Lolwut of the Day: Jeb Bush Says the Problem With the Confederate Flag Wasn’t the Confederacy

Treason, slavery, civil war - not problems
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Here’s our amazingly tone-deaf Jeb Bush statement of the day, as he actually tells an audience there was no problem with the Confederacy or the Confederate battle flag — the problem is what the flag came to represent in the 20th century.

GOP 2016er Jeb Bush defended his decision as Florida governor to take down the Confederate battle flag from the state capitol by arguing the controversy around Confederate monuments “isn’t the 19th century issue, it’s the 20th century issue.”

“The problem with the Confederate flag isn’t the Confederacy, the problem with the Confederate flag is what it began to represent later,” Bush said while on a campaign stop. “And that’s what we have to avoid to heal those wounds.”

In the 19th century, the Confederate battle flag represented treason against the United States, the vile racist institution of slavery, and a civil war that took hundreds of thousands of lives. What the hell is Jeb Bush talking about?

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bratwurst  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:01:04pm

So Jeb! is saying the real problem was The Dukes of Hazzard?

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:01:14pm

And now begins the schmoozing of the Southern branch of the party as it looks more and more like Iowa and NH will go either to Trump or to Cruz.

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Kragar  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:02:00pm
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unproven innocence  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:03:02pm

— the problem is what the flag came to represent in the 20th century.
Undying longing for the past?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:03:44pm

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is seeking to take control of his struggling presidential campaign, saying in an interview that his drop in the polls is the fault of his advisers and that he plans to shake up his staff in the coming days.

Carson, sitting alone Wednesday in the basement of his Maryland house, said that no one’s job is safe. He complained about budgetary management in a campaign that has spent millions and called some of his top staffers overpaid and ineffective in broadcasting his message.

Translation = Not MY fault!!11!!!!

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:04:30pm

What it later came to represent? Well, the circle is now complete. The Southern Strategy of revisionist history has whitewashed every last bit of fact out of the GOP.

Jeb knows, or should know, that the Confederate flag represents the fact that the South engaged in insurrection against the Union over its demand to continue the institution of slavery. The South - the Confederacy - sought to preserve slavery.

Period.

That’s the primary reason they seceded from the Union and why slavery was among the top grievances of the Confederate states when they left the Union.

These right wing extremists continue to actively deny facts and history.

And they think no one will notice? Or not care?

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:05:01pm

What we need to heal those wounds is to cover them up and pretend they did not happen.

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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:05:17pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Translation = Not MY fault!!11!!!!

I don’t know about that. I think the message that Carson knows absolutely nothing about public policy got out just fine. His main problem is all that melanin, and I don’t see how that can be made to go away.

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Jenner7  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:07:36pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:08:04pm

re: #6 lawhawk

What it later came to represent? Well, the circle is now complete. The Southern Strategy of revisionist history has whitewashed every last bit of fact out of the GOP.

Jeb knows, or should know, that the Confederate flag represents the fact that the South engaged in insurrection against the Union over its demand to continue the institution of slavery. The South - the Confederacy - sought to preserve slavery.

Period.

That’s the primary reason they seceded from the Union and why slavery was among the top grievances of the Confederate states when they left the Union.

These right wing extremists continue to actively deny facts and history.

And they think no one will notice? Or not care?

It’s the “Lost Cause” takes to its final conclusion, that what the Confederacy did was noble and worth remembering, and the symbols of it only became controversial when people tried to connect things to them that they’d never represented before. And to want all symbols of the Confederacy relegated to museums or gone from our sight entirely is to deny our “heritage.”

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Amory Blaine  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:10:19pm

Well, Jeb! is the dumb one.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:12:12pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Translation = Not MY fault!!11!!!!

More arrogance. Go figure. Ben crazy can’t be the problem…no!

One thing though, I suspect some of the dumped team members will be talking in a few days, so we will get to hear how crazy it probably is in that campaign. I bet it is full on nuts.

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Kragar  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:12:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:14:12pm
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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:14:19pm

re: #12 ObserverArt

More arrogance. Go figure. Ben crazy can’t be the problem…no!

One thing though, I suspect some of the dumped team members will be talking in a few days, so we will get to hear how crazy it probably is in that campaign. I bet it is full on nuts.

I actually imagine it’s pretty quiet. It’d be hard to talk too much when every single person in the campaign is out to embezzle from every other person in the campaign.

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Khal Schlongo  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:16:06pm

re: #15 Brian J.

I actually imagine it’s pretty quiet. It’d be hard to talk too much when every single person in the campaign is out to embezzle from every other person in the campaign.

Hm. So you kinda think that it’s like the Michelle Bachman campaign, where everybody getting paid a salary knew that it was going nowhere, and would not look good on their resume … so they just hoisted the Jolly Roger and started siphoning off every spare nickel?

Sounds reasonable.

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KGxvi  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:16:31pm

Um, hey, Jeb… might want to check the Florida archives, since it turns out Florida drafted but didn’t publish it’s reasons for secession.

For those interested you will be surprised in the amount of zero to learn that it was all about slavery.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:16:55pm

re: #13 Kragar

Someone wants martyr cookies as a domestic terrorist.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:18:08pm

If you thought Jeb was the smart brother you were schlong. *

* Can’t downding me because it’s my birthday and Google baked me a cake.

Birthday
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WhatEVs  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:18:16pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Translation = Not MY fault!!11!!!!

It’s not my fault I am dumb as a stump when it comes to anything other than my past profession!!!11!

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:19:24pm

This goes to what I said yesterday to DF about how the right wing wants to attack every program imaginable, including protections for national parks:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:20:05pm

Chuck C. Johnson had his hearing today in San Francisco on whether he’s going to be allowed to avoid being deposed by the National Abortion Federation. No word yet on the results, but I’ll be surprised if the judge lets him skate on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:20:54pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson had his hearing today in San Francisco on whether he’s going to be allowed to avoid being deposed by the National Abortion Federation. No word yet on the results, but I’ll be surprised if the judge lets him skate on it.

Ah. Explains his FB silence today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:21:32pm

no more fucks to give:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:21:39pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson had his hearing today in San Francisco on whether he’s going to be allowed to avoid being deposed by the National Abortion Federation. No word yet on the results, but I’ll be surprised if the judge lets him skate on it.

Me guess is that he’s going to get …

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:21:50pm

re: #19 I Would Prefer Not To

Happy Birthday!

I don’t know how Google knew my birthday, I don’t remember putting it on anything that Chrome would autofill. Just in case, I put up a fictitious birthday on facebook.

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nines09  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:22:54pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

What else would you expect? His handlers let him talk. Out loud. That was a no no.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:23:09pm

re: #26 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Happy Birthday!

I don’t know how Google knew my birthday, I don’t remember putting it on anything that Chrome would autofill. Just in case, I put up a fictitious birthday on facebook.

I use Google for mail/calendar and had Google plus for two days..

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:23:17pm

Is there a schlong! emoticon? 8======> ?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:23:23pm

Here’s the thing, Jeb, what the Confederate flag “began to represent later” is the same thing that the Confederacy stood for at the time it was raised…funny that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:23:24pm

speaking of schlongs, sometimes the weather radar can be a bit NSFW:

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:24:19pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson had his hearing today in San Francisco on whether he’s going to be allowed to avoid being deposed by the National Abortion Federation. No word yet on the results, but I’ll be surprised if the judge lets him skate on it.

Considering that either Daleiden or some Congressional source gave him the videos, in violation of the restraining order the court imposed, I’d say the odds of the judge allowing him to avoid being deposed are smaller than a gnat’s left nut.

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:25:08pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of schlongs, sometimes the weather radar can be a bit NSFW:

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And check these out:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:25:19pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

So have we won the War on Christmas then?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:26:09pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Considering that either Daleiden or some Congressional source gave him the videos, in violation of the restraining order the court imposed, I’d say the odds of the judge allowing him to avoid being deposed are smaller than a gnat’s left nut.

Does UpChuck actually have a job?

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:26:55pm

re: #35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Does UpChuck actually have a job?

Serving as an example of how not to live one’s life.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:27:31pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carson, sitting alone Wednesday in the basement of his Maryland house, said that no one’s job is safe. He complained about budgetary management in a campaign that has spent millions and called some of his top staffers overpaid and ineffective in broadcasting his message.

Watch out, everybody, we got a real bad*** here.
/

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:28:18pm

re: #35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Does UpChuck actually have a job?

“World Greatest Journalist”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:28:53pm
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:29:15pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is seeking to take control of his struggling presidential campaign, saying in an interview that his drop in the polls is the fault of his advisers and that he plans to shake up his staff in the coming days.

Oh, so it’s not the fault of an arrogant former brain surgeon who couldn’t be bothered to run for the state legislature or congress before seeking the top job?

/

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KGxvi  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:29:47pm

Anyone else see the Not My Abuela hashtag? Apparently Clinton compared herself to “your abuela” and that turned out to not go over well with twitter. It’s been labeled Hispandering.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:30:54pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I saw that I’d turn right around. Mission accomplished.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:31:10pm

Really Jeb?

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

From none other than Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens.

Fuck you, Jeb.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:32:31pm

re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus

Really Jeb?

From none other than Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens.

Fuck you, Jeb.

We can’t possibly know their motivations…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:33:31pm

re: #44 Mike Lamb

We can’t possibly know their motivations…

Southern Pride.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:34:07pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the context of that pic? I’m just curious. But yeah. They should be out solving crimes and stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:35:09pm

re: #46 GlutenFreeJesus

What’s the context of that pic? I’m just curious. But yeah. They should be out solving crimes and stuff.

Pretty sure it has to do with Black Lives Matter protest demonstrations.

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Jay C  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:35:30pm

re: #44 Mike Lamb

We can’t possibly know their motivations…

Ethics in secession journalism…..

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:36:08pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:36:36pm

dear mr cruz,

there is no crying in baseball

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:39:51pm

re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus

Really Jeb?

From none other than Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens.

Fuck you, Jeb.

Stop being politically correct it’s Heritage!!!!111

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:42:13pm

Well, today is almost like my Friday.

The president gave us feds half day off tomorrow, and since I’d already planned to telework, it will be a short day at home with the laptop, before I wrap up a few final errands before Xmass.

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Kent Dorfman  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:48:32pm
Technicolor Yawn
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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:49:01pm

This should be Trump’s theme music.

Urinetown - Overture

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blueraven  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:50:14pm

Awwww…

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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:52:32pm

re: #55 blueraven

Capitalist Panda.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:53:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:54:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:58:14pm
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darthstar  Dec 23, 2015 • 1:59:22pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:00:34pm

Sounds bleak. Nearest town is 6 miles away. And it ain’t much of one.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:02:27pm

My great great grandfather was a Union General in the Civil war. He’s buried in the DC Congressional Cemetery. I have a 2 word reply to Asshole Jeb Bush and everyone can figure out what they are!

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:03:50pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon

schlong you?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:05:47pm

Once you see this it can’t be unseen:
St. Donald Trump & The Immaculate Jebception

Click to Reveal
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:08:33pm
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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:09:15pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Hey VB, in the phrase “Du kannst nicht auf meinem rucken pishen unt mir sagen class es regen ist” what is “class”? Why is a cognate to “dass” not used?

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sagehen  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:10:57pm

re: #60 darthstar

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So Megs… does your father owe Chelsea Clinton an apology for the nasty joke he told about her when she was 13?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:11:52pm

re: #66 Nyet

Hey VB, in the phrase “Du kannst nicht auf meinem rucken pishen unt mir sagen class es regen ist” what is “class”? Why is a cognate to “dass” not used?

Ich mein das ist typo

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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:14:38pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Ich mein das ist typo

I thought so too after I saw it in Milbank’s classy article. “d” can be typed or OCR’ed as “cl” by mistake.

But “class” or “clas” is literally everywhere when you google for the phrase, including decades worth of published books.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:18:53pm

Gov Bevin is such an asshole

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:20:30pm

re: #55 blueraven

Awwww…

@ZeddRebel

I’m sure I’ll be able to stop watching this sometime around New Year’s

My boxer is like that with large balls
She’s stolen several basket & soccer balls from kids

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:20:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:20:46pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:21:18pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov Bevin is such an asshole

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The people of Kentucky have nobody to blame but themselves.

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:22:03pm

My newest follow:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:24:16pm

re: #69 Nyet

I thought so too after I saw it in Milbank’s classy article. “d” can be typed or OCR’ed as “cl” by mistake.

But “class” or “clas” is literally everywhere when you google for the phrase, including decades worth of published books.

Old mistake propagated by non-speakers?

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taserian  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:24:59pm

re: #6 lawhawk

re: #45 GlutenFreeJesus

Southern Pride.

The one that gets me every time is “State’s Rights”, considering that many abolitionist states decided to set rules that didn’t favor the Fugitive Slave Act. So their state rights weren’t valid *then*, but your claim “state’s rights” as the motivation *now* is not hypocritical?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:26:21pm

Something tells me that this Christmas, and future ones for some time, Times Square won’t see such accumulation

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:30:02pm

re: #76 Blind Frog Belly White

Old mistake propagated by non-speakers?

Azoi zet ois.

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wrenchwench  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:30:38pm

I used to fix the bikes and trikes they ride around in that factory.

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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:31:49pm

re: #76 Blind Frog Belly White

Old mistake propagated by non-speakers?

Probably. And that’s a lot of pretenders that copy the expression without understanding… incl. authors of the book 1,003 Great Things About Being Jewish.

The misspelling seems to have originated in an SF novel or a story published at around 1985 acc. to googlebooks…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:32:15pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

The people of Kentucky have nobody to blame but themselves.

Not me. I didn’t vote for him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:32:21pm

Another thing: Yiddish is normally written in Hebrew characters, not Latin. When it’s transliterated it should look more like German.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:42:24pm

re: #81 Nyet

Probably. And that’s a lot of pretenders that copy the expression without understanding… incl. authors of the book 1,003 Great Things About Being Jewish.

The misspelling seems to have originated in an SF novel or a story published at around 1985 acc. to googlebooks…

Funny story - well, I think it’s funny - back in the early 1980s when I worked in the DNA Sequencing Group, we published a lot of gene sequences. One day a letter arrived from a colleague whose group had sequenced the same gene, but at one position, he had found a Guanine (G) rather than the Cytosine (C) in our paper.

I went to my computer file, and indeed, it was a G in my file. Looked at figure in the paper, and it was a C. Hmmmmmmm…..

So I dug out the original print the figuremaker had made of the sequence. It turned out it used something like Letraset, and on that particular G, the tail hadn’t stuck and had curled over, so it looked like a C, especially when photographed as figures were in those days.

Now, of course, it’s all done electronically, but in those days when a paper came out with a sequence, you had to type it into your own computer, then proofread.

Okay, so not a very funny story after all.

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Nyet  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:44:13pm

re: #84 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, stone age stories are always funny.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:44:31pm

It is again, a very poorly worded point, the sort of thing that Bush has made himself famous for. I do not have a problem with certain individuals who celebrate their family heritage. There were some who did not own slaves and saw themselves as defending their rights. Their sentiments ere sincere if misguided.

But the Confederate battle flag never flew over a state capitol: the national flag was the Stars and Bars. That particular obnoxious practice was instituted in the 1960’s as a means of intimidating civil rights advocates.

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Belafon  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:47:47pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

Something tells me that this Christmas, and future ones for some time, Times Square won’t see such accumulation

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Actually, they could, but it could be nothing one year, and eight feet the next year. Putting more energy into the system would allow the massive cold Arctic air to move further south.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:48:28pm
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sizzzzlerz  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:51:19pm

re: #43 GlutenFreeJesus

Really Jeb?

From none other than Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens.

Fuck you, Jeb.

I’m sure Stephens was referred to as a Lone Wolf even back then.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:51:28pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

It’s funny/sad. Every time a conservative posts an article denying racism is a huge part of Trump’s appeal, commenters prove them wrong.

5:47 PM - 23 Dec 2015

Never read the comments. The conservative media follows that rule too. It helps them deny the crazy base exists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:52:19pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The problem with “There were some who did not own slaves and saw themselves as defending their rights” is that it still comes back to the ‘right’ they were defending. At best, the right not to be told to stop doing something unconscionable.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:52:55pm

Damnit.

Someone associated with a program that I went to Israel on all those many years ago was among those killed in the latest round of violence in Jerusalem. He was a rabbi with Aish Hatorah and was stabbed to death. He succumbed to his injuries after being taken to the hospital.

He was a man of learning and was killed within yards of Jaffa Gate.

Senseless doesn’t even begin to cover this.

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makeitstop  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:54:07pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Damnit.

Someone associated with a program that I went to Israel on all those many years ago was among those killed in the latest round of violence in Jerusalem. He was a rabbi with Aish Hatorah and was stabbed to death. He succumbed to his injuries after being taken to the hospital.

He was a man of learning and was killed within yards of Jaffa Gate.

Senseless doesn’t even begin to cover this.

Sorry for your loss, lawhawk.

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calochortus  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:55:23pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Damnit.

Someone associated with a program that I went to Israel on all those many years ago was among those killed in the latest round of violence in Jerusalem. He was a rabbi with Aish Hatorah and was stabbed to death. He succumbed to his injuries after being taken to the hospital.

He was a man of learning and was killed within yards of Jaffa Gate.

Senseless doesn’t even begin to cover this.

I cannot imagine in what universe randomly killing people is a good idea/helpful to one’s cause.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:57:01pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with “There were some who did not own slaves and saw themselves as defending their rights” is that it still comes back to the ‘right’ they were defending. At best, the right not to be told to stop doing something unconscionable.

I see a big distinction between people’s individual decisions and the cause of the Confederacy itself. And big distinction between private displays of Confederate heritage and regalia and state-sanctioned ones.

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:57:38pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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Ah, THAT David Frum, who has said things like:

We need to keep in mind the distinction between what is politically conservative and what is merely sociopathic.

and

“A party achieves nothing by boldly and bravely marching off a well-marked cliff.”

And who wrote the scintillating:

WHY ROMNEY LOST—a forthright analysis that offers a bold, hopeful plan for Republican success in the years ahead. David Frum urges a Republican party that is culturally modern, economically inclusive, and environmentally responsible - a party that can meet the challenges of the Obama years and lead a diverse America to a new age of freedom and prosperity.

Now he’s hanging his hat on a Rich Lowery analysis. Yeah, Frum’s really got his finger on the pulse of the nation. (Plus, has anyone other than Ron Kessler ever called Bush “The CEO President?”)

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:57:38pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Damnit.

Someone associated with a program that I went to Israel on all those many years ago was among those killed in the latest round of violence in Jerusalem. He was a rabbi with Aish Hatorah and was stabbed to death. He succumbed to his injuries after being taken to the hospital.

He was a man of learning and was killed within yards of Jaffa Gate.

Senseless doesn’t even begin to cover this.

I’m sorry to hear that; my deepest condolences. A wicked and despicable crime.

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Swift2991  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:57:39pm

Predictably, of course, the problem is both. Slaveowners were the 1% in America, and included the Wall Street types who created insurance companies and the like to finance the system. 90% of the capital in the South was tied up in slave plantations. So the loss of slavery in 1865 was the death knell for what was left in the economy.

Same system the Republicans have been working so hard to recreate. No middle class, workers as close to slavery as possible, and the enormously wealthy in charge of our politics, acting as a “class-for-itself.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:58:32pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with “There were some who did not own slaves and saw themselves as defending their rights” is that it still comes back to the ‘right’ they were defending. At best, the right not to be told to stop doing something unconscionable.

After the first year or so, the whole “defending their homes” bit was also a lie. The Confederacy instituted a draft, same as the Union, and desertions became common as the war went on. By war’s end, most of those who hadn’t been killed in the fighting just wanted to go home and forget the whole mess. The whole “Lost Cause” BS was more prevalent amongst officers and their kin because they were the ones who felt cheated out of what they considered their rightful victory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 23, 2015 • 2:58:38pm

re: #98 Swift2991

Predictably, of course, the problem is both. Slaveowners were the 1% in America, and included the Wall Street types who created insurance companies and the like to finance the system. 90% of the capital in the South was tied up in slave plantations. So the loss of slavery in 1865 was the death knell for what was left in the economy.

Same system the Republicans have been working so hard to recreate. No middle class, workers as close to slavery as possible, and the enormously wealthy in charge of our politics, acting as a “class-for-itself.”

And a class of poor whites serving as foot soldiers for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:01:31pm

This is why “take shelter under an overpass” is a myth that can kill you:

ETA: Everyone involved in that photo is OK. Fortunately.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:02:24pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

In 2013 Philadelphia had two significant snowstorms before Christmas.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:04:01pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always felt that pulling off to the side of the road during a rainstorm is a huge mistake.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:04:09pm

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I see a big distinction between people’s individual decisions and the cause of the Confederacy itself. And big distinction between private displays of Confederate heritage and regalia and state-sanctioned ones.

This is why I view things like monuments and flags on a sliding scale. The flag deserves to be flown about as much as the Nazi flag.

The politicians who led and voted for the secession should not be commemorated.

The generals who led the troops? That depends on their actions. Lee? Leave his statues up. Forrest? Take them down, melt them down, and re-cast them as MLK Jr. statues.

The soldiers who fought? Footsoldiers everywhere and in all eras are just arrow/sword/cannon-fodder, and not necessarily responsible for the cause they fight for. But the cause should still not be commemorated.

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Teukka  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:05:01pm

re: #94 calochortus

I cannot imagine in what universe randomly killing people is a good idea/helpful to one’s cause.

I can. It’s the universe of the fanatic, regardless if (s)he be christian, jew, muslim, hindu or even pastafarian.

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calochortus  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:07:21pm

re: #105 Teukka

I can. It’s the universe of the fanatic, regardless if (s)he be christian, jew, muslim, hindu or even pastafarian.

OK, I’m just glad my personal reality doesn’t include harming random people being a good plan. It must be tiring to live on a diet of hate and fear.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:09:02pm

Many times soldiers wind up fighting for each other or their families instead of “the cause”. I was reading a book about the German Army and the author (Dennis Showalter) closed by saying rarely did so many fight as hard for a worse cause. I read similar things in Cornelius Ryan’s The Last Battle (about the battle for Berlin). While the generals were bidding for Hitler’s favor by offering 100,000 troops here or 50,000 there, most of the troops were fighting for their lives and trying to buy time for civilians to escape instead of fighting for the Fuhrer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:10:00pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Damnit.

Someone associated with a program that I went to Israel on all those many years ago was among those killed in the latest round of violence in Jerusalem. He was a rabbi with Aish Hatorah and was stabbed to death. He succumbed to his injuries after being taken to the hospital.

He was a man of learning and was killed within yards of Jaffa Gate.

Senseless doesn’t even begin to cover this.

המקום ינחם אתך בתוך אבלי ציון וירושלים

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:10:18pm

OT - the down side of bingewatching is having to wake up in the morning and go to work. If not for that, the only other down side is having to stop for food, drink, and going to the bathroom “It’s disgusting!”

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:10:39pm

Sad thing is, Jeb! is never going to get the Tea Partying Confederate vote anyway.

So him bowing down to them is for naught.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:11:16pm

heh

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:12:48pm

Tornado warnings from northern Illinois to central Mississippi.

Quite the December 23rd.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:14:10pm
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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:14:34pm

Tornado warning in the Quad Cities area.

That has to be extremely unusual for the eve of Christmas eve.

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psddluva4evah  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:14:45pm

Good evening everyone.

Just wanted to stop lurking a minute and wish everyone a Merry Christmas from NOLA, in case I forget.

Christmas in New Orleans - Louis Armstrong - HD Audio

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ausador  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:15:05pm

The scale of the civil war is pretty much unimaginable to Americans today. At a time when the census pegged the population at only about 31 million there were roughly 620,000 killed.

Contrast that with 407,000 American deaths in WW-II when our population was over 132 million.

Almost everyone in every town and city personally knew people who had died in the war as one out of every seventeen males had been killed. It was vicious beyond any possible modern comparison and an almost unthinkable tragedy.

That is what the Confederate battle flag stands for even if you’re so dense as to deny the role of slavery in the cause of it.

These people (you included Jeb) are sick in the head. :(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:15:44pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:16:03pm

re: #112 freetoken

Tornado warnings from northern Illinois to central Mississippi.

Quite the December 23rd.

That line of storms appears to be heading Ohio way and will hit Columbus around 10 PM or so. There are severe thunderstorm warnings up now. Should be over after midnight. What fun for December.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:16:35pm
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Timothy Watson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:17:53pm

Someone needs to develop a more powerful headache relief drug for people staring at PHP code.

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:18:44pm

re: #114 freetoken

Historic tornado and severe weather outbreak. There’s tornado watches and warnings up and down the Midwest to Deep South. And the storms will persist to Christmas day.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:19:39pm

Another threat==>

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Timothy Watson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:20:38pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

Another threat==>

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Someone needs to start a Donald Trump lawsuit threat clock a la Upchuck’s.

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makeitstop  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:21:37pm

re: #118 ObserverArt

That line of storms appears to be heading Ohio way and will hit Columbus around 10 PM or so. There are severe thunderstorm warnings up now. Should be over after midnight. What fun for December.

It’s raining like hell here on LI right now. And 60 degrees. So weird.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:23:44pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:25:14pm

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:26:23pm

Bryan isn’t even trying anymore.
Just another example of being a total failure at comedy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:27:58pm

re: #116 ausador

The scale of the civil war is pretty much unimaginable to Americans today. At a time when the census pegged the population at only about 31 million there were roughly 620,000 killed.

Contrast that with 407,000 American deaths in WW-II when our population was over 132 million.

Almost everyone in every town and city personally knew people who had died in the war as one out of every seventeen males had been killed. It was vicious beyond any possible modern comparison and an almost unthinkable tragedy.

That is what the Confederate battle flag stands for even if you’re so dense as to deny the role of slavery in the cause of it.

These people (you included Jeb) are sick in the head. :(

All of America’s other wars pale by comparison, and after the Civil War were almost entirely fought in other people’s countries. This has led to some really messed up views on war, like that it’s not such an awful thing, or that wars are relatively clean things fought between armies. It leads to things like ‘Carpet Bomb ISIS’, or the belief that we can bomb the enemy into liking us.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:28:58pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

“Mike Huckabee erotic fan fiction”

*vomits*

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:31:28pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

“Mike Huckabee erotic fan fiction”

*vomits*

In the words of Al Bundy: “Am I the only one that can taste the bile?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:33:35pm

Facebook Post

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:34:55pm

And the Rage Furby is so proud of this:

Facebook Post

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:35:24pm

wyrd of the day:

energumen

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:35:38pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Translation: Judge didn’t want to have to deal with this shit during the holidays, so he gave Chucky a temporary reprieve.

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:39:45pm

re: #133 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

wyrd of the day:

energumen

Has that word been in use since the days of witch trials?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:42:32pm

The Rage Furby got an extension on his deposition. Judge apparently didn’t want to make a decision this close to the Christmas holiday.

Facebook Post

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:43:23pm

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

Another threat==>

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All this from someone who has a great respect for women:

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”

“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.”

“I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?”

“[Angelina Jolie’s] been with so many guys she makes me look like a baby… And, I just don’t even find her attractive,”

Arianna Huffington “is unattractive both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man—he made a good decision.”

Nobody cares about the talent. There’s only one talent you care about, and that’s the look talent. You don’t give a shit if a girl can play a violin like the greatest violinist in the world. You want to know what does she look like.

“I mean, we could say politically correct that look doesn’t matter, but the look obviously matters. Like you wouldn’t have your job if you weren’t beautiful.” (To female reporter in 2015)

Uh huh.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:44:51pm

re: #135 freetoken

Has that word been in use since the days of witch trials?

i ran across it in the subtitles for a french film - i guess it’s used in french, and the english equivalent is actually in the dictionary, so i guess the translator thought english speakers might actually understand it

anyway, the way the guy in the movie meant it, the meaning was GODDAMN ANNOYING PEOPLE WHO GET IN YOUR FACE WITH STUPID ANNOYING BULLSHIT not that i had any particular group of people in mind oh no

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:44:54pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Translation: Judge didn’t want to have to deal with this shit during the holidays, so he gave Chucky a temporary reprieve.

Exactly what I thought.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:45:08pm
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sagehen  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:46:15pm

re: #116 ausador

Contrast that with 407,000 American deaths in WW-II when our population was over 132 million.

Almost everyone in every town and city personally knew people who had died in the war as one out of every seventeen males had been killed. It was vicious beyond any possible modern comparison and an almost unthinkable tragedy.

Here’s a modern comparison — in WWII, the Soviets lost more than 25 million, out of a total population of 185 million. Plus all the property damage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:48:09pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:48:30pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Exactly what I thought.

It’s the only read of the decision that makes sense. I can’t think of any evidence at this point that the judge would need to order Chucky to either be deposed or found in contempt until he did. One hopes Meuser isn’t so crazy as to try to argue that Chucky is a journalist and thus entitled to keep his sources confidential.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:49:11pm

re: #141 sagehen

Here’s a modern comparison — in WWII, the Soviets lost more than 25 million, out of a total population of 185 million. Plus all the property damage.

i wonder what the insurance settlement is for practically half of your entire country

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:49:46pm
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Timothy Watson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:50:59pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OBAMA’S SECRET DRONE REGISTRY!1!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:52:01pm

See? No global warming:

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:52:56pm

re: #138 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I get this image of some early 19th century religious American writer conjuring up some ghost story to sell to his local group… all huddled around a kettle over a stove, waiting to be scared by stories of possessed people.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:53:31pm

re: #146 Timothy Watson

OBAMA’S SECRET DRONE REGISTRY!1!!

And those drones are all programmed to one day rise up and go around taking everyone’s guns. It is the final diabolical Obama gun grab plan.

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:53:41pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

…. while 150 miles east there are tornado warnings…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:54:09pm

Ah! The story behind the “staged event”:

During a forum at the local school, the fifth-grader asked Clinton if she could do anything about bullying. “I have heard people talking behind my back about not wanting to be near me because I have asthma,” she said, drawing a hug and a lengthy discourse from the Democratic front-runner for president.

The scene from the Keota High School gym drew wide attention, partly because Clinton finished her response with a thinly veiled shot at Trump, who is known for pugnacious insults.

“I really do think we need more love and kindness in our country. I think we are not treating each other with the respect and the care that we should show toward each other,” she said to applause from 600 people gathered in the school’s small gym. “And that’s why it’s important to stand up to bullies wherever they are, and why we shouldn’t let anybody bully his way into the presidency, because that is not who we are as Americans.”

Wednesday morning, Trump fired back on Twitter. “The Hillary Clinton staged event yesterday was pathetic,” he wrote. “Be careful Hillary as you play the war on women or women being degraded card.”

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:56:34pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Isn’t that the newspaper that Trump claims is really bad and going out of business?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:57:16pm

re: #152 freetoken

Isn’t that the newspaper that Trump claims is really bad and going out of business?

probably

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:58:51pm

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 3:58:59pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why yes, it is…

No wonder Trump hates it so much. They actually tell the truth.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:02:11pm

Totally OT, but whoa… I had no idea that eye color had to do with various wavelengths of light either being mostly absorbed by the melanin in a turbid layer of the iris—as is the case with brown or black eyes—or being scattered back out. So you blue-eyed devils out there are shooting backscatter light (waves) out of your eyes at everyone. That’s so freaky, totally blew my mind.

Us dark-eyed folk have irises that just suck up all the light like black holes. Or vampires, LOL. Even weirder is that albinos’ eyes appear red/pink because the complete absence of melanin means that what we’re actually seeing is the red of the retina through the iris.

Blue irises
A blue iris in an eye is due to Tyndall scattering in a turbid layer in the iris. Brown and black irises have the same layer except with more melanin in it. The melanin absorbs light. In the absence of melanin, the layer is translucent (i.e., the light passing through is randomly and diffusely scattered) and a noticeable portion of the light that enters this turbid layer re-emerges via a scattered path. That is, there is backscatter, the redirection of the lightwaves back out to the open air. Scattering takes place to a greater extent at the shorter wavelengths. The longer wavelengths tend to pass straight through the turbid layer with unaltered paths, and then encounter the next layer further back in the iris, which is a light absorber. Thus, the longer wavelengths are not reflected (by scattering) back to the open air as much as the shorter wavelengths are. Since the shorter wavelengths are the blue wavelengths, this gives rise to a blue hue in the light that comes out of the eye. The blue iris is an example of a structural color, in contradistinction to a pigment color. The complete absence of pigment in eyes (albinism) causes the eye to appear red, due to the visibility of the red of the retina through the iris.

en.wikipedia.org

GAHHHH! If you’ll excuse me now, I need to go into my bedroom and scream into a pillow so I don’t freak out the neighbors. //

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Bubblehead II  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:05:28pm

Lizards, SMDH. I am out. see you int he morning I the mean time.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:05:49pm

re: #144 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i wonder what the insurance settlement is for practically half of your entire country

Poland, DDR, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania. Moldova, Romania, Hungary.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:06:21pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Oops, I was so freaked out I forgot the link. Fixed.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:09:09pm

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:12:34pm

re: #120 Timothy Watson

Someone needs to develop a more powerful headache relief drug for people staring at PHP code.

Take this brick.
Apply directly to the forehead.
Apply directly to the forehead.
Apply directly to the forehead.
Apply directly to the forehead.
Apply directly to the forehead.
Apply directly to the forehead.
/

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stpaulbear  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:12:59pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

@iowadot reports I-35, north of Ames, completely covered with snow.

In the Twin Cities we’ve been getting light snow all day but it’s been melting when it hits the ground. It was drizzling when I left work at 4:30. I just checked WeatherUnderground and it looks like the bad stuff is happening in the SE corner of MN and up into WI. No white Christmas for us.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:14:03pm

Good evening Lizards and I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season.

First world problems day at work, which can still be personally miserable. Was up against a repeatedly delayed deadline for getting an interface installed and ended up simply not getting it done. Some help turned up literally at the last hour and issues cropped up that could have been handled a few days, a week, or even a month ago. But not in three hours, especially once I needed something signed by people who were not present. Will try to pick the pieces up next week. This in part boils down to be not being a complete bastard to a contractor (who is also a friend of mine) earlier. And a case of working for a IT unit that skimps on resources in areas and thus can get caught short.

At this point I go over in holiday mode and switch over to prep work for family coming in tomorrow. Tree is mostly decorated, much food and drink has been gathered, and there are presents to be wrapped.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:14:17pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson
Derpy me.
What’s the format for private comments?
I can never remember.

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TedStriker  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:16:56pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:18:16pm

re: #164 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Hover over the big green question mark and all your answers shall be answered.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:18:57pm
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:19:38pm

re: #166 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hover over the big green question mark and all your answers shall be answered.

WTH, I never noticed that.
Nothing to see here, folks.
:P

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:20:38pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:21:53pm

The Trump demographic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:22:44pm

After last week’s “Can we get that done this year?”, today’s weekly telecon with my boss on the East Coast was basically,

“Anything we need to discuss?”

“Nah.”

“Same here. We’ll talk after the holiday.”

Every year, bosses want to get shit done before the new year, and every year they lose sight of how little time there is left to do it in, and then every year they end up not caring whether it got done this year or early next.

Three decades of this shit has made me, if not unflappable, at least relatively hard to flap.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:23:50pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

The Trump demographic.

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50% misspelled! That’s almost too bad to be true!

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Skip Intro  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:24:06pm

I never noticed this before. Maybe Trump’s on to something after all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:25:21pm

search and rescue is still going on there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:26:11pm

re: #166 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hover over the big green question mark and all your answers shall be answered.

Will all my answers be questioned?
//

The other day, I read that George Carlin said, “Question everything!!!”

I wondered - Should I?

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Skip Intro  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:26:32pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t quite make out the last word. Is it supposed to be “liars”?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:26:41pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:27:30pm

re: #176 Skip Intro

I can’t quite make out the last word. Is it supposed to be “liars”?

That was my guess. Whatever, ‘Lyeers’ isn’t a word in English, so whatever it was SUPPOSED to be, it was misspelled.

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:30:49pm

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

That was my guess. Whatever, ‘Lyeers’ isn’t a word in English, so whatever it was SUPPOSED to be, it was misspelled.

The Lye-ers were a 1890’s gang that went around cleaning clothes surreptitiously, making sure they were all nice and clearn.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:34:06pm

re: #179 freetoken

The Lye-ers were a 1890’s gang that went around cleaning clothes surreptitiously, making sure they were all nice and clearn.

-_-

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:34:41pm

re: #179 freetoken

The Lye-ers were a 1890’s gang that went around cleaning clothes surreptitiously, making sure they were all nice and clearn.

Clearn? Is that the derivation of ‘Earn while you clearn”?
////

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:35:39pm

Greg Howe is some kind of freak of nature. This video starts out with a mind-blowing solo.

Greg Howe Jams on new Gear and Equipment - 2015

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:36:01pm

re: #177 CuriousLurker

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Looks like a Zombaby, who wants to eat strained brains.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:37:20pm

These people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:38:20pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Better watch out, CL. We’ll shoot scattered light at you from our turbid layers!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:39:32pm

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

These people.

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Remember the good old days, when people believed in things because they were true? Now for a hefty percentage of our country, things are true because they believe them.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:40:36pm

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

mycuckabee? lol

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:48:47pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:51:12pm
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ausador  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:51:16pm

re: #94 calochortus

I cannot imagine in what universe randomly killing people is a good idea/helpful to one’s cause.

The soviet union used to publish guidebooks on effective terrorist strategy, mainly distributed in south america. Terrorism isn’t as senseless as it often seems to be on the surface to outsiders.

What the Soviets advocated were acts that engendered check points, random searches, suspicion/hatred of minorities, etc, etc…

The point of focused terrorism is to turn a significant proportion of the population against the government of the targeted country by making it adopt the actions of a police state.

It isn’t random or senseless, it just seems that way if you aren’t aware of what the terrorist goal is.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:53:39pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

The Trump demographic.

Embedded Image

Is that green thing a white trash power droid?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:55:05pm

re: #191 De Kolta Chair

Is that green thing a white trash power droid?

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GONK.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:55:14pm

For comparison:

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freetoken  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:56:00pm

How hapless the establishment GOP has become, with Jeb! and this latest debacle as an example.

Checked out a link that went to NRO, and not checking that site regularly I decided to look around… and what a mess it appears the far-right/hate-right/race-realist-right are in.

They really are besides themselves trying to find the True Conservative.

Vapid so much over there has always been, but it seems that now the commenters are getting quite surly with the article writers. I get a sense of discontent, as if the NRO writers just aren’t throwing enough red meat to their masses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:56:27pm

This guy almost became one of the US Senators from Alaska, until Lisa Murkowski beat him as a write-in. There isn’t a single wingnut conspiracy he does not embrace.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:57:46pm
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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 4:59:33pm

re: #194 freetoken

How hapless the establishment GOP has become, with Jeb! and this latest debacle as an example.

Checked out a link that when to NRO, and not checking that site regularly I decided to look around… and what a mess it appears the far-right/hate-right/race-realist-right are in.

They really are besides themselves trying to find the True Conservative.

Vapid so much over there has always been, but it seems that now the commenters are getting quite surly with the article writers. I get a sense of discontent, as if the NRO writers just aren’t throwing enough red meat to their masses.

Again, I wonder what would happen if some candidate with more ambition than morals might decide to go full Jake Featherston and openly advocate genocide. The legacy media have made it clear that they’ll support anything for ratings (and perhaps because they fear having that castrating bitch as President). The base has wanted this forever. The money men care only about getting into office and looting the government. So what’s to stop someone?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:00:22pm
Click to Reveal

I put that in a spoiler because the photo (Norwegian Christmas food) might be gross.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:00:35pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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Good ol’ Rand “Not an original thought in his head” Paul.

Hasn’t he had issues in the past with borrowing intellectual properties?

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:01:30pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering that the game came out in 1995, that shouldn’t be at all surprising.

My first cd game purchase. Still have it in the box, but never got around to playing it.

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WhatEVs  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:01:57pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t read the comments. Never read the comments.

SMFH.

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:02:24pm

re: #197 Brian J.

Again, I wonder what would happen if some candidate with more ambition than morals might decide to go full Jake Featherston and openly advocate genocide. The legacy media have made it clear that they’ll support anything for ratings (and perhaps because they fear having that castrating bitch as President). The base has wanted this forever. The money men care only about getting into office and looting the government. So what’s to stop someone?

The GOP seems to be edging more and more towards just outright calling for the Middle East to be nuked, so I wouldn’t not be surprised if the demand for red meat reached the point that a candidate openly advocated genocide in order to protect us from the boogeyman…er, from ISIS.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:04:05pm
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:04:19pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I put that in a spoiler because the photo might be gross.

Ah, Norway.

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:05:29pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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I want that in writing and signed in blood.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:05:47pm

Hitler finds out he’s being compared to Trump.
Hitler rants about Trump - @OpieRadio

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:05:51pm

Is that fish or battery acid???

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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:05:57pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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Honestly, that would be a surprise. I’d have thought the Huckster would be convincing people that he still had a shot in South Carolina, and then in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, North Carolina, Utah, etc. to drain their pockets of every available cent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:06:23pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:07:06pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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Mike, I hate to tell you this, but there is no way you finish in the top three in Iowa.

Drop out now Mike and save us all from having to see and hear you any longer. It’s been too much already. Bye Bye!

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lawhawk  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:09:19pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:09:36pm

well, crap. Just a few counties west of me and we have a lot of family living there.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:10:54pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, crap. Just a few counties west of me and we have a lot of family living there.

[Embedded content]

Hope everyone stays safe Sleuth!

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:12:43pm

re: #206 Eric The Fruit Bat

Hitler finds out he’s being compared to Trump.

That’s one of the funniest ones I’ve seen. Definitely in the top three!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:14:28pm

Wednesday morning, Trump fired back on Twitter. “The Hillary Clinton staged event yesterday was pathetic,” he wrote. “Be careful Hillary as you play the war on women or women being degraded card.”

now just what exactly is that obvious threat supposed to imply???

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Mattand  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:14:57pm

David Frum and some other talking heads on MSNBC are wringing their hands over how Trump is brainwashing the poor misunderstood TeaBaggers. Utterly ov flooding the huge vein of bigotry Trump is mining.

Shame on Steve Karnacki for not calling them out on this bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:16:24pm

dammit

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:16:57pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I put that in a spoiler because the photo (Norwegian Christmas food) might be gross.

You have to understand that all they had to eat in the middle of Elsa winter was stuff that they preserved and set aside during the 15 days of summer. I mean literally no food grows there in the winter.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:17:42pm

PharmaBro’s empire continues its collapse: KaloBios Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Notified by Nasdaq Stock Market of Delisting

“Nasdaq cited reasons for the delisting including the indictment and arrest of both Shkreli and an outside attorney for KaloBios, Evan Greebel, plus the company’s noncompliance with Nasdaq financial reporting rules. KaloBios has not filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission a report on its financial results for the three months ended Sept. 30, as publicly traded companies are required to do every three months.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:17:43pm

re: #216 Mattand

David Frum and some other talking heads on MSNBC are wringing their hands over how Trump is brainwashing the poor misunderstood TeaBaggers. Utterly ov flooding the huge vein of bigotry Trump is mining.

Shame on Steve Karnacki for not calling them out on this bullshit.

Frum lives in a constant state of denial. He refuses to acknowledge that his old boss encouraged these wackos for years and thus set the stage for all the shit that is now raining down upon the party establishment.

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ObserverArt  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:18:15pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

dammit

I was just looking at some maps and it looks very ugly just south of Cincinnati.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:18:15pm

What about the kids of Canadians?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:18:36pm

re: #216 Mattand

David Frum and some other talking heads on MSNBC are wringing their hands over how Trump is brainwashing the poor misunderstood TeaBaggers. Utterly ov flooding the huge vein of bigotry Trump is mining.

Shame on Steve Karnacki for not calling them out on this bullshit.

Basically the only move the “serious” Republicans have is to keep pretending this is some kind of black swan insane fuckery, as opposed to the totally predictable result of forty-year project of trying to domesticate the hateful crazy vote.

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Targetpractice  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:19:57pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

What about the kids of Canadians?

[Embedded content]

Good lord, George Zimmerman is more Hispanic than Ted Cruz. If Cruz were any whiter, he’d be transparent.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:21:57pm

re: #223 The Ghost of a Flea

Basically the only move the “serious” Republicans have is to keep pretending this is some kind of black swan insane fuckery, as opposed to the totally predictable result of forty-year project of trying to domesticate the hateful crazy vote.

oh! the reaganite republicans had NO IDEA that all this hateful bigotry existed or that they were playing on it all along

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:22:59pm

Ted Cruz is as Hispanic as Desi Arnaz, if Desi was born in Canada, had an American mother and didn’t speak Spanish.

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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:23:29pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

Good lord, George Zimmerman is more Hispanic than Ted Cruz. If Cruz were any whiter, he’d be transparent.

He’s always been transparent to me.

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:27:00pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

This guy almost became one of the US Senators from Alaska, until Lisa Murkowski beat him as a write-in. There isn’t a single wingnut conspiracy he does not embrace.

[Embedded content]

He’s always surrounded himself with winners—remember when they were going to rule the world with “The Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama,” (I just love this poster!) It was the POLITICAL EVENT OF THE YEAR!!!! With “America’s most influential and conservative “Joe’s” (punctuation optional)

Yeah, that went well.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:27:18pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Uh, I hate to tell you, Federalist, but at best Cruz’s kids are 1/4 Hispanic-father is 1/2 Hispanic and mother is American.

And, of course, The Federalist doesn’t allow commenting-so brave of them. (spit)

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:27:34pm

Who says Jews can’t be Anti-Semitic?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:28:16pm

re: #225 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oh! the reaganite republicans had NO IDEA that all this hateful bigotry existed or that they were playing on it all along

“I was just minding my own business, sewing together cadaver parts and zappng them with lightning, and suddenly there’s Frankenstein’s Monsters running around lowering the property values.

No idea how this could have happened.”

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:28:56pm

re: #228 BeachDem

He’s always surrounded himself with winners—remember when they were going to rule the world with “The Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama,” (I just love this poster!) It was the POLITICAL EVENT OF THE YEAR!!!! With “America’s most influential and conservative “Joe’s” (punctuation optional)

The lengths some people will go to scrounge up beer money.

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Brian J.  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:30:17pm

re: #231 The Ghost of a Flea

“I was just minding mine own business, sewing together cadaver parts and zappng them with lightning, and suddenly there’s Frankenstein’s Monsters running around lowering the property values.

No idea how this could have happened.”

Yeah, no idea why Philadelphia, Mississippi was significant to some people.

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:33:26pm

re: #208 Brian J.

Honestly, that would be a surprise. I’d have thought the Huckster would be convincing people that he still had a shot in South Carolina, and then in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, North Carolina, Utah, etc. to drain their pockets of every available cent.

Huck’s at 1.3% in SC, tied with Kasich and ahead of only Santorum and Pataki. (SC loves ‘em some TRUMP—he went up another 3 points between 12/20 and 12/22.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:35:22pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

You and frothy mix both, Huck.

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:39:56pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

What about the kids of Canadians?

[Embedded content]

Racially charged? Nope.

Stupid. Unnecessary. In poor taste, yes.

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calochortus  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:40:08pm

re: #190 ausador

I wonder how effective it is in the long run, though.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:40:27pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, crap. Just a few counties west of me and we have a lot of family living there.

[Embedded content]

I better turn on the TV

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:41:28pm

re: #238 Big Beautiful Door

I better turn on the TV

Looks like it’s losing strength.
Lots of power outages in its wake, though.

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sagehen  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:46:54pm

re: #236 BeachDem

Racially charged? Nope.

Stupid. Unnecessary. In poor taste, yes.

Somebody told conservatives it was racist to portray the Obama girls as monkeys; they claim to think that means it’s racist to portray any kids as monkeys.

I’m not sure if they’re pretending to not understand the difference, or if they really don’t understand. I’m not sure which would be worse.

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BeachDem  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:47:56pm

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

Who says Jews can’t be Anti-Semitic?

[Embedded content]

He seems nice. Quite the speller/grammarian as well.

You know, if current polling were to be more accurate, it should be conducted at about 40% Democrats, 2% Republicans, and 11tythousand% Independents (all the GOPers who are embarrassed to admit they’re Republicans.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:48:06pm

re: #236 BeachDem

Racially charged? Nope.

Stupid. Unnecessary. In poor taste, yes.

But how about when the global warming starts affecting the hockey?

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ausador  Dec 23, 2015 • 5:58:06pm

re: #237 calochortus

I wonder how effective it is in the long run, though.

Seems to be working exceptionally well with the Republican party right now since you asked me…

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makeitstop  Dec 23, 2015 • 8:04:40pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Greg Howe is some kind of freak of nature. This video starts out with a mind-blowing solo.

[Embedded content]

Video

His playing just makes me smile. I’ll never get close to his level of ability, but I sure can appreciate it.

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Scout  Dec 23, 2015 • 9:24:57pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

If I remember correctly, that is the world’s biggest building. At least it used to be. I’m not sure if it still holds the record.


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