Podcast o’ the Day: The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show, 11/12/15

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Today’s program for the The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show:

Mizzou: We Deconstruct the University of Missouri Protests; Chez Participates in Happy Hour; Bob Said the S-Word on the Stephanie Miller Show; Our Recap of the Fox Business Debate; Rand Paul Won the Debate; Philosophers versus Welders; GOP Declares War on the Consumer Protection Bureau; The Deadly Tasering of Linwood Lambert; and much more.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:38:24am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:39:01am

re: #1 jaunte

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Yep.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:39:40am

re: #1 jaunte

Well, that’s why Trump is going to build GIANT FUCKING WALLS surrounding our country. Dumb libruls

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:40:56am

re: #3 thedopefishlives

Then after we build the Megawall, we’ll use the nickel we have left to fight the war.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:41:27am

re: #4 jaunte

Then after we build the Megawall, we’ll use the wooden nickel we have left to fight the war.

FTFY

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:42:34am

re: #4 jaunte

Then after we build the Megawall, we’ll use the nickel we have left to fight the war.

Nah. We’ll pay for it with tax cuts.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:44:33am

We’ll also need a wall along the Canadian border to keep out Trudeau socialist cooties, and one on the Pacific coast, and the other coast as well.

Atlantic wall? Where have I heard that before?

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:50:27am

Building walls is a defensive move to a conservative. So, they will see it as a defense expense and that will be fine with them.

It automatically does not fall under the small government decree. To a conservative you can never spend enough on defense and big defense does not equal big government.

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b.d.  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:56:14am

Once those guys build the wall then they’ll start going after the people who are inside of it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:58:06am

re: #9 b.d.

Once those guys build the wall then they’ll start going after the people who are inside of it.

And right about then, they put guns on the guard towers facing inward.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:58:58am
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2015 • 11:59:58am

re: #9 b.d.

Once those guys build the wall then they’ll start going after the people who are inside of it.

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

And right about then, they put guns on the guard towers facing inward.

Of course there will be ‘purity’ standards that must be met. If not, on the other side of the wall you go!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:00:26pm

Opening day for modern gun season.
One of my hunters just came in with a 27 point atypical buck.
picture hidden for those who want to see it, others can scroll on by.

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b.d.  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:02:26pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Opening day for modern gun season.
One of my hunters just came in with a 27 point atypical buck.
picture hidden for those who want to see it, others can scroll on by.

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mmmmmm, mutant deer!

nice!

and thanks for hiding the photo for folks who don’t want to see that

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:04:00pm

re: #14 b.d.

mmmmmm, mutant deer!

nice!

and thanks for hiding the photo for folks who don’t want to see that

well, I know that some people wouldn’t like to see it, but others would.
Being able to hide things with an adequate description of what it is, is a really nice feature here at LGF.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:05:08pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

I live on the pacific coast, can we build the wall a few hundred miles inland? Like say, just east of Las Vegas?

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:07:11pm

re: #16 KGxvi

I live on the pacific coast, can we build the wall a few hundred miles inland? Like say, just east of Las Vegas?

Yeah, we might want to make a few other changes in the course of The Wall. Say, build it along the Ohio River to protect honest, law-abiding Americans from the bloodthirsty Confederates. (Yeah, Kentucky wasn’t a Confederate state; they’ve chosen to secede, and we should respect their wishes.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:08:33pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea Toujours

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It must be terrible. People who are attacking Muslims over this need to realize they’re only making a bad situation even worse.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:10:55pm

And godly, compassionate, kind, soft-spoken Ben Carson, lays it all out:

Carson said refugees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq should not be allowed into the United States.

“To bring them here when we have tens of millions of people who are suffering economically doesn’t make any economic sense,” he said.

Spit

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:11:00pm

re: #16 KGxvi

I live on the pacific coast, can we build the wall a few hundred miles inland? Like say, just east of Las Vegas?

In Washington, we have a wall, we just need to fortify it. 1968 Republican candidate for Commissioner of Public Lands Richard A. C. Greene:

“The so-called Inland Empire is a trackless waste contributing
nothing to the Evergreen State but rattlesnakes and nitwits,”
Greene thundered from his headquarters in Honolulu. “I’d offer
that sandpile to Idaho and if they didn’t accept it, I’d
invade. It’s high time Washington had a foreign policy
anyway.”

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:11:23pm

As usual, Jim Wright has a wonderful essay on Paris: stonekettle.com

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:11:51pm
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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:12:08pm

re: #20 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

In Washington, we have a wall, we just need to fortify it, 1968 Republican candidate for Commissioner of Public Lands Richard A. C. Greene:

Of course, today Washington Republicans are completely dependent on the Inland Empire for nitwit votes.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:12:48pm

And Charlie Pierce rarely disappoints, either:
esquire.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:14:20pm

re: #23 Brian J.

Of course, today Washington Republicans are completely dependent on the Inland Empire for nitwit votes.

Well, there’s always Belly-view, but yeah.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:14:32pm

If they ever build the fricking wall, we won’t be worth attacking.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:15:09pm

re: #23 Brian J.

Funny, we have an Inland Empire here in Southern California. And shockingly, that’s where the GOP is strongest. In the last couple of decades something changed in California politics - the split was north vs south but now it is coastal vs inland (so much so that Orange County and San Diego are typically in play rather than solidly republican)

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:15:34pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

want

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danarchy  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:16:47pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

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That picture was probably taken approximately 30 seconds before that goat chewed a hole in that sweater…

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:17:37pm

Any wall built on our border with Mexico will need some truck-sized gates through it to handle the billion dollars a day trade we do with them.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:19:09pm

re: #27 KGxvi

Funny, we have an Inland Empire here in Southern California. And shockingly, that’s where the GOP is strongest. In the last couple of decades something changed in California politics - the split was north vs south but now it is coastal vs inland (so much so that Orange County and San Diego are typically in play rather than solidly republican)

Here in Louisiana, the big geographical shift has been in Cajun country in addition to the usual Southern “racist white folks vote Republican now” shift. Four of the five counties nationwide with the biggest vote shifts toward McCain in 2008 were Louisiana parishes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:19:35pm

re: #19 BeachDem

And godly, compassionate, kind, soft-spoken Ben Carson, lays it all out:

Carson said refugees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq should not be allowed into the United States.

“To bring them here when we have tens of millions of people who are suffering economically doesn’t make any economic sense,” he said.

Spit

Yeah fuck them, right Ben?

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:21:11pm

re: #19 BeachDem

Glad to see Carson is such a good Christian that he’s able to ignore the really important parts of the New Testament. You know, the parts where Jesus actually said stuff about how to treat your fellow man?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:22:38pm

re: #33 KGxvi

Glad to see Carson is such a good Christian that he’s able to ignore the really important parts of the New Testament. You know, the parts where Jesus actually said stuff about how to treat your fellow man?

Funny how that part is always glossed over eh.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:22:51pm

We’ll never build a “sealed” border wall, promising one is a show. It’s just a new, meaner form of Republican political baby-kissing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:24:02pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:24:39pm

re: #35 jaunte

We’ll never build a “sealed” border wall, promising one is a show. It’s just a new, meaner form of Republican political baby-kissing.

Yeah, they used to kiss babies; now they’re giving blowjobs to xenophobic right-wing nutburgers.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:24:41pm

re: #35 jaunte

We’ll never build a “sealed” border wall, promising one is a show. It’s just a new, meaner form of Republican political baby-kissing.

‘Baby-spitting.’ Not by the baby.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:25:01pm

re: #33 KGxvi

Glad to see Carson is such a good Christian that he’s able to ignore the really important parts of the New Testament. You know, the parts where Jesus actually said stuff about how to treat your fellow man?

Hebrews 6:10
God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:26:09pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey! I tweeted that! #gators won!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:26:09pm

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, they used to kiss babies; now they’re giving blowjobs to xenophobic right-wing nutburgers.

Kissing hands and shaking babies.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:26:44pm

re: #31 Brian J.

Strangely, our inland empire actually voted for Obama in 08 and 12. And looking at the congressional delegation, it seems that it’s bluer than I thought. Which is, interesting… Because that tends to be where more of the wingnuts seem to be (at least stereotypically)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:28:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:30:03pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:30:36pm

While we’re at it, we should probably consider a wall around Lubbock. It would only have to be 6 feet high if we combined it with a propaganda campaign to convince the locals that climbing stuff is gay.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:31:51pm

Have any of these morons thought about the logistics of sealing a border? It’s not like you just shut the door and lock it behind you.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:32:24pm

On a lighter note, I am brewing a “Breakfast Stout” today. It’s an Oatmeal Stout with coffee and chocolate additions. Should be about 7% which is the biggest beer I’ve brewed to date.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:33:25pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

They saw it on Game of Thrones and figured if it’s good enough for a fantasy tv show, it’ll be perfect for their political platform

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:33:46pm

A wall won’t keep out terrorists. It will make sure only the smartest ones get in.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:34:22pm

re: #47 Franklin

On a lighter note, I am brewing a “Breakfast Stout” today. It’s an Oatmeal Stout with coffee and chocolate additions. Should be about 7% which is the biggest beer I’ve brewed to date.

Drool. I love Founders’ Breakfast Stout.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:34:26pm

re: #47 Franklin

On a lighter note, I am brewing a “Breakfast Stout” today. It’s an Oatmeal Stout with coffee and chocolate additions. Should be about 7% which is the biggest beer I’ve brewed to date.

Oooh that sounds good.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:34:28pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

Have any of these morons thought about the logistics of sealing a border? It’s not like you just shut the door and lock it behind you.

And what about people on airplanes? Is there some kind of magic forcefield that will protect us from anyone with ill intent who lies on his visa application?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:35:06pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:36:54pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

Have any of these morons thought about the logistics of sealing a border? It’s not like you just shut the door and lock it behind you.

“It’s called ‘Management’.”

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:37:00pm

re: #52 Timothy Watson

Signing under penalty of purgery isn’t enough?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:37:08pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Funny how there wasn’t this concern about white guys who are gun nuts after Oklahoma City.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:37:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:37:46pm

Spotted just now on FB…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:38:14pm

re: #48 KGxvi

They saw it on Game of Thrones and figured if it’s good enough for a fantasy tv show, it’ll be perfect for their political platform

They must not have watched last season, then. The Wall didn’t keep out the Wildlings.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:38:50pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

…to which the French responded: “It’s ok, we got this”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:39:02pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like fucking clockwork. Fucking gun humping ghouls.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:39:21pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Spotted just now on FB…

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Yes I saw that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:40:08pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: Paris attacks would have been ‘different’ if civilians were armed

Yeah. They’d have seemed less horrific against the background of much higher murder rates.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:40:30pm

I wonder how they feel about American citizen Muslims arming themselves…

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:40:50pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

They must not have watched last season, then. The Wall didn’t keep out the Wildlings.

Or the first season, Osha and the other wildings who attacked Bran had gone around the wall across one of the bays to get South of the wall.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:41:29pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how they feel about American citizen Muslims arming themselves…

That’s only for white people. Didn’t you learn ANYTHING from Reagan’s response to the Black Panthers?
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:41:45pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how they feel about American citizen Muslims arming themselves…

Can you imagine how over visibly armed Muslims would go over in WIngnutland? Yeah I don’t think so.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:41:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:42:22pm

re: #66 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s only for white people. Didn’t you learn ANYTHING from Reagan’s response to the Black Panthers?
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Well what about Bosnians?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:42:59pm

re: #65 Timothy Watson

Or the first season, Osha and the other wildings who attacked Bran had gone around the wall across one of the bays to get South of the wall.

See? Outsiders are murderers and rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:44:16pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

And right about then, they put guns on the guard towers facing inward.

The guns will be on Remote Weapon Stations, allowing them to be aimed and fired remotely with 360° of traverse and 75° of elevation for use against drones. This will allow the 117th Couch Commandos (The Mall Ninjas) to Defend America from the safety of their own homes while keeping the guns themselves free of Cheetos dust.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:45:48pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

I suppose Benson is making fun of American gung-ho ways.

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:46:17pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah. We’ll pay for it with tax cuts.

The wall will pay for itself!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:46:35pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Of course they will also be manufactured from cheap Chinese parts and prone to breakage…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:47:01pm

re: #73 TedStriker

The wall will pay for itself!

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I thought we were going to make Mexico pay for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:47:23pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I actually got to see the Berlin Wall at the height of the Cold War - 1975. For a kid who grew up in rural PA, it was an eye opener. The DDR, of course, claimed it was to keep the West OUT, but anyone could see which way the defenses pointed.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:47:33pm

A column about a dog. My favorite part: “And if this strikes you as excessive doting, you are referred to an old saying: “If you think a dog should be treated like a dog, then you probably shouldn’t have a dog.”

philly.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:48:16pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought we were going to make Mexico pay for it.

/

They’ll have to send a lot of drug dealers, murderers, and rapists to make enough money to send back to Mexico to pay for it…..
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:54:42pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course they will also be manufactured from cheap Chinese parts and prone to breakage…

No, current RWS systems aren’t allowed to use Chinese parts because the suppliers can’t keep counterfeit parts out of their supply chains.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 12:57:26pm

infighting continues:

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:02:06pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

infighting continues:

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Which country was attacked yesterday?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:02:40pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

infighting continues:

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…isn’t Randy the guy who wanted to shut down the NSA?

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:05:17pm

re: #47 Franklin

On a lighter note, I am brewing a “Breakfast Stout” today. It’s an Oatmeal Stout with coffee and chocolate additions. Should be about 7% which is the biggest beer I’ve brewed to date.

Welp, the wife called at the end of the mash and I got distracted. Read my numbers wrong and tried to correct by adding dry malt extract (think instant malt, just add water!). Well, I was actually spot on so adding the extract will make this a 9% beer instead of 7.5%

Whoops!

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:09:01pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

infighting continues:

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What Rand Paul doesn’t say and what Marco Rubio will find it hard to say is Rubio and Chuck Schumer blocked Paul’s amendment because a vote on it would have been a large game of “Gotcha!” and if the amendment had been part the final bill then it would have been filibustered.

But what makes this a problem for Rubio is that if he counters with the truth he will remind primary voters that he wanted to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. Even though he’s changed his mind on the matter some voters will still hold it against him.

So Rand Paul has given Marco Rubio a Kobiyashi Maru scenario. We’ll have to see if Rubio has some Capt. Kirk in him.

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:10:01pm

re: #77 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

A column about a dog. My favorite part: “And if this strikes you as excessive doting, you are referred to an old saying: “If you think a dog should be treated like a dog, then you probably shouldn’t have a dog.”

philly.com

my favorite part:

It is why you can imagine dogs comparing owners, one saying to the other: “He’s a little slow, but I’ve worked with him and I think, all in all, you know, considering his obvious limitations, that he’s come along nicely.”

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:13:10pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

What Rand Paul doesn’t say and what Marco Rubio will find it hard to say is Rubio and Chuck Schumer blocked Paul’s amendment because a vote on it would have been a large game of “Gotcha!” and if the amendment had been part the final bill then it would have been filibustered.

But what makes this a problem for Rubio is that if he counters with the truth he will remind primary voters that he wanted to pass a comprehensive immigration bill. Even though he’s changed his mind on the matter some voters will still hold it against him.

So Rand Paul has given Marco Rubio a Kobiyashi Maru scenario. We’ll have to see if Rubio has some Capt. Kirk in him.

Paul might actually be dangerous in the primaries if he had stuck to any coherent set of beliefs. But he found himself stuck between two chairs (his dad’s white separatist libertarianism and Republican orthodoxy). Now he’s pulling Rubio into that same position; Rubio is trying to force Cruz into that same position by noting the latter’s support for massively increasing H-1B visas, among other measures.

Meanwhile, Trump and Carson float miles above the rest.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:14:14pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

infighting continues:

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What magic amendment was that, Luap Dnar? Did it have unicorn dust and fairy wings attached?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:14:50pm

re: #87 BeachDem

What magic amendment was that, Luap Dnar? Did it have unicorn dust and fairy wings attached?

HR101 The Amendment To Stop All Terrorism and Sprinkle Rainbow Dust of Freedom.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:16:11pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

HR101 The Amendment To Stop All Terrorism and Sprinkle Rainbow Dust of Freedom.

Well, with a name like that, how could it ever have failed???
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De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:16:33pm

re: #48 KGxvi

They saw it on Game of Thrones and figured if it’s good enough for a fantasy tv show, it’ll be perfect for their political platform

More here

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:18:52pm

re: #86 Brian J.

Paul might actually be dangerous in the primaries if he had stuck to any coherent set of beliefs.

It is always appropriate, when talking about the Pauls, to mention Charles P. Pierce’s 5-minute rule.

Five Minute Rule regarding any member of the Paul family and their most fervent acolytes. If you listen to Crazy Uncle Liberty (!), Senator Aqua Buddha, or their disciples for five minutes, you find yourself nodding in agreement with almost everything they say. At precisely the 5:01 mark, however, the person to whom you’re listening will say something that detaches the entire conversation from the plane of physical reality and sends it sailing off into the ether.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:19:13pm

re: #86 Brian J.

Given that in this scenario Rubio is facing Ronulans instead of Klingons, he might try to see through Paul’s Cloak of DERP with lines like “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems instead of just whine about them. I wanted to get the bill passed so that we could actually get improved border security as opposed to putting forward a bill that will be filibustered, go nowhere, and will only succeed in making Republicans look like fools.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:19:14pm

Do you guys know how to unfollow someone on Facebook?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:19:43pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Given that in this scenario Rubio is facing Ronulans instead of Klingons, he might try to see through Paul’s Cloak of DERP with lines like “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems instead of just whine about them. I wanted to get the bill passed so that we could actually get improved border security as opposed to putting forward a bill that will be filibustered, go nowhere, and will only succeed in making Republicans look like fools.”

Which let’s be honest would get booed.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:19:48pm

They have hands?!?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:20:23pm

re: #91 BeachDem

It is always appropriate, when talking about the Pauls, to mention Charles P. Pierce’s 5-minute rule.

Five Minute Rule regarding any member of the Paul family and their most fervent acolytes. If you listen to Crazy Uncle Liberty (!), Senator Aqua Buddha, or their disciples for five minutes, you find yourself nodding in agreement with almost everything they say. At precisely the 5:01 mark, however, the person to whom you’re listening will say something that detaches the entire conversation from the plane of physical reality and sends it sailing off into the ether.

I do like that rule quite a bit honestly.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:22:22pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Which let’s be honest would get booed.

Which is why he needs to say it not at a debate but in front of a selected audience, if need be an audience paid to cheer and not boo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:23:22pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Do you guys know how to unfollow someone on Facebook?

Just go to their page and click the “following” button.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:24:24pm

re: #72 Nyet

I suppose Benson is making fun of American gung-ho ways.

I think you might be right. I just looked at his other work and he seems to lean left. Speaking of terrorism & Statue of Liberty cartoons, the one below is my all-time favorite. It was done for La Nación newspaper in the days immediately following 9/11 by Maitena, a cartoonist from Argentina. To this day it still causes me to tear up whenever I see it:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:25:00pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just go to their page and click the “following” button.

Thanks. Facebook just got so much better.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:25:42pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Which is why he needs to say it not at a debate but in front of a selected audience, if need be an audience paid to cheer and not boo.

Sure but the Republican base does need to hear that xenophobia sucks. Frankly my problem with Rubio on this issue is he likes straddling both sides of the fence on it.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:26:51pm

re: #83 Franklin

I think you forgot the air quotes around whoops

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:27:15pm

I’m a little apprehensive about the Democratic debate tonight. The candidates are going to be under a lot of pressure to talk tough about ISIS, and I’m really hoping they’re going to be smart about this instead of mindlessly parroting “WE SHALL DESTROY” rhetoric. The media are already starting to push “this is good for the Republicans” talking points.

reuters.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:29:38pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

I’m a little apprehensive about the Democratic debate tonight. The candidates are going to be under a lot of pressure to talk tough about ISIS, and I’m really hoping they’re going to be smart about this instead of mindlessly parroting “WE SHALL DESTROY” rhetoric. The media are already starting to push “this is good for the Republicans” talking points.

reuters.com

I hope so too. We need to be smart here not moronic.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:29:44pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:30:14pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

I’m a little apprehensive about the Democratic debate tonight. The candidates are going to be under a lot of pressure to talk tough about ISIS, and I’m really hoping they’re going to be smart about this instead of mindlessly parroting “WE SHALL DESTROY” rhetoric. The media are already starting to push “this is good for the Republicans” talking points.

reuters.com

There’s no doubt, terrorist attacks by foreign adversaries make Republicans and their hawkish ways look good in the minds of the American public. My hope is that the Democrats can find ways to look appropriately tough without being mindlessly so. There’s a time and a place to bomb terrorists, and that time and place is not “anytime, anywhere”.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:30:38pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Sure but the Republican base does need to hear that xenophobia sucks. Frankly my problem with Rubio on this issue is he likes straddling both sides of the fence on it.

Oh, I intend for the calling out of Rand Paul to be recorded and broadcast, but the setting has to be astroturfed and not an actual grassroots setting. To call out Rand’s bullshit, Marco Rubio would need a another form of bullshit to protect his call out from being derailed by hecklers.

Practical politics is often crappy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:31:58pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Ted, you pathetic piece of dog shit if we were center-right, A) we never would have tried to split entirely from Britain and B) if we were “Judeo-Christian”, we would have established an official religion. Note we did not you theocratic asshole. Go pound sand with your fuckwad of a father.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:32:39pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Oh, I intend for the calling out of Rand Paul to be recorded and broadcast, but the setting has to be astroturfed and not an actual grassroots setting. To call out Rand’s bullshit, Marco Rubio would need a another form of bullshit to protect his call out from being derailed by hecklers.

Practical politics is often crappy.

Just saying I think Rubio has gotten himself in many a mess.

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:32:43pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

So Rand Paul has given Marco Rubio a Kobiyashi Maru scenario. We’ll have to see if Rubio has some Capt. Kirk in him.

Depends on whether or not it is in his stump speech.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:33:18pm

re: #106 thedopefishlives

There’s no doubt, terrorist attacks by foreign adversaries make Republicans and their hawkish ways look good in the minds of the American public. My hope is that the Democrats can find ways to look appropriately tough without being mindlessly so. There’s a time and a place to bomb terrorists, and that time and place is not “anytime, anywhere”.

What’s frustrating is so many people want a black and whtie response on this issue and that is not the solution to this issue or frankly any issue.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:35:01pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

I’m a little apprehensive about the Democratic debate tonight. The candidates are going to be under a lot of pressure to talk tough about ISIS, and I’m really hoping they’re going to be smart about this instead of mindlessly parroting “WE SHALL DESTROY” rhetoric. The media are already starting to push “this is good for the Republicans” talking points.

reuters.com

The moderators may well try to bait the candidates, because that’s how they get people to tune in. They want viewers messaging their friends things like “You gotten watch Sanders putting the Bern on terrorism right now!” so as to increase ratings and revenues.

Political debates have always had “Reality TV” aspects to them, but those aspects get more pronounced when the media things it can use said aspects to make money.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:35:19pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

I’m so tired of hearing the center-right nation stuff. It is meaningless without defining left and right. Otherwise it’s just dog whistling silent majority bullshit

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:35:53pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

What’s frustrating is so many people want a black and whtie response on this issue and that is not the solution to this issue or frankly any issue.

Politics is sound bites.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:36:19pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

Politics is sound bites.

Yep another reason why I could never do it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:36:39pm

re: #113 KGxvi

I’m so tired of hearing the center-right nation stuff. It is meaningless without defining left and right. Otherwise it’s just dog whistling silent majority bullshit

Judeo-Christian too. And it’s obvoius that Ted only means Christian and by Christian, his brand of Theocratic Evangelical Fascism.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:37:05pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

What’s frustrating is so many people want a black and whtie response on this issue and that is not the solution to this issue or frankly any issue.

The first candidate that says that tonight about ISIS/terrorism, wins.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:37:34pm

On the topic of Democrats and Paris, I called fishfolk this afternoon for my weekly phone call, and my father went off on a short (~1 minute) unhinged rant about how Obama wasn’t going to do anything in response to the Paris bombings. I bit my tongue and gently changed the subject, but my question to him in the back of my mind was, exactly what do you think he should do? Blowing up random people around the world isn’t going to solve any problems or make anyone feel better.

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:38:06pm

re: #113 KGxvi

I’m so tired of hearing the center-right nation stuff. It is meaningless without defining left and right. Otherwise it’s just dog whistling silent majority bullshit

Let’s say it IS true…does Ted Cruz see himself as representing the center right?!?! If so, hate to imagine who he’d consider hard right!

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:38:39pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Judeo-Christian too. And it’s obvoius that Ted only means Christian and by Christian, his brand of Theocratic Evangelical Fascism.

It is funny how the one part of the constitution that actually says “congress shall make no law” is the one part where they really want congress to make laws

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:39:30pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

The first candidate that says that tonight about ISIS/terrorism, wins.

Let’s hope at least one of them say it.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:40:08pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Given that in this scenario Rubio is facing Ronulans instead of Klingons, he might try to see through Paul’s Cloak of DERP with lines like “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems instead of just whine about them. I wanted to get the bill passed so that we could actually get improved border security as opposed to putting forward a bill that will be filibustered, go nowhere, and will only succeed in making Republicans look like fools.”

How that reponse would go in practice:

Rubio: “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems…”

Sustained booing and throwing of rotten vegetables until Rubio flees the stage

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:40:25pm

re: #119 bratwurst

Let’s say it IS true…does Ted Cruz see himself as representing the center right?!?! If so, hate to imagine who he’d consider hard right!

I was going to point out that Obama is more center-right than Ted Cruz is. The only center Ted Cruz has is as seeing himself as a center of attention.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:40:46pm

re: #122 Brian J.

How that reponse would go in practice:

Rubi: “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems…”

Sustained booing and throwing of rotten vegetables until Rubio flees the stage

Exit stage left, pursued by a bear.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:40:54pm

re: #118 thedopefishlives

Also worth reminding the “bomb them all” crowd that we’ve been doing that with drones through out Obama’s presidency (3000 confirmed dead), and specifically targeting ISIS in Syria for at least three months.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:41:50pm

re: #122 Brian J.

How that reponse would go in practice:

Rubi: “Unlike you and your father, Rand, I actually want to solve problems…”

Sustained booing and throwing of rotten vegetables until Rubio flees the stage

It would get booed I think pretty much anywhere especially if he were to trash Ron. And frankly I’ll give Rand Paul some credit on something that Marco Rubio should not get credit on and that’s actually voting on legislation and I guarantee if Rubio tried to call Paul ineffective, Paul would and with good reason bring up that Marco’s attendance record not being the best.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:42:04pm

re: #124 thedopefishlives

Exit stage left, pursued by a bear.

Does Bryan Fischer know about this bear?

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:42:07pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Judeo-Christian too. And it’s obvoius that Ted only means Christian and by Christian, his brand of Theocratic Evangelical Fascism.

“Judeo-Christian” is a contradiction terms, unless one is talking about about Messianic Jews (who are actually religiously Christian).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:42:40pm

re: #128 Nyet

“Judeo-Christian” is a contradiction terms, unless one is talking about about Messianic Jews (who are actually religiously Christians).

Correct.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:44:01pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

What’s frustrating is so many people want a black and white response on this issue and that is not the solution to this issue or frankly any issue.

I think people can accept nuance and caution, but the public does need to hear it clearly stated that “Our coalition is going to find the dirtbag terror masters in Syria who trained the monsters that attacked Paris and when we find ‘em we’re gonna bomb ‘
em nine shades past reality!”

Its good to make clear these assholes aren’t representative of Muslims or Syrians in general, but people also need to hear a candidate’s anger at the horrific nature of the enemy and the candidate’s real desire to see the organizations that send such terrorists destroyed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:44:02pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

America is a center-right nation built on Judeo-Christian values. It’s who we were in 1776 & it’s who we are today

The US Congress and the League of the Iroquois beg to differ.

“1) The Congress, on the occasion of the 200th anniversary of the signing of the United States Constitution, acknowledges the historical debt which this Republic of the United States of America owes to the Iroquois Confederacy and other Indian Nations for their demonstration of enlightened, democratic principles of government and their example of a free association of independent Indian Nations”

fnx.org

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:45:03pm

And even if the BS about Christian FFs were true, there was no “Judeo” there.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:45:42pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Ted Cruz ✔ @tedcruz
America is a center-right nation built on Judeo-Christian values. It’s who we were in 1776 & it’s who we are today

By 21st century global standards, Obama is in fact a center-right leader. On that scale, people like Cruz are off in never-never land along with French monarchists and the Stuart pretenders.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:45:57pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I think people can accept nuance and caution, but the public does need to hear it clearly stated that “Our coalition is going to find the dirtbag terror masters in Syria who trained the monsters that attacked Paris and when we find ‘em we’re gonna bomb ‘
em nine shades past reality!”

Its good to make clear these assholes aren’t representative of Muslims or Syrians in general, but people also need to hear a candidate’s anger at the horrific nature of the enemy and the candidate’s real desire to see the organizations that send such terrorists destroyed.

i am not saying they can’t express anger about what happened. I just think the American people need to know that “Bomb em to hell” isn’t a practical nor feasible solution. And I am sure all candidates present tonight will express a desire to find and punish those who commtied this act. What I do not want them to do give out empty rhetoric.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:46:25pm

re: #132 Nyet

And even if the BS about Christian FFs were true, there was no “Judeo” there.

only one Catholic too.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:47:04pm

That sound you’re hearing is the sound of the doors slamming shut here in Europe.

Two men who French police are seeking to trace in connection with the Paris attacks registered as refugees with Greek authorities earlier this year, the Greek police confirmed on Saturday.

French authorities had asked their Greek counterparts to check a passport and fingerprints of one man and the fingerprints of another who were thought to have registered in Greece, which is the main entry point into Europe for Syrian refugees.

At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.

Greek minister for citizen protection, Nikos Toskas, said in a statement that one of the men had been registered on the Greek island of Leros in October.

“We confirm that the (Syrian) passport holder came through the Greek island of Leros on October 3 where he was registered under EU rules,” said a statement issued by Toskas.

news.yahoo.com

Though not publicly identified, it’s floating around that one of the attackers was indeed a French national who’d been pegged as a potential extremist as far back as 2010. And it seems this whole atrocity has a Belgian connection as well;

Friday night’s terror attacks in Paris apparently began with a small cell in the neighborhoods of Brussels, Belgium, where French authorities believe that many of the terrorists were recruited and that the attacks were planned and financed, according to two US law enforcement officials who have been advised about the ongoing French probe.

The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is in its early stages and the French are leading the effort, also said the terrorists likely were familiar with French culture and Paris in particular, and that it was “highly possible” some had lived there.

theguardian.com

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:47:19pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

i am not saying they can’t express anger about what happened. I just think the American people need to know that “Bomb em to hell” isn’t a practical nor feasible solution. And I am sure all candidates present tonight will express a desire to find and punish those who commtied this act. What I do not want them to do give out empty rhetoric.

I wish it weren’t necessary…

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:48:00pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Does Bryan Fischer know about this bear?

No, the bear has the same boar as his sire as Vladimir Putin’s riding bears. The sow is a Sarah Palin approved Mama Grizzly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:48:59pm

Guys one of the guys I was playing basketball with this morning said something about Belgium. Anyhow it was interesting to hear everyone’s perspective today. These guys are all immigrants. Mostly from Taiwan but also one guy from Uruguay. I

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Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:49:38pm

re: #83 Franklin

High gravity, baby. I hope it’s yummy.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:50:10pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I think people can accept nuance and caution, but the public does need to hear it clearly stated that “Our coalition is going to find the dirtbag terror masters in Syria who trained the monsters that attacked Paris and when we find ‘em we’re gonna bomb ‘
em nine shades past reality!”

Its good to make clear these assholes aren’t representative of Muslims or Syrians in general, but people also need to hear a candidate’s anger at the horrific nature of the enemy and the candidate’s real desire to see the organizations that send such terrorists destroyed.

Sadly, I hear the quote from Men In Black in response to sentiments like this: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it!” And Republicans have systematically done everything possible to encourage that reaction.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:50:27pm

re: #137 Nyet

I wish it weren’t necessary…

Yeah I guess maybe that’s hoping for too much. It’s a complicated issue. We need to understand that loud and clear. It’s not like Pearl Harbor when a nation attacked.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:50:37pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Guys one of the guys I was playing basketball with this morning said something about Belgium. Anyhow it was interesting to hear everyone’s perspective today. These guys are all immigrants. Mostly from Taiwan but also one guy from Uruguay. I

There were raids earlier today in Belgium connected to yesterday’s massacre in Paris.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:50:55pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Does Bryan Fischer know about this bear?

He is the bear.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:51:56pm

re: #102 KGxvi

I think you forgot the air quotes around whoops

Ha ha, true!

It’ll actually be closer to Founders Breakfast Stout ABV (8.5 I think) than I was shooting for. So shouldn’t be a problem!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:51:56pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

That sound you’re hearing is the sound of the doors slamming shut here in Europe.

news.yahoo.com

Though not publicly identified, it’s floating around that one of the attackers was indeed a French national who’d been pegged as a potential extremist as far back as 2010. And it seems this whole atrocity has a Belgian connection as well;

theguardian.com

Applying an Army principle:
1) The early reports are always wrong.
2) It’s still early.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:02pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

There were raids earlier today in Belgium connected to yesterday’s massacre in Paris.

Oh okay, I hadn’t heard about those raids until this morning when we talked about it. Interesting.

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b.d.  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:02pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Is Ted Cruz calling himself center-right or did he just acknowledge to the world that he is too right wing for the country?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:39pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Let’s hope at least one of them say it.

“You’re asking for a black or white answer to a problem that isn’t black nor white.”

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lizardofid  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:39pm

re: #136 Dr Lizardo

“At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.”

I saw reports of this earlier. It caused me to wonder what the purpose would be of carrying your passport on a suicide mission.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:47pm

re: #148 b.d.

Is Ted Cruz calling himself center-right or did he just acknowledge to the world that he is to right wing for the country?

I think he’s seriously saying he’s center/right and in the mainstream of American politics. To which, I’d ask him what fucking planet are you from?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:52:47pm

re: #144 thedopefishlives

He is the bear.

Bryan has a thing about bears. And we all know why.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:53:16pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

Bryan has a thing about bears. And we all know why.

Are they still the #1 threat to America?

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:53:32pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Thing is, this situation does need a nuanced approach but that’s not what pissed off people or people in fear want to hear. It will be seen as weakness. All candidates know this. Those who will manage to pull off avoiding the pure red meat rhetoric in such situation without losing are truly master politicians.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:53:35pm

re: #150 lizardofid

“At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.”

I saw reports of this earlier. It caused me to wonder what the purpose would be of carrying your passport on a suicide mission.

Notoriety.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:01pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

No, the bear has the same boar as his sire as Vladimir Putin’s riding bears. The sow is a Sarah Palin approved Mama Grizzly.

And the bear really does need to be a brown bear, because they have black bears in Florida so if you sent a black bear Marco Rubio would pull out a Glock 29 and go ‘Stand Your Ground’ on the bear. Which would win Rubio the endorsement of the NRA then and there.

/Nothing but a good time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:04pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

Bryan has a thing about bears. And we all know why.

The funny thing is it came after Stephen Colbert’s character’s hang up about bears. I guess Bryan as a chlid thought that Winnie the Pooh was oging to eat him.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:12pm

re: #150 lizardofid

“At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.”

I saw reports of this earlier. It caused me to wonder what the purpose would be of carrying your passport on a suicide mission.

Identification, so once his name is released by the authorities, the whole world will know who this “martyr” was.

Posthumous publicity, basically.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:23pm

re: #153 Brian J.

Are they still the #1 threat to America?

BEES BEARS

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:35pm

re: #154 Nyet

All Democrat candidates know this. The Republican ones just want to randomly blow shit (and people) up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:54:49pm

re: #154 Nyet

Thing is, this situation does need a nuanced approach but that’s not what pissed off people or people in fear want to hear. It will be seen as weakness. All candidates know this. Those who will manage to pull off avoiding the pure red meat rhetoric in such situation without losing are truly master politicians.

Oh i know and that’s the problem. Looking at and talking about the greater picture is seen as weakness and taht’s just a shame.

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:55:01pm

re: #141 Brian J.

Sadly, I hear the quote from Men In Black in response to sentiments like this: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it!” And Republicans have systematically done everything possible to encourage that reaction.

Because it gives them political power.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:55:16pm

re: #153 Brian J.

Are they still the #1 threat to America?

Well, they’re certainly a threat to Bryan Fischer. He dreams of bears. And those dreams he finds……disturbing.

Yet oddly thrilling.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:55:28pm

re: #150 lizardofid

“At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.”

I saw reports of this earlier. It caused me to wonder what the purpose would be of carrying your passport on a suicide mission.

If you are stopped on the street and asked for documents, you don’t want to be detained or slowed down because you don’t have any.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:56:20pm

re: #164 Nyet

If you are stopped on the street and asked for documents, you don’t want to be detained or slowed down because you don’t have any.

Good point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:56:30pm

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

Well, they’re certainly a threat to Bryan Fischer. He dreams of bears. And those dreams he finds……disturbing.

Yet oddly thrilling.

Image: 8459_1333468716_16437_1333467466_anchorman_480_poster1.jpg
Bryan in happier days.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:56:57pm

re: #159 thedopefishlives

BEES BEARS

Bear pulls bee hive from tree, eats it.

Bear eating Bee Hive at Laural Falls

RBS

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:57:15pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Which is why he needs to say it not at a debate but in front of a selected audience, if need be an audience paid to cheer and not boo.

Now THAT’S leadership!
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:57:27pm

Bart the Bear was cool.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:57:36pm

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Good point.

Living in Moscow without registration taught me some things :P

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:58:18pm

re: #140 Amory Blaine

High gravity, baby. I hope it’s yummy.

Thanks! I don’t think I can get a higher gravity with my setup (unless I use the malt extract) I was already pushing the limit with my brew pot!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:58:41pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Image: 8459_1333468716_16437_1333467466_anchorman_480_poster1.jpg
Bryan in happier days.

This is more the bears I was thinking of. And considering it’s Bryan Fischer we’re talking about, this makes way more sense.

The No. #1 Threat To Bryan Fischer’s Pants

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 1:58:49pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I hope so too. We need to be smart here not moronic.

Lucky we have three smart people running, rather than a whole passel of morons like another party that will remain nameless.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:00:11pm

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

This is more the bears I was thinking of. And considering it’s Bryan Fischer we’re talking about, this makes way more sense.

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Hah yeah I think so too but I had to post that of Brick.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:00:15pm

re: #167 Reality Based Steve

Bear pulls bee hive from tree, eats it.

[Embedded content]

Video

RBS

Honey bear don’t give a shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:00:37pm

re: #173 BeachDem

Lucky we have three smart people running, rather than a whole passel of morons like another party that will remain nameless.

Yeah we too. Good thing that.

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lizardofid  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:00:41pm

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Identification, so once his name is released by the authorities, the whole world will know who this “martyr” was.

Posthumous publicity, basically.

I’m sure you’re right. I just couldn’t help but speculate that one goal of the operation is to provoke a knee jerk response, and the passport insures that the outrage is directed at Syria and her refugees.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:01:18pm

The girls and I continue watching the Star Wars series using the machete order tonight.

It’s essentially IV, V, II, III, VI (skip I).

We are currently on episode III, though the girls are itching to get back to Return of the Jedi to see what happened to Han Solo!

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:01:40pm

re: #178 Franklin

The girls and I continue watching the Star Wars series using the machete order.

It’s essentially IV, V, II, III, VI (skip I).

We are currently on episode III, though the girls are itching to get back to Return of the Jedi to see what happened to Han Solo!

Patience, young padawan. You must learn patience.

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lizardofid  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:02:18pm

re: #164 Nyet

If you are stopped on the street and asked for documents, you don’t want to be detained or slowed down because you don’t have any.

Ah, thank you. That makes more sense.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:03:11pm

re: #168 BeachDem

Now THAT’S leadership!
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Its tough to lead when the media coverage focuses on the people heckling you.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:03:48pm

re: #178 Franklin

I’ve been meaning to rewatch the prequel trilogy after reading the Jar Jar fan theory. Also I’ve been meaning to rewatch all the movies because, um, reasons

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:04:39pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Its tough to lead when the media coverage focuses on the people heckling you.

Obama’s dealt with far worse.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:05:22pm

re: #182 KGxvi

I’ve been meaning to rewatch the prequel trilogy after reading the Jar Jar fan theory. Also I’ve been meaning to rewatch all the movies because, um, reasons

I heard a doozy the other day from the Boycott Star Wars douches. Something along the lines of Jar Jar is voiced by a black voice actor, and he was the deciding vote in giving the chancellor all the power in episode II. So something something blah people.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:05:48pm

I’m waiting for the first GOP candidate to suggest that what we did to the Japanese American citizens during WW2 is probably not a bad idea in this day and age. Of course they will probably phrase it a bit more elegantly, but the idea of “Ship them all off to camps” will be out there somehow or another. Perhaps as a way that “Loyal Muslims” could show that they are not a threat. Anybody that refused would be viewed with (more) suspicion.

I’ve already seen ideas like this posted on some RWNJ sites.

RBS
Edited to clarify WHO I was referring to

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:06:21pm

re: #185 Reality Based Steve

I’m waiting for the first GOP candidate to suggest that what we did to the Japanese during WW2 is probably not a bad idea in this day and age. Of course they will probably phrase it a bit more elegantly, but the idea of “Ship them all off to camps” will be out there somehow or another. Perhaps as a way that “Loyal Muslims” could show that they are not a threat. Anybody that refused would be viewed with (more) suspicion.

I’ve already seen ideas like this posted on some RWNJ sites.

RBS

I’ll be honest. I’m surprised none of them have said it yet.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:08:02pm

re: #184 Franklin

Um, that is nothing. This theory is basically that Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord.

I’m also considering watching the Clone Wars on Netflix. I think they’re considered canon

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:09:30pm

re: #187 KGxvi

Um, that is nothing. This theory is basically that Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord.

I’m also considering watching the Clone Wars on Netflix. I think they’re considered canon

They are.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:10:07pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

I’ve been seeing a meme on my wingnuttier family member Facebook feeds with a mushroom cloud and something along the lines “we’ve been at peace with Japan since the 1940s lets make peace with Islam”. So, sadly, there’d be support among the base

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:10:41pm

Whatever else you do today, DO NOT go into the comments on any FB thread even remotely related to politics. It’s worse then Mos Eisley Spaceport in most of them.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:10:48pm

re: #188 thedopefishlives

What about the Christmas Special? Is that considered canon?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:11:19pm

re: #191 KGxvi

What about the Christmas Special? Is that considered canon?

I heard it was a big bore.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:11:29pm

re: #191 KGxvi

What about the Christmas Special? Is that considered canon?

No, it’s considered hazardous to your health.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:12:00pm

He’s right, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:12:22pm

re: #189 KGxvi

I’ve been seeing a meme on my wingnuttier family member Facebook feeds with a mushroom cloud and something along the lines “we’ve been at peace with Japan since the 1940s lets make peace with Islam”. So, sadly, there’d be support among the base

One of my cousins has posted that one before. He’s also said numerous times that Germany needs to reopen the concentration camps. He also posted a photo of the front gates of Autschwitz and said it was time to put Muslims there. I reported that and Facebook said it wasn’t offensive. WTF. He’s not a typical wingnut though. His economic views are very left wing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:13:35pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

Whatever else you do today, DO NOT go into the comments on any FB thread even remotely related to politics. It’s worse then Mos Eisley Spaceport in most of them.

I really go out of my way not to comment on political stories on FB. I have no idea which of my friends are nuts and I definitely don’t know about their friends too.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:13:49pm

re: #187 KGxvi

Um, that is nothing. This theory is basically that Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord.

I’m also considering watching the Clone Wars on Netflix. I think they’re considered canon

I had to dig into that; I hadn’t heard it before. Yeah, that would’ve been a mind-blowing revelation if they’d done it in the prequel films, say, in Revenge of the Sith - a scene where suddenly Jar Jar isn’t all acting like some bumbling buffoon, but reveals himself to be a cunning Sith Lord, or a Sith agent.

That would’ve been sort of cool, at least for me.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:14:15pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

One of my cousins has posted that one before. He’s also said numerous times that Germany needs to reopen the concentration camps. He also posted a photo of the front gates of Autschwitz and said it was time to put Muslims there. I reported that and Facebook said it wasn’t offensive. WTF. He’s not a typical wingnut though. His economic views are very left wing.

Dafuq? The whole goddamn world went to war to stop Hitler, and this guy wants to bring him back?

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:14:27pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

His economic views are very left wing.

Being left-wing economically doesn’t prevent one from being a fascist, ultra-nationalist or otherwise socially right-wing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:14:50pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

I had to dig into that; I hadn’t heard it before. Yeah, that would’ve been a mind-blowing revelation if they’d done it in the prequel films, say, in Revenge of the Sith - a scene where suddenly Jar Jar isn’t all acting like some bumbling buffoon, but reveals himself to be a cunning Sith Lord, or a Sith agent.

That would’ve been sort of cool, at least for me.

As long as someone cuts his head off.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:14:56pm

re: #178 Franklin

The girls and I continue watching the Star Wars series using the machete order tonight.

It’s essentially IV, V, II, III, VI (skip I).

We are currently on episode III, though the girls are itching to get back to Return of the Jedi to see what happened to Han Solo!

I would look into the Star Wars Despecialized Editions. It’s the original series using Blu-Ray source for the stuff Lucas hasn’t butchered after the fact and alternative sources for the scenes he did.

Can’t link to it directly because I don’t want get our esteemed host in trouble.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:15:55pm

re: #198 thedopefishlives

Dafuq? The whole goddamn world went to war to stop Hitler, and this guy wants to bring him back?

He hates Muslims a lot He’s got so much anger and hate towards so much of the world. It’s so weird since he’ll see my brothers photos of my niece and he adores her and in another breath he’ll be talking about how humanity is a waste and needs to be destroyed. I don’t push too hard on him since he’s literally sick and as weird as it sounds is capable of civil conversation when he’s not talking about politics.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:16:27pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

It doesn’t sound all that weird to me, since you effectively just described my dad.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:16:51pm

re: #201 Timothy Watson

I would look into the Star Wars Despecialized Editions. It’s the original series using Blu-Ray source for the stuff Lucas hasn’t butchered after the fact and alternative sources for the scenes he did.

Can’t link to it directly because I don’t want get our esteemed host in trouble.

Interesting, would I be safe in assuming I can find in on Kodi/XMBC?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:17:00pm

re: #199 Nyet

Being left-wing economically doesn’t prevent one from being a fascist, ultra-nationalist or otherwise socially right-wing.

Oh true but he’s not your typical anti-Muslim is what I mean. I wouldn’t even say he’s an ultra nationalist either or socially right wing.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:17:53pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Ah. “Not everybody is home” type.

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Poligeek  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:18:54pm

re: #204 Franklin

Interesting, would I be safe in assuming I can find in on Kodi/XMBC?

Yep.. its definitely in S.A.L.T.S - I saw it while browsing for stuff the other day. Then again,. what ISN’T in Kodi if you know where to look? :P

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:20:00pm

re: #206 Nyet

Ah. “Not everybody is home” type.

Yep. I still think it was very kind of my brother to pay him a visit when my brother moved across the country in the spring. Where we and most of his other cousins live is pretty far from him since my aunt and uncle moved out west in the 70’s.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:20:06pm

re: #189 KGxvi

I’ve been seeing a meme on my wingnuttier family member Facebook feeds with a mushroom cloud and something along the lines “we’ve been at peace with Japan since the 1940s lets make peace with Islam”. So, sadly, there’d be support among the base

So, basically, you’d have to kill ALL 1.6 Billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing of all 1.6 Billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing the people who objected to your killing of 1.6 billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing anyone who objects to your killing the people who objected to your killing of 1.6 billion Muslims, plus….

Aw, fuck it. Just kill everyone on the planet and be done with it.
//

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:21:04pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

It doesn’t sound all that weird to me, since you effectively just described my dad.

Fortunately the rest of my extended family is pretty sane.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:21:09pm

Because no Muslims have nukes. Right. Right?

/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:21:29pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

So, basically, you’d have to kill ALL 1.6 Billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing of all 1.6 Billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing the people who objected to your killing of 1.6 billion Muslims, plus anyone who objects to your killing anyone who objects to your killing the people who objected to your killing of 1.6 billion Muslims, plus….

Aw, fuck it. Just kill everyone on the planet and be done with it.
//

Forget it Jake, it’s Genocidetown.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:21:31pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Oh true but he’s not your typical anti-Muslim is what I mean. I wouldn’t even say he’s an ultra nationalist either or socially right wing.

Sometimes the rage flows from the belief that “those people” aren’t worthy of the benefits of advanced civilization and will destroy said civilization if they are not kept out.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:21:59pm

re: #211 Nyet

Because no Muslims have nukes. Right. Right?

/

or have allies that do…….

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:23:26pm

The last story in that new Stephen King collection is about survivors of a nuclear holocaust. Pretty heart-breaking. Maybe these fucks who like to joke around should read it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:23:36pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes the rage flows from the belief that “those people” aren’t worthy of the benefits of advanced civilization and will destroy said civilization if they are not kept out.

Benefits like ever bigger wars killing ever more people every 20-50 years till we finally got so good at it that we scared ourselves? THOSE benefits of advanced civilization?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:24:11pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes the rage flows from the belief that “those people” aren’t worthy of the benefits of advanced civilization and will destroy said civilization if they are not kept out.

I honestly think he’s horrified by acts of violence commtied by groups like Al Queda, ISIS, but his reaction is based in hate and fear. I’ve tried telling him that I have had Muslim classmates and friends for years and that it is absurd to liken them with OBL and ISIS but I’ve given up because it’s like arguing with a brickwall. I think he’s bitter due to a lot of bad shit that has happened to him in his life.

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:24:57pm

re: #215 Nyet

Stephen King might be beyond their reading level. I’d suggest showing them some of the old survivor twilight zone episodes

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KGxvi  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:27:32pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

I am actually fascinated by the idea that Dukoo was a late write in to replace Jar Jar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:27:42pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I honestly think he’s horrified by acts of violence commtied by groups like Al Queda, ISIS, but his reaction is based in hate and fear. I’ve tried telling him that I have had Muslim classmates and friends for years and that it is absurd to liken them with OBL and ISIS but I’ve given up because it’s like arguing with a brickwall. I think he’s bitter due to a lot of bad shit that has happened to him in his life.

I think it’s a natural desire for there to be a simple solution to every problem. I think many people desire that SO MUCH that they allow it to drive their thinking, because the uncertainty and complexity of the actual world is overwhelming.

Pile anger on top of the desire for a simple solution, and you get a desire for a simple and extremely violent solution, like ‘Send in the military with no rules!’ or the even more extreme ‘Nuke them all!’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:28:46pm

I think the most frustrating thing is so much of this comes from lessons we should haev learned from. You’d think that we’d realize how wrong it is to blame an entire group after the internment of the Japanese-Americans and seeing how even with that Japanese-Americans were some of the most decorated groups of WWII. We’re not even being attacked by a nation here. We’re being attacked by people who adhere to a religion. Muslims can be anyone from Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Dave Chappelle to Osama Bin Laden and Al-Assad and if you really really think that those first two have anything outside their religion of choice with the latter two, then your’e fooling yourself.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:29:16pm

I’m going to miss tonight’s debate. My kiddos want to go to a basketball game. I’ll be back to see the damage. I really hope it’s not a bunch of warmongering.

Buh bye. :)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:29:18pm

re: #211 Nyet

I was arguing with some dude on FB (friend of a friend) who didn’t believe Pakistan had nukes because if they did, they would have already used them on us.

Ended up blocking him after “LIBTARD!”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:29:21pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s a natural desire for there to be a simple solution to every problem. I think many people desire that SO MUCH that they allow it to drive their thinking, because the uncertainty and complexity of the actual world is overwhelming.

Pile anger on top of the desire for a simple solution, and you get a desire for a simple and extremely violent solution, like ‘Send in the military with no rules!’ or the even more extreme ‘Nuke them all!’

That’s a good point as well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:29:55pm

re: #222 Jenner7

I’m going to miss tonight’s debate. My kiddos want to go to a basketball game. I’ll be back to see the damage. I really hope it’s not a bunch of warmongering.

Buh bye. :)

Who’s playing?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:31:40pm

So, I been reading up on this whole “Jar Jar Binks as Sith Lord” thingy, and I gotta say…..it really would’ve been pretty cool. He could’ve been something like a Sith Yoda or what have you. I’ve been reading that Reddit page on the fan theory.

Something like that would have seriously altered the prequel trilogies, especially a reveal in Episode II or sometime early on in Episode III.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:33:27pm

re: #219 KGxvi

I am actually fascinated by the idea that Dukoo was a late write in to replace Jar Jar.

Yeah, like he was rather abruptly pasted in to the series. The idea that owing to the hugely negative fan reaction to the Jar Jar character, Lucas chickened out and created Dooku to take “Sith Jar Jar’s” place is intriguing.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:33:43pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Its tough to lead when the media coverage focuses on the people heckling you.

Oh, poor widdle Marco—are the media being mean to him again?

Of course, no other politician (cough—Obama—cough) has ever faced hecklers. (And often, his hecklers are the media themselves.)

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:33:48pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

Benefits like ever bigger wars killing ever more people every 20-50 years till we finally got so good at it that we scared ourselves? THOSE benefits of advanced civilization?

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No in the case of the left-wing variant of this sort of thinking those benefits are things like high quality universal medical care, mandatory vacation time amounts, clean streets, a modern ‘L’ or subway system, that sort of thing.

Remember: The hater in this case is left-wing.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:33:54pm
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De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:35:42pm

You can’t make this stuff up:

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:36:40pm
So I was in the local supermarket one afternoon, on a mission to find batteries and a nonstick frypan. As I meandered my way up the housewares aisle, having already stopped for a few other absolute necessities (cinnamon buns and potato chips), a woman came around the far end, riding one of those motorized carts.
She was a Florida snowbird archetype, about eighty, permed to perfection, and as darkly tanned as a cordovan shoe. She looked at me, looked away, then did a double take. ‘I know you,’ she said. ‘You’re Stephen King. You write those scary stories. That’s all right, some people like them, but not me. I like uplifting stories, like that Shawshank Redemption.’
‘I wrote that too,’ I said. ‘No you didn’t,’ she said, and went on her way.
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freetoken  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:37:15pm

re: #231 De Kolta Chair

You can’t make this stuff up:

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Well, you could make this stuff up, but then everybody would think you were writing for an episode of the Twilight Zone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:37:23pm

re: #231 De Kolta Chair

You can’t make this stuff up:

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God if those two were ever in the same room, the asshole quotient would go nuts.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:39:19pm

re: #187 KGxvi

Um, that is nothing. This theory is basically that Jar Jar is actually a Sith Lord.

I’m also considering watching the Clone Wars on Netflix. I think they’re considered canon

And the tell is they explain why Grevus is in bad shape at the beginning of III.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:40:39pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

God if those two were ever in the same room, the asshole quotient would go nuts.

Trump’s just the kind of ‘nut-cutter’ Nixon thought was needed to solve difficult problems.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:41:38pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Trump’s just the kind of ‘nut-cutter’ Nixon thought was needed to solve difficult problems.

I was thinking simply about the assholishness. No need to complicate things.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:42:23pm

But honestly I can imagine Nixon writing that but also saying some shit about Trump on the tapes. I don’t think Nixon had too high a regard for most people. He certainly didn’t think much of Agnew.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:42:33pm

I’m seeing the war machine really trying to make a new war off the dead bodies of Parisians.

Probably because I am older now, this all seems so repetitive. We’ve been here before.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:42:48pm

BTW there needs to be a Drunk History with Nixon.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:43:17pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

He also did some very naughty, no-no things for a right-winger. Like EPA.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:44:22pm

From the Reddit page I’ve been reading, and I gotta admit, I love this.

Here’s George Lucas (from a documentary) talking about Yoda:

“Yoda really comes from a tradition in mythological storytelling- fairy tales- of the hero finding a little creature on the side of the road that seems very insignificant and not very important, but who turns out to be the master wizard, or the master thing…”

As we all know, one of Lucas’ big deals with the prequels was that they were intended to “rhyme” and mirror the original trilogy in terms of general narrative themes. So there should have been a seemingly innocent creature found on the side of the road that later reveals itself as a major player. We do have a creature that this seems to describe precisely… Jar Jar… but of course he never develops into a “master” anything.

Here’s what I think happened: I think that Jar Jar was initially intended to be the prequel (and Dark Side) equivalent of Yoda. Just as Yoda has his “big reveal” when we learn that his tottering, geriatric goofball persona is just a mask, Jar Jar was intended to have a big reveal in Episode II or III where we learn that he’s not really a naive dope, but rather a master puppeteer Sith in league with (or perhaps in charge of) Palpatine.

However, GL chickened out. The fan reaction to Jar Jar was so vitriolic that this aspect of the trilogy was abandoned. Just too risky… if Jar Jar is truly that off-putting, it’s potentially ruinous to the Star Wars legacy to imply that he’s the ultimate bad guy of the entire saga. So pretend he was just a failed attempt at comic relief instead.

This is why Dooku seems like such a flat, shoehorned-in character with no backstory; he was hastily written in to cover the plot holes left when villain Jar Jar was redacted. Yoda was meant to duel with his literal darkside nemesis and mythological equivalent at the end of AotC: not boring old Count Dooku, but Sith Master Jar Jar. And Binks was meant to escape, not just that duel but to survive the entire trilogy… so that he could cast a shadow on the OT, too; you’d rewatch the originals knowing that the Emperor wasn’t necessarily the big baddie after all… Jar Jar is still out there somewhere. It would have been sort of brilliant.

m.reddit.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:45:08pm

re: #241 Nyet

He also did some very naughty, no-no things for a right-winger. Like EPA.

Yeah I had a whole academic paper on that subject which I wrote during Obama’s first few months in office. I longer have it unfortunately. It’s on a laptop whose cord I am missing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:45:59pm

From what I know now about Nixon is that domestic politics bored him so he really didn’t care. Foreign policy was his big interest.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:46:40pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Cool!

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:49:58pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

I was thinking simply about the assholishness. No need to complicate things.

But there is a need, because Richard Nixon had some clear ideas about what sort of qualities a president needed and what sort of qualities he needed in the ranks of his top advisers, and one of those was a willingness to be ruthless and unfair when the situation required it. So if he regarded Trump as a winner, that means he thought Trump was that ruthless.

re: #241 Nyet

He also did some very naughty, no-no things for a right-winger. Like EPA.

Nixon was president during a time when the trend towards polarization had been set in motion but had yet to make many of its effects felt.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:50:40pm

re: #245 Nyet

Cool!

It was since the guy who taught the course had been director of Nixon and numerous other presidential libraries. Very interesting guy. It was so funny since he named dropped Doris Kearns Goodwin as “Doris” the day he had to present a speech on Lincoln’s bicentennial (this was 2009) and when we talked about Ford, he showed us a clip of himself speaking at Ford’s funeral. The whole class was on the American presidency. It was one of the few American history courses I took but one I really looked forward to every Thursday evening.
en.wikipedia.org

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:52:11pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Cool²!

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:52:33pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

From what I know now about Nixon is that domestic politics bored him so he really didn’t care. Foreign policy was his big interest.

Foreign policy was what he was best at and he did get a great deal done in that arena.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:52:40pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

But there is a need, because Richard Nixon had some clear ideas about what sort of qualities a president needed and what sort of qualities he needed in the ranks of his top advisers, and one of those was a willingness to be ruthless and unfair when the situation required it. So if he regarded Trump as a winner, that means he thought Trump was that ruthless.

Nixon was president during a time when the trend towards polarization had been set in motion but had yet to make many of its effects felt.

But I was simply talking about how Nixon and Trump are both assholes. I think I got at that I understand that Nixon wasn’t an idiot and incompetent leader as I’ve actually researched the man and read his memoirs. It was just a silly joke about how Nixon and Trump are both legendary assholes and that if you had them in the same room, the asshole quotient or whatever you want to call it would be off the spectrum. Just an innocent joke. I know you’re very literal minded but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar or in this case sometimes an asshole is an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:53:54pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Foreign policy was what he was best at and he did get a great deal done in that arena.

He wasn’t bad at domestics honestly either but his problem was that he didn’t trust people. A shame what an inferiority complex can do for one. If Nixon’s ego was right sized, I really firmly believe he could have gone down as a top 10 president easily. He ahd the brains for it but his undoing was himself. I don’t think Shakespeare could ahve written a character like Nixon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:56:46pm

Anyhow on Nixon, i found that Stone movie about him interesting. When I first heard about it, I thought Stone would be very critical given Stone’s reputation but it was surprisingly sympathetic which is something I’ve also heard about W. I don’t know about casting Hopkins who I really like as Nixon but that’s a hard guy to cast. I did like James Woods as Haldeman though since he got the sleazy bootlick down.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:58:15pm

re: #83 Franklin

Welp, the wife called at the end of the mash and I got distracted. Read my numbers wrong and tried to correct by adding dry malt extract (think instant malt, just add water!). Well, I was actually spot on so adding the extract will make this a 9% beer instead of 7.5%

Whoops!

A likely story!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:58:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2015 • 2:59:18pm

re: #254 Aunty Entity Dragon

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He seems to lack that.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:02:40pm

re: #254 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Rod appears to be very worried about Germany. I wonder why that is? My guess is it has something to do with heimat.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:02:52pm

The ethno-nationalists will of course jump on terror attacks in Paris.

Those wanting a Christian West-only US will do anything they can to pour fuel on what they see as the Great War they are fighting. Fighting for Je$u$ of course.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:03:59pm

OK, I’m out. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:04:19pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

He wasn’t bad at domestics honestly either but his problem was that he didn’t trust people. A shame what an inferiority complex can do for one. If Nixon’s ego was right sized, I really firmly believe he could have gone down as a top 10 president easily. He had the brains for it but his undoing was himself. I don’t think Shakespeare could have written a character like Nixon.

I think some of it was the legacy of his VP run in 1952 having almost been derailed over allegations of a “secret slush fund”. What made that so bad was that even after forensic accountants proven Nixon hadn’t done anything wrong, the press, smelling blood, largely ignored the accountants report and kept right on hammering Nixon. Nixon went into the TV speech he gave on the topic knowing he had to hit the ball out of the park or Eisenhower was going to drop him from the ticket.

Nixon did in fact hit a home run with the speech that entered history as the “Checkers Speech” and was able to silence the untrue allegations and become Vice President. But the memory of how he was gone after seems to have stayed fairly raw.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:09:32pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

I think some of it was the legacy of his VP run in 1952 having almost been derailed over allegations of a “secret slush fund”. What made that so bad was that even after forensic accountants proven Nixon hadn’t done anything wrong, the press, smelling blood, largely ignored the accountants report and kept right on hammering Nixon. Nixon went into the TV speech he gave on the topic knowing he had to hit the ball out of the park or Eisenhower was going to drop him from the ticket.

Nixon did in fact hit a home run with the speech that entered history as the “Checkers Speech” and was able to silence the untrue allegations and become Vice President. But the memory of how he was gone after seems to have stayed fairly raw.

The Checkers Speech entered history as a hilarious theatrical feature after Watergate. Unadulterated.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:11:03pm

I guess I am reduced to pushing links to essays that resonate a bit with me: boomantribune.com

Paris Attacks, Part Two, by Martin Longman
I’m not really seeing any commentary (left, right or center) about the Paris terrorist attacks that I don’t find stupid or naïve, or both. So, I’m going to continue to encourage folks to take some time, calm down, and evaluate whether their gut reaction is worth a warm bucket of spit. I’d also like to remind our political leaders, here and abroad, that their biggest challenge is to channel and respect the very destructive and foolish impulses of a scared and angry electorate without doing something really idiotic and completely immoral and self-defeating in response.

There are no easy solutions to a problem like this. But calm decisions are better decisions.

Take your time. Don’t panic. Others will follow your lead.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:12:02pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

BTW there needs to be a Drunk History with Nixon.

Apparently, he already made it.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:18:09pm

Pushed forward

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:24:37pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Judeo-Christian too. And it’s obvoius that Ted only means Christian and by Christian, his brand of Theocratic Evangelical Fascism.

I like how they say “Judeo” as if they have the first fucking clue about Judaism or Jewish values.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:25:58pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

The Checkers Speech entered history as a hilarious theatrical feature after Watergate. Unadulterated.

Sorry, but no. Without the Checkers speech there most likely would not have a Watergate, because Ike would have dropped Nixon into political oblivion for being a drag on the ticket. So if you laugh now that’s OK, but the main result of that speech will always be that it saved Richard Nixon’s political career.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:30:42pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but no. Without the Checkers speech there most likely would not have a Watergate, because Ike would have dropped Nixon into political oblivion for being a drag on the ticket. So if you laugh now that’s OK, but the main result of that speech will always be that it saved Richard Nixon’s political career.

I’m not laughing now, I was laughing in the theater in the 70s. The ‘main result’ may have been needed to put Nixon in the Oval Office, but now Nixon’s career itself is something to laugh at.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 14, 2015 • 5:00:09pm

re: #150 lizardofid

“At least one Syrian passport was found at the scene of the Stade de France attack.”

I saw reports of this earlier. It caused me to wonder what the purpose would be of carrying your passport on a suicide mission.

To poison the well.


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