Jeb Bush Knows How to Deal With ISIS: Moar War

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Here we go again. Jeb Bush urges U.S. declaration of war against ISIL.

Republican presidential contender Jeb Bush said on Sunday, in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on Paris, the U.S. should “declare war” on the Islamic State, which is blamed by the French for the deadly attacks.

“We should declare war, and harness all of the power that the United States can bring to bear, both diplomatic and military, of course, to be able to take out ISIS,” the former governor of Florida said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” charging the Obama administration viewed the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as a “law enforcement exercise.

“We have the capabilities of doing this,” Bush said. “We just haven’t showed the will.”

Asked by NBC host Chuck Todd what President Barack Obama should do in the next few weeks, Bush ticked off key strategic points.

“Declare a no-fly zone over Syria,” he said. “Directly arm the (Kurdish) Peshmerga forces in Iraq. Reengage with the Sunni tribal leaders. Embed with the Iraqi military. Be able to create safe zones in Syria. Garner the support of our European allies and the traditional Arab states.”

“Lead,” Bush said, “That’s what I want him to do. I want him to lead.”

He also said he “absolutely” supported more U.S. combat forces on the ground in Syria.

This is pretty much the default Republican position for any foreign policy problem. Of course, such a war including combat forces in Syria would be likely to involve at least 150,000 US troops and cost trillions of dollars, but why let that stop us? After all, it was fine for big brother W to ruin the US economy with misguided wars…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 11:56:23am

So, according to Jeb:

Lead = Bomb the fuck out of countries who don’t like us.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 11:59:19am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, and when those Da’esh assholes capture some American soldiers and behead them or put them in cages & burn them to death to ratchet things up a notch… *smh*

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:00:18pm

Precision guided Freedom is the best Freedom.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:00:59pm

The Syrian civil war has essentially, what, four sides? So which side to we ally with? Not Assad, right? And obviously not ISIS. So then, who? And what if the side we choose is also backed by the Iranians? And then when the Kurds in Syria wish to form a new Kurdish nation with the Iraqi Kurds, what then? And what happens when Kurds in Turkey wish to join them?

There’s so much more to this mess than “we need to defeat ISIS”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:01:09pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

Yeah, and when those Da’esh assholes capture some American soldiers and behead them or put them in cages & burn them to death to ratchet things up a notch… *smh*

Somalia all over again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:01:50pm

Also, as I recall, arming rebels is a strategy that hasn’t worked out so well for us in the past…

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:03:07pm

Wait, I thought “stuff happens”? Shrug.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:04:35pm

re: #4 KGxvi

Oh, I also forgot about how the Yemeni Civil War plays into this as well. Nice recipe for a regional war we got here.

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palomino  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:05:00pm

Like Cheney, McCain, Miss Lindsey, W, and the neocons who still control his party’s foreign policy thinking, Jeb never met a war he didn’t like. He even thought Iraq was great until a couple of months ago, when other Republicans reminded him that Iraq was an unpopular disaster.

I got a crazy idea. Maybe France should take the lead this time around. Their military is hardly a joke, and they’re clearly motivated to kick ass in a way they haven’t for a century, if not longer. And it seems as if countries in the region, like Lebanon and Turkey (both recent victims of ISIS attacks), could do some of the heavy lifting this time.

Let’s drop the notion that ISIS has to be primarily America’s problem. Let’s try to be less than 95% of the “coalition” this time.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:05:31pm

Declre a “no-fly” zone over Syria? Does Jeb? realize we’d then have to fire on Russian aircraft?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:06:27pm

re: #10 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Feature, bug, etc

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:06:55pm

re: #10 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Declre a “no-fly” zone over Syria? Does Jeb? realize we’d then have to fire on Russian aircraft?

Jeb has no time to think about minor details.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:08:04pm

Jeb? wants to arm the Kurds, too eh? Does he know Turkey is a NATO member?

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:09:24pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Jeb has no time to think about minor details.

He has an election to win.

/

I think you forgot a sentence. I added it in italics.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:10:41pm
“We have the capabilities of doing this,” Bush said. “We just haven’t showed the will.”

Thanks for that “Weak Black President” foghorn, Jeb!

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Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:10:44pm

I just can’t look at this with election glasses. Of course the war on Daesh is going to get bigger, more violent. Frankly one of the better things that could happen is a couple dozen nations get together and attack ISIS AS A REAL COALITION.

Sorry to yell a little but an ugly task is ahead. At best. At worst well I just shudder at the prospects. France may over react on the ground. Its a real risk. Only a broad consensus among nations especially ME nations an assure any success.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:10:56pm

re: #10 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Declre a “no-fly” zone over Syria? Does Jeb? realize we’d then have to fire on Russian aircraft?

That’s what Ben Carson wants to do.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:14:40pm

The first thing that has to be done is to decide what “win” actually means. The current trend seems to head towards annihilation, but that’s quite impossible.

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:15:26pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

he has an election to win

I think you forgot a sentence. I added it in italics.

Why not, it worked for his brother…..?

Anyway, I’m sure that Jeb!’s braintrust see all the chest-thumping war talk as a win-win: Whatever the result, they can blame Obama for any outcome. No war: they can dump on him as a weak “leader”; and even if he sent enough “boots on the ground”; if he doesn’t vanquish ISIL in two weeks with no casualties, they can carp about that…

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:15:32pm

re: #16 Great White Snark

ISIS has been playing the fact that the field is divided. Iran and Russia back one side in the civil wars, Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region back another, the US backs one side but only certain contexts (like when they’re fighting ISIS). If there were just two sides in these wars, it might be manageable. But what we are seeing is like what would have happened if during the American Civil War, Texas decided to be its own nation and then Mexico tried to reclaim Alta California. Everyone is fighting everyone, and ISIS is able to use the chaos to gain a foothold

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:15:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:17:33pm

Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” Carson could not name a specific country or leader he would call to assemble an international coalition to counter the Islamic State, despite being asked three times by host Chris Wallace.

“My point being that if we get out there and we really lead and it appears that we’re making progress, that all of the Arab states and even the non-Arab states who are, I think, beginning to recognize that the jihad movement is global” will join, Carson said.

He suggested that he would shoot down a Russian plane if it violated a U.S.-led no-fly zone over Syria, even when told that the decision could prompt Russia to shoot down a U.S. plane in response.

“If they violate it, we will, in fact, enforce it. We’ll see what happens. For us to always be backing down because we’re afraid of a conflict, that’s not how we became a great nation, Chris,” he said.

“We’ll see what happens…”
good freaking grief.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:17:47pm

And how would Bush pay for this?

Well, by cutting taxes, stripping down useless agencies like the EPA and Dept of Education, and passing projects like the Keystone pipeline.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:18:54pm
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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:19:06pm

re: #21 jaunte

Can we just trade our white nationalists for Syrian refugees?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:20:50pm

re: #24 Kragar

Destroy the ideology and then figure out what to replace it with? Fucking brilliant that. I mean it’s not like we didn’t try something like that in Germany, circa 1918

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:21:08pm

We’ll see what happens, but we don’t back down because we’re not askerd.

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Skip Intro  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:22:03pm

re: #26 KGxvi

Destroy the ideology and then figure out what to replace it with? Fucking brilliant that. I mean it’s not like we didn’t try something like that in Germany, circa 1918

Bush the Lesssor showed us the way in Iraq. Look how well that worked out.

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William Lewis  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:22:07pm

What a typical Bush League reaction.

Tell you what JEB, you fucking parachute in with the first fucking wave.

God I despise chicken hawks.

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wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:22:26pm

Jeb!:

“I do think we have a responsibility to help with refugees after proper screening,…”

I agree, we need to be screened to determine whether we know how to help refugees responsibly. I know we know how to throw them in jail; women and children and all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:22:33pm

re: #18 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The first thing that has to be done is to decide what “win” actually means. The current trend seems to head towards annihilation, but that’s quite impossible.

Oh don’t worry, the Bushes know exactly what winning means…

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:23:14pm
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Kragar  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:24:51pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:25:48pm

re: #32 Kragar

[Ann Coulter On Paris Attacks: ‘Donald Trump Was Elected President Tonight’ ]

Of France? C’est la vie.

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Skip Intro  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:25:59pm

Another lover of permanent war weighs in.

Lindsey Graham: ‘There’s A 9/11 Coming’ After Paris

Graham calls for 10,000 U.S. ground troops in Iraq and Syria. “If we don’t do these things soon, what you’ve seen in Paris is coming to America.

And we can pay for it by selling off the national parks and closing the VA.

huffingtonpost.com

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Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:30:17pm

re: #20 KGxvi

Just an armchair thought.
The smart if controversial play is to triangulate on the Russians. We have momentum and moment. We and other nations like France go in big big air power, some specialist troops. NATO article 5 action. Cruise missiles etc. That’s the stick. If they want us to drop the diplo track on Assad and betray the rebels we have supported in Syria Russia gets everything bigger than a pistol out of Ukraine, and roll back the rebels there. That’s the carrot.

Or Russia can risk flying the same airspace as NATO and a coalition. They get Assad, and that port. We get after ISIS and roll back the Ukraine crisis. And promise to GTFO when done. No regime change no politics imposed on the local nations.

We can divide the airspace for attacks. We do a hard deal, the Russians give up something big and we all that coalition i mentioned) stomp on DAESH. ISIS is a threat to us all. Russia backing off Ukraine some and Assad in power, not so damn much at all.

Syrians can then go home. Those that want to and I suspect many would even with a merely chastened Assad in power. While the world watches gun in hand.

Just thinking we have to give up something and regime change in Syria is a least worst choice. Not a good one. But maybe for the best for the locals and the rest of us.

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Jay C  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:31:30pm

re: #23 Kragar

And how would Bush pay for this?

WHAT? We’re in an Existential Clash of Civilizations and you’re worried about the MONEY?!? Typical hippie commie libtard peacenik chickensh*t!!1!!1…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:32:55pm

Oh look A Trump Bankruptcy Troofer in my mentions==>

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blueraven  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:34:32pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:36:39pm

Did he seriously trot out the “law enforcement” vs. “war” bullshit? Did I go to sleep and wake up in 2002?

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:39:22pm

Yeah, way to go and legitimize a bunch of assholes. Idiot.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:40:32pm

Interesting exchange:

Twitter gets really annoying sometimes.

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:43:18pm

Maybe there should be an SAT test for Presidential Candidates.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:44:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:45:19pm
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jaunte  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:45:49pm

…and their staffs.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:47:27pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Apparently the defining item for them is who is pulling the trigger, not that people are being hit by bullets.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:48:52pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

Another lover of permanent war weighs in.

Lindsey Graham: ‘There’s A 9/11 Coming’ After Paris

And we can pay for it by selling off the national parks and closing the VA.

huffingtonpost.com

He recommends 10,000 ground troops? We don’t even know for sure how many fighters they have. Back in the fall of 2014 the CIA estimated between 20,000 - 31,500. Then in June of this year Deputy Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said we’d killed 10,000. Emphasis added:

While that number seems substantial — given that estimates released by the CIA in the fall suggested ISIS had between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters — it might not be as significant as it initially appears. Even before airstrikes began, ISIS controlled major cities in Iraq and Syria, but the bombing campaign has yet to substantially slow its ability to launch new assaults and expand its territory. Just as troubling, analysts say, the death toll suggests ISIS is much bigger than Western intelligence first assumed.

“If [10,000 killed] is accurate, then that means all the estimates of ISIS strength from the fall were wildly inaccurate,” said Patrick Skinner, director of special projects at The Soufan Group, a New York-based security intelligence firm. “I’m pretty certain we haven’t gotten rid of either a third or half of their fighters.”

Estimates of the size of ISIS have varied widely. In addition to the CIA’s figures, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has estimated ISIS has 50,000 fighters in Syria alone. Others have put the size of the group’s fighting force as high as 200,000. By comparison, Iraq’s security forces are estimated to have approximately 84,000 between the military and federal police force combined, and Syria’s army is thought to have 125,000 regulars in April, according to The New York Times. But in Syria, ISIS is primarily attacking territory held by a hodgepodge of rebels and the Al Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al Nusra, whose numbers are smaller than the nation’s army. […]

pbs.org

So they could have 10,000 or 200,000—we have no way of knowing really—and Lindsey effing Graham can come up with an exact number of troops he thinks is necessary? And let’s not forget that they’re not the only players in this bloody game.

Yes, let’s let the hawks call the shots on this thing because it worked out so well last time, and the time before that, and…

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:53:24pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

Oops, sorry—forgot the link. It’s been added now.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2015 • 12:58:37pm

re: #19 Jay C

Why not, it worked for his brother…..?

Anyway, I’m sure that Jeb!’s braintrust see all the chest-thumping war talk as a win-win: Whatever the result, they can blame Obama for any outcome. No war: they can dump on him as a weak “leader”; and even if he sent enough “boots on the ground”; if he doesn’t vanquish ISIL in two weeks with no casualties, they can carp about that…

Charlie Pierce’s article now has 97.2k shares:

Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend’s laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

…There are things that nations can do in response that do not involve scapegoating the powerless and detaining the innocent. There is no real point in focusing a response on the people whose religion makes us nervous. States should retaliate against states. It is long past time for the oligarchies of the Gulf states to stop paying protection to the men in the suicide belts…

It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

esquire.com

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:01:06pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not sure if we should be laughing at the GOP because of Trump and Carson or crying about how far the GOP has descended because of Trump and Carson.

The base may be dunce but surely the 1% who support Republicans financially can foresee the disaster next November if a joke candidate runs against a Democratic candidate.

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blueraven  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:01:39pm
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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:04:32pm

re: #48 CuriousLurker

So they could have 10,000 or 200,000—we have no way of knowing really—and Lindsey effing Graham can come up with an exact number of troops he thinks is necessary?

Classic dodge - he lays down the 10K number because he doesn’t want to be accused of being ‘vague,’ and picks the 10K number because it sounds like a reasonably-sized force.

If one of these gung-ho assholes lands in the White House, we’ll be sending 10,00 troops per month.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:04:43pm

Who would have imagined that Dubya would turn out to be the smarter of the two brothers?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:06:08pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

Oh look A Trump Bankruptcy Troofer in my mentions==>

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Didn’t Trump admit that four of his companies have filed for bankruptcies? What is there to dispute about that?

politifact.com

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:06:24pm

re: #36 Great White Snark

And promise to GTFO when done. No regime change no politics imposed on the local nations.

The Syrian Civil War is now four years old. I doubt the factions that have been fighting to overthrow Assad will be okay with that. We also have to consider Iran’s role in Syria and the region as a whole - the Saudis aren’t going to be happy with any deal we make with Iran.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:07:34pm

War tax on overseas profit first.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:07:53pm

re: #52 blueraven

Syria seems like a tricky place. Who exactly are the “good” guys that we’re supposed to help? The problem with giving ammunition to one side or the other is that eventually that side could flip and use those weapons against us. I believe that’s what happened with the Taliban.

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:08:24pm

re: #53 makeitstop

HURR HURR, DUM LIBTARDS, SHOUDDA REEDED THE FINE PRINTS - IT WAS 10000 TROUPES PER MONTH, NOT TOTAL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:09:13pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

Not sure if we should be laughing at the GOP because of Trump and Carson or crying about how far the GOP has descended because of Trump and Carson.

The base may be dunce but surely the 1% who support Republicans financially can foresee the disaster next November if a joke candidate runs against a Democratic candidate.

You may be overestimating them.

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blueraven  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:09:31pm

re: #58 Patricia Kayden

Syria seems like a tricky place. Who exactly are the “good” guys that we’re supposed to help? The problem with giving ammunition to one side or the other is that eventually that side could flip and use those weapons against us. I believe that’s what happened with the Taliban.

Well, so far the Kurds have been the “good guys”.

How that will end…who knows?

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:09:43pm

Not to be facetious, but this feels like when you start a war in one of the Civilization games and everyone ends up fighting everyone else with weird alliances.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:10:27pm

10 000 vs 100 000?

Yep, love those odds…

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KGxvi  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:12:38pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

The 1% is all about return on investment. If the choice is between Hillary Clinton and either Ben Carson or Donald Trump, they’ll realize Clinton has the better return on investment and flip

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:13:51pm

re: #56 KGxvi

The Syrian Civil War is now four years old. I doubt the factions that have been fighting to overthrow Assad will be okay with that. We also have to consider Iran’s role in Syria and the region as a whole - the Saudis aren’t going to be happy with any deal we make with Iran.

Gah, I forgot all about Iran. This is such fricking complicated situation. *sigh*

We have to figure out how to outsmart them because I don’t think we can out out-fight them. I don’t mean we can’t visit more death upon them because we have more & bigger weapons, but they don’t even blink at the worst kinds of brutality, therefore we can’t out-brutalize them. At least not if we want to remain who we are.

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Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:14:12pm

re: #56 KGxvi

The Syrian Civil War is now four years old. I doubt the factions that have been fighting to overthrow Assad will be okay with that. We also have to consider Iran’s role in Syria and the region as a whole - the Saudis aren’t going to be happy with any deal we make with Iran.

They get a one front war instead of a two front war. Not great but could be worse.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:14:27pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:15:24pm
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Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:16:58pm

I’m looking at Emscripten and am amazed. When did Javascript became a fullblown programming language in which almost anything can be written, no matter the complexity? So cool.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:17:29pm

re: #66 Great White Snark

They get a one front war instead of a two front war. Not great but could be worse.

I’m perfectly content to let France handle it. We don’t need to lead on this thing.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:18:08pm

Anybody know how to do advanced searches on Twitter? Apparently #FuckParis is a thing being blamed on #BlackLivesMatter and #Mizzou. Because of course.

I see the hashtag going back into September and it probably relates to sports or something.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:20:18pm

re: #71 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Anybody know how to do advanced searches on Twitter? Apparently #FuckParis is a thing being blamed on #BlackLivesMatter and #Mizzou. Because of course.

I see the hashtag going back into September and it probably relates to sports or something.

twitter.com

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:20:39pm

How Paris ISIS Terrorists May Have Used PlayStation 4 To Discuss And Plan Attacks

“…The hunt for those responsible (eight terrorists were killed Saturday night, but accomplices may still be at large) led to a number of raids in nearby Brussels. Evidence reportedly turned up included at least one PlayStation 4 console.

Belgian federal home affairs minister Jan Jambon said outright that the PS4 is used by ISIS agents to communicate, and was selected due to the fact that it’s notoriously hard to monitor.”

“…While it remains unclear whether the Paris ISIS terrorists employed PS4 to communicate, there are a few options, from sending messages through the PlayStation Network (PSN) online gaming service and voice-chatting to even communicating through a specific game. Documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013 revealed that the NSA and CIA actually embedded themselves in games like World of Warcraft to infiltrate virtual terrorist meet-ups.”

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:21:09pm

If you say we need to make college debt-free, need to expand healthcare, or raise wages, Republicans moan that we’re “broke,” can’t afford what we’re already spending, and we need to start taking an ax to the budget.

But say “MOAR WAR!,” and the credit card suddenly comes out as Republicans argue about how “deficits don’t matter.”

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:22:01pm

re: #71 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

It’s from 2012, but it should still work: 10 Tips and Tricks for Powerful Twitter Search

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:22:47pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

twitter.com

Well that’s a lot easier. ;-)

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:23:19pm

Senator David Vitter

President Obama’s plan to bring 10,000 Syrian refugees to the U.S. - just like his statement made a day before the Paris attacks that ISIS was ‘contained’ — is outrageous and irresponsible. That’s exactly how at least one, maybe more of the Paris terrorists got there. These Syrians have already started arriving in Louisiana. That needs to stop immediately, and I will continue to lead that fight and protect the people of Louisiana.

Ever wonder how the US and the Roosevelt administration were callous enough to turn away so many Jewish refugees before World War II?
Wonder no more.
“But Jews weren’t terrorists!” the RWNJs might respond. Well, in fact, they were accused of terrorism, in the form of Bolshevik revolution. A popular saying at the time was “the Jews brought socialism with them on the boat,” and one still hears it from Birchers and other old right throwbacks. Of course, these were (and are) people who conflate any form of socialism with bloodthirsty revolutionaries running wild in the streets.

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Targetpractice  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:24:38pm

re: #73 jaunte

How Paris ISIS Terrorists May Have Used PlayStation 4 To Discuss And Plan Attacks

“…While it remains unclear whether the Paris ISIS terrorists employed PS4 to communicate, there are a few options, from sending messages through the PlayStation Network (PSN) online gaming service and voice-chatting to even communicating through a specific game. Documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2013 revealed that the NSA and CIA actually embedded themselves in games like World of Warcraft to infiltrate virtual terrorist meet-ups.”

I always suspected the Horde was a terrorist organization.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:24:48pm

re: #69 Nyet

I’m looking at Emscripten and am amazed. When did Javascript became a fullblown programming language in which almost anything can be written, no matter the complexity? So cool.

Javascript is a remarkably flexible language; the asynchronous nature lends itself very well to many types of programming. With the development of Node and asm.js it’s taking the next step into being a competitor with C/C++/etc.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:24:50pm

re: #71 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I don’t know who first made the hashtag, but I do see some BLM folks joining in.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:25:08pm

re: #4 KGxvi

The Syrian civil war has essentially, what, four sides? So which side to we ally with? Not Assad, right? And obviously not ISIS. So then, who? And what if the side we choose is also backed by the Iranians? And then when the Kurds in Syria wish to form a new Kurdish nation with the Iraqi Kurds, what then? And what happens when Kurds in Turkey wish to join them?

There’s so much more to this mess than “we need to defeat ISIS”.

And since the GOP is so helpful with their demands to go to war against ISIL, perhaps they could dignify everyone with an AUMF that President Obama requested way back in January 2015 at the SOTU. You know, so the President could actually go to war with Congressional approval to address ISIL, Assad, and the ongoing conflict in Syria and Iraq.

But Congress, and the GOP in particular, are far more interested in spouting platitudes than providing an actual policy. Anything Obama does will be insufficient, even when it’s exactly the same thing that any of the GOPer would do (UAV strikes, targeted attacks against ISIL, SOG infiltration missions to take out high value targets, conduct SAR and recon, etc.) And Obama has been doing all that - and taking out high value targets for years, from OBL on down.

82
lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:26:24pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Those who forget history, and the history of the Saint Louis, are doomed to repeat it.

These GOPers are looking to repeat it.

83
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:27:19pm

re: #80 Nyet

I don’t know who first made the hashtag, but I do see some BLM folks joining in.

I’ve seen some PoC joining in but it’s not apparent they are BLM people. It’s just chatter from a few people. But that’s enough to hang it officially on BLM.

84
makeitstop  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:28:11pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

I’m perfectly content to let France handle it. We don’t need to lead on this thing.

This. The screamers on FB are demanding that WE do something about Paris.

Why are we responsible? France can deliver their response well without our help.

85
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:29:11pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

Who would have imagined that Dubya would turn out to be the smarter of the two brothers?


Michael Schaivo, since you asked.

86
gwangung  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:31:10pm

re: #84 makeitstop

This. The screamers on FB are demanding that WE do something about Paris.

Why are we responsible? France can deliver their response well without our help.

Not to mention that it’s honorable to let them take the lead.

87
lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:31:32pm

re: #84 makeitstop

This. The screamers on FB are demanding that WE do something about Paris.

Why are we responsible? France can deliver their response well without our help.

And considering that the Levant was within the French sphere of influence after WWI, they continue to have ongoing connections with both Lebanon and Syria. The French can surely take point on this, and request US assistance if needed.

88
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:31:37pm

re: #83 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Well, here’s one example of a BLM guy:

89
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:32:22pm

re: #84 makeitstop

re: #70 CuriousLurker

They simply don’t have the means. Gosh I share your reluctance in so many ways. Wait and see if France file Article 5 NATO agreement. An attack on one is an attack on all. It seems likely they will continue attacks like what we saw in France.

90
makeitstop  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:32:39pm

re: #86 gwangung

Not to mention that it’s honorable to let them take the lead.

Excellent point.

91
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:33:59pm

And now I’ve got one of these “The French are pussies!” people showing up in my FB feed. How the hell? Someone needs to be unfriended methinks.

92
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:35:05pm

re: #88 Nyet

Well, here’s one example of a BLM guy:

[Embedded content]

He’s a black dude. And a kook. And he has 230 followers. How is he a BLM guy… any more than say, me?

93
lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:35:30pm

re: #89 Great White Snark

France has the means to carry out certain kinds of missions, as they have a significant special forces capability, plus an aircraft carrier that was already set to deploy to the region (and which may have been one of the reasons IS struck). They’ll probably call on the US for logistical support, but let French take the lead on trying to get those who they can tie to the attack.

94
goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:37:24pm

re: #84 makeitstop

This. The screamers on FB are demanding that WE do something about Paris.

Why are we responsible? France can deliver their response well without our help.

We are helping though, providing targeting assistance and satellite intel.

The U.S. is expanding intelligence sharing with France and has agreed to speed the delivery of detailed targeting information in support of French retaliatory strikes against Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq, officials said.

In response to Friday’s coordinated terrorist attacks in Paris, the U.S. has started sharing so-called “targeting packages” with France, identifying Islamic State targets for strikes by French warplanes. It also plans to roll back restrictions that impede intelligence sharing to make it easier for France to intensify its air campaign.

Officials said the changes amount to giving France a seat at the table alongside America’s most-trusted intelligence-sharing partners in developing future target packages for strikes against Islamic State.

Basically the Obama Administration has effectively elevated France to what was previously knows as Five Eyes status, at least with regards to combatting ISIS. Something we’ve not done before.

95
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:37:28pm

re: #92 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

He’s a black dude. And a kook. And he has 230 followers. How is he a BLM guy… any more than say, me?

BLM is a decentralized movement around the #blacklivesmatter hashtag. Sort of like the Anonymous. Or Gamergate.

Now you explain how he is not a BLM guy, seeing his regular use of the hashtag non-ironically.

96
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:37:48pm

re: #90 makeitstop

Only if you think about just this attack. ISIS has bombed a bunch of places. Who leads?

97
CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:40:12pm

re: #89 Great White Snark

They simply don’t have the means. Gosh I share your reluctance in so many ways. Wait and see if France file Article 5 NATO agreement. An attack on one is an attack on all.

They seem to be doing okay so far. It’s early though. I don’t know enough about NATO to know if there are any problems with getting an Article 5 for fighting a group that’s not really a state actor (despite what they call themselves or claim is their capitol capital).

It seems likely they will continue attacks like what we saw in France.

I’m sure they will, which is why we need to outsmart them, not simply pound them. This extremist crap seems to be hydra-headed ideology where every time one head gets lopped off, another more vicious one grows in its place.

We also need to stop with the old Cold War models of thinking & organizing with our allies. It’s not going to work—we must adapt to the new threat.

98
goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:40:30pm

re: #96 Great White Snark

Only if you think about just this attack. ISIS has bombed a bunch of places. Who leads?

Ideally, the UN.

Stop laughing.

99
lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:40:54pm

France is already launching airstrikes against targets in Syria. According to CNN.

French military planes bombed a series of ISIS sites in Raqqa, Syria, on Sunday in what officials described as a major bombardment.

The targets included a command center, a recruitment center, an ammunition storage base and a training camp for the terror group, said Mickael Soria, press adviser for France’s defense minister.

ISIS claims Raqqa as the capital of its so-called caliphate. The airstrikes come two days after ISIS claimed responsibility for a series of terrorist attacks in Paris on Friday. France’s President described those attacks as “an act of war.”

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:41:52pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

We are helping though, providing targeting assistance and satellite intel.

Basically the Obama Administration has effectively elevated France to what was previously knows as Five Eyes status, at least with regards to combatting ISIS. Something we’ve not done before.

Thanks. I’d never even heard of that before.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:42:07pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

We are helping though, providing targeting assistance and satellite intel.

Basically the Obama Administration has effectively elevated France to what was previously knows as Five Eyes status, at least with regards to combatting ISIS. Something we’ve not done before.

I’m all for it. Any type of assistance we can lend should be given.

But these GOP candidates would just run W’s war plan all over again without blinking. And Halliburton and all the other bad actors from that debacle would line right up.

102
lawhawk  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:43:37pm
103
goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:45:38pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

They seem to be doing okay so far. It’s early though. I don’t know enough about NATO to know if there are any problems with getting an Article 5 for fighting a group that’s not really a state actor (despite what they call themselves or claim is their capitol).

A coordinated NATO mission is probably the only real way to shoehorn Turkey off its ass.

The obvious problem with organizing under NATO instead of say the UN is how Russia perceives things. The best possible solution is one that gets Putin to buy in on forcing Assad into some kind of retirement, and allows for the creation of a magical successor government that Sunni and Shia feel comfortable living under.

Basically, George Bush broke the region and nobody has any concrete idea of how to fix it.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:49:11pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

….(despite what they call themselves or claim is their capitol capital).

Gah! I hate when I don’t see typos until someone quotes my comment.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:50:12pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

Gah! I hate when I don’t see typos until someone quotes my comment.

It’s worse than Hitler.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:50:46pm

re: #96 Great White Snark

Only if you think about just this attack. ISIS has bombed a bunch of places. Who leads?

There’s a lot of French national pride riding on this response, and it’s their fight in this instance. Of course they should lead.

I’m just a little tired of people looking at a situation involving a foreign country and complaining that we haven’t responded. We’re already bombing IS and have been for a while. It’s like wingnuts expect us to fight France’s battles for them, which is weird.

Aren’t they supposed to hate the French?

107
Alephnaught  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:51:07pm

re: #69 Nyet

I’m looking at Emscripten and am amazed. When did Javascript became a fullblown programming language in which almost anything can be written, no matter the complexity? So cool.

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Javascript is a remarkably flexible language; the asynchronous nature lends itself very well to many types of programming. With the development of Node and asm.js it’s taking the next step into being a competitor with C/C++/etc.

It’s good enough these days that there’s a demo scene based around Javscript, such as this site.

I’ve even done a Javscript demo based on my old Atari Falcon demos. (Warning- it’s an obvious joke.)

http://seniordads.atari.org/demos/def.html.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:51:42pm

Um wow:

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Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:51:56pm

re: #93 lawhawk

France has the means to carry out certain kinds of missions, as they have a significant special forces capability, plus an aircraft carrier that was already set to deploy to the region (and which may have been one of the reasons IS struck). They’ll probably call on the US for logistical support, but let French take the lead on trying to get those who they can tie to the attack.

Yes, that’s all well said and done. I agree completely. I should have pointed out I meant the larger longer job. Taking ISIS down to minimal threat status. By the local measure. Those town that got ethnic cleansed, people burnt alive. That atrocity on the Yazidis. No. That must be stopped. To the extent that kind of thinking overlaps with the RW candidates I’m truly sorry.

I just hope what I wrote about a coalition, how we have to invest the local nations tempers anyone’s reaction to my opinion on the force that will be necessarily used. Not for pride, not for headlines. Just to stop these guys. No more no less. I’m at a place where I can no longer object to stepping up to stop ISIS. Been there since some of the worst atrocities. I hope this attack gels up the right nations to do the right thing. I hope this attack does it because more of the same without a stronger effort against ISIS is also very hard to contemplate, at least for me.

110
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:52:03pm

The disadvantage of a decentralized “hashtag” movement: anyone can join. And when people join and then do something disgusting or criminal, the whole gets blamed and everybody gets splash damage. Occupy, Anon, Gamergate have all had the same problem.

111
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:52:21pm

And one of my acquaintances nails it about Muslims and Paris. 6 million Muslims in France. 1-% would be 600,000 violent attackers and 1% would be 60,000 and 1/10 of 1% would be 6,000 people.

112
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:52:41pm

re: #108 electrotek

Um wow:

[Embedded content]

Uh no. He killed innocent kids. Roll again and try again fuckface.

113
CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:53:36pm

re: #108 electrotek

Um wow:

[Embedded content]

Ugh. *spit*

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:53:43pm

re: #110 Nyet

The disadvantage of a decentralized “hashtag” movement: anyone can join. And when people join and then do something disgusting or criminal, the whole gets blamed and everybody gets splash damage. Occupy, Anon, Gamergate have all had the same problem.

I once created a hashtag, #AmIAThugNow. That doesn’t make it a movement.

115
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:54:03pm

re: #108 electrotek

That’s not an untypical response on the right. I’ve seen some otherwise “mainstream” (sort of) people expressing some sympathy long before Paris.

116
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:54:04pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Ideally, the UN.

Stop laughing.

Mr. w said that last night. It was just him & me, but there was no laughing.

117
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:54:32pm

re: #114 Belafon

I once created a hashtag, #AmIAThugNow. That doesn’t make it a movement.

No, it doesn’t. Because you’re one guy.

118
Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:55:11pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Javascript is a remarkably flexible language; the asynchronous nature lends itself very well to many types of programming. With the development of Node and asm.js it’s taking the next step into being a competitor with C/C++/etc.

I’m studying a lot of compiler design stuff right now for fun (yeah, I know). I find it interesting that you can have a language created using C/C++ being a competitor.

119
Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:55:45pm
120
Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:55:57pm

re: #117 Nyet

No, it doesn’t. Because you’re one guy.

Passing around hashtags doesn’t make you part of a movement, otherwise we’d have a whole lot of #tcot members here.

121
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:56:05pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Uh no. He killed innocent kids. Roll again and try again fuckface.

Somehow a guy murdering 70 innocent white people is a hero, against the people who just murdered 129 white people.

Oookaaay.

122
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:56:27pm

re: #117 Nyet

No, it doesn’t. Because you’re one guy.

I just retweeted it!

123
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:56:59pm

re: #120 Belafon

Passing around hashtags doesn’t make you part of a movement, otherwise we’d have a whole lot of #tcot members here.

First of all your argument is a strawman. Second, tcot doesn’t position itself as a movement. All the hashtag movements I have listed do.

124
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:57:40pm

re: #122 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I just retweeted it!

Good, wait until at least a couple of hundreds will join you, then you’ll actually have a movement.

125
Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 1:59:11pm

re: #124 Nyet

Good, wait until at least a couple of hundreds will join you, then you’ll actually have a movement.

Yay, Nyet gets to define what a movement is and who’s in it!

126
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:00:21pm

re: #125 Belafon

Yay, Nyet gets to define what a movement is!

Yes, I do. You do too. Just be sure your definition is coherent and doesn’t amount to “they’re bad guys therefore they are not a part”. That’s what gamergaters do.

127
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:00:21pm

I’m going to start a movement: I’m going to move some of this beer into my stomach. Maybe I’ll have some followers.

128
Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:00:37pm

re: #125 Belafon

Yay, Nyet gets to define what a movement is and who’s in it!

And my point is that just finding this one black guy using a hashtag doesn’t make him a part of BLM any more than my being a white guy on a computer makes me part of gamergate.

129
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:01:51pm

re: #128 Belafon

And my point is that just finding this one black guy using a hashtag doesn’t make him a part of BLM any more than my being a white guy on a computer makes me part of gamergate.

Posting with the hashtag #gamergate in support of Gamergate makes you a part of gamergate. Strange that you didn’t know this.

Also: what makes one a part of BLM then?

130
PhillyPretzel  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:01:56pm

re: #127 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Well it is 5 o’clock here on the East Coast; maybe I will have some dinner. :)

131
CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:02:37pm

Heh, 30 minutes ago the fur was flying because the feline overlords both wanted the same space on the table to the left of my desk. Now they’re curled up together peacefully grooming each other. Cats! *smh*

I’m gonna go play with my new printer. Later, lizards.

132
ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:03:18pm

re: #128 Belafon

And my point is that just finding this one black guy using a hashtag doesn’t make him a part of BLM any more than my being a white guy on a computer makes me part of gamergate.

Well, from what I am gaining, if you are not part of gamergate, then you must be a Social Justice Warrior.

Have I got that right? Is that sufficiently us and them?

/

133
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:04:20pm

re: #129 Nyet

Also: what makes one a part of BLM then?

If one really wants to be considered a part of it and not just a fan of it, dropping one’s anonymity would be appropriate, when safe.

134
goddamnedfrank  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:04:38pm

I’m going to need booze if there’s going to be a taxonomic hashtag argument.

135
gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:04:54pm

re: #95 Nyet

Now you explain how he is not a BLM guy, seeing his regular use of the hashtag non-ironically.

OK, I did a little Twitter research and apparently that guy started the #fuckparis tag and he does have a history of calling people racists and has linked to #blacklivesmatter favorably several times. So what? He is one idiot and except for a couple other black idiots, 99% of the Tweets are from racist whites accusing blacklivesmatter supporters of being animals.The alleged BLM tie-in is The Internationally_ Knwn guy and this asshole

Is this proof the pro-life movement supports ISIS?

136
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:06pm

re: #121 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Somehow a guy murdering 70 innocent white people is a hero, against the people who just murdered 129 white people.

Oookaaay.

Ideology trumps methods with these people.

137
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:12pm

re: #131 CuriousLurker

Two on me one in left arm one on lap

138
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:13pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

I’m going to need booze if there’s going to be a taxonomic hashtag argument.

Come sit next to me, I have plenty.

139
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:14pm

re: #130 PhillyPretzel

Well it is 5 o’clock here on the East Coast; maybe I will have some dinner. :)

Aha! I knew it. My theory that it is always 5’Oclock somewhere is confirmed.

(stands proudly, chest out, smiles with steely gaze)

140
Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:38pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

I’m going to need booze if there’s going to be a taxonomic hashtag argument.

#TaxonomicHashtagArgument

141
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:05:50pm

“These bad guys that send threats are not part of the Gamergate just because they’re using our hashtag!”

“Yeah, sure, you terrorists will deny it.”

“These bad guys that send sucky tweets are not part of BLM just because they’re using our hashtag!”

*sagely nods*

142
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:07:04pm

re: #137 Great White Snark

Two on me one in left arm one on lap

How’s the new Manx? What name landed on her?

143
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:10:01pm

re: #120 Belafon

Passing around hashtags doesn’t make you part of a movement, otherwise we’d have a whole lot of #tcot members here.

LOL

144
gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:10:26pm

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

Somehow a guy murdering 70 innocent white people is a hero, against the people who just murdered 129 white people.

He killed liberals so it doesn’t count as terrorism.

145
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:10:29pm

re: #56 KGxvi

The Syrian Civil War is now four years old. I doubt the factions that have been fighting to overthrow Assad will be okay with that. We also have to consider Iran’s role in Syria and the region as a whole - the Saudis aren’t going to be happy with any deal we make with Iran.

Tough shit.

146
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:11:34pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Cinnamon. Total lap cat. Napped around my neck. wonderful, folded in well now aiming for top cat among the 3. Made bff with oldest cat.

147
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:12:19pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Tough shit.

Agreed

148
Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:14:01pm
149
Great White Snark  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:15:26pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

now…

150
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:19:25pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

now…

[Embedded content]

Awww, look at her snuggling in!

151
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:20:25pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

A coordinated NATO mission is probably the only real way to shoehorn Turkey off its ass.

The obvious problem with organizing under NATO instead of say the UN is how Russia perceives things. The best possible solution is one that gets Putin to buy in on forcing Assad into some kind of retirement, and allows for the creation of a magical successor government that Sunni and Shia feel comfortable living under.

Basically, George Bush Edmund Allenby broke the region and nobody has any concrete idea of how to fix it.

152
PhillyPretzel  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:20:38pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

Please pardon the pun: purrfect. :)

153
thedopefishlives  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:22:17pm

Evening Lizardim.

154
Belafon  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:22:32pm

An interesting point is the idea that none of the major countries in the region are actually fighting ISIS. As long as that’s mostly true, there’s not a whole lot outside countries are going to be able to do unless they plan on taking over the entire area (Haliburton and Exxon would probably like that).

155
Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:26:14pm

re: #127 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I’m going to start a movement: I’m going to move some of this beer into my stomach. Maybe I’ll have some followers.

If it’s Budweiser you’ll have a movement before you know it.

156
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:31:34pm

storify.com

157
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:33:45pm

re: #156 Nyet

storify.com

Just saw this scroll past, exactly what you’re talking about==>

158
Stanley Sea Toujours  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:34:10pm
159
Dark_Falcon  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:34:46pm

re: #135 gocart mozart

OK, I did a little Twitter research and apparently that guy started the #fuckparis tag and he does have a history of calling people racists and has linked to #blacklivesmatter favorably several times. So what? He is one idiot and except for a couple other black idiots, 99% of the Tweets are from racist whites accusing blacklivesmatter supporters of being animals.The alleged BLM tie-in is The Internationally_ Knwn guy and this asshole

[Embedded content]

Is this proof the pro-life movement supports ISIS?

No, its proof that Twitter has all kinds of asshole and people should take care to avoid confirmation bias when Twitter assholes are found.

Most Twitter assholes do fall into ‘standard’ categories, but there are some rare and different ones and even a few uniquely assholish people there.

160
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:37:27pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea Toujours

Prolly a UKIPer.

161
The War TARDIS  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:38:53pm

re: #160 Nyet

If the train had hit that guy instead, there would have been no loss.

162
gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:50:22pm

If you want to understand the mess in Syria, watch this.
Syria’s war: Who is fighting and why

163
gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2015 • 2:55:50pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

No, its proof that Twitter has all kinds of asshole and people should take care to avoid confirmation bias when Twitter assholes are found.

I was being sarcastic but that is exactly my point about this #FuckParis bullshit fake outrage.

164
Nyet  Nov 15, 2015 • 3:03:27pm

re: #163 gocart mozart

I was being sarcastic but that is exactly my point about this #FuckParis bullshit fake outrage.

The outrage is fake, like any that blames the whole for the deeds of a tiny part.

165
Alephnaught  Nov 15, 2015 • 3:11:57pm

v12-xre: #149 Great White Snark

now…

[Embedded content]

This may be just a coincidence, but…

Ellie Sleeping

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