Ben Carson Says Al Qaeda Wasn’t a Threat in 2003

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Here goes Ben Carson, trying to sound knowledgeable about foreign policy and national security and just coming off as a multi-level ignoramus: Carson: al Qaeda was not a threat in 2003.

“A lot of Americans really think back to 2003, and they remember Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda,” Carson explained at a Nevada rally. “They say, ‘we never should have gone in there and destabilized it.’ And they may be right about that.”

“But here’s the problem, Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda at that time was not an existential threat to us. The global jihad movement is an existential threat. They want to destroy us and everything that has to do with us,” Carson concluded after criticizing President Obama for withdrawing troops from Iraq.

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On ISIS, Carson said the “global jihad movement,” gives Americans just two choices. “We can sit around and act like they are the jayvee, and that they aren’t going to do anything and that they’re only significant over there. Or we can use every resource available to us to destroy them first.”

“I would go with the latter,” he added.

Ouch. Maybe someone should remind Ben Carson that Al Qaeda actually carried out the most deadly terrorist attacks on America in history on September 11, 2001. He seems to have forgotten.

Carson can probably try to slide out of this one by saying he qualified his statement as “an existential threat,” but in what sense is ISIS an “existential threat” to the United States? Carson can’t seriously believe ISIS represents a threat to the very existence of America; he’s using words like this because he knows they scare propagandized Republican voters, and fear is pretty much the entire Republican message in this election season.

UPDATE at 11/16/15 5:35:33 pm by Charles Johnson

Just to refresh our memory, here are some of the terror attacks carried out by al Qaeda in 2003:

  • The 2003 Riyadh compound bombings occurred on 12 May 2003, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 39 people were killed, and over 160 wounded.
  • On 8 November 2003, on the day the US State Department warned of further attacks in Saudi Arabia, a suicide truck bomb detonated outside the Al-Mohaya housing compound in Laban Valley, West of Riyadh, killing 18 people and wounding 122.
  • The 2003 Casablanca bombings occurred on May 16, 2003 in Casablanca, Morocco. 45 people were killed as a result of these attacks (12 suicide-bombers and 33 victims).
  • The 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing occurred on August 5, 2003 in Jakarta, Indonesia. A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the lobby of the JW Marriott Hotel, killing twelve people and injuring 150. Those killed were mostly Indonesian, with the exception of one Dutch.
  • The 2003 Istanbul bombings were four truck bomb attacks carried out on November 15, 2003 and November 20, 2003, in Istanbul, Turkey, leaving 57 people dead, and 700 wounded. Several men have been convicted for their involvement.

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185 comments
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:27:28pm

So the Republicans are finally admitting Bush lied about everything? Good to know.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:31:29pm

And we can see that Carson is fond of revisionist history especially what he creates himself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:31:38pm

In a sane world this would knock him out of contention. To me, it would be downright SCARY to have a President that is THIS fucking oblivious when it comes to foreign policy.

I was a 22 year old college student in ‘03 but even *I* knew back then that Al Qaeda was, and continues to be, a serious threat. Hell, we didn’t even get Bin Laden until 2011! Does Carson Al Qaeda suddenly disappeared after 9/11? Holy hell.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:32:17pm
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b.d.  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:33:53pm

GEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE!

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:34:01pm

Conservatives took their stupid pills today:

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:35:23pm

re: #6 Lidane

Now we understand why The Wall Street Journal has an oversight board. /half

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:35:46pm

re: #6 Lidane

“Were you hospitable to strangers?”
“Well, some of them…”
“OUT!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:36:11pm

Sure Ben. AQ was no threat in 2003.

nbcnews.com

—May 12, 2003

Suicide bombers in vehicles shoot their way into housing compounds for expatriates in Saudi capital of Riyadh so they can set off bombs. Some 35 people, including nine Americans, are killed. The attacks are a watershed for the Saudi government, which for years had thought al-Qaida would not attack the kingdom. As a result of the attacks, cooperation between the U.S. and Saudi governments grows rapidly.

—May 16, 2003

Suicide bombers using cars or explosive belts set off at least five blasts in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 44 people, including 12 bombers, and wounding about 60. The deaths of 17 bombers in Saudi and 12 in Morocco suggest that al-Qaida is having no trouble recruiting suicide bombers.

—June 7, 2003

A suicide car bomber blows up a bus full of German peacekeepers, killing four and wounding 31 east of Kabul. An Afghan civilian and the bomber are also killed.

—Aug. 5, 2003

A huge truck bomb kills 16 people and wounds 150 as it rips through Marriott Hotel in the Indonesian capital Jakarta. One foreigner, a Dutch businessman, is among the dead.

—Nov. 8, 2003

In an attack reminiscent of al-Qaida’s May attack, suicide bombers backed by gunmen enter a residential compound in Riyadh detonate two car bombs, killing 17, among them 5 children, and wounding 122. The attack uses vehicles disguised to look like police cars. U.S. and Saudi intelligence services had warned of a possible attack in the days before, even thwarting an attack in Mecca.

—Nov. 15, 2003

At least 29 people are killed and scores were injured in near simultaneous explosions at two Istanbul synagogues, the first al-Qaida attack against Muslim Turkey, a NATO member and military ally of Israel. One blast occurs outside the Neve Shalom synagogue in the historic Beyoglu district in the heart of Istanbul. Another goes off close to another synagogue in the nearby neighborhood of Sisli. An small Turkish militant group aligned with Al-Qaida takes responsibility for the attack.

—Nov. 20, 2003

The Istanbul headquarters of London-based bank HSBC and the British consulate in the Turkish city are targeted in similar attacks, with a total of 32 people killed in the twin blasts. The blasts replicate the twin attacks five days earlier against Istanbul synagogues in that both used “drive by bombings,” in which bomb-laden trucks are detonated by suicide bombers as the vehicle moves past the target.

—Dec. 4, 2003

Maj. Gen. Abdelaziz al-Huweirini, the No. 3 official in Saudi Arabia’s Interior Ministry and the kingdom’s top counterterrorism official, is moderately wounded in an attack. Huweirini has worked closely with American officials. It is one of at least three such attacks or assassination attempts on Saudi intelligence service officials in December. No one has been killed in the attacks, which are in retaliation for the stepup in Saudi operations against al-Qaida.

—Dec. 14, 2003

Pakistani President Pervez Musharaff barely escapes death as his presidential motorcade travels over a bridge in Rawalpindi. The president is saved because of a jamming device on his car which scrambles signals on frequencies used to detonate remotely controlled bombs. The bomb detonates 30 seconds after the motorcade passes by. It is estimated to have weighed 1,000 pounds. The sophistication of the attack seems to indicate an “inside job.” Pakistani officials publicly blame al-Qaida for the attack, noting that 10 weeks earlier, Ayman Zawahiri called for Muslims to “topple” Musharraf’s regime.

—Dec. 25, 2003

Two pick-up trucks packed with explosives ram into Pakistani President Musharraf’s cavalcade from opposite sides of the road while he returns from Islamabad to his official residence at Army House in Rawalpindi. Musharraf was not hurt, but three vehicles at the tail end of the convoy are destroyed. Several policemen on security duty are killed and more than fifty others wounded.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:36:57pm

1998 US Embassy bombings in both Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. Near simultaneously.
2000 attack on USS Cole in Port of Aden, Yemen.

Yeah…”…not an existential threat to us…”

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:37:00pm

My daughter posted this on my FB page tonight:

From the Gospel according to Matthew, Chapter 25 (NIV)
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

In the meantime, self-declared Christian and noted war criminal Allen West posted this:

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:37:24pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Boy, I bet Hannity really hammers him with this stuff. What do you think?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:39:26pm
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Teukka  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:39:30pm

Comic relief:
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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:39:43pm

Right now, half of the Republican primary vote is split between Trump and Carson. One of them wants to shut down all mosques and the other says Al Qaeda wasn’t a threat in 2003.

Party of Stupid indeed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:39:45pm
21”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Matthew 7:21-23

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:40:21pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

Boy, I bet Hannity really hammers him with this stuff. What do you think?

I think you should put the meth pipe down.

Nah, it will be a “Rehabilitate A Republican” hour on Fox.

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:40:29pm

Here’s a thought: Most of us probably have way more in common with most of the Syrian refugees than we’ll ever realize.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:40:43pm

The fact is that neither Al Qaeda nor ISIS are actual “existential threats” to the US. These terror groups are never going to destroy America.

Yes, they’ll carry out attacks and kill people, and that’s always horrible.

But “existential threats?”

Nope.

Nazi Germany was an existential threat. Imperial Japan was an existential threat. The Soviet Union was an existential threat. Al Qaeda and ISIS are terror gangs who operate on a comparatively tiny scale.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:43:22pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The fact is that neither Al Qaeda nor ISIS are actual “existential threats” to the US. These terror groups are never going to destroy America.

Yes, they’ll carry out attacks and kill people, and that’s always horrible.

But “existential threats?”

Nope.

Nazi Germany was an existential threat. Imperial Japan was an existential threat. The Soviet Union was an existential threat. Al Qaeda and ISIS are terror gangs who operate on a comparatively tiny scale.

It makes me so sad to see so many people who are willing to give in to terror. To fear. To hatred.

Especially when so many of them claim to love America.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:43:37pm

An RWNJ I know posted this:

True. A-10s wiped out an ISIS oil convoy today, for example.

Yet Obama is doing nothing.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:43:45pm

re: #14 Teukka

Comic relief:
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Video

As a racing fan, especially F1 racing…that was damn funny.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:44:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:45:28pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:45:37pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

And the USS Harry S. Truman strike group is headed over there.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:46:23pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s a thought: Most of us probably have way more in common with most of the Syrian refugees than we’ll ever realize.

I know I have more in common with them than I do with any current Republican politicians.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:49:35pm
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:52:16pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

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P.S. That is one fucked-up, unsat salute.

Amen. My old Sergeant Major would tear him a new one about 8 different ways.

RB

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:52:47pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

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P.S. That is one fucked-up, unsat salute.

What do you expect from a draft dodger?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:54:39pm
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Brian J.  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:55:29pm

re: #30 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Won’t work on Speaker Ryan. How can he go to Hell when he’s already there?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:55:55pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2015 • 5:57:23pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Ask them to say “shibboleth”?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:00:30pm

re: #31 Brian J.

That’s why I took Ryan out of the reply.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:00:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:01:40pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:01:48pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:01:57pm

re: #30 Eric The Fruit Bat

reject the importation of those fleeing the Middle East

Huckabee standing on his head to avoid saying the word “refugee.”

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:02:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:03:48pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

The fact is that neither Al Qaeda nor ISIS are actual “existential threats” to the US. These terror groups are never going to destroy America.

Yes, they’ll carry out attacks and kill people, and that’s always horrible.

But “existential threats?”

Nope.

Nazi Germany was an existential threat. Imperial Japan was an existential threat. The Soviet Union was an existential threat. Al Qaeda and ISIS are terror gangs who operate on a comparatively tiny scale.

I’ve been told that Nazi German and Imperial Japan, or even the USSR with its 10,000 nukes aimed at us was less of an existential threat than MOOOOZLIIIMMZZZZ!!!!!, but always by the same people who think we can kill our way to peace, that all we have to do is kill enough of them and they’ll give up, and we shouldn’t give a shit about collateral damage.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:06:39pm

I really try to keep my FB posts non-political, keep it related to diving, cycling, woodworking and kats. Because of the flood of derp coming across it, I’ve had to make the following post. I thought long and hard before clicking the “Post” button, but enough is enough.

To all my FB friends who seem convinced that President Obama is doing nothing to stop ISIS, I suggest you slow down, take a deep breath and a reality check.
First off, Operation Inherent Resolve has launched over 6000 airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and over 8000 when you add in those by our coalition partners.
Just today A-10s and AC-130s attacked a convoy of over 100 ISIS oil tankers in Syria.
Just a fair warning, anybody that insists on posting obvious falsehoods like “Obama supports ISIS” or that we aren’t and haven’t been actively perusing and attacking Daesh will have their feed looked at with a great deal of skepticism. If you think that Putin and his support of Assad is a good thing, then do yourself a favor and simply remove me from your friends list.
military.com

defense.gov

We’ll see how it all shakes out.

RBS

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:07:39pm

re: #33 Timothy Watson

Ask them to say “shibboleth”?

Is that like making Germans say “Squirrel”?

RBS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:09:09pm

As far as the GOP/Theaheadists go, Ron White put it best:

“Ya can’t fix stupid”

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:11:21pm

Americans have become the guy in Saving Private Ryan who cowers when his comrades need ammo, but stands up at the end to point a gun at the surrendered soldiers.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:12:10pm

re: #41 Reality Based Steve

I unfriended a number of folks on Facebook since Friday. I got a couple of messages today, “Why did you unfriend me?” I’m not answering any of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:14:12pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:15:20pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait for the call to turn away European tourists, too.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:15:26pm

re: #33 Timothy Watson

Ask them to say “shibboleth”?

NO. I will not go down the rabbit hole of Firesign Theatre quotes…..

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:16:32pm

re: #44 Belafon

“UPPAM!”

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:23:23pm

Rachel Maddow is doing a nice long piece on the Belgian terrorist that is on the run and considered to be the mastermind behind the Paris attack.

She is saying the French have been after him since the Charlie Hebdo thing in January, a botched attempt to attack a French church in April and the train terrorist jumped by the three dudes in August.

This guy has been involved in four attacks in Paris in one year. He goes in and out and is never caught. He sure does expose some big issues with fighting terrorists and how easy so many think this all can be destroyed.

Paris attacks: Abdelhamid Abaaoud named as suspected mastermind behind terror attacks in French capital

French investigators say they are hunting a 27-year-old Belgian man suspected of being the mastermind behind Friday night’s attacks in Paris.

Abdelhamid Abaaoud “appears to be the brains behind several planned attacks in Europe”, a source close to the investigation said.

The source said Abaaoud, who is thought to be in Syria, was the investigators’ best lead as the person likely to be behind the killing of at least 129 people in the French capital.

- - CUT - -

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:25:51pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

I unfriended a number of folks on Facebook since Friday. I got a couple of messages today, “Why did you unfriend me?” I’m not answering any of them.

You can unfollow people so they don’t show up on your page, without unfriending them.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:27:15pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:28:16pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

Forget that. Those kinds of people should be unfriended.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:28:36pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:28:40pm

re: #23 Dr. Matt

That’s some Rubio bounce. /

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:30:03pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

Rachel Maddow is doing a nice long piece on the Belgian terrorist that is on the run and considered to be the mastermind behind the Paris attack.

She is saying the French have been after him since the Charlie Hebdo thing in January, a botched attempt to attack a French church in April and the train terrorist jumped by the three dudes in August.

This guy has been involved in four attacks in Paris in one year. He goes in and out and is never caught. He sure does expose some big issues with fighting terrorists and how easy so many think this all can be destroyed.

Paris attacks: Abdelhamid Abaaoud named as suspected mastermind behind terror attacks in French capital

re: #50 ObserverArt

I’m thinking this passport that was found is in no way legit. The pic is probably of some dude with nothing to do with ISIS and it’s being used by several ISIS operatives with similar enough appearance to that guy. Just my take. Sending French/Belgian authorities on a wild goose chase.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:30:38pm

re: #23 Dr. Matt

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And Huckeabee is going “I’m tied with Trump for 5th choice… I’ve got this thing.”

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:31:15pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:31:23pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

Ted Nugent should learn the “Sounds of Silence.”

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:32:27pm

re: #6 Lidane

Who’d he have categorize who makes a good Christian or not? Torquemada?

You can’t talk’em outta anything.

Seriously though, that’s on par with Ben Shapiro, Steve Crowder, and Chucky level derp.

Rupert’s crazy is far more insidious since he’s got the money and the power to spread his noxious beliefs far and wide.

As a naturalized American, you’d think he’d be aware of the Constitution and the 1st Amendment and basic history of the US with how we were founded in large part to escape religious persecution. Now, all the right wants to do is impose their brand of religion on everyone else in direct contravention to the First Amendment (all parts - the free speech, free exercise of religion, and establishment clause provisions).

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:33:07pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Ben Carson would be an existential threat if, God forbid, he were to get elected.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:34:58pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Rupert’s crazy is far more insidious since he’s got the money and the power to spread his noxious beliefs far and wide.

We can only hope that old coot will vapor lock soon. Whether the youngins are running the outfit on a day-to-day basis right now, I have no idea.

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Lancelot Link  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:35:06pm

Well, at least here in my California suburb we are awaiting new Syrian restaurants to go with our local Jordanian, Iranian and Afghanistani restaurants.

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Great White Snark  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:36:29pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

Ted Nugent should learn the “Sounds of Silence.”

Heh.
Video

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:38:03pm

re: #60 lawhawk

re: #62 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Wall Street Journal has an oversight board for this reason. I still say that the muckraker Murdoch should give back the paper to the Bancroft family.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:38:07pm

re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus

I’m thinking this passport that was found is in no way legit. The pic is probably of some dude with nothing to do with ISIS and it’s being used by several ISIS operatives with similar enough appearance to that guy. Just my take. Sending French/Belgian authorities on a wild goose chase.

She and Richard Engle both reported this guy is one guy. The French apparently have been following him for some time. They sure do make it all seem legit that he is the guy.

I guess we will find out sooner or later.

EDIT TO ADD. Abdelhamid Abaaoud is not the guy on the passport. The passport was Ahmad alMohammad and they are doing some record and fingerprint work on him to see if he was the bomber associated with the passport.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:39:05pm

Sarah Palin has a new book? Pop-up or coloring?

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Great White Snark  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:40:08pm

The infuriating advantage the bigots have is how we are wired. Wired to accept fear over the removal or lack of it. Evolution in more primitive days made that smart mostly. Now it’s a disadvantage. Holocaust sized disadvantage. Without common fear, holocausts don;t ever happen. Not once. It takes fear to fire the hate to violence.

Brain stem outvotes fore-brain. It’s a killer.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:40:27pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

It is a word salad. That may qualify as a cook book.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:41:26pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Sarah Palin has a new book? Pop-up or coloring?

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It’s her own version of favorite Bible verses.
Like how Jesus supports the second amendment and crap like that.

/not kidding

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Great White Snark  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:41:49pm

David Miliband: Syrian Refugees Are Not a Threat

Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:42:50pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

In late 2001, early 2002, it was easy to think that they were, particularly as the ruins in Lower Manhattan were still smoldering. And that the terror group was thwarted on other terror plots to carry out similar large scale attacks, but a decade later, the group is a shell of its former self, in significant part due to UAV strikes taking out key AQ personnel. And targeted attacks against the top leaders.

But as with many things in life, the threats change and morph. Now, it’s ISIL (or Daesh if you prefer, because I wont associate ISIS with this terror group, instead consigning it to Sterling Archer’s fictional spy group). And they remain very much a regional threat, even as they managed to carry off a single attack outside of the Middle East.

It’s a group that will attempt to claim that every terror attack outside its direct sphere of influence is one it takes credit for. Not unlike AQ - even if the link is tenuous at best. Lone wolves are a considerable concern, but terrorism is still less of a threat than getting killed by a drunk driver in the US.

At the same time, the prudent thing is to remain vigilant, but not to recede to the security theater that came to dominate much of the 2000s (and still remains). It means still using various intel gathering methods at our disposal (including those that Snowden didn’t manage to compromise). But it also means not violating the civil rights of Muslims just because the right wing is in a tizzy and in a rights-depriving mood (again). It also means not lashing out and dropping bombs for the sake of showing that we can - we have to make sure we’re going after the right groups, the right people, and depriving them of space in which to operate.

It means rolling back up the rat lines they’ve used in Syria and Iraq, and continuing to hit them. Which the US has been doing for months - not like the right wing bothers with such facts.

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:43:35pm

A wingnut friend last night said to me “Hey lookie here. Obama released five terrorists.” My first thought was that they were probably held without charge for who knows how long, and Obama was only following what Bush had done. Turns out I was right. But my question is that since they weren’t “released” they were transferred to the UAE, so what do they do with them?

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:44:19pm

re: #72 lawhawk

Thank you.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:45:17pm

re: #63 Lancelot Link

Well, at least here in my California suburb we are awaiting new Syrian restaurants to go with our local Jordanian, Iranian and Afghanistani restaurants.

it’s so hard to find a liechtenstein restaurant these days

i mean, where do you go to get good hafalaab or torkarebl?

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:48:18pm

re: #73 Kid A

These transfers began under GWB - some ended up being released after a period of time by the country to which they were sent, while others remain in custody in some form.

There’s an ongoing concern of recidivism as a significant percentage have gone on to rejoin terror activities. About 25% in fact have gone on to engage in activities linked to terrorism, though there’s some evidence that it wasn’t recidivism in all cases as some who were detained were never actually involved in terrorism until after they radicalized there.

Not all of the cases of former detainees joining the fight against U.S. and allied troops might constitute recidivism. News reports have revealed that the original Guantanamo detainee population included individuals who posed no threat to the United States. Some may have been radicalized by their experiences there.

As presented by the DNI, the figures appear to show that the rate of recidivism among detainees has dropped since Obama took office, compared to the rate under former President George W. Bush.

According to a breakdown released with the latest raw figures, 92 of the 532 Guantanamo detainees released before January 22, 2009 - two days after Bush left office - were confirmed to have returned to the battlefield and 70 were suspected of having done so - an aggregate recidivism rate of 30.5 percent.

RECIDIVISM DOWN UNDER OBAMA

By contrast, the new statistics show, only three of the 67 detainees released from Guantanamo since Obama took office are confirmed to have rejoined militants, with another two suspected of having done so - an aggregate recidivism rate of 7.5 percent.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:48:50pm

“I’m telling you people, the Earth revolves around the sun.”

“BURN HIM!”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:49:36pm

Gonna go out on a limb here, but probably not a refugee

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:50:06pm

Uh oh. Richard Engle just said a US Security person told him it would be very hard to get a Syrian terrorist into this country as a refugee and all the process one would have to go through.

He did say it would be easier to come in through the long, hard-to-control border with Canada!!!

I bet Scott Walkers ears will perk up if he gets wind of that. He might go out and see if he can raise some bucks on it and un-suspend his campaign.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:50:41pm

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says state won’t accept Syrian refugees

Joining nearly half the governors in the country, Gov. Scott Walker and other Wisconsin Republicans said Monday they would oppose the settling of Syrian refugees in the state in the wake of last week’s terrorist attacks in France.

“Along with governors across the country, I have deep concerns about (President Barack Obama’s) plan to accept 10,000 or more Syrian refugees, especially given that one of the Paris attackers was reportedly a Syrian refugee. In consultation with our (Wisconsin National Guard) Adjutant General (Donald Dunbar), who also serves as my Homeland Security Advisor, it is clear that the influx of Syrian refugees poses a threat,” Walker said in a statement.

“I am calling upon the president to immediately suspend the program pending a full review of its security and acceptance procedures. The state of Wisconsin will not accept new Syrian refugees.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:51:12pm

HURR HURR WHY DON’T SYRIAN REFUGEES GO TO SAUDI ARABIA!!!1!!!! is like saying during WW2 HURR HURR WHY DON’T JEWS GO TO STALIN’S USSR!!!11!!!

Oh wait, many did. I guess that makes Stalinist USSR better than Saudi Arabia.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:51:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:51:56pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:51:58pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Sarah Palin has a new book? Pop-up or coloring?

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:52:02pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Wingnuts are so predictable. FFS, all my friend had to do was a simple google search and take five minutes to research this “release of terrorists” but that wouldn’t feed the narrative would it? They really are an odd species.

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:52:35pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

I’m going out on a limb and saying he’s a Texas citizen.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:52:53pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

“It is clear that the influx of Syrian refugees poses a threat,” Walker said, shivering in fear at the potential child killers loosed on his state.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:53:22pm

Chuck C. Johnson apparently doesn’t know that one of the people meeting him for drinks in San Francisco tonight is this weirdo: twitter.com

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:53:42pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

Why don’t they go to Turkey? Why don’t they go to Saudi Arabia?

A few good reasons - they’re not out of harm’s way in Turkey and getting to KSA is even tougher for many of them - easier to travel north than south through the desert into KSA.

But again, aren’t we supposed to be better than Turkey or Saudi Arabia? American exceptionalism and all that - though it seems the only thing the right wing excels at is exposing their bigotry and xenophobia.

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:56:01pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

OMG, his timeline. LOLZ

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:56:23pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson apparently doesn’t know that one of the people meeting him for drinks in San Francisco tonight is this weirdo: twitter.com

he seems nice.

RBS

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:56:36pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone better watch him, he might go rogue.

//*∞

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:57:59pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 6:59:46pm

There’s that compassionate conservatism we were told was out there.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:00:17pm

re: #93 jaunte

Yes it is. It is a pity there are not more stories like this one being repeated over the internet.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:01:05pm

Half of our country’s state governments are openly opposing taking any refugees. It’s a national embarrassment. Take note world, and act accordingly.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:01:26pm

I just pointed out to someone that the US population is appx 326 million, and that even if we added 100,000 refugees, it would be exactly the same as adding 10 people to a stadium holding 32,600 people.

Absolutely didn’t make an impression.

/gobsmacked

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:02:50pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:02:54pm

re: #79 ObserverArt

Uh oh. Richard Engle just said a US Security person told him it would be very hard to get a Syrian terrorist into this country as a refugee and all the process one would have to go through.

He did say it would be easier to come in through the long, hard-to-control border with Canada!!!

I bet Scott Walkers ears will perk up if he gets wind of that. He might go out and see if he can raise some bucks on it and un-suspend his campaign.

He’s already got the blueprint for his great Canadian wall!

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:03:36pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:03:47pm

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

Winter is coming.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:03:49pm

Hey I found it!

Earlier today I was commenting there was a guy on Morning Joke that shot down a lot of Joke Scarborough and his round table guests on some of their criticism of Obama and the Dem candidates having a hard time admitting there is a war on Radical Islam, containment, and ignoring ISIS as a threat etc.

I saw the same guy on Rachel tonight. He is Malcolm Wrightson Nance African-American career intelligence officer, combat veteran, author, scholar and media commentator on international terrorism, intelligence, insurgency and torture.

Check out what he had to say. it isn’t the usual take on all this.

Morning Joe-How to stop ISIS-Confront the ideology of their cult with Malcolm Nance

EDIT…Nance is on about 2 minutes into the vid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:06:14pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:07:42pm

Meanwhile, the US has admitted all of 1,800 and change Syrian refugees in 3 years. Yeah, what a tsunami of refugees. Overwhelming.

And this hot take fits the mood/season:

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:07:46pm

Conservatives and American exceptionalism, my skinny white ass.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:08:31pm
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Joe Bacon  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:09:43pm
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:10:46pm

And here’s just the gift for the RWNJ worried about the invading Syrian horde….

Ugly Gun Sweater

Support your 2nd amendment rights while wearing a truly hideous Christmas sweater. Get one for that crazy uncle right now.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:12:34pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:12:53pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Half of our country’s state governments are openly opposing taking any refugees. It’s a national embarrassment. Take note world, and act accordingly.

Kentucky’s governor-elect also came out in opposition, but he doesn’t have any say in it.

kentucky.com

Kentucky privatized its resettlement program 20 years ago, according to Becky Jordan, director of the Kentucky Office of Refugees. Now all of the federal dollars associated with refugee resettlement flow through the Catholic Charities of Louisville, which then distributes the money to four approved aid groups throughout the state.

“(The governor doesn’t) have that kind of leverage, they let go of the program 20 years ago,” Jordan said. “On the other hand I want to know what he has to say, and whatever concerns he has I would address that.”

At the moment, Jordan said she’s getting conflicting signals as Kentucky transitions from a Democratic administration to a Republican one. Beshear described the Syrian refugees on Monday as “victims of terrorism.” He said as long as the refugees pass the background checks, “then Kentucky ought to step up with everybody else and do the Christian thing, and that is to be your brother’s keeper.”

Jordan said refugees are first identified and interviewed by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. They then must clear an array of background checks, a process Jordan said can take up to two years and includes interviews by officials with Homeland Security and the FBI, collecting fingerprints and crosschecking their identities across several databases.

“It’s a much more intense vetting process than individuals who are going up through Europe,” Jordan said. “They all are just trying to come here to settle their families and to have peace and to be able to live without having fear of terrorism.”

Read more here: kentucky.com

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Jenner7  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:14:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:14:14pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:14:36pm

re: #94 lawhawk

New Jersey has taken in all of… wait for it… 75 Syrian refugees (which pathetically puts it in the top 10 of states that have taken in refugees). 32 states have taken in refugees. Doing the math, 18 have not.

And that 75 refugees floods the zone of a state of, let me carry the 0, 8.93 million people.

Did I say pathetic? Yeah, it is.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:14:46pm

Today’s been really fucking depressing. I have actually seen people saying that if we DO take in refugees, we should put them in armed encampments. You know, just until things blow over and we properly vet them all.

I mean, what could go wrong? We’d know where they are, they’d have shelter and food, and they’d be separate from everyone else until we know that they’re not a threat.

I weep for this country. WTF.

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:15:33pm

Fun fact: Every year, more people in America are killed by guns than Syrian refugees.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:16:28pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

I’m back baby!!!

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Kafitrar  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:17:50pm

re: #94 lawhawk

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There’s that compassionate conservatism we were told was out there.

I just sent Governor Christie an email through his official page.

Subject: Regarding Syrian refugees
Dear Governor Christie,
I am embarrassed for you. Shame on you for ignoring people in need.

my name

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:17:57pm

re: #99 Big Beautiful Door

He’s already got the blueprint for his great Canadian wall!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:19:14pm

re: #115 Kid A

Fun fact: Every year, more people in America are killed by guns than Syrian refugees.

I edited it a bit and posted it on my FB.

Fun fact: Every year, more people in America are killed by other Americans with guns than Syrian refugees.

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Great White Snark  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:20:09pm

re: #113 lawhawk

Questions I have for the anti Syrian refugee Governors and their supporters-

How many bad guys have to be in among four million refugees to make it a moral decision to let the rest suffer and perish? How many among our ten thousand?

Is one bad guy enough to let 9,999 men women and children be stuck in Syria being bombed by perhaps five or ten nations and your own tyrant? Tell me that and I’ll have a few words for you as well…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:20:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:21:22pm

re: #37 Eric The Fruit Bat

Is that a correct reference? I’ve checked two different translations and Matthew 25 ends at verse 46 in each.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:22:00pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:23:27pm

re: #110 Big Beautiful Door

I volunteered with Catholic Charities of Louisville many ages ago. It was my first ESL experience. My students included a divorced Korean bride (ex-husband was based at Fort Knox), a former Iranian lawyer and his daughter, four Ethiopians and a handful of Southeast Asians. With the exception of the Korean woman, all had come to the USA from war-torn countries. [She was about 26, so not Korean War era bride.] All of them just wanted a safe place to live, work and raise a family.

CCL are great people. They’ll find places for the Syrians, no doubt.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:24:37pm

Neil Gaiman has been advocating for Syrian refugees since visiting some of the refugee camps last year.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:25:06pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

The Vicious Babushka @viciousbabushka

US didn’t want Jewish refugees fleeing nazis, they might be “Communists” #tcot #UniteBlue #SyrianRefugees

10:12 PM - 16 Nov 2015

Yeah…look where that got us. Bernie Sanders’ family got through and now we got a commie running for President!

mega /

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:26:20pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:26:40pm

re: #115 Kid A

Fun fact: Every year day, more people in America are killed by guns than Syrian refugees.

Edited for accuracy.

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Kid A  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:27:47pm

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

How about every minute instead?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:28:19pm

re: #130 Kid A

That will work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:31:21pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:32:11pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perhaps he should be reminded of that.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:32:13pm

Later folks. Don’t fall into their bullshit. There is a lot of it about.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:33:37pm

re: #128 jaunte

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If the Christian Hell existed, Taft would be burning there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:38:51pm

niterz, lizardz!

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:44:17pm
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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:47:11pm

.re: #94 lawhawk

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There’s that compassionate conservatism we were told was out there.

re: #117 Kafitrar

I just sent Governor Christie an email through his official page.

Wow. Fuck this piece of shit. I’m so embarrassed this guy got elected our governor in two landslides.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:48:24pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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niterz, lizardz!

That cat must’ve been reading the same comments I saw.

Did you know that young male refugees are automatically suspect? They should be off fighting Daesh instead of fleeing for their lives. If they’re “refugees” they’re clearly terrorist plants. No able bodied young man would willingly leave their home behind.

God, this country is filled with assholes.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:49:30pm

re: #137 jaunte

How Christian of him.

///////

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KGxvi  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:51:36pm

I keep trying to figure out something to say, but the only thing that comes to mind is:

Video

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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:52:08pm

re: #138 Mattand

.

Wow. Fuck this piece of shit. I’m so embarrassed this guy got elected our governor in two landslides.

I feel like slapping together a Photoshop with that vicious asshole’s picture above with the “no orphans” quote, with a photo of that poor Syrian child who washed up on the beach with the phrase “Your wish granted, Governor Christie.”

I just can’t bring myself to exploit a photo of a dead toddler like that. Probably why I’ll never make a good Republican/conservative.

I hope our conservative friends out there are making note of this. Fuck your political party.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:52:13pm

Carson also called for increased use of military force against the Islamic State, which has claimed responsibility for the attack in Paris.

“We can’t fight a politically correct war,” Carson said, calling for a no-fly zone in Syria and an increased presence of American military forces.
lasvegassun.com

Dimwit.

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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:53:27pm

re: #142 Mattand

I feel like slapping together a Photoshop with that vicious asshole’s picture above with the “no orphans” quote, with a photo of that poor Syrian child who washed up on the beach with the phrase “Your wish granted, Governor Christie.”

I just can’t bring myself to exploit a photo of a dead toddler like that. Probably why I’ll never make a good Republican/conservative.

I hope our conservative friends out there are making note of this. Fuck your political party.

This is who New Jersey residents wanted to run this state. Twice. Un-fucking-real.

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:54:52pm

Holy crap.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:56:27pm

re: #144 Mattand

This is who New Jersey residents wanted to run this state. Twice. Un-fucking-real.

That was before he ran for POTUS. The last poll I saw, over 60% in NJ were telling Christie to pack it in, and he’s in Jindal territory statewide. If the NJ primary happened tomorrow he’d lose his own state by a huge margin.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:57:36pm

This guy.

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Kryptik  Nov 16, 2015 • 7:59:58pm

re: #145 plansbandc

Jesus fuck. Yeah, because a nation of about 70+ million (around the time of WWII) whose government actually declared war upon us and made allies with others who declared war on us is totally analogous to a religion of 1+ billion with no centralized authority, scattered across worldwide and who tend to be subjected more to the violence of its own extremists than we are.

Fuck sakes you asshole, you really want a fucking holy war, don’t you?

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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:00:11pm

re: #146 Lidane

That was before he ran for POTUS. The last poll I saw, over 60% in NJ were telling Christie to pack it in, and he’s in Jindal territory statewide. If the NJ primary happened tomorrow he’d lose his own state by a huge margin.

I get what you’re saying, but it’s small comfort knowing the leader of my state is telling orphan refugees to fuck off.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:02:57pm

re: #143 jaunte

Uh. Someone tell him ISIS has no planes.

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Kafitrar  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:03:08pm

re: #146 Lidane

That was before he ran for POTUS. The last poll I saw, over 60% in NJ were telling Christie to pack it in, and he’s in Jindal territory statewide. If the NJ primary happened tomorrow he’d lose his own state by a huge margin.

That fear was probably a reason, if not the reason, Christie scheduled a special election for Frank Lautenberg’s Senate seat a mere 3 weeks before the regular election. Cory Booker, the mayor of Newark, probably would have brought more Democratic voters to the polls.

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danarchy  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:04:00pm

re: #120 Belafon

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Weren’t the Tsarnaev’s refugees? Not that that has any bearing on the actual issue of refugees, but I am pretty sure it falsifies the statement in that tweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:04:01pm

re: #145 plansbandc

Yeah I’ve seen that before. It’s funny how people don’t realize how many MORE Nukes are around these days than there were in 1945…

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:04:10pm

re: #150 GlutenFreeJesus

Uh. Someone tell him ISIS has no planes.

I don’t think there is any more space in his MASSIVE FRONTAL LOBES for information.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:04:29pm

I don’t keep up on Jersey politics. Has it been gerrymandered all to hell like other GOP states?

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:04:43pm

re: #149 Mattand

I get what you’re saying, but it’s small comfort knowing the leader of my state is telling orphan refugees to fuck off.

My asshole governor did the same thing.

Republicans really are pandering assholes. They know that governors can’t refuse refugees but they ALSO know the drooling fuckwits in the base don’t know that.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:05:29pm

THIS ASSHOLE:

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KGxvi  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:05:33pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

I wonder how many requests for the deposition transcript the court reporter service is going to get.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:06:07pm

Telling orphan refugees that they are evil and unwanted won’t create future terrorists at all. Nope, no chance that will EVER happen…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:06:34pm

re: #157 Lidane

Is he also proposing a big fucking wall to make it “safe”?

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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:07:33pm

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t keep up on Jersey politics. Has it been gerrymandered all to hell like other GOP states?

Well, let’s put it this way:

My district elected a Democratic Congressman in 2008 for the first time in a century. My town was pretty much the only Democratic leaning town in the district.

The guy got drummed out in the Great Teabag freakout in 2010. After the election, we mysteriously got kicked out of that district, and shunted to another one that leaned Democratic.

I’m sure it was just conincdence.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:08:10pm

Also worth noting that repatriating land in the Middle East is usually such a smooth, simple process. The Donald has sure thought this one through…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:08:53pm

re: #161 Mattand

Sadly this is what I suspected. It really is like cheating to win, isn’t it?

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:08:55pm

re: #157 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Please tell me this that is satire. Otherwise I’m going to have to start pounding 10p nail into my forehead to keep my head from exploding.

RBS

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:09:36pm

re: #152 danarchy

Weren’t the Tsarnaev’s refugees? Not that that has any bearing on the actual issue of refugees, but I am pretty sure it falsifies the statement in that tweet.

No, they weren’t.

Edit: Looking into it.

Edit 2: The history looks like this on the family: In 2002, they came over on a visa and then sought asylum. The family was granted “derivative asylum status” in 2003. In 2007, the family was given legal permanent residence.

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Mattand  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:11:14pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

Sadly this is what I suspected. It really is like cheating to win, isn’t it?

I wish I had saved the link, but the most egregious gerrymandering I know of is Austin, TX. The city is carved up four different ways in order to keep it from voting as unified Democratic block.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:11:22pm

re: #158 KGxvi

I wonder how many requests for the deposition transcript the court reporter service is going to get.

has upChuck posted anything on FB / GotNews about the deportation, or is he actually following what I imagine his lawyers advice to be. (“Keep your damn piehole shut!!!!”)

RBS
edit: Fixed typo

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KGxvi  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:12:00pm

This made me chuckle:

Know your origin story
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danarchy  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:12:38pm

re: #165 Belafon

?

washingtonpost.com

Anzor Tsarnaev and his wife arrived in the United States in early 2002 after gaining refu­gee status. Their two sons and two daughters followed a short time later with an aunt.

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KGxvi  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:14:07pm

re: #167 Reality Based Steve

No idea, I don’t bother with him other than when he comes up in threads here. I was just responding to Charles’ post showing the screen grab from Chuck’s FB feed saying he’ll give details at the bar. I’d ask if any Lizards feel like a recon mission, but I don’t think we have enough change in the couch cushions for hazard pay.

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Jenner7  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:14:11pm

re: #169 danarchy

They were refugees, but they naturalized and grew up in the US. They are/were homegrown terrorists.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:14:57pm

re: #165 Belafon

Younger brother was naturalized and older one had applied for a green card.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:17:23pm

re: #171 Jenner7

Thanks

re: #172 GlutenFreeJesus

Thanks

re: #169 danarchy

Thanks

This will be one of those splitting hair things, because asylum and refugee are two different things as far as immigration is concerned.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:17:57pm

re: #152 danarchy

Weren’t the Tsarnaev’s refugees? Not that that has any bearing on the actual issue of refugees, but I am pretty sure it falsifies the statement in that tweet.

The boy’s parents got asylum and then brought the kids.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:19:28pm

re: #166 Mattand

I wish I had saved the link, but the most egregious gerrymandering I know of is Austin, TX. The city is carved up four different ways in order to keep it from voting as unified Democratic block.

Here’s the link

DAMN, that’s some creative districting…

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:19:31pm

re: #157 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

‘A Big Beautiful Safe Zone’

So… a prison.

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KGxvi  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:19:39pm

Ballast Point brewery is being sold for a billion dollars. That seems like a lot for that label. Buyer is Constellation Brands, who own, among other things Corona, Pacifico, Modelo, Black Velvet, and Svedka Vodka.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:21:42pm

re: #165 Belafon

No, they weren’t.

Edit: Looking into it.

Someone posted earlier today that their parents were refugees, and they were later brought to the US under some sort of expansion of the rules.

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Lidane  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:25:19pm

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

Is he also proposing a big fucking wall to make it “safe”?

Shit, he’s probably going to get Syria to pay for it. You know, because Assad would go for that.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:27:28pm

re: #176 makeitstop

So… a prison.

And how many guards boots will have to be on the ground to keep it “safe”.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2015 • 8:31:52pm

Not that he’ll see it or give a f**k if he does, but I sent Governor Walker the following email titled “Syrian Refugees”

As a Christian, I am deeply disappointed in your hypocrisy. The bible teaches us, repeatedly, to care for those who are in need and who are the strangers in our lands - Exodus 22:21 and Leviticus 19:34 spring immediately to mind.

But far more simply straight from our own Lord and Savior’s lips are the teachings of Matthew 25;31-46. You have decided that you wish to be sorted with the Goats. So be it. But those of us who truly follow the Way of Jesus will continue to try to do better than that.

May God have mercy upon you for your choice to aid and abet the Enemy today.

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Teukka  Nov 16, 2015 • 9:27:02pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Hey I found it!

Earlier today I was commenting there was a guy on Morning Joke that shot down a lot of Joke Scarborough and his round table guests on some of their criticism of Obama and the Dem candidates having a hard time admitting there is a war on Radical Islam, containment, and ignoring ISIS as a threat etc.

I saw the same guy on Rachel tonight. He is Malcolm Wrightson Nance African-American career intelligence officer, combat veteran, author, scholar and media commentator on international terrorism, intelligence, insurgency and torture.

Check out what he had to say. it isn’t the usual take on all this.

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EDIT…Nance is on about 2 minutes into the vid.

I cannot upding this enough.

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Alephnaught  Nov 17, 2015 • 2:50:05am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #124 jaunte

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Yeah, I saw that in the newspaper stands today. Quite a contrast from, say, the Daily Mail front cover from a couple of days ago.

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 17, 2015 • 3:01:37am

re: #181 William Lewis

Not that he’ll see it or give a f**k if he does, but I sent Governor Walker the following email titled “Syrian Refugees”

Not religious at all, but updinged for excellent use of references and good thoughts, oh, and shoving his face in the hypocrisy.

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nkdee  Nov 18, 2015 • 3:48:11am

What? He actually said “global jihad movement,”! This must be a liberal media trick! Don’t all GOTPs INSIST that they be called “Muslim/Islamic terrorists”? I’m waiting for all other GOTP candidates to call Carson a sympathizer and America-hater!


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