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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:46:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:46:14am

Dana’s having a hissy==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:46:58am

Dana forgot there was a “Good Guy With A Gun” at the Tuscon shooting

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:48:25am

Re-posted from downstairs…

Some local news:

Bill calls for Utah middle school students to get training on gun safety, gunmen

sltrib.com

and:

Judge who ordered baby removed from lesbian couple’s home has retired

fox13now.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:48:38am

WHUT
Was it knife violence? Hammer violence? Hands & Feet violence? Obesity violence?

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:49:57am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT
Was it knife violence? Hammer violence? Hands & Feet violence? Obesity violence?

It was Islam violence.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:51:26am

I don’t get how a background check is “bullying.” “We reviewed your files and found you chubby and smelly.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:51:34am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT
Was it knife violence? Hammer violence? Hands & Feet violence? Obesity violence?

Patently!!!!1

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:52:22am
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The Mountain That Blogs  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:53:50am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

And another at Umpqua who specifically did nothing because he didn’t want the cops to shoot him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:53:54am
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:53:56am

“I taught Constitutional Law”

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:54:03am

Why people freak out about this man is beyond me. He is one of the coolest, most rational people ever to hold the office.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:54:44am

Ben go fuck yourself

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:56:33am

Ben & Dana totally losing their shit now in craptacular Twitter meltdowns.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:56:38am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT
Was it knife violence? Hammer violence? Hands & Feet violence? Obesity violence?

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What the fuck was it then you gun fetish freak? God these people want to blame everything but their precious guns for gun violence.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:57:18am

re: #7 Barefoot Grin

I don’t get how a background check is “bullying.” “We reviewed your files and found you chubby and smelly.”

In fact, most people it will be “Okay, you’re good, sir or ma’am.” Besides RWers complaining about bullying is hilarious if not sad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:57:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:58:04am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

Ben go fuck yourself

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Seriously what the fuck is wrong with him? If I were his parents, I’d be ashamed of raising this little brat.

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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:58:29am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

TWO SOON!!1! WHY MUSS TEH YOUSURPER/TRAITOR IN CHEF POLITISIZE ARE TRADGEDIES???/?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:58:44am

I need to refresh the front page more often. From downstairs:

This CDC graph… would be interesting to see a breakdown of “terrorist deaths by gun”.

It’s our national tragedy. An epidemic that Republicans only want to keep feeding. Will the President’s EOs end it completely? Absolutely not. That’s not his stated intention. It’s to lessen the epidemic so future steps to significantly curb this senseless death can be taken.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:58:52am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

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Like unpopular high schoolers, bitching about the captain of the football team.

Miserable little turds, they are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:59:33am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 8:59:43am

Republicans and conservatives don’t care about victims of gun violence. They care about guns more than they do people and the reaction we’re seeing proves that. Good for President Obama for doing something on this. It won’t stop all gun violence but it’s a start to reducing it which is something none of the Republicans have shown a desire to do.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:00:28am

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Exactly but Wayne Little Dick doesn’t so we don’t get that. Thanks POTUS for pointing out that the NRA and Republicans are at odds with their own base.

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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:01:07am

I still like Chris Rock’s idea: bullet control. Possibly NSFW because Chris Rock language.

Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:01:10am

I’m guessing this is the “lie” Dana is spitting about:

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:02:01am

Quoting Reagan. Citing Republican support of background checks.

He’s kicking the legs off the gun lobby stool, one by one. Bravo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:02:10am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:02:17am

These people are so fucked up I just can’t even

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:02:39am

re: #28 makeitstop

Quoting Reagan. Citing Republican support of background checks.

He’s kicking the legs off the gun lobby stool, one by one. Bravo.

HWO DARE HE QUOTE OR REAGAN

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:02:41am
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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:03:17am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Why does Ben want to buy a rifle and “tons of ammo”? Is it reckless to speculate? It would be reckless not to…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:03:29am

Why would Ben have to rush out to buy a gun and ammo? Does he have something to hide?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:03:31am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

These people are so fucked up I just can’t even

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Hahaha Ben you’re so bad ass, yeah you’re really going to show the President by buying a gun. I’m sure he’ll be petrified knowing a little pissant like you bought a gun because he’s a scared manchild.

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withak  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:03:41am

So, let me get this straight.

Obama’s executive actions amount to better (and more efficient) enforcement of laws that are already on the books, something that 2A advocates have actually pressed for themselves as an alternative to new laws.

Dana, Benny, et al. are all freaking the fuck out because this is somehow Obama finally doin’ his gun-grabbin’ thing, which he has somehow failed to do in the past seven years.

(The actual reason for the freakout, of course, is a bit of terribly transparent political theater, meant to keep the base angry and misinformed.)

Do I have that about right?

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:03:41am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

Ben go fuck yourself

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I said it for you, I can’t stand Ben.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:04:21am

re: #33 KGxvi

Why does Ben want to buy a rifle and “tons of ammo”? Is it reckless to speculate? It would be reckless not to…

To compensate for having a baby dick and knowing he’s a worthless right wing hack who would be in the unemployment line if not for the anti-Obama rage industry.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:05:11am

Do background checks include checking Twitter timelines? (it should) If so, then I can think of at least two people who shouldn’t be allowed to buy any more guns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:05:24am

Ben should have bought his new guns and ammo yesterday.
Prices are getting massively hiked at this very moment, because reasons

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:05:35am

re: #36 withak

So, let me get this straight.

Obama’s executive actions amount to better (and more efficient) enforcement of laws that are already on the books, something that 2A advocates have actually pressed for themselves as an alternative to new laws.

Dana, Benny, et al. are all freaking the fuck out because this is somehow Obama finally doin’ his gun-grabbin’ thing, which he has somehow failed to do in the past seven years.

(The actual reason for the freakout, of course, is a bit of terribly transparent political theater, meant to keep the base angry and misinformed.)

Do I have that about right?

Yeah, yo’ve got it pretty much nailed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:06:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:06:40am
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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:07:02am

re: #36 withak

Obama’s executive actions amount to better (and more efficient) enforcement of laws that are already on the books, something that 2A advocates have actually pressed for themselves as an alternative to new laws.

This, of course, is the typical point of Executive Orders (and administrative regulations, for that matter). They are intended to clarify vague provisions and give agencies direction on how to “faithfully execute and enforce the law.”

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:07:35am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

These people are so fucked up I just can’t even

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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:07:58am

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT
Was it knife violence? Hammer violence? Hands & Feet violence? Obesity violence?

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OMG! PMS must be contagius!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:08:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:08:13am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s perfectly reasonable so of course the Republicans are going to be against it.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:08:35am

re: #36 withak

Yup. That sums it up. The right wing nutters are nuts. And are freaking out over changes that actually make sure that background checks are done in a timely fashion and check against more records that might help reduce firearms fatalities and casualties (like mental health records that might reduce suicides with firearms).

But the GOP right wing gun nuts think that a free-for-all with guns is preferable. Somalia and Iraq could not be reached for comment.

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:08:49am

CuriousLurker, just to continue the conversation about voting below, here’s how conservatives think. The article you copied said

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged … .”

And while that language is used, it’s not the full text. The full sentence reads

“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”

In conservative terms, and I’ve had this argument with conservatives, all of these amendments prevent discrimination based on age, gender, or race. It says nothing about a guarantee to vote. It just says that if voting is allowed, then we can’t restrict it this way. There’s nothing that explicitly says that you have a right to vote.

Remember, these are the same people who say that the 10th allows anything not mentioned in the constitution, and then restricts abortion and all sorts of stuff because it’s not mentioned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:09:13am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:10:07am

I think they are worried that the feds will discover that they are mentally ill.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:10:22am

‘Put your money where your mouth is.’

BOOM.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:22am

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

I think they are worried that the feds will discover that they are mentally ill.

I think that’s gotta be it.

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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:30am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

It was so much better when men with self-esteem/micropenis issues would buy sports cars and motorcycles.

But in all honesty, there’s something I find kind of threatening when someone expresses excitement about buying a rifle and “tons of ammo”.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:50am

Wingnuts squirming => Obama’s doing something right.

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:53am

re: #52 GlutenFreeJesus

I think they are worried that the feds will discover that they are mentally ill.

Or maybe they’re worried they’ll find out they’re mentally ill.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:11:57am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Exactly Mr. President. It’s too bad your opponents though suck on the NRA’s fat tit though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:12:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:12:06am

good freaking grief.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:12:20am

re: #50 Belafon

CuriousLurker, just to continue the conversation about voting below, here’s how conservatives think.

I understand it’s how many conservatives think. They’re wrong and they cherry pick which things should be taken literally and/or must be stated explicitly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:12:34am

LOLWHUT
Go fuck yourself Huck

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:12:41am

re: #56 KGxvi

It was so much better when men with self-esteem/micropenis issues would buy sports cars and motorcycles.

But in all honesty, there’s something I find kind of threatening when someone expresses excitement about buying a rifle and “tons of ammo”.

Yeah I know what you mean. It seems like they do this a lot. Shaprio’s fellow asshole in arms, Erickson does this a lot too. I doubt they actually ever buy but it is threatening.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:13:53am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

Save them for the wars the GOP spawn will start.

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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:02am

I am crying here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:03am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

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He never said he hoped to prevent all gun violence you hack, he did say he hoped we could cut it down. We’ve cut down on car and plane crashes so why can’t we cut down on gun violence? Really, I’d just prefer it if Ben and Dana were honest, they don’t give two shits about victims of gun violence. He really should go fuck himself with one of Dana’s guns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:12am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:23am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freaking grief.

Rah rah 2nd amendment. Fuck you Paulie.

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:23am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:14:30am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT
Go fuck yourself Huck

I’m gonna have so much fun preventing him from shooting Zombies when the apocalypse occurs.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:15:13am

Holy shit, listen to them scream.

Objecting to common sense. the GOP circa 2016.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:15:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:15:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:15:58am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Me too.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:05am

2nd amdt. was a mistake.

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:07am

Obama is making one hell of a good speech.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:12am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Man I love this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:42am

re: #76 Nyet

2nd amdt. was a mistake.

I’m honestly starting to feel that way. AT the very least, it was written terribly.

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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:51am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Real tears falling down his cheeks. I cry when I get mad too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:16:53am
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CuriousLurker  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:17:13am

“If you make it hard for them to get elected…” *splodey heads… POP, POP, POP…*

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:17:49am

Shorter Obama: ‘Come at me, assholes.’

And the assholes are lining right up. He makes them twitch at will.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:17:58am

re: #76 Nyet

2nd amdt. was a mistake.

It just needs a sub-clause: “This Amendment does not guarantee unrestricted access to unlimited firepower.”

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:18:22am

Man, the clicks from the cameras when he’s crying. Damn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:18:24am
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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:18:54am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly starting to feel that way. AT the very least, it was written terribly.

It’s not separable from how it was written.

Written terribly => mistake.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:18:57am

This little shitgoblin==>

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:19:31am

They’re going to call him a wuss for crying but they never had to feel the pain of those parents in Sandy Hook.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:19:47am

re: #87 Nyet

It’s not separable from how it was written.

Written terribly => mistake.

Good point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:20:27am
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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:21:09am

How can anyone, in good conscience, argue with any of what the president just said?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:21:10am

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

This little shitgoblin==>

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No, asshole, he’s crying because of people like you, children get killed by assholes. Maybe if your daughter was one of the Sandy Hook victims, you wouldn’t be so obsessed with protecting the rights of guns over the rights of people to live in a society where nutjobs like Lanza, Roof, and the others can’t just shoot up innocent people at will.

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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:21:11am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

They’re going to call him a wuss for crying but they never had to feel the pain of those parents in Sandy Hook.

Then GWB is a wuss too. He cried often

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:21:20am

*lights desk on fire*
*hurls it out the window*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:21:45am
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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:22:20am

re: #50 Belafon

Of course, they’re also very wrong about it:

Article I, Section 2: The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature…No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen…When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

Article I, Section 5: Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business…

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 2: But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Seventeenth Amendment: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

There are plenty of references to the right to vote contained within the Constitution. That provision in the Fourteenth Amendment would be a rather interesting stick to use in fighting voter registration laws, but it’s pretty much a nuclear option, so I doubt it would be used.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:22:40am

re: #92 makeitstop

How can anyone, in good conscience, argue with any of what the president just said?

“Argue” implies back-and-forth dialog and attempting to convince with persuasive statements.

They won’t argue, they’ll just shriek and stamp their feet, like children do.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:22:50am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

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*lights desk on fire*
*hurls it out the window*

Someone needs to smack that little punk ass bitch.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:22:57am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

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*lights desk on fire*
*hurls it out the window*

(* silently entertains scenarios of ultra-violence involving Ben *)

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:22:57am

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

This little shitgoblin==>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:23:04am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:23:32am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

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God I hate the NRA and their lies.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:23:38am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

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*lights desk on fire*
*hurls it out the window*

Murder acc. to whom? Not the courts.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:23:58am

re: #92 makeitstop

How can anyone, in good conscience, argue with any of what the president just said?

Arguing facts not in evidence - that those opposed are arguing in good conscience. They are arguing against Obama. Arguing without facts or evidence. Arguing against any restrictions, when the plain language of the 2A clearly starts with a well regulated militia, but they don’t want to delve into what constitutes getting to a well regulated militia.

Or that existing law that has survived judicial review indicates that background checks are legitimate, and that closing loopholes and expanding checks and making sure the checks occur in a timely fashion isn’t a restriction on firearms ownership. But it could reduce firearms fatalities - particularly suicides.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:24:03am
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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:24:09am

Some nut on FB says that Obama wants tracking “chips” in guns…..

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:24:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:24:34am

re: #100 makeitstop

(* silently entertains scenarios of ultra-violence involving Ben *)

I’ve told you all before but I’ve known first hand what it’s like to lose someone to gun violence and known the fears of being afraid that someone you loved and cared for was a victim of a mass shooting. The gun nuts flipping their shit over this don’t know that pain at all.

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gocart mozart  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:25:10am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other related gun nut news.

Who would have thought that Al was the smart level headed Bundy.

I used to be disgusted but now I’m just amused. This is a golden opportunity for a grand social experiment. Fifteen heavily armed overgrown children with chips on their shoulders strand themselves on a deserted bird sanctuary out in the middle of nowhere: let’s see what happens. Shame there isn’t a live video feed, it would be the #1 reality show in the country. A cross between “Lord of the Flies” and the ending of “Reservoir Dogs.” I’ll call it “Lord of the Reservoir Dogs with Flies.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:25:24am
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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:25:49am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:25:57am

re: #107 Jenner7

Some nut on FB says that Obama wants tracking “chips” in guns…..

BTW, wouldn’t it be a good idea?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:27:10am

The gun lobby are cowards as str their allies in Congress and the Wingnutsphere. Pure and simple.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:28:03am

So when is he going to sigh the EO, does anyone know?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:29:12am
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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:29:13am

re: #71 Belafon

I’m gonna have so much fun preventing him from shooting Zombies when the apocalypse occurs.

Has anyone ever checked into how many zombie movies were funded by the NRA? I did a bit of checking. One of the earliest, Night of the Living Dead, came out in 1968.
Shooting zombies is the fad among gun enthusiasts

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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:29:51am

re: #76 Nyet

2nd amdt. was a mistake.

At the time it was written, and with the state of the country, it made sense. We did not have a standing army and had to rely on state militias, which were (and are still legally defined as) all able bodied men of a certain age. They were expected to bring their own guns when called into service.

Does it make much sense now? Given the changes in our culture, changes in technology, changes in how our society is organized, the way the Amendment is written (and more importantly interpreted) makes no sense.

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:30:30am

re: #113 Nyet

Maybe, but it’s not even on the hemisphere. That’s what you get with nuttballs. They don’t deal in what’s real at this moment.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:31:04am

re: #57 Nyet

Wingnuts squirming => Obama’s doing something right.

As regulators, we know we are doing it right when everybody is annoyed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:31:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:31:06am

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

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Ben really is a classless asshole. Again Ben, you didn’t have to feel the pain those parents did in Sandy Hook. Maybe just maybe if you tried empathy, you know that thing that most conservatives like yourself are sorely lacking, you’d understand why the President is doing what he’s doing and feels why he does but you can’t and that’s because you’re a right wing sociopath.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:31:30am
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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:31:53am

One of the comments on the Cspan FB page:

He (Obama) absolutely believes no one should own a gun, except for his people that us.

“his people”.

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:32:07am

re: #108 Ace-o-aces

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:33:01am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:34:16am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freaking grief.

How dare he try to regulate that which the constitution says should be well regulated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:34:34am
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ObserverArt  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:34:42am

Wow…thread is flying fast. I didn’t get a chance to watch the President. I just saw a bit of the replay and he is crying pretty good. Good on him. I suppose fucking TRUMP® will call him a baby or not strong or some bullshit…so a FUCK YOU TRUMP just for good measure.

I got to thinking about the people crying about the doctors being able to report patients. Fuck off. You guys cheered TRUMP® when he suggested people spy on their freaking neighbors if they have dark skin or whatever. I trust a doctor way more than I trust some stupid FOX TV viewing

Yeah, I’m pissed today. Life is not going well at the moment and stupid politics sure doesn’t make me feel any better. Or, safer…from fucking guns. And stupid politicians that really don’t care about anyone.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:35:17am

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

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Shut up, Ben. You emotionally stunted bag of hate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:35:26am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thank you, Mr. Conley. This is not an attack on the right to bear arms in the slightest.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:36:26am

re: #118 KGxvi

I think the too permissive text is a mistake not only in general, but also specifically in that historical context. Yes, there are new kinds of weapons now, but the “human” problems are the same.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:36:42am

The GOP/right wing BS translated:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:36:52am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Thank you, Mr. Conley. This is not an attack on the right to bear arms in the slightest.

It is an attack on UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO UNLIMITED FIREPOWER and that cannot be tolerated by Free Citizens (TM)

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jaunte  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:37:04am

With any luck, Ben Shapiro will buy a rifle and “tons of ammunition” every week until he goes broke.

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:37:06am

Asshat Mike Rogers on CNN saying Obama going after NRA is dividing the country.

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:37:25am

re: #133 lawhawk

The GOP/right wing BS translated:

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“And if we could take that away from him, we would.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:37:38am

Delusional:

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:38:08am

OT:
Can you even imagine Gohmert on 10K characters?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:38:27am

re: #132 Nyet

I think the too permissive text is a mistake not only in general, but also specifically in that historical context. Yes, there are new kinds of weapons now, but the “human” problems are the same.

The text is not too permissive, it refers to memebers of a well regulated militia.

And historically, it refers to flintlock muskets which fired 3-4 rounds per minute, not semi-automatic weapons.

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:39:20am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Delusional:

I’ve gone to an event sponsored by the local NRA, and it is very safe. You don’t follow their rules and that’s the last time you touch a gun there.

The national organization, on the other hand, has nothing to do with safety.

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:39:24am

re: #136 Jenner7

Asshat Mike Rogers on CNN saying Obama going after NRA is dividing the country.

Like the NRA hasn’t been dividing the country for years.

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jaunte  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:39:38am
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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:40:07am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The text is not too permissive, it refers to memebers of a well regulated militia.

No, it refers to “the people”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:40:37am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Delusional:

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LOL, you haven’t done jack shit. You’ve done a lot to lie and scare gun owners whenever a Democrat gets elected President or governor to scare your members into hoarding more guns to make your gun industry benefactors more wealthy though.

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:19am

re: #136 Jenner7

Asshat Mike Rogers on CNN saying Obama going after NRA is dividing the country.

What, between those who support a civilized society and those who think that anarchy is acceptable if it allows greater access to firearms?

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Testy Toad T  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:22am

re: #141 Belafon

I’ve gone to an event sponsored by the local NRA, and it is very safe. You don’t follow their rules and that’s the last time you touch a gun there.

The national organization, on the other hand, has nothing to do with safety.

When put that way, it sounds surprisingly similar to the Boy Scouts, doesn’t it?

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:30am

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

OT:
Can you even imagine Gohmert on 10K characters?

If they’d only allow something for formatting, like maybe a system a of begin/end tags, they could totally revolutionize the way information is shared between people.

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:32am

Turning news off or I’ll throw something at my TV.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:35am
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jaunte  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:39am

Ted Cruz is a clown.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:41:40am

re: #139 FormerDirtDart

OT:
Can you even imagine Gohmert on 10K characters?

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Twitter would absolutely tank. One big tl;dr

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:42:00am

re: #136 Jenner7

Asshat Mike Rogers on CNN saying Obama going after NRA is dividing the country.

Obama should go after the NRA and I would love for him to point out that the NRA is a hate organization as well that loves using fear of minorities to strum up fears. Republicans have no room at all to accuse this president of being divisivie when their own leaders in their own words set out to make him a one term president.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:42:30am

The foolish assumption that giving “the people” the unrestricted access to arms will result in a well-regulated militia is, in fact, the core mistake of the 2nd amdt.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:42:41am

re: #151 jaunte

Ted Cruz is a clown.

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Funny Ted, you’re okay with government control for things your theocratic religious desire wants. Get bent and choke on a gun.

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KGxvi  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:42:49am

re: #144 Nyet

It refers to both, actually. Which is how we end up with different interpretations. But again, in 1794, what constituted a militia is quite different than what constitutes a militia today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:43:32am
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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:44:12am

Plus they’re too busy repealing the ACA and defunding PP.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:44:23am

re: #156 KGxvi

It refers to both, actually. Which is how we end up with different interpretations. But again, in 1794, what constituted a militia is quite different than what constitutes a militia today.

That’s part of the problem of Constitutional literalism.

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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:45:02am

re: #151 jaunte

Ted Cruz is a clown.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:47:32am

re: #156 KGxvi

It refers to both, actually.

Wendell implied that it gives the right only to the members of a well-regulated militia. In that context: no, it only refers to “the people”. A well-regulated militia is mentioned for context, but is never made a necessary condition.

Which is how we end up with different interpretations.

Which is why it was a mistake from the start.

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ipsos  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:47:56am

I turned over to Fox Noise after the president’s speech so you don’t have to.

Short version:

Why didn’t Obama do more sooner?

He must have had raw onions on the podium to fake those tears (dark-haired woman)

Why didn’t he make this announcement in Chicago?

This was all political posturing (Meghan McCain)

MOAR GUNZ (Andrew Napolitano)

BENGHAZI! (dark-haired woman)

At which point I gave up…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:48:27am

I’m tired of Republican lies. They talk about “Oh let’s prevent mentally ill people from getting guns.” POTUS says okay how about background checks? And they flip their shit. Republicans repeatedly show in my eyes that they don’t care about victims of gun violence. Sure they offer prayers but prayer is hollow as hell when you’re in a position of political power to impact change.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:49:00am

re: #162 ipsos

I turned over to Fox Noise after the president’s speech so you don’t have to.

Short version:

Why didn’t Obama do more sooner?

He must have had raw onions on the podium to fake those tears (dark-haired woman)

Why didn’t he make this announcement in Chicago?

This was all political posturing (Meghan McCain)

MOAR GUNZ (Andrew Napolitano)

BENGHAZI! (dark-haired woman)

At which point I gave up…

Sheesh.

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:49:02am

re: #158 Jenner7

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Plus they’re too busy repealing the ACA and defunding PP.

Funny you mention the ACA, because that’s all we heard during the debates surrounding its creation. First, the wingnuts insisted that there was no problem, that medical care in this country was awesome and anything done to reform it would only destroy it. Then, when the polls showed that the vast majority of Americans wanted reform, it became “Yes, we need reform, but we can do it ‘better’ than the President can.”

And yet, years later, they still can’t produce an alternative because all their best ideas got nicked and they’ve spent too much time shitting on them to realize that, without them, there’s no way to make an alternative work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:49:43am
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Maxwell Not So Smart  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:49:44am

Read this on FB

if Obama was in favor of oxygen, conservatives would suffocate themselves…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:50:13am
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The Mountain That Blogs  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:50:41am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Heh. Ammendment

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:51:29am

re: #167 Maxwell Not So Smart

if Obama was in favor of oxygen, conservatives would suffocate themselves…

There is merit to this idea.

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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:51:35am

re: #169 The Mountain That Blogs

Heh. Ammendment

Ammo moment.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:52:34am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

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And of course the pandering asshat shows a picture of him shooting to make himself look bad ass but it really shows what a fucking sissy he really is. Really, Rand, how many classes on Constitutional Law have you taken, asshole?

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ipsos  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:53:22am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Flipped it back on just to see how much more I could take…

“This country is getting just so POLARIZED…my brother Jimmy’s probably out buying MOAR GUNZ right now…” - Meghan McCain

wharble garble Fast & Furious - Napolitano

*click*

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:54:19am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

And of course the pandering asshat shows a picture of him shooting to make himself look bad ass but it really shows what a fucking sissy he really is. Really, Rand, how many classes on Constitutional Law have you taken, asshole?

“My concealed carry class included shooting at the first and thirteenth amendments. That’s all the classes I need.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:55:15am

re: #173 ipsos

Flipped it back on just to see how much more I could take…

“This country is getting just so POLARIZED…my brother Jimmy’s probably out buying MOAR GUNZ right now…” - Meghan McCain

wharble garble Fast & Furious - Napolitano

*click*

Meagan gets at something I think a lot about, these people just want an excuse to gun hoard. I saw it in the Clinton years and I see ti now in the Obama years. And Meagan, you may watn to talk to your DAd aabout the polarizing of this country.

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jaunte  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:57:30am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

these people just want an excuse to gun hoard

The “threat” of a confiscation that never comes does seem like a convenient excuse to go blow some more money on a hobby.

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ipsos  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:57:59am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Meagan gets at something I think a lot about, these people just want an excuse to gun hoard. I saw it in the Clinton years and I see ti now in the Obama years. And Meagan, you may watn to talk to your DAd aabout the polarizing of this country.

Or she might want to have a long look in the mirror and ask whether taking Rupert’s money is really worth selling out to do it. For someone whose only claim to any kind of notability is the distance she put between her father’s batshittery and her own attempt at moderation, she’s sounding just as strident as the other generic Fox hosts on that couch right now.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:58:20am

Your leading GOP candidate ladies and gentlemen:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:58:22am

re: #176 jaunte

The “threat” of a confiscation that never comes does seem like a convenient excuse to go blow some more money on a hobby.

As I said, I saw it in the Clinton years too. It makes the honchos in the gun industry very wealthy men.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:58:59am

and the whining continues from the usual suspects:

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:59:19am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I’m tired of Republican lies. They talk about “Oh let’s prevent mentally ill people from getting guns.” POTUS says okay how about background checks? And they flip their shit. Republicans repeatedly show in my eyes that they don’t care about victims of gun violence. Sure they offer prayers but prayer is hollow as hell when you’re in a position of political power to impact change.

The whole “mental illness” canard is, in that grand tradition, a way for wingnuts to just avoid addressing the real issue. The mentally ill are more likely to be victims of violence than engage in it, which makes portraying it as a leading cause if not the leading cause of gun violence utter bunk.

What’s worse is they want to narrow and widen their focus based solely on the solution proposed, wanting to narrow things down to mass shootings to insist mental illness is an issue, but broaden to all gun violence to argue that going after the weapons favored by mass shooters won’t matter because they’re not a major contributor to gun-related incidents.

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:59:31am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Mike Rogers also said on CNN that Republicans have a bill that addresses mental health, but Obama hasn’t been nice so argle bargle.

They say Obama plays the blame game, damn, they are masters at it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 9:59:31am

re: #177 ipsos

Or she might want to have a long look in the mirror and ask whether taking Rupert’s money is really worth selling out to do it. For someone whose only claim to any kind of notability is the distance she put between her father’s batshittery and her own attempt at moderation, she’s sounding just as strident as the other generic Fox hosts on that couch right now.

That oto. She’s capable of being a reasonable person which makes this all the more pathetic.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:00:35am

re: #178 Ace-o-aces

Trump. What an asshat.

There’s a scene between Jackson and Bruce Dern in The Hateful Eight - and for those of you who’ve seen it, you know what I’m talking about - that I’d say is some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard. And Jackson’s delivery…..just damn. Perfect.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:00:46am

re: #182 Jenner7

Mike Rogers also said on CNN that Republicans have a bill that addresses mental health, but Obama hasn’t been nice so argle bargle.

They say Obama plays the blame game, damn, they are masters at it.

They’re pathetic. Obama ahsn’t been nice? Well Mike, your party and candiates are filled with people who deny his love of this country for fuck sake so no he doesn’t nor should he be “nice” to your pathetic party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:01:57am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:02:39am

You know how wingnuts like to say,”We don’t need new gun laws! We just need to enforce the ones we have!”

The President just called their bluff. There is nothing in his executive actions that takes anyone’s gun away, or removes anyone’s right to own or ability to obtain a gun IF they can legally own one. Not. One. Thing.

Remember that when someone tries to babble at you about how “Obama’s takin’ muh gunz!!!”

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:04:22am

re: #152 makeitstop

Twitter would absolutely tank. One big tl;dr

Yeah, isn’t that called Facebook?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:04:47am

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, isn’t that called Facebook?

Drops mic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:05:50am
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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:06:10am
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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:06:51am

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, isn’t that called Facebook?

I tried to make a joke about implementing the world wide web through twitter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:07:47am

pretty much.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:08:21am
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Tigger2  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:09:49am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the whining continues from the usual suspects:

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:09:59am

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

You know how wingnuts like to say,”We don’t need new gun laws! We just need to enforce the ones we have!”

The President just called their bluff. There is nothing in his executive actions that takes anyone’s gun away, or removes anyone’s right to own or ability to obtain a gun IF they can legally own one. Not. One. Thing.

Remember that when someone tries to babble at you about how “Obama’s takin’ muh gunz!!!”

The problem with that whole “enforce the laws” mantra is that it totally clashes with their other one, which is “there’s too many restrictions on gun ownership!!!” So if one can overcome the contradiction in their head long enough to name a law that they feels could address gun violence if enforced, another will quickly pop up to scream that that law is keeping “law-abiding citizens” from buying/owning guns.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:10:37am

What’s Donald’s beef against MSM? They’re giving away FREE AIR TIME to broadcast all his shit and attentioned him into first place.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:11:03am
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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:11:51am

I think Obama should make a speech in favor of food, water and air.

Problem solved.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:11:53am
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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:12:48am

Patridiots.

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:13:46am

re: #201 Nyet

Patridiots.

For the win!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:14:08am
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WhatEVs  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:14:49am

Am I a bad person for finding this really funny?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:15:28am

re: #108 Ace-o-aces

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He’s fucking stupid if he buys this weekend. They’re going to price-gouge the shit out of him, and everybody else.

THERE COMIN TER TAKE AR AR-15S!!!11

…Prices will probably jump 15-20% on everything that goes bang for the next month or so. THANKS, OBAMA :P

I was planning on consolidating my handgun “collection” this month - sell two, buy one, and go single caliber (.45) - but I definitely won’t do it now. I’m not interested in paying another $150 in Freakout Tax.

Edit: Anybody upset about background checks is a goddamned liar. They’ve been the norm for decades, expanding and updating a pre-existing system is not even close to an infringement, and everybody knows it. Anybody upset about this is either ignorant or a liar. Period, full stop.

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WhatEVs  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:18:55am

If I have to even see a 10k Trump tirade on Twitter I’m giving up my account. It’s not like I don’t see BS from outlets like the Daily Caller - not a RT, and I certainly don’t follow them, but there they are, in my TL taking up oxygen.

10k characters? Just say no.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:21:07am

re: #206 WhatEVs

I assume it will be a “read more” kind of thing, so I actually welcome it. Crnt twtr frmt 2 rstrctv.

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Targetpractice  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:21:39am

re: #205 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s fucking stupid if he buys this weekend. They’re going to price-gouge the shit out of him, and everybody else.

THERE COMIN TER TAKE AR AR-15S!!!11

…Prices will probably jump 15-20% on everything that goes bang for the next month or so. THANKS, OBAMA :P

I was planning on consolidating my handgun “collection” this month - sell two, buy one, and go single caliber (.45) - but I definitely won’t do it now. I’m not interested in paying another $150 in Freakout Tax.

Time for the monthly “OBAMA’S COMIN’ 4 YUR GUNS!!!” sale.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:21:43am

re: #204 WhatEVs

Am I a bad person for finding this really funny?

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I don’t go to addictinginfo because their shit ads sneak past the ad blocker.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:22:03am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh look!

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:23:09am

re: #204 WhatEVs

Am I a bad person for finding this really funny?

It would be irresponsible not to speculate! Heh.

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wrenchwench  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:23:18am

I wish Obama would give a ‘Bicycle Control’ speech. Sales could use a boost.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:23:56am

re: #212 wrenchwench

I wish Obama would give a ‘Bicycle Control’ speech. Sales could use a boost.

Haha. The only thing stopping a bad guy on a bike is a good guy on a bike.

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darthstar  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:26:45am
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darthstar  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:27:43am

re: #212 wrenchwench

I wish Obama would give a ‘Bicycle Control’ speech. Sales could use a boost.

When bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws and Jehovah’s Witnesses will have bicycles.

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ObserverArt  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:27:58am

re: #212 wrenchwench

I wish Obama would give a ‘Bicycle Control’ speech. Sales could use a boost.

Or a clampdown on graphic artists. I certainly can use the damn work. Sigh.

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ObserverArt  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:28:59am

re: #214 darthstar

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Are you sure they actually have dicks, or are they just being dicks?

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wrenchwench  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:29:54am

re: #215 darthstar

When bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws and Jehovah’s Witnesses will have bicycles.

It’s the Mormon Missionaries who ride. Black tie, white shirt, and everything. Jehovah’s Witnesses get a ride at least to the neighborhood they’re going to work in.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #216 ObserverArt

Or a clampdown on graphic artists. I certainly can use the damn work. Sigh.

Time to regulate researchers.

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WhatEVs  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:30:54am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t go to addictinginfo because their shit ads sneak past the ad blocker.

I’m on my phone and I installed three content blockers. Very little gets by them. God bless ad blockers.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:31:33am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

What’s Donald’s beef against MSM? They’re giving away FREE AIR TIME to broadcast all his shit and attentioned him into first place.

How presidential very leadership.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:31:39am

What in the utter fuck is Dana going on about? The pardons were for non-violent mandatory drug convictions.

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wrenchwench  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:32:55am

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

What in the utter fuck is Dana going on about? The pardons were for non-violent mandatory drug convictions.

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30% truth is enough for Dana. More than that and she gets the bends.

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Jenner7  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:32:58am
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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:33:15am

re: #214 darthstar

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Unintended disclosure, much?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:34:10am

re: #58 Belafon

Or maybe they’re worried they’ll find out they’re mentally ill.

They already know.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:34:28am

re: #45 Tigger2

]Ben Shapiro ✔ @benshapiro
I look forward to buying a rifle and tons of ammo this weekend.

Hey, Ben, I know someone who will give you a rifle and tons of ammo for free. Nifty clothes too. See your local Army or Marine Corps recruiter.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:36:53am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel

Hey, Ben, I know someone who will give you a rifle and tons of ammo for free. Nifty clothes too. See your local Army or Marine Corps recruiter.

Haha, boom.

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Belafon  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:37:25am

re: #225 unproven innocence

Unintended disclosure, much?

Some of us don’t need to compensate.

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makeitstop  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:38:13am

re: #216 ObserverArt

Or a clampdown on graphic artists. I certainly can use the damn work. Sigh.

I’ll take a heartfelt ‘guitar control’ speech. Gettin’ itchy for something new over here. :)

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lawhawk  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:40:38am

Someone should check to see if GOPers have had all emotions other than fear and anger forcibly removed through rectal cranial inversion therapy.

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Kragar  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:40:42am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel

Hey, Ben, I know someone who will give you a rifle and tons of ammo for free. Nifty clothes too. See your local Army or Marine Corps recruiter.

Ben would hate it. They take firearms safety too seriously for your average gun nutter.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:41:38am

re: #204 WhatEVs

Am I a bad person for finding this really funny?

Not at all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:41:47am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel

Hey, Ben, I know someone who will give you a rifle and tons of ammo for free. Nifty clothes too. See your local Army or Marine Corps recruiter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:41:48am

re: #232 Kragar

Ben would hate it. They take firearms safety too seriously for your average gun nutter.

And they do a background check before turning you loose with all that ordnance…

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wrenchwench  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:42:20am
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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:43:09am

re: #231 lawhawk

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Someone should check to see if GOPers have had all emotions other than fear and anger forcibly removed through rectal cranial inversion therapy.

Someone should check Tantaros’ head and see if there is a brain in there. #superstupid

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:44:15am

re: #215 darthstar

When bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws and Jehovah’s Witnesses will have bicycles.

And Mormons, don’t forget the Mormons.

Ok, re: #218 wrenchwench beat me to it.

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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:45:45am

re: #238 Le Lapin Tueur

And Mormons, don’t forget the Mormons.

And circus people…

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blueraven  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:47:40am
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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:48:19am

re: #215 darthstar

When bicycles are outlawed, only outlaws and Jehovah’s Witnesses will have bicycles.

Just put training wheels on ‘em and you’re good to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:51:18am

You probably already know that an armed gang has taken over a federal building at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in southeastern Oregon. According to Ammond Bundy, one of the leaders of the group, the so-called “militia men” are protesting the federal government’s “taking of people’s land and resources.”

By “people,” Bundy means ranchers. Bundy claims that his protest was spurred by the sentencing of two local ranchers to five years in prison for setting fire to federal land.

But long before Ammond Bundy and his friends arrived, the Paiute people had lived in the Malheur Basin for thousands of years. The process by which natives were dispossessed of their homeland follows a pattern that took place all across the West: dehumanization, pillaging, war, murder, theft, and rip-offs.

Here’s the Burns Paiute Tribe’s account of how ranchers took lands and resources from the Paiute, who now maintain a reservation in Harney County:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:55:32am
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darthstar  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:57:12am

It’s hard to think these kinds of things are intentional.

Sad as it is, the gallows humorist in me still tries to rear his head.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:58:31am

Somebody tell Dana that trending hashtags get flooded by all kinds of spammers, there are no background checks before posting to a hashtag.

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unproven innocence  Jan 5, 2016 • 10:59:18am

re: #244 darthstar

It’s hard to think these kinds of things are intentional.

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Sad as it is, the gallows humorist in me still tries to rear his head.

They didn’t see it coming. /sorry about that

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Snarknado!  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:00:09am

re: #118 KGxvi

At the time it was written, and with the state of the country, it made sense. We did not have a standing army and had to rely on state militias, which were (and are still legally defined as) all able bodied men of a certain age. They were expected to bring their own guns when called into service.

Does it make much sense now? Given the changes in our culture, changes in technology, changes in how our society is organized, the way the Amendment is written (and more importantly interpreted) makes no sense.

Not to mention it was written at a time when loading a gun to fire one round was a long process….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:00:09am
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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:00:25am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

LOL, the antisemitism card in this context is a new low for Dana.

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sagehen  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:00:31am

re: #161 Nyet

Which is why it was a mistake from the start.

“From the start” would be when we had no standing army, no city police or sheriff’s department or highway patrol or telephones, when a significant percentage of people needed to kill a deer or a turkey or a couple of rabbits every week or they don’t eat, when a significant percentage of people lived 20 minutes from their nearest neighbor, Indians and bears and Canadians attacked on a pretty regular basis…

No, it was not a mistake from the start.

It’s only later interpretations that made it a problem.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:01:02am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody tell Dana that trending hashtags get flooded by all kinds of spammers, there are no background checks before posting to a hashtag.

Dana’s having a tough day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:01:43am

oh, Jeb, you eejit…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:02:13am

re: #249 Nyet

LOL, the antisemitism card in this context is a new low for Dana.

Some stupid white racist twerp with like 15 followers Tweeted anti-Semitic shit at her, so she claims that’s “typical” of everybody she doesn’t like.

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William Lewis  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:05:40am

re: #154 Nyet

The foolish assumption that giving “the people” the unrestricted access to arms will result in a well-regulated militia is, in fact, the core mistake of the 2nd amdt.

Actually, what results in a well regulated Militia is the actions of Congress - see the Militia Acts of 1792 for an understanding of just what the Founder’s intent was

en.wikipedia.org

In the aftermath of the English Civil War, the Founders did not want a standing army even though our revolution had proven the need for one; the utter failure of the militia as a military force during the revolution should have shown them better. It didn’t and the only times the milita would successfully be used was in the suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion and against some not very warlike Indian Tribes (Black Hawk’s War for ex) After that, the militias would fail militarily repeatedly nearly losing the War of 1812 and the Civil War for the US.

OTOH, looking the Mexican-American war fought mostly by the standing army in the service of the slave owners of Texas, were the Founders all that terribly wrong for wanting to avoid a standing army?

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:14:27am

re: #250 sagehen

“From the start” would be when we had no standing army, no city police or sheriff’s department or highway patrol or telephones, when a significant percentage of people needed to kill a deer or a turkey or a couple of rabbits every week or they don’t eat, when a significant percentage of people lived 20 minutes from their nearest neighbor, Indians and bears and Canadians attacked on a pretty regular basis…

No, it was not a mistake from the start.

It’s only later interpretations that made it a problem.

From the start there were people who had no business owning guns. So any amdt. whose sweeping language made it hard-to-impossible to institute a sound system of checks, when necessary, to prevent such people from owning guns was also a mistake from the start.

There surely were more responsible formulations that could have been made without taking away the guns of an average Joe defending himself from Indian-Canadian bearrabbits.

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Nyet  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:21:20am

re: #254 William Lewis

OTOH, looking the Mexican-American war fought mostly by the standing army in the service of the slave owners of Texas, were the Founders all that terribly wrong for wanting to avoid a standing army?

I hope you understand that that’s not the problem with the 2nd amdt. that was being pointed out.

The justification was the necessity of a well-regulated militia. The need for an “uninfringeable” right to bear arms does not follow from this justification.

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William Lewis  Jan 5, 2016 • 11:51:02am

re: #256 Nyet

I hope you understand that that’s not the problem with the 2nd amdt. that was being pointed out.

The justification was the necessity of a well-regulated militia. The need for an “uninfringeable” right to bear arms does not follow from this justification.

The way they viewed the design of the militia - against standing armies and seizure of privately held weapons during the English Civil War, it was seen as necessary. All of this is driven by the fear of the “New Model Army” at the command of someone they viewed (for right or wrong) the way 20th century people viewed the German Chancellor.

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meteor  Jan 5, 2016 • 12:40:06pm

I like birdees. What do these jerks have against birdees?

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WCBadger  Jan 5, 2016 • 12:55:39pm

Loesch and Shapiro keep flinging their feces. This is getting old.


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