journalist, but rather a hostile foreign leader who is looking for a bit more than a stump speech?

It won’t. My answer wasn’t geared towards handling that sort of situation .

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:08:21pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

I think this would be more appropriate.

Image: Death-Build-Thunderdome.jpg

Fifteen people enter! One person leaves!

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:09:36pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

We’re 7 minutes into “official” T-o-T time, and no early birds yet.

I just had a kitteh, who let me scratch between her ears.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:10:30pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

It won’t. My answer wasn’t geared towards handling that sort of situation .

Then you’re missing the point of the whole endeavor. These debates are not simply about giving the candidates air time, else we wouldn’t even both with the questions. They’re supposed to be about probing the candidates, laying out their proposals, and allowing us to see what there is to them. It’s just about much about seeing how they stand up under pressure as it is getting their talking points out there.

If Wednesday’s performance is how the GOP handles itself under pressure, then Hillary has next fall in the bag.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:10:59pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

It won’t. My answer wasn’t geared towards handling that sort of situation .

But my question was. I didn’t say hostile reporter. I said hostile questioner.

Bottom line: I believe the candidates should be able to handle hard questions from people who don’t necessarily agree with them on everything. The GOP is whining because they apparently disagree with this premise, but they want me to think it would be different if dealing with foreign leaders.

Sorry, I don’t buy that. That you do is disgusting.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:11:14pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

I just had a kitteh, who let me scratch between her ears.

Kitty must be afraid of the dark.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:11:38pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

We’re 7 minutes into “official” T-o-T time, and no early birds yet.

Been and gone here in Germany, where I was surprised to see how the tradition is catching on here. Hardly existed when I came here in 1988 outside US Army bases and a few isolated villages where the Celts originally settled and the tradition endured as Klumpmennacht

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:15:02pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Been and gone here in Germany, where I was surprised to see how the tradition is catching on here. Hardly existed when I came here in 1988 outside US Army bases and a few isolated villages where the Celts originally settled and the tradition endured as Klumpmennacht

Wife was a 5yr old GI’s kid in FRG, 1953 or so. She caught hell when her dad found she and a bunch of her waif friends were getting candy handouts from the soldiers because the kids spoke German.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:17:19pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Kitty must be afraid of the dark.

2 yrs. old, if that. Sister in a tiny pink snuggie.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:19:30pm

I think it’s best to remember the lessons of that first televised debate back in 1960, where the radio listeners and TV viewers came away with totally different impressions. If you listened to the radio, Nixon came off as the winner, as he was the elder statesman who could handle the questions posed and came off sounding like he had a better grasp on things. But if you watched TV, all you saw was Nixon sweating like a pig onstage while Kennedy kept his cool and came off looking like the guy who could handle the pressure.

If you can’t handle the pressure presented by answering hard questions like how you make your budget proposal work, then how in the hell do you expect to handle foreign leaders or even the opposition party leader at home?

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:19:30pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Chris Christie: “Now, that being said, if you’re running for President of the United States and you can’t handle yourself against three CNBC moderators without, you know, crying foul and calling for intervention, then you’re not gonna do very well against Vladimir Putin either. So I’m not going to complain about it.”

BOOM!

Christie may be a raging dick, but he at least does have some lucid moments, which is more than I can say about the rest of the GOP field.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:20:33pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:22:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:23:01pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Rough day at middle school on Monday.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:27:55pm

Best $.82 costume ever.

External Image

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:28:16pm

re: #171 TedStriker

Christie may be a raging dick, but he at least does have some lucid moments, which is more than I can say about the rest of the GOP field.

He has a few redeeming features. Still would not vote for him, though, even if he had a chance of getting nominated.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:29:17pm

First wave hit—-Superhero/Disney Princess mix. I’m fending for myself tonight, Wife is across the state, supporting the granddaughter’s Rocky Horror Show shtick.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:30:06pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

First wave hit—-Superhero/Disney Princess mix. I’m fending for myself tonight, Wife is across the state, supporting the granddaughter’s Rocky Horror Show shtick.

What is the loot?

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Jenner7  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:30:15pm

Happy Halloween Lizards!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:31:43pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea Toujours

What is the loot?

Mostly Mars miniatures, but we’re supposed to have a backup stock of healthy crap I can eat if the good stuff runs out—raisins, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:32:32pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Mostly Mars miniatures, but we’re supposed to have a backup stock of healthy crap I can eat if the good stuff runs out—raisins, etc.

Come to the door with a beetroot and a big knife and start cutting off chunks…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:35:14pm

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Come to the door with a beetroot and a big knife and start cutting off chunks…

Bad enough we webbed the place and have a huge animated spider on the wall. Got an old strobe firing on the webs.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:35:38pm

Holy shit

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:37:04pm

re: #134 klys (maker of Silmarils)

More human sacrifices for the faith known as ‘Murica. The tree of liberty must be watered with blood!

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:38:00pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Mostly Mars miniatures, but we’re supposed to have a backup stock of healthy crap I can eat if the good stuff runs out—raisins, etc.

Get those Milky Way Midnights out of the bag. Dark chocolate! Good for you!

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:38:05pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

It won’t. My answer wasn’t geared towards handling that sort of situation .

But you need to extrapolate how one would handle a hostile situation. And since you have limited knowledge of how a given candidate would respond, this is a method to do so.

That said, it’s hardly hostile to question the very words or actions of the candidates. If they can’t defend those words or actions, they should change their concepts and behavior. Because that’s what they’re so pissy about, having things they’ve said and done be questioned - requiring defense of tge indefensible.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:39:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:40:06pm

Just called my brother in Colorado Springs. He says local media coverage is mostly worthless but Fox affiliate did report that the gunman was armed with a rifle. Two of the victims are women, third person unknown. The shooter was killed by police. The shootings apparently occurred on the street and over a fairly large area.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:42:18pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:42:50pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea Toujours

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:43:06pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t. In general, I find it best for politicians to ignore clearly hostile questions unless they intend to attack the questioner. Otherwise, they should bestow a look of disdain upon the questioner and recite the relevant talking points.

Klys asked you if you thought it was important for the President to be able to handle such questions. You answered with your typical focus on which strategy produces the best optics in such a situation. The question was essentially do you want a competent leader, your answer was instead that you want a cynical, lofty douchebag.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:44:03pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Get those Milky Way Midnights out of the bag. Dark chocolate! Good for you!

I think they’ll resent it if I start sifting through.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:44:21pm

re: #190 Romantic Heretic

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That one is a classic. !!!

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:45:03pm

Sorry I had to step back. Like Ba_Sl I had a real-world thing I had to do, in my case talking to my dad on the phone. He’s still in the hospital and things can pile up when you’re gone. Life is one of those things.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:45:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:45:07pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

Klys asked you if you thought it was important for the President to be able to handle such questions. You answered with your typical focus on which strategy produces the best optics in such a situation. The question was essentially do you want a competent leader, your answer was instead that you want a cynical, lofty douchebag.

Those were not “clearly hostile questions”, they were asking the sort of critical, probing questions a candidate should be able to answer, and not just spout the relevant talking points intended for those who are already going to vote for the GOP candidate regardless

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Jenner7  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:46:36pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Thinking of your family DF. :)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:47:51pm

Gators being all awesome right now!

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:47:51pm

My brother says one Colorado Springs TV station is continuing with a kiddie show, with no break-in or bulletin for the shooting downtown. Others had brief bulletins, then went on with their usual garbage.
Are we now so accustomed to mass shootings that yokel media will not even try to sensationalize them?

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:47:56pm

re: #191 goddamnedfrank

Klys asked you if you thought it was important for the President to be able to handle such questions. You answered with your typical focus on which strategy produces the best optics in such a situation. The question was essentially do you want a competent leader, your answer was instead that you want a cynical, lofty douchebag.

The douchebag has a better chance of getting elected in the modern communications environment.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:50:02pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

The douchebag has a better chance of getting elected in the modern communications environment.

Speaking for yourself.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:51:01pm

In line with the shooter theme, we just had a sniper in a very good ghillie suit and a bow-carrying Artemis. Is there a Greek goddess theme this year?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:51:48pm

Father-in-law update:

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:52:26pm

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Those were not “clearly hostile questions”, they were asking the sort of critical, probing questions a candidate should be able to answer, and not just spout the relevant talking points intended for those who are already going to vote for the GOP candidate regardless

“Is this just a comic book version of a campaign?” is clearly hostile. Not because of its object, for Trump’s campaign is clearly within bounds, but instead its hostile formulation.

Put another way, Harwood was within bounds on the issue, but asked the question in a hostile way. “How do you reply to the criticism that there is disorder in your campaign and message?” would have been an appropriate way to ask Donald Trump the same question.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:52:36pm

Now Trump is on the warpath against the WSJ.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:53:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:53:28pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Best of luck with it, for you and Mr BWS.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:53:32pm

What’s telling is that the most “hostile” question of the night was directed a Trump, and was merely based on the objective fact that his policies are totally impossible to carry out, being based as they are on the antithesis of observable reality. His entire campaign runs of nothing but raw, unsupported assertion.

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Jenner7  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:53:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:54:31pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

The douchebag has a better chance of getting elected in the modern communications environment.

No, the douchebag has a better chance of being nominated by your party because it’s riddle with racist, deliberately ignorant trash.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:54:38pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

The douchebag has a better chance of getting elected in the modern communications environment.

I thought you didn’t want to vote for Trump.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:55:24pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel

My brother says one Colorado Springs TV station is continuing with a kiddie show, with no break-in or bulletin for the shooting downtown. Others had brief bulletins, then went on with their usual garbage.
Are we now so accustomed to mass shootings that yokel media will not even try to sensationalize them?

Maybe its for the best. If a nut’s rampage is made into just another “Footage at 10”* story, then perhaps going on a rampage will appeal to fewer nuts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:56:44pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

“Is this just a comic book version of a campaign?” is clearly hostile. Not because of its object, for Trump’s campaign is clearly within bounds, but instead its hostile formulation.

Put another way, Harwood was within bounds on the issue, but asked the question in a hostile way. “How do you reply to the criticism that there is disorder in your campaign and message?” would have been an appropriate way to ask Donald Trump the same question.

Trump is a fucking comic book figure of a candidate, he was finally being called out on it. And about fucking time.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:57:14pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Maybe its for the best. If a nut’s rampage is made into just another “Footage at 10”* story, then perhaps going on a rampage will appeal to fewer nuts.

*: In the Central Time Zone, the later newscast is at 10pm instead of the 11pm time Eastern and Pacific.

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:58:21pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

“Is this just a comic book version of a campaign?” is clearly hostile. Not because of its object, for Trump’s campaign is clearly within bounds, but instead its hostile formulation.

Put another way, Harwood was within bounds on the issue, but asked the question in a hostile way. “How do you reply to the criticism that there is disorder in your campaign and message?” would have been an appropriate way to ask Donald Trump the same question.

It’s not comic book to call Mexicans rapists - on the campaign trail?

It’s not comic book to say you’re going to build a YOOUGE wall with a BEAUTIFUL CLASSY door that Mexico will pay for (which is beyond cost prohibitive, not to mention stupid) - on the campaign trail?

Should I go on?

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:58:27pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

*: In the Central Time Zone, the later newscast is at 10pm instead of the 11pm time Eastern and Pacific.

Same in the Mountain Zone. 10 PM.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:58:42pm

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Trump is a fucking cartoon candidate, he was finally being called out on it. And about fucking time.

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:59:06pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

Same in the Mountain Zone. 10 PM.

Amazingly, there’s even a few channels in the Eastern and Pacific time zones that run it at 10pm.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 3:59:47pm

I want to be able to dictate the terms of my job interviews the way the GOP does.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:00:17pm

re: #218 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Amazingly, there’s even a few channels in the Eastern and Pacific time zones that run it at 10pm.

The world is no longer limited to three networks!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:00:40pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

It is the job of candidates to run campaigns based on reality and not a comic book fantasy. Tit for tat.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:01:00pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

The world is no longer limited to three networks!

That sounds almost …progressive!

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:01:36pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

Bullshit. Defend your words or actions or STFU and stop being a freaking cartoon villain.

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gwangung  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:02:48pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion.

Yes, it is. Character speaks nonsense, it should be called out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:02:52pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Maybe its for the best. If a nut’s rampage is made into just another “Footage at 10”* story, then perhaps going on a rampage will appeal to fewer nuts.

So, ignore it and it will fade away…

O_o

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:05:27pm

The funny part is that the TPGOP went into a snit over a channel full of Wall Street fanbois. Santelli, Kudlow and Cramer—notorious Marxists, all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:05:53pm

re: #224 gwangung

Yes, it is. Character speaks nonsense, it should be called out.

The fact that nobody has dared to call him out is one of the reasons he is still a candidate and not a laughingstock.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:06:00pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

So I’m curious: who is supposed to call it out? Clearly not reporters, because you think that if reporters ask hostile questions they should be ignored or treated with disdain. Not debate moderators, now, because they’re supposed to be “neutral” in the face of insanity, apparently. You don’t expect it of your politicians, because otherwise they wouldn’t get re-elected and you let a lot slide in favor of re-election.

You even agree that there are a lot of wingnuts in the base. So who is supposed to get through to them? Who are you expecting to step up and say enough?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:08:57pm

re: #228 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So who is supposed to get through to them? Who are you expecting to step up and say enough?

That in a nutshell is what has happened to the GOP. Nobody dared call out or distance themselves from utter insanity and bullshit, and now it has become their core message.

Don’t like illegal immigrants? Deport ‘em all!!!

Don’t like birth control? Shutter Planned Parenthood!!!

Don’t like the IRS? Repeal the Tax Code!!!

Fer fuck’s sake, no normal person could support any of that.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:09:27pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

The fact that you think neutrality somehow does not include calling out abject racism and policies utterly antithetical to reality speaks volumes. Seriously, where is the line, and if Trump hasn’t crossed it can it even be crossed?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:09:30pm

Full dark, now—older kids who like the porch FX.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:09:50pm

re: #228 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I need to explain a bit: Its appropriate for reporters to call out candidate dishonesty, but the smart tactic for candidates facing a hostile reporters is to be dismissive.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:10:41pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

I need to explain a bit: Its appropriate for reporters to call out candidate dishonesty, but the smart tactic for candidates facing a hostile reporters is to be dismissive.

In other words, ignore the question because the person asking it isn’t being nice about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:10:56pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

I need to explain a bit: Its appropriate for reporters to call out candidate dishonesty, but the smart tactic for candidates facing a hostile reporters is to be dismissive.

And the really smart tactic is to cancel the next debate to avoid that situation arising again?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:11:01pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

I need to explain a bit: Its appropriate for reporters to call out candidate dishonesty, but the smart tactic for candidates facing a hostile reporters is to be dismissive.

So you’re giving candidates a pass. Great.

That doesn’t answer my question at all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:11:54pm

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the really smart tactic is to cancel the nest debate to avoid that situation arising again?

Or throw out the reporter and ban them from future events.

Because we haven’t see that this election season. Oh wait…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:12:50pm

re: #236 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Or throw out the reporter and ban them from future events.

Because we haven’t seen enough of that this election season.

FTFD

(fixed that for Donald)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:13:24pm

re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So you’re giving candidates a pass. Great.

That doesn’t answer my question at all.

You have been dismissed.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:13:44pm

This whole “vote for the sane” candidates isn’t doing much good when the insane ones keep getting treated as serious candidates. Part of that is asking them to explain their batshit crazy ideas as if they were serious proposals. Neutrality is one thing, acting as if the person you’re talking with isn’t two cans short of a sixpack is something else.

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Dark_Falcon  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:14:21pm

re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So you’re giving candidates a pass. Great.

That doesn’t answer my question at all.

I’m not giving them a pass, but its not usually good politics to engage someone who calls you out.

I know that answer isn’t helpful and I’m sorry it isn’t. But the problem is that morality and good politics run at cross-purposes on this point, at least in my read. Maybe I’m wrong. I wish I was.

But now I really do need to get going.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:15:04pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

Actions speak louder than words. I’m beginning to think some moderates are just fine with what the base is doing and advocating - or at least, perfectly willing to sacrifice the rest of the nation that they theoretically care for on the altar of their economic party loyalty.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:15:46pm

Took this photo a month or so ago. This sign has been growing over the last couple of years. He really, really hates Obama and Hillary. He now has a yard full of Trump signs.

Sorry, not wanting to reveal entire photo bucket account. Will find out how to post singe photo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:15:47pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

I’m not giving them a pass, but its not usually good politics to engage someone who calls you out.

I know that answer isn’t helpful and I’m sorry it isn’t. But the problem is that morality and good politics run at cross-purposes on this point, at least in my read. Maybe I’m wrong. I wish I was.

But now I really do need to get going.

Unfortunately, morality and good politics are both missing with the GOP deep bench right now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:15:49pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

I’m not giving them a pass, but its not usually good politics to engage someone who calls you out.

I know that answer isn’t helpful and I’m sorry it isn’t. But the problem is that morality and good politics run at cross-purposes on this point, at least in my read. Maybe I’m wrong. I wish I was.

But now I really do need to get going.

No, the problem is that you are perfectly willing to sacrifice your morality at the altar of good politics. You and many, many others.

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darthstar  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:16:43pm

I carved two pumpkins in less time than this person did one.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:17:37pm

re: #242 Barefoot Grin

Took this photo a month or so ago. This sign has been growing over the last couple of years. He really, really hates Obama and Hillary. He now has a yard full of Trump signs.

Link

My dog. I know I live close to crazies, but they don’t advertise.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:18:08pm

re: #245 darthstar

I carved two pumpkins in less time than this person did one.

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“Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Jack o’ Lantern!”

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:18:49pm

re: #246 Stanley Sea Toujours

My dog. I know I live close to crazies, but they don’t advertise.

He as an “alarm” of tin cans on a string just in case some crazy kids get any ideas.

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andres  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:18:54pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

It is not the place of debate moderators to call candidates out in that fashion. They need to speak in a neutral fashion.

Neutrality doesn’t mean that you can’t call bullshit on stupid statements. It means calling the stupid bullshit on everyone.

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Lancelot Link  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:19:55pm

re: #245 darthstar

That’s no pumpkin…

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:20:37pm

Anyone heard anything about a video claiming to have shot down a plane today and Russia moving troops because of it?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:20:43pm

OT (is there one?), but I would love to see Ryan Adams live doing some Taylor Swift songs. This version of Style I’m listening to is blistering.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:21:44pm

re: #251 Belafon

Anyone heard anything about a video claiming to have shot down a plane today and Russia moving troops because of it?

Is this about the plane in the Sinai?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:22:10pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

I’m not giving them a pass, but its not usually good politics to engage someone who calls you out.

I know that answer isn’t helpful and I’m sorry it isn’t. But the problem is that morality and good politics run at cross-purposes on this point, at least in my read. Maybe I’m wrong. I wish I was.

But now I really do need to get going.

I seriously think your advice sucks on a purely practical level, and that you have a very poor set of perceptive filters. Just because Trump has gotten this far with the GOP primary electorate by acting like a thin skinned bully doesn’t broadly validate cowardice and a craven refusal to directly address hard questions as a public relations strategy.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:22:32pm

re: #242 Barefoot Grin

Took this photo a month or so ago. This sign has been growing over the last couple of years. He really, really hates Obama and Hillary. He now has a yard full of Trump signs.

Sorry, not wanting to reveal entire photo bucket account. Will find out how to post singe photo.

Sometimes the Free Republic comments section just isn’t enough.

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:23:58pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

I’m not giving them a pass, but its not usually good politics to engage someone who calls you out.

I know that answer isn’t helpful and I’m sorry it isn’t. But the problem is that morality and good politics run at cross-purposes on this point, at least in my read. Maybe I’m wrong. I wish I was.

But now I really do need to get going.

But it’s completely fair game when Obama is asked inane stuff like about his birth certificate. Because GOPers, both elected and not, have been doing that since 2008.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:24:12pm

Maru!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:31:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:33:26pm

The crazies are literally taking over the party.

Republican presidential campaigns are planning to gather in Washington, D.C., on Sunday evening to plot how to alter their party’s messy debate process — and how to remove power from the hands of the Republican National Committee.

Not invited to the meeting: Anyone from the RNC, which many candidates have openly criticized in the hours since Wednesday’s CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado — a chaotic, disorganized affair that was widely panned by political observers.

On Thursday, many of the campaigns told POLITICO that the RNC, which has taken a greater role in the 2016 debate process than in previous election cycles, had failed to take their concerns into account. It was time, top aides to at least half a dozen of the candidates agreed, to begin discussing among themselves how the next debates should be structured and not leave it up to the RNC and television networks.

The gathering is being organized by advisers to the campaigns of Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham, according to multiple sources involved in the planning. Others who are expected to attend, organizers say, are representatives for Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum. The planners are also reaching out to other Republican candidates.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:34:45pm

re: #219 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I want to be able to dictate the terms of my job interviews the way the GOP does.

This.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:36:17pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

The crazies not literally taking over the party.

Herr Goebbels would be proud.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:38:06pm

In today’s OT frustrations, I replaced the battery in the remote so my fancy stitching lamp works again, but I am almost out of the white thread and still have a lot of French knots to go.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:44:29pm

Opened the Halloween candy. Had a Milky Way.

Was disappointed there are no Milky Way Midnights in my bag. :(

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:47:20pm

re: #263 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Opened the Halloween candy. Had a Milky Way.

Was disappointed there are no Milky Way Midnights in my bag. :(

None here, at least in the first bowl.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:48:50pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

None here, at least in the first bowl.

On the plus side, the regular was disappointing enough that I am not tempted to have another.

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:49:00pm

re: #256 WhatEVs

But it’s completely fair game when Obama is asked insane stuff like about his birth certificate. Because GOPers, both elected and not, have been doing that since 2008.

FTFY…

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:51:05pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

The crazies are literally taking over the party.

God help us…

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:51:43pm

V made up for Halloween.

V in Halloween Makeup
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:52:14pm

Chris Christie is making a desperate push for the racist vote in Iowa to keep his candidacy alive.

According to Time political reporter Zeke Miller, Christie said during a speech to Republicans in the Hawkeye State Saturday that “many” in the movement “advocate for the murder of police officers.”

Fellow Republican presidential candidates Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, and Rick Santorum also paid a visit to Iowa this weekend, where the New Jersey governor doubled down on comments he’d made during CBS’s “Face the Nation” the week before. President Obama, Christie argued on the Sunday show, “doesn’t back up the police. He justifies Black Lives Matter.”

“I don’t believe that that movement should be justified when they’re calling for the murder of police officers,” he told host John Dickerson. When Dickerson pushed back, telling the presidential hopeful that the activists are “not calling for the murder of police officers,” Christie stood his ground.

“Sure they are,” he said. “Sure they are. They have been chanting in the streets for the murder of police officers.”

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:52:55pm

OT NE Philly Trick or Treat Report: Kids are wandering around in the street going from house to house. My lights are out so no one stops here. I did not buy any candy and have no pennies to give out.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:53:29pm

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

OT NE Philly Trick or Treat Report: Kids are wandering around in the street going from house to house. My lights are out so no one stops here. I did not buy any candy and have no pennies to give out.

Shame on you.
///

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:54:32pm

re: #271 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Most of my money was spent on my house in the past year. :(

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:54:36pm

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

OT NE Philly Trick or Treat Report: Kids are wandering around in the street going from house to house. My lights are out so no one stops here. I did not buy any candy and have no pennies to give out.

We bought $28 worth of candy bars for one of my daughter’s school fundraisers, so we gave those out.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:55:13pm

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

We bought $28 worth of candy bars for one of my daughter’s school fundraisers, so we gave those out.

I have two big Costco bags of mini candies.

That are not tasty at all.

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:56:32pm

re: #269 Big Beautiful Door

Chris Christie is making a desperate push for the racist vote in Iowa to keep his candidacy alive.

He’s been spewing that crap for more than a week.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:56:46pm

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

We bought $28 worth of candy bars for one of my daughter’s school fundraisers, so we gave those out.

That’s about 5 bars around here. We just offer the teacher some cash.

277
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:57:09pm

Where’s mah candy?!

278
Jenner7  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:57:10pm
Roseanne Halloween episode…
279
CleverToad  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:57:13pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{strength and good wishes for the family}}

280
Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:57:42pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

So what I’m hearing is that they want all 14 of these clowns to be in the “big” debate, 7 at a time.

So two “debates” of 90 minutes each, with the participants being chosen randomly for the first or second show.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:59:03pm

re: #280 Skip Intro

So what I’m hearing is that they want all 14 of these clowns to be in the “big” debate, 7 at a time.

So two “debates” of 90 minutes each, with the participants being chosen randomly for the first or second show.

Surprised Trump would go along with that; he’s been questioning why Rand Paul is still in the adult debate.

282
Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:59:10pm

re: #268 b_sharp

Even with ghoul makeup, you see her beauty!!!! XO V!!

283
TedStriker  Oct 31, 2015 • 4:59:43pm

re: #280 Skip Intro

So what I’m hearing is that they want all 14 of these clowns to be in the “big” debate, 7 at a time.

So two “debates” of 90 minutes each, with the participants being chosen randomly for the first or second show.

Like I said above, God help us, because that’ll be even more of a shitshow than the last couple of “debates”.

284
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:00:10pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:00:40pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

ALL THOSE STUPID DOTS.

Ahem.

286
PhillyPretzel  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:00:50pm

Just posted my semiannual time message. It is time to fall back. Please check my page.

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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:01:02pm

re: #281 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is just one of the gang of 14. I’m guessing he’ll demand a third 90 minute debate with just him in it.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:01:26pm

re: #283 TedStriker

Like I said above, God help us, because that’ll be even more of a shitshow than the last couple of “debates”.

HRC approves this message.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:03:34pm

re: #283 TedStriker

Like I said above, God help us, because that’ll be even more of a shitshow than the last couple of “debates”.

Yeah, it doesn’t exactly help the argument that the debates should be held in a neutral fashion when you’re actually suggesting that guys like Jindal or Graham be treated as serious candidates who have serious proposals to sell to the American people.

290
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:07:48pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s OT frustrations, I replaced the battery in the remote so my fancy stitching lamp works again, but I am almost out of the white thread and still have a lot of French knots to go.

[Embedded content]

My wrists are crying in pain.
/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:08:38pm

re: #290 Not a Sparkly Vampire

My wrists are crying in pain.
/

Needlework stand says NOPE.

Shoulders, however…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:09:17pm

We’re more than half way through the normal T-o-T hours. Going to have to distribute mass quantities, or eat this stuff until the Christmas candy season. Turnout has been poor, but we have rain threatening.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:10:34pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Needlework stand says NOPE.

Shoulders, however…

That is some damn impressive work.

294
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:11:07pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

We’re more than half way through the normal T-o-T hours. Going to have to distribute mass quantities, or eat this stuff until the Christmas candy season. Turnout has been poor, but we have rain threatening.

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing.

295
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:14:07pm

Alisha Jaynes told KKTV-TV 11 News she was at an ATM when she saw a man with a gun walking calmly down the street.

Just like a typical open-carry protest.

296
ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:15:28pm

I was imagining ol’ Reince Priebus was was going to be having a scary Halloween weekend. After reading some of the recent comments, looks like this little animation I did fits…

Reince Priebus is seeing ghosts!!!
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CleverToad  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:15:38pm

re: #263 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Opened the Halloween candy. Had a Milky Way.

Was disappointed there are no Milky Way Midnights in my bag. :(

Gyp! Gyp! Gyp! Should demand another bag.

Just had our first kids stop by. Not quite dark yet, but twilight so the littlest ones should be starting.

298
Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:16:16pm

So, with a little over a week to go for Fallout 4, Bethesda’s just tease us with concept art from the game.

299
Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:16:25pm

re: #295 jaunte

Sounds like just another law abiding gun owner, until he wasn’t.

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CleverToad  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:16:27pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In today’s OT frustrations, I replaced the battery in the remote so my fancy stitching lamp works again, but I am almost out of the white thread and still have a lot of French knots to go.

[Embedded content]

That is soooo gorgeous.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:17:06pm

re: #293 Not a Sparkly Vampire

That is some damn impressive work.

Thank you! I want to get this finished because I need the frame it is on for my other piece (which I am hoping to finish by Christmas …hah…) so I’m frustrated that the floss won’t be here until Monday.

There was a distinct chance I would have pushed to finish it tonight otherwise.

302
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:17:19pm

re: #299 Skip Intro

Yes, kind of hard to tell what a gunman is going to do.

303
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:18:21pm

re: #280 Skip Intro

So what I’m hearing is that they want all 14 of these clowns to be in the “big” debate, 7 at a time.

So two “debates” of 90 minutes each, with the participants being chosen randomly for the first or second show.

I don’t think that’s unreasonable. News outlets shouldn’t decide candidates…whether they’re sane or not. If the RNC can’t control the Who, they should all be in the debate. That’s democratic (small d).

304
Great White Snark  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:20:01pm

Happy Halloween ya all! What’s cooking? Small party big meal here at RWC HQ. Smoked rosemary chicken, seared brats, and fancy burgers. Libations include Devils cut whiskey, Wicked Red wine, and shandys for the thirsty brits.

305
Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:20:02pm

re: #303 WhatEVs

But these aren’t news shows any more. They’re reality tv shows, and they’re on the air solely for ratings and to bring in as much advertising money as possible.

306
Jenner7  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:20:15pm

Off to trick or treating. Hopefully this is the last year…bbl.

307
b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:21:23pm

re: #282 Stanley Sea Toujours

Even with ghoul makeup, you see her beauty!!!! XO V!!

She say’s thanks.

308
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:22:05pm
309
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:22:08pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

Yeah, it doesn’t exactly help the argument that the debates should be held in a neutral fashion when you’re actually suggesting that guys like Jindal or Graham be treated as serious candidates who have serious proposals to sell to the American people.

I’d say both of them should be considered serious over Trump and Carson. Both are currently elected officials with experience. I don’t like either but I’m a dem.

I think it’s undemocratic for anyone other than the electorate to decide its own fate, good or bad.

310
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:23:02pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

We’re more than half way through the normal T-o-T hours. Going to have to distribute mass quantities, or eat this stuff until the Christmas candy season. Turnout has been poor, but we have rain threatening.

We had one door knock with four kids. That’s it.

311
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:24:13pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

I was imagining ol’ Reince Priebus was was going to be having a scary Halloween weekend. After reading some of the recent comments, looks like this little animation I did fits…

[Embedded content]

Did you make that? That’s awesome!!

312
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:24:21pm

We’ve had a big rain day in Houston, and so far zero trick-or-treaters have made it by.

313
Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:25:01pm

It’s so hot where I live that if any kids make it up the hill they’re going to want a beer.

314
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:25:13pm

re: #299 Skip Intro

Sounds like just another law abiding gun owner, until he wasn’t.

A good guy with a gun until he became a bad guy with a gun. Funny how that works.

315
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:26:33pm

re: #305 Skip Intro

But these aren’t news shows any more. They’re reality tv shows, and they’re on the air solely for ratings and to bring in as much advertising money as possible.

Even worse. And it’s freaking depressing.

316
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:27:03pm

re: #307 b_sharp

She say’s thanks.

She looks good, too. Healthy.

317
Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:28:13pm

re: #315 WhatEVs

I just read that while CNBC got 14 million viewers, they’d promised advertisers 15 million, so they’re going to have to refund some money.

Needless to say, they hate doing that.

318
The War TARDIS  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:30:06pm

For the first time in 3 years, I will not see the Doctor Who episode live.

A person invited me to a Pakistani event. So I will buy it on Google tomorrow and watch.

319
WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:30:30pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

I just read that while CNBC got 14 million viewers, they’d promised advertisers 15 million, so they’re going to have to refund some money.

Needless to say, they hate doing that.

Looks like people are getting tired of the clown show. I watched (because hubby wanted to) strictly for the lulz. There were none. Both of us are over it now. Even less ratings next time.

320
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:33:37pm

re: #310 WhatEVs

We had one door knock with four kids. That’s it.

321
ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:33:57pm

Regarding all this unfavorable CNBC crap. Am I totally wrong for thinking that CNBC was no more disrespectful than FOX with some of the same gotcha attempts used by the FOX gang, especially Ms. Kelly, in the first GOP debate? So, why is it CNBC only they are pissed at? I think we know that answer.

I guess when you really do not want a discussion on economy/taxes/markets/money the way to get out of it is to call out the questioners. Throw the whole thing into a defense of all the questions by both sides. And then have the balls to say it wasn’t a discussion on the topics.

Except it still is a debate, and really you shouldn’t call out the questioners. Just answer them and put your spin in the answer. Cruz and others didn’t want to get into details, so they grandstanded. Now, they blame it all on the convenient excuse, the ready-whipped-up mainstream media.

GOP Noise Machine. They should just record pre-edited to all parties satisfaction debates and put them up. Sell, some commercials…blah, blah, blah. Barf.

322
ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:34:55pm

re: #311 WhatEVs

Did you make that? That’s awesome!!

Yeah…a quick gif animation from out of Photoshop. I’m learning how to get more into full animated recording. Not there yet.

323
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:36:52pm

re: #321 ObserverArt

Remember all the talk about “Epistemic closure” in 2010?
They’ve put all that behind them and just accepted the bubble.
nytimes.com

324
BeachDem  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:39:43pm

So. Finished work early today and don’t have to be there till 830 (new time) tomorrow, but it’s cold and rainy and I couldn’t think of anywhere I really wanted to go. Bought a bottle of wine and Chinese food and watched “Serendipity” and waiting for “Scary Movie” for the LOLs. One more day and then I get to go home. Yay.

Want to point out that I’ve been in “crowder country” for 10 days and haven’t had so much as a moment’s desire to tune into his crap radio show. Too bad, so sad.

325
ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:45:21pm

re: #324 BeachDem

So. Finished work early today and don’t have to be there till 830 (new time) tomorrow, but it’s cold and rainy and I couldn’t think of anywhere I really wanted to go. Bought a bottle of wine and Chinese food and watched “Serendipity” and waiting for “Scary Movie” for the LOLs. One more day and then I get to go home. Yay.

Want to point out that I’ve been in “crowder country” for 10 days and haven’t had so much as a moment’s desire to tune into his crap radio show. Too bad, so sad.

Hey Beach, have you been following Johnny Kasich stirring things up and getting both hated and loved depending on interpretations from his debate antics?

326
KGxvi  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:48:03pm

re: #321 ObserverArt

As I recall, they were pissed a Kelly for a minute. Then Trump went and said something sexist/mysognistic and then they went “SQUIRREL!” and now we are here

327
jaunte  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:48:13pm
328
BeachDem  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:49:00pm

re: #325 ObserverArt

Hey Beach, have you been following Johnny Kasich stirring things up and getting both hated and loved depending on interpretations from his debate antics?

I did watch the debate, and thought Johnny Boy sounded at least sane (while he was lying his ass off like the rest of them.) He does come across as the only adult in the room, and as long as you like lying, sarcastic, MEAN adults, he’s your guy!

329
Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:50:13pm

re: #307 b_sharp

So glad you relayed that!

330
Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:51:02pm

Rain started, so I guess Halloween is over. Didn’t give out half the goo. I’ll leave a couple lights on for the die-hards.

331
Stanley Sea Toujours  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:52:16pm

re: #310 WhatEVs

We had one door knock with four kids. That’s it.

I’ve a huge bag of Reese’s. Saw a kid in costume drive away with her parent.

HEY, don’t you know I’m the cool neighbor?

332
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:54:02pm

Any excess candy should be mailed to me.

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WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:54:46pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

Yeah…a quick gif animation from out of Photoshop. I’m learning how to get more into full animated recording. Not there yet.

Awesome, awesome job!! (Bowing)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2015 • 5:59:26pm

Next kid to come by is going to have a great night.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2015 • 6:07:35pm

re: #316 WhatEVs

She looks good, too. Healthy.

She is now.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2015 • 7:16:28pm

re: #295 jaunte

Colorado Springs is ground zero for a metric shitton of fundies.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2015 • 7:33:26pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

The CNBC reporters are pikers compared to the BBC Hardtalk staff. If the Hardtalk reporters were running the debate, not one of them would have been left standing with their reputation intact.


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