GOP Sen. Sessions Says It’s “Appropriate to Discuss” Trump’s Muslim Ban

The walk-back is well under way
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After initially making a big show of being horrified by Donald Trump’s call to ban Muslims from entering the US, conservative pundits and politicians are now executing an about-face. The talking point they seem to have settled on is that Trump’s astoundingly bigoted position is “opening a discussion” on this issue — with the implicit assumption that it’s actually worth discussing.

Call me cynical, but I thought they’d do it even sooner; I’m only surprised it’s taken them a few days to start the walk-back. Because let’s face it — bigotry, prejudice and racism are now some of the main defining characteristics of conservative ideology. Donald Trump didn’t create this; he’s simply exploiting and exacerbating a virulently xenophobic strain that’s always been there.

Here’s an example from Right Wing Watch; Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions first offers a weak caution about Trump’s ban, then proceeds to endorse it as an idea that is “appropriate to discuss.”

“Well, he’s treading on dangerous ground,” Sessions told Stephen Bannon on Breitbart News’ SiriusXM program this morning, “because Americans are so deeply committed to freedom of religion, that is a major part of who we are.”

“But,” he added, “at the same time, we’re in an age that’s very dangerous and we’re seeing more and more persons enter and a lot of them have done terrorist acts and a lot of them believe it’s commanded by their religion … So I think it’s appropriate to begin to discuss this, and he has forced that discussion. We may even have a discussion about it in Judiciary Committee today. But, you know, it’s time for us to think this through and the classical, internal American religious principles I don’t think apply providing constitutional protections to persons not citizens who want to come here.”

“As a principle, we want to be not condemnatory of other people’s religion,” he continued. “And there are millions of wonderful, decent, good Muslims, hundreds of millions worldwide, and so we’ve got to be really careful that we don’t cross that line and I guess Mr. Trump has caused us all to think about it more concretely.”

Nothing exposes the fraud of the conservative “religious freedom” talking points like their support of Trump’s call to ban Muslims from the US. In their world, “religious freedom” only applies to Christianity, and only the more extreme conservative versions.

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388 comments
1
I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 10, 2015 • 12:57:00pm

Please proceed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2015 • 12:58:00pm

Must resist urge to slam fist through screen…

3
Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:00:24pm

Actually, I’d love to hear Senator Wallace, I mean Sparkman, I mean Sessions discuss this piece of legislation. I’d love to see if he has any arguments in favor other than white supremacy, or any against other than it looks like “Segregation Forever!” all over again.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:00:40pm

All Lives Matter*

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:01:30pm

re: #3 Brian J.

Actually, I’d love to hear Senator Wallace, I mean Sparkman, I mean Sessions discuss this piece of legislation. I’d love to see if he has any arguments in favor other than white supremacy, or any against other than it looks like “Segregation Forever!” all over again.

“Segregation Forever” is what Roberts is taking care of. This is more “internment for a little while won’t hurt.”

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:01:34pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:01:47pm

This is the same shit we’ve heard time and time again, “Yeah, it sounds bad BUT he was right to start the discussion…,” and it’s always used to excuse remarks or proposals that once would have blackballed you permanently from a career in politics. First time I can remember was when Ryan first put his “Budget” out there, that was so toxic that Republicans would not sign on to it openly, before they quietly began their “Yeah, granny-starving is bad, BUT at least he started a discussion on it…”

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:04:10pm
“As a principle, we want to be not condemnatory of other people’s religion,” he continued. “And there are millions of wonderful, decent, good Muslims, hundreds of millions worldwide, and so we’ve got to be really careful that we don’t cross that line and I guess Mr. Trump has caused us all to think about it more concretely.”

I guess Mr. Sessions’ principles are putting on their concrete overshoes.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:04:14pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:04:29pm

Keep pushing it, assholes. One of today’s installments of non-existent Islamophobia:

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:04:41pm

I have to disagree with the assessment that “bigotry, prejudice and racism are now some of the main defining characteristics of conservative ideology”.
These aren’t conservative traits as much as they are GOP traits they got themselves trapped into by relying on and pandering to a 15 % slice of the voters for the past 30 years.
Strategy worked great till they rubes caught on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:04:41pm

…sigh.

No. This is never okay. This is not appropriate to discuss. This is a betrayal of what America is and stands for, and to embrace it just goes to show that your patriotism is a fake, hollow thing, easily shattered by fear and hatred.

Congratulations, GOP, you are letting the terrorists win.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:05:43pm

re: #4 jaunte

All Lives Matter*

*some conditions apply

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:06:07pm

But it’s too soon to talk about gun violence.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:06:30pm

Yet another reminder: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Jeb Bush all have anti-Muslim agendas that were well received by the GOP. Trump just went further with his anti-Muslim screed and stole their thunder.

Cruz reminded folks of his unconstitutional bent with a vote today.

Ted Cruz Votes Against Senate Resolution That Rejects Trump’s Proposed Muslim Ban - the others? GOPers Sessions, Vitter, and Tillis.

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:08:29pm

Hey Sessions I think it’s to early to talk about Trump’s Muslim Ban. Hell if gun advocates want to play that game after every mass killing in the U.S. then so can we. Let’s just call what Trump said by what is was, A very bigoted comment.

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:08:39pm

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…sigh.

No. This is never okay. This is not appropriate to discuss. This is a betrayal of what America is and stands for, and to embrace it just goes to show that your patriotism is a fake, hollow thing, easily shattered by fear and hatred.

Congratulations, GOP, you are letting the terrorists win.

Yep, any “discussion” of this ends with “Stop right there. Just shut up. Your ideas are not welcome in my country.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:09:08pm

re: #11 Oblongatis

I have to disagree with the assessment that “bigotry, prejudice and racism are now some of the main defining characteristics of conservative ideology”.
These aren’t conservative traits as much as they are GOP traits they got themselves trapped into by relying on and pandering to a 15 % slice of the voters for the past 30 years.
Strategy worked great till they rubes caught on.

I’m gonna go ahead and play the Godwin card now, this is the same sort of shit you read about in textbooks, the politicians who went along with Hitler’s lunacy because they saw political advantage to it. They went along with his hatred towards communists, and trade unionists, and eventually even signed onto the Jew hatred. Then he took over completely and they found themselves in one of two situations: Becoming his willing puppets or up against the wall.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:09:29pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Yet another reminder: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Jeb Bush all have anti-Muslim agendas that were well received by the GOP. Trump just went further with his anti-Muslim screed and stole their thunder.

Cruz reminded folks of his unconstitutional bent with a vote today.

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Ted Cruz Votes Against Senate Resolution That Rejects Trump’s Proposed Muslim Ban - the others? GOPers Sessions, Vitter, and Tillis.

I guess Cruz took a break from fundraising.

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lawhawk  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:10:02pm

Even Twisted Sister is reaching their breaking point with Trump. After giving him permission to use “We’re not going to take it”, Dee Snyder’s having second thoughts.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:10:32pm

Out of curiosity, did that resolution pass?

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:10:41pm

Just dress Muslim immigrants up as guns. GOP will be happy to let them in.

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:11:24pm

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Congratulations, GOP, you are letting the terrorists win.

And they’re fine with that. The longer the cycle of Middle-Eastern violence and terrorism continues, the longer they can use it to rally their base. Actually bringing peace to the region would harm their electoral strategy.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:11:46pm

re: #22 UrbanAchiever

Just dress Muslim immigrants up as guns. GOP will be happy to let them in.

Better yet, dress them up as fetuses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:12:03pm

I’m just waiting for some blue dog Democrat to come out in support of this.

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:12:32pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Even Twisted Sister is reaching their breaking point with Trump. After giving him permission to use “We’re not going to take it”, Dee Snyder’s having second thoughts.

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Not a first for them. After the Braves’ John Rocker made some discriminatory comments in an interview with Sports Illustrated, TS refused to let them use “I Wanna Rock” as his intro music.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:13:29pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m just waiting for some blue dog Democrat to come out in support of this.

*Paging Jim Webb. Jim Webb. Paging Jim Webb*

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:14:42pm

re: #23 Whack-A-Mole

And they’re fine with that. The longer the cycle of Middle-Eastern violence and terrorism continues, the longer they can use it to rally their base. Actually bringing peace to the region would harm their electoral strategy.

This is the party that spent years poking the USSR in the eye because the Cold War was beneficial to them politically. They made it patriotic to argue that if you weren’t pissing off the communists, you were defacto supporting them.

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TedStriker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:15:01pm

re: #23 Whack-A-Mole

And they’re fine with that. The longer the cycle of Middle-Eastern violence and terrorism continues, the longer they can use it to rally their base. Actually bringing peace to the region would harm their electoral strategy.

And give a Democratic administration a “win”.

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:15:28pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

While what you say has validity in relation to Trump. The walk back happening now is more of a reaction to the fact that they can’t lose the voters in favor of Trump without the their powerbase collapsing.
My comment was more to point out the GOP isn’t behaving like classic conservatives and we should tar all conservative with their mud.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:16:20pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

*cough* Manchin *cough*

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:16:30pm

re: #30 Oblongatis

While what you say has validity in relation to Trump. The walk back happening now is more of a reaction to the fact that they can’t lose the voters in favor of Trump without the their powerbase collapsing.
My comment was more to point out the GOP isn’t behaving like classic conservatives and we should tar all conservative with their mud.

You’re not going to find many classic conservatives around anymore. Most that didn’t sell their souls for cheap have either expired or have left politics in disgust.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:18:19pm
Americans are so deeply committed to freedom of religion, that is a major part of who we are.”

“But,” he added, “at the same time, we’re in an age that’s very dangerous

“Everybody’s got a big ‘BUT’, Simone. Let’s talk about YOUR big ‘but’.”

“Oh, Peewee! Nobody’s ever put it to me like that before!
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:18:29pm

re: #11 Oblongatis

I have to disagree with the assessment that “bigotry, prejudice and racism are now some of the main defining characteristics of conservative ideology”.
These aren’t conservative traits as much as they are GOP traits they got themselves trapped into by relying on and pandering to a 15 % slice of the voters for the past 30 years.
Strategy worked great till they rubes caught on.

I’m on the young end for the Lizards (and I’ll welcome you again hatchling in a thread folks will see it in!) and haven’t seen anything else from the supposedly conservative GOP. Maybe historically they were better and it wasn’t as conflated, but as things stand now, that’s the only GOP I’ve ever known.

It’s a shame, because the two party system sort of relies on both parties being sane.

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Interesting Times  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:18:54pm

re: #10 CuriousLurker

After making the mistake of clicking on a Facebook “trending” item, I discovered someone else you can add to your auto-block list (assuming he isn’t on it already):

Click to Reveal
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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:18:59pm

re: #26 Brian J.

Trump and Rocker would get along swimmingly, I imagine.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:19:00pm

re: #27 Dr. Matt

*Paging Jim Webb. Jim Webb. Paging Jim Webb*

*Chuck Schumer, you have a call on the white courtesy phone. Mr. Schumer, white courtesy phone.*

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:19:21pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Gimme ham on five hold the mayo.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:19:53pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

You’re not going to find many classic conservatives around anymore. Most that didn’t sell their souls for cheap have either expired or have left politics in disgust.

They all call themselves libertarians but ignore actual civil rights violations in favor of worshiping the free market?

Or am I getting my ‘conservatives’ confused again?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:20:29pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Even Twisted Sister is reaching their breaking point with Trump. After giving him permission to use “We’re not going to take it”, Dee Snyder’s having second thoughts.

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Guess Dee’s going to have to break his Kiss Donald’s Ass for all time Apprentice contract.

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Kragar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:20:37pm
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Kragar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:20:59pm
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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:21:17pm

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve gone the gambit from merely disagreeing with the GOP to WTF.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:21:43pm

re: #42 Kragar

GOP chaos is a win for America and the Democratic Party.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:22:17pm

Holy shit!!!

philly.com

Trump’s plan is not unconstitutional.
“Contrary to the claims of Trump’s critics, the power to suspend the admission of “any aliens or any class of aliens into the United States” is expressly reserved by statute to the president whenever the president finds that such admission “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”
“Despite vigorous assertions by talking heads that suspending the admission of Muslim immigrants would be unconstitutional, prior Supreme Court opinions clearly suggest that courts would reject constitutional challenges to any president’s proposed suspension of Muslim admission into the United States in accordance with U.S. law.”

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:22:47pm

re: #35 Interesting Times

After making the mistake of clicking on a Facebook “trending” item, I discovered someone else you can add to your auto-block list (assuming he isn’t on it already):

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Thanks. He wasn’t on my list before, but he is now.

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:23:31pm

re: #30 Oblongatis

While what you say has validity in relation to Trump. The walk back happening now is more of a reaction to the fact that they can’t lose the voters in favor of Trump without the their powerbase collapsing.
My comment was more to point out the GOP isn’t behaving like classic conservatives and we should tar all conservative with their mud.

Classic conservatives are as extinct as the dodo in US politics. What we have now in US conservatism are a large group of Palin/Trump rubes that want fascism, and a large group of other conservatives whose only commonality is endless denial, deflection and apologia about what the first group is up to.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:24:23pm

re: #41 Kragar

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Nothing would warm my cold, dead heart more than to watch the GOP spend the convention fighting over which shit sandwich they want to run against Hillary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:24:34pm

re: #44 Dr. Matt

GOP chaos is a win for America and the Democratic Party.

So, not good for John McCain?

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allegro  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:25:07pm

re: #30 Oblongatis

While what you say has validity in relation to Trump. The walk back happening now is more of a reaction to the fact that they can’t lose the voters in favor of Trump without the their powerbase collapsing.
My comment was more to point out the GOP isn’t behaving like classic conservatives and we should tar all conservative with their mud.

As long as the conservatives you defend keep voting for and financially supporting the current GOP then it’s their mud too. Own it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:25:16pm

Would trump weasel his way out of the appearance of supporting Stormfront should they officially endorse him?

We all know the answer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:26:05pm

re: #44 Dr. Matt

GOP chaos is a win for America and the Democratic Party.

Assuming they start losing elections. I’m not so sure that will happen on local/state levels.

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Interesting Times  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:26:22pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

Thanks. He wasn’t on my list before, but he is now.

He claimed to support Cruz rather than Trump, which (especially if you read the full comment thread for that tweet) only goes to prove that Cruz = Trump with a Senate seat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:26:53pm

re: #43 Oblongatis

I’ve gone the gambit from merely disagreeing with the GOP to WTF.

(psst! ‘gamut’, not ‘gambit’)

Welcome to the pedantry of LGF, hatchling!

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:27:12pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Exactly, the GOP isn’t a conservative party. Think I’d go with corporate whore.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:27:20pm

re: #50 allegro

As long as the conservatives you defend keep voting for and financially supporting the current GOP then it’s their mud too. Own it.

I would agree that conservatives outside the US probably have their own mud they can be tarred with. But the ones in the US who keep making excuses for the GOP or voting for them for lower tickets and ignoring the complicity (hi DF!) that this plays in supporting this bullshit at the highest levels …well, they definitely need to own their role in these fuckups.

Personal responsibility is just one of those things they pay lipservice to, though. Not an actual principle they believe in.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:27:29pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

Assuming they start losing elections. I’m not so sure that will happen on local/state levels.

We can place a lot of that blame on Dems staying home during midterm elections and the rest of the blame on gerrymandering. See point one to place blame for the gerrymandering.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:27:30pm

I think the only thing more hilarious to contemplate is Trump winning the nomination, getting his ass kicked at the polls next November, and then wingnuts spending the next four years actually arguing that he wasn’t “conservative enough.”

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:27:45pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

Nothing would warm my cold, dead heart more than to watch the GOP spend the convention fighting over which shit sandwich they want to run against Hillary.

I’m greedy. I want a GOP convention that is a shit show for the ages, followed by Trump running as an independent and setting up a scorched earth battle between the GOP base and the GOP establishment.

That would be a decent start at rolling back some of the many evils that movement conservatism has inflicted on the US.

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Belafon  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:28:16pm

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

Assuming they start losing elections. I’m not so sure that will happen on local/state levels.

A member of one of the groups I am a part of is running for Justice of the Peace. While she’s active in the Republican group, I would not have expected her to run. They must have convinced her to. I think that’s what the local Democrats need to start doing, not only getting people together, but encouraging members to run for offices, and telling them how.

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:28:35pm

re: #45 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Holy shit!!!

philly.com

Trump’s plan is not unconstitutional.
“Contrary to the claims of Trump’s critics, the power to suspend the admission of “any aliens or any class of aliens into the United States” is expressly reserved by statute to the president whenever the president finds that such admission “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”
“Despite vigorous assertions by talking heads that suspending the admission of Muslim immigrants would be unconstitutional, prior Supreme Court opinions clearly suggest that courts would reject constitutional challenges to any president’s proposed suspension of Muslim admission into the United States in accordance with U.S. law.”

Axiom: Anyone who blathers about things Obama said in a column theoretically discussing legal precedents should not be taken seriously, or at least not as anything but a cheerleader for partisan prejudice.

Although you’d think an author named Ting would at least have challenged whether the Chinese Exclusion Case of 1889 still counts as binding precedent.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:29:36pm
After initially making a big show of being horrified by Donald Trump’s call to ban Muslims from entering the US, conservative pundits and politicians are now executing an about-face.

Would you like to see my surprise face?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:30:12pm

I feel it is my responsibility to make this mod video known to our Lizards who play FO4.

Also it’s worth watching just for the hilarity even if you don’t play FO4.

Fallout 4: PEW Lasers Cinematic Trailer

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:30:50pm

re: #42 Kragar

I so want this to happen. Just for the shear spectacle of it. But for it to happen, somebody (or multiple somebodies) will need to beat Trump in actual primaries… and the polls are less than good on that point right now.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:32:08pm

re: #61 Brian J.

There is more than just the Chinese Exclusion Case of 1889 in that piece. Some decisions from the 1950s and 1970s are in there.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:32:17pm

re: #45 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Jan Ching-an Ting (Chinese: 丁景安; pinyin: Dīng Jǐngān，born December 17, 1948) is a Professor of Law at Temple University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was the Republican candidate for U.S. Senator from Delaware in the 2006 U.S. Senate election, but two years later Ting left the Republican Party in a dispute over his endorsement of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

Jan C. Ting » Departure from the Republican Party

In 1996, Ting was a delegate to the Republican National Convention and endorsed Bob Dole for president. In the 2008 primary elections, Ting was an advisor to Republican Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, and expressed support for candidates Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee. In the general election, however, he was discovered to have contributed to Barack Obama for president, observed attending a rally for Obama, and when asked cited his concerns about John McCain’s immigration policy and support for the Iraq War. In April 2008, Bill Sahm, the chair of the Brandywine Region of the Delaware Republican Party, summoned Ting to a meeting where he was asked about his support for the Democratic candidate and his 25-year membership on his election district’s Republican committee. As Sahm later recalled, Ting asked if he was being asked to resign from the Republican party; Sahm replied, “If you can’t be loyal, that might be best for all concerned.” Ting later referred to his resignation as an “expulsion”. […]

en.wikipedia.org

Apparently he’s an Independent now.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:32:57pm

re: #64 KGxvi

I so want this to happen. Just for the shear spectacle of it. But for it to happen, somebody (or multiple somebodies) will need to beat Trump in actual primaries… and the polls are less than good on that point right now.

Cruz is a potential spoiler for a Trump nomination, with Rubio a closer second. I’m of the opinion that Cruz will be the guy who wins the nomination on a “Trump-lite” platform, selling himself as being every bit as conservative but “more electable,” while Rubio will try for the VP spot as the “up-and-coming rookie.”

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:33:37pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I want a true nutwing to get their ass kicked to prove once and for all that …. oh never mind they’ll just find some other reason they lost that isn’t their fault.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:33:39pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

*some conditions apply

*contents may not match item shown on box.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:34:04pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Unless somebody comes up with research that trumps what he wrote, it doesn’t matter if Ting were Donald’s personal valet.

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:34:26pm

re: #65 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

There is more than just the Chinese Exclusion Case of 1889 in that piece. Some decisions from the 1950s and 1970s are in there.

I know, but I’m commenting specifically on the irony of a man named Ting, almost certainly of Chinese descent, ranting in support of acts meant to keep the Chinese (and other disfavored ethnicities) out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:34:44pm

Wondering how goes the legal tribulations of the Rage Furby.
It’s closing in on 24 hours since he’s posted anything on FB.
Or he’s still sleeping off yesterday’s drunken rampage.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:36:08pm

re: #53 Interesting Times

He claimed to support Cruz rather than Trump, which (especially if you read the full comment thread for that tweet) only goes to prove that Cruz = Trump with a Senate seat.

THIS. From yesterday:

Cruz: I’m not interested in attacking Donald Trump

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:36:15pm

re: #50 allegro

Not defending, auguring semantics.

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:36:23pm

re: #69 Oblongatis

I want a true nutwing to get their ass kicked to prove once and for all that …. oh never mind they’ll just find some other reason they lost that isn’t their fault.

Plus it’s hard to see how the GOP can lose really big in a presidential election, the way McGovern did in 1972 and Mondale did in 1984.

Zombie Adolph Hitler (R) would get at least 100 electoral votes from red states.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:36:41pm

re: #35 Interesting Times

After making the mistake of clicking on a Facebook “trending” item, I discovered someone else you can add to your auto-block list (assuming he isn’t on it already):

*Spoiler*

That’s just precious.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:37:02pm

re: #69 Oblongatis

I want a true nutwing to get their ass kicked to prove once and for all that …. oh never mind they’ll just find some other reason they lost that isn’t their fault.

Ayep, if Trump isn’t bashed as being “not conservative enough,” then the conspiracy theories will cover it by suggesting “voting irregularities” and “voter fraud” so widespread that it has to be a grand conspiracy. Just no way that they can be so far out of touch with reality to realize that their brand of lunacy is abhorrent to anyone with a functioning frontal lobe.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:37:49pm

re: #45 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The author is a board member with the Center For Immigration Studies:

CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials. CIS’ creation was part of a carefully thought-out strategy aimed at creating a set of complementary institutions to cultivate the nativist cause — groups including the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and NumbersUSA. As is shown in Tanton’s correspondence, lodged in the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Tanton came up with the idea in the early 1980s for “a small think tank” that would “wage the war of ideas.”
splcenter.org

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:37:50pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wondering how goes the legal tribulations of the Rage Furby.
It’s closing in on 24 hours since he’s posted anything on FB.
Or he’s still sleeping off yesterday’s drunken rampage.

Gawker’s legal team has probably picked themselves up off the floor after falling there laughing last evening, brushed away the tears of laughter from their eyes, and called for as many associates as they can muster to pad the bills Chuckles will eventually be called upon to pay.

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jaunte  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:38:55pm
“…Krikorian has had considerable success in giving CIS the look of a reputable commentator on immigration. CIS regularly sends experts to testify to Congress and is frequently quoted by the mainstream media. But every now and then, the mask slips.

In 2007, a year before his comments on Washington Mutual, Krikorian accepted an invitation to speak at the Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom. It apparently didn’t bother him that MSU-YAF had been widely covered in the media for a series of nasty stunts — staging a “Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day,” holding a “Koran Desecration” competition, and posting “Gays Spread AIDS” fliers across campus. He also didn’t seem to mind being part of the same speakers series that included Nick Griffin, a Holocaust denier who heads the extremist British National Party, and Jared Taylor, who says blacks are incapable of civilization.”
splcenter.org

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:39:59pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

Gawker’s legal team has probably picked themselves up off the floor after falling there laughing last evening, brushed away the tears of laughter from their eyes, and called for as many associates as they can muster to pad the bills Chuckles will eventually be called upon to pay.

Gawker’s lawyers can’t get too carried away with this, since it is unlikely that CCJ will be able to pay the judgements he will likely end up with.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:40:50pm

re: #71 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Unless somebody comes up with research that trumps what he wrote, it doesn’t matter if Ting were Donald’s personal valet.

I have a hard time believing that all the lawyers here and the ones in the media are wrong, and this one guy is the only one who got it right.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:42:26pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

I have a hard time believing that all the lawyers here and the ones in the media are wrong, and this one guy is the only one who got it right.

Especially when it is one guy with a very biased viewpoint.

I’ll agree that I’m not the right person to evaluate the legal argument he is making, and I’m not familiar enough with the legal cases to review and research the potential opposing arguments, but I’m not taking one essay written by someone with an agenda as gospel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:43:03pm

re: #82 EPR-radar

Gawker’s lawyers can’t get too carried away with this, since it is unlikely that CCJ will be able to pay the judgements he will likely end up with.

I guess that’s true. They could garnish his wages, but really, that and a $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee.

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:43:23pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

I have a hard time believing that all the lawyers here and the ones in the media are wrong, and this one guy is the only one who got it right.

Another point to note is that in the often-bad history of US immigration law, we’ve never (as far as I know) stooped so low as to have an explicit religious test for immigrants.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:43:41pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wondering how goes the legal tribulations of the Rage Furby.
It’s closing in on 24 hours since he’s posted anything on FB.
Or he’s still sleeping off yesterday’s drunken rampage.

Interestingly, Chuck apparently deleted a Facebook post he put up yesterday asking for someone to let him “crash” at their place in San Francisco because hotels make him sick. (Also known as, they cost money.)

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:43:42pm

I find myself marveling at just how many predictions made this time last year about the course of the GOP primaries were wrong. I don’t think anybody saw Trump being taken seriously as a candidate, let alone becoming the front-runner in such a commanding fashion. Most of us assumed it would be a race to see who could be the most in-tune with the wingnut base while remaining “electable.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:43:43pm

So, it appears Reince Priebus and the folks at the RNC have decided on going on ahead and setting up the small pup tent. Actually I should correct myself. They never took it down. They were just teasing us.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:44:23pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

THIS. From yesterday:

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Cruz’s entire strategy is to draft in Trump’s slipstream.

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:44:27pm

Excluding the citizens of one nation is a much different matter than a religious exclusion. While the exclusion of Chinese was based on racism it was worded as against a country rather than an ethnic group.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:44:38pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, Chuck apparently deleted a Facebook post he put up yesterday asking for someone to let him “crash” at their place in San Francisco because hotels make him sick. (Also known as, they cost money.)

Shit, he’s gonna be nearby? Better lock up the sheep.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:45:22pm

re: #79 jaunte

The author is a board member with the Center For Immigration Studies:

LOL, I had a sneaking suspicion that if I scratched the surface a little deeper I’d find rot, but I wasn’t in the mood to do a lot of digging. Thanks for the confirmation.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:20pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

It’ll be interesting to see what happens. If Trump loses Iowa (very possible), that could have an effect in the three other early contests (New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada). I could see that opening the door for Rubio in New Hampshire because he’d lose some of his inevitability polish. My guess is most of the candidates would drop out at that point and we’d be looking at somewhere between 3-5 candidates.

If it becomes a three man race between Rubio, Trump, and Cruz I’d figure Rubio has the best chance of capturing the most Republican primary voters who aren’t full blown crazies and are more the type who tune in every two or three years.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:22pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, Chuck apparently deleted a Facebook post he put up yesterday asking for someone to let him “crash” at their place in San Francisco because hotels make him sick. (Also known as, they cost money.)

That’s too bad, that post was gold, just gold.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:31pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:39pm

re: #91 Oblongatis

Excluding the citizens of one nation is a much different matter than a religious exclusion. While the exclusion of Chinese was based on racism it was worded as against a country rather than an ethnic group.

This.

And I find it unlikely that although the text of the first amendment clearly reads Congress, the Supreme Court would uphold rules set by the President to discriminate based on religion. (Although with the current conservative wing of the court, you never know…)

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:46pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Especially when it is one guy with a very biased viewpoint.

I’ll agree that I’m not the right person to evaluate the legal argument he is making, and I’m not familiar enough with the legal cases to review and research the potential opposing arguments, but I’m not taking one essay written by someone with an agenda as gospel.

Some of what I’ve seen on this point is sleight of hand by RWNJs. Some will argue that the US constitution does not provide any rights to non-citizens that aren’t in the US. This is true, but besides the point.

The first amendment prohibits an establishment of religion, and it is difficult to see how a religious test in federal immigration policy does not amount to an establishment of religion. IANAL, but it really does seem this simple to me.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:46:58pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

So, it appears Reince Priebus and the folks at the RNC have decided on going on ahead and setting up the small pup tent. Actually I should correct myself. They never took it down. They were just teasing us.

They’re making attempts to expand the tent, but every attempt is transparently insincere to everybody but them. Take Rand’s act upstairs, where he’s trying to fake sincerity and concern for black folks, when his record shows him as either thinking they’re the source of all their own problems or arguing that it’s wrong that discrimination is illegal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:47:16pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, Chuck apparently deleted a Facebook post he put up yesterday asking for someone to let him “crash” at their place in San Francisco because hotels make him sick. (Also known as, they cost money.)

It’s still there:

Facebook Post

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dholmes32  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:47:24pm

re: #91 Oblongatis

Excluding the citizens of one nation is a much different matter than a religious exclusion. While the exclusion of Chinese was based on racism it was worded as against a country rather than an ethnic group.

And I believe a religious test written into an immigration (or other) law would run headlong into the First Amendment and “Congress shall make no law…”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:47:47pm

re: #86 EPR-radar

Another point to note is that in the often-bad history of US immigration law, we’ve never (as far as I know) stooped so low as to have an explicit religious test for immigrants.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:48:16pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

So, it appears Reince Priebus and the folks at the RNC have decided on going on ahead and setting up the small pup tent. Actually I should correct myself. They never took it down. They were just teasing us.

I found the GOP’s Big Tent…

Step right this way!
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Lidane  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:48:49pm

re: #41 Kragar

The scene over at RNC headquarters:

Animal House - All Is Well!

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dholmes32  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:49:30pm

re: #102 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!!

Yeah, I printed out a passport application today. This is the kind of thing that makes me nervous.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:50:13pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Even Twisted Sister is reaching their breaking point with Trump. After giving him permission to use “We’re not going to take it”, Dee Snyder’s having second thoughts.

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There’s an interesting dynamic at work within Twisted right now.

While Dee is friends with Trump, Twisted’s founder Jay Jay French came out and flat-out called Trump a fascist a couple of weeks ago.

I’m glad Dee is reconsidering. TS are all good guys, and having them even tangentially involved with Orange Julius Caesar was starting to hurt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:50:38pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, Chuck apparently deleted a Facebook post he put up yesterday asking for someone to let him “crash” at their place in San Francisco because hotels make him sick. (Also known as, they cost money.)

also, it’s funny that he says hotels make him sick when it was the HAW who got sick (on her birthday!) when they stayed at a hotel (where he tweeted ahead of time that he wanted to spent time with her and wouldn’t be tweeting, but kept on tweeting the whole time from the hotel bar).

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:50:39pm

Rod Dreher has been derping all day on how the librul left is angry about Scalia saying that black students need a “slow track” instead of admission to elite US colleges…because, y’know, we really need to talk about this an’ all Scalia is doing is starting a conversation…

Now, Rod adds this little magical balance faerie gem in the last 1 minutes or so.

I had to laugh sympathetically at Steve Sailer’s notion of Trump’s Luck, which Sailer defines as “the pattern that whenever the national media announces that This Time, Trump Has Gone Too Far, the next day’s headlines will be about some outrage validating Trump’s general point.” Like so many of my fellow pundits, I have rolled my eyes at Trump all year, and figured he would be a footnote to the campaign by now. I watched his rally in Mobile this August, and could not understand why anybody would take this egotistical demagogue seriously. But here we are in December, and the man who was expected to be the GOP front runner, Jeb Bush, is in low single digits in the polls, despite all his money and GOP establishment cred, and Trump is dominating the race on the Right.

I commend to you again Noah Millman’s piece pointing out that Establishment politicians of the Left and Right are in many ways no better than Trump on the whole “fascist” thing. They just have a different way of talking about the things they do, to keep them respectable in polite society. In the end, I don’t believe that Trump is going to be the GOP nominee, and I believe that the American people will be forced to choose between a Democrat and a Republican who are the problem, not the solution. Don’t get me wrong here: Trump’s not a solution either. What his candidacy reveals, at least to me, is how little authority the US political establishment has.

Racist Steve Sailor reference is the perfect touch.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:51:10pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

Bigots welcome!

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EPR-radar  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:52:05pm

re: #105 dholmes32

Yeah, I printed out a passport application today. This is the kind of thing that makes me nervous.

I got a passport back in 1996 shortly after Pat Buchanan won the NH primary. It has since expired, since I don’t travel overseas.

If Trump wins any caucus or primary, I will get a passport again.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:52:21pm

re: #96 Dr. Matt

Looks like a Gadsden flag on top of that truck.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:53:06pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s still there:

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He’s going there “on business with an associate”—sounds very serious & grown-up (I rolled my eyes), then in the next sentence it all falls off a cliff and he sounds like a frat boy. You can’t make this stuff up. LOL

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:53:21pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Is that a mattress in the back?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:54:00pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah. I guess I didn’t scroll down far enough.

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Oblongatis  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:54:44pm

re: #101 dholmes32

Totally unconstitutional, however you could legally pass a ban on each Muslim majority county (looking at you Rand). While legal, wouldn’t accomplish what they want. Those sneaky Muslims hiding in otherwise good god fearing countries wouldn’t be banned.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:54:46pm

re: #113 UrbanAchiever

Is that a mattress in the back?

He had two propane tanks in the back.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:55:11pm

re: #106 makeitstop

Orange Julius Caesar

*SNORT* That one’s a keeper.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:55:20pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Looks like a Gadsden flag on top of that truck.

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I agree. And it looks like he was arrested in PJs:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:55:26pm

re: #108 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher has been derping all day on how the lebrul left is angry about Scalia saying that black students need a “slao track” instead of admission to elite US colleges…because, y’know, we really need to talk about this an’ all Scalia is doing is starting a conversation…

Now, Rod adds this little magical balance faerie gem in the last 1 minutes or so.

Racist Steve Sailor reference is the perfect touch.

The only thing racist about what my favorite supreme court justice said is you people pointing out how racist it is!!111 Because of you people I’m going to Go Galt go on the Benedict Option and then you’ll be sorry!!!1

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:56:08pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Looks like a Gadsden flag on top of that truck.

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another view:

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ipsos  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:56:25pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:56:41pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Looks like a Gadsden flag on top of that truck.

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Lidane  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:57:15pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is the American flag on his truck at half mast?

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:57:20pm

Sure, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, and while your’re at it do you think it would be “appropriate” to discuss repealing the 13th Amendment as well as the 1st? How about the 19th? I know you guys want that on the table.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:57:58pm

The base has spoken. They’re with Trump.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:58:28pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Sure, Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, and while your’re at it do you think it would be “appropriate” to discuss repealing the 13th Amendment as well as the 1st? How about the 19th? I know you guys want that on the table.

It’s all about just having the conversation….

//

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:58:30pm

re: #96 Dr. Matt

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His FB page.

facebook.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:58:33pm

re: #123 Lidane

Is the American flag on his truck at half mast?

Looks like it was just slipping down the pole.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:58:54pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

The base has spoken. They’re with Trump.

But Democrat Party created Trump….

//

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:59:31pm

Gotta take a break. BBL

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 1:59:58pm

re: #121 ipsos

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I wouldn’t let him in my house. Bastard would shit on the floor and blame the Greyhounds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:00:18pm

re: #127 Tigger2

His FB page.

facebook.com

Works at: Disabled

and posts militia and III% stuff.

He sounds reasonable…

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:00:19pm

re: #91 Oblongatis

Excluding the citizens of one nation is a much different matter than a religious exclusion. While the exclusion of Chinese was based on racism it was worded as against a country rather than an ethnic group.

Also, ethnicity (race) isn’t specified in the Constitution beyond the 15th Amendment right to vote. Subsequent protections have either been inferred via the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause, the 5th Amendment inferred EPA created in Boling v. Sharpe, or Congressional legislation like the Civil Rights Acts. On the other hand the 1st Amendment prohibition against government interference in religion is FAR more broad.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:00:43pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

The provision he’s relying on is 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) which says:

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

I haven’t actually read any case law on it. I’m not even sure there is any case law on it as it strikes me as something where there’d be a serious question of standing and whether the political question doctrine would be invoked.

Also, apparently this is something that President Obama used in Presidential Proclamation 8697, Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons Who Participate in Serious Human Rights and Humanitarian Law Violations and Other Abuses. And Carter apparently used it to bar Iranians during the hostage crisis.

That said, it may be technically constitutional, but that doesn’t make it good policy. Like the death penalty is technically constitutional (the due process clauses say no one may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without the due process of law, suggesting that some process is due that would allow one to be executed) but that doesn’t make it good policy. This is one of those spots where, from the legal perspective, it is very much a question of the details.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:01:04pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh! and bonus War on Christmas stuff!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:01:07pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:01:24pm

re: #134 KGxvi

The provision he’s relying on is 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) which says:

I haven’t actually read any case law on it. I’m not even sure there is any case law on it as it strikes me as something where there’d be a serious question of standing and whether the political question doctrine would be invoked.

Also, apparently this is something that President Obama used in Presidential Proclamation 8697, Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons Who Participate in Serious Human Rights and Humanitarian Law Violations and Other Abuses. And Carter apparently used it to bar Iranians during the hostage crisis.

That said, it may be technically constitutional, but that doesn’t make it good policy. Like the death penalty is technically constitutional (the due process clauses say no one may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without the due process of law, suggesting that some process is due that would allow one to be executed) but that doesn’t make it good policy. This is one of those spots where, from the legal perspective, it is very much a question of the details.

Wasn’t it just the other day that Republicans were falling over themselves to condemn Trump?

I remember those days….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:02:16pm

He even posted on Facebook that’s he’s homicidal. WTF

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:02:27pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Works at: Disabled

and posts militia and III% stuff.

He sounds reasonable…

They let disabled folks in the III%?

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:02:32pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Works at: Disabled

and posts militia and III% stuff.

He sounds reasonable…

Yep he has some pretty rightwing shit on his page, clearly a liberal. /

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:03:18pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

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Today’s not going to be his day either. Or any foreseeable future day.

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ipsos  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:03:37pm

re: #131 Blind Frog Belly White

I wouldn’t let him in my house. Bastard would shit on the floor and blame the Greyhounds.

I still have the gates left over from when the kids were little and before the dogs died. I certainly wouldn’t let him in any carpeted areas!

BAD CHUCKY! DOWN! DOWN!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:03:42pm

re: #140 Tigger2

Yep he has some pretty rightwing shit on his page, clearly a liberal. /

So, it’s not a tarp, it’s a False Flag!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:03:51pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

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None of his “friends” noticed this & reached out?

Suicidal & homicidal.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:04:27pm

re: #140 Tigger2

Yep he has some pretty rightwing shit on his page, clearly a liberal. /

Is this the Arkansas State person with the gun?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:04:27pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea Toujours

None of his “friends” noticed this & reached out?

Suicidal & homicidal.

With friends like that….

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:04:55pm

re: #134 KGxvi

The provision he’s relying on is 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) which says:

I haven’t actually read any case law on it. I’m not even sure there is any case law on it as it strikes me as something where there’d be a serious question of standing and whether the political question doctrine would be invoked.

Also, apparently this is something that President Obama used in Presidential Proclamation 8697, Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons Who Participate in Serious Human Rights and Humanitarian Law Violations and Other Abuses. And Carter apparently used it to bar Iranians during the hostage crisis.

That said, it may be technically constitutional, but that doesn’t make it good policy. Like the death penalty is technically constitutional (the due process clauses say no one may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without the due process of law, suggesting that some process is due that would allow one to be executed) but that doesn’t make it good policy. This is one of those spots where, from the legal perspective, it is very much a question of the details.

Of course, none of this covers attempts to scrutinize the religion of any of these nationals. There are tens of millions of Muslims living in non-OIC countries, and tens of millions of non-Muslims in OIC countries.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:05:30pm

OT, but has anyone noticed how as you close in on the end of the year, management seems to expect things to ramp up, but management itself (as well as every bit of infrastructure) winds down?

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:05:55pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Works at: Disabled

and posts militia and III% stuff.

He sounds reasonable…

The usual. There is getting to be a damn big pack of these lone wolves out there.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:05:58pm

re: #137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wasn’t it just the other day that Republicans were falling over themselves to condemn Trump?

I remember those days….

Well, in fairness to them, it’s one of those things where you hear it and just immediately think “wow, that’s stupidly racist and dumb policy” and then someone points out that it’s technically legal (which is the best kind of legal) and then it’s totally fine, especially because Trump’s primary numbers jumped up after saying it.

Wait “in fairness” isn’t the right term there, is it?

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:06:49pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go ahead and play the Godwin card now, this is the same sort of shit you read about in textbooks, the politicians who went along with Hitler’s lunacy because they saw political advantage to it. They went along with his hatred towards communists, and trade unionists, and eventually even signed onto the Jew hatred. Then he took over completely and they found themselves in one of two situations: Becoming his willing puppets or up against the wall.

Yep.

We didn’t know at all
We didn’t see a thing
You can’t hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
But we can’t bear the blame
Oh no not us, we didn’t know.

Sorry to keep pounding this song, but Tom Paxton wrote it in 1965, and the sentiments and situations haven’t changed much at all. His liner notes then (bolding mine):

Begun in the London subway on the way to a Trafalgar Square peace march, this song is a reflection of my preoccupation with fascism and what makes it tick, particularly in some quarters here in America. The traditional German cop-out is all too easy to spot. With the soldiers it was obedience to orders; with the civilians it was variations on a theme of “I was never a Nazi” and “We had no idea of what was going on.”

In Mississippi we have families who “know nothing” of lynchings, beatings and murders. In any case, there is “nothing they can do to stop it.”

Even our establishment press has published pictures of South Vietnamese troops “interrogating” a captured Viet Cong with the help of the water torture, beating them and dispatching them with .45’s.

Tell me you support the government’s policy if you like, but don’t try to tell me you didn’t know what was going on.”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:07:52pm

re: #134 KGxvi

The provision he’s relying on is 8 U.S.C. 1182(f) which says:

Seems like if that passage were applied to religion it would run directly against the interpretation of “establishment of religion” as defined in Everson v. Board of Education.

“The ‘establishment of religion’ clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between Church and State.’” 330 U.S. 1, 15-16.

No?

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:08:43pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea Toujours

None of his “friends” noticed this & reached out?

Suicidal & homicidal.

Here is the accident he was talking about in his rant yesterday.

Clearly the guy suffered physical trauma. Compound that with conservatism, paranoia over a Black president, and guns….well, shit like today happens.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:08:52pm

re: #134 KGxvi

Is there any thing in the definitions limiting what a ‘class’ can comprise? Otherwise that seems to grant exceptionally broad powers, like being able to exclude all lefthanded immigrants, or blue-eyed immigrants, or anything else the POTUS might deem ‘detrimental to the interests of the United States’.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:10:15pm

re: #147 Brian J.

Of course, none of this covers attempts to scrutinize the religion of any of these nationals. There are tens of millions of Muslims living in non-OIC countries, and tens of millions of non-Muslims in OIC countries.

Oh, don’t get me wrong - I think it’s stupid policy and likely unconstitutional (that’s a gut reaction based on zero research). It’d be almost impossible to enforce and a terrible precedent to set. I’m just pointing out the legal justification that wingnuts will use (and they’ll always find some legal justification, see: torture memos) and examples of Democrats using it (because of course).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:10:38pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:10:51pm

From previous dead thread

2013 update on “that old allegation” by the man at the center of it.

I was deposed in June 1981 as a result of a coup against me. After arriving in France, I told a BBC reporter that I had left Iran to expose the symbiotic relationship between Khomeinism and Reaganism.

Ayatollah Khomeini and Ronald Reagan had organized a clandestine negotiation, later known as the “October Surprise,” which prevented the attempts by myself and then-US President Jimmy Carter to free the hostages before the 1980 US presidential election took place. The fact that they were not released tipped the results of the election in favor of Reagan.

Two of my advisors, Hussein Navab Safavi and Sadr-al-Hefazi, were executed by Khomeini’s regime because they had become aware of this secret relationship between Khomeini, his son Ahmad, the Islamic Republican Party, and the Reagan administration.

csmonitor.com

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Teukka  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:11:11pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Looks like a Gadsden flag on top of that truck.

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No, that’s a “yellow rag”.

Librul media my ass.

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:11:14pm

re: #155 KGxvi

Oh, don’t get me wrong - I think it’s stupid policy and likely unconstitutional (that’s a gut reaction based on zero research). It’d be almost impossible to enforce and a terrible precedent to set. I’m just pointing out the legal justification that wingnuts will use (and they’ll always find some legal justification, see: torture memos) and examples of Democrats using it (because of course).

True. I had vague memories that Republicans thought Jimmy Carter was history’s greatest monster, before the Clintons and Obamas were invented…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:11:44pm

re: #156 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Not surprised. Yet another way the GOP sets the country back with their backass backwards bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:11:48pm

The same thing people are saying about our new wingnut governor in Kentucky.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:12:02pm

re: #156 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Well, that’s good news.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:12:09pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Not surprised. Yet another way the GOP sets the country back with their backass backwards bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:12:35pm

re: #159 Brian J.

True. I had vague memories that Republicans thought Jimmy Carter was history’s greatest monster, before the Clintons and Obamas were invented…

They still do use him. I remember Obama being compared to Carter in 2008 and I think Romney still did in 2012 too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:13:12pm

re: #163 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:13:38pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

OT, but has anyone noticed how as you close in on the end of the year, management seems to expect things to ramp up, but management itself (as well as every bit of infrastructure) winds down?

I work at a hotel that’s in the midst of renovations to join a major chain next year. We’ve got facilities down and banging going on into the night. But management still wants us to do everything possible to convince people to book stays. I’ve been told several times since they started working in the lobby to keep wiping down the front desk religiously, because they seem to think that what will turn people off is drywall dust on the desk and not the fact that half the lobby is currently demoed down to the wall frames.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:13:39pm

re: #163 klys (maker of Silmarils)

TRUMPS BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:14:11pm

heh

For some strange reason, I’ve been getting a lot of those recently.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:14:12pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The same thing people are saying about our new wingnut governor in Kentucky.

And eyet Obama is awful and a stain on the ofcie forever.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:15:41pm

Good gawd. He left a damned note of his intentions. Today could have been another massacre.

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TedStriker  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:16:17pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

For some strange reason, I’ve been getting a lot of those recently.

Me too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:16:39pm

oh….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:16:51pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Good gawd. He left a damned note of his intentions. Today could have been another massacre.

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And yet, because this is virtually indistinguishable from any other rant in a wingnut comment section…

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bratwurst  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:18:24pm

Reminder: none of this would be happening if Obama and political correctness hadn’t FORCED Republican politicians and voters to be so bigoted!

And BTW: this is not my opinion…it is that of the BIBLE of mainstream conservatism:

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:18:29pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

Perhaps, I’d have to read up on Everson. But then the question becomes whether someone outside the United States could have standing to sue in order to strike down the ban. There’s probably a few hundred legal questions that would have to be raised and sorted out on something like this - to the point where I would posit if a newly inaugurated president were to issue a proclamation like this, it might not be resolved until his first term expired (I could literally see this going up and down from District Court to Court of Appeal to Supreme Court and back again and forth again multiple times).

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see anything in the statutory scheme based on a quick look. There might be something in the regulations, but I haven’t looked that deep into it.

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:19:47pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Good gawd. He left a damned note of his intentions. Today could have been another massacre.

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I ragged on Arkansas above, but the state seems to handle such incidents well by not having people jump in with guns blazing. This brings the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord to mind:

en.wikipedia.org

Of course, that did have one negative consequence: it brought future governor, congressman, and general waste of space Asa Hutchinson to prominence.

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Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:20:14pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s still there:

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I’d worry that he’d rape my dog and shit on my floor.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:20:17pm

re: #139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

They let disabled folks in the III%?

The whole 3% of the people were all that fought for everybody else thing is total bullshit. It is easy enough to look up population statistics for 1778 etc as well as the muster numbers for the Continental Army. 3% of the total population was what was in uniform at any one time.

That does not account for women not allowed in uniform, slaves, loyalists, disabled men, the very young and those too old to be in the army…not to mention the freaking militia which held just about every other able bodied male citizen in many areas and which was often called out to fight.

In actuality, between the militia and the Continental Army, just about every patriot who could bear arms was serving in some capacity and many who could not have stood the physical challenges of the Continental Army did great service in the militia. In truth, young men who could fight full time were just about fished out in most areas of the colonies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:20:37pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Here is the accident he was talking about in his rant yesterday.

Clearly the guy suffered physical trauma. Compound that with conservatism, paranoia over a Black president, and guns….well, shit like today happens.

I’m glad that the police were able to take him in without hurting him, but that kinda suggests they should be able to stop shooting so many people.

There was an incident out here, a guy with a knife, surrounded by cops who shot him down when they thought he was approaching them. Cop defended it saying, “When someone approaches you with an edged weapon, your first defense is your firearm.”

YOUR FIRST DEFENSE? How about a damned NIGHTSTICK? He’s got a knife, you’ve got a club - HIT HIS ARM WITH THE CLUB!!! Are we so addicted to ‘stand your ground’ that we no longer think in terms of retreating, defusing, etc? Or at least, we don’t if the suspect isn’t white?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:21:23pm

re: #176 Brian J.

I ragged on Arkansas above, but the state seems to handle such incidents well by not having people jump in with guns blazing. This brings the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord to mind:

en.wikipedia.org

Of course, that did have one negative consequence: it brought future governor, congressman, and general waste of space Asa Hutchinson to prominence.

Well. He wasn’t black, so he had that going for him.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:21:25pm

re: #178 Aunty Entity Dragon

The whole 3% of the people were all that fought for everybody else thing is total bullshit. It is easy enough to look up population statistics for 1778 etc as well as the muster numbers for the Continental Army. 3% of the total population was what was in uniform at any one time.

That does not account for women not allowed in uniform, slaves, loyalists, disabled men, the very young and those too old to be in the army…not to mention the freaking militia which held just about every other able bodied male citizen in many areas and which was often called out to fight.

In actuality, between the militia and the Continental Army, just about every patriot who could bear arms was serving in some capacity and many who could not have stood the physical challenges of the Continental Army did great service in the militia. In truth, young men who could fight full time were just about fished out in most areas of the colonies.

Ah, OK, now I finally get the III% thing.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:23:23pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Good gawd. He left a damned note of his intentions. Today could have been another massacre.

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Obviously American Exceptionalism includes denying mentally ill people the treatment they literally beg for on social media while giving them access to tricked out AR-15 rifles. Paul Ryan’s budget approves.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:23:45pm

One other thing about 8 USC 1182(f)… This is a provision that was probably included as something intended for emergency situations. And of course, those types of provisions are always subject to abuse. The fact that it would be used as a justification of what Trump is proposing is one more tick in the column of “fascism” as far as I’m concerned - using emergency powers to establish a new normal.

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wrenchwench  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:25:20pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:26:36pm

Because I love you all:

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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:27:12pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

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Sounds planlike. Bismillah (No, we will not let you go…)

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:27:53pm

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:27:58pm
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Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:29:03pm

re: #187 Dr. Matt

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Arkansas doesn’t register voters by party.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:30:59pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m glad that the police were able to take him in without hurting him, but that kinda suggests they should be able to stop shooting so many people.

There was an incident out here, a guy with a knife, surrounded by cops who shot him down when they thought he was approaching them. Cop defended it saying, “When someone approaches you with an edged weapon, your first defense is your firearm.”

YOUR FIRST DEFENSE? How about a damned NIGHTSTICK? He’s got a knife, you’ve got a club - HIT HIS ARM WITH THE CLUB!!! Are we so addicted to ‘stand your ground’ that we no longer think in terms of retreating, defusing, etc? Or at least, we don’t if the suspect isn’t white?

The comments at cop blogs overwhelmingly cite that fucking claim that anybody with anything resembling a weapon and standing 21 feet away can kill you, cut out your spleen and dance around in your blood before you have a chance to draw your gun.

Of course, they fail to mention that every damned time you see this shit, multiple officers already have guns out and pointed. I see comments all the time that any person suspected of having a weapon within their magic I am a’skeered of you distance must be eliminated because officer safety is what matters the most.™

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:31:04pm

re: #189 Brian J.

Arkansas doesn’t register voters by party.

Moar proof that he’s a democrat party libprog!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:31:04pm

re: #189 Brian J.

Arkansas doesn’t register voters by party.

Most states do not.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:31:36pm

Really pisses me off that there’s yet another asshole with a gun out there looking to end lives because of his hatefilled bullshit.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:31:53pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Most states do not.

Then how do they do party primaries?

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wrenchwench  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:32:21pm

re: #185 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because I love you all:

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That’s awful, but it’s not terrible.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:33:44pm

re: #190 Aunty Entity Dragon

The comments at cop blogs overwhelmingly cite that fucking claim that anybody with anything resembling a weapon and standing 21 feet away can kill you, cut out your spleen and dance around in your blood before you have a chance to draw your gun.

Of course, they fail to mention that every damned time you see this shit, multiple officers already have guns out and pointed. I see comments all the time that any person suspected of having a weapon within their magic I am a’skeered of you distance must be eliminated because officer safety is what matters the most.TM

What’s most infuriating is, due to laws at all levels, it effectively is what matters most. And the ammosexuals are not trying to extend that security to themselves through “Stand Your Ground” laws, allowing them to say that the guy waving a billy club at them from 21 feet away is so much of a danger that they simply can’t retreat.

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justaminute  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:34:07pm

Here’s a little dispatch from an old lizard from Oklahoma:

Nearly fell out of my chair when watching the news last night. An old long time Repub state congress critter made an in person statement that if Trump is the nominee he was going to resign from office and not even vote.

So there is pockets of resistance in red red Oklahome, even the detestable Dail Oklahoman news papa has been issuing bombs at Trump.

So there’s this At my business who my customers are the wingest of wingnut….trash Trump.

I am more nervous of Cruz.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:34:16pm

re: #194 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Then how do they do party primaries?

You can’t vote for both parties primaries so pretty much do vote in the primary of the party that you choose to affiliate with but hypothetically if I wanted to, I could piss in the pot of the Republican primaries here in Va if I wanted to by voting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:34:54pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

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I’m guessing the NRA and 2nd Amendment crowd are desperately trying to figure out how to blame Obama for this…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:34:59pm

re: #197 justaminute

Here’s a little dispatch from an old lizard from Oklahoma:

Nearly fell out of my chair when watching the news last night. An old long time Repub state congress critter made an in person statement that if Trump is the nominee he was going to resign from office and not even vote.

So there is pockets of resistance in red red Oklahome, even the detestable Dail Oklahoman news papa has been issuing bombs at Trump.

So there’s this At my business who my customers are the wingest of wingnut….trash Trump.

I am more nervous of Cruz.

Cruz doesn’t really worry me. The guy is very unlikable. However, he is setting himself up as the “sensible alternative” to Trump.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:35:11pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

That’s awful, but it’s not terrible.

Of course not, since it’s on your computer screen. ;)

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:35:49pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

They still do use him. I remember Obama being compared to Carter in 2008 and I think Romney still did in 2012 too.

My wingnut brother just compared them two weeks ago, saying the only thing Obama has accomplished is making Carter not the worst president ever. Argghh. Families. (Brother still blames all financial issues on Barney Frank—I made a strong case for my being adopted.)

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:36:40pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m guessing the NRA and 2nd Amendment crowd are desperately trying to figure out how to blame Obama for this…

It’s baked into his rants. They’ll blame the government for driving this guy nuts, saying that “big government/overregulation” kept him from getting the help he needed and so liberals are to blame.

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Lidane  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:37:22pm

re: #41 Kragar

Dovetailing nicely with the GOP possibly facing a brokered convention:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:37:32pm

re: #202 BeachDem

My wingnut brother just compared them two weeks ago, saying the only thing Obama has accomplished is making Carter not the worst president ever. Argghh. Families. (Brother still blames all financial issues on Barney Frank—I made a strong case for my being adopted.)

To be honest, I don’t even think Bush is the worst ever. I think one could make a strong case for Buchanan and Andrew Johnson before Bush. Anyone who thinks Obama is the worst ever has no idea of what makes a President a bad president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:37:34pm

re: #188 Stanley Sea Toujours

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:38:13pm

re: #204 Lidane

Dovetailing nicely with the GOP possibly facing a brokered convention:

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I want to see him say that about all people who don’t like his fueher.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:38:27pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am starting to get a bad feeling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:38:35pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

It’s baked into his rants. They’ll blame the government for driving this guy nuts, saying that “big government/overregulation” kept him from getting the help he needed and so liberals are to blame.

No, I’m talking about one of the guns used in Paris being linked to a gun shop in Florida.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:38:42pm

re: #208 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am starting to get a bad feeling.

Same here.

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gwangung  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:39:25pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Same here.

Longer it goes, the more sure the slimeball’s gonna walk.

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Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:39:49pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, I’m talking about one of the guns used in Paris being linked to a gun shop in Florida.

Go USA! We’ll sell guns to terrorists no matter what their religion is.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:40:57pm

re: #212 Skip Intro

Go USA! We’ll sell guns to terrorists no matter what their religion is.

Except for that gun store in FL (ironically enough) that has declared itself Muslim free.

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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:41:18pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, I’m talking about one of the guns used in Paris being linked to a gun shop in Florida.

Ah, sorry, got confused. In that case, it’ll be something about how he’s allowed terrorism to flourish in America on his watch and it was the terrorists who exported the guns to Europe.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:42:00pm

re: #211 gwangung

Longer it goes, the more sure the slimeball’s gonna walk.

It is nearly impossible to convict a cop of anything at this point, the defense ran the usual them negress wiminz is all nuts and sluts and lyin’ whores… and an all white jury in Oklahoma?

Bad, bad, bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:42:02pm

re: #208 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am starting to get a bad feeling.

There are 36 charges, including burglary, and the jury also has to deliberate on sentence recommendations for each charge for which they render a guilty verdict.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:43:41pm

re: #197 justaminute

Here’s a little dispatch from an old lizard from Oklahoma:

Nearly fell out of my chair when watching the news last night. An old long time Repub state congress critter made an in person statement that if Trump is the nominee he was going to resign from office and not even vote.

So there is pockets of resistance in red red Oklahome, even the detestable Dail Oklahoman news papa has been issuing bombs at Trump.

So there’s this At my business who my customers are the wingest of wingnut….trash Trump.

I am more nervous of Cruz.

Have thought of you Justa!! Welcome back.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:44:11pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are 36 charges, including burglary, and the jury also has to deliberate on sentence recommendations for each charge for which they render a guilty verdict.

Yes, the other possibility is that they are carefully considering everything and that is what we should hope for.

Inflammatory cases like this with cops tend to go the other way, however.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:44:17pm

oooh!!!

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:45:01pm

re: #213 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Except for that gun store in FL (ironically enough) that has declared itself Muslim free.

Yeah, they only sell to Christian terrorists, and maybe a Jew or two if they don’t get pushy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:47:31pm

re: #190 Aunty Entity Dragon

The comments at cop blogs overwhelmingly cite that fucking claim that anybody with anything resembling a weapon and standing 21 feet away can kill you, cut out your spleen and dance around in your blood before you have a chance to draw your gun.

Of course, they fail to mention that every damned time you see this shit, multiple officers already have guns out and pointed. I see comments all the time that any person suspected of having a weapon within their magic I am a’skeered of you distance must be eliminated because officer safety is what matters the most.TM

21 feet = 7 yards.

Current world record holder for the 100 meter dash, Usain Bolt, takes 1.85 seconds to reach 10 meters, starting in blocks, so call it maybe 1.5 seconds to reach 7 yards.

That’s the fastest man in the fucking WORLD, coming out of starting blocks, in spiked track shoes, on a surface designed for speed.

Sure, nobody wants to get knifed, but for chrissakes, he’s got a KNIFE, you’ve got a GUN. And you’ve got a bunch of other guys with guns. This is ridiculous.

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Alephnaught  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:48:04pm

This is the B-side from a record I bought in a charity shop ages ago.

The Quarks - Working Model 7” (1981)

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:48:25pm

re: #175 KGxvi

Perhaps, I’d have to read up on Everson. But then the question becomes whether someone outside the United States could have standing to sue in order to strike down the ban. There’s probably a few hundred legal questions that would have to be raised and sorted out on something like this - to the point where I would posit if a newly inaugurated president were to issue a proclamation like this, it might not be resolved until his first term expired (I could literally see this going up and down from District Court to Court of Appeal to Supreme Court and back again and forth again multiple times).

I don’t see anything in the statutory scheme based on a quick look. There might be something in the regulations, but I haven’t looked that deep into it.

I don’t see why it would necessarily have to be someone outside the US. A citizen could sue when their family is denied entry on a religious basis, a spouse possibly under an alienation of affection tort.

Outside of legal challenges, any number of organizations could invite Malala Yousafzai to speak here in the US and point out the absolute absurdity that Trump’s proposal would bar someone like her from entry.

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:49:02pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

To be honest, I don’t even think Bush is the worst ever. I think one could make a strong case for Buchanan and Andrew Johnson before Bush. Anyone who thinks Obama is the worst ever has no idea of what makes a President a bad president.

I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing my brother might have a Reagan shrine somewhere in his house. Meanwhile, during the “Obama reign of terror” brother dear has been able to retire, renovate his main house, re-do a home they inherited in another state, travel back and forth between his two residences, sell their rental property (which was previously underwater financially) for a profit—but woe is him, things have been really bad these past 7 years!

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:49:34pm

re: #79 jaunte

The author is a board member with the Center For Immigration Studies:

re: #93 CuriousLurker

LOL, I had a sneaking suspicion that if I scratched the surface a little deeper I’d find rot, but I wasn’t in the mood to do a lot of digging. Thanks for the confirmation.

Heh, from Ting’s blog at the CIS site, last paragraph of the post titled “In Defense of Arizona’s Immigration Law SB1070”:

Whether you think SB1070 is good policy or not, everyone should understand why the Arizona legislature enacted it, why it continues to be supported in Arizona and other states affected by illegal immigration, and why the Supreme Court is likely to uphold it.

donotlink.com

He was 75% wrong. The one & only comment, heh:

Etaoin Shrdlu
This is a perfect example of why I constantly warn that people who make predictions thereby prove they’re fools. Of the four sections of the law challenged, three were struck down, and the fourth (the “papers please” provision) was so limited by the Court (and so neutered by the loss of the other three) that many now question whether it has any “life” left at all. And it’s still subject to further challenges!

What is beyond doubt is that the Court declared a ringing vindication of Federal authority, and swept away all the “States’ Rights” and Tenth Amendment blather that’s been such a key part of the political debate. Also soundly rejected was the notion (originating with the drafter of this legislation, and others like it), that Arizona’s intrusion into Federal power was okay since SB1070 “mirrored” Federal law. The Court shattered that ‘mirror’!

Like * Reply * Jun 27, 2012 5:40pm

SCOTUSblog: Arizona v. United States

I didn’t bother looking at any of his other stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:50:31pm

re: #224 BeachDem

I haven’t checked, but I’m guessing my brother might have a Reagan shrine somewhere in his house. Meanwhile, during the “Obama reign of terror” brother dear has been able to retire, renovate his main house, re-do a home they inherited in another state, travel back and forth between his two residences, sell their rental property (which was previously underwater financially) for a profit—but woe is him, things have been really bad these past 7 years!

Because Obama said nice things about poor and working people, and was insufficiently obsequious to the rich.

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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:50:36pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:51:27pm

re: #227 Jenner7

Ted Cruz makes a pretty good punditdemagogue!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:54:29pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:55:57pm

We’re over a year now into the “investigation” into Tamir Rice’s death, so it’s time for a reminder of what things would look like had he been white:

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:56:07pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see why it would necessarily have to be someone outside the US. A citizen could sue when their family is denied entry on a religious basis, a spouse possibly under an alienation of affection tort.

Outside of legal challenges, any number of non-profits could invite Malala Yousafzai to speak here in the US and point out the absolute absurdity that Trump’s proposal would bar someone like her from entry.

It’s a question of standing. You only have standing to sue if you’re injured or could potentially be injured. That’s why I’m assuming it’d have to be someone outside the US. One interesting way might be using the Alien Tort Act to establish jurisdiction.

The nonlegal challenges like you suggest would be great for the court of public opinion. But I’m not sure President Donald Trump (those might be the three most terrifying words in the English language) would give a shit about public opinion.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:57:14pm

Off to go perform Christmas harp music at the Colonial Heritage Center at Guilford Courthouse NMP. See you all later.

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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2015 • 2:59:30pm

This is worse than after 9/11. It just goes to show how far the GOP have fallen.

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sagehen  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:00:32pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

Outside of legal challenges, any number of organizations could invite Malala Yousafzai to speak here in the US and point out the absolute absurdity that Trump’s proposal would bar someone like her from entry.

Salman Rushdie.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:01:20pm

So the Telegraph (the British conservative paper) ran an op-ed saying Trump should be banned from Britain because he’s a fascist.

I assume he’ll want to bomb London rather soon.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:01:23pm

FBI press conference very soon at scene where they are searching that lake near San Bernardino per MSNBC.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:03:26pm

re: #236 blueraven

FBI press conference very soon at scene where they are searching that lake near San Bernardino per MSNBC.

What are they searching for, any idea? I hadn’t even heard about it till now.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:03:48pm

re: #236 blueraven

FBI press conference very soon at scene where they are searching that lake near San Bernardino per MSNBC.

Watch live any minute now

abc7.com

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mr.fusion  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:04:31pm
we’re seeing more and more persons enter and a lot of them have done terrorist acts

I apologize if these points were made earlier up thread

But are we seeing that Sen. Sessions? In San Bernardino we had one American citizen and one woman who came over from the Middle East. Does that qualify as “more and more persons entering?” I guess….since we haven’t seen any since 9/11

I also don’t want to sound callous or dismissive of the people who died in San Bernardino. The victims were at a Christmas party for crying out loud….and they died. It’s heartbreaking and it’s tragic —- but

There were 14 people killed. 14 — and we’re losing our shit over it.

It was the result of 2 murderers. 2 — and we’re going to ban all muslims because of it? How many people died in car accidents today? The overreaction is just mind boggling

My own sister cancelled a family vacation to New York because she was scared of terrorists. The level of fear stoked by 2 people killing 14 is just insane

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:05:14pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

What are they searching for, any idea? I hadn’t even heard about it till now.

Not a clue!

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:05:58pm

re: #234 sagehen

Salman Rushdie.

SALMAN RUSHDIE: I’m a hard-line atheist I have to say.

pbs.org

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Jenner7  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:06:37pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

Hard drives. That’s what Wolf said on CNN.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:07:36pm

re: #239 mr.fusion

The terrorists are winning and the GOP is helping them. I wish I was kidding.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:07:40pm

re: #240 blueraven

Not a clue!

Hard drive per the press. FBI not saying.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:07:57pm

re: #240 blueraven

Not a clue!

re: #242 Jenner7

Hard drives. That’s what Wolf said on CNN.

Thanks!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:08:14pm

Happy Hanukkah 5th Light

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sagehen  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:09:10pm

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

Happy Hanukkah 5th Light

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Beautiful candles, but WHERE’S THE LATKES???

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:09:40pm

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

Happy Hanukkah 5th Light

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What’s the significance of the taller candle—is it just for lighting the others?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:10:14pm

re: #247 sagehen

Beautiful candles, but WHERE’S THE LATKES???

I ate them.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:10:25pm

re: #41 Kragar

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Just as I predicted the minute Trump entered the race. It’s Draft Mitt Time Again!!!!!!,

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:10:40pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

I ate them.

You bastard, that was my idea.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:10:51pm

El Chapo is trending

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:13:18pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea Toujours

is this one of those “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” situations?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:13:19pm

Re: the constitutionality of Trump’s “plan”—recall that is intended to apply to citizens and non-citizens alike. If you are a Muslim and step off US soil, you can’t come back in again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:13:51pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

You bastard, that was my idea.

Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time.

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wrenchwench  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:14:22pm

re: #253 KGxvi

is this one of those “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” situations?

Chapo usually relys on the government to go after his competition.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:14:55pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

Old age and treachery will defeat youth and enthusiasm every time.

I see you and my father come from the same school of thought. HEs’ like that with sweets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:14:57pm

re: #250 Joe Bacon

Just as I predicted the minute Trump entered the race. It’s Draft Mitt Time Again!!!!!!,

Because it worked so well last time.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:15:23pm

republican officeholders are all totally whipped by trump. they hardly dare emit a peep

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:16:11pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea Toujours

El Chapo is trending

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*headdesk*

Waiting for the wingnuts to start cheering the drug lord for not being as much of a sissy as POTUS. // Then again, there was that little spat he & Trump had earlier this year, so no telling how they’ll react…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:16:23pm

Watching Gene Tierney and Rex Harrison in The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (1947).

Soooo great.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:16:36pm

re: #248 CuriousLurker

What’s the significance of the taller candle—is it just for lighting the others?

I saw something to day on FB (which I now can’t find) which named it. Yes, it’s used to light the others. The post said, “Be the (taller candle that’s used to light the others)”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:17:29pm

And there are millions of wonderful, decent, good Muslims, hundreds of millions worldwide

INSTANT CONDEMNATION TO DEMOCRAT SOCIALISM DHIMMITUDE!!!11!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:17:47pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I see you and my father come from the same school of thought. HEs’ like that with sweets.

My own spawn know that the way to defeat me is through humor. Get me laughing hard enough and I’m weak as a kitten.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:18:11pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something to day on FB (which I now can’t find) which named it. Yes, it’s used to light the others. The post said, “Be the (taller candle that’s used to light the others)”

So symbolic meaning also. Nice, thanks.

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bratwurst  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:19:31pm

re: #259 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

republican officeholders are all totally whipped by trump. they hardly dare emit a peep

I really do give Ryan credit. Yes, he could have gone further…but he could also have excused himself from the discussion completely due to the complexities of his new position.

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Great White Snark  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:20:18pm

Paged

By the way have you guys got any idea how hard it is to find images of this guy without his mouth open? Sheesh what a blowhard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:20:54pm

re: #265 CuriousLurker

So symbolic meaning also. Nice, thanks.

Shamash! It’s called the Shamash.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:21:01pm

re: #263 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

And there are millions of wonderful, decent, good Muslims, hundreds of millions worldwide

INSTANT CONDEMNATION TO DEMOCRAT SOCIALISM DHIMMITUDE!!!11!!!

One of the days I’m gonna use my designer skills to create and official LGF Dhimmi card. Maybe even some Dhimmi dollars currency to go with it.

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mr.fusion  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:22:19pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea Toujours

El Chapo is trending

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polling on the Republican primary now shows El Chapo at 20% and the only serious threat to Trump

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:22:31pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

One of the days I’m gonna use my designer skills to create and official LGF Dhimmi card. Maybe even some Dhimmi dollars currency to go with it.

Wait, can we collect both Dhimmi Dollars and Zionist Checks? Isn’t that double-dipping?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:23:02pm

re: #266 bratwurst

I really do give Ryan credit. Yes, he could have gone further…but he could also have excused himself from the discussion completely due to the complexities of his new position.

I’m willing to give him credit, but I’ll be damned if I’ll trust him any farther than I can throw him. I don’t trust any of them (members of the GOP) anymore.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:23:30pm

re: #267 Great White Snark

Embedded Image

Paged

By the way have you guys got ny idea how hard it is to find images of this guy without his mouth open? Sheesh what a blowhard.

The side view is just hideous.

Surprised that someone with his ego even allows himself to be photographed!

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TedStriker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:24:08pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, can we collect both Dhimmi Dollars and Zionist Checks? Isn’t that double-dipping?

Two different teams, two paychecks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:24:25pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea Toujours

The side view is just hideous.

Surprised that someone with his ego even allows himself to be photographed!

I’m surprised he casts an image on film.

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sagehen  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:24:52pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something to day on FB (which I now can’t find) which named it. Yes, it’s used to light the others. The post said, “Be the (taller candle that’s used to light the others)”

It’s called the shamash.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:24:53pm

“Maybe”, some good news in Syria?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:25:00pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, can we collect both Dhimmi Dollars and Zionist Checks? Isn’t that double-dipping?

If you don’t tell, I won’t.

Let the moonbats be angry about the Zionist Checks and the wingnuts rage about the Dhimmi Dollars. That way everyone can hate us—yay, lizards!

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:28:50pm

Speaking of lizards, is this gorgeous or what? Talk about eye candy:

Getty Image

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:29:55pm

Another view of that loon from the Trump Focus Group…

CRAZY?!? I’LL SHOW YOU CRAZY!!!
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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:30:23pm

re: #279 CuriousLurker

Speaking of lizards, is this gorgeous or what? Talk about eye candy:

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It looks like fine bead work!

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Great White Snark  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:30:24pm

re: #279 CuriousLurker

Speaking of lizards, is this gorgeous or what? Talk about eye candy:

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Wait lizard tail or spiral frescoe?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:31:11pm

re: #282 Great White Snark

Wait lizard tail or spiral frescoe?

I’d guess chameleon tail.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:32:06pm

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Another view of that loon from the Trump Focus Group…

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Crazies for Trump

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wrenchwench  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:33:03pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:35:49pm

re: #281 blueraven

re: #282 Great White Snark

I had a hard time figuring out what it was at first too.

re: #283 Blind Frog Belly White

You did better than me.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:41:15pm

re: #277 blueraven

So, the Kurds were excluded, and I’m guessing Daesh won’t be invited? It’s a start, in at least potentially removing one of the four sides. Still, my guess is that Syrian Kurds will take a similar position as Iraqi Kurds and agitate for an independent Kurdistan. And that’s going to be a problem for Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and whatever comes of this Syrian conference. I guess it comes down to the old saying - a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:41:27pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

The FBW family are lizard lovers. We’ve got a Crested Gecko, a Northern Alligator Lizard, two Red Eared Sliders, and a Western Pond Turtle.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:44:10pm

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Another view of that loon from the Trump Focus Group…

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Isn’t she a politician?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:44:31pm

re: #288 Blind Frog Belly White

The FBW family are lizard lovers. We’ve got a Crested Gecko, a Northern Alligator Lizard, two Red Eared Sliders, and a Western Pond Turtle.

Ah, okay. Hey, you forgot the Blind Frog Belly White Lizard. ;-)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:46:04pm

re: #289 GlutenFreeJesus

Isn’t she a politician?

Yep. Teabagger.

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:47:46pm

re: #289 GlutenFreeJesus

Isn’t she a politician?

Yep.

rawstory.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:48:30pm

So. She lies to herself then. Obviously.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:51:15pm

Don’t know if this case of NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA was posted yesterday:

Police step up mosque patrols after discovery of pig’s head

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia police will step up patrols around worship sites as they look for the person who left a severed pig’s head outside a city mosque.

The police department meanwhile hopes to enhance security video that shows someone throwing the animal’s head out the passenger door of a red pickup truck, Commissioner Charles Ramsey said Tuesday. No arrests have been made in the Sunday night incident outside the Al Aqsa Islamic Society in west Philadelphia. […]

Sounds like Philly Mayor Michael Nutter isn’t a Trump fan:

“Trump is literally trying to radicalize Americans against Muslims, and that’s not what America is about,” Nutter said.

Nutter called Trump’s proposal “flat-out ignorant” and said, “If I had the power, the only banning that would be done is that I would ban him from Philadelphia. We don’t have any room for that kind of stupidity here.” […]

bigstory.ap.org

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:51:41pm
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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:52:24pm

re: #293 GlutenFreeJesus

So. She lies to herself then. Obviously.

In the age of the net I don’t know why idiots think they can get away with the kind of shit she did.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:53:07pm

re: #296 Tigger2

In the age of the net I don’t know why idiots think they can get away with the kind of shit she did.

Because the facts don’t matter.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:53:27pm

re: #287 KGxvi

So, the Kurds were excluded, and I’m guessing Daesh won’t be invited? It’s a start, in at least potentially removing one of the four sides. Still, my guess is that Syrian Kurds will take a similar position as Iraqi Kurds and agitate for an independent Kurdistan. And that’s going to be a problem for Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and whatever comes of this Syrian conference. I guess it comes down to the old saying - a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

A million things can go wrong but it’s a start and this is pretty big.

Opposition groups had previously demanded Assad leave before any negotiations took place. But the statement says he would be allowed to stay until a transitional government was formed.

This signifies “a big change” on behalf of the opposition, Ibrahim Hamidi, the Syria editor of the Saudi owned al-Hayat newspaper, told the BBC.

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calochortus  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:53:50pm

re: #293 GlutenFreeJesus

So. She lies to herself then. Obviously.

She’s obviously a nut, but I don’t think the statement about never being interested in politics was self referential. I think she was referring to Trump being nonpolitical. If you listen to it carefully, there is no subject in that sentence.

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:54:06pm

re: #297 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because the facts don’t matter.

To some. but in my guess not the majority of the people.

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WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:54:51pm

re: #208 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am starting to get a bad feeling.

I’ve had a bad feeling since yesterday. I was hoping it was the sentencing that was holding them up. I think it’s a holdout or two.

It’s disgusting if that’s the case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:55:36pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

Don’t know if this case of NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA was posted yesterday:

Sounds like Philly Mayor Michael Nutter isn’t a Trump fan:

Trump doesn’t like the mayor:

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:56:33pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

And more NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA courtesy of my home state because smashing the windows of innocent families is what Real Americans™ do: Texans begin nightly smashing windows of Muslim family only six weeks after they move in

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:57:30pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump doesn’t like the mayor:

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My shocked face. <<

//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:58:15pm

re: #300 Tigger2

To some but in my guess not the majority.

But how often does a retraction or a correction get the same mileage as the original lie? Rarely.

You see this on Twitter all the time, but’s it’s merely a reflection of what happens in our society on a larger level. It’s about getting the story out there first, reality be damned - and then it’s an uphill battle to get the facts out. In the meantime, the lie just keeps being repeated and repeated and the truth falls farther behind.

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Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 3:58:23pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait, can we collect both Dhimmi Dollars and Zionist Checks? Isn’t that double-dipping?

Well I’m still waiting for my Soros Bucks. Could you help a guy out here?

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Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:00:10pm

re: #289 GlutenFreeJesus

Isn’t she a politician?

Shh! Don’t tell CNN. If they had any credibility left it would hurt it.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:00:22pm

It was a Luntz focus group?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:02:29pm

Pretty much says it all, especially in light of all the rants we hear about how Obama has destroyed the dignity of the office, etc.

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Tigger2  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:02:51pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea Toujours

It was a Luntz focus group?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:04:51pm

re: #309 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Pretty much says it all, especially in light of all the rants we hear about how Obama has destroyed the dignity of the office, etc.

THIS1000

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:05:09pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

His insults are so boring.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:05:19pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea Toujours

It was a Luntz focus group?

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I dont think that was Luntz’ group. I saw it this morning and they were being questioned by Alison Camerota of CNN.

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makeitstop  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:07:22pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

Sounds like Philly Mayor Michael Nutter isn’t a Trump fan:

Nutter called Trump an asshole the other day. On camera.

EDITED TO ADD: The woman over his shoulder rolling her eyes is priceless. You know she wants to burst out laughing.

Philadelphia Mayor: Donald Trump is an As*Hole

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:08:14pm

This is a better insult:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:09:50pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

And more NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA courtesy of my home state because smashing the windows of innocent families is what Real AmericansTM do: Texans begin nightly smashing windows of Muslim family only six weeks after they move in

Where are the armed guards? ///

Heck. This family should arm themselves. Unlike most RWNJ that go to the movies packing heat, they are actually in danger.

Better yet. How about the cops do their job…

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:10:05pm

re: #294 CuriousLurker

Don’t know if this case of NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA was posted yesterday:

Sounds like Philly Mayor Michael Nutter isn’t a Trump fan:

He (Nutter) also called him (Trump) an asshole. I like a mayor who doesn’t mince words. Met Nutter a few years ago and thought he was pretty cool.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:11:30pm

re: #248 CuriousLurker

What’s the significance of the taller candle—is it just for lighting the others?

It’s used to light the oil candles.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:12:07pm

re: #314 makeitstop

Nutter called Trump an asshole the other day. On camera.

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You know how it’s going to go. This guy is an asshole for insulting Trump, but the Fox nutter telling the President to F off is a hero!

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:12:36pm

re: #296 Tigger2

In the age of the net I don’t know why idiots think they can get away with the kind of shit she did.

Because CNN—they’ll have any miscreant fool on, as long as they’re shouty and obnoxious. They think that’s good TV.

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WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:12:36pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something to day on FB (which I now can’t find) which named it. Yes, it’s used to light the others. The post said, “Be the (taller candle that’s used to light the others)”

One year, long ago when I was too young to play with matches, my brother was lighting the candle. He struck the match, lit the candle, and blew out the match. Along with the candle. He then proceeded to do that again…two more times. I laughed so hard I almost peed myself.

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Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:13:15pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Where are the armed guards? ///

Heck. This family should arm themselves. Unlike most RWNJ that go to the movies packing heat, they are actually in danger.

Then they become terrorists. Only white Christians are allowed to do what you suggest.

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blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:13:31pm

re: #313 blueraven

I dont think that was Luntz’ group. I saw it this morning and they were being questioned by Alison Camerota of CNN.

cnn.com

The Luntz focus group had like 29 people. Dave Weigel was invited and covered it.

washingtonpost.com

324
makeitstop  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:14:03pm

re: #315 UrbanAchiever

Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia, who is doing a terrible job, should be ashamed for using such a disgusting word in referring to me.

Says the guy who’s telling his rallies that he’ll ‘bomb the shit’ out of Daesh, and once dropped an F-bomb at a campaign appearance.

Hypocrite.

325
Kid A  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:15:17pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

You know how it’s going to go. This guy is an asshole for insulting Trump, but the Fox nutter telling the President to F off is a hero!

AND THAT GUY THAT CALLED OBAMA A PUSSY WAS RIGHT TOO!!!

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BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:15:37pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea Toujours

It was a Luntz focus group?

[Embedded content]

Don’t know, but the Bundy Boy is the elected loon’s husband.

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WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:16:18pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea Toujours

The side view is just hideous.

Surprised that someone with his ego even allows himself to be photographed!

He’s got enough money to be whipped and burned by an ugly stick and still be highly desirable…by strippers and ho’s.

328
Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:16:55pm

I wonder which Trump spawn will be put in charge of his new white supremacist line of really classy products?

329
goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:17:18pm

re: #234 sagehen

Salman Rushdie.

Identifies as an atheist.

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WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:18:29pm

re: #293 GlutenFreeJesus

So. She lies to herself then. Obviously.

And to everyone else. On television.

331
Kid A  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:19:55pm
332
InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:20:42pm

re: #331 Kid A

When does his home planet send for him?

333
InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:21:03pm

re: #332 UrbanAchiever

When does his home planet send for him?

…and can they take his supporters with them?

334
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:21:44pm

Ya’ll. Shipment from Macy’s scheduled today via fed ex.

All of a sudden switched from “end of the day” to “pending”

What a load of crap. So over it.

335
CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:22:11pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

And more NOT ISLAMOPHOBIA courtesy of my home state because smashing the windows of innocent families is what Real AmericansTM do: Texans begin nightly smashing windows of Muslim family only six weeks after they move in

And here in NJ:

Basking Ridge Votes No To Islamic Mosque

Basking Ridge, NJ — Residents cheered, applauded and were giddy with delight after the Bernards Township Planning Board on Tuesday unanimously voted down the application to build an Islamic mosque on Church Street.

The Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, Inc. had submitted an application back in September 2012 to build a 4,250-square-foot Islamic mosque on Church Street, a historic section of the township.

“Party! Party! Party!” yelled one Church Street resident as she jumped up and down outside with other residents in a circle. They hugged, cheered and danced at the decision. […]

*SIGH* I’m sure the jumping for joy was totally only due to relief over parking or traffic or whatever. I sincerely hope that none of you ever have to experience what every American Muslim is feeling during this time due to circumstances utterly beyond our control. It sucks.

I’ve had enough for one day, I’m out.

Later, lizards.

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WhatEVs  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:23:02pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

337
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:23:56pm

Darth Trump

DARTH TRUMP - Auralnauts

338
BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:24:24pm

HappyWarrior, you here? Just for you!

Ted Cruz partners with E.W. Jackson, one of the few Republicans more nuts than he is

Have you been wondering, dear reader, whatever happened to the gloriously insane E.W. Jackson? No, you probably weren’t, but tough beans: Presidential candidate and actual sitting senator Ted Cruz is bringing him back into the spotlight.

dailykos.com

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CuriousLurker  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:25:24pm

re: #314 makeitstop

re: #317 BeachDem

That actually makes me feel slightly better after all the crap today, thanks ;-)

340
KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:27:45pm

re: #314 makeitstop

I love the fact that he immediately apologizes to the clergy in the room but not to Trump. Is it too late to have him run for something where he can do that regularly?

341
Kid A  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:28:15pm

Zeus, I am so sick of the phrase “politically correct.” (I’m watching Trump)

342
Kid A  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:30:18pm

Oh bullshit. Trump just said that if the government had done what he said about Osama bin Laden, 9/11 would have never happened.

343
goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:30:34pm
344
Kid A  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:33:35pm

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

From your link. These morons:
“The government reports that a record 94.4 million Americans are not in the labor force. That is almost a third of the country. How can the same government declare that the official unemployment rate is only 5 percent?”

Uh, the fact that the majority of the people in the number you cite are in high school or are retired?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:34:22pm

re: #334 Stanley Sea Toujours

Ya’ll. Shipment from Macy’s scheduled today via fed ex.

All of a sudden switched from “end of the day” to “pending”

What a load of crap. So over it.

On Friday we were supposed to get our shipments of the frozen food stuff I’ve been doing. It was in the area by Friday morning, so I was surprised when it didn’t come on Friday.

Then it was supposed to be on Saturday. Saturday afternoon and it still wasn’t on the truck.

It arrived Monday afternoon, dry ice all gone, food visibly thawed in several cases. It hurt so much to have to toss that, but couldn’t be sure it was safe to eat any more. Props to the company, full refund and free shipping on the next order, for what was FedEx’s screw up through and through.

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KGxvi  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:35:11pm

re: #342 Kid A

Oh bullshit. Trump just said that if the government had done what he said about Osama bin Laden, 9/11 would have never happened.

what did he say he said that the government should have done? also, when did he say it? because I was pretty well informed about politics before 9/11 and I’d never heard of Osama bin Laden or Al Qeada

347
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:36:10pm

Why does Santa have a menorah?

A Lubavitcher Hasid was at the mall, passing out menorahs and candles to shoppers. Santa called him over and said “Rabbi, many times kids who ask me for gifts tell me they’re Jewish. Do you know where I can get some Hanukkah toys to give them?”

The Hasid was stunned, and he gave Santa a dozen menorahs and boxes of candles.

Some people might be OMG THAT’S SO OFFENSIVE but I think it’s kind of sweet.

348
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:36:11pm

re: #345 klys (maker of Silmarils)

On Friday we were supposed to get our shipments of the frozen food stuff I’ve been doing. It was in the area by Friday morning, so I was surprised when it didn’t come on Friday.

Then it was supposed to be on Saturday. Saturday afternoon and it still wasn’t on the truck.

It arrived Monday afternoon, dry ice all gone, food visibly thawed in several cases. It hurt so much to have to toss that, but couldn’t be sure it was safe to eat any more. Props to the company, full refund and free shipping on the next order, for what was FedEx’s screw up through and through.

Great. I feel even better now!!!

:)

349
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:37:27pm

re: #348 Stanley Sea Toujours

Great. I feel even better now!!!

:)

Well, it did go to pending after telling us it was going to be delivered Tuesday so maybe pending says there’s hope for you yet!

But really FedEx is just on my shit list right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:42:07pm

re: #344 Kid A

From your link. These morons:
“The government reports that a record 94.4 million Americans are not in the labor force. That is almost a third of the country. How can the same government declare that the official unemployment rate is only 5 percent?”

Uh, the fact that the majority of the people in the number you cite are in high school or are retired?

Lazy moochers, think they can stop working just because they’re old, or in school, or raising children, or disabled!

351
Jack Burton  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:44:01pm

Way earlier in this thread:

re: #18 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go ahead and play the Godwin card now

We are so far past Godwin at this point… it is now irresponsible to *not* make Hitler references.

Everyone who has called Obama and/or GWB Hitler take note… this is what it looks like when it starts to be appropriate rather than just hyperpartisan histrionics to do that.

352
Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:44:51pm
353
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:46:05pm

re: #342 Kid A

Oh bullshit. Trump just said that if the government had done what he said about Osama bin Laden, 9/11 would have never happened.

“Shut the fuck up, Donny! You’re out of your element!”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:51:02pm

re: #344 Kid A

From your link. These morons:
“The government reports that a record 94.4 million Americans are not in the labor force. That is almost a third of the country. How can the same government declare that the official unemployment rate is only 5 percent?”

Uh, the fact that the majority of the people in the number you cite are in high school or are retired?

yup

Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, October 2015

ss 56,653,000
ssi 5,570,000

ssa.gov

americans 15 to 19 years : 22,040,343

factfinder.census.gov

what is the lower age limit on americans not in the labor force?

355
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:51:12pm
356
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:51:17pm

Yup

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:52:46pm

re: #356 Stanley Sea Toujours

Yup

[Embedded content]

WTF?

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gocart mozart  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:54:13pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Some people might be OMG THAT’S SO OFFENSIVE but I think it’s kind of sweet.

Curious, what kind of stunod would find that offensive?

359
Brian J.  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:54:41pm

re: #354 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

yup

Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, October 2015

ss 56,653,000
ssi 5,570,000

ssa.gov

americans 15 to 19 years : 22,040,343

factfinder.census.gov

what is the lower age limit on americans not in the labor force?

16 years and over

data.bls.gov

360
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:54:52pm

re: #356 Stanley Sea Toujours

361
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:55:11pm

Another for Jenner’s list

362
Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:55:40pm

re: #357 Dr. Matt

WTF?

Fascists support fellow fascists.

363
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:57:32pm

re: #354 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

yup

Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, October 2015

ss 56,653,000
ssi 5,570,000

ssa.gov

americans 15 to 19 years : 22,040,343

factfinder.census.gov

what is the lower age limit on americans not in the labor force?

They use the Civilian Noninstitutional Population, i.e.

Persons 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are not inmates of institutions (e.g., penal and mental facilities, homes for the aged), and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.

364
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:58:06pm

re: #356 Stanley Sea Toujours

Yup

[Embedded content]

Figures.

365
blueraven  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:58:35pm

re: #354 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

yup

Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, October 2015

ss 56,653,000
ssi 5,570,000

ssa.gov

americans 15 to 19 years : 22,040,343

factfinder.census.gov

what is the lower age limit on americans not in the labor force?

And of course that doesn’t account for the stay at home Moms (or Dads).

366
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 4:59:26pm

re: #352 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

Isn’t she also an elected official? WTF.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:01:14pm

0 to 667 (and counting) shares in just a few hours:

Need Assistance ! Have Federal Judge “John Goree” of Social Security Administration mis-stating, changing n falsifying…

Posted by Brad Bartelt on Wednesday, December 9, 2015
368
FormerDirtDart  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:01:59pm

re: #354 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

yup

Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, October 2015

ss 56,653,000
ssi 5,570,000

ssa.gov

americans 15 to 19 years : 22,040,343

factfinder.census.gov

what is the lower age limit on americans not in the labor force?

You can add one more, me. 52, not institutionalized, not drawing SS or SSI.
But receiving retirement benefits from Uncle Sugar
Yep, just another lazy good for nothing loser mooching off the Federal teat

369
Dr. Matt  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:02:34pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Isn’t she also an elected official? WTF.

Yup. She’s also a birfer and her husband was part of the Bundy Ranch terrorists: rawstory.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:03:05pm

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Such personal responsibility. Oh wait, that’s only for blacks and poor people not for the GOP. Deal with it NRO, Trump is all your and you’l happily support him over Hillary or Bernie because yo’re a bunch of fascist wankers too.

371
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:03:39pm

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Yup. She’s also a birfer and her husband was part of the Bundy Ranch terrorists: rawstory.com

Such a crazy world we live in.

372
BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:04:28pm

re: #367 Dr. Matt

0 to 667 (and counting) shares in just a few hours:

[Embedded content]

According to this story, somebody reported it and he was checked on yesterday:

Authorities went to Brad Bartelt’s home on Wednesday after being alerted regarding a post on the suspect’s Facebook page complaining about John Goree, a judge for the Office of Disability Adjudication and Review in Little Rock…

However, officers were told that Bartelt “was already seeking medical assistance” when they arrived at his home.

rawstory.com

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:04:59pm

Since I’m here late I’m responding to the article that kicked off this thread.

Sen. Sessions? You and the rest of the GOP are a bunch of retrograde, Neanderthaloid bigots. You shouldn’t even be allowed to play with fire, never mind hold power in the US Congress.

I’ll be very happy when you and your fellow travellers are relegated to the dustbin of history and serve no purpose other than an object lesson in stupidity and evil.

374
BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:08:03pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Such a crazy world we live in.

Speaking of crazy…

littlegreenfootballs.com

(Am I remembering right that you’ve commented on him before?_)

375
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:08:28pm

I’m tired of MBF bullshit too by people who are too absolutist for their own damn good.Don’t give me this both parties crap, when the fonrtrunner of one party wants to ban people from entering this country sipmnly because of their religious beliefs.

376
Skip Intro  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:09:28pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Such a crazy world we live in.

377
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:10:07pm

re: #374 BeachDem

Speaking of crazy…

littlegreenfootballs.com

(Am I remembering right that you’ve commented on him before?_)

Yep, he was the GOP candidate for LT Governor here in 2013. Not surprised that who’s who in the VA GOP theocrat asshole wing are backing Cruz. Dick Black is supporting Teabag Ted as well.

378
BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:10:48pm

re: #377 HappyWarrior

Yep, he was the GOP candidate for LT Governor here in 2013. Not surprised that who’s who in the VA GOP theocrat asshole wing are backing Cruz. Dick Black is supporting Teabag Ted as well.

Thought you’d get a kick out of Hunter’s article—particularly the headline.

379
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:10:53pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

They use the Civilian Noninstitutional Population, i.e.

The trends that explain most of the decline are the aging of the population - we Boomers never planned to work forever, you know!; the increase in young (16-24 y.o.) in school - like we keep telling them, get an education! ; and the decline in the percentage of women working, after that surged from 1980-2000.

The whole ‘94 million unemployed!’ thing is just because it’s the only statistic they can use that seems to be going their way.

380
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:12:41pm

re: #378 BeachDem

Thought you’d get a kick out of Hunter’s article—particularly the headline.

Haha yeah he’s insane. I’m surprised that Ken Cuccinelli hasn’t been linked ot Cruz yet but my opinion is like Sarah Palin, Kenny thinks no one is pure enough for his breeches.

381
goddamnedfrank  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:16:09pm

Anti Vax Ad on MSNBC what the holy fuck!

382
BeachDem  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:18:33pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Haha yeah he’s insane. I’m surprised that Ken Cuccinelli hasn’t been linked ot Cruz yet but my opinion is like Sarah Palin, Kenny thinks no one is pure enough for his breeches.

And, like Sarah Palin, he’s a grifting, lying asshole.

383
Snarknado!  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:21:35pm

So I’m on another ship, departing for Mexico this time. There will be news, but limited internet (LGF!). Hope I can stay sane without all of you… maybe if I limit myself to the BBC?

Forget it, I’m a news junkie. Even when all the national news is of Trump.

See you in a week or so. I assume these days the even loonie bins have wifi!

384
HappyWarrior  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:22:57pm

re: #382 BeachDem

And, like Sarah Palin, he’s a grifting, lying asshole.

Oh yeah big time. Gillespie’s probably running again next time too. Yuck either way. I do like our Dem Lt Governor Northam who’s going to be the frontrunner for the governor job since AG Herring doesn’t want it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:23:21pm

[note to self: read all the comments before posting]

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unproven innocence  Dec 10, 2015 • 5:28:30pm

re: #383 Snarknado!

So I’m on another ship, departing for Mexico this time. There will be news, but limited internet (LGF!). Hope I can stay sane without all of you… maybe if I limit myself to the BBC?

Forget it, I’m a news junkie. Even when all the national news is of Trump.

See you in a week or so. I assume these days the even loonie bins have wifi!

Avoid ATMs that are not at (or inside) a bank.

387
Jebediah, RBG  Dec 10, 2015 • 7:14:46pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Shamash! It’s called the Shamash.

Does anyone remember if Bruce Banner is a member of the tribe?

388
Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 10, 2015 • 7:20:35pm

re: #247 sagehen

Beautiful candles, but WHERE’S THE LATKES???

I ate them for lunch with some falafel!


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