Monday Night “Total Loss” Open Thread

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Here’s an open thread as I deal with the cascading consequences of a minor fender bender (not my fault) that has turned into an insurance company wanting to declare my car a total loss, take possession of it, and pay me a fraction of what it’s worth. And it’s in really good shape, with relatively low mileage.

That’s been your humble narrator’s wonderful day today.

I may have to end up buying a new/used car in the next few days (the insurance company of the guy who hit me is really pushing to get this done immediately), a huge expense I wasn’t planning on, which is always fun. If you have a few extra pennies to contribute to the LGF blog fund, now would be a great time!

Meanwhile, here’s an old school open thread.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:01:34pm
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b.d.  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:03:21pm

Sorry about your accident Charles

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:03:44pm

Bummer, Charles: what make of car are they trying to diddle you out of?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:06:38pm

Damn, accidents like this suck. Hope things work out as best as possible Charles.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:06:49pm

Get a lawyer. Not one from Missouri.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:06:55pm

I’m also curious about what kind of vehicle we are talking about here. Also, am I allowed to ask which insurance company this is?

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gwangung  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:08:25pm

re: #1 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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Bald faced liar. BLM activists were the first to note the incident. They noted the child was white and autistic.

Reilly is being a liar and a bigot on this.

And his white audience will refuse to hear differently

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:09:45pm

re: #7 gwangung

Bald faced liar. BLM activists were the first to note the incident. They noted the child was white and autistic.

Reilly is being a liar and a bigot on this.

And his white audience will refuse to hear differently

A liar on Fox News? Well, I never!

/

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KingKenrod  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:10:00pm

The same thing happened to me (in Texas). Car was declared a loss, but still drive-able with a few repairs. However, the insurance company offered me a slightly lesser settlement if I wanted to keep the car (it was about 90% of the total loss payment), which I did. I still have the car, 238,000 miles.

At the first whiff that an insurance company is not being fair, I’d hire (or at least threaten to hire) a lawyer. As long as there’s no question you are not at fault.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:10:01pm

re: #3 Jay C

Bummer, Charles: what make of car are they trying to diddle you out of?

A Mitsubishi Montero. Kind of old but still in really good condition. Really sad to see it declared a total loss just because of minor damage. I’ll miss this old war horse.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:10:44pm

re: #7 gwangung

Bald faced liar. BLM activists were the first to note the incident. They noted the child was white and autistic.

Reilly is being a liar and a bigot on this.

And his white audience will refuse to hear differently

It’s a well laid out strategy. Over and over.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:12:45pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Insurance companies are quite the things. They want to declare a total loss so they don’t have to deal with the cost of dealing with repair shops and possible claims later of bad repair work, etc.

It’s another manifestation of our throw-away culture.

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missliberties  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:15:31pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

( !! I just wanted to thank you for turning me on to Andy Timmons. I can’t get enough of his music, and I had never even heard of him before. !! )

A fender bender should not make your car a total loss. That makes no sense to me.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:15:40pm

NYT declares:

Hoping for His Backing, Jeb Bush Meets With a Cautious Scott Walker

I’m trying to figure out how getting the “backing” of someone who was so unpopular he had to drop out before anyone else did, can help Jeb!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:17:39pm

re: #14 freetoken

NYT declares:

Hoping for His Backing, Jeb Bush Meets With a Cautious Scott Walker

I’m trying to figure out how getting the “backing” of someone who was so unpopular he had to drop out before anyone else did, can help Jeb!

Next he’s going to try and secure an endorsement from Jim Bob Duggar.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:19:56pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Next he’s going to try and secure an endorsement from Jim Bob Duggar.

Sadly, that might actually carry more weight in America.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:20:09pm

re: #9 KingKenrod

Unfortunately in California there are pretty strict rules about re-registering a car as a “salvage” vehicle. I did the math and getting the needed repairs and inspections if I kept the car would be much more expensive than buying a decent used car.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:23:19pm

re: #14 freetoken

NYT declares:

Hoping for His Backing, Jeb Bush Meets With a Cautious Scott Walker

I’m trying to figure out how getting the “backing” of someone who was so unpopular he had to drop out before anyone else did, can help Jeb!

Jeb/Walker… Remember my prediction? It’s the connected ticket. Even if Jeb is a doof.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:26:41pm

re: #18 Pawn of the Oppressor

Jeb/Walker… Remember my prediction? It’s the connected ticket. Even if Jeb is a doof.

It was my belief early too - this is the ticket that the inner, monied, establishment GOP wants.

Too bad the pew populators want more Je$u$, and the xenophobes want fewer Messicans.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:26:56pm

re: #13 missliberties

A fender bender should not make your car a total loss. That makes no sense to me.

I know - but that’s how they do you. If the body shop gives them an estimate that’s one cent higher than the blue book value, “total loss.” Your car is invalid.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:30:35pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I know - but that’s how they do you. If the body shop gives them an estimate that’s one cent higher than the blue book value, “total loss.” Your car is invalid.

I drove a salvage for awhile. Not sure about the legalities. I signed off with Geico, kept the minimum coverage. They paid me, I paid a repair guy. Drove it till it blew a gasket. I loved that 2000 Focus though. I probably got 25K extra miles.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:32:37pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea Toujours

I drove a salvage for awhile. Not sure about the legalities. I signed off with Geico, kept the minimum coverage. They paid me, I paid a repair guy. Drove it till it blew a gasket. I loved that 2000 Focus though. I probably got 25K extra miles.

I had a 2002 ford focus wagon that I gave to my oldest to drive at college. I call it the Windows XP of cars: It did what it was supposed to do well and didn’t try to do anything else. Unless he messes it up, I’ll get it back and give it to the next kid (my three kids are about 5 years apart.)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:35:02pm

re: #22 Belafon

I had a 2002 ford focus wagon that I gave to my oldest to drive at college. I call it the Windows XP of cars: It did what it was supposed to do well and didn’t try to do anything else. Unless he messes it up, I’ll get it back and give it to the next kid (my three kids are about 5 years apart.)

I have a 2014 now. Love that car.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:35:03pm

1 hour and 30 minutes to go. There is a 10gb patch which goes live at 9:00 and then its time to start wandering.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:36:20pm

RE: the comments about CCJ downstairs, did you see this winner?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:36:30pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea Toujours

I have a 2014 now. Love that car.

If I get DM tweets, the sync reads them out to me. Kind of freaky!

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:37:32pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea Toujours

Focus Wagon

The room in the back of the focus was awesome and you could fold the back seats completely down.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:37:42pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Typical white supremacist crap.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:40:26pm

re: #24 Kragar

1 hour and 30 minutes to go. There is a 10gb patch which goes live at 9:00 and then its time to start wandering.

10 gb is far beyond a patch…

Sigh. I miss running Unix v7 on a 5mb disk. Now get off my lawn…

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:41:02pm

re: #28 freetoken

Typical white supremacist crap.

One good look at anyone calling them self a White Supremacist is all the proof needed to discredit the theory of White Supremacy.

Case in point:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:41:38pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

RE: the comments about CCJ downstairs, did you see this winner?

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Remember though - he’s definitely not a racist or a white supremacist. Even though he sounds exactly like one.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:42:22pm

re: #30 Kragar

The “left leaning” Chuck C. Johnson.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:42:24pm

re: #27 Belafon

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The room in the back of the focus was awesome and you could fold the back seats completely down.

If the Focus is a-rocking, don’t come a-knocking

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:42:36pm

re: #29 William Lewis

10 gb is far beyond a patch…

Sigh. I miss running Unix v7 on a 5mb disk. Now get off my lawn…

Not really a patch, they did a preinstall of the full game, but the last 10gb is what activates the final product. They want to discourage people from hacking the game and starting it before the official release date.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:43:16pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:45:31pm

re: #30 Kragar

One good look at anyone calling them self a White Supremacist is all the proof need to discredit the theory of White Supremacy.

Case in point:

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He looks so pleased with himself, but you can tell he doesn’t ride much.

(I had to put on my sunglasses to view the photo. Too much glare.)

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:47:22pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He looks so pleased with himself, but you can tell he doesn’t ride much.

(I had to put on my sunglasses to view the photo. Too much glare.)

“BASK IN THE MAJESTY OF MY PASTY RADIANCE AND STARE IN AWE AT MY GLORIOUS TEETS!”

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retired cynic  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:47:34pm

re: #32 jaunte

The “left leaning” Chuck C. Johnson.

The photo must be reversed!

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:50:37pm

I just saw a commercial for Nespresso coffee featuring George Clooney and Danny DaVito. My only thought while watching it was: how much did that cost? Because I can only imagine the budget for it was more than many, many low budget feature films.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:50:53pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He looks so pleased with himself, but you can tell he doesn’t ride much.

(I had to put on my sunglasses to view the photo. Too much glare.)

It show’s his level of self awareness that he’d even post that photo.

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No Depression  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:50:58pm

re: #1 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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Fuck Bill O’Reilly.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:51:15pm
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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:52:25pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Chuck doesn’t understand how drunken master kung fu actually works.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:53:13pm

Just dropping this off in case anyone needs a laugh.

G’nite, lizards. ;-)

Video

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:54:21pm

President Cain would like to remind you that a lot can happen in the next 364 days

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:55:18pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Remember though - he’s definitely not a racist or a white supremacist. Even though he sounds exactly like one.

Mathematically, the comment makes very little sense. IQ within any random population falls along the standard distribution curve (the “bell curve”). But the population of immigrants arriving in the USA is not random. It’s a self-selecting group, and you could just as easily find their average IQ would be slightly above the American national average. (Which is 100, by design, because IQ tests are normed examinations.)

Meanwhile, the population of the USA is about 320 million. About 1 million people immigrate to the USA each year, which is 0.3% of the US population — a tiny fraction that will do little to “change” the average IQ of the nation.

Chuck’s argle-bargle is just a science-y way of saying “brown and black people are inferior to whites. Asians get a pass, because the women are HOTT.”

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:55:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:56:09pm

Looks like Chuck got into his meth stash tonight. He’s posting one batshit crazy rant after another on Facebook.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:56:55pm

re: #47 Kragar

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It’s the little things.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:57:29pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I saw that, too. His legal cases must be driving him a little batty. Gawker’s responses are due Thursday, and he has a deposition in the Planned Parenthood case Monday.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:57:46pm

Even Chuck’s fans think he’s losing it.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:58:34pm

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

People who crow the loudest about their IQ fail to remember it was originally designed as a tool to find out who in society needed more help learning, not to separate people out as special little snowflakes.

Or as Stephen Hawkings put it, “People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:59:00pm

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s argle-bargle is just a science-y way of saying “brown and black people are inferior to whites. Asians get a pass, because the women are HOTT.”

Oh, if they could find some way to let Latinas in while keeping the men out, they’d go for that—a lot of them are HOTT too!

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missliberties  Nov 9, 2015 • 7:59:47pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Could you take the cash, keep the car and get a different insurance company? Or is that crazy?

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:00:17pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Looks like Chuck got into his meth stash tonight. He’s posting one batshit crazy rant after another on Facebook.

You got that right. What a piece of shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:00:39pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

He acts like only *he* could find out stuff with his “research” — searching the Internet for incriminating/embarrassing evidence. It’s not really that hard, and Politico probably has some people on staff who can do it well.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:02:16pm

re: #53 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, if they could find some way to let Latinas in while keeping the men out, they’d go for that—a lot of them are HOTT too!

Selma Hayek.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:03:10pm

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He acts like only *he* could find out stuff with his “research” — searching the Internet for incriminating/embarrassing evidence. It’s not really that hard, and Politico probably has some people on staff who can do it well.

How’s his search for an intern going? Has he had any luck finding somebody who will work for “Chuck-Bucks”, redeemable at the “Chuck-Shop” for “Chuck-Swag”?

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:03:58pm

re: #54 missliberties

Could you take the cash, keep the car and get a different insurance company? Or is that crazy?

Probably not: when an insurance company “totals out” a car, the payoff to the owner (however paltry it may be) is usually in exchange for the title. They then either sell it or junk it for the parts/ metal value. And changing companies may or may not be a useful ploy; in general, they all mainly suck.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:04:18pm

re: #39 KGxvi

I just saw a commercial for Nespresso coffee featuring George Clooney and Danny DaVito. My only thought while watching it was: how much did that cost? Because I can only imagine the budget for it was more than many, many low budget feature films.

Probably three times the budget for Plan 9 From Outer Space.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:06:02pm

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

Probably three times the budget for Plan 9 From Outer Space.

And 10 times that of Kung Fury

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allegro  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:07:01pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He looks so pleased with himself, but you can tell he doesn’t ride much.

(I had to put on my sunglasses to view the photo. Too much glare.)

He’s desperately trying to suck in his gut. That’s why the weird posture.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:08:31pm

There are now 20,607 comments on today’s inaugural entry on facebook.com .

Fortunately on some of them are ugly.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:12:25pm

re: #54 missliberties

Could you take the cash, keep the car and get a different insurance company? Or is that crazy?

The way I read it, Charles wasn’t at fault, so the other driver’s insurance is the one on the hook, hence their rush to declare a total loss and pressuring Charles to take a payout.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:14:09pm
People who crow the loudest about their IQ fail to remember it was originally designed as a tool to find out who in society needed more help learning, not to separate people out as special little snowflakes.

He’s so fucking smart that while we’re all going to our day jobs next week, he’s going to a Deposition for at least the second lawsuit he’s gotten himself into.

Yup. High-IQ.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:15:18pm

re: #65 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s so fucking smart that while we’re all going to our day jobs next week, he’s going to a Deposition for at least the second lawsuit he’s gotten himself into.

Yup. High-IQ.

“Dipshit” is more like it…

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:16:54pm

I see Bachmann is in the news claiming that Jesus is coming, which is quite frankly more information than I needed about her landscapers sex life.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:21:04pm

re: #54 missliberties

Could you take the cash, keep the car and get a different insurance company? Or is that crazy?

Nope. In order to get the cash you have to sign the car over to them. I could take a much lower payment if I wanted to keep the car myself, but then I’d have to declare it as a “salvage” vehicle and jump through a bunch of expensive hoops that would end up costing me a lot of money - only to end up with a car that had even less resale value than before because it’s a salvage vehicle. The best option seems to be to take the higher payment, give them the car, and get a new/used car to replace it.

I wasn’t prepared for this level of expense at this time. But here it is. Gonna have to make it work somehow.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:23:35pm

re: #62 allegro

He’s desperately trying to suck in his gut. That’s why the weird posture.

The horse is probably wondering why the rider is leaning back when they’re already at rest. Probably it’s a “rent-a-horse” and used to inexperienced riders, though.

I’m waiting for Chuck to read this and say something about how he rode a pony when he was 6, and is therefore an experienced horseman.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:27:06pm

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m waiting for Chuck to read this and say something about how he rode a pony when he was 6, and is therefore an experienced horseman.

That’s how he delivered the papers on his route.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:27:25pm
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:30:02pm
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Snarknado!  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:30:40pm

re: #72 Kragar

In adults…

Edit: I didn’t notice before — is the tag really #ScrewFLUEShots? Hahahahahahahahaha.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:31:02pm

re: #72 Kragar

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He seems nice…

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:31:33pm

re: #74 TedStriker

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:32:30pm

re: #75 Kragar

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Electroshock treatments.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:32:45pm

re: #72 Kragar

Shooting flues is not a good idea, that could compromise the closed system in place to keep deadly smoke and gases out of your living space. I’m all for not shooting flues too!

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:34:24pm

re: #76 TedStriker

Electroshock treatments.

I’d suggest a genital cuff, but I don’t think they make them that small.

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WhatEVs  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:34:27pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He looks so pleased with himself, but you can tell he doesn’t ride much.

(I had to put on my sunglasses to view the photo. Too much glare.)

I don’t know if he rides or not but I think he’s sucking his gut in trying to look phat. he just looks…pasty and uncomfortable.

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Mattand  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:35:45pm

re: #72 Kragar

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Didn’t realize Bill Maher was tweeting under a different screen name.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:36:34pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

Shooting flues is not a good idea, that could compromise the closed system in place to keep deadly smoke and gases out of your living space. I’m all for not shooting flues too!

Cleaning the flue is a good idea, though. Reduces the chances of chimney fires.

(My friends lost their house from a chimney fire. They had used the fireplace all day, but let the fire die out as they went to sleep. Smoke alarms roused them out of bed a few hours later. They survived, but the house was a loss.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:37:54pm

re: #79 WhatEVs

I don’t know if he rides or not but I think he’s sucking his gut in trying to look phat. he just looks…pasty and uncomfortable.

Someone suggested he was trying to imitate Putin on horseback. Putin, though, looks like he knows how to ride a horse.

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Lidane  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:40:31pm

Is it November 2016 yet?

*facepalm*

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:41:35pm

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cleaning the flue is a good idea, though. Reduces the chances of chimney fires.

(My friends lost their house from a chimney fire. They had used the fireplace all day, but let the fire die out as they went to sleep. Smoke alarms roused them out of bed a few hours later. They survived, but the house was a loss.)

I had a chimney fire at a house I lived in outside of Gunnison, CO. Turns out the damn chimney hadn’t been cleaned in years, the creosote was a couple of inches thick. Fortunately we caught it in time, we had the fire out before the fire department showed up (the house was several miles from town, if we had waited for the fire department to come and put the fire out, it would have been a lot worse, took them 20 minutes to get to the house!). They doused it again anyways and flooded the living room. Our landlords put us up in a hotel for three days to clean up and clean the damn chimney. That was some scary shit!

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:42:55pm
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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:43:13pm
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:46:18pm

re: #86 jaunte

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WhatEVs  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:46:39pm

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone suggested he was trying to imitate Putin on horseback. Putin, though, looks like he knows how to ride a horse.

Could very well be. IMHO, both pics are kinda gross. Chunky for obvious reasons, and Putin is hardly All That. Kinda reminds me of Geraldo sans shirt. Ick.

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WhatEVs  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:48:56pm

re: #88 WhatEVs

Could very well be. IMHO, both pics are kinda gross. Chunky for obvious reasons, and Putin is hardly All That. Kinda reminds me of Geraldo sans shirt. Ick.

Ha! Autocorrect strikes again.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:49:02pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

I had a chimney fire at a house I lived in outside of Gunnison, CO. Turns out the damn chimney hadn’t been cleaned in years, the creosote was a couple of inches thick. Fortunately we caught it in time, we had the fire out before the fire department showed up (the house was several miles from town, if we had waited for the fire department to come and put the fire out, it would have been a lot worse, took them 20 minutes to get to the house!). They doused it again anyways and flooded the living room. Our landlords put us up in a hotel for three days to clean up and clean the damn chimney. That was some scary shit!

The same with them. It was an older house, and apparently the chimney hadn’t been cleaned in years.

That’s why chimneysweeps were an important profession back in the days of wood heating. Cleaning the flue was a necessary preventive chore. Unfortunately, the need for doing it has been forgotten by many modern users of wood heat. Not insurance companies, though. If they know you’re heating with wood, some will raise your premiums because of the added risk of fire loss.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:49:24pm

I’m reading the Washington Post’s story on how Carson is wrong about other candidates not getting the scrutiny that he’s getting. I learned this while reading:

The Daily Beast looked at Karen Santorum’s relationship with an abortion provider before she married Rick. For much of her 20s, she lived with the man, who was 40 years older than her and had delivered her in 1960.

Not for nothin’, but the Santorums are pretty fucked up humans.

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dholmes32  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:50:43pm

re: #52 Kragar

People who crow the loudest about their IQ fail to remember it was originally designed as a tool to find out who in society needed more help learning, not to separate people out as special little snowflakes.

Or as Stephen Hawkings put it, “People who boast about their I.Q. are losers.”

I always found the whole notion of IQ and testing to be a right royal pain in the ass. But that’s because while I was smart as hell and read on a college level in sixth grade, I found school boring as hell. I’d regularly get caught reading other stuff in class, because I loved reading books.

ETA: Apparently because I scored so well on these standardized tests, I was supposed to perform well in school. I didn’t.

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Lidane  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:52:10pm

re: #86 jaunte

Related:

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:52:57pm

re: #83 Lidane

Is it November 2016 yet?

*facepalm*

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:53:17pm

re: #90 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The same with them. It was an older house, and apparently the chimney hadn’t been cleaned in years.

That’s why chimneysweeps were an important profession back in the days of wood heating. Cleaning the flue was a necessary preventive chore. Unfortunately, the need for doing it has been forgotten by many modern users of wood heat. Not insurance companies, though. If they know you’re heating with wood, some will raise your premiums because of the added risk of fire loss.

We have a wood pellet stove in the house I live in now. We have it cleaned before the winter starts and once in February. It’s very efficient and produces little to no smoke. Not sure what the insurance policy is for the house (it’s not my house).

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3eff Jeff  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:54:34pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

That’s, unfortunately, the right call. As someone who is currently trying to re-title a salvage vehicle in California, it’s usually not worth it unless the car or motorcycle is collectible, or if you bought the vehicle at auction and are able to do most of the repair work yourself (my case falls into the latter category).

Then you also have to live with the fact that if it gets wrecked again, it will total out with less damage, and the payout will be much smaller. I’m in a position where I’m not planning on reselling the motorcycle I’m working on, and I’ve already thought through what happens if the whole thing goes wrong and I lose the bike. I’ve decided it’s Ok if I have to eat the investment I’ve made in the project.

For a Montero, given the reality, not worth reviving. Given that it’s a large capital investment, and it should be fine to put back on the road, it sucks. It should be more repairable, but that’s modern bodywork for you.

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dholmes32  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:55:13pm

re: #72 Kragar

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Thank God I got my flu shot today (even though my arm is itching right now, still glad I got the flu shot).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:56:49pm

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The horse is probably wondering why the rider is leaning back when they’re already at rest. Probably it’s a “rent-a-horse” and used to inexperienced riders, though.

I’m waiting for Chuck to read this and say something about how he rode a pony when he was 6, and is therefore an experienced horseman.

I thought it was rockets he built as a kid. I have some suggestions as to how he might take a ride on one of them….

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3eff Jeff  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:57:37pm

re: #97 dholmes32

Thank God I got my flu shot today (even though my arm is itching right now, still glad I got the flu shot).

I got mine last week. Shoulder isn’t sore anymore, and it felt good matching my behavior to my politics. I’d want to say that spiting these fools wasn’t my top reason, but it certainly gave me the emotional push I needed to remember to do it.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:57:43pm

My company has been giving our employees free flu shots every year since 1986, and so far everyone remains smarter than Dan Bidondi.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:58:00pm

WOOHOO! Fallout download just went live, pulling it down now.

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dholmes32  Nov 9, 2015 • 8:58:18pm

re: #91 makeitstop

Not for nothin’, but the Santorums are pretty fucked up humans.

I remember that story. Of course, she repented, got on the right path and started popping out spawn with Rick as repentance. *shudder*

Now I can’t stop shuddering. The idea of that man touching me…

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3eff Jeff  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:00:27pm

It’s a big image, so not posting directly, but apropos of Jeb! Will Fix It! in the last thread: smbc-comics.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:01:27pm

Is he serious?!?

Oh Sweet Meteor of Death, where art thou?

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:02:44pm

re: #102 dholmes32

I remember that story. Of course, she repented, got on the right path and started popping out spawn with Rick as repentance. *shudder*

Now I can’t stop shuddering. The idea of that man touching me…

And then they took it to a whole new level of weird with the Dead Fetus in a Jar. Just so damn creepy.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:02:50pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

I nearly lost my apartment earlier this year to a chimney fire at the other end of my building. The fire was actually in my old apartment that I had just moved out of. I hadn’t used the fireplace in the four years I was in the old apartment, but it was regularly inspected… Good thing I never used it.

We had an ice storm move in which prompted the neighbors to use their fireplace. The Fire Department came by at 7 AM to a call about smoke from around the chimney, they evacuated my building, scuttled around for a while, and said they “tamped it down pretty good”, then left (notice the words “PUT IT OUT” were not used). I didn’t like that, so I stayed home from work to be present if there was an emergency. Also, there was 2” of ice on everything. :P At about 2 PM my neighbors came by knocking on doors to get everybody out because my old apartment was burning. Whatever the FD did earlier, it wasn’t enough. I later learned that the original call happened at a shift change and they may have been a little bit unmotivated to hang around and make sure everything was out.

I got to stand outside on the ice and wait to see if the whole building burned down, then I was in a Motel 6 for a week with my two cats. I got lucky. The worst part was trying to find and grab my cats during the first emergency, they were in hiding from the FD banging on all the windows and doors.

My takeaways:

1. Have renter’s insurance which covers emergency shelter.

2. Have a 30-second GET OUT plan which includes a small “go bag” with money, documents, and some toiletries, and a way to get your pets secure. Later on the local Red Cross guy said they often rolled up on fires to find people literally naked underneath a blanket, and that’s all they had.

3. Keep your floors and exits clear. I had a bunch of boxes, packing material, and recycling laying around from a large purchase I had made on the weekend which was blocking my main hallway, and it caused real fear and trouble when I was trying to get out the first time.

Fire is fucking awful. I still get anxious when I hear big diesel-engined trucks outside my building.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:03:36pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

Is he serious?!?

Oh Sweet Meteor of Death, where art thou?

Rob Lowe, moral guardian of America, hath spoken.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:03:44pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

Maybe that’s just Lame-DirecTV-commercial Rob Lowe.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:04:01pm

Updating Fallout 4…

Ready to launch in appx… 45 minutes

So many people are going to be pissed. Luckily I remember when Fallout New Vegas Launched so I’m not surprised in the least.

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KingKenrod  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:05:29pm

re: #109 Kragar

Updating Fallout 4…

Ready to launch in appx… 45 minutes

So many people are going to be pissed. Luckily I remember when Fallout New Vegas Launched so I’m not surprised in the least.

Mine went down to 12 minutes, back up to 2 hrs, now back down to 12 minutes. So who knows…

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Black Skeleton d20  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:05:31pm

Fallout 4 unpacking. Yaaaaaaaaaaay.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:05:38pm
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WhatEVs  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:06:11pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

Is he serious?!?

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Oh Sweet Meteor of Death, where art thou?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:06:44pm

re: #112 jaunte

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I actually liked the smarmy douchebag he played in that movie.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:08:34pm

I don’t do Starbucks. I don’t even drink coffee, I’m a tea guy. From what I’ve been reading about this stupid red cup bullshit, the cups never said Merry Christmas to begin with. In years past they had snowflakes and X-mas trees printed on the red cup, this year they went minimalist, and Christian crybabies are crying ‘Persecution!’

If you ask me, this is an elaborate troll.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:08:37pm

re: #106 Pawn of the Oppressor

Creosote will smolder for hours, then suddenly burst into flames. If anything combustible is resting against the brickwork (there’s supposed to be a gap between chimneys and wood framing), it may get hot enough to catch fire, too.

Worse yet is an old chimney needing repointing. Gaps in the mortar will let flames and hot gases out, increasing the chances of a fire.

I heated a house for several years with a wood stove and a wood furnace. I thought about this stuff a lot back then.

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dholmes32  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:11:22pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

I don’t do Starbucks. I don’t even drink coffee, I’m a tea guy. From what I’ve been reading about this stupid red cup bullshit, the cups never said Merry Christmas to begin with. In years past they had snowflakes and X-mas trees printed on the red cup, this year they went minimalist, and Christian crybabies are crying ‘Persecution!’

If you ask me, this is an elaborate troll.

No, it’s clickbait. This guy Joshua Feuerstein is huge on that. He’s using it as a way to make money.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:11:56pm

I don’t think I’ve ever had a flu shot. But I’ve always had a pretty strong immune system. That said, if I had kids, I’d make sure they got all the necessary vaccines. Probably including the flu vaccine

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Amory Blaine  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:12:19pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

A Mitsubishi Montero. Kind of old but still in really good condition. Really sad to see it declared a total loss just because of minor damage. I’ll miss this old war horse.

So glad no one was hurt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:12:24pm

re: #117 dholmes32

No, it’s clickbait. This guy Joshua Feuerstein is huge on that. He’s using it as a way to make money.

and sadly, it’s working.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:13:13pm

Found this on my FB Timeline, pretty much sums me up. Have a good evening, and I’ll see you all for the GOP debacle tomorrow night.

Yea, seems about right.
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retired cynic  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:15:14pm

Frankly, I think both Chucky and Putin look very awkward and uncomfortable on a horse, and the respective horses probably wish they were many miles away!

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:15:23pm

Where can I buy these?!?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:17:16pm

re: #123 teleskiguy

amazon.com

And with that, off to work. BBL.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:17:37pm

re: #123 teleskiguy

Where can I buy these?!?

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That is just EVIL.

RBS
(ps. if you find them, let me know where I can order some too)

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:20:05pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

amazon.com.

¡Muchas gracias!

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:23:11pm

re: #39 KGxvi

I just saw a commercial for Nespresso coffee featuring George Clooney and Danny DaVito. My only thought while watching it was: how much did that cost? Because I can only imagine the budget for it was more than many, many low budget feature films.

I know. But I’ve had a Nespresso machine for a while and it makes absolutely incredible coffee!

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:23:37pm

re: #116 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Creosote will smolder for hours, then suddenly burst into flames. If anything combustible is resting against the brickwork (there’s supposed to be a gap between chimneys and wood framing), it may get hot enough to catch fire, too.

Worse yet is an old chimney needing repointing. Gaps in the mortar will let flames and hot gases out, increasing the chances of a fire.

I heated a house for several years with a wood stove and a wood furnace. I thought about this stuff a lot back then.

When we had the construction done on our house three years ago and the chimney guy came to put in the extension, he looked at our existing setup and refused to do the work. It turns out that by law, we could only have two devices hooked up to the flue, and we had three - the furnace, water heater and a fireplace that we’d converted to a gas setup.

In order for them to get to do the work, we had to either install a second flue for the fireplace, or have the fireplace completely sealed off from the flue. We opted for just sealing it off.

We’re looking at ventless gas systems now, but I still get a chill thinking how a stiff wind could have reversed the exhaust and killed us.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:23:53pm

re: #113 WhatEVs

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:23:54pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Great review at Amazon for the outlet sticker!

These do not work. I stuck one on my wall and tried to plug in my iphone. It didn’t work. I was trying to avoid calling an electrician but when I couldn’t get this to work I decided I was going to have to. When the electrician got here and I showed him the problem he started laughing. It was really hot when he got here and I could see that he was sweating so I offered him a nice cold Dr, Pepper before I showed him where the new outlet was. He had just taken a huge gulp when I pointed. The DP came flying out of his nose (along with a few things were too thick to be pop) and ended up all over my white Tshirt. I had just gotten this shirt and it was expensive. The electrician was laughing so hard. He kept looking at me and the outlet and shaking his head. And laughing. He never stopped laughing. He then turned and walked out the door. He didn’t even close it. I could hear him laughing as he drove down the street with his window open.

I am still not sure what was so funny.

If you know a good electrician. One that has a sense of humor I can understand please let me know.

I still think this is a good buy if it would work.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:27:46pm
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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:29:30pm

re: #72 Kragar

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I see Dannyboy is in the running for a Darwin Award!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:33:22pm

re: #72 Kragar

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Whenever I get a flu shot, I always ask for extra mercury. It usually gets a laugh.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:37:07pm

re: #132 Joe Bacon

I see Dannyboy is in the running for a Darwin Award!

The problem with anti-vaxxers is that they don’t just put themselves at risk but a good number of other people as well.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:38:43pm

Lol Steam.
e_e

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:40:59pm

re: #133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Whenever I get a flu shot, I always ask for extra mercury. It usually gets a laugh.

From Wikipedia:

Vaccines with trace amounts of thiomersal (thimerosal) contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose, less than 2.5% of the intake of mercury considered tolerable per day by the WHO.[7][8]

In other words, Dan Bidondi could get several flu shots in one day, and still be below recommended Hg levels. He’d probably get more mercury eating a tuna sandwich.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:41:22pm

I’ll be a big hit for Christmas this year with the RWNJ relatives.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:42:11pm

National Review’s Katherine Timpf gives the Starbuck’s Coffee Cup Freakout the from-the-right smackdown it so richly deserves (the excerpt is the end of the piece):

Getting Mad About Starbucks’s Holiday Cups Is Insane

Of course, it’s only a small fraction of conservatives who are freaking out about this — but conservatism as a whole is being mocked because of this minority. If you are part of the group that’s responsible for this embarrassment, you should be nothing short of ashamed of yourself.

There is a very important election coming up next year. If you want your conservative views to be taken seriously when it really matters, please do a better job of picking your battles. If you won’t do it for the sake of our country, at least do it for the sake of Christians in the war-torn Middle East who have to worry about getting beheaded - because they would probably want to punch you in your face if they heard you whining about something so stupid.

Oh, and if you are really getting this upset about a cup, you’re probably not the kind of person whose temperament can handle caffeine to begin with. Maybe try a Xanax instead.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:43:31pm

Gee Bethesda, why am I not surprised that you need to install a 530MB patch on Day One?

*sigh*

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:44:41pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Gee Bethesda, why am I not surprised that you need to install a 530MB patch on Day One?

*sigh*

ETA; 16 hours!
Most amusing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:47:52pm

re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From Wikipedia:

In other words, Dan Bidondi could get several flu shots in one day, and still be below recommended Hg levels. He’d probably get more mercury eating a tuna sandwich.

Well, plus—that’s ethyl mercury in the tuna, which your body can retain, unlike the methyl mercury that used to be in some vaccines, which your kidneys remove immediately.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:51:50pm

Just give me my Mercurochrome!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:52:41pm

re: #141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, plus—that’s ethyl mercury in the tuna, which your body can retain, unlike the methyl mercury that used to be in some vaccines, which your kidneys remove immediately.

Science facts cannot penetrate the anti-vax brain, sadly.

The stories of parents letting their kid suffer weeks of whooping cough scare the shit out of me. They risk their kids’ lives, because they think a tiny amount of mercury (which is not even in childhood vaccines now) will give the kid autism.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:54:03pm

re: #142 freetoken

Just give me my Mercurochrome!

My parents had some of that in the medicine cabinet when I was a kid. It’s not sold in the USA anymore, because MERCURY!!11ty!!

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 9:55:18pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Just so I’m clear, National Review is a garbage publication written by hateful hacks. I don’t care how correct they are in some of their analysis, I’m not a fan of their filthy sludge being linked here.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:03:51pm

re: #145 teleskiguy

You can not like it but before I left for work people here were asking where was the conservative pushback against this latest stupid “War on Christmas” meme. The article I linked to is part of that pushback and I link to it without apology.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:12:28pm

I was able to deposit some kickback money emanated from award of contracts awarded to Chinese and Malaysia companies in a security vault with a commercial bank in Ghana pending when I will found a trustworthy person to move out the fund from Ghana to oversea bank account for business investment. The need to contact you arose from the fact that the present elected government now to crack down on past immediate government functionaries of (NPP) and trying to trace all the funds that was made through contract awards and other mouth watering deals during our tenure in the office from the year 2000 to 2008, if they succeed in tracing this fund to me, they will seize it and thereby incapacitating my life time opportunities. I wish to relocate this fund in a foreigner’s name to avoid any trace.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:12:57pm

The Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette serves up a double helping of worldview collapse angst:

Court rulings lead to unwelcome changes

The United States Supreme Court ruled (erroneously, I believe) in 1948 that religious instruction in public schools is a violation of the establishment clause and is therefore unconstitutional. Many constitutional judicial scholars believe this was in error, me included. Separation of church and state is not in our Constitution.

This single ruling, along with other Supreme Court decisions, has created numerous behavioral and other changes in our society: School prayer banned; Bibles removed from school; the Ten Commandments’ removal from public domain; nativity scene removal; Christian-oriented plays, songs, etc., excluded; same sex marriage (dogma or doctrine that does not endorse this new constitutional “right” for same-sex marriage is anathema); homosexuality; infanticide; judicial sin; eldercide (a new word defined as “to deny or delay surgical procedures and medication to the elderly causing or attributing to their death — a recent phenomenon); […]

Above are a few examples. Christianity is under attack in the USA and worldwide. […]
Covetousness reigns.

Hiram B. Cooper Jr.

and

Trump is a problem-solver

When I became eligible to vote, I voted for Democrats. Why? It was because my father was an out-of-work coal miner and FDR put him back to work. His love for FDR transferred to me until I became a member of AT&T management and began to understand how business and the government should function.

[…]

It has taken us a while to sink to where we are now. We need a problem solver as president to began a return to the vision our Founding Fathers had for this country. Donald Trump does this for me. But folks say, what does he know about diplomacy and working with foreign governments? If you don’t understand the role of a manager in business, it is problem solving. You may not know anything about an issue but you study it until you are almost the expert on the issue. Trump’s success in business results from his ability to solve diverse problems. […]

Bob Johnson

It’s hard to believe that this is 2015 when the voters are still living in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:13:45pm

As Missouri Activists Block Journalists, a Divide Over ‘Respect’ and Rights

nytimes.com

Here is the photojournalist.

twitter.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:14:01pm

re: #147 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Heh! I got one of those Nigerian Prince emails sometime last month. Took a screenshot for my amusement then sent that shit to the Junk folder.

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BeenHereAwhile  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:14:35pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

A Mitsubishi Montero. Kind of old but still in really good condition. Really sad to see it declared a total loss just because of minor damage. I’ll miss this old war horse.

I went thru this kind of insurance hassle in 1999 in Miami.

My 1990 Chevy Caprice (square box body) was stolen. Great car, throttle body injection, all options, excellent condition, great gas mileage.

Insurance company low-balled me & refused to pay fair market value.

After the rental car option ran out, I bought a money truck for $500, and refused all phone calls from the adjuster.

After two months, the adjuster called and agreed to settle for fair market value.

I them sold the money truck at a $300 profit to a friend to use in Bimini.

Last I heard, the money truck was still going strong.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:18:03pm

re: #128 makeitstop

Good on him for doing the right thing and not just going along with it!

Reading all these horror stories about chimney fires makes me a) want to get a chimney sweep out ASAP and b) want to just tear the damn chimney down in the first place because seriously who builds brick in California and why did anyone think this was a good idea?

Ours is actually blocked off (has never been used since I was in the house) because a white cat + ash = unhappy times for all.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:19:25pm

im still driving a honda i bought in 2000 - 15 years of use and closing in on 200,000 miles

my plan is to drive it until it up and dies

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:23:37pm

re: #149 Jenner7

sigh…what the fuck is wrong with people?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:23:57pm

re: #149 Jenner7

Looking at that quickly, I will say my initial (quick!) first impression is that the journalist in question is handling himself in a mature manner.

I’m seeing lots of different sides go by on Twitter, perpetual outrage machine that it is, and I don’t have a clear understanding of what’s happening because my word count overrides all things this month. (There was some gorgeous thunder this morning, which was fantastic, but it came to wake me up from 5 hours of sleep so that’s what I’m going on.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:25:40pm

I did get to the public practice for the local NHL team today and my takeaway was hockey players are big. Or I am short, but I’m going with the first option.

(Met up with an online friend to hand off a poster, but I’m so glad I finally got out, even if it was awesome and weird to see people who I watch on TV a lot (hockey is motivation to exercise).)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:27:15pm

re: #156 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I did get to the public practice for the local NHL team today and my takeaway was hockey players are big. Or I am short, but I’m going with the first option.

(Met up with an online friend to hand off a poster, but I’m so glad I finally got out, even if it was awesome and weird to see people who I watch on TV a lot (hockey is motivation to exercise).)

Of note: Hockey players wear skates that add a few inches to their height as well as thick padding. The average hockey player is actually a bit smaller than the average football player.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:28:52pm

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

Of note: Hockey players wear skates that adds a few inches to their height as well as thick padding. The average hockey player is actually a bit smaller than the average football player.

Oh, I know. I know. At one point they shifted practice rinks and I ended up following a few of the players and it was kind of crazy how much height the skates add …but the team’s primary goalie is 6’4”. They’re also just big.

This is pretty much the highlight of my past week. (My sister visited and came to the game with me on Saturday but we lost so…) My exciting life, yes.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:38:30pm

Let’s hear it for raw fish:

Cooking in high temperatures and genetic mutations drive higher risk of kidney cancer from meat

People taking diets high in meat should consider consuming it in moderation as it has been found that eating meat cooked in high temperatures could lead to higher risk of developing kidney cancer. Scientists also found that some people may be at higher risk due to genetic mutations that make them more vulnerable to dietary problems in meat.

A new study from The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Centre shows that barbecues and pan-fried meats may increase the risk of developing the most common kidney cancer, known as renal cell carcinoma, or RCC. Meats cooked in high temperatures, or over an open flame, were found to have harmful compounds that affect the kidneys.

According to Cancer Council Australia, RCC accounts for about 90 percent of all cancer cases across the world. In Australia, kidney cancer is considered to be the sixth most common cancer in men, while eleventh most common cancer in women.

Cooking in such ways allow the formation of cancer-causing substances, called carcinogens, in meats. These substances include 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenyl-imidazo(4,5-b) pyridine, or PhIP, and amino-3,8-dimethylimidazo(4,5-f) quinoxaline, or MeIQx.

[…]

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:40:08pm

re: #1 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:40:57pm

Scoffers will be judged!

EGYPT ANTIQUITIES OFFICIALS SCOFF AT CARSON PYRAMID CLAIMS

Egyptian antiquities officials on Monday scoffed at claims by Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson that Egypt’s ancient pyramids were not built as pharaonic tombs but used to store grain.

“Does he even deserve a response? He doesn’t,” Antiquities Minister Mamdouh el-Damaty told the Associated Press on the sidelines of a news conference about recent thermal scans of the pyramids that revealed some anomalies that could lead to new discoveries about their construction.

[…]

Well, maybe Carson will get a response tomorrow night?

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2015 • 10:47:20pm

I’m so hoping Trump opens up on Carson tomorrow night, on all the stuff that’s come out the past week.

It’s supposed to be a “business” debate on Fox Business, but really, that’d be too boring and the ratings folk at Fox know that. So I’m not sure how they will generate the heat, but there will be a way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:01:01pm

This one ended up turning out better than I expected. Enjoy.

Urban Thunder

Do you hear the screaming in the street?
The place where love and hate have come to meet?
As it’s written on the page,
in the classic book of rage,
So it shall be for the butcher and his meat.

The fighters are pressing up against the wall,
fueled by poverty and alcohol,
So don’t just sit in quiet fright,
There’s a war out here tonight,
and I guarantee that you’re not safe at all.

Are you trusting the politicians and the police?
Do you think that they’re the only road to peace?
See the raw truth of the world,
Your old reality unfurled,
In a nightmare that just won’t seem to cease.

There, close by, the fires and the flame,
Restless men have opened up the game.
Believe me when I say,
That after blood runs here today,
Nothing will ever be the same.

A hundred bodies lined up by the cross,
what have we done to suffer such a loss?
Those who remain are clocking out,
there isn’t any shred of doubt,
they don’t want to stick around to pay the boss.

Maybe there’s something in those signs,
a calm atonement for a lifetime full of crimes?
Or perhaps some magic pill,
To drive this revolution still,
and bring halt to these chaotic times?

I’m on to you, your wretched little scheme
but I won’t be the one that joins your team.
While it for sure will make me prone,
I’ll take my chances all alone,
Just little old me, my fears and hopes and dreams.

As the riots roar, down comes the falling rain,
to wash away the sin and torrid pain,
But in the center of the square,
There’s not but a fleeting chance for prayer,
Before the crisis flares right up again.

It’s almost more than I can even stand,
but what could I do? I’m just a simple man.
Deadly talents, I’ve got none.
I’m less than useless with a gun.
hardened soldier just isn’t my brand.

But just the same I’ll stay out here in the cold,
but not from some old sense of brave or bold.
While the strong men keep on fighting,
I’ll be in the shadows writing,
To guarantee this story will be told.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:01:57pm

re: #159 freetoken

I’ve pretty much decided that everything is out to kill me.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:06:00pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:14:45pm
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:59:12pm

re: #159 freetoken

Let’s hear it for raw fish:

Cooking in high temperatures and genetic mutations drive higher risk of kidney cancer from meat

Bobby Bare “Food Blues”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2015 • 11:59:22pm

Always amusing when an old lurker logs in to downding a bunch of stuff anonymously.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:01:55am

re: #167 Kragar

I take it you are still updating?

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teleskiguy  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:08:23am

re: #168 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Always amusing when an old lurker logs in to downding a bunch of stuff anonymously.

“A quiet conservative.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:08:39am

re: #170 teleskiguy

“A quiet conservative.”

Quite silent, it seems.

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Kragar  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:09:07am

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I take it you are still updating?

Nope, been playing for over an hour, still messing with the settings and such, just had it crash on me once

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:09:28am

re: #172 Kragar

Nope, been playing for over an hour, still messing with the settings and such, just had it crash on me once

I see, you are still on the character design boss.

>.>

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freetoken  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:14:21am

MP3 Audio

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Kragar  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:14:49am

Hmm, looks like I’ll need to reboot to get it running again. I guess I’ll check my video drivers for an update before I do that.

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CripesAmighty  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:15:07am

Been there, done that.
Something to remember: the insurance company business model is to take premium and avoid providing service. You are under no obligation to accept any offer. Any ‘settlement’ they pay you is what you’re willing to accept in lieu of taking them to court. So, first, look up the Kelley Blue book value of your car. It’s indexed by year, mileage and condition. Then, tell ‘em this:

1. Theyre gonna fix the car, OR,

2. They’re going to pay you full retail value for mileage and condition (quote the exact Kelley figure).

3. You will retain title to, and possession of the vehicle (a determination of ‘Total loss’ means that by their definition, it has no value).

4. This is your final conversation. They have 24 hours to respond. If they do not agree to these terms, the next conversation will be in front of a judge.

CLICK!

Make sure you log every conversation, the name, location, and number of everyone you talk to.

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teleskiguy  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:22:36am

re: #176 CripesAmighty

Hello! First post, eight months after you registered. Welcome!

This is all good advice, by the way.

I had two cars and a pickup smash into the back of my car on a snowy Wolf Creek Pass years ago. The car was new enough in those days for the insurance companies to pay for all the damages, but it was still a pain in the ass having to deal with my adjusters and three other adjusters, the body work, and infuriatingly enough increased premiums!

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freetoken  Nov 10, 2015 • 1:33:53am

MP3 Audio

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Mentis Fugit  Nov 10, 2015 • 2:00:00am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone suggested he was trying to imitate Putin on horseback. Putin, though, looks like he knows how to ride a horse.

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:41:51am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:43:36am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

You can not like it but before I left for work people here were asking where was the conservative pushback against this latest stupid “War on Christmas” meme. The article I linked to is part of that pushback and I link to it without apology.

Okay glad to see that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:46:49am

re: #145 teleskiguy

Just so I’m clear, National Review is a garbage publication written by hateful hacks. I don’t care how correct they are in some of their analysis, I’m not a fan of their filthy sludge being linked here.

I do tend to agree but I did ask for evidence of right of center folk pushing back against this bs yesterday morning. That said, I see the attempts to call this outrage about outrage were crap since Trump weighed in. and I won’t be surprised if Carson, Huckabee, and the other theocratic assholes throw in their two cents soon too. The mistake made by CNN and FOX was giving this whiny asshole Feuerstein a platform to complain on.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:55:21am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve pretty much decided that everything is out to kill me.

Nice thing about old age—you stop worrying about things that kill you slowly. I’m looking for work in asbestos removal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:58:39am

All caught up on the comments made since I toddled off to sleep last night.
I have a question about this one from downstairs:
re: #347 Charles Johnson

He really is not right in the head. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such boastful narcissism with so little reason for it. And it’s a lie - he has to know the deposition isn’t going to go well for him. The NAF’s lawyers are going to destroy him.

Why is UpChuck going to San Francisco?
The NAF deposition was to be held in Fresno.

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Doofus  Nov 10, 2015 • 4:59:16am

2015 Beard and Mustache Championships!

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Joe Bacon  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:01:13am

re: #148 freetoken

The Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette serves up a double helping of worldview collapse angst:

Court rulings lead to unwelcome changes

and

Trump is a problem-solver

It’s hard to believe that this is 2015 when the voters are still living in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

I deal with multiple callers who utter this insanity every day. And when they call and spit out this bullshit, you hear Rush, Savage, Fox News or “Christian TV” blaring in the background…

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:05:21am

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Tim Tai @nonorganical

Have learned that some people in the video with me are getting death threats. That’s unacceptable and sickening.

sigh…what the fuck is wrong with people?

I do not understand this at all. The students at Missou are trying to keep the media away from the protests? Why? You would think media exposure to racism would be good. I read through this guy’s timeline and still do not understand. Anyone?

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:07:24am
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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:09:07am

re: #162 freetoken

I’m so hoping Trump opens up on Carson tomorrow night, on all the stuff that’s come out the past week.

It’s supposed to be a “business” debate on Fox Business, but really, that’d be too boring and the ratings folk at Fox know that. So I’m not sure how they will generate the heat, but there will be a way.

I don’t know. Look at what Murdoch is tweeting. He is in Carson’s camp (amazingly enough…I suppose he thinks that Carson will be another GOP puppet). What I found riotously funny was Murdoch saying “Look at what he says now not what happened before” which truly gives one whiplash if you consider everything Fox has done over the last 20 years.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:17:03am

re: #187 WhatEVs

sigh…what the fuck is wrong with people?

I do not understand this at all. The students at Missou are trying to keep the media away from the protests? Why? You would think media exposure to racism would be good. I read through this guy’s timeline and still do not understand. Anyone?

Some students have trouble with Chem 302. Some have trouble with Activism 101.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:20:35am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

I get that they don’t want the media framing this (as Morning Joe is doing now… nothing the president did was bad, why is he being asked to resign, etc.) so their point is made. But you can’t keep the media away. That will backfire - as it is.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:23:24am

re: #191 WhatEVs

I get that they don’t want the media framing this (as Morning Joe is doing now… nothing the president did was bad, why is he being asked to resign, etc.) so their point is made. But you can’t keep the media away. That will backfire - as it is.

The happiest guy on that campus is the dolt who smeared the swastika.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:29:18am

The rain has finally stopped. BBIAB.

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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:29:49am

Opening paragraph:

Federal court documents provide some disturbing details about an apparent plot by white supremacists in Chesterfield to incite a race war. They include plans to bomb and shoot up black churches and Jewish synagogues, as well as a plot to kill a local jewelry dealer, and rob an armored car, among other crimes. The crimes were to provide the proceeds to purchase land, weapons and training for the so-called coming race war. But they were apparently foiled by the FBI.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:31:56am

re: #191 WhatEVs

I get that they don’t want the media framing this (as Morning Joe is doing now… nothing the president did was bad, why is he being asked to resign, etc.) so their point is made. But you can’t keep the media away. That will backfire - as it is.

Right. The media being attempted to be kept away will become a sort in itself. It sucks though because I have seen the media including student media do just that with student activist efforts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:34:11am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

All caught up on the comments made since I toddled off to sleep last night.
I have a question about this one from downstairs:

Why is UpChuck going to San Francisco?
The NAF deposition was to be held in Fresno.

Maybe the parties agreed on a SF venue. It would easier for him and his ace lawyer to drive to SF than for Morrison Foerster to send lawyers + court reporters to beautiful downtown Fresno. Cheaper, too. I’m not sure who would be on the hook for those costs.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:37:27am

re: #194 wrenchwench

Nice neck tattoo on that guy. Enjoy prison bubba.

All three men are charged with one felony, for now.

“With all the allegations in there, this one charge is just the tip of the iceberg,” said CBS 6 legal expert Todd Stone. “I expect other serious charges.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:37:40am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe the parties agreed on a SF venue. It would easier for him and his ace lawyer to drive to SF than for Morrison Foerster to send lawyers + court reporters to beautiful downtown Fresno. Cheaper, too.

OK, that sounds possible.
I was just thinking about that time he was escorted from the Boehner fundraiser because (he claimed) that he had an invitation but for the wrong venue; so maybe he was planning to use the same excuse for “missing” the deposition.

omg…I’m thinking like an upchuck…

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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:38:18am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

You can not like it but before I left for work people here were asking where was the conservative pushback against this latest stupid “War on Christmas” meme. The article I linked to is part of that pushback and I link to it without apology.

Then I feel no need to apologize for saying that is a filthy, racist rag only linked here by those who can overlook such faults. I do not follow those links.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:40:27am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, that sounds possible.
I was just thinking about that time he was escorted from the Boehner fundraiser because (he claimed) that he had an invitation but for the wrong venue; so maybe he was planning to use the same excuse for “missing” the deposition.

omg…I’m thinking like an upchuck…

Well, if he fails to show up, he could be charged with contempt of court. The NAF had made a motion to that effect, but the judge gave Chuck a pass instead. The wording of his order suggests he would not be amused if Chuck fails to appear.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:41:08am

Steve Crowder wants you to know he is a complete shitgoblin and a garbage human being==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:42:09am

This meme is for Steve==>

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:43:09am

You know, I never thought, “if I had a hammer” would apply to bashing someone over the head with it, or thinking that a knife would be good for stabby stabby, jabby jabby, the way Ben Carson did pre-college. I’m glad that he moved away from the violent outbursts.

Now, if he could stop with the insane ranting outbursts of fact-free pablum.

Thanks in advance.

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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:43:46am

re: #197 WhatEVs

Nice neck tattoo on that guy. Enjoy prison bubba.

[Embedded content]

Could be a prison tat.

Halderman, says the FBI affidavit, has 17 prior felony convictions.

Also from that article:

“Doyle and Chaney and others known and unknown to the FBI, ascribe to a white supremacy extremist version of the Asatru faith,” alleges a five-page affidavit from FBI Special Agent James R. Rudisill. Asatru is a pagan religion.

Odinists.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:44:49am

re: #199 wrenchwench

Then I feel no need to apologize for saying that is a filthy, racist rag only linked here by those who can overlook such faults. I do not follow those links.

Exactly. That it runs into the Stopped Clock thing occasionally doesn’t take away from the fact that the NRO has become the National Racists Online channel.

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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:46:51am

re: #205 WhatEVs

Exactly. That it runs into the Stopped Clock thing occasionally doesn’t take away from the fact that the NRO has become the National Racists Online channel.

The blatancy comes and goes, but its nature never changes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:50:03am

re: #206 wrenchwench

The blatancy comes and goes, but its nature never changes.

The magazine for upper crust racist assholes that think they’re better than poor racist assholes since they have degrees and drink fine scotch instead of Bud.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:52:16am

re: #205 WhatEVs

Exactly. That it runs into the Stopped Clock thing occasionally doesn’t take away from the fact that the NRO has become the National Racists Online channel.

Right. Really wish the hint would be gotten that nearly all of us including our host see it as no different from Stormfront. I appreciate that they condemned this fauxrage but WW, yourself, and Ski already got at it better than I can.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:53:42am
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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:53:43am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:58:07am

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder wants you to know he is a complete shitgoblin and a garbage human being==>

[Embedded content]

If he doesn’t like minimum wage, he should shut the fuck up about welfare and assistance then since having no wage floor creates more “moochers” than if there wasn’t one.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:59:22am

Trump calls for Starbucks boycott at raucous Illinois rally

But, the RWNJs said boycotts were anti-American, anti-Capitalist, and Economic Terrorism. What gives?!

//

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 5:59:26am

Meeting time. BBIAB

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wrenchwench  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:00:21am

They’ll get it right. They’ll keep working at it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:01:22am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

Automatic ordering kiosks do not prepare food. That technology is still a long way off.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:01:56am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

Trump calls for Starbucks boycott at raucous Illinois rally

But, the RWNJs said boycotts were anti-American, anti-Capitalist, and Economic Terrorism. What gives?!

//

But “no one” is talking about the red cups, this is just a fake outrage about a fake outrage. // But now that Trump has spoken, I expect the other morons to join in about how Starbucks hates Christians because people will not be throwing out paper cups that wish them Merry Christmas this winter.

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Belafon  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:02:34am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if Crowder is worried about the fact that we could replace him with a bot right now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:02:54am

5 Ways Starbucks is Waging War on Christmas

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:03:05am

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Oh, and if you are really getting this upset about a cup, you’re probably not the kind of person whose temperament can handle caffeine to begin with. Maybe try a Xanax instead.

Xanax isn’t enough. They need mass quantities of Seroquel (As a major H1 receptor anatagonist, they’ll sleep like the babies they are.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:03:42am

re: #217 Belafon

I wonder if Crowder is worried about the fact that we could replace him with a bot right now?

He doesn’t even make up any of his own material, he just repeats lame shit from Rush Limbaugh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:03:43am

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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And he’d be the first to complain when said robot gets order wrong. Glad to Little Stevie thinks people wanting better wages losing their jobs is ha ha funny. Maybe a robot should take whatever his “job” is. I’m sure it would do it better.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:04:44am

re: #204 wrenchwench

Could be a prison tat.

Also from that article:

Odinists.

There’s a bunch that should really be pissed at Starbucks for ditching the tree cups.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:04:47am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

And he’d be the first to complain when said robot gets order wrong. Glad to Little Stevie thinks people wanting better wages losing their jobs is ha ha funny. Maybe a robot should take whatever his “job” is. I’m sure it would do it better.

He has a radio show and a YouTube channel. And Twitter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:05:00am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

And he’d be the first to complain when said robot gets order wrong. Glad to Little Stevie thinks people wanting better wages losing their jobs is ha ha funny. Maybe a robot should take whatever his “job” is. I’m sure it would do it better.

Automatic order kiosks in fast food and self-checkout at the supermarket has not replaced cashiers.

Bank tellers, though, are becoming scarce.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:05:20am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has a radio show and a YouTube channel. And Twitter.

But he can’t afford to buy a car.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:05:31am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He has a radio show and a YouTube channel. And Twitter.

Yuck.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:05:55am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

All caught up on the comments made since I toddled off to sleep last night.
I have a question about this one from downstairs:

Why is UpChuck going to San Francisco?
The NAF deposition was to be held in Fresno.

My own half-serious guess is that the NAF wanted to separate UpChuck from his gun(s?), because that nutcase is vile enough and fame-hungry enough to try to ambush them outside the courthouse. And I could see Chuckles killing like that, then claiming it was in response to the “vile misdeeds of abortionists and the persecution of Christians”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:07:14am

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic order kiosks in fast food and self-checkout at the supermarket has not replaced cashiers.

Bank tellers, though, are becoming scarce.

Great point about grocery cashiers. They had self checkout when I bagged in high school. Still cashiers over a decade later.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:07:59am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

But he can’t afford to buy a car.

I think he’s fibbing. He should be making residuals on his movie and TV work, in addition to his pay for the radio show. Of course, if he’s dead set on paying cash for a new car, scraping up that money might be hard on a middle-income salary.

Crowder is a Z-list actor. He hasn’t been on screen in five years, AFAIK.

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b.d.  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:08:02am

re: #217 Belafon

I wonder if Crowder is worried about the fact that we could replace him with a bot right now?

A middle aged white male that just parrots GOP talking points with a little bit of shocking boundary pushing involved.

He is already close to being a robot

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:08:03am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

I do not understand this at all. The students at Missou are trying to keep the media away from the protests? Why? You would think media exposure to racism would be good. I read through this guy’s timeline and still do not understand. Anyone?

Some students have trouble with Chem 302. Some have trouble with Activism 101.

My read on it is that media members, especially student media, were not responsive to the activism until very recently. And from the inside, activists don’t see faithful actors in the media coming in now. Some activists also feel the way the media has come in is a problem, in context of timing and complaints.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:08:33am

Really if the people who prepare your food want a better wage and that bothers you, don’t eat out since you obviously don’t appreciate food handlers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:09:12am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

My own half-serious guess is that the NAF wanted to separate UpChuck from his gun(s?), because that nutcase is vile enough and fame-hungry enough to try to ambush them outside the courthouse. And I could see Chuckles killing like that, then claiming it was in response to the “vile misdeeds of abortionists and the persecution of Christians”.

I’m not sure he’s that nutso (yet).

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:10:19am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Right. Really wish the hint would be gotten that nearly all of us including our host see it as no different from Stormfront. I appreciate that they condemned this fauxrage but WW, yourself, and Ski already got at it better than I can.

The hint is gotten but I just don’t care. I think you’re wrong on that point and I’m right.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:12:11am

re: #231 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

My read on it is that media members, especially student media, were not responsive to the activism until very recently. And from the inside, activists don’t see faithful actors in the media coming in now. Some activists also feel the way the media has come in is a problem, in context of timing and complaints.

If you demonstrate in the dark quiet of your own turf you are sort of missing the point. Messaging needs a medium, even if hostile. The wilder the mix, the better.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:12:29am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

The hint is gotten but I just don’t care. I think you’re wrong on that point and I’m right.

Well why did they hire white supremacists for years? I get “you don’t care” but you have to understand there is a legitimate reason why NRO is viewed by many of us as racist garbage and its actions throughout the years support that.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:12:46am

Allen Toussaint, RIP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:14:02am

re: #231 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

My read on it is that media members, especially student media, were not responsive to the activism until very recently. And from the inside, activists don’t see faithful actors in the media coming in now. Some activists also feel the way the media has come in is a problem, in context of timing and complaints.

I can see that as plausible, based on my own experience as a college journalist. Mind you, this was back in the ’70s, but our newspaper staff was predominantly white. The minority groups on campus were always complaining (with justification, looking back now) that the college daily rarely covered minority events or affairs, unless they affected the overall school community. A case in point was the ruckus about the university endowment divesting any stock in companies that did business with the apartheid regime in South Africa. Other than that, coverage was usually tainted with a kind of disbelief that any minority could be unhappy at our prestigious university.

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ChuckJager95  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:14:59am
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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:16:26am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Great point about grocery cashiers. They had self checkout when I bagged in high school. Still cashiers over a decade later.

Because it’s faster to have a cashier who knows how to process the items for checkout than for someone to futz over a machine and requires assistance in trying to get something to scan or manually enter the SKU or ISBN or other code. And in the grocery store business, speed to process at the front end is critical to keeping store flow going. Costco actually has a metric at their stores showing how fast/accurate their cashiers/staffers are, and rewards those who do a better job.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:16:50am

re: #239 ChuckJager95

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If you’re devoting that much time to pissing off liberals, you’re wasting time. I don’t piss off conservatives by marrying Muslim men while increasing taxes and the minimum wage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:17:35am

re: #240 lawhawk

Because it’s faster to have a cashier who knows how to process the items for checkout than for someone to futz over a machine and requires assistance in trying to get something to scan or manually enter the SKU or ISBN or other code. And in the grocery store business, speed to process at the front end is critical to keeping store flow going. Costco actually has a metric at their stores showing how fast/accurate their cashiers/staffers are, and rewards those who do a better job.

Plus alcohol products. You’re always going to need people.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:18:44am

re: #240 lawhawk

Costco actually has a metric at their stores showing how fast/accurate their cashiers/staffers are, and rewards those who do a better job.

Funny thing: my Costco formerly had 5 self-scan lanes-they are now manned.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:20:03am

re: #240 lawhawk

Because it’s faster to have a cashier who knows how to process the items for checkout than for someone to futz over a machine and requires assistance in trying to get something to scan or manually enter the SKU or ISBN or other code. And in the grocery store business, speed to process at the front end is critical to keeping store flow going. Costco actually has a metric at their stores showing how fast/accurate their cashiers/staffers are, and rewards those who do a better job.

Here in Baja Alabama, any purchase of alcohol or tobacco brings self-checkout to a screeching halt until an over-21 manager keys the sale. (Same thing if your register clerk is under 21.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:20:47am

Why not replace the wingnut talk show hosts with robots? They all say the same crap. Just give the robots slightly different personalities ranging from Beck whiny, Limbaugh hateful, Jones paranoid, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:21:42am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Here in Baja Alabama, any purchase of alcohol or tobacco brings self-checkout to a screeching halt until an over-21 manager keys the sale. (Same thing if your register clerk is under 21.)

Like that here. I usually get my beer in a regular checkout line because of that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:21:49am

re: #243 Eric The Fruit Bat

Funny thing: my Costco formerly had 5 self-scan lanes-they are now manned.

The self-scan lanes are great for people who have 10 items or less that don’t include cigarettes or alcohol, produce or anything else without a barcode. But for people with a cart full of stuff, a cashier can ring up the purchase faster than any customer can.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:22:50am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Why not replace the wingnut talk show hosts with robots? They all say the same crap. Just give the robots slightly different personalities ranging from Beck whiny, Limbaugh hateful, Jones paranoid, etc.

Because armed robots are only allowed for law enforcement and the military.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:22:53am

re: #247 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The self-scan lanes are great for people who have 10 items or less that don’t include cigarettes or alcohol, produce or anything else without a barcode. But for people with a cart full of stuff, a cashier can ring up the purchase faster than any customer can.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:23:51am

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

Because armed robots are only allowed for law enforcement and the military.

We don’t have to arm them. Just program them to say they are armed. Besides that was more a joke about how political talk radio hosts all say the same shit but have subtle differences in personality.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:24:36am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Like that here. I usually get my beer in a regular checkout line because of that.

When someone directs me towards self-checkout I just do a short Luddite solidarity-forever bit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:24:53am

HURR HURR YOUR MAKING TEH MCD’S CLOSE DOWN WITH YR INSANE LIVINGWAGE DEMANDS!!!!! U SHLD BE WORKING FOR $5/HR NOT $15 U WORTHLESS LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!!!11!!!

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makeitstop  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:28:24am

re: #152 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Good on him for doing the right thing and not just going along with it!

Reading all these horror stories about chimney fires makes me a) want to get a chimney sweep out ASAP and b) want to just tear the damn chimney down in the first place because seriously who builds brick in California and why did anyone think this was a good idea?

Ours is actually blocked off (has never been used since I was in the house) because a white cat + ash = unhappy times for all.

We converted ours to a gas log system because the guy who built the house put the damn fireplace in the basement. I told my wife even before we decided to buy that there was no way I was going to lug logs downstairs and ash upstairs on a regular basis. I readily admit I’m too old for it! :)

In retrospect, it’s a good thing I made that decision. It could have created a serious problem.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:28:40am

re: #243 Eric The Fruit Bat

Funny thing: my Costco formerly had 5 self-scan lanes-they are now manned.

They may have experimented with trying to do self-serve, but found that they held up the lines even more as people couldn’t get the hang of scanning everything - or knowing where to look on the items. They could have added them back for any number of other reasons too - such as cashiers also serve as a loss prevention gatekeeper since they can make sure that items are all being paid for - which is backstopped by the security at the exit.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:29:17am

Always insist on artisanal checkout for your craft beer!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:29:43am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody should tell those people working behind the counter that Crowder says their McDonald’s is closed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:31:18am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody should tell those people working behind the counter that Crowder says their McDonald’s is closed.

Yeah looks like that McD has more people than ever. Anyhow I was curious about Crowder since someone mentioned he had been on TV. He was on Arthur? This guy who makes his bones bitch about moochers and shit began his career on a PBS children’s show? Hahaha. I am sorry but wow.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:33:12am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody should tell those people working behind the counter that Crowder says their McDonald’s is closed.

There have been articles in Forbes (maybe elsewhere, too) predicting franchisees will close their doors rather than deal with paying employees $15/hour. AFAIK, no McD’s franchise has closed. The upfront investment to get a franchise is too much to just piss it away because you have to pay your workers more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:33:46am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:33:59am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Yeah looks like that McD has more people than ever. Anyhow I was curious about Crowder since someone mentioned he had been on TV. He was on Arthur? This guy who makes his bones bitch about moochers and shit began his career on a PBS children’s show? Hahaha. I am sorry but wow.

Yes, and he’s native Quebecois, now living in the USA.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:34:32am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There have been articles in Forbes (maybe elsewhere, too) predicting franchisees will close their doors rather than deal with paying employees $15/hour. AFAIK, no McD’s franchise has closed. The upfront investment to get a franchise is too much to just piss it away because you have to pay your workers more.

McD’s should just offer unpaid counter internships.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:34:39am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There have been articles in Forbes (maybe elsewhere, too) predicting franchisees will close their doors rather than deal with paying employees $15/hour. AFAIK, no McD’s franchise has closed. The upfront investment to get a franchise is too much to just piss it away because you have to pay your workers more.

Frankly if they do decide to close, that’s more on the owner than the employees demanding the better wage anyhow. I don’t get people think it’s a good idea to treat the people who handle our food like garbage just for wanting a better wage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:35:13am

re: #260 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes, and he’s native Quebecois, now living in the USA.

Yeah I saw that too. He’s not that much older than I am. Don’t know why I thought he was older.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:35:54am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

McD’s should just offer unpaid counter internships.

Heh don’t get me started about unpaid internships.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:36:47am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR YOUR MAKING TEH MCD’S CLOSE DOWN WITH YR INSANE LIVINGWAGE DEMANDS!!!!! U SHLD BE WORKING FOR $5/HR NOT $15 U WORTHLESS LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!!!11!!!

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lolwhut, I thought McDonald’s financials were great, someone did a page on it because the business reporters were expecting the end of the world.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:37:29am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Frankly if they do decide to close, that’s more on the owner than the employees demanding the better wage anyhow. I don’t get people think it’s a good idea to treat the people who handle our food like garbage just for wanting a better wage.

Their attitude is the job is so undemanding that workers don’t deserve more than $5 or $6 an hour. But they also don’t comprehend that many of those workers (aside from teens and seniors working P/T) depend on that minimum wage job to put food on the table.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:38:03am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There have been articles in Forbes (maybe elsewhere, too) predicting franchisees will close their doors rather than deal with paying employees $15/hour. AFAIK, no McD’s franchise has closed. The upfront investment to get a franchise is too much to just piss it away because you have to pay your workers more.

We’ll have to see how higher costs effect effect things over a year or two. None of the $15/hr wage laws have hit their full effect, nor will any of them do so prior to 2018.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:38:47am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that too. He’s not that much older than I am. Don’t know why I thought he was older.

Because he acts and sounds like an old fart, like so many other young conservatives.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:39:37am

re: #266 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Their attitude is the job is so undemanding that workers don’t deserve more than $5 or $6 an hour. But they also don’t comprehend that many of those workers (aside from teens and seniors working P/T) depend on that minimum wage job to put food on the table.

Right. the narrative I see pushed is that increasing the minimum wage will just take away jobs from teens, I’d counter also that many of those teens are working a PT job to get money for their college educations.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:39:41am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

We’ll have to see how higher costs effect effect things over a year or two. None of the $15/hr wage laws have hit their full effect, nor will any of them do so prior to 2018.

Since $15/hr is less than the adjusted original minimum wage, I don’t expect it to do shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:40:11am

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Because he acts and sounds like an old fart, like so many other young conservatives.

True if I hadn’t known already that CCJ was younger than me, (man I’m getting old), I would have thought he was older too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:40:21am

Broken arm, day 41:
I’m headed out for an appointment with the bone doctor to check on how the healing is progressing.

BBL

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:40:35am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:41:04am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

We’ll have to see how higher costs effect effect things over a year or two. None of the $15/hr wage laws have hit their full effect, nor will any of them do so prior to 2018.

We’ll see what happens but I expect the usual suspects to be proved wrong yet again on wage increases but they have their heads up their asses so far that I don’t expect to see mea culpas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:41:51am

If the graphic is too small “open image in new tab” and embiggen

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:42:04am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s what people should be pissed off about not the employee trying to get a better wage to pay the bills but so many people’s priorities are fucked.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:42:38am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

That’s what people should be pissed off about not the employee trying to get a better wage to pay the bills but so many people’s priorities are fucked.

CEO pay should be scaled to employee pay

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:42:49am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

If the graphic is too small “open image in new tab” and embiggen

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I loved loved that EMT’s response. It was brilliant and to the point.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:43:22am

re: #265 Timothy Watson

lolwhut, I thought McDonald’s financials were great, someone did a page on it because the business reporters were expecting the end of the world.

There’s concern somehow that higher wages will cut into the profit margin, and stockholders will be unhappy, stock prices will fall, and the world will end. Or something.

From my perspective, paying your workers more money might attract better workers and discourage them from leaving, saving employers the time and expense to train new ones. But I’m not a business owner, or an MBA, or a right-wing has-been of an actor, so what do I know?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:43:36am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

CEO pay should be scaled to employee pay

Indeed, if you can give yourself a healthy raise, then you should be able to give the same to your employees. Frankly the CEO is nothing without his employees not the other way around.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:44:48am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

CEO pay should be scaled to employee pay

Then how could your company attract talent like Carly Fiorina?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:45:18am

“There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.” -Henry Ford

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:46:18am

re: #282 Timothy Watson

“There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.” -Henry Ford

It’s amazing that even a bigoted bastard like Ford got that but so many 21st century Americans do not.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:47:34am

re: #282 Timothy Watson

“There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.” -Henry Ford

If he were alive now, Ford would have been considered a socialist, proposing such radical ideas.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:48:51am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing that even a bigoted bastard like Ford got that but so many 21st century Americans do not.

Conservatives seem to think that Karl Marx’s strawman/parody of capitalism is something to aspire to.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:49:17am

Hey, if people working in low paying jobs don’t like it, they should go to college, so that when they graduate with tens of thousands of dollars of debt, they can take the same job for the same wage! Or they can take one of those higher paying jobs the Right also complain don’t exist.

Seriously, they complain that the jobs being created are low wage jobs. Then they piss on people working those low wage jobs for not taking the higher wage jobs they complain don’t exist.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:49:33am

I look at this way. You pay me well. I’m going to work hard for you. And hell I’ll be more inclined to buy from you rather than your competitors. I’ll also recommend my friends patronize your establishment and hell maybe even recommend they work here too. OTOH, if you treat me as just a cheap wage, I’m not going to work hard and I sure as hell am not going to tell people they should patronize your business. Call this a real trickle down economics rather than the piss on you and tell you it’s rain economics that we call Trickle Down economics today.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:49:38am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing that even a bigoted bastard like Ford got that but so many 21st century Americans do not.

He wanted to sell a car that the common person could buy, and starting with his own workers was a logical move. He also wanted to forestall union action, and thought paying a higher wage would help. He was wrong about that latter idea.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:50:43am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Conservatives seem to think that Karl Marx’s strawman/parody of capitalism is something to aspire to.

That’s my observation as well. They’re actually aiding communist/socialist sympathy by not wanting any improvements to the existing system.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:51:16am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He wanted to sell a car that the common person could buy, and starting with his own workers was a logical move. He also wanted to forestall union action, and thought paying a higher wage would help. He was wrong about that latter idea.

Yeah he was anti union since no matter how well you’re paid, you do need a union.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:51:19am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

It will have an effect - mostly on those workers who will now have much more income to pay for stuff, which in turn will help buy more goods/services from others, and so-on and so forth, creating a multiplier effect. The businesses, might see a reduction in profits after all the costs are taken into effect, but that might be offset by higher revenues resulting from people having more income.

Also, the higher wages are being limited to certain cities and localities, so that entire states will not see the effect.

That wont stop some right wing shills for the 1% claiming that if business X closes up (even years before the higher wages take effect) it’s the fault of the higher minimum wage. We have seen that already, and we’ll continue to see it, even as there’s always churn in businesses. Some will go out of business, and others will take their place.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:51:52am

re: #286 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, if people working in low paying jobs don’t like it, they should go to college, so that when they graduate with tens of thousands of dollars of debt, they can take the same job for the same wage! Or they can take one of those higher paying jobs the Right also complain don’t exist.

Seriously, they complain that the jobs being created are low wage jobs. Then they piss on people working those low wage jobs for not taking the higher wage jobs they complain don’t exist.

Exactly.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:56:46am

re: #1 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

BREAKING: Bill O’Reilly is really a dick.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:58:25am

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

BREAKING: Bill O’Reilly is really a dick.

He really is. The BLM movement has repeatedly condemned acts of police misconduct regardless of the race of the victim and police involved. They’ve also stood up for transgendered people as well.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 6:58:44am

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

BREAKING: Bill O’Reilly is really a dick.

At least he wouldn’t go back in time to kill Baby Hitler.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:04:11am

re: #199 wrenchwench

Then I feel no need to apologize for saying that is a filthy, racist rag only linked here by those who can overlook such faults. I do not follow those links.

If Charles does not want links to certain sites posted I would think he’d do something about it.

Oh yeah…morning!

I am not sure why, but I have a feeling today is going to be one of those strange days.

I have the Dan Patrick sports talk show on and it is getting testy as Dan talks about the Missouri thing. He’s trying to talk just about athletes standing up for a cause and he used Muhammad Ali as an example and the next thing you know people were dumping on him for being anti-military because Ali crapped on the Vietnam soldiers.

That pissed Dan off because his father was a Marine and he is trying to get people to talk about activism from people in the public arena. He said he understands that the politics might not be agreed to, but there is some nobility in people giving up playing some football games or a prizefighter title belt.

This country is losing its mojo. People no longer talk and discuss. They seem to talk to get over on someone, or to show someone up or to shut them up. Or to become outraged.

It sure would be nice if there were a big old reset button you could hit to get everyone back on track and realize what makes this country great. We so easily forget.

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makeitstop  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:05:08am

I just heard this song on the radio. Elvis Costello got all the attention as the Angry Nerdy New Wave Guy, but this guy wrote some amazing songs and this one may have been his best.

Graham Parker - ‘Hey Lord Don’t Ask Me Questions’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:07:08am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

What exactly is the rationale behind this law? Makes no sense to me.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:08:58am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing that even a bigoted bastard like Ford got that but so many 21st century Americans do not.

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He wanted to sell a car that the common person could buy, and starting with his own workers was a logical move. He also wanted to forestall union action, and thought paying a higher wage would help. He was wrong about that latter idea.

Thing is that Henry Ford didn’t just want to make money, he also wanted to build his company into something enduring and he was able to do that. Doing that meant he needed loyal employees and loyal customers and he was willing to pay to get those. Than sort of mindset can be contrasted with later-day auto company execs whose main concern is often the company’s stock price, not the firm’s actual health and productivity.

Ford’s loving of ‘doing’ and his belief in his own problem solving ability almost certainly shortened his life when he threw himself back into his company after the IJN hit Pearl Harbor. He couldn’t just sit back and let the younger generation work, he felt he had to get involved and push Ford Motor Company to put out as much war material of as high a quality as possible. He succeed in this aim, then died soon after the Second World War ended. But he did get to go out on top, doing something he did far better than most and that he in most ways loved doing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:11:56am

re: #296 ObserverArt

If Charles does not want links to certain sites posted I would think he’d do something about it.

Oh yeah…morning!

I am not sure why, but I have a feeling today is going to be one of those strange days.

I have the Dan Patrick sports talk show on and it is getting testy as Dan talks about the Missouri thing. He’s trying to talk just about athletes standing up for a cause and he used Muhammad Ali as an example and the next thing you know people were dumping on him for being anti-military because Ali crapped on the Vietnam soldiers.

That pissed Dan off because his father was a Marine and he is trying to get people to talk about activism from people in the public arena. He said he understands that the politics might not be agreed to, but there is some nobility in people giving up playing some football games or a prizefighter title belt.

This country is losing its mojo. People no longer talk and discuss. They seem to talk to get over on someone, or to show someone up or to shut them up. Or to become outraged.

It sure would be nice if there were a big old reset button you could hit to get everyone back on track and realize what makes this country great. We so easily forget.

I guess so but I think he’s made it clear that he does see NRO as racist or at the least racist enabling. Anyhow, Dan’s always an interesting voice. I think what people who get upset at entertainers, athletes, etc expressing opinions on political matters don’t look at is that policies effect them too. That the one African-American former tennis player who was harassed by police. Racial profiling impacted him. Some of these people may come from poor areas hence their interest in doing something about poverty etc. I get that some are pretty obnoxious at times but as long as there are issues that face our nation and planet, there will be opinions.

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:12:18am

This is going to be awesome:

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:12:51am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

At least he wouldn’t go back in time to kill Baby Hitler.

Well, I wouldn’t either, but mostly because I could not do so without erasing my own mother and hence myself by doing so. Without WWII, my mother’s parents would never have met. So I could not kill Hitler before he started the world on the path to war without creating a nasty paradox.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:13:19am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

We’ll see what happens but I expect the usual suspects to be proved wrong yet again on wage increases but they have their heads up their asses so far that I don’t expect to see mea culpas.

Never!

Americans never admit when they are wrong. It makes them look weak. Better to grump on…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:14:12am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Thing is that Henry Ford didn’t just want to make money, he also wanted to build his company into something enduring and he was able to do that. Doing that meant he needed loyal employees and loyal customers and he was willing to pay to get those. Than sort of mindset can be contrasted with later-day auto company execs whose main concern is often the company’s stock price, not the firm’s actual health and productivity.

Ford’s loving of ‘doing’ and his belief in his own problem solving ability almost certainly shortened his life when he threw himself back into his company after the IJN hit Pearl Harbor. He couldn’t just sit back and let the younger generation work, he felt he had to get involved and push Ford Motor Company to put out as much war material of as high a quality as possible. He succeed in this aim, then died soon after the Second World War ended. But he did get to go out on top, doing something he did far better than most and that he in most ways loved doing.

You don’t have to be a businessman to get what Ford was saying though. If money and fortune is your only goal, you really shouldn’t be in business. Besides alot of the people who are ignorant about this rhetoric aren’t businessmen themselves but rather people who have a skewed view of economics I think because they have grown up used to the benefits of hard fought and hard won labor battles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:15:46am

re: #296 ObserverArt

It seems to me that the biggest problem of communication right now is that an entire political party is being held captive by crazy people. The rapid and radical movement to the extreme right, demanded by the crazy people, is leading everything in an absolutist, binary direction. The only hope I see is in the continued quest for ideological purity by the Right, so that eventually the core will be small enough that the Republican Party can escape and reestablish itself as sane. But this might not be possible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:16:44am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
OF COURSE he pays taxes dumbass. He might not pay income tax if his earnings are below the threshold but he still pays sales tax

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:16:54am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

I read a biography of Ford some years ago. He truly believed that the motorcar should not just be a plaything of the rich, and saw (maybe before many other people did) that the future of America depended on a cheap, reliable automobile that Joe Average could afford to buy. The Model Ts were very basic, but rugged and dependable. Eventually, competition from other makers forced Ford to develop more modern cars, like the Model A, but those were still affordable to most people. One of his failed, but surprisingly clairvoyant projects, was to find industrial uses for soybeans.

Ford was a complex man. A champion for the little guy, but distrusting of unions and “socialists.” He was also too trusting of fascists and Nazis.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:16:59am

Donald Trump shrieking manically at a rally on Monday:

“Did you read about Starbucks? No more “Merry Christmas” on Starbucks [cups]. I wouldn’t buy [Starbucks] and, hey, I’m speaking against myself,” Trump told Illinois supporters. “I have one of the most successful Starbucks in Trump Tower. Maybe we should boycott Starbucks. Seriously. I don’t care.”

He’s playing ten-dimensional chess, people!

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:18:18am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Well, I wouldn’t either, but mostly because I could not do so without erasing my own mother and hence myself by doing so. Without WWII, my mother’s parents would never have met. So I could not kill Hitler before he started the world on the path to war without creating a nasty paradox.

The paradox is that if you go back in time to kill Baby Hitler, you no longer have a reason to go back in time in the future.

Besides, the question is based on a faulty premise. Whether or not you kill Baby Hitler doesn’t matter. WW1 still happens. The Treaty of Versailles still happens. The Weimar Republic still happens. The Nazis are still formed, since Hitler didn’t found them. The hyperinflation that almost destroyed Germany still happens. The rise of nationalism around the world still happens.

Even if Hitler hadn’t been part of the equation, someone else could’ve stepped in to become that charismatic Nazi leader who capitalized on German anger and helplessness to rise to power. WW2 still could’ve happened in some other form.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:18:32am

re: #305 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me that the biggest problem of communication right now is that an entire political party is being held captive by crazy people. The rapid and radical movement to the extreme right, demanded by the crazy people, is leading everything in an absolutist, binary direction. The only hope I see is in the continued quest for ideological purity by the Right, so that eventually the core will be small enough that the Republican Party can escape and reestablish itself as sane. But this might not be possible.

The Republican Party needs a movement like what the Dems had in the 80’s to modernize and yes moderate the party as well. But it seems to me the total opposite is happening still. Maybe if the rank and file force a Trump or Carson nomination and they lose by big amount, we can finally put this “If only we had a true conservative nonsense” aside but I suspect even if one of those two were nominated and that did happen, there would still be excuses. Electoral fraud, the Clinton machine, Trump/Carson not being sufficiently conservative and if you think I’m joking about that, think again, I saw conservatives here in Va try to claim that about why Cuccinnelli lost to McAuliffe.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:19:20am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
OF COURSE he pays taxes dumbass. He might not pay income tax if his earnings are below the threshold but he still pays sales tax

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or property tax. I reall don’t want a fucking former child voice actor lecturing me about my work ethic.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:20:52am

re: #309 Lidane

The paradox is that if you go back in time to kill Baby Hitler, you no longer have a reason to go back in time in the future.

Besides, the question is based on a faulty premise. Whether or not you kill Baby Hitler doesn’t matter. WW1 still happens. The Treaty of Versailles still happens. The Weimar Republic still happens. The Nazis are still formed, since Hitler didn’t found them. The hyperinflation that almost destroyed Germany still happens. The rise of nationalism around the world still happens.

Even if Hitler hadn’t been part of the equation, someone else could’ve stepped in to become that charismatic Nazi leader. WW2 still could’ve happened in some other form.

Right. And honestly it could create something worse, actual competent Nazi military leadership.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:22:24am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

or property tax. I reall don’t want a fucking former child voice actor lecturing me about my work ethic.

And he’s a plagiarist. All of his stupid memes are based on lame shit that Rush Limbaugh said.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:23:10am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:23:37am

In my observations, a lot of people who don’t like unions or don’t trust them either don’t know a world where unions had to fight for rights (younger people) or come from well off families who never really had to see the benefits of unionization. I’m a younger lizard but having come from a working class family on my mother’s side. I know first hand about the benefits that unionization of the miners had for my grandparents’ families.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:23:59am

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

And he’s a plagiarist. All of his stupid memes are based on lame shit that Rush Limbaugh said.

Yeah he’s not even original. Being a 28 year old Rush Limbaugh clone is sad shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:24:03am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Right. And honestly it could create something worse, actual competent Nazi military leadership.

Right. Hitler made a point of ignoring or overruling the strategies proposed by his generals. If they had been in charge, the progress and outcome of the war could have been very different.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:24:36am

re: #314 lawhawk

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Shit even children pay taxes. Oh and that guy probably pays some fares on the way to work too.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:24:42am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

The Republican Party needs a movement like what the Dems had in the 80’s to modernize and yes moderate the party as well. But it seems to me the total opposite is happening still. Maybe if the rank and file force a Trump or Carson nomination and they lose by big amount, we can finally put this “If only we had a true conservative nonsense” aside but I suspect even if one of those two were nominated and that did happen, there would still be excuses. Electoral fraud, the Clinton machine, Trump/Carson not being sufficiently conservative and if you think I’m joking about that, think again, I saw conservatives here in Va try to claim that about why Cuccinnelli lost to McAuliffe.

They already claimed that from the last election. They were going to build a bigger and more open tent, blah, blah, blah.

Until Tea Party thinking is totally killed the Republican party will continue to suffer for it. And because our two party system is a wreck so too the country suffers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:25:19am

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Right. Hitler made a point of ignoring or overruling the strategies proposed by his generals. If they had been in charge, the progress and outcome of the war could have been very different.

I have read that’s why the SOE did not seriously pursue a Hitler assassination when it became apparent that Hitler was far from rational in his military decisions.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:26:01am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Everyone pays taxes - sales tax, excise tax, and if they’re working, they’ll pay withholding taxes on their income, which will be refunded come tax time depending on their income thresholds. They’ll also pay all the other taxes and fees imposed at the state and local levels on whatever transactions they engage in - alcohol, tobacco, motor fuels, etc.

It’s ignorant to think there are people who pay no tax at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:26:02am

re: #319 ObserverArt

They already claimed that from the last election. They were going to build a bigger and more open tent, blah, blah, blah.

Until Tea Party thinking is totally killed the Republican party will continue to suffer for it. And because our two party system is a wreck so too the country suffers.

Oh yes the rebranding that has an egotistical billionaire and a nutjob doctor leading the party’s polls.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:26:11am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

In my observations, a lot of people who don’t like unions or don’t trust them either don’t know a world where unions had to fight for rights (younger people) or come from well off families who never really had to see the benefits of unionization. I’m a younger lizard but having come from a working class family on my mother’s side. I know first hand about the benefits that unionization of the miners had for my grandparents’ families.

It’s like the silly wingnut little girls who proclaim I DON’T NEED FEMINISM I CAN DO IT WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM A MAN!!!!1!!!!! thanks to what feminists of previous generations achieved.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:26:31am

re: #321 lawhawk

Everyone pays taxes - sales tax, excise tax, and if they’re working, they’ll pay withholding taxes on their income, which will be refunded come tax time depending on their income thresholds. They’ll also pay all the other taxes and fees imposed at the state and local levels on whatever transactions they engage in - alcohol, tobacco, motor fuels, etc.

It’s ignorant to think there are people who pay no tax at all.

Truly is. Really, we all pay taxes. Some more than others obviously but we all do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:28:09am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Truly is. Really, we all pay taxes. Some more than others obviously but we all do.

Oh and there’s the meme HURR HURR TEH RICHEST 1% PAYS 40% OF ALL TEH TAXES!!!!1!!!! well except they have 90% of the money.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:28:10am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

In my observations, a lot of people who don’t like unions or don’t trust them either don’t know a world where unions had to fight for rights (younger people) or come from well off families who never really had to see the benefits of unionization. I’m a younger lizard but having come from a working class family on my mother’s side. I know first hand about the benefits that unionization of the miners had for my grandparents’ families.

My dad was a small business owner for a long time, and had no patience for unions. [His shop had one employee, so no union there.] Then, he had to give up the business and work as a tech in a factory. It was a union shop, and he had to join the union. Oh, he complained, but it paid well and frankly he needed the job. Then he had to go in for a heart valve replacement. Union benefits paid for most of the cost.

He never complained about unions after that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:28:45am

re: #323 The Vicious Babushka

It’s like the silly wingnut little girls who proclaim I DON’T NEED FEMINISM I CAN DO IT WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM A MAN!!!!1!!!!! thanks to what feminists of previous generations achieved.

Exactly. And it’s why we need better history classes. Women have only had suffrage since 1920. That wasn’t that long ago. I’d say that most of us here at LGF including myself had a mother or grandmother alive when that happened.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:30:25am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My dad was a small business owner for a long time, and had no patience for unions. [His shop had one employee, so no union there.] Then, he had to give up the business and work as a tech in a factory. It was a union shop, and he had to join the union. Oh, he complained, but it paid well and frankly he needed the job. Then he had to go in for a heart valve replacement. Union benefits paid for most of the cost.

He never complained about unions after that.

It’s good that the experience changed his mind. A lot of people and some of them are even my friends bitch about unions but they don’t know or honestly appreciate how they’ve made our working lives that much easier. There’s a reason why we live longer than our parents and grandparents generations and the unions deserve some of the credit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:30:47am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Exactly. And it’s why we need better history classes. Women have only had suffrage since 1920. That wasn’t that long ago. I’d say that most of us here at LGF including myself had a mother or grandmother alive when that happened.

My mom was 6 at the time. Grandma was about 40.

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blueraven  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:32:07am

What in the hell is happening to the youth at many college campuses?

It may be time for a Come to Jesus Moment re: rights vs feelings

I am glad that Mizzou was able to bring attention to systemic racism and I don’t doubt one bit that many Colleges and Universities suffer the same.

But this kind of crap is ridiculous.

Ummm…the esteemed professor in above video who was asking for more “muscle” to remove photojournalist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:32:24am

Steve Crowder is really trying to be a Horrible Garbage Person, because it is a Day

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:32:31am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
OF COURSE he pays taxes dumbass. He might not pay income tax if his earnings are below the threshold but he still pays sales tax

How about a TV preacher meme like Joel Osteen?

DEMANDS MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AND JETS

PAYS NO TAXES

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:33:07am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

It’s good that the experience changed his mind. A lot of people and some of them are even my friends bitch about unions but they don’t know or honestly appreciate how they’ve made our working lives that much easier. There’s a reason why we live longer than our parents and grandparents generations and the unions deserve some of the credit.

I was really dumbfounded when I realized China does not have labor unions. At all. Chinese workers really need to unionize, but it won’t happen. The Party doesn’t want political opposition. At all.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:35:04am

Totally worth $15 for a matinee ticket

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:36:06am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

In my observations, a lot of people who don’t like unions or don’t trust them either don’t know a world where unions had to fight for rights (younger people) or come from well off families who never really had to see the benefits of unionization. I’m a younger lizard but having come from a working class family on my mother’s side. I know first hand about the benefits that unionization of the miners had for my grandparents’ families.

Interestingly, another man who wanted to build something lasting, Walt Disney, was anti-union because of the violence his immigrant father had been subjected to by union workers while building Chicago’s world’s fair in 1892-93. The builder’s unions demanded the fair only employ union labor but would not allow immigrants to join their ranks.

Thankfully, unions in the US have in the main gotten over that particular moral failure.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:36:17am

re: #334 De Kolta Chair

Totally worth $15 for a matinee ticket

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Be my, be my little baby.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:37:12am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

Interestingly, another man who wanted to build something lasting, Walt Disney, was anti-union because of the violence his immigrant father had been subjected to by union workers while building Chicago’s world’s fair in 1892-93. The builder’s unions demanded the fair only employ union labor but would not allow immigrants to join their ranks.

Thankfully, unions in the US have in the main gotten over that particular moral failure.

Yeah the unions did have a xenophobic history. Though the miners in my family were immigrants so no xenophobia by the UMWA.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:37:21am

re: #331 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder is really trying to be a Horrible Garbage Person, because it is a Day

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Is it because it is a Republican debate Day?

Maybe he is just getting the band warmed up.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:38:16am

re: #332 GlutenFreeJesus

How about a TV preacher meme like Joel Osteen?

I watched that Scientology documentary, Going Clear, over the weekend. The CoS owns real estate and property worth at least $1.5 billion dollars. It may be more, as I may be remembering wrong. Since the IRS recognized it as a church, the CoS pays no property taxes on those properties, while essentially requiring members for pay for auditing sessions and training.

The CoS bombarded the IRS with tens of thousands of nuisance suits, and the IRS caved in to make them all go away.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:39:10am

re: #329 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My mom was 6 at the time. Grandma was about 40.

My dad’s mom was 8. And all four of my great grandmothers would have been eligible age wise. I think we just have to understand that just because we may not remember something that the past is not too far away from us. God I forget who I saw post this, it may have been Shaun King of BLM but he pointed out that Emmett Till is younger than Morgan Freeman and then it hit me that Emmett was also younger than two of my aunts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:40:50am

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was really dumbfounded when I realized China does not have labor unions. At all. Chinese workers really need to unionize, but it won’t happen. The Party doesn’t want political opposition. At all.

The Soviets were pretty anti-union as well IIRC. Well anti the non state unions anyhow. So anti-union wingers along with homophobia and sexism have another shared trait with the hated commies.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:41:10am

re: #332 GlutenFreeJesus

How about a TV preacher meme like Joel Osteen?

He worked hard to take your money from you.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:44:06am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

He worked hard to take your money from you.

He was hardly working. He had a receptive audience primed to accept his prosperity gospel. All he had to do was work up an act on stage, mention Jaysus several times, and the money would roll in.

Benny Hinn is another scam artist, with his “healings” and all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:44:52am

Srsly a fast-food “experience”? Does he expect them to uncork his coca-cola and pour out a taste for him to sip?

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:45:15am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

He worked hard to take your money from you.

Osteen is shady as fuck, but he’s nothing compared to Creflo Dollar:

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:46:44am

re: #345 Lidane

Osteen is shady as fuck, but he’s nothing compared to Creflo Dollar:

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I don’t understand why people pay these guys.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:46:45am

re: #345 Lidane

Osteen is shady as fuck, but he’s nothing compared to Creflo Dollar:

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Was he the one in Maher’s documentary? Seriously guys like this make me sick. I’m no longer a practicing Christian but it just makes m sick that a lot of these guys have poor congregations who they bilk out of money to enrich themselves. Plus the megachurch mania agh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:47:15am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t understand why people pay these guys.

No kidding. They don’t deserve it.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:47:29am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

This wont end well for Crowder.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:48:59am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Truly is. Really, we all pay taxes. Some more than others obviously but we all do.

The bottom 20% in income pay twice the proportion of that income in taxes of all kinds that the top 20% does. That needs to be at least reversed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:49:43am

If people can’t afford college how are they supposed to gain those skills needed to qualify for a better job?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:50:06am

re: #343 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He was hardly working. He had a receptive audience primed to accept his prosperity gospel. All he had to do was work up an act on stage, mention Jaysus several times, and the money would roll in.

Benny Hinn is another scam artist, with his “healings” and all.

And Ted Cruz’ father is part of the Hinn franchise.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:50:29am

re: #349 lawhawk

This wont end well for Crowder.

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As I said, I don’t want some two bit former child actor lecturing me or others on our work ethic. Steve, you’re a professional whiner. You get paid to whine about people on Twitter. And yeah my last fast food experience was fine, the people at these restaurants may not always be perfect but you know what, we still continue to pay bankers handsomely even though they had a big role in the financial crissi and I don’t see you or any other Twitter wingnut moron having a problem with them making a very pretty penny.

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b_sharp  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:51:38am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

If people can’t afford college how are they supposed to gain those skills needed to qualify for a better job?

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Crowder is afraid all those well educated college grads will push him down where he belongs.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:53:01am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

As I said, I don’t want some two bit former child actor lecturing me or others on our work ethic. Steve, you’re a professional whiner. You get paid to whine about people on Twitter. And yeah my last fast food experience was fine, the people at these restaurants may not always be perfect but you know what, we still continue to pay bankers handsomely even though they had a big role in the financial crissi and I don’t see you or any other Twitter wingnut moron having a problem with them making a very pretty penny.

My last fast food experience was Saturday. It was food. It was fast. The bathrooms were clean. And the nice people who made all that happen serve the country far more than a pimp comic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:53:09am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t understand why people pay these guys.

It’s a form of psychological conditioning. The audience already believes in God, Jesus and miracles, and most are struggling to make ends meet. Preacher is well dressed, has a nice car, etc., and he tells them a story about how he was dirt poor until he found Jaysus and then the money started to roll in. Preacher plants a few shills in the audience to testify the same thing, calls some poor suckers up to tell their woeful stories, prays over them, etc., etc. Then the plate gets passed around, because giving money to the church makes God very happy and he’ll make great things happen for you. Just you wait!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:53:21am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

If people can’t afford college how are they supposed to gain those skills needed to qualify for a better job?

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Why not? If I’m making good grades, I shouldn’t be punished because of the fact that my parents aren’t the best well off. By making college tuition affordable for all, you’re creating more people who will be able to be higher contributors to the economy. My grandfather would have never become a successful brick mason without his GI Bill education that funded his vocational training. Again, I don’t want someone who was a fucking child voice actor lecturing me or others on our work ethic. Steve if he had any decency would be asking himself how he actually contributes to society. He’s a much bigger “moocher” than any of these fast food employees or store clerks are.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:55:08am

re: #352 Decatur Deb

And Ted Cruz’ father is part of the Hinn franchise.

I did not know that. All the more reason to distrust Ted Cruz.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:55:23am
Ben Carson’s childhood home has become a popular pilgrimage site for his supporters
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:57:48am

Wow now I’m getting a ton of Derp in my mentions from Crowderbots.
Calling bullshit on these claims.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:58:35am

re: #359 De Kolta Chair

Since they stored the gain in the Pyrimids. Stonehenge was where they smoked the meats…

Yeah, that’s the ticket…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 7:59:43am
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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:00:08am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:00:53am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Wow now I’m getting a ton of Derp in my mentions from Crowderbots.
Calling bullshit on these claims.

How many of those hardworking conservatives got federal grants and loans to attend college?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:02:21am

re: #364 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How many of those hardworking conservatives got federal grants and loans to attend college?

Did Crowder go to Canadian Commie Schools?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:03:24am

re: #363 lawhawk

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Send them that EMT meme I posted a ways up.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:04:52am

re: #365 Decatur Deb

Did Crowder go to Canadian Commie Schools?

Not sure. His wiki entry says nothing about his education. Also, I got it wrong. he was born in Detroit, but grew up in Quebec. He’s not a native Quebecois.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:05:39am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Wow now I’m getting a ton of Derp in my mentions from Crowderbots.
Calling bullshit on these claims.

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The Wicked Warlock couldn’t defeat you so he called in his flying monkeys. Watch out for the flung poo.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:06:09am

I smell BS - from 16 to 18, you’d be in high school. Living at home with mom and dad. Not exactly having to pay for everything yourself.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:06:23am

re: #364 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How many of those hardworking conservatives got federal grants and loans to attend college?

How many of these hardworking conservatives try to do the math and try to get a college education at TODAY’S tuition rates?

Hint: Almost all four year colleges bluntly say you can’t afford their tuition on a full time job at minimum wage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:06:28am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

Wow now I’m getting a ton of Derp in my mentions from Crowderbots.
Calling bullshit on these claims.

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Do any of these morons have any idea how expensive textbooks are? Textbooks alone today cost what a semester of tuition cost a generation ago.And WTF are they talking about? Vacations to the farm? Do these people even live in 21st century America?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:06:55am
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sagehen  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:06:57am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There have been articles in Forbes (maybe elsewhere, too) predicting franchisees will close their doors rather than deal with paying employees $15/hour. AFAIK, no McD’s franchise has closed. The upfront investment to get a franchise is too much to just piss it away because you have to pay your workers more.

Payroll is hardly the biggest part of McD’s operating cost. They had to buy or rent the premises, there’s a ton of equipment, electricity, the wholesale cost of the frozen raw food…

Doubling the staff’s hourly wage would raise the cost of the final product by about 4%.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:07:17am

re: #369 lawhawk

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I smell BS - from 16 to 18, you’d be in high school. Living at home with mom and dad. Not exactly having to pay for everything yourself.

It is bs as are all these right wingers who claimed they worked hard all by themselves without a penny from the bad government.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:07:42am

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

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He’s a fucking liar.

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b_sharp  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:07:46am

re: #365 Decatur Deb

Did Crowder go to Canadian Commie Schools?

We don’t get free education past grade 12/13.

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Belafon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:07:52am

re: #344 The Vicious Babushka

Srsly a fast-food “experience”? Does he expect them to uncork his coca-cola and pour out a taste for him to sip?

Because every person who works deserves a wage they can live on. Period. End of story.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:08:19am

Work multiple part time jobs? Work multiple part time jobs?!

Why should someone have to work multiple part time jobs if they could work one job that pays better? Less churn, better for business since they’d not have to train multiple people for the job, better customer service/outputs, and more efficiency on their end for HR back end too.

These people really don’t think it through.

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:08:31am

re: #331 The Vicious Babushka

Steve Crowder is really trying to be a Horrible Garbage Person, because it is a Day

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Considering that asshole Crowder has a 3-hour show, one day a week, on a crappy AM radio station, I’d say he qualifies as neither “rich” nor really “working.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:09:53am

re: #379 BeachDem

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Considering that asshole Crowder has a 3-hour show, one day a week, on a crappy AM radio station, I’d say he qualifies as neither “rich” nor really “working.”

As I’ve gotten, at, I just love hearing attacks on people’s work ethics whose sole job is to basically spread bullshit.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:10:12am

re: #378 lawhawk

Work multiple part time jobs? Work multiple part time jobs?!

Why should someone have to work multiple part time jobs if they could work one job that pays better? Less churn, better for business since they’d not have to train multiple people for the job, better customer service/outputs, and more efficiency on their end for HR back end too.

These people really don’t think it through.

This is assuming you can make two part time jobs work together….

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:10:43am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

All of the I WORKED 18 JRRBZ AND SLEPT ON TEH FLOOR TO AFFORD COLLEGE! stories annoy the shit out of me. They remind me of my mom.

My entire life growing up, mom would constantly tell me about how she got through college in three years, taking 18 hours a semester, with a few small scholarships to help her defray the costs my grandparents had to pay and living in a co-op dorm where she and the other girls were responsible for cleaning the building and cooking their own food. She also talked about how my dad got through college, law school and the bar in less than six years.

Of course, all of that was in the late 1950’s. Things were a lot cheaper back then.

It didn’t make me want to go to college. And it made me feel like a failure at 25. I know she meant well, but that’s a lot of pressure to put on a person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:10:50am

re: #378 lawhawk

Work multiple part time jobs? Work multiple part time jobs?!

Why should someone have to work multiple part time jobs if they could work one job that pays better? Less churn, better for business since they’d not have to train multiple people for the job, better customer service/outputs, and more efficiency on their end for HR back end too.

These people really don’t think it through.

Exactly, why should someone have to work three part time jobs and be a full time student? That’s insane. I’m sure there are some people who could still be productive workers and students but I wager to say very few could including many of our Twitter “friends” here.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:12:05am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

As I’ve gotten, at, I just love hearing attacks on people’s work ethics whose sole job is to basically spread bullshit.

It’s like Phyllis Schlafly, lawyer and national conservative spokesmouth, telling women they need to stay home and be mommies and wifeys.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:12:42am

HURR HURR TEH WELFARE MOOCHING POORS GETS ALL TEH FREE COLLEGE!!!!1!!!!
Srsly my mentions are full of this idiotic horseshit

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:13:41am

College shouldn’t be nothing but the high life and parties but you should be able to enjoy your college experience without having to worry about whether you’re going to be able to afford next semester’s tuition rates. You shouldn’t have to worry about being too tired to attend an important lecture before finals because you’re working three jobs to pay for classes. What these people want is a society of the very rich and everybody else. They believe in oligarchy pure and simple.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:13:56am

re: #384 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s like Phyllis Schlafly, lawyer and national conservative spokesmouth, telling women they need to stay home and be mommies and wifeys.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:14:18am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH WELFARE MOOCHING POORS GETS ALL TEH FREE COLLEGE!!!!1!!!!
Srsly my mentions are full of this idiotic horseshit

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That’s so wrong thati t’s not even funny.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:15:15am

Just to use real figures…..

To attend the University of Washington (books, food, etc.) takes $27,034 per year for residents. At least.

I leave it as an exercise for the student to figure out a wage on a 30 hour week that can afford that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:15:22am

And who can forget this whopper from RIck Santorum, he of the BA, MBA, and JD calling President Obama a snob for thinking every American should enjoy some form of higher education.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:17:05am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

Very few students get a totally free ride. Pell grants are at best a few hundred dollars, and scholarships are also not too generous, when compared to current tuition, room and board rates. Loans and work-study jobs make up the difference.

The idea that poor kids get a free ride from the federal government is BS. Often, states and universities provide financial assistance.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:17:36am

Rice and beans. That always seems to come up as a way to get by to the RWNJs.

I wonder how many of them could eat rice and beans 2 to 3 meals a day for one week?

I’m thinking none of them.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:18:04am

re: #367 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not sure. His wiki entry says nothing about his education. Also, I got it wrong. he was born in Detroit, but grew up in Quebec. He’s not a native Quebecois.

Checking shows he did two semesters at Champlain College in Vermont (though they do have a Montreal campus.) It’s private.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:18:19am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Hurr durr - I worked 2-3 jobs and still got a college degree. That’s what’s going on in my timeline right now. And religious nutters getting in as well. These people are delusional if they think raising the minimum wage is wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:18:26am

You know who got a pretty good ride from the government with tuition though? A certain Ayn Rand worshipping new Speaker of the House, that’s who but no one on TCOT calls him a moocher who wanted free stuff. Paul Ryan used his education to get into politics and to whine about the very system he owes his education to. Good money and living if you’re a hypocritical hack who can live with yourself I guess.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:18:37am

re: #352 Decatur Deb

And Ted Cruz’ father is part of the Hinn franchise.

Interesting. That shines some light on Senior Cruz.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:19:29am

Well, enjoy dealing with the RWNJs on Twitter. I’m going to sleep.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:19:42am

re: #396 ObserverArt

Interesting. That shines some light on Senior Cruz.

It reflects a lot of light on Cruz Jr.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:19:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:20:05am

re: #394 lawhawk

Hurr durr - I worked 2-3 jobs and still got a college degree. That’s what’s going on in my timeline right now. And religious nutters getting in as well. These people are delusional if they think raising the minimum wage is wrong.

I just don’t get these people. More people attending college is a net plus for the economy. Look at the 1950’s. We got a whole bunch of minds who would have mostly stayed at the same industrial jobs their fathers had if not for the GI Bill. The 1950’s is filled with Americans who became the first people in their families to receive a college degree.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:21:48am

re: #399 lawhawk

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No kidding. What a sorry asshole. I’ll grant that the rich work hard to get where they got but this idea that the poor aren’t working hard or yes harder than the rich is such class A bullshit. It really is and Crowder should really take a good hard look in the mirror when he’s talking about other people’s work ethic knowing what he does for a living.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:22:15am

A burger maker is a much more honest living than being a shitty Limbaugh wannabe. Hamburgers actually have a use.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:23:48am

re: #391 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very few students get a totally free ride. Pell grants are at best a few hundred dollars, and scholarships are also not too generous, when compared to current tuition, room and board rates. Loans and work-study jobs make up the difference.

The idea that poor kids get a free ride from the federal government is BS. Often, states and universities provide financial assistance.

30 years ago my Pell grant paid for tuition and textbooks. It doesn’t go that far today.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:25:36am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

30 years ago my Pell grant paid for tuition and textbooks. It doesn’t go that far today.

Textbook prices are just obscene. That’s why I call bullshit on a lot of younger people espousing this crap about how they worked hard.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:25:40am

re: #391 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very few students get a totally free ride. Pell grants are at best a few hundred dollars, and scholarships are also not too generous, when compared to current tuition, room and board rates. Loans and work-study jobs make up the difference.

The idea that poor kids get a free ride from the federal government is BS. Often, states and universities provide financial assistance.

Basically, these conservatives can’t do arithmetic. They can only argue with anecdotes and not facts.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:25:44am
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KingKenrod  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:27:32am

I think there are some MSTies around here, so this is interesting - a Kickstarter from Joel Hodgson to bring MST3K back:

kickstarter.com

The goal: $2 million.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:27:51am

re: #406 lawhawk

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No one helped me when I was on welfare! // Seriously, I can buy that he worked three part time jobs. I can believe that but what I cannot buy is he had 0 help. And honestly as I got at above, you shouldn’t have to work three part time jobs and be a full time student. You just shouldn’t. It’s not good for your work and it’s not good for your education. By having this type of system. You’re creating less productive workers and students.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:30:14am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I loved loved that EMT’s response. It was brilliant and to the point.

Too many people look at it as Fuck That Little Guy when they should be looking at it as Good For Them, Now Let’s Get My Wages In Line With My Worth!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:30:50am

re: #399 lawhawk

Oh, “comedian” Steven Crowder is being a dick again. Must be a day ending in -day. (Checks). It is.

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iossarian  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:31:13am

Are these people going to public or private colleges?

If it’s the former they’re already benefiting from government aid that covers 50-90% of the cost of their education. It’s built into the funding model.

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sagehen  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:31:59am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Exactly. And it’s why we need better history classes. Women have only had suffrage since 1920. That wasn’t that long ago. I’d say that most of us here at LGF including myself had a mother or grandmother alive when that happened.

When I was in 7th grade, it was school policy that all the girls took Home Ec, and all the boys took woodshop. I wanted to take woodshop.

To the school’s credit, they were receptive when my mom (lawyer!!) went to speak to them about it; I was the first girl at that school to ever take woodshop. In subsequent years, the school policy was that every student had to take either Home Ec or Woodshop, but they could choose which one. (I have long since forgiven the boys in my class who took the nails out of my birdhouse 3 times, and rebuilding it repeatedly meant I didn’t have time to do a good job on sanding and varnishing, but… I’m over it. I really am.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:32:27am

re: #409 WhatEVs

Too many people look at it as Fuck That Little Guy when they should be looking at it as Good For Them, Now Let’s Get My Wages In Line With My Worth!

It goes all the way back to the plantation bosses pointing to the slaves and saying “Well at least you ain’t a slav.”in my opinion.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:32:51am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

It reflects a lot of light on Cruz Jr.

WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT TED CRUZ AND RELIGION THIS IS A MEDIA LYNCHING!!!

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:32:56am

re: #411 iossarian

I just had someone say they went to UT and worked multiple jobs, but that they didn’t get any help. Yeah, seriously.

A public university, which is taxpayer subsidized.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:33:32am

re: #411 iossarian

Are these people going to public or private colleges?

If it’s the former they’re already benefiting from government aid that covers 50-90% of the cost of their education. It’s built into the funding model.

And…sorry, but I’m going to repeat this…YOU STILL CAN’T AFFORD TO ATTEND ON A MINIMUM WAGE JOB.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:33:38am

I am done with Mr. Halloween’s bullshit

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:33:47am

re: #411 iossarian

Are these people going to public or private colleges?

If it’s the former they’re already benefiting from government aid that covers 50-90% of the cost of their education. It’s built into the funding model.

My alma mater, a public college has an economics department that sends out a bunch of these parrots every year.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:33:58am

re: #314 lawhawk

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Belafon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:35:16am

re: #417 The Vicious Babushka

Nope, wages are low because people don’t have the ability to bargain as a group. Individuals have a lot less power than a company, especially when the person is hungry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:35:49am

As I said these people want an oligarachy. They want a system whre social mobility is rare and the rich stay rich while the poor stay poor.They are definitely I can say in good faith opposed to the American dream. They’d fit in great on a feudal farm but then they’d find out they’re fucked because their Daddy wasn’t a lord or they weren’t the first born son.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:37:16am

Just got back from a school assembly…

Sister Helen Prejan, famously played in the film Dead Man Walking, by Susan Sarandon spoke to us about the move to abolish the death penalty, and her journey to become that advocate. Very powerful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:39:09am

And yet never learned how to spell==>

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:39:55am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

No kidding. What a sorry asshole. I’ll grant that the rich work hard to get where they got but this idea that the poor aren’t working hard or yes harder than the rich is such class A bullshit. It really is and Crowder should really take a good hard look in the mirror when he’s talking about other people’s work ethic knowing what he does for a living.

I’m still trying to figure out how 3 hours a week on a local AM radio station qualifies as a “living.”

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:40:01am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

He’s a fucking liar.

Ya he is.

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:40:09am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

And yet never learned how to spell==>

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And this dude is innumerate.

Remember, $27,034. For a state school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:40:35am

b-sharp I muted Mr. Halloween so take me off the mentions. Kthxbai.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:41:10am

re: #426 gwangung

And this dude is innumerate.

Remember, $27,034. For a state school.

You know, I can believe that he had the job but that it paid for his entire tuition is so obviously a lie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:41:19am

re: #369 lawhawk

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I smell BS - from 16 to 18, you’d be in high school. Living at home with mom and dad. Not exactly having to pay for everything yourself.

That plus youth employment has changed big time since he was 16 to 18. Hell, it’s changed big time since *I* was 16 to 18.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:41:49am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH WELFARE MOOCHING POORS GETS ALL TEH FREE COLLEGE!!!!1!!!!
Srsly my mentions are full of this idiotic horseshit

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That person is an idiot. They trip all over themselves to offer loans…

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:41:50am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

Textbook prices are just obscene. That’s why I call bullshit on a lot of younger people espousing this crap about how they worked hard.

I was lucky to have bookstores to go to for those books that weren’t textbooks. One semester I saved $56 dollars that way. I kept $36 of that savings, and gave the other $20 back to my dad, who was quite pleased I’d been able to pull that off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:41:50am

How hard a person works does NOT correlate to how much they get paid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:42:06am

re: #424 BeachDem

I’m still trying to figure out how 3 hours a week on a local AM radio station qualified as a “living.”

I know right? I’ve already worked nearly that much today and I haven’t even had my lunch break yet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:42:58am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

I was lucky to have bookstores to go to for those books that weren’t textbooks. One semester I saved $56 dollars that way. I kept $36 of that savings, and gave the other $20 back to my dad, who was quite pleased I’d been able to pull that off.

Yeah I had that too since I was an English minor.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:43:39am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

How hard a person works does NOT correlate to how much they get paid.

Explains all those wingnut billionaires on Twitter.. //

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:44:28am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

You know, I can believe that he had the job but that it paid for his entire tuition is so obviously a lie.

Actually, I can believe that he has no idea on what it takes to go to college NOW.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:44:58am

I always would though if I could get a textbook used. Sometimes that doesn’t work though. One time I even had to get a specific publisher’s version of KKafka’sThe Trial too.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:45:23am

So how is that new Fallout Boy album that was released last night?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:46:39am

re: #436 gwangung

Actually, I can believe that he has no idea on what it takes to go to college NOW.

Right those wages mean nothing to me. Those wages 30 years ago are a lot more than they are now. It’s kind of like how Marsha Blackburn talked about how she only made “2.10” a hour as a teen worker but adjusted for inflation, she made more than i now with my BA.

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b_sharp  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:46:44am

re: #438 Mike Lamb

So how is that new Fallout Boy album that was released last night?

Was that their 4th album?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:47:55am

It must be “Hate The Poors” Day on Twitter, it’s a day ending in “y”

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calochortus  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:48:17am

I’m one of those millions of people who didn’t depend on the government for my college education.
My parents paid for it. Therefore I must somehow be morally superior damn lucky.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:49:15am

Where in the fuck did this idea that people who work for below a living wage don’t work hard? I challenge this fucking Crowder asshole to wait tables in a busy diner on a Friday night from 5 til midnight with no breaks.

I know a young woman who is the same age as my son (21). She went into art school right out of high school in 2012. After 2 years of school she’s in debt over 50K. She had to quit so she could support herself. She’s a bartender in a high end restaurant in Atlanta now and is doing OK, but with a car/insurance, rent, loan payments, utilities, etc she’s not going to get rich or anything. She’s working 10 hours a day, on her feet most of the time, plastering a fake smile on her face and taking crap from shit faced businessmen. She doesn’t get benefits either, but she is covered by her Mom’s health insurance, for now. Her dad was helping her but he passed away over a year ago from cancer and had nothing left to leave her with over 250K of hospital bills (he had no insurance, he was a construction sub-contractor with sporadic income).

My son is working for minimum wage as a courtesy clerk for a grocery store. He gets between 25-30 hours a week. His schedule is set up so there is really no way he could possibly get a second job. Mid day til 11 pm in some combination with one or two full or half days between 9 and 3. How can you schedule a second job around that?

These people live in the past, they are completely disconnected from today. Minimum wage used to cover a basic apt, utilities, a shitty car and a few groceries. If you were lucky your employer offered health benefits. There’s not a chance in hell of minimum wage covering any of that now. You can’t get through college on your own with two crappy jobs anymore, they’re LYING.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:50:54am

re: #442 calochortus

I’m one of those millions of people who didn’t depend on the government for my college education.
My parents paid for it. Therefore I must somehow be morally superior damn lucky.

I too as extremely lucky there. My brothers and I are our grandparents’ only grandchildren and I am the oldest so I benefited rom their savings.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:52:56am

The minimum wage by year. And adjusted for inflation.

money.cnn.com

Interesting to see a correlation between the 1950s-1965 and the baby boom, the explosive growth of the US economy and the minimum wage as measured in adjusted dollars. It was at its peak in that period.

Now, we’ve got anemic growth, and millions struggle to pay bills, but yeah, let’s shit on the poor by claiming that they don’t work hard, when they have the deck stacked against them, and these idiots think that raising the minimum wage will screw the poor, the economy, etc.

IT wont, and it hasn’t - we’ve seen what paying decent wages can do. It grows the economy.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:54:15am

re: #443 A Mom Anon

It all makes sense when you remember the core tenet that Crowder, et al. are promoting:

Poor people will do more if they have less, while rich people will do less unless they have more.

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:55:33am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

They had self checkout when I bagged in high school. .

Greatest invention. evah. Saves me the pain of inconsequential human interaction.

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Belafon  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:55:37am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

trends.collegeboard.org

A public college costs an average of $19580 at a public college. At his rate, he would have to work 315 8 hour days per year to pay the cost. Is that how much he worked? (I would as him, but I can’t get on twitter at work.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:56:23am

re: #445 lawhawk

The minimum wage by year. And adjusted for inflation.

money.cnn.com

Interesting to see a correlation between the 1950s-1965 and the baby boom, the explosive growth of the US economy and the minimum wage as measured in adjusted dollars. It was at its peak in that period.

Now, we’ve got anemic growth, and millions struggle to pay bills, but yeah, let’s shit on the poor by claiming that they don’t work hard, when they have the deck stacked against them, and these idiots think that raising the minimum wage will screw the poor, the economy, etc.

IT wont, and it hasn’t - we’ve seen what paying decent wages can do. It grows the economy.

I contend that the backlash to government programs is heavily linked to racism. We had the New Deal consensus but the second LBJ decided to talk about housing for all l regardless of race, then you started hearing gripes about “big government” and all that crap. Now there were people who opposed those programs before but they were a minority.

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calochortus  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:56:53am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I too as extremely lucky there. My brothers and I are our grandparents’ only grandchildren and I am the oldest so I benefited rom their savings.

And here’s the thing, since my husband’s family did the same for him, we were able to save for our kids’ education-which mercifully occurred over a decade ago so we were spared some of the recent huge increases at the state schools. They graduated with no debt hanging over them. This is how you get to financial stability and security. I would be willing to pay higher taxes for more people to be able to do this as they did 40 years ago. Possibly we could fund some of it with fewer special tax breaks for business, and fewer sports stadiums or something.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:57:05am
Ben Carson’s campaign released a photograph this morning of Dr. Carson (third from left) and other infantrymen of the U.S. First Army shaking hands with Russian troops on a bridge over the Elbe River at Torgau, Germany on April 25, 1945.
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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:58:37am

re: #450 calochortus

And here’s the thing, since my husband’s family did the same for him, we were able to save for our kids’ education-which mercifully occurred over a decade ago so we were spared some of the recent huge increases at the state schools. They graduated with no debt hanging over them. This is how you get to financial stability and security. I would be willing to pay higher taxes for more people to be able to do this as they did 40 years ago. Possibly we could fund some of it with fewer special tax breaks for business, and fewer sports stadiums or something.

Sounds reasonable to me.

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Jenner7  Nov 10, 2015 • 8:59:30am
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Tigger2  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:00:24am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
OF COURSE he pays taxes dumbass. He might not pay income tax if his earnings are below the threshold but he still pays sales tax

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:00:49am

re: #453 Jenner7

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Now that’s trolling.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:00:54am

I would also add that I am 55. I graduated in 1978. I was a thrown away kid, at 17 I came home from school one afternoon and my shit was sitting in the driveway. I ended up in a shitty apartment in a terrible neighborhood 8 miles from my high school. Outside the district, so no bus, I had to walk to and from my entire senior year (unless I was lucky enough to get a ride). I went right to work from school, and still ended up homeless. My dreams of college were gone, I ended up in a factory union job which was the only thing that got me on my feet again. Still not enough to go to college and live. I HAD NO ONE to help me for over a year until my dad’s parents eventually let me stay with them so I could get a crappy car and some money ahead, but it caused a huge rift in the family that lasted for years.

These assholes and their bootstraps bullshit it just that. Bullshit. NO ONE MAKES IT ALONE. NO ONE. There is simply no such thing as a self made anything. No one exists in a vacuum all alone, that’s not how a capitalist system works. No system does. I would give anything to go back and figure out how to do college or trade school, it’s one of my biggest regrets.

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:01:41am

And when they’re not bitching about how great low-wage workers have it and how they don’t deserve more money, they’re bitching about public transportation, which many low-wage earners rely on to get to the crappy jobs “serving” the needs of those doing the bitching. I hear “let the people who ride the bus pay for public transportation—I don’t use it; why should I have to pay for it?” bullshit ALL the time.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:01:46am

re: #454 Tigger2

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Jenner7  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:02:00am

Some history of Mizzou, courtesy of Goldie Taylor.

Mizzou’s Fight for Justice Started on the Football Field More Than 50 Years Ago

Change is finding its footing in Columbia, Missouri. Though to understand what happened at the state’s largest university in recent days, to understand how and why students and faculty challenged the strictures of race and class in this moment, you must go back further than the last 72 hours.

thedailybeast.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:02:54am

Still getting this bullshit in my mentions==>

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:03:39am

re: #456 A Mom Anon

Sorry to hear what you had to go through.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:04:10am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Still getting this bullshit in my mentions==>

But student loans are gov……

Oh never mind.

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calochortus  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:04:52am

re: #456 A Mom Anon

I’m sorry. It must still hurt. {{{{{Mom Anon}}}}}

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:05:45am

re: #457 BeachDem

And when they’re not bitching about how great low-wage workers have it and how they don’t deserve more money, they’re bitching about public transportation, which many low-wage earners rely on to get to the crappy jobs “serving” the needs of those doing the bitching. I hear “let the people who ride the bus pay for public transportation—I don’t use it; why should I have to pay for it?” bullshit ALL the time.

And then if those people do drive on the roads, they bitch about traffic. Anyhow, the other thing is that public transportation isn’t exactly free. I had a job in DC a couple winters back. I had to probably pay 15 dollars a day for the bus and then for the metro. I am sick of people who are well off complaining about the less well off when their gripes should be at those at the top.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:06:19am

re: #459 Jenner7

Some history of Mizzou, courtesy of Goldie Taylor.

Mizzou’s Fight for Justice Started on the Football Field More Than 50 Years Ago

thedailybeast.com

Meanwhile, some of the national college football reporters are derping about the protesters and generally responding as you might expect. Not all of them. Some of them get it, or are aware enough to realize they don’t get it.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:08:34am

re: #456 A Mom Anon

❤ⒽⓤⒼ❤

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:08:49am

re: #453 Jenner7

That should send the “SEE?! OBUMMER IZ GAY! idiots into overdrive.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:09:18am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Still getting this bullshit in my mentions==>

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Now this is a person that hasn’t been keeping up on current events…but at least he/she isn’t giving some bullshit story about how they put themselves through Yale by checking the couch cushions for change each day.

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:11:38am
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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:12:29am

re: #461 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t think I’ve ever had it “easy”, but that’s OK. There’s a legacy of child abuse in my family, my mom couldn’t parent because of what happened to her. It was fucked up and unspeakable. I’m the oldest of 3, once the youngest was born she fell apart and I was scapegoated ( I was 10 when the wheels began coming off). I can proudly say that horrid legacy died with my generation. My sister has no kids and my brother has one who is better off without him in her life. I think that will be one thing that doesn’t get handed down. I just wonder sometimes what I could have done with encouragement and support. My life isn’t awful, but I wish it was better, with an education I might have had more options and been less dependent on a husband, spent less time seeking some self created family, something that I have never really had. Except for my kids, I love them both, but they are adults, and it’s not like having a big extended family as a support network.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:13:40am

Mom Arrested After Allegedly Trying to Shut Her Crying Baby Up With Bourbon

Lori Sheppard, 28, was charged with child endangerment and aggravated assault after her son Ronald was found “limp and unresponsive,” with a blood alcohol content of .190. Sheppard allegedly confessed to police that she had let the baby drink bourbon after Tylenol and Motrin didn’t seem to help him.

Her booking photo [SFW]……how ironic…..

Click to Reveal
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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:14:20am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Still getting this bullshit in my mentions==>

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And how long will you be paying off those loans? A little debt isn’t bad, but at some point, debt load on ALL students have a massive effect on the national economy. (And I think we passed that point a long time ago).

Of course, you don’t have to tell black families about this…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:14:32am

re: #456 A Mom Anon

Thank you for being so candid with you story. Much respect to you for never giving up despite being dealt a bad hand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:17:33am

Except for tracking every vagina because HURR HURR SAVE BABBIES!!!!!!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:17:44am
#BenCarson
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Dr. Matt  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:19:34am

re: #474 The Vicious Babushka

TNGT: @RandPaul explains how, if he becomes president, he will stay OUT of our lives as much as possible. #TheElites at 8pm on @FoxBusiness.
— John Stossel (@JohnStossel) November 6, 2015

So, he plans to continue was President Obama has done for the last 7 years? I can’t recall in any instance where Obama was “in my life”.

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Jenner7  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:22:25am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:23:03am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

So, he plans to continue was President Obama has done for the last 7 years? I recall in any instance where Obama was “in my life”.

HURR HURR MAKIN THOSE POOR OPPRESSED CAKE BAKERS FORCING THEM TO BAKE CAKES!!!!! SLAVERY!!11!! TYRANNY!!!!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:24:03am

re: #477 Jenner7

LONE WOLVES!!

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:24:28am

re: #473 Eclectic Cyborg

The bigger point is this though: I am not in some weird minority. There are A LOT of people without financial support, educational support so they qualify for schooling, family support (because let’s face it, if you’re worried about food and a roof, school will be that much more out of your reach), who simply work as hard as they can and still can’t make it. So what do we do? Write them off without knowing the first thing about them? And then what happens to people like me? We have kids but we’re not able to help them financially and then they can’t go to school either. And even with decent grades, the cost of even a state school or skilled trades training might as well be a million dollars. And so another cycle of no financial mobility begins.

No one should have to pay forever for one shitty mistake or for a crappy dysfunctional family life. But in Conservative Land, the motto is Fuck You, I Got Mine, The Rest of You Can Die.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:28:40am
During tonight’s GOP debate, Donald Trump will present evidence that Ted Cruz’ father attended the New Year’s Eve party in Havana during which Michael Corleone confronted his brother Fredo.
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ChuckJager95  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:28:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:28:58am

re: #477 Jenner7

FBI arrests VA men plotting to bomb black churches to “start a race war”

Wasn’t that Charles Manson’s plan?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:29:45am

re: #480 A Mom Anon

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Even if you are managing to scrape by on low wages, you’re just one unexpected medical bill, car repair bill, etc., away from disaster. I didn’t have student loans when I went to college. I split the cost with my parents. One of the big reasons I don’t want to go back to school is because I have no interest in spending most of the rest of my life saddled by student loans.

A friend of mine recently became a doctor and although he makes excellent money, he won’t have his loans paid off more than likely until he is in his early 50s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:32:28am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Even if you are managing to scrape by on low wages, you’re just one unexpected medical bill, car repair bill, etc., away from disaster. I didn’t have student loans when I went to college. I split the cost with my parents. One of the big reasons I don’t want to go back to school is because I have no interest in spending most of the rest of my life saddled by student loans.

A friend of mine recently became a doctor and although he makes excellent money, he won’t have his loans paid off more than likely until he is in his early 50s.

I guess I can count myself as lucky that I got through college debt-free thanks to Social Security, BEOG grants and low in-state tuitions.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:35:37am

re: #14 freetoken

NYT declares:

Hoping for His Backing, Jeb Bush Meets With a Cautious Scott Walker

I’m trying to figure out how getting the “backing” of someone who was so unpopular he had to drop out before anyone else did, can help Jeb!

JEB CAN FIX SCOTT WALKER!!!1!!

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:36:28am

re: #485 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I guess I can count myself as lucky that I got through college debt-free thanks to Social Security, BEOG grants and low in-state tuitions.

I count myself lucky to have gotten out of college with a debt that was in four figures. You can handle that kind of a load….

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calochortus  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:37:25am

re: #480 A Mom Anon

No one should have to pay forever for one shitty mistake or for a crappy dysfunctional family life. But in Conservative Land, the motto is Fuck You, I Got Mine, The Rest of You Can Die.

So this is the part I don’t get. I’ve had a pretty good life. Not perfect, but good. Nothing in life is ever certain, but we likely have enough money to get through with all our needs and many of our wants satisfied. My family is small, but close.

I want everyone to have this. I know it isn’t possible, but surely we can get closer to the ideal, not further away. Other people being unhappy doesn’t make my life any better, in fact, it probably makes it less secure.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:39:06am

In case you care:

can’t stay, have a great day all.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:39:28am

re: #456 A Mom Anon

I would also add that I am 55. I graduated in 1978. I was a thrown away kid, at 17 I came home from school one afternoon and my shit was sitting in the driveway. I ended up in a shitty apartment in a terrible neighborhood 8 miles from my high school. Outside the district, so no bus, I had to walk to and from my entire senior year (unless I was lucky enough to get a ride). I went right to work from school, and still ended up homeless. My dreams of college were gone, I ended up in a factory union job which was the only thing that got me on my feet again. Still not enough to go to college and live. I HAD NO ONE to help me for over a year until my dad’s parents eventually let me stay with them so I could get a crappy car and some money ahead, but it caused a huge rift in the family that lasted for years.

These assholes and their bootstraps bullshit it just that. Bullshit. NO ONE MAKES IT ALONE. NO ONE. There is simply no such thing as a self made anything. No one exists in a vacuum all alone, that’s not how a capitalist system works. No system does. I would give anything to go back and figure out how to do college or trade school, it’s one of my biggest regrets.

I admire your strength to go through all you did and yet maintain a decent attitude about all things.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:39:34am

re: #485 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I went to state school, paid my own tuition (using summer jobs, bar mitzvah money, etc.), and that’s back when tuition was actually reasonable at a state school. My folks covered the room and board. I was lucky that way.

Grad school? Loans. And more loans. And part time job, which ate into study time. Ground it out. Didn’t party. Lived in the student ghetto (every college has one - and my bedroom was smaller than a prison cell - it barely fit a twin bed). No car. Graduated. Then ultimately landed a job, lived at home until I got married, so I could cut down the student loan bill to something slightly more manageable. Oh, and had to delay buying a home because of the student loans.

How many people are able to do that? Not as many as there should. I was lucky and blessed to have folks who could help as they did. Not all do.

And we shouldn’t screw over people who don’t have all those things in place by keeping minimum wages low. Raise the wage, and give people a chance to do more. I know how tough it was for me, and that’s with all those built in advantages.

That’s the difference between me and the Crowderheads. They don’t care. No empathy or intent to help others. Screw you - they got theirs.

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lawhawk  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:40:19am

re: #489 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

In case you care:

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can’t stay, have a great day all.

Israel’s friend. *cough*

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:40:46am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

And when was this and how much did college cost then? One guy said minimum wage was $6 something. That has to be, what, 15 years+ ago? I bet tuition was a fraction of what it is now, even at a public U.

It was like when that ignoramus from NC said she made $2 something an hour to pay her way through college…when college was probably $2k a semester. Now it’s closer to $15k.

Not to mention COL is more now, as well.

Such simplistic thinking. There is so little critical thought in these folks.

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KGxvi  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:40:56am

re: #485 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I was lucky to get out of undergrad with no student loan debt. But that was mostly because of timing. I went to college in the late 90s when California was running massive surpluses and rather than pouring that money into the endowments for our public universities, they kept cutting tuition. My freshman year tuition was something like $4000 a year at a Cal State school, it was less than half that four years later. Between help from my folks and a job delivering pizza in a wealthy town, I never had to take out a loan.

Then I made the terrible life choice of going to law school at a private school and ended up with a small mortgage worth of debt.

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WhatEVs  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:41:47am

re: #426 gwangung

And this dude is innumerate.

Remember, $27,034. For a state school.

Is this for two semesters or per semester?

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:42:45am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Wasn’t that Charles Manson’s plan?

Yes, but Manson first had his followers attacking whites and then trying to lay the blame on the Black Panther Party. The attacks on blacks were to be later if needed.

Manson’s idea wouldn’t have worked, of course, not the least because even the LAPD could see that both the local Panther leadership and the national leaders in Oakland were just as horrified by the murders as anyone else.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:43:56am

BBL

Kaamran Hafeez
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:44:00am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

So, he plans to continue was President Obama has done for the last 7 years? I can’t recall in any instance where Obama was “in my life”.

Except for abortion. And if you’re gay. And if you aren’t an evangelical Christian like Kim Davis.

And if you’re poor, making minimum wage, suck it.

Why do the John Stossel types just assume that no government is the best solution to everything and that there are no power imbalances in the marketplace and community that make life difficult for people not named John Stossel?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:44:10am

re: #493 WhatEVs

And when was this and how much did college cost then? One guy said minimum wage was $6 something. That has to be, what, 15 years+ ago? I bet tuition was a fraction of what it is now, even at a public U.

It was like when that ignoramus from NC said she made $2 something an hour to pay her way through college…when college was probably $2k a semester. Now it’s closer to $15k.

Not to mention COL is more now, as well.

Such simplistic thinking. There is so little critical thought in these folks.

$7.76/hr is higher than minimum wage is now. Tuition and cost of living has increased while buying power has fallen.

These people are full of hate and bullshit, in equal amounts.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:45:46am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

So, he plans to continue was President Obama has done for the last 7 years? I can’t recall in any instance where Obama was “in my life”.

the Obamacare tyrannies!!!! Net neutrality!!!!

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:45:57am

re: #474 The Vicious Babushka

Except for tracking every vagina because HURR HURR SAVE BABBIES!!!!!!

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#TheElites? Seriously? That’s what they’re calling the asshats now?

That is to laugh.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:46:07am

re: #497 De Kolta Chair

Why did I just reply to myself?

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gwangung  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:47:12am

re: #495 WhatEVs

Is this for two semesters or per semester?

Three quarters, if you’re living by yourself.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:47:23am

re: #499 The Vicious Babushka

$7.76/hr is higher than minimum wage is now. Tuition and cost of living has increased while buying power has fallen.

These people are full of hate and bullshit, in equal amounts.

Hate is bullshit.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:49:49am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

For awhile, when our son was little up until about 2008, we were doing pretty well (my husband however will not live within our means and that is part of the problem as well) and then he lost his middle management job. We’ve never recovered from that. He’s earning half of what he made then,( he lost the 4th job since that time in June and is doing sporadic freelance work, his own damned fault on this one), his 30 years of experience doesn’t mean shit now. We have no life savings left, and I am not employable. Being a full time parent for 22 years with no schooling beyond high school has made it impossible for me to even find entry level minimum wage work. I am not too proud to do that work either. I’ve put in applications for over 2 yrs, not a single call back. None. All my work and business references are gone, I have no idea how to find them either. Some I can’t remember their last names, some have died. Being a mom to a kid with autism and again having no support network in place made it impossible for me to go back to work when he was young, and I barely had the time to shower every day let alone do “networking” and continuing education so I could keep up with the world. It’s kind of like being on an island while the world moves on without you.

So for assholes like Crowder to make broad sweeping statements like this doesn’t just write off poor working minorities. I’m a white (barely hanging on to)middle class suburban mom and this is happening to my family too.

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Jenner7  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:55:43am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 10, 2015 • 9:58:32am

The appropriate response to someone who says he went to a state school and didn’t get any help:

“You’re welcome.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:02:32am

The Derp is still incoming==>

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:03:42am

re: #509 The Vicious Babushka

The Derp is still incoming==>

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HURR HURR JUST LIKE CARLY FIONA!!1!

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:04:40am

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

‘net access is not a luxury for school. It is an absolute requirement. And, as you note VB, so is a phone. And, going to school full-time while working a full-time job is not the most productive use of an education dollar. Something is going to get short shrift. And, the most likely thing is the learning and retention part of your education.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:06:14am

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

Man of the people:

PICTURE EXCLUSIVE Inside Donald Trump’s $100m penthouse: lots of marble, gold-rimmed cups, his son’s toy personalized Mercedes, a $15,000 book (and some VERY risqué statues)

The first pic of a very gaudy set of ‘Plutography’ (The phrase is Tom Wolfe’s):

Image: 2D9411AD00000578-3303819-image-a-1_1446653257605.jpg

Puke inspiring.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:07:48am

re: #512 Stanley Sea Toujours

Puke inspiring.

Seriously. Who the hell needs gold rimmed glasses for their OJ?

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:08:31am

One thing I will say though is that I remain cautiously optimistic as far as my son’s prospects are concerned. He’s working a minimum age job with a chance for advancement. IF, and this is a big IF, the company he is working for (a major grocery store chain) will expand his hours, give him raises and promote him. I have shopped at this store for 19 yrs, and I have seen other people who are still there move up, so time will tell. He also has an option to join a union, something I need to look more closely at to find out dues, how management treats union vs non union (in GA it is optional, in this situation at least, to join the union, laws here are not employee friendly), etc. If they really do appreciate hard work and dedication, this kid could end up managing a store on his own before he’s 30. We shall see.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:08:33am

re: #513 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Who the hell needs gold rimmed glasses for their OJ?

I want to see the staff closet, er living quarters.

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blueraven  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:09:20am

re: #507 Jenner7

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Good to see that. I blame the faculty more than the students in this case. They should have been leaders instead of instigators.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:10:21am

re: #509 The Vicious Babushka

The Derp is still incoming==>

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You know…there’s a reason that Horatio Alger was able to make a nice living writing “Rags to Riches” stories…it’s because they were rare back then. My dog…say it with me, please, the plural of anecdote is not data…

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:12:10am

re: #513 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Who the hell needs gold rimmed glasses for their OJ?

Someone with a lot of both money and ego.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:13:20am

re: #518 Dark_Falcon

Someone with a lot of both money and ego.

And no taste, apparently.

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Stuff Happens  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:13:48am

re: #518 Dark_Falcon

Someone with a lot of both money and ego.

And no taste.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:14:03am

re: #511 Bird in the Paw

‘net access is not a luxury for school. It is an absolute requirement. And, as you note VB, so is a phone. And, going to school full-time while working a full-time job is not the most productive use of an education dollar. Something is going to get short shrift. And, the most likely thing is the learning and retention part of your education.

It’s also, generally, better to take as many as credits as possible as quickly as possible for two reasons: a) colleges tend to either charge all full-time students (>= 12 credits) the same amount or 3 addition credits at 15 credits are cheaper than 3 addition at 12 credits (e.g., a decreasing average cost for credit as the number increases), and b) assuming that you can find employment in the field of your bachelor’s degree, you’re losing out on post-graduation income if you’re spending additional years trying to finish your degree.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:14:41am

re: #513 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Who the hell needs gold rimmed glasses for their OJ?

Someone really vain and huuuuuuuge ego.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:15:26am

re: #511 Bird in the Paw

‘net access is not a luxury for school. It is an absolute requirement. And, as you note VB, so is a phone. And, going to school full-time while working a full-time job is not the most productive use of an education dollar. Something is going to get short shrift. And, the most likely thing is the learning and retention part of your education.

Precisely.

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:15:28am

The right-wing mindset. Sigh:

On Election Day, Blackburn voted for Bevin because he is tired of career politicians and thought a businessman would be more apt to create the jobs that Pike County so needs. Yet when it comes to the state’s expansion of health insurance, “it doesn’t look to me as if he understands,” Blackburn said. “Without this little bit of help these people are giving me, I could probably die…. It’s not right to not understand something but want to stamp it out.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:16:53am

re: #524 BeachDem

The right-wing mindset. Sigh:

On Election Day, Blackburn voted for Bevin because he is tired of career politicians and thought a businessman would be more apt to create the jobs that Pike County so needs. Yet when it comes to the state’s expansion of health insurance, “it doesn’t look to me as if he understands,” Blackburn said. “Without this little bit of help these people are giving me, I could probably die…. It’s not right to not understand something but want to stamp it out.”

Why the hell vote for him sigh. I get why people get tired of “career politicians”, I truly do but the alternatives are people like Bevin who by people like Blackburn’s own admission do not understand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:17:00am

I just realized that my own workplace has a career path for qualified mechanics. Someone who starts out as a mechanic in a body shop or a dealership can join the team, earn an associate degree, get specialized on the job training, become a service engineer, complete a 4-year degree, become an engineering professional.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:17:32am

“Career politicians” are a much better alternative than some novice who runs on how much he hates the government and spouts out platitudes.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:17:39am

Alright, first sunshine in almost 2 weeks. Me and the doggie are going for a muddy hike. BBL. Be excellent to one another, Lizards.

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:20:11am

re: #512 Stanley Sea Toujours

Puke inspiring.

If you look around for some of the tours of the houses owned by Russian oligarchs, you’ll note a lot of similarities; though, they did tend towards more black and gold. It is gosche and an attempt to be, in trump’s own words, CLASSY and YOOGE, without any idea of what that means, ok, he got the YOOGE part down. *shudder*

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:20:36am
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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:21:47am

SCIENCE!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:23:30am

re: #530 Lidane

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I don’t know of anyone who “blames” America for slavery but I know a lot of people who correctly point out that we have all these beautiful words about freedom and liberty by our founders in our founding documents and their rhetoric and yet slavery was not abolished until some 70+ years after the Constiuttion was ratified. That’s a fair gripe. It’s part of our history and it’s too bad that Rush Limbaugh’s bastard son and Phyillis “I made my life outside the home bitching about women outside the home” Schalfy can’t deal with that. Contradictions are part of history too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:23:58am

re: #531 Lidane

SCIENCE!

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‘Oly fuck.

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Belafon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:27:08am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

I don’t know of anyone who “blames” America for slavery but I know a lot of people who correctly point out that we have all these beautiful words about freedom and liberty by our founders in our founding documents and their rhetoric and yet slavery was not abolished until some 70+ years after the Constiuttion was ratified. That’s a fair gripe. It’s part of our history and it’s too bad that Rush Limbaugh’s bastard son and Phyillis “I made my life outside the home bitching about women outside the home” Schalfy can’t deal with that. Contradictions are part of history too.

Wouldn’t their argument be the perfect example of “straw man”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:27:27am

re: #531 Lidane

Having a monogamous sex partner LOWERS your risk of STIS, IF you both get tested first but none of this has anything to do with marriage per se.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:28:01am

re: #534 Belafon

Wouldn’t their argument be the perfect example of “straw man”?

Yes, I think so.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:28:13am

White privilege in a nutshell==>

Just remember this woman, with no legs, kicked his ass==>

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:28:27am

re: #535 Eclectic Cyborg

Having a monogamous sex partner LOWERS your risk of STIS, IF you both get tested first but none of this has anything to do with marriage per se.

But I thought marriage made it all the better. //

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Timothy Watson  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:29:00am

re: #535 Eclectic Cyborg

Having a monogamous sex partner LOWERS your risk of STIS, IF you both get tested first but none of this has anything to do with marriage per se.

Married people never cheat, I read it on the Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:29:28am

re: #537 The Vicious Babushka

White privilege in a nutshell==>

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You should take your own advice, Congressman Deadbeat Dad. What have YOU done with your life that makes you so fucking special?

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:30:42am

re: #535 Eclectic Cyborg

Having a monogamous sex partner LOWERS your risk of STIS, IF you both get tested first but none of this has anything to do with marriage per se.

Not if you’re married to Josh ‘bones porn starlets on the sly’ Duggar. Though, to be fair, she”s probably tested more often than he was.

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:30:49am

re: #531 Lidane

SCIENCE!

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And the wonderful Alice Dreger gets a mention:

Just like what’s happening in Wooster, Ohio, some parents are fighting back. One Michigan parent, Alice Dreger, a well-known author, took to social media earlier this year to live-tweet her son’s sex education class — which had an abstinence-only bent, provided misinformation, and shamed girls who said “yes” to any sexual activity. The group hired to present the information, Sexually Mature Aware Responsible Teens, had ties to right wing crisis pregnancy centers. After her tweets, and the subsequent media attention, the East Lansing School board said it would stop the group from presenting to students again, according to the Detroit Free Press.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:31:05am

I don’t see people complaining. I just see people seeing the reality that colllege is expensive as hell and basically saying “Hey, I can’t do this alone. I want to work hard and get my degree but I need some help.” Of course if these were corporations that had heavily donated to a Republican campaign.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:33:04am

The Trump Penthouse photos caused me to dig up a bookmark from a few months ago. I give you the Ideal Gun For Donald Trump: The Desert Eagle Mark XIX

It meets all the relevant criteria:

Gold plated, so its showy.
Available in 44 Magnum and .50Action Express, which are both Huuugge calibers, with their use denoting the manliness and large genitals of the user.
The large size of the pistol itself also denotes manliness.
It’s expensive, so poor people can’t own it.
It was designed in Israel but current production is in the US, so it would allow Mr. Trump to Buy American while still Supporting Israel.

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Lidane  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:36:50am
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:37:15am

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

I’m not a fan of the Desert Eagle by the way. It’s too big and showy for my tastes. But posers like it for that same reason.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:38:27am

re: #545 Lidane

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I forgot Ben, who is your minister again? YEah that’s right.

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ObserverArt  Nov 10, 2015 • 10:48:31am

re: #531 Lidane

SCIENCE!

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WTF??? Oh Wooster Ohio. No surprise there. I don’t think that town had ever gotten out of 1950. I guess the rest of the world has been ignored due to the blinders.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 10, 2015 • 12:16:29pm

re: #471 Dr. Matt

You NEVER EVER EVER take alcohol with Tylenol. And she did this with a baby?

Ah, Arkansas. Why am I not surprised.


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