Details Emerge About San Bernardino Attackers

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The latest information about the suspects in the terrible massacre at San Bernardino’s Inland Regional Center, from the LA Times: San Bernardino shooting suspect traveled to Saudi Arabia, was married, appeared to be living ‘American Dream,’ co-workers say.

As the holiday gathering got underway Wednesday morning, Syed Rizwan Farook joined dozens of his colleagues from San Bernardino County’s public health department. Farook, an inspector, seemed quiet during the early hours of the event, then vanished just as a group photo was about to be taken.

Shortly afterward, gunfire erupted at the Inland Regional Center where the employees filled a conference room. By the end of the day, police had identified Farook, 28, as a suspect in the massacre and said he was one of two people shot to death in a gun battle with officers. The other was 27-year-old Tashfeen Malik, who a family member said was Farook’s wife.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:07:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:09:10am

The discussion is going to be all about Islam, terror and immigrants.

And we know who is going to benefit the most from those topics…

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:11:30am

He found a second amendment solution to whatever problem he was having. So American of him.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:11:50am

WHAT DID FAROOK’S CO-WORKERS THINK OF HIM?

Baccari said his co-worker, who said he was raised on a farm with goats and chickens, was reserved, rarely starting a conversation on his own. Several months ago Farook grew out his beard. He appeared committed to his family, and never displayed any unusual behavior or discussed any radical political views. Co-workers told the Los Angeles Times Farook was a devout Muslim but didn’t talk about religion at work. Griselda Reisinger, who worked with Farook before leaving her job in May, told the Times he “never struck me as a fanatic, he never struck me as suspicious.”

Not sure how coworkers would know if he was “devout Muslim” especially if he “didn’t talk about religion at work.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:11:57am

Another Iranian hatchling dropped a page and ran.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:12:30am

I’m sure we’ll have an in depth discussion about the mental health problems in society in relation to yesterday’s events.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:02am

re: #4 Dr. Matt

WHAT DID FAROOK’S CO-WORKERS THINK OF HIM?

Not sure how coworkers would know if he was “devout Muslim” especially if he “didn’t talk about religion at work.”

If he went off to pray five times a day, that could be a sign. But otherwise, we are relying only on testimony from his estranged father.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:09am

re: #4 Dr. Matt

Several months ago Farook grew out his beard.

As have millions of wannabe hipsters over the past couple of years. Jeez, practically every man in a tv commercial has a full beard these days.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:21am

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The discussion is going to be all about Islam, terror and immigrants.

And we know who is going to benefit the most from those topics…

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Not that Donald Trump will discuss anything. I truly dread what he’s going to say about this. Whatever it is, it’ll be vile and bigoted (which is why I will never vote for him).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:47am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

I’m sure we’ll have an in depth discussion about the mental health problems in society in relation to yesterday’s events.

Islam Terror Immigration

Islam Terror Immigration

Islam Terror Immigration

Islam Terror Immigration

Repeat until it sticks…

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:15:26am

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

As have millions of wannabe hipsters over the past couple of years. Jeez, practically every man in a tv commercial has a full beard these days.

Speaker Ryan is turning into a Muslim!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:15:58am

re: #11 Belafon

Speaker Ryan is turning into a Muslim!

Hockey players are Muslim!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:16:06am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Not that Donald Trump will discuss anything. I truly dread what he’s going to say about this. Whatever it is, it’ll be vile and bigoted (which is why I will never vote for him).

Yep. So what we have from the last 2 weeks is we need to get rid of immigrants and white christian men in their 50’s.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:16:59am

The right will have gone from it’s much too soon to talk about firearms and gun control and pivot right on to terrorism and refugees and Islamophobia.

That’s despite the fact that this incident highlights what happens with easy availability of firearms (and the good guy with the gun turning into the bad guy with a gun the moment he or she turns around).

The problem with mass shootings (and firearms fatalities in general - with nearly 4 per hour) is that guns are so easily accessible. Background checks are not universal. There are loopholes. There are gun sales that never require checks. There are insufficient mental health checks.

All those background checks wont prevent all shootings. But they might prevent some. It might keep a few more people from being shot. It might prevent some suicides. Those are real and significant savings - both from the human toll and from a health care cost standpoint.

There’s one group that refuses to allow any action on this front, no matter how fiddling around the edges it is - the NRA. And of course, there’s the politicians who think that offering up prayers is sufficient to show their concern and action, all while doing nothing as the carnage continues.

They fiddle while the nation continues to bury 4 victims of gun violence on an hourly basis.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:17:00am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Just as long as no one talks about those poor, innocent guns.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:19:04am

re: #14 lawhawk

The right will have gone from it’s much too soon to talk about firearms and gun control and pivot right on to terrorism and refugees and Islamophobia.

That’s despite the fact that this incident highlights what happens with easy availability of firearms (and the good guy with the gun turning into the bad guy with a gun the moment he or she turns around).

The problem with mass shootings (and firearms fatalities in general - with nearly 4 per hour) is that guns are so easily accessible. Background checks are not universal. There are loopholes. There are gun sales that never require checks. There are insufficient mental health checks.

All those background checks wont prevent all shootings. But they might prevent some. It might keep a few more people from being shot. It might prevent some suicides. Those are real and significant savings - both from the human toll and from a health care cost standpoint.

There’s one group that refuses to allow any action on this front, no matter how fiddling around the edges it is - the NRA. And of course, there’s the politicians who think that offering up prayers is sufficient to show their concern and action, all while doing nothing as the carnage continues.

They fiddle while the nation continues to bury 4 victims of gun violence on an hourly basis.

This allows the right to replace their silence over the PP shooting with “Arab terrorism!”

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:19:20am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Not that Donald Trump will discuss anything. I truly dread what he’s going to say about this. Whatever it is, it’ll be vile and bigoted (which is why I will never vote for him).

Don’t sell yourself short. You’ll do your duty.

As for the first line in your post. I strongly recommend you don’t fucking go there, Breit.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:20:04am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

They had a 6-month-old baby.

Post-partum depression?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:20:18am

re: #15 Dr. Matt

Just as long as no one talks about those poor, innocent guns.

As long as we’re talking about the white guy shooting up PP as well.

Maybe early December is “Bearded violence month.”

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:21:13am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:22:12am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If he went off to pray five times a day, that could be a sign. But otherwise, we are relying only on testimony from his estranged father.

Good point. We’ll soon find out more over the next day or so.

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Ian G.  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:23:56am

This is going to cause a real problem on the right, because unsaid, but always underlying the “good guy with a gun” nonsense is that white Christians need to defend themselves from the “other” that right wing paranoia media is saying is coming for them. That’s why, the moment you had Stokely Carmichael with a gun appearing in the media, St. Ronaldus of Hollywood passed gun control laws there.

Well, here we go again. The “other” has the 2nd amendment right to arm himself to the teeth as well. And, predictably, it led to a massacre, rather than the defense of one’s farm from King George III’s marauding army. How will wingnuts react now?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:24:20am

re: #13 Eventual Carrion

Yep. So what we have from the last 2 weeks is we need to get rid of immigrants and white christian men in their 50’s.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:24:46am

re: #19 Belafon

As long as we’re talking about the white guy shooting up PP as well.

Maybe early December is “Bearded violence month.”

HIPSTERS ON THE RAMPAGE!!

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:25:03am
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:25:05am

Just throwing this out there, but perhaps there’s a personal or municipal corruption angle to this? From a NY Times article this morning:

Mr. Farook inspected restaurants, bakeries and public swimming pools for the county department […] His name appears on a county inspection report as recently as Oct. 1 for Cuca’s Mexican Restaurant in Rialto, Calif. The restaurant’s employees said Wednesday night that they did not remember him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:25:12am

re: #22 Ian G.

This is going to cause a real problem on the right, because unsaid, but always underlying the “good guy with a gun” nonsense is that white Christians need to defend themselves from the “other” that right wing paranoia media is saying is coming for them. That’s why, the moment you had Stokely Carmichael with a gun appearing in the media led St. Ronaldus of Hollywood to pass gun control laws there.

Well, here we go again. The “other” has the 2nd amendment right to arm himself to the teeth as well. And, predictably, it led to a massacre, rather than the defense of one’s farm from King George III’s marauding army. How will wingnuts react now?

Only white Christians can own guns. Simple solution. /

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:26:54am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Not that Donald Trump will discuss anything. I truly dread what he’s going to say about this. Whatever it is, it’ll be vile and bigoted (which is why I will never vote for him).

Glad to hear that. Unfortunately I am afraid this will give him a bump in the polls. This is very, very bad news for Muslims in America and Syrians refugees. I’m afraid enough Democrats may vote for restrictions on immigration to override a presidential veto.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:26:57am
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Ian G.  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:27:07am

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You joke, but that’s going to be the reaction from the Breitbart and Freeper swamps. I do think, at least for now, it’s a bridge too far for Trump.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:27:17am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

You mean the wife? You mean we need to have a discussion about….gaining citizenship through marriage?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:27:49am

re: #25 lawhawk

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:28:44am

re: #14 lawhawk

The right will have gone from it’s much too soon to talk about firearms and gun control and pivot right on to terrorism and refugees and Islamophobia.

That’s despite the fact that this incident highlights what happens with easy availability of firearms (and the good guy with the gun turning into the bad guy with a gun the moment he or she turns around).

The problem with mass shootings (and firearms fatalities in general - with nearly 4 per hour) is that guns are so easily accessible. Background checks are not universal. There are loopholes. There are gun sales that never require checks. There are insufficient mental health checks.

All those background checks wont prevent all shootings. But they might prevent some. It might keep a few more people from being shot. It might prevent some suicides. Those are real and significant savings - both from the human toll and from a health care cost standpoint.

There’s one group that refuses to allow any action on this front, no matter how fiddling around the edges it is - the NRA. And of course, there’s the politicians who think that offering up prayers is sufficient to show their concern and action, all while doing nothing as the carnage continues.

They fiddle while the nation continues to bury 4 victims of gun violence on an hourly basis.

No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:28:58am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Hardly. The right wing has been a froth about how we have to get rid of refugees (or illegal aliens) or whatever non-white American group of the day suits their fancy (Muslims, Syrian refugees, etc.)

Add to that Trump’s insanity about killing the families of terrorists.

The right wing rhetoric is at a fever pitch. All one has to do is look anywhere on the right. You can even pick the site - or the candidate. Look at their stances on immigration, allowing refugees into the nation, and scratch the surface and you see xenophobia, Islamophobia, racism, and hate.

I’m sorry, but it’s simply undeniable that the right is in thrall with hate.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:29:11am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

Glad to hear that. Unfortunately I am afraid this will give him a bump in the polls. This is very, very bad news for Muslims in America and Syrians refugees. I’m afraid enough Democrats may vote for restrictions on immigration to override a presidential veto.

If you’ve got any Democratic reps, call them and tell them refugees still need our help.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:29:24am

re: #30 Ian G.

You joke, but that’s going to be the reaction from the Breitbart and Freeper swamps. I do think, at least for now, it’s a bridge too far for Trump.

Only a half joke. I am well versed in Wingnuttia.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:30:13am

re: #25 lawhawk

Trump Right Again: Fear of ‘Racially Profiling’ Middle Easterners Stopped Calls that Could Have Prevented Attack shar.es
9:08 AM - 3 Dec 2015

Racial profiling would have identified an educated public health official, who may be a Muslim, and never had any run-ins with the law?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:30:21am

re: #20 darthstar

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Those same politicians vigorously promoted the lies about Planned Parenthood which led to the terrorist attack last week.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:30:45am

re: #4 Dr. Matt

WHAT DID FAROOK’S CO-WORKERS THINK OF HIM?

Not sure how coworkers would know if he was “devout Muslim” especially if he “didn’t talk about religion at work.”

I worked with a Muslim man who never spoke about his religion, but he did leave work for Friday prayers at his mosque and then returned to work afterwards. I would have classified him as a devout Muslim.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:01am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

One of the shooters was born in Illinois, which means that state’s notoriously corrupt political culture has to be part of the discussion. /

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:10am

re: #31 Bass Reeves

You mean the wife? You mean we need to have a discussion about….gaining citizenship through marriage?

Possibly. But more likely we need to impose security vetting for spouses from certain countries. And Saudi Arabia ought to be high on the list of countries whose citizens get extensively vetted.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:15am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:36am

re: #22 Ian G.

This is going to cause a real problem on the right, because unsaid, but always underlying the “good guy with a gun” nonsense is that white Christians need to defend themselves from the “other” that right wing paranoia media is saying is coming for them. That’s why, the moment you had Stokely Carmichael with a gun appearing in the media led St. Ronaldus of Hollywood to pass gun control laws there.

Well, here we go again. The “other” has the 2nd amendment right to arm himself to the teeth as well. And, predictably, it led to a massacre, rather than the defense of one’s farm from King George III’s marauding army. How will wingnuts react now?

“Good guys with guns could’ve prevented the massacre.” Same way they always react: MOAR GUNZ!

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:32:53am

Considering we were talking about the movie last night, I have no doubt in my mind that if The Siege were made today, they’d cast Bruce Willis’ character as the hero and Denzel Washington as the obstructive libby bureaucrat preventing what needed to be done because ‘PC’. Oh, and Tony Shalhoub’s character would be cast as a sleeper cell agent just to underscore the overarching theme of ‘Muslims really ARE all the enemy!!!!!!’

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:33:01am

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

One of the shooter was born in Illinois, which means that state’s notoriously corrupt political culture has to be part of the discussion.

Yes, please.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:33:11am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

Hockey players are Muslim!

Santa Claus is Muslim!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:34:54am

Apropos of something, my wife just informed me that this is the third mass shooting in the USA since Colorado Springs.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:35:20am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:36:16am

Let’s keep in mind who conservatives consider the good guys with guns. People like Dylann Roof and Robert Dear.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:36:24am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Possibly. But more likely we need to impose security vetting for spouses from certain countries. And Saudi Arabia ought to be high on the list of countries whose citizens get extensively vetted.

State and Immigration & Customs already do a pretty good job vetting spouses/fiancées from abroad. A friend of mine had to wait six months after he married his Chinese GF before the US would even consider granting her a fiancée visa. They’ve had too much experience with foreign brides marrying an American to get a green card only to dump the poor schmoe once they get residency. Canada is even more strict, requiring extensive background checks that delayed another friend’s visa for a year after she got married.

I don’t think we can assume Malik had an easier job entering the US than two Chinese women.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:36:56am

re: #37 Dr. Matt

Racial profiling would have identified an educated public health official, who may be a Muslim, and never had any run-ins with the law?

Yes, we need the police to be swamped with calls about suspiciously swarthy people getting mail./

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:37:47am

re: #39 Sionainn

I would…hesitate to describe someone who goes to weekly services as ‘devout’. I would hesitate to call a Muslim who goes to weekly services and doesn’t eat pork as ‘devout’. I’ve spent a total of 38 months of the last decade in predominately Muslim countries, and I didn’t meet an overwhelming number of Muslims I would call devout, and I met a LOT of Muslims. Devout is a word that gets used a LOT, when the more apt description would just be ‘practicing’.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:37:53am

re: #47 De Kolta Chair

Apropos of something, my wife just informed me that this is the third mass shooting in the USA since Colorado Springs.

THE MASS SHOOTING TRACKER

352: Nov. 27, 3 dead 9 injured, Colorado Springs, Colo.
353: Nov. 29, 5 injured, Kankakee, Ill.
354: Dec. 2, 1 dead 3 injured, Savannah, Ga.
355: Dec. 2, 14 dead 14 injured, San Bernardino, Calif.

355 mass shootings for the year….and we still have most of December left.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:38:49am

Single line in WaPo about neighbors saying Dear never dicussed religion: “See, he’s not a religious man, just a lone nutjob!”

Coworker says Farook never discussed religion: “SEE, HE’S A MUSLIM TERRORIST! ISLAM TOTALLY MOTIVATED HIS ACTIONS!!!”

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:38:57am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

No it doesn’t “have” to be a part of the discussion. You know what EVERY SINGLE MASS SHOOTING has in common? Come on, guess……(theme song from Jeopardy….)….GUNS. The ease of getting them, the entire culture that drills into our heads that guns are a measure of bravery, a solution to problems. I do not want to hear shit about illegal guns either. Because you know what? No law stops all crimes. What laws do is set explicit consequences for serious actions. And it’s not just laws, there’s gun buy back programs (without the NRA whining about their precious guns being melted down and recycled, money which could then go into community policing programs), licensing and insurance requirements for gun owners, a national registry for all weapons, no more gun show or private sale loopholes, restricting the ability of domestic abusers and people on a terror watch list from having weapons, etc. There is no one simple solution, it’s a big problem requiring multiple solutions. It’s going to multiple things, consistently applied.

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:39:17am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Possibly. But more likely we need to impose security vetting for spouses from certain countries. And Saudi Arabia ought to be high on the list of countries whose citizens get extensively vetted.

And just as a thought experiment, what, one wonders, would have an “extensive” vetting of Tashfeen Malik been likely to turn up? What, that is, that would have been serious enough to keep her out?

My guess, from the evidence uncovered so far, is pretty much “nothing”, YMMV

ADD: see #50

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:43:34am

re: #42 lawhawk

That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:10am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

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That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

In what way?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:10am

You know what all mass shootings have in common? Guns.

You know what all mass stabbings have in common? They don’t happen very often.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:56am

re: #52 Bass Reeves

I would…hesitate to describe someone who goes to weekly services as ‘devout’. I would hesitate to call a Muslim who goes to weekly services and doesn’t eat pork as ‘devout’. I’ve spent a total of 38 months of the last decade in predominately Muslim countries, and I didn’t meet an overwhelming number of Muslims I would call devout, and I met a LOT of Muslims. Devout is a word that gets used a LOT, when the more apt description would just be ‘practicing’.

I just double-checked the dictionary definition. Devout was indeed the word I would use. I’d use it also for my devout Catholic aunt and uncle.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:00am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

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That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

Lol your duty by shitting on the victims by doing nothing again you mean.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:07am

re: #58 Targetpractice

In what way?

Well, for one thing, it would mean that the NRA would have thrown away money thinking that Republicans would keep their profits going.

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:16am

The no fly list will not be a better list or a more helpful abuse of due process when we add those people to the database that says no gun purchases. I’m not going to favor any measure that does not embrace a due process. Not for immigration, not for guns, not for work visas.

See ACLU

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:17am

I started to post something, but had to tone it down. Let’s just say that today is the day the country completely goes off the rails and begins attacking all immigrants as the cause of all our problems.

We think we’ve already seen ugly this year; we haven’t seen anything yet.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:46am

re: #58 Targetpractice

In what way?

re: #63 Great White Snark

The no fly list will not be a better list or a more helpful abuse of due process when we add those people to the database that says no gun purchases. I’m not going to favor any measure that does not embrace a due process. Not for immigration, not for guns, not for work visas.

See ACLU

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:54am

re: #56 Jay C

And just as a thought experiment, what, one wonders, would have an “extensive” vetting of Tashfeen Malik been likely to turn up? What, that is, that would have been serious enough to keep her out?

My guess, from the evidence uncovered so far, is pretty much “nothing”, YMMV

The sudden urgency in focusing on the wife and her immigration to the US is equivalent to the sudden focus on mental illness whenever a mass shooting involves a white guy.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:45:59am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Based on….never mind. It’s just a bad idea. If we are going to knee-jerk immigration policy, but we can’t touch gun policy, fuck it. Ima go talk to Elon Musk about this idea I have for a system of gigantic underground bunkers, maybe 122 of them, that will protect people in the event of nuclear war and the dissolution of society. I feel maybe that is an idea whose time has come.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:46:03am

re: #64 Skip Intro

I started to post something, but had to tone it down. Let’s just say that today is the day the country completely goes off the rails and begins attacking all immigrants as the cause of all our problems.

We think we’ve already seen ugly this year; we haven’t seen anything yet.

We all thought we had reached Peak Wingnut and Peak Trump….

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:46:22am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

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That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

Did you even read the article? The bill would not be unconstitutional in the slightest since it would require checking against no fly lists and other terror watch lists in addition to the existing FBI databases. There’s nothing unconstitutional about that.

Put another way, it’s doing what we would do in vetting any refugee coming into the country - checking them against all the databases at our disposal.

Oh, and the author of the bill? Rep. Peter King, R-NY.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:46:49am

Seriously what are Republican’s actually proposing to prevent future tragedies like this? Honest question.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:30am

re: #69 lawhawk

Did you even read the article? The bill would not be unconstitutional in the slightest since it would require checking against no fly lists and other terror watch lists in addition to the existing FBI databases. There’s nothing unconstitutional about that.

Put another way, it’s doing what we would do in vetting any refugee coming into the country - checking them against all the databases at our disposal.

Oh, and the author of the bill? Rep. Peter King, R-NY.

More and more, I realize Dark Falcon is one of those ‘very serious people’ Krugman warned us about.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:32am

I guess every bearded 50-year-old white male in Colorado with a rifle in their gun rack should be pulled over to prove they’re not on their way to shoot some place up

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:41am

re: #63 Great White Snark

The no fly list will not be a better list or a more helpful abuse of due process when we add those people to the database that says no gun purchases. I’m not going to favor any measure that does not embrace a due process. Not for immigration, not for guns, not for work visas.

See ACLU

Then perhaps we need to follow the thought process of the ACLU, which is that either the process of how people end up on the list and who’s on it be made transparent, or we get rid of it.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:56am

Maybe Republicans could, you know, legislate, and fix the part about due process, maybe come up with a solution for once.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:48:35am

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

I guess every bearded 50-year-old white male in Colorado with a rifle in their gun rack should be pulled over to prove they’re not on their way to shoot some place up

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No that would be fascism, this is freedumb

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Timothy Watson  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:49:19am

re: #67 Bass Reeves

Based on….never mind. It’s just a bad idea. If we are going to knee-jerk immigration policy, but we can’t touch gun policy, fuck it. Ima go talk to Elon Musk about this idea I have for a system of gigantic underground bunkers, maybe 122 of them, that will protect people in the event of nuclear war and the dissolution of society. I feel maybe that is an idea whose time has come.

He wouldn’t use them to experiment on people, would he?

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:04am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Seriously what are Republican’s actually proposing to prevent future tragedies like this? Honest question.

Prayer. And buy more guns.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:13am

re: #76 Timothy Watson

He wouldn’t use them to experiment on people, would he?

I hope he would.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:27am

re: #56 Jay C

And just as a thought experiment, what, one wonders, would have an “extensive” vetting of Tashfeen Malik been likely to turn up? What, that is, that would have been serious enough to keep her out?

My guess, from the evidence uncovered so far, is pretty much “nothing”, YMMV

ADD: see #50

Among the more amusing questions on a US visa application are, have you ever been involved in illegal drug or human trafficking, and have you ever been part of a terrorist organization? As if someone who has done such things would volunteer it on a visa application.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:28am

re: #60 Sionainn

Based on just attending weekly services? I got offered a LOT of booze in Iraq from people who went to weekly services. I also got showed a lot of porn on cell phones, and offered a LOT of weed. That is obviously not what I’m saying about your aunt and uncle, but just saying attendance at weekly services doesn’t really qualify.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:40am

re: #40 De Kolta Chair

One of the shooters was born in Illinois, which means that state’s notoriously corrupt political culture has to be part of the discussion. /

You know who else is from Illinois? Dark Falcon.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:51:24am

I’m sorry but I’m fed up with this crap. Do something. Don’t act like you’re this pious praying man. Do your job that we pay you to do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:52:09am

re: #77 Skip Intro

Prayer. And buy more guns.

Yeah I expect to see one of them grinning on their Twitter selling a gun.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:52:19am

re: #58 Targetpractice

In what way?

Because the 2A is sacred and holy.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:53:33am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Seriously what are Republican’s actually proposing to prevent future tragedies like this? Honest question.

Thoughts and prayers.

[no sarcasm tag]

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:53:54am

re: #74 Belafon

Maybe Republicans could, you know, legislate, and fix the part about due process, maybe come up with a solution for once.

Did you see the GOP take from the NRA yesterday? Over $30 million in 2014 alone (and I’m sure some Democrats got their piece of that pie as well). So if you’re looking for solutions from Congress you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:07am

re: #25 lawhawk

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:08am

re: #84 Dr. Matt

Because the 2A is sacred and holy.

Really the only part of the BoR that most wingnuts wholeheartedly support.

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:35am

re: #85 Dr. Matt

Thoughts and prayers.

[no sarcasm tag]

Thoughts-N-Prayers™

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:43am

Presidential

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:55:20am

re: #85 Dr. Matt

Thoughts and prayers.

[no sarcasm tag]

I assume support for Trump’s massive Muslim tracking database will be soon to follow.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:56:13am

re: #80 Bass Reeves

Based on just attending weekly services? I got offered a LOT of booze in Iraq from people who went to weekly services. I also got showed a lot of porn on cell phones, and offered a LOT of weed. That is obviously not what I’m saying about your aunt and uncle, but just saying attendance at weekly services doesn’t really qualify.

No, not just based on attending weekly services. It’s more about who they were, how they acted, how selfless they were, genuinely good people whose religion was important and guided them. Not sure how else to explain it. Hope that made sense.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:56:42am

re: #86 Skip Intro

Did you see the GOP take from the NRA yesterday? Over $30 million in 2014 alone (and I’m sure some Democrats got their piece of that pie as well). So if you’re looking for solutions from Congress you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

I don’t expect it. But they, nor should D_F, expect me to take any of their thoughts or prayers seriously.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:57:11am

Is there anywhere you can lay down a bet on the next mass shooting? “I’m going with white male/Glock/Buffalo.”

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:58:42am
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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:58:52am

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

Presidential

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Trump’s inauguration will be the first one in history filled with slot machines, cocktail waitresses and strippers.

Classy.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:59:36am

I will just remind all that the Supreme Court rules on what is constitutional not Dark Falcon.

In twenty years if the ideological makeup of the court is polar opposite of what it is now, then the Supreme Court may very well decide that it is not a protected right to own an assault weapon(s), and mass ownership of said assault weapon(s) may be a threat to democracy itself.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:59:58am

re: #96 Skip Intro

Trump’s inauguration will be the first one in history filled with slot machines, cocktail waitresses and strippers.

Classy.

Fuck it, I’m going.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:04am

re: #93 Belafon

I don’t expect it. But they, nor should D_F, expect me to take any of their thoughts or prayers seriously.

“You shall know them by their deeds, not by their words” seems like such a bedrock tenet of Christianity that this shouldn’t be a fucking controversial thing, but instead, it feels like Christianity has become solely defined by their words, not their deeds. Say you’re the right sort of Christian, and you get a free pass for all sort of assholery and rankness, whereas if you’re a good person but don’t ascribe to the same exact tribe they do, you’re a devil upon devils and all your good works are probably a mass conspiracy anyhow, so they’re not REALLY ‘good works’.

The contortionism and perversion of what should be uncontroversial beliefs to where platitudes are the only true marker of belief, is something that will continue to make me tear my hair out and send me on bipolar spirals of rage and depression.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:06am

re: #92 Sionainn

Absolutely.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:11am

re: #94 Barefoot Grin

Is there anywhere you can lay down a bet on the next mass shooting? “I’m going with white male/Glock/Buffalo.”

At the current rate (nearly 1/day) for the year, there should be another by tomorrow. That’s pretty fucked up…..

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:28am

re: #84 Dr. Matt

Because the 2A is sacred and holy.

The others won’t allow them to be bullies. The first amendment allows people to talk back. How rude.

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:47am

re: #98 darthstar

Fuck it, I’m going.

I know right, if we are going to hell in a handbasket, might as well go out CLASSY!

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:49am

There is one tiny good thing, at least. The reports that the perp’s brother was involved were false. That’s something.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:58am

re: #53 Dr. Matt

355 mass shootings for the year….and we still have most of December left.

Add to that list the victims of the Annual War on Christmas (TM) and there may be nobody left by January 1. ///////

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:22am

re: #98 darthstar

Fuck it, I’m going.

$10,000 cover charge.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:27am

re: #102 Belafon

The others won’t allow them to be bullies. The first amendment allows people to talk back. How rude.

You’re infringing on my right of free speech by contradicting me!!

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:31am

re: #98 darthstar

Fuck it, I’m going.

You’d have more fun just going to Vegas.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:39am

re: #99 Kryptik

Say you’re the right sort of Christian, and you get a free pass for all sort of assholery and rankness

And killings, according to Dear.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:01am

ACLU says No Fly List should not be used to deny gun purchases: “See, the ACLU’s right, it would be unconstitutional!”

ACLU says the No Fly List is wrong: *crickets*

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:25am

The crocodile tears coming out of the eyes of our “loyal” opposition over the recent spate of mass civilian slaughter by assault weapons are quite cute.

How much are we going to put down on whether the guns they used in the massacre were legally purchased?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:27am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Really the only part of the BoR that most wingnuts wholeheartedly support.

Well that’s not true for me, as I’ve proved over the years here.

But now I need to get to work. BBL

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:03:04am

re: #111 subterraneanhomesickalien

The crocodile tears coming out of the eyes of our “loyal” opposition over the recent spate of mass civilian slaughter by assault weapons are quite cute.

How much are we going to put down on whether the guns they used in the massacre were legally purchased?

It seems they were.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:03:20am

re: #101 Dr. Matt

At the current rate (nearly 1/day) for the year, there should be another by tomorrow. That’s pretty fucked up…..

Yep. So common you could almost lay odds.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:04:15am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:04:25am

re: #114 Barefoot Grin

Yep. So common you could almost lay odds.

Someone probably is, somewhere.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:05:06am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

If you vote Republican you are a bad person.

Your continuous blather about how you won’t be voting for Trump is bullshit and you know it. You have a petty grudge against the only sane major party in the country, or your just a Limbaughian fellow traveler and are ashamed to admit it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:06:06am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Well that’s not true for me, as I’ve proved over the years here.

But now I need to get to work. BBL

I’ve seen you knee jerk oppose a lot of legislation simply because of who’s proposed it in regards to guns.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:06:33am

re: #110 Targetpractice

I think the problem with the list is mostly how difficult it is to get off it, find out you’re on it, and find out WHY you’re on it so you can explain how it’s ANOTHER dude with the same name and no you don’t want a cavity search.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:07:17am

Sorry if I come off as disliking Dark Falcon, but he reeks of duplicitous bullshittery.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:07:33am

re: #101 Dr. Matt

At the current rate (nearly 1/day) for the year, there should be another by tomorrow. That’s pretty fucked up…..

There were actually two mass shootings yesterday. There was one in Georgia, but the body count didn’t qualify for national media attention.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:06am

re: #117 subterraneanhomesickalien

If you vote Republican you are a bad person.

Your continuous blather about how you won’t be voting for Trump is bullshit and you know it. You have a petty grudge against the only sane major party in the country, or your just a Limbaughian fellow traveler and are ashamed to admit it.

He’s either a concern troll or a ‘very serious person’. The ‘Kinder, Gentler Machine Gun Hand’.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:13am

Who the fuck, besides a freshman frat boy, talks like this?!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:44am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

Who the fuck, besides a freshman frat boy, talks like this?!

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Hahaha

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:46am

re: #119 Bass Reeves

I think the problem with the list is mostly how difficult it is to get off it, find out you’re on it, and find out WHY you’re on it so you can explain how it’s ANOTHER dude with the same name and no you don’t want a cavity search.

This is a basic First Amendment right that bothers me, the Right to Petition for the Redress of Grievances.

That is nearly impossible if your grievance is that you unjustly wound up up on the No Fly List.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:11:32am

re: #122 Kryptik

I don’t think that he’s stupid enough to enjoy columns that David Brooks and Ron Fournier rewrite every fucking day for the last decade plus.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:11:47am

Whole thing sucks. It’s going to happen but hey at least the GOP office holders are praying. Sorry I’m not knocking prayer in itself. I’m knocking empty rhetoric by people with power to change things.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:20am

re: #121 darthstar

There were actually two mass shootings yesterday. There was one in Georgia, but the body count didn’t qualify for national media attention.

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Yeah, I included that in the tally. Yesterday saw number 354 and 355. Including today, there have been 337 days this year.

355 shootings/337 days this year = 1.05 shootings/day

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:13:08am

Which part of that post did you dislike compound Idaho?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:13:33am

re: #129 Dr. Matt

Yeah, I included that in the tally. Yesterday saw number 354 and 355. Including today, there have been 337 days this year.

355 shootings/337 days this year = 1.05 shootings/day

But don’t blame guns. Blame crazy people, Islam, single moms but not guns!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:13:52am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Seriously what are Republican’s actually proposing to prevent future tragedies like this? Honest question.

Prayer. Devout Republicans might up the ante to fasting.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:13:54am

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is a basic First Amendment right that bothers me, the Right to Petition for the Redress of Grievances.

That is nearly impossible if your grievance is that you unjustly wound up up on the No Fly List.

One of the problems with the PATRIOT Act was the fine print sections nullifying due process and redress of grievances in the name of national security.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:13:59am

re: #120 subterraneanhomesickalien

Sorry if I come off as disliking Dark Falcon, but he reeks of duplicitous bullshittery.

His upbringing fucked him up and made him a Republican robot, but he’s obviously trying hard to be better, or he wouldn’t still be here.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:14:12am

re: #127 subterraneanhomesickalien

I don’t think that he’s stupid enough to enjoy columns that David Brooks and Ron Fournier rewrite every fucking day for the last decade plus.

That hasn’t prevented him from pulling the same cover for the reprehensible via ‘on the other hand’ism and false balance fairy invocations the same as they do. It might not be as asinine as a Brooks column, but same smoke screen.

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bratwurst  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:14:35am
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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:10am

re: #136 bratwurst

Well fuck me sideways, what a shocker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:47am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of the problems with the PATRIOT Act was the fine print sections nullifying due process and redress of grievances in the name of national security.

Yes, how can you petition for redress if you don’t even know that you have aggrieved? (as in the case of covert surveillance)

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:00am

re: #119 Bass Reeves

I think the problem with the list is mostly how difficult it is to get off it, find out you’re on it, and find out WHY you’re on it so you can explain how it’s ANOTHER dude with the same name and no you don’t want a cavity search.

And that’s what makes hiding behind the ACLU’s skirt on this so ridiculous, that the ACLU doesn’t just oppose this law, they oppose the very existence of the No Fly List. Yet those who oppose this law don’t seem to want to go the full nine yards and dismantle the No Fly List.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:01am

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:34am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

But don’t blame guns. Blame crazy people, Islam, single moms but not guns!

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:51am

re: #136 bratwurst

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What, they weren’t “illegal” guns?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:51am

re: #136 bratwurst

ATF confirms all four guns in possession of San Bernardino shooting suspects were legally purchased,

So again, until he pulled the trigger, he was just another Responsible Gun Owner.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:53am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

“Muslims want to kill all the peoples”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:13am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:24am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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Bitching about abortion- someone point out her that legalized abortion is prevalent in Europe and they don’t have these.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:37am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

You’re really going to act shocked that a society which devalues and defends devaluing human life germinates other murderers within it?

“It’s Planned Parenthood’s fault!”

The Magical Balance Butcher is coming out strong today

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:45am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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Babby killers are evil.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:53am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“He’s got a funny sounding name! We’re at war with Islam!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:18:02am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah with people like you who care more about an inanimate object than people.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:18:41am

re: #136 bratwurst

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:19:29am

re: #151 darthstar

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That’s the thing. When does a good guy with a gun become a bad guy with one?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:19:53am

Comments are loading really slow for me. Is it just me, or is anyone else having the same problem?

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:20:03am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Cruz can’t sing ‘Turn, Turn, Turn’ for shit.

The Byrds - Turn! Turn! Turn!

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:20:17am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:20:34am

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

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That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

‘Scream away.’

Shame on you.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:21:06am

Ted Cruz after PP shooting: “Send prayers to the families of the victims.”

Ted Cruz after San Bernardino shooting: “America’s at war!”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:21:32am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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I am answering people that are using the CA shooting as if they were referring to the PP shooting. Like here I told Dana I am with her about christian anti abortion extremists germinating murderers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:22:09am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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BAN ABORTION!

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:22:37am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. When does a good guy with a gun become a bad guy with one?

I challenge anyone to name a single ‘good guy’ with a gun who isn’t carrying as part of his job as a police officer or soldier.

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b.d.  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:23:16am

So this means that until the second that they pulled the trigger they were good guys with guns.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:23:43am

re: #3 Belafon

He found a second amendment solution to whatever problem he was having. So American of him.

//

More human sacrifices for the faith known as Murica. The tree of liberty must be watered with blood.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:23:55am

re: #136 bratwurst

A federal judge has quashed a lawsuit filed by a Muslim advocacy organization against a Florida gun shop owner who made headlines this summer by declaring his business a “Muslim Free Zone.”

The suit, filed in July by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), argued that the exclusionary measure amounted to religious discrimination and violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The suit asked the a federal court for an injunction against the store. But according to the Tampa Bay Times, U.S. District Court Judge Beth Bloom ruled that “she did not have the authority to make a decision on the case” because, the newspaper reported, the store’s policy “did not present an imminent and concrete threat to Muslim people.”

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:24:43am

Devout is usually a weasel word with unclear implications.

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bratwurst  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:24:45am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

What a load of shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:25:15am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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That’s not why the shocked face. I look shocked because of how you devalue the English language.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:25:27am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Killing the BAYBEEEEEES justifies a proliferation of violence because abortion is the most violent thing of all. I live in Wingnuttia, it’s sadly made me a good interpreter, sometimes at least.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:25:50am

re: #163 FormerDirtDart

A federal judge has quashed a lawsuit filed by a Muslim advocacy organization against a Florida gun shop owner who made headlines this summer by declaring his business a “Muslim Free Zone.”

Am I reading it wrong, or was the basis of the suit not even about ‘imminent and concrete threat to the Muslim people’? This feels like a massive dodge than anything.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:36am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

Easy: We allow abortion, therefore people feel free to kill. She totally ignores that abortion is legal in other countries that don’t have killings like we do.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:57am

The Blood God of Unrestricted Gun Ownership is dealt 14 new sacrifices.

All is right in America.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:27:45am

re: #169 Belafon

Easy: We allow abortion, therefore people feel free to kill. She totally ignores that abortion is legal in other countries that don’t have killings like we do.

I just looked at the timeline for Dana’s tweet.

Now I want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty screwdriver.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:28:11am

re: #136 bratwurst

JUST IN: ATF confirms all four guns in possession of #SanBernardino shooting suspects were legally purchased, @PaulaReidCBS reports.

Yeah, but they were bought by a Muslim. That nullifies any need to reconsider anything. //

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:28:18am

Guns are people too my friend

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:28:34am

re: #165 bratwurst

What a load of shit.

Bigots gotta bigot.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:29:02am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Guns are people too my friend

Guns are more people than you or me.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:29:40am

Hey kid…can’t you see I’m a little busy right now?

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:30:18am

The more complete Cruz quote, which still attempts the link at terrorism, Islamic extremism, and San Bernardino.

Of course, it also ignores the Planned Parenthood attack days earlier - carried out by a right wing Christian white guy.

Or any of the hundreds of other mass shootings this year alone.

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b.d.  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:30:28am

re: #172 Belafon

Yeah, but they were bought by a Muslim. That nullifies any need to reconsider anything. //

I’d bet the bagger wingnuts wouldn’t mind modifying their sacred 2nd Amendment to not allow Muslims buy/own guns.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:31:34am

re: #177 lawhawk

The more complete Cruz quote, which still attempts the link at terrorism, Islamic extremism, and San Bernardino.

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Of course, it also ignores the Planned Parenthood attack days earlier - carried out by a right wing Christian white guy.

Or any of the hundreds of other mass shootings this year alone.

Wingnuts only ever count from the last case of terrorism they felt comfortable blaming on Muslims. It’s why they drag 9/11 around like a fetish doll.

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dharmamark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:32:37am

re: #43 Big Beautiful Door

So, WTF were the “Good guys” with their guns? For all of their purported existence, they sure seem to be scarce when needed…

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:33:30am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Yep. Soldiers too. They were killed by the evil brown people also. I just wish they’d go ahead and admit they like revenge killing and be done with it already. Then we could at least skip all the weasel words.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:35:55am

In sportsball news, our local basketball team has won 20 in a row…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:36:38am

re: #180 dharmamark

So, WTF were the “Good guys” with their guns? For all of their purported existence, they sure seem to be scarce when needed…

Obama took all their gunz away.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:37:03am

re: #182 darthstar

In sportsball news, our local basketball team has won 20 in a row…

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Yeah. They’re on their way to the best historic start of any American professional sports team in history.

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:37:27am

re: #177 lawhawk

A married couple shoot up their work place Holiday party, leave devices and have pipe bombs.

This seems like a workplace viol——wait, what? They have Muslimy sounding names??

TERRORISM!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:37:32am

but, of course it is…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:37:46am

re: #136 bratwurst

See gun laws don’t work!!!!

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:38:17am

re: #160 darthstar

I challenge anyone to name a single ‘good guy’ with a gun who isn’t carrying as part of his job as a police officer or soldier.

That just might be me. What exactly makes me anything but a good guy?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:39:09am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course it is…

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OFFS some of the victims may have or probably were non celebrants of Christmas you craven fuck.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:39:10am

re: #136 bratwurst

JUST IN: ATF confirms all four guns in possession of #SanBernardino shooting suspects were legally purchased, @PaulaReidCBS reports.

If the guns were illegally purchased, it would have proved that gun laws don’t work. If the guns were legally purchased, tails I win, heads you lose.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:39:39am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course it is…

“Hey we’re just….”

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:39:48am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course it is…

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Holy fuck you dense worthless goddamn asshats. I just….holy fucking christ.

It’s only 10:30 am and already I want the day to just go the fuck away.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:40:27am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are making CNN look reasonably intelligent with that one. Which is an enormously difficult task to succeed on.

Of course Fox’s headline is just mean spirited propaganda, and CNN’s usual fair is just oblivious buffoonery.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:00am

re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

If the guns were illegally purchased, it would have proved that gun laws don’t work. If the guns were legally purchased, tails I win, heads you lose.

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The essence of any gun debate, yes.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:08am

re: #188 Great White Snark

That just might be me. What exactly makes me anything but a good guy?

Why do you carry your gun?

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:40am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:58am

re: #180 dharmamark

So, WTF were the “Good guys” with their guns? For all of their purported existence, they sure seem to be scarce when needed…

Precisely why we need MOAR GUNZ! If every good guy was always packing heat, gun violence would be minimized!/

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:42:07am

Why do I object to the no fly list in its present state? Lack of due process. Until it has that it should not even exist, let alone be expanded to impact individual specifically protected rights. Travel and gun purchase.

aclu.org

In June 2010, the ACLU and its affiliates in Oregon, Southern California, Northern California, and New Mexico filed a legal challenge on behalf of 10 U.S. citizens and permanent residents who could not fly to or from the U.S. or over American airspace because they are on the government’s secretive No Fly List (an additional three people later joined the suit). The plaintiffs, who include four U.S. military veterans, were never told why they were on the list or given a reasonable opportunity to get off it. Being unable to fly has severely affected their lives, including their ability to be with their families, go to school, and travel for work. In August 2013, the court agreed with the ACLU that constitutional rights are at stake when the government puts Americans on the No Fly List, and in June 2014, the court ruled the government’s system for challenging inclusion on the No Fly List is unconstitutional.

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:43:29am

Very interesting observation. He has yet to make an appearance on the Sunday shows.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:43:39am

re: #182 darthstar

In sportsball news, our local basketball team has won 20 in a row…

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Steph had a monster game last night. 28 in a quarter? Get outta here.

And his dad was in the house - he’s the color man for the Hornets. And he was no slouch himself when it came to shooting the lights out.

That team is ridiclously good.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:43:40am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course it is…

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I knew this was coming.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:44:03am

“We need stricter gun laws.”

Since when have criminals ever followed the laws??!?!

JUST IN: ATF confirms all four guns in possession of #SanBernardino shooting suspects were legally purchased, @PaulaReidCBS reports.

“Apparently they follow them just fine.”

Shooter was Muslim!!! Why are politicizing this tragedy?

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:44:36am

re: #195 Belafon

Why do you carry your gun?

I work in the precious metals and jewelry industry. Robberies are sometimes brutally violent.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:44:50am

re: #199 Jenner7

Very interesting observation. He has yet to make an appearance on the Sunday shows.

That just proves how authentic and non-politician Trump is.
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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:45:10am

re: #200 makeitstop

Steph had a monster game last night. 28 in a quarter? Get outta here.

And his dad was in the house - he’s the color man for the Hornets. And he was no slouch himself when it came to shooting the lights out.

That team is ridiclously good.

The Warriors are one of the few NBA teams in history I can think of with a legit superstar or two that still manages to be a complete team top-to-bottom.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:45:38am

re: #203 Great White Snark

I work in the precious metals and jewelry industry. Robberies are sometimes brutally violent.

So you’re essentially a security guard?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:45:38am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

but, of course it is…

Fox analyst: Is the San Bernardino shooting “a literal war on Christmas?

I was making a snarky comment that the shooter might have been enraged that it was a “Holiday Party” and not a “Christmas Party”.

But these guys have truly transcended the distinction between parody and reality to yet another degree…

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:46:00am

re: #200 makeitstop

The Jazz almost beat them a few days ago. Almost. Grrrrr!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:47:05am

re: #203 Great White Snark

I work in the precious metals and jewelry industry. Robberies are sometimes brutally violent.

There are people who are entirely justified in carrying a gun. I do not think that most Starbuck’s customers fall under that heading, though…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:47:13am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:47:50am

I honestly can’t wait for FOX to ridicule this

Here’s what happened instead: Zuckerberg created an investment vehicle.

Sorry for the slightly less sexy headline.

Zuckerberg is a co-founder of Facebook and a youthful mega-billionaire. In announcing the birth of his daughter, he and his wife, Priscilla Chan, declared they would donate 99 percent of their worth, the vast majority of which is tied up in Facebook stock valued at $45 billion today.

In doing so, Zuckerberg and Chan did not set up a charitable foundation, which has nonprofit status. He created a limited liability company, one that has already reaped enormous benefits as public relations coup for himself. His PR return-on-investment dwarfs that of his Facebook stock. Zuckerberg was depicted in breathless, glowing terms for having, in essence, moved money from one pocket to the other.

An LLC can invest in for-profit companies (perhaps these will be characterized as societally responsible companies, but lots of companies claim the mantle of societal responsibility). An LLC can make political donations. It can lobby for changes in the law. He remains completely free to do as he wishes with his money. That’s what America is all about. But as a society, we don’t generally call these types of activities “charity.”

What’s more, a charitable foundation is subject to rules and oversight. It has to allocate a certain percentage of its assets every year. The new Zuckerberg LLC won’t be subject to those rules and won’t have any transparency requirements

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:48:03am

re: #206 Belafon

So you’re essentially a security guard?

I’m essentially a metallurgist. I have credentials from training in firearms at instructor certification level because I trained for 15 years, and practice ever since.

Darth I hope you agree your challenge has been answered fairly.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:48:18am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Which explains why there are so many more gun homicides in godless Western Europe than the US./

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:48:31am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are people who are entirely justified in carrying a gun. I do not think that most Starbuck’s customers fall under that heading, though…

Me neither!

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:48:45am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

But the Left is out of time and should tone it down.

Sigh.

BBL, grocery shopping.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:49:00am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The return of the ‘with us or with the terrorist’ bullshit. I swear if I hear someone paraphrase and say something along the lines of ‘objectively pro-ISIS’, I’m going to flip a fucking truck. We really are racing way back to 9/11 hysteria and worse at this rate.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:49:59am

re: #206 Belafon

I know that a bunch of folks who work in the Diamond District in NYC (47th Street), are concealed carry permit holders. They’re frequently carrying $250,000 or more in diamonds and other precious stones and metals as part of their business in buying/selling wholesale/retail. That block has a bunch of police on it every day - plainclothes and uniformed. But they have reason to need the extra protection.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:50:51am

re: #205 Kryptik

The Warriors are one of the few NBA teams in history I can think of with a legit superstar or two that still manages to be a complete team top-to-bottom.

Much was made about Kerr coaching the team last year, and how he was the key. But Luke Walton stepped in and they’re doing better than under Kerr.

Hell, they could probably just eliminate the coach job and just play the games. They’re that good.

Meanwhile, on the other coast - I’m here watching my Knicks try to get back on their feet, and it’s not always pretty. At least that Latvian rookie they picked shows a lot of promise. How do defend a 7’3” jump shooter? He’s gonna be an All Star one day.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:51:51am

Damn, I knew the stupidity & bigotry was gonna be strong today. Fucking NY Post is going to get someone killed. It hasn’t even been 24 hours & motive is still unknown, yet this is being portrayed as Islamist terrorism. Other than people asserting the guy was a “devout Muslim” (Geller’s favorite description, BTW) is there any indication from witnesses that this was related to religious extremism?

If there’s even a possibility that religious extremism played a role in the Colorado attack, then we need to see the NY Post blaring a headline that reads CHRISTIAN KILLER, accompanied by a bloody photo of one of Dear’s victims.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:52:59am

re: #218 makeitstop

Much was made about Kerr coaching the team last year, and how he was the key. But Luke Walton stepped in and they’re doing better than under Kerr.

Hell, they could probably just eliminate the coach job and just play the games. They’re that good.

Meanwhile, on the other coast - I’m here watching my Knicks try to get back on their feet, and it’s not always pretty. At least that Latvian rookie they picked shows a lot of promise. How do defend a 7’3” jump shooter? He’s gonna be an All Star one day.

Yeah, he’s a legit star in the making, but it might take a different team and/or location around him to make that happen

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:54:22am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Our home-grown Islam experts know all about sharia and taqiya and jihad, but forget that one of the main tenets of Islam is protecting the weak and helpless.

In that sense, nothing the SB assailant did makes him a Muslim except in name.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:55:42am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Planned Parenthood shootings show us it is time for cooler heads to prevail. Funny that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:55:57am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Damn, I knew the stupidity & bigotry was gonna be strong today. Fucking NY Post is going to get someone killed. It hasn’t even been 24 hours & motive is still unknown, yet this is being portrayed as Islamist terrorism. Other than people asserting the guy was a “devout Muslim” (Geller’s favorite description, BTW) is there any indication from witnesses that this was related to religious extremism?

If there’s even a possibility that religious extremism played a role in the Colorado attack, then we need to see the NY Post blaring a headline that reads CHRISTIAN KILLER, accompanied by a bloody photo of one of Dear’s victims.

Wingnuts always complain liberals are trying to shut them up, can’t express themselves because of political correctness, etc. But I notice whenever one of the sports folks I follow venture to say anything about a national tragedy that in any way conflicts with the RWNJ narrative the person’s wingnut followers jump in with Stick to sports!!! What do you know about terrorism?? Shut up!! Unfollowed!!!. Such is the case with this NY Post headline. Some national figures commenting on it and yesterday’s shooting more broadly, and the wingnuts are shitting a fit.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:57:23am

re: #212 Great White Snark

You are the exception rather than the rule though. Most people are not carrying precious metals around beyond what they may be wearing, like a wedding ring, earring or necklace.

The vast majority of people I know who have weapons and/or carry them are not formally trained. They go to the shooting range sometimes and have been taught by other friends of theirs who in turn are not formally trained. They think that makes them “a good guy with a gun”. I respect your choices here and understand your need to carry, but you are not in the majority of gun owners.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:57:26am

re: #218 makeitstop

Much was made about Kerr coaching the team last year, and how he was the key. But Luke Walton stepped in and they’re doing better than under Kerr.

Hell, they could probably just eliminate the coach job and just play the games. They’re that good.

Meanwhile, on the other coast - I’m here watching my Knicks try to get back on their feet, and it’s not always pretty. At least that Latvian rookie they picked shows a lot of promise. How do defend a 7’3” jump shooter? He’s gonna be an All Star one day.

And yet Walton isn’t getting credit for these wins, officially. His record is 0-0. Weird. I know he’s the interim, but there should be a place for allowing the interim to get the credit for these wins.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:57:42am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Lindsey Graham this morning, encouraging the vigilantes.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:58:14am

re: #212 Great White Snark

I’m essentially a metallurgist. I have credentials from training in firearms at instructor certification level because I trained for 15 years, and practice ever since.

OK. So metallurgist, and probably a number of other jobs, require you to be a good guy with a gun.

To modify the question a bit: Is there such a thing as a good guy with a gun without a prior justification? In other words, are you really a good guy with a gun if your reasoning is ‘someone in the future might do something?’ Shouldn’t walking around with a gun require something equivalent to probable cause, like people like to steal metals or diamonds?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:59:17am

re: #226 jaunte

Lindsey Graham this morning, encouraging the vigilantes.

Only if we treat some anti-abortionists the same way.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:59:20am

re: #203 Great White Snark

I work in the precious metals and jewelry industry. Robberies are sometimes brutally violent.

I don’t envy you. Stay safe.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:59:59am

re: #228 Belafon

Only if we treat some anti-abortionists the same way.

No, why are you politicizing the well intentioned killing of abortion providers?

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:00:12am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, lining up with the terrorists…who think what they’re doing is God’s will and pray to him for guidance and protection during their acts of terrorism…

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:00:21am

“How do identify the fifth columnists, Lindsey?”
“They have funny sounding names.”

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:01:01am

re: #220 Kryptik

Yeah, he’s a legit star in the making, but it might take a different team and/or location around him to make that happen

It’ll be a different team around him for sure - as Carmelo starts to fade, NYK will become Porzingas’ team - there are some impatient fans that think it is already. :)

Just like the last gifted big man they drafted, it’ll take a couple of years to get the team built right. By the time he hits his prime, the Knicks will be a force again.

Everyone from the front office and coaching staff to the NYC media - which has been merciless to the Knicks over the past ten years - are stunned that he’s progressing as quickly as he is. Smart player, gifted with awesome skills and able (and determined) to correct his game on the fly. The NBA hasn’t seen a player like him lately, if ever.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:01:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:02:43am
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Thrazidun  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:03:20am

Leaving, if you can, the political noise out, ask yourself why were the suspects wearing go-pro cameras? And suspects is plural it was two. So it’s not just one person with mental issues going on a killing spree, it is a pair who recorded, or wanted to record the event. This is not definitive proof it was religiously motivated but all signs point towards. If you look at this in an unbiased objective view it’s hard to find another conclusion.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:03:32am

You know WTF else I’d like to know? Farook’s coworkers didn’t realize anything was amiss with him and his family didn’t realize anything was amiss. If there was a mosque he regularly attended, you can be sure it’ll be swarming with FBI agents, even though mosques are no longer places were people are being radicalized (again if this is about radicalization and not some other issue).

Do people even realize that there can be other reasons besides ZOMG RADICAL ISLAM that might cause a Muslim to go off the rails? And despite no coworkers or family members being aware he had issues, people will be looking at his local Muslim community as if they somehow knew and said nothing, the implication being that 1) they’re willing to lie to protect one of their own, even if s/he’s a dangerous killer, or 2) they not only knew in advance, but approved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:03:34am

re: #224 A Mom Anon

The vast majority of people I know who have weapons and/or carry them are not formally trained. They go to the shooting range sometimes and have been taught by other friends of theirs who in turn are not formally trained. They think that makes them “a good guy with a gun”. I respect your choices here and understand your need to carry, but you are not in the majority of gun owners.

If you want to defend yourself or your family at home with a gun, then I guess that is your right. But to defend others in a crowded, chaotic public place (like a shooting scene), you need excellent situational awareness, nerves of steel and years of training and experience.

That is a skills set you cannot purchase over the counter at the local Wal-Mart sporting goods section.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:05:03am

re: #236 Thrazidun

Leaving, if you can, the political noise out, ask yourself why were the suspects wearing go-pro cameras? And suspects is plural it was two. So it’s not just one person with mental issues going on a killing spree, it is a pair who recorded, or wanted to record the event. This is not definitive proof it was religiously motivated but all signs point towards. If you look at this in an unbiased objective view it’s hard to find another conclusion.

“All signs”? What signs, besides his name and the words of his estranged father, point to this being religiously motivated?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:05:28am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Right. This is exactly 100% right.

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:06:26am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Damn, I knew the stupidity & bigotry was gonna be strong today. Fucking NY Post is going to get someone killed. It hasn’t even been 24 hours & motive is still unknown, yet this is being portrayed as Islamist terrorism. Other than people asserting the guy was a “devout Muslim” (Geller’s favorite description, BTW) is there any indication from witnesses that this was related to religious extremism?

If there’s even a possibility that religious extremism played a role in the Colorado attack, then we need to see the NY Post blaring a headline that reads CHRISTIAN KILLER, accompanied by a bloody photo of one of Dear’s victims.

Anyone want to close his church? make its members register yet.
Really thinking 24hour rules needs to be shut it all off for 24-48 hours. I can’t bear the bullshit expressed in the meantime. MEAN-time. Exploit time. Was this guy on the no fly list? His wife? No? Then why are we putting it in a conversation about yesterdays work place party massacre? Maybe I can’t say what was in their minds, but we can all now name the place and circumstance. An employee party. Killed fellow employees. No matter what his name his.

Born here right? Did the process to marry and bring the wife here right? Just wait, grist for the anti refugee momentum.

When a critic of Muslims says devout Muslim is dogwhistling extremist. Period. Devout in any reasonable context is a good thing among the faithful. It’s honest devotion to your faith whichever one that might be. Undeserving of contempt for origin, practices or prayer.

Guns bought legally-By the shooter, or someone else? Was that transfer legal? Maybe I missed that fact if it came out but maybe that’s good data to have at the start of the gun control policy discussion about this incident?

Pullng the plug on the MSM now until they have accurate new data. On this incident.

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:06:28am

re: #236 Thrazidun

Leaving, if you can, the political noise out, ask yourself why were the suspects wearing go-pro cameras? And suspects is plural it was two. So it’s not just one person with mental issues going on a killing spree, it is a pair who recorded, or wanted to record the event. This is not definitive proof it was religiously motivated but all signs point towards. If you look at this in an unbiased objective view it’s hard to find another conclusion.

Utter bilge.

Has no markers of other religiously oriented atrocities. The alternate hypothesis is that they were so egotistical that they wanted to immortalize their deeds forever, like many other mass murderers.

The “objective, unbiased view” is that you’re indulging in religious bigotry.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:07:45am

re: #237 CuriousLurker

Do people even realize that there can be other reasons besides ZOMG RADICAL ISLAM that might cause a Muslim to go off the rails? And despite no coworkers or family members being aware he had issues, people will be looking at his local Muslim community as if they somehow knew and said nothing, the implication being that 1) they’re willing to lie to protect one of their own, even if s/he’s a dangerous killer, or 2) they not only knew in advance, but approved.

People are going to take incomplete layman’s interpretations of what is expected of a Muslim and insist that the identity as a Muslim supersedes everything else and every action they take must be because of Islam or the Koran. It’s the same bullshit they pulled with Catholics around JFK but with the spectre of terrorism supplanting the spectre of Communism instead. Distilling people down to group caricatures is the American way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:08:52am

I recall that the PP shooter thought that “Jesus would forgive him”…for doing something that that is anathema to Christianity. Was he religiously motivated?

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:10:17am

Morning.

Is it still America?

(By the way, I like to try to read the threads. I can’t keep up, lots of comments, understandably.)

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:11:13am

re: #237 CuriousLurker

It could be just ask likely as any other hypothesis that he and his family were habitually targeted for harassment that perhaps originated at work. Makes as much sense as any other out of the blue pontification. I mean if we’re going to consider the fact he was a Muslim, then let’s look at ALL the angles.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:12:44am

Another killer couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, June 2014:

They weren’t Oath Keepers, sovereign citizens or militia members.

Jerad and Amanda Miller fashioned themselves as revolutionaries, but they weren’t accepted by anyone — not even their own families.

The Las Vegas cop killers died on the floor of a Wal-Mart, covered in blood and motor oil, alone with only their extremist delusions. They died together, but they were alone.

“We can’t find anything linking these two guys to anybody,” said a law enforcement official with knowledge of the ongoing investigation. “If they were a part of a group, they hid it well.”
reviewjournal.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:13:45am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

One of the shooters was a Muslim immigrant, which means that those issues have to be part of the discussion.

Not that Donald Trump will discuss anything. I truly dread what he’s going to say about this. Whatever it is, it’ll be vile and bigoted (which is why I will never vote for him).

You are enjoying this aren’t you?

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:15:44am

re: #232 jaunte

“How do identify the fifth columnists, Lindsey?”
“They have funny sounding names.”

Like “Beauregard”?

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bratwurst  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:16:24am

re: #236 Thrazidun

Leaving, if you can, the political noise out, ask yourself why were the suspects wearing go-pro cameras? And suspects is plural it was two. So it’s not just one person with mental issues going on a killing spree, it is a pair who recorded, or wanted to record the event. This is not definitive proof it was religiously motivated but all signs point towards. If you look at this in an unbiased objective view it’s hard to find another conclusion.

Interesting how the majority of posts of this nature are made as the author is on his/her way out the door.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:18:00am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is Case persecuting Christians and politicizing this tragedy?!?!?!

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:19:22am

re: #219 CuriousLurker

If there’s even a possibility that religious extremism played a role in the Colorado attack, then we need to see the NY Post blaring a headline that reads CHRISTIAN KILLER, accompanied by a bloody photo of one of Dear’s victims.

You’ll never see that headline in any newspaper in America, ever. You can take that to the bank.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:19:25am

re: #246 A Mom Anon

I mean really, people act like Islam has some kind of special bad juju that turns people murderously insane. I’ve been Muslim for 20+ years now and never once have I considered going out and killing innocent people.

I mean, there are MILLIONS of us here in the U.S. who manage to go about our lives perfectly normally, just like everyone else. and there are over a BILLION of us worldwide. If we all had violent inclinations due to our faith, I’d think we’d have wreaked considerably more death & destruction over the past 1400+ years than is in evidence.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:19:47am

re: #236 Thrazidun

Leaving, if you can, the political noise out, ask yourself why were the suspects wearing go-pro cameras? And suspects is plural it was two. So it’s not just one person with mental issues going on a killing spree, it is a pair who recorded, or wanted to record the event. This is not definitive proof it was religiously motivated but all signs point towards. If you look at this in an unbiased objective view it’s hard to find another conclusion.

They should have yelled about “baby parts” and all would have been forgiven.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:20:32am

re: #237 CuriousLurker

You know WTF else I’d like to know? Farook’s coworkers didn’t realize anything was amiss with him and his family didn’t realize anything was amiss. If there was a mosque he regularly attended, you can be sure it’ll be swarming with FBI agents, even though mosques are no longer places were people are being radicalized (again if this is about radicalization and not some other issue).

Do people even realize that there can be other reasons besides ZOMG RADICAL ISLAM that might cause a Muslim to go off the rails? And despite no coworkers or family members being aware he had issues, people will be looking at his local Muslim community as if they somehow knew and said nothing, the implication being that 1) they’re willing to lie to protect one of their own, even if s/he’s a dangerous killer, or 2) they not only knew in advance, but approved.

Not like he was a postal worker or anything.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:20:56am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Possibly. But more likely we need to impose security vetting for spouses from certain countries. And Saudi Arabia ought to be high on the list of countries whose citizens get extensively vetted.

Dammit. You are fine with imposing regulations like this, but any regulation about guns is poo-pooed by you.

Do you realize how many people die every year in this country by gun deaths NOT associated with people from any other country than this one?

Oh, wait, you can claim you don’t really know because the CDC can’t compile the records and do the proper studies.

And that is because you are reluctant to allow that.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:21:06am

A couple online profiles have been discovered for Syed Farook

According to a profile posted on the dating site iMilap, Farook enjoyed “reading religious books and target practice with younger sister and friends.”

A separate profile on dubaimatrimonial.com (which describes itself as the “first and only legal marriage service provider in the UAE), shows Farook identifying himself as a Sunni:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:22:02am

re: #252 Skip Intro

You’ll never see that headline in any newspaper in America, ever. You can take that to the bank.

Because they exist to sell newsprint and advertising space, not to sell news.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:22:41am

re: #253 CuriousLurker

I mean really, people act like Islam has some kind of special bad juju that turns people murderously insane. I’ve been Muslim for 20+ years now and never once have I considered going out and killing innocent people.

We never know when you are going to turn. It’l like a zombie virus.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:23:28am

re: #256 ObserverArt

Dammit. You are fine with imposing regulations like this, but any regulation about guns is poo-pooed by you.

Do you realize how many people die every year in this country by gun deaths NOT associated with people from any other country than this one?

Oh, wait, you can claim you don’t really know because the CDC can’t compile the records and do the proper studies.

And that is because you are reluctant to allow that.

What pisses me off is I feel it’s not principle, it’s party line and opposition to gun regulations is the party line.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:24:19am

re: #56 Jay C

And just as a thought experiment, what, one wonders, would have an “extensive” vetting of Tashfeen Malik been likely to turn up? What, that is, that would have been serious enough to keep her out?

My guess, from the evidence uncovered so far, is pretty much “nothing”, YMMV

ADD: see #50

She is Saudi. That is enough. Period.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:25:54am

re: #253 CuriousLurker

I mean really, people act like Islam has some kind of special bad juju that turns people murderously insane. I’ve been Muslim for 20+ years now and never once have I considered going out and killing innocent people.

I mean, there are MILLIONS of us here in the U.S. who manage to go about our lives perfectly normally, just like everyone else. and there are over a BILLION of us worldwide. If we all had violent inclinations due to our faith, I’d think we’d have wreaked considerably more death & destruction over the past 1400+ years than is in evidence.

It’s the same othering that Blacks get. One black criminal can’t be simply one black criminal, they have to be the indictment of the whole, the proof that shows what the entire group truly is. They got a late start with Muslims, but only because it took some time after pivoting away from Jews and Catholics after othering them became less vogue.

And lets fucking face it: a lot of this comes down to racism as well. Look at attacks on people from North Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East, attacked because they ‘look Muslim’. Think about why people think they ‘look Muslim’. It’s snap racial judgment on top of everything else.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:26:14am

re: #253 CuriousLurker

We could also maybe look at ALL these mass shootings and see what the commonalities are. Even beyond the easy accumulation of firearms. Who are these people? What the hell is happening in this country that makes people so disconnected that they feel the only thing that makes sense is killing people? Where is this anger coming from? Is there any way we could begin helping people deal with that by having places they can go to deal with it constructively? And this isn’t just about getting mental health help either, why do so many people feel disaffected and unattached to their communities? I know this sounds all touchy feely liberal huggy, but what we’re doing isn’t working. It goes beyond a few half ass anti bullying programs in schools and some rules that your HR dept may or may not enforce at work. Something is wrong and we really need to start looking beyond where we are now.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:26:50am

re: #263 A Mom Anon

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:28:13am

I don’t know if you saw this, but the Nerf Rebelle Codebreaker Crossbow can be locked with a passcode. So we can make a kids toy with a lock, but not an adult toy.

I wonder if any gun worshippers went nuts when they saw that. A whole generation of kids could grow up thinking that weapons should have locks.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:29:04am

Rod Dreher et al are clutching pearls on the fainting couch over “prayer shaming” from yesterday while Donald Trump is likely reviewing best practices of German speeches from 1938.

…and DF…you know I love ya…but you aren’t exactly helping right now.

This day already fucking sucks.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:29:48am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Nothing in either profile looks even remotely extreme to me.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:30:08am

It appears that Farook’s wife was a pharmacist. Sounds familiar for some reason.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:30:20am
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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:31:00am

re: #229 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t envy you. Stay safe.

Thanks, do mah best

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Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:31:31am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

Word salad from Dana. Can anyone translate?

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Abortion, natch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:31:50am

re: #266 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher et al are clutching pearls on the fainting couch over “prayer shaming”

That has a better ring than “War on Christmas”.

Is it “prayer shaming” when we shame parents who deny their children medical care and simply pray over them? Because that is what the GOP is doing with America and inaction over gun control.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:32:27am
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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:32:45am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

I seen an Onion article: “President Clinton Orders US Flags Lowered in Remembrance of Week Without Mass Shooting.”

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:33:23am

re: #267 CuriousLurker

Nothing in either profile looks even remotely extreme to me.

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:33:37am

re: #264 lawhawk

I agree that the guns and access to them is primary. I’m just saying there is something else is at work beyond that. Would these same people become physically violent without the guns? Guns make the carnage worse, far worse, and they’re simple to use, do lots of damage fast. I just wonder, if we got all those things in place, then would we still see, not gun deaths, other violent crimes too? Like I said, I don’t have any concrete answers, just thinking and wondering aloud with a big WTF?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:33:57am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

His family is from Pakistan. He was born in the US.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:34:11am

re: #188 Great White Snark

That just might be me. What exactly makes me anything but a good guy?

Excellent question. Do you ever see yourself in a situation where you’ll need to use your gun to protect your constitutional right to invoke the fifth Amendment in the face of tyrrany? If not, you’re probably okay. :)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:34:16am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

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They’ll find some way to bitch about this.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:34:59am

re: #278 darthstar

Excellent question. Do you ever see yourself in a situation where you’ll need to use your gun to protect your constitutional right to invoke the fifth Amendment in the face of tyrrany? If not, you’re probably okay. :)

Seriously, though…if tyranny is anywhere near your reasoning, that would be of concern.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:35:35am

re: #267 CuriousLurker

Nothing in either profile looks even remotely extreme to me.

They appear no more out of place than the literal thousands of profiles I have seen on singles sites where people are proudly announcing their christianity

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:35:38am

re: #277 Dr. Matt

His family is from Pakistan. He was born in the US.

Like Bruce Springsteen or Lee Greenwood.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:36:10am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:36:14am

Convicted Felon Bernie Kerik Chimes In:

Bernie Kerik: The mere fact that the FBI has just about taken over this thing, that leads me to believe terrorism as well.

I’m going towards terrorism. I think this could have been — and I said this earlier, this could have been a sleeper that went operational, after maybe somebody had a problem or maybe this was the whole setup. because they were in and out. Got out of there, got completely out of the area without being tagged.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:36:45am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

I wonder how often profile searches like this even peg the right person. And how often assholes and trolls create dummy profiles to latch on to shit like this and see who falls for it, either for shits and giggles or ‘prove a point’ and further their own fever swamp.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:37:23am

Speaking of violating the #2A rights of some asshole…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:38:06am

re: #284 Dr. Matt

Convicted Felon Bernie Kerik Chimes In:

Really irresponsible rhetoric but the Dems are politicizing this by wanting saner gun laws. Right..,

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:38:24am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

People’s families often want to know the background of any potential spouses, and that would include where the person’s family is from.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:38:27am

re: #134 No Country For Old Haters

His upbringing fucked him up and made him a Republican robot, but he’s obviously trying hard to be better, or he wouldn’t still be here.

I think you are on the right path. I have some thoughts on it all, but that is all they are is thoughts.

Let’s just say I feel sorry for Dark. Inside an extremely hard and un-crackable shell is a good egg.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:39:27am

Hoft can’t wrap head around possibility that workplace violence (which happens frequently in the US) could be involved, and not Islamic terrorism:

He’s working hard to reclaim his SMOTI title.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:39:57am

re: #286 darthstar

Speaking of violating the #2A rights of some asshole…

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But remember, it’s BLM who are the racists and causing all this chaos because they’re the only racism that really exists.

(No, seriously, I swear to god I want to tear my hair out at how many people I come upon acting like BLM is the new goddamn Black Panthers but like magnitudes worse. And most of that shit comes from so called ‘millennials’, the future generations we’re supposed to rely on to be less racist than the previous gens.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:41:22am

re: #290 lawhawk

Hoft can’t wrap head around possibility that workplace violence (which happens frequently in the US) could be involved, and not Islamic terrorism:

It is Islamic immigrant terror, pure and simple. And anyone not shouting it from the rooftops (once they have been cleared of cheering Muslims) is a terrorist sympathizer and a Jihadi stooge.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:41:38am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

Have you ever seen how many people list themselves as “native American” on singles sites?
Never over analyze someone’s inputs, especially if you have never filled out the same database forms

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:41:50am

re: #290 lawhawk

Hoft can’t wrap head around possibility that workplace violence (which happens frequently in the US) could be involved, and not Islamic terrorism:

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He’s working hard to reclaim his SMOTI title.

Wow indeed Jim not every murder committed by a Muslim is religious related just like your crimes against common sense aren’t indictments on your religion but more on you being a dishonest hack.

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:44:07am

re: #291 Kryptik

But remember, it’s BLM who are the racists and causing all this chaos because they’re the only racism that really exists.

(No, seriously, I swear to god I want to tear my hair out at how many people I come upon acting like BLM is the new goddamn Black Panthers but like magnitudes worse. And most of that shit comes from so called ‘millennials’, the future generations we’re supposed to rely on to be less racist than the previous gens.)

Black Panthers are literally the boogieman that racism has created…I’ve known a number of oldtimers and they’re far from the anti-white monsters that some people think they area.

Just remember…Chaka Khan was the secretary for one chapter….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:44:28am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Really irresponsible rhetoric but the Dems are politicizing this by wanting saner gun laws. Right..,

I’ll see your “really irresponsible rhetoric” and raise you this:

Arpaio calls on 250K armed citizens to stop terrorism and mass shootings

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:45:44am

re: #285 Kryptik

I wonder how often profile searches like this even peg the right person. And how often assholes and trolls create dummy profiles to latch on to shit like this and see who falls for it, either for shits and giggles or ‘prove a point’ and further their own fever swamp.

The picture that was all over the toobs last night was of the wrong guy.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:46:26am
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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:47:02am

re: #297 Skip Intro

The picture that was all over the toobs last night was of the wrong guy.

That’s exactly the reason why these profile searches and trudging feels so useless to me, there’s far too much chance it’s either the wrong guy or a dummy profile to begin with.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:47:15am

re: #293 FormerDirtDart

Have you ever seen how many people list themselves as “native American” on singles sites?
Never over analyze someone’s inputs, especially if you have never filled out the same database forms

Can’t say I’ve ever been on a singles site.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:48:32am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The second one doesn’t make sense. Born in Chicago but country is Pakistan. Speaks Urdu. City Karachi. Residing city LA.

And he was born in 1987 but he’s only 23 years old? He should be 28, assuming that the age variable is derived from the date of birth. Otherwise, they’re both entered manually and it’s over 5 years old.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:49:27am
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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:49:49am

re: #281 FormerDirtDart

They appear no more out of place than the literal thousands of profiles I have seen on singles sites where people are proudly announcing their christianity

If he was seeking an observant Muslim wife it would make sense to list his religious beliefs. Then again, the second profile says “NoReligionBar” under “Acceptable Religion” (which I refers to the prospective spouse) so it seems that wasn’t a priority for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:50:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:51:22am

Kentucky GOP keeps trying to be more embarrassing than Texas:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:52:03am

re: #303 CuriousLurker

If he was seeking an observant Muslim wife it would make sense to list his religious beliefs. Then again, the second profile says “NoReligionBar” under “Acceptable Religion” (which I refers to the prospective spouse) so it seems that wasn’t a priority for him.

I just assumed he did not have space to say “There is no true religion bar Islam”…

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:52:40am

re: #300 Skip Intro

Can’t say I’ve ever been on a singles site.

Well, there’s not a damn thing on those that jump out as strange

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:54:25am

She had a 6-month-old baby. SHE HAD A BABY.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:56:46am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky GOP keeps trying to be more embarrassing than Texas:

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Agh.

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:58:40am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

She had a 6-month-old baby. SHE HAD A BABY.

Yeah….that’s what makes this very odd…

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:59:59am

re: #300 Skip Intro

Can’t say I’ve ever been on a singles site.

Me either, but I can sure understand some idiots being confused by ‘native American’ ‘cuz they were borned here, so they are natives!

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calochortus  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:01:53am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

She had a 6-month-old baby. SHE HAD A BABY.

Post partum depression?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:03:52am

re: #312 calochortus

Post partum depression?

Maybe she thought she was coming back. Maybe she went because her husband said “Come with me!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:01am

re: #312 calochortus

Post partum depression?

My experience (as father of four kids) is that post-partum stress and hormone swings bring out whatever the mother’s dominant traits are. My wife, for example, had post-partum aggression, because that was her character.

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nines09  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:08am
Lip Service To You


Real Service To The NRA

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:25am

It’s not that some folks aren’t opposed to gun control, it’s that they want it controlled for certain groups even though firearms fatalities cut across all socio-economic groups.

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:54am

re: #227 Belafon

To modify the question a bit: Is there such a thing as a good guy with a gun without a prior justification? In other words, are you really a good guy with a gun if your reasoning is ‘someone in the future might do something?’ Shouldn’t walking around with a gun require something equivalent to probable cause, like people like to steal metals or diamonds?

I don’t carry without cause and it’s unwise to do so. In California it is required for CCW and open carry is already gone. Anyways this has nothing to do with yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:05:38am

re: #316 lawhawk

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It’s not that some folks aren’t opposed to gun control, it’s that they want it controlled for certain groups even though firearms fatalities cut across all socio-economic groups.

In other words Trump supporters want special laws for Muslims. Yeah they love the Constitution so much!

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The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:06:44am

re: #311 ObserverArt

I have. 2 of them.

Reason being the the various Muslim communities are so isolated from one another in the US, that there needs to be a way to meet people outside your metro area.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:07:01am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky GOP keeps trying to be more embarrassing than Texas:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:07:40am

re: #319 The War TARDIS

I have. 2 of them.

Reason being the the various Muslim communities are so isolated from one another in the US, that there needs to be a way to meet people outside your metro area.

It won’t be a problem any more once you are all rounded up into camps…

(wish I was only joking)

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Great White Snark  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:08:32am

re: #278 darthstar

Excellent question. Do you ever see yourself in a situation where you’ll need to use your gun to protect your constitutional right to invoke the fifth Amendment in the face of tyrrany? If not, you’re probably okay. :)

Haha nope.

Except for the Trump guy
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:09:07am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

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Robert Dear, 2015

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:10:26am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Robert Dear, 2015

Robert Dear wasn’t specifically from/in Kentucky, those four were

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:11:47am

re: #324 FormerDirtDart

Robert Dear wasn’t specifically from/in Kentucky, those four were

Yes he was, Dear grew up in Louisville.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:12:10am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am sure that these shooters just needed a little more time to assimilate.

With more than 350 mass shootings so far this year it looks like they were plenty assimilated.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:15:39am

I sure have no idea what they were thinking, if they were thinking.

But I can imagine what it does feel like to be completely ostracized by your birth country when you hear the daily media and all that talk from idiots like Trump wanting to round up Muslims, or go through their mosques to check on them and make them wear ID.

Add in some other things like job issues and there becomes a snapping point.

Feeling unwanted is a powerful thing. It leads to all kinds of bad things. Maybe they were building to this point and their having a child kept things in order. Then he goes to a holiday party and someone says something nasty to him about him being a Muslim, he leaves goes home and tells the wife and they both decide “fuck it” let’s give them what they expect, what they want.

There will be no simple answer because this whole mess is not simple. But America isn’t big on understanding, so on we go…

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:16:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:18:17am

re: #328 jaunte

Trump to Republican Jewish Coalition: “I’m a negotiator like you folks.”

“And I can also get it for you wholesale.”

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:18:49am

re: #328 jaunte

I work around a number of blacks. While there’s a high probability that they voted for Obama, it would be racist to assume they are Democrats. It’s anti-Semitic to assume that Jews are all financial wizards.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:19:43am

“typecasting”

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:20:07am

re: #328 jaunte

John Harwood ✔ @JohnJHarwood

Trump to Republican Jewish Coalition: “I’m a negotiator like you folks.”

12:05 PM - 3 Dec 2015 * Staten Island, NY, United States

Gee, I wonder what he means by that?

TRUMP® The Greatest Ugly America EVER!

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:21:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:21:44am

re: #332 ObserverArt

Gee, I wonder what he means by that?

TRUMP(r) The Greatest Ugly America EVER!

Yes, I remember even my family using the phrase “to Jew someone down” in the sense of “to successfully negotiate more favorable terms in a business deal”…

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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:21:54am

Someone should ask Ben Shapiro how sharp his negotiating skills are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:23:28am
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:23:55am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:24:25am

re: #328 jaunte

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Trump at the NAACP: “I have a wonderful sense of rhythm.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:24:39am
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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:25:42am

If asked, Trump would probably say he’s a yuuge supporter of Israel, and would then blather about warplanes and dangerous muslims if anyone asked what that meant.

Ergo he cannot be antisemitic.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:25:59am
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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:26:02am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

What timing.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:26:23am

re: #334 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, I remember even my family using the phrase “to Jew someone down” in the sense of “successfully negotiating more favorable terms in a business deal”…

My family too, except for me and one brother that started to think this shit through. I don’t think people that said stuff like that ever gave it a thought, it was just accepted and it doesn’t seem like anyone thought where and how the phrase was created and what it really meant.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:26:37am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Trump at the NAACP: “I have a wonderful sense of rhythm.”

Next—Trump weighs in on the pastrami duel between Katz’s in New York and Langer’s in Los Angeles…

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:27:45am

re: #341 jaunte

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With that, Trump jumps another 10 points in the polls…

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:27:57am

One would gasp at Trump criticizing anyone else’s degree of commitment.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:28:00am

Paul Ryan to lay out vision in speech calling for safety net cuts

…Speaking even as the Senate debates the latest repeal of Obama’s health law, Ryan says: “We owe it to the country to offer a bold, pro-growth agenda. And that is what we are going to do.”

Excerpts released by his office ahead of the speech were short on specifics. But Ryan has made clear that he has no desire to hang back and play a supporting role to the GOP’s presidential nominee next year. And the former House Budget Committee chairman who’s proposed slashing Medicaid and converting Medicare into a voucher-like program hinted at fresh assaults on federal programs — positions that are likely to provide election-year ammunition to Democrats.

“In 1996, we created a work requirement for welfare. But that was just one program. We have to fix all the others now,” Ryan says. “I’d combine a lot of them and send that money back to the states for better poverty-fighting solutions. Require everyone who can, to work.”

Ryan also makes clear he is more interested in promulgating a GOP vision than in finding common ground with Obama.

“Even if he won’t sign them into law, we will put out specific proposals and give the people a real choice,” Ryan said.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:28:05am

re: #341 jaunte

The irony here is he’s probably right, given who is currently in charge in Israel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:28:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:32:34am

re: #330 Belafon

I work around a number of blacks. While there’s a high probability that they voted for Obama, it would be racism to assume they are Democrats. It’s anti-Semitic to assume that Jews are all financial wizards.

Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.

Source.

BTW Ivanka Trump converted to Judaism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:33:27am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:33:40am

re: #347 Amory Blaine

Paul Ryan to lay out vision in speech calling for safety net cuts

How awfully fucking courageous of him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:34:56am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Our enemies are from Illinois? He’s more of an American than you are Mr. I had to renounce my Canadian citizenship to seek the presidency.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:35:13am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:35:43am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He doesn’t know how to pander to the fundies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:37:50am

Erick is prepared like a good boy scout==>

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:38:39am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Time to buy another gun too.

How many hands does he have?

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:11am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

No it doesn’t “have” to be a part of the discussion. You know what EVERY SINGLE MASS SHOOTING has in common? Come on, guess……(theme song from Jeopardy….)….GUNS. The ease of getting them, the entire culture that drills into our heads that guns are a measure of bravery, a solution to problems. I do not want to hear shit about illegal guns either. Because you know what? No law stops all crimes. What laws do is set explicit consequences for serious actions. And it’s not just laws, there’s gun buy back programs (without the NRA whining about their precious guns being melted down and recycled, money which could then go into community policing programs), licensing and insurance requirements for gun owners, a national registry for all weapons, no more gun show or private sale loopholes, restricting the ability of domestic abusers and people on a terror watch list from having weapons, etc. There is no one simple solution, it’s a big problem requiring multiple solutions. It’s going to multiple things, consistently applied.

It’s kind of amazing that, even with the strength of the tobacco lobby, we were able to ban television ads for cigarettes, disallow smoking in most workplaces, all (I think) public buildings, most restaurants, many outdoor venues and even some municipalities. There was even a push at one time to have laws against smoking in your car if you had children with you.
Insurance premiums are higher for smokers because of the health risk.

But guns? Nuh uh, no way. It’s all skate all the time. And all of the so-called “accidental” shootings, which should be called negligent anyway, likely increase health care/insurance costs, but nuh uh—can’t talk about it. Pediatricians aren’t even allowed to discuss guns in the home around young children.

Per Charles P. Pierce:

…there is murder in this country’s heart now, not buried very deeply at all any more, and that there are people who are more than willing to act on it. This is a ferocious loss of faith in democracy, in the project of creating a viable political commonwealth. It is aided and abetted by a revolting firearms fetish that is exploited by cheap and miserable politicians. I don’t care anymore about pointing out who may or may not have blood on their hands. It’s knee-deep, and we’re all in it.

esquire.com

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:28am

re: #333 jaunte

That sounds very informed and wise of Trump to say.
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THE JUICE LOVE ME!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:35am

Are there any real sources for this claim the San Bernardino killers wore GoPro cameras? Or did this just bubble up out of Jim Hoft’s sick mind again?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:52am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Erick is prepared like a good boy scout==>

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He didn’t want to buy one after Colorado Spribgs?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:40:08am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Erick is prepared like a good boy scout==>

Erick son of Erick is a parody of himself.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:40:18am

re: #358 jaunte

How many hands does he have?

That’s why you have children, so they can reload while you shoot.

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:12am

Lots of pearl clutching on Faux News right now.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:22am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

His garage full of gunz and ammo was already full. But now he’s gonna need a bigger shed to store all the weaponry he needs to defend himself down in GA from Obama coming to get his gunz.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:37am

re: #364 Belafon

That’s why you have children, so they can reload shoot each other while you shoot reload.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:44am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Erick is prepared like a good boy scout==>

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It is so telling this idiot cannot figure out he sounds just like the person he hates. Just substitute every time he says Muslim with Christian and there is no difference.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:44am

re: #364 Belafon

That’s why you have children, so they can reload while you shoot.

You never know when the old homestead is going to be surrounded by Indians, so you need all the guns/ammo you can get.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:43:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:44:09am

re: #361 Charles Johnson
Google only shows it at the wingnut sites.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:45:12am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

Is that exclusive sort of like how you can only get Garth Brooks albums at Walmart?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:45:18am

re: #361 Charles Johnson

Are there any real sources for this claim the San Bernardino killers wore GoPro cameras? Or did this just bubble up out of Jim Hoft’s sick mind again?

FOX News mentions them

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:46:10am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They all think of themselves as Neo in the Matrix when they assault the building with Morpheus held inside. Guns strapped everywhere - an unending cascade of bullets, and being bulletproof.

The reality? A chairborne ranger who’d probably: 1) shit themselves if facing a life/death crisis; 2) shoot and injure/kill someone other than the bad guy; 3) be shot themselves for being misidentified as the shooter (bad guy) by law enforcement or another good guy with a gun; 4) complicate the law enforcement scene control; 5) accidentally shoot and injure themselves or someone they know; or 6) die from the collapsing pile of ammo and guns they’ve stockpiled in event of the government coming to grab their guns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:46:35am

re: #361 Charles Johnson

Are there any real sources for this claim the San Bernardino killers wore GoPro cameras? Or did this just bubble up out of Jim Hoft’s sick mind again?

Maybe they wanted to record any examples of excessive police violence…

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Bubblehead II  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:46:59am

re: #361 Charles Johnson

Are there any real sources for this claim the San Bernardino killers wore GoPro cameras? Or did this just bubble up out of Jim Hoft’s sick mind again?

Fwiw, Fox is reporting that they had GoPros strapped to their bodies.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:46:59am

1,400 .223 rounds on their person…

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D_Red  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:47:00am

“Ted Cruz says Tom Hagen not war consigliere”

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:47:50am

12 pipe bombs in their apartment

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:48:18am

re: #376 Bubblehead II

Fwiw, Fox is reporting that they had GoPros strapped to their bodies.

what is the significance of their having these GoPros?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:48:28am

re: #379 Kent Dorfman

12 pipe bombs in their apartment

Jesus. And they had a six month old.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:48:28am

2,500 .223 rounds in their apartment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:48:33am

Fox cites an unnamed law enforcement source for the gopro cameras.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:49:10am

re: #380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Download the video between the first attack and their final demise.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:49:14am

re: #380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

what is the significance of their having these GoPros?

They were going to upload the videos to the Darknet and make a bunch of money selling snuff porno
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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:49:49am

No go pros.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:04am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:23am

SBPD Chief “No gopro or cameras confirmed”

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:44am

Sounds more and more not like workplace violence but a planned terrorist attack. What I don’t understand is why they were just driving around in their SUV.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:48am

re: #382 Kent Dorfman

2,055 .223 rounds in their apartment.

So, nothing out of the ordinary.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:51:24am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Enjoy prison fuckhole.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:51:30am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

So 20 hours of community service then.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:51:51am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Oh please. He’s so full of shit. I think it might have been him, a few years ago on Earth Day who said he was going to keep all his lights on and his SUV in the driveway idling with a full tank when he wasn’t driving. Sure Erick, Sure. It’s like guys who brag about how much sex they’re having when they’re not.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:51:55am

re: #380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

what is the significance of their having these GoPros?

Terrorist porn

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:52:04am

I am reminded of this book I read several years ago, about a fictious terror attack at a “Large Shopping Center in Minnesota That Is Not Mall Of America”

The hero is a “good guy with a gun” (Marine sniper) who analyzes the logistics of the scene. Another “good guy with a gun” that he doesn’t know about would be categorized as a “bad guy” in this scenario.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:52:15am

re: #394 Stanley Sea Toujours

Terrorist porn

ie. our fear of it.

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Bubblehead II  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:52:23am

re: #380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

what is the significance of their having these GoPros?

Well one reason would be to document the attack and upload it to a jihad site if this was in fact a planned terrorist attack.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:52:48am

re: #393 A Mom Anon

Oh please. He’s so full of shit. I think it might have been him, a few years ago on Earth Day who said he was going to keep all his lights on and his SUV in the driveway idling with a full tank when he wasn’t driving. Sure Erick, Sure. It’s like guys who brag about how much sex they’re having when they’re not.

That could have been him or Steve Crowder or maybe both of them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:53:08am

re: #393 A Mom Anon

Oh please. He’s so full of shit. I think it might have been him, a few years ago on Earth Day who said he was going to keep all his lights on and his SUV in the driveway idling with a full tank when he wasn’t driving. Sure Erick, Sure. It’s like guys who brag about how much sex they’re having when they’re not.

I actually don’t believe most gun Humperdinck like him use guns because they’re constantly bragging about how many guns they have and how that makes them bad asses or something.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:53:29am

So, no GoPro, and Hoft / FauxNews throws out yet another lie/smear/unfounded claim.

Figures.

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:53:36am

re: #380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

what is the significance of their having these GoPros?

For some reason, it proves that they are religious extremists. Really?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:54:17am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breaking: Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship found guilty on 1 of 3 counts connected to mine explosion that killed 29 t.co
— Steven Greenhouse

Why is Obama persecuting law-abiding free market businessmen?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:54:24am

re: #390 jaunte

So, nothing out of the ordinary.

Hey, I’ve carried 1000 rds of 7.62 4x1 linked along with 180 rds or 5.56 tracer, but I was in the process of invading Grenada

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:54:29am

re: #401 Bird in the Paw

For some reason, it proves that they are religious extremists. Really?

Mohammed used a GoPro when Iberia was invaded.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:09am

Carson isn’t. He’s ignorant about the Middle East, and the ability to spoon feed him details about any of the current conflicts there have fallen on deaf ears. He’s unworthy of any consideration for the office that he seeks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:15am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Enjoy prison fuckhole.

re: #392 Skip Intro

So 20 hours of community service then.

It’s a misdemeanor with a potential one-year prison sentence.
He’ll never see any time in jail.

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Lidane  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:36am

No one could have predicted:

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:45am

re: #400 lawhawk

I don’t remember how the question was asked. He may have meant their bodies did not have gopro cameras on them. They could have had them during the first shooting and left them in their apartment.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:56am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

So this pretty much confirms that it was well thought out, at least as far as gathering stuff up and picking a target. It’s odd they haven’t found anything stating a motive yet (as far as we know at least). Don’t most terrorists want people to know what they’re up to and why after the fact to instill even more fear and doubt about just going about day to day life? Still a lot of missing pieces here…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:06am

Ben Shapiro, the Jewiest Jew who ever did Jewishing, and who decides that you’re not a “good enough” or a “real” Jew, is BFFs with this ugly little anti-Semitic piece of garbage==>

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gwangung  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:14am

re: #408 Kent Dorfman

I don’t remember how the question was asked. He may have meant their bodies did not have gopro cameras on them. They could have had them during the first shooting and left them in their apartment.

Reaching…..

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:14am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:27am

re: #405 lawhawk

Carson isn’t. He’s ignorant about the Middle East, and the ability to spoon feed him details about any of the current conflicts there have fallen on deaf ears. He’s unworthy of any consideration for the office that he seeks.

Is Ari working for Jeb! or another candidate?

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:44am

The right-wing fascists in this country are really sapping my capacity to feel any kind of national pride. So many shitty people that share the distinction of being an American with me.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:52am

re: #361 Charles Johnson

Are there any real sources for this claim the San Bernardino killers wore GoPro cameras? Or did this just bubble up out of Jim Hoft’s sick mind again?

I haven’t seen it anywhere but in that troll’s post upthread.

I’m wondering where it came from, too.

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andres  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:57:59am

re: #403 FormerDirtDart

Hey, I’ve carried 1000 rds of 7.62 4x1 linked along with 180 rds or 5.56 tracer, but I was in the process of invading Grenada

All by yourself? :P

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:58:05am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

It’s guns as accessories and toys. Cosplay.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:58:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:59:05am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:01:09am

re: #416 andres

All by yourself? :P

Well, my buddy was carrying another 800 rds of 7.62, about 500 rds of 5.56, the tripod & spare barrel for my machine gun, and a LAW

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:01:14am

re: #414 No Depression

The right-wing fascists in this country are really sapping my capacity to feel any kind of national pride. So many shitty people that share the distinction of being an American with me.

It’s not just that, it’s the absolute denial of anyone else to the identity of ‘American’. And that’s the problem. They get away with this because they’re allowed to define who gets to be the real ‘patriots’, by a thoroughly broken political atmosphere and a media that bows to their every whim so they can punch a few hippies and hopefully avoid a ‘librul media’ stigma that they try to but never will escape.

They are, for all intents an purposes, ‘America’. They are the only America that’s allowed, and everyone else is the Other that needs to be cowed or eliminated.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:01:22am

Of particular note:

 A case in Texas two weeks ago highlights the risks of civilians intervening in chaotic situations. Police say that as two carjackers struggled with the owner of a car at a gas station in northeast Houston, a witness decided to take action into his own hands. He fired several shots, but missed the perpetrators and shot the owner of the car in the head. He then picked up his shell casings and fled the scene. Police are still looking for the shooter.

The potential for that kind of outcome is why most police agencies strongly recommend that concealed carry holders only use their weapons as an absolute last resort, and not intervene in robberies or other crimes in which they’re not directly involved. David Chipman notes that even police officers are told that if they encounter a crime in progress while off-duty, “maybe the best thing to do at that time is not to take lethal action but instead try to be the best witness you can be.”

Not pulling a weapon is often the wisest course of action in active-shooter situations. While a number of conservatives declared that Oregon’s Umpqua Community College, the scene of a mass shooting last week, was a gun-free zone, the truth is that several concealed carry holders were present, and they wisely decided to leave their guns holstered. Veteran John Parker later explained to MSNBC, “We could have opened ourselves up to be potential targets ourselves, and not knowing where SWAT was… if we had our guns ready to shoot, they could think that we were bad guys.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:01:32am
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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:02:17am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

Well, that’s going to make the next GOP debate, I bet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:06am

Well that’s disappointing. Got dismissed a little early from my temp one day assignment. Boring work honestly. I can do that kind of work but it helps if I can listen to music or an audiobook while I work or have people I can talk to while i do that. Still getting paid though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:35am

re: #417 A Mom Anon

It’s guns as accessories and toys. Cosplay.

Yep hence why you see candidates woh mostly dont’ know what the fuck they’re doing pose with them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:49am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:49am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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Yep, here we go. I honestly am dreading but fully expecting some sort of high-profile attack on Muslim people before the end of the year at this rate. And perhaps 5 or so bills demanding mass internment too by election time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:55am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is what Hitler did!

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:04:33am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember Blankenship in those videos of him out on the political stump, wearing that shirt that was intended to look like the US flag?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:04:46am

OT but Raw Story just may have come up with the best parody of a Raw Story headline ever:

Saudi man who wanted to go ‘extreme’ in Aspen exposes genitals and spills cocaine on cab driver

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:04:48am

Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Here’s the full quote:

“So when we have a threat, whether it is ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranians, whatever it is, we make it very clear that we plan to push back and destroy that threat to us. And we won’t take 10 years doing it, we hopefully won’t even take 10 months, it will be like a 10 day exercise, because the fierceness of our forces would mean that we can absolutely guarantee the outcome of this film. That’s how America needs to operate in the world of foreign affairs, and foreign policy.”

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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:05:28am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:05:50am

re: #432 lawhawk

Film?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:06:17am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

10 Days? Seriously Mike I knew you were stupid and I know you think your supporters are even more stupid but it wouldn’t take ten days. You want to know how hard it is to defeat a country, maybe you should talke to your gay hating pal Vladdy about how hard Afghanistan was for the Soviets. And yeah that’s right up there with number 2 Santorum’s whopper that we need to abolish the State Department and start fresh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:06:55am

re: #434 Skip Intro

Film?

Life…it’s exactly the same as in the movies…

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:07:04am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Holy fuck is he dumb. First the “fair tax” bullshit and now this masterpiece of derp.

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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:07:07am

re: #434 Skip Intro

Film?

These are people whose closest brush with counter-terrorism is sitting on their collective ass in a movieplex watching James Bond jump off buildings and shoveling popcorn into their mouths.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:07:44am

re: #434 Skip Intro

He was saying presidents can’t go back in time like in the movies, but this is what he’d do…

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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:07:51am

“I guarantee that James Bond will beat the bad guys. Vote for me.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:08:00am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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Gotta always love them anonymous “sources.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:08:25am

re: #440 iossarian

“I guarantee that James Bond will beat the bad guys. Vote for me.”

Great we’re outsourcing our counter-ops ot the Brits.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:08:43am

re: #441 Targetpractice

Gotta always love them anonymous “sources.”

It was probably Sandy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:09:48am

LOL the trending hashtag is #SanBernadino not #SanBernardino

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:10:11am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Here’s the full quote:

Two of those days are the beginning and ending flower-girl ceremonies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:10:21am

re: #405 lawhawk

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Carson isn’t. He’s ignorant about the Middle East, and the ability to spoon feed him details about any of the current conflicts there have fallen on deaf ears. He’s unworthy of any consideration for the office that he seeks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:11:55am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

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During the lies about Chuck Hagel, I think I briefly made my username Friend of Hummus. I still consider myself a strong friend of hummus so much that I’ve taken to having it for breakfast on my toast now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:11:56am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carson repeatedly calls Hamas, hummus at

I bet that makes him felafel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:12:23am
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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:12:55am

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

I try to think of the place as a “little Bernard” so I can remember how to spell it correctly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:13:02am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s something wrong with that dude. I mean outside his party of choice.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:13:15am

“no gopros have been located”

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:13:19am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

So, nuke the center of mass of the bad guys and then continue radiating outwards until you think they’re all dead. Yup. That’ll do it.

Do these people practice this level of stupid or is it instinctive, like a cat and string?

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:13:42am

re: #437 No Depression

Holy fuck is he dumb. First the “fair tax” bullshit and now this masterpiece of derp.

All answers to complex issues are simple when you are a simpleton. And it is doubly so when a simpleton is selling himself to large groups of simpletons.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:14:41am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

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With apologies to the Gershwins:

Carson says hummus
I say Hamas,
I’ve got a cat
Carson has ten llamas,
hummus, Hamas, llamas, pajamas
let’s call the whole thing off

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:17:25am

And, apparently, Carson pronounced Qatar as guitar.

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iossarian  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:17:34am

re: #445 Decatur Deb

Two of those days are the beginning and ending flower-girl ceremonies.

Also no work on the Sabbath due to profound Judeo-Christian values.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:17:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:18:45am

This is what Donald Trump really thinks of the San Bernardino shooting==>

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:19:15am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, apparently, Carson pronounced Qatar as guitar.

Baby, it’s the Qatar Man.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:19:20am

re: #422 lawhawk

And I suspect Great White Snark’s recommendation would be just like all the people listed: Don’t pull out your gun.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:20:07am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

This is what Donald Trump really thinks of the San Bernardino shooting==>

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And yet the Dems politicized this by criticizing the poor widdle NRA who would never politicize a tragedy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:20:40am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Here’s the full quote:

Well, sure! We have sufficient bombs of sufficient explosive power to flatten any place, anywhere where any of those groups currently hide. Along with 10-100 times (at least) more innocent civilians. At which point, we’d be high on the list of the most murderous nations in history, right up there with Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and Maoist China.

But hey, we’re exceptional, so I guess that makes it okay.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:21:37am
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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:21:49am

From the RWNJ reponse, I’m glad to know that no white Christian would ever walk into his work place with a gun and shoot his coworkers. No sirree bob, that kind of thing never happens.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:22:16am

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

She had a 6-month-old baby. SHE HAD A BABY.

The co-workers said he went to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and came back with a wife and that they had a baby shower at work. Another article said he met her online. If he just met her in person in the spring of 2015, how did they get married, come back to the US, have a baby and the baby is 6 months old, all within 9 or so months? Or were the years/dates messed up?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:22:44am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, apparently, Carson pronounced Qatar as guitar.

Well, it’s either that or ‘gutter’, or possibly ‘catarrh’. I hear that the former is accurate, which has made me want them to send snipers to the fight against ISIS, so we can talk about Qatar snipers.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:26:08am

re: #458 Kragar

They would have been armed, dead victims, with reports of a few of them having their hands on their weapons.

The shooters had armor. Not accurate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:26:36am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

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Okay again I just imagine Obama or really any Democrat saying this to a Jewish audience and wondering what would be said.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:26:55am

re: #468 Belafon

The shooters DID NOT have armor.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:27:04am

re: #466 BeachDem

The co-workers said he went to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and came back with a wife and that they had a baby shower at work. Another article said he met her online. If he just met her in person in the spring of 2015, how did they get married, come back to the US, have a baby and the baby is 6 months old, all within 9 or so months? Or were the years/dates messed up?

He married her two years ago as I recall.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:27:40am

re: #468 Belafon

They would have been armed, dead victims, with reports of a few of them having their hands on their weapons.

The shooters had armor.

Press conference this morning said the shooters were wearing tactical load bearing vests, but no body armor.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:28:13am

re: #470 Kent Dorfman

The shooters DID NOT have armor.

OK. Thanks. Last I heard they did.

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Emoprog Refugee  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:28:51am

re: #358 jaunte

How many hands does he have?

And what will be different about the new gun that it will keep him safe? Why are the previously purchased guns are no longer able to?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:29:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:29:37am

re: #475 The Vicious Babushka

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Taquitoah!

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:29:57am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

Okay again I just imagine Obama or really any Democrat saying this to a Jewish audience and wondering what would be said.

Democrats learned a while ago not to say those things, which is why they’re obviously anti-Semitic. //

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:30:10am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:30:25am

re: #474 Emoprog Refugee

And what will be different about the new gun that it will keep him safe? Why are the previously purchased guns are no longer able to?

Because he’s not actually serious. He just thinks he’s pissing liberals off when he’s actually wasting money that could be going towards his children.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:31:16am

re: #478 Kragar

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I thought he was too busy bemoaning that blackberry isn’t just a fruit anymore.

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Thrazidun  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:31:19am

From CNN - I am sure most have seen this by now.

cnn.com

Syed Rizwan Farook — one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre — was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook’s apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Listen all I was saying earlier, or trying to say, was that there is a pattern that follows - there is a tie to a radical group, there is a home with explosives and tons of stored ammo, so again while not definitive, common sense dictates that this is a religiously motivated terror attack. I am not exactly sure what most people here consider this to be? Just a gun nut gone wild?? I doubt he was an NRA card carrying member…. As further details emerge we will see.

Let the down-dings fly

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:32:12am

re: #478 Kragar

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All the wingnuts I’m talking to spent the better part of the last week insisting that Dear could not be a Christian terrorist and to call him such was to slag the entire religion. Now? They’re all adamant that Farook is a Muslim terrorist and to call him anything else is to deny the “truth.”

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:32:27am

The nature of our political machinery and punditry makes it quite clear where we are headed. “America’s Mayor” stated earlier today we’re stupid if we don’t see the San Bernardino shooting as terrorism.

I fully expect that the next GOP debate, and the next, and the next… to be full on fear mongering gatherings about evil Muslim refugees invading America.

No matter how reasonable some noticeable fraction of the public debate will be intended, those screaming about how we ought to be afraid of MUSLIMS! will take center stage, because they will scream louder and harder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:32:55am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:33:07am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Because he’s not actually serious. He just thinks he’s pissing liberals off when he’s actually wasting money that could be going towards his children.

The problem is, based on observed trends, the thinking he’s espousing is very popular.

It’s almost like a damn drinking game - ‘Mass shooting! I need another gun!’

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:33:11am

re: #481 Thrazidun

Let the down-dings fly

Playing the victim is never an attractive approach.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:33:36am

re: #482 Targetpractice

All the wingnuts I’m talking to spent the better part of the last week insisting that Dear could not be a Christian terrorist and to call him such was to slag the entire religion. Now? They’re all adamant that Farook is a Muslim terrorist and to call him anything else is to deny the “truth.”

It’s the double standards that piss me off. Does seem like Farook was a religious nutjob but so was Dear and Rudolph and so many others. I’m fine with calling this that but I am NOT fine with smearing an entire religion over it. Same thing with Christianity after Dear.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:34:04am

re: #485 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem is, based on observed trends, the thinking he’s espousing is very popular.

It’s almost like a damn drinking game - ‘Mass shooting! I need another gun!’

Yeah makes me glad that my own father never had a desire to gun hoard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:34:10am

re: #481 Thrazidun

Let the down-dings fly

Happy to oblige.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:34:17am

re: #481 Thrazidun

Because no white Christian man has ever stockpiled weapons and ammo and later gone after his coworkers with guns a blazing.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:34:28am

re: #482 Targetpractice

All the wingnuts I’m talking to spent the better part of the last week insisting that Dear could not be a Christian terrorist and to call him such was to slag the entire religion. Now? They’re all adamant that Farook is a Muslim terrorist and to call him anything else is to deny the “truth.”

Imagine my surprise.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:34:39am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, will that misdemeanor conviction result in a wrist slap, or just a tiny tap on the arm?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:35:07am

re: #481 Thrazidun

From CNN - I am sure most have seen this by now.

cnn.com

Listen all I was saying earlier, or trying to say, was that there is a pattern that follows - there is a tie to a radical group, there is a home with explosives and tons of stored ammo, so again while not definitive, common sense dictates that this is a religiously motivated terror attack. I am not exactly sure what most people here consider this to be? Just a gun nut gone wild?? I doubt he was an NRA card carrying member…. As further details emerge we will see.

Let the down-dings fly

For most of us, it’s been about waiting. How do we know he’s been in contact with those groups?

But it’s also this, he was a good guy owning a gun until he started shooting. The common denominator in all of these shootings are guns especially high powered guns. It shouldn’t be easy to get those guns. Will it prevent all events? No, but Paris was an anomaly in France, where it would be another mass shooting here.

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:35:40am

re: #481 Thrazidun

… common sense dictates that this is a religiously motivated terror attack.

Common sense would dictate that a religiously motivated terror attack actually demonstrate some evidence of explicit religiosity during said attack.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:36:27am

re: #494 freetoken

Common sense would dictate that a religiously motivated terror attack actually demonstrate some evidence of explicit religiosity during said attack.

This is double-secret jihad. /

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:38:24am

re: #488 HappyWarrior

Yeah makes me glad that my own father never had a desire to gun hoard.

As has been implied in many, many, posts. One gun or fifty, it’s all the same. You can defend yourself with one at a time and you gun locker or (most likely) cupboard selection isn’t going to be of use IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIREFIGHT.

Hitting triangle on your game controller is not going to let you switch from primary to secondary to heavy IRL.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:39:49am

re: #496 Bird in the Paw

As has been implied in many, many, posts. One gun or fifty, it’s all the same. You can defend yourself with one at a time and you gun locker or (most likely) cupboard selection isn’t going to be of use IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIREFIGHT.

It’s honestly reminding me of the people who buy tons and tons of shoes or cars except it’s more reckless since cars aren’t killing machines and shoes especially aren’t. I guess we all hoard in our own ways but me hoarding music is different from Gunny McGunnut having a mini Fort Knox.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:40:24am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Because he’s not actually serious. He just thinks he’s pissing liberals off when he’s actually wasting money that could be going towards his children.

Or just talking out of his ass and lying - to piss of liberals, as you said.

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b_sharp  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:42:03am

I found out today that as a Canadian I’m not allowed to comment on the obvious gun violence problem the US has.

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Lidane  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:43:29am

re: #432 lawhawk

10 days? The only way that would be possible is if we nuked everybody involved.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:44:01am

re: #498 makeitstop

Or just talking out of his ass and lying - to piss of liberals, as you said.

Yeah.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:44:29am

Rubio has a *plan* to replace Obamacare

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:44:36am

re: #481 Thrazidun

Name one of the law enforcement officials that stated he was radicalized. Just one name. Come on. You can do it.re: #500 Lidane

10 days? The only way that would be possible is if we nuked everybody involved.

Or everyone that wasn’t the right kind of White Christian Male.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:44:39am

re: #499 b_sharp

I found out today that as a Canadian I’m not allowed to comment on the obvious gun violence problem the US has.

Well there is one Canadian I wish would shut up about it ain’t you Sharp.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:45:02am

re: #457 iossarian

Also no work on the Sabbath due to profound Judeo-Christian values.

Which day? Saturday or Sunday?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:45:54am

re: #505 BeachDem

Which day? Saturday or Sunday?

Clearly Sunday, duh. Saturday would be those Jewish folks and Christians only pay lip-service to the whole “Judeo-Christian” thing as required.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:45:57am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Here’s the full quote:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:46:14am

re: #502 Kragar

Rubio has a *plan* to replace Obamacare

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I guess Marco’s mad because ACA doesn’t cover being an asshole as a pre-existing condition.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:46:36am

re: #502 Kragar

Ryan has a plan too - an individual tax credit should be in the ACA replacement. Quoting Ryan here: “We think government should encourage personal responsibility, not replace it.”

That’s exactly what the individual mandate is all about you numbnut. The GOP, and Heritage, touted the individual mandate as encouraging personal responsibility.

Curiously, the GOP doesn’t take any responsibility when it comes to that…

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b_sharp  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:47:02am

I’ve been told that if you remove the drug related gun deaths in the US, the average US citizen is as unlikely to experience gun violence as the average Canadian.

That presupposes most gun murders are drug related, something I was unable to verify and that Canada doesn’t also have gun murders related to drugs.

It also kind of destroys the idea Americans have to have guns for self protection.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:47:06am

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:47:35am

re: #503 GlutenFreeJesus

Israel would be a collateral damage under that scenario, especially given the close proximity of Israel to those who Huckabee would deem targeted.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:47:41am

re: #509 lawhawk

Ryan has a plan too - an individual tax credit should be in the ACA replacement. Quoting Ryan here: “We think government should encourage personal responsibility, not replace it.”

That’s exactly what the individual mandate is all about you numbnut. The GOP, and Heritage, touted the individual mandate as encouraging personal responsibility.

Curiously, the GOP doesn’t take any responsibility when it comes to that…

I’ve never actually seen the GOP take actual personal responsibility. I see them tell other people to take it but after seeing how long David Vitter lasted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:48:09am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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Indict them for what, Dana? Thought crimes?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:48:16am

re: #512 lawhawk

Israel would be a collateral damage under that scenario, especially given the close proximity of Israel to those who Huckabee would deem targeted.

HURR HURR THEN JEEZUS WILL APPEAR!!!!!1!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:48:45am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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What’s she bitching about now? I was able to read the word salad earlier but this I cannot.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:00am

re: #481 Thrazidun

From CNN - I am sure most have seen this by now.

cnn.com

Listen all I was saying earlier, or trying to say, was that there is a pattern that follows - there is a tie to a radical group, there is a home with explosives and tons of stored ammo, so again while not definitive, common sense dictates that this is a religiously motivated terror attack. I am not exactly sure what most people here consider this to be? Just a gun nut gone wild?? I doubt he was an NRA card carrying member…. As further details emerge we will see.

Let the down-dings fly

The temptation to go that way is obvious. But if you look at a Facebook page that his been now created in his name that has dozens and dozens of comments not just about Syed Farook, but about all Muslims in America (or the world) in some of the worst language imaginable, you can see how painting it as “Islamic terror” contributes now to a genuinely unsafe environment toward Muslims in America. No one is going to go around shooting 50-ish white Christians because of what Dear did at PP, but we’ll likely see attacks escalate against Muslims and mosques. Or, at least, that is my great fear.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:09am

re: #512 lawhawk

Israel would be a collateral damage under that scenario, especially given the close proximity of Israel to those who Huckabee would deem targeted.

Well, if they hadn’t converted yet, maybe this would be the fire to which the returning Jesus consigns the Jews in Revelation.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:13am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:28am

I actually have a friend whose on the watch list. He happens to share his name with some Scottish terorrist. Small times like these I’m grateful that my last name is uncommon.

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b_sharp  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:29am

re: #514 Blind Frog Belly White

Indict them for what, Dana? Thought crimes?

That would put a lot of conservatives in jail.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:49:56am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

Considering how easy it would be to get Dana on that list, she should probably watch what she says.

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Emoprog Refugee  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:50:16am

re: #481 Thrazidun

Listen all I was saying earlier, or trying to say, was that there is a pattern that follows - there is a tie to a radical group, there is a home with explosives and tons of stored ammo, so again while not definitive, common sense dictates that this is a religiously motivated terror attack. I am not exactly sure what most people here consider this to be? Just a gun nut gone wild?? I doubt he was an NRA card carrying member…. As further details emerge we will see.

A few years back, a house in our neighborhood basically exploded. The nice Mormon family that lived there was stockpiling ammo and propane in the basement — not the most awesome of combinations as far as the fire department was concerned. The family was not religiously attacking the neighborhood in allowing their home to explode. They were just preparing for, … well, I dunno what they were preparing for. NO ONE considered them extremists. They considered them to be imprudent in their storage methods. People happily contributed to help them rebuild their home. They did admonish them to please stockpile their ammo and propane separately, and not to store propane indoors at all, but no one leapt from the combo of devout Mormon + thousands of rounds of ammo + lots of propane to the “religiously motivated terror attack” conclusion. Unless and until evidence is presented to demonstrate that intent, I refuse to do so in this instance, either. It looks, for now, and to me, like disgruntled worker goes “postal,” certainly not something unprecedented.

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:50:46am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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HURR HURR HE WON’T DO IT CUZ HE’S ON TEH TOP OF TEH LIST!!1!!!!!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:51:19am

re: #512 lawhawk

Much like female biology, wingnuts don’t understand how nuclear weapons work and that their damage is, for all practical purposes, permanent. It’s not like rebuilding after a fire or even like Europe after WWII. In other words, he’s dumber than a sack of hammers and nowhere near as useful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:53:00am

Every last bullet was completely legal, Dana.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:53:22am

re: #509 lawhawk

Ryan has a plan too - an individual tax credit should be in the ACA replacement. Quoting Ryan here: “We think government should encourage personal responsibility, not replace it.”

That’s exactly what the individual mandate is all about you numbnut. The GOP, and Heritage, touted the individual mandate as encouraging personal responsibility.

Curiously, the GOP doesn’t take any responsibility when it comes to that…

But isn’t the GOP going to abolish the IRS?

Where’s the tax credit gonna come from? Out of Ryan’s ass, I suspect.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:54:55am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:55:37am

re: #526 The Vicious Babushka

Every last bullet was completely legal, Dana.

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After Sandy Hook, when I pointed out that all of the firearms Lanza used were purchased legally, some wingnut said, “Yeah, but he stole them from his mother, so they weren’t legally obtained!”

What a slender fucking reed to cling to.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:55:37am

re: #523 Emoprog Refugee

Our friend here could say exactly the same thing about Dear, Army of God admirer, in Colorado Springs. Seems he’d been identifying with AoG for some time. And yet, nothing much has been said about that. Interesting contrasts…..

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:55:41am

re: #471 Skip Intro

He married her two years ago as I recall.

Ah—the LA Times article said, “Farook recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife he had met online.”

I guess I didn’t think of two years ago as “recently.”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:56:51am

re: #284 Dr. Matt

Convicted Felon Bernie Kerik Chimes In:

“Completely out of the area”? Didn’t they get them a couple/few miles down the road? Not like they hit I-10 and were 40 miles down the road.

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:57:54am

re: #524 No Depression

HURR HURR HE WON’T DO IT CUZ HE’S ON TEH TOP OF TEH LIST!!1!!!!!

That seemed to be kinda prevalent in MoGunz’s timeline. I would need serious drugs to reach their levels of delusion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:58:04am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:58:04am

re: #529 Blind Frog Belly White

After Sandy Hook, when I pointed out that all of the firearms Lanza used were purchased legally, some wingnut said, “Yeah, but he stole them from his mother, so they weren’t legally obtained!”

What a slender fucking reed to cling to.

They love to go on and on about how gun violence happens in D.C and C.C has STRICTEST GUN LAWS in the nation. Well I can tell you this. There are literally parts of D.C where you can walk to from here in Virginia within minutes and Virginia does not have strict gun laws. Our states aren’t little isolated fiefdoms. Exempting Alaska and Hawaii, they all border each other in some way.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:58:13am

re: #286 darthstar

Speaking of violating the #2A rights of some asshole…

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Baby Huey gone bad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:58:30am

re: #528 lawhawk

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It occurred to me that EVEN IF this were an ISIS-directed attack, it’s STILL only the SECOND WORST mass shooting in the US. We do worse to ourselves than this routinely. In Paris, it was clear pretty quickly that it was a terrorist attack because it was so out of the ordinary. Here? We have so many mass shootings that we have lots of other possibilities.

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:59:24am

re: #534 The Vicious Babushka

3000 rounds. Freedom!

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:59:45am
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:00:10am

ALEX JONES: Yeah, I’m here to tell you — and by false flag, that means they could have known he was going to do it and let him do it and then they cover up —

BIGGS: Yup.

JONES: — that it’s Islamic, turn it around and blame the second amendment and George Washington, instead of the very people that are doing this, mentally ill crossdresser liberals and crazy Jihadis, I mean these are the constituents —

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:00:19am

re: #539 jaunte

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Alex Jones thinks everyone but Donald Trump is a false flag.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:00:40am

BIGGS: The SWAT team was already geared up. The SWAT team was already geared up and there within seconds. They were geared up and ready within seconds. They knew that this was going to happen.

JONES: Well notice it’s a Democrat controlled state and they want to demonize the Second Amendment.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:01:12am

re: #540 jaunte

ALEX JONES: Yeah, I’m here to tell you — and by false flag, that means they could have known he was going to do it and let him do it and then they cover up —

BIGGS: Yup.

JONES: — that it’s Islamic, turn it around and blame the second amendment and George Washington, instead of the very people that are doing this, mentally ill crossdresser liberals and crazy Jihadis, I mean these are the constituents —

I bet Alex’s psychiatrist gets good money to look for crossdressing liberals in Alex’s bedroom.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:01:17am

re: #540 jaunte

George Washington did it!!!

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:01:47am

re: #544 Belafon

He had a go-pro hidden in his teeth.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:02:51am

re: #542 jaunte

BIGGS: The SWAT team was already geared up. The SWAT team was already geared up and there within seconds. They were geared up and ready within seconds. They knew that this was going to happen.

JONES: Well notice it’s a Democrat controlled state and they want to demonize the Second Amendment.

San Bernandino has a Republican mayor and in fact until Obama was a pretty Republican county on a presidential level. It’s definitely not some liberal place. Alex is drinking battery acid again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:03:12am

re: #490 Kragar

Because no white Christian man has ever stockpiled weapons and ammo and later gone after his coworkers with guns a blazing.
/

Those are just cases of mental illness.

/

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ChuckJager95  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:03:23am

Of the 352 mass shootings so far this year, I can only find two carried out by Muslims even after wading through some violently anti-Islam websites. I just wish our Librul Media would ask the GOP candidates why they only have real hot takes on just those two. And hammer them on it.

I’ll be over here in the corner holding my breath.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:05:19am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Okay, that one requires a jaw drop, because that’s easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Here’s the full quote:

Here’s some numbers for stupid, dangerous Mr. Motherfuckerbee.

One million men.
Two trillion dollars.
Fifteen years of occupation.

Those are my personal, based-on-absolutely-no-degreed-expertise estimated minimum requirements for surrounding Syria and eliminating ISIS entirely, with a stable country left behind. I’m basing this on how long it takes us to accomplish anything, how much we historically fuck stuff up, and how much blood and treasure we’ve dumped into the Middle East since fall of 2001.

Notice these numbers do not count collateral effects, “blowback”, air and naval support, political and economic and social costs, or.. *ahem* the effects of blowing the place to hell on the captive and remaining Syrian population.

It’s moot anyway. Huckabee is a Dominionist psychopath who belongs up in the hills in tribal Nowherestan where he can stone women and try to bring about the kingdom of his god at his own pace. Anybody who wants to turn the country into a theological monarchy needs to be kept the fuck away from any and all executive decisions.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:06:10am

re: #534 The Vicious Babushka

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Cargo shorts and a sweatshirt is tacitcal and military style?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:06:23am

I read a disability blog called The Mighty,mostly via their Facebook page. Understandably many parents were scared and upset because of the location of this shooting. It was less than 15 minutes before the first “false flag!!!” post showed up. I sometimes wonder if people get paid by the post to so that shit.

On Gabby Gifford’s page this morning someone called her a “lying ****”, because of course they did.

We need to grow the fuck up as a nation. It’s like a giant fucking high school with lots of guns.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:06:38am

re: #538 Jenner7

3000 rounds. Freedom!

It is astonishingly easy, and cheap, to obtain thousands of rounds of ammunition. I know this from personal experience. It’s also easy, if you do much practice shooting, to go through 1000 rounds pretty quickly. A box of 20 rounds, even with slow, methodical practice, lasts only about 10 minutes.

This is one of the problems with the easy availability of guns in America - among American gun owners, having that many rounds of ammo is not that remarkable.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:06:55am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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She forgot to add the “brown” in front of people…because god knows that if they started indicting oathkeepers, she’d freak out.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:06:56am

re: #515 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR THEN JEEZUS WILL APPEAR!!!!!1!!!!

My sister will save all the Jewishes, because, if I understand their fever dreams correctly, ALL Jews must go to Israel and either convert or die, and my sister refuses to even get a passport, so she is NOT going. Heh. Take THAT, Michele Bachmann!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:07:07am

re: #548 ChuckJager95

Of the 352 mass shootings so far this year, I can only find two carried out by Muslims even after wading through some violently anti-Islam websites. I just wish our Librul Media would ask the GOP candidates why they only have real hot takes on just those two. And hammer them on it.

I’ll be over here in the corner holding my breath.

355 mass shootings this year.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:08:03am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

Well look here Dana, you can’t indict people unless they have committed, you know, an actual crime.

Go look it up in your handy pocket Constitution, or does yours only contain the 2A?

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Also, too, Dana—doing what you are suggesting would be an example of Obama being an actual dictator, as opposed to the made up bullshit in your fevered brain.

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blueraven  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:08:19am

It is pretty obvious by the amount of weapons and ammo, this couple had been planning something for a while. What motivated them is still not clear. Perhaps a mixture of ideology aggravated by a sense of grievance in the workplace.

We will need to wait and see if they had contact with terrorist cells.

I really wish this could be discussed rationally by our political leaders, but that aint happening.

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BeachDem  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:10:25am

re: #520 HappyWarrior

I actually have a friend whose on the watch list. He happens to share his name with some Scottish terorrist. Small times like these I’m grateful that my last name is uncommon.

My BIL was on it as well—never figured out who shared his name. Couldn’t check in online, couldn’t do curbside checkin, always pulled aside at checkpoints. His namesake must have been taken off, as the BIL no longer gets hassled.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:14:21am

re: #84 Dr. Matt

Because the 2A is sacred and holy.

Only part of it is. There are a couple of pretty important words in it that seem to be a whole lot less sacrosanct. “Well-regulated? Well golly, we can’t possibly figure out what such big words mean. Best play it safe and pretend they don’t exist.”

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:19:42am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes! Looks like Reid has run out of fucks to give since he isn’t running this next election.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:20:22am

re: #534 The Vicious Babushka

They sound like perfectly respectable gun owners, just like Erick the Erick.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:08:37pm

re: #507 FormerDirtDart

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On my first day of fighting. the army gave to me…
A trunk full of Russian RPG’s.

On the second day of fighting, the army gave to me…
2 M-16’s and a trunk full of Russian RPG’s.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:33:26pm

re: #296 Dr. Matt

I’ll see your “really irresponsible rhetoric” and raise you this:

Arpaio calls on 250K armed citizens to stop terrorism and mass shootings

I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:39:50pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

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That bill the Dems were pushing is unconstitutional and so Republicans are right to block it.

Dark you are part of the problem.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:29:00pm

re: #499 b_sharp

I found out today that as a Canadian I’m not allowed to comment on the obvious gun violence problem the US has.

It violates the Status of Farces Agreement.


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