Oregon Sheriff: Armed Occupiers Will Face Charges, Have Been Stalking BLM and USFWS Families

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Following up on last night’s report from the Guardian that officials were planning to cut off power to the domestic terrorists who’ve taken over the headquarters of Oregon’s Malheur Wildlife Refuge, Sheriff David Ward of Harney County said today that power has not been cut off at this point.

But Sheriff Ward also said the armed “constitutional patriots” are definitely going to face charges, and he urged community members not to support these idiots. A community meeting is planned for this afternoon.

“I think if one person gives them a Snickers bar, they’re going on national media and claiming that the community supports them,” he said.

“If you’re giving them support, you’re just prolonging the situation.”

The Sheriff also stated that for months, Ammon Bundy’s group of delusional sovereign citizens have been stalking members of the Bureau of Land Management and US Fish and Wildlife Service and their families, and photographing their homes — a very ominous piece of information indeed.

An audio file of the full interview with the sheriff is above.

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238 comments
1
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:31:52am

So what is the point of throwing the book at these guys if they can’t read it?

/

2
Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:33:59am

Apparently the sheriff also confirmed what a lot of us suspected, which is that there is no blockade and the nutters are free to come and go as they please. What’s the point of talking about charges if these assholes can vacate at a moment’s notice?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:36:59am

Reposting from downstairs:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:37:25am

I am certain that they have been ordered to leave and have not.

Good to see that nobody on the official side of this travesty is doing anything to escalate the situation. It only makes these goombahs look more pathetic.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:37:57am

I like the sheriff of Harney County much better than the sheriff of Douglas County (where the Roseburg shooting was).

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:38:13am

Oregon State Police seem to have a different view.

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allegro  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:38:37am

So they’ve been stealing from the people of the US for years, threaten federal agents with fucking snipers, stalk federal employees and their families, take over federal property in armed rebellion… aaaaand hold press conferences to share their grievances.

One wonders at times what armed white guys have to do to get arrested.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:39:24am

re: #5 wrenchwench

I like the sheriff of Harney County much better than the sheriff of Douglas County (where the Roseburg shooting was).

It says something about the number of shootings that I don’t recall which shooting the Roseburg shooting was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:41:35am

re: #6 Eric The Fruit Bat

Oregon State Police seem to have a different view.

So this is sorta like a kid packing his suitcase and threatening to run away from home and the parents just saying “How nice! Don’t forget to send us a postcard, sweetie!”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:42:37am

It’s in the police’s interest to let these nutbags believe they can leave any time they like.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:42:41am

Another clown has boarded the clown car==>

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:42:45am

re: #8 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It says something about the number of shootings that I don’t recall which shooting the Roseburg shooting was.

I’ve been having that problem as well. Link, re: Umpqua College shooting.

Good to know it’s not just my TBI. Bad to know the database is so large.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:43:31am

LOL is Gary hoping to pick up Lindsey Graham supporters?

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b.d.  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:43:34am

I will donate some snacks to that Sheriff’s department for them to eat in their cell.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:45:30am

re: #6 Eric The Fruit Bat

Oregon State Police seem to have a different view.

So, basically they are saying, ‘have fun on your little camp out. We don’t care what you do’

That’s gotta sting a little.

HA!

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:47:15am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

LOL is Gary hoping to pick up Lindsey Graham supporters?

He’s not running as a Republican this time. He wants Luap Dnar’s. Both of ‘em. Because America should be more like New Mexico!

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:47:38am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Another clown has boarded the clown

Sniker, chortle.

Give him the air time he deserves. IOWs, ignore him, please.

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Tigger2  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:49:05am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Another clown has boarded the clown car==>

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:49:39am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

It’s in the police’s interest to let these nutbags believe they can leave any time they like.

Short term yes, long term we don’t want these guys feeling emboldened. Not the guys there, not these pretend militias across rural states. Thin dividing line to be sure.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:50:13am

Ritzy sure seems to be quiet lately. He talked a lot of shit when he was stalking & harassing Muslims at their mosques. Now? Not so much—just his weepy yeehawdi video before going out there.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:51:42am

At some point they’re going to have to disperse to go home, and individuals will be easier to pick up.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:52:26am

Unless they all bunch up together under a tarp.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:52:35am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Another clown has boarded the clown car==>

“Gov. Gary Johnson.” I don’t think Gary has been a governor for 20 years or so. How very Libertarian for Gary to base his identity on a political office he held two decades ago.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:54:14am

It’s got to make Donald Trump absolutely furious that he’s missed out on three or four consecutive news cycles.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:55:15am

re: #23 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Gov. Gary Johnson.” I don’t think Gary has been a governor for 20 years or so. How very Libertarian for Gary to base his identity on a political office he held two decades ago.

13 years ago

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:56:33am

re: #22 jaunte

Unless they all bunch up together under a tarp.

Big bad militia boys spooning all night to keep warm.

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Jenner7  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:58:15am
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:58:17am

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

13 years ago

And just look at his legacy!

///laughs down the hall…

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:59:14am

re: #7 allegro

So they’ve been stealing from the people of the US for years, threaten federal agents with fucking snipers, stalk federal employees and their families, take over federal property in armed rebellion… aaaaand hold press conferences to share their grievances.

One wonders at times what armed white guys have to do to get arrested.

This is why anyone who says these guys are “losing” needs to get his head straight. These terrorists, insurrectionists, whatever you want to call them, are winning the right to spread their message to the masses, disrupt the lives of thousands of people, and are being treated like rock stars. A few people calling them names on Twitter- meaningless. These guys and their associated need to be punished!

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 10:59:50am

Charles Johnson,

He’s says they’ll prosecute them? Good. Let’s hope the officers do their jobs, and the people in charge don’t back down due to fear of their guns, like they did at the Bundy Ranch Standoff.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:01:51am

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

13 years ago

Ah, well, time flies.

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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:02:47am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:03:12am

I’m just waiting for Rage Furby’s award winning reporting on this Oregon situation….

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:03:32am

re: #29 Brian J.

This is why anyone who says these guys are “losing” needs to get his head straight. These terrorists, insurrectionists, whatever you want to call them, are winning the right to spread their message to the masses, disrupt the lives of thousands of people, and are being treated like rock stars. A few people calling them names on Twitter- meaningless. These guys and their associated need to be punished!

Boycott beef if you want to hurt them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:04:20am

and it’s time for their daily list of grievances:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:04:21am

re: #33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’m just waiting for Rage Furby’s award winning reporting on this Oregon situation….

Just as soon as he grifts enough money to hire a reporter & photographer while he is tied up in court.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:04:24am

re: #32 Kragar

No, the FEMA camps and total gun confiscations have to happen first.

/

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:05:09am
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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:06:24am

Its not just the Cliven Bundy Loser Posse, PeTA’s stupid continues to burn as well. They don’t seem to care about the fact the YallQueda is braking the law, and trying to intimidate the federal government into giving them what they want, just that they use animals for food.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:06:39am

And when it doesn’t happen inevitably, he’ll pat himself on the back for his heroic efforts. Cruz is a sociopath.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:07:53am

Ammon Bundy just said the Bureau of Land Management set those fires that the Hammond family was convicted for.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:08:04am

Ammon Bundy sounds as smart as Ryan Bundy looks.

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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:08:09am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:08:22am

Keep in mind when these people talk about “government” they’re not speaking the same language as other people. Government is everybody that they feel imposes on them: the media that reports what they don’t like, people that make them uncomfortable, other countries. It the general principal that informs the specific paranoid claims of the culture war. Which is why each civil rights struggle has immediately been attributed to alien influence (Black: Communists:: Women::Lesbians, Communists :: Gays:Satanists, Secular Humanists, Moon People, COBRA). This follows from they’re assumption that they’re uniquely moral and ethical…because the understand the True message of God, The Founding Fathers, etc.

Everybody is suspect: malicious, duped, or banal.

Since government are massive social control institutions, and there are real issues with surveillance and litigation, the invocation of “government” makes them sound grounded in some degree. But what they really want is just…compliance. A society that meets their demands.

They’re the Pharisees, not the Macabees.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:08:37am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

And when it doesn’t happen inevitably, he’ll pat himself on the back for his heroic efforts. Cruz is a sociopath.

Cruz prevented Jade Helm 15 didn’t he?

/

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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:09:09am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Ammon Bundy just said the Bureau of Land Management set those fires that the Hammond family was convicted for.

Whoa if true.
///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:09:25am

re: #39 CriticalDragon1177

The folks at PeTA also expect us to believe that Cats should be forced to become Vegans

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”
*cough*

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:10:29am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:11:38am

Even raccoons can learn

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:12:16am

Meanwhile, Chuck C. Johnson is stalking the headquarters of Twitter again.

Facebook Post

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:12:38am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Ammon Bundy just said the Bureau of Land Management set those fires that the Hammond family was convicted for.

So Ammon Bundy is a conspiracy theorist? Big surprise. ///

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:12:45am

The Bundy Bunch delusional behavior is a domestic threat.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:13:06am

At the press conference, Ammon Bundy just confirmed that @Ammon_Bundy is not him.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:13:26am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Chuck c. Johnson is stalking the headquarters of Twitter again.

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“What’s brown and sounds like a bell?”

“Dung!”

[Monty Python]

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:14:28am

Ammon Bundy implied he will go home “when the Hammonds are out of prison.”

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b.d.  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:14:37am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Chuck C. Johnson is stalking the headquarters of Twitter again.

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What a rebel!

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:14:50am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:15:13am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Chuck C. Johnson is stalking the headquarters of Twitter again.

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This is so pathetic. He’s compulsively hanging around outside their offices like a rejected boyfriend.

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:15:47am

re: #7 allegro

So they’ve been stealing from the people of the US for years, threaten federal agents with fucking snipers, stalk federal employees and their families, take over federal property in armed rebellion… aaaaand hold press conferences to share their grievances.

One wonders at times what armed white guys have to do to get arrested.

Have a skin tone darker than a paper bag.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:16:41am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

How trailer trash-like-a fucking cigarette.

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WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:17:00am

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

Even raccoons can learn

[Embedded content]

Ya know, watching that stuff melt and seeing the little raccoon looking for his stash made me sniffle. I wanted to feed him.

And yes, I’m a total sap.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:17:32am

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”
*cough*

We need the video for that one.

Vegetarian Lion

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:17:37am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Ammon Bundy just said the Bureau of Land Management set those fires that the Hammond family was convicted for.

So Bundy’s for the “bitch set [them] up!” gambit? What a fucking moron.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:17:47am

re: #60 Eric The Fruit Bat

How trailer trash-like-a fucking cigarette.

Bet he stomps it out on the sidewalk, too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:18:13am

re: #62 Dr Lizardo

We need the video for that one.

What? You don’t believe me?

/////

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:18:35am

re: #62 Dr Lizardo

LOL!

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Nyet  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:18:36am

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

The lesson: never wash your food.

Congrats, humins, you’ve destroyed this animal.

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:19:54am

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #66 CriticalDragon1177

I just had to post it. When I first saw that, years and years ago, I damn near laughed myself into a hernia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:20:23am

re: #67 Nyet

The lesson: never wash your food.

Congrats, humins, you’ve destroyed this animal.

/

Why are they even giving it cotton candy? That can’t be good for it.

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majii  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:20:39am

re: #20 CuriousLurker

I wouldn’t be saying much at this point, either, if I were him. He made a laughingstock of himself with the “video message” to his family. He thought his stunt would make him more sympathetic, but what it did was make him look like the attention-seeking clown he really is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:21:16am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

I just had to post it. When I first saw that, years and years ago, I damn near laughed myself into a hernia.

The cough is the kicker.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:22:22am

re: #70 majii

I wouldn’t be saying much at this point, either, if I were him. He made a laughingstock of himself with the “video message” to his family. He thought his stunt would make him more sympathetic, but what it did was make him look like the attention-seeking clown he really is.

He thought his stunt would make him MORE SYMPATHETIC, but it just made him SEEM MORE PATHETIC!!

Padumpum.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:22:34am

re: #20 CuriousLurker

Ritzy sure seems to be quiet lately. He talked a lot of shit when he was stalking & harassing Muslims at their mosques. Now? Not so much—just his weepy yeehawdi video before going out there.

Tyrannical Government Denies Patrito His Martyr Cookie

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Nyet  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:22:53am

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

Why do people put cucumbers near their cats? Coz they saw it on the intertubes. This “give it a sugar cube/sugar cotton” trick seems to be mildly popular.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:23:12am

YallQeada supporters continue to show us that they have no respect for the law or what the constitution actually says!




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Jayleia  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:23:31am

The Chilean Law-Talking Girl: [1/5/2016 9:55:49 AM]: that horrible moment that you realizer you’ll do better in a militia situation without eevr having touched a gun, than these gun nuts

Me [1/5/2016 10:25:33 AM]: See, that’s the big problem with them, they have all the sophistication of THIS Zardoz Speaks and the gun is the first and only solution they have, with NO FUCKING TACTICS, OPERATIONAL PLAN OR STRATEGY!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:24:48am

Wow such presidential very leadership

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EPR-radar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:25:59am

re: #7 allegro

So they’ve been stealing from the people of the US for years, threaten federal agents with fucking snipers, stalk federal employees and their families, take over federal property in armed rebellion… aaaaand hold press conferences to share their grievances.

One wonders at times what armed white guys have to do to get arrested.

A military attack on a Federal Fort was what it took the last time around.

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Nyet  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:26:49am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

He’s just sour his favorite personage in the Hateful Eight was killed by Jackson.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:27:30am
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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:28:35am

re: #76 Jayleia

You’re ignoring the fact that the Bundy Loser Posse / YallQeada are typical red blooded American males, which means they love sex.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:29:31am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two more guys pulled in last night. They brought guns.

And bullets.

And a half-eaten Family Sized bag of Cheetos.

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Tigger2  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:29:47am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:29:51am

re: #75 CriticalDragon1177

The leader of the Oregon armed protest hates the feds—except that time he needed a six-figure loan.

He wouldn’t understand this as hypocrisy, just taking advantage of any benefit available to help himself and his relatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:30:41am

re: #83 Tigger2

Maybe they can use the elephant to replace that weepy Italian guy in the commercial.
//

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:30:42am
Ammon Bundy manages a valet car fleet in Phoenix.

Like a true cowboy.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:31:25am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Chuck C. Johnson is stalking the headquarters of Twitter again.

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Yes, he lied about sending a reporter and photographer to Oregon. As usual he spent the money on himself to chow down at Alioto’s!

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:32:10am
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:32:26am

re: #86 jaunte

Like a true cowboy.

He must have put the fleet out to pasture for the time being.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:32:29am


Probably the latter. These guys are pathetic losers, and they probably don’t know what they would need to stand against the federal government, once they get really serious.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:32:45am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ammon Bundy says at news conference “there is a time to go home.” Hammonds out of prison, land transfers done are ingredients to stop.
— Les Zaitz

And we also want Obama to resign and be impeached. Biden resigns and is impeached. Speaker Ryan sworn in as president. Ryan impeached, etc.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:33:29am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

“And we also want an airplane, no cops. $1,000,000 dollars.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:34:28am

So yesterday I was confused by James Woods’ declaration on Twitter that he now felt the need to buy a gun, because of Obama’s speech.

Then I realized - Guns & Bullets serve the same purpose for wingnuts that Ben & Jerry’s serve for the rest of us - when somebody makes you feel bad, you have to go buy some.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:34:36am

re: #92 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“And we also want an airplane, no cops. $1,000,000 dollars.”

Did he have his pinky at the corner of his mouth?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:35:00am

Can someone who lives in LA identify this street? It looks like Beverly Glen but I don’t live in LA so I’m not sure==>

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Tigger2  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:37:03am
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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:37:25am

re: #91 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And we also want Obama to resign and be impeached. Biden resigns and is impeached. Speaker Ryan sworn in as president. Ryan impeached, etc.

Reg: “We’re giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State, and if he doesn’t agree immediately, we execute her.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:37:48am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

So yesterday I was confused by James Woods’ declaration on Twitter that he now felt the need to buy a gun, because of Obama’s speech.

Then I realized - Guns & Bullets serve the same purpose for wingnuts that Ben & Jerry’s serve for the rest of us - when somebody makes you feel bad, you have to go buy some.

Because Obama wants non-licensed gun sellers to be licensed? That prompted Woods’ gun run?

/

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:38:09am

re: #96 Tigger2

Which means it’s a failure and must be repealed.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:38:53am

OT: Renowned conductor/composer and enfant terrible Pierre Boulez passes away, age 90.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:39:14am
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nines09  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:40:40am

After the power gets turned off and the gas runs out, will they snuggle? Or maybe fire off a few rounds and hug the barrel? Obama is weak. Putin would have sent in a MI-24 Hind already. //

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b_sharp  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:42:57am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

So yesterday I was confused by James Woods’ declaration on Twitter that he now felt the need to buy a gun, because of Obama’s speech.

Then I realized - Guns & Bullets serve the same purpose for wingnuts that Ben & Jerry’s serve for the rest of us - when somebody makes you feel bad, you have to go buy some.

I’d rather eat ice cream than a bullet.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:43:02am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

PETA needs more protein. Their brains are obviously starved.

“Hey guys, all we got left is vegan jerky. Eat up. When we get done here, steak on my dad’s ranch!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:43:36am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

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I don’t believe she’s a real PETA activist, she’s not nekkid.

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b_sharp  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:43:51am

re: #98 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because Obama wants non-licensed gun sellers to be licensed? That prompted Woods’ gun run?

/

Is Woods afraid he’ll be one of those prevented from owning a gun? A few skeletons in his closet?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:44:24am

Re the militia stalking of BLM /FWS employees: If you spend much time in the Threeper online asylums, you will find segments that define any “.gov” employees and their families as enemies of freedom and fair game for “4th generation warfare”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:44:32am

re: #88 lawhawk

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:45:06am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Can someone who lives in LA identify this street? It looks like Beverly Glen but I don’t live in LA so I’m not sure==>

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My guess, (by the craft style house) is in the mountains up above Glendale/Pasadena. Montrose near La Crescenta/Tujunga. I would not bet more than a cup of coffee though.

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BeachDem  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:45:40am

re: #19 Great White Snark

Short term yes, long term we don’t want these guys feeling emboldened. Not the guys there, not these pretend militias across rural states. Thin dividing line to be sure.

And, just as suspected:

But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It’s a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community…

“They’re starting to change their tune out there. The community has settled down, the dust is settling and they’re starting to support these guys — by the dozens if not more,” Soper said.

He said he is returning to Burns, having had gone home after the protest, in order to sit down with the community.

“They’re asking me, how can we support these guys without physically being there with them and that’s an interesting scenario,” Soper said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Yep, the media feeds the fire; law enforcement does nothing to deter them, and support builds among the other nutters.

Spit.

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Jayleia  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:45:47am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

Normally, if someone is vegetarian/vegan, I will tend to refrain from eating meat around them out of respect…PETA members…not so much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:45:50am

re: #98 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because Obama wants non-licensed gun sellers to be licensed? That prompted Woods’ gun run?

/

I think it was because Obama spoke, and the topic was guns. Doesn’t matter what he said - the bell rang and the dog salivated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:46:14am

I really hope Samuel L Jackson rips Donald Trump severely for that attack.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:47:03am

re: #103 b_sharp

I’d rather eat ice cream than a bullet.

They’ll both kill you. One will take decades of enjoyment to do it, though.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:47:26am

re: #111 Jayleia

Normally, if someone is vegetarian/vegan, I will tend to refrain from eating meat around them out of respect…PETA members…not so much.

Is it unethical to eat PETA members? Just asking for some friends in the woods.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:47:29am

re: #39 CriticalDragon1177

Its not just the Cliven Bundy Loser Posse, PeTA’s stupid continues to burn as well. They don’t seem to care about the fact the YallQueda is braking the law, and trying to intimidate the federal government into giving them what they want, just that they use animals for food.

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I predicted that PETA would involve itself in this. The weather obviously prevents their usual bare-ass display, but I knew they would come up with something crazy.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:48:12am

re: #96 Tigger2


Lies! Dem goberment programs never work. Dem lies, doctors are lying just like the scientists when they say global warmen is real! Besides Obama is a Marxist Muslim! He’s also black, so can’t do anything right, otherwise we would have to admit that good white Christians who wear white sheets is wrong!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:48:32am

Also, in the lastest from the “stuff you totally saw coming” Dept…

OBAMA IS THE GREATEST GUN SALESMAN IN AMERICA

Obama’s call for more gun control has accelerated the recent surge in gun sales that began last month with the mass shooting in San Bernardino that claimed 14 lives.

“Tremendous, literally tremendous,” said Bob Irwin, owner of The Gun Store in Las Vegas, shortly after Obama delivered a speech on expanding background checks. “It started with San Bernardino but Obama has just added to it. We can’t keep guns in stock. Some of our major wholesalers are basically out of all the stuff that sells.”

Irwin said his gun sales have doubled in the last two weeks. He said 90% of all sales are handguns “that they can grab with one hand and defend themselves,” but he has also “sold a few of what they call assault rifles.”

He believes the “absolute random” nature of the San Bernardino massacre is what freaked people out and drove them to buy guns for self-protection.

“Everybody’s vulnerable,” said Irwin. “You didn’t have to go the wrong place at the wrong time to get murdered,” he said. “It was like the Paris attacks, but here [in the U.S.]”

Sigh…This country is so fucked.

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Jayleia  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:49:27am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, you were using the “///” sarc marks, therefore, it does not count as an actual prediction…though it would be creepily accurate if it was…

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:49:33am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t believe she’s a real PETA activist, she’s not nekkid.

She’s probably too scare of being harassed by the manly men of YallQeada!

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BeachDem  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:49:59am

re: #25 FormerDirtDart

13 years ago

So a bit longer than the 9 years ago when Huckabee and Romney were governors.

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Kryptik  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:51:44am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, in the lastest from the “stuff you totally saw coming” Dept…

OBAMA IS THE GREATEST GUN SALESMAN IN AMERICA

Sigh…This country is so fucked.

Hate, fear, and spite are still the most powerful agents in politics here, by far. That’s why I continue to worry about the election, because if my personal interactions are anything to go by, this country is far more hateful and racist than even we understand it, and just may elect Trump simply to spite Dems and “those people”.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:51:46am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

I predicted that PETA would involve itself in this. The weather obviously prevents their usual bare-ass display, but I knew they would come up with something crazy.

And it sounds like you were right!

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WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:53:51am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

How can we be such an industrious, advanced country when so many Americans are as dumb as ferns?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:54:29am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

I predicted that PETA would involve itself in this. The weather obviously prevents their usual bare-ass display, but I knew they would come up with something crazy.

Hey, if they were REALLY committed, they’d risk dying of indecent exposure!
//

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:54:31am

That fake Ammon Bundy Twitter account is now admitting he was just trolling. And it’s apparently a racist right wing shitposter.

twitter.com

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:54:33am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

But he’s coming to take your guns away! Right after he says something that will not adversely affect anyone’s legal ownership of firearms. We already have background checks, and he wants to see them expanded - and reduce the wait time, especially during peak periods. During peak periods, it’s possible that checks could be done and if the 3 day window passes, they’re automatically passed, allowing the possibility that someone could slip through the cracks. He’s adding staff to make that less likely.

On and on it goes, and the NRA knows that the best way to goose sales is to lie and deceive people into thinking that this is somehow a gun grab.

It isn’t. Never was. But the NRA doesn’t care about facts. They only care about their bottom line, even as people keep burying friends and loved ones in a steady drumbeat due to firearms fatalities, and the costs of treating the firearms injuries is huge.

Oh, and you’re now seeing some folks complaining that the mental health checks might keep veterans from getting firearms because of PTSD or other mental health checks.

As if that is actually bad? If someone is untreated they could end up doing harm to themselves or others. Heck, even if a veteran is in treatment for a mental illness, they could do harm to themselves or others. So these folks put the firearm ahead of being sure that the person seeking the gun is capable of using it responsibly.

We owe our veterans that much. And we owe them far more in mental health treatment and support than we’ve given them over the years. They form a disproportionate number of homeless across the country, and we don’t do nearly enough to help them. But these right wingers think that the talismanic properties of the gun solves all.

Where’s Zardoz.

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coin operated  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:55:49am

Um…didn’t post in a dead thread, but somebody wanted to know how a “controlled burn” gets out of hand. I was on a Hot Shot crew in Oregon for a few seasons (a more-robust 20-something back then) and participated in a number of control burns.

Even for experienced crews, controlled burns can get out of hand. There are a number of factors involved in planning a burn….wind speed, temps, humidity, density of fuel (anything that can burn is considered fuel), terrain (fire burns 16x faster uphill than on level ground). These factors can change drastically from minute to minute, especially if you are burning uphill.

The difference is…a good crew also has a contingency plan. The Hammonds…not so much.

The first arson (to cover up poaching) is not what chaffs my ass…it’s the second one. The Hammonds touched off another ‘back burn’ with active fire crews between them and the main fire, and they did it against a very specific ‘no-burn’ order in effect for the area and without informing anyone working the main fire. In other words, callous disregard for human life.

Fuck ‘em…they deserve the full five years.

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:57:50am

re: #110 BeachDem

And, just as suspected:

But with the occupiers, led by Ammon Bundy, commanding national media attention for much of the week, their once-skeptical fellow travelers have started to come around.

It’s a subtle shift, but in interviews this week some of the most strident extremist critics of the move on the refuge have conceded that the publicity the action has produced is helpful to their cause. And some of the critics have even gotten in on the action, claiming to act as back channels for communications among the armed occupiers, law enforcement, and the local community…

“They’re starting to change their tune out there. The community has settled down, the dust is settling and they’re starting to support these guys — by the dozens if not more,” Soper said.

He said he is returning to Burns, having had gone home after the protest, in order to sit down with the community.

“They’re asking me, how can we support these guys without physically being there with them and that’s an interesting scenario,” Soper said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Yep, the media feeds the fire; law enforcement does nothing to deter them, and support builds among the other nutters.

Spit.

I keep trying to express how I feel about this, but anymore, the frustration I feel at seeing GOP-created right wing terrorists getting away with this shit all time? Sends my brain to some really dark places that probably and rightly shouldn’t be expressed on a civil forum.

But, seriously, I’ve fucking had it with this country’s willingness to let white terrorists do whatever the fuck they want. You literally have to blow up a fucking federal building before the government will do something about it.

And while I’m ranting: I’m adding open carry ammosexuals into the white terrorist camp. There’s only one reason to walk around a fucking ShopRite with your kids while armed to the teeth: to frighten normal, non-insane people.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:57:57am

re: #106 b_sharp

Is Woods afraid he’ll be one of those prevented from owning a gun? A few skeletons in his closet?

Yeah, he’s worried about that ‘mentally disturbed’ thing.

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:58:57am

re: #127 lawhawk

Where’s Zardoz.

Y’all Queda wearing red leather thongs.

Thanks a lot for that image.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:59:44am
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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:59:57am

re: #130 makeitstop

Yeah, he’s worried about that ‘mentally disturbed’ thing.

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unproven innocence  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:00:04pm

Not necessarily off-topic, recent news events may be why authorities have not been quick to cut off power:
First known hacker-caused power outage signals troubling escalation
Highly destructive malware creates “destructive events” at 3 Ukrainian substations.

by Dan Goodin - Jan 4, 2016

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dholmes32  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:00:19pm

Alabama chief justice Roy Moore is again telling probate judges that, as a ministerial matter, they need to stop issuing same-sex marriage licenses and support Alabama’s (unconstitutional) Sanctity of Marriage Act.

al.com

Ofcourse, this is sovereign citizen nuttery to think the Supreme Court rulings aren’t the law of the land.

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:00:23pm

re: #39 CriticalDragon1177

Seriously…. vegan jerky…. That’s like vegan bacon.

Ron Swanson on Vegan Bacon

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:01:03pm

re: #128 coin operated

Um…didn’t post in a dead thread, but somebody wanted to know how a “controlled burn” gets out of hand. I was on a Hot Shot crew in Oregon for a few seasons (a more-robust 20-something back then) and participated in a number of control burns.

Even for experienced crews, controlled burns can get out of hand. There are a number of factors involved in planning a burn….wind speed, temps, humidity, density of fuel (anything that can burn is considered fuel), terrain (fire burns 16x faster uphill than on level ground). These factors can change drastically from minute to minute, especially if you are burning uphill.

The difference is…a good crew also has a contingency plan. The Hammonds…not so much.

The first arson (to cover up poaching) is not what chaffs my ass…it’s the second one. The Hammonds touched off another ‘back burn’ with active fire crews between them and the main fire, and they did it against a very specific ‘no-burn’ order in effect for the area and without informing anyone working the main fire. In other words, callous disregard for human life.

Fuck ‘em…they deserve the full five years.

I think they stopped calling them ‘controlled’ and started calling them ‘prescribed’ after the Cerro Grande fire in Los Alamos in 2000.

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:01:29pm

re: #129 Mattand

I keep trying to express how I feel about this, but anymore, the frustration I feel at seeing GOP-created right wing terrorists getting away with this shit all time? Sends my brain to some really dark places that probably and rightly shouldn’t be expressed on a civil forum.

But, seriously, I’ve fucking had it with this country’s willingness to let white terrorists do whatever the fuck they want. You literally have to blow up a fucking federal building before the government will do something about it.

And while I’m ranting: I’m adding open carry ammosexuals into the white terrorist camp. There’s only one reason to walk around a fucking ShopRite with your kids while armed to the teeth: to frighten normal, non-insane people.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

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coin operated  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:02:53pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

Damn…showing my age. My time in the USFS ended in ‘86.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:03:18pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

THAT would legitimize them. What’s wrong with a beef boycott?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:03:20pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

Don’t confuse the FBI with Mayor Rizzo’s Philadelphia cops.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:03:22pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:03:45pm

re: #139 coin operated

Damn…showing my age. My time in the USFS ended in ‘86.

Thank you for your service.

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:05:58pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

LOL, I’ll try to be nicer to these brave freedom fighters in the future. My country is counting on it!!!

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CriticalDragon1177  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:06:04pm

re: #136 Jack Burton

Seriously…. vegan jerky…. That’s like vegan bacon.

Ron Swanson on Vegan Bacon

Video

LOL!

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:06:47pm

re: #138 Brian J.

You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them

Sure, everyone lives to be mocked.

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:07:15pm

re: #144 Mattand

LOL, I’ll try to be nicer to these brave freedom fighters in the future. My country is counting on it!!!

I’m not saying that they deserve respect; I’m saying that insulting them and inventing memes is pointless and accomplishes nothing. Ignore their existence to the greatest extent possible, and eradicate them at the first opportunity.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:07:21pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

Think of how much Ruby Ridge and Waco totally delegitimized wackos.

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BeachDem  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:08:29pm

re: #129 Mattand

I keep trying to express how I feel about this, but anymore, the frustration I feel at seeing GOP-created right wing terrorists getting away with this shit all time? Sends my brain to some really dark places that probably and rightly shouldn’t be expressed on a civil forum.

But, seriously, I’ve fucking had it with this country’s willingness to let white terrorists do whatever the fuck they want. You literally have to blow up a fucking federal building before the government will do something about it.

And while I’m ranting: I’m adding open carry ammosexuals into the white terrorist camp. There’s only one reason to walk around a fucking ShopRite with your kids while armed to the teeth: to frighten normal, non-insane people.

Again, I think Charlie Pierce said it very well:

This is an act of armed sedition against lawful authority…These are men with guns who have declared themselves outside the law. These are men with guns who have taken something that belongs to all of us. These are traitors and thieves who got away with this dangerous nonsense once, and have been encouraged to get away with it again…Ammon Bundy and his brothers should have been thrown in jail after they gathered themselves in rebellion the first time.

This is another step down the road that leads to the broken shell of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:08:36pm

My daughter’s DVR recorded this and she says she is confused.

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:00pm

re: #148 Belafon

Think of how much Ruby Ridge and Waco totally delegitimized wackos.

How many more such incidents did we see? Two- OK City and the Montana Freemen. Then that was it: the militias died out. We’ve already seen multiple militia flareups over the last two years. They want to be treated as soldiers fighting against the American government. Time to show them what that means.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:28pm

re: #146 jaunte

Sure, everyone lives to be mocked.

So far, they’ve done nothing likely to incur the death penalty. OTOH, putting “Vanilla ISIS” in the national vocabulary is worth a trashed birdwatching facility.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:41pm

Stolen from Facebook. I sensed that some lizards would appreciate.

Guitars
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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:51pm

re: #147 Brian J.

I’m not saying that they deserve respect; I’m saying that insulting them and inventing memes is pointless and accomplishes nothing. Ignore their existence to the greatest extent possible, and eradicate them at the first opportunity.

Gotta disagree with you on that, by paraphrasing the owner of this blog: ignoring these kind of people lets them fester like an unchecked fungus. That’s Charles’ response when people get sick of hearing about CCJ, and I think that applies here.

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Tigger2  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:09:58pm

re: #127 lawhawk

I had a frustrating exchange with a friend a few years back. He’s against universal background checks, but in favor of laws that prohibit some folks owning guns. I pointed out that without the background checks, the prohibitions are meaningless. He disagreed, but didn’t, or couldn’t, explain how he expected it to work.

The thing is, he’s not stupid. He just gets that way when the topic turns to guns. He’s not a crazy gun nut, either. Yes, he has a ‘forest of steel’ in his gun vault, but mostly for him, it’s appreciation of the workmanship, testing the limits of his own ability to accurize them*, experiments to find the best load. He’s the same way with bows - buys the ones that speak to him and spends hours shooting them, choosing the very best arrows for each. But he’s not into black rifles, or buying guns out of spite.

*He loaned me a Ruger Model 77 in .30-06 that he’d accurized, shortened and recrowned the barrel, and bedded in a polymer stock. In testing it, the 3 shots I fired from 100 yards were almost touching - within a 1” circle, and I’m a novice. The rifle he did for a friend, the three shots made one hole.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:10:03pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

What’s wrong with an ordinary SWAT raid? If you want action, that should do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:10:16pm

re: #138 Brian J.

I just don’t understand why this is so hard for so many here and in the country as a whole to grasp. You’re legitimizing these guys when you make fun of them, not whatever you think you’re accomplishing.

I’ve already outlined my solution that should have been implemented on the first day: B-52s.

I kind of think killing them all is totally more legitimizing than making fun of them.

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:10:25pm

re: #149 BeachDem

Again, I think Charlie Pierce said it very well:

This is an act of armed sedition against lawful authority…These are men with guns who have declared themselves outside the law. These are men with guns who have taken something that belongs to all of us. These are traitors and thieves who got away with this dangerous nonsense once, and have been encouraged to get away with it again…Ammon Bundy and his brothers should have been thrown in jail after they gathered themselves in rebellion the first time.

This is another step down the road that leads to the broken shell of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.

Yup.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:10:36pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

So far, they’ve done nothing likely to incur the death penalty. OTOH, putting “Vanilla ISIS” in the national vocabulary is worth a trashed birdwatching facility.

Public opinion is far more important than a dozen idiots at a bird sanctuary.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:10:43pm

re: #153 I Would Prefer Not To

Stolen from Facebook. I sensed that some lizards would appreciate.

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I would not worry. He’d never pick it up anyway.
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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:11:22pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

That’s what happens when the cable TV company hires ‘spayshal snowflakes’ for data entry.

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:11:25pm

re: #157 Great White Snark

What’s wrong with an ordinary SWAT raid? If you want action, that should do.

Why risk the lives of the SWAT team? And it’s not like Burns, OR has one handy.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:12:55pm

I’m getting really tired of the advocacy of bombing the shit out of a wildlife sanctuary.

Can we not?

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:13:31pm

re: #163 Brian J.

Why risk the lives of the SWAT team? And it’s not like Burns, OR has one handy.

How about just build a wall around the place and change the name to Malheur Federal Penitentiary. Problem solved.

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withak  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:14:04pm

re: #165 Jack Burton

How about just build a wall around the place and change the name to Malheur Federal Penitentiary. Problem solved.

And make the Bundys pay for it

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:14:18pm

re: #151 Brian J.

How many more such incidents did we see? Two- OK City and the Montana Freemen. Then that was it: the militias died out. We’ve already seen multiple militia flareups over the last two years. They want to be treated as soldiers fighting against the American government. Time to show them what that means.

Yeah, that daycare in the Murrah building was a small price to pay.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:14:36pm

re: #163 Brian J.

Why risk the lives of the SWAT team? And it’s not like Burns, OR has one handy.

Because that’s how you handle a law enforcement problem when it gets out of hand. It’s currently not out of hand to that point, but there is no reason for this to be handled any higher than law enforcement. Bombing turns them into martyrs. Arresting turns them into what they deserve: convicts.

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coin operated  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:15:01pm

re: #157 Great White Snark

I have a preference for Spectre gunships myself, but aerial is the way to go.

Unfortunately, we (rightfully) do not have an appetite for collateral damage. With women and children in the compound (fucking cowards), these options are completely off the table.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:17:01pm

re: #163 Brian J.

Why risk the lives of the SWAT team? And it’s not like Burns, OR has one handy.

It’s called HRT and they are good enough to get it done. FBI Quantico trained. And has the benefit of actually being legal and in line with our ethics as a country. We don’t do massacres of criminals. Bloodlust is just not any help here.

Edit—HRT is perfect since innocents are there too.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:18:29pm

re: #169 coin operated

I have a preference for Spectre gunships myself, but aerial is the way to go.

Unfortunately, we (rightfully) do not have an appetite for collateral damage. With women and children in the compound (fucking cowards), these options are completely off the table.

A harsh court might give the gun-wielding doofs five years for what they’ve done. You don’t obliterate citizens for assing off wih a gun, unless you’re the kind of cops we don’t approve of.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:19:01pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m getting really tired of the advocacy of bombing the shit out of a wildlife sanctuary.

Can we not?

Beef boycott? Risky alternative?

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:19:19pm

The solution to the White Privilege aspect of this is not to treat these white people the way we’d treat Muslims or Blacks in a similar situation, but rather to treat Muslims or Blacks the way we treat white people.

I understand the anger that leads to advocating extreme violence. I share it. I don’t, however join the advocacy.

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BeachDem  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:19:34pm

re: #168 Belafon

Because that’s how you handle a law enforcement problem when it gets out of hand. It’s currently not out of hand to that point, but there is no reason for this to be handled any higher than law enforcement. Bombing turns them into martyrs. Arresting turns them into what they deserve: convicts.

Now, if only they would arrest some of them. How long since the Bundy ranch orgasmathon? Almost two years—no arrests (and let’s not forget, that it was followed up by the killing of two policemen in Las Vegas and a shootout at Walmart by some of their supporters.)

The more they get away with, with no penalties or repercussions, the more emboldened the nutters become.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:19:35pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Beef boycott? Risky alternative?

/

I already subbed in bison for ground beef.

Of course, that was a couple years ago and due to health reasons. But hey, it sort of counts?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:20:14pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Don’t confuse the FBI with Mayor Rizzo’s Philadelphia cops.

W. WIlson Goode was the mayor that dropped the bomb on the MOVE house. Ol’ Frank fantasized that his police force could take on Cuba.

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allegro  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:20:48pm

re: #155 Tigger2

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GOP shocked again when reality smacks ‘em upside teh head.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:21:11pm

re: #151 Brian J.

How many more such incidents did we see? Two- OK City and the Montana Freemen. Then that was it: the militias died out. We’ve already seen multiple militia flareups over the last two years. They want to be treated as soldiers fighting against the American government. Time to show them what that means.

Militias have been growing since we got a black president. Fewer incidents perhaps but the threat is very real.

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coin operated  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:21:39pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Sorry…forgot the snark tag.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:21:40pm

re: #176 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

W. WIlson Goode was the mayor that dropped the bomb on the MOVE house. Ol’ Frank fantasized that his police force could take on Cuba.

You’re right. Wasn’t Rizzo then the chief of police, riding the MOVE action to election later?

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:22:22pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Don’t confuse the FBI with Mayor Rizzo’s Philadelphia cops.

Send Frank Rizzo in there, he’ll straighten out shit. He’ll rap their heads in with a ratchet!

Oh wait, you meant a different Frank Rizzo.

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nines09  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:22:57pm

re: #133 Kragar

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It’s all he ever dreamed of.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:23:04pm

I hope PETA laced that jerky with laxatives.

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[deleted]  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:24:02pm
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WhatEVs  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:24:02pm

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

I hope PETA laced that jerky with laxatives.

That would be some kind of justice.

Which, thus far, is completely escaping these dimwitted assholes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:24:27pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Round them up and send them to a feedlot in Kansas?

Turn them into bird docents?

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[deleted]  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:24:52pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:25:32pm

re: #188 Bubblehead II

You do know that advocating violence against a group or individual IS frowned upon by our host?

Not to mention the community in general.

You would think they would have learned the last time a spate of comments got deleted for this same issue.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:25:53pm

re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Turn them into bird docents?

They’ll have to trade their night-vision thingies for regular binoculars.

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Lidane  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:26:04pm
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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:26:30pm

re: #182 Jack Burton

Send Frank Rizzo in there, he’ll straighten out shit. He’ll rap their heads in with a ratchet!

Oh wait, you meant a different Frank Rizzo.

Upding for the Jerky Boys ref.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:26:48pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You’re right. Wasn’t Rizzo then the chief of police, riding the MOVE action to election later?

Nah. The Move bombing was after Rizzo left office.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:27:11pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

They’ll have to trade their night-vision thingies for regular binoculars.

Also blue tarps for something a little more transparent.

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Kryptik  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:27:28pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

The solution to the White Privilege aspect of this is not to treat these white people the way we’d treat Muslims or Blacks in a similar situation, but rather to treat Muslims or Blacks the way we treat white people.

I understand the anger that leads to advocating extreme violence. I share it. I don’t, however join the advocacy.

Man, this. A thousand times this.

EDIT: That said, I think these assholes really are being treated with a softer hand than they should be, but overall, the issue isn’t white criminals not being treated as badly as ‘brown’ criminals, but why non-white criminals are being treated so overly harshly compared to white ones.

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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:27:28pm

re: #192 makeitstop

Upding for the Jerky Boys ref.

“Look jerky, I don’t need to talk to you.”

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Jack B. Nimble  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:28:16pm

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

So we just have to convince them to eat their guns.

That could be…messy.

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allegro  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:28:22pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also blue tarps for something a little more transparent.

At least cut eye holes.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:28:37pm

re: #188 Bubblehead II

You do know that advocating violence against a group or individual IS frowned upon by our host?

Precisely why I’ve held my tongue on the subject of Baby Snidely Whiplash.

If I said what I was thinking, I’d be bounced out of here like a beach ball at Coachella.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:28:40pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:28:49pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You’re right. Wasn’t Rizzo then the chief of police, riding the MOVE action to election later?

Rizzo was already mayor when the first MOVE confrontation occurred in 1979. (He was mayor from 1972-80). When the first MOVE eviction was taking place, a fire crew was pouring water on the house when somebody started shooting. Eventually one police officer was killed in the shootout. The second one (with the bomb) was in 1985.
Rizzo did lead an effort to change the city charter to let him run for a third term, but it failed. He was running for mayor in 1991 as a Republican when he passed away rather ignominiously on a toilet in a public men’s room.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:09pm

re: #174 BeachDem

Now, if only they would arrest some of them. How long since the Bundy ranch orgasmathon? Almost two years—no arrests (and let’s not forget, that it was followed up by the killing of two policemen in Las Vegas and a shootout at Walmart by some of their supporters.)

The more they get away with, with no penalties or repercussions, the more emboldened the nutters become.

Yep, the failure of the Bundy ranch thing was not arresting Cliven for not paying, and that idiot on the road for pointing a gun at a person. The outcome of this needs to be arrests.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:20pm

re: #188 Bubblehead II

You do know that advocating violence against a group or individual IS frowned upon by our host?

He doesn’t care, despite having similar comments deleted recently.

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Nyet  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:27pm

re: #181 Brian J.

Wasn’t the deletion of your previous messages on the topic a hint enough?

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:48pm

re: #196 Kragar

“Look jerky, I don’t need to talk to you.”

I’ll bring my glasses, and my shoes. So I will have them.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:50pm

Misleading headline and story from Breitbart (go figure):

Claims Obama is going Birther on Cruz. Except he’s not. Neither is Earnest. Earnest was merely identifying the schadenfreude of GOPers attacking Obama for the last 7 years about this and then springing the same BS arguments against Cruz.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:29:58pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah. The Move bombing was after Rizzo left office.

Jumbled that memory, then, even though it was very impressive watching a police airstrike on an old B&W TV.

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:30:15pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

The solution to the White Privilege aspect of this is not to treat these white people the way we’d treat Muslims or Blacks in a similar situation, but rather to treat Muslims or Blacks the way we treat white people.

I understand the anger that leads to advocating extreme violence. I share it. I don’t, however join the advocacy.

That’s the solution to all issues where white privilege comes into play, especially law enforcement issues. Treat everyone the way that whites get treated, not the other way around.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:30:19pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also blue tarps for something a little more transparent.

New Mexico roofing: blue tarp and two old car tires. More tires if needed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:30:28pm

re: #196 Kragar

“Look jerky, I don’t need to talk to you.”

sizzlechest!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:31:07pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

New Mexico roofing: blue tarp and two old car tires. More tires if needed.

It could be donated to a good cause then! I’m sure there’s folks who could use a good tarp, and they’d then be better equipped for birdwatching.

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nines09  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:31:25pm

re: #191 Lidane

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Looks like Ann finally got out of her casket again.

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Brian J.  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:33:01pm

Alright, I apologize. I shall try not to comment on this issue any more. I understand that you’ve got rules against advocating violence, and that they exist for good reason.

But the Bundys and friends are going to win again, and that means you’ll see more and more incidents like this in the future, because they’re not being made to pay a price for breaking the law. And mockery isn’t a price.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:33:51pm

Don’t quote the troll. Stinky hates having to clean up collateral damage.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:34:06pm

re: #181 Brian J.

Then it’s time to end the threat in the way that they understand.

That’s just about what militia rage mongers say about our government. And is about as welcome. FYI-This is not a blog that appreciates threats or wishes for violence. Not the host, nor the rest for the most part.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:34:43pm

re: #213 Brian J.

they’re not being made to pay a price for breaking the law

It’s not over yet.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:35:30pm

re: #213 Brian J.

Alright, I apologize. I shall try not to comment on this issue any more. I understand that you’ve got rules against advocating violence, and that they exist for good reason.

But the Bundys and friends are going to win again, and that means you’ll see more and more incidents like this in the future, because they’re not being made to pay a price for breaking the law. And mockery isn’t a price.

An appropriate conviction and sentence is for them. The mockery is for the entire spectrum of wannabees.

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Skip Intro  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:36:16pm

re: #191 Lidane

I’m cool with this as long as the Times doesn’t say Coulter is a natural born blonde.

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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:36:41pm

re: #213 Brian J.

See the sheriff at the top of the page? HE’s the one to bring them down because they can’t whine about the Feds then. Let him do his job and stop whining because people aren’t out committing the mass murder you want them to.

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Great White Snark  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:37:11pm

re: #213 Brian J.

Alright, I apologize. I shall try not to comment on this issue any more. I understand that you’ve got rules against advocating violence, and that they exist for good reason.

But the Bundys and friends are going to win again, and that means you’ll see more and more incidents like this in the future, because they’re not being made to pay a price for breaking the law. And mockery isn’t a price.

Thank you, and I do appreciate your worry on that score.

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:37:38pm

re: #213 Brian J.

The price is them standing trial and going to prison. Treating them like a military target and arbitrarily exterminating them will only serve to give credibility to the idea they are starting a legitimate revolution against a tyrannical government.

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Kragar  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:39:06pm

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

sizzlechest!

“This is Kissel.”

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Tigger2  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:39:12pm

re: #221 Jack Burton

The price is them standing trial and going to prison. Treating them like a military target and arbitrarily exterminating them will only serve to give credibility to the idea they are starting a legitimate revolution against a tyrannical government.

That’s right treat them like criminals not part of a so called Army

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:40:02pm

I’ve stolen too many CPU cycles from the kid’s Civ4 addiction. BBL

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:42:00pm

OT: Web site posts videos of a bridge in North Carolina that is slightly lower than usual. Truck damage ensues

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Mattand  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:43:55pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

You’re right. Wasn’t Rizzo then the chief of police, riding the MOVE action to election later?

You might be thinking of the incident where they raided the local Black Panthers clubhouse in the ’60s. Rizzo was at a black tie event and eventually showed up at the scene with a billy club in his cumberbund.

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Jack Burton  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:44:06pm

re: #222 Kragar

“This is Kissel.”

What time are you people gonna come over here an fix my sink?!?

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:56:25pm

re: #84 jaunte

He wouldn’t understand this as hypocrisy, just taking advantage of any benefit available to help himself and his relatives.

“Patriot” taqiyya.

///

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Shimshon  Jan 6, 2016 • 12:56:43pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Boycott beef if you want to hurt them.

Being a rancher is a racket. They get so many government subsidies they always turn profits. They hide this fact by ranting about “big” government mainly because they feel all the lazy minorities don’t deserve any help only them.

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2016 • 1:01:29pm

re: #102 nines09

After the power gets turned off and the gas runs out, will they snuggle? Or maybe fire off a few rounds and hug the barrel? Obama is weak. Putin would have sent in a MI-24 Hind already. //

Spetsnaz would’ve had them all pushing up daisies the night of Day 1.

///

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 1:32:44pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, in the lastest from the “stuff you totally saw coming” Dept…

OBAMA IS THE GREATEST GUN SALESMAN IN AMERICA

Sigh…This country is so fucked.

And Obama is stupid, too. He has so many more guns to confiscate now!!!

/

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2016 • 1:48:03pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The underpants gnomes have been visiting.

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Kobyashi Maru  Jan 6, 2016 • 2:08:07pm

Can you imagine if a group of lawfully armed Muslims did the same exact thing? The mind boggles. The G-d fearing “Christians” occupying the building would be blazing away at them no doubt….

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 2:27:20pm

re: #136 Jack Burton

Seriously…. vegan jerky…. That’s like vegan bacon.

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This is amazing. Wingnuts making themselves look like fools while moonbats, trying to make wingnuts look like fools, also manage to make themselves look like idiots in doing so.

Looking for an analogy here…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 6, 2016 • 2:29:45pm

re: #129 Mattand

I keep trying to express how I feel about this, but anymore, the frustration I feel at seeing GOP-created right wing terrorists getting away with this shit all time? Sends my brain to some really dark places that probably and rightly shouldn’t be expressed on a civil forum.

But, seriously, I’ve fucking had it with this country’s willingness to let white terrorists do whatever the fuck they want. You literally have to blow up a fucking federal building before the government will do something about it.

And while I’m ranting: I’m adding open carry ammosexuals into the white terrorist camp. There’s only one reason to walk around a fucking ShopRite with your kids while armed to the teeth: to frighten normal, non-insane people.

Non-escalation is a long-game approach, but I think it is the best one, and I believe it will prevail over the long run. None of those guys should come out looking like heroes to any extent.

Except to the already delusionally converted, to whom it does not matter.

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BillinGlendaleCA  Jan 6, 2016 • 4:22:25pm

re: #109 Great White Snark

Those are LA city trash cans, so not Montrose, or La Crestenta(they’re mostly in Glendale); maybe Tujunga(that’s in LA).

ETA: Teh Google(via ABC7) says Highland Park.

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vgranucci  Jan 6, 2016 • 9:32:33pm

re: #32 Kragar

[Embedded content]

WTF?

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Lancelot Link  Jan 6, 2016 • 11:29:27pm

re: #87 Joe Bacon

Yes, he lied about sending a reporter and photographer to Oregon. As usual he spent the money on himself to chow down at Alioto’s!

More likely he walked a few blocks up from that spot and bought some crack.


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