An Awesome Performance on 18-String Acoustic Guitar: Ian Ethan Case, “Butter II”

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1
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:16:52pm

Impressive, as usual.

My native name is “Musically Useless”.

2
Great White Snark  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:20:51pm

It looks impossible. But there it is. beautiful sound.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:24:34pm

Chris Christie endorsed by NH Union-Leader—I responded to this in the last thread but this one popped up. My comment isn’t even insightful, but I’m relatively buzzed and feel snubbed.

Hunter Thompson referred to the Union-Leader as “America’s Worst Newspaper.”

And as a relatively recent transplant, I agree. Their idea of op-ed is to have old-style republican apologists like George Will go against Jonah Goldberg.

But basically, they are saying, “it’s over; we’ve lost.”

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nines09  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:26:08pm

Yeah. I could do that. The only thing keeping me back is a 25 grand guitar……Talent….And the fact the top of my head would pop off like a bottle cap and I would spontaneously ignite as I attempted this. Don’t want to hurt the guitar…

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Mattand  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:28:20pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

Chris Christie endorsed by NH Union-Leader—I responded to this in the last thread but this one popped up. My comment isn’t even insightful, but I’m relatively buzzed and feel snubbed.

Hunter Thompson referred to the Union-Leader as “America’s Worst Newspaper.”

And as a relatively recent transplant, I agree. Their idea of op-ed is to have old-style republican apologists like George Will go against Jonah Goldberg.

But basically, they are saying, “it’s over; we’ve lost.”

As a NJ resident who is consistently embarrassed by this man, I find it endlessly hilarious that Christie had to travel 400 miles north from NJ to get a newspaper to endorse him.

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Mattand  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:30:03pm

18 strings?????

In my day, we had six! And we made them out of catgut! And we didn’t have any cats!!!

Goddamn kids today…

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William Lewis  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:32:18pm

Amazing stuff, thank you Charles.

Tapping is one of those techniques I just don’t get at this point and probably never will. Still I had fun playing my Casino Coupe on Thanksgiving as an acoustic while over at my ex’s for her and my son. So I guess I’m saying I love all the music - what I can manage as well as what I can’t? Ah, heck, time to go to work. Later lizards.

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Lidane  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:32:54pm

re: #5 Mattand

As a NJ resident who is consistently embarrassed by this man, I find it endlessly hilarious that Christie had to travel 400 miles north from NJ to get a newspaper to endorse him.

I’m waiting to see the Sunday show reactions to this endorsement. Should be fun.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:34:19pm

re: #5 Mattand

As a NJ resident who is consistently embarrassed by this man, I find it endlessly hilarious that Christie had to travel 400 miles north from NJ to get a newspaper to endorse him.

Like the White Mountains, fall foliage, the lake district, and skiing, New Hampshire is a tourist spot for politicians. It should work well for the GOP, since the demographic is the same, but the Dems should be pushing to end this charade of having primarily white states as their first platforms.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:36:43pm

I’m bing watching Portlandia. Sublime.

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Mattand  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:37:34pm

re: #10 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I’m bing watching Portlandia. Sublime.

Cacao!

12
Joe Bacon  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:37:57pm

WOW! I’m amazed by Case’s dexterity!!!!!!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:46:17pm

re: #10 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I’m bing watching Portlandia. Sublime.

I tried to watch that show. I really did. I didn’t make it 20 minutes into the first episode because I wanted to kill every annoying character in the show. Like those people who go looking for the source of their restaurant’s chicken… And the shop owners that wouldn’t let Steve Buscemi use the restroom. I just couldn’t stand them.

It’s the same problem that had me watching the original UK version of The Office in twenty-minute doses, because David Brent was just too much to take in a binge watch.

The Dream of the 90’s is Alive in Portland is a great song, though :D

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:49:09pm

That’s the thing: you have to like odd, awkward, and annoying characters.

My kind of TV.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:50:46pm

re: #13 Pawn of the Oppressor

I tried to watch that show. I really did. I didn’t make it 20 minutes into the first episode because I wanted to kill every annoying character in the show. Like those people who go looking for the source of their restaurant’s chicken… And the shop owners that wouldn’t let Steve Buscemi use the restroom. I just couldn’t stand them.

It’s the same problem that had me watching the UK office in twenty-minute doses, because David Brent was just too much to take in a binge watch.

The Dream of the 90’s is Alive in Portland is a great song, though :D

When Fred Armisen is playing Tiberius but he isn’t really because he has actually become Emperor of America, you’ll wish you hadn’t said this! ///

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 28, 2015 • 8:56:56pm

He’ll understand. I can tell the show is good, but it’s just not for me. Maybe I’ll attempt a re-watch.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:05:56pm

re: #16 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’ll understand. I can tell the show is good, but it’s just not for me. Maybe I’ll attempt a re-watch.

I was just kidding. One or two episodes were enough for me.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:07:14pm

re: #17 Barefoot Grin

But there is an awesome Portlandia episode about binge watching….

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blueraven  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:07:24pm

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

Chris Christie endorsed by NH Union-Leader—I responded to this in the last thread but this one popped up. My comment isn’t even insightful, but I’m relatively buzzed and feel snubbed.

Hunter Thompson referred to the Union-Leader as “America’s Worst Newspaper.”

And as a relatively recent transplant, I agree. Their idea of op-ed is to have old-style republican apologists like George Will go against Jonah Goldberg.

But basically, they are saying, “it’s over; we’ve lost.”

20
Lidane  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:22:15pm

re: #19 blueraven

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:29:46pm

Local skiing phenom Mikaela Shiffrin freaking dominated on the Slalom today after crashing in her first speed event.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:32:23pm

Three seconds in ski racing is a fucking eternity.

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teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:42:13pm
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jaunte  Nov 28, 2015 • 9:55:51pm
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Mattand  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:08:28pm

re: #24 jaunte

Antiabortion sentiment emerges as possible motive…

The Wall Street Journal, engaging in the three-piece suit version of “It’s possible Dear attacked a bank and grocery first, and then accidentally wandered into the PP clinic.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:11:39pm

re: #25 Mattand

The Wall Street Journal, engaging in the three-piece suit version of “It’s possible Dear attacked a bank and grocery first, and then accidentally wandered into the PP clinic.”

And the “No more baby parts” bit just meant the grocery store was out? Sounds legit.

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Jenner7  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:26:01pm

G’night…

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:51:32pm

re: #25 Mattand

The Wall Street Journal, engaging in the three-piece suit version of “It’s possible Dear attacked a bank and grocery first, and then accidentally wandered into the PP clinic.”

Yeah, and the Japanese fleet set out to poach some Hawaiian whales and ended up hitting Pearl Harbor by mistake.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:51:49pm

re: #19 blueraven

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Since 1988 they’ve only endorsed the eventual nominee once (McCain, 2008). That is one whole lot of FAIL.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:55:32pm

re: #25 Mattand

The Wall Street Journal, engaging in the three-piece suit version of “It’s possible Dear attacked a bank and grocery first, and then accidentally wandered into the PP clinic.”

The proximity of the bank makes clear that it was his target, which means this is Bernie Sanders’ fault. But then he attacked the Planned Parenthood clinic instead because he’s a libtard.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 28, 2015 • 10:56:46pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Since 1988 they’ve only endorsed the eventual nominee once (McCain, 2008). That is one whole lot of FAIL.

And in ‘88 they might have called the Democratic side “The Seven Dwarfs”, but who the hell was Pierre du Pont?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2015 • 11:01:04pm

re: #19 blueraven

What happened to 2004?

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2015 • 11:02:51pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

What happened to 2004?

George W. Bush was running for reelection and was effectively unopposed in the primary.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 28, 2015 • 11:27:52pm

They pulled the win out at my hockey game for my first win at home for the season. I am happy, if still stuffed up and needing to write another 1000 words before bed.

My sister leaves tomorrow. :(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2015 • 11:49:33pm

From a Canadian website:

<Breaking News template for U.S. Crime Reporters>

MASS SHOOTING IN _________, USA kills _______

__________, USA — Up to ___ people were killed and ____ more injured after a gunman opened fire at a ________.

There were conflicting reports about casualties, but _______ from _______County Sheriff Department said the number is at __.

“I heard a popping sound and screaming,” said _________, a _________ at the __________. “And that’s when we all got down. There was ______ everywhere.”

The shooter’s motive was reported to be ________________.

Citizens of _______ were ______ and ______ to hear that something like this could happen in their community.

President _______ and Governor _______ had their _______ and _______ with the victims and their families.

____________________________________________________ gun control ___________________.

The NRA released a statement stating it __________with the victims, but _________ Second Amendment rights and _______________.

Fucking nails it.

Original post here.

36
Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:01:11am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:36:04am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:39:14am

I am in the unfortunate hell of “not sure how much longer I need to be awake, so can’t take more meds now in order to be able to take meds before falling asleep, but the previous meds have most definitely worn off.”

When I blow my nose my facial bones hurt.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:00:40am

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Reminds me of the boilerplate “bus plunge” stories that come over the news wires.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:11:55am

I have just spent a very pleasant, but tiring, two hours teaching about 35 Chinese students the waltz. I am not a dance instructor by any means, but the English club proposed this as an activity that would be more interesting than the usual English word games. I was the designated instructor.

None of the students had any experience in partner or ball room dance, but most of them picked up the basic steps quickly. The hard part came when we danced to “Moon River.” They had trouble finding “1” in the music, so several couples were behind at least two or three beats. I had to count 1-2-3 until mostly everyone got it.

The men were outnumbered 5 to 1, but I had to physically pair up boy-girl couples because they were too shy to do it on their own. :D The remaining women danced together.

It was like chaperoning a junior high school dance, but with college students.

It was fun. And I got to dance with several pretty young women, besides. ;-)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:57:33am

re: #24 jaunte

Antiabortion sentiment emerges as possible motive for Colorado shooting

Gotta admire WSJ’s journalistic caution.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:59:03am

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am in the unfortunate hell of “not sure how much longer I need to be awake, so can’t take more meds now in order to be able to take meds before falling asleep, but the previous meds have most definitely worn off.”

When I blow my nose my facial bones hurt.

Symphaphy.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 1:59:43am

re: #40 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sounds like a pleasant nightmare.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:31:42am

Comes now the definitive Freeper comment on the PP killings:

To: Isara

The perp was a tranny bank robber who deliberately hid in the Planned Parenthood in order to draw media attention away from itself, probably a paid DNC operative but certainly a pro-choicer and a Leftist. It doesn’t sound like any abortionists were killed as collateral, but if they were, good riddance. Nobody else deserved to die.

I generally like Cruz, but saying that “the motives are unclear” is at least partially incorrect. We are 100% certain the murderer was a Leftist.

15 posted on 11/28/2015, 9:52:02 PM by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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We are fighting a pathology.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:41:07am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Comes now the definitive Freeper comment on the PP killings:

To: Isara

The perp was a tranny bank robber who deliberately hid in the Planned Parenthood in order to draw media attention away from itself, probably a paid DNC operative but certainly a pro-choicer and a Leftist. It doesn’t sound like any abortionists were killed as collateral, but if they were, good riddance. Nobody else deserved to die.

I generally like Cruz, but saying that “the motives are unclear” is at least partially incorrect. We are 100% certain the murderer was a Leftist.

15 posted on 11/28/2015, 9:52:02 PM by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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We are fighting a pathology parody.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:48:00am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a pleasant nightmare.

It was OK. It’s not like we are planning a stage production.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:51:25am

re: #45 Nyet

Not a deliberate parody. That is part of a 80+ exchange on the Ted Cruz statement. It is the worst, but not singular. The commenter pretty much consolidated many of the alibis.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:51:54am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Comes now the definitive Freeper comment on the PP killings:

To: Isara

The perp was a tranny bank robber who deliberately hid in the Planned Parenthood in order to draw media attention away from itself, probably a paid DNC operative but certainly a pro-choicer and a Leftist. It doesn’t sound like any abortionists were killed as collateral, but if they were, good riddance. Nobody else deserved to die.

I generally like Cruz, but saying that “the motives are unclear” is at least partially incorrect. We are 100% certain the murderer was a Leftist.

15 posted on 11/28/2015, 9:52:02 PM by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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We are fighting a pathology.

Now that Dim Jim has published Dear’s voter record (which is 2nd hand information already), which identifies him as female, this fallacy has entered the RWNJ Annals of True Facts™. These facts, such as “Obama was born in Kenya,” are written in stone and cannot be unproven or changed. Dear to all RWNJs is now either transgender or transvestite, which is the least of his troubles at this point.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:54:21am

re: #47 Decatur Deb

It’s a parody come to life.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 2:56:30am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s not even a voter record as such… it’s something on the internet. And all it takes is triggering one single bit by mistake to turn a male into a female.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:06:21am

Going back and forth with a theologian about PP videos:

- Videos are edited, but ‘facts’ - won’t concede that the ‘facts’ are that the videos were not edited for brevity or benign reasons

- asserted that PP’s action were secretive and indicative of guilty conscience: won’t concede that PP is totally justified in being secretive and protective due to the shenanigans of CMP/Live Action and a history of violence, case in point these videos and now more murdered people.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:06:49am

How very witty. Watch out, we have right-wing intellectuals here!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:10:20am

re: #52 Nyet

I’m reading the Vox Day response as probable sarc. (If you have to guess, the sarc is ineffective.)

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:10:56am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

They are both sarcastically impotent.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:17:28am

Thanks me for debate, tells me he’s sleepy and needs to go… proceeds to keep tweeting to me. Obviously because I’m just awesome and fun to be around.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:21:39am

Sarcasm deficiency is the least of this person’s problems:

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:23:01am

re: #56 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

A full blown fascist by now. Well, no surprises there.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:27:44am

re: #57 Nyet

A full blown fascist by now. Well, no surprises there.

Gah. If sarcasm fails, there’s always 12-gauge.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:29:10am

Oh this is just precious:

SJW ATTACK SURVIVAL GUIDE
With a foreward by Milo Yiannopolis

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:39:23am

What I found interesting is that these guys are anti-atheist.
Frankly, I would almost expect them to be some sort of atheist nihilists, if only because I know the type - a 20-40 y.o. with a semi-libertarian background, something like that.

But no, they are rabidly anti-atheism. Milo, Vox, Cernovich. Vox even has a whole book against atheism. So that’s not even “neo-reaction”, it’s the classic hardcore right, end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, all the tropes. Now including Jews.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:39:39am

re: #59 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Oh this is just precious:

SJW ATTACK SURVIVAL GUIDE
With a foreward by Milo Yiannopolis

Looked him up. Per wiki, he’s a 2nd generation RWNJ. Not giving him a hit.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:45:37am

I guess I assume a libertarian is atheist or at least agnostic. Weird to see libertarians be anti-atheist.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:47:29am

re: #62 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I guess I assume a libertarian is atheist or at least agnostic. Weird to see libertarians be anti-atheist.

It’s a curious American blend: libertarianism + Calvinism.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:49:03am

re: #62 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

I guess I assume a libertarian is atheist or at least agnostic. Weird to see libertarians be anti-atheist.

Inorite. But I learned that it’s more of a stereotype than anything else. Even among Rand-admirers (think two Pauls - Rand and Ryan).

Gary North is a libertarian Christian reconstructionist. Stonings for gay sex and adultery in a libertarian state. Try to wrap your head around this one.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:50:34am

re: #64 Nyet

Inorite. But I learned that it’s more of a stereotype than anything else. Even among Rand-admirers (think two Pauls - Rand and Ryan).

Gary North is a libertarian Christian reconstructionist. Stonings for gay sex and adultery in a libertarian state. Try to wrap your head around this one.

“Hateful Prick” can be elevated to an ideology.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:51:54am

re: #65 Decatur Deb

“Hateful Prick” can be elevated to an ideology.

It sure has been elevated to a religion by some.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:53:50am

re: #64 Nyet

Inorite. But I learned that it’s more of a stereotype than anything else. Even among Rand-admirers (think two Pauls - Rand and Ryan).

Gary North is a libertarian Christian reconstructionist. Stonings for gay sex and adultery in a libertarian state. Try to wrap your head around this one.

You got it. They hate big government, except the government should monitor and control personal behavior, like sex. How a “small government” could manage to do that is never answered.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 3:56:50am

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

North:

Everyone talks about religious liberty, but no one believes it. So let us be blunt about it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political, and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:00:58am

re: #68 Nyet

North:

We perpetuate the myth that the Pilgrims came to America to enjoy religious freedom. They came to America to practice exactly what North is describing.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:01:25am

re: #68 Nyet

North:

Such libertarian. Very freedom.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:02:12am

re: #66 Nyet

It sure has been elevated to a religion by some.

It’s a very short leap from Political Movements (668) to Religious Offenses (688) in the anthro’s Outline of Cultural Materials.

hraf.yale.edu

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:02:45am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We perpetuate the myth that the Pilgrims came to America to enjoy religious freedom. They came to America to practice exactly what North is describing.

The Pilgrims weren’t as bad as the Puritans. Now there was a fun bunch of people. They scorned Baptists and Quakers alike.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:04:00am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Pilgrims weren’t as bad as the Puritans. Now there was a fun bunch of people. They scorned Baptists and Quakers alike.

I dated the Last Puritan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:05:47am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

I dated the Last Puritan.

Workin’ on your Puri-tan?

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:08:50am

re: #70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Such libertarian. Very freedom.

nytimes.com

According to Reconstructionism, a Christian theocracy under Old Testament law is the best form of government, and a radically libertarian one. Biblical law, they believe, presupposes total government decentralization, with the family and church providing order. Until that day comes, Reconstructionists believe the rights to home-school and to worship freely at least provide the barest conditions of liberty.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:09:05am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Workin’ on your Puri-tan?

We were good for each other.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:13:49am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

I dated the Last Puritan.

If it was after 1982, then I dated the next-to-last Puritan.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:16:13am

re: #75 Nyet

nytimes.com

Except in actual practice (18th-19th century Sweden, for example) church law replaces big government, and freedoms are even more strictly limited.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:16:48am

re: #77 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If it was after 1982, then I dated the next-to-last Puritan.

‘64. Thought they died out during the revolution.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:18:43am

re: #78 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Except in actual practice (18th-19th century Sweden, for example) church law replaces big government, and freedoms are even more strictly limited.

but you’re really free to do exactly what (our interpretation of) the Bible tells you to do! That’s the only real free dumb!!

IOW don’t confuse them with reality…

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:19:48am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

‘64. Thought they died out during the revolution.

They hide like 17 year cicadas and come out when you least expect it making their horrible noise.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:20:25am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

‘64. Thought they died out during the revolution.

In fact, she was a Baptist, and a very conservative one. So, puritanical would be more accurate a description. Anything past hand holding was off limits, and even hand holding was scandalous.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:22:29am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In fact, she was a Baptist, and a very conservative one. So, puritanical would be more accurate a description. Anything past hand holding was off limits, and even hand holding was scandalous.

We got to quality hand-holding, in a thunderstorm in the highest turret of the Empire State Building.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:23:39am

re: #80 William Lewis

but you’re really free to do exactly what (our interpretation of) the Bible tells you to do! That’s the only real free dumb!!

IOW don’t confuse them with reality…

The Reconstructionists and Dominionists all suffer from the same misapprehension. They assume everyone will meekly obey church doctrine to the letter. AFAIK, such church-run social systems inevitably fall apart, either through schism or scandal.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:24:19am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In fact, she was a Baptist, and a very conservative one. So, puritanical would be more accurate a description. Anything past hand holding was off limits, and even hand holding was scandalous.

That sounds like the Wisconsin Synod Lutherans. They broke away from the hyper conservative Missouri Synod because the Missouri folks let women talk at church meetings. No joke. Seriously insane people. I had to attend a funeral at one once and it was the only time I was glad I couldn’t take communion by the local rules. Gave me an excuse to beat feet a little sooner.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:24:23am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

We got to quality hand-holding, in a thunderstorm in the highest turret of the Empire State Building.

I assume large gorillas were not part of this scenario.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:25:22am

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I assume large gorillas were not part of this scenario.

Wouldn’t have noticed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:29:54am

Daylight come, and me go walk the dog.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:32:39am

re: #80 William Lewis

They believe the only real freedom is to be found through Christ. The rest of their schizophrenic worldview follows organically from that premise.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:33:11am

re: #85 William Lewis

That sounds like the Wisconsin Synod Lutherans. They broke away from the hyper conservative Missouri Synod because the Missouri folks let women talk at church meetings. No joke. Seriously insane people. I had to attend a funeral at one once and it was the only time I was glad I couldn’t take communion by the local rules. Gave me an excuse to beat feet a little sooner.

I went to her church once. Very nice people, but I could tell this East Coast liberal Quaker and those Southern Indiana conservative Baptists were not going to hit it off long term.

On one memorable date with her, we had gone to the movies. I forget the exact flick, but it was Disney film that for the very briefest of moments showed a girl’s naked bottom as she dove into a pond. (She had been pretending to be a boy, and her skinny-dipping “outed” her to the male lead.) Well, my date was less than happy about that scene, though the rest of the movie was just fine. On the way to her home, the muffler fell off my car. Literally. We made quite an arrival in her driveway, as you can imagine.

That same car, on another occasion, decided to spring a leak in a fuel line before our lunch date. I was a half hour late, and smelled like gasoline, but after I convinced her that my being late was preferable to my going up in flames, she calmed down.

Ah, youth!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:34:06am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Wouldn’t have noticed.

Hm. *Very* advanced hand holding, it seems.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:34:16am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!” He said, “Like what?” I said, “Well…are you religious or atheist?” He said, “Religious.” I said, “Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?” He said, “Christian.” I said, “Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?” He said, “Baptist!” I said,”Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?” He said, “Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?” He said,”Reformed Baptist church of god!” I said, “Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!” I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off. — Emo Phillips

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:36:53am

re: #89 Nyet

They believe the only real freedom is to be found through Christ. The rest of their schizophrenic worldview follows organically from that premise.

Yes, indeed. The principle is, if you turn yourself completely over to Christ, you need no longer worry about making decisions on your own. All the right answers will come from Him. True freedom rests on having a set course already decided for you.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:38:01am

re: #89 Nyet

They believe the only real freedom is to be found through Christ. The rest of their schizophrenic worldview follows organically from that premise.

Yep. Thanks but if I decided to surrender that way, I’ll just go find a nice bunch of Franciscan monks to hang with.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:38:19am

By this time the label of “libertarian” (without modifiers, like “left-libertarian” or “libertarian socialist”) only tells you with great probability that the person is a follower of the Austrian school of economics. (And probably an asshole.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:40:13am

re: #95 Nyet

By this time the label of “libertarian” (without modifiers, like “left-libertarian” or “libertarian socialist”) only tells you with great probability that the person is a follower of the Austrian school of economics. (And probably an asshole.)

Or a fanboi/girl of Ayn Rand, aka self-centered, semi-literate jerk.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:44:01am

re: #95 Nyet

By this time the label of “libertarian” (without modifiers, like “left-libertarian” or “libertarian socialist”) only tells you with great probability that the person is a follower of the Austrian school of economics. (And probably an asshole.)

I usually refer to those people using it without qualifier as ” right wing anarchists” which usually POs them enough that their rants show that’s exactly what they are. ;)

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:44:58am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One wonders how much some of them have actually read of her, her worldview being fundamentally atheistic and all.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:47:31am

re: #94 William Lewis

Yep. Thanks but if I decided to surrender that way, I’ll just go find a nice bunch of Franciscan monks to hang with.

How the fuck do you think you wind up holding hands on a skyscraper?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:47:56am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or a fanboi/girl of Ayn Rand, aka self-centered, semi-literate jerk.

The funny thing being that Rand despised libertarianism.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:48:52am

Dog is at the end of his patience. BBL.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:50:14am

re: #60 Nyet

But no, they are rabidly anti-atheism. Milo, Vox, Cernovich. Vox even has a whole book against atheism. So that’s not even “neo-reaction”, it’s the classic hardcore right, end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, all the tropes. Now including Jews.

Here’s a list of authors admired by Counter Currents, a blog Vox recently gave an interview to. Connoisseurs of the fascist movements will recognize many names.

Distributed Authors
Alain de Benoist
Jonathan Bowden
Corneliu Codreanu
Jack Donovan
Alexander Dugin
Julius Evola
Guillaume Faye
Madison Grant
Pierre Krebs
Pentti Linkola
H. P. Lovecraft
Anthony M. Ludovici
H. L. Mencken
Tito Perdue
John Robison
Savitri Devi
Lothrop Stoddard
Francis Parker Yockey

E.g. Savitri Devi:

Mukherji (September 30, 1905 - October 22, 1982) was the pseudonym of the Greek-French writer Maximiani Portas, a prominent proponent of animal rights, deep ecology[1] and Nazism, who served the Axis cause during World War II by spying on Allied forces in India.[2][3][4] She wrote about animal rights movements and was a leading member of the Nazi underground during the 1960s.[4][5][2]

Savitri Devi was also an animal-rights activist who authored the book The Impeachment of Man in 1959[4] and was a proponent of Hinduism and Nazism, synthesizing the two, proclaiming Adolf Hitler to have been sent by Providence, much like an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu. She believed Hitler was a sacrifice for humanity which would lead to the end of the Kali Yuga induced by who she felt were the powers of evil, the Jews.[4] Her writings have influenced neo-Nazism and Nazi occultism. Among Savitri Devi’s ideas was the classifications of “men above time”, “men in time” and “men against time”.[6] Rejecting Judeo-Christianity, she believed in a form of pantheistic monism; a single cosmos of nature composed of divine energy-matter.[7][8]

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2015 • 4:54:43am

re: #90 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I went to her church once. Very nice people, but I could tell this East Coast liberal Quaker and those Southern Indiana conservative Baptists were not going to hit it off long term.

On one memorable date with her, we had gone to the movies. I forget the exact flick, but it was Disney film that for the very briefest of moments showed a girl’s naked bottom as she dove into a pond. (She had been pretending to be a boy, and her skinny-dipping “outed” her to the male lead.) Well, my date was less than happy about that scene, though the rest of the movie was just fine. On the way to her home, the muffler fell off my car. Literally. We made quite an arrival in her driveway, as you can imagine.

That same car, on another occasion, decided to spring a leak in a fuel line before our lunch date. I was a half hour late, and smelled like gasoline, but after I convinced her that my being late was preferable to my going up in flames, she calmed down.

Ah, youth!

The film you went to see woulda been Dragonslayer.

The would-be screenwriter/director in me would love to remake that film.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:00:02am

Idiot…

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:03:31am

It should be noted that while libertarianism was a breeding ground for many of these folks, many of them no longer consider themselves libertarian.

Vox Day: I would describe myself as a Christian Western Civilizationist. I’ve been a libertarian for a long time. I was briefly even a card-carrying libertarian. But I was always more of a small L libertarian rather than a capital L one. Mostly because there were certain amounts of libertarian dogma that didn’t quite work out in the real world. Then as time went on it became readily apparent to me as I traveled around the world, as I lived in different countries, as I learned different languages, it became apparent to me that the abstract ideals that we often tend to follow in America in particular are not really relevant to most of the world.

I was being interviewed by a reporter from Le Monde in Paris about two months ago and he had absolutely no idea how to even describe the concept of libertarian to his readers. That’s in France which is at least Western civilization and so forth. Trying to have a conversation about that sort of concept in Japan or China it’s just totally meaningless. So, that’s when I really became more cognizant of the importance of the nationalist element.

I think that just as Stalin found it necessary to modify international socialism for the Russians and just as Mao found it necessary to modify international socialism for the Chinese, it’s necessary for every other ideology to also understand that there are nationalistic, tribalistic limits to the abstract application of those ideologies.

His interviewer (from the fascist blog) adds to this:

GJ: That’s interesting. I’m an ex-libertarian myself. I was not a card-carrying libertarian, but I subscribed to Reason magazine and read lots of Ayn Rand and Hayek and Mises mostly when I was an undergraduate. There were things that led me away from that.

Two books in particular. First, I read Thomas Sowell’s A Conflict of Visions and the other was Céline’s Journey to the End of the Night, which basically destroyed my liberal optimism about humanity.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:12:38am

re: #22 teleskiguy

Three seconds in ski racing is a fucking eternity.

That’s about three gates. Huge.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:15:23am

re: #102 Nyet

O_o oy! I hadn’t run into that particular nut before.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:20:13am
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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:20:52am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

The film you went to see woulda been Dragonslayer.

The would-be screenwriter/director in me would love to remake that film.

I never felt it needed much of a remake,. Best dragon ever, exquisite take on magic and the coming of the monks. Really a good look at gritty low fantasy. Though if Draco really only wants virgins, they should have just gotten it on and fixed the problem LOL

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:25:19am

re: #108 darthstar

CNN is reporting what the police source says. But yeah, shoot the messenger and all that.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:27:40am

re: #108 darthstar

Dylan Roof: I wanted to kill black people.

Media: His motives remain unclear.

Dylan Roof: I’m a racist.

Media: Why did he do it?

[citation needed]

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:30:36am

re: #110 Nyet

CNN is reporting what the police source says. But yeah, shoot the messenger and all that.

CNN is covering for the right. The guy handed police anti-Obama literature and complained about PP selling baby parts. There is only one group of people who talk like that - Republican Presidential Candidates.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:32:12am
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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:32:25am

re: #112 darthstar

CNN is covering for the right. The guy handed police anti-Obama literature and complained about PP selling baby parts. There is only one group of people who talk like that - Republican Presidential Candidates.

I bet you haven’t actually read the CNN article. Or you would have known that all that is in there.

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:36:32am

re: #3 Barefoot Grin

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:39:17am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

The film you went to see woulda been Dragonslayer.

The would-be screenwriter/director in me would love to remake that film.

Ah, that’s the one! Yes. Knowing she would never agree to an R-rated movie, I figured a Disney fantasy would be safe. Little did I know …

On a similar note, there were some bluenoses upset that the live-action Cinderella with Lily James showed too much cleavage for a children’s movie. Not that most children would be paying attention to Lily James’ cleavage.

Some people need to get a life.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:43:40am

re: #114 Nyet

I bet you haven’t actually read the CNN article. Or you would have known that all that is in there.

Touche. But isn’t a misleading headline more important? Obviously, I assumed they sugar coated based on the headline.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:44:53am

re: #105 Nyet

“Christian Western Civilizationist” — fancy neologism for “white supremacist”

Same label could be applied to Dylann Roof, Chuck Johnson or Milo Yiannapoulus, as well.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:48:37am

re: #117 darthstar

Touche. But isn’t a misleading headline more important? Obviously, I assumed they sugar coated based on the headline.

The headline (together with the subheading) contains three factoids. 2 of them (baby parts + crime against women) tend to undermine the third one (motive unknown). The third one comes from an official source, so it cannot be ignored or hidden. It’s not CNN’s conclusion. But by juxtaposing it with the first two CNN balances out the cop source’s equivocation, IMHO.
A news item is not like a blogger’s post, where claims can be directly mocked.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:48:40am

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Christian Western Civilizationist” — fancy neologism for “white supremacist”

Same label could be applied to Dylann Roof, Chuck Johnson or Milo Yiannapoulus, as well.

Not to be confused with “Civilization Fourists”.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:50:15am

re: #117 darthstar

Touche. But isn’t a misleading headline more important? Obviously, I assumed they sugar coated based on the headline.

WSJ is on it…new clues leading to risky headlines.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:52:07am

re: #105 Nyet

Libertarianism, as he notes, seems to be strictly an American thing, despite Rand being born in Russia. I would assume most Europeans, and Asians for that matter, would assume it’s a fancy word for anarchy.

Interesting that he’s traveled the world, found that few people understand libertarianism, and from that experience, abandoned libertarianism and became a “Christian Western Civilizationist.” Essentially, he’s saying he learned nothing from his globe-trotting and has retreated further into his little fantasy world of white glory.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:52:53am

re: #121 darthstar

WSJ is on it…new clues leading to risky headlines.

Dipping a toe in the water oh so very carefully.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:54:33am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Not to be confused with “Civilization Fourists”.

I’m a Civ Two-ist, myself. Sid Meiers left me behind years ago.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:56:01am

Motive unknown:

How did the media come up with a motive so quickly for the Paris shootings if they didn’t get a statement from any of the people who did it?

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:58:19am

re: #125 b.d.

Motive unknown:

How did the media come up with a motive so quickly for the Paris shootings if they didn’t get a statement from any of the people who did it?

The terrorists screaming “Allahu akbar!” might have been a tiny hint… but who knows, right? Could have easily been a right-wing false flag op./

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Decatur Deb  Nov 29, 2015 • 5:58:48am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m a Civ Two-ist, myself. Sid Meiers left me behind years ago.

Using IV to teach the grandkid the alphabet. He is already capable of making strategic responses based on the rules he knows. (“Frederick has declared war on me. I need to get my warriors back to the city.”)

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:00:25am

re: #126 Nyet

The terrorists screaming “Allahu akbar!” might have been a tiny hint… but who knows, right? Could have easily been a right-wing false flag op./

Allahu akbar is a motive? Why did they shoot up Paris, because they are Muslim or because they are terrorists? What would the motive be if Dear shouted “John 3:16”?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:04:02am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Using IV to teach the grandkid the alphabet. He is already capable of making strategic responses based on the rules he knows. (“Frederick has declared war on me. I need to get my warriors back to the city.”)

Has he encountered Gandhi yet?

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:04:06am

re: #128 b.d.

Allahu akbar is a motive? Why did they shoot up Paris, because they are Muslim or because they are terrorists? What would the motive be if Dear shouted “John 3:16”?

Allahu akbar meant they were Islamic terrorists. That’s the motive. I don’t know what other motive, reported in the media, you mean. Got anything specific?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:05:03am
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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:05:52am

re: #128 b.d.

Allahu akbar is a motive? Why did they shoot up Paris, because they are Muslim or because they are terrorists? What would the motive be if Dear shouted “John 3:16”?

He’s mistakenly believing he’s at a sporting event? /

Sometimes the easiest explanation is the most likely one - based on where the incident occurred you’re going to be able to suss a motive.

If a shooting happens at a business, it could be disgruntled employee, and then the motive could change depending on the kind of business.

If it happens at a place where lots of people congregate, terrorism has to be considered, plus the run-of-the-mill mass shooter/spree killer (pathetic that it’s run-of-the-mill and/or that it isn’t also considered domestic terrorism, though terrorism requires specific kinds of motives).

Targeting specific groups and locations for their location, meaning, and what they represent? That’ll lean towards terrorism.

And if it happens to be Port Authority of NY/NJ? The assumption is terrorism. Terrorists have a hard-on for PA properties - since before 1993.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:07:49am
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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:16:44am

Morning. Holiday officially over. Buddy’s doggies well cared for and happy, no going to a kennel. And the last laps of another Formula One race season roll by.

Reading through this thread is fun. I keep getting flashes of a big box store where you can go to buy your religion, political, arts, food, fashion and other identities.

Don’t want to be a libertarian any longer, chuck that libertarian stance in the trash and go out and buy the strict white man conservative kit. We have all the departments: left, right, center, insane!

Sick and tired of the humdrum life of an American Roman Catholic…how far do you want to go? Our aisles are stocked with everything from Hasidic Judaism to Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church.

And if you are finally over your moody fine artist dressed in all black period, we can dress you in the finest American Country Styles and you can take up discovering Early American `Naive’ Art and living a more clean country lifestyle.

And if you really want to buy in, we offer extended commitment packages! Or you can just go with the stock 90 day guarantee. Some people like the ability to change every few months.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:17:19am

“And you might not care if Donald Trump says he’s going to round up all the Hispanic immigrants, because you’re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump says it’s okay to rough up black protesters, because you’re not one. And you might not care if Donald Trump wants to suppress journalists, because you’re not one. But think about this: If he keeps going, and he actually becomes president, he might just get around to you. And you better hope there’s someone left to help you.”

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:21:08am

re: #130 Nyet

re: #132 lawhawk

I guess the point that I was trying to convey and failed miserably at is that the Paris attacks were immediately called out as a terror attack while the media in the US seem to be scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened.

I saw a tweet earlier this weekend that stated that we might as well come out and admit that we won’t call anything a terrorist attack unless it is done by a Muslim.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:22:42am

Motives unkown.

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wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:23:44am

FOP’s account is locked.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:27:30am

re: #137 darthstar

Motives unkown.

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That dude is determined to go down in flames.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:31:12am

re: #137 darthstar

Motives unkown.

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“activist”

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:32:47am

re: #139 ObserverArt

That dude is determined to go down in flames.

Hell’s Angels in AZ wouldn’t prospect the guy so he’s looking prove himself in a different way. This guy respects convicts because he likes their tattoos.

I hope he gets taken out before he hurts innocents.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:38:16am

re: #138 wrenchwench

What the Hell?

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:43:01am

re: #142 A Mom Anon

What the Hell?

Creative excuse making with a heavy ‘they asked for it’ undertone.

It’s sickening.

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WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:44:54am

re: #23 teleskiguy

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:47:08am
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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:47:29am

re: #145 darthstar

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:48:54am

re: #95 Nyet

By this time the label of “libertarian” (without modifiers, like “left-libertarian” or “libertarian socialist”) only tells you with great probability that the person is a follower of the Austrian school of economics. (And probably an asshole.)

Depends on which Austrian. If they open with and use Mises, then they’re an asshole. If they open with Hayek and stick with him, then they’re in the mainstream and much less likely to be an asshole.

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Sionainn  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:50:10am

re: #144 WhatEVs

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That was perfect. Thank you for asking that question. It’s exactly what I’ve been wondering, but not in such nice terms.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:52:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 6:53:56am

re: #116 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, that’s the one! Yes. Knowing she would never agree to an R-rated movie, I figured a Disney fantasy would be safe. Little did I know …

On a similar note, there were some bluenoses upset that the live-action Cinderella with Lily James showed too much cleavage for a children’s movie. Not that most children would be paying attention to Lily James’ cleavage.

Some people need to get a life.

Lily James didn’t have all that much cleavage. There was more complaining that her corseted waistline was “body shaming”

Cate Blanchette had the most kickass costumes and a tinier waist than Lily James.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:05:42am

Mr. “I’d Deploy the National Guard to Stop Abortion” says what?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:06:27am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Lily James didn’t have all that much cleavage. There was more complaining that her corseted waistline was “body shaming”

Cate Blanchette had the most kickass costumes and a tinier waist than Lily James.

I confess that I watch movies for entertainment value. I don’t watch movies to rank them on some arbitrary set of rules of appropriate costuming. Corsets were common until the 1930s, AFAIK. The movie was set in some mythical “long ago” when corsets were de rigueur for women. Those complainers need to get a life, too.

But you’re right about Cate. Her dead husband must have left her a bundle to buy clothes. Poor Ella only had that one blue gown from Fairy Godmother for one evening.

I’d watch Lily James act in a burlap sack.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:07:01am

re: #143 ObserverArt

Creative excuse making with a heavy ‘they asked for it’ undertone.

It’s sickening.

It’s not “They asked for it” applied to Planned Parenthood, though. It’s the Colorado Fraternal Order of Police going “On Tilt” at Black Lives Matter in a nasty and foolish way. Saying “The shooter only lived because he was white!1” is a often not-true remark, and it can be countered by saying:

No, our officers work to ensure they do not to kill when they do not have to. In this sort of situation we try very hard to prevent further loss of life, even that of a criminal.

But that’s not what Colorado’s FOP did. What they did was use the remark go after #BLM in an ugly manner, complete allegations of ‘race baiting’. The ‘King Hit’, as our British friends would say, comes early on with the sentence “You see for us all live matter.” That line is used by those seeking to marginalize BLM and is carries with it the connotation that its leadership only cares about black people.

The letter then touches on the death of Michael Brown and mentions the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” chant which has since fallen into disuse due to the release of forensic evidence in the brown case. #BLM is not using that chant currently, but the FOP acts as if it is.

Overall, I found the Colorado FOP statement unnecessarily combative, dishonest, and very painful to read.*

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:08:01am

*: I can hear at higher frequencies than most people (genetic, from my mother), and the dog whistle the FOP was blowing is very painful for me.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:10:12am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

The FOP is playing the brown note.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:11:01am

re: #135 Lidane

Kasich is a part of the party that created the Frankentrump. Too little, too late.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:11:47am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

It’s not “They asked for it” applied to Planned Parenthood, though. It’s the Colorado Fraternal Order of Police going “On Tilt” at Black Lives Matter in a nasty and foolish way. Saying “The shooter only lived because he was white!1” is a often not-true remark, and it can be countered by saying:

But that’s not what Colorado’s FOP did. What they did was use the remark go after #BLM in an ugly manner, complete allegations of ‘race baiting’. The ‘King Hit’, as our British friends would say, comes early on with the sentence “You see for us all live matter.” That line is used by those seeking to marginalize BLM and is carries with it the connotation that its leadership only cares about black people.

The letter then touches on the death of Michael Brown and mentions the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” chant which has since fallen into disuse due to the release of forensic evidence in the brown case. #BLM is not using that chant currently, but the FOP acts as if it is.

Overall, I found the Colorado FOP statement unnecessarily combative, dishonest, and very painful to read.*

“All lives matter” has the same connotations as “White Power” and “White pride.” Not the best message to send your non-white constituents.

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:12:45am

re: #143 ObserverArt

And now was the time to be an asshole about it? Do your fucking job and protect the people, like the cop who was murdered by a fanatical terrorist. And yes, people are right to draw comparisons, when this asshole and Dylan Roof were taken alive and people of color who didn’t do anything so heinous were shot dead, dead and then some. FoP isn’t helping, their job isn’t to trash civilians or promote an us vs them rationale.

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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:13:50am
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darthstar  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:15:15am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:16:23am

re: #158 A Mom Anon

And now was the time to be an asshole about it? Do your fucking job and protect the people, like the cop who was murdered by a fanatical terrorist. And yes, people are right to draw comparisons, when this asshole and Dylan Roof were taken alive and people of color who didn’t do anything so heinous were shot dead, dead and then some. FoP isn’t helping, their job isn’t to trash civilians or promote an us vs them rationale.

Surely, there must be some cops somewhere asking themselves how can white murderers get apprehended without much bodily harm, while black men and women end up dead or beaten up for misdemeanors or less. I can’t believe all cops are so stupid as to miss the dichotomy.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:18:15am

re: #155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The FOP is playing the brown note.

What is “the brown note”?

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:18:23am

re: #160 darthstar

Carson is a disgusting idiot and needs to STFU.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:18:47am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

What is “the brown note”?

A legend…

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:18:51am

re: #159 darthstar

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Todd today on MTP was funny. If an establishment guy lied like Trump then Todd would have furrowed his brow and commented on how interesting the guy’s views were.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:19:51am

I await the day when the State Department warns expats that one of the world’s danger zones is the USA, and they should return home cautiously.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:20:23am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Surely, there must be some cops somewhere asking themselves how can white murderers get apprehended without much bodily harm, while black men and women end up dead or beaten up for misdemeanors or less. I can’t believe all cops are so stupid as to miss the dichotomy.

When it comes to trying to address the dichotomy, I find that the question police defenders simply cannot answer is “Why didn’t any of the other officers fire their weapons at LaQuan McDonald?”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:21:16am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

What is “the brown note”?

From wiki:
“The brown note is a hypothetical infrasonic frequency that would cause humans to lose control of their bowels due to resonance. Attempts to demonstrate the existence of a “brown note” using sound waves transmitted through air have failed. The name is a metonym for the common color of human feces.”

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:22:31am

re: #160 darthstar

Tell you what Ben, you can tell our side to tone it down when we’re shooting up and bombing Operation Rescue offices or hunting down Army of God members and posting their personal info online, inviting assassination. Or when we’re sitting in front of their houses or businesses protesting with disgusting signs and spouting lies about what they do all over all types of media. Then, maybe we’ll tone it the fuck down. When your side is being murdered by our side of this shit, that your side started with lies and deception and self righteousness, not to mention a lack of understanding basic human biology, then maybe, you can run your mouth. Until then STFU.

We should NOT still be having this fight. Abortion is legal. Period. Full stop. Shooting people isn’t.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:23:08am

Another police officer killed

Another thug arrested

Obviously “Black Lives Matter” is to blame

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:23:18am

re: #168 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

From wiki:
“The brown note is a hypothetical infrasonic frequency that would cause humans to lose control of their bowels due to resonance. Attempts to demonstrate the existence of a “brown note” using sound waves transmitted through air have failed. The name is a metonym for the common color of human feces.”

Perhaps someone at Claremont McKenna discovered it a few years ago, and tried it out in a dormitory …

It could explain a lot.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:24:59am

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

What is “the brown note”?

Brown Noise

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:26:10am

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

DUDE?!?! I know it’s hypothetical and all that, but just in case, I’m not clicking on that.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:27:03am

re: #173 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

DUDE?!?! I know it’s hypothetical and all that, but just in case, I’m not clicking on that.

It’s the South Park episode…LOL

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:27:45am

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

OK I clicked!

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:28:00am

re: #168 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I see. So the ‘brown note’ means the Colorado FOP is losing its shit. On LGF this is also called an “Chuckie C. Johnson Moment”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:28:59am

O_o

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:30:11am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:30:52am

re: #144 WhatEVs

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A Mom Anon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:31:24am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

So was the murder of Dr Tiller also terrorism, Mikey? Or the other bombings and shootings and murders? Just wondering….

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:31:53am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Huck, having his cake and eating it too.

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:32:15am

re: #132 lawhawk

And if it happens to be Port Authority of NY/NJ? The assumption is terrorism. Terrorists have a hard-on for PA properties - since before 1993.

Disgruntled commuters, angry that people have to spend so much time waiting in place. If people could move through the room quicker, if they didn’t have to congregate in clumps, I wouldn’t have been able to shoot as many, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:33:00am

re: #146 darthstar

Carson: Both sides in abortion debate need to tone down rhetoric after shooting

The Magic Butcher Fairy is coming out in mysterious ways

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:35:58am

re: #178 Lidane

Huckabee isn’t changing his incitement, even today.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:36:38am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:36:52am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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HE’s seriously trying to make the pro life movement inot th victims here? Fuck him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:37:44am

re: #184 jaunte

Huckabee isn’t changing his incitement, even today.

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Yeah well fuck you too Mike. MBF fuckwad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:39:17am

re: #184 jaunte

Huckabee isn’t changing his incitement, even today.

Magic Butcher Fairy

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:41:07am

In my humble opinion, criticism of “the media”/the MSM should be unceasing (hence MediaMatters, etc), but should not fall into the trap of nihilism.

This perspective of mine is informed by the right-wing dismissal of “the media” worldwide. My personal observation is that the loudest cries against “the MSM” have always been on the right. Remember the “Communist News Network”?

In the German-language sphere the terms “Lügenpresse” and “Lügenmedien” (the lies-press, the lies-media) are usually associated with reactionary politics. Wanna see some Putinversteher praising reactionary Russia? Wanna see the immigrants-rape-our-wimmin news? Wanna see every sort of conspiracy theories? Type in “Lügenmedien”/”Lügenpresse” - the term that was made popular by the Nazis.

Russia Today, Sputnik TV et al. are playing on this resentment, and successfully.

The liberal approach should be critical, but not dismissive in toto.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:42:23am

Listening to Trump triple-down on his reports of dancing in the streets on Meet The Chuck. “Cool out Chuck!”

And now he is talking about PP videos and how many people are upset by them.

Help us!

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:43:23am

So far Huckabee and Carson have proven themselves both stupid and fanatical on the issue of abortion. Ted Cruz had already shown how to put out a minimal statement carefully designed to contain no elements that would piss off his base while still not sounding like an asshole, but those two can’t do that. Instead they’ve both decided to be complete assholes by playing the victim card in a situation that clearly does not call for it.

I therefore predict Cruz will overtake Carson in the polls before the Iowa caucuses. They’re going for the same audience, but Cruz is showing himself to be smarter politically.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:45:22am
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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:46:28am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

In the end, the nominee will be Rubio. Cruz might overtake Carson in Iowa and Trump will eventually fade, but Ted Cruz is a completely unlikable asshole. Even other Republicans hate him.

Being a presidential nominee requires charisma. Cruz lacks it.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:48:31am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:48:34am

re: #193 Lidane

In the end, the nominee will be Rubio. Cruz might overtake Carson in Iowa and Trump will eventually fade, but Ted Cruz is a completely unlikable asshole. Even other Republicans hate him.

Being a presidential nominee requires charisma. Cruz lacks it.

Nixon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:48:43am

re: #193 Lidane

In the end, the nominee will be Rubio. Cruz might overtake Carson in Iowa and Trump will eventually fade, but Ted Cruz is a completely unlikable asshole. Even other Republicans hate him.

Being a presidential nominee requires charisma. Cruz lacks it.

Rubio is Romney wearing a “Working-Class Hispanic” costume, but he’s only working for the super-rich.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:48:50am

Ted Cruz proudly associates with crazy people.

Ted Cruz boasts about endorsement from anti-gay pastor and convicted stalker Flip Benham
rawstory.com

Cruz Touts Endorsement Of Radical Anti-Choice Activist Troy Newman
rightwingwatch.org

Newman argued in his 2003 book, “Their Blood Cries Out,” that the biblical duty of government “rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people.”

Ted Cruz attends conference organized by a radical right-wing pastor who has defended the death penalty for homosexuality
rightwingwatch.org

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:49:38am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Rubio is Romney wearing a “Working-Class Hispanic” costume, but he’s only working for the super-rich.

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Oh, I agree. Rubio is just as awful as the rest of them. My point is that of all the shitty choices the GOP voters have this time around, they’re going to look at Rubio and decide he’s the least terrible option.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:49:43am

Chuck Todd: “Are we living in a post truth world?”

Uhhh…do you watch your fucking show???

And Hugh Hewitt (yuk yuk) says whoever promises a safe world wins.

Only a promise.

Again…a few million lonely voices yell out…help us!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:50:38am

re: #197 jaunte

Ted Cruz proudly associates with crazy people.

Gets it from his father.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:52:50am

All right, you convinced me. I’m watching Fargo season 1 starting this weekend. Just finished the first episode.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:54:03am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:55:45am

re: #197 jaunte

Ted Cruz proudly associates with crazy people.

Ted Cruz attends conference organized by a radical right-wing pastor who has defended the death penalty for homosexuality
rightwingwatch.org

His dad is the craziest.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 7:58:27am

re: #203 I Would Prefer Not To

Ted’s a little craftier about keeping it hidden.

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:03:18am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

All right, you convinced me. I’m watching Fargo season 1 starting this weekend. Just finished the first episode.

You won’t regret it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:03:39am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Rubio is Romney wearing a “Working-Class Hispanic” costume, but he’s only working for the super-rich.

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There was a nice article about how although Rubio is young, he’s failing to gain traction with young people. The GOP candidate that has gotten the most youth support is Paul. There was a good quote in there too, that Rubio is an older person’s idea of what a young person should be. Apparently it was a Michael Kinsley quote on Al Gore originally.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:04:10am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

All right, you convinced me. I’m watching Fargo season 1 starting this weekend. Just finished the first episode.

Oh enjoy. You’re going to be hooked.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:05:01am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:05:24am

re: #192 Lidane

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Says the guy struggling ot poll above 10%. Trump’s deadly serious and that should scare the crap out of Jeb.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:06:57am

re: #208 jaunte

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Honestly, it annoys me to no end how he’s just brusehd off as mentally disturbed. HE could well be but we need to face the facts that these murderers aren’t always “crazy.” I think it’s really because it’s easier to just brush it off as a crazy rather than confronting the reality.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:07:59am

re: #210 HappyWarrior

There has been a tremendous amount of agitation leading up to the shootings.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:08:42am

re: #211 jaunte

There has been a tremendous amount of agitation leading up to the shootings.

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Tehre certainly has. Shades of Dr. Tiller’s murder and the role O’Reilly played in it.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:12:08am

Fiorina: It’s the left’s fault.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:12:10am

re: #202 Nyet

Good?

Oh, ja!

But you have to have liked the movie to like the show. It’s a very dark comedy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:31am

re: #213 jaunte

Fiorina: It’s the left’s fault.

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Oh fuck you Carly. Really fuck you. You lie about the fucking video and then some asshole shoots up a PP facility based on the lies you spread and you blame the fucking left. Wingers love to talk about personal responsibility but they never take any for themselves.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:33am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, ja!

But you have to have liked the movie to like the show. It’s a very dark comedy.

I didn’t dislike the movie… but didn’t quite “like” it either. I love dark comedy in general though. Guess I’m gonna give it a chance.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:40am

(rant) When I’m king of the world (and my secret plan to be KOTW is still on schedule for 2145 AD), I’m going to make it the law of the land that waiters who don’t write it down surrender half of their tip. (/rant)

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:55am

re: #208 jaunte

Jamil Smith ✔ @JamilSmith

Trump, on @meetthepress, spoke about the @PPact videos as if they were a legitimate inspiration for the murderer.

11:03 AM - 29 Nov 2015 * Lima, OH, United States

If he is going to accept a report about a report that was denied about dancing in the streets…the PP videos are a history book and an indictment on PP.

When Trump first started out it was a bit of a joke to watch him. Anymore he is just flat out repulsive to me. There is no longer a joke to him. He is The Ugly American - TRUMP®

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:56am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Oh enjoy. You’re going to be hooked.

The acting is really superb.

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dharmamark  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:13:59am

re: #213 jaunte

Fiorina: It’s the left’s fault.

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Yes, using logic…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:14:55am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The acting is really superb.

Yeah it is and the dialogue is great too.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:15:50am

re: #184 jaunte

Huckabee isn’t changing his incitement, even today.

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I saw thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:15:55am

re: #216 Nyet

I didn’t dislike the movie… but didn’t quite “like” it either. I love dark comedy in general though. Guess I’m gonna give it a chance.

The first episode begins a little slowly, but gets interesting by the halfway point. I won’t spoil it for you by providing details.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:16:07am

re: #222 b.d.

I saw thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack.

I saw it too!

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:16:35am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Magic Butcher Fairy

When they’re response is “both sides” then they know they’re on the wrong side.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:16:39am

Russia unveils its body armour for DOGS following the death of police hound Diesel in Paris

A Russian defence company has released a new design of body armour to keep terror-sniffing police dogs safe in the wake of the death of French police dog Diesel, who died during a police raid in Paris following the Friday 13th terror attacks.

The armour has reportedly been designed by St. Petersburg-based Scientific Production Association of Special Materials (NPO), which was formed during the days of the Soviet Union as a specialist armoured materials laboratory.

The so-called ‘Nord body armour’ consists of two parts, protecting both the neck and chest of the brave pooch and additional armour is also available for the legs and head if required.

Tragedy for most people is opportunity for defense and law enforcement contractors.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:17:02am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:17:03am

re: #222 b.d.

I saw thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack.

So did I!

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:18:10am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So did I!

Wow, that sums up to 3000! /wingnut math

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:18:51am

re: #222 b.d.

I saw thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack.

Well, if you were in a helicopter and saw that, why didn’t you open fire? You could have slaughtered your enemies!

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:18:54am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So did I!

I remember it vividly

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:19:38am

I did too. The lamestream media is covering up the truth!

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:20:27am

re: #231 b.d.

I remember it vividly

I was right there too, I was with Brian Williams who can confirm it.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:21:19am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Well, if you were in a helicopter and saw that, why didn’t you open fire? You could have slaughtered your enemies!

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I wasn’t in a helicopter. I saw on TV thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack just like thousands and millions of other people did too. I have a very sharp memory, probably the best one in the world.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:22:04am

re: #234 b.d.

I wasn’t in a helicopter. I saw on TV thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack just like thousands and millions of other people did too. I have a very sharp memory, probably the best one in the world.

YOUR MEMORY IS YUUUUUUGGE!!!

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:22:07am

re: #234 b.d.

I wasn’t in a helicopter. I saw on TV thousands of people on the roof of Huckabee’s church cheering the Planned Parenthood attack just like thousands and millions of other people did too. I have a very sharp memory, probably the best one in the world.

Is your memory as huge and classy as mine though?

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:22:11am

re: #233 Nyet

I was right there too, I was with Brian Williams who can confirm it.

Impossible. You’d have been in an Mi-17 or Mi-26 and those black helicopters were clearly Blackhawks and Chinooks.

/

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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:24:04am

I wonder if Clinton and Sanders have memorized the fact that Twitter didn’t exist until 2006? I suspect we’ll start getting “I saw people tweeting about the cheering.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:25:55am

re: #238 Belafon

I wonder if Clinton and Sanders have memorized the fact that Twitter didn’t exist until 2006? I suspect we’ll start getting “I saw people tweeting about the cheering.”

Given that there people out there who think Obama was president during Hurricane Katrina and 9/11, that would not shock me..

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:27:24am

re: #238 Belafon

I wonder if Clinton and Sanders have memorized the fact that Twitter didn’t exist until 2006? I suspect we’ll start getting “I saw people tweeting about the cheering.”

ur lying lib, twitter com existed in 2001. it is under robots.txt protection now, what do they have hide huh, huuuuh?

web.archive.org

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:28:35am

Time for bed for this guy. See you later on, all.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:29:31am

re: #238 Belafon

I wonder if Clinton and Sanders have memorized the fact that Twitter didn’t exist until 2006? I suspect we’ll start getting “I saw people tweeting about the cheering.”

When did Al Gore invent teh Twitter?

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WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:29:41am

re: #213 jaunte

Fiorina: It’s the left’s fault.

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Fuck this raging c**t. Fiorina epitomizes every single thing that’s wrong with this country from profiting on the backs of others to lying every time she opens her disgusting pie hole.

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b.d.  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:30:23am

bbl, off to the gym to get rid of some turkey fat.

:P

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:31:20am

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Depends on which Austrian. If they open with and use Mises, then they’re an asshole. If they open with Hayek and stick with him, then they’re in the mainstream and much less likely to be an asshole.

When I studied economics at Pitt in the 70s, the economics department was split between Milton Friedman on one side and Mieses/Hayek/Rothbard on the other side.

Mieses, Hayek & Rothard are the Three Stooges of Laissez Fairyland bullshit. All three of them are assholes!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:32:09am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:32:36am

re: #213 jaunte

Fiorina: It’s the left’s fault.

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Attack
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Offender

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:34:17am

re: #245 Joe Bacon

When I studied economics at Pitt in the 70s, the economics department was split between Milton Friedman on one side and Mieses/Hayek/Rothbard on the other side.

Mieses, Hayek & Rothard are the Three Stooges of Laissez Fairyland bullshit. All three of them are assholes!

I always appreciated Keynes since I think Keynes understood reality better than those three did. Von Mises’ big thing is theory at the expense of real life, observable data. And I think you can’t do economics by ignoring data. Theory is important yes but reality too.

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Bird in the Paw  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:35:02am

re: #135 Lidane

Lawsuit waiting in the south wing.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:36:07am
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Belafon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:36:20am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I always appreciated Keynes since I think Keynes understood reality better than those three did. Von Mises’ big thing is theory at the expense of real life, observable data. And I think you can’t do economics by ignoring data. Theory is important yes but reality too.

If you’re going to use it to make decisions, it had better be testable by data. If you’re ignoring data, then it’s just a mental exercise, and is useless.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:37:27am

re: #245 Joe Bacon

When I studied economics at Pitt in the 70s, the economics department was split between Milton Friedman on one side and Mieses/Hayek/Rothbard on the other side.

Mieses, Hayek & Rothard are the Three Stooges of Laissez Fairyland bullshit. All three of them are assholes!

One problem is that many people focus on Hayek vs. Keyes and don’t look at how Hayek’s views grew and changed later on. He came to understand and accept the role of government in was that Mieses and Rothbard never did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:38:35am

re: #251 Belafon

If you’re going to use it to make decisions, it had better be testable by data. If you’re ignoring data, then it’s just a mental exercise, and is useless.

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:40:27am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:40:40am

Anyhow another big strike against the Von Mises(Von Miseans?) is that a lot of them are slavery and CSA apologists. I don’t know how an Austrian philosopher born a generation after the passage of the 13th amendment has so many adherents that think slavery wasn’t so bad but it’s one of my big problems aside from the absolutism I got at before. Economics at heart is a social science since you’re dealing with the study of people IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:41:19am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t see how it’s anything but. The guy was fanatially anti-abortion and shot up a PP to make PP and the women that go there scared. That’s terrorism. Just because he wasn’t Muslim and wasn’t shouting in Arabic doesn’t change it. Terrorism comes in all flavors. It is in Ulster, it is in Colorado Springs, it is in Paris, etc.

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Unabogie  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:44:08am

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that a guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:44:08am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:45:17am

re: #257 Unabogie

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

It’s just their looking for an excuse. But yeah it’s very clearly a clerical error but when you grasp at straws all the time, this happens.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:45:47am

I wait with baited breath for Carly to reply to this!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:46:07am

re: #258 jaunte

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“Anti-Christian activist”, yeah that makes one sound like an asshole as does “Anti-Muslim activist”, guess which one has a healthy cottage industry though egged on by a major political party though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:46:23am

re: #257 Unabogie

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

He doesn’t “identify as a woman” he checked the wrong box on a form.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:46:26am

re: #260 Joe Bacon

I wait with baited breath for Carly to reply to this!

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It’s the left’s fault of course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:46:48am

re: #257 Unabogie

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

The assailant is a walking indictment of how spreading toxic lies can have fatal consequences. Thus the serious gear being brought into service.

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Unabogie  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:47:29am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck you Carly. Really fuck you. You lie about the fucking video and then some asshole shoots up a PP facility based on the lies you spread and you blame the fucking left. Wingers love to talk about personal responsibility but they never take any for themselves.

This answers my only real question: “is Fiorina capable of showing the slightest bit of regret or self-reflection”. The answer is a resounding “NOPE!”

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:48:01am

re: #257 Unabogie

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

It’s like anyone who exceeds the speed limit is an “unrepentant lawbreaker.”

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:49:37am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Anyhow another big strike against the Von Mises(Von Miseans?) is that a lot of them are slavery and CSA apologists. I don’t know how an Austrian philosopher born a generation after the passage of the 13th amendment has so many adherents that think slavery wasn’t so bad but it’s one of my big problems aside from the absolutism I got at before. Economics at heart is a social science since you’re dealing with the study of people IMO.

Add Gary North in with that. My mom’s pastor tried to ram Gary North down my throat when I was at college. I told him to take Gary North and shove it up his ass. That pastor was a hard core Bircher. I will admit that I got one good thing out of that. More than anyone else, he turned me off of religious bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:53:16am

re: #267 Joe Bacon

Add Gary North in with that. My mom’s pastor tried to ram Gary North down my throat when I was at college. I told him to take Gary North and shove it up his ass. That pastor was a hard core Bircher. I will admit that I got one good thing out of that. More than anyone else, he turned me off of religious bullshit.

Oh yeah for sure. Anyone who tries to minimize the reality of American slavery gets tuned off by me.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:55:18am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hm. Just as a point of order so to speak, how far out the mental illness spectrum can a shooter be and still be thought of as a terrorist first and sick as an afterthought? Contrast this guy with the ISIS guys in Paris, well now thats a bona fide terrorist cell. Serious question here on the definitions for conversations.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:55:27am

Well add Buffalo Wild Wings as another place the gun fucks will be boycotting. They apparently ban guns from their premises as well. I really want to know why the fuck you need a gun when you’re eating chicken wings. Okay, you want one on you when you’re walking around in public, I can get behind that a little. But you don’t need one when you’re dining. Sigh. Sad thing is the guy who posted this crap is a guy I genuinely like and respect but he’s off his rocker when it comes to guns.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:55:29am

Enhanced video released by prosecutors ‘appears to show Tamir Rice, 12, reaching for pellet gun’ moments before he was fatally shot by police

An enhanced video released by prosecutors of the death of Tamir Rice appears to show the 12-year-old boy reaching for his pellet gun moments before he was fatally shot by police.

The slightly clearer still images will be presented to a grand jury that will decide if patrolman Timothy Loehmann or officer Frank Garmback should be charged over the death of Tamir last November.

The two videos do not appear to show any new substantive movement but an annotation on one of the clips suggests Tamir moved his hand towards his waistband in the instant before he was shot.

The still images were taken by a security camera at Cudell Recreation Center. They show different angles than video of the incident previously released.

SNIP

Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Tim McGinty said the new footage was released in the ‘spirit of openness’.

‘Once again … we are not reaching any conclusions from these or other isolated bits of evidence,’ McGinty said. ‘Individually they are simply pieces of a complex puzzle.’

I get the distinct impression that the fix is in.

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Lidane  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:55:44am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Anyhow another big strike against the Von Mises(Von Miseans?) is that a lot of them are slavery and CSA apologists. I don’t know how an Austrian philosopher born a generation after the passage of the 13th amendment has so many adherents that think slavery wasn’t so bad but it’s one of my big problems aside from the absolutism I got at before. Economics at heart is a social science since you’re dealing with the study of people IMO.

I will never forget the hardcore Mises fanboy I would debate online a decade ago. He babbled endlessly about praxeology in one breath then he’d tell me that Abe Lincoln was a genocidal tyrant with the next.

That guy was a fucking nutcase.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:55:54am

re: #260 Joe Bacon

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:56:27am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Well add Buffalo Wild Wings as another place the gun fucks will be boycotting. They apparently ban guns from their premises as well. I really want to know why the fuck you need a gun when you’re eating chicken wings. Okay, you want one on you when you’re walking around in public, I can get behind that a little. But you don’t need one when you’re dining. Sigh. Sad thing is the guy who posted this crap is a guy I genuinely like and respect but he’s off his rocker when it comes to guns.

Link please.

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Unabogie  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:56:33am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for sure. Anyone who tries to minimize the reality of American slavery gets tuned off by me.

What, you mean that time when workers emigrated to America to help do some farming for really nice employers?
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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:56:48am

re: #260 Joe Bacon

I wait with baited breath for Carly to reply to this!

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Rt’d as fast as my mouse could run. And I have cats…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:56:56am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Enhanced video released by prosecutors ‘appears to show Tamir Rice, 12, reaching for pellet gun’ moments before he was fatally shot by police

SNIP

I get the distinct impression that the fix is in.

And yet the police still got Robert Dear alive after he killed people. I don’t buy this crap at all and I am sick of the police getting a pass for killing citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:57:11am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Link please.

Facebook no can do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:57:57am

re: #273 jaunte

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That’s a home run.

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makeitstop  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:58:29am

I’m thinking this ‘off the grid’ crap about the Planned Parenthood shooter is probably crap, too.

If he’s off the grid, how would he know about the whole ‘babby parts’ thing?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:58:42am

re: #272 Lidane

I will never forget the hardcore Mises fanboy I would debate online a decade ago. He babbled endlessly about praxeology in one breath then he’d tell me that Abe Lincoln was a genocidal tyrant with the next.

That guy was a fucking nutcase.

They think Lincoln was a tyrant but then you point out that the CSA suppressed secession movements within it and they go silent.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:58:55am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

And yet the police still got Robert Dear alive after he killed people. I don’t buy this crap at all and I am sick of the police getting a pass for killing citizens.

Yep. Dear actually killed a police officer and yet was taken alive. He was armed and dangerous and yet was taken alive.

Why can’t the same be done for Blacks who need to be apprehended — especially those who are unarmed?

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:59:24am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Enhanced video released by prosecutors ‘appears to show Tamir Rice, 12, reaching for pellet gun’ moments before he was fatally shot by police

SNIP

I get the distinct impression that the fix is in.

In the 31-page document, the investigators stated that officer Loehmann and his partner Frank Garmback placed themselves in harm’s way by driving within feet of Rice before shooting him.

According to the critical report, the officers’ poor tactical decision-making as well as systemic failures within the department resulted in the death of a child that was “completely unavoidable…and should never have occurred.”

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dholmes32  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:59:34am

re: #151 Lidane

Mr. “I’d Deploy the National Guard to Stop Abortion” says what?

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Bullshit!

Here’s Troy Newman in 2003. Newman is one of the founders of the “Center for Medical Progress” and he’s the head of Operation Rescue. The Paul Hill referenced here killed a Pensacola doctor and his security guard back in 1994. Newman thought Hill should be able to present a necessity defense to murder, in that killing a doctor who performs abortion actually saves lives.

Save and repost—this is the real face of “pro-life.”
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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 8:59:56am

re: #282 Patricia Kayden

Yep. Dear actually killed a police officer and yet was taken alive. He was armed and dangerous and was yet taken alive.

Why can’t the same be done for Blacks who need to be apprehended — especially those who are unarmed?

Well it can’t be racism. // But yeah it’s just awfully telling that Tamir Rice had to die and Dear gets captured alive.

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William Lewis  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:00:02am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Enhanced video released by prosecutors ‘appears to show Tamir Rice, 12, reaching for pellet gun’ moments before he was fatally shot by police

SNIP

I get the distinct impression that the fix is in.

Been in since day one since the cop was white & the victim was black. That’s the reality that has to get changed in this nation.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:00:40am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

gun nuts boycott buffalo wild wings
google.com

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:01:12am

Donald Trump Rally Features Circus Elephant Owned by Man Who Was Repeatedly Arrested for Animal Cruelty

Trump Jr. shows his love of animals.

gawker.com

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Unabogie  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:02:10am

re: #288 Skip Intro

Horrible people. No wonder they love Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:02:30am

re: #287 jaunte

gun nuts boycott buffalo wild wings
google.com

So apparently it’s an oldie. Saw something on 2013 there. Again why the fuck do you need a weapon on you while you’re eating? Want a gun at your home, fine by me, it’s not something I personally do but keep your gun out of my family and my way if you’re out in public. IT’s a safety issue not an attack on your precious guns.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:04:31am

I often see the excuse that police have a stressful job. No doubt, they do but would you condone a teacher having a temper tantrum or worse hitting your child? Teachers have a stressful job too. Having a stressful job is no excuse for murder and it’s frankly insulting to the cops out there who do respect people’s rights under the law.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:04:49am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

They walk around every day imagining an imminent attack; it’s a mental problem.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:05:55am

re: #292 jaunte

They walk around every day imagining an imminent attack; it’s a mental problem.

It really is. It must suck to be that paranoid all the time. I mean theoretically I have a problem with people hoarding the guns in their homes too especially if they have children. Learn how to trust people and not see everyone as a threat. Most people are all right people.

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stpaulbear  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:05:58am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

So apparently it’s an oldie. Saw something on 2013 there. Again why the fuck do you need a weapon on you while you’re eating? Want a gun at your home, fine by me, it’s not something I personally do but keep your gun out of my family and my way if you’re out in public. IT’s a safety issue not an attack on your precious guns.

You need a gun when you’re eating in case you need to shoot your waitress in the head. This is not an oldie. Someone posted it on LGF yesterday.

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:07:11am

re: #292 jaunte

They walk around every day imagining an imminent attack; it’s a mental problem.

And the worst part again is how this is somehow painted as the height of vigilance and courage, rather than pants-wetting fear and paranoia.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:07:12am

re: #193 Lidane

In the end, the nominee will be Rubio. Cruz might overtake Carson in Iowa and Trump will eventually fade, but Ted Cruz is a completely unlikable asshole. Even other Republicans hate him.

Being a presidential nominee requires charisma. Cruz lacks it.

I see nobody coming into the GOP convention with a majority of votes. There will be an Open Convention for the first time since 1952 and the party bosses will draft Romney.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:08:04am

re: #280 makeitstop

I’m thinking this ‘off the grid’ crap about the Planned Parenthood shooter is probably crap, too.

If he’s off the grid, how would he know about the whole ‘babby parts’ thing?

And he was able to buy land and a camper with cash in Colorado.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:08:17am

re: #294 stpaulbear

You need a gun when you’re eating in case you need to shoot your waitress in the head. This is not an oldie. Someone posted it on LGF yesterday.

And that’s why I am not so in love with the 2nd amendment as it’s currently interpreted. That’s really fucked up.in so many ways.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:08:45am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Facebook no can do.

Understood but in answer to your statement “But you don’t need [a gun] when you’re dining.” i would answer with the following:

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:08:56am

re: #295 Kryptik

And the worst part again is how this is somehow painted as the height of vigilance and courage, rather than pants-wetting fear and paranoia.

I’ll say it. It’s cowardice. It’s not manly or macho. Seeing everyone as a threat makes you a big fucking coward.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:10:13am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Understood but in answer to your statement “But you don’t need [a gun] when you’re dining.” i would answer with the following:

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

Okay three examples out of literally millions and millions of meals that are had in this country. And there’s no proof that some guy with a gun would have stopped these which is my point and you know that.

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Sionainn  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:11:50am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Understood but in answer to your statement “But you don’t need [a gun] when you’re dining.” i would answer with the following:

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

Oh, don’t forget the two police officers eating lunch in Las Vegas. Whoops! They had guns and they were murdered.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:13:25am

re: #283 Targetpractice

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You don’t have to convince me of that, TP. I knew those two cops’ tactics were bad when I saw the first video. If Tamir Rice really had had a gun and malicious intent he could have killed on or both cops by firing into their windshield as their car approached. Everything about that police response was fucked up.

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stpaulbear  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:14:37am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

And that’s why I am not so in love with the 2nd amendment as it’s currently interpreted. That’s really fucked up.in so many ways.

A quote from the story:

Leastrade [a neighbor of the restaurant] says he knows things can get crazy around the holidays, but it’s unbelievable that Friday’s crime could happen so close to home. He hopes this incident is the last.

“The good, the bad, the ugly of it all is that you know, the individual getting all upset about smoking there’s a lot of tension in the air,” Leastrade said. “You’ve got to practice your attitude……You’ve got to be cautious. Watch how you approach people, watch how they approach you.”

This is how the NRA wants us to live.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:14:49am

One of those. The guy drove through with a truck. I don’t care how well armed or trained you are. That’s going to catch you by surprise. The last one the assilant had multiple weapons. So yeah I am not seeing at all where some amateur with a gun would ahve stopped these. In fact, I see a lot more examples where people with guns cause problems i.e. SPB’s link about the waitress being shot in the head over a fucking cigarette.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:15:59am

re: #304 stpaulbear

A quote from the story:

This is how the NRA wants us to live.

Yep, fear everyone and their little dog too should be the NRA’s motto. It’s a sick way to live.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:16:37am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Okay three examples out of literally millions and millions of meals that are had in this country. And there’s no proof that some guy with a gun would have stopped these which is my point and you know that.

There’s no proof, but it does answer your objection.

Note: my reply is in support of Concealed Carry only. Openly carrying a rifle while you’re acting a cheeseburger only guarantees that if some nutcase or terrorist comes through the door you get shot first.

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stpaulbear  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:18:17am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Understood but in answer to your statement “But you don’t need [a gun] when you’re dining.” i would answer with the following:

So does that mean you feel the need to carry a gun when you’re dining?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:18:20am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

2 events in the 1990s, 1 in the 1980s, none in the 2000s. Yes, an epidemic in restaurant shootings.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:18:44am

re: #257 Unabogie

I’m not sure if anyone has made this point, but how stupid does someone need to be to believe that a guy with short, bushy hair and a long overgrown beard “identifies as a woman” just because some random website has a voter registration that way. Don’t these people have eyes?

You don’t have to be stupid. All you have to be is terribly eager to distance the terrorist from any possible association with you and your allies.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:19:30am

re: #272 Lidane

I will never forget the hardcore Mises fanboy I would debate online a decade ago. He babbled endlessly about praxeology in one breath then he’d tell me that Abe Lincoln was a genocidal tyrant with the next.

That guy was a fucking nutcase.

I remember that all too well from college. Especially the debate I had with a “Christian” Libertarian about the FDA. He said that the FDA wasn’t needed and that the Holy Spirit would guide Christians to buy Consumer Reports and read warnings about tainted foods.

My reply, “So people are going to die for 3-4 weeks before the next issue comes out?”

His reply, “That’s God’s Will”…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:20:16am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

There’s no proof, but it does answer your objection.

Note: my reply is in support of Concealed Carry only. Openly carrying a rifle while you’re acting a cheeseburger only guarantees that if some nutcase or terrorist comes through the door you get shot first.

So you would have linked to Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc if I had inquired to why someone would need a gun in school? I’m not stupid DF. I know shootings have happened at restaurants. There’s a fucking paranoia about people in this country and a restaurant is well within its right to ban guns from its establishment. People who don’t like it are free to boycott of course too I should add but it makes them look like bed wetting pansies and not the tough guys they think tehy are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:21:19am

re: #308 stpaulbear

So does that mean you feel the need to carry a gun when you’re dining?

Right, school shootings happen and let me point this out to you DF, I actually kenw people at Virginia Tech when that shooting happened, it did NOT inspire me to want to have a gun in the class room.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:23:15am

How the hell are we supposed to know if the person who is armed has good intentions or not anyhow? That’s the one thing I can never figure out. I don’t like Roulette being played with my safety by paranoia assholes.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:23:59am

re: #311 Joe Bacon

I remember that all too well from college. Especially the debate I had with a “Christian” Libertarian about the FDA. He said that the FDA wasn’t needed and that the Holy Spirit would guide Christians to buy Consumer Reports and read warnings about tainted foods.

Even the FDA doesn’t get it right all the time, but it sure beats not having it. At least we didn’t have the thalidomide crises the way the rest of the world had it.

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:24:20am

re: #308 stpaulbear

So does that mean you feel the need to carry a gun when you’re dining?

I wouldn’t even if I did, because some people can’t relate to me and the ones that can’t tend to see me as a bad kind of strange. Someone who gives off that impression even rarely is better off not carrying a gun, since in it only takes one juror with a bad vibe about you to hang a jury.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:25:15am

re: #64 Nyet

Inorite. But I learned that it’s more of a stereotype than anything else. Even among Rand-admirers (think two Pauls - Rand and Ryan).

Gary North is a libertarian Christian reconstructionist. Stonings for gay sex and adultery in a libertarian state. Try to wrap your head around this one.

Oh, it can get worse.

Just around the corner from where I live there is the ‘headquarters’ of The New Constitution Party of Canada. (donotlink link)

Here’s their philosophy.

The New Constitution Party of Canada (NCP) is an all-inclusive federal party based on Libertarian doctrine, Christian values, and National Socialist ideology. Our political movement incorporates the intellect of Dr. Ron Paul, the heart of Chancellor Adolf Hitler, and the soul of Jesus Christ, into one powerful political Chimera that will crush the Marxist beast.

Libertarian doctrine is that nothing has authority over the individual save the individual themselves. The State most especially has no power over the individual.

Christian values are based on Christ’s love.

National Socialist ideology was the basis of one of the strongest and most hate-filled States ever.

Obviously their brains are broken because only a broken brain could link these three things together into a single philosophy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:26:26am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

Oh, it can get worse.

Just around the corner from where I live there is the ‘headquarters’ of The New Constitution Party of Canada. (donotlink link)

Here’s their philosophy.

Libertarian doctrine is that nothing has authority over the individual save the individual themselves. The State most especially has no power over the individual.

Christian values are based on Christ’s love.

National Socialist ideology was the basis of one of the strongest and most hate-filled States ever.

Obviously their brains are broken because only a broken brain could link these three things together into a single philosophy.

Libertarians for Hitler?

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:27:47am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

They should call themselves the “Batshit Insane Party” instead, since that at least would be accurate.

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stpaulbear  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:29:15am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

Holy shit. They list Hitler in their mission statement?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:29:18am
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:29:55am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Pilgrims weren’t as bad as the Puritans. Now there was a fun bunch of people. They scorned Baptists and Quakers alike.

Made me think of a Max Weber quote I read a couple of days ago.

All Americans are Protestants whether there realize it or not.

Much of the wingnut ideology is based on the Puritan ideal that evil is everywhere, good people are constantly at war with it and if evil wins the universe will fall. They live every moment of their lives in stinking fear.

It’s why their behaviour is so extreme. War hardens the soul.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:30:29am

Huckabee: knows his audience. Has a low opinion of their intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:30:40am

re: #321 jaunte

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Huckabee said some crap like that’s Obama’s response to Paris. I meanwhile have not gotten told what Quran verse I need to memorize but I’ll use some Irish on Mike here, Pogue Mo Thoin fascist.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:31:05am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

How the hell are we supposed to know if the person who is armed has good intentions or not anyhow? That’s the one thing I can never figure out.

If they’re white, it’s alright (except around PP clinics or black churches or churches where a doctor that performed an abortion attends or a grade school or …, then run).

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Timothy Watson  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:33:14am

re: #321 jaunte

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Will I be able to add Hafiz as a title before my name?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:33:23am

re: #325 Eventual Carrion

If they’re white, it’s alright (except around PP clinics or black churches or churches where a doctor that performed an abortion attends or a grade school or …, then run).

Yep, that’s the thing isn’t it. Honestly until I see some actual responsible behavior, I am going ot take a dim view of “responsible gun ownership.” I hope I don’t mean any offense to the gun owners here but when I read about a waitress being shot in the head over asking to put out a cigarette, a man killed over throwing popcorn, untold number of children that found their guardian’s gun and shot themselves or a sibling or playmate, I am just not buying it. That’s not to say by the way, I don’t believe in responsible gun ownership, I do but I believe a lot of self fancied “responsible gun owners” are not responsible at all and they put society in danger.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:33:59am

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes, indeed. The principle is, if you turn yourself completely over to Christ, you need no longer worry about making decisions on your own. All the right answers will come from Him. True freedom rests on having a set course already decided for you.

Escape From Freedom

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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:34:16am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Huckabee said some crap like that’s Obama’s response to Paris. I meanwhile have not gotten told what Quran verse I need to memorize but I’ll use some Irish on Mike here, Pogue Mo Thoin fascist.

póg mo thóin = “Kiss My Arse”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:34:46am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

póg mo thóin = “Kiss My Arse”.

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:36:45am

Honestly I always felt that Ron Paul’s ideology had certain fascist overtones. It’s just not okay with centralized authoritarianism. Ron’s hypothetically okay with the state of Texas being that just not Washington D.C. And he’s always attracted white supremacists along the way. I think it’s good to be wary of someone who is a cat lady of who’s who in white supremacy. Not to mention the newsletter he had in the 90’s.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:41:08am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Anyhow another big strike against the Von Mises(Von Miseans?) is that a lot of them are slavery and CSA apologists. I don’t know how an Austrian philosopher born a generation after the passage of the 13th amendment has so many adherents that think slavery wasn’t so bad

I don’t know how Mises’ writings gathered so many “racialists” around him give that he was Jewish, but they did. Same with Rothbard. Cernovich, who has openly sided with the “alt-right” now - i.e. with a bunch of classical antisemites - is Jewish. [update: C’s claim was apparently a part of trolling] Sometimes people who should know better don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:42:37am

re: #332 Nyet

I don’t know how Mises’ writings gathered so many “racialists” around him give that he was Jewish, but they did. Same with Rothbard. Cernovich, who has openly sided with the “alt-right” now - i.e. with a bunch of classical antisemites - is also Jewish. Sometimes people who should know better don’t.

Not familiar with Cernovich. Another economist or a Russian far-rightist? But yeah I always thought it was interesting that Von Mises being Jewish attracted so many racialist types.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:48:48am

I hate von Mises to pieces!!!

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lawhawk  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:51:14am

Fiorina: “Typical Left Wing Tactic” To Associate My Rhetoric With Planned Parenthood Shooter

It’s typical right wing nonsense to ignore the politics of personal responsibility.

Her statements and lies/smears about PP did contribute to the murders at the PP clinic. She continues to repeat the same lie/smear about how she saw videos showing baby parts, which is simply untrue. But her supporters don’t care that what she stated were lies/smears. They believe it, so that’s good enough for them.

The culture war being fought by the right is devoid of facts and logic - perpetuated by an ongoing belief that the news is lying about what the politicians are saying/believing. It’s corrosive and ultimately undermines the political system that far too many of us take for granted.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:52:38am

re: #269 Great White Snark

Hm. Just as a point of order so to speak, how far out the mental illness spectrum can a shooter be and still be thought of as a terrorist first and sick as an afterthought? Contrast this guy with the ISIS guys in Paris, well now thats a bona fide terrorist cell. Serious question here on the definitions for conversations.

If the shooter has a political/social agenda he is a terrorist. No matter his mental state. If he is guided by overblown political rhetoric, that doesn’t negate the terrorism aspect.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:54:07am
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:54:41am

re: #336 blueraven

If the shooter has a political/social agenda he is a terrorist. No matter his mental state. If he is guided by overblown political rhetoric, that doesn’t negate the terrorism aspect.

True, but in some cases its worth asking if the terrorist would have become a monster had he or she not been mentally ill. Call it “Mental Healthcare as counterterrorism”.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:55:15am
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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:55:24am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:56:11am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

Understood but in answer to your statement “But you don’t need [a gun] when you’re dining.” i would answer with the following:

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

No evidence that a “Good Guy With A Gun” would have done anything other than add to the chaos.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:56:13am

re: #336 blueraven

If the shooter has a political/social agenda he is a terrorist. No matter his mental state. If he is guided by overblown political rhetoric, that doesn’t negate the terrorism aspect.

Exactly. A technical term. One can wonder about their reduced responsibility (which actually makes the responsibility of inciters like Fiorina greater, not less), but the deed itself is terrorism, just as a murder committed by a mentally ill person is still murder.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:57:18am

I feel much better after having blueberry waffles for lunch.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:58:04am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

True, but in some cases its worth asking if the terrorist would have become a monster had he or she not been mentally ill. Call it “Mental Healthcare as counterterrorism”.

This man had a history of violence…maybe the question should be; if he had not had easy access to a gun, would he have become a terrorist?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:58:40am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

True, but in some cases its worth asking if the terrorist would have become a monster had he or she not been mentally ill. Call it “Mental Healthcare as counterterrorism”.

One could make the argument that anyone who wants to kill other people for a political purpose is mentally ill, but where would that get us? There are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people who think just like him, that abortion is murder and that Planned Parenthood is worse than the Holocaust. He just acted on it.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 9:59:46am

I have one well founded opinion of american conservatives, the saying of which would get me banned from here. So here’s a cat picture instead.

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:00:45am

re: #337 jaunte

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If reports were correct, the Colorado Springs PP had a fucking safe room with bullet proof vests in it.

If this wasn’t a concern, why would the clinic need a fucking panic room stocked in a way most full hospitals might not be stocked?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:01:53am

Sounds like they need more forceful escorts. Spreading terror can go in many directions.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:03:52am

re: #342 Nyet
of course it is still murder. However…

re: #336 blueraven

If the shooter has a political/social agenda he is a terrorist. No matter his mental state. If he is guided by overblown political rhetoric, that doesn’t negate the terrorism aspect.

I only suggest that at some point on the illness spectrum, and having little idea of where the PP shooter would land anyway… A profound degree of illness like perhaps full blown paranoid schizophrenia randomizes the motive. ie who knows what would set him off are we then well served by sharing his literally ill focus on the matter?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:05:03am
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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:06:01am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

True, but in some cases its worth asking if the terrorist would have become a monster had he or she not been mentally ill. Call it “Mental Healthcare as counterterrorism”.

You’re demanding a standard that isn’t demanded of any other sorts of criminals or terrorists ever. No one wonders if a black man gunned down for supposed violent behavior was ‘mentally ill’, no one wonders if Middle Eastern terrorists have undiagnosed psychiatric issues before they attack a town with car bombs. It’s always chalked up to intrinsic characteristics about the entire people or religion or ideology.

Not to say that the standard you’re asking for is bad, but it’s almost always only the purview of Caucasian, majoritarian criminals given the immediate benefit of the doubt on all avenues unlike almost every other sort of criminal ever. It’s a blatant, glaring double standard that, in practice, demands that no white criminal ever be considered a terrorist or used to define an entire ideology or people, whereas every other sort of criminal is almost precisely used to generalize about their specific demo.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:06:34am

That just as well could have come out of Rafael or Carly’s mouth. And probably will.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:07:00am

Attacks on abortion providers have increased since the Planned Parenthood videos

This is American terror and the GOP is complicit with it’s rhetoric.

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Jay C  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:07:10am

re: #337 jaunte

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“BIRTH CONTROL IS MURDER”

At least Ms. Grimes’ protester got right to the core of the matter: despite all the cant about “babies” and/or their “parts” the notion that women ought to have some (or even
ANY) control over their reproductive capabilities is still the Big Boogey for the “pro-life” crowd. If people want to believe this stuff and live their lives by it, fine: what’s unacceptable is that this sort of extremist crankery ought to be - or in the case of the hardcore nuts, HAS to be - the law of the land, and the template for the regulation of medical practice in the US.
Though I won’t hold my breath waiting to hear any pushback against the extremism…

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:07:35am

re: #349 Great White Snark

Well if it can be established that he thought his victims were blood-sucking, baby-eating aliens, and he was only defending himself, that could be a relevant point. But so far we know he’s a conservative mumbling about baby parts. So what’s the most plausible conclusion, regardless of his mental state?

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:07:42am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

póg mo thóin = “Kiss My Arse”.

Yep, and that’s where The Pogues got their name. (They were originally named The Pogue Mahones, the phonetic version of “póg mo thóin”, and that’s still the name of their record label.)

The Pogues - Fiesta

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:09:15am

re: #349 Great White Snark

of course it is still murder. However…

I only suggest that at some point on the illness spectrum, and having little idea of where the PP shooter would land anyway… A profound degree of illness like perhaps full blown paranoid schizophrenia randomizes the motive. ie who knows what would set him off are we then well served by sharing his literally ill focus on the matter?

This is why overblown rhetoric and downright lies about volatile subjects need to be called out for what they are. Yes, a mentally unstable person can fixate, but in the end it is still terrorism, no matter what incited it.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:09:51am

re: #356 Alephnaught

kish mir in tuches

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Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:10:51am

re: #323 jaunte

Huckabee: knows his audience. Has a low opinion of their intelligence.

Apparently so does CNN.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:12:08am

re: #355 Nyet

Well if it can be established that he thought his victims were blood-sucking, baby-eating aliens, and he was only defending himself, that could be a relevant point. But so far we know he’s a conservative mumbling about baby parts. So what’s the most plausible conclusion, regardless of his mental state?

The most plausible conclusion probably should not exclude his mental state. The fact some will seek to use that as an excuse for his murder (NRA perhaps) does not change the scientific utility of understanding his mental status, proportionate to the disease- in extremes paranoid schizophrenia. That can help gun control- as in look ill people are still getting guns tighten the standards.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:13:42am

The GOP is a political party that revels in misery, very cowardly in openly displaying their deepest held convictions, preferring doublespeak and innuendo to keep their thugs at arms length. Carly and Rafael may as well have pulled the triggers themselves.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:15:02am

re: #320 stpaulbear

Yep.

They send out ‘newsletters’ every couple of weeks via bulk mailing. You can tell just from the front page how evil they are.

Once the headline was “Everyone in favour of liberty raise your hands!”

Underneath was a picture of German children during Hitler’s reign giving the Nazi salute.

Seriously evil people.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:15:41am

re: #360 Great White Snark

His mental state should be checked, but even if he is extremely ill, as long as his aim was an ideological/political demonstration, it counts as terrorism.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:15:57am

ClinicEscort is currently detailing the history of domestic terrorism against women’s reproductive health.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:17:39am

re: #360 Great White Snark

The most plausible conclusion probably should not exclude his mental state. The fact some will seek to use that as an excuse for his murder (NRA perhaps) does not change the scientific utility of understanding his mental status, proportionate to the disease- in extremes paranoid schizophrenia. That can help gun control- as in look ill people are still getting guns tighten the standards.

Here’s the problem with saying “tighten the standards”, or for that matter the entire NRA deflection about mental illness every time somebody shoots up a bunch of strangers - what evidence is there that he ever sought treatment for mental illness, or was even referred for evaluation? How many mass shooters or terrorists have a history of TREATMENT, rather than just a history of neighbors thinking they were weird and/or threatening?

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:17:43am
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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:18:05am

re: #357 blueraven

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

I would again suggest that if a truly paranoid schizophrenic killer can fit into the same terrorist term as a dedicated intelligently run cell of operatives like Paris had we have over diluted the term too much. Need a new term.

Maybe this guy is not that ill and deserves the term. I don’t know but the mental state has been rhetorically beat into an either or deal in gun crimes. I happen to think that’s the opposite of the correct approach. Walk around downtown LA early one morning with me, see the scope of ill and sometimes dangerous people among that homeless population. Usually without guns. usually is little comfort. two track solutions-Gun control and reduce mental illness with violent symptoms. .

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:18:36am

If we’re to discuss mental illness with regards to Mr. Dear’s actions, and taking into consideration Mr. Roof’s actions months ago and those of Mr. Loughner years earlier, perhaps its time we began to discuss what it is about conservatism that appeals so much to the mentally ill.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:20:12am

re: #368 Targetpractice

If we’re to discuss mental illness with regards to Mr. Dear’s actions, and taking into consideration Mr. Roof’s actions months ago and those of Mr. Loughner years earlier, perhaps its time we began to discuss what it is about conservatism that appeals so much to the mentally ill.

Fine with me.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:22:00am

re: #368 Targetpractice

People with internal disturbances looking for a cure in external promises of stability?

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:22:39am

re: #367 Great White Snark

I would again suggest that if a truly paranoid schizophrenic killer can fit into the same terrorist term as a dedicated intelligently run cell of operatives like Paris had we have over diluted the term too much. Need a new term.

Maybe this guy is not that ill and deserves the term. I don’t know but the mental state has been rhetorically beat into an either or deal in gun crimes. I happen to think that’s the opposite of the correct approach. Walk around downtown LA early one morning with me, see the scope of ill and sometimes dangerous people among that homeless population. Usually without guns. usually is little comfort. two track solutions-Gun control and reduce mental illness with violent symptoms. .

What do we call the lone jihadist killing with an ax on the street? He may be batshit crazy, but he is still a terrorist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:23:08am

re: #370 jaunte

People with internal disturbances looking for a cure in external promises of stability?

The Left doesn’t have nearly as much apocalyptic, eliminationist rhetoric to attract the violently inclined.

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Alephnaught  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:23:30am

re: #358 Nyet

kish mir in tuches

That’s brilliant! I only had to look that up to confirm it said what I thought it said.

The Glaswegian equivalent is “Aye- MAH. ARSE!!!!!”, which is generally considered quite a mild insult. The Scottish Gaelic equivalent is basically identical to the Irish Gaelic equivalent mentioned above.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:24:26am

re: #151 Lidane

Huckabee: No Pro-Life Leader Would Ever Advocate Attacks on Planned Parenthood

Gotta love right wing semantics. Surely you can see where he’s going here, right?

The RWNJs and right wing blogs/media etc, WILL say:

- Planned Parenthood is EVIL!
- PP are MURDERERS!!
- PP sells BABY PARTS!!
- PP is an ABOMINATION!!
- PP is ANTI-American!!
- PP is pretty much Abortion, Inc!!
- PP is SATANIC and must be stopped!!

But they WON’T say:

- I urge all my viewers/listeners to go shoot up/bomb a PP clinic as soon as possible

and because they WON’T say that, Huck gets to pretend he’s telling the truth when he claims “Pro-lifers” would never advocate attacks on PP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:24:53am

re: #368 Targetpractice

If we’re to discuss mental illness with regards to Mr. Dear’s actions, and taking into consideration Mr. Roof’s actions months ago and those of Mr. Loughner years earlier, perhaps its time we began to discuss what it is about conservatism that appeals so much to the mentally ill.

Mr Dear is a walking indictment of how toxic lies and propaganda can inspire unstable people to commit murder. Right wingers are going to do everything they can to spin the discussion away from that.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:25:02am

The conservative movement is full of lazy, shiftless crooks and scum. Their black and white world view is an expression of that laziness and lack of character. They hide behind their sky fairy Jesus, to give them the cover they need to persecute their victims.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:25:43am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:26:13am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

Huckabee: No Pro-Life Leader Would Ever Advocate Attacks on Planned Parenthood

Gotta love right wing semantics. Surely you can see where he’s going here, right?

The RWNJs and right wing blogs/media etc, WILL say:

- Planned Parenthood is EVIL!
- PP are MURDERERS!!
- PP sells BABY PARTS!!
- PP is an ABOMINATION!!
- PP is ANTI-American!!
- PP is pretty much Abortion, Inc!!
- PP is SATANIC and must be stopped!!

But they WON’T say:

- I urge all my viewers/listeners to go shoot up/bomb a PP clinic as soon as possible

and because they WON’T say that, Huck gets to pretend he’s telling the truth when he claims “Pro-lifers” would never advocate attacks on PP.

And this is why violently inclined people are drawn to the Right - it’s all about black and white, and simple solutions that involve killing Bad People.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:26:38am

re: #374 Eclectic Cyborg

They constantly tout justifications and rationality for action, but never action.

That’s the cult of personal responsibility for you.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:26:40am

re: #371 blueraven

What do we call the lone jihadist killing with an ax on the street? He may be batshit crazy, but he is still a terrorist.

The evidence for the central question is missing. Hallucinating about enemies? How sick is he? Just an anger management issue-Terrorist. Hallucinating and literally clinically paranoid? Seems a difference of some distinction rather than none.

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EmmaAnne  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:28:02am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

True, but in some cases its worth asking if the terrorist would have become a monster had he or she not been mentally ill. Call it “Mental Healthcare as counterterrorism”.

I would have more sympathy for this view if those “some cases” weren’t equivalent to “it was a white guy.” No one cares about the mental health of brown people in deciding whether they are terrorists.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:28:28am
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Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:29:45am

re: #381 EmmaAnne

I would have more sympathy for this view if those “some cases” weren’t equivalent to “it was a white guy.” No one cares about the mental health of brown people in deciding whether they are terrorists.

Don’t read into my words things that are not there.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:29:48am

I remember when the towers fell and the whole conservative movement renounced liberals as wanting to coddle the terrorists by trying to “understand” them. This is because of their lack of intellectual curiosity and simple-minded worldview. Then they went and destroyed the middle east with my dime and in my name.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:30:06am

Good repentant Christian bombers.

“I agree with all of you that these are good people,” Gillam told defense attorneys who argued vigorously for light sentences because the Sullengers, devout Christians, felt remorse and now understand that their strong biblical convictions were no excuse to violate the law.
articles.latimes.com

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:30:07am

re: #368 Targetpractice

I recall reading a magazine article years ago about “The Politics of Dissent.”

It posited that any society has people who don’t fit into or are failed by that society. Those people look for a political philosophy to express the unhappiness that this failure engenders.

The philosophies latched onto by these people are usually at the fringes of politics. Not surprising as mainstream politics supports the status quo. As a result the dispossessed adopt far left or far right philosophies.

In America far right has become the natural haven for the dispossessed. Partly because of America’s obsession with ‘Liberty’ and partly because far left has been thoroughly discredited in America.

So many of the mentally ill, who are always among the dispossessed, will end up on the far right. It’s the most obvious haven for them.

Just thinking out loud.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:31:27am

re: #384 Amory Blaine

I remember when the towers fell and the whole conservative movement renounced liberals as wanting to coddle the terrorists by trying to “understand” them. This is because of their lack of intellectual curiosity and simple-minded worldview. Then they went and destroyed the middle east with my dime and in my name.

They fail to see that although military intervention may sometimes be necessary, it is not the final solution. Even after military action, it is necessary to understand people and work with them and not just intimidate them through force.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:31:57am

Also, do you realize we’ve reached a point in America where many media outlets consider random, unsourced tweets to be “credibile information”?

I mean what the fuck? How much lower can this bar go?

“Donald Trump sent an assassin to kill Megyn Kelly according to the ramblings of a homeless man on a street corner. This was confirmed by other homeless men familiar with the situation.”

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:32:23am

re: #381 EmmaAnne

I would have more sympathy for this view if those “some cases” weren’t equivalent to “it was a white guy.” No one cares about the mental health of brown people in deciding whether they are terrorists.

Maybe by “no one” you refer to media and the NRA, perhaps the cities that have to deal?
I don’t share that bias. The dangerously mentally ill on the street come in all shades. And they do assault one another as well as anyone else in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve had a couple incidents over the years. And the numbers are climbing. That bodes poorly for public safety.

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blueraven  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:35:48am

re: #380 Great White Snark

The evidence for the central question is missing. Hallucinating about enemies? How sick is he? Just an anger management issue-Terrorist. Hallucinating and literally clinically paranoid? Seems a difference of some distinction rather than none.

Again, it does not matter. Anyone who commits murder with an ideology behind it is a terrorist. Maybe he is a clinically insane terrorist, but a terrorist nonetheless.
He has still achieved the goal of terrorizing for a particular cause.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:37:21am

re: #390 blueraven

Again, it does not matter. Anyone who commits murder with an ideology behind it is a terrorist. Maybe he is a clinically insane terrorist, but a terrorist nonetheless.
He has still achieved the goal of terrorizing for a particular cause.

Terrorists have dark skin and shout “Allahu Akhbar”.

/

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Charles Johnson  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:38:42am

Whoa.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:39:06am

The dangerously mentally ill are usually undiagnosed and oftentimes in positions of power. Homeless people (mentally ill or not) are an extension of our collective failure or unwillingness to deal with societal problems effectively. Which is in itself mental illness, or should be regarded as it anyways.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:39:38am

re: #390 blueraven

Again, it does not matter. Anyone who commits murder with an ideology behind it is a terrorist. Maybe he is a clinically insane terrorist, but a terrorist nonetheless.
He has still achieved the goal of terrorizing for a particular cause.

This.

We can argue endlessly about whether any given killer who expressed a political motivation would have killed absent that political cause, but that’s all handwaving. And short of actual detachment from reality, arguing about mental illness seems pointless.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:39:46am

re: #392 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Except for those in the pro-life movement who celebrate clinic attacks.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:40:01am

So if an ideology suits the clinically mentally ill, would the stated motives of the very ill have shifted with the Overton window or not?

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EmmaAnne  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:40:48am

re: #389 Great White Snark

Maybe by “no one” you refer to media and the NRA, perhaps the cities that have to deal?
I don’t share that bias. The dangerously mentally ill on the street come in all shades. And they do assault one another as well as anyone else in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve had a couple incidents over the years. And the numbers are climbing. That bodes poorly for public safety.

Those are completely orthogonal matters. People who are carefully looking into the mental health of white domestic terrorists have no desire or intention of ever doing anything about mental health issues. Nor do they have any interest in keeping these poor sick souls from having as many guns as they want. It is purely an exercise in diversion and shaping the narrative.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:42:24am

re: #397 EmmaAnne

Those are completely orthogonal matters. People who are carefully looking into the mental health of white domestic terrorists have no desire or intention of ever doing anything about mental health issues. Nor do they have any interest in keeping these poor sick souls from having as many guns as they want. It is purely an exercise in diversion and shaping the narrative.

One sees this a lot, like “We need to take care of our own before we let any refugees in!” from people who don’t want to take care of our own.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:42:26am

Honestly as someone with neurological issues, I find the attempts to say “Oh he was mental disturbed” to be a distraction. Now Dear could well have been mentally ill, I’m not disputing that, I do however think we need to realize that sound minds can and do carry out mass murder. People with mental illness are far less more likely to be the victims of violence than commit it themselves.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:43:20am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Esp. police violence.

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:45:27am

re: #397 EmmaAnne

Those are completely orthogonal matters. People who are carefully looking into the mental health of white domestic terrorists have no desire or intention of ever doing anything about mental health issues. Nor do they have any interest in keeping these poor sick souls from having as many guns as they want. It is purely an exercise in diversion and shaping the narrative.

That’s the worst part of the mental health dodge. Mental Health is a serious matter that we in this country actually don’t do enough to address. But in these cases, it’s never a serious worry about mental health, it’s using it as an excuse and a bludgeon against anyone who dare wants to hold assholes like Mr. Dear to the same standards as other criminals or terrorists, simply because he is of the ‘default’, the ‘majority’, and to mark someone from the control group as a terrorist, to them is an indictment of the entire group and that just can’t be.

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Nyet  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:45:35am

But of course.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:46:27am

Shooting someone to death 16 times unnecessarily? Undiagnosed and in a position of power.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:48:45am

If you’re convinced that mental health is a problem in our country, fine by me but don’t bitch if your taxes go up because of it. Sorry it just seems exempting Kasich, the Republican candidates love to bring up mental health whenever something like this hapepns and very few of them actually have a plan to do anything about mental health issues. And again I really don’t like how mental issues are being made out to be a direct cause of violence.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:49:07am

re: #401 Kryptik

Is there any serious matter that we address thoughtfully in this country? We ramble from one crisis to the next looking for magic bullets to “declare war” on.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:49:19am

re: #400 Nyet

Esp. police violence.

Certainly.

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Great White Snark  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:49:30am

re: #401 Kryptik

That’s the worst part of the mental health dodge.

Other than recognizing whose rhetoric is whose, and who I want to call out as a critic, I ignore diversions/dodges by way of dis-empowering them in my practical thinking. Especially NRA about mental illness.

I have seen the mentally ill go off screaming about one random thing one day and something else entirely another day. I guess what kind of terrorist he would be would depend on which day he attacked a place and what it was. One day he might attack a bank and be thought an Occupy terrorist. Or PP and a GOP inspired terrorist. Depending on his own ramblings? That’s the result of the thinking I’m reading here. Okay, I just see a worthwhile distinction between an intelligent operative and a hallucinating paranoid.

Or put another way how does lumping these two kinds of killers together in a popular term help us?

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sagehen  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:50:09am

re: #335 lawhawk

Fiorina: “Typical Left Wing Tactic” To Associate My Rhetoric With Planned Parenthood Shooter

Was she one of the assholes who blamed BlackLivesMatter, and any politician who’d expressed support for them, when some random mentally-ill black guy killed a couple of cops in NYC?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:50:48am

re: #408 sagehen

Was she one of the assholes who blamed BlackLivesMatter, and any politician who’d expressed support for them, when some random mentally-ill black guy killed a couple of cops in NYC?

I’m sure she was.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:52:16am

re: #408 sagehen

Fiorina claims the “abortion industry” targets black people.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:53:11am

re: #408 sagehen

Was she one of the assholes who blamed BlackLivesMatter, and any politician who’d expressed support for them, when some random mentally-ill black guy killed a couple of cops in NYC?

The Party of Personal Responsibility that blames Obama and Black Lives Matter activism for cop deaths denies their rhetoric after the fake CMP videos and ‘Baby Parts!’ inspired more violence at clinics, and now murder. Craven and depraved intellectual dishonesty.

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Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:53:14am

re: #392 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Imagine my surprise that the anti-choice crowd are now trying to portray themselves as the victims of this act of terrorism.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:53:59am

re: #410 jaunte

Fiorina claims the “abortion industry” targets black people.

No, that’s not racist at all. Implying black folk are dupes being murdered en masse by evil white liberals.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:54:32am

re: #410 jaunte

Fiorina claims the “abortion industry” targets black people.

Because the abortion industry is only out to make a profit and blacks are the most lucrative customers?

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:55:18am

re: #414 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It doesn’t withstand a moment of thought, but she’s pushing it.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:55:34am

Obamacare is the result of a thoughtful populace? No, it was the only thing we could get done due to the stupid fucking troglodytes that hate the poor more than they love themselves. Millions of insurance industry parasites are still rotting the system while our premiums are still go up. Everybody knows it. Health insurance employees would be more productive digging ditches and then filling them back in than what they do now.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:56:13am

re: #414 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the abortion industry is only out to make a profit and blacks are the most lucrative customers?

Hey, those evil liberals actually love capitalism! Hey guys, they’re not that bad!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 10:59:15am

Can you edit a tweet or do I have to delete and repost?

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Tigger2  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:00:26am

re: #350 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:00:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:02:39am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:04:22am

re: #419 Tigger2

How does a bearded male who is anti-Obama and anti-Planned Parenthood turn into a “leftist tranny”?

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TedStriker  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:05:06am

re: #392 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

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Only took Huck, what, four or five days to say that?

it smells like CYA to me.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:05:08am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

How does a bearded male who is anti-Obama and anti-Planned Parenthood turn into a “leftist tranny”?

Right wing meth. Not even once.

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:06:19am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

How does a bearded male who is anti-Obama and anti-Planned Parenthood turn into a “leftist tranny”?

SMOTI Alchemy

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:07:16am

re: #425 jaunte

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SMOTI Alchemy

In other words, a clerical error clearly is more reliable as far as the shooter’s motives than the shooter’s own rants.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:07:36am

re: #425 jaunte

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SMOTI Alchemy

So there is a checkbox on court records for “Not Republican”? L O L

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jaunte  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:08:20am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:08:55am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

My holiday gatherings no longer get infected by these kinds of stupid conservatives. Only doing my part. :)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:09:05am

Clearly a transexual

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:09:18am

Well these people think the Dixiecrats were leftists simply because they were Democrats. Nevermind the Dixiecrats echo a lot of right wing rhetoric about states rights and stuff like that. They really think simply because he’s not a registered Republican, he’s not right wing. Well shit, there’s tons of conservatives who make a point of saying they’re not Republicans all the time.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:09:25am

re: #425 jaunte

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SMOTI Alchemy

We gotta make a SMOTI Bingo game. I’m just too lazy.

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Kryptik  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:10:15am

re: #428 jaunte

This disclaimer basically applies to anything GOP says about reproductive health.

Fixed that. GOPers are never held accountable for any falsehoods ever. At least not for being falsehoods.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:10:18am

re: #430 Dr. Matt

Clearly a transexual

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Yeah I wish I could be shocked that they’re latching on to this but I’m not. And even if he was, so transgendered people aren’t capable of being right wing? These people are fucking stupid.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:10:18am

re: #430 Dr. Matt

He looks very gender fluid.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:10:32am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

That’s right, using a party is a cop out. It was conservatism then and it is conservatism now.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:10:46am

re: #430 Dr. Matt

Clearly a transexual

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You’re doing it wrong….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:11:54am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

How does a bearded male who is anti-Obama and anti-Planned Parenthood turn into a “leftist tranny”?

Shh, you’re ruining the narrative…

/

(in all seriousness, it started because of a fucked up voter registration that apparently belonged to the shooter)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:12:43am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Yeah I wish I could be shocked that they’re latching on to this but I’m not. And even if he was, so transgendered people aren’t capable of being right wing? These people are fucking stupid.

Just this week conservatives were telling us that video evidence is not conclusive because it’s only 2D. It’s amazing how they were able to de-evolve so quickly.

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gwangung  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:13:23am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Well these people think the Dixiecrats were leftists simply because they were Democrats. Nevermind the Dixiecrats echo a lot of right wing rhetoric about states rights and stuff like that. They really think simply because he’s not a registered Republican, he’s not right wing. Well shit, there’s tons of conservatives who make a point of saying they’re not Republicans all the time.

Listening to what people call themselves, instead of seeing what they do.

Suggests they’re easily fooled, hm?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:14:05am

re: #436 Amory Blaine

That’s right, using a party is a cop out. It was conservatism then and it is conservatism now.

Right. It wasn’t just civil rights they were conservative on. Google “Conservative Coalition.” Southern Democrats especially anti Civil Rights ones were staunchly conservative. Conversely a lot of conservative Republicans were too. Liberal Republicans like Dewey were more supportive. The Civil Rights Movement was not about party but about ideology and the conservatives in both parties were wrong on the issue.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:14:10am

Didn’t Rush encourage conservatives to fuck up democratic primaries with phony declarations?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:15:04am

re: #442 Amory Blaine

Didn’t Rush encourage conservatives to fuck up democratic primaries with phony declarations?

Yes, “Operation Chaos” he aclled it.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:26:18am

re: #64 Nyet

Inorite. But I learned that it’s more of a stereotype than anything else. Even among Rand-admirers (think two Pauls - Rand and Ryan).

Gary North is a libertarian Christian reconstructionist. Stonings for gay sex and adultery in a libertarian state. Try to wrap your head around this one.

For any of you interested in the Christian Reconstructionist end-game, it is to eliminate the Constitutional republic, and instill a religious theocracy, with like-minded people running the show.
Here’s a quote, directly from the source of one of their leaders:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:34:08am

re: #444 Bill and Opus for 2016!

7 Mountains.
Endorsed by Cruz, Palin, Huckabee, et al.

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ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:44:04am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

How does a bearded male who is anti-Obama and anti-Planned Parenthood turn into a “leftist tranny”?

Fertile imaginations and outright liars.

Seems to be a rather popular political tool these days with the conservatives.

I don’t think I can remember politics based on so much false bullshit that is rather easy to prove.

It takes a strong suspension of disbelief to really go all in. But here we are.

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WhatEVs  Nov 29, 2015 • 11:46:13am

re: #430 Dr. Matt

Clearly a transexual

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Not even a FABULOUS beard. So not transsexual. Must. Be. Fabulous! to be transsexual. /

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vgranucci  Nov 29, 2015 • 12:55:59pm

re: #92 Nyet

Sometimes it gets to KJV vs. modern translations before the heretic gets pushed off.


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