Podcast o’ the Day: The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show

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It’s a few days old, but still timely, so let’s kick off this Saturday with The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show.

Eighteen Wheeler Transport: Special Wednesday Show; We Recap the Good News and the Bad News from Election Day 2015; Erick Erickson Calls LGBT Citizens Perverts and Liars; Goodbye Obamacare in Kentucky; Pot Legalization Fails in Ohio; Carson and Trump and the Nuclear Button; Ben Carson Admits Falling Asleep Behind the Wheel of a Car; Jon Stewart Moving to HBO; Afghani Woman Stoned to Death for Adultery; We Rant About Radical Islam and Whether It’s Barbaric; and much more.

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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:20:03am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:20:32am

Kink Martindale………

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:22:41am

Posted without comment.

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Mattand  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:24:47am

Listened to the podcast the other day. Apparently Bob and Chez think Sam Harris and Bill Maher are right on the money when it comes to radical Islam and Muslims.

I’m not going to stop listening to the show, but WTF. Helluva straw man regarding how liberals dismiss things like women being stoned to death as mere cultural differences.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:31:19am

re: #4 Mattand

Yeah, I have some differences with them on this too. But the story that set them off, about the woman being stoned, really is horrifying and barbaric.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:40:53am

How goes things?

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:43:50am

Just a few weeks ago I saw someone here agreeing with Trump about how “we” shouldn’t tell other cultures what to do (even though Trump was talking about what countries, not cultures do). And while I have yet to see a left-wing defense of stoning, the defenses of FGM couched in anti-racist and anti-colonialist language abound. Here’s a random one:

What’s termed “female genital mutilation” is practiced with wide variations in method in the “Middle East”** as well, not just “Africa.” And generally, the history of the crusade against “female genital mutilation” in Africa is colonialist and racist. Churches and missionary societies worked to consolidate the political influence/coercion of the colonial state(s) over Africans through their crusade against FGM.
[…]
On the other hand, it is important to understand that in cultures where it is practiced, what is termed “female genital mutilation” is a rite of initiation. There is a strong possibility that girls’ participation is coerced through social pressures, and the incentives of new stature and access to land. But we cannot play Savior and declare unilaterally that Western mores are universal, even if applied selectively at home. Also, the term “female genital mutilation” has rightly come under a great deal of scrutiny and critique from African feminists such as Dr. Wairimu Ngaruiya Njambi (see: Dualisms and Female Bodies in Representations of African Female Circumcisions: A Feminist Critique (PDF)) and Dr. L. Amede Obiora (see: Bridges and Barricades: Rethinking Polemics and Intransigence in the Campaign Against Female Circumcision). This tendency to apply Western rationality in the form of declarations, sanctions and laws to culturally-specific practices is a continual shortcoming of Western feminisms- so often they are bounded by national borders, yet make universalistic, transnational claims to “right.” In this process, the “Third World Woman” and her body are again subject to scrutiny and control.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:53:15am
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It's on his hat!  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:55:01am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s also very Frontier Gibberish of him to Capitalize Every Word, Including Ones That Don’t Deserve It Even In Title Case.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:55:46am

re: #9 It’s on his hat!

It’s also very Frontier Gibberish of him to Capitalize Every Word, Including Ones That Don’t Deserve It Even In Title Case.

sO sAY WE AlL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:58:35am

po verbs,
po nouns,
po adjectives…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 11:59:54am

re: #7 Nyet

We don’t have the right to just go in and kick heads and effect “regime change” because we disagree with certain cultural practices. But we do have a moral duty to apply as much pressure as we can to create some sort of effective change.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:03:03pm

re: #12 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We don’t have the right to just go in and kick heads and effect “regime change” because we disagree with certain cultural practices. But we do have a moral duty to apply as much pressure as we can to create some sort of effective change.

Well said.

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retired cynic  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:03:47pm

re: #12 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We wear high spike heels, do piercings and plastic surgery in this country, for style’s sake. (I am NOT equating high heels with genital mutilation.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:04:09pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

No god of mine would demand I fear them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:04:31pm

re: #14 retired cynic

We wear high spike heels, do piercings and plastic surgery in this country, for style’s sake. (I am NOT equating high heels with genital mutilation.)

fashion mutilation.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:05:44pm

Here [pdf] is one of many left-wing defenses of FGM, if you can stomach it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:09:27pm

re: #17 Nyet

Here [pdf] is one of many left-wing defenses of FGM, if you can stomach it.

I remember telling someone in Flagstaff, AZ that I would have nothing more to do with a certain Cherokee Indian acquaintance because he obviously beat up on his Cherokee girlfriend.

The fellow just shrugged it off and said “Maybe that’s just the way they do things on the Reservation.”

Same mentality.

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stpaulbear  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:11:16pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘It’s on his wall!”

It also kind of looks like that comma was added after the words were already in place.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:13:36pm

RationalWiki:

rationalwiki.org

Cultural relativists’ defence of child abuse

Some cultural relativists defend the use of female genital mutilation as part of a mystical spiritual journey that a young girl takes within the boundaries of tribal identity to make her body more beautiful and virtuous. This image is strikingly different to the one of a girl being held down as an old woman nicks off her clitoris with a rusty knife.
A small minority of the most extreme “social constructivists” such as Carla Obermeyer[wp] write off arguments about the medical complications that result from female genital mutilation as highly exaggerated and lacking sound medical investigation. Considering the near lack of even rudimentary medical facilities in less-developed areas and the fact that in some cases male doctors (often the only trained doctors in some regions) are not allowed to examine female genitalia, the lack of medical evidence is not surprising. However there are documented cases of serious medical complications involved with the removal of a bodily organ by an untrained individual.
Others claim that a small nick as practised in many cases is harmless in comparison to full out removal of the vulva. However even slight damage to the clitoris will often result in a depravity of sexual sensitivity. One wouldn’t cut off the top 5 centimeters of a boys penis and claim that it is harmless compared to chopping the whole thing off.
A recent article by Janice Boddy[wp] claims that genital mutilation is a loaded term which only westerners use. According to the report African woman consider the procedure a “beautification”, or a “honorification” or a “womanization”. The outright force involved and lack of consultation with the girl nor ability to make a personal informed decision on her own accord makes such idealistic adjectives seem absurd. A twenty year old woman can ask for the procedure if she likes and we can call it “beautification” just as breast enlargement might be considered beautification, however the chopping off of a girl’s vulva under force is full out irreversible genital mutilation.
Richard Shweder, a scary psychological-anthropologist, claims that westerners should not judge societies which perform female genital mutilation, but that they should instead “understand” the culture, believing that we are too quick to judge and view tribal societies through the unfair lens of barbarism and even imperialist attitudes. If asked whether the same principle should be applied to a culture that uses their children as sex slaves or cattle labour…these narratives suddenly become silent. If we should not judge other cultures but understand them then the West should not be judged for its culture of free inquiry, the ability to question archaic procedures and empathise with little girls who are held down under force while their vulvas are chopped off with a rusty knife.

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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:17:22pm

The guy who comes to town about twice a year wearing a loincloth just came in to say he was glad for my recovery. I’m impressed. He’s never spoken to me before. He had shorts or something on under the loincloth ‘cause it’s COLD out.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:20:56pm

re: #20 Nyet

The abstract of Boddy’s article:

womb as oasis: the symbolic context of
Pharaonic circumcision in rural Northern Sudan
JANICE BODDY-University of Toronto Throughout 1976 and part of 1977 I conducted ethnographic research in a small Sudanese village (Hofriyat, a pseudonym) located on the Nile some 200 km downstream of the capital city, Khartoum. Before I arrived in the area I was aware that Hofriyati females underwent genital mutilation in childhood, and I had read several descriptions of that operation (Barclay 1964; Widstrand 1964). Nothing, however, adequately prepared me for what I was to witness, as described herein. Initially I felt numbed by what appeared to be the meaninglessness of the custom; yet, as time passed in the village, I came to regard this form of female circumcision in a very different light. In the present paper I discuss my growing appreciation of its significance, for it is only in understanding the practice, its meaningfulness for the women who undergo it, and its embeddedness in village culture, that those who are presently committed to its eradication (see Assaad 1980; el-Saadawi 1980; Hosken 1979; Morgan and Steinem 1980; participants in the “Khartoum Conference,” W.H.O. 1979) might approach the problem with the sensitivity it demands.

I will spare you her own graphic description of the procedure that she then defends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:26:44pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:28:43pm

GRAIN! (Not a pyramid, sadly.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:32:52pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

You mean there’s more shit there we haven’t found yet? Man, those ancient egyptians were creative.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:33:59pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

So that’s where the grain was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:36:22pm

and moar pyramids!

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:37:27pm

re: #20 Nyet

I think a lot of this is when people attempt to apply some tenant like “never go to war” or “never violate someone else’s privacy” to every situation. In order to hold those true, you have to allow other things that really don’t make sense.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:38:04pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Phillip Kayser says if a government official can’t point to a Bible passage justifying a law, you don’t have to follow it #Freedom2015

I get so goddamn tired of this stupid “God’s law > man’s law” bullshit. These people just don’t get what the Bible really says. About anything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:38:04pm
Oh no! Somebody tipped it over and all the grain is running out !!! (City Hall, Tempe AZ)
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:41:12pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

I get so goddamn tired of this stupid “God’s law > man’s law” bullshit. These people just don’t get what the Bible really says. About anything.

(My subjective, selective interpretation of) God’s Divine Law > your objective interpretation of secular law

is exactly what our Founding Fathers wished to prevent by separating Church and State.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:42:40pm

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

(My subjective, selective interpretation of) God’s Divine Law > your objective interpretation of secular law

is exactly what our Founding Fathers wished to prevent by separating Church and State.

The actual idea behind the original verse was supposed to be along the lines of civil disobedience. The Bible says nothing about not facing the consequences for disobeying the law, only that one must follow one’s conscience. I don’t know where in the hell people got the idea that they think they should be allowed to disregard the law and get away with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:42:40pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

I get so goddamn tired of this stupid “God’s law > man’s law” bullshit. These people just don’t get what the Bible really says. About anything.

And the fact that Cruz, Huckabee and Jindal are all at this event, happily endorsing this nonsense, should scare the crap out of any sane person.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:44:17pm

re: #32 thedopefishlives

I don’t know where in the hell people got the idea that they think they should be allowed to disregard the law and get away with it.

From Cliven Bundy!!!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:45:28pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

From Cliven Bundy!!!

I know you jest, but it’s a mindset that’s been around a lot longer than that. Annoys the hell out of me. Kim Davis is only the latest and most famous example.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:46:02pm

re: #35 thedopefishlives

I know you jest, but it’s a mindset that’s been around a lot longer than that. Annoys the hell out of me. Kim Davis is only the latest and most famous example.

And Hobby Lobby.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:46:53pm
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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:49:11pm

re: #28 Belafon

Some people are so open-minded that their brains fell out a long time ago.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 12:50:51pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

The “lynching” canard was infamously first used by another black wingnut, Thomas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:04:41pm

In a normal world, we would all admire Ben Carson as an accomplished retired brain surgeon who might give the occasional motivational speech at some church convention or Bible university commencement ceremony.

But in our sick political world, we have him giving speeches as a presidential candidate, and when we call him out on his inane utterances, we are accused of anti-Christian persecution, lynch mob mentality and attempted character assassination

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:08:29pm

jeebus, he is such a spoiled brat.

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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:11:14pm

[…]

Then the men and dogs paired up for real-world training. During a mall outing, Baker became anxious. Honor began rubbing against his legs, then climbed up into his lap and let out a big yawn — a calming trick he’d learned.

“And that’s when I realized: ‘Oh. You’re training ME,’” Baker said.

Honor “graduated” along with his siblings. Baker said he’d already slept more in the two weeks of training than he had in year.

[…]

Michelle Baker didn’t need a study to know that Honor was a godsend. The change was immediate — and profound.

Before Honor, Baker would grow anxious if he went to one of the boys’ football games. He’d be a wreck for a week afterward.

“It made him an active member in our family again,” she said.

And it wasn’t just Wade. Before Honor, Michelle Baker felt as if they were all “drowning in an ocean.”

Honor, she said, “was a life preserver who swam to us.”

[…]

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:11:27pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

That would be impressive, if true. Someone should verify it, though.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:12:17pm

re: #38 Nyet

Some people are so open-minded that their brains fell out a long time ago.

Blur Peach

“Peach”

Chemical waste
Best part of the beach
You’re always the way you are
What of that going to close you in
You got a gaping hole in your head
I’d let the birds nest there instead
Aha aha aha aha

A gun in your pocket
& hair in a locket
Around you neck
From the girl you once loved
Where’s she now, you’ve gone crazed
You’ve got a gaping hole in your head
I’d let the birds nest there instead
Aha aha aha aha

You’ve got a gaping hold in your head
I’d let the birds nest there instead [X4]
Aha aha aha aha

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:13:03pm

re: #43 Belafon

That would be impressive, if true. Someone should verify it, though.

It’s probably just one of those #BenCarsonFacts

:D

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:21:38pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, he is such a spoiled brat.

[Embedded content]

He is crafty though. He really knows what he is doing and he is counting on the RWNJs to carry him through everything.

He certainly has been studying the wingnut mind since his retirement.

Also, I wonder what influences he found when he was given the Presidential Metal of Freedom by Bush. I wonder if that created or help create a desire to run for president?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:22:09pm

I feel…no energy for this cycle.

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Mentis Fugit  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:23:35pm

re: #38 Nyet

Some people are so open-minded that their brains fell out a long time ago.

Magazine My Mind Ain’t So Open - Peel Show

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2015 • 1:24:17pm

re: #47 Amory Blaine

I feel…no energy for this cycle.

Hi, Jeb!


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