Texas Gov. Abbott Wants to Amend the Constitution to Override US Laws and Supreme Court Rulings

Rick Perry was just a warm-up

PoliticsJanuary 2016 • Views: 53,619

If you thought Texas governors couldn’t get much crazier than Rick Perry, it’s time for another think, pardner, because Gov. Greg Abbott is now calling for a Convention of States to enact nine — count ‘em, nine! — amendments to the US Constitution.

The purpose of Abbott’s wish-list of amendments is to create a system of states’ rights on steroids, in which states can override Supreme Court decisions and federal laws. Basically he’s calling for a return to the Articles of Confederation that were replaced by our current Constitution. I guess this is how far right Republicans demonstrate their reverence for the US Constitution these days — by trying to gut it.

Reporter Brian Rosenthal tweeted Abbott’s fantasy amendments:

Here are the nine amendments to the U.S. Constitution that Texas Gov. @GregAbbott_TX is calling for #txlege pic.twitter.com/xbziSVL6Zs

— Brian M. Rosenthal (@brianmrosenthal) January 8, 2016

There’s no way this will actually happen, of course. Greg Abbott has been reading too much Gateway Pundit.

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449 comments

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 12:15:58pm

Shorter Abbott: invalidate all the laws from the past century I don’t like.

scottslemmons Jan 8, 2016 • 12:16:06pm

I’ll tell you what’s depressing as hell. As crazy as Perry was, as crazy as Abbott is — Dan Patrick, the lieutenant governor and the guy most likely to make it into the governor’s mansion, makes both of them look sane as lords.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:16:24pm

A Constitution Convention!

Could we get a parliamentary system? I’d love to vote for someone I agreed with.

jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 12:16:46pm

re: #1 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Let the special interests decide once and for all.”

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 12:17:21pm

As has been noted again and again by persons with far higher IQs that on display from Gov. Abbot, once a constitutional convention is called, you can’t put limits on what it can consider. So if Greg thinks that he and his buddies can call such a convention and only discuss this list, then he’s gonna be really surprise when states decide they want another look at the 2nd amendment, or to start adding their own amendments like a right to marriage or the legalization of marijuana.

lizardofid Jan 8, 2016 • 12:17:27pm

re: #2 scottslemmons

I’ll tell you what’s depressing as hell. As crazy as Perry was, as crazy as Abbott is — Dan Patrick, the lieutenant governor and the guy most likely to make it into the governor’s mansion, makes both of them look sane as lords.

Sad to say, but you are 100% correct as hell.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:20:03pm

Next: Republicans will call @GregAbbott_TX a RINO for not letting the states override with a simple majority instead of 2/3rds. @ZandarVTS

— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) January 8, 2016

Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 12:20:17pm

Corporate fascists know it is easier to buy off a state government. Fascist fascists know there is no one at the state level powerful enough to fight effectively for civil liberties.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 12:20:55pm

I imagine these 9 and others equally crazy like it will form the basis of every clown car candidate’s campaigns now.

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 12:22:08pm

Fucking Abbott makes Perry look smart.

Testy Toad T Jan 8, 2016 • 12:22:26pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

I miss the days when ~~conservatives~~ RWNJs were at least calling for an internally consistent framework. This is just a hodgepodge of silliness. I can’t tell if Abbott’s pandering or if he’s actually dumb enough to want this shit.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:22:35pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

As has been noted again and again by persons with far higher IQs that on display from Gov. Abbot, once a constitutional convention is called, you can’t put limits on what it can consider. So if Greg thinks that he and his buddies can call such a convention and only discuss this list, then he’s gonna be really surprise when states decide they want another look at the 2nd amendment, or to start adding their own amendments like a right to marriage or the legalization of marijuana.

He could end up with a convention that passes the ERA!

Testy Toad T Jan 8, 2016 • 12:23:02pm

re: #11 Testy Toad T

Amended: “right wing”, not conservative. There aren’t many things less conservative than blowing up the entire fucking Constitution.

Franklin Jan 8, 2016 • 12:23:19pm

re: #10 Tigger2

Fucking Abbott makes Perry look smart.

I thought his glasses did.

jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 12:24:23pm

TX consistently ranks on wrong end of nearly every education & public health metric. Maybe Greg Abbott could focus his constituents first?
— Leigh Mayo (@LeighMayo) January 8, 2016

SAT scores in Texas plummet as more students take exam
dallasnews.com

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 12:24:35pm

re: #14 Franklin

I thought his glasses did.

His glasses were a step up./

Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 12:24:44pm

What’s he gonna say when NY and CA make sure we repeal the 2nd? And the FBI lobbies to thin the 1st and 4th?

Smith25's Liberal Thighs Jan 8, 2016 • 12:26:09pm

Well, I’ll have to read this piece of bullshit this weekend. Got a couple of students in my classes this year whose parents are some nutters who are probably eating this up. Gotta be able to push back and not let the narrative go that way.

Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 12:26:57pm

re: #19 Kragar

Hey, thet wud make a good belt buckle.

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 12:27:57pm

re: #9 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I imagine these 9 and others equally crazy like it will form the basis of every clown car candidate’s campaigns now.

The GOP platform at the convention is gonna be a thing to behold, and not for any good reasons. Last time around, we had things like gold-buggery and the “Balanced Budget Amendment,” and that was with a relatively “sane” guy as the nominee. With someone like Trump on the ticket, I don’t imagine ideas like this are the craziest that will be adopted.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:28:28pm

Looking at his list of demands we’d have to scrap the 14th amendment. After all, state governments abusing their residents happen entirely within the state boundaries. Seems unfair that the federal government should in anyway interfere with States Rights like that.

FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 12:28:51pm

re: #15 jaunte

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SAT scores in Texas plummet as more students take exam
dallasnews.com

Yeah, but those are all Northeastern elitist homosexual agendized liberally biased

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 12:28:54pm

re: #19 Kragar

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I wish you could just program that to automatically post every day.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 12:29:34pm

re: #17 Great White Snark

What’s he gonna say when NY and CA make sure we repeal the 2nd? And the FBI lobbies to thin the 1st and 4th?

no. please see proposed amendment number 64

scottslemmons Jan 8, 2016 • 12:30:00pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

The GOP platform at the convention is gonna be a thing to behold, and not for any good reasons. Last time around, we had things like gold-buggery and the “Balanced Budget Amendment,” and that was with a relatively “sane” guy as the nominee. With someone like Trump on the ticket, I don’t imagine ideas like this are the craziest that will be adopted.

As I’ve said before, all we need is for Obama to denounce Adolf Hitler, and the GOP convention is guaranteed to be awash in swastikas.

Cleek’s Law could probably be weaponized against the Republicans really easily.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 12:31:45pm

There really aren’t words. I did wake up today, right? This isn’t a bad dream?

unproven innocence Jan 8, 2016 • 12:32:31pm

re: #26 scottslemmons

As I’ve said before, all we need is for Obama to denounce Adolf Hitler, and the GOP convention is guaranteed to be awash in swastikas.

Cleek’s Law could probably be weaponized against the Republicans really easily.

Quicker would be for Obama to say “Life is good”.

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 12:33:40pm

What I keep coming back to is VI, the whole “SCOTUS needs 7 votes to overturn a democratically-enacted law.” Just how far back down the list of 5-4 (or worse) decisions in the favor of conservatives does Abbot figure he wants to go back? I know he’s focused on things like Obergefell, but there’s nothing in the amendment that says that it’s only decisions made after the convention that will be subject to it.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:34:09pm

re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There really aren’t words. I did wake up today, right? This isn’t a bad dream?

This is:

If we elect a GOP president and Senate, Greg Abbott could seriously be Atty General or a Supreme Court justice. https://t.co/5YjfRh2inH

— Steve M. (@nomoremister) January 8, 2016

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 12:34:56pm

re: #28 unproven innocence

Quicker would be for Obama to say “Life is good”

All Obama needs to say is good open it up I want a shot at the 2nd then watch Abbott run away from it.

FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 12:35:33pm

ABBOTT: This isn’t working. America will only re-achieve true greatness when it resembles the 1860-era framework of the German Confederation
— chris hooks (@cd_hooks) January 8, 2016

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 12:35:35pm

well this day has been wild, too busy, isn’t it Friday night yet?

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:36:04pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

This is:
Insane?
Scary?
Sarcasm?
Nightmare?

jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 12:36:50pm

The hits just keep coming.

.@GregAbbott_TX and @DanPatrick may have jeopardized a terrorism investigation by jumping the gun. https://t.co/qSpPA1few4

— The Texas Observer (@TexasObserver) January 8, 2016

Two Texas politicians made public details of an investigation into a terrorism suspect while it was still in progress, potentially jeopardizing the inquiry, three sources familiar with the matter said on Friday.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick released details from documents that were still under court seal, the sources said.

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 12:37:13pm

What the GOP really seems to be working around to saying is they want to hollow out the Constitution and just replace it with the Articles of Confederation.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 12:37:20pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

I’d like to think the GOP will repudiate this as completely against the Constitution they claim to love, but let’s be real: they won’t.

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 12:37:58pm

pic.twitter.com/MA5ICZRlH2

— Jackie Lefevere (@Jackie_Lefevere) January 8, 2016

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:38:21pm

re: #34 Oblongatis

This is:
Insane?
Scary?
Sarcasm?
Nightmare?

Bad dream. Won’t happen because we will not elect a Republican president.

lawhawk Jan 8, 2016 • 12:38:56pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

What I keep coming back to is VI, the whole “SCOTUS needs 7 votes to overturn a democratically-enacted law.” Just how far back down the list of 5-4 (or worse) decisions in the favor of conservatives does Abbot figure he wants to go back? I know he’s focused on things like Obergefell, but there’s nothing in the amendment that says that it’s only decisions made after the convention that will be subject to it.

That ignores that if the Supreme Court can’t rule without 7-2 or better (8-1 or unanimous), then the lower court ruling is upheld. That’s how jurisprudence works. What Abbott would do is create split of authority among the circuits, and undermine the Supreme Court’s ability to decide these issues nationally.

Of course, he also ignores that the Court might turn around and take cases far more narrowly and address the issues that way - because if the Chief Justice and the rest of the court know the rules, they’ll try to find cases and issues narrowly and get to a result that meets the “requirement”.

Unintended consequences and all that.

Now, let’s say this was in effect at time of the Obamacare court rulings. With Abbott’s rules in effect, the law of the land would be Obamacare. The Medicaid expansion would be national law because the Court didn’t get to the 7-2 level either. Or there’d be a split of authority among the Circuits, meaning still more states than at present would have had to expand Medicaid and put up their own marketplace instead of forcing it on to the feds.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:39:40pm

re: #37 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d like to think the GOP will repudiate this as completely against the Constitution they claim to love, but let’s be real: they won’t.

They don’t want to alienate Trump’s supporters. It’s all they have left.

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 12:39:53pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

What I keep coming back to is VI, the whole “SCOTUS needs 7 votes to overturn a democratically-enacted law.” Just how far back down the list of 5-4 (or worse) decisions in the favor of conservatives does Abbot figure he wants to go back? I know he’s focused on things like Obergefell, but there’s nothing in the amendment that says that it’s only decisions made after the convention that will be subject to it.

he would negate the overturning of obamacare

Eventual Carrion Jan 8, 2016 • 12:39:57pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

What the GOP really seems to be working around to saying is they want to hollow out the Constitution and just replace it with the Articles of Confederation.

Yeah, that’s what I said downstairs. They want to resurrect that failed experiment with almost 5 times as many states to deal with.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:41:04pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

You have a much greater estimation in the intelligence of your country men than I do.
As things stand now your right, but just one scary terror threat could drive most of the herd right off a cliff.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 12:41:31pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

They don’t want to alienate Trump’s supporters. It’s all they have left.

The depressing thing is that there are still going to be people who will say “oh this is horrible” but then turn around and vote GOP because it wasn’t their representative/governor/candidate/whatever. Ignoring the part where the whole party is contributing to this mess.

Today is a glass-half-empty day here, I know tomorrow will be better. Just ignore me.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:42:15pm

re: #44 Oblongatis

You have a much greater estimation in the intelligence of your country men than I do.
As things stand now your right, but just one scary terror threat could drive most of the herd right off a cliff.

It is my country WOMEN that I have faith in. And our numerous male supporters.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:42:43pm

re: #45 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The depressing thing is that there are still going to be people who will say “oh this is horrible” but then turn around and vote GOP because it wasn’t their representative/governor/candidate/whatever. Ignoring the part where the whole party is contributing to this mess.

Today is a glass-half-empty day here, I know tomorrow will be better. Just ignore me.

Glass is too big!

ComradeDread Jan 8, 2016 • 12:43:04pm

So basically, it’s a ‘let’s stop the gays from getting hitched, get mandatory prayer back in the schools, and stop the whores from having the abortions’ manifesto.

I’m surprised he didn’t call for the repeal of the 13th and 14th amendment and advocate striking the “Well-regulated militia” bit from the 2nd and changing “religion” to “Christianity” in the 1st.

But I trust that once a constitutional convention opened its doors that those would be among the first of the proposed changes from his fellow Republicans.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:44:40pm

I noted my non gender neutral comment when I posted it, didn’t think it was worth the edit.

Hope your right. But the lemmings are what they are.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 12:44:51pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Glass is too big!

Glass needs gin.

(Not really. Ice maker is still producing funky smelling ice cubes, fridge repairman is here in about 2 hours. Hoping to get this back to normal.)

Rocky-in-Connecticut Jan 8, 2016 • 12:45:50pm

Texas doesn’t need to secede. Under this Abbot nut job, Texas just may be laughed out of the USA.

theheat Jan 8, 2016 • 12:47:48pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s probably a frenzied Pinterest post about how you can cure that with baking soda and/or white vinegar.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 12:48:52pm

re: #52 theheat

There’s probably a frenzied Pinterest post about how you can cure that with baking soda and/or white vinegar.

Haha, the issue is multi-part. I can’t get into the icemaker itself to clean it, and the motor that got burned out is still in there (that’s the part the repairman is coming to hopefully deal with).

In the meantime I’m just cycling a lot of ice down the drain.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:49:22pm

re: #49 Oblongatis

I noted my non gender neutral comment when I posted it, didn’t think it was worth the edit.

Hope your right. But the lemmings are what they are.

I’m not offended by your comment’s non gender neutrality, it just provided the opportunity for me to say what I think makes this election different when it comes to predictions.

theheat Jan 8, 2016 • 12:50:34pm

re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Have you considered any of the warmer adult beverages, like hot buttered rums, Kahlua and coffee, etc., in the interim?

sizzzzlerz Jan 8, 2016 • 12:52:06pm

re: #19 Kragar

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Does that thing need any digits greater than 0?

FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 12:52:19pm

OK, now Abbott has gone to far!

Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 12:52:36pm

re: #56 sizzzzlerz

Does that thing need any digits greater than 0?

Its remarkably stable in its current form.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 12:53:37pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Let us hope you’re right.

I get some reassurance from that configuration of the electoral college makes a Republican win a very unlikely event. This is however this little voice in the back of my mind telling me not to be too cocky.

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 12:55:39pm

re: #59 Oblongatis

Let us hope you’re right.

I get some reassurance from the configuration of the electoral college makes a Republican win a very unlikely event. This is however this little voice in the back of my mind telling me not to be too cocky.

Consider this a big voice in your face: WORK TO GET OUT THE VOTE. That will be the key, as always.

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:01:06pm

America is an extraordinary place. But this is not how we want to stand out. #StopGunViolence pic.twitter.com/p4yaHKh2Mt

— Gabrielle Giffords (@GabbyGiffords) January 5, 2016

Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 1:02:11pm

re: #25 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

no. please see proposed amendment number 64

Sorry? Out of 9? Other reference?

The Vicious Babushka Jan 8, 2016 • 1:03:04pm

THESE PEOPLE ARE SO HORRIBLE==>
(Also, the comments. Fuck these horrible garbage humans.)

Indiana school causes controversy by serving what some are calling “sandwiches of shame” to students w lunch debt https://t.co/ZYUO3B0L8m

— NBC Los Angeles (@NBCLA) January 8, 2016

Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 1:04:18pm

@Kragar_LGF He who laughs is a Communist or their Useful Idiot!

— Ron (@american121) January 8, 2016

You must be surrounded by Communists then https://t.co/FDdyx3MZGd

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 8, 2016

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:06:03pm

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

THESE PEOPLE ARE SO HORRIBLE==>
(Also, the comments. Fuck these horrible garbage humans.)

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@NBCLA Jesus Christ Indiana is supposed to be a Christian State can’t we do better than this.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) January 8, 2016

Fourth Football of the Apocalypse Jan 8, 2016 • 1:06:41pm

re: #62 Great White Snark

Sorry? Out of 9? Other reference?

sorry, forgot to add sarcasm font.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 1:07:17pm

re: #55 theheat

Have you considered any of the warmer adult beverages, like hot buttered rums, Kahlua and coffee, etc., in the interim?

It’s only 1pm, I’m not desperate yet. ;)

Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:09:07pm

LOL

#slackjawlivescount #YallQaeda #Bundy #VanillaISIS pic.twitter.com/gSrpHEUXoj

— TKDMike (@tkdmike) January 8, 2016

CuriousLurker Jan 8, 2016 • 1:09:28pm

OT - For anyone still wondering what happened to Ryan Bundy’s face:

Both as a mother and as someone who has suffered (non-traumatic) brain injury, it made me shudder—I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. It involves a car/pedestrian accident, so I’m making it private in case ww is still here and doesn’t want to read it.

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

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:12:17pm

“Don’t go out here to raise hell or grabass” — otherwise, feel free to use the AZ-based militia rideshare to Oregon. https://t.co/LuQ8CdplK3

— Tim Steller (@senyorreporter) January 8, 2016

[…]

But there’s one problem: Your 4x4 is in the shop and you need a ride to the compound’s remote address, preferably with a fellow Three Percenter, a term militia types use to compare themselves to the supposed three percent of colonists who fought the British during the Revolutionary War.

Thankfully, supporters of Bundy’s group, Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, have created the “Oregon Militia Standoff - Rideshare” Facebook page, which is sort of like Lyft for right-wing loons.

[…]

One woman in Tucson asked what she could do to aid the cause. Another answered her, writing that supplies were being collected. But when a wag snarkily commented “Snacks!” in the same string, his post was deleted by the page’s administrator.

[…]

sizzzzlerz Jan 8, 2016 • 1:15:02pm

For dudes professing their undying love of the Constitution, they sure don’t seem to like it very much.

Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 1:16:06pm

I’m going to need to see a heat map of the long form, certified by State records office as being legitimate @Drudge_Report_ @mattdpearce

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 8, 2016

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:16:08pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

OT - For anyone still wondering what happened to Ryan Bundy’s face:

Both as a mother and as someone who has suffered (non-traumatic) brain injury, it made me shudder—I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. It involves a car/pedestrian accident, so I’m making it private in case ww is still here and doesn’t want to read it.

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Thanks for your consideration. I’ve been reading all kinds of things that might distress a normal person. Including that. His youth at the time was a good thing for his recovery!

HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:17:14pm

Abbott seems to have a very big problem with how law works.

Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:18:56pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Not much help here in MA. We are always solid Blue. We only get Republican Governors or Senators when pathetic candidates (aka Coakley) are run by the complacent Democrats.

In 2012 wife and I seriously thought about contributing to a swing state state party.

Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 1:19:19pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Luckily he went into a profession where that doesn’t matter…

Kryptik Jan 8, 2016 • 1:19:20pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Abbott seems to have a very big problem with how law works.

That’s ok, he’ll just change the law so it works how he wants it to work. That’s how it works….right?

CuriousLurker Jan 8, 2016 • 1:19:37pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

Thanks for your consideration. I’ve been reading all kinds of things that might distress a normal person. Including that. His youth at the time was a good thing for his recovery!

Indeed. All I kept thinking about was how BIG those LTDs were back in the day, and they weren’t all fiberglass (or whatever cars are made out of now). *shudder*

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 8, 2016 • 1:20:39pm

So, let’s say Abbott gets his way, and a Constitutional Convention is convened. Who gets to attend and vote in it? This is not spelled out. How do we decide how to apportion delegates? If it were like the Senate, 26 states with 18% of the population could decide everything, and guess who dominates THOSE.

Note also that since a Constitutional Convention could do anything from ‘Nothing at all’ to ‘Start with a clean sheet of paper’, such a Convention could outlaw any future Amendments and/or Conventions to amend whatever they came up with.

I’d hazard the guess that the Right sees this as their chance to circumvent their demographic doom. That is, they see the demographic writing on the wall, and they see this as the best hope to set their preferences in stone before they lose more majorities. Right now, they hold the House and Senate, and a majority of State Legislatures. If they continue to be the Party of White Privilege, as whites inevitably become just another minority, they’ll start losing. So, they want to strike now, while they could potentially dominate the Convention and fill the new Constitution full of their crazy ideas.

It’s a frightening thought. The Articles of Confederation might seem tame by comparison.

TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 1:20:56pm

re: #65 Tigger2

@NBCLA Jesus Christ Indiana is supposed to be a Christian State can’t we do better than this.

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) January 8, 2016

That assumes that they have the will to do so.

Being “Christ-like” is hard…being a cold, heartless, skinflint shithead is much easier for them.

Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 1:21:01pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Abbott seems to have a very big problem with how law works.

It is nice of him to support the right of States like California and New York to make Gay Marriage mandatory within their own territory.
/

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 8, 2016 • 1:21:38pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Glass is too big!

The ~~Rent~~ Glass Is Too Damn ~~High~~ Big!

Lidane Jan 8, 2016 • 1:22:13pm

*looks at headline*

Goddammit, Abbott. Stop making the rest of us in this state look stupid.

Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 1:22:50pm

re: #13 Testy Toad T

Amended: “right wing”, not conservative. There aren’t many things less conservative than blowing up the entire fucking Constitution.

This is only step 1. Magna Carta is the next target.
;P

Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 1:23:13pm

Now we know what we already knew.

sic Drudge headline
BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR CRUZ’S MOTHER SHOWS CITIZENSHIP

lawhawk Jan 8, 2016 • 1:23:14pm

Why elections matter:

In response to veto, @SpeakerRyan says if a GOP Congress sends ObamaCare repeal next year to a GOP pres., “it will get signed into law.”

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) January 8, 2016

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:23:34pm

Tiny goats climbing a tree 😊🌲 pic.twitter.com/7qrOwbXYJc

— Sassy Goats (@TheSassyGoats) January 8, 2016

KGxvi Jan 8, 2016 • 1:24:31pm

I had too many thoughts, and too much snark for just a comment, had to page it, and by the time I was done, this post was up. Now I need to find a cement wall I can go slam my head into repeatedly.

HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:24:56pm

re: #86 lawhawk

Why elections matter:

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Ryan is such a slug.

Lidane Jan 8, 2016 • 1:25:54pm

Meanwhile, this also happened:

BREAKING: Guns now allowed in Texas’ state-run psychiatric hospitals https://t.co/nn7aa0swK0 pic.twitter.com/PAOR4ib5zA

— Austin Statesman (@statesman) January 8, 2016

My state is clearly run by fucking lunatics. Send help.

HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:26:26pm

re: #90 Lidane

Meanwhile, this also happened:

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My state is clearly run by fucking lunatics. Send help.

Great idea. Sigh, these fucking people.

danarchy Jan 8, 2016 • 1:27:09pm

re: #75 Oblongatis

Not much help here in MA. We are always solid Blue. We only get Republican Governors or Senators when pathetic candidates (aka Coakley) are run by the complacent Democrats.

In 2012 wife and I seriously thought about contributing to a swing state state party.

Some of those republicans end up being pretty popular. Of course, we’ll see if the MBTA can do something about that once the snow starts.

Charlie Baker highest rated governor in the country.

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 8, 2016 • 1:27:18pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

When we had the goats in to eat the ivy (literally the LAST green thing in the yard they ate), we saw one of the little ones on top of the gas grill hood. We had to move it away from the shed, because if they got on the roof of that, they could just hop over into the neighbor’s yard.

Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 1:29:16pm

I. Prohibit Congress for regulating activity that occurs wholly within one state.

That would have made sense in the 19th century, where it seems this list originates from. But in the 21st, where virtually everything is connected in some way across state borders? This amendment would prove almost impossible to enforce because somebody somewhere would argue that said “activity” actually crosses one or more borders. Case in point, Nebraska and Oklahoma are presently suing Colorado in federal court over its legalization of marijuana because (they claim) their citizens are crossing state lines to buy up perfectly legal pot and then bring it home to where it’s illegal.

II. Require Congress to balance its budget.

No doubt this amendment would end up being much longer in the end, as there’s nothing in this single sentence that prevents a Republican Congress from just using “continuing resolutions” to allow them to maintain tax cuts without needing to balance them out.

III. Prohibit administrative agencies - and the unelected bureaucrats that staff them - from creating federal law

IV. Prohibit administrative agencies - and the unelected bureaucrats that staff them - from preempting state law.

These two are effectively the same amendment, or would be in practice, so we can cut down the total list down to eight. We could just call this new one “The Big Business Amendment,” because that’s really what it would be: A restriction on federal agencies to prevent them from regulating industries that have an easier time just buying off the relevant state agencies.

V. Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Which I’m sure sounds great to Republicans, because they think they’ll have permanent control over state legislatures and thus would never find themselves in the precarious position of having a decision they approve of overturned. But just like how calling a convention doesn’t mean they control the agenda, instituting this amendment doesn’t mean that the decisions that could be overturned are ones they disapprove of.

VI. Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically-enacted law.

Sure, that does away with Obergefell, but it also means the end of Citizens United, Heller, Sebelius, and Bush v. Gore. Again, the law of unintended consequences seems to be lost upon wingnuts.

VII. Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.

Good luck finding money in the state budget to keep all those refineries up to code, Greg. Not to mention finding money in the coffers to keep all those miles of highway passable.

VIII. Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.

Talk about stacking the deck: Sue the federal government in their own courts, require SCOTUS to put together a 7 justice super-majority if the decision would overturn a law, and then allow 2/3 of the states to override the court if they don’t like the final decision anyway. They really do want to just bring back the Articles of Confederation.

IX. Allow a two-thirds majority of the States to override a federal law or regulation.

That whole “law of unintended consequences” really is lost on these morons, isn’t it? I think I’ll finish this amendment and the list off with a line from a rather wise man:

“You should never hand someone a gun unless you are sure where they will point it. Your mistake.”

Lidane Jan 8, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

dear conservatives, here’s your g-d convention of the states, love, the side that won the war pic.twitter.com/FRIvZTEbsH

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 8, 2016

Dr Lizardo Jan 8, 2016 • 1:29:34pm

re: #90 Lidane

Meanwhile, this also happened:

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My state is clearly run by fucking lunatics. Send help.

What could possibly go wrong?

O_O

wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:30:43pm

re: #88 KGxvi

I had too many thoughts, and too much snark for just a comment, had to page it, and by the time I was done, this post was up. Now I need to find a cement wall I can go slam my head into repeatedly.

You should include a link to said Page with such a comment. Save me a click!

HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:30:47pm

re: #95 Lidane

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They’re convinced that they only lost the war because of Northern manpower and resources. That may well be but the fact is they lost the fucking war and it’s something they need to get over and that their little war was about the ability of a select few Southerners being able to own human beings.

Lidane Jan 8, 2016 • 1:33:07pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

It’s basically a laundry list of wingnut whining.

Greg Abbott is a fucking lunatic. There’s no other way to say it. He’s the living embodiment of the Free Republic comments section.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 1:33:23pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

So, let’s say Abbott gets his way, and a Constitutional Convention is convened. Who gets to attend and vote in it? This is not spelled out. How do we decide how to apportion delegates? If it were like the Senate, 26 states with 18% of the population could decide everything, and guess who dominates THOSE.

Note also that since a Constitutional Convention could do anything from ‘Nothing at all’ to ‘Start with a clean sheet of paper’, such a Convention could outlaw any future Amendments and/or Conventions to amend whatever they came up with.

I’d hazard the guess that the Right sees this as their chance to circumvent their demographic doom. That is, they see the demographic writing on the wall, and they see this as the best hope to set their preferences in stone before they lose more majorities. Right now, they hold the House and Senate, and a majority of State Legislatures. If they continue to be the Party of White Privilege, as whites inevitably become just another minority, they’ll start losing. So, they want to strike now, while they could potentially dominate the Convention and fill the new Constitution full of their crazy ideas.

It’s a frightening thought. The Articles of Confederation might seem tame by comparison.

That’s really all this whole call for a new convention is by this point, the GOP trying to get their ideology stamped permanently into our laws while they still have enough of a majority to actually have a good chance of making it all happen.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 1:33:44pm

I’m surprised that Abbott didn’t toss repealing the Seventeenth Amendment in there. Having State legislatures appoint Senators directly again is super popular in wingnut circles.

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:33:47pm

re: #92 danarchy

I actually voted for Weld back in the day. Of course Silva wasn’t much of a candidate.
Thinking I did vote for Coakley twice for Senator and for Governor. Had to hold my nose the stink was incredible.

Bakers been fairly benign but a MA Republican would be called a commie down south.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 8, 2016 • 1:34:36pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I’m surprised that Abbott didn’t toss repealing the Seventeenth Amendment in there. Having State legislatures appoint Senators directly again is super popular in wingnut circles.

That’s because he’s a RINO!

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:35:24pm

re: #102 Oblongatis

I actually voted for Weld back in the day. Of course Silva wasn’t much of a candidate.
Thinking I did vote for Coakley twice for Senator and for Governor. Had to hold my nose the stink was incredible.

Bakers been fairly benign but a MA Republican would be called a commie down south.

I cannot believe the MA Democratic Party made the mistake of nominating Coakley for a high office again after the 2010 fiasco. Outside looking in of course but I really think with all the Democratic Congresspeople you guys have that they could have found a decent candidate among them.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 1:37:44pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I’m surprised that Abbott didn’t toss repealing the Seventeenth Amendment in there. Having State legislatures appoint Senators directly again is super popular in wingnut circles.

An idea they love…right up until it would have meant Scott Brown would not have been the 60th vote against the ACA, which would have allowed Democrats to pass the House bill rather than engaging in a bit of legislative sleight-of-hand with the Senate one.

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Romantic Heretic Jan 8, 2016 • 1:39:03pm

re: #61 Tigger2

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We’re #1! We’re #1! We’re #1!

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:39:54pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

An idea they love…right up until it would have meant Scott Brown would not have been the 60th vote against the ACA, which would have allowed Democrats to pass the House bill rather than engaging in a bit of legislative sleight-of-hand with the Senate one.

They like the idea of redistributing electoral votes based on districts won too but notice they don’t do it in states like Texas only states like our own Virginia. I can’t stand Bob McDonnell but I was glad that was a bridge too far even for a crook like him.

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 1:41:48pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

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If anybody is running a rideshare to collect all the nation’s threeper nuts for a subzero campout, let me know where to kick in for gas.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:42:07pm

You’ll see the movement to restore electing senators to the state legislature fade away if the Dems gain a majority in the state legislatures in the 2020 election too.

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:43:05pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I don’t know what they were thinking either.

In 2010 she didn’t even run a campaign. She seemed to figure it’s MA, I’m Democratic and it’s Kennedy’s seat: I’m so in.
At least she ran a campaign for Governor even if she had all the appeal of three day old fish.

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:43:55pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I like your happy thoughts. But I worry.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2016 • 1:45:25pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Glass is too big!

Glass is YOOOOGE!!!

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:45:27pm

re: #111 Oblongatis

I like your happy thoughts. But I worry.

I’m cautiously optimistic. I have no idea what the Republican Party is going to look like in 2020 though.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 1:45:37pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Abbott seems to have a very big problem with how law works.

But, but, his fangirl at Texas Monthly said:

Case in point: Abbott’s plan addresses the risk of a runaway convention. Because he’s a smart lawyer, not a random Internet commenter/Trump
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

My reasoning is, in part: if a convention of the states is a serious prospect, we’re MUCH better off with a smart lawyer setting the terms.
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 1:46:46pm

No wonder Abbot is angry https://t.co/8OuMAV5Xjd

— Kelsey D. Atherton (@AthertonKD) January 8, 2016

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Ice cream maker Blue Bell reports listeria found again in facility https://t.co/fjVDHPC2Nh

— Laura Seay (@texasinafrica) January 8, 2016

Texas-based Blue Bell Creameries, which stopped production and distribution of ice cream to 25 states in April after the discovery of listeria bacteria, said on Friday that listeria was discovered again in a production facility.

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Kragar Jan 8, 2016 • 1:46:55pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

If anybody is running a rideshare to collect all the nation’s threeper nuts for a subzero campout, let me know where to kick in for gas.

I would sign up as a volunteer driver, make sure they were all ready to go, then not show up.

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danarchy Jan 8, 2016 • 1:47:22pm

re: #61 Tigger2

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While I understand the sentiment in the post, the skeptic in me immediately asks why did they choose 1966 as a start point? What would this look like if adjusted for population? How does the US compare to the EU as a whole as the populations are a little more comparable?

I am pretty sure the US would still come out “ahead” but I doubt it would look so stark on a graphic.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:47:24pm

re: #114 BeachDem

But, but, his fangirl at Texas Monthly said:

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I’d love to ask Erica and Abbott if they would be feeling this way if the courts were making rulings they liked. Sorry Greg and Erica just because the governor doesn’t like legalized same sex marriage and other things doesn’t mean he gets to throw a tantrum to overthrow settled federal law. Man Abbott makes Perry and Bush look good. And then I hear Patrick is even worse. Man Texas is fucked up.

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Joe Bacon Jan 8, 2016 • 1:47:44pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart

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Oops…

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2016 • 1:48:01pm

re: #90 Lidane

Meanwhile, this also happened:

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My state is clearly run by fucking *lunatics.

Send help.

*armed lunatics

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Dr Lizardo Jan 8, 2016 • 1:48:22pm

re: #117 danarchy

While I understand the sentiment in the post, the skeptic in me immediately asks why did they choose 1966 as a start point? What would this look like if adjusted for population? How does the US compare to the EU as a whole as the populations are a little more comparable?

I am pretty sure the US would still come out “ahead” but I doubt it would look so stark on a graphic.

Charles Whitman.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:48:31pm

re: #117 danarchy

While I understand the sentiment in the post, the skeptic in me immediately asks why did they choose 1966 as a start point? What would this look like if adjusted for population? How does the US compare to the EU as a whole as the populations are a little more comparable?

I am pretty sure the US would still come out “ahead” but I doubt it would look so stark on a graphic.

You want lipstick on it?

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 1:48:50pm

re: #116 Kragar

I would sign up as a volunteer driver, make sure they were all ready to go, then not show up.

Nah, I want them all there for a Moron Label Woodstuck.

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Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:48:50pm

re: #114 BeachDem

But, but, his fangirl at Texas Monthly said:

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@EricaGrieder Yes then we can talk about the 2nd Amendment and how to change it.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:49:47pm

re: #124 Tigger2

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Nah, we can do the honorable Ms. Loesch’s proposal that punishes with jail time any criticism of guns. //

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 1:50:40pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Nah, I want them all there for a Moron Label Woodstuck.

As long as they’re out of there in time for these guys:

97 ‘#Herons & #Egrets’ #Birds #Photography Gallery by David Turko: https://t.co/3J3mzp2zOh” pic.twitter.com/soOdmafBAV

— Haida Princess (@HaidaPrincess) January 8, 2016

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dholmes32 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:50:43pm

Ok, this is one of those days when I want to ship my diploma back to Klein High School, my B.A. back to the University of Texas at Austin, and my J.D. back to the University of Houston. Because I don’t wanna be connected to any of this cray cray.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 1:50:46pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I’m cautiously optimistic. I have no idea what the Republican Party is going to look like in 2020 though.

Some aspects of this are easy to predict. The GOP in 2020 will be a shit-show that will make the 2016 clowns look sane by comparison.

However, the exact form GOP insanity and malice will take a few years from now is impossible to predict.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 1:51:16pm

re: #114 BeachDem

But, but, his fangirl at Texas Monthly said:

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Just how many people telling them that you can’t set terms and restrictions on the convention does it take before they get it through their thick skulls? Or are these the sort of people who think that walking through a minefield is safe because the mines are easy to spot?

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 1:51:26pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

As long as they’re out of there in time for these guys:

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Freedom Chicken.

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 1:51:35pm

re: #124 Tigger2

So, if we get rid of the 2nd amendment, do all the others move up one number?

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:51:47pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t think anyone can say what they will look like. I think the talk of their death is greatly exaggerated. I see them as in the same position that the Democratic party was in during the 70’s. Controlling Congress, state and local governments but having a tough time with the Presidency. Took to the late eighties for the blocks to really start falling. Takes a while for a house to collapse.
Maybe they will find their Clinton to pull them back.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:53:18pm

re: #128 EPR-radar

Some aspects of this are easy to predict. The GOP in 2020 will be a shit-show that will make the 2016 clowns look sane by comparison.

However, the exact form GOP insanity and malice will take a few years from now is impossible to predict.

That’s what I mean.

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Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:53:24pm

re: #124 Tigger2

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@EricaGrieder Or hell maybe just how to do away with it all together. That should curl you wingnuts toes.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) January 8, 2016

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 1:53:53pm

re: #114 BeachDem

But, but, his fangirl at Texas Monthly said:

My reasoning is, in part: if a convention of the states is a serious prospect, we’re MUCH better off with a smart lawyer setting the terms.

— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

Well, that rules Abbott out, doesn’t it?

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Eclectic Cyborg Jan 8, 2016 • 1:54:06pm

I say we get Steve Harvey to tell Greg Abbott the convention date.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:54:21pm

re: #132 Oblongatis

I don’t think anyone can say what they will look like. I think the talk of their death is greatly exaggerated. I see them as in the same position that the Democratic party was in during the 70’s. Controlling Congress, state and local governments but having a tough time with the Presidency. Took to the late eighties for the blocks to really start falling. Takes a while for a house to collapse.
Maybe they will find their Clinton to pull them back.

Right. I think talk of death is too. I remember it was after Obama won in 2008 and that was a mistake. What is going against them is the demographic battle though.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 1:54:56pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Abbott seems to have a very big problem with how law works.

Yeah, like how he gets 290 Representatives and 67 Senators or 34 state legislatures to call for a convention.
Then, how he gets 38 state legislatures to ratify any of his nut-bag amendments, or whatever actually comes out of his proposed Constitutional Convention

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Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 1:56:10pm

re: #131 Jebediah, RBG

So, if we get rid of the 2nd amendment, do all the others move up one number?

No we just put a little black wreath in place of the number. /.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 1:57:36pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Glass needs gin.

(Not really. Ice maker is still producing funky smelling ice cubes, fridge repairman is here in about 2 hours. Hoping to get this back to normal.)

Good idea. I have not had my weekly gin and tonic yet. And there is still a bit of Camembert to eat as well.

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 1:57:59pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Agreed they have a demographics problem they have to solve in order to remain viable long term but they aren’t thinking long term right now. They feel they have enough control in the current situation to let it ride. Once they lose actual power the real navel gazing will start.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 1:59:06pm

re: #61 Tigger2

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I think that table advocates the elimination of red and white from national flags.
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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 1:59:07pm

re: #141 Oblongatis

Agreed they have a demographics problem they have to solve in order to remain viable long term but they aren’t thinking long term right now. They feel they have enough control in the current situation to let it ride. Once they lose actual power the real navel gazing will start.

Yeah it’s going to be ugly. The other thing though is unlike the Dems of the 80-’s, there’s no real internal party movement trying to modernize it like Clinton, Hart, Gore, and the other so called New Democrats did in the 80’s.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 2:02:43pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s going to be ugly. The other thing though is unlike the Dems of the 80-’s, there’s no real internal party movement trying to modernize it like Clinton, Hart, Gore, and the other so called New Democrats did in the 80’s.

Republicans aren’t interested in reality based solutions to their problems, even for such basic issues as winning elections (e.g., GOP polling in the 2012 race).

This suggests some kind of spectacular GOP crisis when the magical thinking is no longer seen to work. Hopefully this crisis doesn’t take down the US or the world with it.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 2:03:22pm

Man, 2016 is going to be such a circus

1974 #Canadian #Electors’ List Named Ted #Cruz’s Parents… https://t.co/MQysLIeIjp

— Drudge Report News (@Drudge_Report_) January 8, 2016

A document uncovered by Breitbart News indicates that the parents of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) were named on a Calgary list of electors for Canada’s federal election of July 8, 1974.

Ted Cruz’s parents are listed as “Cruz, Eleanor, Mrs.” and “Cruz, Raphael, self employed,” both at 920 Riverdale Avenue, South West in Calgary, Alberta.

Canadian law restricts (and restricted) federal voting rights to Canadian citizens.

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 2:03:32pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

There is no sanity waiting in the wings right now. But it will happen once holding onto the 20% of the angry white vote isn’t a winning strategy. At this moment it’s the only thing holding them in power.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:04:57pm

re: #146 Oblongatis

There is no sanity waiting in the wings right now. But it will happen once holding onto the 20% the angry white vote isn’t a winning strategy. At this moment it’s the only thing holding them in power.

They’re going to need an Eisenhower type. A type that will infuriate the true believers.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 2:05:05pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

Just how many people telling them that you can’t set terms and restrictions on the convention does it take before they get it through their thick skulls? Or are these the sort of people who think that walking through a minefield is safe because the mines are easy to spot?

But it will be fun, heady and not alarming!

Ok, as far as content: sign me up, @GovAbbott. I think this sounds fun, heady, and not unduly alarming. #txlege

— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

Also, it only took a few tweets until…

@JRCerasuolo like Obama?
— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:05:30pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart

Man, 2016 is going to be such a circus

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This keeps on getting weirder and weirder.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:06:18pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Republicans aren’t interested in reality based solutions to their problems, even for such basic issues as winning elections (e.g., GOP polling in the 2012 race).

This suggests some kind of spectacular GOP crisis when the magical thinking is no longer seen to work. Hopefully this crisis doesn’t take down the US or the world with it.

Right. That’s the thing. They keep on telling themselves they’re not conservative enough and that’s why they’re losing. Not that the right wing brand as is stinks to most people.

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 2:07:33pm

re: #64 Kragar

That’s the propaganda you’ve internalized talking. You lacked the critical thinking skills to see through it. @american121 @Kragar_LGF

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 8, 2016

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 2:07:43pm

re: #148 BeachDem

But it will be fun, heady and not alarming!

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Wow, a wingnut who acknowledges that the President is a lawyer. I thought they were all totally dedicated to the idea that the only job of any significance he’d ever had was “community organizer.”

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 2:07:46pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, like how he gets 290 Representatives and 67 Senators or 34 state legislatures to call for a convention.
Then, how he gets 38 state legislatures to ratify any of his nut-bag amendments, or whatever actually comes out of his proposed Constitutional Convention

Abbott’s fangirl is working on the numbers

Matt Bevin, inaugurated in December, makes 34 governors (32 Republicans, 2 independents). https://t.co/3d9w0KvASE

— EricaGrieder (@EricaGrieder) January 8, 2016

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Oblongatis Jan 8, 2016 • 2:07:59pm

As you said it will be ugly.

On the bright side I’ve started to feel just a little bit of a leftish breeze in the body politic.

Got to run. Nice chat.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:08:17pm

re: #151 No Country For Old Haters

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Can’t even be original. A COMMUNIST!.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 2:08:26pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

They’re going to need an Eisenhower type. A type that will infuriate the true believers.

That might just serve to provide a paper-thin veneer of civilization over the essential ugliness of US conservatism.

As it did the first time with Ike.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:09:28pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

That might just serve to provide a paper-thin veneer of civilization over the essential ugliness of US conservatism.

As it did the first time with Ike.

Yep. And it gave the nation Nixon.

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Joe Bacon Jan 8, 2016 • 2:10:09pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart

Man, 2016 is going to be such a circus

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Now all Rafael has to do is produce his DS2909!

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Belafon Jan 8, 2016 • 2:10:36pm

Someone needs to explain these people the convention of 1787 and how we ended up with our current constitution. It wasn’t called to create a new constitution.

Edited for clarity.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 2:11:05pm

re: #76 Jebediah, RBG

Luckily he went into a profession where that doesn’t matter…

It sure as hell required him to understand law when he was the State Attorney General.

Oh wait…it was Texas. Never mind.

(I feel for Texas LGF members…)

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 2:11:10pm

re: #86 lawhawk

Why elections matter:

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@markknoller It’s good that @SpeakerRyan is honest about wanting to hurt people. Some of these scoundrels hide what they are.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 8, 2016

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jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 2:11:58pm

re: #159 Belafon

Someone needs to explain the convention of 1787 and how we ended up with our current constitution. That wasn’t what the convention was called for.

But Abbott is a “smart Lawyer,” smarter than those Founding schlubs.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 2:12:18pm

Well-written tweet:

With proposed constitutional amendments, Texas governor tries to punch his way into national politics: https://t.co/OpVGSvjOXR #nmpol

— nmpolitics.net (@NMPoliticsnet) January 8, 2016

Well-written article, too, from the Texas Tribune.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 8, 2016 • 2:12:30pm

re: #153 BeachDem

Abbott’s fangirl is working on the numbers

Matt Bevin, inaugurated in December, makes 34 governors (32 Republicans, 2 independents)

Yeah……..
But I believe the word we’re looking for is “Legislatures”, not “Governors”….
And, I think that’s at something like 27 right now

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bratwurst Jan 8, 2016 • 2:13:16pm

You want to make sure things don’t get worse? Accept the results of the Democratic primaries and get behind the winner INSTANTLY, putting whatever bad feelings you have aside for the good of the nation and the world.

Every drop of sour grapes after the primaries are decided is a step toward a Republican picking 2 or 3 SCOTUS judges. If you want to see another Nader situation, be sure to grouse about the winner or take revenge on the supporters of the loser.

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Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 2:13:30pm

re: #153 BeachDem

Abbott’s fangirl is working on the numbers

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I think there would even be some Republican Governors that wouldn’t want to open that can of worms.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:13:31pm

The first and fourth items in Abbott’s list together would gut almost all OSHA workplace safety regulations, most EPA regulations, Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight, most of the FDA and US Public Health Service and CDC monitoring authority, the FAA’s authority to regulate intrastate transit airspace, along with the pretty much the entirety of the Voting Rights and Civil Right’s Acts. All NFA weapons laws would be gutted unless interstate transit could be proved, people could literally set up commercial hand grenade and bomb factories in many states, open to the public. Finally, the provision in Alabama’s Constitution that mandates racial segregation in public schools would again be the law of the land.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:14:30pm

re: #165 bratwurst

You want to make sure things don’t get worse? Accept the results of the Democratic primaries and get behind the winner INSTANTLY, putting whatever bad feelings you have aside for the good of the nation and the world.

Every drop of sour grapes after the primaries are decided is a step toward a Republican picking 2 or 3 SCOTUS judges. If you want to see another Nader situation, be sure to grouse about the winner or take revenge on the supporters of the loser.

I just hope that some of Sanders younger supporters (yes even younger than me) get told what happened last time the purer than thou threw a tantrum. We got Bush.

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William Lewis Jan 8, 2016 • 2:14:55pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

They’re going to need an Eisenhower type. A type that will infuriate the true believers.

What they hate and refuse to accept is that President Obama Is a new Eisenhower and is the best Republican president since Ike.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Jan 8, 2016 • 2:15:06pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I will be able to help with that.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:16:01pm

re: #170 The War TARDIS

I will be able to help with that.

Hope so. I mean. Purity tantrums get one somewhere.

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Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 2:16:33pm

There is a lot of schadenfreude to be had in watching the GOPers work their birther evil on golden boy Cruz, but Democrats and liberals should not go there.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:16:54pm

re: #169 William Lewis

What they hate and refuse to accept is that President Obama Is a new Eisenhower and is the best Republican president since Ike.

Indeed.

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 2:17:35pm

re: #160 ObserverArt

I’ve been meaning to catch you in a thread that wasn’t dead yet to let you know I was enjoying your songs that you had posted.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:17:37pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel

There is a lot of schadenfreude to be had in watching the GOPers work their birther evil on golden boy Cruz, but Democrats and liberals should not go there.

Yeah I’m not going to go there. I won’t lie and tell you I’m not somewhat enjoying it since Cruz and his asshole of a father have played with the xenophobia directed at President Obama though.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 2:18:09pm

I have Chunk of Todd on MSNBC right now. What are they talking about? C’m’on…what else?

I am convinced that should Donald Trump get elected president and then turn into the Son of Hitler our media is going to watch the whole ugly process and results occur and never say or do anything to prevent it. It might hurt their precious ratings.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:18:26pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Upon further reflection the 7 - 2 requirement would probably preserve Brown v. Board. There’s also the whole legal question of ex post facto law and how these new Amendments would interact with past decisions. The entire proposal is a grotesque mess.

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bratwurst Jan 8, 2016 • 2:20:05pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I just hope that some of Sanders younger supporters (yes even younger than me) get told what happened last time the purer than thou threw a tantrum. We got Bush.

This is my main concern, but I nearly fell out of my chair a few days ago when someone I follow on Twitter announced their intention to “troll every one of Bernie’s supporters” once Clinton locks it up.

Again, if you like the idea of President Cruz selecting 2 or 3 SCOTUS judges, be sure to do that.

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Belafon Jan 8, 2016 • 2:20:16pm

re: #169 William Lewis

What they hate and refuse to accept is that President Obama Is a new Eisenhower and is the best Republican president since Ike.

I think instead we should use Woodrow Wilson as our center. Make everyone to the left of him a Democrat.

In other words, I’m absolutely fucking tired of Democrats calling Obama a Republican.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:20:50pm

re: #178 bratwurst

This is my main concern, but I nearly fell out of my chair a few days ago when someone I follow on Twitter announced their intention to “troll every one of Bernie’s supporters” once Clinton locks it up.

Again, if you like the idea of President Cruz selecting 2 or 3 SCOTUS judges, be sure to do that.

Yeah that’s messed up too. And the idea of Ted Cruz even being able to choose 1 SCOTUS or even circuit judge makes my stomach sick.

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jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 2:24:42pm

.@tedcruz on Clinton interactions re: Benghazi: “In my house … if my daughter says something she knows to be false, she gets a spanking.”
— Patrick Svitek (@PatrickSvitek) January 8, 2016

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 2:24:55pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

The first and fourth items in Abbott’s list together would gut almost all OSHA workplace safety regulations, most EPA regulations, Nuclear Regulatory Commission oversight, most of the FDA and US Public Health Service and CDC monitoring authority, the FAA’s authority to regulate intrastate transit airspace, along with the pretty much the entirety of the Voting Rights and Civil Right’s Acts. All NFA weapons laws would be gutted unless interstate transit could be proved, people could literally set up commercial hand grenade and bomb factories in many states, open to the public. Finally, the provision in Alabama’s Constitution that mandates racial segregation in public schools would again be the law of the land.

All precisely as intended, of course. The Republican party is a cesspit of Satan, and the worthless US mainstream media simply refuses to report on this story.

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Tigger2 Jan 8, 2016 • 2:25:32pm

@JohnJHarwood @LOLGOP @TheOnion Lapierre can suck some balls, he is owned by the gun Industry, he doesn’t represent the people.— jim (@jlcoffeecup) January 8, 2016

Piss I just saw the ONION. lol I hate when that happens.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 2:26:08pm

re: #181 jaunte

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Well then, Ted, I feel sorry for your daughter, because you must spank her constantly under the mistaken belief that if you knew/believe what she said was false, then she knew/believed it as well.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 2:27:24pm

re: #181 jaunte

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Then by that standard Ted deserves to be spanked by his children a lot since he does nothing but lie. Really what a load of patronizing shit that is. Cruz can go fuck himself and I hope his daughter tells him off too.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 2:28:02pm

re: #181 jaunte

Republicans really shouldn’t talk about things being true or false. Glass houses etc.

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jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 2:28:04pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Cruz will fight anyone who uses his daughters as a political prop.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:31:33pm

.@EricaGrieder FBI wouldn’t be able to investigate terrorist plots unless the trail of activity crosses state lines. FUN! @GovAbbott

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 8, 2016

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 2:33:04pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

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Wisconsin could then change their state motto to “Guns and Cheese”!*

* - with proper apologies to Otto von Bismarck

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JP Chgo Jan 8, 2016 • 2:33:40pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

Hmm… I can’t read private comments until I’ve posted at least comments.

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 2:33:40pm

re: #179 Belafon

I think instead we should use Woodrow Wilson as our center. Make everyone to the left of him a Democrat.

In other words, I’m absolutely fucking tired of Democrats calling Obama a Republican.

Just because you’re tired of hearing it doesn’t make it not true.

On many things, such as defense and foreign policy, President Obama is more old-school Republican than today’s Republican pretenders-to-the-throne (and, frankly, so was Bill Clinton, IMO); that’s why the comparison to Ike, so it’s not a slight in my eyes. On other things, like healthcare and gun control, he’s solidly center or left-of-center.

IOW, President Obama’s pretty much straight down the middle, overall.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:35:50pm

.@EricaGrieder Texas could put Thalidomide back on the intrastate market, because who needs the FDA regulating drug safety. @GovAbbott

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 8, 2016

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Belafon Jan 8, 2016 • 2:38:57pm

re: #191 TedStriker

Just because you’re tired of hearing it doesn’t make it not true.

On many things, such as defense and foreign policy, President Obama is more old-school Republican than today’s Republican pretenders-to-the-throne; that’s why the comparison to Ike, so it’s not a slight in my eyes. On other things, like healthcare and gun control, he’s solidly center or left-of-center.

IOW, President Obama’s pretty much straight down the middle, overall.

Democratic presidents willing to get involved in conflicts: Obama, Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, FDR, Truman, Wilson. And those are off the top of my head.

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 2:39:38pm

Greg Abbott, Smart Lawyer, mucks up terrorism investigation.
rawstory.com

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:40:31pm

.@EricaGrieder With no EPA regulation of lead levels in drinking water whose to say Snyder’s administration poisoned Flint. @GovAbbott

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 8, 2016

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William Lewis Jan 8, 2016 • 2:47:44pm

re: #179 Belafon

I think instead we should use Woodrow Wilson as our center. Make everyone to the left of him a Democrat.

In other words, I’m absolutely fucking tired of Democrats calling Obama a Republican.

Sorry but Obama is a Ford/Rockefeller Republican in foriegn and economic policy. If it weren’t for GOP intransigence, he’d probably be true to form and be even more conservative than either socially. Even Truman was more progressive at heart than Obama. Obama has done what he feels he has to do, despite his inclinations and we’re fortunate for that but it doesn’t change the fact that Ike and Jerry are his soulmates.

Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it untrue.

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 2:47:46pm

NEW VIDEO! Talk box roundy, turntablism, looping, beats! https://t.co/FMyuVkwYE5 via @YouTube

— Supaman (@Supamanhiphop) January 8, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 2:48:20pm

.@Kragar_LGF It’s unfair that barefoot tots can’t find good jobs working heavy machinery. @EricaGrieder @GovAbbott pic.twitter.com/hpiVnA8AwB

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 8, 2016

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 2:49:21pm

re: #174 Jebediah, RBG

I’ve been meaning to catch you in a thread that wasn’t dead yet to let you know I was enjoying your songs that you had posted.

Thanks!

Overall, I haven’t been able to judge if the Lizard gang really liked them or not. So, a comment like yours is nice to hear.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 2:51:05pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

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But, hey, it will be “fun, heady and not unduly alarming.” So sayeth Abbott fangirl, Erica.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 2:51:45pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 2:52:43pm

National Review’s legacy is a string of fired white supremacist writers. https://t.co/GCa144wyv4 @NRO

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 8, 2016

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makeitstop Jan 8, 2016 • 2:53:29pm

My little sister posted this on Facebook. I like it.

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 2:55:19pm

re: #193 Belafon

Democratic presidents willing to get involved in conflicts: Obama, Clinton, Johnson, Kennedy, FDR, Truman, Wilson. And those are off the top of my head.

Scratch off Wilson, FDR, Truman, and (to some extent) Kennedy and Johnson…they served in the Oval Office before the conservative bigot exodus from the Democrats to the GOP and Nixon’s Southern Strategy really bore fruit, back when there really wasn’t a lot of differences between Democratic and Republican presidents in how they handled national defense and foreign policy.

After Jimmy Carter’s perceived failure in those areas during his term, any Democratic president has been and will be compared to him. Presidents Clinton and Obama have had to fight the right-wing noise machine’s insinuations that Democrats are weak on defense and foreign policy; though I don’t necessarily think that these have driven them to be as militarily aggressive as they have been, I don’t really know that to be true.

William also brought up another point I missed: President Obama has been a very business-friendly president, compared to how the rest of the party seems to lean.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 2:55:46pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Then by that standard Ted deserves to be spanked by his children a lot since he does nothing but lie. Really what a load of patronizing shit that is. Cruz can go fuck himself and I hope his daughter tells him off too.

But, God forbid a damn cartoonist making references to how he (ab)uses his kids in a political cartoon.

If anyone is going to dress his kids up in street-organ-grinder-entertainer monkey assistant costumes it is only going to be dadda Cruz!

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wrenchwench Jan 8, 2016 • 2:58:34pm

re: #196 William Lewis

Even Truman was more progressive at heart than Obama.

What do you base that on?

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 3:01:05pm

re: #204 TedStriker

…
William also brought up another point I missed: President Obama has been a very business-friendly president, compared to how the rest of the party seems to lean.

Good point. The failure of the Obama administration to go after the banks in any meaningful way after the 2008 crash is probably my biggest disappointment with Obama.

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Dave80 Jan 8, 2016 • 3:02:26pm

re: #181 jaunte

Is that a real quote? Cause if so my actual loathing of the man just increased significantly which I didn’t know was possible. What a condescending sexist asshole.

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 3:02:59pm

re: #207 EPR-radar

Good point. The failure of the Obama administration to go after the banks in any meaningful way after the 2008 crash is probably my biggest disappointment with Obama.

TBH, having just taken office in the aftermath of all of that, I don’t think that President Obama had the political capital to do more than he did at that point in time.

That said, his record since has shown him to be very, very business-friendly (or, at least, he has the perception of being so).

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William Lewis Jan 8, 2016 • 3:05:37pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

What do you base that on?

Economics. Look at the policies of both; Obama is a very big business friendly president.

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allegro Jan 8, 2016 • 3:13:55pm

Considering what he’s had to deal with I find it hard to pigeon hole Obama one way or another. He is first and foremost a pragmatic man. What can be done under current conditions as opposed to what he would do given a supportive Congress. It’s possible he wanted badly to take apart the big banks and perp walk those who were instrumental in the economic meltdown but knew it would unlikely be successful AND be at the expense of other programs like the ACA he felt were more important.

Hopefully he’ll write memoirs that answer the questions.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:14:02pm

I’d be interested to know where this mythical Intrusive Federal Government is right now. Because in my part of Texas, the single most important thing in the world, always, is gas prices. They directly affect whether it costs you $25 a week to get around, or $50. Gas prices are low right now. And I can apparently now openly tote a gun pretty much everywhere, if I was, you know, stupid.

Other than that, the biggest robbery in my paycheck comes from property insurance and internet/TV bill. The 8.25% sales tax to fund investigations into Planned Parenthood and football stadiums isn’t appreciated much either.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 3:14:08pm

re: #208 Dave80

Is that a real quote? Cause if so my actual loathing of the man just increased significantly which I didn’t know was possible. What a condescending sexist asshole.

He’s probably playing to the ‘spare the rod’ type fundies along with the people that hate the idea of a woman as president. There is no bottom to anything Cruz does. With him and TRUMP® in this race and what they are doing to all the other GOP candidates to grovel in the dirt with them, even pond scum is embarrassed.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 3:17:06pm

re: #211 allegro

Considering what he’s had to deal with I find it hard to pigeon hole Obama one way or another. He is first and foremost a pragmatic man. What can be done under current conditions as opposed to what he would do given a supportive Congress. It’s possible he wanted badly to take apart the big banks and perp walk those who were instrumental in the economic meltdown but knew it would unlikely be successful AND be at the expense of other programs like the ACA he felt were more important.

Hopefully he’ll write memoirs that answer the questions.

Probably true that Obama has an understanding of how political capital works and that he had to choose wisely on where to spend it.

I would also be curious what the analysis would be towards how the recovery would have gone if war had been declared on the big banks at the same time. And that was would still be on-going since stuff would have been dragged into the courts, verdicts appealed, etc.

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William Lewis Jan 8, 2016 • 3:17:21pm

Well, had to waste $2 today. Yes, a lotto ticket for the ridiculous jackpot on Saturday night. 1 or 1,000 tickets odds are the same - but the proverbial can’t win if you don’t play at all crept into my brain and so it goes.

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Billy Batts Jan 8, 2016 • 3:18:07pm

re: #212 Pawn of the Oppressor

What about your property taxes? In Texas, they are some of the highest in the country, but none of the R’s in Austin will ever tell you that, it would ruin the whole facade of Texas being a low-tax state. They have to get the money from somewhere all the while bullshitting their stupid, gullible base.

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Billy Batts Jan 8, 2016 • 3:18:38pm

re: #215 William Lewis

Well, had to waste $2 today. Yes, a lotto ticket for the ridiculous jackpot on Saturday night. 1 or 1,000 tickets odds are the same - but the proverbial can’t win if you don’t play at all crept into my brain and so it goes.

All you need is a dollar and a dream… Well, in your case, two dollars.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 8, 2016 • 3:19:09pm

re: #215 William Lewis

Well, had to waste $2 today. Yes, a lotto ticket for the ridiculous jackpot on Saturday night. 1 or 1,000 tickets odds are the same - but the proverbial can’t win if you don’t play at all crept into my brain and so it goes.

Heh. I did that yesterday as well though I usually ignore lottery stuff. The rest of the IT group pooled and I realized that if the proverbial lightning struck I would be royally screwed as everyone else quit. So I made a $5 protective investment.

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Billy Batts Jan 8, 2016 • 3:19:38pm

re: #212 Pawn of the Oppressor

I live in Montgomery County, the reddest, and I mean reddest county in the state, if not the country.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 3:20:12pm

re: #210 William Lewis

Economics. Look at the policies of both; Obama is a very big business friendly president.

In some ways he had to be due to the collapsed economy. It wasn’t a good time to pick an economic fight with any business. So, he may have been different on how he would have handled business and the banks, but couldn’t under the circumstances. Overall, Obama is pragmatic. And that has both cost him some and surprised others.

EDIT. Just saw Allegro’s comments on #211. Yep. Pragmatic is the word for Obama. Another reason to like him.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:22:36pm

re: #211 allegro

Hopefully he’ll write memoirs that answer the questions.

I had the same thought. As the first black President he’s probably keeping a diary for posterity knowing full well that he’s in a unique position in U.S. political history. The proliferation of social media and digital recording also means that there’s going to be a shit-ton of material to mine for future reflection. He could easily write a multi-volume set on his second term alone. It will be interesting to find out his day-to-day POV in a series he could call Behind The Noise.

I’d get a kick out of him writing a whole book on the hate he dealt with. “My Life as Satan Incarnate”, working title.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:22:39pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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Yep. And Obama’s actually been very conservative by executive order standards. NRO is just making up more and more lies for their faux intelligent readership. And you’re right, they’ve got a habit of employing white supremacists.

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Amory Blaine Jan 8, 2016 • 3:22:44pm

So Cruz admits to hitting his children?

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 3:23:35pm

re: #196 William Lewis

Sorry but Obama is a Ford/Rockefeller Republican in foriegn and economic policy. If it weren’t for GOP intransigence, he’d probably be true to form and be even more conservative than either socially. Even Truman was more progressive at heart than Obama. Obama has done what he feels he has to do, despite his inclinations and we’re fortunate for that but it doesn’t change the fact that Ike and Jerry are his soulmates.

Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it untrue.

What a load of bullocks. Do you have any evidence or argument to back up your ridiculous assertion?

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:24:57pm

re: #223 Amory Blaine

So Cruz admits to hitting his children?

I’m a bit torn on the topic of physical discipline. On the one hand, I understand how it can be perceived as barbaric and cruel. On the other hand, a lot of that is because of people who take the idea of “corporal punishment” to be equivalent to, “I’m allowed to beat the shit out of my kids whenever I want.”

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:25:13pm

In some ways, Obama is more conservative than his predecessors but in other ways I think he’s been more progressive minded. It’s hard to really say. I think what Obama has governed as may differ from what the man may actually believe. I think he’s probably more liberal than what he’s governed as but due to the GOP controlling the purse strings for much of his Presidency, he’s been limited.

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Billy Batts Jan 8, 2016 • 3:25:34pm

I did not vote for Obama in 2008, though I liked him (I was just starting to go to a 12-step wingnut recovery program). I decided to give him a shot, and after carefully watching him he totally sold me by mid-2010 because of his maturity and practical approach to problem solving. I enthusiastically supported him and voted for him (my first ever vote for a Democrat for President!!!) in 2012, and would vote for him again if he could run. He’s the type of President I always wanted, and at 44 years old, I can say he’s been the best President of my lifetime.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:26:08pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

I’m a bit torn on the topic of physical discipline. On the one hand, I understand how it can be perceived as barbaric and cruel. On the other hand, a lot of that is because of people who take the idea of “corporal punishment” to be equivalent to, “I’m allowed to beat the shit out of my kids whenever I want.”

What I hate are older people who talk about how in their day blah blah. I honestly don’t think spanking is the right way to teach a child a lesson though.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:28:25pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

What I hate are older people who talk about how in their day blah blah. I honestly don’t think spanking is the right way to teach a child a lesson though.

“Back in my day, my daddy made me cut my own switch for a whuppin’.”

Yeah, and in MY day, we call that child abuse, dumbass.

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Amory Blaine Jan 8, 2016 • 3:28:55pm

I have more sympathy for an uneducated person that doesn’t know how to get compliance from his child, but a Harvard graduate? Nah.

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calochortus Jan 8, 2016 • 3:29:12pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

What I hate are older people who talk about how in their day blah blah. I honestly don’t think spanking is the right way to teach a child a lesson though.

I think if you have a small child who does something life threatening (running out in the street, for example) a quick swat on the rear may be justified. Spanking an 8 year old for lying, not so much. Beating any child, never.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:30:15pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

“Back in my day, my daddy made me cut my own switch for a whuppin’.”

Yeah, and in MY day, we call that child abuse, dumbass.

Exactly. God I can remember my grandfather talking about his mother would discipline his siblings with a wooden spoon. Sounded awful. I mean I personally don’t think a spanker should lose custody of their children but if you seriously think physical discipline is the way to teach your children right from wrong, well I am glad like hell you’re not my parent.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 3:31:01pm

I see you’re linking to the John Birch Society now for your misleading hit pieces. You just keep getting more debased. @benshapiro

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:31:16pm

re: #230 Amory Blaine

I have more sympathy for an uneducated person that doesn’t know how to get compliance from his child, but a Harvard graduate? Nah.

Princeton actually but yes. My great grandmother who I mentioned was a peasant who came over here from Europe when she barely 20 years old.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:31:38pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

*shrug* I got the wooden spoon when I was a kid. That was for super-serious shit, though.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:32:19pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

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I’d like Benny Boy to tell me how exactly a gun is supposed to prevent a rape. If anything, a gun in the household will make it easier for the rapist to commit the act but gun fucks like Ben never consider that because they’re too busy drooling over guns.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:32:34pm

re: #216 Kid A

What about your property taxes? In Texas, they are some of the highest in the country, but none of the R’s in Austin will ever tell you that, it would ruin the whole facade of Texas being a low-tax state. They have to get the money from somewhere all the while bullshitting their stupid, gullible base.

I honestly don’t know, as I rent. I haven’t heard much about property taxes in a while - I think my ex’s father complained about them once years ago (he’s Libertarian too).

The big worry I hear from people who live in houses is schools - as in, try to live in a place where the schools aren’t shit - and day-to-day stuff. Big pay hits if the A/C or water heater craps out.

Oh, and back-to-school time, which is a horrifying yearly ritual where you resign yourself to a week of buying expensive stuff on a huge list of absurd shit like “binders” and “notebooks” and “colored pens” even though the kids do all their work on iPads… I have friends who moved to Colorado and apparently the Back To School Financial Inquisition doesn’t exist there. There’s like a $30 supply fee, instead of a $300 shopping spree. I still have not grokked why this horrible problem exists here and nowhere else that I’ve heard of, in my youth or otherwise.

The whole problem with Texas is the same as America’s big problem. Distance and bad information keeps us ignorant about how bad a shit-pile we’re in, unless we’re lucky enough to get out and see the rest of the world.

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Amory Blaine Jan 8, 2016 • 3:33:25pm

Coddle the fetus, abuse the child.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:33:35pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

*shrug* I got the wooden spoon when I was a kid. That was for super-serious shit, though.

He always called it a cunassa(probably misspelling it). I got spanked a few times when I misbehaved I won’t lie and I don’t begrudge my parents for it but these people who give children today a hard time and nostalgically talk about their own childhood just rub me the wrong way.

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brendanyc Jan 8, 2016 • 3:33:39pm

your key sentence is: “I guess this is how far right Republicans demonstrate their reverence for the US Constitution these days — by trying to gut it.”
thanks for saying out loud what keeps knocking at my head—the people claiming the loudest that they love the Constitution are the ones who cannot stand that it created and empowered a Supreme Court, and an Executive, includes many amendments beyond the Second, and so on. They HATE the Constitution, actually, but cannot—their dna and mental balance will not let them—admit this, even to themselves.

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 8, 2016 • 3:35:30pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m not going to go there. I won’t lie and tell you I’m not somewhat enjoying it since Cruz and his asshole of a father have played with the xenophobia directed at President Obama though.

Couldn’t happen to a bigger asshole than Cruz.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:36:09pm

re: #241 Big Beautiful Door

Couldn’t happen to a bigger asshole than Cruz.

Just desserts as far as I’m concerned.

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CriticalDragon1177 Jan 8, 2016 • 3:36:44pm

Charles Johnson,

Well as horrible of an idea as this is, at least Gov. Greg Abbott is trying to go about this in a legal way, instead of just pretending the supremacy clause doesn’t exist, like so many other wingnuts are doing right now. Thankfully it looks like he has about as much as a snowball’s chance in Hell of getting his constitutional convention up and running, and even less chance of passing any of these amendments via the conventional amendment process.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 3:36:58pm

This is the section of the CDC report Shapiro quoted in his typically misleading article:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).

But here’s the entire paragraph, which makes a VERY different point.

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

In other words, the section Shapiro quotes is deliberately taken out of context. Surprise.

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ausador Jan 8, 2016 • 3:41:42pm

The Breitbrats are too funny…

Big story of the day Climate Change: Lena Dunham Misleads Hillary Event Audience on Whether She Wore Jacket Outside https://t.co/oV6vXVI668

— why ask (@ausador) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:41:44pm

You know maybe if we could research guns, we could figure out some of this stuff but no the toddlers at the NRA are against that.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:42:14pm

re: #245 ausador

The Breitbrats are too funny…

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Man they’re obsessed with Lena.

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 3:42:16pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

“Back in my day, my daddy made me cut my own switch for a whuppin’.”

Yeah, and in MY day, we call that child abuse, dumbass.

You don’t live in the day you think you live in.

19 states still allow corporal punishment in school

washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 3:42:19pm

Statement from Sheriff Ward: pic.twitter.com/6fz0OenM4d

— Harney Cty. Sheriff (@HarneyCoSheriff) January 8, 2016

#OregonStandoff: An Idaho militia group has arrived to ‘secure perimeter’ & ‘prevent Waco-style situation’: https://t.co/U6aQEgOmCE

— Luke Hammill (@lucashammill) January 8, 2016

A dozen armed newbies just rolled into Burns. Say they’re here to seem as “intermediary” between cops & Bundys. Led by Redmond man @KTVZ

— Kandra Kent (@KandraKTVZ) January 8, 2016

Lots of activity at compound, group of cars heading out; Bundys (Ryan here) sticking around for now #Oregonstandoff pic.twitter.com/thmURNSr3F

— Dave Killen (@killendave) January 8, 2016

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:42:53pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Translation: We have very little information on the actual rate of defensive gun use. Which surprises me, considering that these guys tend to brag about such actions.

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calochortus Jan 8, 2016 • 3:43:35pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That should be helpful.
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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 3:44:29pm

re: #245 ausador

BREAKING! EXCLUSIVE! pic.twitter.com/x0ou4WLQjn

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:45:06pm

Jacketgate.

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calochortus Jan 8, 2016 • 3:45:11pm

re: #250 thedopefishlives

Translation: We have very little information on the actual rate of defensive gun use. Which surprises me, considering that these guys tend to brag about such actions.

Nah, they’re afraid an actual study wouldn’t support their position.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:45:32pm

Really Breitbart seek help for your obsession with Ms. Dunham. It’s not healthy.

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makeitstop Jan 8, 2016 • 3:45:36pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

*shrug* I got the wooden spoon when I was a kid. That was for super-serious shit, though.

When I was about 4, we lived on a farm next to another farm that grew tomatoes for Campbell’s Soup. I lifted some kitchen matches one day and burned down the tomato field.

I got the belt that day. Pretty much deserved it, though.

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 3:45:40pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

“Back in my day, my daddy made me cut my own switch for a whuppin’.”

Yeah, and in MY day, we call that child abuse, dumbass.

I don’t know your age ‘dope’ but in my day that story is very true.

In my neighborhood which was mixed second generation European to Russian Immigrants, poor Whites, Blacks of differing economic levels, etc. we (the neighborhood play day gang) had a Black friend named Michael Jackson.

This would have been like ‘65 or ‘66 and when Michael’s grandma called out his name so the whole damn neighborhood could hear it…the next call out from ‘gramma was “cut you a switch off the willow bush out front and get in here.” And all the kids that were his friends and played with him would hear him getting whacked.

It was never all that hard. He never showed any marks our anything. More to get him upset and crying…pyschological whacks. You’d see him later in the day or next day and he was back to being the mischievous kid he always was.

Yes. Abuse. But when you were in it and around it it was also life. So, each generation is going to have a different view as discipline of kids was all changing. I still remember adults complaining about ‘Dr. Spock’ and how he didn’t know anything and was ruining kids.

And now I try and think back, I can’t say I remember ever getting spanked by my parents. I did hear stories from my brothers about them getting spanked, but very remote. Since I was the youngest brother, I seemed to learn the ropes by what they all couldn’t get away with.

Dr. Benjamin Spock - American pediatrician

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WhatEVs Jan 8, 2016 • 3:46:21pm

re: #181 jaunte

.@PatrickSvitek So @tedcruz is now the 50 Shades of Gross guy?

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) January 8, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:47:37pm

The thing is every generation and I know my generation will do this when we’re older too is to crap on the younger generation for doing and showing the same kind of attitudes that they did. So I don’t really hate Boomers or Gen Xers for crapping on Millenials since I understand that it’s something that the WWII generation did to the Boomers and Gen Xers and it’s something that the WWI generation did to them. I do wish there would be some generational empathy though.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:48:08pm

re: #257 ObserverArt

My dad talked about having to cut his own switch. That was never something we did, and it seemed to have fallen out of vogue when I was young. Spanking and use of belts or wooden spoons was still very much a thing in the communities I lived in.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 3:48:59pm

What a creepy obsession you have with Lena Dunham. Seek help. @benshapiro

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 8, 2016

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:49:39pm

I view spankings like a disciplinary version of nuclear weapons. The possibility of their use works as a deterrent, and ideally they should only be used once or twice in living memory.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:49:40pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

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He’s jealous that he’ll never have her because he’s a right wing loser.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:50:15pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

He’s jealous that he’ll never have ~~her~~ a willing woman because he’s a right wing loser.

FTFY

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 3:50:18pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Man they’re obsessed with Lena.

She seems to be the new Rosie O’Donnell.

A different hate for a different generation.

It’s that tent thing. /

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 8, 2016 • 3:51:41pm

re: #250 thedopefishlives

Translation: We have very little information on the actual rate of defensive gun use. Which surprises me, considering that these guys tend to brag about such actions.

Someone threw out (actually I think it was Dana)… “But what of the 3 million cases where a gun saved someone???!!!”. No source was posted.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:52:05pm

re: #264 thedopefishlives

FTFY

Yep.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:52:31pm

Righties have a permanent hate boner for brunettes with short hair who don’t look like porn stars. Especially if these women express themselves in any way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 3:53:09pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

My dad talked about having to cut his own switch. That was never something we did, and it seemed to have fallen out of vogue when I was young. Spanking and use of belts or wooden spoons was still very much a thing in the communities I lived in.

Mr BWS and I are in the 60+ demographic and cutting your own switch was definitely a thing when we were growing up. If Grams didn’t approve of the quality of the willow switch you cut, she went out cut a really stout one to use instead.
I never had to worry about cutting my switch. Mr BWS on the other hand…

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:53:13pm

re: #265 ObserverArt

She seems to be the new Rosie O’Donnell.

A different hate for a different generation.

It’s that tent thing. /

Yeah she does. Really it’s beyond creepy. Even National Socialist Review Online gets in the act and they’re supposed to be the “intelligent” right wing propaganda rag.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 3:54:13pm

re: #268 Pawn of the Oppressor

Righties have a permanent hate boner for brunettes with short hair who don’t look like porn stars. Especially if these women express themselves in any way.

I swear the FNC model seems to be a blonde woman who sounds like Rush Limbaugh. There are exceptions. Andrea Tantdros is a brunette.

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calochortus Jan 8, 2016 • 3:54:45pm

We’re having a little dinner party here this evening. Must make preparations.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 3:54:55pm

re: #262 Pawn of the Oppressor

I view spankings like a disciplinary version of nuclear weapons. The possibility of their use works as a deterrent, and ideally they should only be used once or twice in living memory.

From the article in 248, above:

How many kids get hit? According to an analysis of federal data from 2009-2010, the Children’s Defense Fund reported in 2014 that 838 children were hit on average each day in public school, based on a 180-day school year, which would be 150,840 instances of corporal punishment a year — less than just a few years earlier but still a rather stunning number. African-American students and students with disabilities are disproportionately subject to corporal punishment in school, data shows.

When we moved to Alabama and our 2nd grader found out they spanked at school we talked to the teacher.

“Oh, I could never imagine spanking your sweet little (white) girl.”

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Amory Blaine Jan 8, 2016 • 3:54:57pm

My first childhood memory is my dad picking me up off the bed by my throat.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 3:55:22pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I swear the FNC model seems to be a blonde woman who sounds like Rush Limbaugh. There are exceptions. Andrea Tantdros is a brunette.

Their main criteria is that she has to be hot, because conservative women have to be hotter than liberal women. Hate to tell ‘em, but Mrs. Fish is the hottest woman alive, and she’s firmly on the left side of the aisle. ;)

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:56:31pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

I should have added that it’s a disciplinary option for the parents only, not the teachers.

I did get a kick out of the Simpsons episode where George H.W. Bush spanked Bart, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 3:57:45pm

Not a good sign. #oregonstandoff https://t.co/6MaZFHNXlJ

— Ian Kullgren (@IanKullgren) January 8, 2016

Jon Ritzheiner of the #BundyMilitia via DM: “I’m ready to die if I have to to take back our country from muslims and government over reach”

— Gordon R. Friedman (@gordonrfriedman) January 8, 2016

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Stanley Sea Toujours Jan 8, 2016 • 3:58:47pm

Meet Sparky: 1 tough bison that survived a lightning strike at Neal Smith #WildlifeRefuge ⚡ https://t.co/NJ391DwyVq pic.twitter.com/E4lFglENqu

— US Dept of Interior (@Interior) January 8, 2016

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 3:58:54pm

re: #274 Amory Blaine

My first childhood memory is my dad picking me up off the bed by my throat.

Wow. Sorry to hear that.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 3:59:02pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I swear the FNC model seems to be a blonde woman who sounds like Rush Limbaugh. There are exceptions. Andrea Tantdros is a brunette.

Imaginary Nazi Blondes are what they wish they could get. They hate on ordinary-looking women because those are the kinds of women they try to date rape. There’s no middle ground where the woman is a human being.

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makeitstop Jan 8, 2016 • 4:00:07pm

Happy 69th birthday to David Bowie. What an amazing body of work he’s produced.

Here’s an overlooked favorite. Strangely prophetic.

TIN MACHINE Under The God

Skin dance back-a-the condo
Skin heads getting to school
Beating on blacks with a baseball bat
Racism back in rule
White trash picking up Nazi flags
While you was gone, there was war
This is the west, get used to it
They put a Swastika over the door

Under the God, under the God
One step over the red line
Under the God, under the God
Ten steps into the crazy, crazy

Washington heads in the toilet bowl
Don’t see supremacist hate
Right wing dicks in their boiler suits
Picking out who to annihilate
Toxic jungle of Uzi trails
Tribesmen just wouldn’t live here
Fascist flare is fashion cool
Well, you’re dead, you just ain’t buried yet

Under the God, under the God
Under the God, under the God

As the walls came tumbling down
So, the secrets that we shared
I believed you by the palace gates
Now the savage days are here

Crazy eyed man with a shot gun
Hot headed creep with a knife
Love and peace and harmony
Love you could cut with a knife

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:00:17pm

re: #275 thedopefishlives

Their main criteria is that she has to be hot, because conservative women have to be hotter than liberal women. Hate to tell ‘em, but Mrs. Fish is the hottest woman alive, and she’s firmly on the left side of the aisle. ;)

There’s even a stupid photo meme to that. They only seem to value women for their physical attractiveness. But yes plenty of hot and beautiful women on the left side who have the added bonus of being great people too.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:07pm

re: #281 makeitstop

Happy 69th birthday to David Bowie. What an amazing body of work he’s produced.

Here’s an overlooked favorite. Strangely prophetic.

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Skin dance back-a-the condo
Skin heads getting to school
Beating on blacks with a baseball bat
Racism back in rule
White trash picking up Nazi flags
While you was gone, there was war
This is the west, get used to it
They put a Swastika over the door

Under the God, under the God
One step over the red line
Under the God, under the God
Ten steps into the crazy, crazy

Washington heads in the toilet bowl
Don’t see supremacist hate
Right wing dicks in their boiler suits
Picking out who to annihilate
Toxic jungle of Uzi trails
Tribesmen just wouldn’t live here
Fascist flare is fashion cool
Well, you’re dead, you just ain’t buried yet

Under the God, under the God
Under the God, under the God

As the walls came tumbling down
So, the secrets that we shared
I believed you by the palace gates
Now the savage days are here

Crazy eyed man with a shot gun
Hot headed creep with a knife
Love and peace and harmony
Love you could cut with a knife

Hard to believe he’s 69. Great performer. Happy Birthday, Dave.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:12pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

There’s even a stupid photo meme to that. They only seem to value women for their physical attractiveness. But yes plenty of hot and beautiful women on the left side who have the added bonus of being great people too.

Yeah, that meme is what drove my comment. Makes me so mad. Women are fascinating creatures for a lot more reasons than just looking at ‘em. The valedictorian of my college graduating class was a woman - a programmer, no less.

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Amory Blaine Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:16pm

re: #279 ObserverArt

Don’t be, it was over 4 decades ago (I’m going out to visit the old man in a couple of weeks).

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:28pm

re: #274 Amory Blaine

My first childhood memory is my dad picking me up off the bed by my throat.

Shit man, I’m sorry you had to go through that.

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:44pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ritzheimer seems to be so unstable that various threepers have been pleading with him to bail out, per YT and blog messages.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:01:46pm

LOL. Paranoia strikes deep into the hearts of abusive “conservatives.” @Nero pic.twitter.com/700LM5E8Og

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:02:34pm

re: #284 thedopefishlives

Yeah, that meme is what drove my comment. Makes me so mad. Women are fascinating creatures for a lot more reasons than just looking at ‘em. The valedictorian of my college graduating class was a woman - a programmer, no less.

I remember when Palin got nominated, Limbaugh called her Governor Babe and I remember other people calling her a GILF(Governor or Grandmother I’d Like to Fuck.) Really, these guys have no value or respect for women. What’s really sad is when the women they have echo their shit.

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:03:07pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

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Poor Milo and the other conservatives on Twitter. Paranoia is never good for the mind.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 4:03:22pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

I remember when Palin got nominated, Limbaugh called her Governor Babe and I remember other people calling her a GILF(Governor or Grandmother I’d Like to Fuck.) Really, these guys have no value or respect for women. What’s really sad is when the women they have echo their shit.

Mrs. Fish is a bit of a feminist, which is ironic coming from a severely conservative family like mine. Cracks me the hell up sometimes when this sweet little would-be wingnut cracks open a can of whup-ass on some MRA troll.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:03:33pm

Quick, get Todd Kincannon’s Twitter Gulag Defense Network on the case… oh wait. @Nero

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:03:46pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

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1st they come for the blue checkmarked…

Evening Lizards

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HappyWarrior Jan 8, 2016 • 4:04:46pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish is a bit of a feminist, which is ironic coming from a severely conservative family like mine. Cracks me the hell up sometimes when this sweet little would-be wingnut cracks open a can of whup-ass on some MRA troll.

I am amused with how insecure the MRAs really are. They can’t even handle a heroic woman protagonist without freaking out. I hate to do the real man would do this crap but a real man can handle a woman being a hero, making more than him, or choosing who she wants to date.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 4:06:38pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I am on record elsewhere calling MRAs the Biggest Bunch of Pussies In The World.

In The World, with Jeremy Clarkson pronunciation.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 4:06:52pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

I’m sure social media sites have rules against being an asshole.

Conservatives like the loathsome Milo Y. will naturally view enforcement of such rules as amounting to censorship of conservatism.

This says a lot about conservatism, actually.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:06:57pm

2nd great grandpa was part of the Union reconstruction force that camped outside of Austin.

Perhaps they left too soon.

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 4:07:25pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I am amused with how insecure the MRAs really are. They can’t even handle a heroic woman protagonist without freaking out. I hate to do the real man would do this crap but a real man can handle a woman being a hero, making more than him, or choosing who she wants to date.

Mrs. Fish, for quite some time, was able to hand me my ass in a fight. She’s a trained black belt and helped her karate school win its first sparring championship when she was still training. She is a woman with which one does not fuck, which must make me a beta male or something, I guess.///

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makeitstop Jan 8, 2016 • 4:08:05pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Hard to believe he’s 69. Great performer. Happy Birthday, Dave.

I was reading his Wiki page earlier. It’s like two miles long.

I doubt he’ll ever retire (he released a new album today!), but if he ever did he’d have an incredible legacy to look back upon.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:10:29pm

I’ve never been verified either! It’s definitely part of a dastardly anti-liberal scheme. @stevesilberman @Nero

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:10:53pm

A dark cloud passed over the sun when @Nero lost his blue checkmark. Wolves howled in the distance. Ominous portents were witnessed.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:11:18pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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This is a clear message to anyone who believes in free speech: we’re not wanted on Twitter. Time to start planning for the future.

— Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) January 8, 2016

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thedopefishlives Jan 8, 2016 • 4:11:29pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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A comet was observed during the solar eclipse.

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 8, 2016 • 4:11:51pm

Just wanted to mention one of the best parts of the very good jobs report today. African-American unemployment dropped to 8.3%; its rarely been lower. And teen African-American unemployment dropped to 23.7%, one of the lowest levels ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:12:06pm

ProTip: If you can vote on who gets rights, they don’t come from your God.

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 8, 2016

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makeitstop Jan 8, 2016 • 4:12:21pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is a clear message to anyone who believes in free speech: we’re not wanted on Twitter. Time to start planning for the future.

He can always go to that piece of crap site that Eric Son of Eric launched this week.

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:13:44pm

Oh Joy!

FREEDOM!!!

Texas allows guns into state mental health hospitals

AUSTIN — As of New Years Day, licensed gun owners in Texas have been allowed to openly carry firearms into restaurants, shops and zoos.

Add a new place to the gun-friendly list: state mental health hospitals.

Visitors to one of Texas’ 10 state mental health hospitals will be allowed to openly carry weapons into the facilities, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services.

usatoday.com

WTF?!?!?

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:14:09pm

The bandwagon is in more friendly territory tonight:

Watch LIVE: Donald Trump Holds Rally at Winthrop University (1-8-16)

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:14:38pm

I see they added some extra color behind the podium tonight.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:14:42pm

I vote “blaze of glorious maryrdom.” @Nero pic.twitter.com/JnXceaHLTE

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 4:15:33pm

re: #276 Pawn of the Oppressor

I should have added that it’s a disciplinary option for the parents only, not the teachers.

I did get a kick out of the Simpsons episode where George H.W. Bush spanked Bart, though.

TBH, the little bastard probably did deserve a spanking from the 41st President of the United States.

///

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:15:52pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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How we be sure that that is the real @nero tweeting without the blue checkmark?

It may be an impostor, we should report him.

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ausador Jan 8, 2016 • 4:16:34pm

Petty and petulant, everything you could ask for in a President…

The announcer at @realDonaldTrump rally just dedicated a song to President Obama: “Big Girls Don’t Cry.”

— Jeff Zeleny (@jeffzeleny) January 8, 2016

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:18:01pm

Protester instructions … now has a face.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 4:18:33pm

re: #313 ausador

Trump as POTUS could probably blunder his way into World War III.

Versus the UK.

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 4:18:33pm

re: #274 Amory Blaine

My first childhood memory is my dad picking me up off the bed by my throat.

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Blind Frog Belly White Jan 8, 2016 • 4:19:19pm

re: #313 ausador

Petty and petulant, everything you could ask for in a President…

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So, on the one hand, Obama is a weak girly-man who cries over little stuff like dead kids, and on the other he’s a cold, unfeeling, manipulative bastard who faked crying about dead kids.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:19:50pm

better stream..

COMING UP: Donald Trump Rally in New Hampshire

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:20:33pm

… never has opera music been so abused…

… well, since the 1930’s…

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:21:44pm

“…the package is you, but maybe it’s in the form of me…”

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 4:22:11pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

So, on the one hand, Obama is a weak girly-man who cries over little stuff like dead kids, and on the other he’s a cold, unfeeling, manipulative bastard who faked crying about dead kids.

Facts and logic are irrelevant. The Party just needs to show an image of Obama’s face, and the Two Minutes Hate will follow.

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Decatur Deb Jan 8, 2016 • 4:22:12pm

re: #309 freetoken

I see they added some extra color behind the podium tonight.

Guys just stopped by on the way to Maine.

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Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 4:23:02pm

re: #224 gocart mozart

What a load of bullocks. Do you have any evidence or argument to back up your ridiculous assertion?

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:24:58pm

References Fox polls…

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WhatEVs Jan 8, 2016 • 4:25:12pm

re: #268 Pawn of the Oppressor

Righties have a permanent hate boner for brunettes with short hair who don’t look like porn stars. Especially if these women express themselves in any way.

Didnt Dunham do the First Time video for Obama in 2008? IIRC, that’s why they hate her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:26:21pm

The Western States Sheriffs’ Association released a statement regarding the Harney County situation. #WSSA pic.twitter.com/ncIfVzolFH

— Nat Sheriffs’ Assoc (@NationalSheriff) January 9, 2016

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ObserverArt Jan 8, 2016 • 4:27:01pm

re: #318 freetoken

better stream..

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Is better stream an oxymoron when in the context of Trump coverage???

..and with that thought…back to jammin’ Friday. The Holidays on Friday nights is ova’!

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b_sharp Jan 8, 2016 • 4:27:12pm

re: #274 Amory Blaine

My first childhood memory is my dad picking me up off the bed by my throat.

I got picked up and thrown into the wall a few times.

329

freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:28:00pm

This is the latest Reuters data which Trump references:

polling.reuters.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 8, 2016 • 4:28:19pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

They’re not purging conservatives. They’re purging TOS recidivists. That’s something that’s lost on the self-hating Milo.

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Targetpractice Jan 8, 2016 • 4:29:28pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But sheriffs are the only lawful authority in America! Why are they not supporting us in our fight against the tyrannical government thugs?!

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TedStriker Jan 8, 2016 • 4:31:13pm

re: #307 b.d.

Oh Joy!

FREEDOM!!!

usatoday.com

WTF?!?!?

Nothing’s gonna go wrong there, right?

333

freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:31:32pm

What Trump won’t tell his audience is that same Fox poll shows Cruz starting to pull ahead of Trump in Iowa.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:32:47pm

“I was kidding” - about the coats.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jon Ritzheimer is so full of shit, his teeth are brown.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:34:16pm

Donald Trump at South Carolina rally: “Look at the media … Miserable people.”

— Ryan Beckler (@RyanBeckler) January 9, 2016

Donald Trump praises Alabama’s football team in South Carolina, comment gets booed.

— Colin Campbell (@BKcolin) January 9, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:34:37pm

6K+ supporters at Trump’s Rock Hill,SC event. Room for more, but I’m told fire marshal is giving campaign trouble. pic.twitter.com/wEmgNuGAnu

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) January 9, 2016

Donald Trump in Rock Hill, SC: “Fire marshal, wherever the hell you are, we love you.”

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) January 9, 2016

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Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 4:35:14pm

More from the Eisenhower Republicans. The first is all but unbelievable today.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:37:17pm

just a tiny monkey getting combed with a toothbrush 🐒💕 pic.twitter.com/s19Ra9kNR2

— Baby Animal Vids (@BabyAnimalVids) December 24, 2015

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 8, 2016 • 4:37:38pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

@Nero your glorious martyrdom will be so pommie-ass lame it won’t be a bang, but a mewling kittenish whimper-like yer Breitfart articles.

— Eric The Fruit Bat (@ericdafruitbat) January 9, 2016

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retired cynic Jan 8, 2016 • 4:37:46pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mr BWS and I are in the 60+ demographic and cutting your own switch was definitely a thing when we were growing up. If Grams didn’t approve of the quality of the willow switch you cut, she went out cut a really stout one to use instead.
I never had to worry about cutting my switch. Mr BWS on the other hand…

Yep. My grandfather preferred a spirea twig. Ooooh, that would sting. It only happened to me once, and I didn’t care to risk that again.

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EPR-radar Jan 8, 2016 • 4:38:30pm

re: #338 Shiplord Kirel

Republican dogma failed so badly in the Great Depression that they spent decades pretending to care about labor, while shanking unions in the back at every opportunity (e.g., Taft-Hartley).

Now they no longer bother with the mask.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:39:43pm

One must admit LePage has elevated assholery to a level far past the extraordinary and into a rarified sphere that might be termed divine.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) January 8, 2016

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 4:41:20pm

First they came for weird self-hating far right racist hacks, but I didn’t say anything because fuck those people. pic.twitter.com/WYXPsDLdKO

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:43:18pm

re: #344 Charles Johnson

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Just because:

I’ve been sat on the naughty table! pic.twitter.com/2ppJ3X4J62

— Milo Yiannopoulos (@Nero) January 8, 2016

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Belafon Jan 8, 2016 • 4:44:13pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel

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Love that picture, but I don’t think he presided over that tax increase, and the highway system was built for military reasons. We evolved it into the car system we had today.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:45:42pm

Still on the savior-with-a-gun schtick…. he’ll run with this one forever.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 4:46:08pm

#JeSuisMilo pic.twitter.com/THMXmIPMxd

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 9, 2016

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:48:12pm

re: #346 Belafon

Love that picture, but I don’t think he presided over that tax increase, and the highway system was built for military reasons. We evolved it into the car system we had today.

He did sign Public Law 83-591 in August 1954, which turned the tax code a separate title of the US Code of Laws, and explicitly reaffirmed that 91% tax rate.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:48:55pm

Lots of old material here… “ISIS flag on cell phone” etc.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:49:06pm

He needs new material.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 4:50:14pm

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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Quick, get Todd Kincannon’s Twitter Gulag Defense Network on the case… oh wait.

Hey, that’s what brought me to LGF—your laughing at those twits.

Memories (from a post I wrote elsewhere in 2013):

TWITTER GULAG!!!! From what I can gather, it began with a bunch of right wing tweeters spamming other peoples’ Twitter accounts, in violation of Twitter’s Terms of Service, and having their accounts temporarily blocked.

That’s right, Twitter—a private enterprise offering a free service, exercised their ability to make users follow the rules. Period. Paragraph.

Enter Michelle Malkin’s Twitchy (could she be any more melodramatic?)

The Left wants to wear down conservatives until they crawl away defeated, tails between their battered and bloody legs. Silencing the Right is not enough; they want conservatives to disappear from the public sphere. We hope these Twitter vigilantes aren’t holding their breath—conservatives don’t retreat, we reload.

Suddenly, this became the biggest infringement on human rights the world had ever known. Suddenly, right wing tweeters were being persecuted and tortured beyond anything previously known to man.

Twitter Gulag prompted dramatic tweets like:

Free @mark85nh from #twittergulag . A Great Conservative that is targeted by the twitter nazis.

Inside the most extreme #Gulag in the #TwitterGulag where not freedom of expresion applies, is our @twitter friend @BranceLong #TGDN10 #Evil

And of course, messages such as:

In honor of #truth warrior just taken down to #twittergulag @charlewar YES OBAMA IS A #MUSLIM LIAR! There, reply on record.

Mutual Assured Destruction kept the peace in the Cold War; it will work in the Twitter Wars.

I’m back in the Gulag! I sent a couple of sarcastic tweets toward @Toure, Now I’m in Siberia.

I was just speaking with another about how we might begin to play by their rules—draw first blood, implement first strike

They seem to mostly blame Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs (they “gathered intel” and everything!) for this dastardly plot, although it appears to me that Charles spends most of his time laughing at them.

And then came #TGDN—The TWITTER GULAG DEFENSE NETWORK. Started by slick operative, Todd Kincannon, a former South Carolina (of course) Republican Party Executive Director.

Then Todd tried to raise money to “maintain the hashtag” (Never quite understood what $ was needed for that.) Then, he claimed that someone has gone to the Columbia, SC police department to try to have him arrested and that they “swatted” his old office address or something. And then tried to grift money for a TGDN legal defense fund.

GOOD TIMES!

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:50:45pm

I suspect campaign fatigue.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:51:11pm

nothing new so far, other than the “just kidding” about the coats bit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:51:18pm

Trump campaign staffer (in beige jacket) just took away this guy’s “Trump likes Nickelback” sign. pic.twitter.com/VcIt6I4vgl

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) January 9, 2016

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:51:23pm

re: #353 freetoken

I suspect campaign fatigue.

Fatigued before he reaches the starting line! Yeah, there’s some great stamina for you!

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:54:05pm

re: #356 Brian J.

… performers often run old material into the ground. I guess it’s the nature of the beast.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:54:17pm

Rowdy crowd now booing again…

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 4:55:08pm

re: #308 freetoken

The bandwagon is in more friendly territory tonight:

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Sigh. Just a few short months ago, Winthrop was the site of the very civilized Dem Forum with Rachel Maddow. What a difference.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 4:56:01pm

Trump says that if #ParisAttacks happened in gun-loving South Carolina, “you’d have bullets going two ways.”

— Anthony Zurcher (@awzurcher) January 9, 2016

good freaking grief.

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Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 4:56:34pm

re: #342 EPR-radar

Republican dogma failed so badly in the Great Depression that they spent decades pretending to care about labor, while shanking unions in the back at every opportunity (e.g., Taft-Hartley).

Now they no longer bother with the mask.

Taft-Hartley passed during the Truman administration but union growth continued for many years thereafter. Truman vetoed it, but only 71 House Democrats voted to sustain the veto vs. 106 who voted to override. Senate Democrats voted 22-20 to sustain. Anti-union agitation was a bi-partisan effort in those days.

362

freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 4:56:59pm

Trump needs the so-called protesters to break up his stale material.

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:57:24pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freaking grief.

And even more random bystanders as casualties because those bullets will keep going until they embed themselves in people or other objects, but hey! Gotta break some eggs for a dead Mooslim omelet.

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 4:59:45pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just because:

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Isn’t it time for @nero and the rest of the conservatives to leave and start their own conservative version of Twitter like they did with Wikipedia and Conservapedia?

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:01:50pm

re: #364 b.d.

Isn’t it time for @milo and the rest of the conservatives to leave and start their own conservative version of Twitter like they did with Wikipedia and Conservapedia?

ClutchingPearls-apedia?

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:01:51pm

re: #361 Shiplord Kirel

Taft-Hartley passed during the Truman administration but union growth continued for many years thereafter. Truman vetoed it, but only 71 House Democrats voted to sustain the veto vs. 106 who voted to override. Senate Democrats voted 22-20 to sustain. Anti-union agitation was a bi-partisan effort in those days.

Keep in mind that these were the Dixiecrat Days, and that all but one of the Democratic Senators voting to override were from the Confederate states or then-conservative Maryland.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 8, 2016 • 5:03:03pm

Wait, how do we know THIS isn’t him now! Without verification, who can tell! https://t.co/x7SkoVDGXm

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 9, 2016

Why, it looks like some faggyity fag fag has taken over my account! Dont be fooled, I am the real Nero!
— Milo Yiannopoulos (@therealtruenero) January 9, 2016

Let me prove it: Those hunky super masculine #gamergate blokes will stop all the icky girls from ruing video games with their vaginas!
— Milo Yiannopoulos (@therealtruenero) January 9, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 5:04:14pm

re: #364 b.d.

Isn’t it time for @milo and the rest of the conservatives to leave and start their own conservative version of Twitter like they did with Wikipedia and Conservapedia?

Milo Y. is @nero. @milo is some other guy.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 8, 2016 • 5:04:52pm

re: #364 b.d.

Isn’t it time for @milo and the rest of the conservatives to leave and start their own conservative version of Twitter like they did with Wikipedia and Conservapedia?

He doesn’t want to do that, because it’s about being able to harass and bully those who disagree with you as much as it is talking to like-minded people.

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Ace-o-aces Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:19pm

re: #364 b.d.

Isn’t it time for @milo and the rest of the conservatives to leave and start their own conservative version of Twitter like they did with Wikipedia and Conservapedia?

Oh conservapedia has long lost any legitimacy it had among even the nuttiest of the wing nuts. It’s just a blog for Andy Schlafly’s weird obsessions now.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:34pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freaking grief.

Please, please let him not mention the Charleston church shootings. Please.

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:35pm

re: #368 goddamnedfrank

Milo Y. is @nero. @milo is some other guy.

Thanks, corrected.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:39pm

“The Persians are great negotiators”.

File under What Stereotype?

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:40pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good freaking grief.

Bullets would probably be going in all directions.

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ausador Jan 8, 2016 • 5:05:58pm

Not a bad read.

“Libertarian Fairy Tales: The Bundy Militia’s Revisionist History in Oregon” @zunguzungu in PSMAG -worth your time https://t.co/gs40SPdG1i

— Patrick Blanchfield (@PatBlanchfield) January 8, 2016

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Stanley Sea Toujours Jan 8, 2016 • 5:06:32pm

A Muslim woman just got escorted out of Trump rally….she didn’t seem to be saying anything. Unclear why she was escorted out.
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) January 9, 2016

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:07:38pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea Toujours

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To quote from Armageddon, “I’ll give you three guesses, but you’re only gonna need one.”

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:07:50pm

re: #373 freetoken

“The Persians are great negotiators”.

File under What Stereotype?

Has he started quoting history from the movie 300 yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 5:08:02pm

…

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 8, 2016 • 5:08:15pm

When will @Nero wind up in the #TwitterGulag with Chuck C. Johnson ? (#JeSuisNero ? Yer joking, right?)

— Eric The Fruit Bat (@ericdafruitbat) January 9, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Jan 8, 2016 • 5:08:43pm

#JeSuisMilo pic.twitter.com/lYbyhfQXfQ

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 9, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 5:10:29pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Wonder if that’s the one who was sitting next to the guy with the Nickleback sign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 5:11:18pm

Sometimes Trump sounds like Tony Soprano: “The old days were different. I loved [football coach] Vince Lombardi.” What about Gary Cooper?

— Anthony Zurcher (@awzurcher) January 9, 2016

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Shiplord Kirel Jan 8, 2016 • 5:12:25pm

It’s worth noting, however, that the Eisenhower brand of Republicanism was pretty much a 2 term phenomenon, at least as far as the White House was concerned. Ike himself was very much an outsider, though one of such stature that the establishment had little choice but to accept him.
There had been speculation at least since D-Day that Ike would run for president but there was uncertainty about which party he would choose right up to the beginning of the 1952 campaign. He finally threw in with the Republicans and defeated establishment stalwart Robert Taft (of Taft-Hartley fame) for the nomination.
After Eisenhower came his protege Nixon, who was much closer to establishment thinking, and the long slide to the southern strategy and on into the utter madness we see today.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:12:45pm

“… we have third world countries with better educational system than us …”

But he never gives an example of that.

Because he can’t.

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:13:04pm

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Vince Lombardi died in 1970 and Gary Cooper died in 1961.

Nice target audience you’re going for there Donald.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:13:36pm

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel

It was the healing period from WWII, too, and I think too many people don’t really think about what that had to mean for the US.

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Stanley Sea Toujours Jan 8, 2016 • 5:13:56pm

The Muslim woman I tweeted about earlier just stood up along with a man as Trump talked about Syrian refugees. She was escorted out.
— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) January 9, 2016

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 5:14:21pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

@Nero You should move to libertarian paradise Galt’s Gulch, Chile where the Twitters and the sheep are friendly. https://t.co/CWtnsA8qV1

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) January 9, 2016

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 5:14:23pm

re: #386 b.d.

Vince Lombardi died in 1970 and Gary Cooper died in 1961.

Nice target audience you’re going for there Donald.

Particularly since he’s at a college.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:14:32pm

“…there’s no banker that knows banking like me…”

No kidding. Any banker that did what Trump espouses would be out of work and probably in jail.

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:15:20pm

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel

It’s worth noting, however, that the Eisenhower brand of Republicanism was pretty much a 2 term phenomenon, at least as far as the White House was concerned. Ike himself was very much an outsider, though one of such stature that the establishment had little choice but to accept him.
There had been speculation at least since D-Day that Ike would run for president but there was uncertainty about which party he would choose right up to the beginning of the 1952 campaign. He finally threw in with the Republicans and defeated establishment stalwart Robert Taft (of Taft-Hartley fame) for the nomination.
After Eisenhower came his protege Nixon, who was much closer to establishment thinking, and the long slide to the southern strategy and on into the utter madness we see today.

Taft died only six months after Ike was inaugurated.

Ike had his own Southern strategy, Operation Dixie, but it went after the urbanizing and more liberal Southerners and transplants that became much more numerous after WWII. It was quite effective, winning four Confederate states for Ike in ‘52 and five in ‘56. Nixon sustained some of those gains, helped by the fact that many Southerners wouldn’t vote for a Catlick like JFK… but then came AuH2O and the GOP’s embrace of racism.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:17:19pm

Praises Abe again… saying Abe is the best one “they’ve” had in “50 years”.

Yup, Trump said that again.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:17:47pm

Probably not a really great idea to use Facebook to attack the federal judge presiding over the case against you, right before he’s scheduled to make a ruling. But that’s our boy Chucky!

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 5:19:14pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

@JDiamond1 This is strange because Trump seems like exactly the type of guy who would like Nickelback.
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) January 9, 2016

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Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 5:19:21pm

re: #389 gocart mozart

@gocartmozart1 @Nero GOP Chile Dogs
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 9, 2016

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:21:08pm

Kind of a light speech…

I do wonder if Trump has peaked. The Iowa polls seem to suggest he has.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:21:48pm

Even for repeating his old material, it seemed sort of light.

I wonder how “high energy” Trump really is.

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Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 5:22:54pm

@JDiamond1 Thinner skin than an onion, and just as bitter
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 9, 2016

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 8, 2016 • 5:24:05pm

re: #380 Eric The Fruit Bat

Seems the pommie bastard has me muted-I’m not showing up on his timeline.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:24:24pm

re: #399 Great White Snark

Trump has never had to face a real protest against him. All that we’ve seen so far are onesies.

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BeachDem Jan 8, 2016 • 5:25:39pm

re: #398 freetoken

Even for repeating his old material, it seemed sort of light.

I wonder how “high energy” Trump really is.

Well, we know he has more stamina and strength than Hillary, because he told us he did. (It wasn’t ON HIS HAT, but it could’ve been!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 5:26:42pm

Forty-five minutes into Donald Trump’s rally in SC tonight and the floor still hasn’t filled in. pic.twitter.com/cDh3dU09IM

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) January 9, 2016

Remember, dear Twitter followers, Trump’s campaign asked his supporters to move out of the stands and fill the floor. That didn’t happen.

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) January 9, 2016

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bratwurst Jan 8, 2016 • 5:27:50pm

re: #397 freetoken

Kind of a light speech…

I do wonder if Trump has peaked. The Iowa polls seem to suggest he have.

At what point are we going to accept that evangelicals have a huge leg up in Iowa that they don’t enjoy elsewhere? I would have thought Huckabee and Santorum winning the last two caucuses there would have convinced everyone that this contest is just not real relevant to the nation as a whole.

Yes, Trump is not likely to top Cruz there with his scary strong ground game and evangelical love. While I would like to see Trump go away tomorrow, a second place finish there is not even going to slow him down. People keep repeating “Trump is done after Iowa” like a mantra. All I can say is:

Aerosmith - Dream On

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ausador Jan 8, 2016 • 5:28:42pm

It is all starting to make sense now…

I actually control @realDonaldTrump from behind closed doors.

— Tila Tequila (@AngelTilaLove) January 9, 2016

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 8, 2016 • 5:29:08pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson
The old boy has gone craycray…..

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 5:30:25pm

#StarWars #MashUp 👌 pic.twitter.com/ePIRe98FgY

— Calvin and Hobbes (@Calvinn_Hobbes) January 9, 2016

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 8, 2016 • 5:33:04pm

re: #375 ausador

Mmmmm actual history, delicious. That’s what I’ve been looking for.

A branch of my family moved west from Pennsylvania after the Civil War and eventually ended up in far west Oklahoma, where one offshoot actually homesteaded on land taken from ranchers who had - surprise - basically failed as an enterprise.

Open-range cattle ranching failed very quickly, too, as a phenomenon. It apparently lasted maybe one or two generations as a viable industry and if I recall correctly it was actually an act pushed by the President that forced Oklahoma ranchers to give up their lands for settlement. There was about a 10-15 year period with all kinds of back-and-forth attempts to compromise with the ranchers before CINC said “Fuck this, you people are done, your land is now open for farmers” and with that act of FEDURL TYRRUNY, the matter was settled, and my 4th cousins once removed were soon after photographed on a little farm out in the middle of goddamned nowhere.

This conflict is nothing new. Ranchers have been dicks since the beginning. ;)

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danarchy Jan 8, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

re: #407 gocart mozart

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some of us haven’t seen the movie yet. Someone had already spoiled this for me, so no big deal, but a spoiler tag may be in order.

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 5:33:36pm

@Green_Footballs @Nero Toning things down is for girly men and liberal pansies. I real man would double down. Martydom! Martydom! Martydom!
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) January 9, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 8, 2016 • 5:34:17pm

jeebus…

Maybe Hillary Clinton should apologize for this? pic.twitter.com/We14Q7Ia5g

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) January 9, 2016

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Brian J. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:35:25pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…

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Bernie’s going for the Trump vote.

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gocart mozart Jan 8, 2016 • 5:35:39pm

re: #409 danarchy

I haven’t seen the movie either, what was the spoiler? Are there snowmen in the new Star Wars?

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b.d. Jan 8, 2016 • 5:35:55pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…

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Bernie really has run a pretty lousy campaign. I’m disappointed, I was hoping for better.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:36:07pm

re: #404 bratwurst

I would have thought Huckabee and Santorum winning the last two caucuses there would have convinced everyone that this contest is just not real relevant to the nation as a whole.

Iowa is relevant for the Democrats.

And for whoever does become President, if one looks at the past 4 decades one sees that usually whoever ends up being President did win their party’s caucus in Iowa.

The nature of our political system dictates that a great deal of time is spent courting the relatively small population states.

Perhaps life would be better if we had a Constitutional amendment that forbade campaign expenditures 90 days before the election, but that will no more happen then the same Constitution being changed to make the US more democratic in the representation in Congress.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Jan 8, 2016 • 5:36:32pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huh?

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:37:25pm

@f_cevert The planet where I very publicly renounced the right wing almost 10 years ago. Try to keep up.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Jan 8, 2016 • 5:38:17pm

re: #409 danarchy

When the US Olympic hockey team beat the Soviets in 1980, the game was on tape delay. My brother had my father totally convinced they blew it until about the last 10 seconds.

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freetoken Jan 8, 2016 • 5:40:30pm

Meanwhile, in America:

Powerball jackpot hits $800 million

The State of California directs me to “believe” that I can win this.

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:40:42pm

@f_cevert See, now you’ve damaged my tender self-esteem. Somehow I’ll try to find the strength to go on.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 5:41:00pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

neocohens?

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:41:30pm

re: #421 jaunte

neocohens?

Inorite?

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Skip Intro Jan 8, 2016 • 5:41:34pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

What journalist is he referring to?

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 5:41:53pm

re: #389 gocart mozart

@Nero It turns out that most businesses don’t want creeps to tarnish the reputation of their services. Build Creeper, by and for creeps.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 9, 2016

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danarchy Jan 8, 2016 • 5:44:05pm

re: #413 gocart mozart

I haven’t seen the movie either, what was the spoiler? Are there snowmen in the new Star Wars?

You asked for it. Star Wars spoiler ahead.

Click to Reveal

Kylo Ren is Han and Leia’s son

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jaunte Jan 8, 2016 • 5:44:51pm

Trump campaign staffer (in beige jacket) just took away this guy’s “Trump likes Nickelback” sign. pic.twitter.com/VcIt6I4vgl

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) January 9, 2016

They’re so strict.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Jan 8, 2016 • 5:44:59pm

I don’t know if anybody saw any of this
philly.com
“While not classifying the shooting as a terrorist attack, police said Friday that the man arrested after shooting and wounding a police officer in an ambush in West Philadelphia Thursday night confessed he acted ‘in the name of Islam.’”

All I can think of is the guy in Pulp Fiction who came out shooting at Jules and Vincent and missed.

428

Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:45:18pm

You may have seen this already, but I’m posting it again because I love reading it so much. pic.twitter.com/toGIdDEFeQ

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 9, 2016

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bratwurst Jan 8, 2016 • 5:45:39pm

re: #418 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

When the US Olympic hockey team beat the Soviets in 1980, the game was on tape delay. My brother had my father totally convinced they blew it until about the last 10 seconds.

Crazy thing is that is wasn’t on tape delay due to being played in a different time zone, it was in upstate NY!

You can sort of understand the fact that the sport was not very popular and the US team wasn’t given a chance (for good reason!)…but you might think just the Cold War intrigue alone would have been enough to shift it to prime time.

Oh well…at least the gold medal game was shown live on a Sunday afternoon.

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Mattand Jan 8, 2016 • 5:45:39pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

Probably not a really great idea to use Facebook to attack the federal judge presiding over the case against you, right before he’s scheduled to make a ruling. But that’s our boy Chucky!

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I’m gonna be that guy: CCJ is going to get off with a slap on the wrist. I hope I’m wrong, but it just seems like if he were really pissing of the US judicial system as thoroughly as he supposedly is, there’d be a fucking smoking crater in a courtroom by now.

Justice grinds fine and slow and all that, and Lord knows I’m not a legal expert. It just seems like if he were really that much of a loose cannon, these judges would have made an example of him long ago.

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 5:47:19pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

@f_cevert Welcome back Rip Van Winkle! Check out cellular phones and Virtual Reality, they’re whole new things since when you fell asleep.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 9, 2016

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Jan 8, 2016 • 5:48:29pm

re: #429 bratwurst

I just asked him. He said he told our father it was on delay and that the Russians actually won. My dad had come in to watch the last few minutes.

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ausador Jan 8, 2016 • 5:50:58pm

That’s going to leave a mark…

.@PressSec on Rubio: “My guess is he gets most of his news about what’s happening in Congress from the newspaper.”

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) January 8, 2016

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 8, 2016 • 5:51:07pm

re: #430 Mattand

Yup. I think he will just be told to go home.

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 5:51:51pm

I get the feeling he’s a very dishonest person

@f_cevert So you said something false about @Green_Footballs and when corrected, your response is more hate? Therapy can help you.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 9, 2016

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Charles Johnson Jan 8, 2016 • 5:56:43pm

I love it when I make a rather large change in a complex section of code and it works perfectly in the first test. Football spike. Fist pump.

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John_Manyjars Jan 8, 2016 • 5:57:42pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

A lot of us said that before Bush v. Gore….

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Stanley Sea Toujours Jan 8, 2016 • 5:58:12pm

Check the video. It’s horrible.

Woman escorted from #Trump rally says she wanted to show his supporters what a Muslim looks like @jeffzeleny reports https://t.co/EFAxp0yMZO

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) January 9, 2016

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Barefoot Grin Jan 8, 2016 • 6:00:54pm

re: #435 No Country For Old Haters

I get the feeling he’s a very dishonest person

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No one is more loathed than the perceived heretic. I learned about LGF during the Dan Rather debacle. Even then it didn’t seem wingnut. But I so wanted the Rather story to be true that I checked out. Then, a few years later it hit my radar and I thought, “cool, but I don’t need to be reading one more thing while I’m trying to finish my diss.” Then, a few months ago, it kept showing up for some reason on FB or other places. I have to admit that I really didn’t know the back story. Now I rue the day I found it again. Its format is kind of addictive, no?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Jan 8, 2016 • 6:01:48pm

re: #436 Charles Johnson

Ajkhhv fgvvvvvvvv[f aosidfh cnpao.

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No Country For Old Haters Jan 8, 2016 • 6:04:27pm

@SaoirseMajella And @Nero built a grandiose fantasy around it. Kook behaves poorly, kook gets shown the door, kook pretends to suffer.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 9, 2016

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Bubblehead II Jan 8, 2016 • 6:11:38pm

re: #409 danarchy

some of us haven’t seen the movie yet. Someone had already spoiled this for me, so no big deal, but a spoiler tag may be in order.

Why? If you followed the SW universe that Disney just wiped out you would have known that Jacen Solo was Darth Vader’s grandson. And like DV had a thing for princesses/queens.

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Great White Snark Jan 8, 2016 • 6:15:00pm

re: #438 Stanley Sea Toujours

Muslims can’t live well in Trumps America. It would be a lot like Germany in the 30’s with popular disdain, prejudice low/mid level harassment. Some tragedies. As amplified by modern media, it’s unconscionable. Simply must not happen.

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withak Jan 8, 2016 • 6:20:03pm

re: #436 Charles Johnson

That always makes me more nervous…

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 6:29:48pm

re: #439 Barefoot Grin

“cool, but I don’t need to be reading one more thing while I’m trying to finish my diss.”

Finishing your diss? How long does it take to tell someone they suck?

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Barefoot Grin Jan 8, 2016 • 6:56:51pm

re: #445 Jebediah, RBG

Finishing your diss? How long does it take to tell someone they suck?

Ha! good point. May also explain my lame dissertation.

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Jebediah, RBG Jan 8, 2016 • 7:09:46pm

re: #446 Barefoot Grin

I’ve never done a dissertation, but I understand that while defending it one can feel dissed…

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sagehen Jan 8, 2016 • 10:03:48pm

re: #323 Shiplord Kirel

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He didn’t send Marshals to enforce civil rights; he sent the 101st Airborne.

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Areopagitica Jan 8, 2016 • 10:37:57pm

So the party of Texas wackjobs that claims to represent the purity of the founding fathers and their “original intent” wants to actually push an agenda that reinstates the concept of the articles of confederation that Madison, Jay, Hamilton and others wanted to do away with when they decided to draft the constitution and pen that series of pamphlets called The Federalist Papers? Makes sense to me…. How exactly did these folks get to be so stupid? Is it the drinking water?

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