GOP Debate Thread 1: The Kiddie Clown Car

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And here we go with yet another clown show, as the Republican Party puts its best and brightest clowns on CNN to basically all say the same things, interspersed with personal attacks and boasting.

This show is on CNN and they don’t have an embedded version, but you can watch it live on this page.

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489 comments
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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:38:44pm

UFC gives us skimpily dressed young women to hold up the round cards.

What do we get here?

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:39:27pm

Wait.. the hoax in LA was “radical Islam”???

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Joe Bacon  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:39:31pm

re: #1 freetoken

UFC gives us skimpily dressed young women to hold up the round cards.

What do we get here?

Hugh Hewitt wearing a Bike jockstrap…

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:40:04pm

re: #2 freetoken

Wait.. the hoax in LA was “radical Islam”???

Radical Islam is the new Communism!

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:40:09pm

“Radical Islam poses a threat to our safety in literally every community in America.”

Really?

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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:40:24pm

GOP fear-fest.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:40:35pm

WWIII !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:40:45pm

Santorum: WWIII has begun and we have a commander in chief who has not been honest with us.

IRAN HAZ A NUCLEAR WEAPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:41:21pm

So far, Obama is a big fat liar…

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:41:24pm

Santorum doesn’t even know why he’s there anymore.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:41:45pm

re: #10 Major Tom

The entire undercard is there to get a better paying job.

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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:11pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:28pm

re: #7 freetoken

When do the rations start?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:30pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Santorum: WWIII has begun and we have a commander in chief who has not been honest with us.

IRAN HAZ A NUCLEAR WEAPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m honestly starting to give less of a shit which of our barely-hanging-on-to-sanity dictatorships have nukes. Right now, we have so many other problems to solve, and honestly, I highly doubt by this point that any organized state would be dumb enough or crazy enough to actually launch one at anyone, knowing it would turn quite literally the entire world against them.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:39pm

They all have the look of poor schmucks told by their wives not to come home until they get the job.

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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:48pm

Fuck you, Wolf.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:42:59pm

Palin in the crowd?!!!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:01pm

re: #15 Major Tom

They all have the look of poor schmucks told by their wives not to come home until they get the job.

FTFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:04pm

Huckabee: Americans are scared they are going to a Christmas party and get shot.

Well, War on Christmas is just like Lexington and Concord now, I guess…

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Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:27pm

Well the huckster goes right to the scare mongering

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:31pm

re: #11 freetoken

The entire undercard is there to get a better paying job.

In 20 years they’ll be boasting to their great-grandchildren that they weren’t part of the frontrunner pack.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:48pm

re: #20 Bubblehead II

Well the huckster goes right to the scare mongering

First one to go full dumbass wins the prize, don’tcha know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:43:55pm

Well…Lindsey making some sense right now.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:44:19pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well…Lindsey making some sense right now.

Dude is still in office.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:44:39pm

If Lindsey starts to cry, he has my vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:45:25pm

Lindsey will take a page from Bob Dole and may just sleep in on Election Day but he’ll still support Trump if he’s a nominee.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:45:38pm

You guyz, I don’t think Obama is gonna win another term!! :(.

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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:45:45pm
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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:45:52pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

No one said that answers had to make sense.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:46:00pm

re: #27 InfidelOfFreedom

You guyz, I don’t think Obama is gonna win another term!! :(.

Dammit! I was going to vote for him, but now I’m discouraged.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:46:01pm

re: #27 InfidelOfFreedom

You guyz, I don’t think Obama is gonna win another term!! :(.

I know.
:(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:46:26pm

Pataki: Donald Trump is the Know Nothing candidate.

But he blames Hillary and Obama for all this jihad stuff.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:46:32pm

From the previous thread

re: #397 Bubblehead II

Santorum. WW 3 has started. Yeah, we are not war mongers.

Wait a sec, Santorum is still in the race? I was planning to skip the debates, but no way in hell I’m gonna miss this comedy gold.

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Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:46:42pm

Lindsey. I’ll vote for Trump. But I’ll probably sleep in that day.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:47:38pm

re: #34 Bubblehead II

And if Trump is the nominee, I’ll get up early to vote for Hillary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:47:38pm

Santorum: Obama doesn’t have a policy for vetting Muslims coming into this country.
Not all Muslims are jihadists, but all jihadists are Muslims.

STFU, Rick

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:48:30pm

Just pure bull shit from these four.

Why does Lindsay sound like he’s ready to burst into tears??

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:48:59pm

re: #37 Jenner7

Just pure bull shit from these four.

Why does Lindsay sound like he’s ready to burst into tears??

Wishful thinking suggests maybe he realizes just how completely batshit crazy his competitors are.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:49:28pm

re: #37 Jenner7

Its a nervous thing.

I’ve heard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:49:38pm

Huckabee: I’d rather have Trump be president than Hillary and he’d be a better president than Obama has.

good fucking grief.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:49:39pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

Wishful thinking suggests maybe he realizes just how completely batshit crazy his competitors are.

And that he’s losing to them.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:49:39pm

How can Blitzer ask these questions with a straight face?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:11pm

Huckabee says Obama refuses to go fight.

bin Laden is unavailable to respond.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:24pm

re: #42 freetoken

How can Blitzer ask these questions with a straight face?

He’s pretty much used to it by now.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:26pm
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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:42pm

SAN BERNARDINO!
SAN BERNARDINO!
SAN BERNARDINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:50:54pm

Anyone who promises absolute safety and a free society is knowingly LYING.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:51:29pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

He’s pretty much used to it by now.

Wolf Blitzer is the Grandmaster of Stupid!
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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:51:49pm

re: #48 InfidelOfFreedom

Anyone who promises absolute safety and a free society is knowingly LYING.

All it takes is 6,000 miles of wall.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:51:55pm

re: #49 Joe Bacon

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I don’t care how many times it gets posted, that shit NEVER gets old.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:52:25pm

Ha ha. Wolf Blitzer is moderating?!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:52:34pm

Nasty isolationists are keeping us from bombing more.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:52:37pm

What’s a tarist?

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:52:44pm

Lindsey found his druthers

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:01pm

Here, take my fan, Lindsey.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:09pm

re: #53 freetoken

Nasty isolationists are keeping us from bombing more.

“Isolationists”? Seriously, that’s what they’re going with?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:17pm

re: #54 InfidelOfFreedom

What’s a tarist?

Roofer. Probably Mexican.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:21pm

re: #51 thedopefishlives

I don’t care how many times it gets posted, that shit NEVER gets old.

This one too;
Geraldo Rivera dunked by Hurricane Ike (repeatedly)

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:26pm

re: #52 Amory Blaine

Ha ha. Wolf Blitzer is moderating?! Embedded Image

That’s the look on my face right now.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:28pm

Trust big government!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:53:52pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

So far, Obama is a big fat liar…

You forgot “black Kenyan”. Plus you need to work in the word “Benghazi!!!”

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BeachDem  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:54:21pm

re: #42 freetoken

How can Blitzer ask these questions with a straight face?

He’s well paid.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:54:25pm

Yes, let’s check out the Facebook posts… such as the wingnut Americans who go gunning down groups of students.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:54:52pm

re: #63 BeachDem

Lobotomy.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:54:53pm

re: #64 freetoken

Yes, let’s check out the Facebook posts… such as the wingnut Americans who go gunning down groups of students.

And when Facebook tells the government to go fuck themselves, I am going to laugh. Heartily.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:55:04pm

re: #42 freetoken

How can Blitzer ask these questions with a straight face?

When hiding under a coffee table in his hotel room during the bombing of Baghdad is the highlight of your career, anything is possible.

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:55:08pm

So, they want FB comments looked at, but we can’t have background checks because 2a rights.

Okay then.

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SirMixALot  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:55:37pm

I hope the light fixtures fall on top of them all. So tired of hearing from the KKKlown KKKar.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:55:48pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:06pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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*flips desk, lights on fire*

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Joe Bacon  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:12pm

I’m waiting for the next episode of “Trump Or Consequences”!

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:29pm

re: #66 thedopefishlives

And when Facebook tells the government to go fuck themselves, I am going to laugh. Heartily.

Somewhere out there, Zuckerberg is busy putting together a LOL FUCK YOU post to tell these imbeciles that no, FB isn’t going to let the feds look through everyone’s posts willy nilly.

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BeachDem  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:32pm

re: #65 InfidelOfFreedom

Lobotomy.

Unnecessary surgery. (Assumes brain not in evidence.)

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:35pm

How come these guys weren’t concerned about Roof’s FB page comments before he murdered 9 people??

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:40pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our former NY governor. Sorry ‘bout that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:56:52pm

dozens and dozens of attacks in New York City?

oooh! Garland Texas where cops courageously killed the terrorists!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:57:09pm

re: #74 BeachDem

Haha. Nice.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:57:45pm

Heck you, Heckabee!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:01pm

re: #73 Lidane

Somewhere out there, Zuckerberg is busy putting together a LOL FUCK YOU post to tell these imbeciles that no, FB isn’t going to let the feds look through everyone’s posts willy nilly.

After all the shit the NSA got for their data collection program, that any serious politician would actually suggest such a thing is, well, “tone-deaf” doesn’t even begin to cover it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:15pm

Huckabee you asshole, mosques in the USA have an open invitation to anyone to attend services.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:34pm

The 538 chat raised an interesting point: though we usually think of governorship as being the best stepping-stone to a nomination, of the nine (!) current and former governors in the GOP race, three are actually out, three are in the JV, and one is Jeb?. Nobody ever took Pataki with more than a grain of salt, but there were a lot of Very Serious candidates in that list.

The thing about being governor is that, as the head of your little fiefdom, you actually have to get shit done, and if that shit don’t get done, it’s your ass the voters will be after. You need to actually compromise and propose and lead. You can’t just throw rhetorical votebombs under cover of veto like Cruz or Rand or whoever.

Voters this cycle don’t seem to want to pick anybody who actually does things, or even knows how to do things. They want somebody bombastic. They want somebody who will just burn shit down.

Yayyyy.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:46pm
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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:47pm

Gun-sex trumps terror-fear.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:52pm

re: #79 InfidelOfFreedom

Heck you, Heckabee!

Most sloppily tossed word salad since Palin’s last utterance.

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BeachDem  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:58:59pm

re: #75 Jenner7

How come these guys weren’t concerned about Roof’s FB page comments before he murdered 9 people??

That’s different because reasons. Poor, misunderstood, lone wolf reasons.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 3:59:54pm

SHARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:00:05pm

re: #87 freetoken

SHARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, but is it creeping?

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BeachDem  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:00:10pm

re: #82 Testy Toad T

The 538 chat raised an interesting point: though we usually think of governorship as being the best stepping-stone to a nomination, of the nine (!) current and former governors in the GOP race, three are actually out, three are in the JV, and one is Jeb?. Nobody ever took Pataki with more than a grain of salt, but there were a lot of Very Serious candidates in that list.

The thing about being governor is that, as the head of your little fiefdom, you actually have to get shit done, and if that shit don’t get done, it’s your ass the voters will be after. You need to actually compromise and propose and lead. You can’t just throw rhetorical votebombs under cover of veto like Cruz or Rand or whoever.

Voters this cycle don’t seem to want to pick anybody who actually does things, or even knows how to do things. They want somebody bombastic. They want somebody who will just burn shit down.

Yayyyy.

Kasich and Christie.

Edit: Oh, I see you mentioned 9 but only talked about 7—sorry.

I’m so confused!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:00:29pm

Santorum does realize his own denomination has its own religious by-laws? Shite, the Catholic church practically invented the concept.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:01:08pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

Yes, but is it creeping?

According to Santorum, it has ever since the 7th Century…

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:01:34pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I have in fact been invited to come to a Friday prayer and listen to a sermon. I mean, yeah, it wasn’t my culture and I felt a little weird and out of place, but it was pretty good… a hell of a lot better than some of the dreck I’ve heard at church, and I’ve sure as shit never set foot in a pants-on-head fire-and-brimstone shithole like Huckabee pretends to lead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:01:58pm

Encryption…it is baaaaaaadddd……..

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:02:32pm

Good response from Lindsey.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:02:46pm

re: #94 Amory Blaine

Good response from Lindsey.

Dude is still in office.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:02:47pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Encryption…it is baaaaaaadddd……..

Bwaaaa?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:02:50pm

I’ve Jihadit with these clowns!

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Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:03:24pm

I wonder how they would respond if they changed muslim to christian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:03:33pm

Lindsey: We’re at war and they are ALL TRYING TO COME HERE TO KILL US ALL!!!!!!!!

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:04:07pm

re: #88 thedopefishlives

Yes, but is it creeping?

I dunno, can turkeys really “creep”?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:04:33pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

I wonder how they would respond if they changed muslim to christian.

Something along the lines of, BUTBUTBUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM CHRISTIAN NATION UNDER GOD STARS AND STRIPES AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!!!

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:04:49pm

re: #100 Testy Toad T

I dunno, can turkeys really “creep”?

Creep? No. Saunter? Oh Yeah.

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Archangelus  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:05:33pm

re: #42 freetoken

How can Blitzer ask these questions with a straight face?

Tons of sedatives and/or forced botox would be my guess…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:05:35pm

Huckabee comparing today’s fight against to ISIL to Operation Desert Storm.

gaahhhhhh

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:05:38pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course, Mike, you’re not going to mention that in such a circumstance the shooter is far more likely to be a white ‘conservative’ male than an Islamic terrorist.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:05:57pm

You know what was a massacre in Paris, Huck? That incredibly boring Godard movie my date dragged me to back in 1974.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:05:57pm

re: #92 Testy Toad T

I have in fact been invited to come to a Friday prayer and listen to a sermon. I mean, yeah, it wasn’t my culture and I felt a little weird and out of place, but it was pretty good… a hell of a lot better than some of the dreck I’ve heard at church, and I’ve sure as shit never set foot in a pants-on-head fire-and-brimstone shithole like Huckabee pretends to lead.

A nice kid in Erzurum tried to convert me. Or maybe he was trying to sell me a rug. At any rate, he was very impressed with Cat Stevens.

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Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:06:14pm

Uhmmm, If I want to send a message(s) over a cell phone, it will be as an attachment(s) (encrypted). So much for your back door.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:06:41pm

re: #108 Bubblehead II

Uhmmm, If I want to send a message(s) over a cell phone, it will be as an attachment(s) (encrypted). So much for your back door.

Technology, how does it work?

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:06:57pm

Derp ~ re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee comparing today’s fight against to ISIL to Operation Desert Storm.

gaahhhhhh

Appealing to Wolf. It was the last known time he had a spark inside his head.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:07:19pm

Graham: “I would stay.” Syria would be the 51st state!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:07:24pm

oooh…Lindsey said “bastards”…

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:07:28pm

Graham really doesn’t like the isolationists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:08:25pm

Santorum throwing around the word “caliphate” and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know the actual meaning of the word.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:08:29pm

You know nothing about the Ottoman Empire, Rick Santorum.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:08:47pm

re: #113 freetoken

Graham really doesn’t like the isolationists.

Lindsey is a Judge Advocate General Officer, or as we abbreviated it, a JAG Off.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:08:51pm

Awesome Santorum wants to defeat Islamic extremism by occupying their holy land.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:08:59pm

Michael Twitty said this about Trump’s followers
It’s graphic so I’m putting it in a spoiler. BEWARE.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:09:05pm

re: #115 De Kolta Chair

You only needed the first three words.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:09:37pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

They’re just pissed it’s not their form of political correctness.

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:10:08pm

I went to my Husband’s work Christmas Party and not once did I think someone was going to come in and kill me. I have to live my life not worrying about ISIS or even a crazy Christian terrorist coming to kill me. These candidates want to scare you so much you’ll vote for their party. That’s fucking evil. There’s something wrong with these people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:10:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:10:28pm

Santorum is such an expert on radical Islam

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Kryptik  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:10:44pm

re: #120 Romantic Heretic

They’re just pissed it’s not their form of political correctness.

“Political Correctness” is sadly only one of many language coups the right wing has had, to the point of many lefties parroting this shit as well and acting like “PC” is the greatest crime in the fucking universe.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:10:55pm

Yes, Rick, all your religious ramblings sound like “gobbledygook”.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:11:00pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

Actually he said “one of the many things this president has said…”

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:11:51pm

Oh my, Lindsay’s winning this one. Total BS when it comes to details — what he says about US ground forces for example — but being the biggest bullshitter is how you win a GOP debate.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:15pm

“We’re running out of time…”

Sure.

But the time we won’t have is that needed for something reasonable out of this political campaign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:26pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:33pm

re: #121 Jenner7

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I went to my Husband’s work Christmas Party and not once did I think someone was going to come in and kill me. I have to live my life not worrying about ISIS or even a crazy Christian terrorist coming to kill me. These candidates want to scare you so much you’ll vote for their party. That’s fucking evil. There’s something wrong with these people.

Fear is all they know. It’s what they do. It’s how they exercise control over their constituents. For those of you who are fortunate enough to have lived life outside the fear-bubble, I imagine it can be a bit confusing at times.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:51pm

Yes, guv Pataki, vets love nothing more than being patronized.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:51pm

re: #127 De Kolta Chair

Oh my, Lindsay’s winning this one. Total BS when it comes to details — what he says about US ground forces for example — but being the biggest bullshitter is how you win a GOP debate.

What do they win, a booster seat?

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:12:55pm

Military luv - cheap pop.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:04pm

re: #54 InfidelOfFreedom

What’s a tarist?

That is a person who plays a class of stringed instruments melodically.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:12pm

Did Huck just say his boys are going to lead the fight against ISIL?

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:15pm

Lindsey is directing Turkish troops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:20pm

Huckabee: Free college? Free medical marijuana? We’re not gonna give you anything but the opportunity to serve your country…

O_o

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:23pm

Blitzer is such a dork.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:34pm

re: #117 Major Tom

Awesome Santorum wants to defeat Islamic extremism by occupying their holy land.

While chanting “Onward Christian soldier, marching into war!”

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:54pm

re: #136 Amory Blaine

Lindsey is directing Turkish troops.

The Sultan of South Carolina.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:14:56pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: Free college? Free medical marijuana? We’re not gonna give you anything but the opportunity to serve your country…

O_o

Will this also include the Duggar family?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:37pm

Hey Huckster, did such a “robust” army help pacify Iraq in the long-term?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:46pm

Huckabee says we’re trying to win this war on the cheap???

fuck off.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:49pm

re: #141 electrotek

Donald Trump set the example of service… er… uh… well…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:51pm

re: #140 freetoken

The Sultan of South Carolina.

Sillyman the Magnificent.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:53pm

Memo to Huck: needz moar warlike Jesus.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:15:57pm

how many magic sparkle pony easy solutions to intractable problems have we logged so far?

i mean donald will fix everything so fast it’ll make your head spin you’ll love it i tellya you’ll love it

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thecommodore  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:00pm

Santorum sounds like he’s in the midst of a painful bowel movement every time he speaks.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:18pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: Free college? Free medical marijuana? We’re not gonna give you anything but the opportunity to serve your country…

O_o

There’s nothing my millennial friends want more than an opportunity to have more of their friends go bleed for somebody else’s godforsaken desert on the other side of the world.

We focus-grouped this once. It tested great. I wonder if anybody remembers.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:23pm

MOAR WAR!!!!!!!! makes for an incredibly boring “debate”.

Even my co-workers are rolling their eyes at all this bullshit.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:29pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Sillyman the Magnificent.

I thought he was talking about the Sultan of Swat for a second.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:32pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee says we’re trying to win this war on the cheap???

fuck off.

We’re still spending money on foreign aid and social programs. If we cut all of that out and sent all the savings to the military, then we might be spending enough.

153
Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:16:42pm

Why does International Relations always boil down to fourth grade school-yard bully avoidance tactics?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:17:14pm

re: #153 Major Tom

Why does International Relations always boil down to fourth grade school-yard bully avoidance tactics?

That’s not what I learned from my International Relations class at uni.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:17:15pm

re: #130 thedopefishlives

Fear is all they know. It’s what they do. It’s how they exercise control over their constituents. For those of you who are fortunate enough to have lived life outside the fear-bubble, I imagine it can be a bit confusing at times.

I’M NOT SCARED!! I’M ANGRY!!! ANGRY THAT I HAVE TO BE SCARED OF CHRISTMAS (YEAH, I SAID CHRISTMAS, NOT “HOLIDAY”) PARTIES!! ANGRY THAT I HAVE TO BE SCARED OF THAT SWARTHY GUY WITH THE THING ON HIS HEAD WHO RUNS THE CONVENIENCE STORE!!!

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:17:16pm

Another Iraq style invasion will be just the thing to bring the bankruptcy they so desperately want.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:17:22pm
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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:17:53pm

Why do these assholes always brag about supporting Kurds when they obviously hate Muslims so much?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:18:19pm
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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:18:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:18:38pm

re: #158 electrotek

Why do these assholes always brag about supporting Kurds when they obviously hate Muslims so much?

It’s the Republican whey.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:18:45pm

It’s a damned shame we waste the quasi-functional four-head debate on these nobodies. I mean, not that I think the top four of the GOP are any hot shit, but the idea of a ten-ish person head-to-head debate is just ludicrous.

At least the theater used to be less transparent. Nobody gives a rat’s ass about listening to Rand Paul or one of the Democrats whose names I cannot even remember.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:06pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like a ‘37 or an A320. Brakes failed, maybe?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:07pm

Santorum should change his first name to Rock.

“Rock Santorum, P.I., Jesus Awaiter”

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:14pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

It’s the Republican whey.

*WHACK!*

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:21pm

He said “nation build”.

Well, someone said it, the jobber.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:32pm

re: #135 De Kolta Chair

Did Huck just say his boys are going to lead the fight against ISIL?

They’ll shoot ‘em like dogs! And those boys know about shooting dogs!

Too soon?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:19:38pm

re: #160 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Uhh… Uhh… Uhh… JESUS!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:08pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

I was told this debate was gluten free!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:16pm

“Bring on the virgins”.

The one memorable quote from this exercise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:24pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like it also ran out of front landing gear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:24pm

oooh, Lindsey stamping his little foot. He HATES Obama. He HATES what Obama did…

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:31pm

re: #163 thedopefishlives

It’s a 737. Southwest flies nothing else.

Also, the non-roundness of the engine intakes is a dead giveaway (it’s not squished from the crash). The 737 was initially designed with much narrower low-bypass-ratio engines, and to squeeze modern kit onto the airframe Boeing had to, well, squeeze it.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:31pm

I haytim I haytim haytim!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:37pm

re: #160 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Good point, and funny how none of these characters have mentioned the bravery of the Kurds, who with our backing have been kicking ISIL butt.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:37pm

Begged Obama not to give everything away? Lindsey Graham is full of shit.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:38pm

Someone get Lindsey’s smelling salts!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:20:39pm

Graham hates.

He really HATES.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:15pm

re: #170 freetoken

“Bring on the virgins”.

The one memorable quote from this exercise.

Oh man. Must… Resist…

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:17pm

re: #175 De Kolta Chair

Good point, and funny how none of these characters have mentioned the bravery of the Kurds, who with our backing have been kicking ISIL butt.

Or Iranian troops or Hezbollah militiamen who have been on the front lines against Da’esh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:26pm

Four letters for you Lindsey: AUMF.
Please explain why Congress has done jackshit about that since the beginning of the year.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:29pm

Not one follow up from Wolf. What a turd.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:33pm

Pootin… would have these guys for lunch.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:49pm

Wolf is such a tool.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:57pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

Four letters for you Lindsey: AUMF.
Please explain why Congress has done jackshit about that since the beginning of the year.

Because Obama.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:21:58pm

CNN sucks.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:22:30pm

Graham to Santorum backstage: “Was it good for you?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:22:39pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

Because Obama.

If they give him the authority to do what he’s already been doing for over a year, he might not use it!

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:22:47pm

re: #186 electrotek

I can’t remember when they were good… Mid to late nineties maybe?

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blueraven  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:23:07pm

Jesus, Lindsey is a heart attack waiting to happen. I don’t think he would make it through a first term.

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Cheechako  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:23:29pm

This “debate” is all about who can kill the most in the shortest amount of time.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:23:35pm

re: #190 blueraven

Jesus, Lindsey is a heart attack waiting to happen. I don’t think he would make it through a first term.

We’ll never know.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:23:43pm

re: #186 electrotek

CNN sucks.

They so want to be like Faux in the ratings that they are turning into Faux in programming.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:24:31pm

I know that he missed the Texas deadline but he missed Florida and Virginia too? WTF.

Why is he even still running?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:24:33pm

Did Huckabee serve in the military? No?

Shut the fuck up.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:10pm

If you can’t make the ballot in every state in the union, GTFO the debate stage.

I’m sorry, but I’m actually not sorry. You are wasting everyone’s time.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:30pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:32pm

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

Did Huckabee serve in the military? No?

Shut the fuck up.

Chickenhuck.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:39pm

Huck won’t support Assad’s “reelection bid”? WTF does that even mean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:39pm

Huckabee: Asaad is a tyrant who was killing people. But he wasn’t killing Americans.

okay then…

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:50pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Chickenhuck.

This thread is now over.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:25:51pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:26:10pm

re: #194 Lidane

He feels it’s his patriotic duty to scare the shit out of us?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:26:16pm

Huckabee: Drill for oil! Dig that coal!

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:26:47pm

Nothing screams more Biblical than raping the planet of God’s green Earth, which is what Huckabee is advocating.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:26:48pm

re: #202 Lidane

Either a star “makes it” or they’re relegated to doing late night commercials forever.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:27:02pm

re: #194 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I know that he missed the Texas deadline but he missed Florida and Virginia too? WTF.

Why is he even still running?

The math at Pataki HQ is a map of the States and unrelated photographs tied together with yard of various colors.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:27:03pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: Asaad is a tyrant who was killing people. But he wasn’t killing Americans.

okay then…

Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ‘em right back.

I enjoyed Firefly, but I don’t particularly want to elect the captain of the ship to the presidency.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:27:34pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: Asaad is a tyrant who was killing people. But he wasn’t killing Americans.

okay then…

All lives matter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:27:36pm

re: #205 electrotek

Nothing screams more Biblical than raping the planet of God’s green Earth, which is what Huckabee is advocating.

Hey, God gave it all to us, and he won’t let us fuck it up too badly, so where’s the downside?
/////

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:27:51pm

re: #208 Testy Toad T

Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill ‘em right back.

I enjoyed Firefly, but I don’t particularly want to elect the captain of the ship to the presidency.

I don’t know. Nathan Fillion just might be more sensible than any of these dumbshits.///

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:01pm
Puppet of the Ayatollah
Proxy of Iran

Sounds like the start of an interesting poem.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:17pm
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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:17pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: Asaad is a tyrant who was killing people. But he wasn’t killing Americans.

okay then…

Oddly enough none of these people were making this argument when Bush invaded Iraq in 2003.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:28pm

THE DIRGE WORKED!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:33pm

re: #212 freetoken

Sounds like the start of an interesting poem.

Burma Shave array.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:36pm

Jesus what am I watching?

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:45pm

Sweet Jeebus…

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:28:48pm

Fact: The US imports very little oil from the Middle East.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:03pm

re: #217 Major Tom

Bush luv has returned.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:07pm

Uh, walking all over Obama? What the fuck does that make Bush’s refusal to back Georgia when Russia bombed the shit out of them in 2008?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:09pm

Hillary and Libya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:11pm

re: #217 Major Tom

re: #218 Jenner7

The fact that two of you said this within seconds of each other scares the hell out of me. What the hell did they say?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:14pm

re: #217 Major Tom

Jesus what am I watching?

Luis Bunuel’s greatest work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:23pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

I don’t know. Nathan Fillion just might be more sensible than any of these dumbshits.///

Even Jayne Cobb might be more sensible than several of these dumbshits. (Adam Baldwin was apparently playing someone more intelligent than himself)

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:34pm

re: #220 freetoken

Bush luv has returned.

If they really love Bush, they wouldn’t adopt the Islamophobic banter that is endemic with the GOP nowadays.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:44pm

re: #219 freetoken

Fact: The US imports very little oil from the Middle East.

All oil is fungicide!!

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:29:45pm

Just turned the tv on. Who are all these losers on CNN?

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:30:04pm

re: #223 thedopefishlives

Lindsey misses George W. Bush. ISIS is Obama’s fault.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:30:35pm

By criticizing Putin, Pataki just lost the Freeper vote.

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:30:39pm

Rick Santorum, former Republican senator. I’d like to emphasize “former.”

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:30:43pm

re: #228 Kid A

Just turned the tv on. Who are all these losers on CNN?

Undercard lineup.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:30:46pm

re: #223 thedopefishlives

The fact that two of you said this within seconds of each other scares the hell out of me. What the hell did they say?

Lindsey pined for Bush. Loudly. Petulantly.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:04pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

Even Jayne Cobb might be more sensible than several of these dumbshits. (Adam Baldwin was apparently playing someone more intelligent than himself)

River Tam for President.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:08pm

re: #233 Major Tom

Lindsey pined for Bush. Loudly. Petulantly.

Orgasmically.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:19pm

re: #226 electrotek

If they really love Bush, they wouldn’t adopt the Islamophobic banter that is endemic with the GOP nowadays.

They don’t love the REAL Bush. Like Zombie Reagan, they love the one they remember - ZomBush!

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:21pm
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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:26pm

re: #235 freetoken

Orgasmically.

Indeed.

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:31:55pm

Whoa! A question from a Moozlim!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:32:05pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

River Tam for President.

America Needs A President Who Can Kill You With Her Brain!

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:32:20pm

re: #239 Kid A

Whoa! A question from a Moozlim!

Think he was Hindu with that name.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:32:33pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, it’s good to get these things out of the way, statistically speaking.

/

I cracked open the bottle of gin I received (from my favoritest gin company) and it is just as good as remembered.

It seems an appropriate accompaniment to writing this evening.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:32:41pm

How many of these bozos realize that the Iranians supported the US invasion in Afghanistan in 2001?

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Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:32:53pm

In regards to this debate and the next one.

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:33:04pm

re: #241 electrotek

Think he was Hindu with that name.

THEY’RE ALL THE SAME!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:33:05pm

re: #233 Major Tom

Lindsey pined for Bush. Loudly. Petulantly.

Ugh… Sigh, I’m going to put this on the record. I tolerated Bush, voted for him twice (granted, I was still in my wingnut phase). Looking back, he was decent enough as presidents go; not as bad as some think, not nearly as good as the Right thinks. I definitely think Obama will, all around, be remembered as a better President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:33:20pm

re: #241 electrotek

Think he was Hindu with that name.

Moozlim, Hindoo, Seek, Messicans - they’s all BROWN!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:33:40pm

re: #233 Major Tom

Lindsey pined for Bush. Loudly. Petulantly.

He almost cried.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:34:03pm
You heard Graham just defend George W. Bush. That’s smart. According to an October CBS News poll, his favorable rating among Republicans was 67 percent. His unfavorable rating was just 8 percent.

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK, AMERICA

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:34:04pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

Ugh… Sigh, I’m going to put this on the record. I tolerated Bush, voted for him twice (granted, I was still in my wingnut phase). Looking back, he was decent enough as presidents go; not as bad as some think, not nearly as good as the Right thinks. I definitely think Obama will, all around, be remembered as a better President.

Bush, unlike Obama, had the balls to visit a mosque in the wake of 9/11. I am a staunch critic of the Bush admin, but I will always respect the fact that he was not fazed by anti-Muslim bigotry unlike the current crop of the GOP.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:34:06pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

He almost had me.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:02pm

And yet, alarmingly, I would 110.2% rather have George W. Bush take the reigns of the presidency again rather than any single moron currently running for the GOP nomination. It’s not even fucking close.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:04pm

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

Moozlim, Hindoo, Seek, Messicans - they’s all BROWN!!!

Someone should relay that message to Hindutva fundamentalists who think they are safe as long as they can ride on the coat-tails of anti-Muslim bigotry to fulfil their list of historical grievances against Muslims.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:11pm

hands in pockets…. what are these guys talking about??

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:41pm
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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:48pm

Dammit Huckabee. Now I have this song in my head:

Alanis Morissette - Hand In My Pocket

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Cheechako  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:35:51pm

Is there any other topics beside the middle east?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:13pm

Huckabee: we’re not sending our sons and daughters, our grandsons and granddaughters…

No shit, your kids are like the humans in WALL-E. You want to send everyone ELSE’S kids and grandkids to war.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:13pm

re: #254 freetoken

hands in pockets…. what are these guys talking about??

Princess Buttercup.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:15pm

No, Lindsay, “they” would not trust you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:20pm

HURR HURR HAV FREE WAR!!!!!11!!!!!

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blueraven  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:26pm

Lindsey said the surge worked. He is full of shit. IIRC the point of the surge was to create space for a political solution. That did NOT happen. In fact, the opposite did.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:28pm

re: #257 Cheechako

Is there any other topics beside the middle east?

This is the “national security” debate.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:30pm

re: #252 Testy Toad T

And yet, alarmingly, I would 110.2% rather have George W. Bush take the reigns of the presidency again rather than any single moron currently running for the GOP nomination. It’s not even fucking close.

with Cheney?

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:47pm

NO FLY ZONE!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:48pm

re: #249 Testy Toad T

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK, AMERICA Republicans

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:36:55pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee: we’re not sending our sons and daughters, our grandsons and granddaughters…

No shit, your kids are like the humans in WALL-E. You want to send everyone ELSE’S kids and grandkids to war.

No, not everyone’s. Just the poor ones. Time to bring back an oldie but a goodie: “Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:04pm

re: #252 Testy Toad T

And yet, alarmingly, I would 110.2% rather have George W. Bush take the reigns of the presidency again rather than any single moron currently running for the GOP nomination. It’s not even fucking close.

I disagree. George W. Bush let the people in his administration walk all over him because he didn’t know what to do. I don’t think there was any sincerity in his attitude towards Islam during his Presidency. He and Dick were more or less playing good cop/bad cop.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:10pm

re: #257 Cheechako

Is there any other topics beside the middle east?

There’s Paris, re: #264 Barefoot Grin

with Cheney?

They forget that Putin never respected Cheney.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:19pm

I don’t like flies either. Dirty little creatures.

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:27pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

I voted for Bush four times (twice for Governor), and unlike the right’s absolute insane hatred of Obama, I don’t hate the man though I disagreed with many, many things that he did. He is one of the many reasons that I ran from the GOP, and Obama is one of the main reasons I’ve been able to maintain my sanity the last seven years. I like and respect Obama very much, and I think history will judge him well. Letter grade? A solid “B.”

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:39pm

re: #250 electrotek

Bush, unlike Obama, had the balls to visit a mosque in the wake of 9/11. I am a staunch critic of the Bush admin, but I will always respect the fact that he was not fazed by anti-Muslim bigotry unlike the current crop of the GOP.

Or he was pragmatic enough to want to make it clear that the US did not consider itself at war with a quarter of the population of the globe.

That’s what’s so staggering and, if I’m being honest, frustrating about the current vitriol. Fuck American principles or human rights or whatever, even in the most amoral of vacuums it’s sheer lunacy to treat this like a frothy crusade.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:53pm

Santorum just did an impressive dance to avoid saying that he would shoot down a Russian plane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:37:57pm

re: #267 thedopefishlives

No, not everyone’s. Just the poor ones. Time to bring back an oldie but a goodie: “Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.”

All but the “Fortunate Son”s.

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bratwurst  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:38:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:38:41pm

Pataki would give Ukraine lethal weapons.

O_o

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:38:45pm

Pataki: I’ll blow up Putin real good!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:39:23pm

re: #262 blueraven

Lindsey said the surge worked. He is full of shit. IIRC the point of the surge was to create space for a political solution. That did NOT happen. In fact, the opposite did.

IIRC, the Surge only “worked” because the Sunnis who’d been supporting the insurgency decided to see if the Iraqi Gov’t was serious about unity.

It wasn’t.

Now the same folks who were disappointed by the Iraqi Gov’t are supporting ISIS.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:39:27pm

re: #253 electrotek

After the incident in India the guy lynched for freezer that was rumored to have beef, I have been a bit grumpy.

Is there data on how many American Hindus align with Hindutva?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:39:29pm

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pataki would give Ukraine lethal weapons.

O_o

Something tells me Ukraine would not welcome that.

281
Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:39:29pm

Santorum: I could contain war with Russia in the middle east region.

282
Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:39:56pm

Is Graham about to start crying?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:06pm

re: #281 Major Tom

Did the audience laugh?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:11pm

re: #269 electrotek

There’s Paris,

They forget that Putin never respected Cheney.

Even after he shot a guy in the face?

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:21pm

What’s in the box!?

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:26pm

Lindsey, shut the fuck up, you insufferable, ignorant twat.

287
Bubblehead II  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:27pm

Lizards, what can I say other than good night. The J.V. was sickening. The main stream? probably worse. I am ashamed of my Country.

288
Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:36pm

re: #277 De Kolta Chair

Pataki: I’ll blow up Putin real good!

I’ve been told he’s not actually running for POTUS and that he’s doing it all to boost the profile of his firm.

It would make sense since he’s not actually spending money or filing in key states.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:40:51pm

re: #283 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

No. It was taken as fact. And everyone moved on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:41:02pm

Lindsey: The president of the United States used to be the strongest person in the world.
Until Obama and Hillary.

Guess what, Lindsey? Those two are more well-known and respected in the world than you or any of the other GOP clown car candidates.

291
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:41:36pm

Yes, all young people must “buy their freedom”.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:41:37pm

re: #287 Bubblehead II

I am mulling over Canada and the UK, Scotland in particular.

Scottish is one of the larger old-contributors on my mom’s side.

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:41:38pm

They’re talking about a draft, for fuck’s sake.

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PT Barnum  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:09pm

re: #289 Major Tom

No. It was taken as fact. And everyone moved on.

Fact and GOP debates have been preven not to be even passing acquaintances.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:14pm

re: #293 Kid A

They’re talking about a draft, for fuck’s sake?

They can talk about it because it’ll never happen.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:18pm

Can we ask Huckabee’s dirtbag son to sign up?

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:18pm

re: #291 freetoken

JOIN THE ARMY!

GAIN YOUR CITIZENSHIP!

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:23pm

LATIN!!!!

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Kid A  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:42:55pm

re: #296 InfidelOfFreedom

For the love of country, no.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:43:06pm

Enter new entry in the lexicon for “sequestration”.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:43:24pm

Do you get the feeling we’re the only ones watching this?

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PT Barnum  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:43:30pm

re: #295 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

They can talk about it because it’ll never happen.

As long as their kids are guaranteed positions in the infantry and the first to be called up, OK!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:43:54pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Do you get the feeling we’re the only ones watching this?

Millions upon millions are watching this….

… hopes CNN.

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thecommodore  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:28pm

Well I’m out of here. I’m going to regenerate the brain cells fried by this stupidfest by going to pump some iron.

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PT Barnum  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:36pm

re: #296 InfidelOfFreedom

Can we ask Huckabee’s dirtbag son to sign up?

Only if we need to interrogate enemy dogs

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:40pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

How many people are out there are thinking… “Where’s Trump?”

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:41pm

re: #279 The War TARDIS

After the incident in India the guy lynched for freezer that was rumored to have beef, I have been a bit grumpy.

Is there data on how many American Hindus align with Hindutva?

I’m sure it’s the same amount of Pakistani Muslims who align with the deranged al-Huda Institute: not many.

Have you asked your Pakistani friends what they think of Ahmadis and the rampant hatred and discrimination that occurs in their homeland? I would surely hope they are just as vocal about that as they are about Islamophobia in America. I find Pakistanis who are supportive of restricting the rights of minority groups in their ancestral country while decrying the Islamophobia of the GOP as nothing but hypocrites IMO.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:50pm

re: #297 Major Tom

JOIN THE ARMY!

GAIN YOUR CITIZENSHIP!

Would you like to know more?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:52pm

re: #303 freetoken

Millions upon millions are watching this….

… hopes CNN.

Whatever for??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:44:58pm

omg…Santorum saying women don’t have the ability to backup the men in the military.

FUCK OFF!

oh, Rep. Duckworth would probably like a word with your pompous ass.

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Skip Intro  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:18pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Do you get the feeling we’re the only ones watching this?

You’re all doing a great job. Keep it up. We expect big things from you when the ‘A’ team of lunatics arrive!

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:35pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg…Santorum saying women don’t have the ability to backup the men in the military.

FUCK OFF!

oh, Rep. Duckworth would probably like a word with your pompous ass.

But hey, they are going to liberate Muslim women somehow, amirite???

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:45pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Whatever for??

Selling zillion$ in ad revenue…. they hope.

314
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:50pm

CMIIW but isn’t Lindsey Graham the only one of all the GOP contenders who has actually served?

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fern01  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:50pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey: The president of the United States used to be the strongest person in the world.
Until Obama and Hillary.

Guess what, Lindsey? Those two are more well-known and respected in the world than you or any of the other GOP clown car candidates.

Lindsay seem to have missed the fact that the world is falling in behind the policies of the President of the United States and having a serious mental breakdown in relation to the GOP wannabees.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:45:50pm

Santorum doesn’t think ladies can fly in planes?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:46:20pm

Without his sweater vest, I refuse to believe that’s Rick Santorum.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:46:58pm

The War TARDIS, read this piece about the hypocrisy that I am referring to.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:47:01pm

re: #316 InfidelOfFreedom

Santorum doesn’t think ladies can fly in planes?

Dem uppity wimminz need to get back in the kitchen or be in the bedroom making babies with their husbands.

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PT Barnum  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:47:30pm

re: #317 De Kolta Chair

Without his sweater vest, I refuse to believe that’s Rick Santorum.

Check for the frothy mixture of sanctimony and flop sweat under his podium

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:47:42pm

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

CMIIW but isn’t Lindsey Graham the only one of all the GOP contenders who has actually served?

Yes. He was in the Air Force and was also a part of the JAG.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:47:47pm

The jobber trying to pivot desperately from Trump to Obama…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:48:00pm

re: #315 fern01

Lindsay seem to have missed the fact that the world is falling in behind the policies of the President of the United States and having a serious mental breakdown in relation to the GOP wannabees.

Apparently it only counts if it’s our actual troops shooting people and blowing shit up. They talk about getting other countries in the region to fight, but when Obama does it, it’s ‘failing to lead’.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:48:08pm

Off to re-nog the booze. BBIAB

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:48:10pm

re: #319 thedopefishlives

Dem uppity wimminz need to get back in the kitchen or be in the bedroom making babies with their husbands.

Only Republicans are so fucking stupid that they can’t see the fact that they have the same abhorrent views about women as Da’esh does.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:48:41pm

Judging by his voice, Lindsay must get the good helium.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:48:57pm

re: #316 InfidelOfFreedom

Santorum doesn’t think ladies can fly in planes?

Santorum doesn’t want his son (who is joining the Air Force and might someday be a pilot) to have to be forced to rely on a woman to be his wingman.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:49:12pm

Lindsey Graham has presented himself as a white knight for women now.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:49:20pm

re: #307 electrotek

I have not. They all detest the PPP and PML-N though. They did used to support Imran Khan, but they are disillusioned with him now too.

There is really no good options in Pakistan, at least until the Saudi Parasite is pulled out. But, then again, we have the same issue with the Saudi Parasite.

And yes, I think the Saudi Government is a Parasite. They show all the behavior of it.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:50:00pm

re: #328 electrotek

Lindsey Graham has presented himself as a white knight for women now.

It’s easy to play the face when you’re surrounded by natural heels.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:50:07pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:50:39pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh sadly I heard… Just incredulous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:50:41pm

Huckabee: people willing to pay ransom for their loved ones because our government won’t fight for them.

As if bombing everybody will fix that…

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:50:46pm

re: #331 Lidane

DEMOCRACY IN ACTION?!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:51:16pm

I love how Huck keeps talking about going off to war, as if to Shibboleth, without mentioning that neither he nor his sons have served anything besides hot dogs from the backyard grill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:51:43pm

oooh…slamming the VA now.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:52:08pm

re: #329 The War TARDIS

I have not. They all detest the PPP and PML-N though. They did used to support Imran Khan, but they are disillusioned with him now too.

There is really no good options in Pakistan, at least until the Saudi Parasite is pulled out. But, then again, we have the same issue with the Saudi Parasite.

And yes, I think the Saudi Government is a Parasite. They show all the behavior of it.

I personally think a lot of Pakistanis in America are hypocrites. They are quick to declare themselves the theykadaars of Islam when they cite the plight of Chechens, Palestine, Rohingyas, Syria, etc., but when it comes to minority groups being persecuted in their own country, they don’t say a damn thing. Can those who refuse to condemn the state-sponsored discrimination of Ahmadis have the moral ground to condemn GOP Islamophobia?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:52:25pm

re: #335 De Kolta Chair

I love how Huck keeps talking about going off to war, as if to Shibboleth, without mentioning that neither he nor his sons have served anything besides hot dogs from the backyard grill.

or regular dogs…

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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:52:42pm

Sen Graham and Gov Pataki, both sane, even if I disagree with them on a number of issues. No wonder they’re stuck at the kids table.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:52:42pm

re: #335 De Kolta Chair

Don’t mention dogs and his sons… sensitive topic for Mike.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:03pm

I never thought I’d look forward to commercials.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:06pm

re: #325 electrotek

Only Republicans are so fucking stupid that they can’t see the fact that they have the same abhorrent views about women as Da’esh does.

That’s because, when they do it, it’s because White American Jesus told them to. When radical Muslims do it, it’s because some brown guy told them to.

343
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:12pm

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

or regular dogs…

They also wait who only stand and serve.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:23pm

re: #163 thedopefishlives

Southwest is all 737’s.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:51pm

If Wolf is so worried about “slaughters”, what about those killed in Colorado??

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:53:54pm

re: #344 Eric The Fruit Bat

Southwest is all 737’s.

I learned something today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:54:02pm

cuteness break

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:54:43pm

re: #340 InfidelOfFreedom

Don’t mention dogs and his sons… sensitive topic for Mike.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:55:18pm

re: #346 thedopefishlives

I learned something today.

You notice when you fly on them a lot.

(One trip out of the upcoming 3 for the holiday season on Southwest.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:55:34pm

re: #348 De Kolta Chair

Embedded Image

Manoman, could Tricky Dick glower!

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cat-tikvah  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:56:34pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Yinz got that right.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:56:41pm

Oh boy, here comes the refugees

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:56:43pm

re: #349 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You notice when you fly on them a lot.

(One trip out of the upcoming 3 for the holiday season on Southwest.)

Yeah, when I flew more, it was a pretty varied mix. The leg between here and Chicago is mostly flown on ‘37’s or 319’s/320’s. Flights into either of the Indiana airports, on the other hand, are mostly serviced by Canadairs. Great little business jets, those.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:56:53pm
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The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:57:12pm

re: #318 electrotek

Again, have not heard about their thoughts on this from them.

But, being Pakistani in the US, they are more likely worried about the Republicans wanting to round us up, and put us into camps. Which, considering how Republicans talk about us, is not out of the realm of possibility.

But, then again, there is a disproportionate Ahmadi Presence in the US too. And that sometimes, the Pakistani Community in the US can be flawed. But they have also accepted me with open arms, when other communities were more insular and less welcoming. Getting me to try interrogate my friends on this will not work, especially when my foibles and issues with viciousness and harshness far outpace theirs.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:57:15pm

re: #341 De Kolta Chair

I never thought I’d look forward to commercials.

At least commercials are prohibited from outright lying to us.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:58:12pm

re: #353 thedopefishlives

Yeah, when I flew more, it was a pretty varied mix. The leg between here and Chicago is mostly flown on ‘37’s or 319’s/320’s. Flights into either of the Indiana airports, on the other hand, are mostly serviced by Canadairs. Great little business jets, those.

I like the 787.

But that’s more international.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:58:14pm
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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:58:14pm

The refugees shall not fly!!

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:58:56pm

I’m too lazy to understand the process so it’s IMPOSSIBLE.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:59:01pm

We need more air superiority!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:59:20pm

re: #358 Lidane

All these guys are not running for office but for a paycheck from Faux for a talk show.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2015 • 4:59:34pm

“You can’t sufficiently vet a Syrian 5 year old from a war-torn country, he doesn’t have enough of a record.”

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:00:33pm

Huckabee wants to punish other people with refugees.

365
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:00:36pm

These guys have actually migrated towards Trump’s policies while at the same time denigrating him by words.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:00:40pm

re: #357 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I like the 787.

But that’s more international.

Never been on board one; however, there’s a video circulating of the wing loading test of the ‘87 that came out when I worked at the company that built the test rig. It went viral within the company. The only wide-body I’ve been on is a pair of ‘67’s for the flights across the Atlantic when Mrs. Fish and I went to Ireland on our honeymoon. Other than that, and a ‘57 for a flight to Seattle, and a short little turboprop flight, that’s the extent of my aircraft experience.

367
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:00:50pm

Hey Huck, there are loads of people in the US who know what a Christian is better than you think you are.

368
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:05pm

The Huckster wanting to fight his religious war.

369
The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:10pm

re: #355 The War TARDIS

My Best Friend and Wali is a woman from Pakistan I went to college with.

As to why I felt the need to have one, I know that I can be vulnerable to being manipulated and used by other people, so when trying to find someone, I do need guidance and protection.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:11pm

re: #365 freetoken

These guys have actually migrated towards Trump’s policies while at the same time denigrating him by words.

Because Trump’s policy is the unspoken Republican policy. He was just the first one to say it out loud.

371
Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:19pm

Gorn will drive you to debate now…

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:19pm

Huck, only “the left” thinks there’s such a thing as a separation between church and state?

What dimension is this taking place in?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:29pm

re: #355 The War TARDIS

Again, have not heard about their thoughts on this from them.

But, being Pakistani in the US, they are more likely worried about the Republicans wanting to round us up, and put us into camps. Which, considering how Republicans talk about us, is not out of the realm of possibility.

But, then again, there is a disproportionate Ahmadi Presence in the US too. And that sometimes, the Pakistani Community in the US can be flawed. But they have also accepted me with open arms, when other communities were more insular and less welcoming. Getting me to try interrogate my friends on this will not work, especially when my foibles and issues with viciousness and harshness far outpace theirs.

I see what you mean, I understand you’re not keen to bite the hands that feeds you.

But I will let you in on a secret: if you were a black convert, the Pakistani community would not have welcomed you with open arms. Hate to say it, but racism does exist with the community.

But I have to be consistent when it comes to speaking out against the treatment of minorities in Pakistan as much as I am of being a minority in America. Being a minority in this country, it would be absolutely hypocritical to not speak up when minorities in my country of birth are not afforded any rights whatsoever. Plus, Ahmadis have it worse because they are also targeted by Islamophobic nutbags in this country as well.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:01:55pm

Oh no… a couple met online.

TERRORISTS!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:18pm

re: #371 Aunty Entity Dragon

Gorn will drive you to debate now…

Embedded Image

Is he still here?

No, I think he’s already gorn.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:25pm

Graham: I’m Kerristee-in.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:41pm

re: #374 freetoken

Oh no… a couple met online.

TERRORISTS!!

Mrs. Fish and I met online. Haven’t blown up or shot anybody… yet.

[Shifty eyes.]

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:42pm

re: #374 freetoken

Oh no… a couple met online.

TERRORISTS!!

If I hooked up with a Syrian on Tinder, does that make me a terrorist now?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:48pm

re: #366 thedopefishlives

Never been on board one; however, there’s a video circulating of the wing loading test of the ‘87 that came out when I worked at the company that built the test rig. It went viral within the company. The only wide-body I’ve been on is a pair of ‘67’s for the flights across the Atlantic when Mrs. Fish and I went to Ireland on our honeymoon. Other than that, and a ‘57 for a flight to Seattle, and a short little turboprop flight, that’s the extent of my aircraft experience.

We did one on our last trip back from Japan, and then a short leg from SFO to HOU. Maybe it’s placebo effect, but it really does feel like the tiny difference they’re able to make to the cabin pressure/humidity has a huge impact on how well you feel getting off the plane when you land.

Had a window seat on the leg from SFO to HOU and it was awesome to see the difference in the wing in flight versus out of. And the windows were fun as hell to play with too. >.>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:02:58pm

I’m tired of the kiddie table now.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:10pm

Santorum sounds like Trump on Muslims.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:12pm

re: #374 freetoken

Oh no… a couple met online.

TERRORISTS!!

Oh, noes! Klys and Mr. Klys met online!! The must be terr’rists!!!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:23pm

If this is the kid’s table, how long is the next debate going to go on for, thirty hours?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:23pm

re: #381 freetoken

Santorum sounds like Trump on Muslims.

He’s always been Trump-lite on Muslims

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:28pm

re: #377 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish and I met online. Haven’t blown up or shot anybody… yet.

[Shifty eyes.]

…clearly we’ve been doing this wrong here too.

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Jenner7  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:32pm

re: #377 thedopefishlives

I met my Husband online too. Uh oh…when will we radicalize?!?!?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:03:50pm

re: #386 Jenner7

I met my Husband online too. Uh oh…when will we radicalize?!?!?

I’m a radical for this gin.

Does that count?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:04:03pm

re: #385 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #386 Jenner7

Jeez. LFG is just a haven for online-dating terrorists. Clearly we just need to nuke the whole thing from orbit.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:04:04pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

Its done I think. I mean they have time to vacuum the seats and put magazines in the slots and disinfect the podiums.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:04:14pm

“shove it up the nostrils”?
Huck, please try not to be “clever”.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:04:33pm

Huckabee is possibly the most hate-filled candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:04:52pm

Santorum: slamming children now…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:01pm

re: #388 thedopefishlives

Jeez. LFG is just a haven for online-dating terrorists. Clearly we just need to nuke the whole thing from orbit.

Little Foot Greenballs?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:05pm

re: #379 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We did one on our last trip back from Japan, and then a short leg from SFO to HOU. Maybe it’s placebo effect, but it really does feel like the tiny difference they’re able to make to the cabin pressure/humidity has a huge impact on how well you feel getting off the plane when you land.

Had a window seat on the leg from SFO to HOU and it was awesome to see the difference in the wing in flight versus out of. And the windows were fun as hell to play with too. >.>

The turboprop was an interesting experience. It was louder than I expected it to be, which I can only interpret to mean that flying on a proper 18-cylinder piston-engine airliner must have been deafening.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:22pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Santorum: slamming children now…

So “Catholic” of him.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:33pm

re: #386 Jenner7

I met my Husband online too. Uh oh…when will we radicalize?!?!?

He didn’t give you a hijab on your first date? He’s a terrible radical!

/////////

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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:35pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Santorum: slamming children now…

I thought it was Huckabee who was friends with people into that…?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:39pm

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

Little Foot Greenballs?

No, no, Looking For Group. How you meet in MMOs.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:58pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:58pm

Muslim immigration? Yea that’s not a thing. We measure immigration by country not religion you disingenuous scaremonger.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:05:59pm

re: #391 jaunte

Huckabee is possibly the most hate-filled candidate.

Beating Trump??

402
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:06:09pm

re: #396 De Kolta Chair

He didn’t give you a hijab on your first date? He’s a lousy radical!

/////////

I’m a free radical.

Watch out, I can cause cancer.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:06:37pm

re: #401 freetoken

Beating Trump??

Huckabee’s sincere. Trump is an opportunist.

404
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:06:43pm

re: #381 freetoken

Santorum sounds like Trump on Muslims.

This Is Your Brain On Muslims

405
thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:06:44pm

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

Little Foot Greenballs?

It’s an ancient LGF inside joke.

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Testy Toad T  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:06:59pm

re: #353 thedopefishlives

Yeah, when I flew more, it was a pretty varied mix. The leg between here and Chicago is mostly flown on ‘37’s or 319’s/320’s. Flights into either of the Indiana airports, on the other hand, are mostly serviced by Canadairs. Great little business jets, those.

407
jaunte  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:02pm

re: #401 freetoken

I think so. Trump is using hateful people, but Huckabee is a true believer.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:03pm

Apparently “gentlemen” no longer has any meaning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:29pm

re: #405 thedopefishlives

It’s an ancient LGF inside joke.

IRREVELANT!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:33pm

re: #401 freetoken

Beating Trump??

Huckabee is a troo believer in hate…and he hates GLBT people with a…disturbing…passion.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:38pm

re: #402 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m a free radical.

Watch out, I can cause cancer.

I’m part of the New Radicals.

Don’t give up
You’ve got a reason to live
Can’t forget
We only get what we give

412
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:46pm

How long is this kids’ thing going on? Isn’t it like their bedtime already?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:55pm

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

///

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:07:59pm

re: #407 jaunte

So we are down to the true-believer vs. the demagogue.

Quite the match up, but more mid-card than top of the card, I think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:08:10pm

re: #407 jaunte

I think so. Trump is using hateful people, but Huckabee is a true believer.

Remember when Huck was going to be electable because he was Conservative, but without all the mouthfrothing?

Good times.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:08:17pm

re: #410 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huckabee is a troo believer in hate…and he hates GLBT people with a…disturbing…passion.

Does Trump hate LGBT as well? I’m surprised he hasn’t said anything about homosexuals by now.

Any gay Trump supporters out there?

418
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:08:51pm

re: #394 thedopefishlives

I’ve been on 3 different turboprops: Beechcraft 1900, Shorts 360 (aka the Flying Velveeta Cheesebox,), and ATR-42. They’re all noisy. But after the American Eagle 4164 crash back in the 1990s, all of the turboprops were quickly retired/rehomed to warmer climates once the 40-50 seat regional jets came online.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:08:55pm

closing statements!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:09:09pm

re: #417 electrotek

Trump has brilliantly avoided the issue most of the time.

All he has to do is shout “CHYNA” and nobody remembers the gays.

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jaunte  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:09:20pm
422
Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:09:57pm

re: #417 electrotek

Does Trump hate LGBT as well? I’m surprised he hasn’t said anything about homosexuals by now.

Any gay Trump supporters out there?

Trump hasn’t said a thing about gay people from what I can see. Certainly nothing to get headines on. Pretty sure he has quite a few GLBT employees.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:15pm

re: #373 electrotek

I can understand this. But let’s be honest, this issue isn’t just with the Pakistani Community.

In OKC, there is a Mosque that caters specifically to African Americans along with my Imam’s Mosque, and the nebulously defined Shia/South Asian Mosque (But Sunnis and others go there. But it has the reputation for those).

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:26pm

re: #421 jaunte

Undercard logic - it’s there to sell the main event.

McGregor won in 13 seconds, but it was preceded by hours of undercard pizzaz.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:32pm

re: #417 electrotek

Lindsey Graham?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:33pm

re: #420 freetoken

Trump has brilliantly avoided the issue most of the time.

All he has to do is shout “CHYNA” and nobody remembers the gays.

Ironically, I was reading an article about Trump’s Muslim immigration ban on the New York Times and much of the support for Trump came from China’s population.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:44pm

re: #418 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’ve been on 3 different turboprops: Beechcraft 1900, Shorts 360 (aka the Flying Velveeta Cheesebox,), and ATR-42. They’re all noisy. But after the American Eagle 4164 crash back in the 1990s, all of the turboprops were quickly retired/rehomed to warmer climates once the 40-50 seat regional jets came online.

This would’ve been in the early summer 2002, believe it or not. It was an Embraer EMB120. Little short hop across Washington State.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:10:54pm

re: #425 InfidelOfFreedom

Lindsey Graham?

He’s gay?

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:11:38pm

re: #422 Aunty Entity Dragon

Trump hasn’t said a thing about gay people from what I can see. Certainly nothing to get headines on. Pretty sure he has quite a few GLBT employees.

He also has a lot of Hispanic and black employees, and does business with Muslims in the Gulf. Didn’t stop him from bashing on blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims either. Only a matter of time until he bashes on homosexuals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:11:45pm

re: #428 electrotek

He’s gay?

He’s not known as Miz Lindsey for nothing…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:11:56pm

Here’s the theme song for the Bottom Four
The Fugs - Kill For Peace

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:02pm

re: #428 electrotek

He’s gay?

I believe the term is ‘Confirmed Bachelor’.

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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:15pm

Well that was predictably underwhelming.

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Skip Intro  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:16pm

re: #422 Aunty Entity Dragon

Trump hasn’t said a thing about gay people from what I can see. Certainly nothing to get headines on. Pretty sure he has quite a few GLBT employees.

He’s keeping that in reserve for now, since he’s done so well trashing Mexicans and Muslims.

Don’t worry. He’ll bring it out as soon as he needs to.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:17pm

Rod Dreher now blaming Trump and “Weimar America” (his fucking favorite Godwin) on liberals, natch.

Also, he really hates transgender women.

******

Christ, Santorum looks like he is high on crank. What the hell??!!

436
The War TARDIS  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:31pm

re: #423 The War TARDIS

I love the people of Pakistan, but I hate the government they live under.

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Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:31pm
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BongCrodny  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:12:53pm

Whether Obama and Clinton didn’t keep this country safe or whether they can is open for discussion. Nominating a moron to be President, Mr. Santorum, is not.

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:13:10pm

re: #423 The War TARDIS

I can understand this. But let’s be honest, this issue isn’t just with the Pakistani Community.

In OKC, there is a Mosque that caters specifically to African Americans along with my Imam’s Mosque, and the nebulously defined Shia/South Asian Mosque (But Sunnis and others go there. But it has the reputation for those).

I personally go to African-American mosques because they’re in the inner city and they have established security so no Islamophobic redneck will fuck around there.

The suburban mosques I usually avoid unless I have to go for Friday prayers. But to be honest, the inner city mosques have less of an issue with parking than the suburban ones so that’s a major factor for me lol

440
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:13:18pm

Oh no… more Wolf later in the main event.

Where’s Joe Rogan when you need him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:13:21pm

re: #437 Lidane

[Embedded content]

It’s because ISIL apparently is going to kill all Down Syndrome children and adults.

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freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:14:27pm

Oh Anderson… I expect more from you.

443
Barefoot Grin  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:14:48pm

re: #436 The War TARDIS

I love the people of Pakistan, but I hate the government they live under.

The Pakistani friends and family of my Pakistani-American friends on FB feel the same way.

444
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:14:57pm

From earlier:

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:17pm

re: #442 freetoken

Oh Anderson… I expect more from you.

Really?

446
BongCrodny  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:28pm

re: #440 freetoken

Oh no… more Wolf later in the main event.

Where’s Joe Rogan when you need him?

Ooh. I would absolutely LOVE to see a debate moderated by Louis C.K.

447
De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:43pm

re: #407 jaunte

I think so. Trump is using hateful people, but Huckabee is a true believer.

That’s what gets me. I’ve been waiting since Reagan for the Great Googamooga Fundamentalist Republican vs. Enlightened Liberal Democrat Battle, and ironically the only “born again” presidents so far have been Carter, who practices what he preaches and every year looks better and better, and Bush, universally considered to be one of the worst presidents in our nation’s history. Good golly, as Huckabee would say, the last GOP nominee was a Mormon!

Jeebus, GOP, bring on the fundie base and let’s see what you really got.

448
Decatur Deb  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:47pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s because ISIL apparently is going to kill all Down Syndrome children and adults.

Santorum understands the face of evil because he has a mirror.

449
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:49pm
450
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:15:53pm

re: #445 Barefoot Grin

Really?

Sure, why not. Can anyone do worse than Wolf?

451
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:17pm

re: #446 BongCrodny

Lewis Black.

452
InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:19pm

re: #446 BongCrodny

Ooh. I would absolutely LOVE to see a debate moderated by Louis C.K.

Stephen Colbert for moderator!

453
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:33pm

re: #446 BongCrodny

Ooh. I would absolutely LOVE to see a debate moderated by Louis C.K.

And tag-teaming with Lewis Black!

454
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:35pm

re: #452 InfidelOfFreedom

Stephen Colbert for moderator!

If only.

455
teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:35pm

Saving myself for the varsity debate.

456
electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:16:58pm

re: #436 The War TARDIS

I love the people of Pakistan, but I hate the government they live under.

I cut ties with Pakistan after I saw so many Pakistanis come out in support of a filthy murderer who killed Salman Taseer on the basis of “blasphemy” almost 5 years. The supposed “blasphemy”? He called the blasphemy law kala qunoon, black law, because he stood up for a Pakistani Christian woman who was falsely accused of blasphemy and in prison for it. Seeing Pakistanis throw rose petals at him and calling him a hero really disgusted me and showed how far down Pakistani society has really regressed. The murderer Mumtaz Qadri should have been executed by now.

If Pakistanis in America can’t speak out on the rights of Christians, Shi’as, Ahmadis and other groups in Pakistan, but pontificate over Palestine on a regular basis, they have no moral ground to complain about Islamophobia rising in the U.S. I’m sorry but again, I can’t stand hypocrisy and the Pakistani community is a community that is riddled with self-absord hypocrites that should clean up its own backyard before commenting on others.

457
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:17:07pm

re: #455 teleskiguy

Saving myself for the varsity debate.

That’s not going to happen till next fall.

458
darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:17:22pm
459
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:17:32pm

Jon Stewart moderating the debate featuring Fuckface Von Clownstick

460
teleskiguy  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:17:39pm

Skiing was phenomenal today. My ice beard was in full effect.

And the keyboardist from my favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll circus saw it!

461
Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:17:59pm

re: #446 BongCrodny

Ooh. I would absolutely LOVE to see a debate moderated by Louis C.K.

Lewis Black. That would be AMAZING.

462
darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:18:07pm

Trump is going to come in and say, “My podium smells like a sweaty evangelist!”

463
Barefoot Grin  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:18:27pm

re: #450 freetoken

Sure, why not. Can anyone do worse than Wolf?

Good point. Anderson should be able to amble over the low bar.

464
BongCrodny  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:18:27pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ve done economy debates and foreign policy debates. Finally, they did a whole debate on who dislikes Muslims the most.

I think it was a four-way tie.

465
electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:18:42pm

re: #443 Barefoot Grin

The Pakistani friends and family of my Pakistani-American friends on FB feel the same way.

To be fair, Pakistanis voted for Nawaz Sharif into office so they share much complicity over the government they elected. It’s only a reflection of the people’s values given how morally corrupt and intolerant Pakistani society has really become since Zia’s rule.

466
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:18:59pm

re: #462 darthstar

Trump is going to come in and say, “My podium smells like a sweaty evangelist!”

Just Huckabee shoving that up his nostrils.

467
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:19:00pm

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

If somebody wanted join us, he’d have to REALLY hate the Romans Muslims!

Oh, I do! I really hate them!
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:19:03pm

re: #455 teleskiguy

Saving myself for the varsity debate.

Don’t do it. Be a debate slut like the rest of us. Just be sure to bring plenty of prophylactics.

469
Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:19:35pm

Future First Lady Nominee Debate! Go!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:19:44pm

re: #460 teleskiguy

Skiing was phenomenal today. My ice beard was in full effect.

[Embedded content]

Sigh…we are 30 degrees above normal right now.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:19:56pm

Here’s my favorite part: when CNN’s talking heads take these idiots seriously.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:20:26pm

re: #460 teleskiguy

Skiing was phenomenal today. My ice beard was in full effect.

[Embedded content]

Is this December’s foggy freeze? When the ice that clings on to your beard is screaming AAAgony?

473
Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:20:53pm

OT: SO I take it Mr. Burns hasn’t filed his late response yet for the Rage Furby?

474
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:21:00pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s because ISIL apparently is going to kill all Down Syndrome children and adults.

Unconfirmed and only from one blog the Mosul Eye I think

475
freetoken  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:21:06pm

SE Cupp doing the no True Conservative thing.

These clowns - I only wish there was someone there to call them clowns.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:21:07pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

If somebody wanted join us, he’d have to REALLY hate the Romans Muslims!

“Wankers.”

477
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:22:16pm

re: #474 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Unconfirmed and only from one blog the Mosul Eye I think

Sarah Palin has been ranting on it since yesterday.

478
Lidane  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:23:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:23:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:24:00pm

re: #478 Lidane

[Embedded content]

1987? Holy shit, I’m old!

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electrotek  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:24:03pm

re: #474 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Unconfirmed and only from one blog the Mosul Eye I think

Oh God, it’s IraqTheModel bullshit all over again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:24:04pm
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Major Tom  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:24:29pm

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

I truly loled

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BongCrodny  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:25:27pm

re: #483 Major Tom

I truly loled

Me too!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:25:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:26:15pm
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darthstar  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:27:25pm

Lindsey was loaded and ready for anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:27:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 15, 2015 • 5:28:04pm

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