Video: Trump Insists He Saw Arabs Cheering in New Jersey on 9/11, Says He’ll Bring Back Waterboarding

Breitbart commenters want waterboarding on pay per view
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Yes, it’s another post about Donald Trump, because he’s kicking his dishonest xenophobia into overdrive now.

In 2015 America, this is where right wing politics has ended up: in complete denial of reality and vicious endorsement of violence and torture.

Here’s Donald Trump on ABC News, insisting that he saw “Arabs” cheering the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey despite a total lack of evidence for the claim. The Mayor of Jersey City responded today:

In response, Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop said Trump “has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth, either of which should be concerning for the Republican Party.”

“Trump is plain wrong, and he is shamefully politicizing an emotionally charged issue. No one in Jersey City cheered on September 11th,” Fulop said. “We were actually among the first to provide responders to help in lower Manhattan. Trump needs to understand that Jersey City will not be part of his hate campaign.”

In this same interview, Trump also said if he’s elected president, he’d bring back torture. Because of course he would.

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At Breitbart “News,” commenters love this idea. In fact, more than a few also want to waterboard their political enemies. And they want to watch.

I’d like to suggest waterboarding lefty media propagandists. Not for interrogation purposes but just because.

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I wonder if he will make it Pay Per View waterboarding? I’d pay!

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You want real torture? Try the ISIS method of finger removal.

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Good for Trump. When you look at the different types of torture used by our enemies, waterboarding is really like nerf torture.

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And folks question why Trump is far ahead and climbing in the polls…..he exudes strength, conviction and most of all leadership. Trump will soon leave the rest of the field in the dust.

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I’m all for it but please hurry and pass the law that it must be pay per view….. I’ll start saving my pennies now!

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I think we need to water-board Hillary and find out where her server is

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261 comments
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:39:56pm

They deserve a roughing up…jeez.

Trump does not understand that you have to call out and distance yourself from such behavior or it will only spread.

But then again, the GOP failed to do so with the Tea Party.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:40:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:41:00pm

Let me guess: Someone is alleging Obama is suppressing the video?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:41:49pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: Someone is alleging Obama is suppressing the video?

Because Obama is seen in it leading the cheers!

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:42:22pm

I suggested a couple of threads ago that Trump may be creatively remembering the “5 cheering Israelis” story. It happened in NJ and in some reported the men were identified as Arabs.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:42:24pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:43:02pm

I’m personally of the opinion that, before you can claim waterboarding is not torture, you have to actually undergo it. No set time period, no safe word, just keep going until we’re satisfied that you’ve suffered enough. Not that I think it would change too many minds, as most who seem to support it just like the idea of torturing terrorists, but it might change enough minds that we could finally slam the book shut on the BS talking point.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:43:15pm

The Wingularity is complete: a leading candidate for POTUS is repeating conspiracy rumors from the cesspools of the right wing fever swamps.

Even worse, there’s little pushback on this.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:43:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:43:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:43:56pm

It’s just like I said on the last thread: Donald Trump is a big fucking bully. In a sane world, hardly anyone would give a shit about what he says but since there are so many other bully-types in the GOP these days, they get drawn to him like moths to a flame.

Beating up black protesters = Bullying
Threatening to deport all Latinos = Bullying
Threatening to shut down Mosques = Bullying
Making up shit that’s not true to reinforce your hatred of someone = Bullying
Dehumanizing those who are different from you = Bullying

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:44:21pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: Someone is alleging Obama is suppressing the video?

Erased it. Copied over footage of the raid on Osama Bin Laden.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:44:24pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I’m personally of the opinion that, before you can claim waterboarding is not torture, you have to actually undergo it. No set time period, no safe word, just keep going until we’re satisfied that you’ve suffered enough. Not that I think it would change too many minds, as most who seem to support it just like the idea of torturing terrorists, but it might change enough minds that we could finally slam the book shut on the BS talking point.

Paging Sean Hannity.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:45:11pm

re: #9 jaunte

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Not only did he help railroad them into prison, when they were finally released and paid for their suffering, Trump roared that the “they were no angels” BS before declaring that the city had every reason to suspect they were the guilty parties.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:46:18pm

Never Forget. This behavior is not new for Trump.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:46:18pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s just like I said on the last thread: Donald Trump is a big fucking bully. In a sane world, hardly anyone would give a shit about what he says but since there are so many other bully-types in the GOP these days, they get drawn to him like moths to a flame.

Beating up black protesters = Bullying
Threatening to deport all Latinos = Bullying
Threatening to shut down Mosques = Bullying
Making up shit that’s not true to reinforce your hatred of someone = Bullying
Dehumanizing those who are different from you = Bullying

And like a lot of us throught when Christie was the golden boy of the party, the base loves Trump because they love bullies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:46:25pm

I mean seriously, courtesy of dictionary.com:

The prosecution rests.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:47:10pm

Is Trump the only candidate who can phone in his “interviews”? What a total disgrace the US media is.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:48:39pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:48:43pm

Trump is only giving conservatives what they want.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:49:33pm

re: #20 Amory Blaine

Trump is only giving conservatives what they want.

and the networks are giving Trump what he wants. a win-win situation…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:50:00pm

I’d like to think Trump is getting a pass on all his bullshit, because everyone is saving it for the general election. And I’d also like to be a billionaire.

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Mattand  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:50:57pm

In my fantasy world, Trump gets the GOP POTUS nom and our precious idiot independent voters* look at everything he’s said and go “My God, what’s wrong with America that this guy got this far”, and Hillary Clinton gets elected in a landslide.

In the real world, Trump gets elected president because our precious idiot independent voters go “Forget about how unemployment sank and the stock market surged when a Democrat was in office; I think I saw a Muslim under my daughter’s bed!” and vote for him.

* I’ve mentioned this before, but the reason I’m so down on the concept of the independent American voter is because they consistently support Republican candidates, despite the damage they do when the GOP has the White House; and the inability of an independent to look at the horror show that party had degenerated into.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:51:33pm

And if you should think that waterboarding is wrong…

STEPHANOPOULOS: And I do want to get your response to some of the things we’ve talked about with Donald Trump on how to respond to ISIS. Number one, he said we should bring back those enhanced interrogation techniques, which President Obama discontinued like waterboarding. Do you agree?

CARSON: I agree that there’s no such thing as political correctness when you’re fighting an enemy who wants to destroy you and everything that you have anything to do with. And I’m not one who is real big on telling the enemy what we’re going to do and what we’re not going to do.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you would do that even though many consider waterboarding torture?

CARSON: As I said, I’m not real big on telling them what we would or would not do. I just don’t think that’s a — I don’t see where that accomplishes anything for us.

This shit is straight out of a wingnut echo chamber. Go to any you wish to name and they’ll declare that using anything less than Gestapo tactics is “political correctness” and saying we won’t do it is advertising to the enemy that we’re “weak.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:51:39pm

re: #22 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d like to think Trump is getting a pass on all his bullshit, because everyone is saving it for the general election. And I’d also like to be a billionaire.

remember again: CNN makes its income from selling advertising time. more viewers means they can demand higher rates. trump is good for ratings. thus the circle of jerks continues to spiral downward

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:52:02pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:53:04pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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hey, he’s just asking questions here…starting to smell like a cover-up

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:53:38pm

Just for the record, Donald Trump retweets a racist who cites a “Crime Statistics Bureau” that does not exist.

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Mattand  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:53:43pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I have to go Google this. It’s not ringing any bells.

Also, I get the feeling your soon-to-be-blocked Twitter chum would ignore any evidence thrown its way.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:55:05pm

re: #15 blueraven

Never Forget. This behavior is not new for Trump.

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85,000 dollar Trump ad 1989: Central Park 5
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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:55:43pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Just for the record, Donald Trump retweets a racist who cites a “Crime Statistics Bureau” that does not exist.

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It’s part of the CC Johnson media empire.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:56:20pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:56:44pm

Giving interviews in his golden palace while telling working people they’re overpaid is contempt for even his own base.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 12:59:28pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:01:48pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:02:25pm

It’s been 14 years since the 9/11 attacks, and no one has seen this video. Amazing.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:02:39pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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When you have lost Max Boot…!

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:04:15pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I thought you said earlier, when we discussed this, that we simply don’t know. What made you change your opinion? The fact that a crucial detail of what she had reported was confirmed (nurse conference at the time when Bill was nearby), as well as the fact that she told about the alleged rape to 4 or 5 people (I’m writing from memory here) shortly after it allegedly had happened do not prove her story, but make it less easily dismissable.

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Kryptik  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:08:09pm

Literal fascism on our news, on our TVs, on our intertubes…and a vast majority of America seems to be fucking eating it up. Seems like most of this country has just been begging for a reason to let the freak flag fly, and they’re rising up to take the country back from the other, and unlike what we previously thought in the worst case, they really DO seem to be the real majority of this country.

And any attempt to fight back seems to turn you into the biggest SJW Feminst Racial Fascist in the history of the fucking eternity. How the hell do you appeal to the better angels of people when all it gets you is labeled as the the Great Fucking Satan yourself?

EDIT: And apologies for sounding like the biggest pessimistic broken record ever, but holy shit, if there was a time for catharsis, it feels like the time is now.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:10:27pm

Makes me wish Facebook was never opened to the public.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:12:52pm

The replies to this tweet are pretty much what you would expect

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:13:22pm

re: #39 Kryptik

And the media don’t seem to understand that shit got real.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:17:31pm

re: #38 Nyet

I thought you said earlier, when we discussed this, that we simply don’t know. What made you change your opinion? The fact that a crucial detail of what she had reported was confirmed (nurse conference at the time when Bill was nearby), as well as the fact that she told about the alleged rape to 4 or 5 people (I’m writing from memory here) shortly after it allegedly had happened do not prove her story, but make it less easily dismissable.

The oddest thing to me is that she attended a Clinton fundraiser several weeks after the alleged rape.

I can’t imagine that. Doesn’t prove anything, it just always struck me as very “iffy”.

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Kryptik  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:18:28pm

re: #42 Nyet

Or maybe they do and they’re just going to where the people and the money are going. It’s not as if most television journalism these days is actual journalism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:20:57pm

DIM JIM TO TRUMP’S RESCUE!!!!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:21:06pm

The really nice thing about young racists is that they have no idea how badly they’re fucking over their own futures by simply being unable to contain their ignorant bullshit online.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:21:26pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

Giving interviews in his golden palace while telling working people they’re overpaid is contempt for even his own base.

Not exactly. You seen when the GOP rag on “working people”, they aren’t talking about white collar types, they’re talking about latino housekeepers at hotels and black people making minimum wage to flip burgers and the guys who stock the shelves at Wal-Mart and the Indian guys who run convenience stores and gas stations, etc, etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:21:59pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

He is such an ass kissing apologist. Him and Ben Shapiro.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:24:53pm

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

He is such an ass kissing apologist. Him and Ben Shapiro.

They haven’t met right wing authoritarianism they haven’t liked.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:27:16pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

DIM JIM TO TRUMP’S RESCUE!!!!!!!

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Hoft’s source: an anonymous Donald Trump supporter. Totally credible.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:27:50pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Hoft’s source: an anonymous Donald Trump supporter. Totally credible.

And not biased.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:27:56pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Hoft’s source: an anonymous Donald Trump supporter. Totally credible.

It is to someone who desperately wants to believe.

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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:28:31pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

The really nice thing about young racists is that they have no idea how badly they’re fucking over their own futures by simply being unable to contain their ignorant bullshit online.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:29:27pm

re: #53 Tigger2

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Holy fuck.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:30:21pm

re: #43 blueraven

Rape victims do not always act rationally in the aftermath and she did address this point saying she was in denial. Dunno guys, think what you want, but unless this kind of evidence is thoroughly addressed, I will remain agnostic.

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rodgers. Rodgers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed “in a state of shock,” her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit.[3] Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had “forced himself on her.”[3] Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room.[2]

Broaddrick says she did not tell her then-husband, Gary Hickey, about the incident, and told him she accidentally injured her lip. He told NBC he did not remember the injury or her excuse.[2][4]

She was having an affair with her eventual second husband, David Broaddrick, at the time. He says he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it.[2] Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers’ sister.[2]

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:30:33pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:30:35pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Just for the record, Donald Trump retweets a racist who cites a “Crime Statistics Bureau” that does not exist.

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:30:51pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

Erased it. Copied over footage of the raid on Osama Bin Laden.

It’s in the files along with Michelle’s “whitey” tape…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:30:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:31:35pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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Typical right winger.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:31:48pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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Typical right-wing approach. It never happened, but he totally deserved it!

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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:31:49pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Holy fuck.

He is sure one ignorant kid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:32:58pm

re: #62 Tigger2

He is sure one ignorant kid.

Yeah Jesus. What the fuck are some kids being taught?

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A Mom Anon  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:33:16pm

re: #62 Tigger2

Most likely spent a life marinating in it. Hate is learned.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:33:21pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Hoft’s source: an anonymous Donald Trump supporter. Totally credible.

“sources familiar with the matter…”

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:33:49pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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It didn’t happen, but if it did happen then the guy totally deserved it, so sayeth The Donald.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:34:14pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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Trumplerjugend

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:34:55pm

re: #55 Nyet

Rape victims do not always act rationally in the aftermath and she did address this point saying she was in denial. Dunno guys, think what you want, but unless this kind of evidence is thoroughly addressed, I will remain agnostic.

Unimpeachable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:35:27pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

It didn’t happen, but if it did happen then the guy totally deserved it, so sayeth The Donald.

That’s so typical of the right wing mindset. “we’re not violent assholes but hey we’re okay with that.”

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No Depression  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:35:47pm

re: #53 Tigger2

I’m really glad that I’ve never been much of Twitter user. I very well could’ve tweeted dumb bullshit like that when I was in high school.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:36:11pm

Only surprising thing is I don’t see a confederate flag.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:36:11pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

And if you should think that waterboarding is wrong…

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This shit is straight out of a wingnut echo chamber. Go to any you wish to name and they’ll declare that using anything less than Gestapo tactics is “political correctness” and saying we won’t do it is advertising to the enemy that we’re “weak.”

Always blaming PC. So fucking lame.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:36:39pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

Only surprising thing is I don’t see a confederate flag.

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Fascist fucks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:37:01pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

He’s got a ton of anti-semitic shit on his timeline too.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:37:28pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

Only surprising thing is I don’t see a confederate flag.

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Now imagine the exact reverse situation, a bunch of armed Muslim men marching against “Christianization” outside a church. The head of every wingnut from here to Juno would explode.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:37:46pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s got a ton of anti-semitic shit on his timeline too.

Not surprised at all there.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:37:57pm
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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:38:04pm

re: #53 Tigger2

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Was editing the tweet because of the 140 limit and messed it up, redid the tweet but couldn’t my comment. haha

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:38:05pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Now imagine the exact reverse situation, a bunch of armed Muslim men marching against “Christianization” outside a church. The head of every wingnut from here to Juno would explode.

No kidding.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:38:55pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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Man what a bunch of fucking assholes.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:39:25pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

That’s because they are entitled shitheads who thoroughly revel in their Christian privilege.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:39:40pm
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:40:08pm

re: #64 A Mom Anon

And now he’s addicted to it.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:40:09pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Man what a bunch of fucking assholes.

It appears that racists tend to be assholes. Some are just more polite than others, but under the white hood, all are ugly.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:41:12pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

Once again my first thought is, “Nice of them to bunch up like that.”

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No Depression  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:41:17pm

It’s almost as if these idiots don’t realize that there were people living in America long before the USA was a thing. Then again they weren’t white, so I guess they don’t matter…

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A Mom Anon  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:41:21pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

The reverse situation would end with a bunch of white boys proclaiming their blessing by Jesus to open fire on the evil Muslims. That’s precisely what would end up happening.

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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:41:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:41:33pm

re: #84 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

It appears that racists tend to be assholes. Some are just more polite than others, but under the white hood, all are ugly.

Mmmm hmmm.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:42:36pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:42:39pm

re: #88 Tigger2

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Yeah because Apartheid and Smith era Rhodesia were beacons of freedom.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:44:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:44:46pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Scratch w conservative, find a racist.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:44:57pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Well, if you ask the father of the modern American conservatism, one William Buckley…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:46:13pm

re: #94 Nyet

Well, if you ask the father of the modern American conservatism, one William Buckley…

Ha yep. So true. And he loved him some Jim Crow too. Buckley was a racist dick.

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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:47:27pm

re: #88 Tigger2

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I really need to start proofreading my tweets.

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No Depression  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:48:10pm

re: #88 Tigger2

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Looked at his timeline and wow what a racist, fascist little fuck. Even in my conservative phase I wasn’t nearly that bad. There’s a part of me that sincerely hopes this shit prevents him from landing a decent job.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:48:17pm

But remember, Democrats are the real racists.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:48:31pm

re: #55 Nyet

Rape victims do not always act rationally in the aftermath and she did address this point saying she was in denial. Dunno guys, think what you want, but unless this kind of evidence is thoroughly addressed, I will remain agnostic.

I certainly am not an expert on this whole case but in this bit:

She was having an affair with her eventual second husband, David Broaddrick, at the time. He says he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it.[2] Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers’ sister.[2]

Having an affair going on at the time with her eventual husband raises some questions too. Was the Clinton rape a whopper story to get everyone to buy in she wasn’t having this affair and as an as needed cover up to her husband about the real affair with future hubby which could have been furthered by the friends? The real affair (new hubby) probably couldn’t say anything at all at the time as to reveal himself in the picture, so he was fine with the whole story.

Just tossing that in from a quick drive by view. There have been screwier relationships based on lies.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:48:39pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

When I was reading elsewhere about this it occurred to me how badly this was going to end up, and history being what it is I was sure that similar things had happened before in America. So I did a little web searching.

Sure enough, I found something in very similar circumstances to today.

Bloody Monday in Louisville

Plus ca change and all that.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:49:36pm

re: #55 Nyet

Rape victims do not always act rationally in the aftermath and she did address this point saying she was in denial. Dunno guys, think what you want, but unless this kind of evidence is thoroughly addressed, I will remain agnostic.

She also submitted an affidavit under oath in the Paula Jones lawsuit stating that no such incident involving Clinton occurred. So there is a lot of discrepancy in her story. I don’t know what happened, but a married woman who was having an affair at the time who cant remember the date the rape allegedly occurred, makes me question her story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:49:39pm

re: #71 Ace-o-aces

Only surprising thing is I don’t see a confederate flag.

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but there’s a Cruz campaign sign!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:49:56pm

re: #86 No Depression

It’s almost as if these idiots don’t realize that there were people living in America long before the USA was a thing. Then again they weren’t white, so I guess they don’t matter…

Using De Soto’s 1539 expedition as a starting point, the United States (1789) still doesn’t span half the history of even white men in the current USA,

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:50:21pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:51:14pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Armed protesters gather outside Islamic Center of Irving:

“Armed protestors” is the politically correct term for terrorists.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:51:39pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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He seems nice.

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:51:49pm
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A Mom Anon  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:51:57pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I’m blaming the lead up to this more than Trump. Trump is the symptom. This is what you get when you have a political party who refuses to call out this shit and stomp it down and marginalize it before we got here. Look at the shit elected officials have said on the floor of the House and Senate and in State governments all over the country. The town halls where they let tea party assholes scream and drown out any one else. OVER HEALTH CARE FFS. The GOP made this monster and they need to STFU about stopping it now. The damage is being done right now and it’s their fucking fault.

And then we have a media who just basically pokes and prods this shit along for ratings and clickbait. They are no longer informing the public, they are complicit in lying to the American people.

Trump is what you end up with when evil shit isn’t marginalized when it rears it’s ugly head. Sure, this shit has ALWAYS been there, just waiting for the chance to make a comeback, but it can’t do that without assistance. And there’s a political party and more than one media outlet that are directly responsible for this mess.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:52:08pm

re: #105 Dr. Matt

“Armed protestors” is the politically correct term for terrorists.

Well said.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:52:32pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

I’m blaming the lead up to this more than Trump. Trump is the symptom. This is what you get when you have a political party who refuses to call out this shit and stomp it down and marginalize it before we got here. Look at the shit elected officials have said on the floor of the House and Senate and in State governments all over the country. The town halls where they let tea party assholes scream and drown out any one else. OVER HEALTH CARE FFS. The GOP made this monster and they need to STFU about stopping it now. The damage is being done right now and it’s their fucking fault.

And then we have a media who just basically pokes and prods this shit along for ratings and clickbait. They are no longer informing the public, they are complicit in lying to the American people.

Trump is what you end up with when evil shit isn’t marginalized when it rears it’s ugly head. Sure, this shit has ALWAYS been there, just waiting for the chance to make a comeback, but it can’t do that without assistance. And there’s a political party and more than one media outlet that are directly responsible for this mess.

Absolutely.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:53:15pm

He’d have a gun

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:54:37pm

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

He’d have a gun

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And if he were so much as arrested, they’d cry about his rights being violated.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:57:11pm

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

Don’t gotta imagine…

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:57:22pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

This wouldn’t explain the Rodgers testimony, but that’s beside the point. In fact any hypothetical one might proffer would be beside the point, because the question is not what happened - this we will never know unless one party or the other makes a confession - but rather whether her story has been debunked. Offering a purely hypothetical scenario, however plausible, does not amount to a debunking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:58:56pm

Ok, all. I am attempting to get into Twitter again. Feel free to follow me if you want…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 1:59:43pm

re: #113 Ace-o-aces

Don’t gotta imagine…

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What was that sign the protester was holding up?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:00:35pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

Trump is the symptom.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

YOU WIN.

If Trump crumbles like a Wheatbix tomorrow, his rhetoric and his supporters will simply migrate…and we’re already watching other candidates echo El Combover.

To say nothing of Ted Cruz, who might as well be a Trump/Carson hybrid from the get-go.

PS - No seriously, you’re great, and for a lot whole of reasons. Sorry things have been going so rough.

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:07:24pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

I’d wager on this:

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Tigger2  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:08:40pm

re: #70 No Depression

I’m really glad that I’ve never been much of Twitter user. I very well could’ve tweeted dumb bullshit like that when I was in high school.

I would have always been to busy at that age trying to get some beer to tweet if it was around. lol

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:09:19pm

re: #101 blueraven

The affidavit doesn’t play any role given the testimonies of the people whom she told the story long before. Her explanation for the affidavit makes sense afaic. People don’t have to remember the exact dates, but she did tie it to a nursing conference and it checked out.

Moreover the question is not whether she should be questioned or not - of course she should be, like any accuser. The question is whether her story can be debunked with good probability. My answer for myself: not to my knowledge.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:12:04pm

re: #120 Nyet

The affidavit doesn’t play any role given the testimonies of the people whom she told the story long before. Her explanation for the affidavit makes sense afaic. People don’t have to remember the exact dates, but she did tie it to a nursing conference and it checked out.

Moreover the question is not whether she should be questioned or not - of course she should be, like any accuser. The question is whether her story can be debunked with good probability. My answer for myself: not to my knowledge.

“What difference - at this point, what difference does it make?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:13:12pm

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

What was that sign the protester was holding up?

Not sure exactly. I couldn’t find a good quality image. But I took the best one I could find and blew it up a little bit. Hard to make out the pictures on it but I think the writing is a foreign language.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:14:13pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Not sure exactly. I couldn’t find a good quality image. But I took the best one I could find and blew it up a little bit. Hard to make out the pictures on it but I think the writing is a foreign language.

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Invert the image.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:16:12pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Not sure exactly. I couldn’t find a good quality image. But I took the best one I could find and blew it up a little bit. Hard to make out the pictures on it but I think the writing is a foreign language.

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Looks like an anti-choice dead fetus babby sign

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:16:38pm

Holding it upside down.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:17:17pm

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

Holding it upside down.

Good demonstrators are hard to find.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:18:14pm

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like an anti-choice dead fetus babby sign

The top line is still hard to read, but the bottom reads, “Should never be a constitutional right.”

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:19:11pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Now that I look at it closely, I believe the complete saying is:

The moral wrong should never be a constitutional right

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:19:30pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

The top line is still hard to read, but the bottom reads, “Should never be a constitutional right.”

Top line: “THIS MORAL WRONG”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:20:27pm

Speaking of Crazy White People

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:21:27pm

re: #128 thedopefishlives

Now that I look at it closely, I believe the complete saying is:

Heckler had just one job…

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:21:35pm

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of Crazy White People

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“White people be crazy.”

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:21:47pm

The fetus babby screamers are the wurst.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:23:15pm

re: #114 Nyet

This wouldn’t explain the Rodgers testimony, but that’s beside the point. In fact any hypothetical one might proffer would be beside the point, because the question is not what happened - this we will never know unless one party or the other makes a confession - but rather whether her story has been debunked. Offering a purely hypothetical scenario, however plausible, does not amount to a debunking.

Never intended my comment as a debunking. Only point I was making is the whole scenario with her in another affair opens the door to the doubts that often cloud the real facts. Any doubt tends to muck up rape cases and that could have caused her reluctance to press it. We see it all the damn time.

It seems tougher to prove a rape case than a capital murder…even with a living victim/witness.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:23:42pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Slight exaggeration, but there’s only so much you can do in 140 characters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:24:57pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Found this image.
There’s Romney/Ryan stickers on that sign.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:27:04pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that explains why it’s upside down. Can’t be all that bright.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:27:20pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Found this image.
There’s Romney/Ryan stickers on that sign.

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Needs a “This Side Up” sticker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:28:16pm

Wait, is Donald hoping for MOAR TERROR ATTACKS!!!!!!!!

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:29:31pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, is Donald hoping for MOAR TERROR ATTACKS!!!!!!!!

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He’s got to stay ahead of Rubio.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:32:35pm
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No Depression  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:33:18pm

Not me, but I thought I’d share:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:33:53pm

didn’t know Jindal was running for governor…LOL!

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:36:16pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

“What difference - at this point, what difference does it make?”

That everyone decides for themselves.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:38:02pm

re: #139 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, is Donald hoping for MOAR TERROR ATTACKS!!!!!!!!

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Trump and ISIS are in a symbiotic relationship.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:39:51pm
Trump All Like This….
And Jeb Bush wakes up and realizes he should have traveled back in time and killed Infant Trump
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:39:58pm

Local PBS station has JFK American Experience on. It is striking how JFK’s religion was used against him and yet he won. There are lessons to be learned here that are needed today.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:42:13pm

re: #146 nines09

Mussolini speaking. Too bad non-Russian-speakers won’t understand what the commentator is saying, it’s hilarious.

Муссолини корчит рожи / Silly face of Benito Mussolini

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:42:54pm

Hey does someone have that IL DOUCE/IL DOUCHE that got posted yesterday? Forgot to save it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:43:44pm

re: #146 nines09

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The conventional wisdom has been that Trump would flame out, but we keep getting closer to actual voting without any signs of Trump weakening. He could sweep from Iowa through Super Tuesday in four weeks and virtually lock up the nomination.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:44:17pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

Here’s the thing. Rape is a difficult thing for us as bystanders to prove or not prove. With the machine in place to mess with Bill Clinton, it’s very hard to believe anything said about him. I mean, look at some of the crazy shit the wingnuts and the Richard Mellon Scaife funded bullshit threw at both him and Hillary. Stuff that persists to this day. Stuff that sane people would never believe. And yet here we are.

On the flip side, having been in that situation, it is really difficult for me to not take anyone who says they’ve been raped seriously. A lot of rape never sees a courtroom because the victim is blamed or not believed. Or the rapist in question comes from “a good family” or is an athlete or a frat boy or the son of a minister, etc, etc. Or, “well, we don’t want to ruin this young man’s life for years to come” and so on and on. Our society has some really fucked up ideas and ways of dealing with rape and shit like this stuff thrown at Clinton doesn’t help at all. I do know this though, dragging that shit out again, after 16 plus years doesn’t help the victim a fucking bit and the people doing it aren’t interested in justice for her. They need to STFU about it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:44:37pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:45:05pm

re: #146 nines09

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I still like mine better.

Fashionable fascists, anyone?
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nines09  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:46:30pm

The past has a habit of showing up in new clothes….

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:47:34pm

re: #153 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I still like mine better.

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I said several weeks ago that if Trump won the GOP nomination, the US would have its first electorally significant fascist party. He just keeps doubling down on the xenophobia because its working.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:47:44pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

The conventional wisdom has been that Trump would flame out, but we keep getting closer to actual voting without any signs of Trump weakening. He could sweep from Iowa through Super Tuesday in four weeks and virtually lock up the nomination.

Conventional wisdom is bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:52:41pm

re: #156 Nyet

Conventional wisdom is bullshit.

My gut tells me you could be correct.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:52:44pm

Be wary if you decide to view #BrusselsLockdown on Twitter
There is the occasional adult “kitty” image

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:52:51pm

Conventional wisdom in 2008 was Hillary wins.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:54:09pm

re: #158 FormerDirtDart

OK, wtf is Nikita Mikhalkov is doing here…
/

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:55:29pm

re: #156 Nyet

That is unfair.

At least some conventional wisdom is chickenshit, not bullshit.

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dholmes32  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:56:12pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I’m personally of the opinion that, before you can claim waterboarding is not torture, you have to actually undergo it. No set time period, no safe word, just keep going until we’re satisfied that you’ve suffered enough. Not that I think it would change too many minds, as most who seem to support it just like the idea of torturing terrorists, but it might change enough minds that we could finally slam the book shut on the BS talking point.

Christopher Hitchens could be, and was, very, very annoying. But he underwent a waterboarding given by people who had trained troops to resist such torture. And he came out of it basically saying, yep, it’s waterboarding.

vanityfair.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:56:57pm

re: #162 dholmes32

Christopher Hitchens could be, and was, very, very annoying. But he underwent a waterboarding given by people who had trained troops to resist such torture. And he came out of it basically saying, yep, it’s waterboarding.

vanityfair.com

(Psst! I think you means ‘yep, it’s torture’)

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:58:04pm

Seen elsewhere, this kid is wiser than any of the idiots in the GOP:

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Ian G.  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:59:02pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only good thing about this is how few of them there were. This is no bigger than a 9/11 truther rally.

Still, I’m really really scared about the level of hysteria in this country. I feel like we’re another terrorist attack away from a Kristallnacht type event against Muslims in this country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2015 • 2:59:52pm

re: #164 William Lewis

Seen elsewhere, this kid is wiser than any of the idiots in the GOP:

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REAL Americans play Mein Kraft Durch Freude!

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:01:14pm

re: #164 William Lewis

Looks like it’s in London:

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:01:41pm

re: #166 Blind Frog Belly White

psst: meine Kraft

:P

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:03:45pm

re: #168 Nyet

psst: meine Kraft

:P

Meine Kraft is the Rammstein song about macaroni and cheese, right?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:05:09pm

re: #165 Ian G.

The only good thing about this is how few of them there were. This is no bigger than a 9/11 truther rally.

Still, I’m really really scared about the level of hysteria in this country. I feel like we’re another terrorist attack away from a Kristallnacht type event against Muslims in this country.

There are a lot of big talkers on the internet, but we won’t see mass violence. What we are likely to see are some shootings, beatings, vandalism and arson, but it will be sporadic.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:05:22pm

re: #23 Mattand

In my fantasy world, Trump gets the GOP POTUS nom and our precious idiot independent voters* look at everything he’s said and go “My God, what’s wrong with America that this guy got this far”, and Hillary Clinton gets elected in a landslide.

In the real world, Trump gets elected president because our precious idiot independent voters go “Forget about how unemployment sank and the stock market surged when a Democrat was in office; I think I saw a Muslim under my daughter’s bed!” and vote for him.

* I’ve mentioned this before, but the reason I’m so down on the concept of the independent American voter is because they consistently support Republican candidates, despite the damage they do when the GOP has the White House; and the inability of an independent to look at the horror show that party had degenerated into.

Rod Dreher claims he is an independent and he is tired of neo-con adventurism…but he always votes for the GOP at the national level because teh faggotz and teh trannies scare him more than dead American soldier coming home in caskets from Syria.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:05:23pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

but there’s a Cruz campaign sign!

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“About a dozen protesters — most carrying long guns, some masked and one with his mother — lined up outside an Irving mosque on Saturday. They had come from as far away as Hunt County to the green-domed complex. To “Stop the Islamization of America,” as the mother’s hand-drawn sign urged”….

Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:05:39pm

re: #168 Nyet

psst: meine Kraft

:P

But that doesn’t work as a pun!

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:05:42pm

re: #169 The Ghost of What Plants Crave

Meine Kraft is the Rammstein song about macaroni and cheese, right?

Nah, that’s mein Teil. Which could also be Trump’s anthem. //

Rammstein - Mein Teil (Russian funny remix) in Audiosurf

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:07:16pm

re: #162 dholmes32

Christopher Hitchens could be, and was, very, very annoying. But he underwent a waterboarding given by people who had trained troops to resist such torture. And he came out of it basically saying, yep, it’s waterboarding.

vanityfair.com

Jesse Ventura offered several times to waterboard Shaun Hannity and claimed he could Hannity to admit to anything by the time he got through.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:07:19pm

re: #174 Nyet

Nah, that’s mein Teil. Which could also be Trump’s anthem. //

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I thought mein Teil was about a sausage and two veg.

; )

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The War TARDIS  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:07:48pm

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

I think there will be an Oklahoma City style attack on a Mosque before the year is over.

When it happens, I want the Republican Party defined as a terrorist organization.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:08:44pm

re: #176 The Ghost of What Plants Crave

I thought mein Teil was about a sausage and two veg.

; )

Fazit: Trump should eat a bag of dicks.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:14:15pm

OK, today’s Oglaf is hardcore - and not in the usual Oglaf sense.

Image: throne_of_heaven_Ni4CAm4.jpg

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:15:02pm

re: #177 The War TARDIS

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:19:38pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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Honest question for you - when you posted your “Why I Parted Ways With the Right” piece - it will be six years a week from tomorrow - did you think at that time they would have embraced their fanaticism at the level of insanity that we are seeing now?

Also, have you thought about creating a followup piece to that one comparing how the right was going off the rails back then and how far that has taken them today?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:21:34pm

re: #165 Ian G.

The only good thing about this is how few of them there were. This is no bigger than a 9/11 truther rally.

Still, I’m really really scared about the level of hysteria in this country. I feel like we’re another terrorist attack away from a Kristallnacht type event against Muslims in this country.

We are seeing the level of hysteria only of the pro and semi-pro hysterics. Half the people freaking are doing it for a gainful purpose. The other half freak at a warm breeze. Together, they don’t make half the country.

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urbanmeemaw  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:22:19pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I love Stuffitupyurass’ equivocation about waterboarding: “Many say it’s torture”.

People like him enable toxic spews like Carson, Trump, and the rest of the Rethuglicans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:23:28pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

We are seeing the level of hysteria only of the pro and semi-pro hysterics. Half the people freaking are doing it for a gainful purpose. The other half freak at a warm breeze. Together, they don’t make half the country.

You sure about that?

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:23:34pm

re: #183 urbanmeemaw

I love Stuffitupyurass’ equivocation about waterboarding: “Many say it’s torture”.

People like him enable toxic spews like Carson, Trump, and the rest of the Rethuglicans.

I’m near the point of saying “well, let’s try it on you and then you can decide”.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:23:59pm

Look who’s eagerly circulating Trump’s fake statistics from a nonexistent “bureau:”

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:24:27pm

And the reason for this is that the torturers went completely unpunished the last time.

So there will be more.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:27:05pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

You sure about that?

Wife will be at a small southern town interfaith Thanksgiving service on Tuesday with her priest and nun. So will the Imam. And Rabbi Lynn from the Reform temple. And a hundred shades of Baptist.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:28:08pm

re: #187 Nyet

And the reason for this is that the torturers went completely unpunished the last time.

So there will be more.

The one item about the whole waterboarding business that continues to rankle me is that the CIA deliberately destroyed evidence (video recordings) and never faced any punishment over it. The whole matter was quietly swept under the rug.

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The War TARDIS  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:31:46pm

re: #180 The Ghost of What Plants Crave

I’m tired of them threatening me, my friends, and the Pakistani family which has sorta-adopted me.

Doing that would stop it.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:33:09pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

The conventional wisdom has been that Trump would flame out, but we keep getting closer to actual voting without any signs of Trump weakening. He could sweep from Iowa through Super Tuesday in four weeks and virtually lock up the nomination.

I get the impression that Trump thinks as soon as he gets more than 50% in the GOP polls Obama should resign and hand the government over to him.

Who needs elections?

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:36:36pm

Has it been established where that image with fake stats came from? I wouldn’t be surprised if from Stormfront.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:36:37pm

Texas you suck

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:37:52pm

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

In 2010

Fucking douche.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:38:42pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:40:12pm

re: #192 Nyet

Has it been established where that image with fake stats came from? I wouldn’t be surprised if from Stormfront.

I had the same thought, but couldn’t find anything on Google Images or tineye.com.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:40:21pm

Frontpage article at NRO: Kevin Williamson.

Sorry, they’re too busy fantasizing about hanging women to criticize Trump for racism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:45:47pm

Gah addictinginfo.com has trash ads. Kill them with fire.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:47:51pm

lolwut

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:51:01pm

re: #199 electrotek

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lolwut

Tell 11Bravo we want it from an 84Charlie or STFU.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:52:01pm

Heh, just in case anyone wants to make RWNJ heads explode:

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EmmaAnne  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:52:09pm

re: #38 Nyet

I thought you said earlier, when we discussed this, that we simply don’t know. What made you change your opinion? The fact that a crucial detail of what she had reported was confirmed (nurse conference at the time when Bill was nearby), as well as the fact that she told about the alleged rape to 4 or 5 people (I’m writing from memory here) shortly after it allegedly had happened do not prove her story, but make it less easily dismissable.

I looked into it a few years back and concluded it was fabricated, but I don’t remember the details. I guess I could do that research again. But really - Bill Clinton has plenty of flaws, but rapists do that shit over and over. We would have heard dozens of stories like that if he were - thing Bill Cosby.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:54:25pm

re: #202 EmmaAnne

I looked into it a few years back and concluded it was fabricated, but I don’t remember the details. I guess I could do that research again. But really - Bill Clinton has plenty of flaws, but rapists do that shit over and over. We would have heard dozens of stories like that if he were - thing Bill Cosby.

Not convincing. Rapists are not reducible to one type.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:55:28pm

re: #181 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Honest question for you - when you posted your “Why I Parted Ways With the Right” piece - it will be six years a week from tomorrow - did you think at that time they would have embraced their fanaticism at the level of insanity that we are seeing now?

Also, have you thought about creating a followup piece to that one comparing how the right was going off the rails back then and how far that has taken them today?

I saw this coming. When I wrote that post things were already pretty bad, but I knew it was going to get much worse.

A followup piece might be a good idea; I’ll discuss it with my board of directors.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2015 • 3:55:34pm

If anyone wants a good meditation on the meaning of Thanksgiving, I paged what I think is a good one here:
littlegreenfootballs.com

Hopefully someone else will get something from it. It’s become a very big part of my understanding of this most American - for good and ill - of holidays.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:06:23pm

re: #165 Ian G.

The only good thing about this is how few of them there were. This is no bigger than a 9/11 truther rally.

Still, I’m really really scared about the level of hysteria in this country. I feel like we’re another terrorist attack away from a Kristallnacht type event against Muslims in this country.

We got VERY lucky with the failed Times Square bomb plot. Can you imagine what would have happened if Faisal Shahzad was successful in killing hundreds of people at Times Square 5 years ago?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:08:40pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

didn’t know Jindal was running for governor…LOL!

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Mattand  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:09:35pm

re: #171 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher claims he is an independent and he is tired of neo-con adventurism…but he always votes for the GOP at the national level because teh faggotz and teh trannies scare him more than dead American soldier coming home in caskets from Syria.

Word.

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Great White Snark  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:09:42pm

Heads will pop like champagne bubbles
….
re: #201 CuriousLurker

Bet me by just a short time. HT well done.

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Great White Snark  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:11:59pm

re: #205 William Lewis

If anyone wants a good meditation on the meaning of Thanksgiving, I paged what I think is a good one here:
littlegreenfootballs.com

Hopefully someone else will get something from it. It’s become a very big part of my understanding of this most American - for good and ill - of holidays.

That prayer is truly beautiful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:12:08pm

re: #192 Nyet

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Earliest tweet I’ve found.
He likes Hitler.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:12:11pm

Princeton’s president has sent a lengthy letter to alumni, about racial tension on campus and in particular the legacy of Woodrow Wilson, a former president of the university and namesake of the School of International and Public Affairs. (More informally known as “Woody Woo” on campus.)

Here’s an excerpt. I plan on paging the whole thing.

One of the most sensitive and controversial issues pertains to Woodrow Wilson’s legacy on the campus. As every Princetonian knows, Wilson left a lasting imprint on this University and this campus, and while much of his record had a very positive impact on the shaping of modern Princeton, his record on race is disturbing. As a University we have to be open to thoughtful re-examination of our own history, and I believe it is appropriate to engage our community in a careful exploration of this legacy. Since the Board of Trustees has authority over how the University recognizes Wilson, I have asked the Board to develop a process to consider this issue, and the Board has agreed to do so. The Board will form a subcommittee to collect information about Wilson’s record and impact from a wide array of perspectives and constituencies. This information will include a range of scholarly understandings of Wilson. Toward this end, the Board will solicit letters from experts familiar with Wilson, and it will make those letters public. The Board will also establish a vehicle to allow alumni, faculty, students, and staff to register their opinions with the subcommittee about Wilson and his legacy. In addition, members of the Board’s subcommittee will schedule visits to Princeton’s campus early in the spring semester to listen to the views of the University community, including its alumni. After assessing the information it has gathered and hearing the views of all parts of the Princeton community, the Board will decide whether there are any changes that should be made in how the University recognizes Wilson’s legacy.

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Mattand  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:12:52pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

I saw this coming. When I wrote that post things were already pretty bad, but I knew it was going to get much worse.

A followup piece might be a good idea; I’ll discuss it with my board of directors.

Tell them we need more snacks in the break room while you’re at it.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:13:52pm

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More research is always good.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:16:57pm

When did 9/11 Truthers become such rabid Islamophobes?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:19:26pm

re: #215 electrotek

When did 9/11 Truthers become such rabid Islamophobes?

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Show it as a double bill with The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:19:53pm

Here’s a popular wingnut meme, corrected.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:20:02pm

re: #210 Great White Snark

That prayer is truly beautiful.

When I first saw it, I printed it out and pasted it into my personal prayer book. It’s a beautiful piece that I expect I’ll return to year after year.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:20:42pm

re: #215 electrotek

“Please pay attention to me!!! (and send money)”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:20:57pm

My surprise, let me show you it.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:23:43pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:24:00pm

WHOA

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:24:00pm

Gus sent this…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:25:17pm
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jaunte  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:26:04pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:28:00pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:28:25pm

re: #190 The War TARDIS

I’m tired of them threatening me, my friends, and the Pakistani family which has sorta-adopted me.

Doing that would stop it.

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TedStriker  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:31:40pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

I saw this coming. When I wrote that post things were already pretty bad, but I knew it was going to get much worse.

A followup piece might be a good idea; I’ll discuss it with my board of directors.

You have a board of directors?

///

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:32:13pm

Here is some brain bleach

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:33:29pm

re: #225 jaunte

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The comments were fairly sane for The Hill. Their articles stay this side of hydrophobia, but the usual comments are hardly better than Freep.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:35:27pm

re: #225 jaunte

keep retweeting the original.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:38:03pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:41:08pm

Last night I watched “Age of Adaline” which is about a time stillstander (as opposed to a time traveler)

Harrison Ford OMFG totes not a time stillstander. He is old as fuck.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:44:33pm

Depressing, but true!!!!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:44:37pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:44:57pm

re: #214 Nyet

More research is always good.

I can guarantee that Wilson’s racism never came up during any discussion or printed profile of Wilson while I was a Princeton student. I’m not even sure it was mentioned in the biography I read during AP US History in high school.

Wilson was a true child of the South, it seems.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:46:12pm

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

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The cake I’m taking to my friend’s house for Thanksgiving!

valerieconfections.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:46:14pm

re: #234 Joe Bacon

Depressing, but true!!!!

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Ayep, so long as Trump makes this election season interesting, the media will continue to cover for his ass. Sort of like how “reality TV” is usually scripted and the more boring/questionable bits cut out.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:48:14pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

Ayep, so long as Trump makes this election season interesting, the media will continue to cover for his ass. Sort of like how “reality TV” is usually scripted and the more boring/questionable bits cut out.

Would it be that real life could be like that.

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EmmaAnne  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:48:42pm

re: #203 Nyet

Not convincing. Rapists are not reducible to one type.

I won’t bother then. If there were a way to prove it couldn’t have happened, someone would have done that. Anyway, he’s not running for president - Hillary is.

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darthstar  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:48:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:48:59pm

Look at the trash for Trump==>

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:49:11pm

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Princeton’s president has sent a lengthy letter to alumni, about racial tension on campus and in particular the legacy of Woodrow Wilson, a former president of the university and namesake of the School of International and Public Affairs. (More informally known as “Woody Woo” on campus.)

Here’s an excerpt. I plan on paging the whole thing.

The only professor I studied with who ever openly discussed Wilson’s attitude on race was David Montgomery in his American Labor History class. He had us watch Birth of a Nation which I had never seen. His commentary during the film REALLY opened my eyes!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 22, 2015 • 4:55:33pm

re: #243 Joe Bacon

The only professor I studied with who ever openly discussed Wilson’s attitude on race was David Montgomery in his American Labor History class. He had us watch Birth of a Nation which I had never seen. His commentary during the film REALLY opened my eyes!

What we consider bigotry now was considered quite acceptable 100 years ago. African-Americans (most of whom had been former slaves 40-50 years earlier) were seen as non-people by most whites, especially Southerners like Wilson.

His parents settled in Virginia and supported the Confederacy. Despite his fairly liberal Presbyterianism, Wilson never quite escaped the slave culture he grew up in. One wonders what his reaction would be to his alma mater having about 11% of its student body African-American.

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Snarknado!  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:00:17pm

re: #240 EmmaAnne

Anyway, he’s not running for president - Hillary is.

All the updings.

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The War TARDIS  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:00:28pm

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Aside from Reagan, I have heard the argument that Wilson was one of the most over-rated presidents of the 20th Century.

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Snarknado!  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:01:46pm

re: #243 Joe Bacon

The only professor I studied with who ever openly discussed Wilson’s attitude on race was David Montgomery in his American Labor History class. He had us watch Birth of a Nation which I had never seen. His commentary during the film REALLY opened my eyes!

They did manage to ban it in New York. Baby steps…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:01:55pm

re: #246 The War TARDIS

Aside from Reagan, I have heard the argument that Wilson was one of the most over-rated presidents of the 20th Century.

I would argue he did more for Princeton than he did for the USA as a whole.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:07:50pm
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:07:52pm

I’m too tired to actually read all 240+ posts, so I’m just going to post this here.

I have one simple question for RW supporters of waterboarding, who maintain it’s not a torture. If it’s not a torture, why did we convict several Japanese after WW2 for it. In at least one case, one one sentenced to 15 years hard labor. We also court-martialed and convicted of torturing a prisoner an American soldier during Vietnam.

I swear, if I see anything even suggesting that waterboarding is OK on my FB timeline tonight I’m going to start trimming my friends list with a hedge trimmer.

RBS

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:08:40pm

Would you buy a Used War from this guy?

Looks like he’s getting ready to go booger-digging!
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:10:02pm

re: #251 Joe Bacon

Would you buy a Used War from this guy?

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I’m Jeb, and what will it take to put you in a fine pre-owned war today?

RBS

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:20:58pm

I’m watching Survivor Series and just heard a line that I think I’m going to start using:

If that wasn’t a lie, you just photoshopped the truth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:30:31pm
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NotAgain  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:34:29pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Add voter turnout less than 50% to that and you get…

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:36:03pm

re: #250 Reality Based Steve

I’m too tired to actually read all 240+ posts, so I’m just going to post this here.

I have one simple question for RW supporters of waterboarding, who maintain it’s not a torture. If it’s not a torture, why did we convict several Japanese after WW2 for it. In at least one case, one one sentenced to 15 years hard labor. We also court-martialed and convicted of torturing a prisoner an American soldier during Vietnam.

I swear, if I see anything even suggesting that waterboarding is OK on my FB timeline tonight I’m going to start trimming my friends list with a hedge trimmer.

RBS

Maybe just my opinion, but I have always felt that the various spins and rationales generated by apologists for the US’ use of waterboarding (“not technically ‘torture’”, “enhanced interrogation”, etc.) are just “respectable” facades for their true feelings: i.e., that the subjects of said “enhancements” are all mere “terrorists”, and thus subhuman scum not worthy of any legal or moral protection against anything. And the pro-torture “arguments” (at least those commonly found on the Internet since 9/11/01) virtually always contain the caveat that “THEY do worse”: or, occasionally, acknowledgement that abusive interrogation procedures are commonplace in the (usually Middle-Eastern) nations/societies “THEY” come from, so the occasional torture session is nothing out-of-the-ordinary.
IOW, the usual American rationale (not unique to us by any means, though) - We’re (always) the Good Guys, THEY are the Bad Guys, ergo, all the rules are different.
And good luck trying to alter that attitude….

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darthstar  Nov 22, 2015 • 5:54:27pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 22, 2015 • 6:21:58pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Look at the trash for Trump==>

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Kuru? Seriously?

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BeachDem  Nov 22, 2015 • 7:53:52pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Here is some brain bleach

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 22, 2015 • 9:50:50pm

re: #227 The Ghost of Dildo-Waving Marxism

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2015 • 11:00:52pm

re: #240 EmmaAnne

I won’t bother then. If there were a way to prove it couldn’t have happened, someone would have done that.

Which is a part of my point. Has anyone done this? Not to my knowledge. What’s the evidence of her story being fabricated then?

Anyway, he’s not running for president - Hillary is.

That’s irrelevant for the purposes of the discussion.


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