Ben Carson’s Campaign Admits His Story About a West Point Scholarship Was a Lie

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This Politico report looks very bad for the creationist neurosurgeon, as one of the key details in his much-hyped story of personal redemption seems to have been fabricated.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.

“In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process), then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

When presented with these facts, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.

Of course, you realize that if Carson is forced out of the GOP race because of this, we’re left with Donald Trump as the other major front runner.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:23:29am

Trump doesn’t scare me like Carson does. Trump is a shameless thug and opportunist, but he appears to inhabit something like the same reality that I do. Carson is waaaaay out in another dimension. This revelation is even more of that Carson lunacy. Did he honestly think nobody would verify such a claim?

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:24:02am

I am curious to see where the AMERICA A+ #1 military-first chest-thumpers are going to fall on this. It’s tantamount to lying about fraudulent military service. You think Bush was going to get electoral grief and fall in the polls for allegedly only half-assing his actual legitimate reserves time…

I don’t care what the RWNJs think about this. I don’t think Carson was ever a viable general election candidate before, but he’s toastier than Goldwater after a lie like that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:24:34am

Ben Shapiro has filled his entire Twitter timeline with a deranged tsunami of Derp & Rage
HURR HURR IT A LIBRUL LEFTIST MEDIA PLOT!!!!! BEN CARSON IS A HEROIC PATRIOT TROOF SAYER!!!11!!!!

There is more, much more.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:24:36am

re: #1 Ian G.

Trump doesn’t scare me like Carson does. Trump is a shameless thug and opportunist, but he appears to inhabit something like the same reality that I do. Carson is waaaaay out in another dimension. This revelation is even more of that Carson lunacy. Did he honestly think nobody would verify such a claim?

It actually disturbs me more that Carson would lie about having attacked his mother than if he had.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:24:59am

Carson didn’t say he applied to and was accepted by West Point he only said he was promised a full scholarship which is totally different

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:25:44am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro has filled his entire Twitter timeline with a deranged tsunami of Derp & Rage
HURR HURR IT A LIBRUL LEFTIST MEDIA PLOT!!!!! BEN CARSON IS A HEROIC PATRIOT TROOF SAYER!!!11!!!!

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There is more, much more.

It really is adorable how the editor of Breitbart rails against the media that he’s a part of. Face it Benny, Carson lied and his candidacy is in the shitter. You’re going to have to find a new fundie leg for you to hump.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:25:59am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Ben is coming unhinged, if “coming” is the right way to describe it.

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Lidane  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:26:11am

Lied about a scholarship to West Point.
Claimed he tried to kill his mother with a hammer and that he tried to stab people, but NO ONE who knew him as a child can remember this ever happening.
Thinks the Egyptian pyramids were built to be grain silos instead of tombs.
Thinks prison makes people gay.
Thinks the ACA is on par with Nazi Germany.

The GOP base sure knows how to pick a front-runner.

/////

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:26:11am

If you’re thinking about buying any of Ben Carson’s books, hold off a few more days. They’ll be in the bargain bins by next week.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:26:22am

Wow, looks like Iowahawk has now gone full-on batshit conspiracy theorist.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:26:56am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

It actually disturbs me more that Carson would lie about having attacked his mother than if he had.

It seriously sounds to me like he has no concrete recollection of his younger years. Actual factual mental impairment.

Generally, people lie to get something out of it. Carson’s pattern of lying does not look calculated or considered. It just appears to be a scattershot of word salad that bears only coincidental and occasional resemblance to reality.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:28:00am

re: #11 Testy Toad T

It seriously sounds to me like he has no concrete recollection of his younger years. Actual factual mental impairment.

Generally, people lie to get something out of it. Carson’s pattern of lying does not look calculated or considered. It just appears to be a scattershot of word salad that bears only coincidental and occasional resemblance to reality.

It’s very strange. What a strange world already that this guy is a presidential candidate. An even stranger one that he’s as of today at the top of the GOP polls.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:29:04am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

It’s very strange. What a strange world already that this guy is a presidential candidate. An even stranger one that he’s as of today at the top of the GOP polls.

If I’m not mistaken, we can thank Fox News for elevating his lack of consciousness into our national consciousness.

Way to vet your talking heads, doodz.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:29:06am

REQUIREMENTS

To apply for West Point you must be:

At least 17 but not yet 23 years old on July 1 of the year admitted
A U.S. citizen
Not married
Not pregnant or with any legal obligation to support a child or children
Congressionally nominated or have a service-connected nomination
A recipient of strong scores on either college entrance exam (ACT or SAT)

Carson never applied. No scholarships, no free rides. If you’re admitted, your tuition and costs are covered, plus you get a stipend. No evidence he ever applied. No evidence anyone ever gave him the necessary nomination to be considered. Nothing.

You know what that makes him? He’s a Liar.

Henry Rollins - Liar - Higher Quality

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:29:12am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Wow, looks like Iowahawk has now gone full-on batshit conspiracy theorist.

BILL AYERS BILL AYERS BILL AYERS BILL AYERS!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:30:42am

Okay I think we all know the reaction would be if Obama or any Democratic presidential hopeful had lied about West Point. But I get it. IOIYAR- It’s Okay If You’re A Republican.

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Kid A  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:30:44am

re: #8 Lidane

Lied about the robbery he witnessed at a Popeye’s in Baltimore.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:30:57am

Anyone else having problems with some of the comments not showing up right?

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:31:20am

These wingnuts sure do pick the strangest hills to die upon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:31:55am

Well I guess Carson really never bought into that “Thou shall not bear false witness” thing did he?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:32:03am

re: #19 b.d.

These wingnuts sure do pick the strangest hills to die upon.

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One chickenhawk shithead defends another chickenhawk shithead.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:32:35am

I actually hope the GOP sticks with Carson and he becomes the nominee. They deserve each other. Carson would get throttled in the General I bet.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:32:58am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro has filled his entire Twitter timeline with a deranged tsunami of Derp & Rage
HURR HURR IT A LIBRUL LEFTIST MEDIA PLOT!!!!! BEN CARSON IS A HEROIC PATRIOT TROOF SAYER!!!11!!!!

[Embedded content]

There is more, much more.

Is Benny going to blow up today?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:33:12am

The funny thing is that both Carson and Trump are liars, Trump just understands what stuff you should and SHOULDN’T lie about.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:33:55am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I actually hope the GOP sticks with Carson and he becomes the nominee. They deserve each other. Carson would get throttled in the General I bet.

They do deserve each other. He’s part of the culture of lies they’ve built. As I got at earlier, Ronald Reagan claimed to be a liberator at a a concentration camp and it didn’t impact his standing with the electorate at all.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:34:08am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump’s lies have purpose and direction. They are calculated and intelligent.

Carson just doesn’t know what the truth is in his head.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:34:38am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

The funny thing is that both Carson and Trump are liars, Trump just understands what stuff you should and SHOULDN’T lie about.

He lies about stuff harder to prove i.e. Mexico and the wall. Carson lies about things that have already happened.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:34:44am

re: #8 Lidane

Lied about a scholarship to West Point.
Claimed he tried to kill his mother with a hammer and that he tried to stab people, but NO ONE who knew him as a child can remember this ever happening.
Thinks the Egyptian pyramids were built to be grain silos instead of tombs.
Thinks prison makes people gay.
Thinks the ACA is on par with Nazi Germany.

The GOP base sure knows how to pick a front-runner.

/////

And that time he was in a fast food joint, was apparently held up with a guy with a gun, but Carson pointed over to the cashier as the one to get all shooty-shooty with.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:34:50am

re: #11 Testy Toad T

It seriously sounds to me like he has no concrete recollection of his younger years. Actual factual mental impairment.

Generally, people lie to get something out of it. Carson’s pattern of lying does not look calculated or considered. It just appears to be a scattershot of word salad that bears only coincidental and occasional resemblance to reality.

Yes. He seems honest to god clinically insane to me. It’s quite disturbing that he’s running for President rather than seeking psychiatric care.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:35:06am

re: #23 ObserverArt

Is Benny going to blow up today?

Which one. Be more specific.

Both is an acceptable answer. :)

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:35:54am

re: #13 Testy Toad T

If I’m not mistaken, we can thank Fox News for elevating his lack of consciousness into our national consciousness.

Way to vet your talking heads, doodz.

Hey now…he’s a successful Black Christian doctor turned candidate that is telling it like it is in a soft gentle voice that makes everyone want to hug him.

What vetting need be done?

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:35:55am

OBAMA SAYING HE VISITED 57 STATES IS A LIE, BEN CARSON’S STORY OF WEST POINT IS A MISINTERPRETATION!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:36:44am

Jeb Bush has to be thrilled about Carson’s campaign becoming unraveled. Jeb may actually reach double digits in the polling once Carson drops out.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:37:23am

re: #19 b.d.

These wingnuts sure do pick the strangest hills to die upon.

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I think Carson is done. The regular media is going to no longer treat him with kid gloves because he’s highly educated and soft-spoken.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:38:09am

re: #34 Ian G.

I think Carson is done. The regular media is going to no longer treat him with kid gloves because he’s highly educated and soft-spoken.

But if they ask about it in Tuesday’s debate then the media is being unfair

//

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:38:12am

Look on the bright side: if he’s elected, maybe we can enjoy a constitutional crisis about presidential incapacity under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment!

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:39:19am

re: #14 lawhawk

Very enthusiastic upding by me for some Rollins Band!

Rollins Band - Low Self Opinion

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:39:53am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Words r hard for Ben.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:40:05am

re: #34 Ian G.

I think Carson is done. The regular media is going to no longer treat him with kid gloves because he’s highly educated and soft-spoken.

Agreed, this story is going to end his run. It gives people who are too embarrassed over the pyramid deal an easy and respectful out.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:40:16am

re: #34 Ian G.

I think Carson is done. The regular media is going to no longer treat him with kid gloves because he’s highly educated and soft-spoken.

Let’s look at this a little, from a pretty smart guy who I think has a good finger on things.

natesilver: So a few years ago, I developed a five-pronged “test” for whether a scandal would resonate:

1) Can the scandal be reduced to a one-sentence sound bite (but not easily refuted/denied with a one-sentence sound bite)?
2) Does the scandal cut against a core element of the candidate’s brand?
3) Does the scandal reify/reinforce/”prove” a core negative perception about the candidate, particularly one that had henceforth been difficult to articulate (but not one that has become so entrenched that little further damage can be done)?
4) Can the scandal readily be employed by the opposition, without their looking hypocritical/petty/politically incorrect, risking retribution, or giving life to a damaging narrative?
5) Is the media bored, and/or does the story have enough tabloid/shock value to crowd out all other stories?

5/5 with a hammer. Bye bye, Benny.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:41:08am

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

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Words r hard for Ben.

BEN CARSON IS LYING ABOUT BEN CARSON’S LIES!

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:43:50am
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:44:34am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

BEN CARSON IS LYING ABOUT BEN CARSON’S LIES!

HE’S JUST BEING THE NICE GUY HE IS AND DOESN’T WANT TO DISAPPOINT ANYONE.

LEAVE BEN CARSON ALONE!!!

Some grandmother somewhere…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:45:07am

This lie will hurt him more than his other craziness, but to be honest I’m much more disturbed by his religious fanaticism.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:45:24am
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Jay C  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:45:48am

So what’s the over/under on some winger trying to excuse away Ben Carson’s “West Point” BS by bringing up Hillary Clinton’s “Sarajevo sniper fire” flap from 2008; no doubt claiming ‘Hillary got away with lying” * because Librul Media or whatevs. ?

* i.e. “got away with” = called out, excoriated, and made to look like a bullshitting fool in public: but not jailed or executed, so home free…

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stpaulbear  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:46:03am

re: #35 b.d.

But if they ask about it in Tuesday’s debate then the media is being unfair

//

I’ll actually be surprised if all the candidates make it through the next debate without someone (or all of them) walking out.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:47:20am
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nines09  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:47:33am

re: #42 teleskiguy

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And apparently a whole lot of shit that never happened and are fabrications. And lies.

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:47:33am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:49:40am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:49:51am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:51:08am

re: #51 lawhawk

I am NOT a Carson backer, but I’m not going to participate in a full-fledged media bullshit hit. t.co
— Ben Shapiro

He won’t stands for it, he won’ts. ////

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:51:21am

re: #51 lawhawk

Ben Shapiro ✔ @benshapiro

I am NOT a Carson backer, but I’m not going to participate in a full-fledged media bullshit hit. dailywire.com

1:12 PM - 6 Nov 2015

Well after 300 tweets about it…I should think not Ben!

/

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stpaulbear  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:51:54am

re: #51 lawhawk

…I’m not going to participate in a full-fledged media bullshit hit.

It already takes all of his time to participate in his own bullshit hits.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:51:57am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:52:32am

Unpack the Carson lies about West Point:

1) Claims he got a scholarship - that’s not how the Service Academies work.
2) Claims he was given an offer to attend. No offer was ever given. No proof any application ever made. Nothing.

No offer, no acceptance. Nothing. The episode never happened in any way, shape, or form.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:52:55am

re: #42 teleskiguy

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It can even remember the things that you only saw in your head!

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:01am

re: #51 lawhawk

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Dude, if you’re wronged I’ll defend you on teh Twitters until my thumbs bleed

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:03am

re: #51 lawhawk

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It’s not a hit if the candidate himself admits the lie. But go ahead and tell us how you’re not a Carson supporter.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:08am

re: #51 lawhawk

I am NOT a Carson backer

No, of course not. He’s an equal opportunity hater of all things liberal, progressive, humane.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:37am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:45am

re: #61 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

No, of course not. He’s an equal opportunity hater of all things liberal, progressive, humane.

He’s not a supporter of anything. He just hates because he’s not over the liberal girls wanting nothing to do with his angry ass.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:53:47am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

It’s not a hit if the candidate himself admits the lie. But go ahead and tell us how you’re not a Carson supporter.

Why do you keep repeating our words back to us???

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:54:01am

And the Carson campaign enters David Lynchian territory.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:54:32am

re: #65 teleskiguy

And the Carson campaign enters David Lynchian territory.

So Carson was accepted into West Point?

/

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:55:05am

re: #66 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So Carson was accepted into West Point?

/

That’s General Carson to you bub.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:55:16am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I’m not sure that’s totally fair. In the Republican base, and in the media that has to pay the bills by not hurting the base’s fee-fees, you can spout horrible stuff about gays and creationism and not be hurt. Declaring Jesus to be obviously a fairy tale would be more damaging in this group than lying about West Point admission, even though I’d say the latter is worse.

I have little doubt that his crazy statements had already fatally damaged any prayer of a chance he’d have had in a general election.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:55:57am

re: #51 lawhawk

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I’m waiting for Popeye Ben to crack open that can of spinach!

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ChuckJager95  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:56:35am

So I assume Politico has some sort of record of the campaign’s original statement?

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:57:00am
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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:57:22am

re: #57 lawhawk

Unpack the Carson lies about West Point:

1) Claims he got a scholarship - that’s not how the Service Academies work.
2) Claims he was given an offer to attend. No offer was ever given. No proof any application ever made. Nothing.

No offer, no acceptance. Nothing. The episode never happened in any way, shape, or form.

And it’s a STUPID lie. A whole lot of people know (1) quite intimately, and would have called bullshit had they read his story. I mean, were I brain-damaged enough to want to read his book, I could have told you that story was bullshit, and I’m not even one of the ~3000 officers commissioned out of the academies each spring.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:58:31am

re: #67 b.d.

That’s General Carson to you bub.

Really: he just never wears the uniform because it would be too intimidating in the operating room (and the medals would get caught on his scrubs)

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:58:40am

Oh, now this is rich - those emails that the right wing was busy saying were classified? Well, not so much.

The U.S. intelligence community has retreated from claims that two emails in Hillary Clinton’s private account contained top secret information, a source familiar with the situation told POLITICO.
The determination came from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper’s office and concluded that the two emails did not include highly classified intelligence secrets. Concerns about the emails’ classification helped trigger an on-going FBI inquiry into Clinton’s private email set-up.

Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III made the claim that two of the emails contained top secret information, the State Department publicly stated its disagreement and asked Clapper’s office to referee the dispute. Now, that disagreement has been resolved in State’s favor, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Intelligence officials claimed one email in Clinton’s account was classified because it contained information from a top secret intelligence community “product” or report, but a further review determined that the report was not issued until several days after the email in question was written, the source said.

This has more to do with how and why intel/documents are classified in the first place, than anything Hillary did wrong.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:58:41am

Oh man, I figured it all out. It all makes sense.

He’s not a world-renowned brain surgeon. He’s a world-renowned bran surgeon. Total 100% bona fide expert on the subject of grains.

It’s a very simple misunderstanding. Anyone could have made it.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2015 • 10:58:58am

re: #51 lawhawk

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:00:16am

I think people are underestimating the ability of the modern Conservative hivemind to ignore blatant lying, gross exaggeration, and weird quack science if the person has the perceived ability to advance the overall socio-political and religious agenda. I think Carson will be the nominee.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:00:54am

re: #38 Ace-o-aces

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Words r hard for Ben.

Thought is hard for Ben, C or S.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:01:07am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:01:52am
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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:03:06am
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:04:15am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

BEN CARSON IS LYING ABOUT BEN CARSON’S LIES!

Capt. Kirk talks a robot to death

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:04:39am

re: #77 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I think people are underestimating the ability of the modern Conservative hivemind to ignore blatant lying, gross exaggeration, and weird quack science if the person has the perceived ability to advance the overall socio-political and religious agenda. I think Carson will be the nominee.

Carson’s a vastly shittier version of the insane Christian conservatives that have captured Iowa and then sank the last two cycles, and say what you will about the current clown-car, there are a couple of candidates a hell of a lot stronger than Mitt Romney.

Were I a betting man, I think I would lay a rather sizable sum on the table on the statement that Carson will absolutely not be the GOP nominee for president. Hell, I’d have made that bet yesterday, too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:05:29am

Ben Shapiro right now

Digging a deeper hole
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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:06:54am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:07:02am

re: #74 lawhawk

Oh, now this is rich - those emails that the right wing was busy saying were classified? Well, not so much.

This has more to do with how and why intel/documents are classified in the first place, than anything Hillary did wrong.

COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP COVERUP!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:07:40am

re: #76 Ace-o-aces

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Paging lieutenant colonel Allen West

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Kid A  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:10:48am

Man, the quack has even lost Fox.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:11:18am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not a fan of using “Uncle Ben’s Rice” to make Ben Carson memes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:13:05am

Although in 1969 military popularity on campus was really in the shitter. Still had to be sponsored by your congressional representative to get into the USMA.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:13:14am

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:13:29am

re: #89 Kid A

Man, the quack has even lost Fox.

Short, sweet, hard to refute without resorting to nuance, tabloid-y, gives confused media a thing to latch onto for a cycle.

And it gives Fox a dead horse on which to beat, at which to point next time they are accused of being in the GOP’s back pocket.

Dead as a doornail.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:13:43am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

sorry

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:14:46am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don’t go there. There’s still time to edit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:22:50am

I just had a thought: If Trump manages to flame out too, does that mean Bush becomes the frontrunner?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:23:17am

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

I just had a thought: If Trump manages to flame out too, does that mean Bush becomes the frontrunner?

It really depends where their supporters go.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:24:21am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

This lie will hurt him more than his other craziness, but to be honest I’m much more disturbed by his religious fanaticism.

Yes, but his religious fanaticism was getting a pass because he’s a surgeon/articulate. Nobody is going to give, say, Ted Cruz a pass because he’s such an unpleasant buffoon. (I feel like Republicans in the Senate hate his guts even more than we do)

I think we may dodge a major bullet with Carson just because the media refused to see what a loon he was. Until now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:25:09am

Carson supporters won’t care about this shit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:25:59am

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

I just had a thought: If Trump manages to flame out too, does that mean Bush becomes the frontrunner?

If that happens, it’ll be Rubio, not Bush.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:26:05am

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

Shabbos will save his bacon (forgive the expression). He’ll have to shut up at some point this evening.

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Stuff Happens  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:27:25am

All you need to know about Ben Carson in two words: creationist neurosurgeon.

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Ian G.  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:28:05am

re: #76 Ace-o-aces

Exactly. The people who see Jefferson Davis as a hero are going to lose their black friend to point to when they say they’re not racist.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:28:06am

re: #102 Stuff Happens

All you need to know about Ben Carson in two words: creationist neurosurgeon.

That’s Young Earth too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:28:12am
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calochortus  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:28:33am

re: #99 GlutenFreeJesus

Carson supporters won’t care about this shit.

I think they will. His support is wide but not very deep. Something like 80% of his supporters would consider another candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:29:00am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Idiot. But then again Huckabee is an incredibly stupid man.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:30:41am

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Idiot. But then again Huckabee is an incredibly stupid man.

He’s been relegated to the kiddies’ table at next week’s debate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:31:34am

re: #108 Dr. Matt

He’s been relegated to the kiddies’ table at next week’s debate.

Yep. I do gotta wonder if he’ll go back to the adults table though if Carson has any serous falout over this though.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:33:04am

Media Matters: Conservatives React: ‘Carson is Done’

He really might not survive this.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:33:31am

Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

“The campaign never ‘admitted to anything,’” a spokesman for Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson told The Daily Caller News Foundation in response to a hit by Politico claiming his campaign admitted to “fabricating” a key point about his West Point story.

“The Politico story is an outright Lie,” Doug Watts told TheDCNF.

From Teh Daily Caller at: donotlink.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:35:25am

re: #110 makeitstop

Media Matters: Conservatives React: ‘Carson is Done’

He really might not survive this.

Even Todd Starnes expressed disappointment. Makes Lil Benny Shapiro look even more pathetic by acting like this is just a media witch hunt.

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Franklin  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:37:45am

Hey, some good news!

Remember those two Boston dolts that kicked the homeless man in the name of Trump?

Two South Boston brothers are now facing felony hate crime charges after they allegedly beat and urinated on a homeless man near the MBTA’s JFK/UMass Station in Dorchester.

Boston Globe (paywall?)

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Stuff Happens  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:38:17am

I think he may survive this. The right wing narrative is that the media is always wrong. We are currently in a Bizarro World. He will be damaged, but I think he will remain for a few more months.

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freetoken  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:38:29am
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Poligeek  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:38:55am

What does everyone think the current odds are on Carson making the debate this week? Does this damage him that much that he drops rather than show up and be questioned? I’m putting it at about 75/25 he shows at the moment.. but I reserve the right to greatly adjust those numbers in the next 24-48 hours :)

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:39:27am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

From Teh Daily Caller at: donotlink.com

And this, somehow, is even dumber.

If West Point says he wasn’t offered admission, and his book says he was, he’s either lying about it or he actually doesn’t remember his youth. It’s either a knowing or an unknowing untruth.

There’s no third option (West Point is lying!!!1), and I’m not sure which is worse. To be perfectly honest, I’m starting to think it’s #2.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:39:55am

re: #115 freetoken

Carson supporters will move to Cruz.

This guy’s son:

Rev. Cruz: ‘Communism and Evolution Go Hand in Hand,’ They ‘Destroy the Concept of God’

mrctv.org

He should talk with the Pope and the numerous other Catholic scientists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:40:27am

Here’s why Carson is particularly fucked: He lied about getting into a MILITARY school. As we now, RWNJs and “Patriot” types are absolutely hardcore RAH! RAH! U.S. FORCES!

If he’d lie was about just getting into some random public or private university they wouldn’t give two shits.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:40:51am

re: #114 Stuff Happens

I think he may survive this. The right wing narrative is that the media is always wrong. We are currently in a Bizarro World. He will be damaged, but I think he will remain for a few more months.

I dunno. He’s taking some flack from the right on this. He doesn’t have a ton of money. We’ll see though. Nothing shocks me with the GOP base.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:41:25am

re: #117 Testy Toad T

If he’d admit he doesn’t remember his youth that well, it would help mitigate the damage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:41:38am

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s why Carson is particularly fucked: He lied about getting into a MILITARY school. As we now, RWNJs and “Patriot” types are absolutely hardcore RAH! RAH! U.S. FORCES!

If he’d lie was about just getting into some random public or private university they wouldn’t give two shits.

Yes, if he had lied about that, they’d forgive it and brush it off but lying about West Point may go too far.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:41:42am

Anyone else not seeing the wingnut font coming up properly?

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:42:17am

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s why Carson is particularly fucked: He lied about getting into a MILITARY school. As we now, RWNJs and “Patriot” types are absolutely hardcore RAH! RAH! U.S. FORCES!

The only officers who care more about this sort of lie than the officers who graduated from the academies are the ones who didn’t. Ring-knockers are universally mocked, if not reviled, and a guy who knocks a ring he didn’t even earn?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:42:41am

RAGE

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:43:16am

Someone on FB just posted that Carson was on MSNBC and admitted that he made up the West Point story.

Now the candidate is at odds with his own spin doctors! We’re through the looking glass here.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:43:24am

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

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If he’d lie was about just getting into some random public or private university they wouldn’t give two shits.

Unless a women and Dem (looking at you Liz Warren).

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:43:39am

re: #121 Belafon

If he’s admit he doesn’t remember his youth that well, it would help mitigate the damage.

“Don’t remember my youth all that well” might have covered for how much of a little shit he was when he was twelve.

“Don’t remember if I almost joined the military, and don’t remember to which universities this abjectly poor student got full-ride offers” sets off the senility alarm.

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freetoken  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:44:12am

RAGIER

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:45:29am

re: #128 Testy Toad T

“Don’t remember my youth all that well” might have covered for how much of a little shit he was when he was twelve.

“Don’t remember if I almost joined the military, and don’t remember to which universities this abjectly poor student got full-ride offers” sets off the senility alarm.

Yeah I have to agree with that.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:46:04am
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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:46:43am

re: #128 Testy Toad T

“Don’t remember my youth all that well” might have covered for how much of a little shit he was when he was twelve.

“Don’t remember if I almost joined the military, and don’t remember to which universities this abjectly poor student got full-ride offers” sets off the senility alarm.

But hasn’t he been telling this fish tale for years now?

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It's on his hat!  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:47:02am

ALL OF TEH RAGES

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freetoken  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:47:10am

RAGIEST

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:47:12am

re: #132 makeitstop

But hasn’t he been telling this fish tale for years now?

It was a part of his book wasn’t it?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:48:47am

re: #126 makeitstop

Someone on FB just posted that Carson was on MSNBC and admitted that he made up the West Point story.

Now the candidate is at odds with his own spin doctors! We’re through the looking glass here.

NBC and MSNBC seem only to be referencing the Politico report.

google.com

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WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:48:52am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

The comments there are precious:

Cyndi Adams • an hour ago

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL ASSHOLE, MAKING UP THIS STORY,THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING THE LIE, THEY CHEAT, AND THEY MURDER THERE WAY THROUGH LIFE, HOW SAD AND PATHIC THAT THEY HAVE LOST THERE MINDS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY THINK FOR THEM SELVES, I WONDER HOW IT MUST FEEL TO BE SO BRAINWASHED AND TAKEN OVER BY DECEIVERS AND LIARS, I MEAN WHAT KIND OF MIND MUST YOU REALLY HAVE, IF YOU CAN SO EASILY ALLOW YOUR SELF TO BE SO BRAINWASHED BY SOMEONE WHO ONLY HAS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE IN MIND FOR YOU ONCE THEY ARE DONE USING YOU TO GET WHAT THEY WANT, I FEEL SO SORRY FOR ALL THE LIBERAL NUTS IN THIS COUNTRY, TOO STUPID TO THINK FOR THEM SELVES , HOW PATHIC….

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:49:04am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

It was a part of his book wasn’t it?

It was. And a couple of the RW pundits on that MM page were saying that the WP story looms large in his legend.

Ah, well. He’s already re-written world history. I guess there was nothing left to do but start re-writing his own.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:49:54am

re: #132 makeitstop

But hasn’t he been telling this fish tale for years now?

I mean, let me be clear, I don’t think “I don’t remember” is a good way out of this. I don’t think there is a way out of this for Carson.

He’ll sink or swim on the base’s mercy. There’s really no spinning to be done, other than to speak on the issue in a contrite and brief manner. I’m not even sure if that would help.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:49:55am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

NBC and MSNBC seem only to be referencing the Politico report.

google.com

The guy said the MSNBC appearance just happened.

Getting hard to keep track of all the bullshit.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:50:02am
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Franklin  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:11am

OT For Charles and any Zombie fans out there.

I just started listening to an old (but new to me) podcast series called “We’re Alive” that was released from May 2009 through July 2014. It’s about a group of survivors in LA in the zombie apocalypse.

It’s nothing earth-shattering but intriguing and entertaining. There are three total seasons with about 100 total 20 minute episodes.

werealive.com

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:15am

re: #137 WhatEVs

The comments there are precious:

How pathic!

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:15am

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a candidate for major office so completely and decisively annihilate his campaign in one fell swoop.

I’d take hundred-to-one odds on ¿Jeb? over Carson at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:20am

re: #141 Kragar

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Not at all surprising given these guys are behind stirring up a lot of hate against gays in Eastern Europe and Africa.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:28am

re: #140 makeitstop

The guy said the MSNBC appearance just happened.

Getting hard to keep track of all the bullshit.

Heaven forfend a journalist would go and get an independent confirmation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:51:48am

re: #144 Testy Toad T

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a candidate for major office so completely and decisively annihilate his campaign in one fell swoop.

I’d take hundred-to-one odds on ¿Jeb? over Carson at this point.

Jeb should be writing Carson a thank you note.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:52:06am
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Jenner7  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:53:36am
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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:54:07am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Heaven forfend a journalist would go and get an independent confirmation.

I just went back and asked the guy if the appearance actually just happened.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:54:12am

re: #149 Jenner7

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Not a good day to be a wingnut.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:54:55am

re: #139 Testy Toad T

I mean, let me be clear, I don’t think “I don’t remember” is a good way out of this. I don’t think there is a way out of this for Carson.

He’ll sink or swim on the base’s mercy. There’s really no spinning to be done, other than to speak on the issue in a contrite and brief manner. I’m not even sure if that would help.

Out is the only way for Carson, but he wasn’t supposed to take a dive until the 8th round. Paulie Walnuts is going to be pissed.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:55:23am

Here come the right wing defenders, who think that someone who never applied, let alone was accepted somehow is telling the truth because Carson never said he was accepted (or is it applied - they can’t even keep that bit straight).

Carson lied/invented all the other details - including the bit about getting a scholarship. There was none.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:56:20am

re: #153 lawhawk

Here come the right wing defenders, who think that someone who never applied, let alone was accepted somehow is telling the truth because Carson never said he was accepted.

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Carson lied/invented all the other details - including the bit about getting a scholarship. There was none.

Doesn’t Dan Riehl have imaginary black WMATA riders to pick fights with?

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:56:23am

re: #115 freetoken

Carson supporters will move to Cruz.

This guy’s son:

Rev. Cruz: ‘Communism and Evolution Go Hand in Hand,’ They ‘Destroy the Concept of God’

mrctv.org

I think we’re looking at a showdown between Rubio, Jeb’s successor as establishment choice, and Cruz, the tea party favorite.
Rubio would have a better chance in the general, since his craziness is more subtle, but Cruz is more likely to be nominated.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:56:55am

re: #153 lawhawk

“Pretty clear Carson wasn’t claiming to have applied, which destroys Politico’s lede and headline.”

^ fool who should have kept his mouth shut about how admissions works at the service academies

I mean, el oh fucking el. This isn’t DeVry. They don’t just send you a letter offering you admission if you apply.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:57:14am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

I think we’re looking at a showdown between Rubio, Jeb’s successor as establishment choice, and Cruz, the tea party favorite.
Rubio would have a better chance in the general, since his craziness is more subtle, but Cruz is more likely to be nominated.

Hmmm that sounds interesting.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:57:50am

re: #153 lawhawk

Here come the right wing defenders, who think that someone who never applied, let alone was accepted somehow is telling the truth because Carson never said he was accepted (or is it applied - they can’t even keep that bit straight).

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Carson lied/invented all the other details - including the bit about getting a scholarship. There was none.

It is a wonder seeing an alternative reality being built before my eyes.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:57:58am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:58:03am

re: #156 Testy Toad T

^ fool who should have kept his mouth shut about how admissions works at the service academies

I mean, el oh fucking el. This isn’t DeVry. They don’t just send you a letter offering you admission if you apply.

It’s a competitive process.

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WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:58:18am

re: #143 makeitstop

How pathic!

It’s a whole comment section (but without less confusion surrounding THEY’RE, THERE, THEIR thing).

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 11:59:45am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

It’s a competitive process.

I know, I went to the USNA’s summer session for potentially-interested high schoolers.

Got all my marching in, realized that I could be successful there but I wasn’t excited about it. Figured it would be pretty shitty to take a slot from somebody who would have sold their soul to get in.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:00:53pm

Then, given the positive jobs report today, you get the GOP with this nonsense.

Yup - the Clinton-Obama recovery (which ignores the Bush recession that was the worst since the Great Depression). Or that the job recovery would have been faster/more impressive but for GOP obstructionism.

You can explain that.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:01:01pm

re: #99 GlutenFreeJesus

Carson supporters won’t care about this shit.

Some won’t, but I think it safe to think that many will abandon him to go along with the GOP supporters that want a more established GOP candidate. Just like in sports there are band wagon riders that will jump off along with any larger group that decides to move to another team.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:01:02pm

re: #162 Testy Toad T

I know, I went to the USNA’s summer session for potentially-interested high schoolers.

Got all my marching in, realized that I could be successful there but I wasn’t excited about it. Figured it would be pretty shitty to take a slot from somebody who would have sold their soul to get in.

Yeah, wasn’t trying to say you didn’t know that but Riehl obvious doesn’t seem to realize that. I could never have gone to a military academy.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:01:21pm

re: #156 Testy Toad T

^ fool who should have kept his mouth shut about how admissions works at the service academies

I mean, el oh fucking el. This isn’t DeVry. They don’t just send you a letter offering you admission if you apply.

imgur.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:01:50pm

re: #163 lawhawk

Then, given the positive jobs report today, you get the GOP with this nonsense.

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Yup - the Clinton-Obama recovery (which ignores the Bush recession that was the worst since the Great Depression). Or that the job recovery would have been faster/more impressive but for GOP obstructionism.

You can explain that.

Unemployment is 5%. 2% less than what Romney promised it would be if we elected him president. Besides, I thought the GOP thought the government shouldn’t be creating jobs.

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Franklin  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:02:10pm

re: #163 lawhawk

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:03:46pm

re: #149 Jenner7

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Yeah, the MSM fix is in!

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:03:54pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:04:09pm

re: #153 lawhawk

To be offered the free ride implicitly requires the offer of admission to the academies. That is the only way to get that kind of offer from them.

Carson even distinguishes between his dinner with Westmoreland (whether or not that actually took place) and when he received the offer. That rules out a simple misunderstanding of how the service academies work, to me - it would be one thing if he had come away from the dinner with a “you should apply, you would not have to pay” and somehow misinterpret that as “you’d be a shoe-in” and I could sort of see stretching to make that work if one was inclined to think very highly of oneself. (Sort of.) But by separating them, he is claiming there was subsequent contact from West Point.

West Point has confirmed that is a lie, as has his campaign.

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Testy Toad T  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:06:20pm

…Maybe he misremembers Westmoreland offering him a ROTC slot at some local university, or something? That would at least be a reasonable mental jumping-off point, and not a COMPLETELY outlandish misunderstanding. Memories are actually notoriously squishy things.

I honestly am trying to wrap my mind around his thought process, and more particularly in which neuron the USMA could ever be referred to in the same mouthful as “scholarship”?

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:07:30pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Idiot. But then again Huckabee is an incredibly stupid man.

I don’t think he is stupid. He is a calculated politician that is selling a package to a group of people he can always count on to hear him speak, buy books, create enough numbers to make him a guest on media shows, etc.

It’s just the political equivalent of being a tent revival preacher moving from one little town to the next tapping the locals to fill the offering plate until they can’t give much more. Then pack up and move on to the next.

I sometimes wonder if some of them actually believe in God themselves or do they believe in God because it is good business?

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Kid A  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:08:08pm

Thrice-divorced talk show toad says 94-million people aren’t working and are depending on Santa Claus for their welfare; claims real unemployment rate is 20%.

This 94-million figure, FFS, where do I start with this one?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:08:17pm

re: #172 Testy Toad T

…Maybe he misremembers Westmoreland offering him a ROTC slot at some local university, or something? That would at least be a reasonable mental jumping-off point, and not a COMPLETELY outlandish misunderstanding. Memories are actually notoriously squishy things.

I honestly am trying to wrap my mind around his thought process, and more particularly in which neuron the USMA could ever be referred to in the same mouthful as “scholarship”?

Westmoreland, as Chief of Staff, could make a lot of things happen but he could not actually promise anyone a West Point appointment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:08:19pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

I don’t think he is stupid. He is a calculated politician that is selling a package to a group of people he can always count on to hear him speak, buy books, create enough numbers to make him a guest on media shows, etc.

It’s just the political equivalent of being a tent revival preacher moving from one little town to the next tapping the locals to fill the offering plate until they can’t give much more. Then pack up and move on to the next.

I sometimes wonder if some of them actually believe in God themselves or do they believe in God because it is good business?

You make a good point especially the last point. I definitely think some of them see God as a marketing tool or sure.

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No Country For Old Haters  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:08:32pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro has filled his entire Twitter timeline with a deranged tsunami of Derp & Rage
HURR HURR IT A LIBRUL LEFTIST MEDIA PLOT!!!!! BEN CARSON IS A HEROIC PATRIOT TROOF SAYER!!!11!!!!

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There is more, much more.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:10:04pm

re: #174 Kid A

Start with the fact that it includes kids in college and senior citizens. Those are demographics that are never included in the stats.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:10:04pm

Can it be a bad day when the Baggers attack Politico?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:10:41pm

re: #179 b.d.

Can it be a bad day when the Baggers attack Politico?

Shame it’s not The Hill.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:10:59pm

re: #174 Kid A

Thrice-divorced talk show toad says 94-million people aren’t working and are depending on Santa Claus for their welfare; claims real unemployment rate is 20%.

This 94-million figure, FFS, where do I start with this one?

If the unemployment rate were 20%, it would be fucking obvious. Rush has always been a pathetic fuckwad but he’s become more and more like Alex Jones in the Obama years in that he’s relegated himself to going to making absurd falsehoods. By the way Rush, you’ve got a bit of money, how about you set up some employment agencies if you’re so concerned about unemployment. Oh wait, you like people miserable and listening to you so they’ll blame someone other than the fat cats that you pal around with for their problems.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:11:23pm
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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:11:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:12:36pm

re: #178 lawhawk

Start with the fact that it includes kids in college and senior citizens. Those are demographics that are never included in the stats.

I think an economic illiterate like Rush doesn’t get or knows the vast majority of his listeners don’t get that someone like me wasn’t unemployed in college. There’s a difference between not having a job and being unemployed. And frankly a lot of wingnuts bitch about raising the minimum wage because they contend it puts teenagers out of work. A teenager’s first focus should be their academics not a job and the idea that we should pay teens less is crap anyhow.

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WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:12:38pm

Ha!

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calochortus  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:12:42pm

re: #178 lawhawk

Start with the fact that it includes kids in college and senior citizens. Those are demographics that are never included in the stats.

Plus, aren’t moms supposed to stay at home with their kids? Now they’re pathetic parasites?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:12:55pm

re: #183 b.d.

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Correct, it’s called an appointment.

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No Country For Old Haters  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:13:22pm

re: #29 Ian G.

Yes. He seems honest to god clinically insane to me. It’s quite disturbing that he’s running for President rather than seeking psychiatric care.

Crazy people don’t seek psychiatric care until their mental health issue makes life difficult for them. Ben’s mental health issues seem to help him succeed in the wingnut subculture, so he has no idea that he can’t engage with the real world, and is proudly delusional.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:13:51pm

re: #183 b.d.

“…again, there’s no such thing as a West Point “offer.” it does not exist. “

Not only did he get an offer, he pledged their most exclusive fraternity!!!

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Kid A  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:14:14pm

Carson to appear on Hannity’s radio show today. I’ll listen so you don’t have to.

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:14:48pm

re: #190 Kid A

Carson to appear on Hannity’s radio show today. I’ll listen so you don’t have to.

bless you, bring whisky

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:15:01pm

re: #190 Kid A

Carson to appear on Hannity’s radio show today. I’ll listen so you don’t have to.

You brave soul.

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WhatEVs  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:15:05pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:16:32pm

re: #51 lawhawk

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:17:39pm

re: #194 No Country For Old Haters

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Because someone has to pay for his ragehol habit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:21:54pm

re: #115 freetoken

Carson supporters will move to Cruz.

This guy’s son:

Rev. Cruz: ‘Communism and Evolution Go Hand in Hand,’ They ‘Destroy the Concept of God’

mrctv.org

Hey…you’re back! How are you doing?

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:24:29pm

re: #174 Kid A

Thrice-divorced talk show toad says 94-million people aren’t working and are depending on Santa Claus for their welfare; claims real unemployment rate is 20%.

This 94-million figure, FFS, where do I start with this one?

Well, one could point out that many of those people are retired, on disability, or married to a working spouse able to provide for the family so they don’t need to work.

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Tigger2  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:28:53pm

re: #137 WhatEVs

The comments there are precious:

Just replace Liberal with Republicans and you describe FOX viewers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:34:27pm

re: #174 Kid A

Thrice-divorced talk show toad says 94-million people aren’t working and are depending on Santa Claus for their welfare; claims real unemployment rate is 20%.

This 94-million figure, FFS, where do I start with this one?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 6, 2015 • 12:59:52pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

The official unemployment rate is 5.0%. However, if you start counting all the people who want a job but gave up, all the people with part-time jobs that want a full-time job, all the people who dropped off the unemployment rolls because their unemployment benefits ran out, etc., you get a closer picture of what the unemployment rate is. That number is in the last row labeled U-6.

U-6 is much higher at 9.8%. Both numbers would be way higher still, were it not for millions dropping out of the labor force over the past few years.

Some of those dropping out of the labor force retired because they wanted to retire. The rest is disability fraud, forced retirement, discouraged workers, and kids moving back home because they cannot find a job.

MIchael Shedlock, Global Economic Analysis Blog


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