San Bernardino Shooting Update: FBI Investigating Possible Terrorism Link

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There’s still no solid evidence of terrorism in the San Bernardino shooting attacks, but according to the LA Times the FBI believes the suspects may have been in contact with known extremists.

Federal officials widened their probe Thursday into a possible terrorist motivation for Wednesday’s San Bernardino shooting rampage, sorting through computer records, tracking the travels of the shooting suspects and interviewing others the two spoke to in recent days.

A senior federal government official said agents believe suspect Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, was in contact with a small number of people authorities suspect are extremists. The official said agents have picked up indications he “communicated” with at least one individual that U.S. law enforcement officials were monitoring as a potential terrorism suspect.

The official, briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak publicly, said agents believe Farook’s connection to a potential terrorism suspect in this country might be someone he knew only tangentially.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:36:53pm

Could the Times have put any more weasel words in that?

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:40:08pm

Is it just me who thinks it is beyond stupid to report this because the people he may have been in contact with now know that they are being watched?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:43:58pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:49:15pm

how soon before president trump calls for liberals to “restrain your anti-american rhetoric or i won’t be able to protect you anymore”??

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:50:56pm

re: Charles Johnson

I am an atheist, and I would not “prayer shame” anyone.

But has been noted elsewhere, Reverend Martin Luther King prayed on the issues of civil rights.

Then he went out and did something about it.

The alleged “shaming” on the Internet has nothing to do with the prayers offered by Republican politicians themselves. It has to do with their inaction in the face of a national crisis when they were elected to do something.

We have priests and pastors to offer up prayers. We have politicians to wrestle with political issues.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:51:00pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

They are as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:51:32pm


How Jeb can save the GOP from Trump

in times of despair, people indulge in wild fantasies of salvation

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Teukka  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:51:54pm

re: #6 Nyet

They are as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Yep. If you do all the things, but do it not for love, you have gained nothing.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:52:23pm

Police press conference now going on…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:53:58pm

Chucky just posted a defense of George Zimmerman, as I knew he would.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:56:26pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Police press conference now going on…

Not watching. Trusting LGF for updates.

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CleverToad  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:00:23pm

Have heard this described as an African proverb; don’t know the source but approve the advice: “When you pray, move your feet.”

Just asking the self-proclaimed ‘Christians’ in power to add works to their faith. It’s in the Book.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:00:34pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:02:00pm

re: #12 CleverToad

Have heard this described as an African proverb; don’t know the source but approve the advice: “When you pray, move your feet.”

Just asking the self-proclaimed ‘Christians’ in power to add works to their faith. It’s in the Book.

Their “works” is the prosperity gospel filling their bank accounts with NRA-supplied dollars.

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ipsos  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:03:34pm

This day has just taken all the piss and vinegar out of me. I still want to believe my fellow Americans are good, decent people, but…damn, it’s getting hard to keep telling myself that the loudmouths on FB and Twitter are just a very loud minority.

Time for some fine Irish whiskey (I’m partial to an obscure brand called Green Spot, which is well worth buying if you can ever find it) and bed. Maybe tomorrow will be brighter?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:03:51pm

re: #1 Anymouse

Could the Times have put any more weasel words in that?

It is perhaps possible that they might have found just a few more qualifiers that could, if used properly, have conveyed just a small amount of added uncertainty, if read correctly.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:04:53pm

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

It is perhaps possible that they might have found just a few more qualifiers that could, if used properly, have conveyed just a small amount of added uncertainty, if read correctly.

No one can say for sure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:06:23pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Oh, well then. That’s all I needed to hear.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:07:21pm

As a life-long word nerd, I always get a twinge of irritation when someone describes events like the San Bernardino attacks as “tragedy.” Because the classical definition of tragedy is a story in which the eventual victim brings about his or her own downfall, through hubris or arrogance or egomania or plain bad luck.

I realize “tragedy” has turned into a synonym for “atrocity,” but when people use it to describe an event like San Bernardino it just feels wrong to me because those people did NOT bring this on themselves.

My name is Charles and I’m a word nerd.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:10:15pm

re: #5 Anymouse

I am an atheist, and I would not “prayer shame” anyone.

But has been noted elsewhere, Reverend Martin Luther King prayed on the issues of civil rights.

Then he went out and did something about it.

THIS. To paraphrase a hadith: Trust in God, but tie your camel.

One day Allah’s Messenger (s.a.w.s.) noticed a bedouin leaving his camel without tying it. He asked the bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?” The bedouin answered, “I placed my trust in Allah.” At that, the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said, “Tie your camel and place your trust in Allah”
—Tirmidhi

And welcome, hatchling. It’s always nice to see someone new (who’s not a troll) jump fearlessly into the fray with a good sense of humor.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:11:05pm

re: #16 Blind Frog Belly White

It is perhaps possible that they might have found just a few more qualifiers that could, if used properly, have conveyed just a small amount of added uncertainty, if read correctly.

Written like a proper scientist. I approve.

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:00pm

I will find it not surprising if one of the people involved in the San Bernardino massacre had somehow seen/studied/interacted with violent extremists, who may have self-identified under the “Muslim” banner.

You know what else does not surprise me? That in a world of a billion Muslims there are only the rare instances of so-called Muslim extremists who have attacked the US.

That’s because, contrary to the held-deep-in-the-bones meme embraced by the American hate-right - that Islam is an inherently evil and violent religion - pretty much every self-identifying Muslim is not a terrorist-in-waiting.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:12pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

As a life-long word nerd, I always get a twinge of irritation when someone describes events like the San Bernardino attacks as “tragedy.” Because the classical definition of tragedy is a story in which the eventual victim brings about his or her own downfall, through hubris or arrogance or egomania or plain bad luck.

I realize “tragedy” has turned into a synonym for “atrocity,” but when people use it to describe an event like San Bernardino it just feels wrong to me because those people did NOT bring this on themselves.

My name is Charles and I’m a word nerd.

When I am not wearing my village trustee hat, my disabled vet hat, or my flag committee chair hat, I wear my erotic Romance novel editor hat. (How did I get elected to anything in this state?)

As Goodreads attributes to Ian Fleming: “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:15:45pm

re: #21 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Written like a proper scientist. I approve.

It was, perhaps, something that, at the time, seemed to be called for.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:16:51pm
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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:19:19pm
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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:20:33pm

Broken record that I am, here I will raise once again what I think is underlying the receptive ground of the anti-Muslim fear mongering: the loss of one’s belief system.

This is why today’s We’re-The-Real-Victims program is about “prayer shaming.”

In reality - and that is not something with which the hyper-religious in this country are known for being able to discuss objectively - our modern world has pretty much set aside the Magickal God of the fundamentalists (of any stripe.)

And even if they won’t admit it, they (the very religious self-identifying Christians in this country) know that the people around them not part of their little party really are not buying the old schtick any more.

And this frightens them.

Because in the end, beliefs are malleable. We believe whatever we need to, at any given time. And what other people believe affects us and our beliefs.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:21:36pm

re: #20 CuriousLurker

THIS. To paraphrase a hadith: Trust in God, but tie your camel.

And welcome, hatchling. It’s always nice to see someone new (who’s not a troll) jump in fearlessly into the fray with a good sense of humor.

Fifty-five year old hatchling. Aw, shucks, thanks.

Too bad the VA doesn’t think so much of my youthful vigour: I have to go to the VA in a couple days to have my heart looked at (EKG indicated a failing atrium).

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:25:43pm

I really, really hope that this doesn’t turn out to be a case of Farook somehow being radicalized by his new wife. If that were the case it would put three groups who I absolutely detest into absolute overdrive - those being the Islamophobes, the misogynist “men’s rights” advocates, and the anti-immigration crowd- a near-perfect storm of bigotry.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:29:46pm

re: #29 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I could believe it if the Saudi part is right.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:13pm

re: #29 Bill and Opus for 2016!

She was driving.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:30pm
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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:32:43pm

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:33:17pm

re: #28 Anymouse

Fifty-five year old hatchling. Aw, shucks, thanks.

Too bad the VA doesn’t think so much of my youthful vigour: I have to go to the VA in a couple days to have my heart looked at (EKG indicated a failing atrium).

Yikes, I hope it turns out to be a false alarm. If not, then I hope it’s something (relatively) easily fixable.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:33:19pm

New York Daily News keeps it real.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:33:46pm

re: #27 freetoken

Broken record that I am, here I will raise once again what I think is underlying the receptive ground of the anti-Muslim fear mongering: the loss of one’s belief system.

This is why today’s We’re-The-Real-Victims program is about “prayer shaming.”

In reality - and that is not something with which the hyper-religious in this country are known for being able to discuss objectively - our modern world has pretty much set aside the Magickal God of the fundamentalists (of any stripe.)

And even if they won’t admit it, they (the very religious self-identifying Christians in this country) know that the people around them not part of their little party really are not buying the old schtick any more.

And this frightens them.

Because in the end, beliefs are malleable. We believe whatever we need to, at any given time. And what other people believe affects us and our beliefs.

There’s also the very real problem, especially for the less educated folks, that their belief system - that they are Good People, who will receive rewards because they deserve it - is failing to yield what it promised. Josh Marshal, writing the other day about the increased mortality seen ONLY among middle-aged, less educated American whites, thinks it’s linked to the loss of white privilege, which most strongly impacts those who needed it most - those with less education.

It used to be there were lots of well-paying jobs that didn’t require a degree, and white folks were always the first to get those. As those jobs disappear, they find themselves competing for shittier jobs with people they didn’t used to have to compete with.

When you’re raised to believe that things are better for you because you deserve better things, and then you lose those things, you have to either change your whole worldview, or find someone who’s stealing away what you deserve.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:35:09pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

New York Daily News keeps it real.

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LOL, oh man. I think I hear wingnut heads exploding…

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:35:32pm

re: CuriousLurker

Yikes, I hope it turns out to be a false alarm. If not, then I hope it’s something (relatively) easily fixable.

Well, as my wife (Head Cynic of her Website listed in my profile) notes, I am “pre-dead.” (She uses the rhetoric of forced-birthers to describe being alive.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:35:43pm

re: #33 No Depression

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unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:36:32pm

Leaving behind baby, couple launched deadliest U.S. assault in years
A domestic abuse angle (near end of article):

Public records suggest possible turbulence in Farook’s younger life. In 2006, Rafia Farook, who records indicate is his mother, filed in a Riverside court for divorce from her husband, also named Syed Farook.

She listed multiple instances of domestic abuse in the legal filing, and said her husband “threatens to kill himself on a daily basis.” During one incident, she said in a court filing, her son came between them “to save me.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:39:32pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

It used to be there were lots of well-paying jobs that didn’t require a degree, and white folks were always the first to get those. As those jobs disappear, they find themselves competing for shittier jobs with people they didn’t used to have to compete with.

When you’re raised to believe that things are better for you because you deserve better things, and then you lose those things, you have to either change your whole worldview, or find someone who’s stealing away what you deserve.

And it’s only going to get worse….

Humans Need Not Apply

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:40:52pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder if it’s also the constant hate bubble some of them live in thanks to Fox News, etc. Non stop anger can’t be good for the heart.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:40:59pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

As a life-long word nerd, I always get a twinge of irritation when someone describes events like the San Bernardino attacks as “tragedy.” Because the classical definition of tragedy is a story in which the eventual victim brings about his or her own downfall, through hubris or arrogance or egomania or plain bad luck.

I realize “tragedy” has turned into a synonym for “atrocity,” but when people use it to describe an event like San Bernardino it just feels wrong to me because those people did NOT bring this on themselves.

My name is Charles and I’m a word nerd.

Hi, Charles!

*waves*

///

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:43:33pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:30pm

re: #33 No Depression

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:33pm

re: #31 Kent Dorfman

She was driving.

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Since she was able to wait until turning 25 to get married, as opposed to the sects who marry off their daughters at MUCH younger ages, and was able to drive and was educated, I have to guess that her family upbringing wasn’t of one that more fundamentalist sects practice.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:45pm

re: #27 freetoken

Broken record that I am, here I will raise once again what I think is underlying the receptive ground of the anti-Muslim fear mongering: the loss of one’s belief system.

This is why today’s We’re-The-Real-Victims program is about “prayer shaming.”

In reality - and that is not something with which the hyper-religious in this country are known for being able to discuss objectively - our modern world has pretty much set aside the Magickal God of the fundamentalists (of any stripe.)

And even if they won’t admit it, they (the very religious self-identifying Christians in this country) know that the people around them not part of their little party really are not buying the old schtick any more.

And this frightens them.

Because in the end, beliefs are malleable. We believe whatever we need to, at any given time. And what other people believe affects us and our beliefs.

Because it means a loss of power, control, and social prestige.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:49pm

re: #23 Anymouse

When I am not wearing my village trustee hat, my disabled vet hat, or my flag committee chair hat, I wear my erotic Romance novel editor hat. (How did I get elected to anything in this state?)

As Goodreads attributes to Ian Fleming: “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

There is also Arlo’s wordier version of the same sentiment:

… you may be in a similar situation, and if you’re in a
Situation like that there’s only one thing you can do and that’s walk into
The shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say “Shrink, You can get
Anything you want, at Alice’s restaurant.”. And walk out. You know, if
One person, just one person does it they may think he’s really sick and
They won’t take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
They may think they’re both faggots and they won’t take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
Singin a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walking out. They may think it’s an
Organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said
Fifty people a day walking in singing a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and
Walking out. And friends, they may think it’s a movement.

Read more: Arlo Guthrie - Alice’s Restaurant Lyrics | MetroLyrics

And by the way, welcome to the club.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:44:52pm

re: #33 No Depression

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I heard that term plenty when I was in the Navy. and made very loud points opposing it.

I didn’t have much effect until I was in charge of my own shop; then I had the power to squelch racist language.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:46:17pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

I was going to watch tv, but now I can’t stop watching Weird Al. Amish paradise!!!

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:46:49pm

re: #38 Anymouse

Well, as my wife (Head Cynic of her Website listed in my profile) notes, I am “pre-dead.” (She uses the rhetoric of forced-birthers to describe being alive.)

Aren’t we all?

Like Paul Newman said in Hud, no one gets out of life alive.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:00pm

re: #44 No Depression

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:47:51pm

re: #28 Anymouse

Fifty-five year old hatchling. Aw, shucks, thanks.

Too bad the VA doesn’t think so much of my youthful vigour: I have to go to the VA in a couple days to have my heart looked at (EKG indicated a failing atrium).

Good luck!

I was going to make a lame joke about calling in some contractors to build a scaffolding to shore up the atrium till it’s repaired, but I figure I’ll wait until you’ve been around a while longer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:13pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it’s also the constant hate bubble some of them live in thanks to Fox News, etc. Non stop anger can’t be good for the heart.

The chicken or the egg? I think the folks who live in the Fox News bubble were probably always susceptible to that kind of thing.

There’s the study - I make no claims about its validity - that found self-identified Conservatives had overdeveloped amygdalae compared to Liberals, who in turn had relatively overdeveloped Anterior Cingulate Gyri. Conservatives tend to value belief and certainty above knowledge and accuracy, they tend do view things simplistically - either/or, black/white, good/evil - and believe in simple solutions to all problems.

When they’re fearful, which they often are, they want to be told there’s a simple answer that involves Bad People Being Punished, hence their love of all things military, of guns, and of blowhards.

They want to hear that all Muslims are bad, and all we need do is expel all of them and bomb the living shit out of them and all the violence will stop.

They don’t want to hear that it’s only a very few who are violent and that we can work with the others to isolate the violent one and take away their support system and they’ll diminish, but probably never go away.

So, again, which came first? The Bubble, or the people who want to live in it?

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:17pm

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good luck!

I was going to make a lame joke about calling in some contractors to build a scaffolding to shore up the atrium till it’s repaired, but I figure I’ll wait until you’ve been around a while longer.

Uhhhh…

/

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:50:48pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:51:33pm

Evening again, Lizardim.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:51:34pm

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good luck!

I was going to make a lame joke about calling in some contractors to build a scaffolding to shore up the atrium till it’s repaired, but I figure I’ll wait until you’ve been around a while longer.

The atrium on our village hall is covered in scaffolding now (it is being rebuilt).

As for a lame joke about scaffolding, I’m all in on lame jokes. Since all I have to do is sit around on the High Plains and sweat that which I cannot do anything about until my appointment in another week, I’ll take all the humour I can get.

My mother was just in the hospital for a heart attack, my brother-in-law had bypass surgery after a heart attack, I could really use some humour. Fire away, lizards. I can take it, honest.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:51:49pm

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:53:09pm

re: #59 darthstar

(((Darth)))

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:53:59pm

re: #51 TedStriker

Like Paul Newman said in Hud, no one gets out of life alive.

I much prefer Benny Hill’s quote:

Live every day like it’s your last-someday, you’ll be right!

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scottslemmons  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:19pm

re: #59 darthstar

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

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Many sympathies. :(

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:26pm

re: #59 darthstar

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

[Embedded content]

{{{darthstar}}}

Losing an animal companion is hard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:54:57pm

re: #61 Eric The Fruit Bat

I much prefer Benny Hill’s quote:

“Everybody dies.”

“Yes, but usually just the once, and at the END of your life.”

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:55:10pm

re: #58 Anymouse

Ole lived across the Minnesota River from Clarence Bunsen, whom he didn’t like at all. They were yelling across the river at each other all the time.

Ole would yell to Clarence, “If I had a vay to cross dis river, I’d come ofver dere an beat you up good, yeah sure ya betcha by golly!”

This went on for years. Finally, the state built a bridge across the river right there by their houses.

Ole’s wife, Lena, says, “Now iss yer chance, Ole. Vhy doncha go over dere and beat up dat Clarence like you said you vud?”

Ole replied, “OK, by yimminy, I tink I vill do yust dat!” Ole started for the bridge, but he saw a sign on the bridge and stopped to read it, then turned around and came back home.

Lena asked, “Vhy did you come back?”

Ole said, ” Lena, I tink I changed my mind ‘bout beatin’ up dat Clarence. You know, vhen I yell at him from across da river he don’t look so big. But dey put a sign on da bridge dat says “Clarence is 13 ft. 6 In.”

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:55:16pm

re: #46 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Since she was able to wait until turning 25 to get married, as opposed to the sects who marry off their daughters at MUCH younger ages, and was able to drive and was educated, I have to guess that her family upbringing wasn’t of one that more fundamentalist sects practice.

She could’ve learned to drive after arriving in the U.S.

Saudi Arabia is extremely conservative, but it also has a very high literacy rate:

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 94.7%
male: 97%
female: 91.1% (2015 est.)

cia.gov

In any event, education really doesn’t really have anything to do with whether or not someone tends towards extremism.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:55:16pm

A WHITE WOMAN HAD TO BE EXPLOITED BEFORE TWITTER SUSPENDED GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S ACCOUNT

If the woman did not give Zimmerman permission to post those photos of her, then he will have violated Florida’s Sexual Cyberharassment law. Perhaps this will finally lead to him serving some time in jail.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:56:22pm

re: #58 Anymouse

Several men are in the locker room of a golf club. A cellular phone on a bench rings and a man engages the hands-free speaker function and begins to talk. Everyone else in the room stops to listen.

MAN: “Hello”

WOMAN: “Hi Honey, it’s me. Are you at the club?”

MAN: “Yes.”

WOMAN: “I’m at the shops now and found this beautiful leather coat. It’s only $2,000. Is it OK if I buy it?”

MAN: “Sure, go ahead if you like it that much.”

WOMAN: “I also stopped by the Lexus dealership and saw the new models. I saw one I really liked.”

MAN: “How much?”

WOMAN: “$90,000.”

MAN: “OK, but for that price I want it with all the options.”

WOMAN: “Great! Oh, and one more thing. I was just talking to Janie and found out that the house I wanted last year is back on the market. They’re asking $980,000 for it.”

MAN: “Well, then go ahead and make an offer of $900,000. They’ll probably take it. If not, we can go the extra eighty-thousand if it’s what you really want.”

WOMAN: “OK. I’ll see you later! I love you so much!”

MAN: “Bye! I love you, too.”

The man hangs up. The other men in the locker room are staring at him in astonishment, mouths wide open.

He turns and asks, “Anyone know whose phone this is?”

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No Depression  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:56:29pm

re: #59 darthstar

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

[Embedded content]

I’m sorry for your loss :( I know what it’s like to lose a beloved pet.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:57:08pm

re: #59 darthstar

{{hugs}}

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:57:29pm

re: #58 Anymouse

WHY DOES IT TAKE 1 MILLION SPERM TO FERTILIZE ONE EGG?
(they don’t stop to ask directions)

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Floral Giraffe  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:57:37pm

re: #59 darthstar

Fozzie had a good life! (((Darthstar)))

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rhuarc  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:58:45pm

re: #59 darthstar

So sorry for your loss. :(

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:59:03pm

re: #59 darthstar

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

[Embedded content]

Dammit. {{{darthstar}}}

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:59:27pm

re: #59 darthstar

My deepest sympathy to you Darth, losing a pet is a horrible experience, to put it mildly. My thoughts are with you and your family.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:59:30pm

re: #58 Anymouse

The atrium on our village hall is covered in scaffolding now (it is being rebuilt).

As for a lame joke about scaffolding, I’m all in on lame jokes. Since all I have to do is sit around on the High Plains and sweat that which I cannot do anything about until my appointment in another week, I’ll take all the humour I can get.

My mother was just in the hospital for a heart attack, my brother-in-law had bypass surgery after a heart attack, I could really use some humour. Fire away, lizards. I can take it, honest.

I can sympathize. My dad, who died in ‘91, had a damaged heart valve from a childhood bout of rheumatic fever. He got it replaced when high blood pressure started to create serious complications — like angina and stuff. :-(

So, when I got my physical to teach in China, my doc (actually LPN, but whatever) knew about my family history and was concerned about a blip in my EKG. She scheduled me for a stress test at a local hospital. The techs there were very pleasant young women, but boy did they give me a workout on the treadmill! A brisk walk on a slowly increasing incline. Got my bpm up above 175, then monitored how long it took to come back to normal. I passed.

Little did I know then that it was training for my life here. My apartment is a brisk walk up a slowly increasing incline — a 100 meter climb every day to a 4th floor walkup.

Boo-yah!

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:00:31pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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I hope a pair of judges throw a whole shelf of books at Ginger Snapped. Both him and Daledian deserve to be locked away for the rest of their lives. They incited the Colorado Springs shooting!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:01:59pm

re: #59 darthstar

Sorry my friend. A couple of summers ago I lost a dog and a cat within three days of each other. Worst week ever. I do have another dog and cat now who I love. Healing takes time.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:05pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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Takes a page from his friend the Rage Furby, does he?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:33pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:02:35pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

I see he’s been taking pointers from his buddy Chuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:03:11pm

re: #80 thedopefishlives

Gah, you beat me! :p

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:03:57pm

re: #68 Kent Dorfman

LOL! I had to cross-post that to the entire Solar System. Thanks (lifts eggnog with 151 rum in salute).

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:04:02pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

Gah, you beat me! :p

Hey, now, Charles just kinda lobbed that one over the plate. Don’t blame me for swinging for the fences.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:04:28pm

re: #85 thedopefishlives

Hey, now, Charles just kinda lobbed that one over the plate. Don’t blame me for swinging for the fences.

He’s trained us well.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:04:49pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:05:18pm

re: #59 darthstar

No words, just tears here for you and yours.

{{{darth}}}

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:05:40pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I see he’s been taking pointers from his buddy Chuck.

They can share a cell together.

“Do you like gladiator movies, Chuck?”
“…”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:05:59pm

re: #81 Dr. Matt

We can only hope.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:06:10pm

New phone is ordered and will hopefully be in at the store on Saturday. maybe.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:06:53pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

New phone is ordered and will hopefully be in at the store on Saturday. maybe.

What did you decide on?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:07:30pm

OK, a joke, one of the few I can remember from start to finish. It’s a Hoosier joke.

Late one evening, some fisherman are on the Ohio River, two on the Kentucky side and one on the Indiana side. The Kentucky guys are pulling in fish after fish, but the poor Hoosier hasn’t caught a thing. Finally he yells across the river.

“How come you guys are catching so many fish?”

“We’re using some new lures. The fish love ‘em! You want to try one?”

“Sure! But I can’t get to you. The bridge is too far away.”

“Tell ya what, we’ve got this really bright flashlight. We’ll turn it on, and you can walk across the beam over to our side.”

“Nah,” says the Hoosier. “I don’t trust you guys. You’d probably turn it off when I was halfway across!”

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:07:50pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Little did I know then that it was training for my life here. My apartment is a brisk walk up a slowly increasing incline — a 100 meter climb every day to a 4th floor walkup.

Boo-yah!

I don’t know how to do the Wingnut font here, but:

Metres? Ya damn commie sochulist! Yuh shuld be doin’ yer climbs in feet like a good red-blooded ‘Murcan!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:08:45pm

re: #92 thedopefishlives

What did you decide on?

Getting the Samsung Galaxy Note 5 and pretending not to notice the price tag.

It will give me a good chance to troubleshoot all those damn Samsung specific quirks that keep popping up in the app.

mr. klys is getting a Nexus 5X for Christmas so hopefully I can convince him to also let me test there (that’ll be running 6.0) and that should greatly improve my testing platforms. Alternately I will actually work on getting the tablet up and running again. >.>

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:43pm

re: #94 Anymouse

I don’t know how to do the Wingnut font here, but:

Metres? Ya damn commie sochulist! Yuh shuld be doin’ yer climbs in feet like a good red-blooded ‘Murcan!

Wingnut is easy! [ wingnut ] Text [ /wingnut ] but no spaces. :)

If you hover over the question mark below the comment box it has some helpful tips.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:09:47pm

re: #94 Anymouse

I don’t know how to do the Wingnut font here, but:

Metres? Ya damn commie sochulist! Yuh shuld be doin’ yer climbs in feet like a good red-blooded ‘Murcan!

No, there’s no way I could climb 300 feet in the same amount of time!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:10:27pm

re: #95 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Getting the Samsung Galaxy Note 5 and pretending not to notice the price tag.

It will give me a good chance to troubleshoot all those damn Samsung specific quirks that keep popping up in the app.

mr. klys is getting a Nexus 5X for Christmas so hopefully I can convince him to also let me test there (that’ll be running 6.0) and that should greatly improve my testing platforms. Alternately I will actually work on getting the tablet up and running again. >.>

Been thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab S or S2 for a tablet on next year’s tech allowance.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:11:09pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Been thinking about getting a Galaxy Tab S or S2 for a tablet on next year’s tech allowance.

I got sold on the concept of the SPen. Being able to write my text responses instead of hammering away at a stupid small keyboard? Sold.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:11:56pm

re: #99 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I got sold on the concept of the SPen. Being able to write my text responses instead of hammering away at a stupid small keyboard? Sold.

Sorry. My experiences with the early PalmPilots kinda ruined that for me. It’ll take years before my instinctive gut-clench will subside.

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:00pm

re: #59 darthstar

So sorry Darth…

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:30pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can sympathize. My dad, who died in ‘91, had a damaged heart valve from a childhood bout of rheumatic fever. He got it replaced when high blood pressure started to create serious complications — like angina and stuff. :-(

My father died in 1968 in the Vietnam War (when I was seven). Hence, the Gold Star Family Lapel Button which is my avatar.

As far as men go, I am the longest-lived male in my family. (Currently, the oldest person in my biological family is my mother; my last great-great-grandmother died right after I got out of boot camp in the Seventies; my last great-grandmother died in 1993 - the Navy put me on emergency leave for that; my last grandmother died in 2005.)

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unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:43pm

re: #99 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Be sure the pointy end goes back inside first. :)

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:46pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No words, just tears here for you and yours.

{{{darth}}}

I just stopped blubbering like 3 minutes ago. Don’t get me started again.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:12:49pm

re: #100 thedopefishlives

Sorry. My experiences with the early PalmPilots kinda ruined that for me. It’ll take years before my instinctive gut-clench will subside.

I went and played with one in person to see how well it worked. It worked well enough for me. :D

Also the camera is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulous and the battery life is insane. I can cope with a ginormous phone to get these things.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:14:03pm

The Florida revenge porn law is probably not going to hit Zimmerman here, because it requires proof of explicit sexual content being posted online, and the pic Zimmerman posted was cropped to avoid crossing that line.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:14:23pm

WHY DO MEN SNORE WHEN THEY LIE ON THEIR BACKS?
(because their balls fall over their butt-hole and they vapor lock)

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:05pm

re: #107 Kent Dorfman

*WHACK!*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:33pm

re: #95 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Getting the Samsung Galaxy Note 5 and pretending not to notice the price tag.

It will give me a good chance to troubleshoot all those damn Samsung specific quirks that keep popping up in the app.

mr. klys is getting a Nexus 5X for Christmas so hopefully I can convince him to also let me test there (that’ll be running 6.0) and that should greatly improve my testing platforms. Alternately I will actually work on getting the tablet up and running again. >.>

I got a new phone last month. It’s a Chinese brand, XiaoMi, their RedMi Note 2. 5.5” screen and running XiaoMi’s tweaked version of Android. My old phone, a XiaoMi 1s, was three years old and for Chinese Singles Day (11/11) the new phone was on sale. Cost me $110.

So far so good. I like it. And a week after it arrived, my old phone died.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:41pm

Damn, a lot has gone on at LGF since I was last logged in. Got some catching up to do.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:47pm

re: #107 Kent Dorfman

WHY DO MEN SNORE WHEN THEY LIE ON THEIR BACKS?
(because their balls fall over their butt-hole and they vapor lock)

Hahahahaha!!!!!! My wife says she will check for this tonight. Is my hub vapour locked? Only his hairdresser knows for sure… .

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:15:58pm

This made me giggle…I needed a good giggle.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:18pm

re: #105 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I refuse to buy any phone where I can’t remove the battery. Right now I have a GNote IV with a Mugen Power 6640 mAh battery with a built-in kickstand with wireless charging. Sure, it’s a brick, but it’ll last several hours in heavy-duty usage.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:16:48pm

re: #111 Anymouse

For some reason, my wife didn’t find that joke funny. I said she doesn’t balls, she wouldn’t understand.

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bratwurst  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:17:43pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:18:02pm

re: #107 Kent Dorfman

Okay, that actually elicited a belly laugh—first one all week, so I’d better call it a night before anything ruins it. :-))

Later, lizards.

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unproven innocence  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:18:12pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

I like your new avatar and the text snippet:
The world is divided into people who think they’re right. —Anonymous

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:19:23pm

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:21:19pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Just like his buddy Chuck has tried to do.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:22:30pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

She’s a *really* good skier.]

So, that’s what you kids are calling it nowadays. :-P

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:23:21pm

re: #119 TedStriker

I reported it as a sockpuppet account.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:24:02pm

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK, a joke, one of the few I can remember from start to finish. It’s a Hoosier joke.

Late one evening, some fisherman are on the Ohio River, two on the Kentucky side and one on the Indiana side. The Kentucky guys are pulling in fish after fish, but the poor Hoosier hasn’t caught a thing. Finally he yells across the river.

“How come you guys are catching so many fish?”

“We’re using some new lures. The fish love ‘em! You want to try one?”

“Sure! But I can’t get to you. The bridge is too far away.”

“Tell ya what, we’ve got this really bright flashlight. We’ll turn it on, and you can walk across the beam over to our side.”

“Nah,” says the Hoosier. “I don’t trust you guys. You’d probably turn it off when I was halfway across!”

Huh. That’s the joke at the heart of one of the finest Batman comics ever written: Batman: The Killing Joke en.wikipedia.org

I’ve never heard it outside of that context before.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:24:52pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

The Florida revenge porn law is probably not going to hit Zimmerman here, because it requires proof of explicit sexual content being posted online, and the pic Zimmerman posted was cropped to avoid crossing that line.

They learn when it suits them, don’t they?

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whitebeach  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:25:31pm

re: #59 darthstar

Sorry, man. Been there too. But you know the memories will be great, and someday soon they’ll come with smiles and laughs along with, always, the missing him.

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allegro  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:25:34pm

re: #59 darthstar

I’m so sorry for your heartbreaking loss. I will miss the Adventures of Fozzie that you’ve shared with such love and humor. He was a good boy who was blessed with a great dog dad. {{{Darth}}}

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:01pm

re: #96 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks.
Gotta registur all Mooslims, but don’cha dare mention my gunz!

huffingtonpost.com

Huffington Post is posting family photos of the victims of the San Bernardino shootings. Did they do this with Colorado Springs?
huffingtonpost.com

One commentator noted they should be blown up extra-large and put on the Capitol steps.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:19pm

re: #113 Eric The Fruit Bat

I refuse to buy any phone where I can’t remove the battery. Right now I have a GNote IV with a Mugen Power 6640 mAh battery with a built-in kickstand with wireless charging. Sure, it’s a brick, but it’ll last several hours in heavy-duty usage.

Eh, my last one was a non-removable battery too. Doesn’t bother me as much.

Since the manufacturers stop pushing updates to the phones after two years anyway, with the possible exception of Google (but they do not guarantee this in the fine print), I know the life cycle it needs to meet. My Droid Maxx has been quite good in that regard.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:22pm

re: #119 TedStriker

Just like his buddy Chuck has tried to do.

I checked Chuck’s site to see these wedding photos. One of his captions says “I guess not many people came to the wedding.” It’s a photo of the couple posing on a beach somewhere.

Idiot doesn’t understand these are the photos taken BEFORE the wedding of the couple in some romantic setting. Of course, there’s not going to be a crowd there, by design.

It’s a been a thing for several years, if not longer. I guess high IQ guy missed that trend.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:26pm

re: #117 unproven innocence

I like your new avatar and the text snippet:
The world is divided into people who think they’re right. —Anonymous

Thanks. That quote keeps me from feeling to pleased with myself, and the Middle Eastern proverb about the caravan on my Twitter header reminds me not to let the haters get to me too much: The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

G’nite, peeps (really leaving this time).

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:26:40pm

{{{darthstar}}}

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:27:50pm

re: #113 Eric The Fruit Bat

I refuse to buy any phone where I can’t remove the battery. Right now I have a GNote IV with a Mugen Power 6640 mAh battery with a built-in kickstand with wireless charging. Sure, it’s a brick, but it’ll last several hours in heavy-duty usage.

I have a burner phone I bought in 2005. I can’t use it where I live (no cell service).

It is probably the oldest burner phone still in use in the USA.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:30:50pm

re: #131 Anymouse

Depending on what kind of phone it is, it may not even work anymore.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:30:54pm

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And Chuck’s wedding photos show nobody else there either. He’s a dick.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:30:59pm

I am so sorry, darthstar.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:31:24pm

re: #59 darthstar

:’(

Beautiful dog, I am so sorry darthstar.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:32:23pm

darth, my condolences.

My stepson had to put down Harley, his pit bull, a few months ago. Harley was the sweetest, most loving dog ever, but he contracted some kind of cancer in his lower parts, and the pain got to be too severe. Poor guy couldn’t walk or go pee normally. The vet recommended euthanasia.

We’d known Harley for 15 years. It was a sad day for the family.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:33:08pm

re: #132 Eric The Fruit Bat

Depending on what kind of phone it is, it may not even work anymore.

It still works when I go into an area with cell service (like Cheyenne or Denver).

It doesn’t work here because there are no cell towers. Contrary to what the cell companies say, there is no universal coverage in the USA.

Heck, here we only got 911 direct dial emergency service in 2012.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:34:16pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

And Chuck’s wedding photos show nobody else there either. He’s a dick.

Putting it mildly.

There is still no definite evidence that Jackie Coakley is the Rolling Stone’s source of that sotry. Chuck is the only one who says she is.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:35:30pm

re: #137 Anymouse

It still works when I go into an area with cell service (like Cheyenne or Denver).

It doesn’t work here because there are no cell towers. Contrary to what the cell companies say, there is no universal coverage in the USA.

Heck, here we only got 911 direct dial emergency service in 2012.

Cell coverage in China is way better than in the USA. You have to be way out in the sticks in a holler to lose signal.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:40:05pm

re: #14 Feline Fearless Leader

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:42pm

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You have to be way out in the sticks in a holler to lose signal.

en.wikipedia.org

I am way out in the sticks.

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ipsos  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:41:43pm

{{{{{{{darthstar}}}}}}}

And a big “woo-hoo” to teleskiguy. She seems like a keeper :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:44:27pm

re: #122 William Lewis

It’s an old joke, so maybe Alan Moore knew it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:45:42pm

re: #141 Anymouse

en.wikipedia.org

I am way out in the sticks.

Oh, yeah. :D

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:51:16pm

re: #144 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

After my time in the Navy (and being from a town of less than two hundred originally) I wanted to get as far away from cities and the ocean as I could.

This place fits the bill. (I am still trying to figure out how this sochulust atheust ‘Murica hater got both elected and re-elected.

On the last paragraph, my town is not actually full of wingnuts. Conservatives, yes, wingnuts, no. It does have a lot (for its size) of military veterans (including me) - which gives me the opportunity to explain the Sen. Bernie Sanders sign in my yard.

My well-meaning but conservative neighbours are surprised that Mr. Sanders has been so supportive of veterans.

Though I doubt I will change many minds prior to the next election about voting for the Dems over the GOP, I have changed more than one about who it is that actually has veterans’ backs (the Dems).

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Reality Based Steve  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:55:02pm

re: #59 darthstar

I’m sorry Darth. It’s always hard when they cross the rainbow bridge, but you were a good friend to him.

RBS

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:55:16pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Snarknado!  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:01:20pm

re: #59 darthstar

So sorry to hear that, Darth.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:06:06pm

re: #147 Feline Fearless Leader

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Oh I plan to. :D

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:08:51pm

re: #148 Snarknado!

We lost our giant-sized Border Collie Billie last year. (Our dog weighed eighty-five pounds, if you can imagine a dog that size in the back of a Smart car going to the vet.)

I understand your loss. Even our cat, Felix Strangelet Randomkitty moped for weeks over the loss of our dog (though in Felix’s case, he commiserated the loss of his personal slave—the dog was his servant).

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WhatEVs  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:09:37pm

re: #59 darthstar

My heart hurts for you. My dogs are my kids. I feel for you. I’m so sorry for your loss.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:10:16pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

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And cute as a bug!

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:15:38pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

New York Daily News keeps it real.

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Wow.

That’s gonna piss off a few.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:16:23pm

A cursory glance of what’s been shared today at LGF and my jaw dropped, broke through the floor and is lodged in the concrete in the basement. The right wing in the United States have truly lost it. It’s fucking surreal. I keep thinking to myself ‘Can it get any worse?’ and it always does. It always gets worse.

I thank my lucky stars for I’m where I’m at at present. I voluntarily take in all the sludge and filth that we all share about the right wing in the United States. I try and tell people about it too, when the opportunity arises. Sure, there’s politics and bickering and loud mouths where I’m at, but John Hickenlooper is a billion fathoms more above water than Greg Abbott is.

And of course, Trump is a thing. Motherfucker.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:17:16pm

re: #152 austin_blue

And cute as a bug!

austin_blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Missed you, man!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:20:19pm

Chuck’s Generosity campaign has stalled at $2,361. Seems those garish dead baby promos are not doing the trick.

Too bad, so sad.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:22:14pm

re: #51 TedStriker

Aren’t we all?

Like Paul Newman said in Hud, no one gets out of life alive.

Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:26:48pm

re: #157 Eventual Carrion

LOL! “Life is a sexually-transmitted terminal disease.” I will have to pass that on to the Head Cynic of Chez Tumbleweed (my wife).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:28:09pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:29:22pm

re: #159 Eric The Fruit Bat

I predict CCJ will soon have some complaint about the SJWs going after his good friend, George the Killerman.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:33:46pm

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Both are nasty pieces of work, but the Zman is far, far worse.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:33:58pm

re: #155 teleskiguy

austin_blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Missed you, man!

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A lot going on lately. Retiring in February (pension!) and I have had to write dozens of SOPs on how to handle emergency responses (I’ve been the point in my organization since 2001). I’ve also been setting up what I will need to to do as an independent consulting geologist in the real world.

We’ll see.

Finally, I needed to take a break from this board. The Constant Cacophony of Crap from the R’s in their sprint to the cray-cray has been breath taking, to the point where commenting on the obvious seems redundant to what everyone else is posting here.

So I Iurked and laughed. Folks here are damned clever. I’ve appreciated them more from a distance. It’s been a good thing. I’ll jump back in in the near future.

Missed talking with the Lizard Nation, but I *have* been watching. Y’all are pure gold.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:35:59pm

Darthstar, so sorry to hear about your buddy. Damn.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:39:04pm

re: #59 darthstar

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:39:32pm

re: #162 austin_blue

A lot going on lately. Retiring in February (pension!) and I have had to write dozens of SOPs on how to handle emergency responses (I’ve been the point in my organization since 2001). I’ve also been setting up what I will need to to do as an independent consulting geologist in the real world.

We’ll see.

Finally, I needed to take a break from this board. The Constant Cacophony of Crap from the R’s in their sprint to the cray-cray has been breath taking, to the point where commenting on the obvious seems redundant to what everyone else is posting here.

So I Iurked and laughed. Folks here are damned clever. I’ve appreciated them more from a distance. It’s been a good thing. I’ll jump back in in the near future.

Missed talking with the Lizard Nation, but I *have* been watching. Y’all are pure gold.

Completely understand. Still good to see you! The Umphreys are playing Stubbs on 22 April, I might be there. :)

Take care, good luck my friend. Oh, and the skiing has been fantastic. Over six feet of snow fell in November at the ski areas!

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WhatEVs  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:42:29pm

re: #162 austin_blue

Hey there. I’m going to be in Austin for work in a couple of weeks. Can you recommend any Must Go To restaurants?

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:42:43pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

Completely understand. Still good to see you! The Umphreys are playing Stubbs on 22 April, I might be there. :)

Take care, good luck my friend. Oh, and the skiing has been fantastic. Over six feet of snow fell in November at the ski areas!

Ah, my wasted yoot at A-basin…

If you come to Austin for the Umphrey’s show, give me a shout. We’ve got a guest house out back with a bedroom and a bath. Fancy that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:44:07pm

re: #162 austin_blue

Good luck on the consulting biz. My cousin (a former corporate accountant) and a good friend (a former college admission dean) have made consulting part of their semi-retired lives, and are doing quite well. They take jobs they want, travel where they want on someone else’s nickel, and the rest of the time, kick back and enjoy life.

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Bear  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:45:41pm

re: #59 darthstar

So sad.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:48:09pm

Many sympathies, Darth.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:49:06pm

re: #166 WhatEVs

Hey there. I’m going to be in Austin for work in a couple of weeks. Can you recommend any Must Go To restaurants?

Uchi for sure. Get there at around 4:30 in the PM and check in and request a seat at the sushi bar. From 5:00 to 6:30, there is a social hour with deep discounts on a select menu of specials. It is absolutely killer bee.

Breakfast tacos. Silly good BBQ. Fantastic interior Meskin food. Tell me what you like and I can be more specific.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:50:32pm

re: #168 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good luck on the consulting biz. My cousin (a former corporate accountant) and a good friend (a former college admission dean) have made consulting part of their semi-retired lives, and are doing quite well. They take jobs they want, travel where they want on someone else’s nickel, and the rest of the time, kick back and enjoy life.

That’s the plan. I just want to make enough enough cash to pay my $9,135 property tax bill and a bit on the side.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:51:46pm

This is Max. I didn’t go looking for him, he just showed up one day as a tiny stray kitten. I took pity on him and started feeding him, now he’s a regular fixture. I guess he just knew I was in need of an overlord.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:52:22pm

re: #167 austin_blue

Ah, my wasted yoot at A-basin…

Back when broken legs were more common. Thanks to the advent of technology people now tear their ACL/MCL/Meniscus. Which is worse?

I’m going to say broken leg.

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PT Barnum  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:52:58pm

I got invited to celebrate Christmas with Santa’s reindeer, but I turned them down, as I didn’t want to be part of the Donner Party.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:53:55pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Wow.

That’s gonna piss off a few.

Yeah, one such person is me. That front page distorts the definition of “terrorist” beyond all meaning.

Robert Dear and Dylan Roof are terrorists, as they had a clear political motive and objective in their rampages.

Adam Lanza had no notable political views that I am aware of and committed his crimes out of entirely personal motives. He had no objectives beyond killing and dying, which does not accord with a terrorist attacking to force political or social changes.

I am not aware of James Holmes having any political or social motives either, though I might be wrong. But unless those motives are shown then he goes alongside Lanza as not a terrorist but still a mass murderer.

To call Wayne LaPierre a terrorist is a monumental distortion and in my opinion can only be considered an attempt to silence the NRA. Saying that if you head an organization that opposes gun control you are a terrorist is categorize someone’s policy positions, which in LaPierre’s case do not include condoning unlawful violence, as terrorist activity. It an attempt to categorize opposition to the views of the Daily News on the matter of firearms policy as being outside the pale of decency and as violent in and of themselves.

By publishing that page, I consider the NYDN to have declared war on myself, my father, much of my extended family, and several of my friends. It has shown itself unworthy of any use save the wrapping of fish and the lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:55:44pm

re: #59 darthstar

Sorry about your dog, Darth. I’m glad you were able to make his last day as fun for him as it could be.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:56:50pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:57:04pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

I consider the NYDN to have declared war on myself, my father, much of my extended family, and several of my friends.

I don’t think you’re being consistent in your objection to the misuse of words.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:57:11pm

re: #172 austin_blue

That’s the plan. I just want to make enough enough cash to pay my $9,135 property tax bill and a bit on the side.

Oh, a geologist ought be able to do that, no probs. You might consider international work, too. I’ve met some tech types here in China from Oz, Germany, the US and the UK doing consultancy work for Chinese firms. I live near mining areas, so a few have been geologists.

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PT Barnum  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:58:15pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Terrorism doesnt require a political motive. It’s a tactic, not a belief system. Mr. LaPierre has terrorized lawful gun owners onto believing they’ll lose their 2nd amendment rights if ANY meaningful gun legislation is passed. The shoe fits.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 8:58:27pm

re: #175 PT Barnum

I got invited to celebrate Christmas with Santa’s reindeer, but I turned them down, as I didn’t want to be part of the Donner Party.

Too bad, you’ll miss how Blitzen got his name. Hint: It has to to do with aquavit.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:03:49pm

re: #181 PT Barnum

Terrorism doesnt require a political motive. It’s a tactic, not a belief system. Mr. LaPierre has terrorized lawful gun owners onto believing they’ll lose their 2nd amendment rights if ANY meaningful gun legislation is passed. The shoe fits.

By that logic many organizations that use propaganda or appeals to fear are terrorist orgs. That does not work and its again distorts the word “terrorist” to an unsupportable degree..

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:00pm

re: #174 teleskiguy

Back when broken legs were more common. Thanks to the advent of technology people now tear their ACL/MCL/Meniscus. Which is worse?

I’m going to say broken leg.

I dislocated an ankle and broke a fibula at A-basin (Why did my tip disappear? Oh fuck!). Fucking Roto-mats.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:04:50pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

Embedded ImageThis is Max. I didn’t go looking for him, he just showed up one day as a tiny stray kitten. I took pity on him and started feeding him, now he’s a regular fixture. I guess he just knew I was in need of an overlord.

Random feline overlords are the best. I chose mine, ostensibly.

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Anymouse  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:06:08pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

I have to agree, in principle. Calling Mr. LaPierre a terrorist (or a supporter of terrorism) seems more like hyperbole than factual. I would characterise Mr. LaPierre’s position as either misguided or wrong.

I would not call out Mr. LaPierre’s position as “support of terrorism.” Mr. La Pierre, and the organisation he represents, is exercising his rights under the I Amendment.

Regardless of the rhetoric, I sincerely doubt that Mr. LaPierre is supportive of murder or terrorism. He certainly supports loosening gun laws (which will likely increase violent gun crime with firearms), but that is not the same as supporting either terrorism or gun crime.

[tonepolice]I am all in favour of calling out the fallacies of the supporters of loose gun laws (no law will prevent criminals, &c); I am not in favour of mischaracterising the positions of gun regulation opponents.

I am convinced that Mr. LaPierre is certain he is upholding civil rights as he interprets the II Amendment. I would rather try to educate people why I think his organisation’s position is misguided rather than paint it with hyperbole (he supports domestic terrorism—which I think unlikely). As he is also paid to support the position of his organisation, it seems unlikely he would take a position against his paycheck.[/tonepolice]

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:06:55pm
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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:07:03pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, a geologist ought be able to do that, no probs. You might consider international work, too. I’ve met some tech types here in China from Oz, Germany, the US and the UK doing consultancy work for Chinese firms. I live near mining areas, so a few have been geologists.

I worked SE Asia and the South China Sea as a wellhead geologist back in the 80’s before the bottom fell out (the last time). Good money, but we were as expendable as any grunt soldier.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:08:26pm

re: #186 Anymouse

Thank you, sir, and welcome.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:08:51pm

re: #184 austin_blue

I dislocated an ankle and broke a fibula at A-basin (Why did my tip disappear? Oh fuck!). Fucking Roto-mats.

These bad boys, eh?

OY!

These are my telemark bindings, 100% non-releasable.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:13:24pm

Austin_Blue, this one’s for you:

The B-52 bomber turns 60 (photos)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:13:56pm

re: #188 austin_blue

I worked SE Asia and the South China Sea as a wellhead geologist back in the 80’s before the bottom fell out (the last time). Good money, but we were as expendable as any grunt soldier.

I believe it.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:14:16pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

These bad boys, eh?

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Spring operated leg breakers. I can still tell when a low front is moving in.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:19:41pm

re: #59 darthstar

Oh Darth. So sad for you.

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Jenner7  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:19:55pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if those precious babies were terrorized just before Adam put bullet holes in their tiny bodies.

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cat-tikvah  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:21:03pm

re: #51 TedStriker

Well then there’s Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series, where zombies can identify with the “vitally challenged” community.

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austin_blue  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:22:36pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Austin_Blue, this one’s for you:

The B-52 bomber turns 60 (photos)

Me, too, in February! Actually only the H models (1960 and 1961 builds) are still active.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:23:23pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, one such person is me. That front page distorts the definition of “terrorist” beyond all meaning.

Robert Dear and Dylan Roof are terrorists, as they had a clear political motive and objective in their rampages.

Adam Lanza had no notable political views that I am aware of and committed his crimes out of entirely personal motives. He had no objectives beyond killing and dying, which does not accord with a terrorist attacking to force political or social changes.

I am not aware of James Holmes having any political or social motives either, though I might be wrong. But unless those motives are shown then he goes alongside Lanza as not a terrorist but still a mass murderer.

To call Wayne LaPierre a terrorist is a monumental distortion and in my opinion can only be considered an attempt to silence the NRA. Saying that if you head an organization that opposes gun control you are a terrorist is categorize someone’s policy positions, which in LaPierre’s case do not include condoning unlawful violence, as terrorist activity. It an attempt to categorize opposition to the views of the Daily News on the matter of firearms policy as being outside the pale of decency and as violent in and of themselves.

By publishing that page, I consider the NYDN to have declared war on myself, my father, much of my extended family, and several of my friends. It has shown itself unworthy of any use save the wrapping of fish and the lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

You’re in Chicago, why the fuck do you even care what the New York Daily News says about St. LaPierre?

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:24:21pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

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At least she wears a helmet…where’s yours?

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:27:13pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

By publishing that page, I consider the NYDN to have declared war on myself, my father, much of my extended family, and several of my friends. It has shown itself unworthy of any use save the wrapping of fish and the lining bird cages and cat litter boxes.

So you’re siding with the mass murderers. Interesting position. But do you think it’s fair to extend that label to your family and friends without their knowledge?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:28:57pm

re: #198 TedStriker

You’re in Chicago, why the fuck do you even care what the New York Daily News says about St. LaPierre?

Charles put it up, thus inviting commentary. And I consider the piece to be an attack not only against Mr. LaPierre (whom I do not find to be at all saintly, but who also is no species of terrorist) but against pro-firearms-rights people in general.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:29:40pm

re: #197 austin_blue

Me, too, in February! Actually only the H models (1960 and 1961 builds) are still active.

My 60th is next month. Still not exactly sure how that happened. It seems too soon.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:30:51pm

re: #200 darthstar

That is the most rotten thing you’ve ever said to me. And for the time being its the last, as anything else you post in reply to me before the weekend is going to be downdinged and thereafter ignored.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:31:15pm

re: #199 darthstar

At least she wears a helmet…where’s yours?

That’s a good question. Something happened in my head two winters ago, when I skied Silverton (and went heli-skiing for the first time). I noticed that none of the guides there wear helmets.

So I kind of stopped wearing mine. I still have a helmet, I just don’t use it. Call me old school.

Damn it darthstar, that’s a damn good question. You ask where, I ask myself why???

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:35:21pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

That’s a good question. Something happened in my head two winters ago, when I skied Silverton (and went heli-skiing for the first time). I noticed that none of the guides there wear helmets.

So I kind of stopped wearing mine. I still have a helmet, I just don’t use it. Call me old school.

Damn it darthstar, that’s a damn good question. You ask where, I ask myself why???

I’m gonna call you silly.

Preventable head injuries are really fucking stupid.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:36:31pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

The Florida revenge porn law is probably not going to hit Zimmerman here, because it requires proof of explicit sexual content being posted online, and the pic Zimmerman posted was cropped to avoid crossing that line.

She will charge harassment. Hopefully they will (HA FLORIDA COPS) protect her.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:37:42pm

[deleted] Bad facts

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:38:11pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

Meh. Natasha Richardson was wearing a helmet and she still died.

…you noted the word “preventable,” right?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:00pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

Also, from the article you linked:

Richardson was not wearing a helmet when she sustained her injury.[33] This sparked a debate over whether wearing helmets while skiing should be mandatory.[34][35] After the incident, the spokesman for Mont Tremblant ski resort, Ian Galbraith, stated that “we recommend all skiers and boarders wear helmets, (but) it is a matter of personal preference whether our guests choose to do so.”[35] A mandatory helmet law was never implemented in Quebec, though the Quebec Ski Areas Association budgeted $200,000 toward a safety campaign.[36] According to a BBC report, the number of skiers and snowboarders who wore helmets increased substantially after Richardson’s death and several other high profile incidents.[37]

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:21pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

I’m all up in your shit. Thank you & XXOO enjoy.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:39:27pm

My #207 was based on erroneous shit. OY! I have a lot of open browsers.

I need to go to bed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:40:06pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

And wear a helmet. We like you. You do not need to join the neurosurgeon club with WW and CL for us to continue to like you. ;)

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:40:17pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

My #207 was based on erroneous shit. OY! I have a lot of open browsers.

I need to go to bed.

It happens to all of us, so don’t sweat it too much.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:41:27pm

klys, you called me out. I am in error.

I’ll probably not wear a helmet when I ski tomorrow. If you deem me “fucking stupid” so be it. I deem you somewhat ignorant of skiing and ski culture.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:42:07pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Charles put it up, thus inviting commentary. And I consider the piece to be an attack not only against Mr. LaPierre (whom I do not find to be at all saintly, but who also is no species of terrorist) but against pro-firearms-rights people in general.

Wayne LaPierre is a massive chode and the NRA, who he works for, long ago supplanted its mission of gun safety and education in favor of acting as a (well-heeled) political lobby for firearms manufacturers.

The NYDN went heavy on the hyperbole when including him on that front page, but they also made a damn good point; LaPierre and the NRA, along with their bought-and-paid-for lackeys in Congress and statehouses nationwide, have fought pretty much any sensible gun reform/control legislation for years. Because of that, we are seeing a marked increase in mass casualty events committed with firearms in this country.

Frankly, I’m getting sick at hearing about a new mass shooting in this country what seems to be every few days or so, if that; aren’t you?

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:43:47pm

re: #212 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And wear a helmet. We like you. You do not need to join the neurosurgeon club with WW and CL for us to continue to like you. ;)

No shit.

Q: What do you call bikers/skiers/skaters without a helmet?

A: Organ donors.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:44:57pm

re: #214 teleskiguy

klys, you called me out. I am in error.

I’ll probably not wear a helmet when I ski tomorrow. If you deem me “fucking stupid” so be it. I deem you somewhat ignorant of skiing and ski culture.

Just so we’re clear, I called you silly.

I said preventable head injuries are fucking stupid.

I also come from a family that wears helmets when skiing and if that makes me uncool by ski culture standards, well, I’m not likely to fit in well with them anyway. Guess maybe they’re not as accepting as they’d like to think then.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:49:49pm

re: #156 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s Generosity campaign has stalled at $2,361. Seems those garish dead baby promos are not doing the trick.

Too bad, so sad.

2K is extremely too much.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:33pm

Look at this picture.

That’s Silverton Mountain. It’s a big mountain backcountry experience with a chairlift. It’s guided-only in the middle of the winter. Now ask yourself why, why in the fuck do none of the guides wear helmets. None of them!

None of them has died of head trauma. None of them has died at all. In over 15 years of operation. The only person I’ve seen wear a helmet there is their helicopter pilot.

It’s not black and white, folks.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:50:42pm

re: #216 TedStriker

No shit.

Q: What do you call bikers/skiers/skaters without a helmet?

A: Organ donors.

Headgear should be worn by martial arts students, as well. One of my friends took a roundhouse kick to his head years ago that left him permanently disabled in speaking and in some motor functions.

Another friend got creamed while bike riding by a van driver who didn’t seem him come out of a side street. That accident left him with severe motor problems in his limbs and his speech production, like someone with cerebral palsy.

Helmets may not have prevented these outcomes, but they wouldn’t have hurt, either.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:52:06pm

re: #215 TedStriker

My point was that calling LaPierre a “terrorist” went beyond hyperbole. It was an attempt to declare him, his views and his organization as beyond any bounds of decency to the point of being criminal. I’ve gone after wingnuts when they’ve gone after liberals in that fashion, explained why ugly attacks on President Obama were wrong even when I got FLAK from the right for doing so. so I’m going to call out an attack that I feel goes far too far, and must be labeled inflammatory.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:53:40pm

really???

Crusades Not Christian

So you don’t have any proof that the crusades were Biblically backed, so you pawn off your lack of argument as the other guys ignorance. Not going to work.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:54:01pm

Criticism of the NRA is not my issue in this matter, its that said criticism went into places where criticism ought not to go.

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KingKenrod  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:55:57pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

The Florida revenge porn law is probably not going to hit Zimmerman here, because it requires proof of explicit sexual content being posted online, and the pic Zimmerman posted was cropped to avoid crossing that line.

Florida has a cyberstalking law, separate from revenge porn. It requires a “series of acts, however short”, so I don’t know if a single incident counts.

leg.state.fl.us

(d) ”Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:56:35pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Do you carry? Or is it more a abstract rights thingy?

If it’s an abstract rights thingy, you have zero ground to pound.

But you guys will

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:57:32pm

re: #217 klys (maker of Silmarils)

[resisting urge to be an asshole pedant]

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Poligeek  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:58:37pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

That is the most rotten thing you’ve ever said to me. And for the time being its the last, as anything else you post in reply to me before the weekend is going to be downdinged and thereafter ignored.

Lol.. ‘i’m going to ignore you and downding you, but only til the weekend - nyeah nyeah!’ Are you 12 or something? I’ve been reading your stuff for quite a while. You’re notorious for the following and I find it fascinating.

A. Dodging questions - If anyone asks you a question that MIGHT possibly disturb your worldview you pretend the question was never asked or you pull a ‘BBL’ so that hopefully the issue goes away.

B. Still basically taking the attitude that Republicans can do little to no wrong - its terrifying how much you defend them (or make excuses for their actions due to the political points you freely admit they might score by those actions)

I’m not even convinced that if Trump is the nominee, you won’t vote for him - regardless of the things you’ve been saying about it.

Your commitment to your political party, regardless of how repulsive they can be scares me… because there are a LOT of people out there in the world like you.. I’m not saying you’re a bad person - but wow are you horribly stubborn and misguided at times.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 9:58:44pm

re: #218 Stanley Sea Toujours

2K is extremely too much.

A fool and his money are soon parted. But, AFAIK, the donors are not charged until the campaign meets its goal. At the rate Chuck is going with the Planned Parenthood video fracas, he’s not going to reach his goal before the hammer falls.

If I’ve got the chronology correct, the judge gave Daleiden 14 days to comply with the discovery order, if his appeal to the 9th Circuit failed. It did, so I believe Daleiden has to provide the names demanded by midnight today — Attorney’s Eyes Only. If Chuck’s name is on that list of people who saw the videos and documents, his ass is grass.

Today is also the deadline for his ace lawyer in the Gawker case to reply to Gawker’s latest motions to dismiss or strike the case.

And on Monday, Chuck’s lawyer in California has to reply to the National Abortion Foundation’s motions to reject Chuck’s reporter’s shield law motion.

Lots of stuff in the air this week.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:00:37pm

Fuck. Scott Weiland died. I just found out. And literally the last tweet I posted was a STP song.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:02:17pm

re: #230 teleskiguy

48 is too young to check out.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:48pm

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

Now that sort of statement is one that can be called “pro-terrorism”. Actually, you who else wanted to “cleanse” his country? Some appropriate music for The Nuge may be found below:

INDIANA JONES and The Last Crusade: Burning Books Nazy Party - Der Koniggratzer March (1989)

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Poligeek  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:03:53pm

re: #230 teleskiguy

Fuck. Scott Weiland died. I just found out. And literally the last tweet I posted was a STP song.

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Unfortunately, he’s looked really bad in the last few videos I’ve seen of him. I loved STP (and Velvet Revolver) but Scott was never able to shake his addiction demons, I don’t think. They said they found him dead on his tour bus. :-\

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:04:12pm

I don’t care what anybody thinks, Stone Temple Pilots made some good music, and Scott Weiland was crucial to their sound.

Rest in peace.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:06:11pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:07:43pm

Off to teach young minds. See everyone later.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:11:42pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

I don’t care what anybody thinks, Stone Temple Pilots made some good music, and Scott Weiland was crucial to their sound.

Rest in peace.

My favorite STP song, skip to 0:37 for the start of the music:

Stone Temple Pilots - Interstate Love Song (Video)

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:18:57pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

My favorite STP song, skip to 0:37 for the start of the music:

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Video

That was a radio hit in my adolescence.

My favorite album is probably Tiny Music… Song From The Vatican Gift Shop. It has aged quite well and has some stellar songwriting.

Stone Temple Pilots- Big Bang Baby

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:28:01pm

Well, I feel like an ass. And all my fuckin’ dumb shit is there for all to see.

Don’t wear helmets, teleskiguy insists!

Thanks klys. I am an utter knucklehead.

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Kragar  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:30:07pm

I see Scott Weiland has died. Good musician, but given his history of drug problems, the only thing surprising is that he lasted this long.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:31:08pm

re: #239 teleskiguy

Well, I feel like an ass. And all my fuckin’ dumb shit is there for all to see.

Don’t wear helmets, teleskiguy insists!

Thanks klys. I am an utter knucklehead.

I like you anyway. <3 I can’t make you and you’re an adult, you’ll make your own decisions. But I hope you at least think about it, because I do like you and I want to have you around for a bunch of years to come.

Match your lady. ;) She’ll notice and likely approve.

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KingKenrod  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:32:20pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

My favorite STP song, skip to 0:37 for the start of the music:

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Video

All the hits on Purple are remarkable and even after 20 years I’m not tired of hearing them.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:32:35pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:33:53pm

re: #242 KingKenrod

All the hits on Purple are remarkable and even after 20 years I’m not tired of hearing them.

Purple is one of the pinnacle 90s albums. Not a wasted note.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:36:06pm

You know who else never wore a helmet while skiing?

Hitler, probably.

Don’t be like Hitler.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:52:46pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2015 • 10:54:55pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

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Usually refered to as anyways  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:05:33pm

{{{Darthstar}}}

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:27:58pm

Your government, still covering up the proof of aliens visiting our system:

Found! Apollo 16 S-IVB Impact Crater

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:29:49pm

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

NRA Board Member Nugent Calls For ‘Cleansing’ The Country Of Liberals

One min they are saying the liberals are weak the next min they say the liberals are all criminals and killers. If the second is true they might not want to mess with us. haha

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:32:37pm
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The Dude Abides  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:34:13pm

re: #155 teleskiguy

Who’s that guy in the car?

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Integral Doc  Dec 3, 2015 • 11:54:26pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Regarding WLP:
Doesn’t he head up an organization whose primary purpose is to drive up gun sales for his company’s financial backers? Isn’t a favorite strategy of the NRA to achieve that end instilling fear in large numbers of Americans about a pending confiscation of guns by the Federal Government?
Not only is WLP a terrorist…..he is far more successful at getting Americans killed (by other Americans) than ISIS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 12:25:00am

re: #5 Anymouse

I am an atheist, and I would not “prayer shame” anyone.


The alleged “shaming” on the Internet has nothing to do with the prayers offered by Republican politicians themselves. It has to do with their inaction in the face of a national crisis when they were elected to do something.

We have priests and pastors to offer up prayers. We have politicians to wrestle with political issues.

It is like more like “shaming” parents who deny their children needed medical attention in favor faith healing.

But it makes a nice catch phrase, like the “war on Christmas”, that helps people feel persecuted and justifies their rage and anger at a world they do not (want to) understand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 12:36:01am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Charles put it up, thus inviting commentary. And I consider the piece to be an attack not only against Mr. LaPierre (whom I do not find to be at all saintly, but who also is no species of terrorist) but against pro-firearms-rights people in general.

He is siding against people whose idea of firearms rights means “unlimited, unrestricted, uncontrolled and absolute at all times and in all places”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 12:44:43am

re: #249 freetoken

Your government, still covering up the proof of aliens visiting our system:

Found! Apollo 16 S-IVB Impact Crater

Where’s the crater from Apollo 18?

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freetoken  Dec 4, 2015 • 12:54:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 1:00:55am

I wake up, go on line, just in time for FT to fill the flatline…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:14:14am

This showed up on my FB feed. I am trying to imagine an similar scene in America ending without a confrontation or a hail of gunfire from police or “concerned citizens”:

Sitting on my morning ICE out of Frankfurt, and two Middle Eastern-looking guys get on, one with a camouflage backpack. They motion towards a third guy to come sit near them. He’s young, bearded, well-built, has a hoodie over his head, is looking pretty shifty, and has a strange long backpack. He looks for all the world like … the cliche.
One white guy sitting near them gets up and moves away.
I’m thinking two things: (a) shit; (b) don’t be a dick, eat your breakfast.
So I eat my breakfast, the conductor walks past and visibly does a double-take, but carries on. She eventually comes back, takes a deep breath, and asks them for their tickets.
There’s various discussion with the young bloke, who speaks no German but some English, and eventually she agrees to let him buy three tickets with USD.
It seems like it’s taken all his money to do this, so at this point I say hello and ask if I can help. Because I’m starting to think he’s probably simply a refugee with unwise dress sense.
Turns out he’s from Iraq. This is not initially reassuring to me.
But, we talk, and it seems that he is on his way back to Iraq to help the wife and children of his brother, who has recently been killed by Daesh/ISIS, get out and come to Germany. And he intends to stay in Iraq with his mother, and to use his medical training to help the Iraqi army.
He doesn’t like Germany, because almost nobody talks to him. One old man talked to him, and accused him of being a terrorist. Other than that, only a small boy talked to him.
The reason he’s on the train is that he got on in Nuremberg, intending to go to Munich, to catch his flight to Iraq today. But he accidentally got on in the wrong direction, and ended up in Frankfurt.
When he got off in Frankfurt, nobody would help him, and Deutsche Bahn wouldn’t accept USD to pay for his ticket back to Munich. Eventually he met the other two guys, who he didn’t know, and they helped him.
Multiple times during his story he has to stop because his voice starts to break, which makes things doubly hard for him because it’s shameful to him to cry.
But we talk most of the journey. He won’t take any EUR from me, but at least I can help him with his train
connection in Munich to get to the airport, and it looks like he’ll be in time for his flight.
What does one say to a young guy who is about to go help his family escape a war zone, and then stay and quite possibly die?
I have no idea. The best I could come up with was that I hope everything works out OK for his family, and good luck. It doesn’t seem nearly enough.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:17:50am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This showed up on my FB feed. I am trying to imagine an similar scene in America ending without a confrontation or a hail of gunfire from a concerned citizen:

Sitting on my morning ICE out of Frankfurt, and two Middle Eastern-looking guys get on, one with a camouflage backpack. They motion towards a third guy to come sit near them. He’s young, bearded, well-built, has a hoodie over his head, is looking pretty shifty, and has a strange long backpack. He looks for all the world like … the cliche.
One white guy sitting near them gets up and moves away.
I’m thinking two things: (a) shit; (b) don’t be a dick, eat your breakfast.
So I eat my breakfast, the conductor walks past and visibly does a double-take, but carries on. She eventually comes back, takes a deep breath, and asks them for their tickets.
There’s various discussion with the young bloke, who speaks no German but some English, and eventually she agrees to let him buy three tickets with USD.
It seems like it’s taken all his money to do this, so at this point I say hello and ask if I can help. Because I’m starting to think he’s probably simply a refugee with unwise dress sense.
Turns out he’s from Iraq. This is not initially reassuring to me.
But, we talk, and it seems that he is on his way back to Iraq to help the wife and children of his brother, who has recently been killed by Daesh/ISIS, get out and come to Germany. And he intends to stay in Iraq with his mother, and to use his medical training to help the Iraqi army.
He doesn’t like Germany, because almost nobody talks to him. One old man talked to him, and accused him of being a terrorist. Other than that, only a small boy talked to him.
The reason he’s on the train is that he got on in Nuremberg, intending to go to Munich, to catch his flight to Iraq today. But he accidentally got on in the wrong direction, and ended up in Frankfurt.
When he got off in Frankfurt, nobody would help him, and Deutsche Bahn wouldn’t accept USD to pay for his ticket back to Munich. Eventually he met the other two guys, who he didn’t know, and they helped him.
Multiple times during his story he has to stop because his voice starts to break, which makes things doubly hard for him because it’s shameful to him to cry.
But we talk most of the journey. He won’t take any EUR from me, but at least I can help him with his train
connection in Munich to get to the airport, and it looks like he’ll be in time for his flight.
What does one say to a young guy who is about to go help his family escape a war zone, and then stay and quite possibly die?
I have no idea. The best I could come up with was that I hope everything works out OK for his family, and good luck. It doesn’t seem nearly enough.

Inshallah.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:22:08am

re: #249 freetoken

Your government, still covering up the proof of aliens visiting our system:

Found! Apollo 16 S-IVB Impact Crater

Nice! Goes to show that, even on a small planetoid like the Moon, there’s still a lot of surface area to explore.

Now if they can find those golf balls some of the astronauts hit for fun, those would be real collector’s items!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:23:57am

I missed this part:

Towards the end of the speech, Trump claimed that the attendees were “not going to support me even though you know I am the best thing that could ever happen to Israel.”

“I know why you’re not going to support me,” Trump said. “Because I don’t want your money.”

So not only did he play the economic anti-semitism card by legitimizing the stereotype of the Jew as a frugal negotiator, but he straight up accused a room full of conservative Jews of only being capable of supporting those political candidates that they can purchase.

He and his supporters are already hip deep in vast media conspiracy theories to explain away coverage of the terrible things he says, and now he’s openly spouting anti-semitic canards. The open white supremacy and fascism represented by his campaign hasn’t just taken root within the Republican Party, it now easily controls the largest single faction within the GOP. Things have gotten way out of control.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:32:06am

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

I missed this part:

So not only did he play the economic anti-semitism card by legitimizing the stereotype of the Jew as a frugal negotiator, but he straight up accused a room full of conservative Jews of only being capable of supporting those political candidates that they can purchase.

He and his supporters are already hip deep in vast media conspiracy theories to explain away coverage of the terrible things he says, and now he’s openly spouting anti-semitic canards. The open white supremacy and fascism represented by his campaign hasn’t just taken root within the Republican Party, it now easily controls the largest single faction within the GOP. Things have gotten way out of control.

T. rumpf is tone deaf to an extreme degree, for a guy who’s lived in New York City so long. No matter what his personal prejudices may be, he should know not to alienate a bloc of potential voters (or business partners, as the case may be) by referring to offensive stereotypes.

Or he knows, and just doesn’t care. Did he use the phrase “you people” like that guy on CNN did the other day?

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einbomamashut  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:24:55am

It seems like all roads lead to Saudi Arabia. Funding for 9/11 came from there, this fellow spent some time there. There are vast portions of the 9/11 report that remain classified that spell out, so i have heard, of Saudi Arabian connections. I am not saying the current “regime” there or past regimes are responsible, but that is a common thread. There does not seem to be any thing in the US, and this guy was an active mosque goer, that got inside this guy’s head. he could have been all the muslim he wanted here, and he would have been going out to grade a restaurant today, but he took a trip to S.A. and spent time there.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:33:19am

Why am I getting a whiff of dirty sock?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:48:43am

re: #265 William Lewis

Why am I getting a whiff of dirty sock?

Thar be trolls abaft, cap’n!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:52:52am

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

I missed this part:

“I know why you’re not going to support me,” Trump said. “Because I don’t want your money.”

So not only did he play the economic anti-semitism card by legitimizing the stereotype of the Jew as a frugal negotiator, but he straight up accused a room full of conservative Jews of only being capable of supporting those political candidates that they can purchase.

He was speaking before a group of Jews, but he was actually addressing his target audience of white bigots

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:55:01am

I am extremely tired of the word ‘regime,’ especially when people put it in quotes to make it sound sinister. Oh, crap. Please tell me we can still use ‘sinister’ and that is not derogatory to left-handed people, evil as they are. Plx to learn to construct a paragraph that doesn’t sound like you are stringing together talking points with no understanding.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:57:19am

re: #264 einbomamashut

We know next to nothing about what he did in Saudi Arabia, other than find a wife. And he also visited Pakistan. Malik held a Pakistani passport, as well.

latimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:59:54am

re: #268 Bird in the Paw

I am extremely tired of the word ‘regime,’ especially when people put it in quotes to make it sound sinister. Oh, crap. Please tell me we can still use ‘sinister’ and that is not derogatory to left-handed people, evil as they are. Plx to learn to construct a paragraph that doesn’t sound like you are stringing together talking points with no understanding.

Saudi Arabia is a feudal monarchy. They have more in common with ISIS than with the US in any sense.
They actively support the teaching of extremist Wahabite fundamentalism. But we are economically and militarily tied to them, so we are forced to turn a blind eye to the most obvious source of a lot of the terrorism that affects us and the world today.

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Bird in the Paw  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:11:25am

There is still nuance involved in discussing SA. The fact that it is a monarchy means it is a monarchy. The word ‘regime’ is massively misused by the right, especially when discussing our current president. I hate it.

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einbomamashut  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:15:20am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I agree. w e may not know what he did in S.A., but it is getting too cute that there is this connection. They interviewed the other mosque goers, and these are what I would call devout muslims. If you buy the whole islam is the problem concept, these are the exactly the guys who are the suspects. But when you watch them, especially the imam, you can tell that they could care less about politics, they are much more into the rituals of islam, which includes slaughtering of a goat for eid.Unless you are a PETA activist, there is no problem with that ritual and that is what this mosque into, totally harmless and no worse than transubstantiation in my book. but then you take this guy to S.A. and something bad happens. You should watch the interview of the mosque goers and that is what islam in the US is, just another religion with what bill maher would call wacky rituals. I think the problem affecting islam is geographic - turkey, islamic, no problem, indonesia, islamic no problem (good coffee), s.a., problems. not sure what it is.

If this makes me a troll, this is a pretty low tolerance site for some problem solving debate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:22:11am

re: #272 einbomamashut

…you can tell that they could care less about politics, they are much more into the rituals of islam, which includes slaughtering of a goat for eid.Unless you are a PETA activist, there is no problem with that ritual and that is what this mosque into, totally harmless and no worse than transubstantiation in my book. but then you take this guy to S.A. and something bad happens.

We have a whole passel of home-grown Islam experts who can tell you all about fatwa, taqiyah, sharia and jihad, but seem blithely unaware that one of the key tenets of Islam is protecting the poor and helpless.

That has nothing to do with the assailants’ actions that day in SB.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:30:16am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We have a whole passel of home-grown Islam experts who can tell you all about fatwa, taqiyah, sharia and jihad, but seem blithely unaware that one of the key tenets of Islam is protecting the poor and helpless.

That has nothing to do with the assailants’ actions that day in SB.

I was watching the news a while ago and they were taking to someone that knew him pretty well and he said he thought the lady he married had a lot to do with his change.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:34:49am

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

NRA Board Member Nugent Calls For ‘Cleansing’ The Country Of Liberals

Well, that should be a “solution”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:38:25am

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

NRA Board Member Nugent Calls For ‘Cleansing’ The Country Of Liberals

He did say “I’m not talking about shooting anybody” which is slightly comforting, this being the National Rifle Association

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:39:48am

re: #272 einbomamashut

Devout Muslims have prayer bumps

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:41:07am

re: #275 Eventual Carrion

Well, that should be a “solution”.

< shrug > He’s welcome to try. But given his past, he better wear his brown pants…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:43:59am

re: #277 Kent Dorfman

Devout Muslims have prayer bumps

I don’t know about that…..this guy

Sheikh Esref Efendi of Berlin

is most certainly a devout Muslim*, and he doesn’t have that.

* I’m loathe to use that term, btw…..Geller, Spencer, et al, use it as a dogwhistle for “extremist”.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:45:54am

“Flies in the vasoline, we are
Sometimes it blows my mind
Keep gettin’ stuck here all the time”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:48:13am

re: #274 Tigger2

I was watching the news a while ago and they were taking to someone that knew him pretty well and he said he thought the lady he married had a lot to do with his change.

Islam warns us that women are tools of Satan.

/

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:49:04am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

Well because he has his prayer helmet on!! You should see his skiing helmet!
//

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:49:26am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Tools of Stan

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:51:09am

re: #283 Kent Dorfman

Tools of Stan

Stanley Power Skanks

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:51:38am

BBL.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:52:09am

I feel a song coming on:

Helmet - Unsung

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:53:03am

re: #272 einbomamashut

Well, this is your first visit. Maybe you don’t know some actual real Muslims comment here frequently, and your comment 272 indicates you could stand for some education about Islam. Stick around, and maybe you’ll learn something.

In the meantime, don’t act like a fuckin’ expert.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:53:09am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Islam warns us that women are tools of Satan.

/

I didn’t go as far as he did he said he thought she was a Terrorist but I didn’t want to say that when there is no proof.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:56:13am

re: #288 Tigger2

I didn’t go as far as he did he said he thought she was a Terrorist but I didn’t want to say that when there is no proof.

Another one of our notoriously conservative posters speculated that he was the one who radicalized his woman…

but it would be irresponsible not to speculate.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:59:59am

re: #59 darthstar

I had to say good-bye to one of my boys today. We went to the beach. It was blustery. He rode in the back of the truck (which he loved doing) and stayed on his feet the whole ride. Later, he laid beside me on the bench seat in the cab as I took him to the vet…we stopped at McDonald’s and I bought him two hamburgers with no pickles (he spits them out anyway)…and he fucking loved them. Then we stood outside the vet’s in the howling wind and the rain and just felt it until it was time to go in…

I loved this boy, Fozzie.

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At my previous job, I went in to my daily briefing with my supervisor, and she was sitting at her desk crying. I asked if her Dad was OK (her father was a 95-year-old WW2 vet). She said “Yesterday we had to take our dog to the vet.”

I hugged her and I asked if she had any photos of the pet, and she showed me some and I said some stuff that you say at funerals when a loved one dies.

It’s hard to lose a loved one.

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Nyet  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:04:47am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Religion works in mysterious ways, and saying that the foundational principles of this or that religion are such and such abstract ideals is not really saying much, because such abstract things are the first to be reinterpreted at will.

For example, take the Tanakh commandment about loving your neighbor/fellow as yourself. Such a great commandment, right? Until you learn that some giants of the rabbinical Judaism, like Rambam, interpreted “fellow” only as a fellow Jew. The interpretation which is not universal, but nevertheless influential.

Similar thing happens in Christianity. Jesus’ words about loving your enemies couldn’t be clearer, right? Wrong. One interpretation, authoritative among Russian Orthodox believers, hinges upon the meaning of the word “your”. The saying goes: “Love your enemies, crush the enemies of the fatherland, shun the enemies of God”.

And we didn’t even attempt to define love. Can love be tough, for the betterment of the one being loved, up to applying torture or death penalty if that is supposed to save them?

Basically it always comes down to an interpretation, which is why the talk of the “true” religion such-and-such always makes me smile.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:12:29am

re: #291 Nyet

You remind us of why America’s Founding Fathers had the wisdom and foresight to separate church and state: leave that sort of discussions to theologians and keep them out of lawmaking and governing.

I believe it was a Muslim theologian who reminded us that followers of any religion fall into four categories:

those who, like most of us the west, identify with a particular religion, observe its general tenets but do not follow it closely

those who observe its rules more closely but do so privately and would not think to impose it on anyone

those who would impose their religion on others by law

those who would impose their religion on us by force and kill non-believers who resisted

Although looking more closely at our SB assailants, I do not see them as trying to spread jihad or impose anything on anyone - except death. The only thing they seemed to share with their radicalized brethren was the use of violence.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:15:16am

re: #238 teleskiguy

That was a radio hit in my adolescence.

My favorite album is probably Tiny Music… Song From The Vatican Gift Shop. It has aged quite well and has some stellar songwriting.

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That song was (allegedly) about Curt Cobain.

We saw him at VoodooFest in New Orleans on his birthday in 2000. Great performer, but his demons won out in the end.

RIP.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:16:48am

Rubio was just on CBS spouting the same old NRA talking points and Climate Change Denier BS he earned his money today from the NRA and Oil and Coal Industries.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:22:09am

re: #294 Tigger2

Rubio was just on CBS spouting the same old NRA talking points and Climate Change Denier BS he earned his money today from the NRA and Oil and Coal Industries.

Preaching to the converted, as usual.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:40:53am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He did say “I’m not talking about shooting anybody” which is slightly comforting, this being the National Rifle Association

What does he have in mind, do you think? Ships carting us to Librulstan? Maybe a good gas shower?

eta: I know that’s not what he means (right?), but he has a habit of using the most white supremacist language in these rants.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:42:45am

re: #294 Tigger2

Rubio was just on CBS spouting the same old NRA talking points and Climate Change Denier BS he earned his money today from the NRA and Oil and Coal Industries.

Yeah but he’s new and refreshing for some reason. //

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:45:35am

Our socialist president continues to destroy America.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:47:15am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Yeah but he’s new and refreshing for some reason. //

His name ends with “o”.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:47:25am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Worst economy ever.

Oh, and Trump decides to complain about how he can’t find people to fill jobs at one of his US properties.

A bedrock principle of the H-2 visa program — which Trump’s Mar-a-Lago has used to bring in overseas workers — is that no American worker should ever be deprived of a job in favor of a foreign guestworker. Companies are required by law to take certain steps to show that they have tried but failed to find American workers before they can be approved for visas for foreign workers. But a BuzzFeed News investigation published this week found that many companies that bring in guest workers go to extraordinary lengths to avoid hiring American workers so they can bring in foreign workers on H-2 visas instead.

Trump’s club appears to have followed recruitment rules. When the Mar-a-Lago has openings for which it hopes to bring in foreign workers, it has first posted those positions in the state online job board and in ads with the Palm Beach Post, steps that are required by law.

But despite Trump’s rhetoric on the campaign trail to “Put American Workers First,” Mar-a-Lago has not — with one exception this fall — availed itself of the local career center to find U.S. workers, officials there said, instead relying on foreign workers.

Make America Great Again he says. Guess he’s referring to making America great on the backs of foreign workers - many of whom worked for a pittance in the most dangerous jobs of the day, or in the worst conditions - like those who built the railroads for the barons, worked the steel mills, or dug the mines. Today? It’s about bringing in folks to do jobs in the hospitality industry. Or manufacturing clothing (which Trump decided to offshore entirely, rather than make his clothing line in the US).

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:48:21am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Yeah but he’s new and refreshing for some reason. //

But he’s like a succulent—really have to keep him watered.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:49:37am

re: #300 lawhawk

Worst economy ever.

Oh, and Trump decides to complain about how he can’t find people to fill jobs at one of his US properties.

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And the media continues to fawn over Trump because they are either too afraid or too lazy to challenge his mountains of bullshit lies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:50:07am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Our socialist president continues to destroy America.

Wait, I thought it wasn’t great anymore. This loud guy with the hair keeps saying the USA is the total pits, and he’s the one to bring it back from the edge of extinction.
//

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:52:30am

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

What does he have in mind, do you think? Ships carting us to Librulstan? Maybe a good gas shower?

What ever it is he wouldn’t be doing it he would be hiding and expect others do it.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:55:29am

re: #302 Kent Dorfman

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Video

That’s so hard to watch. Nowhere near the brilliant performance I saw in New Orleans years ago.

Heroin sucks.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:56:59am

re: #306 makeitstop

Watch it to the end, he stumbles off stage, no applause.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:58:12am

re: #307 Kent Dorfman

He used to play to sold out arenas, now he looks like he is playing in a storage unit. Heroin is a hell of a drug.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:59:32am

re: #307 Kent Dorfman

Watch it to the end, he stumbles off stage, no applause.

I saw those videos when they first hit. Just makes me sad to see it.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:03:03am

Make no mistake, I do not take joy in Scott Weiland’s tormented life and soul. I am in recovery myself. Stories like his help me maintain my sobriety.

Scott Weiland - Winter Wonderland (Official Video)

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:03:52am

Given GZ’s latest [shitty] behavior which simultaneously includes racism/bigotry, doxing, and misogyny, one has to wonder if CCJ is giving GZ some sort of counsel.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:04:59am

re: #311 Dr. Matt

Given GZ’s latest [shitty] behavior which simultaneously includes racism/bigotry, doxing, and misogyny, one has to wonder if CCJ is giving GZ some sort of counsel.

Co-dependency

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:05:13am

re: #311 Dr. Matt

Given GZ’s latest [shitty] behavior which simultaneously includes racism/bigotry, doxing, and misogyny, one has to wonder if CCJ is giving GZ some sort of counsel.

Birds of a feather…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:05:19am

re: #296 Barefoot Grin

What does he have in mind, do you think? Ships carting us to Librulstan? Maybe a good gas shower?

eta: I know that’s not what he means (right?), but he has a habit of using the most white supremacist language in these rants.

I am sure he most intentionally stressed “not shooting anybody” just so it could not be used against him in a quote. But the intention is clear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:05:41am

re: #313 Joe Bacon

Birds Turds of a feather…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:05:58am

re: #311 Dr. Matt

Given GZ’s latest [shitty] behavior which simultaneously includes racism/bigotry, doxing, and misogyny, one has to wonder if CCJ is giving GZ some sort of counsel.

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Co-dependency

Sharing wingnut welfare strategies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:06:20am

Mark Ruffalo retweeted my “Socialist Hellhole!” meme series, but I got a whole bunch of Derp in my mentions from this meme==>

Lots of Mark Ruffalo fans apparently have warm feels for the stabbies and think ISRAEL SHOULD BE STABBED ALL THE TIME!!!!!!

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:07:20am

Weiland’s drug problems had him in and out of STP a couple of times, and each time the DeLeos did a pretty good job of replacing him. The first time with Talk Show with Dave Coutts.

Talk Show - Hello Hello

And the second with Richard Patrick from Filter, in the criminally underrated Army of Anyone.

Army of Anyone - “Goodbye”

That album remains one of my favorites. Kretz and the DeLeo brothers had a very unique groove, from the earlist STP days. AoA should have been huge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:08:18am

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Mark Ruffalo retweeted my “Socialist Hellhole!” meme series, but I got a whole bunch of Derp in my mentions from this meme==>

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Lots of Mark Ruffalo fans apparently have warm feels for the stabbies and think ISRAEL SHOULD BE STABBED ALL THE TIME!!!!!!

When Right Wingers talk about Israel they talk about their idealized notion of what Israel should be, just like they do not talk about the historical Ronald Reagan but rather the iconic RR

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:08:58am

CNN is trying to out idiot Fox “news”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:10:09am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

When Right Wingers talk about Israel they talk about their idealized notion of what Israel should be, just like they do not talk about the historical Ronald Reagan but rather the iconic RR

I agree that Israel is not perfect and I don’t like Bibi but I have no patience for people who cheer on the Stabby Campaign. Stabbing random people in the street is terrorism, period.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:18:22am

GAAHH my mentions are full of assholes comparing Israel to “Nazi Germany”
Block, mute, rinse, repeat.

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weave  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:19:22am

So I do my best to read both liberal and conservative blogs — because, you know, I don’t want to limit myself to one source of information and try to make rational reasoned decisions.

But my God, Erik Erickson is fucking bat shit crazy…. (below is his mocking “liberals” for how they are defending the recent mass shooters… )

redstate.com

See. It was not poor little Farook’s fault. He was driven to it by his parents. We need to be understanding of him. The Washington Post goes on to paint a rather fawning picture of the quiet and “respectful” kid who loved Chinese food.

The media always does this to terrorists. Rolling Stone put the glamour shot of the Boston bomber on its cover as if he was a rock star. Now the Washington Post want you to know Farook was a hard worker, quiet, and and smiled.

The American left, time and time again, tries to rationalize that somehow they and/or American society caused these people to become terrorists. It’s not them. It’s us.

But this one really wins the prize….

redstate.com

Obama is Far Nastier to Christians Than ISIS

He’s mentally ill. There’s really something wrong there.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:20:19am

Food for thought:

From: How One Dad Got Lawn Darts Banned

The commission, which had already come under fire from parents and consumer groups for their lax regulation and high-profile injuries from ATVs and other products, went along with his suggestion. During their new investigation, they separated lawn dart injuries from all dart-related injuries for the first time, and found that most Jart injuries had been lost in their figures. Over a period of eight years, lawn darts had sent 6,100 people to the emergency room. 81% of those cases involved children 15 or younger, and half of those were 10 or younger. The majority of injuries were to the head, face, eyes or ears, and many had led to permanent injury or disability.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:20:34am

Good morning everyone though. I’m hooked on House of Cardsre: #323 weave

So I do my best to read both liberal and conservative blogs — because, you know, I don’t want to limit myself to one source of information and try to make rational reasoned decisions.

But my God, Erik Erickson is fucking bat shit crazy…. (below is his mocking “liberals” for how they are defending the recent mass shooters… )

redstate.com

But this one really wins the prize….

redstate.com

He’s mentally ill. There’s really something wrong there.

If Obama was nastier to Christians than ISIS, then you should be dead Erick rather than penning these pathetic delusions about how woe is me, I’m a conservative Christian in a society that allows gays to marry and Muslims to have the same religious liberties I have. He really is either mentally ill or a special kind of stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:21:25am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Food for thought:

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From: How One Dad Got Lawn Darts Banned

A friend made the point that you can’t buy a certain type of fertilizer or something like that because of the OKC Bombing in ‘95. What it comes down to is this, the gun lobby has politicians by the balls.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:23:23am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Food for thought:

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From: How One Dad Got Lawn Darts Banned

But lawn darts had no other function than to fly and stab into things! They were too dangerous by their own existence! Guns are totally different in that….um….um….LOOK OVER THERE, PP IS SELLING FETUS JUICE! STOP THEM NOW!

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:23:26am

So, NBC ran a live production of The Wiz last night. Watched it and was fascinated by the show in a way that its earlier live showings of the Sound of Music and Peter Pan didn’t.

It was genuinely good and engrossing. The cast more than matched the material, and the quality was fabulous.

And yet, there were plenty of racists out who thought that NBC did something weird to the story of the Wizard of Oz - that they purposefully blacked it or some other such nonsense. Yeah, these folks didn’t realize The Wiz was a hit Broadway show and then a movie back in the 1970s starring none other than Diana Ross and Michael Jackson.

Ignorants gotta be ignorant.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:24:48am

re: #320 Dr. Matt

I don’t think that’s far from the truth. I think that people who knew him long enough seem genuinely surprised at the way he changed. A former neighbor who did some government work told me once that he’s interviewed many people who can be manipulated. Sometimes they just sort of go along or go through the motions (like a gang that was going to attack targets in Miami) or they were serious (a gang that was going to attack a base in NJ).
Now we never went in this particular direction when we chatted, but it seems plausible that the wife may have been a plant, in the respect that the terrorist network felt he could be duped into bringing her back to the states and even convinced to take up arms.
That’s my guess, and that’s all it’s worth.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:27:27am

re: #328 lawhawk

So, NBC ran a live production of The Wiz last night. Watched it and was fascinated by the show in a way that its earlier live showings of the Sound of Music and Peter Pan didn’t.

It was genuinely good and engrossing. The cast more than matched the material, and the quality was fabulous.

And yet, there were plenty of racists out who thought that NBC did something weird to the story of the Wizard of Oz - that they purposefully blacked it or some other such nonsense. Yeah, these folks didn’t realize The Wiz was a hit Broadway show and then a movie back in the 1970s starring none other than Diana Ross and Michael Jackson.

Ignorants gotta be ignorant.

PC RUN AMOK! IT WAS BETTER IN MY DAY. But you know I like cultural changes on things. It’s neat. By the way finally caught up with you and Charles on Fargo last night. Wow what an episode. I laughed, I cringed, I everything.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:28:15am

re: #328 lawhawk

So, NBC ran a live production of The Wiz last night. Watched it and was fascinated by the show in a way that its earlier live showings of the Sound of Music and Peter Pan didn’t.

It was genuinely good and engrossing. The cast more than matched the material, and the quality was fabulous.

And yet, there were plenty of racists out who thought that NBC did something weird to the story of the Wizard of Oz - that they purposefully blacked it or some other such nonsense. Yeah, these folks didn’t realize The Wiz was a hit Broadway show and then a movie back in the 1970s starring none other than Diana Ross and Michael Jackson.

Ignorants gotta be ignorant.

I enjoyed The Wiz even though the concept originally made me uncomfortable—why can’t people of color get cast in traditional Broadway musicals unless it’s an “All Negro” cast like The Wiz or the Pearl Baily/Cab Calloway Hello Dolly.

I liked what they did with the futuristic Emerald City and the steampunk Witches Lair. The original “Wizard of Oz” is so iconic that they couldn’t get away with redesigning the costumes that we’re all so used to. I also liked the dancers (some of which were white BTW) not being all skinny and anorexic.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:28:24am

re: #328 lawhawk

Wingnuts are upset because there isn’t a White version of the The Wizard of OZ.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:29:46am

re: #332 Dr. Matt

Wingnuts are upset because there isn’t a White version of the The Wizard of OZ.

LOL that’s the Gay version.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:30:16am

re: #328 lawhawk

So, NBC ran a live production of The Wiz last night. Watched it and was fascinated by the show in a way that its earlier live showings of the Sound of Music and Peter Pan didn’t.

It was genuinely good and engrossing. The cast more than matched the material, and the quality was fabulous.

And yet, there were plenty of racists out who thought that NBC did something weird to the story of the Wizard of Oz - that they purposefully blacked it or some other such nonsense. Yeah, these folks didn’t realize The Wiz was a hit Broadway show and then a movie back in the 1970s starring none other than Diana Ross and Michael Jackson.

Ignorants gotta be ignorant.

It was a dick move to make Toto a pit bull.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:36:39am

Morning!

Looks like there was a bit of tension in this thread overnight. I guess I helped Dark_Falcon get his groove on defending Wayne and the NRA boys. No surprise there.

Sorry to hear about Scott Weiland, but he seemed to be on that road for some time. Another sad case of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll. RIP rocker.

It’s Friday. That’s something right?

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:38:00am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Yeah, except that there’s this pesky 2d Amendment thingy that entitles people to a right to bear arms. Never mind that the NRA has dropped out the bit about being a well regulated militia, or that the government has the right to limit the kinds of firearms.

Oh, and there’s folks questioning the very notion of mass shootings - some questioning how are there 355 mass shootings.

For one thing - mass shootings are not mass killings. By one definition of mass shooting, if someone shoots 4 people, that’d be a mass shooting, but it wouldn’t be a mass killing unless according to the FBI, 3 or more are killed.

So, in a shooting incident where dozens are wounded, but no one is killed, that doesn’t count as a mass killing, but it would be a mass shooting by one common definition.

Part of the problem stems from the lack of a definition by the FBI - so they don’t track that information either.

The right wing/NRA capitalizes on this by indicating that the problem isn’t nearly as bad as the left/Democrats claim.

In fact, the right was making the pivot this morning, when they were pushing back against the notion that mass killings are on the rise, or that mass shootings are even a problem as the murder rate by firearms is down.

Of course, that’s right after spending much of the summer complaining that the crime rates are skyrocketing, the sky is falling, and welcome back to the bad old days of crime running rampant. It’s true that some cities are seeing significant spikes in homicides, and even NYC is seeing a slight increase in homicides over last year, but the long term trend is still lower homicide rates.

The problem for the right is that there’s so much more that can be done to reduce the number of firearms fatalities, and they refuse to take even the slightest steps in that direction.

If closing gun show loopholes can reduce the firearm fatality rate by 3% (of the 33,000 killed annually as of 2013), that’s still another 990 people who’d be alive today. If improving background checks and seeing that firearms don’t end up in the hands of someone who is clinically identified as mentally ill can reduce the fatality rate by 5%, that’s 1,650 people who’d still be alive.

Every bit helps, and the GOP is doing nothing to even approach the issues on the margins. All the gun control might not stop every mass killing or mass shooting incident, but if it can reduce the overall firearms fatality rate, that’s still a good thing.

And reducing the fatality rates also has an added benefit of reducing health care costs significantly. It would help relieve ERs across the nation and reduce the indigent care load as well. Because more than 70,000 people are shot with non-fatal injuries - and those are costs that are borne as well. Between the fatal and non-fatal shootings, hospitals see nearly 100,000 cases every year. Many of these shootings don’t involve simple lacerations either. They involve major surgeries and intensive care. And rehab. And ongoing care thereafter.

So, reducing firearms fatalities/injuries has a major cost component too. For a GOP that claims that they’re fiscally responsible, they sure are irresponsible when it comes to health care costs (I know, what else is new given that they just pushed another repeal of Obamacare and PP funding).

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:38:04am

re: #334 Decatur Deb

It was a dick move to make Toto a pit bull.

Stereotypes play in both the right and left speakers. No one escapes that sound.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:40:32am

In case you missed The Wiz last night==>

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:40:59am

re: #331 The Vicious Babushka

The Mrs noted that last night’s version toned down some of the social commentary of the original/movie version. She’s right. They did. But it doesn’t make it any less relevant.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:43am

re: #337 ObserverArt

Stereotypes play in both the right and left speakers. No one escapes that sound.

people.com

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:53am

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Mark Ruffalo retweeted my “Socialist Hellhole!” meme series, but I got a whole bunch of Derp in my mentions from this meme==>

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Lots of Mark Ruffalo fans apparently have warm feels for the stabbies and think ISRAEL SHOULD BE STABBED ALL THE TIME!!!!!!

I remember the garbage that the Liberty Lobby used to publish in their “Spotlight” newspaper that repeatedly referred to Israel as a “Frankenstein Welfare State”…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:59am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Food for thought:

How One Dad Got Lawn Darts Banned

The Constitution does not guarantee the Right to Dart Lawns

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:42:13am

re: #336 lawhawk

Yeah, except that there’s this pesky 2d Amendment thingy that entitles people to a right to bear arms. Never mind that the NRA has dropped out the bit about being a well regulated militia, or that the government has the right to limit the kinds of firearms.
.

No Right or Amendment is absolute or limitless.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:42:17am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Are you saying that firearms are a defective product?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:43:11am

re: #344 Kent Dorfman

Are you saying that firearms are a defective product?

Lawn darts function exactly as designed.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:43:37am

re: #335 ObserverArt

Morning!

Looks like there was a bit of tension in this thread overnight. I guess I helped Dark_Falcon get his groove on defending Wayne and the NRA boys. No surprise there.

Sorry to hear about Scott Weiland, but he seemed to be on that road for some time. Another sad case of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll. RIP rocker.

It’s Friday. That’s something right?

Again? I don’t know what it’s going to take for him to take his partisan blinders off then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:44:40am

re: #343 Dr. Matt

No Right or Amendment is absolute or limitless.

Exactly, I can curse all I want in my home but a business is well within their rights to throw me out if I’m being disruptive. A business is perfectly within their rights especially when it comes to something like guns that can be a safety issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:45:16am

How we got from a “well regulated militia” to “the government has no right to restrict open carry!!!” is beyond the comprehension of any normal being.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:47:03am

re: #344 Kent Dorfman

Are you saying that firearms are a defective product?

If a bank guard shoots an armed robber dead, then his gun functioned as designed. That the designed function resulted in the robber’s death is irrelevant.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:48:29am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It makes sense once you realize that the NRA went from being a responsible gun ownership and training organization to one that pushes an extremist agenda that has bent the 2d Amendment to its will.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:50:10am

re: #350 lawhawk

It makes sense once you realize that the NRA went from being a responsible gun ownership and training organization to one that pushes an extremist agenda that has bent the 2d Amendment to its will.

Fighting obesity is not the task of the Banana Split Council.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:50:39am

The fact is and the gun lobby needs to get this is when car and airplane accidents were a problem. We took steps as a society to prevent them. Now have we erased car accidents and airplane crashes? No, it’s not a perfect world but we have cut them down from what tehy were a generations ago. There’s no reason at all the same cannot be done for guns in this country. No reason at all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:50:59am

re: #350 lawhawk

It makes sense once you realize that the NRA went from being a responsible gun ownership and training organization to one that pushes an extremist agenda that has bent the 2d Amendment to its will.

Not to mention racist as hell too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:51:42am

re: #350 lawhawk

It makes sense once you realize that the NRA went from being a responsible gun ownership and training organization to one that pushes an extremist agenda that has bent the 2d Amendment to its will.

And totally ignored the first clause of the 2nd Amendment in favor of the second clause.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:53:00am

re: #350 lawhawk

It makes sense once you realize that the NRA went from being a responsible gun ownership and training organization to one that pushes an extremist agenda that has bent the 2d Amendment to its will.

By terrorizing people into thinking they need 4 or 5 and 1000 rounds to keep the peace around their particular problem areas of the world.

Wiki - Law of the instrument

The concept known as the law of the instrument, Maslow’s hammer, Gavel or a golden hammer[a] is an over-reliance on a familiar tool; as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, “I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.”[1]

If you have a gun, then you need to shoot something, right?

(And if Dark_Falcon downdings this, he is missing the point!)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:54:47am

What honestly contineus to piss me off about the gun lobby is how insensitive to the victims of these crimes are. Take that NRA spokesman who actually blamed the pastor in SC for his own death because he opposed allowing weapons in churches as a legislator. That’s the kind of heartless attitude these fucks have and why I think part of the big problem is their complete inability to empathize with anyone who doesn’t worship guns like they do. The pastor no doubt had actually experienced gun violence before he was murdered by Roof. I see gun control (I prefer gun regulation) advocates called out of touch with rural residents who use guns in daily life, sure, they may be right about that but I’d conversely argue that a lot of those gun advocates are out of touch with people who experience violence due to guns all the time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:55:07am

re: #355 ObserverArt

By terrorizing people into thinking they need 4 or 5 and 1000 rounds to keep the peace around their particular problem areas of the world.

and by deluding people into believing that the government is tyrannical and only kept in check by the thought of armed resistance on the part of True Patriots

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:55:32am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and by deluding people into believing that the government is tyrannical and only kept in check by the thought of armed resistance on the part of True Patriots

There’s that too.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:55:40am

Except that is part of what Bush did - eliminating the ability to take blades (and countless other weapons/items) on board every aircraft. Along with armoring cockpit doors. And installing screening of various sorts at the airport.

So yeah, right is still wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:22am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and by deluding people into believing that the government is tyrannical and only kept in check by the thought of armed resistance on the part of True Patriots

PAYING TAXES IS TEH TYRANNY BUT POLICE HAS ALL TEH RIGHTS TO KILL BLACK KIDS WHO SHOPLIFT!!!!1!!!!

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:47am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and by deluding people into believing that the government is tyrannical and only kept in check by the thought of armed resistance on the part of True Patriots

Well, you got to add some nobility to the whole process. Makes the owner feel a special power, a part of the American way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:56am

re: #359 lawhawk

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Except that is part of what Bush did - eliminating the ability to take blades (and countless other weapons/items) on board every aircraft. Along with armoring cockpit doors. And installing screening of various sorts at the airport.

So yeah, right is still wrong.

Correct. I am sorry but it should be painfully obvious that the status quo isn’t working. It really should. This is a problem. It’s a real problem when mass shootings have become almost casual and I guarantee tehre will be at least one other massive one before Christmas Day.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:58:19am

re: #361 ObserverArt

Well, you got to add some nobility to the whole process. Makes the owner feel a special power, a part of the American way.

And then you have those who add religion to it. Jesus wants you to stockpile weapons.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:58:52am

re: #360 The Vicious Babushka

PAYING TAXES IS TEH TYRANNY BUT POLICE HAS ALL TEH RIGHTS TO KILL BLACK KIDS WHO SHOPLIFT!!!!1!!!!

It wouldn’t take five minutes to find a freeper/threeper with that in his timeline.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:03:29am

re: #324 Dr. Matt
I miss lawn darts. They were so fun. Sure you might stick one in the top of your kid sister’s head if you weren’t careful…but even walking carries risk.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:04:18am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

How about a $ 5 Federal tax per round of ammo?

We have a federal gasoline tax, why not an a ammunition tax to pay for all the times the ATF gets called up?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:05:25am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Correct. I am sorry but it should be painfully obvious that the status quo isn’t working. It really should. This is a problem. It’s a real problem when mass shootings have become almost casual and I guarantee tehre will be at least one other massive one before Christmas Day.

It is working to the satisfaction of those involved, just as the Israeli/Palistinian balance is working to the satisfaction of those involved. Such situations change when the cost of maintaining stasis becomes intolerable.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:25am

re: #365 darthstar

I miss lawn darts. They were so fun. Sure you might stick one in the top of your kid sister’s head if you weren’t careful…but even walking carries risk.

Put up signs in the impact zone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:59am

re: #366 Eric The Fruit Bat

How about a $ 5 Federal tax per round of ammo?

We have a federal gasoline tax, why not an a ammunition tax to pay for all the times the ATF gets called up?

That would guarantee a run on ammo the likes of which we have not seen since Obama was elected

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:08:19am

Could there have been a more ridiculous display of the gun issue in this country other than the Texan pol that was worried that Syrians refugees could come to this country and *gasp* buy a gun?

I guess he never thought about all the potential for bad crazy folks to do the same.

Maybe the California shootings on Wednesday make that all a bit clearer for the folks that haven’t thought this all through and major changes are coming from Wayne and the NRAers.

Wait. Now, I’m just spouting crazy talk…what am I thinking? Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:08:38am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That would guarantee a run on ammo the likes of which we have not seen since Obama was elected

We”ll see it again if Clinton becomes president. The assholes at the top will say she wants to take your guns just as they did with her husband and President Obama. It’s all a big fucking scam to keep their members intimidated and in check. It would be nice if the rank and file woke up to the fact that they’re being played for dummies.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:08:59am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

If a bank guard shoots an armed robber dead, then his gun functioned as designed. That the designed function resulted in the robber’s death is irrelevant.

Is the armed robber wearing one of those raccoon masks? I love it when bank robbers wear those masks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:09:17am

re: #370 ObserverArt

Could there have been a more ridiculous display of the gun issue in this country other than the Texan pol that was worried that Syrians refugees could come to this country and *gasp* buy a gun?

I guess he never thought about all the potential for bad crazy folks to do the same.

Maybe the California shootings on Wednesday make that all a bit clearer for the folks that haven’t thought this all through and major changes are coming from Wayne and the NRAers.

Wait. Now, I’m just spouting crazy talk…what am I thinking? Sorry.

He even complained about the easy access to guns. Well shitwad, whose fault is that. And it’s not like American born people shooting with guns hasn’t been a problem.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:09:44am

re: #368 Decatur Deb

Put up signs in the impact zone.

Only a good sibling with a lawn dart can stop a bad sibling with a lawn dart.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:09:54am

re: #372 darthstar

Is the armed robber wearing one of those raccoon masks? I love it when bank robbers wear those masks.

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I like it when he wears a pantyhose or stocking on his head, much more fashionable.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:11:59am

re: #366 Eric The Fruit Bat

How about a $ 5 Federal tax per round of ammo?

We have a federal gasoline tax, why not an a ammunition tax to pay for all the times the ATF gets called up?

Basically for the same reason we don’t have a prohibitive tax on the things required to, say, exercise free speech on the internet or to assemble in political parties or build churches. If you say you have free speech but it costs you (swag numbers here) 75% of your annual income to indulge it, do you really have free speech? Even the liberal justices on the SCOTUS would not accept a tax that would only allow the rich to have 2nd amendment “rights”. Note - normal taxes such as the 5.5% sales tax here in Wisconsin are not the same as this. But punitive taxes such as the one where you would attempt to place a $250 tax on a $20 50 round box of ammunition is not going to pass the legal challenges it would face.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:12:37am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I like it when he wears a pantyhose or stocking on his head, much more fashionable.

“It’s not pantyhose, it’s cheesecloth!”

…I completely forgot where I heard that before, but…

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:13:04am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I like it when he wears a pantyhose or stocking on his head, much more fashionable.

And shouts in a menacing voice, “This is a hold up! Reach for the sky!” Kids shudder, women swoon, men cringe…that’s the bank robber the guard can function his gun according to its designated purpose on for Jesus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:14:11am

re: #378 darthstar

And shouts in a menacing voice, “This is a hold up! Reach for the sky!” Kids shudder, women swoon, men cringe…that’s the bank robber the guard can function his gun according to its designated purpose on for Jesus.

And, of course, has a sack with a dollar sign on it. My daughter made one for her robber costume at Hallowe’en…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:15:00am

re: #379 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And, of course, has a sack with a dollar sign on it. My daughter made one for her robber costume at Hallowe’en…

Wouldn’t be a bank robbery without one.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:15:18am

re: #376 William Lewis

Basically for the same reason we don’t have a prohibitive tax on the things required to, say, exercise free speech on the internet or to assemble in political parties or build churches. If you say you have free speech but it costs you (swag numbers here) 75% of your annual income to indulge it, do you really have free speech? Even the liberal justices on the SCOTUS would not accept a tax that would only allow the rich to have 2nd amendment “rights”. Note - normal taxes such as the 5.5% sales tax here in Wisconsin are not the same as this. But punitive taxes such as the one where you would attempt to place a $250 tax on a $20 50 round box of ammunition is not going to pass the legal challenges it would face.

The 2nd guarantees the right to bear arms it doesn’t say anything about ammunition. //

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:18:46am

re: #365 darthstar

I miss lawn darts. They were so fun. Sure you might stick one in the top of your kid sister’s head if you weren’t careful…but even walking carries risk.

I really miss playing with lead. I used to go to the firing range and collect a bucket of bullets from the sand, go home and melt them in a pot on my grandmother’s stove. Then, after I cleaned out the pot, we’d cook poached eggs in it.

Those were the good old days. Lead in the fuel, lead in the paint & lead in my stomach.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:22:24am

re: #382 b_sharp

I really miss playing with lead. I used to go to the firing range and collect a bucket of bullets from the sand, go home and melt them in a pot on my grandmother’s stove. Then, after I cleaned out the pot, we’d cook poached eggs in it.

Those were the good old days. Lead in the fuel, lead in the paint & lead in my stomach.

The cringiest thing I ever ran into was an old printing shop that cast its own type from an open furnace that held about 5 gallons of lead/antimony. The printers had a nice roast wrapped in several layers of aluminum foil floating in it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:22:57am

re: #376 William Lewis

Very true. Normal sales taxes are all that could be levied, because they apply to a broad variety of merchandise. But a specific tax on ammo, or firearms themselves, would never pass Constitutional examination. Even gun license fees could not be punitive, for the same reason.

The only ways to limit access to firearms would be to restrict the kind of weapons sold — by federal law — and to make purchasing any firearm subject to a lengthy waiting period pending law enforcement checks. Legislators brave to propose such ideas would have highlight the “well regulated militia” part of the 2nd Amendment, because the NRA and the gun lovers would scream holy hell about any restrictions at all.

And I don’t see any of it happening. Ever. We’ve had presidents shot. Congressmen shot. Little kids shot. Elderly church goers shot. And I can still go to a Wal-mart in most states, plunk down money, and a few days later (if that) bring home a firearm. Or buy one online, or at some gun show, without even dealing with police checks and waiting periods.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:25:10am

re: #382 b_sharp

I have heard a hypothesis that the drop in violence since the 70’s and 80’s is the result of unleaded gasoline coming on the scene, and taking lead out of the environment.

Have there been studies on that?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:25:44am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

The cringiest thing I ever ran into was an old printing shop that cast its own type from an open furnace that held about 5 gallons of lead/antimony. The printers had a nice roast wrapped in several layers of aluminum foil floating in it.

Mmmm. Roast beef au plombe. Exquisite!

Linotype operators sat next to molten lead/antimony several hours a day. Can’t have been good for their health.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:26:44am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I like it when he wears a pantyhose or stocking on his head, much more fashionable.

From one of the early Coen Brothers madcap comedies.

Raising Arizona (4/5) Movie CLIP - Picking up Diapers (1987) HD

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:30:04am

re: #385 The War TARDIS

I have heard that too, in some ways it makes sense. Especially when you consider there were no resources in schools at the time to deal with kids with learning deficits, which leaves kids out of opportunities, thus leading to crime. Taking lead out of paint, fuel and other substances (there was lead in the glaze on Fiesta Ware for example) would naturally make a difference in a fairly short time.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:30:06am

re: #386 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Mmmm. Roast beef au plombe. Exquisite!

Linotype operators sat next to molten lead/antimony several hours a day. Can’t have been good for their health.

One of my jobs was with a paper that was transitioning from cast lead linotype to photogravure. The old machines were amazing—giant ‘typewriters’ fed from a long recycled ingot that slowly lowered into a gas melting pot. I copped some discarded ingots to make dive weights.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:31:13am

re: #385 The War TARDIS

I have heard a hypothesis that the drop in violence since the 70’s and 80’s is the result of unleaded gasoline coming on the scene, and taking lead out of the environment.

Have there been studies on that?

Not conclusive ones, although the correlation is definitely there.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:31:59am

re: #384 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I know. We used to have a 48 hour waiting period here in Wisconsin for handguns but apparently that was too much for our delightful governor.

As I said yesterday, I was turned onto the Czech Republic’s laws by a post of Dr. Lizzardo’s awhile back and would love to see that level of regulation here - it would go a long way to putting the “well regulated” back into the militia.

Gun politics in the Czech Republic

It is, of course, almost hilarious that they’re probably the most lenient in the EU but far more stringent than current US policy. And, I would argue, nothing in the licensing, education or registration requirements would be unconstitutional. But not acceptable for at least another generation or two… :(

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:32:55am

For a bit of good news, the BLS reported this morning that the economy created another 211,000 jobs in November, right on the monthly average for this year, and Octobers job creation number was revised upward to 298,000 jobs, while the unemployment rate remained at 5%. The economic recovery hasn’t been spectacular, but it has been very steady and consistent the last few years.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:33:02am

re: #388 A Mom Anon

I have heard that too, in some ways it makes sense. Especially when you consider there were no resources in schools at the time to deal with kids with learning deficits, which leaves kids out of opportunities, thus leading to crime. Taking lead out of paint, fuel and other substances (there was lead in the glaze on Fiesta Ware for example) would naturally make a difference in a fairly short time.

Seen reports based on the micro-geography of highways and pre-70s housing (paint). They are discussed as part of ‘the ecology of poverty’.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:33:45am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

One of my jobs was with a paper that was transitioning from cast lead linotype to photogravure. The old machines were amazing—giant ‘typewriters’ fed from a long recycled ingot that slowly lowered into a gas melting pot. I copped some discarded ingots to make dive weights.

The Linotype machines were a Rube Goldberg design.

I always found them extremely fascinating in how they worked. And the keyboard was so very odd. There was always the little cheat-sheet reminder of the different ways to get special characters, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:34:15am

re: #392 Big Beautiful Door

For a bit of good news, the BLS reported this morning that the economy created another 211,000 jobs in November, right on the monthly average for this year, and Octobers job creation number was revised upward to 298,000 jobs, while the unemployment rate remained at 5%. The economic recovery hasn’t been spectacular, but it has been very steady and consistent the last few years.

Considering where it was when President Obama took office and where it is now, I think he’s done a good job with it. Now i do think underemployment continues to be a problem but that’s harder for the President to do anything about IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:34:48am

traveltipy.com
My cousin shared this with me today. I’ve never seen anything like this before.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:34:52am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

If a bank guard shoots an armed robber dead, then his gun functioned as designed. That the designed function resulted in the robber’s death is irrelevant.

If the robber shoots a cop in the act of committing a robbery, the gun has also functioned exactly as designed. If a bystander is killed in the crossfire, the gun has also functioned exactly as designed. Good reliable friend gun.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:36:56am

re: #394 ObserverArt

The Linotype machines were a Rube Goldberg design.

I always found them extremely fascinating in how they worked. And the keyboard was so very odd. There was always the little cheat-sheet reminder of the different ways to get special characters, etc.

Linotype Machine

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:38:33am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

One of my jobs was with a paper that was transitioning from cast lead linotype to photogravure. The old machines were amazing—giant ‘typewriters’ fed from a long recycled ingot that slowly lowered into a gas melting pot. I copped some discarded ingots to make dive weights.

My dad had a friend who had a print shop. The friend gave me some slugs from some publications and ads he was doing. And on a field trip to Newsday, I got a slug that says, “Morningside Heights.” Still have it somewhere.

Linotype machines were a marvel of 20th century mechanics. Big clanky things that made it possible for compositors to lay out a newspaper in a fraction of the time than the old days of separate letters pulled from a “hellbox” and assembled into lines of type.

When I started in my newspapering days, everyone had switched from “hot type” to “cold type” — photo-compositing. Instead of lead slugs in a frame, we waxed strips of printed copy and “pasted” them on a layout sheet for the printer to use to create the plates for the press. Now all that layout is done on a computer screen, but the final step still requires photo-etching a plate for the press.

The old guys swore they could tell the difference between hot and cold type products. They said the hot type letters had sharper details and edges.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:39:57am

Watching the conversation evolve from one subject to another around here is fascinating.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:40:13am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Considering where it was when President Obama took office and where it is now, I think he’s done a good job with it. Now i do think underemployment continues to be a problem but that’s harder for the President to do anything about IMO.

U6 unemployment is at 9.9% which is down 1.5 points from 11.4% a year ago. The prerecession average is just below 9%, so its about a point above normal, and could get back there next year.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:40:27am

re: #398 No Country For Old Haters

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etaoin shrdlu — the letters were ordered by frequency in the English language

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:41:51am

re: #401 Big Beautiful Door

U6 unemployment is at 9.9% which is down 1.5 points from 11.4% a year ago. The prerecession average is just below 9%, so its about a point above normal, and could get back there next year.

Ah okay.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:42:23am

re: #400 b_sharp

Watching the conversation evolve from one subject to another around here is fascinating.

It’s what makes this place so much fun to hang out at.

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BigBadDemocrat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:43:41am

Question, as I do not have the time to post or read much but do think about things.
Why is it so easy for these people who shoot up places in Paris and here now in Calif. to communicate with one another enough to plan, buy guns and ammo, get instructions on building pipe /other bombs and other real bad things on the internet, twitter, Facebook and such. As they are planing killing others can we at least stop that? Seems easy for a novice in these matters. Thanks for any response.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:43:48am

re: #404 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s what makes this place so much fun to hang out at.

Speaking of ‘hanging out’, why do they put crappy zippers that never stay up on men’s jeans?

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:44:03am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

If a bank guard shoots an armed robber dead, then his gun functioned as designed. That the designed function resulted in the robber’s death is irrelevant.

Christ, if a toddler shoots his older sister, the gun has still functioned exactly as designed. Good reliable gun.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:45:02am

re: #406 b_sharp

Speaking of ‘hanging out’, why do they put crappy zippers that never stay up on men’s jeans?

My Wranglers jeans have good zippers. What brand do you have?

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:45:53am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:47:05am

Well in a OT note. I got some information back from the Slovenian archives. Did not know my grandfather’s father had a sister that emigrated as well. Feel very certain that I still have fairly close cousins in Slovenia after seeing that it appears that a good amount of the siblings stayed behind which leads me to believe I most certainly do have other albeit more distant cousins because of time on the other side of the family that are still in Europe. Yet another piece of the never ending puzzle added.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:48:16am

re: #405 BigBadDemocrat

Question, as I do not have the time to post or read much but do think about things.
Why is it so easy for these people who shoot up places in Paris and here now in Calif. to communicate with one another enough to plan, buy guns and ammo, get instructions on building pipe /other bombs and other real bad things on the internet, twitter, Facebook and such. As they are planing killing others can we at least stop that? Seems easy for a novice in these matters. Thanks for any response.

There is a Darknet — a hidden Internet that exists outside the usual services. Then, there are apps on mobile phones, encrypted emails, and old fashioned codewords to communicate with, too. The NSA monitors some of that, I’m sure, but it’s impossible to monitor every channel all the time.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:51:47am

Well, it’s late here, and my eyelids are getting droopy. ¡Hasta mañana!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:51:59am

re: #392 Big Beautiful Door

For a bit of good news, the BLS reported this morning that the economy created another 211,000 jobs in November, right on the monthly average for this year, and Octobers job creation number was revised upward to 298,000 jobs, while the unemployment rate remained at 5%. The economic recovery hasn’t been spectacular, but it has been very steady and consistent the last few years.

Thanks Obama!

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:52:29am

re: #408 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My Wranglers jeans have good zippers. What brand do you have?

I have a pair of no name Walmart jeans that I seldom wear because of the zipper.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:55:24am

re: #414 b_sharp

I have a pair of no name Walmart jeans that I seldom wear because of the zipper.

Well, there ya go, podner. Shop sales and buy Wrangler, Levis or some other “name brand.”

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:55:25am

re: #414 b_sharp

I have a pair of no name Walmart jeans that I seldom wear because of the zipper.

Get some name-brand jeans. They normally have zippers that lock in place when the tab is down.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:55:53am

re: #365 darthstar

I miss lawn darts. They were so fun. Sure you might stick one in the top of your kid sister’s head if you weren’t careful…but even walking carries risk.

And your sister probably deserved it anyway, amirite?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:56:14am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There is a Darknet — a hidden Internet that exists outside the usual services. Then, there are apps on mobile phones, encrypted emails, and old fashioned codewords to communicate with, too. The NSA monitors some of that, I’m sure, but it’s impossible to monitor every channel all the time.

Then there’s the fact that unless someone slips up at the right moment, authorities aren’t going to know to look at that person. Contrary to what people want to think, democracies don’t monitor people inside their borders constantly.

Plus, there’s this thing where people get together in the same place at the same time in meatspace, and there’s not much of an electronic signal to pick up. It’s kind of a strange concept, but it can be done.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:56:45am

re: #370 ObserverArt

Could there have been a more ridiculous display of the gun issue in this country other than the Texan pol that was worried that Syrians refugees could come to this country and *gasp* buy a gun?

I guess he never thought about all the potential for bad crazy folks to do the same.

Maybe the California shootings on Wednesday make that all a bit clearer for the folks that haven’t thought this all through and major changes are coming from Wayne and the NRAers.

Wait. Now, I’m just spouting crazy talk…what am I thinking? Sorry.

Corrected picture!
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Great White Snark  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:56:59am

Thoughts on that?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:57:44am

re: #418 Belafon

Then there’s the fact that unless someone slips up at the right moment, authorities aren’t going to know to look at that person. Contrary to what people want to think, democracies don’t monitor people inside their borders constantly.

Plus, there’s this thing where people get together in the same place at the same time in meatspace, and there’s not much of an electronic signal to pick up. It’s kind of a strange concept, but it can be done.

For better or worse, we claim to have shut down broad metadata gathering a week or so ago.

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mr.fusion  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:57:56am

re: #414 b_sharp

I have a pair of no name Walmart jeans that I seldom wear because of the zipper.

Splurge and get a pair of Lucky jeans

Yea, you look at the price tag and think “$80 for a pair of jeans?!?!?!” —— and then you put them on and realize it’s money well spent

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:58:44am

Damn, it’s hard to get a pun cascade, boob or penis thread going here these days.

Seriously, we’ve all become so serious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:03am

re: #420 Great White Snark

Robert Dear could be described as self radicalized. Same as Boston Bombers/maybe SBDO couple. The flavor of radical hardly matters at all.

Thoughts on that?

Yes, Dear was certainly screaming out a political & religious message: “no more baby parts”. I saw nothing on the part of the Boston Bombers or the SBDO assailants other than a desire to kill.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:16am

NY Times now saying that the female suspect in the San Bernardino shootings pledged allegiance to ISIS on Facebook…

If you thought all hell broke loose on the right before, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…

nytimes.com

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:23am

re: #422 mr.fusion

Splurge and get a pair of Lucky jeans

Yea, you look at the price tag and think “$80 for a pair of jeans?!?!?!” —— and then you put them on and realize it’s money well spent

Do they come with codpieces?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:41am

re: #426 b_sharp

Do they come with codpieces?

I usually flounder in them

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:42am

re: #423 b_sharp

Damn, it’s hard to get a pun cascade, boob or penis thread going here these days.

Seriously, we’ve all become so serious.

I thought you were dangling out bait.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:58am

re: #385 The War TARDIS

I have heard a hypothesis that the drop in violence since the 70’s and 80’s is the result of unleaded gasoline coming on the scene, and taking lead out of the environment.

Have there been studies on that?

Yes.
motherjones.com

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:59:59am

re: #421 Decatur Deb

For better or worse, we claim to have shut down broad metadata gathering a week or so ago.

Gee thanks Snowflake.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:00:50am

re: #366 Eric The Fruit Bat

How about a $ 5 Federal tax per round of ammo?

We have a federal gasoline tax, why not an a ammunition tax to pay for all the times the ATF gets called up?

How about increased insurance rates for gun owners? They do it for smokers.
And how about calling negligent shootings just that, instead of “accidents?”

dailykos.com

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:01:39am

Cue the right wing frenzy that the DHS can’t vet anyone coming into the country.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:03:10am

re: #428 Decatur Deb

I thought you were dangling out bait.

Nice to see you bit.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:03:16am

re: #406 b_sharp

Speaking of ‘hanging out’, why do they put crappy zippers that never stay up on men’s jeans?

Because you should be wearing button-flies.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:03:44am

re: #425 Joe Bacon

NY Times now saying that the female suspect in the San Bernardino shootings pledged allegiance to ISIS on Facebook…

If you thought all hell broke loose on the right before, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…

nytimes.com

Until the right starts describing Dear as a terrorist, I’m not going to pay attention to them.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:03:50am

re: #432 lawhawk

Cue the right wing frenzy that the DHS can’t vet anyone coming into the country.

I assume the wife made this pledge after having lived in the US? But that won’t matter to certain RWNJs.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:04:40am

re: #422 mr.fusion

Splurge and get a pair of Lucky jeans

Yea, you look at the price tag and think “$80 for a pair of jeans?!?!?!” —— and then you put them on and realize it’s money well spent

I’ll put in a vote for Carhartt jeans. Very well made, nothing about the design that will go out of style in six months (or six years, for that matter), and pretty cheap (around $30).

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Great White Snark  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:04:50am

re: #430 William Lewis

Gee thanks Snowflake.

True, fruit of the poison tree and all. But I do believe that a lot like ground troops in the M.E. it was a lot of power applied and just not helping much if at all. If we don’t watch how our agencies apply technology now, checks and balances won’t be enough. Almost were not this time.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:05:34am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I usually flounder in them

Used to be able to buy jeans like that for a fin.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:06:08am

I feel terrible for their child.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:07:47am

re: #432 lawhawk

Oh, and apparently, this pledge took place during the attack?

And yet, there are reports also indicate no indication of radicalization, even as authorities have found evidence that the attackers damaged/destroyed certain electronics to cover their trail (which goes to premediation, but not necessarily motive).

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:08:09am

re: #432 lawhawk

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Cue the right wing frenzy that the DHS can’t vet anyone coming into the country.

Isn’t it a bit ‘conflicted’ to pledge allegiance under an alias?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:08:30am

re: #420 Great White Snark

The end result is the same. Easy access to weapons is a huge issue but not the whole issue. The weapons are the immediate problem and it has to be addressed. But there are several other things that are going to take more time to undo. Mental health can’t be fixed overnight, nor can our culture, which IMO is the thing that gets lost in all this. Guns have become a “lifestyle” thing, it’s not just about sporting or protection at all anymore. There are magazines and as many accessories as any fashion line, there are clubs and even home décor, not to mention actual fashion choices that are not related to anything but a “coolness” factor. Guns are considered the first answer to any crime, from someone stealing a lawn ornament to simple shoplifting, even a heated disagreement. That comes from somewhere culturally/socially, not just mental illness. We have a problem and until we can talk about it without one side in particular losing their shit over it, this isn’t going away. Fix the laws first, and we can work on the culture long term. We didn’t get here overnight, it’s going to take hard work, persistence and time.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:09:15am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I feel terrible for their child.

I think her chances of a normal, happy life just improved.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:10:15am

re: #420 Great White Snark

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Thoughts on that?

But ISIS is going to scare the shit out of America.

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EmmaAnne  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:11:01am

re: #385 The War TARDIS

I have heard a hypothesis that the drop in violence since the 70’s and 80’s is the result of unleaded gasoline coming on the scene, and taking lead out of the environment.

Have there been studies on that?

I highly recommend the Cosmos episode on lead. It is a really riveting story about corruption versus good government (nothing would have ever happened if we had been under Republican rule at the time) as well as a brave scientist taking on everyone to better the world.

Sadly, the gun lobby learned well from this and from cigarette regulation. No science will be allowed to interfere with guns, and no liberals either if they can help it.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:12:43am

re: #407 stpaulbear

Christ, if a toddler shoots his older sister, the gun has still functioned exactly as designed. Good reliable gun.

There was a report here in Columbus this morning about a three year old boy found a gun in a bedroom upstairs and somehow ended up getting shot in the stomach. Luckily the kid is going to be okay according to Nationwide Children’s Hospital. It wasn’t too far away from my neighborhood.

Then the next report was about the police finding a guy who apparently killed himself one day after shooting dead his former girlfriend’s new boyfriend.

Then when checking the details to make this comment, nbc4i.com (NBC CH 4) I see there is an article that states: An investigation is underway in Waverly (OH) after a Pike County deputy says he accidentally shot and killed his neighbor.

That is just one morning news check, in one city in one state. What is the overnight total for all of America?

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BigBadDemocrat  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:13:03am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Then turn off or buzz cut said “darknet” ..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:13:14am

re: #444 Decatur Deb

I think her chances of a normal, happy life just improved.

I’m sure but that burden of knowing what mom and dad did when you were a baby. That’s gonna be tough. The upbringing though yes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:13:58am

re: #447 ObserverArt

There was a report here in Columbus this morning about a three year old boy found a gun in a bedroom upstairs and somehow ended up getting shot in the stomach. Luckily the kid is going to be okay according to Nationwide Children’s Hospital. It wasn’t too far away from my neighborhood.

Then the next report was about the police finding a guy who apparently killed himself one day after shooting dead his former girlfriend’s new boyfriend.

Then when checking the details to make this comment, nbc4i.com (NBC CH 4) I see there is an article that states: An investigation is underway in Waverly (OH) after a Pike County deputy says he accidentally shot and killed his neighbor.

That is just one morning news check, in one city in one state. What is the overnight total for all of America?

There’s too many incidents like that happen. It makes me glad that my brother does not keep a gun.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:14:41am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

I’m sure but that burden of knowing what mom and dad did when you were a baby. That’s gonna be tough. The upbringing though yes.

She’s said to be 6mos. She might never know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:15:33am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

She’s said to be 6mos. She might never know.

The Rosenbergs’ kids grew up fairly normal.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:16:33am

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Rosenbergs’ kids grew up fairly normal.

And the Duggars didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:16:41am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

She’s said to be 6mos. She might never know.

Yeah you’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:17:22am

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Rosenbergs’ kids grew up fairly normal.

I think I saw that one of their grandchildren has a documentary out. I may have to check that out. I’ve been watching a lot of documentaries in between my House of Cards binge watching.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:18:13am
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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:18:46am

re: #448 BigBadDemocrat

Then turn off or buzz cut said “darknet” ..

Not really possible without shutting down all of the net. The code is out there - originally made to a US Navy requirement, BTW - and there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle. There’s even a version for Android phones now…

Look for the TOR (The Onion Router) Project in Google if you want to learn more.

Freenet’s the other big name in those circles but TOR is harder for authorities - black hat and white hat - to crack. It’s very popular for communications in hardcore dictatorships.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:20:42am

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Rosenbergs’ kids grew up fairly normal.

Even more than “Strange Fruit”, that fact was Abel Meeropol’s greatest legacy.

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BigBadDemocrat  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:20:54am

re: #457 William Lewis

Start a new net where you can not encrypt.

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No Country For Old Haters  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:21:28am

re: #459 BigBadDemocrat

Start a new net where you can not encrypt.

BigBrotherNet?

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:21:31am

re: #459 BigBadDemocrat

Start a new net where you can not encrypt.

Literally (I use the word carefully) impossible.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:21:55am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There is a Darknet — a hidden Internet that exists outside the usual services. Then, there are apps on mobile phones, encrypted emails, and old fashioned codewords to communicate with, too. The NSA monitors some of that, I’m sure, but it’s impossible to monitor every channel all the time.

I had read somewhere some time ago a real easy method many terrorist used was a shared email account anywhere. They all have the password to log in and they can read a “draft” email that has never been sent to anyone. Once everyone has checked it out, the draft is deleted.

A simple method, hard to catch…unless the NSA has set up a way to go through accounts looking for drafts never sent.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:22:36am
Missouri is also home to some disturbingly high gun crime rates. St. Louis and Kansas City each rank in the top 10 U.S. cities with the highest rates of gun violence, and a recent report showed that toddlers shot more people in Missouri than in any other state.

A new bill from State Rep. Stacey Newman attempts to tackle Missouri’s gun violence problem by applying the restrictions placed on women seeking abortion services to all prospective firearm purchasers, such as a requirement that anyone buying a gun first watch a 30-minute video on fatal firearm injuries.

“Since Missouri holds the rank as one of the strictest abortion regulation states in the country, it is logical we borrow similar restrictions to lower our horrific gun violence rates,” Newman said in a statement.

The bill, pre-filed Tuesday for the 2016 session, is doomed to die in Missouri’s Republican-controlled legislature, something that Newman knows perfectly well. … But at a time when frequent mass shootings, such as Wednesday’s San Bernardino shooting that killed 14 people, have more Americans speaking up about access to firearms, Newman’s bill comes across less as an activist stunt than as a concerning contrast in legislative approaches to two public health issues.

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BigBadDemocrat  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:22:43am

Turn off and disable any phone that uses encryption not ok’d .

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:22:49am

re: #462 ObserverArt

I had read somewhere some time ago an real easy method many terrorist used was a shared email account anywhere. They all have the password to log in and they can read a “draft” email that has never been sent to anyone. Once everyone has checked it out, the draft is deleted.

A simple method, hard to catch…unless the NSA has set up a way to go through accounts looking for drafts never sent.

I had read about that method also.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:23:49am

re: #462 ObserverArt

I had read somewhere some time ago an real easy method many terrorist used was a shared email account anywhere. They all have the password to log in and they can read a “draft” email that has never been sent to anyone. Once everyone has checked it out, the draft is deleted.

A simple method, hard to catch…unless the NSA has set up a way to go through accounts looking for drafts never sent.

I believe that’s the method Petraeus and the woman he was having an affair with used as well.

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BigBadDemocrat  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:24:12am

re: #464 BigBadDemocrat

Any phone, or any devise using encryption.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:24:37am

re: #466 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I believe that’s the method Petraeus and the woman he was having an affair with used as well.

Betrayus learned something from the terrorists maybe?

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:25:04am

re: #464 BigBadDemocrat

Turn off and disable any phone that uses encryption not ok’d .

And how do you find them, pray tell, when even Apple with serious money at stake can’t keep people from rooting the iPhone?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:25:44am

re: #459 BigBadDemocrat

Start a new net where you can not encrypt.

Yeah….no. Being able to encrypt/decrypt data is highly important for any web based system that uses Personal/Confidential data. The whole reason encryption exists is to keep hackers and others from obtaining your personal information when you shop online or use any form of online banking among other things.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:26:26am

LEFTIST COMING FOR UR GUNZ!!!!!! HURR HURR THEY CALLED TRUMP A NAZI BUT THERE TEH NAZIS HURR HURR

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:26:26am

re: #423 b_sharp

Damn, it’s hard to get a pun cascade, boob or penis thread going here these days.

Seriously, we’ve all become so serious.

Yep. But that is what is happening in the world. Logical lack of control over the crazy does cause a lot of concern. This may not clear up until AT (After Trump).

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:27:06am

re: #466 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I believe that’s the method Petraeus and the woman he was having an affair with used as well.

Well, that certainly worked. (Yeah—the human is always the weakest link.)

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:27:13am

re: #459 BigBadDemocrat

Read this for me: 188 175 39 28 0 3 86 227 17 88 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 82 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 54 9 24 210 0 42 26 9 39 100 25 234 181 402 189 58 102 36 15 253 52 186 226 233 161 228 70 65 205 27 1 4 6 0 1 9 26 0 7 11 1 0 1 35 3 1 1 5 93 0 0 1 0 12 23 0 8 10 1 233 200 102 3 0 0 5 1 17 21 0 83 0 116 0 117 0 102 0 102 0 46 0 116 0 120 0 116 0 0 0 20 10 1 0 180 54 8211 253 175 46 209 1 21 6 1 0 32 0 0 0 0 0 .

They can build an internet where you can’t encrypt, and I can still send encrypted data.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:28:26am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

LEFTIST COMING FOR UR GUNZ!!!!!! HURR HURR THEY CALLED TRUMP A NAZI BUT THERE TEH NAZIS HURR HURR

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What a fucking tool bag this guy is.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:28:46am

re: #470 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah….no. Being able to encrypt/decrypt data is highly important for any web based system that uses Personal/Confidential data. The whole reason encryption exists is to keep hackers and others from obtaining your personal information when you shop online or use any form of online banking among other things.

At this point we’re getting into the “Be careful what you wish for” level of things.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:29:06am

re: #428 Decatur Deb

I thought you were dangling out bait.

He’s gonna need a bigger lure (worm?).

And I am gonna need to start running…but I have a pretty good head start. It is a long way from Camp B_Sharp to Ohio!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:29:34am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

What a fucking tool bag this guy is.

Before he goes to sleep he has to check under the bed for “leftists”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:04am

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

Before he goes to sleep he has to check under the bed for “leftists”

He really is pathetic. I feel sorry for his kids for having an asshole like that for a father I really do.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:18am

re: #476 William Lewis

At this point we’re getting into the “Be careful what you wish for” level of things.

I know nothing about crypto. But I have an abiding faith that what we collectively know is 10 years out of date.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:31am

re: #477 ObserverArt

He’s gonna need a bigger lure (worm?).

And I am gonna need to start running…but I have a pretty good head start. It is a long way from Camp B_Sharp to Ohio!

Boom.

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Thrazidun  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:35am

cnn.com

Investigators think that as the San Bernardino, California, attack was happening, female shooter Tashfeen Malik posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook, three U.S. officials familiar with the investigation told CNN.

I’m sure there is still no clear evidence of a link to religious fanaticism though right? Maybe if they had a tattoo of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on their ass? Would that do it for you?

Being snarky but I don’t like being attacked for something as clear as the nose on your face…

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:31:06am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Does Ben have a car, insurance and a driver’s license? A credit card, debit card and bank account? If so, then he’s already registered with the same information that would be in any gun registry. Facebook, Twitter, and his banking/credit card holder have more info on him than he has any clue about. Dumbass.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:31:12am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

“Nazi-hunted?”

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:31:19am

re: #462 ObserverArt

I had read somewhere some time ago an real easy method many terrorist used was a shared email account anywhere. They all have the password to log in and they can read a “draft” email that has never been sent to anyone. Once everyone has checked it out, the draft is deleted.

A simple method, hard to catch…unless the NSA has set up a way to go through accounts looking for drafts never sent.

It’s also excruciatingly easy to create One Time Pad encryption using modern computers and printers.

It remains the only mathematically UNBREAKABLE encryption.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:33:02am

re: #436 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I guess the wife had her fingers crossed when she took her oath of citizenship.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:34:01am

Did they hire Alex Jones’ lawyer?

talkingpointsmemo.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:34:46am

re: #483 A Mom Anon

Does Ben have a car, insurance and a driver’s license? A credit card, debit card and bank account? If so, then he’s already registered with the same information that would be in any gun registry. Facebook, Twitter, and his banking/credit card holder have more info on him than he has any clue about. Dumbass.

But its guns!

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gwangung  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:34:57am

re: #482 Thrazidun

cnn.com

I’m sure there is still no clear evidence of a link to religious fanaticism though right? Maybe if they had a tattoo of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on their ass? Would that do it for you?

Being snarky but I don’t like being attacked for something as clear as the nose on your face…

You were being down dinged when something was NOT as clear as the nose on your face. At the time, there were several competing hypotheses of varying probabilities, with all being non-zero.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:37:27am

Well, it’s late and all the beer that was in the fridge is now in my tummy. Plus I have to work tonight. So have a good day and I’ll check in to see what has popped up by evening.

Later lizards.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:37:41am

Okay, so with the speculation that a coworker might’ve been unable to separate his private and workplace spheres (he used to call muslims beasts, [bigoted word]s and other horrible stuff), and a long standing conflict between him and the perp(s) might have radicalized the latter, all sorts of interesting pretzel-esque psychological contortions crawl out of the woodwork.

“Bullying doesn’t exist.”
“Bullying is a codeword for parents to protect their speshul snowflakes while not teaching them to grow a pair.”

And worse. It’s gonna be a tough weekened :(

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freetoken  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:37:45am

re: #482 Thrazidun

So?

You seem to be fighting some phantom you think is hanging around here.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:38:04am

re: #486 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I guess the wife had her fingers crossed when she took her oath of citizenship.

Or maybe she came here with a little resentment towards how some in this nation treat Muslims. Then once she got here it was confirmed in spades what she had been told about our bloodlust for Muslim adherents. So she decided “fuck these haters and killers and their calls for our death”, and she became radicalized here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:38:52am

re: #484 jaunte

“Nazi-hunted?”

HURR HURR THEY CALLED DONALD A NAZI & THAT’S WORSE THEN BEING AN ACTUAL NAZI!!!!!11!!!!

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:39:42am

Fucking dog jumps up on my lap then farts.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:40:25am

re: #494 The Vicious Babushka

Godwin’s law has rocketed through the Overton window on its way to M-31.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:41:14am

re: #496 jaunte

Godwin’s law has rocketed through the Overton window on its way to M-31.

Definitely a cluster.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:43:35am

re: #486 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I guess the wife had her fingers crossed when she took her oath of citizenship.

Has she had time to become a citizen already?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:45:23am

re: #498 Big Beautiful Door

Has she had time to become a citizen already?

Not from what I’ve heard. She was still on a ‘Fiancee’ visa, AFAIK.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:45:30am

re: #470 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah….no. Being able to encrypt/decrypt data is highly important for any web based system that uses Personal/Confidential data. The whole reason encryption exists is to keep hackers and others from obtaining your personal information when you shop online or use any form of online banking among other things.

Hey, who needs e-commerce?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:45:42am

I just read Scott Weiland succumbed to his demons. :(

One of the best concerts I evern attended was STP.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:45:43am

re: #493 Eventual Carrion

Or maybe she came here with a little resentment towards how some in this nation treat Muslims. Then once she got here it was confirmed in spades what she had been told about our bloodlust for Muslim adherents. So she decided “fuck these haters and killers and their calls for our death”, and she became radicalized here.

I think that’s a stretch. My guess (which I expressed upstairs) is that she was already a terrorist sympathizer (or something like that) and hooked up with this idiot and then worked his ear (and other stuff) until he saw things her way.

As far as the attack, my guess is that they were planning something bigger until whatever confrontation occurred at the center, and they probably decided they better start shooting before the cops come to search the house. Syed probably felt it was a soft enough target. At that time of day (11ish am) there wouldn’t be any concerts or stuff like that going on and cinemas would probably be nearly empty.

That’s my amateur opinion.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:46:19am

re: #492 freetoken

So?

You seem to be fighting some phantom you think is hanging around here.

Butthurt over taking top spot in the bottom comments?

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:48:05am

re: #501 Stanley Sea Toujours

I just read Scott Weiland succumbed to his demons. :(

One of the best concerts I evern attended was STP.

Yeah, If you go up thread there are some comments and many STP videos. I know he had his problems, but it always bums me out when a life ends too soon no matter the cause.

And with that, I got some stuff to do…back later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:49:26am

re: #499 Blind Frog Belly White

Not from what I’ve heard. She was still on a ‘Fiancee’ visa, AFAIK.

So their child is a Terror Baby?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:49:45am

re: #492 freetoken

So?

You seem to be fighting some phantom you think is hanging around here.

Indeed. There’s no prize for being the first guy to shout ‘Terrorism!’, and those of us here prefer to go on actual data rather than prejudice. Sure, making judgements based on prejudice will sometimes give accurate results. Often they won’t.

More importantly, it’s simplistic and unhelpful to paint each incident with a broad brush. “Radical Islamic Terrorism!” tells us nothing about how and why Farook and Malik chose to do this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:51:20am

re: #505 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

So their child is a Terror Baby?

Daddy was a citizen, so I think not.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:51:34am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. There’s no prize for being the first guy to shout ‘Terrorism!’, and those of us here prefer to go on actual data rather than prejudice. Sure, making judgements based on prejudice will sometimes give accurate results. Often they won’t.

More importantly, it’s simplistic and unhelpful to paint each incident with a broad brush. “Radical Islamic Terrorism!” tells us nothing about how and why Farook and Tashfeen chose to do this.

What happened with Suspect 3, the survivor? Did he turn out to be a bystander?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:51:45am

re: #502 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think that’s a stretch. My guess (which I expressed upstairs) is that she was already a terrorist sympathizer (or something like that) and hooked up with this idiot and then worked his ear (and other stuff) until he saw things her way.

As far as the attack, my guess is that they were planning something bigger until whatever confrontation occurred at the center, and they probably decided they better start shooting before the cops come to search the house. Syed probably felt it was a soft enough target. At that time of day (11ish am) there wouldn’t be any concerts or stuff like that going on and cinemas would probably be nearly empty.

That’s my amateur opinion.

I was wondering about that too. He was estranged from his father and looks like raised by his mother and took her side in the divorce. Just a weird combination for someone who ended up killing a bunch of people for ISIS.

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No Depression  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:52:49am

All this shit about mass shootings and terrorism and the nastiness that follows it just exhausts me. Why is it so hard for people not to be raging and/or murderous assholes?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:53:16am

re: #491 Teukka

Okay, so with the speculation that a coworker might’ve been unable to separate his private and workplace spheres (he used to call muslims beasts, [bigoted word]s and other horrible stuff), and a long standing conflict between him and the perp(s) might have radicalized the latter, all sorts of interesting pretzel-esque psychological contortions crawl out of the woodwork.

“Bullying doesn’t exist.”
“Bullying is a codeword for parents to protect their speshul snowflakes while not teaching them to grow a pair.”

And worse. It’s gonna be a tough weekened :(

I had to deal with a bully as a kid, and I never got anything out of having to deal with it on my own. I’ve told my kids to talk to me if anyone is bullying them. Last night, my youngest told me about one he’s having to deal with. I tell them how they can deal with bullies, and I contacted his teacher, who was helpful.

There is no “toughening up” when having to deal with a bully alone. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be bullying you.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:53:39am

re: #508 Decatur Deb

What happened with Suspect 3, the survivor? Did he turn out to be a bystander?

Yes a bystander. Unfortunately he had an outstanding warrant for something so he’s in jail.

I’ve been hearing that she did become a citizen.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:54:02am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. There’s no prize for being the first guy to shout ‘Terrorism!’, and those of us here prefer to go on actual data rather than prejudice. Sure, making judgements based on prejudice will sometimes give accurate results. Often they won’t.

More importantly, it’s simplistic and unhelpful to paint each incident with a broad brush. “Radical Islamic Terrorism!” tells us nothing about how and why Farook and Tashfeen chose to do this.

And Thrazidun did not type “Radical Islamic Terrorism!”. He or she wrote ‘religious fanaticism’. Pot stirring, at best. It would be political fanaticism, similar to the nut in Colorado, in some ways.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:54:07am

re: #510 No Depression

All this shit about mass shootings and terrorism and the nastiness that follows it just exhausts me. Why is it so hard for people not to be raging and/or murderous assholes?

Because most people in the world still live in The Suck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:54:29am

re: #509 Timothy Watson

I was wondering about that too. He was estranged from his father and looks like raised by his mother and took her side in the divorce. Just a weird combination for someone who ended up killing a bunch of people for ISIS.

Was their murder spree somehow related to spreading terror among infidels? I think it was an act of revenge against his former employer that they sought to give some veneer of justification by applying jihadi teachings

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:55:22am

re: #511 Belafon

I had to deal with a bully as a kid, and I never got anything out of having to deal with it on my own. I’ve told my kids to talk to me if anyone is bullying them. Last night, my youngest told me about one he’s having to deal with. I tell them how they can deal with bullies, and I contacted his teacher, who was helpful.

There is no “toughening up” when having to deal with a bully alone. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be bullying you.

I was bullied in elementary school, and I remember the teachers and my parents and all other responsible adults telling me “When they laugh at you, laugh with them!”

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:57:12am

re: #516 The Vicious Babushka

I was bullied in elementary school, and I remember the teachers and my parents and all other responsible adults telling me “When they laugh at you, laugh with them!”

That could win a competition for ‘Least Helpful Thing To Say’.

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:57:25am

*facepalm*

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Great White Snark  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:16am

re: #518 Lidane

Islamophobe says what?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:32am

No Ben, that not “Reality” as in actual realness. That is a cartoon on South Park that makes fun of people with delusions about themselves and others. For example “South Park Reality” would say to you OH YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A LEFTIST GIRL

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:40am

re: #518 Lidane

*facepalm*

[Embedded content]

Weren’t mots of them single?

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:02am

re: #515 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Was their murder spree somehow related to spreading terror among infidels? I think it was an act of revenge against his former employer that they sought to give some veneer of justification by applying jihadi teachings

Maybe, some people seem to get involved in terrorist groups for grievances that seem somewhat minor. Yahya Ayyash (the “Engineer” of Hamas) ended up joining Hamas after Israel wouldn’t allow him to leave the West Bank so he could pursue a master’s degree in Jordan.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:16am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. There’s no prize for being the first guy to shout ‘Terrorism!’, and those of us here prefer to go on actual data rather than prejudice. Sure, making judgements based on prejudice will sometimes give accurate results. Often they won’t.

More importantly, it’s simplistic and unhelpful to paint each incident with a broad brush. “Radical Islamic Terrorism!” tells us nothing about how and why Farook and Tashfeen chose to do this.

A college in Oregon, a playground in New Orleans, a campground in Texas, a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, and this now in San Bernardino…

It’s not “political correctness run amok” when we point out that right wingers only care about one of these mass shootings. We’re noticing that it’s pure bigotry to wave off the victims whose killers weren’t muslim terrorists while obsessing about the ones who were. All the dead are just as dead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:32am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

No Ben, that not “Reality” as in actual realness. That is a cartoon on South Park that makes fun of people with delusions about themselves and others. For example “South Park Reality” would say to you OH YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A LEFTIST GIRL

[Embedded content]

I’d like to see South Park’s take on little shitheads like Ben. I imagine it wouldn’t be generous.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:40am

re: #518 Lidane

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:00:42am

re: #518 Lidane

He’s really getting the revanchists charged up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:01:22am

re: #524 HappyWarrior

I’d like to see South Park’s take on little shitheads like Ben. I imagine it wouldn’t be generous.

South Park has been doing a series on “PC Frat Bros” in which they portray a bunch of drunken white frat boys as “Social Justice Warriors”

In other words they are showing how people like Ben Shapiro and Steve Crowder would act if they suddenly became “PC” (still bullies)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:01:47am

re: #526 jaunte

Embedded Image

He’s really getting the revanchists charged up.

He really is a fucking asshole.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:09am

re: #525 lawhawk

Last night on The O’Reilly Factor Donald Trump pulled something out of his ass. At about 9 o’clock this morning, the truth put her pants on.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:19am

re: #516 The Vicious Babushka

My son was bullied relentlessly in both middle and high school. I only recently found out to what extent. I knew it was bad, I had no idea how much worse it was. It’s different now in many ways. Social media and video cameras in cell phones make things much worse, and in many ways it’s much meaner now. And violent. There’s also a larger social reward for being an asshole now. If what happened to my son had happened between adults at a workplace, people would have gone to jail and the employer would have had their asses sued big time. It left him devastated and he’s only now recovering almost 3 years later. He’ll always carry those scars though. It makes me want to hurt the adults that created the bullies and the assholes that did nothing to stop it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:30am

re: #527 The Vicious Babushka

South Park has been doing a series on “PC Frat Bros” in which they portray a bunch of drunken white frat boys as “Social Justice Warriors”

In other words they are showing how people like Ben Shapiro and Steve Crowder would act if they suddenly became “PC” (still bullies)

Ah okay, I haven’t watched any this season. Sounds funny.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:56am

re: #518 Lidane

Donald Trump: 9/11 attackers’ wives knew what was going to happen

Oh great. Another rabbit hole Trump will have all of us going down for the next two weeks.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:59am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

“Mr. Trump, most of the terrorists appear not to have had girlfriends or wives.”
“Well, neighbors, then?”

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:03:01am
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freetoken  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:03:01am

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Facebook is full of those kind of posts today, people gloating over some claim that they were right about the San Bernardino murders being Muslim.

As if that really, really matters.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:03:17am

re: #530 A Mom Anon

My son was bullied relentlessly in both middle and high school. I only recently found out to what extent. I knew it was bad, I had no idea how much worse it was. It’s different now in many ways. Social media and video cameras in cell phones make things much worse, and in many ways it’s much meaner now. And violent. There’s also a larger social reward for being an asshole now. If what happened to my son had happened between adults at a workplace, people would have gone to jail and the employer would have had their asses sued big time. It left him devastated and he’s only now recovering almost 3 years later. He’ll always carry those scars though. It makes me want to hurt the adults that created the bullies and the assholes that did nothing to stop it.

I got picked on too but not that badly. I did self-isolate though I have to admit. I also was mildly paranoid about people being friendly to my face but mocking me behind my back.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:03:54am

re: #525 lawhawk

Yeah but Trump saw a video….

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:04:15am

re: #522 Timothy Watson

Maybe, some people seem to get involved in terrorist groups for grievances that seem somewhat minor. Yahya Ayyash (the “Engineer” of Hamas) ended up joining Hamas after Israel wouldn’t allow him to leave the West Bank so he could pursue a master’s degree in Jordan.

Like a lot of frustrated punk kids in Germany who turn to the Neonazi scene because it pisses people off and gains them undue amounts of attention.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:04:15am

re: #537 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah but Trump saw a video….

/

Trump saw a video of Mohammad Atta telling his family what was going to happen!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:05:03am

re: #535 freetoken

Facebook is full of those kind of posts today, people gloating over some claim that they were right about the San Bernardino murders being Muslim.

As if that really, really matters.

Libtards are so ghoulish politicizing this tragedy and OMG I WAS SO RIGHT ABOUT THIS BEING MUSLIM SUCK ON IT LIBTARDS!!!

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:05:07am

re: #526 jaunte

Embedded Image

He’s really getting the revanchists charged up.

Sooo, we should invade Saudi Arabia?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:05:42am

IIRC one of the 1993 World Trade Center attackers had a wife who said she knew something weird was going on when her husband would meet his friends.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:06:01am

re: #530 A Mom Anon

My son was bullied relentlessly in both middle and high school. I only recently found out to what extent. I knew it was bad, I had no idea how much worse it was. It’s different now in many ways. Social media and video cameras in cell phones make things much worse, and in many ways it’s much meaner now. And violent. There’s also a larger social reward for being an asshole now. If what happened to my son had happened between adults at a workplace, people would have gone to jail and the employer would have had their asses sued big time. It left him devastated and he’s only now recovering almost 3 years later. He’ll always carry those scars though. It makes me want to hurt the adults that created the bullies and the assholes that did nothing to stop it.

As an autistic person who was relentlessly bullied as a kid for my ‘weirdness’ tell your son he’s not alone.

My grandson is autistic & went through a special class during his school years so the bullying was minimized. It would be nice if all kids could have the same.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:06:28am

re: #542 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

IIRC one of the 1993 World Trade Center attackers had a wife who said she knew something weird was going on when her husband would meet his friends.

Close enough for Trump work.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:06:34am

re: #541 Timothy Watson

Sooo, we should invade Saudi Arabia?

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No, Iran, because Iran is just like SA except it’s not.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:06:43am

re: #464 BigBadDemocrat

Are you then going to send your credit card data over that net? When people stop buying stuff on line because none of their financial data is safe what happens to all the commerce, and jobs, depending on that?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:07:11am

re: #540 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Libtards are so ghoulish politicizing this tragedy and OMG I WAS SO RIGHT ABOUT THIS BEING MUSLIM SUCK ON IT LIBTARDS!!!

And yet we’ve pointed out that every massacre has involved easy access to guns, and their response is SUCK ON IT LIBTARDS!!!

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:07:34am

re: #542 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

IIRC one of the 1993 World Trade Center attackers had a wife who said she knew something weird was going on when her husband would meet his friends.

Trump isn’t concerned with details, only the narrative he can push.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:07:50am

re: #547 Belafon

And yet we’ve pointed out that every massacre has involved easy access to guns, and their response is SUCK ON IT LIBTARDS!!!

WHY DO YOU WANT TO CONFISCATE ALL THE MILLIONS OF GUNS AND VIOLATE 2ND AMENDMENT?!?!??!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:09:23am

In the past, autism spectrum disorders weren’t as noticable. I keep on finding myself wondering about possible relatives who may have been on the spectrum but because no one knew much about it, they were just thought as weirdos or whatever. I myself wasn’t diagnosed until 2002 when I was a sophomore. I really wish I had gotten diagnosed earlier because frankly a lot of my social development had happened by then and it’s hard as you know to break old ways.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:10:43am

re: #543 b_sharp

He’s learning slowly that the world has assholes, but he doesn’t have to take shit from people and can pick and choose good people who have his back. He’s made some friends via the 2 programs he’s been in since high school and at his new job. But that first few months after graduation were awful, the bullies destroyed his sense of well being and his confidence. It’s a long road back, but he’s doing much better.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:11:18am

re: #511 Belafon

I had to deal with a bully as a kid, and I never got anything out of having to deal with it on my own. I’ve told my kids to talk to me if anyone is bullying them. Last night, my youngest told me about one he’s having to deal with. I tell them how they can deal with bullies, and I contacted his teacher, who was helpful.

There is no “toughening up” when having to deal with a bully alone. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be bullying you.

Yep. I know it from experience myself. It’s just fucking platitudes (pardon my french). When you target someone with bullying, especially if you bully the victim for something they have great difficulties changing or even can’t change, it’s gotta hurt the victim, and hurt makes bullying victims behave very erratically at times.

And a bullying victim is an easy target for all sorts of unsavourable characters, such as pedophiles and daeshbags.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:11:57am

re: #530 A Mom Anon

My son was bullied relentlessly in both middle and high school. I only recently found out to what extent. I knew it was bad, I had no idea how much worse it was. It’s different now in many ways. Social media and video cameras in cell phones make things much worse, and in many ways it’s much meaner now. And violent. There’s also a larger social reward for being an asshole now. If what happened to my son had happened between adults at a workplace, people would have gone to jail and the employer would have had their asses sued big time. It left him devastated and he’s only now recovering almost 3 years later. He’ll always carry those scars though. It makes me want to hurt the adults that created the bullies and the assholes that did nothing to stop it.

I told my son that he might have to deal with it a few more times and that he will need to not give into the demands of the bully. He says the other kid likes to do a quick slap when the teacher is not looking. The teacher is going to rearrange the class so that will be less likely to happen but, if it does, to do an exaggerated “OW!”

To tell you what kind of kid mine is, he told me that he was worried that if the kid stopped bullying him, the kid would just find someone else to bully.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:12:29am

re: #536 HappyWarrior

I got picked on too but not that badly. I did self-isolate though I have to admit. I also was mildly paranoid about people being friendly to my face but mocking me behind my back.

I was pretty lucky. I was a small, kind of weird little kid. But I went to small church schools my whole life until college and while that environment wasn’t a bully-free zone I somehow got on OK. Of course it was also a form of schooling that didn’t offer a lot of amenities.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:14:27am

re: #554 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I was pretty lucky. I was a small, kind of weird little kid. But I went to small church schools my whole life until college and while that environment wasn’t a bully-free zone I somehow got on OK. Of course it was also a form of schooling that didn’t offer a lot of amenities.

It wasn’t so bad really for me. I’m sort of the exception in some ways to ASD stereotypes- I wouldn’t call myself an athlete but a lot of kids on the spectrum don’t like team sports, I played baseball for a long time. Most of my classmates were nice to me honestly but there were a couple assholes that stand out but I don’t let that bother me.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:15:11am

re: #554 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I was pretty lucky. I was a small, kind of weird little kid. But I went to small church schools my whole life until college and while that environment wasn’t a bully-free zone I somehow got on OK. Of course it was also a form of schooling that didn’t offer a lot of amenities.

The bully I had to deal with was in the gifted program I was in. I was the only kid in the group of 7 that had come from the poor school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:16:56am

Is that the kid who likes to shoot endangered animals?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:17:44am

re: #516 The Vicious Babushka

I was bullied in elementary school, and I remember the teachers and my parents and all other responsible adults telling me “When they laugh at you, laugh with them!”

Didn’t work for me at all, I was constantly bullied in school and teachers just told me to take it like a man. Several teachers also joined in the bullying with the antisemitism.

College was a heavenly change of place!

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:21:45am

re: #474 Belafon

Or a book cypher using spreadsheet data.

To make things even more difficult you can specify typeface and size because Times New Roman 12 pt will give a different page/word count from Helvetica 15 pt.

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Ojoe  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:22:26am

Functionally the San Bernadino murders were terrorism, there’s no doubt of that. It is odd to quibble about a word at this point.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:22:46am

“News” business.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:23:24am
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:23:34am

re: #561 jaunte

“News” business.

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I’m watching on CNN. Bizarre.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:23:49am

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

Before he goes to sleep he has to check under the bed for “leftists”

I tell such people an easy fix.

Just as they lie in bed to go to sleep, roll a live hand grenade under said bed. They’ll never have to worry about leftists hiding there ever again.

Mostly/

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:24:14am

Well, that’s certainly a relief.

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freetoken  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:24:31am

re: #560 Ojoe

I’m more troubled by some people pounding on “Muslim”.

Any mass murder can be “terrorism” if the motive is simply to terrorize others.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:24:36am

re: #561 jaunte

OFFS. Seriously?

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:24:48am

re: #564 Romantic Heretic

I tell such people an easy fix.

Just as they lie in bed to go to sleep, roll a live hand grenade under said bed. They’ll never have to worry about leftists hiding there ever again.

Mostly/

No, buy a lot of surplus hammers and sickles, and hide them under their beds…. *ducks*

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:25:09am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:25:15am

re: #567 A Mom Anon

I’m not watching, just seeing it unfold on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:25:34am

re: #569 Stanley Sea Toujours

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People suck sometimes.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:27:03am

re: #569 Stanley Sea Toujours

There it is. If you can’t find a terrorist, attack a neighbor.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:27:49am

re: #565 jaunte

Well, that’s certainly a relief.

I don’t know. My kids had some toys that were shaped like the Arabic numbers that they played with at that age.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:28:45am

re: #573 Belafon

They’re inside the math!!!

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No Depression  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:29:01am

I feel like it’s only a matter of time before there’s a mass shooting at a mosque.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:29:51am

re: #510 No Depression

All this shit about mass shootings and terrorism and the nastiness that follows it just exhausts me. Why is it so hard for people not to be raging and/or murderous assholes?

Because hate makes a person high.

And hate is one of the last socially acceptable addictions.

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Great White Snark  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:30:20am

re: #420 Great White Snark

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Thoughts on that?

re: #560 Ojoe

Functionally the San Bernardino murders were terrorism, there’s no doubt of that. It is odd to quibble about a word at this point.

Further review-Those who have an interest in these attacks for exploitation to their cause will resist a less partisan big picture view. Won’t like my view as expressed. Fox needed this Islamic terror connection. Trump needed it for his anger mismanaged campaign. They need to add more sand under their feet. Sand that is my analogy for what supports bigotry for race and religion.

If we can extra screen Syrian-Americans, how about Carolinans? “Devout” Christians sure has different context in the common media than “Devout” Muslim. How fucked up is that?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:31:08am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:33:30am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:34:48am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:36:04am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:36:06am

re: #569 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Are they not reporting on the christian churches that were vandalized after the radical christian massacred people in Colorado Springs? Cover-up!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:36:59am

re: #560 Ojoe

Functionally the San Bernadino murders were terrorism, there’s no doubt of that. It is odd to quibble about a word at this point.

what sort of terrorism? was it to intimidate infidels? to promote the cause of Islam? what is gained by shooting up a bunch of ex-employers and disabled persons?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:37:10am

Genius.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:37:23am

Uggh. Just read the bit about MSNBC while eating a bit of lunch.

Welcome to voyeur America!

We can never seem to get enough…

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:37:45am

re: #569 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Kristallnacht, literally translated, means “night of broken glass.”

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:39:17am

re: #586 sagehen

Kristallnacht, literally translated, means “night of broken glass.”

And we all know what happened not too long after Kristallnach.
KZ’s and Vernichtungslager.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:40:37am

re: #587 Teukka

And we all know what happened not too long after Kristallnach.
KZ’s and Vernichtungslager.

I hope this was just some kids or assholes venting some rage and not people who would actually want to physically harm someone…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:40:50am

re: #499 Blind Frog Belly White

Not from what I’ve heard. She was still on a ‘Fiancee’ visa, AFAIK.

K1 Visa program. That was the same kind of Visa I used to come to this country. I suppose maybe I should be thankful I’m already here. I can hardly imagine what a headache it will be dealing with that now.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:41:21am
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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:41:39am

re: #588 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I hope this was just some kids or assholes venting some rage and not people who would actually want to physically harm someone…

With the hate the reich wing is pumping out… Wouldn’t surprise me if it is the latter.

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:42:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:42:44am

re: #591 Teukka

With the hate the reich wing is pumping out… Wouldn’t surprise me if it is the latter.

Thank god that most of them are puffed-up chickenshits, but there are still way too many dangerous ones on the loose

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:43:42am

Oh lord, I just almost accidentally posted a Breitbart link on my FB. Thank god I caught it in time!

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Franklin  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:44:32am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:45:37am

Terror cold cuts.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:45:38am

re: #560 Ojoe

Functionally the San Bernadino murders were terrorism, there’s no doubt of that. It is odd to quibble about a word at this point.

The quibble, as it were, is probably rooted in the refusal of the FBI to label Dylan Roof’s mass murder at the Mother Emanual Lutheran Church in Charleston as terrorism. That shooting was explicitly designed to instill terror in the black community, yet under law enforcement’s cryptic guidelines somehow wasn’t labeled as such. If that attack, where the target was specifically chosen to make an entire minority community feel no place was safe wasn’t terrorism, and this attack at a gathering of the gunman’s co-workers was, then we should really take a look at the racially disparate treatment of the two shooters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:45:52am

re: #592 Lidane

It breaks my heart to say this, but on my way to school today I experienced first-hand the fear & hatred against Islam. As I was driving, I have more than a few people roll their windows down to stick their middle fingers at me, near the Dunkin Donuts drive-thru a young white male threw his coffee at my car, and 2 F-250 trucks chanced me down on Jog Rd and tried to crash into my tiny Toyota Camry…

And this was in West Palm Beach, Fl.

My god we’ve got too many stupid fucks in this country.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:46:11am

re: #593 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Thank god that most of them are puffed-up chickenshits, but there are still way too many dangerous ones on the loose

The problem with this many chickenshits is the chance they turn into a mob.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:47:22am

The saddest news of day. Let’s deny it never happened.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:47:53am

re: #593 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Thank god that most of them are puffed-up chickenshits, but there are still way too many dangerous ones on the loose

Crossing fingers, stocking up on four-leaf clovers, rabbits paws and horse shoes, good vibes and thoughts, prayers…

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No Depression  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:47:56am

re: #592 Lidane

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I’m getting a pretty fucking negative impression of West Palm Beach right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:48:06am

re: #600 I Would Prefer Not To

Trying to figure out why the hell they would do this?

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:48:24am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:48:55am

re: #602 No Depression

I’m getting a pretty fucking negative impression of West Palm Beach right now.

I’m wondering how much worse it would have been in Alabama, Mississippi or Texas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:49:24am

re: #604 wrenchwench

Are all those people potential criminals now?

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nines09  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:49:40am

re: #604 wrenchwench

Couch Potato Porn. When reality TV is considered entertainment, this public display of everything wrong with media is candy.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:49:52am

re: #603 Eclectic Cyborg

Trying to figure out why the hell they would do this?

It’s easy. Who wants to spend the rest of your life knowing that your son/brother is a mass murderer.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:49:52am
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No Depression  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:50:03am

re: #605 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m wondering how much worse it would have been in Alabama, Mississippi or Texas.

As far as I’m concerned, Florida isn’t that far removed from those places.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:50:23am

No TV at work, but am I reading this correctly….both CNN and MSNBC are in the suspects’ home?! Why isn’t there law enforcement on the scene???

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:50:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:50:37am

This fucker is still using a graphic with my watermark on it for his avi.

OK Ima just sit back and let this fool beclown himself.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:51:23am

re: #606 Eclectic Cyborg

Are all those people potential criminals now?

I should think so, but are we just quibbling about the rights of terror suspects?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:51:32am

re: #560 Ojoe

Functionally the San Bernadino murders were terrorism, there’s no doubt of that. It is odd to quibble about a word at this point.

OK, so I assume you also think the attack on the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic was “functionally” terrorism as well, right?

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:53:36am

re: #578 jaunte

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:54:23am

re: #615 Charles Johnson

OK, so I assume you also think the attack on the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic was “functionally” terrorism as well, right?

If either of these were by definition “Terrorism” it is the CS PP attack from what we know for sure at the moment.

“the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims”

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:54:27am

re: #596 jaunte

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Terror cold cuts.

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot…

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:54:40am

re: #597 goddamnedfrank

Then there’s the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs from a few days ago. By any rational criteria that was terrorism, a mass shooting with an explicitly political motive overtly intended to instill fear in PP’s staff and clients. Yet there is a palpable reluctance on the political right and in law enforcement circles to label that attack as terrorism. That, like Roof’s attack in Charleston was called everything but what it obviously and undeniably was. One can’t help but attribute this to a deep antipathy for the target on the part of conservatives and because the shooter was white.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:55:09am

re: #619 Joe Bacon

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot…

Delta.
Alpha.
Foxtrot.
Uniform.
Quebec…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:55:51am

MSNBC: We’re not as bad as Fox yet but dammit, we’re trying!

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:55:51am

re: #615 Charles Johnson

OK, so I assume you also think the attack on the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic was “functionally” terrorism as well, right?

Seem to be getting some folks here aroused by this situation who had nothing to say about Colorado Springs. I wonder why that is.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:55:52am
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No Depression  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:55:58am

re: #617 lawhawk

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I see MSNBC is trying to catch up to Fox and CNN in the race to the bottom.

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danarchy  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:56:33am

re: #424 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, Dear was certainly screaming out a political & religious message: “no more baby parts”. I saw nothing on the part of the Boston Bombers or the SBDO assailants other than a desire to kill.

How about the note Dzhokzar left on the side of the boat?

“I do not mourn because his soul is very much alive. God has a plan for each person. Mine was to hide in this boat and shed some light on our actions,” he wrote, according to the photos shown to the jury by prosecutors. The note also said: “The U.S. Government is killing our innocent civilians but most of you already know that. As a M [bullet hole] I can’t stand to see such evil go unpunished, we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all. …”

“Now I don’t like killing innocent people it is forbidden in Islam but due to said [bullet hole] it is allowed.”

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:56:59am

Again with this stuff?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:57:02am

re: #598 Eclectic Cyborg

And this was in West Palm Beach, Fl.

My god we’ve got too many stupid fucks in this country.

Brings back memories of a couple weeks ago when I came to the aid of a pair of Muslim women who are being harassed by an ignorant teabagger.

In Los Angeles.

The worst is yet to come. I DREAD what that motherfather Trump is going to say today!

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:57:46am

re: #627 lawhawk

SwineMagick

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unproven innocence  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:58:06am

re: #329 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t think that’s far from the truth. I think that people who knew him long enough seem genuinely surprised at the way he changed. A former neighbor who did some government work told me once that he’s interviewed many people who can be manipulated. Sometimes they just sort of go along or go through the motions (like a gang that was going to attack targets in Miami) or they were serious (a gang that was going to attack a base in NJ).
Now we never went in this particular direction when we chatted, but it seems plausible that the wife may have been a plant, in the respect that the terrorist network felt he could be duped into bringing her back to the states and even convinced to take up arms.
That’s my guess, and that’s all it’s worth.

When your spouse is a pharmacist, trust matters more.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:58:34am

re: #627 lawhawk

Again with this stuff?

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As I said earlier, this is gonna be a rough weekend.

*SMFH*

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:59:12am

re: #407 stpaulbear

Christ, if a toddler shoots his older sister, the gun has still functioned exactly as designed. Good reliable gun.

A gun has only one purpose, and it does it well.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:59:30am

MSNBC encouraging the next vigilante to act.

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:59:48am

re: #575 No Depression

I feel like it’s only a matter of time before there’s a mass shooting at a mosque.

Boyfriend said that last Friday when we were at lunch and the Colorado Springs shooting started up. He wanted to know if it was happening at a mosque. “Nope, a Planned Parenthood.” He understands that kind of radicalism.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:01:20am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:01:27am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:01:41am

re: #633 jaunte

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MSNBC encouraging the next vigilante to act.

RedSteeze Twitter feed is very Chucklike. Just sayin’

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nines09  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:02:36am

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

NRA Board Member Nugent Calls For ‘Cleansing’ The Country Of Liberals

Poopy Pants Sweaty Teddy? Is this from prison? Or was it written before he died? You knew a pile of shit like Ted just had to stink out loud. Look at ME! Look at MEEE!!!!!!!!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:03:29am

re: #622 Eclectic Cyborg

MSNBC: We’re not as bad as Fox yet but dammit, we’re trying!

I can’t upding fast enough.

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Franklin  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:03:32am

re: #635 jaunte

Hold up.

Robert Durst is the landlord?

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:03:48am

The media at the home of the San Bernardino shooters:

Okay, boys. Let’s get some pictures - Airplane! (1980)

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:04:22am

re: #604 wrenchwench

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Wow. This is a day where I am REALLY, REALLY glad I failed the last class in the journalism program at the University of Texas at Austin 33 years ago this month. I didn’t graduate with a bachelor of journalism, which I’d have to be explaining over and over today. Thank the stars and galaxies!

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:04:28am

re: #640 Franklin

Hold up.

Robert Durst is the landlord?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:05:09am
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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:05:14am

re: #620 goddamnedfrank

Then there’s the Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs from a few days ago. By any rational criteria that was terrorism, a mass shooting with an explicitly political motive overtly intended to instill fear in PP’s staff and clients. Yet there is a palpable reluctance on the political right and in law enforcement circles to label that attack as terrorism. That, like Roof’s attack in Charleston was called everything but what it obviously and undeniably was. One can’t help but attribute this to a deep antipathy for the target on the part of conservatives and because the shooter was white.

Hell, CNN was talking about the “troubled youth” background of the Charleston shooter before they even knew his fucking name.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:05:52am

re: #635 jaunte

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HEADS ARE ROLLING AT THE FBI

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:07:58am
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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:08:34am

Oh boy, some Norwegian rag killed Santa:
dn.se

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:09:44am

re: #642 dholmes32

Wow. This is a day where I am REALLY, REALLY glad I failed the last class in the journalism program at the University of Texas at Austin 33 years ago this month. I didn’t graduate with a bachelor of journalism, which I’d have to be explaining over and over today. Thank the stars and galaxies!

Goes along with how I tell people that I’m glad I put my journalism education to better use in advertising, where there are some standards.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:10:07am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:11:15am

Terrorist popsicle.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:11:40am

Handle only by stick.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:12:03am

re: #652 jaunte

Terrorist popsicle.

Jihadsicle!!

*headdesk*

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:12:43am

You had one job!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:13:13am
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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:13:33am

re: #526 jaunte

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He’s really getting the revanchists charged up.

I was unaware that Keyser Soze was running for President.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:14:06am

re: #656 goddamnedfrank

You had one job!

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I’m not even a Jew and even I know that’s not a kosher move.

Tell me as it is, the world is circling the drain, isn’t it?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:16:58am

re: #660 Teukka

I’m not even a Jew and even I know that’s not a kosher move.

Tell me as it is, the world is circling the drain, isn’t it?

Where’s the world coming to when a Christian has to learn about other people’s religion? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:17:10am

It’s not even Farook’s apartment.
It’s his mother’s apartment.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:17:48am

Who the hell authorized this in the first place? Are media so hard-up for some salacious tidbit that they’re willing to ransack a home for a juicy detail.

And why have they chosen to do so here, and not say the Sandy Hook shooter, the PP shooter, or any other mass killer in recent years. Is that a function of how tightly police controlled the scene, or that the media decided the shooters background deserved this treatment.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:17:58am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:18:18am

re: #616 Teukka

OFFS…
Nugent: ‘Cleanse This Country’ Of Liberals Who Want People ‘Bending Over And Taking It In The Ass’

Cleanse? How very Nazi like of oyu Ted? Why don’t you take one of your guns and go fuck yourself with it?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:18:41am

‘Inside Edition’ paid a $1000 to get inside?!?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:19:00am

re: #665 HappyWarrior

Cleanse? How very Nazi like of oyu Ted? Why don’t you take one of your guns and go fuck yourself with it?

But only liberals are violent and hateful.

//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:19:24am

re: #666 Dr. Matt

‘Inside Edition’ paid a $1000 to get inside?!?

Fuck. Seriously?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:19:55am
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:19:56am

re: #662 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not even Farook’s apartment.
It’s his mother’s apartment.

What?

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:20:51am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

Where the fuck do they find people like this?

They manufacture them with their relentless stream of fecal matter labeled as “news.”

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:21:26am

re: #628 Joe Bacon

Brings back memories of a couple weeks ago when I came to the aid of a pair of Muslim women who are being harassed by an ignorant teabagger.

In Los Angeles.

The worst is yet to come. I DREAD what that motherfather Trump is going to say today!

And that’s what us good guys with a brain are going to have to do for quite a while.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:21:31am

re: #671 Teukka

They manufacture them with their relentless stream of fecal matter labeled as “news.”

I mean holy fuck is that someo f the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen form FOX and man that’s saying a lot.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:21:35am
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danarchy  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:21:44am

re: #651 Teukka

I’m not making this shit up, really…

Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich told host Bill O’Reilly on Tuesday that it was “racist” to claim “white privilege” existed, and that she confronted her whiteness by “going to the tanning salon.”

Ok, Katie Pavlich is an idiot, but I hate this crap. Seriously if you are going to quote her, just quote her. What she says is dumb enough as it is. You don’t need to pick one word from one sentence and one from another and a phrase from another in order to make her sound as ridiculous as possible.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:21:57am

re: #668 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck. Seriously?

That’s what the MSNBC stooge said.

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:22:17am

re: #673 HappyWarrior

I mean holy fuck is that someo f the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen form FOX and man that’s saying a lot.

So, a big turd floated by in the stream? *ducks*
*SMFH*

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:22:55am

re: #670 Stanley Sea Toujours

What?

Media (sorry) saying it’s the home of the shooters. Did the Mom live there too?

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:23:25am
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Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:24:47am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:24:59am

re: #659 Dr. Matt

Gawker has the video: MSNBC Reporter Rifles Through San Bernardino Shooters’ Apartment In Insane Live Shot

Andrea Mitchell: “There is something so strange about this”

YA THINK?!?

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:25:56am

Just got back online. (I’ve been moving my desktops around and generally re-configuring my system, such as it is.)
It would appear that MSNBC has been trespassing in a private residence and looting a crime scene in the process, on live TV no less.

Why haven’t these assholes been arrested yet?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:26:43am

Of course, someone on the network that tells its viewers repeatedly that racism that blacks doesn’t exist would have someone tell them that white privilege racist. Of course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:27:29am

re: #596 jaunte

Terror cold cuts.

re: #626 danarchy

How about the note Dzhokzar left on the side of the boat?

I missed that.

685
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:27:41am

re: #678 Stanley Sea Toujours

Media (sorry) saying it’s the home of the shooters. Did the Mom live there too?

They lived with his mother. It’s her place.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:27:48am
687
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:28:11am

re: #682 Shiplord Kirel

Just got back online. (I’ve been moving my desktops around and generally re-configuring my system, such as it is.)
It would appear that MSNBC has been trespassing in a private residence and looting a crime scene in the process, on live TV no less.

Embedded Image

Why haven’t these assholes been arrested yet?

Cops nowhere to be found.

688
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:29:05am

UpChuck is probably upset that he isn’t there, too.

689
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:30:04am
690
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:30:24am

re: #686 Kragar

This is what rock bottom of journalism looks like

for now. it will only get worse

691
HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:30:32am

rightwingwatch.org
Yes, Gohmert went there. Really this is your opposition party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:31:27am
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:31:27am

re: #682 Shiplord Kirel

Just got back online. (I’ve been moving my desktops around and generally re-configuring my system, such as it is.)
It would appear that MSNBC has been trespassing in a private residence and looting a crime scene in the process, on live TV no less.

[Embedded content]

Why haven’t these assholes been arrested yet?

Because we’re a nation of cowards.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:31:33am

re: #689 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Where’s the fucking cops? This can’t be legal.

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:32:28am

re: #663 lawhawk

And why have they chosen to do so here, and not say the Sandy Hook shooter, the PP shooter, or any other mass killer in recent years. Is that a function of how tightly police controlled the scene, or that the media decided the shooters background deserved this treatment.

White privilege extends even to terrorists’ families.

Remember the judge offering condolences to Dylan Roof’s mother, saying she’s a victim too and should be accorded sympathy and privacy? Some people’s moms are more equal than other people’s moms.

696
Franklin  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:33:32am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:33:39am

re: #695 sagehen

White privilege extends even to terrorists’ families.

Remember the judge offering condolences to Dylan Roof’s mother, saying she’s a victim too and should be accorded sympathy and privacy? Some people’s moms are more equal than other people’s moms.

Yep but white privilege is racist to say. //

698
ipsos  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:34:34am

re: #696 Franklin

And if the tenant is the mother, SHE’S NOT EVEN DEAD!!!

699
Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:34:39am

re: #688 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck is probably upset that he isn’t there, too.

He’s probably taking screenshots of everything to add the gotnews watermark to them.

700
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:35:17am

re: #694 Dr Lizardo

Where’s the fucking cops? This can’t be legal.

‘Tis Riverside Co.

As I said, heads are a-rolling.

701
Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:35:37am

re: #660 Teukka

I’m not even a Jew and even I know that’s not a kosher move.

Tell me as it is, the world is circling the drain, isn’t it?

Stuck in the drain U trap.

702
Franklin  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:37:06am

Follow up to my previous posted tweet by @moneyries

703
jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:37:53am

Terror popsicle, big bucks on creepy collector circuit.

704
Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:37:59am
705
Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:38:14am

According to dailykos.com, from Greg Sargent , FBI cleared the scene yesterday.

706
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:38:17am
707
Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:38:59am

re: #669 HappyWarrior

Where the fuck do they find people like this?

Rocks, turn over many.

708
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:39:54am

re: #656 goddamnedfrank

You had one job!

Embedded Image

I can’t stop laughing.

709
The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:40:10am
1. Person encounters materials from radical political organization and accepts their ideology and call to action.

2. Person plans and executes attack that advances goals of the aforementioned organization.

To me, the above makes you a terrorist, or at least attempting to conduct terrorism.

I have no problem saying San Bernadino was terrorism. I guess what makes me a horrible liberal softy is that I do care about what assumptions lie behind someone labeling it terrorism, and what conclusions are drawn.

That reactions are being set in to contrast with two other acts I would consider terrorism—the church shooting and the PP attack—is why I’m shutting the fuck up. The mitigation and justification used for those two show where the zeitgeist is…at least for a chunk of people with influence.

I have no idea what’s to come, but my pessimism is mounting and my strategic glibness reserve is depleting.

710
Great White Snark  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:40:22am

Okay who posts from Australia?

jezebel.com

711
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:42:58am

Random people are now walking through the apartment like it’s fucking Disneyland.

712
Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:42:58am

re: #687 Stanley Sea Toujours

Cops nowhere to be found.

Black kid probably playing with a nerf gun in a park somewhere that needs taken down.

713
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:43:10am

710? time for a new thread, Boss.

714
Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:43:28am

re: #710 Great White Snark

Okay who posts from Australia?

jezebel.com

Big Lizard In My Backyard, indeed.

Dead Milkmen - Big Lizard

715
GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:43:30am

None of these “reporters” went through Dear’s places. Wonder why.

716
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:44:01am

re: #715 GlutenFreeJesus

None of these “reporters” went through Dear’s places. Wonder why.

He’s not dead yet?

717
Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:45:30am
718
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:45:39am

GAH just blocked another “anti-Zionist” who thinks it’s perfectly reasonable to run around stabbing random people.

719
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:45:55am

re: #709 The Ghost of a Flea

I am finding myself retreating into either numbness or ennui. Hard to tell which. I’ve gotten real hard to shock anymore.

720
Dr. Matt  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:46:20am

I captured one of the “journalists” checking himself out in the mirror live on TV. See the guy in the tan suit with blue shirt behind Kerry.

Video/Gif

721
lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:47:02am

re: #715 GlutenFreeJesus

722
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:47:04am

In any case, the RW has succeeded. The discussion is not about mass shootings it is about Islam, terror and immigration.

723
Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:47:20am
724
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:48:08am

from earlier:

725
Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:48:34am

re: #709 The Ghost of a Flea

To me, the above makes you a terrorist, or at least attempting to conduct terrorism.

I have no problem saying San Bernadino was terrorism. I guess what makes me a horrible liberal softy is that I do care about what assumptions lie behind someone labeling it terrorism, and what conclusions are drawn.

That reactions are being set in to contrast with two other acts I would consider terrorism—the church shooting and the PP attack—is why I’m shutting the fuck up. The mitigation and justification used for those two show where the zeitgeist is…at least for a chunk of people with influence.

I have no idea what’s to come, but my pessimism is mounting and my strategic glibness reserve is depleting.

If.

726
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:48:51am

re: #724 Backwoods_Sleuth

from earlier:

[Embedded content]

Wait THE MOTHER is letting them in?

That’s fucked up.

727
Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:49:13am

So this just happened:

728
BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:49:46am

re: #711 The Vicious Babushka

Random people are now walking through the apartment like it’s fucking Disneyland.

[Embedded content]

Maybe some “You Tube Star” or “Instagram Sensation” will join them. Hell, they’re “media” as well. I am so disgusted with this, I can’t even see straight. Journalism is truly dead in this country. MEDIA has supplanted it.

729
Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:50:06am

re: #726 The Vicious Babushka

Wait THE MOTHER is letting them in?

That’s fucked up.

Mother isn’t the owner. They were leasing.

730
sagehen  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:50:25am

re: #726 The Vicious Babushka

Wait THE MOTHER is letting them in?

That’s fucked up.

no, the landlord.

731
Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:50:46am

Off to put up my religiously-neutral holiday lights in hopes my neighbors will mistake me for one of them. BBL

732
Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:51:06am

re: #727 Lidane

So this just happened:

Good.

733
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:51:09am

re: #726 The Vicious Babushka

Wait THE MOTHER is letting them in?

That’s fucked up.

Landlord

734
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:51:53am

no idea why that comment/tweet got posted twice.

735
Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:51:58am

re: #731 Decatur Deb

Off to put up my religiously-neutral holiday lights in hopes my neighbors will mistake me for one of them. BBL

I thought one year of putting up a display outside that explained the origin of some of the symbols used in Christmas.

736
wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:53:13am

re: #709 The Ghost of a Flea

my strategic glibness reserve is depleting.

We’re doomed!

737
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:53:47am

Time for some Riley Curry.

738
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:55:09am

Hey everybody, new thread! Pick up your stuff and let’s go!

739
Shiplord Kirel  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:55:51am

This is looting and trespassing, folks. Where are all those Korean store owners from the ‘92 LA riots? Too far away maybe, or could there be another reason?
//

740
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 10:58:25am

re: #739 Shiplord Kirel

This is looting and trespassing, folks. Where are all those Korean store owners from the ‘92 LA riots? Too far away maybe, or could there be another reason?
//

My first thought was it’s not looting because the landlord allowed it. My second thought was that everything in the apartment now belongs to their daughter, and one stranger just let a bunch of other strangers paw over it.

“What a world! What a world!”

741
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2015 • 11:06:22am

re: #729 Kragar

Mother isn’t the owner. They were leasing.

re: #733 Backwoods_Sleuth

Landlord

Oh. OK.

742
Kent Dorfman  Dec 4, 2015 • 11:23:08am

Terrorism

743
b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 11:24:47am

re: #731 Decatur Deb

Off to put up my religiously-neutral holiday lights in hopes my neighbors will mistake me for one of them. BBL

Nice.

Good planning for the attack on Christmas.

744
Jebediah, RBG  Dec 4, 2015 • 2:12:26pm

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Rosenbergs’ kids grew up fairly normal.

I had them both as professors in college. I thought both of them were great.


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