Lindsey Graham Bails, Raising GOP Crazy Quotient

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Lindsey Graham parroted the same ignorant anti-Muslim rhetoric as the rest of the Republican candidates, and was totally gung-ho for invading lots of Middle Eastern countries, but at least he wasn’t a complete denier of climate science — the only relatively sane one of the GOP candidates on this issue. His departure from the race raises the GOP crazy quotient to Ludicrous Level.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:21:25am

Based on this metric, the next one to bail out will be Kasich.

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Kragar  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:21:44am

“Hey ladies, guess who has got some free time on his hands for you now?”

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:23:18am

I think Pataki will be next, but he’ll be the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:24:05am

Why is shriveledy-up pruneface old witch not supporting Ted Cruz?

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:28:37am

Graham quits race, and this is frankly the most attention he’s had in months. And that’s saying something.

Fact is that if a bunch of the asterisks quit the race, it would have no measurable impact on the race. 4 nutters still in the race have near asterisk polling, and if they quit no one would be fighting for their supporters either.

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Kid A  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:28:59am

I’m sorry, who is Lindsey Graham?

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Kid A  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:29:54am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Why is shriveledy-up pruneface old witch not supporting Ted Cruz?

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SHE IS WARNING THE NATION!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:29:55am

So, we have this stupid presidential caucus in Kentucky (that Rand Paul bought) coming up on March 5 (freaking winter instead of our usual voting time later in May).
And the caucus place is 20 miles away instead of my usual polling place 7 miles away.

Here is who has filed: Jeb Bush, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, John Kasich and Chris Christie.

Here’s the “acceptable voter ID requirements” for the stupid event:

The acceptable methods of identification used to verify a voter qualified to participate in a caucus shall be limited to:
(1) Personal acquaintance
(2) Motor vehicle operator’s license
(3) Social Security card
(4) Credit card
(5) Identification card with picture and signature

A “credit card”…FFS…

This is just a really bad joke.
I’m just staying home.

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:30:20am

re: #3 InfidelOfFreedom

I think Pataki will be next, but he’ll be the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

Pataki’s not serious about running anyway. It’s a vanity run to boost his firm.

He missed the primary filing deadline here in Texas, FFS. That’s a sign he’s not serious.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:30:25am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

They share similar views about women and their purpose primarily as decoration.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:31:30am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Why is shriveledy-up pruneface old witch not supporting Ted Cruz?

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LAST HOPE FOR AMERICA

They’ve been hawking this apocalyptic bullshit for decades, but right wingers never seem to notice that America hasn’t been destroyed yet.

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:31:46am

re: #5 lawhawk

Graham quits race, and this is frankly the most attention he’s had in months. And that’s saying something.

Fact is that if a bunch of the asterisks quit the race, it would have no measurable impact on the race. 4 nutters still in the race have near asterisk polling, and if they quit no one would be fighting for their supporters either.

At this point, Santorum, Huckabee, Pataki, Gilmore, Kasich, and Paul could join Lindsey on the sidelines and it wouldn’t mean anything. Hell, throw Fiorina and Carson into the pile too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:32:30am

re: #10 InfidelOfFreedom

They share similar views about women and their purpose primarily as decoration.

Eww who would decorate with Shriveldy-up Pruneface Shlafly? I mean she was BORN looking like that.

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wrenchwench  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:33:08am

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

The acceptable methods of identification used to verify a voter qualified to participate in a caucus shall be limited to:
(1) Personal acquaintance…

So the person at the table can vouch for you if they want to?

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WhatEVs  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:33:23am

It’s funny in an ironic way not at all a haha way. Graham was the only person in any of the debates who sounded like he had the first clue about anything. I don’t agree with him politically but at least he knew what he was talking about. He wasn’t all flame-throwing platitudes and populism.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:33:34am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

LAST HOPE FOR AMERICA

They’ve been hawking this apocalyptic bullshit for decades, but right wingers never seem to notice that America hasn’t been destroyed yet.

WE NEED MOAR DESTRUCTIONS LIKE THIS==>

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Kragar  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:34:24am

re: #15 WhatEVs

I don’t agree with him politically but at least he knew what he was talking about. He wasn’t all flame-throwing platitudes and populism.

Poor bastard never stood a chance…

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:34:45am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

Based on this metric, the next one to bail out will be Kasich.

Kasich is the front end for some old time mainstream GOP backers, who are using Kasich to attack Trump. I suspect Kasich will continue as long as his backers ask him. Kasich can do his job as Governor and just show up at the next debate, do the talking head shows with video remote, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:34:50am

re: #14 wrenchwench

So the person at the table can vouch for you if they want to?

yeah.
I’ve never had to show any ID. Only requirement ever was two elections ago when the election judge made me say my name out loud.
Apparently that was good enough to prove who I was.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:35:17am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Well her views never applicable to herself anyway, it was other women who were subverting society by getting jobs and not staying barefoot and pregnant.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:36:34am

And practicing witchcraft, of course.

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WhatEVs  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:36:44am

re: #20 InfidelOfFreedom

Well her views never applicable to herself anyway, it was other women who were subverting society by getting jobs and not staying barefoot and pregnant.

How does a Miss Half Naked and Often Stupid Pageant fit into Christian principles?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:37:51am

This is Jeb!s plan. To ride it out when it’s just him and Trump. Then he thinks* (foolishly) that he stands a chance. What a fucking train wreck.

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:38:24am

re: #18 freetoken

Kasich is the front end for some old time mainstream GOP backers, who are using Kasich to attack Trump. I suspect Kasich will continue as long as his backers ask him. Kasich can do his job as Governor and just show up at the next debate, do the talking head shows with video remote, etc.

Kasich is the first in line for that job. I suspect Christie is the backup plan if Kasich falls, because Mr. Former Federal Prosecutor takes great pains to minimize Trump as unserious in the face of TEH CLINTON-OBUMMER WORLD WAR 3!!!!! that Christie says we’re fighting.

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WhatEVs  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:38:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:40:07am

re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus

This is Jeb!s plan. To ride it out when it’s just him and Trump. Then he hunks (foolishly) that he stands a chance. What a fucking train wreck.

He has to spend all his money just to keep in the race, which is costing Trump next to nothing…

losing strategy

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S'latch  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:40:30am

It’s a shame. He’s a sleazy shill of the military industrial complex, but not utterly bat-shit insane.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:44:09am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He has to spend all his money just to keep in the race, which is costing Trump next to nothing…

losing strategy

Never said he was smart.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:44:28am

Reminder, the GOP wants people to think that we’re cowering before the omnipresent Islamic terror threat that grips the entire nation and keeps us in our homes.

I can only wonder what that did to depress the Star Wars gate for the opening weekend.

Turns out that instead of raking in a whopping $238 million as first estimated, it was actually $248 million.

If you haven’t gotten your shares of Disney, it might be a good time to consider a position (given that Disney owns the MCU and Lucasfilm/SW properties, plus Pixar). So far Disney owns 3 of the top 4 grossing movies this year. And it’s not even close.

Oh, I guess I’m among those who didn’t see it opening weekend. I’ve got my tickets for Christmas Eve, when we’ll get our Asian food and a movie fix (longstanding Jewish tradition /).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:44:38am
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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:45:45am

Speaking of climate change, the very intelligent folk over at Vox declare:

Why zero is a better climate target than 2 degrees

One important element of the Paris climate accord has been somewhat overshadowed in all the press coverage. Before the whole thing fades from the news cycle, I want to take a moment to celebrate it.

I’m talking about the shared goal, endorsed by 195 nations, to reduce net global greenhouse gas emissions to zero by the end of the century.

Well, ok, that is nice…

To my mind, zero is a much more compelling and evocative goal than the longer-standing and better-established climate goal of limiting temperature rise to 2 degrees or less.

The 2 degrees target has the advantage of being “science-based,” at least insofar as science is capable of putting a hard number on the amount of warming that qualifies as “dangerous.” […]

Which is just a lie.

The 2C target was a political construction. It came about after it became clear that the UNFCCC meetings needed some sort of goals put on paper over which they could argue. But as noted by Dr. Hansen and others, from paleoclimate studies we know that even a 1.5C increase above the previous 20th century baseline would put surface temps at what they were at the warmest interglacials during the Pleistocene, periods in which sea levels were much higher than today.

Vox makes my ass tired.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:46:12am
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Kid A  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:48:59am

“We all know that Obamacare is a failure. You know it. I know it.” -Rush Limbaugh

Wrong. Again.

Sorry, I tune in every now and then to remind myself that I used to be a wingnut.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:49:41am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hahaha good! Hey Trump, Hillary ain’t the mainstream media, she doesn’t give a shit what you “demand.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:51:43am

OT, but we were discussing it downstairs. I’m reading Reddit as well and the criticisms I’m seeing from the hardcore Star Wars fanboy segment is making me laugh so hard I could choke.

My reply;

It’s a fucking fantasy movie. It’s fairy-tales - George Lucas once said he’s written a fairy-tale for a generation that grew up without them. And people are arguing over realism.

How much realism do people expect from, let’s say, Hansel and Gretel? Snow White and the Seven Dwarves? Beauty and the Beast? The Little Mermaid?

Come on, people. It’s just bizarre to read some of this. The Star Wars films are classified as “epic space opera”. It’s not sci-fi. It’s fantasy with sci-fi elements.

My late father commented to me, after we saw the original back in 1977, that it was “….Flash Gordon Conquers The Universe with some really great special effects, a decent script, and a music soundtrack the like of which I’ve never heard and which made the film.” A-fucking-men.

Bingo. In any event, it’s all about archetypes. The Hero’s Journey, as Joseph Campbell called it. A relatively universal myth. When did people get so damned cynical that they simply can’t accept a damn fantasy film at face value? It’s not meant to be realistic.

Anyway, rant off.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:52:24am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes it is sad. So much gets lost in these fires. The US has had some archives destroyed by fires. Ireland had a really big fire that destroyed some of their irreplaceable archive material (especially since the English pulped so much of the 19th century Irish records). These things happen all over the world. It’s a wonder we are able to keep as much around as we have.

Maybe the Sumerians had it right - write on clay.

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:53:28am

OT, but there’s an excellent post on today’s The Weekly Sift discussing the differences between freedom and rights, as those terms are used in today’s politics.

An few excerpts:

But in general, the parties are talking about two subtly different concepts: Freedom, particularly the way conservatives use it, is inextricably linked to small government: Freedom means the government doesn’t get in your way.

Rights on the other hand, only exist if society provides some method of enforcement. Without a court you can appeal to when your rights are violated, and ultimately, without a police force or army that will enforce that court’s judgments, you don’t have any rights.

…

In the course of a typical workday, a woman who makes fries at McDonalds isn’t all that constrained by the government. Sure, taxes are taken out of her paycheck; she has to keep her hair covered while preparing food and wash her hands after using the bathroom; and she faces the threat of jail if she skims from the till, but the whims of her shift manager are a far bigger source of oppression than all the pencil-pushers in Washington.

On the other hand, the guy who owns her McDonalds franchise faces constant assaults on his freedom. He can’t pay his workers the $5 an hour he thinks they deserve, even if they’re so desperate they would have to take it. He can’t demand that they work in unsafe conditions. He can’t extract sexual favors from them. His kitchen has to face health inspectors. He has to make sure the trash is properly disposed of. Zoning keeps him from expanding to the new location he wants. And on and on and on. Everywhere he looks, there’s a regulation or a bureaucrat or a potential lawsuit. Tyranny, that’s what it is.

Several of those restrictions on his freedom are what the government has to do to establish the woman’s rights. She has a right to a basic level of respect and fair treatment from her employer, and (without government) she lacks the power to make him respect those rights.

I can’t remember which Lizard mentioned The Weekly Sift a while back and first turned me on to it but, whoever it was, thanks. I really like the site and it has become a must read for me on Mondays.

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:57:21am

re: #33 Kid A

“We all know that Obamacare is a failure. You know it. I know it.” -Rush Limbaugh

This is an article of faith on the right despite all evidence to the contrary.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:57:51am

Bloomberg would like us to believe this headline:

Lindsey Graham’s Exit From Presidential Race Sets Off Scramble for South Carolina

As if Graham was going to have any significant influence on the outcome in the first place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:59:01am
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nines09  Dec 21, 2015 • 11:59:11am

re: #35 Dr Lizardo

Bitch about a TV series being cancelled…..Or a movie not living up to what they “expected.” Or the sequel is much better than the prequel but not as good as the remake of the original…..And then say that they don’t vote because “They’re all the same.”
HMD

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:01:43pm

re: #29 lawhawk

Oh, and proof that the investors and financial advisers are not all that they’re cracked up to be? Disney shares are off by about 1.5% (down about $1.80 in afternoon trading).

Consider that Disney’s tally this year includes:

The #2 (ultron), #3 (inside out), and currently #7 grossing films of the year (TFA).

Before the year is out, expect TFA to jump into the top 5.

Not too shabby, and that doesn’t even begin to figure in the merchandising, which is SW wall to wall. Heck, Fiat-Chrysler is running SW tie-ins with Dodge, Fiat, and Jeep brands. Crazy doesn’t begin to cut it. It warms Mel Brooks’ cockles.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:02:46pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Oh, and proof that the investors and financial advisers are not all that they’re cracked up to be? Disney shares are off by about 1.5% (down about $1.80 in afternoon trading).

Consider that Disney’s tally this year includes:

The #2 (ultron), #3 (inside out), and currently #7 grossing films of the year (TFA).

Before the year is out, expect TFA to jump into the top 5.

Not too shabby, and that doesn’t even begin to figure in the merchandising, which is SW wall to wall. Heck, Fiat-Chrysler is running SW tie-ins with Dodge, Fiat, and Jeep brands. Crazy doesn’t begin to cut it. It warms Mel Brooks’ cockles.

Mel Brooks was ahead of the curve on that one in Spaceballs.

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WhatEVs  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:03:33pm
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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:03:39pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

What has been called a “war premium” has been under appreciated, I think.

Our warfare in the Gulf state region did pump up petroleum prices.

Another factor too often overlooked is better gasoline mileage for vehicles, here in the US and elsewhere. Getting a few more miles per gallon may not seem like much to an individual, but multiplied over millions of vehicles adds up.

Finally, the very high prices for petroleum for several years let oil companies, big and small, exploit carbon deposits that otherwise may not have been profitable (e.g., in North Dakota.)

BTW, Obama is not to be credited for any of this. Well, I give him a bit of credit for not continually banging war drums and thus letting the war premium die down. The rest is just economics.

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:06:43pm

re: #42 lawhawk

From my understanding (and it’s a basic understanding since I’m not all that familiar with financial stuff), Disney’s stock drop has a lot to do with it’s heavy investment in sports broadcasting. That’s a very costly part of their business and one whose returns are shrinking as more and more people cut the cable cords.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:07:45pm

re: #36 freetoken

Yes it is sad. So much gets lost in these fires. The US has had some archives destroyed by fires. Ireland had a really big fire that destroyed some of their irreplaceable archive material (especially since the English pulped so much of the 19th century Irish records). These things happen all over the world. It’s a wonder we are able to keep as much around as we have.

Maybe the Sumerians had it right - write on clay.

Digitize it all and make multiple backups.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:10:34pm

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Digitize it all and make multiple backups.

Then the problem is making sure you can access the file format in 20 years.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:10:53pm

I guess getting older leads to my ass getting tired more easily, but his time it is the Guardian, who declare in a headline:

The best of climate science and humanity come together at AGU

Ok, that is all nice and such.

But then the sub headline says:

25,000 climate scientists share their research and passion at the fall conference

Which is just wrong.

The American Geophysical Union is made up of scientists who study the earth and planets. Physical scientists in all sort of specialty areas.

Only some of them are “climate scientists”.

In fact, traditionally only a small number of them would self-describe as “climatologists”.

I’m afraid “Climate” has become a Magick word, this time for the secular left.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:12:12pm

Incoming Trump temper tantrum any moment:

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:13:03pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

BLEEDING OUT OF HER WHATEVER!

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Kragar  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:13:59pm

re: #48 Timothy Watson

Then the problem is making sure you can access the file format in 20 years.

I knew a guy who got a job for NASA whose whole job was restoring computer systems from the 60s and then transfer data from the old systems into new data formats

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:16:23pm

re: #6 Kid A

Ever since Andrew Sullivan compared Graham to Butters on South Park, that’s the only way I can think of him. He is the live action version of Butters to the GOP’s Cartman (who changes regularly).

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:20:18pm

re: #48 Timothy Watson

Then the problem is making sure you can access the file format in 20 years.

The (US) National Archives faces these sort of problems. They’ve got all sorts of digital displays - really neat stuff but most Americans seem unaware of their existence.

Anyway, as one would expect, the US generates mountains of records, that need to be kept, some by law have to be kept.

The easiest way to record a document is to take a picture of it, but that leads to large files, and importantly the information in the document is not captured abstractly, which is what one really wants (in order to create indicies, etc.)

There’s something rather big lurking here, as far as what do we do with all that we have created. It will never get any attention, even in passing, in our political debates and speeches, but most people will at least give a nodding approval to the idea that we ought to preserve what we have made.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:21:01pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:23:13pm

re: #55 De Kolta Chair

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Reason #5,927 Why Guns Should Not Be Brought Into Movie Theaters

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:23:22pm

re: #55 De Kolta Chair

Normally, I am loathe to agree with Malkin on just about anything… but I’d force choke somebody narrating a movie in theater like that. And by “force choke” I mean “punch in the face after telling him to shut up.”

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:23:34pm

I must be in a rather curmudgeonly mood today… I’ll blame it on Christmas.

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:26:06pm

re: #39 freetoken

It honestly takes 9 seconds to google “republican primary polls 2016” and click on the link saying “statewide polling” and then see that Graham has been such a favored son in South Carolina that he’s been polling at an amazing 2%.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:27:48pm

re: #48 Timothy Watson

Then the problem is making sure you can access the file format in 20 years.

I still have BETA and 8 Track Players. Call me The Oracle.

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wrenchwench  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:28:13pm
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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:28:23pm

Anyway, getting back to Graham - yes, he was the only GOP candidate who wasn’t going to play stupid about climate science for the sake of winning the know-nothing vote.

And look where it got him.

My recommendation to Democratic candidates is to not worry about climate change for political reasons. Americans are in a mood to want to feel secure, not to tackle the really big issues.

So Hillary would do well simply to stick to the old Democratic platform ideas of social security, etc. Drive home the point that the GOP have turned into dangerous reactionaries who will gut the safety nets. Not only is that mostly true (at least of the leading GOP candidates) but it plays well.

Frankly, climate change is too big for politics.

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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:28:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:28:41pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Washington was not a gun-fucker who went around shooting random UK citizens.

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Great White Snark  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:29:42pm

re: #2 Kragar

“Hey ladies, guess who has got some free time on his hands for you now?”

Guess who else?

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:30:15pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

In fact, as the commanding general, he really wasn’t into shooting guns at all. Wasn’t his job.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:31:24pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

Speaking of Kitteh calamaties: Cat Gets Loose On Delta Air Lines Flight, Tries To Realize Dream Of Being A Flight Attendant
Cats on a plane!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:32:33pm

re: #55 De Kolta Chair

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I gotta agree with her on that one. I’d be furious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:33:40pm
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:35:31pm

re: #63 Whack-A-Mole

I’ve always loved this one:

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KGxvi  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:36:21pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how much less crazy the world would be if George III and Parliament would have just given seats to the colonies? Or if it’d still be crazy but in different ways.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:37:47pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Daaammn. I wonder if it’ll beat Avatar?

Avatar had a worldwide box-office of $2,783,918,982. If any film could do it, it might well be this one. It’s all gonna come down to repeat viewings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:38:24pm

oh, Kentucky…

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:39:29pm

re: #71 KGxvi

Alt.history indeed.

What if George III was more of a democrat, made sure his colonies not only had Parliamentarians but openly pushed for representation of all his many subjects.

Would the world have been able to avoid the horrible anti-colonial wars and the fallout from colonialism (which I believe we are still struggling with today, even in Iraq/Syria?)

If only the English monarchy had been visionaries.

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Nojay UK  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:39:49pm

re: #60 GlutenFreeJesus

I still have BETA and 8 Track Players. Call me The Oracle.

Beta, VHS, S-VHS and a Laserdisc player (with a karaoke capability!) as well as an MD player. I have access to a DCC audio player if I need it as well as a working V2000 video player.

The oldest working digital data device I have is a 8-bit paper-tape reader/punch unit from the late 1970s. Oldest magnetic data device, that’s probably the Bernouilli disc drive from an old PDP-11 mini — it worked last time I tried hooking it up to an SCSI interface.

My oldest working computer is the one I hand-soldered from a kit back in 1974. Call me the Packrat.

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b.d.  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:40:27pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Washington was not a gun-fucker who went around shooting random UK citizens.

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I think that George Washington was part of “a well regulated militia” iirc?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:40:45pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, we have this stupid presidential caucus in Kentucky (that Rand Paul bought) coming up on March 5 (freaking winter instead of our usual voting time later in May).
And the caucus place is 20 miles away instead of my usual polling place 7 miles away.

Here is who has filed: Jeb Bush, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, John Kasich and Chris Christie.

Here’s the “acceptable voter ID requirements” for the stupid event:

A “credit card”…FFS…

This is just a really bad joke.
I’m just staying home.

Hard to imagine you supporting any of those jokers anyway.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:41:08pm

re: #76 b.d.

George Washington was an elitist and a politician.

But don’t tell the wingnuts on Twitter.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:42:00pm

re: #75 Nojay UK

Got a slide rule? I still have mine.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:42:21pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Washington, who got an assist from a bunch of undocumented aliens like Pulaski, Kosciusko, and Lafayette. Washington, who realized that religious freedom meant more than imposing his religious views on others and sought plurality - and respected other religions.

Which is nothing like the right wing today.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:42:42pm

re: #79 Eric The Fruit Bat

Mine’s in the storage unit somewhere. Had it since high school.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:44:04pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:44:53pm

re: #31 freetoken

Speaking of climate change, the very intelligent folk over at Vox declare:

Why zero is a better climate target than 2 degrees

Well, ok, that is nice…

Which is just a lie.

The 2C target was a political construction. It came about after it became clear that the UNFCCC meetings needed some sort of goals put on paper over which they could argue. But as noted by Dr. Hansen and others, from paleoclimate studies we know that even a 1.5C increase above the previous 20th century baseline would put surface temps at what they were at the warmest interglacials during the Pleistocene, periods in which sea levels were much higher than today.

Vox makes my ass tired.

I didn’t notice at the time, but in retrospect its incredible that there were no questions about climate change during the Democratic debate.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:45:03pm

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

Based on this metric, the next one to bail out will be Kasich.

Aren’t Pataki and Gilmore still running? I’d expect one of them would drop out next. Kasich at least can claim to be the “sane” one in stark contrast to Trump (although he’s extremely conservative when it comes to unions and abortion).

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:47:00pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:47:23pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Oh, and proof that the investors and financial advisers are not all that they’re cracked up to be? Disney shares are off by about 1.5% (down about $1.80 in afternoon trading).

Consider that Disney’s tally this year includes:

The #2 (ultron), #3 (inside out), and currently #7 grossing films of the year (TFA).

Before the year is out, expect TFA to jump into the top 5.

Not too shabby, and that doesn’t even begin to figure in the merchandising, which is SW wall to wall. Heck, Fiat-Chrysler is running SW tie-ins with Dodge, Fiat, and Jeep brands. Crazy doesn’t begin to cut it. It warms Mel Brooks’ cockles.

However, Disney’s most profitable product has been ESPN, and its getting hurt by cord cutting, which is what is causing the stock dip.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:47:54pm

re: #83 Big Beautiful Door

I didn’t notice at the time, but in retrospect its incredible that there were no questions about climate change during the Democratic debate.

That’s not gone unnoticed by some climate activists.

But I stand by my point - it’s probably not worth it to try and inject climate change into American Presidential politics.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:48:00pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

Why is shriveledy-up pruneface old witch not supporting Ted Cruz?

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Schlafly, a lawyer and former model, first gained national attention at the 1960 Republican convention, when she led a “revolt” against nominee Richard Nixon’s position in support of civil rights. For several years before that, she had been active with a radical GOP wing headed by the notorious Hunt brothers from Texas. None other than Ayn Rand herself was also a friend of the Hunts and active in the same circle. These are the same Hunts President Eisenhower had called “stupid” for opposing Social Security.
At the time, the Republicans were probably ahead of the Democrats on civil rights, since they weren’t burdened by a perceived need to appease southern Dixiecrats. JFK won the election and decided to dump the Dixiecrats, after which he quickly overtook and passed the GOP on civil rights. Not too many years later, Nixon himself decided to pick up and exploit the abandoned segregationist and racist elements, essentially adopting Schlafly’s position and completing one of the most dramatic political reversals in US history. She has now lived to see her scandalous and radical 1960 position become the established mainstream of the GOP.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:48:51pm

re: #86 Big Beautiful Door

Once ESPN establishes a standalone streaming service, ala HBO, it’s all over for cable.

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Nojay UK  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:49:05pm

re: #79 Eric The Fruit Bat

Got a slide rule? I still have mine.

Yes, two or three but I rarely used any of them for serious computation, preferring a book of five-figure tables if I had to do any real number-crunching before I got hold of an electronic calculator. I also have (somewhere) a set of Napier’s Bones.

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b.d.  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:49:35pm

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Chelesa has obviously timed this upcoming baby with politics in mind

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:49:53pm

re: #89 InfidelOfFreedom

Once ESPN establishes a standalone streaming service, ala HBO, it’s all over for cable.

But Cox charges me the same for my internet-only package as they would for a standard cable-tv package. So Cox collects the same amount either way.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:49:56pm

re: #86 Big Beautiful Door

Yeah, I’ve seen a few others point out that ESPN is losing viewers as there’s cord cutting.

Folks are going to get their sports fix, so how ESPN figures out how to monetize that is going to be the ballgame (and so far, they haven’t in the way that WSJ has monetized business data/reporting).

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:53:40pm

LONE WOLF!

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TedStriker  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:54:02pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

WE NEED MOAR DESTRUCTIONS LIKE THIS==>

[Embedded content]

No shit…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:54:10pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel

The Hunt Brothers…the same guys who tried to manipulate and corner the silver market and failed spectacularly in doing so?

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TedStriker  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:55:28pm

re: #43 Dr Lizardo

Mel Brooks was ahead of the curve on that one in Spaceballs.

He should have done Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.

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freetoken  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:58:17pm

When academics yearn to be relevant:

The Politics Behind the Original “Star Wars”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 21, 2015 • 12:58:46pm

re: #97 TedStriker

He should have done Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.

They are making a sequel

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A Cranky One  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:00:24pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah.
I’ve never had to show any ID. Only requirement ever was two elections ago when the election judge made me say my name out loud.
Apparently that was good enough to prove who I was.

Crazy as it sounds, there are cases where it’s a decent verification. For example, my sister has a very unusual first name and her husband is of Iranian descent; her name is almost impossible to pronounce just from reading it.

I used to use her name as an example of the difficulty in using speech recognition for directory assistance. Can’t tell where her first name stops and her last name begins… ;-)

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:00:26pm

Charles Johnson,

The GOP crazy will no know bounds if Trump manages to win the presidency now. Oh my God the stupid we will have to suffer through!

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:00:40pm

So, how soon before Trump attacks Clinton for being a grandmother (again)?

And that’s even though Trump is older than Hillary, has less policy experience than Trump, and Trump has a looser connection to facts and reality than Hillary.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:02:24pm

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

Cthulhu!

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:03:31pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Hunt Brothers…the same guys who tried to manipulate and corner the silver market and failed spectacularly in doing so?

I remember it well. They lost their asses on the silver plot. Major schadenfreude. The would be silver kings were Nelson Bunker and Wiliam Herbert Hunt, two of the 15 children of oil tycoon H.L. Hunt. It was HL who founded the batshit political dynasty in the 50s, though Nelson and Willie were already in their 30s at the time and prominent far right political players as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:04:34pm

re: #103 CriticalDragon1177

Cthulhu!

A great Christmas present for the kiddies!

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Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:04:35pm

re: #76 b.d.

I think that George Washington was part of “a well regulated militia” iirc?

Washington, as an officer in the Continental Army as well as a veteran of the British Army, actually had a very low opinion of the militia, as did most of the professional soldiers of the era. They were generally undisciplined, untrained, refused to travel too far from their homes, and would run at the first sign of danger. There were exceptions, of course, but the general rule is that the militia was totally unreliable as a fighting force. And that was when they bothered to show up, as states would often refuse to release militia to the cause out of fear that the British would march on them as they sat undefended.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:05:09pm

re: #89 InfidelOfFreedom

Once ESPN establishes a standalone streaming service, ala HBO, it’s all over for cable.

Done. Its part of the SlingTV package; that’s how I get ESPN and AMC to watch The Walking Dead.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:05:24pm

re: #100 A Cranky One

Growing up, my dad and I used our last name as a caller ID of sorts. If the person on the other side of the line couldn’t pronounce our name, we weren’t interested in talking any further.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:06:00pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

While “christians” have muslims kicked off transportation here in the states. Glad christians are a religion of love whereas muslims are a religion of hate.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:06:07pm

re: #107 Big Beautiful Door

True! Forgot about Sling.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:06:26pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka


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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:07:43pm

re: #108 InfidelOfFreedom

Growing up, my dad and I used our last name as a caller ID of sorts. If the person on the other side of the line couldn’t pronounce our name, we weren’t interested in talking any further.

LOL telemarketers always, always, always pronounce our name wrong in hilarious ways!

For some reason they think it ends in “ski” which it does not.

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sizzzzlerz  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:08:49pm

re: #79 Eric The Fruit Bat

Got a slide rule? I still have mine.

As do I but the real question is can you still use it and do you remember what all the different scales are for?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:09:34pm

Ben Shapiro so totally hates Star Wars.

Not embedding his Tweets here because spoilers, also because he sucks.

Now I MUST see this movie!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:10:30pm

Who else wants to bet if the black box showed that the Russian fighter jet didn’t cross into Turkey, that the memory would be readable…

bbc.com

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:11:23pm

For the space nerds. Tonight historic attempt to launch multiple satellites at the same time then land the first stage back near the launch pad. SpaceX is trying to things in a new way. Very exciting if you’re into this stuff.

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Lidane  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:12:26pm

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

I can understand having a massive hate-on for the prequels, since I consider them a mass hallucination that we all experienced from 1999-2005, but hating Star Wars as a whole? That’s just weird.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:13:04pm
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Belafon  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:13:06pm

re: #54 freetoken

The (US) National Archives faces these sort of problems. They’ve got all sorts of digital displays - really neat stuff but most Americans seem unaware of their existence.

Anyway, as one would expect, the US generates mountains of records, that need to be kept, some by law have to be kept.

The easiest way to record a document is to take a picture of it, but that leads to large files, and importantly the information in the document is not captured abstractly, which is what one really wants (in order to create indicies, etc.)

There’s something rather big lurking here, as far as what do we do with all that we have created. It will never get any attention, even in passing, in our political debates and speeches, but most people will at least give a nodding approval to the idea that we ought to preserve what we have made.

For documents, store pictures and an xml based text format to contain the information in a searchable form with additional information such as location in the images.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:13:42pm

re: #117 Lidane

I can understand having a massive hate-on for the prequels, since I consider them a mass hallucination that we all experienced from 1999-2005, but hating Star Wars as a whole? That’s just weird.

For obvious reasons I did not go over to his website to read his entire tantrum, but he thinks The Force should have stayed asleep.

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BeachDem  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:14:20pm

re: #15 WhatEVs

It’s funny in an ironic way not at all a haha way. Graham was the only person in any of the debates who sounded like he had the first clue about anything. I don’t agree with him politically but at least he knew what he was talking about. He wasn’t all flame-throwing platitudes and populism.

Which is why he didn’t have the least bit of support here in his own home state, South by Dog Carolina.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:14:43pm

re: #113 sizzzzlerz

Yep. I remember most of them.

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WhatEVs  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:15:25pm

re: #121 BeachDem

Which is why he didn’t have the least bit of support here in his own home state, South by Dog Carolina.

Republican’s do like their stupid quite a bit.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:18:33pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

Washington, as an officer in the Continental Army as well as a veteran of the British Army, actually had a very low opinion of the militia, as did most of the professional soldiers of the era. They were generally undisciplined, untrained, refused to travel too far from their homes, and would run at the first sign of danger. There were exceptions, of course, but the general rule is that the militia was totally unreliable as a fighting force. And that was when they bothered to show up, as states would often refuse to release militia to the cause out of fear that the British would march on them as they sat undefended.

The all time low was probably the Battle of Bladenburg in 1814, when hordes of militia fled from an inferior British force at the first shot, allowing the British to capture Washington DC, burn the White House and other public buildings, and force President Madison to flee in the middle of the night. British officer George R. Gleig famously remarked “Never did men with arms in their hands make better use of their legs.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:21:40pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Washington was not a gun-fucker who went around shooting random UK citizens.

[Embedded content]

Because the Revolution was all about guys out shooting people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:22:27pm

re: #71 KGxvi

I wonder how much less crazy the world would be if George III and Parliament would have just given seats to the colonies? Or if it’d still be crazy but in different ways.

Wouldn’t have happened: then he would have had colonists all over the world demanding the same.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:24:25pm

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro so totally hates Star Wars.

Not embedding his Tweets here because spoilers, also because he sucks.

Now I MUST see this movie!

Makes me really upset. I would love to be able to laugh at his stupidity, but I haven’t seen the movie yet.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 21, 2015 • 1:27:49pm

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the Revolution was all about guys out shooting people.

Yeah a bunch of untrained civilians who lacked military discipline were able to defeat the British military the most powerful military the world had ever seen. The revolutionaries had like lasers and stuff.


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