Another Mass Shooting Now Ongoing in San Bernardino

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Here we go again. In America’s ongoing story of mass insanity, there’s another active shooter incident being reported in San Bernardino, at the Inland Regional Center — a health care facility. Latest word is that more than 20 people have been shot, but of course these are initial reports.

UPDATE at 12/2/15 11:58:56 am by Charles Johnson
UPDATE at 12/2/15 12:12:33 pm by Charles Johnson
UPDATE at 12/2/15 12:20:30 pm by Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:57:20am

too early to politicize this…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:14am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:28am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Too early to talk about gun control.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:45am

My God. I have a great day working with EC children at a junior high in Greensboro, I go on my break period to look at the news and I get slapped in the face with this. I used to bike ride on waterman in San Bernardino. I still have family in San Bernardino.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:49am

I wonder how long it will take the GOP candidates to comment on this one?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:49am

Too soon to talk about guns and how easy they are to get but not too easy to call teh shooter crazy without knowing anything about him.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:01am

Way too early, the next one hasn’t happened yet.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:05am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how long it will take the GOP candidates to comment on this one?

Blame Obama.
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Unabogie  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:07am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:21am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how long it will take the GOP candidates to comment on this one?

If they talk at all, it will porbably be be bitching about gun free zones.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:37am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Too soon to talk about guns and how easy they are to get but not too easy to call teh shooter crazy without knowing anything about him.

Or a librul

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:57am

Black Friday set a new record in gun sales. Too soon to mention that?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:59:59am

Arm the mental patients!!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:00:10pm

Just a reminder:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:00:22pm
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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:00:31pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

If they talk at all, it will porbably be be bitching about gun free zones.

Bingo. Given that it’s a care facility, it’s a pretty safe bet that weapons are verboten.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:00:35pm

re: #11 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Or a librul

Of course, Teabag Ted recently said more violent criminals are Dems.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:01:00pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Bingo. Given that it’s a care facility, it’s a pretty safe bet that weapons are verboten.

Yeah but that won’t mean jack shit to the gun thumpers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:01:07pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:01:21pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Of course, Teabag Ted recently said more violent criminals are Dems.

Yes but that isn’t politicizing crime or anything, we liberals are the only ones who do that.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:01:23pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Bingo. Given that it’s a care facility, it’s a pretty safe bet that weapons are verboten.

Is this at Kaiser? My Grandmother was a secretary there for 40 years.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:01:37pm

Have conservatives started yelling it’s TOO SOON to talk about guns yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:02:28pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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b.d.  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:02:34pm

Whoever is shooting up this place and killing people were responsible gun owners this morning.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:02:43pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah how fucking ghoulish of Martin O’Malley to call for sensible gun laws after yet another gun related tragedy. Maybe if you thought about something other than guns for once Dana, you’d realize how pathetic you sound, you’re the fucking not O’Malley. Remember you’re the one who actually wants to criminalize criticism of guns.

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UrbanAchiever  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:02:51pm

How long before the inmates completely take over the asylum that is this country? How cowardly is our leadership that they can’t even admit that things that are meant to kill people, do in fact kill people?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:03:19pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Gunz knows all about ghoulish behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:03:39pm

re: #21 Aunty Entity Dragon

Is this at Kaiser? My Grandmother was a secretary there for 40 years.

Inland Regional Center

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:04:01pm

re: #22 jaunte

Have conservatives started yelling it’s TOO SOON to talk about guns yet?

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She’s a monster. I wish we could leave her and her guns on a deserted island alone. She cares more about guns than she does humanity. Her rhetoric after these tragedies shows that time and time again. As I said earlier, maybe if she actually like I do by the way know the pain of losing someone to gun violence, she wouldn’t be so fucking callous.

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Unabogie  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:04:39pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:04:56pm

Better check the skin shade of the shooter(s) to be sure if they are “terrorists” or “lone wolves”. Is there a handy color card that you use for this sort of thing?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:05:15pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

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What the fuck is wrong with you, woman? People are dying in the streets and we’re the ghouls for condemning the problem?

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:05:21pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

See number 14.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:05:26pm

I’ll repeat it earlier because I know not everyone saw it but I know what its like to lose a relative to gun violence. Also having friends that were present at Virginia Tech, I also know what it’s like to fear the worst when one of these stories breaks. So yeah sue me, call me a gun grabber, I’m not fond of guns and neither would you if you walked in my shoes.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:05:46pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

There is (see 14 above).

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:06:15pm

And the “Gun Free Zones” idiocy has begun.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:06:25pm

re: #19 The Vicious Babushka

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She’s just angry that somebody got to politicize this tragedy before she did.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:06:43pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:06:56pm

re: #32 thedopefishlives

What the fuck is wrong with you, woman? People are dying in the streets and we’re the ghouls for condemning the problem?

You’re going to hurt the gun’s feeling, you brute.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:01pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Inland Regional Center

Okay, that is only, like, 1 block away from the I-10 downtown interchange.

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scottslemmons  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:02pm

I keep waiting for some prominent ammosexual to demand that police no longer prosecute people for crimes committed with guns. To do otherwise is to infringe on the All-Holy Second Amendment!

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:26pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

And the “Gun Free Zones” idiocy has begun.

Yeah because a mental health facility is EXACTLY the place you should have guns at. Fuck let’s allow doctors to bring guns when they do surgery. Let’s allow prisoners to have guns in prison! Let’s have guns in kindercare! Let’s give every child a gun instead of a decent education!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:27pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:07:33pm

re: #33 freetoken

See number 14.

I actually missed that.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:08:10pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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The 1-3 suspects, WITH GUNS, Dana. I don’t give a shit about the NRA, they can die in a fire for all I care.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:08:16pm
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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:08:42pm

Well this doesn’t seem to be a case of workplace violence.

Maybe the building is just strategically located for mass casualties. But this appears, on the surface, to be a planned out attack.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:08:49pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone blamed the 1-3 suspects yet or just the NRA?

How about both you stupid…..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:08:52pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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No one blamed the NRA you asshole. O’Malley asked that the NRA do what they refuse to do after these tragedies an that’s actually work on solutions. Maybe if the NRA wasn’t paying you with their filthy money, you’d get that.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:09:38pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone blamed the 1-3 suspects yet or just the NRA?

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) December 2, 2015>

Amusing because last week Dana and her ilk were blaming Planned Parenthood.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:09:44pm

re: #46 thedopefishlives

The 1-3 suspects, WITH GUNS, Dana. I don’t give a shit about the NRA, they can die in a fire for all I care.

I would be delighted at this point to see Wayne LaPierre go bankrupt and I would love for him to be forced to watch his guns destroyed before his eyes, people like him and Dana do but foster paranoid in this country by refusing any meaningful legislation on guns.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:09:48pm

Sigh. And tears. FUCK.

You know, if you believe in God, wouldn’t it occur to you that all these fucking shootings are a hint that maybe 300 million firearms (and growing) in one country is too fucking many? This is going to continue to happen, with growing body counts until the nation as a whole wakes the fuck up and forces our useless politicians to focus resources on stopping this. It’s not one thing, it’s everything. Gun buy backs, stricter background checks, harsher penalties for illegal weapons, melting down the ones confiscated or surrendered voluntarily, more task force and special law enforcement work to disarm criminal enterprises and trafficking and so on. It should be at LEAST as hard to get a gun as it is to get licensed and insured to drive a car FFS. Oh, and make insurance for all gun owners mandatory, just like cars and homes.

Any why in the every loving HELL do civilians have access to military level armor and weapons? Why?

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:10:45pm
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Bird in the Paw  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:10:56pm

From the previous thread because a new one was posted, of course :p

re: #91 lawhawk

Can we talk about Columbine? Or VA Tech? Or Sandy Hook? Or Binghamton? Or Aurora? OR …

Nope, that was too long ago and no longer relevant. The not[Venn] diagram of the too early vs. too long ago time frames have no overlap; there is no appropriate time to talk about gun control. It’s an amendment and as such is sacrosanct to the ammosexuals.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:10:56pm

re: #51 Dr. Matt

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:10:58pm

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

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NRA= hate group run by a bunch of small dick pansies who hide behind guns.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:11:19pm

Seriously, every damn time I’ve been in one it’s been exclusively staffed by elderly matrons in those horrible 1950’s uniforms. The place is a retail time warp.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:11:22pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:11:33pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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I blame assholes like Dana.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:11:52pm

Mass shootings by white dudes? Too soon to talk about guns. You’re a ghoul!

Mass shootings in another country? BAN ALL THE MUSLIMS!!!!!!!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:08pm

re: #9 Unabogie

Is she fucking kidding? Inflammatory rhetoric? OMFG. After what just happened in Colorado Springs? There is a special place in hell for people like this. Seriously. And this is how she makes her money.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:15pm

re: #61 GlutenFreeJesus

Mass shootings by white dudes? Too soon to talk about guns. You’re a ghoul!

Mass shootings in another country? BAN ALL THE MUSLIMS!!!!!!!

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:31pm

I don’t know why everyone is so upset about another shooting and mass killing in America. What we really need to worry about is all those Syrian refugees being imported and all those brown people flowing through the teeny tiny little fence on our Southern border.

(spit…)

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:32pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

Sigh. And tears. FUCK.

Any why in the every loving HELL do civilians have access to military level armor and weapons? Why?

I think you can blame the NRA for that.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:39pm

An NBC photographer on the ground estimated at least 20 wounded.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:47pm

On #tcot now==>
HURR HURR HOW U LIKING TEH GLOBAL WARMING LIBTARDS!!!!
FALSE FLAG!!11!!!!!
GUN FREE ZONE!!!11!!!
ALL THOSE PEOPLE HIDING UNDER THERE DESK WISH THEY HAD A GUN RIGHT NOW!!!11!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:51pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Is she fucking kidding? Inflammatory rhetoric? OMFG. After what just happened in Colorado Springs? There is a special place in hell for people like this. Seriously. And this is how she makes her money.

She has literally no sense of self awareness at all. But that makes sense, she’s too busy worshiping guns to fucking notice that she has to share a planet with other people.

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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:12:53pm

Really hope this is a Poe.

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:13:25pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

Better check the skin shade of the shooter(s) to be sure if they are “terrorists” or “lone wolves”. Is there a handy color card that you use for this sort of thing?

See ——-> re: #14 Dr. Matt

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danarchy  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:13:43pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

Sigh. And tears. FUCK.

You know, if you believe in God, wouldn’t it occur to you that all these fucking shootings are a hint that maybe 300 million firearms (and growing) in one country is too fucking many? This is going to continue to happen, with growing body counts until the nation as a whole wakes the fuck up and forces our useless politicians to focus resources on stopping this. It’s not one thing, it’s everything. Gun buy backs, stricter background checks, harsher penalties for illegal weapons, melting down the ones confiscated or surrendered voluntarily, more task force and special law enforcement work to disarm criminal enterprises and trafficking and so on. It should be at LEAST as hard to get a gun as it is to get licensed and insured to drive a car FFS. Oh, and make insurance for all gun owners mandatory, just like cars and homes.

Any why in the every loving HELL do civilians have access to military level armor and weapons? Why?

There are clearly not enough guns, because people rushed out to buy record numbers on black friday.
huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:14:05pm

re: #69 It’s on his hat!

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Really hope this is a Poe.

These people are monsters. Anyhow fuck guns and gun humpers. I am sick of them using every tragedy that happens in a state that has reasonable gun laws to bitch about reasonable gun laws. Reasonable gun laws did not cause this to happen.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:14:10pm

re: #70 Bird in the Paw

See ——->

Yes, I missed that post at 14.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:14:28pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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Another ammosexual talking point, “Blame the shooter, not the gun!”

Well Dana, unless the shooters could kill people with their minds, the guns were instrumental to this tragedy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:14:35pm

re: #69 It’s on his hat!

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Really hope this is a Poe.

That’s fucked up. If it’s a Poe then it’s even more fucked up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:15:04pm

re: #69 It’s on his hat!

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Really hope this is a Poe.

No, it is the reason that there will be more mass shootings this year, next year and the year after…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:15:33pm

Stay classy, you Harvard grad

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:15:44pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Another ammosexual talking point, “Blame the shooter, not the gun!”

Well Dana, unless the shooters could kill people with their minds, the guns were instrumental to this tragedy.

“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” to which I always respond “Yeah but a gun makes it a lot fucking easier you dumbshit.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:16:20pm

HURR HURR LOOK AT LIBTARDS SAYING TEH MEANS IN MY MENTIONS!!!11!!!

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:16:25pm

re: #30 Unabogie

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:16:49pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, you Harvard grad

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And you’re a little sissy Ben who hides behind guns like all of the ammosexuals. You’re not tough, you’re certainly not manly, you’re a wuss who needs a gun to feel comfortable in his masculinity.

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:17:19pm

Any word yet on the voting records of these three terrorists?
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:17:27pm

Man, the nuts are really worked up again today.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:17:36pm

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, you Harvard grad

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:17:38pm

DON’T U KNOW TEH REAL CRIME IS PEOPLE SAYING MEAN TWEETS AT DANA!!!!1!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:17:41pm

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

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I’m waiting for her to apply to be the first person to marry a gun. She time and time again shows that she cares more about guns than she does people. If a house was on fire, I’m sure she’d save the guns before the people inside.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:18:04pm

re: #82 Kid A

Any word yet on the voting records of these three terrorists?
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or their gender identity. //

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:18:20pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:18:54pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for her to apply to be the first person to marry a gun. She time and time again shows that she cares more about guns than she does people. If a house was on fire, I’m sure she’d save the guns before the people inside.

HURR HURR TEH GUNZ COULD GO OFF AND HURT TEH PEOPLE TRYING TO ESCAPE!!!1!11

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:24pm

inlandrc.org

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:25pm

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LOOK AT LIBTARDS SAYING TEH MEANS IN MY MENTIONS!!!11!!!

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:41pm

Fifty bucks say no Syrian refugees were involved.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:41pm
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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:41pm
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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:19:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:03pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Yeah because a mental health facility is EXACTLY the place you should have guns at. Fuck let’s allow doctors to bring guns when they do surgery. Let’s allow prisoners to have guns in prison! Let’s have guns in kindercare! Let’s give every child a gun instead of a decent education!

Last night on Hardball, Santorum said all Planned Parenthood nurses should be armed.

O_o

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:09pm

Sigh. Another day, another massacre.

Zardoz approves.

*headdesk*

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:28pm

re: #94 Kragar

JINX!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:28pm

Sorry guys. Yeah I am mad. I am mad because this happens time and time again and we do nothing. We scapegoat the mentally ill and then we never actually do anything about mental health. We talk about how “shocking” it is. We blame everything, everything including gay marriage, single mothers, video games, movies, etc for these shootings but the second someone tries to point out that easy access to guns does play a role, you get accused of hating America and being a Nazi. I told you, I don’t like guns. My uncle killed himself with one a couple days after Christmas fourteen years ago with one. Guns have ended more lives than they have saved. I don’t want to abolish them but I also am tired of the fetishization of them. I’m tired of seeing Republican politicians especially pose with them like they’re toys.

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:42pm

re: #95 blueraven

White people don’t do things like this!!!!!
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:20:58pm

re: #71 danarchy

There are clearly not enough guns, because people rushed out to buy record numbers on black friday.
huffingtonpost.com

There will be another big rush after the massacres last week and this. They never result in gun law reform, but always push gun sales to new heights.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:04pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Is she fucking kidding? Inflammatory rhetoric? OMFG. After what just happened in Colorado Springs? There is a special place in hell for people like this. Seriously. And this is how she makes her money.

If hell actually existed, the evil Christian Conservatives would be in big trouble.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:07pm

Jim Dehoft claiming the shooters are gay, transsexual blacklivesmatter registered Democrats in 5…4..3..2..

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:11pm

re: #95 blueraven

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And every wingnut across America crosses their fingers and hopes they’re Muslims.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:18pm

If this place is within proximity to two interstates, these guys could be in the wind already.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:19pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last night on Hardball, Santorum said all Planned Parenthood nurses should be armed.

O_o

Oh my.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:28pm

Yeah, we’re already seeing that (possibly Poe’d in a facebook post no less).

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:21:59pm
Donald Trump has become such a force in the Republican Party that the official overseeing next year’s Senate races has proposed a delicate strategy for GOP candidates: Tap into Trumpism without mimicking Trump.

In a seven-page confidential memo that imagines Trump as the party’s presidential nominee, the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee urges candidates to adopt many of Trump’s tactics, issues and approaches — right down to adjusting the way they dress and how they use Twitter.

Here’s the memo.

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:22:16pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:22:31pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I don’t want to abolish guns either. However, the second amendment needs to go. Let the gun advocates argue for their preferred policy positions without the crutch of the second amendment to use/abuse.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:02pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

I don’t want to abolish guns either. However, the second amendment needs to go. Let the gun advocates argue for their preferred policy positions without the crutch of the second amendment to use/abuse.

I’m starting to feel that way too about the 2nd. I feel the 2nd is in bad need of a 21st century perspective.

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gocart mozart  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:04pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

Clearly the only way to keep the mental patients safe is to arm all the mental patients.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:06pm

Dana’s angry that so many others see a shooting like this and think “We have way too many guns in this country” and not “We need even more guns!” like she does.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:06pm

A reporter on scene confirms an explosive device was found.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:43pm

re: #92 Kid A

Fifty bucks say no Syrian refugees were involved.

Or, no ill-eagle brown-skinned people pouring into America over our lack of a big wall.

(carrying on from my #64)

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:23:58pm
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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:24:26pm

re: #103 Aunty Entity Dragon

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:24:33pm
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:24:48pm

re: #114 makeitstop

A reporter on scene confirms an explosive device was found.

WTF?

Seriously…..a mental health facility? With a bomb? Whatever motive may be behind this I can’t even begin to reckon, because it’s so outlandish.

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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:25:09pm

The Inland Regional Center helps developmentally disabled persons and their families with integration into normal life. I can’t even begin to understand what would have to go wrong for a place like that to become a target.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:25:24pm
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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:25:38pm

re: #109 blueraven

JUST IN: Sources say 1 suspect dressed in tactical gear walked into conference room, started shooting. LIVE: t.co
— FOX 11 Los Angeles (@myfoxla) December 2, 2015

Based on that, I’ll venture a guess that it’s a disgruntled [former] employee.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:06pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last night on Hardball, Santorum said all Planned Parenthood nurses should be armed.

O_o

What, so they can fight off all the people guys like Santorum rile up with his rhetoric about abortion and Planned Parenthood?

Santorum has no room to talk…in fact he should shut the fuck up and sit down.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:10pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

WTF?

Seriously…..a mental health facility? With a bomb? Whatever motive may be behind this I can’t even begin to reckon, because it’s so outlandish.

Crazy people hostile to mental health treatment maybe. Some cults, like scientology, build in anti-mental-health beliefs so their victims don’t get help.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:15pm

re: #118 No Country For Old Haters

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Funny because I never see gun fuckers like this bitch about those who blame the lack of forced prayer, secularism, heavy metal music, etc for shooting tragedies but suggesting that we need more sensible gun laws after yet another mass shooting is “politicized.” Fuck him and his stupid guns man. Maybe if more people cared about people rather than their killing machines, we might be better off as a country. And yeah killing machines, that’s what they are. That’s me being not PC about what guns actually are- they’re killing machines.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:17pm

Anybody else remember wingnuts jumping up to urge caution and patience until we learned all the facts about the attacks in Paris?

Yeah, me neither.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:22pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

WTF?

Seriously…..a mental health facility? With a bomb? Whatever motive may be behind this I can’t even begin to reckon, because it’s so outlandish.

I’m having a really hard time wrapping my head round this whole thing.

KTLA now reporting an SUV with 3 people in it was seen speeding away from the scene.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:23pm

Live steam from ABC News in San Bernardino.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:33pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart

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Oh man.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:52pm

re: #120 KGxvi

The Inland Regional Center helps developmentally disabled persons and their families with integration into normal life. I can’t even begin to understand what would have to go wrong for a place like that to become a target.

Exactly. That’s what I can’t grasp. Disgruntled family of a current or former patient, perhaps? It’s just so utterly bizarre.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:26:54pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Anybody else remember wingnuts jumping up to urge caution and patience until we learned all the facts about the attacks in Paris?

Yeah, me neither.

Only applies as long as there’s a chance the killer(s) are white. As soon as it’s discovered otherwise, time to start piling on with the speculation.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:02pm

re: #90 Dr. Matt

inlandrc.org

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Just for background:

Inland Regional Center “coordinates with generic services to normalize the lives of people with developmental disabilities and their families by working to include them in the everyday routines and life rhythms of the community and by facilitating needed supports for them.”
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“serving roughly 21,276 (currently up to 23,000) individuals residing in San Bernardino and Riverside counties with service delivery covering an area close to 28,000 miles of geography” About 40% are from San Bernardino County.
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They fund adults who go to school, work, day programs and vocational programs

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:04pm

re: #122 Dr. Matt

Based on that, I’ll venture a guess that it’s a disgruntled [former] employee.

I doubt it. people who work with developmentally disabled tend to be very, very dedicated.

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:21pm

re: #103 Aunty Entity Dragon

Jim Dehoft claiming the shooters are gay, transsexual blacklivesmatter registered Democrats in 5…4..3..2..

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:24pm

re: #120 KGxvi

The Inland Regional Center helps developmentally disabled persons and their families with integration into normal life. I can’t even begin to understand what would have to go wrong for a place like that to become a target.

video: The ICF Holiday Party is in full swing!

Maybe the shooters are upset that they didn’t call it a “Christmas Party”.

(wish I could) /

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:45pm

re: #132 BeachDem

Just for background:

Inland Regional Center “coordinates with generic services to normalize the lives of people with developmental disabilities and their families by working to include them in the everyday routines and life rhythms of the community and by facilitating needed supports for them.”
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“serving roughly 21,276 (currently up to 23,000) individuals residing in San Bernardino and Riverside counties with service delivery covering an area close to 28,000 miles of geography” About 40% are from San Bernardino County.
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They fund adults who go to school, work, day programs and vocational programs

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That actually sounds similiar what I use. In fact, I actually had some interview practice today too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:46pm

Go fuck yourself Benjie

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:27:55pm

re: #122 Dr. Matt

Based on that, I’ll venture a guess that it’s a disgruntled [former] employee.

But three of them???

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:28:03pm
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KGxvi  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:28:35pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

I could understand if it was the “typical” mental health facility where a former patient snapped and got a hold of a family member’s gun. But this is literally kids in wheelchairs with severe mental/developmental disabilities

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:28:44pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself Benjie

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The answer, Ben, is anything other than what the right is pushing as policy, because your policy is MOAR DAKKA. And in the real world, unlike the Warhammer world, you can quite easily have too much dakka.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:29:12pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

CNN anchor was audibly upset when she saw that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:29:16pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself Benjie

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The answer to the San Bernadino shooting is maybe you should fucking shut your mouth for once and actually be a good father to your daughter instead of the terrible example you show for her by being one of the most pathetic assholes on Twitter. You’re still young Benny Boy, maybe you can redeem yourself and not be a shitheel for the rest of your days.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:29:19pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

But three of them???

Conflicting reports on the number, i.e., 1 to 3.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:29:25pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself Benjie

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:29:57pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

But three of them???

Three of them, with heavy arms and body armor, in military gear?

Why this place?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:30:31pm

re: #144 Dr. Matt

Conflicting reports on the number, i.e., 1 to 3.

Indeed… ugh. Still can’t wrap my head around this either.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:30:56pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Three of them, with heavy arms and body armor, in military gear?

Why this place?

WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:31:10pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Three of them, with heavy arms and body armor, in military gear?

Why this place?

easy target for maximum media exposure?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:31:30pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Three of them, with heavy arms and body armor, in military gear?

Why this place?

Well Dylann Roof targeted blacks because he believed they were violent. Maybe this is out of bounds but is it a stretch to think that someone would have thought to shoot up a mental health facility like this because they blamed the mentally ill for other shootings?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:31:42pm
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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:32:16pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself Benjie

The current policy - you get a gun, and you get a gun, everyone gets a gun - is not working, Ben.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:32:34pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

easy target for maximum media exposure?

I’m actually wondering if that doesn’t have something to do with it. We’re to the point now where bombing and shooting dozens of people is grounds for instant infamy, and there are people in this world who thrive on that kind of attention (or any attention at all, really).

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:32:47pm

re: #118 No Country For Old Haters

It’s kind of amazing to me that nobody’s yet created a Twitter bot that will auto-mock any use of “libtard,” which is especially tasteless in the context of where today’s attack happened.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:32:53pm

CNN had eyewitness on that said three armed white individuals in body armor leaving scene in black SUV after shooting several - possibly left package in building.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:04pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

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He wants to repeal the direct election of Senators. Interesting because I imagine if we still elected senators via the state legislature, someone like Ted Cruz who I bet this dipshit admires wouldn’t have gotten too far since Ted’s probably won few superlatives among his counterparts.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:13pm

Yup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:14pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:21pm

And this is how the terrorists win. This. Right. Here. We’re so fucking scared of everything, of each other, and so convinced that a gun is the answer to every slight, every perceived wrong, that we have lost all sense of perspective. This is what stochastic terrorism does, in the aftermath of actual terrorism (as a bonus) that this country experienced on 9/11. The fetishizing of guns and the dead is out of control.

I had to take The Kid out today to get some new shoes for work. Every store we were in had no less than 15-30 different gun/survivalist with guns type magazines in the store. We were in WalMart, Target, made a side trip to a bookstore, and the grocery store where he works. All of them had a guy on the cover in tactical gear with some kind of weapon. With stories about everything from “ooh look shiny new thing!” to building an underground bunker to trophy hunting, to how to track your prey. This shit is out of hand. Way out of hand. I can’t even find a decent gardening magazine in those places anymore, they’ve all been replaced by gun related magazines.

Are there any sane places left? Jesus.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:23pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

easy target for maximum media exposure?

I AM WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED CHILDREN RIGHT NOW. My kids today are down the hall for encore classes out of the home room here at school.

God dammit, these are fantastic, wonderful people, and I cannot understand this for the life of me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:40pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:33:52pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to feel that way too about the 2nd. I feel the 2nd is in bad need of a 21st century perspective.

Alas, it was only in the 21st Century that the Supreme Court decided the 2nd Amendment granted an individual right to bear arms that applied to state and local governments.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:34:04pm

re: #147 GlutenFreeJesus

Indeed… ugh. Still can’t wrap my head around this either.

Indeed. I work in a larger hospital and this sort of thing hits home. The one report of a shooter walking into a conference room and starting the rampage doesn’t seem random. Most conference rooms are rarely accessible to patients/outsiders and rarely obvious to find for those not familiar with the institution. My 2 cents.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:34:13pm

re: #154 ipsos

It’s kind of amazing to me that nobody’s yet created a Twitter bot that will auto-mock any use of “libtard,” which is especially tasteless in the context of where today’s attack happened.

It would be easy to do for #libtard. I don’t know if you can find any word on Twitter.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:35:30pm

Trying really hard not to speculate so early but given the location it could of been a bunch of morons who thought the regional center was a woman’s health clinic thus ABORTIONS!!!

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bratwurst  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:36:05pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:36:27pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:36:28pm

Here’s a thought: Rather than trying to change the second amendment, we should make this offer: Turn in your crazy gun neighbor and you can have his guns.

Yeah, it would be bloody for a bit.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:36:49pm

Pardon my cynic…

When is the first cable news station in America going to have a nightly Gun Deaths in America Wrap Up to go over that days mass shooting?

Seems to be plenty material to make at least a half-hour show.

Damn this country. No wait…God Damn This Country!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:03pm

re: #168 Belafon

Here’s a thought: Rather than trying to change the second amendment, we should make this offer: Turn in your crazy gun neighbor and you can have his guns.

Yeah, it would be bloody for a bit.

I’d rather have a year’s worth of IPAs.

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Ian G.  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:36pm

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think the NRA is to gun owners what Salafism is to Islam. There’s nothing wrong with being a gun owner. But there is something wrong with a paranoid white supremacist group who pumps hysteria into the minds of its members who, I dunno, may just shoot up a school/Planned Parenthood Center/random black children on the street.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:40pm

Ugh. NBC just showed what looks like two covered bodies:

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:45pm

Flight restrictions being put in place around the area.

SUV ID’d as a black GMC Yukon.

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Nyet  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:56pm

Not a day without a shooting, eh? :(

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:37:57pm

According to NBC there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic two blocks away. The shooting did NOT involve the clinic, though.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:38:11pm

re: #168 Belafon

Here’s a thought: Rather than trying to change the second amendment, we should make this offer: Turn in your crazy gun neighbor and you can have his guns.

Yeah, it would be bloody for a bit.

Then they become the crazy gun neighbor and the process repeats until one crazy gun neighbor has all the guns.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:38:19pm

Damn ghoulish libtards politicizing innocent shooting always politicizing stuff not waiting for evidence and HEAR IS VIDEO ON PLANNED PARENTHOOD PROOFS PLANNED PARENTHOOD KILLS BABIES AND SELLS THE PARTS FOR BIG MONEYS $$$$$$ DEFUND CRIMINALIZE ARREST ALL PP DOCTORS!!!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:38:20pm

re: #152 Belafon

The current policy - you get a gun, and you get a gun, everyone gets a gun - is not working, Ben.

We haven’t really tried it until we require everyone to pack heat./

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:38:35pm
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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:00pm

re: #176 No Country For Old Haters

Then they become the crazy gun neighbor and the process repeats until one crazy gun neighbor has all the guns.

And then we can finally build Trump Wall.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:04pm

Honestly the status quo simply isn’t working. Columbine was too soon. I was 12. Va Tech was too soon. I was 20. Newtown was too soon. I was 25. Now this is probably too soon and I’m 28. I really don’t care if someone does want to own a gun but we do need to regulate who has a gun and yes what kind. And frankly you don’t need a military type weapon for protection or for hunting. Radical, and maybe even gun grabbing? Sure but is’s time that gun fetishists stop acting like selfish children.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:18pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

My son actually spent a year in a full time facility that prepared people for independent living, from there he went to another center that helped him prepare and get the job he has now. I can’t even fathom a reason anyone would do this unless they are such chickenshits they picked on what they thought were weak targets. I can’t even with this shit. I just can’t. I hope they find these three fucking assholes. And only shoot them so it hurts a lot. I want them going to trial and spending the rest of their miserable existences in a shitty prison, in a tiny room with shitty food pushed through a slot in the door.

FUCK.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:37pm

re: #171 Ian G.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think the NRA is to gun owners what Salafism is to Islam. There’s nothing wrong with being a gun owner. But there is something wrong with a paranoid white supremacist group who pumps hysteria into the minds of its members who, I dunno, may just shoot up a school/Planned Parenthood Center/random black children on the street.

The most pathetic the NRA thing does is strum up the racism of its members base by telling them they need to fear minorities and ubranites.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:38pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

According to NBC there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic two blocks away. The shooting did NOT involve the clinic, though.

Let me make a guess. The dumb fucks went to the wrong building.

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Ian G.  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:39:56pm

Also, can we start a ticker on the number of Syrian refugees who have murdered people in this country vs the number of right wing white men who have?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:03pm

re: #182 A Mom Anon

My son actually spent a year in a full time facility that prepared people for independent living, from there he went to another center that helped him prepare and get the job he has now. I can’t even fathom a reason anyone would do this unless they are such chickenshits they picked on what they thought were weak targets. I can’t even with this shit. I just can’t. I hope they find these three fucking assholes. And only shoot them so it hurts a lot. I want them going to trial and spending the rest of their miserable existences in a shitty prison, in a tiny room with shitty food pushed through a slot in the door.

FUCK.

It’s heartbreaking on so many levels.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:05pm

re: #174 Nyet

Not a day without a shooting, eh? :(

America The Land of the Free.

I don’t even know what that means anymore. That’s a line from what seems to be a long-ago past.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:14pm

re: #137 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself Benjie

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:21pm

Just think how many lives could have been saved if only those victims had been armed.
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:40pm

re: #185 Ian G.

Also, can we start a ticker on the number of Syrian refugees who have murdered people in this country vs the number of right wing white men who have?

I’m more afraid of armed right wing males than I am of Syrian refugees. In fact, I want more Syrian reguees. I want to see what their cuisine is like.

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unproven innocence  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:44pm

re: #168 Belafon

Here’s a thought: Rather than trying to change the second amendment, we should make this offer: Turn in your crazy gun neighbor and you can have his guns.

Yeah, it would be bloody for a bit.

Not to mention, you can get his bullets first. Right?

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:40:46pm

re: #184 Skip Intro

I was just thinking the same thing.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:41:01pm

What city does Chuck C Johnson reside?

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:41:38pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Pardon my cynic…

When is the first cable news station in America going to have a nightly Gun Deaths in America Wrap Up to go over that days mass shooting?

Seems to be plenty material to make at least a half-hour show.

Damn this country. No wait…God Damn This Country!!!

Well, if true to form, CNN will have DanaGunz on tonight to take the MBF “Gunz are good” side. Spit.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:41:58pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Three of them, with heavy arms and body armor, in military gear?

Why this place?

They could be neo-Nazis and think they’re improving America by attacking the disabled. Nothing from the right, other than perhaps kindness, would surprise me these days.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:42:03pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

What city does Chuck C Johnson reside?

Fresno.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:42:12pm

re: #192 Kid A

I was just thinking the same thing.

me too.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:42:49pm
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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:42:53pm

re: #184 Skip Intro

Let me make a guess. The dumb fucks went to the wrong building.

I thought of that, ya know some of those anti choice people aren’t that smart they could have easily messed up. .

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:43:20pm

re: #187 ObserverArt

America The Land of the Free.

I don’t even know what that means anymore. That’s a line from what seems to be a long-ago past.

It was never true. We killed the natives, then we had slavery, then we had prohibition, now we have drug prohibition.
The elites were free to oppress the rest of us.

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:43:24pm

re: #164 No Country For Old Haters

It would be easy to do for #libtard. I don’t know if you can find any word on Twitter.

How about a filter that looks for #tcot tweets that contain the word “libtard”? That should be most of them right there…

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Ian G.  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:43:24pm

re: #187 ObserverArt

America The Land of the Free.

I don’t even know what that means anymore. That’s a line from what seems to be a long-ago past.

Home of the brave, too. Well, except for those who are scared shitless by refugees, immigrants, or black people. And express their “bravery” by shooting up a home for disabled people.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:43:28pm

re: #194 BeachDem

Well, if true to form, CNN will have DanaGunz on tonight to take the MBF “Gunz are good” side. Spit.

Yeah…might as well get some ratings and make some money off the damn tragedy. That is the American way.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:44:09pm

re: #198 Kragar

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:44:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:44:21pm

re: #198 Kragar

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I said it literally the other day after Colorado Springs. Prayer especially from someone who like Jeb is in the position to influence policy means nothing. Jeb can pray all he wants but his knees aren’t facing God, they’re facing Wayne LaPierre when he figuratively blows the NRA by refusing to consider meaningful legislation.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:44:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:45:20pm

re: #205 Jenner7

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Andy’s one of the best minds in Hollywood IMO.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:45:24pm

re: #201 ipsos

How about a filter that looks for #tcot tweets that contain the word “libtard”? That should be most of them right there…

It would require a lot of Internet traffic and processing to sift through all the posts, but I do have a spare machine and a business-class Internet connection.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:45:48pm

I think an efficient political solution to this would be to enforce the “well regulated militia” idea and emplace conditions on ownership. The Israeli system sounds like a good place to start. Permission for personal possession would be conditional based on proficiency, mental and physical health, secure storage, and availability/training for a genuine civil emergency.

The Constitution is honored while safeguards are put in place. Personally I don’t have a problem with exchanging a tiny bit of liberty for the improved safety and well-being of the entire freaking country.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:46:50pm

re: #205 Jenner7

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fern01  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:46:57pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

According to NBC there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic two blocks away. The shooting did NOT involve the clinic, though.

So the media already mentioning PP to give the RWNJs an “excuse” for the shooting. Mass murder is fine as long as you have a “cause”. Just made a mistake and went to the wrong clinic.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:47:06pm

KTLA showing SWAT and deputies running toward the buildings.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:47:30pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

According to NBC there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic two blocks away. The shooting did NOT involve the clinic, though.

Hope this isn’t just a diversion.

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:47:31pm

Fucking Dim Jim. He “reports” the attack was 20 blocks from a PP. His own link says “20 people shot, blocks from a PP.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:47:38pm

re: #210 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think an efficient political solution to this would be to enforce the “well regulated militia” idea and emplace conditions on ownership. The Israeli system sounds like a good place to start. Permission for personal possession would be conditional based on proficiency, mental and physical health, secure storage, and availability/training for a genuine civil emergency.

The Constitution is honored while safeguards are put in place. Personally I don’t have a problem with exchanging a tiny bit of liberty for the improved safety and well-being of the entire freaking country.

We have to realize how different the country was when the amendment was written. Radical I know and I know, I know it would cause an uproar if I said the same thing about the other Bills of rights but with something like guns. Plus, I think the amendment was poorly written anyhow. unlike the others which I think are pretty cut and dry.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:47:39pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

I’m more afraid of armed right wing males than I am of Syrian refugees. In fact, I want more Syrian reguees. I want to see what their cuisine is like.

++ I’d rather have them over in Irving than the gun-humping cretinous assholes we have now.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:48:20pm

re: #212 fern01

So the media already mentioning PP to give the RWNJs an “excuse” for the shooting. Mass murder is fine as long as you have a “cause”. Just made a mistake and went to the wrong clinic.

How long until the proto-fascist RWNJs are OK with slaughtering the disabled?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:48:34pm

re: #215 Kid A

Fucking Dim Jim. He “reports” the attack was 20 blocks from a PP. His own link says “20 people shot, blocks from a PP.”

20 blocks from a PP? It probably was also 20 or so blocks from a KFC.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:48:38pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Sorry guys. Yeah I am mad. I am mad because this happens time and time again and we do nothing. We scapegoat the mentally ill and then we never actually do anything about mental health. We talk about how “shocking” it is. We blame everything, everything including gay marriage, single mothers, video games, movies, etc for these shootings but the second someone tries to point out that easy access to guns does play a role, you get accused of hating America and being a Nazi. I told you, I don’t like guns. My uncle killed himself with one a couple days after Christmas fourteen years ago with one. Guns have ended more lives than they have saved. I don’t want to abolish them but I also am tired of the fetishization of them. I’m tired of seeing Republican politicians especially pose with them like they’re toys.

Oh, I’m at the point where I don’t care if guns are abolished. If we can’t have reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of certain people, then no one should have them. Too bad for the hunters. I simply do not care anymore. Fuck them all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:48:55pm

re: #217 Pawn of the Oppressor

++ I’d rather have them over in Irving than the gun-humping cretinous assholes we have now.

Much better neighbors too.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:05pm

re: #184 Skip Intro

Let me make a guess. The dumb fucks went to the wrong building.

OMG. That’s a possibility.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:12pm

spit

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bratwurst  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:22pm
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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:25pm

re: #218 No Country For Old Haters

This was my first thought when I heard about the location.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:47pm

re: #220 Sionainn

Oh, I’m at the point where I don’t care if guns are abolished. If we can’t have reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of certain people, then no one should have them. Too bad for the hunters. I simply do not care anymore. Fuck them all.

I’m almost getting to that point too. Not quite there with you yet but I’m close. I’m all out of fucks to give though. I am tired of gun worshippers whining about gun control when we actually give in their whims after all these tragedies.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:49:52pm

re: #218 No Country For Old Haters

How long until the proto-fascist RWNJs are OK with slaughtering the disabled?

yes

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:50:14pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alleged prayers from the servants of Satan probably don’t count for much.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:50:26pm

re: #215 Kid A

Fucking Dim Jim. He “reports” the attack was 20 blocks from a PP. His own link says “20 people shot, blocks from a PP.”

Well this is pretty accurate reporting for Dim Jim. Only 20 blocks or so off.
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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:50:38pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:50:49pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

spit

None of these asshole said a fucking word during right-wing terrorist attack last week.

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nines09  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:51:07pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Empty words from empty people.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:51:45pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

spit

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:51:48pm

re: #230 lawhawk

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Yeah. I’m sorry. A private citizen offering his prayers after this, sure, I’m not religious but go ahead but if you’re running for president and actually in a position to influence policy, you need to do more than just offer prayers especially through Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:52:08pm

re: #231 Dr. Matt

None of these asshole said a fucking word during right-wing terrorist attack last week.

Well they did after they were convinced he was transgendered!

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:52:14pm

re: #205 Jenner7

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As a note pencils also don’t FUCKING KILL PEOPLE. It’s fine to blame a person for writing a typo with a pen. But if guns are time and time again involved in a violent act, maybe we have to realize the tool is a fucking dangerous thing to have widespread. Maybe it should be something…I dunno, regulated. I mean, we blame people rather than the car for accidents more often than not, but we still fucking regulate them and make sure whoever owns them or drives them is cleared to do just that with them.

I don’t even want to ban any guns at all, I just want to make sure whoever owns them or uses them actually has both the ability and the attitude to use them responsibly and not prone to do stupid fucking things with them. But in this age, saying that is tantamount to saying you want stormtroopers imprisoning everyone who owns a fucking bullet, and trying to talk anyone down from that immediate conclusion turns you into the worst super-mega fascist in the history of ever, and voila, they win the fucking argument, you’re turned into the devil, and your entire position is completely delegitimized because FUCK YOU, WE’RE AMERICA!

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:52:52pm

re: #228 EPR-radar

Alleged prayers from the servants of Satan probably don’t count for much.

If Satan existed they would. Doesn’t really matter which demon you ask for favors if they exist and have power.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:52:55pm

re: #220 Sionainn

Oh, I’m at the point where I don’t care if guns are abolished. If we can’t have reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of certain people, then no one should have them. Too bad for the hunters. I simply do not care anymore. Fuck them all.

Oh, and I say this as someone who had a loaded shotgun in my closet when I lived alone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:53:06pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:53:13pm

re: #218 No Country For Old Haters

How long until the proto-fascist RWNJs are OK with slaughtering the disabled?

It should be noted that the disabled were among the first targets of the Nazis for wholesale slaughter.

The ‘useless mouths’ rhetoric used by the Nazis at the time is getting close to mainstream RWNJ rhetoric these days (e.g., ‘let them die’).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:53:16pm

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, yep but the gun makes it a lot easier, that’s why fucking guns were invented and swords haven’t been a regular part of combat in generations.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:54:41pm
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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:54:55pm

My hunch, based only on a gut feeling, is that this could be ISIS. This is the kind of place they would attack.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:54:56pm

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

too early to politicize this…

re: #2 Charles Johnson

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Too early to talk about gun control.

RWNJ gunhumpers have guaranteed that it’s always “too soon” to have any substantive discussions on guns and gun control in American society, because, by the time the shock and grief starts to wear off from one mass casualty gun incident, a new one happens.

Praise God and pass the ammunition, uber alle.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:54:56pm

Too bad Ben Carson wasn’t on the scene to rush the shooter(s).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:55:00pm

re: #238 Sionainn

Oh, and I say this as someone who had a loaded shotgun in my closet when I lived alone.

I’m the grandson of a guy who owned a ton of guns. When my grandfather died, we sold them. So it’s not like I don’t know about guns and don’t think all gun owners are irresponsible blockheads but as I got at, I’m tired of organized gun owners acting like any reasonable law is somehow a precursor for the second coming of Hitler.

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Franklin  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:55:09pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, yep but the gun makes it a lot easier, that’s why fucking guns were invented and swords haven’t been a regular part of combat in generations.

But BBQ Brush use in hand-to-hand combat is on the rise.

Man Fights Attacker With Sword Using BBQ Brush Over $6 Walmart Card

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:55:24pm

re: #245 Dr. Matt

Too bad Ben Carson wasn’t on the scene to rush the shooter(s).

Nah, he’d point to a disabled kid and go “You want this guy.”

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fern01  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:55:27pm

re: #218 No Country For Old Haters

How long until the proto-fascist RWNJs are OK with slaughtering the disabled?

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

spit

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Their prayers haven’t been doing so well - smh

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:10pm

re: #247 Franklin

But BBQ Brush use in hand-to-hand combat is on the rise.

Man Fights Attacker With Sword Using BBQ Brush Over $6 Walmart Card

Ha, nice ingenuity there pal.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:10pm

re: #243 thecommodore

My hunch, based only on a gut feeling, is that this could be ISIS. This is the kind of place they would attack.

Please tell me you’re Poe-ing. I honestly can’t even tell anymore these days.

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:17pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, yep but the gun makes it a lot easier, that’s why fucking guns were invented and swords haven’t been a regular part of combat in generations.

In fact, the primary purpose for most gun designs is to most efficiently kill other people. Guns are tools, and that is precisely what most of them are for. It is madness to have no effective regulation of guns.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:30pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, yep but the gun makes it a lot easier, that’s why fucking guns were invented and swords haven’t been a regular part of combat in generations.

Toasters don’t toast bread, people toast bread.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:56pm

re: #245 Dr. Matt

Too bad Ben Carson wasn’t on the scene to rush the shooter(s).

“Sir, I believe you want to shoot than man over there instead.”

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:56:56pm

A caller on KTLA says there was a SB County holiday party going on in the conference room,.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:57:36pm

re: #252 EPR-radar

In fact, the primary purpose for most gun designs is to most efficiently kill other people. Guns are tools, and that is precisely what most of them are for. It is madness to have no effective regulation of guns.

They’re killing machines. To think that no regulation of guns is a good idea is utter madness. Maybe there was some sense to that in a pre-industrial society. And that’s maybe even stretching it some.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:57:51pm

re: #255 makeitstop

A caller on KTLA says there was a SB County holiday party going on in the conference room,.

Disgruntled (former) employee as the shooter maybe?

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:00pm

re: #242 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:01pm

And to mock the wingnuts who cry about PC run amok, it’s PC to act like a gun is for anything but killing people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:18pm
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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:28pm

re: #243 thecommodore

My hunch, based only on a gut feeling, is that this could be ISIS. This is the kind of place they would attack.

Reports were saying they were looking for three white men.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:54pm

re: #257 Timothy Watson

Disgruntled (former) employee as the shooter maybe?

Three of them, though? No idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:58:59pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:16pm

re: #245 Dr. Matt

Too bad Ben Carson wasn’t on the scene to rush the shooter(s).

The victims were taken to a Seventh Day Adventist hospital. Maybe he’ll come out of retirement and save someone.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:23pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

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In other news, the sky is blue, grass is green, the Earth orbits the sun…just another day in America. Fuck.

For some reason, this song comes to mind—different issue, same responses:

Phil Collins - Another Day In Paradise (Official Music Video)

(song always makes me cry)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:23pm
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Testy Toad T  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:28pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

What you call “politicizing”, I call “trying to prevent frequent recurrence”.

Dumbass RWNJs.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:31pm

re: #251 Kryptik

Please tell me you’re Poe-ing. I honestly can’t even tell anymore these days.

What is Poe-ing?

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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 12:59:40pm

re: #251 Kryptik

Please tell me you’re Poe-ing. I honestly can’t even tell anymore these days.

I’m not. It’s just a hunch. But then I saw the tweet from Channel 11 saying three white men are being sought.

So so much for my hunches…but this is the kind of target ISIS would attack.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:24pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s always Muslims. Motherfuckers should look in the mirror. No, not saying we should blame all white guys for this, I’m a white guy but we do NOT scapegoat white males the way these fuckwads try to blame Muslims.

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:36pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

And to mock the wingnuts who cry about PC run amok, it’s PC to act like a gun is for anything but killing people.

Some fraction of the guns out there (probably a tiny fraction) are hunting rifles etc. that aren’t specifically designed for killing other people.

Oddly enough, RWNJ gun porn never focuses on these weapons.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:44pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ya, not like it was 3 masked white dudes that did the Heat-style robbery way back when…

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:47pm

Random internet comment:

In any other country this would be a national tragedy — in the US it’s called “Wednesday”……

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:49pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Andy’s one of the best minds in Hollywood IMO.

You MADE me do it:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:51pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Too late Greta.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:00:53pm

re: #267 Testy Toad T

What you call “politicizing”, I call “trying to prevent frequent recurrence”.

Dumbass RWNJs.

Matty isn’t a RWNJ. He’s calling them out.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:01:29pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

The victims were taken to a Seventh Day Adventist hospital. Maybe he’ll come out of retirement and save someone.

He let his license lapse. He’s no longer a licensed physician.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:01:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:01:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:01:54pm

re: #274 BeachDem

You MADE me do it:

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Hahaha yeah that was something.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:01:58pm

Just woke up from a little nap. Is this still the noon shooting, or another one?

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:02:02pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Goddammit.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:02:09pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

The victims were taken to a Seventh Day Adventist hospital. Maybe he’ll come out of retirement and save someone.

Probably Loma Linda, which the location of the Adventist Church’s medical school and medical complex.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:02:10pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:02:19pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:02:19pm

re: #269 thecommodore

Please see #263.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:11pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

And to mock the wingnuts who cry about PC run amok, it’s PC to act like a gun is for anything but killing people.

For all the bullshit about “PC” in this country, no one ever calls out how much “PC” the conservative side of the aisle perpetrates. Except instead of trying not to hurt the feelings of people who might be in a disadvantaged group, they’re focused on not hurting the feelings of the advantaged or the inanimate (corporations, guns, etc.).

Same with Conservative comedy: they’re more worried about punching down than letting us punch up.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:30pm

re: #283 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Probably Loma Linda, which the location of the Adventist Church’s medical school and medical complex.

Yep. KTLA is showing med staff waiting outside the doors of the emergency room at Loma Linda. Apparently the victims haven’t arrived yet.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:33pm

re: #268 Sionainn

What is Poe-ing?

It’s when you make an outlandish statement that is hard to distinguish from something, in our case, a right winger would make.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:35pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:44pm

I’m puzzled by the location too. What’s the emotional hook for an angry white guy killing disabled people? It doesn’t make sense.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:03:55pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:04:58pm

re: #176 No Country For Old Haters

Then they become the crazy gun neighbor and the process repeats until one crazy gun neighbor has all the guns.

And at that point, you build a YOOOOGE BEAUTIFUL wall around them.

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:05:44pm

re: #291 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m puzzled by the location too. What’s the emotional hook for an angry white guy killing disabled people? It doesn’t make sense.

Former patient? :/ (in which case, expect the durr hurr mentul illnuss not gunz!!!1!! talk to hit maximum overdrive)

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:05:48pm

re: #268 Sionainn

What is Poe-ing?

“Without a clear indication of the author’s intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.”
rationalwiki.org

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:06:21pm

ABC7 just gave some disjointed report about the shooting may have started over a dispute about a reserved space/location that took place earlier in the day…..????

*I’m just as confused….I’m only a messenger*

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:06:35pm

re: #278 Kragar

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:07:19pm
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:08:17pm
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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:08:29pm

re: #298 Kragar

She left out “and lower taxes.”

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:08:35pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

According to NBC there’s a Planned Parenthood clinic two blocks away. The shooting did NOT involve the clinic, though.

PP lower left, Inland center upper right:

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:09:52pm

re: #283 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Probably Loma Linda, which the location of the Adventist Church’s medical school and medical complex.

Yep.

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:10:17pm

re: #298 Kragar

By now I’m cynical enough to believe that the NRA etc. prefers to have a high rate of mass shootings. Each incident gives them an opportunity to push for more guns and also push their end of civilization (therefore stock up on guns and ammo) narrative.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:10:25pm

re: #301 jaunte

PP lower left, Inland center upper right:

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That’s 1.5 miles away.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:10:48pm

re: #287 Kryptik

For all the bullshit about “PC” in this country, no one ever calls out how much “PC” the conservative side of the aisle perpetrates. Except instead of trying not to hurt the feelings of people who might be in a disadvantaged group, they’re focused on not hurting the feelings of the advantaged or the inanimate (corporations, guns, etc.).

Same with Conservative comedy: they’re more worried about punching down than letting us punch up.

Yep.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:10:50pm

re: #301 jaunte

PP lower left, Inland center upper right:

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I read 1.6 miles apart.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:11:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:11:51pm

re: #307 Jenner7

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Lovely.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:11:52pm

Live update from a San Bernardino Police Sergeant:

*Limited updated info
*The shooting took place at an event being held at the hospital/institution
*One of the shooters MAY have left in a black SUV
*Fatalities and injured unconfirmed

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:12:23pm

Th addresses aren’t similar, I doubt they could be easily mixed up.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:12:52pm

San Bernardino Police scanner:

broadcastify.com

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:12:59pm

re: #298 Kragar

This. I’m lucky that I don’t have any wingnuts in my Facebook friends, but most of my friends share posts that ask everyone to pray for some person or event. I need to go share that Betty Bower’s sentiment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:13:02pm

re: #307 Jenner7

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Testy Toad T  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:13:17pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

By now I’m cynical enough to believe that the NRA etc. prefers to have a high rate of mass shootings. Each incident gives them an opportunity to push for more guns and also push their end of civilization (therefore stock up on guns and ammo) narrative.

Hell, I’m cynical enough to think they’re rooting for Hillary so they can push another wave of buy-it-or-miss-it mania. God knows we’re all aware Democrats are too chickenshit to actually push for serious restrictions.

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danarchy  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:13:44pm

Police seem to be confirming multiple shooters now. Also apparently the conference room that got shot up was being rented out to an outside group maybe.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:13:52pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:13:55pm

Hey, guys, don’t worry, all is well. Look:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans said it was time to end “the pain and hurt” of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul as they pushed Wednesday toward Senate passage of legislation dismantling that law and blocking Planned Parenthood’s federal funds. To no one’s surprise, the White House promised that Obama would veto the bill.

Republicans are trying to end all the pain and butthurt they’ve experienced as Obama and Democrats got credit for insuring more Americans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:14:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:14:27pm
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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:14:28pm

re: #243 thecommodore

My hunch, based only on a gut feeling, is that this could be ISIS. This is the kind of place they would attack.

If it is ISIS sympathizers…the shit is going to hit the fan. Hard.

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lawhawk  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:12pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:25pm

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

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Ireland still looks inviting. Of all the places in my travels, along with Portugal, it’s the place I felt the most at home.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:28pm

re: #315 danarchy

Police seem to be confirming multiple shooters now. Also apparently the conference room that got shot up was being rented out to an outside group maybe.

A caller on KTLA earlier (an IT worker for SB County) said his daughter was there and in the ladies’ room when the attacks started. He said it was a county holiday party.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:35pm

re: #268 Sionainn

Link

Poe’s law is an Internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, parodies of extreme views will be mistaken by some readers for sincere expressions of the parodied views

re: #269 thecommodore

I’m not. It’s just a hunch. But then I saw the tweet from Channel 11 saying three white men are being sought.

So so much for my hunches…but this is the kind of target ISIS would attack.

Please tell me exactly how this is a place that ISIS would logically attack?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:50pm

Will Facebook provide the option for users to add the California flag to their profile pic?

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:15:58pm

re: #321 lawhawk

Jeebus.

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leftynyc  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:16:03pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Any reason she’s only giving that advice to the GOP? Could she make fox’s leanings any more obvious?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:16:13pm

re: #321 lawhawk

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Yes, it’s Obama’s fault not the paranoid sissy boys at the NRA who need a gun to feel safe when they’re buying sandwiches.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:16:20pm

re: #320 blueraven

They still won’t want to do anything about guns.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:16:27pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:16:49pm

Additionally, I dunno if anyone else is experiencing this or not, but the site is running absolutely terrible for me, to the point of not responding until maybe 2-3 minutes after I click a button or click into the reply box, on top of video ads forcing me to the bottom of the page and then completely freezing the entire page.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:17:19pm

re: #331 Kryptik

Additionally, I dunno if anyone else is experiencing this or not, but the site is running absolutely terrible for me, to the point of not responding until maybe 2-3 minutes after I click a button or click into the reply box, on top of video ads forcing me to the bottom of the page and then completely freezing the entire page.

Fine for me. Are you mobile or on a computer?

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:17:34pm

re: #307 Jenner7

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I guess I called it wrong—thought DanaGunz would be the first big “get” on CNN.
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:18:45pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:18:51pm

re: #331 Kryptik

Additionally, I dunno if anyone else is experiencing this or not, but the site is running absolutely terrible for me, to the point of not responding until maybe 2-3 minutes after I click a button or click into the reply box, on top of video ads forcing me to the bottom of the page and then completely freezing the entire page.

One idea which may help is to disable Flash in your browser. In general Flash is of the devil, and in particular flash ads can be very disruptive.

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:19:02pm

re: #324 Kryptik

Link

Please tell me exactly how this is a place that ISIS would logically attack?

It is a very soft target which the jihadist like to target. So, you can disagree with thecommodore, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:19:04pm

They are looking for someone around a discount mall that was seen in camo with a headset on. from the police scanner.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:20:10pm

re: #332 GlutenFreeJesus

Fine for me. Are you mobile or on a computer?

Desktop, and it’s been only this page, and only when video ads are either actively playing or loading. And when they’re loading, most likely the page just dies completely.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:20:44pm

re: #336 blueraven

It is a very soft target which the jihadist like to target. So, you can disagree with thecommodore, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Any medical facility is going to have controlled entry and some sort of security procedures in place. Literally any restaurant or grocery store would be “softer” by any reasonable metric.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:20:46pm

re: #338 Kryptik

Desktop, and it’s been only this page, and only when video ads are either actively playing or loading. And when they’re loading, most likely the page just dies completely.

Subscribing will fix that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:21:13pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:21:23pm

re: #335 EPR-radar

One idea which may help is to disable Flash in your browser. In general Flash is of the devil, and in particular flash ads can be very disruptive.

Not an option on this station, and in general, there are still other pages I want flash active on for certain things. The current slate of video ads are killing the usability for this page specifically for me.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:21:26pm

re: #315 danarchy

Police seem to be confirming multiple shooters now. Also apparently the conference room that got shot up was being rented out to an outside group maybe.

I heard something about the outside group renting the conference room as well. I’ve worked in three different hospitals and have never heard of renting conference rooms to outside groups. Odd.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:21:26pm

re: #337 Tigger2

They are looking for someone around a discount mall that was seen in camo with a headset on.

Heh….around here, that’s half the 15-30 year-old male population. And about 25% of the women!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:22:19pm

re: #338 Kryptik

Desktop, and it’s been only this page, and only when video ads are either actively playing or loading. And when they’re loading, most likely the page just dies completely.

Hmmm. I’ve got Chrome and AdBlock. No problems. :(

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:22:24pm

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

Heh….around here, that’s half the 15-30 year-old male population. And about 25% of the women!

Camo’s big in the CR among the kiddos?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:23:20pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Camo’s big in the CR among the kiddos?

Definitely. Lots of people wear it here, at least in my part of the country. It’s commonplace.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:23:47pm

Let’s hope they take at least one of these alive.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:23:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:02pm

re: #343 Dr. Matt

I heard something about the outside group renting the conference room as well. I’ve worked in three different hospitals and have never heard of renting conference rooms to outside groups. Odd.

It was the county that rented the room.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:22pm

So if the space was being rented out for a municipal event, it would make more sense. Unfortunately.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:27pm

re: #336 blueraven

It is a very soft target which the jihadist like to target. So, you can disagree with thecommodore, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Most foreign ISIS-related attacks have seemed to focus on both political significance and potential for high body count. Foreign terrorism in the US in general has seemed to focus on that. So unless this bucks that trend, I’m not really sold on ISIS attacking a center like this at all.

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Kid A  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:39pm

re: #347 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. Lots of people wear it here, at least in my part of the country. It’s commonplace.

Ah okay. Didn’t see that in Prague but you’re in a more rural part aren’t you? I am planning to get my ass back in that general direction some day now that I know where in your neighbor Slovakia my family came from. Ever been to the Presov area?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:42pm

Savannah was three injured, one fatality.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:24:54pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

They’re white. No worries about that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:25:08pm

re: #353 Kid A

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Yep that’s the goddamned truth.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:25:08pm
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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:25:31pm

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

Heh….around here, that’s half the 15-30 year-old male population. And about 25% of the women!

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

Heh….around here, that’s half the 15-30 year-old male population. And about 25% of the women!

The person that reported it also said he was armed , but anymore that doesn’t mean anything.

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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:25:44pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

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The Oracle of Wrong strikes again.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:04pm

Three white guys…and it’s related to Middle Eastern terrorism.

Ooookay.

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:23pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

CCJ is very talented. It take real imagination to regard his own colon polyps as ‘police sources’.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:28pm

NBC is reporting a SWAT situation in Pasadena - possible related to San Bernadino

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:28pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Ah okay. Didn’t see that in Prague but you’re in a more rural part aren’t you? I am planning to get my ass back in that general direction some day now that I know where in your neighbor Slovakia my family came from. Ever been to the Presov area?

Yeah, I’m in Moravian Silesia, much more rural here. Never been to Prešov, actually. Been to Nitra a couple of times, though and the High Tatras.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:30pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Ah okay. Didn’t see that in Prague but you’re in a more rural part aren’t you? I am planning to get my ass back in that general direction some day now that I know where in your neighbor Slovakia my family came from. Ever been to the Presov area?

My great-grandparents were from Presov.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:38pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

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Sure they are. Just like they told you that your stache doesn’t make you look like a 70’s era pornstar with every std in the book.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:56pm

HPD homicide detectives are at the Clinica Hispana at 8410 Fondren. A police source says there was a shooting, and two people have been detained.
abc13.com

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:26:58pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was the county that rented the room.

Ah. Yeah. Just head that.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:27:01pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Savannah was three injured, one fatality.

Don’t you just hate it when you spend weeks planning your massacre, and some lone wolf nutcase grabs your timeslot?

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lizardofid  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:28:14pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

Let’s hope they take at least one of these alive.

Yes, clarity, though of little solace to the wounded and dead, would be extremely helpful in the pursuit of the guilty.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:28:36pm

re: #291 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m puzzled by the location too. What’s the emotional hook for an angry white guy killing disabled people? It doesn’t make sense.

That is why disgruntled ex-employee seems to be a good theory, but at this time its all speculation.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:28:48pm

re: #345 GlutenFreeJesus

Hmmm. I’ve got Chrome and AdBlock. No problems. :(

I wouldn’t use a web browser without blocking ads due to the security risk of Flash ads. I subscribe here, so there’s nothing to block.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:28:56pm

re: #364 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I’m in Moravian Silesia, much more rural here. Never been to Prešov, actually. Been to Nitra a couple of times, though and the High Tatras.

Ah okay. It looks beautiful really. i’m convinced that I may have some fairly close 4th or less cousins still residing in the area. I don’t know any Slovak though and it’s a pretty rural area so access would be a pita but man I’d love to meet some cousins.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:29:09pm

re: #367 jaunte

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Oh fuck.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:29:41pm

Instead of that always-running national debt clock, or the doomsday clock, how about a dead by guns in the USA clock?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:30:17pm

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

NBC is reporting a SWAT situation in Pasadena - possible related to San Bernadino

NBC now reporting Pasadena situation is not related to San Bernardino shootings

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:30:36pm

re: #345 GlutenFreeJesus

Hmmm. I’ve got Chrome and AdBlock. No problems. :(

Not an option, this is a workstation, rather than my personal comp.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:30:48pm

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

Instead of that always-running national debt clock, or the doomsday clock, how about a dead by guns in the USA clock?

You wouldn’t even need a 24 hour clock.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:31:16pm

3:30 EST: WHY HASN’T OBAMA SAID ANYTHING YET?!

4:30 EST: WHY IS OBAMA INJECTING HIMSELF INTO THE STORY!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:31:17pm

They had armor huh. Yeah I don’t see why that should be available to the general population.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:31:29pm

re: #379 Dr. Matt

3:30 EST: WHY HASN’T OBAMA SAID ANYTHING YET?!

4:30 EST: WHY IS OBAMA INJECTING HIMSELF INTO THE STORY!

Aye pretty much.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:31:37pm

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

re: #378 No Country For Old Haters

It wouldn’t be a clock, it’d be a stopwatch.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:32:13pm

re: #377 Kryptik

Not an option, this is a workstation, rather than my personal comp.

Then you’re left with 3 options. Live with the slowdown, close the page, or subscribe. I’d go with the 3rd if you value this site. Otherwise, I’d go with #2.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:32:28pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

By now I’m cynical enough to believe that the NRA etc. prefers to have a high rate of mass shootings. Each incident gives them an opportunity to push for more guns and also push their end of civilization (therefore stock up on guns and ammo) narrative.

after every mass shooting, gun sales go up just look at what happened over the weekend. The gun industry and their puppet, the NRA, couldn’t be happier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:32:51pm
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Unabogie  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:32:57pm

Could this be the shooter moving on to somewhere else?

rawstory.com

The local police scanner stated that shots were fired at a Target store about 10 miles away from the Inland Regional Center.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:33:04pm

re: #379 Dr. Matt

3:30 EST: WHY HASN’T OBAMA SAID ANYTHING YET?!

4:30 EST: WHY IS OBAMA INJECTING HIMSELF INTO THE STORY!

Only because they live to complain and have nothing better to do.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:33:06pm

re: #378 No Country For Old Haters

You wouldn’t even need a 24 hour clock.

Point being, let it update live as reports come in. Have a hyperlink to embed in your website so more people would see.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:33:51pm

WTFF, America??Three shootings in one afternoon, at least 2 of them with multiple victims? I just…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:34:00pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:34:25pm

The report of multiple shooters is most unusual for these events, sadly granting that we have reached the point in this country where a mass shooting is not especially unusual in and of itself.
This highlights a difference between mass shootings in Europe and this country. In Europe, besides being much more “unusual,” mass shootings are usually the work of organized gangs rather than individual “lone wolves,” Anders Breivik being a notorious exception. Whether ideological terrorists or (more rarely) common criminals, it generally takes an organized, planned effort to get around local gun laws and provide the weapons in the first place. In this country, getting the weapons is the least of the shooter’s concerns and any nutcase can do it.

(Edited for clarity)

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:34:57pm

Constitutional scholar:

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:35:33pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, I’m behind. It’s 4 now. *smh*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:35:42pm

Clinica Hispanica, a women’s health center.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:35:44pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Targeted assassination because xyz voted to ban abc.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:36:38pm

Greatest country on Earth.

It especially feels that way when you have to flip through the concurrent mass shooting reports to figure out which ones might be related.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:37:31pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

Houston Police say one person is dead outside a southwest Houston clinic following a Wednesday afternoon shooting.

They’re going to have to start using timestamps.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:37:50pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Clinica Hispanica, a brown women’s health center.

FTFY //

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:38:35pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Possible sovereign citizen-type group with a beef against the county?

So pathetic that we have to sit here, seemingly day after day, massacre after massacre, tallying the dead. I’m a gun owner; I enjoy shooting. But I would happily give mine up today if it meant no more bodies tomorrow.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:39:14pm

re: #392 jaunte

Constitutional scholar:

Who is this Troubled Heart?

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:39:50pm

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

Instead of that always-running national debt clock, or the doomsday clock, how about a dead by guns in the USA clock?

Needs to be a stopwatch rather than a clock.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:39:52pm

re: #400 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

A writer for National Review.

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Jay C  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:39:56pm

re: #392 jaunte

Constitutional scholar:

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Who is this guy, and what is he gibbering about?

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:40:04pm

re: #392 jaunte

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:40:05pm

re: #389 CuriousLurker

WTFF, America??Three shootings in one afternoon, at least 2 of them with multiple victims? I just…

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I think your count might be low. Someone linked to a report at a Target store.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:41:06pm

re: #399 Whack-A-Mole

Possible sovereign citizen-type group with a beef against the county?

So pathetic that we have to sit here, seemingly day after day, massacre after massacre, tallying the dead. I’m a gun owner; I enjoy shooting. But I would happily give mine up today if it meant no more bodies tomorrow.

Impossible to say at the moment. Hopefully, the perp (or perps) will be taken alive and then we’ll have a clearer picture. Typically however, mass shooters off themselves once they’ve accomplished their “mission”, though there are exceptions to that particular rule.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:41:38pm

re: #399 Whack-A-Mole

Possible sovereign citizen-type group with a beef against the county?

So pathetic that we have to sit here, seemingly day after day, massacre after massacre, tallying the dead. I’m a gun owner; I enjoy shooting. But I would happily give mine up today if it meant no more bodies tomorrow.

It’s really too early to even speculate. There are just too many kinds of murderous dipshits running loose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:42:12pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:42:34pm

re: #402 jaunte

A writer for National Review.

Ah. A professional pinhead, then.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:42:42pm

Over 3 hours since the first shots and very little is known (or has been released). Odd.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:42:54pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

I think your count might be low. Someone linked to a report at a Target store.

Apparently, that turned out to be nothing. Needless to say, with a mass shooter - or shooters - on the loose, everyone’s jumpy as hell and that’s not gonna make the job of the police in apprehending suspect(s) any easier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:42:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:43:22pm

re: #345 GlutenFreeJesus

Hmmm. I’ve got Chrome and AdBlock. No problems. :(

You folks realize that when you visit LGF with an ad blocker, you’re having a very negative impact on the income I need to keep this site going and pay the bills, right?

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Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:43:29pm

Why are people talking like the shooters being white precludes them from being linked to Islamist terorrism? Islamic extremism isn’t a race. Remember the Tsarnaevs?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:44:07pm

re: #402 jaunte

A writer for National Review.

Yet another reason why that’s a disgraceful rag. They continue to lie about the President’s stance on guns.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:44:09pm

Social services facility?

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:44:32pm

re: #391 Shiplord Kirel

The report of multiple shooters is most unusual for these events, sadly granting that we have reached the point in this country where a mass shooting is not especially unusual in and of itself.
This highlights a difference between mass shootings in Europe and this country. In Europe, besides being much more “unusual,” mass shootings are usually the work of organized gangs rather than individual “lone wolves.” Whether ideological terrorists or (more rarely) common criminals, it generally takes an organized, planned effort to get around local gun laws and provide the weapons in the first place. In this country, getting the weapons is the least of the shooter’s concerns and any nutcase can do it.

With the reports that it was a county get-together in the conference room, I’m wondering if the shooters were family members with code violations or some other property (or tax) violation that the county was pursuing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:45:02pm

oh, look who has arrived with a lecture…

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:45:07pm

SQUIRREL!! LOL

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:45:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:46:09pm

re: #416 CuriousLurker

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Social services facility?

Probably an accurate description, more or less.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:46:30pm

re: #210 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think an efficient political solution to this would be to enforce the “well regulated militia” idea and emplace conditions on ownership. The Israeli system sounds like a good place to start. Permission for personal possession would be conditional based on proficiency, mental and physical health, secure storage, and availability/training for a genuine civil emergency.

The Constitution is honored while safeguards are put in place. Personally I don’t have a problem with exchanging a tiny bit of liberty for the improved safety and well-being of the entire freaking country.

I have been arguing for this for some time. Bring back the fucking militia if we are going to keep that in the Bill of Rights. Everybody registered as a gun owner (register the owners instead of the guns) shows up for drill, first aid training and disaster aid training one weekend every three months. That is how we rolled in 1780.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:46:37pm

re: #420 Dr. Matt

And yet not a single gun has been confiscated.

They can’t stand a black president.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:46:41pm

re: #416 CuriousLurker

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Social services facility?

///Moochers///

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:46:55pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

You folks realize that when you visit LGF with an ad blocker, you’re having a very negative impact on the income I need to keep this site going and pay the bills, right?

I do, and that’s why I try not to use it on pages where I do want to support things. I don’t even mind ads in general, just specific ones that either actively harm computers or take up so much resources that it renders a page unusable, and that usually comes down to the ad servers side than anything.

Anyways, all I was doing bringing it up was making sure if anyone else was experiencing the same issue to see if it was down to an actively limiting ad set or something.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:47:12pm

re: #420 Dr. Matt

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Well, then it’s clearly his fault. Because REASONS!!

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:47:32pm

“Americans need to realize that the violent radicalization threat in the US won’t look like the Middle East’s. It will look American.”
—Hend Amry @LibyaLiberty

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:47:48pm

re: #424 Dave In Austin

///Moochers///

You read my mind.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:48:30pm

re: #420 Dr. Matt

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Clearly, this is because of Obama, and this should be more than enough reason to impeach him and try him for treason. He’s using his magical voodoo powers to get Americans to keep killing each other!

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:49:38pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

You folks realize that when you visit LGF with an ad blocker, you’re having a very negative impact on the income I need to keep this site going and pay the bills, right?

However, most adblockers will let you whitelist sites; that way, one can whitelist LGF, but keep the extension/addon active to kill ads elsewhere.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:49:45pm

We don’t know yet, of course, but this doesn’t seem like the kind of target an Islamist terror group would choose.

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:49:49pm

re: #420 Dr. Matt

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The Republicans don’t like PC then I wont be PC anymore.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:49:50pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:50:03pm

re: #430 TedStriker

However, most adblockers will let you whitelist sites; that way, one can whitelist LGF, but keep the extension/addon active.

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:50:05pm

in other news today:

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:50:27pm

re: #416 CuriousLurker

It’s a long way and a couple translations to the editors in Dubai.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:50:55pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

I know. I try to use the Amazon affiliate link though. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:51:06pm

It was the San Bernardino County Health Department that rented the room for its annual awards banquet.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:51:29pm

re: #431 Charles Johnson

We don’t know yet, of course, but this doesn’t seem like the kind of target an Islamist terror group would choose.

As I said above, those kind of terrorist attacks seem to value both political symbolism and potential body count over anything. This seems way too below the ballpark for a major foreign terrorist attack.

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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:51:54pm

re: #434 Charles Johnson

Thanks for reminding me I need to re-whitelist LGF (had a problem with an obtrusive ad awhile back and forgot until now).

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:52:19pm

re: #427 jaunte

“Americans need to realize that the violent radicalization threat in the US won’t look like the Middle East’s. It will look American.”
—Hend Amry @LibyaLiberty

Funny you should mention Libya…Over at FR they know who the shooter is (Farouk Sayed because someone heard it on the police scanner) along with the motive (supporting Assad, presumably pulled directly out of someone’s nether regions) and that there has been a sighting of the SUV he or they escaped in at a discount mall. Imagine that, an SUV parked at a discount mall.

Of course there have also been many other insights to go with those. Gah.

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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:52:26pm

re: #336 blueraven

It is a very soft target which the jihadist like to target. So, you can disagree with thecommodore, but it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

No it isn’t. My main thought was that this attack looks like it was planned with a degree of sophistication, like the Paris attack. I don’t think it’s ISIS or any other jihadist group anymore, or any other “lone nut” for that matter because both would probably have killed themselves as part of the event.

The fact that three people got away is the twist on this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:53:00pm

presser to begin soon.

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It's on his hat!  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:53:11pm

It’d probably be a good idea for us all to put away our Jump to Conclusions Mats until more information is available.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:53:18pm

Most of the speculation assumes competent terrorists.

446
Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:53:50pm

re: #442 thecommodore

No it isn’t. My main thought was that this attack looks like it was planned with a degree of sophistication, like the Paris attack. I don’t think it’s ISIS or any other jihadist group anymore, or any other “lone nut” for that matter because both would probably have killed themselves as part of the event.

The fact that three people got away is the twist on this.

Indeed, while foreign terrorist attacks have been both crude and sophisticated, one of the general hallmarks is that they terrorists don’t make a run for it after the deed is done. They generally tend to stay and cause as much carnage as possible in order to instill the greatest amount of terror in their intended targets.

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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:54:02pm

re: #429 Kryptik

Clearly, this is because of Obama, and this should be more than enough reason to impeach him and try him for treason. He’s using his magical voodoo powers to get Americans to keep killing each other!

A comment on a right wing message board:

Isn’t it odd how the frequency of such events seems to have increased since the Marxist came into power?

I’m not saying he is staging the events, but he is awfully eager to politicize them as best as he can.

I also think that there is a connection between the frequency of these shootings and Obama’s policies/platforms.

448
Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:54:16pm

re: #439 Kryptik

Well the targets in Paris weren’t exactly symbolic either. It just seemed like random soft targets to cause maximum terror. ISIS doesn’t necessarily follow the same modus operandi as Al Qaeda.

449
Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:54:25pm

Save for future use tomorrow

450
wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:55:06pm

re: #444 It’s on his hat!

It’d probably be a good idea for us all to put away our Jump to Conclusions Mats Springboards until more information is available.

Fixed that for the well-equipped.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:55:10pm
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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:55:27pm

re: #447 thecommodore

I also think that there is a connection between the frequency of these shootings and Obama’s policies/platforms.

Another comletely disguised conspiracy involving thousands of people who never slip up.

453
CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:55:47pm

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, look who has arrived with a lecture…

Yeah, derp! Islamist terrorists go for high value targets, so I doubt hispanic women’s health clinics and social services facilities are high on their lists.

The Boston Marathon, WTC, Pentagon—they were all “sexy” targets. You didn’t see them flying planes into Harlem or the Bronx, and they’re not going to attack events like the Caribbean or Puerto Rican Day parade. //

454
Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:56:00pm

Chuck C. Johnson’s really getting his hate on now.

455
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:56:01pm

presser just started

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:56:52pm

Presser underway: abc7.com

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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:56:58pm

re: #446 Targetpractice

Indeed, while foreign terrorist attacks have been both crude and sophisticated, one of the general hallmarks is that they terrorists don’t make a run for it after the deed is done. They generally tend to stay and cause as much carnage as possible in order to instill the greatest amount of terror in their intended targets.

I’m not sure it was a sovereign citizen, militia, or other right wing group either. For the same reasons. The perps usually get taken out because they aren’t smart enough to do the damage they intend and then get away. This really seems like a horse of a different color.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:57:02pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

in other news today:

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Good. Hopefully that’ll wipe the smirk off his face for a while. Asshole.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:57:04pm

re: #447 thecommodore

A comment on a right wing message board:

Isn’t it odd how the frequency of such events seems to have increased since the Marxist came into power?

I’m not saying he is staging the events, but he is awfully eager to politicize them as best as he can.

I also think that there is a connection between the frequency of these shootings and Obama’s policies/platforms.

It never occurs to these geniuses that it’s their friends, neighbors, and cousins perpetrating the “events”. Elect a guy they hate, hate shootings go up - WHO SAW THAT COMING??! SHOCKA

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:57:32pm

re: #454 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson’s really getting his hate on now.

Embedded Image

How is this OK with Facebook?

Fuck him.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:57:34pm
462
jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:57:39pm

Confederate flags, so banned.

463
Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:11pm

re: #451 Kragar

Are you going to put fruit on animals next?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:19pm

Preliminary numbers per San Bernardino PD Chief of Police: Up to 3 entered the building; 14 people dead, 14 injured.

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Nyet  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:31pm

re: #430 TedStriker

However, most adblockers will let you whitelist sites; that way, one can whitelist LGF, but keep the extension/addon active to kill ads elsewhere.

That’s exactly how I do it.

466
Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:34pm

re: #392 jaunte

Constitutional scholar:

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He actually has a point. Since the SCOTUS affirmed gun ownership as a constitutional right, you would actually have to have a court hearing for a no-fly list person to be stripped of the right to have a gun (like how a judge can strip you of gun ownership when a restraining order is placed on you. You undergo due process and can argue your case and have it adjudicated).

The no-fly list has no due process procedure and no mechanism for correction, challenge or review. Flying on an airplane is not a right, of course, and the no fly list does not restrict you from using other forms of travel.

467
Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:40pm

WTF..14 people dead, 14 injured.

468
stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:44pm

The NRA Holiday Song via Balloon Juice

‘Tis the season to be shot up
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA, LA-LA-LA-LA
Mentally ill transgendered leftists
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA, LA-LA-LA-LA
Shame on your for making this political
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA, LA-LA-LA-LA
We don’t know all the facts yet
FA-LA-LA-LA-LA, LA-LA-LA-LA

469
Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:55pm

Oh my god..

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:58:59pm

re: #423 Belafon

And yet not a single gun has been confiscated.

They can’t stand a black president.

Yes but Obama has plans to confiscate every gun and throw all wingnuts into FEMA camp trailer parks.

/

471
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:09pm

re: #454 Charles Johnson

re: #462 jaunte

So we’ll stop flying mosques on Government buildings?

472
Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:22pm

re: #463 Belafon

Are you going to put fruit on animals next?

473
jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:29pm

re: #466 Aunty Entity Dragon

I guess they’ll have to sue.

474
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:29pm

re: #454 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson’s really getting his hate on now.

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Well isn’t he just a bright ray of sunshine and Freedom.

//

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:44pm

re: #436 Great White Snark

It’s a long way and a couple translations to the editors in Dubai.

Maybe, but I assume that like most news agencies they have people on the ground here in the U.S.

476
plansbandc  Dec 2, 2015 • 1:59:57pm

The cars kill more people than guns argument is so fucking stupid. I have a headache over my eye because some idiot tweeted that shit in my timeline.

477
Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:00:06pm
478
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:00:32pm

re: #476 plansbandc

The cars kill more people than guns argument is so fucking stupid. I have a headache over my eye because some idiot tweeted that shit in my timeline.

Let me know when you use your gun to get to and from work, or to go buy groceries.

479
Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:00:52pm
480
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:01:08pm

FBI: It may be or may not be a terrorist incident.

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:01:13pm

I was talking about the time of Obama’s 2nd term not about today, I guess this wingnuts mind works slow.

482
Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:01:14pm

re: #476 plansbandc

The cars kill more people than guns argument is so fucking stupid. I have a headache over my eye because some idiot tweeted that shit in my timeline.

Especially since cars don’t.

483
Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:01:15pm

Live presser at abc7.com

*Suspects may have fled the area
*Public buildings have been shut down for the day

484
Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:01:26pm

re: #457 thecommodore

I’m not sure it was a sovereign citizen, militia, or other right wing group either. For the same reasons. The perps usually get taken out because they aren’t smart enough to do the damage they intend and then get away. This really seems like a horse of a different color.

Which, as has already been noted, points to a level of sophistication outside of the usual “mentally ill lone wolf.” Then again, James Holmes came up with a fairly sophisticated manner for his shooting, and the Columbine boys went so far as to build some explosive devices, even if they turned out to mostly be duds.

485
Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:02:09pm

re: #483 Dr. Matt

Live presser at abc7.com

*Suspects may have fled the area
*Public buildings have been shut down for the day

*Do not know if this is a “terrorist incident”

486
Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:02:18pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

FBI: It may be or may not be a terrorist incident.

The determination, of course, relying totally on the skin color/religious beliefs of the perps.

487
Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:02:40pm

re: #448 Desmond

Well the targets in Paris weren’t exactly symbolic either. It just seemed like random soft targets to cause maximum terror. ISIS doesn’t necessarily follow the same modus operandi as Al Qaeda.

The initial bombing targeted the Stade de France, one of the biggest stadiums in Europe, during a high-profile friendly with the French President attending, and the rest of the attacks seem to follow off that mark, attacking reasonably busy thoroughfares as well as a well known theatre that was having a show with a decently sized audience. Seems like the attack was rather well organized and aiming for mass panic and body count there, with significant targets in mind, rather than just looking for ‘random soft’ targets.

488
thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:02:46pm

re: #451 Kragar

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Here’s another hedgehog

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:03:03pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

FBI: It may be or may not be a terrorist incident.

490
Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:03:18pm

re: #477 Jenner7

If this were takfiri terrorists, they wouldn’t have run for it; that’s not their style. They would’ve shot the place up then waited til the cops roll up and go out in blaze of glory as “martyrs” in a firefight with the police or blow themselves up with IED’s.

Most likely.

491
thedopefishlives  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:00pm

re: #482 Belafon

Especially since cars don’t.

And even if they did, still, cars are licensed and those licenses are strictly enforced. Why shouldn’t we do the same with guns?

492
Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:08pm

Whoever it was, it was a false flag.

493
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:24pm

PD Chief: The facility has hundreds of employees, the building houses several county and state agencies.

494
Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:30pm

re: #489 GlutenFreeJesus

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Schrodinger’s terrorist.

495
Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:37pm

re: #476 plansbandc

The cars kill more people than guns argument is so fucking stupid. I have a headache over my eye because some idiot tweeted that shit in my timeline.

And hey, fun fact, we recognize how dangerous unfettered car use can be enough to REGULATE AND LEGISLATE THE SHIT OUT OF THOSE THINGS. So, I dunno, that argument seems rather lame coming from the assholes who try and perpetuate it.

496
Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:04:48pm

re: #484 Targetpractice

Which, as has already been noted, points to a level of sophistication outside of the usual “mentally ill lone wolf.” Then again, James Holmes came up with a fairly sophisticated manner for his shooting, and the Columbine boys went so far as to build some explosive devices, even if they turned out to mostly be duds.

IIRC, the Columbine massacre was actually intended to be a bombing, and when they failed to go off, the shooting spree was sort of an improvised ‘Plan B’.

497
Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:05:10pm

re: #473 jaunte

I guess they’ll have to sue.

There is no way to get off of the no-fly list at present, and the previous administration appears to have used it for political purposes in some cases, including against Islamic human rights activists and scholars. Also, children have ended up on it by mistake and were banned from flying.

The ability to strip people of constitutional rights without due process is real, real bad territory to get into, and we know that someone like Ted Cruz would not limit the no-fly list to actual terror suspects. Remember Monica Goodling and what happened to the DOJ under Bush the Lesser., and think about what Cruz could use that power to do to “libtards”.

498
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:05:15pm

I would think there’s shit load of cameras all over that site. Hopefully they have some vehicle ID or something…..

499
Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:05:33pm

Looks like the shooter(s) specifically targeted this group event held by the county. All victims were attending this event.

500
HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:06:02pm

re: #493 Backwoods_Sleuth

PD Chief: The facility has hundreds of employees, the building houses several county and state agencies.

So it could have been a targeting of any agency really.

501
Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:06:38pm

re: #487 Kryptik

Some of the targets were symbolic, others really did seem random, like the restaurants they shot up. They were just looking for places where large numbers of people were gathered, although certainly the stadium and rock concert hall seem to have been pre-planned targets.

502
GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:06:39pm

re: #476 plansbandc

The cars kill more people than guns argument is so fucking stupid. I have a headache over my eye because some idiot tweeted that shit in my timeline.

Cars: mandatory registration and insurance/regular competency exams to make sure you’re qualified to operate/city stickers, etc.

Guns: Here, have as many as you want.

“But it says in the Constitution that I can own guns!”

Sure. If you’re capable of handling the responsibility, go ahead.

503
CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:07:01pm

re: #490 Dr Lizardo

If this were takfiri terrorists, they wouldn’t have run for it; that’s not their style. They would’ve shot the place up then waited til the cops roll up and go out in blaze of glory as “martyrs” in a firefight with the police or blow themselves up with IED’s.

Most likely.

I would add that there have been right-wingers who planned things out and got away: McVeigh & Eric Rudolph come immediately to mind. McVeigh was caught fairly quickly, but Rudolph wasn’t.

504
Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:07:02pm

re: #499 Dr. Matt

Looks like the shooter(s) specifically targeted this group event held by the county. All victims were attending this event.

Then the shooter(s) would’ve had to know this group event was happening.

505
BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:08:19pm

re: #454 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson’s really getting his hate on now.

Embedded Image

When did we ban the confederate flag? I see them flying freely from wingnut cars, trucks and homes on a daily basis.

506
Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:08:58pm

re: #503 CuriousLurker

I would add that there have been right-wingers who planned things out and got away: McVeigh & Eric Rudolph come immediately to mind. McVeigh was caught fairly quickly, but Rudolph wasn’t.

Indeed; McVeigh, if I’m remembering right, only got caught because of some trivial issue with a license plate. Rudolph….damn, they didn’t get him for a looong time.

507
Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:09:11pm

re: #475 CuriousLurker

Maybe, but I assume that like most news agencies they have people on the ground here in the U.S.

They do have a Los Angeles office, I sent them an email, perhaps they will watch the presser.

508
GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:09:37pm

re: #498 Stanley Sea Toujours

I would think there’s shit load of cameras all over that site. Hopefully they have some vehicle ID or something…..

They won’t get away, unlike the Joe Gliniewicz killers (who didn’t actually exist).

509
Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:09:41pm

re: #501 Desmond

Some of the targets were symbolic, others really did seem random, like the restaurants they shot up. They were just looking for places where large numbers of people were gathered, although certainly the stadium and rock concert hall seem to have been pre-planned targets.

The minor targets might have been done to overwhelm and thin Paris police communications and immediate response. That is, decoys to support the main attacks.

510
CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:12:34pm

re: #509 Decatur Deb

The minor targets might have been done to overwhelm and thin Paris police communications and immediate response. That is, decoys to support the main attacks.

That and it was clear from what people said in the aftermath that it was a very diverse area and fairly upscale, though not wealthy. What better way to try to drive a wedge between people and convince them that diversity is bad?

511
Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:13:24pm

re: #503 CuriousLurker

Remember the Chris Dorner manhunt episode? The police got so panicky we had several incidents of them opening fire on innocents. Folks, it might be a good day to take the car rather than the black SUV out shopping.

thewire.com

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CuriousLurker  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:14:43pm

re: #511 Great White Snark

Oh gosh, I’d totally forgotten about that one. There are so damned many…

513
plansbandc  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:15:20pm

Kirtland AFB is on lockdown. Unconfirmed reports of an active shooter. (ABQ NM)

FFS

514
Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:16:52pm

re: #509 Decatur Deb

The minor targets might have been done to overwhelm and thin Paris police communications and immediate response. That is, decoys to support the main attacks.

As well as general location near enough to their main targets. A lot of the attacks following the bombs at the Stade seemed rather clustered near Bataclan. The restaurant attacks, however ‘random’ the targets seemed, can’t be removed from the context of the other attacks, not considering how tightly planned it all was.

515
thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:18:33pm

re: #513 plansbandc

Kirtland AFB is on lockdown. Unconfirmed reports of an active shooter. (ABQ NM)

FFS

Where did you see this?

516
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:20:50pm

re: #515 thecommodore

Where did you see this?

KOB reporting that. Lockdown at area schools has been lifted.

517
plansbandc  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:23:52pm

Was from the KOB feed on twitter. Glad to see the lockdown at schools was lifted. Thanks!

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:24:36pm

Fully automatic weapons; like, say, a belt fed machine gun or a select fire M-16; would be ever so useful to these mass killers. Yet they never use them, nor do they use suppressors (“silencers”).

Gee, why would that be?

If you answered “because they’re illegal,” you are wrong.

Full auto weapons (even heavy machine guns) and suppressors are quite legal for civilian ownership in this country. Thing is, under the National Firearms Act of 1934, these weapons and devices must be licensed and registered, and their owners must be vetted and approved by the ATF and local law enforcement (usually the sheriff of the county where the would-be owner lives.)

That’s all, just a routine licensing procedure that is only slightly more onerous than the process of registering a car and licensing its drivers. Unlike cars, machine guns are not even required to be insured, though it is damn good idea to have it. Yet it keeps these weapons pretty well out of the headlines and out of the “wrong hands.”

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:26:42pm

re: #431 Charles Johnson

We don’t know yet, of course, but this doesn’t seem like the kind of target an Islamist terror group would choose.

It seems like a kind of target an outright Nazi would choose though.

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thecommodore  Dec 2, 2015 • 2:28:18pm

re: #502 GlutenFreeJesus

Cars: mandatory registration and insurance/regular competency exams to make sure you’re qualified to operate/city stickers, etc.

Guns: Here, have as many as you want.

DRIVING IS A PRIVLEGE OWNING A GUN IS A RIGHT1!1!1!!1!!!


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