Donald Trump on Megyn Kelly: “Average in Every Way, Who the Hell Wants to Woo Her?”

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Donald Trump, the leading candidate for president in the GOP field, denies that he’s a racist, denies that he’s a bigot, denies that he’s a woman-hating misogynist. And yet, he tweets blatantly racist fake statistics from neo-Nazis and ugly comments like this:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:46:23pm

Who would want anything to do with this bitter old chode if he weren’t worth billions?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:47:08pm

I don’t even like or respect Megyn Kelly but the way Trump talks about her and other women is digusting. Trump’s a sexist pig so of course he’s loved by Republican voters.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:48:24pm

A man as thin skinned and petty as Trump has no place being Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:51:43pm

And that’s the least objectionable thing Trump’s directed her way so far this campaign season.

Pitiful, considering that he’s already shown himself to be a raging misogynist time and time again.

As a reminder:

Donald Trump on Megyn Kelly: ‘There was blood coming out of her…….. wherever (VIDEO)’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:51:46pm

For someone who puts such a premium on how “attractive” someone is in relation to how successful they should be in life, Donald Trump has absolutely no sense of irony.
He is one of most physically repulsive people I’ve ever seen.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:52:08pm

This may be the one thing that separates Trump from the other Republicans: He’s the only one that would badmouth FOX.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:52:13pm
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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:52:16pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I don’t even like or respect Megyn Kelly but the way Trump talks about her and other women is digusting. Trump’s a sexist pig so of course he’s loved by Republican voters.

Among the horrible things Trump has done in the past 7 months, forcing decent people to defend Megyn Kelly is up there.

No, not as bad as threatening to deport 12 million men, women and children…or promising to deny admission to the US based solely on faith…but right after that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:53:16pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

For someone who puts such a premium on how “attractive” someone is in relation to how successful they should be in life, Donald Trump has absolutely no sense of irony.
He is one of most physically repulsive people I’ve ever seen.

No kidding. The guy looks like a troll. If he didn’t have Daddy Trump’s money or connections, he’d be one of the “losers” he loves to mock.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:53:18pm

re: #7 Dave In Austin

Misuse of “there.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:53:53pm

re: #8 bratwurst

Among the horrible things Trump has done in the past 7 months, forcing decent people to defend Megyn Kelly is up there.

No, not as bad as threatening to deport 12 million men, women and children…or promising to deny admission to the US based solely on their faith…but right after that.

Yeah, believe me I hate defending a pedophile apologist like Kelly and right wing propagandist but Trump man tests me.

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unproven innocence  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:56:05pm

So many people talking about Trump. Looks like his stragegy is working —whatever the hell it is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:56:25pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

No kidding. The guy looks like a troll. If he didn’t have Daddy Trump’s money or connections, he’d be one of the “losers” he loves to mock.

And really, I don’t care how much money DT has…it would never be enough for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:56:31pm
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:56:33pm

What kind of average loser would want to date an average person? Disgusting! You tell ‘em Trump.

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nines09  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:56:37pm

re: #3 Kragar

A man as thin skinned and petty as Trump has no place being Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces.

He has no business being anything but a bad joke. Like, what do you call a bag of shit wrapped in money?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:57:19pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

And really, I don’t care how much money DT has…it would never be enough for me.

Yep. Can’t buy beinga decent person.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:57:59pm

Yes, why would someone running for president of a country with over three hundred million people in it want to “woo” average people?

Of course, nobody is average in their own mind, so this plays into Trump’s rather fascist tendencies in making his followers believe they are better than their perceived boogie men of choice.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:58:38pm

I dunno, The Donald. Maybe somebody who is literally in a popularity contest?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:59:18pm

re: #10 Belafon

Misuse of “there.”

Spank me to next Xmas. You are correct. I blame my large tumms and an old iPhone

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:59:38pm

How presidential very leadership gravitas.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:59:41pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

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Seriously, he acts like an immature middle schooler everytime someone disagrees with him. Yet that’s endearing to his base.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 12:59:42pm

As usual, Trump equates qualities of any human - beauty, intelligence, success - directly to whether and how well that human kisses his ass.

Her blackened, shriveled soul notwithstanding, Megyn Kelly is a good-looking woman. If she wasn’t, Uncle Rupert would never have offered her a job on the air at Fox.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:01:59pm

re: #12 unproven innocence

So many people talking about Trump. Looks like his stragegy is working —whatever the hell it is.

I suspect he’s as surprised by it all as we are.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:04:22pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

For someone who puts such a premium on how “attractive” someone is in relation to how successful they should be in life, Donald Trump has absolutely no sense of irony.
He is one of most physically repulsive people I’ve ever seen.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest more people have fantasized about a sexual relationship with Megyn Kelly than with Donald Trump.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:04:46pm

$1 that she will vote for him anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:05:50pm

re: #25 Kragar

I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest more people have fantasized about a sexual relationship with Megyn Kelly than with Donald Trump.

I believe you would be correct.
Especially since a lot of those fantasizing about Megyn would do it for free.

teh donald, otoh…..

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:06:20pm

re: #26 GlutenFreeJesus

$1 that she will vote for him anyway.

I think a lot of people are just going to stay home, unable to pull the level for a (D) but fully cognizant that the only thing worse for the Republican Party than Donald Trump losing in the general would be Donald Trump winning in the general.

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WhatEVs  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:06:32pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Seriously, he acts like an immature middle schooler everytime someone disagrees with him. Yet that’s endearing to his base.

Yet if any Dem behaved as Trump does the right would go insane.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:06:32pm

re: #23 makeitstop

As usual, Trump equates qualities of any human - beauty, intelligence, success - directly to whether and how well that human kisses his ass.

Her blackened, shriveled soul notwithstanding, Megyn Kelly is a good-looking woman. If she wasn’t, Uncle Rupert would never have offered her a job on the air at Fox.

Yep. If Kelly kissed his ass, he’d sing her praises and talk about her as a great journalist but she hasn’t so he spews this sexist shit on her. HE’s so pathetic. I really really want Clinton to debate him and make him lose his shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:07:32pm

re: #28 Testy Toad T

I think a lot of people are just going to stay home, unable to pull the level for a (D) but fully cognizant that the only thing worse for the Republican Party than Donald Trump losing in the general would be Donald Trump winning in the general.

I dunno. Too many peopel are so called yellow dog Republicans who will vote for any vote because they hate Democrats that much.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:11:18pm
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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:15:51pm

re: #29 WhatEVs

And they’d be out of the race.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:18:01pm

re: #28 Testy Toad T

Gary Johnson (former Governor of New Mexico) is apparently running for the Libertarian nomination again. I could see a decent number of disaffected Republican voters pulling the lever for him in a Clinton-Trump match up. The idea being that if they stayed home or undervoted the presidential election then Clinton would think she had a mandate (hurr hurr, wez all no that Hillary don’t date no mans).

I don’t think it’d be enough for Johnson to carry any states, but I could see it being a scenario where Clinton gets 48-51% of the vote and Johnson pulls in a Perotian 10% or so.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:18:18pm

re: #29 WhatEVs

Yet if any Dem behaved as Trump does the right would go insane.

If a Dem did just one of the things Trump has done this campaign season from beltitling McCain’s POW experience to this and all in between, they’d go ballistic.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:18:44pm
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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:19:21pm

re: #34 KGxvi

I hadn’t considered the possibility of a three-way race with Trump as the Republican candidate, but yeah. I can totally see that happening. I might go so far as to say I suspect that’s why Johnson is running.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:19:56pm

And this is why Hillary need not respond past the original trolling comment calling him sexist. Just get his mouth moving and stand back. Sooner or later he will say something that will piss off many people.

He really has no control over that mouth of his. It is easy to tell very have few ever said no to The Donald™.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:20:55pm
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unproven innocence  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:21:39pm

re: #24 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I suspect he’s as surprised by it all as we are.

re: #33 Jenner7

And they’d be out of the race.

Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:22:29pm

“I love Donald but it’s so boring!” the man exclaimed to officers. “It’s getting a little old. I want, like, new jokes.”

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:23:29pm
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Jenner7  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:24:10pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

Hmm, I must be weird. I’d want, like, actual policy positions with details.

His fans are morons.

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darthstar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:24:14pm

I could give a rat’s ass about Megyn Kelly and while Trump’s tweet is offensive by normal civilized human standards, he’s not a normal civilized human. He’s a presidential media troll - and he’s very good at it. Think of him as the Rage Furby of politics. He’ll say anything to get a rise out of people, so long as there is potential to profit from it. And unlike the red headed rage furby of Southern California, he has learned to profit from it.

In Megyn’s defense, she has been shaped into the soulless monster she is. And it’s not entirely her fault her ugliness comes from within. But she did choose a very financially rewarding life as a blond assassin…because let’s face it, if she was nice it wouldn’t pay.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:24:51pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

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Donald’s so thin skinned. HE’s going to go ballistic when one precinct inevitably votes for his opponents.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:27:41pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

That needs a “not the Onion” tag.

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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:27:50pm
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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:29:11pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:29:37pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Donald’s so thin skinned. HE’s going to go ballistic when one precinct inevitably votes for his opponents.

When Cruz rakes in delegates at the Iowa caucuses Trump will blame people for being to lazy to go caucus. He’s already laid the groundwork for this excuse.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:31:21pm

re: #37 Testy Toad T

The Libertarian nominee, even if he’s credible (and I’d consider Johnson at least marginally credible in that he’s actually been a governor), has no realistic shot at winning because they don’t have full ballot access across the country. They can only contest about 325 electoral votes, unless they can find another way onto ballots. Their best case scenario (from the Libertarian’s point of view) is costing the GOP nominee a state, preferably an otherwise “safe” state - at least until they get full access.

Still, it would be interesting to see what would happen if Trump won the nomination and then had a meltdown.

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Lidane  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:32:30pm

ROFL:

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:32:40pm

re: #47 ausador

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Must not be any monuments for them to blow up out there.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:33:49pm

re: #51 Lidane

ROFL:

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The entire GOP establishment is certainly doing everything in its power to streamline Cruz’s ascent.
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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:37:31pm

Rinsed Prius promises to be honest….
LOLOLOLOLOL……

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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:38:02pm

Not smart, admit to felony on camera while committing second felony…

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:38:23pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

On the one hand, I think it’s kind of funny that Cruz is being hoisted by his own petard, because, seriously, fuck that guy. But on the other hand, it really annoys me that people who are allegedly supposed to be in charge of running the damned country don’t know the fucking citizenship laws of the country (and that includes Pelosi and her “well, there’s definitely something different” bullshit, if you are going to claim to be better than the other side FUCKING ACT LIKE IT!)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:38:34pm

Bummed that I missed out on this project on Kickstarter. So cool.

To form the glyphs, a tiny amount of ferrofluid was placed between two glass plates and subjected to a combination of spinning vertical and horizontal magnetic fields. The result is an array of complex hieroglyphics and shapes - each one as unrepeatable as a snowflake - that simultaneously call to mind ancient indigenous markings or symbols from science fiction.

These complex symbols were traced as vectors and cast as a moveable type printing system, combinations of which will be used to create a series of unique, one of a kind, letterpress prints, where no arrangement of glyphs is ever repeated. To bring the project full circle, these prints will be created using a mix of actual ferrofluid and pure Pantone Black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:38:49pm
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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:40:58pm

re: #55 ausador

Not smart, admit to felony on camera while committing second felony…

They’re going to need to move them out of there before they start doing irreparable damage to the refuge - if they haven’t already.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:42:07pm

This may not be proper but I’ll say it anyway.
It wouldn’t hurt my feelings, nor would I lose sleep if law enforcement of any brand ejected these pieces of rabble with extreme prejudice….

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:42:53pm

re: #59 makeitstop

They’re going to need to move them out of there before they start doing irreparable damage to the refuge - if they haven’t already.

My wild guess is that there’s not a lot of grazing happening right now through the snow cover. The ground should be frozen and fairly resistant to damage. I think the only threat of real damage is to the buildings in their immediate vicinity, which frankly don’t really matter.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:44:10pm

re: #51 Lidane

ROFL:

Is @tedcruz eligible to be president? Reince Priebus declines to say

Such a weasel. As party chairman how could Priebus let Cruz campaign/debate for President as the Republican nominee if he wasn’t able to verify his citizenship. Especially after his party has continued to advance the birther nonsense for eight years now.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:44:24pm

re: #60 Dave In Austin

This may not be proper but I’ll say it anyway.
It wouldn’t hurt my feelings, nor would I lose sleep if law enforcement of any brand ejected these pieces of rabble with extreme prejudice….

I like the idea of having a forestry service using a fire fighting tanker to drop a few loads on them right before nightfall.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:45:28pm

YES!!!11!

Must NOT see TV. And the next “hilarious” thing to come from Glenn and his flunkies will be the first.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:45:45pm

re: #63 Kragar

I like the idea of having a forestry service using a fire fighting tanker to drop a few loads on them right before nightfall.

High heat signature coming from a building that was not supposed to be occupied. Oops.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:46:00pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart

Such a weasel. As party chairman how could Priebus let Cruz campaign/debate for President as the Republican nominee if he wasn’t able to verify his citizenship. Especially after his party has continued to advance the birther nonsense for eight years now.

I think a good part of this is that Republicans fucking loathe Ted Cruz for being such an asshat for the past few years, so they’re basically using this as a chance to tell Cruz to go fuck himself.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:47:34pm

re: #64 bratwurst

YES!!!11!

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Must NOT see TV. And the next “hilarious” thing to come from Glenn and his flunkies will be the first.

Conservative humor basically consists of mocking compassion. I’ll pass.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:47:59pm

OT - A bit poignant, from this past Friday:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:48:22pm

re: #64 bratwurst

YES!!!11!

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Must NOT see TV. And the next “hilarious” thing to come from Glenn and his flunkies will be the first.

Don’t quit your day job, Glenn.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:48:33pm

re: #66 Kragar

I think a good part of this is that Republicans fucking loathe Ted Cruz for being such an asshat for the past few years, so they’re basically using this as a chance to tell Cruz to go fuck himself.

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:48:48pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

Conservative humor basically consists of mocking compassion. I’ll pass.

or mocking the less well off.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:49:43pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

Trump just may give the Dems a chance to regain Congress. It’s going ot be fun to see the downticket candidates try to distance themselves from him.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:50:06pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

They’re reaching the point where they’re telling themselves “Just because I’m losing, it doesn’t mean I have to let the other guy win.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:50:14pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

or mocking the less well off.

Basically anyone not white, Christian, male, and well-to-do, or anyone who cares about them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:50:41pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

Basically anyone not white, Christian, male, and well-to-do, or anyone who cares about them.

HEy did you hear that Obama was a community organizer? //

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:50:53pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Trump just may give the Dems a chance to regain Congress. It’s going ot be fun to see the downticket candidates try to distance themselves from him.

The Senate, maybe.

I don’t believe the Trump effect is strong enough to counterbalance the gerrymandering in the House.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:51:24pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

538 made the interesting point today that bad presidents are far more harmful in the long term than bad nominees. Were I in charge, I could be convinced it would actually be better for my party to have the less electable of the two win the nomination if the Eventual Establishment Unicorn never consolidates.

You’ll take a bath downticket, but that freight train might not be stopping at this point.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:52:33pm

re: #66 Kragar

I think a good part of this is that Republicans fucking loathe Ted Cruz for being such an asshat for the past few years, so they’re basically using this as a chance to tell Cruz to go fuck himself.

This is where the big split will/has begin/begun in the GOP. Between those that have just used the religious right to further their political career and those that really are the religious right and those that just want no government at all so they can tromp on anyone they want to (whom also use the religious right).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:52:45pm

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The Senate, maybe.

I don’t believe the Trump effect is strong enough to counterbalance the gerrymandering in the House.

YEah it takes a lot to retake the whole House especially with the Gerrymandering.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:54:35pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Trump just may give the Dems a chance to regain Congress. It’s going ot be fun to see the downticket candidates try to distance themselves from him.

The consequences of his candidacy will reverberate for decades. You can’t just pick a fight with virtually every minority in our society and hope to govern, that’s no longer the way America functions.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:55:17pm

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The Senate, maybe.

I don’t believe the Trump effect is strong enough to counterbalance the gerrymandering in the House.

The House would be tough to call if Trump is the GOP nominee.

It would be glorious if Trump at the top of the GOP ticket does enough damage to flip all/many of those carefully gerrymandered GOP seats. Given the way gerrymandering works, such a disaster at the top of the ticket can be very damaging.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:55:51pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

The consequences of his candidacy will reverberate for decades. You can’t just pick a fight with virtually every minority in our society and hope to govern, that’s no longer the way America functions.

Indeed, he’s done a lot of damage to the GOP making inroads with racial minority groups and women. Tehy were already sucking at that before his rise but he’s made it even worse and good riddance I say.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:56:46pm

Trying to think the last time the House changed hands during a presidential election year. The last three times it did were midterms- 94, 06, and 10.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:56:50pm

Thanks Obama

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:57:05pm

As I noted in the past, a big part of Ted Cruz’s problem is that he looks and acts like the product of a used bible salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:57:14pm

re: #59 makeitstop

Why aren’t these assholes in jail? If I went to the nearest NPS or NFS property near me and did this shit I’d have been in jail before a couple of hours had passed. WTF is the holdup here? They’re breaking the law just by taking over a building they have no rights to, let alone the other shit they’re pulling.

This shit should have been nipped with the first go ‘round. Again, if I had pointed guns at a federal officer I’d be in jail. If I was fined a million dollars and didn’t pay, I’d be in jail. WTF? Seriously?

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:57:18pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Indeed, he’s done a lot of damage to the GOP making inroads with racial minority groups and women. Tehy were already sucking at that before his rise but he’s made it even worse and good riddance I say.

Trump has essentially resulted in the GOP picking up the Roadmap to the Future, or whatever, wrapping it around a dog turd and then setting the mass on fire.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer set of folks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:58:05pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

As I noted in the past, a big part of Ted Cruz’s problem is that he looks and acts like the product of a used bible salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca.

He really just oozes sleaze.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:58:05pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Trump just may give the Dems a chance to regain Congress. It’s going ot be fun to see the downticket candidates try to distance themselves from him.

Speaking of which - I got a phone call this morning from Feingold for Wisconsin. Tossed in $25, I always liked Russ and we could sure use him now.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:58:24pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

As I noted in the past, a big part of Ted Cruz’s problem is that he looks and acts like the product of a used bible salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca.

And he sounds like Burt Ward in the old Batman TV series…

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:58:38pm

re: #87 Testy Toad T

Trump has essentially resulted in the GOP picking up the Roadmap to the Future, or whatever, wrapping it around a dog turd and then setting the mass on fire.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer set of folks.

Since the GOP basically is a flaming dog turd, one could regard this as admirable consistency.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:59:09pm

re: #87 Testy Toad T

Trump has essentially resulted in the GOP picking up the Roadmap to the Future, or whatever, wrapping it around a dog turd and then setting the mass on fire.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer set of folks.

I’m loving it honestly. The GOP’s bigotry is slowly catching up with them. It honestly has been for years now. I mean it really said a lot hat Romney lost the Cuban-American vote to Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:59:43pm

re: #89 makeitstop

Speaking of which - I got a phone call this morning from Feingold for Wisconsin. Tossed in $25, I always liked Russ and we could sure use him now.

It’d be nice to have him back. Feingold to Johnson was probably the worst change of hand we got in the Senate.

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:00:14pm

Is there a male/female breakdown for Trump’s fan base? I suspect it may skew to the male side but by how much?

In any case, for women in the base, what’s their thought process when hearing such misogynist talk. Do they believe its only for the campaign and that he’ll be different once in office? Sort of like expecting a guy that beats up a woman while dating will become a totally different person once they’re married.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:01:07pm

The question is, will the national media question Candidate Trump on this support?

Yeah, not damn likely.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:01:29pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Indeed, he’s done a lot of damage to the GOP making inroads with racial minority groups and women. Tehy were already sucking at that before his rise but he’s made it even worse and good riddance I say.

He could have gotten away with just focusing on Muslims. That would have been ugly but this country is still bigoted enough to have probably let that slide. Going to war with Mexicans / Hispanics was suicide. Dude has no earthly idea of the nascent power of the group he’s chosen to fuck with, because they haven’t chosen to wield it until now.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:02:42pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

As I noted in the past, a big part of Ted Cruz’s problem is that he looks and acts like the product of a used bible salesman who fucked a bowl of rancid tapioca.

This was my favorite take on that during the last debate:

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:02:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:05:39pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

He could have gotten away with just focusing on Muslims. That would have been ugly but this country is still bigoted enough to have probably let that slide. Going to war with Mexicans / Hispanics was suicide. Dude has no earthly idea of the nascent power of the group he’s chosen to fuck with, because they haven’t chosen to wield it until now.

But, as Thanos’ page noted, the aftermath of Prop 187 in California shows what happens in a State when the Republican Party fucks with with wrong people.

What can brown do for you?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:05:48pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

He could have gotten away with just focusing on Muslims. That would have been ugly but this country is still bigoted enough to have probably let that slide. Going to war with Mexicans / Hispanics was suicide. Dude has no earthly idea of the nascent power of the group he’s chosen to fuck with, because they haven’t chosen to wield it until now.

Exactly. It’s going ot be fun watching the GOP try ot clean up that mess. As I said, they deserve it so much, you flirt with racist assholes, you deserve to die with them.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:06:19pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

He could have gotten away with just focusing on Muslims. That would have been ugly but this country is still bigoted enough to have probably let that slide. Going to war with Mexicans / Hispanics was suicide. Dude has no earthly idea of the nascent power of the group he’s chosen to fuck with, because they haven’t chosen to wield it until now.

And the White Nationalist support… even people who secretly sort of agree with them don’t want to Admit.Out.Loud. that they feel that way.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:06:41pm

re: #98 Kragar

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The more I ehar from Trump, the more I see an authoritarian fascist.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:07:04pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

He could have gotten away with just focusing on Muslims. That would have been ugly but this country is still bigoted enough to have probably let that slide. Going to war with Mexicans / Hispanics was suicide. Dude has no earthly idea of the nascent power of the group he’s chosen to fuck with, because they haven’t chosen to wield it until now.

The thing is that you’re treating it as if it’s calculated. I don’t think a single thing Trump says is talked about in a strategy meeting, or focus grouped, or studied in any way. It’s absolutely fascinating. Watch enough political coverage and you’ll start to recognize names of the guys in the back room, names like Trippi or Carville or whatever. I have absolutely no idea who, if anyone, works for Trump.

It’s a one-man operation, all these big sweeping calculations happening, such as they do, in real time underneath the orange merkin.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:10:24pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The more I ehar from Trump, the more I see an authoritarian fascist.

As previously noted here (by someone else), Trump is a Mussolini wannabe.

Events since then are completely consistent with this observation.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:10:44pm

re: #103 Testy Toad T

The thing is that you’re treating it as if it’s calculated. I don’t think a single thing Trump says is talked about in a strategy meeting, or focus grouped, or studied in any way. It’s absolutely fascinating. Watch enough political coverage and you’ll start to recognize names of the guys in the back room, names like Trippi or Carville or whatever. I have absolutely no idea who, if anyone, works for Trump.

It’s a one-man operation, all these big sweeping calculations happening, such as they do, in real time underneath the orange merkin.

It is Vince McMahon through and through. Anger theater. Macho pissing. Dick waving. Fart lighting. Beer guzzling. Shit kicking. Window licking. Good times.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:11:02pm

Milo is still whining and ranting, and now he’s really showing his true colors.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:11:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:11:31pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

As previously noted here (by someone else), Trump is a Mussolini wannabe.

Events since then are completely consistent with this observation.

Yeah he reminds me a lot of Mussolini.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:11:50pm

Someone should start digging up the Couch family’s history on campaign contributions.

Also this:

Tarrant County, Texas, Magistrate Judge Matt King ordered Tonya Couch to be examined after the court found “reasonable cause” to believe that she suffers from “a mental illness or is a person with a mental retardation,” according to court documents.

She’s gonna walk.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:12:50pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Milo is still whining and ranting, and now he’s really showing his true colors.

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Smeone get baby Milo a bottle. Seriously dude show a little fucking respect to someone who was making great tunes when your parents were horny teenagers.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:13:43pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

Someone should start digging up the Couch family’s history on campaign contributions.

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Also this:

She’s gonna walk.

Didn’t Bush execute a mentally ill women while he was gov? Now they find sympathy?

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:14:07pm

re: #104 EPR-radar

As previously noted here (by someone else), Trump is a Mussolini wannabe.

Events since then are completely consistent with this observation.

Some article I read the other day, which I proceeded to lose, made a fairly compelling case to me that Trump is a right-wing populist ideologue, but not really fascist in any useful sense of the term. Fascists tend also to be right-wing populist ideologues, but they have an actual coherent political ideology and assemble a framework of loyal party actors that they use to eventually usurp and consolidate power.

Trump has no coherent ideology other than Trump. He isn’t bothering to really build any sort of framework underneath him. There are many similarities, but a lot of the defining aspects of fascism are missing completely.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:14:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:14:59pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Didn’t Bush execute a mentally ill women while he was gov? Now they find sympathy?

No, I don’t think so. He did mock a woman who pleaded for her life and from what I understand, it was Tucker Carlson who leaked it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:15:30pm

re: #113 bratwurst

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Grimace belongs there more than Kim Davis.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:16:48pm

re: #94 sizzzzlerz

Digging into the cross tabs of the most recent national primary polls I could find, it looks like there’s about at 10 point gender gap for Trump among GOP voters. Also among GOP voters, he seems to do better among married women than single women.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:16:51pm

re: #112 Testy Toad T

Some article I read the other day, which I proceeded to lose, made a fairly compelling case to me that Trump is a right-wing populist ideologue, but not really fascist in any useful sense of the term. Fascists tend also to be right-wing populist ideologues, but they have an actual coherent political ideology and assemble a framework of loyal party actors that they use to eventually usurp and consolidate power.

Trump has no coherent ideology other than Trump. He isn’t bothering to really build any sort of framework underneath him. There are many similarities, but a lot of the defining aspects of fascism are missing completely.

Yeah, because he can’t do a fucking thing right. See his attempts at running a casino, where the odds are in the houses favor. I think he is trying but just too stupid to make it work.

EDIT: for fat finger

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:17:27pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Exactly. It’s going ot be fun watching the GOP try ot clean up that mess. As I said, they deserve it so much, you flirt with racist assholes, you deserve to die with them.

The GOP did much more than flirt with racist assholes. Once the GOP establishment figured out that the racists would vote GOP for nothing in return but some dog-whistling, they got addicted to such easy votes and stopped bothering with policy proposals or anything else resembling reality-based governance or campaigning.

IMO the presently delusional state of the GOP is a direct consequence of the southern strategy. The fact that Trump is now doing a pied-piper act with the racists by dispensing with the dog whistles is the icing on the cake.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:18:27pm

re: #112 Testy Toad T

Some article I read the other day, which I proceeded to lose….

or not

dneiwert.blogspot.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:18:53pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

The GOP did much more than flirt with racist assholes. Once the GOP establishment figured out that the racists would vote GOP for nothing in return but some dog-whistling, they got addicted to such easy votes and stopped bothering with policy proposals or anything else resembling reality-based governance or campaigning.

IMO the presently delusional state of the GOP is a direct consequence of the southern strategy. The fact that Trump is now doing a pied-piper act with the racists by dispensing with the dog whistles is the icing on the cake.

You’re right. I understated it. It definitely is the changing of the demographics finally catching up to them. I honestly don’t think Ronald Reagan would be electable since his racist dogwhistles would be seen for what they were.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:19:49pm

re: #84 Kragar

Thanks Obama

But if you put it under enough heat and pressure, those concrete atoms will fuse together. Iran still has the bomb!!!!

//

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:20:16pm

re: #105 Eventual Carrion

It is Vince McMahon through and through. Anger theater. Macho pissing. Dick waving. Fart lighting. Beer guzzling. Shit kicking. Window licking. Good times.

Vince at least had the decency to be less of a dick once WWE went public. Granted, the Mr. McMahon character is still most of those things, but he’s on screen like four times a year instead of every week.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:21:05pm

re: #113 bratwurst

The SOTU’s tomorrow? Usually it’s later in January.

I actually could do without the special invitees each side brings in. But if I was invited I might change my perspective just a little.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:21:11pm

re: #112 Testy Toad T

Some article I read the other day, which I proceeded to lose, made a fairly compelling case to me that Trump is a right-wing populist ideologue, but not really fascist in any useful sense of the term. Fascists tend also to be right-wing populist ideologues, but they have an actual coherent political ideology and assemble a framework of loyal party actors that they use to eventually usurp and consolidate power.

Trump has no coherent ideology other than Trump. He isn’t bothering to really build any sort of framework underneath him. There are many similarities, but a lot of the defining aspects of fascism are missing completely.

This rings true to me for Trump personally. However, the GOP as a whole is getting pretty thoroughly infected with proto-fascism, so if Trump became POTUS and attempted to work though party channels, elements of fascism would be provided by the party.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:23:09pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

100%, the article discussed at length that Trump is perhaps not fascist per se, he is very much laying the groundwork for a more traditionally fascist individual.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:23:36pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Didn’t Bush execute a mentally ill women while he was gov? Now they find sympathy?

I believe that was Perry.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:24:02pm

re: #94 sizzzzlerz

In any case, for women in the base, what’s their thought process when hearing such misogynist talk. Do they believe its only for the campaign and that he’ll be different once in office? Sort of like expecting a guy that beats up a woman while dating will become a totally different person once they’re married.

I suspect conservative women don’t think that misogynist comments apply to them, but only to feminazis. Also, that awful Hillary would be worse.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:24:54pm

re: #105 Eventual Carrion

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:25:14pm

re: #123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The SOTU’s tomorrow? Usually it’s later in January.

I actually could do without the special invitees each side brings in. But if I was invited I might change my perspective just a little.

I was surprised also. Maybe moved up a week for greater separation from Iowa and New Hampshire?

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plansbandc  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:27:00pm

Milo is a terrible human being.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:30:36pm

R.I.P. American television journalism, 1940’s-2016

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:31:05pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior
Not mentally ill but I think you mean this case;
Karla Faye Tucker en.wikipedia.org

Here is what Carlson wrote (as quoted in National Review, another source hardly known to be hostile toward Republicans):

In the week before [Karla Faye Tucker’s] execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. “Did you meet with any of them?” I ask.

Bush whips around and stares at me. “No, I didn’t meet with any of them,” he snaps, as though I’ve just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. “I didn’t meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with [Tucker], though. He asked her real difficult questions, like ‘What would you say to Governor Bush?’ “

“What was her answer?” I wonder.

“Please,” Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, “don’t kill me.”

slate.com

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:33:19pm

re: #123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The SOTU’s tomorrow? Usually it’s later in January.

I actually could do without the special invitees each side brings in. But if I was invited I might change my perspective just a little.

I know no president will ever pass up 2-3 hours on all the networks, but there is a small part of me that would love a president just submitting a written SOTU and passing it out to all the networks to talk about.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:34:17pm

re: #132 gocart mozart

Not mentally ill but I think you mean this case;
Karla Faye Tucker en.wikipedia.org

slate.com

I do indeed. I Was only 13 when I read about that but it told me a lot about George W Bush.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:37:31pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I do indeed. I Was only 13 when I read about that but it told me a lot about George W Bush.

And, once W became President, the press (including the man who interviewed him, Tucker Carlson, hardly a hostile interviewer) completely black holed how W mocked Tucker as he let her twist in the wind about her clemency request.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:38:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:40:00pm

re: #135 TedStriker

And, once W became President, the press (including the man who interviewed him, Tucker Carlson, hardly a hostile interviewer) completely black holed how W mocked Tucker as he let her twist in the wind about her clemency request.

It’s why I laughed when I heard people voted for Bush “because he’s a Good Christian man.” I know what Tucker did to get on death row was awful and there weren’t questions of her guilt but to mocking someone pleading for their life was disgusting on his part and it put me strongly in Gore’s camp.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:41:38pm
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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:42:40pm

So, my brother is going to be interviewing Tim Robbins this afternoon.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:43:10pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:43:30pm

Happy 60th birthday to this guy:

Robert Earl Keen - The Road Goes On Forever

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:47:02pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart

Such a weasel. As party chairman how could Priebus let Cruz campaign/debate for President as the Republican nominee if he wasn’t able to verify his citizenship. Especially after his party has continued to advance the birther nonsense for eight years now.

This will be the excuse rwnj use if Cruz is the nominee and loses. It won’t be because conservatism failed, it will be because millions of patriots couldn’t bring themselves to vote for an ineligible furriner.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:49:10pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

New polls show the latest establishment candidate to “surge” in NH is John Kasich, all the way up to 14%! Trump, of course, still has a double digit lead.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:49:21pm

re: #139 Kragar

So, my brother is going to be interviewing Tim Robbins this afternoon.

I love that guy. When and where might we be able to see or read it?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:49:52pm

I think Lazarus was Bowie’s equivalent to Freddie Mercury’s The Show Must Go On.

Written when the respective artists were dying, saying farewell.

Man, today really sucks. He should have had 10 more years. Is this what the death of Freddie Mercury was like.

The song chronicles the effort of Freddie Mercury continuing to perform despite approaching the end of his life; he was dying from complications due to HIV/AIDS, although his illness had not yet been made public in spite of ongoing media speculation claiming that he was seriously ill.[1] Mercury was so ill when the band recorded the song in 1990, that May had concerns as to whether he was physically capable of singing it. Recalling Mercury’s performance, May states; “I said, ‘Fred, I don’t know if this is going to be possible to sing.’ And he went, ‘I’ll fucking do it, darling’ — vodka down — and went in and killed it, completely lacerated that vocal.”

Queen - The Show Must Go On (Official Video)

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:50:05pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

I love that guy. When and where might we be able to see or read it?

He works for Crave Online

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:51:07pm

re: #139 Kragar

So, my brother is going to be interviewing Tim Robbins this afternoon.

“Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.”

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:51:52pm

re: #146 Kragar

Thanks! Bookmarked

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:52:19pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

“Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.”

My Bro included a pic of Tim Robbins in “Howard the Duck” in his announcement

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:53:34pm

Just realized that Donald Trump is the same age as David Bowie. Boy, if I had to pick who I’d rather have dead…..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:55:34pm

re: #145 The War TARDIS

I think Lazarus was Bowie’s equivalent to Freddie Mercury’s The Show Must Go On.

Written when the respective artists were dying, saying farewell.

Man, today really sucks. He should have had 10 more years. Is this what the death of Freddie Mercury was like.

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That’s a good analogy. Johnny Cash’s Hurt is another great Swan Song of someone who knew they were going. It’s good you mention Freddy because my cousin had the link to Under Pressure today talking about how she’s going to try to get her son into BOwie. And I’m sure she’ll succeed. The man’s music seems to have a way in our family. Another cousin remembered that Bowie was her first big concert.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:57:21pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

Just realized that Donald Trump is the same age as David Bowie. Boy, if I had to pick who I’d rather have dead…..

Given how stressful campaigning is, and how old candidates usually are, it’s sort of a wonder that we haven’t had one just kinda crap out and die on us in the middle of a campaign.

Maybe that says something about the level of medical care you can get if you’re rich.

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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:57:39pm

Washington GOP: Repeal the ACA!
Meanwhile in LA….

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:58:13pm

This is pretty cool, but I’d totally end up breaking it.

Fender builds a Stratocaster - out of cardboard

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teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:58:49pm

No foolin’. I just rented skis to a gentleman by the name of Charles Johnson. He’s from Minnesota.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:59:59pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Apparently, Peter Capaldi has based his look as the Doctor partially on David Bowie.

That’s something else I am sad about. I would have love to have David Bowie guest star on Doctor Who. With as weird as he was, he could have simply played as himself.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:00:00pm

re: #153 ausador

Washington GOP: Repeal the ACA!
Meanwhile in LA….

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I don’t know how anyone in their right mind can say the Dem’s and Republicans are just alike. But I hear that all over the net.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:00:14pm

re: #152 Testy Toad T

Given how stressful campaigning is, and how old candidates usually are, it’s sort of a wonder that we haven’t had one just kinda crap out and die on us in the middle of a campaign.

Maybe that says something about the level of medical care you can get if you’re rich.

There was once in the 1912 election when Taft’s running mate, James Sherman died before the election and he had to be replaced on the ballot. Another time I think Horace Greeley, Grant’s 1872 opponent died on election day or close to it. It does show how cruel fate can be thinking about that. I think about the old Nazis who were around my grandfather’s age and lived to get to know their grandchildren and how my own grandfather left us fairly young at the age of 66 and how it was a medical mistake (sending him home instead of observing him overnight) that killed him. I don’t hate the doctors for that but it just saddens me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:00:28pm

re: #153 ausador

Washington GOP: Repeal the ACA!
Meanwhile in LA….

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Maybe the GOP will repeal Obamacare and replace it with a system that expands Medicaid for the working poor, creates exchanges in each state where individuals can easily shop and compare healthcare plans, prohibits recision and denial for preexisting conditions, and requires everyone to be covered?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:01:30pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Milo is still whining and ranting, and now he’s really showing his true colors.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:01:46pm

re: #156 The War TARDIS

Apparently, Peter Capaldi has based his look as the Doctor partially on David Bowie.

That’s something else I am sad about. I would have love to have David Bowie guest star on Doctor Who. With as weird as he was, he could have simply played as himself.

i’m not surprised. He inspired a lot of people. But yeah you would have to have him as himself. What I loved about Bowie is how he constantly could reinvent himself looks wise. They also have used and referenced his music in the MGS saga.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:02:44pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, now that’s just cold.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:03:27pm

Anyone ever had a redirect loop problem with Google Search in Chrome on Windows? I try to do a search using the address bar and I get a constant redirect back and forth from:
google.com
to:
google.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:03:31pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

They’re literally destroying themselves in the process. Cruz would be a terrible candidate but Trump is going to be an absolute disaster for them.

I’ve been reading some speculation that maybe at the convention they can draft Paul Ryan to save the GOP again like the way he was drafted for Speaker. Can he be Speaker and President at the same time?/

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:05:12pm

re: #155 teleskiguy

No foolin’. I just rented skis to a gentleman by the name of Charles Johnson. He’s from Minnesota.

Funny you mention that - a Facebook friend has a birthday today that showed up in my mentions. Same name as yours, but he’s 61 so I kinda doubt it’s you.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:06:14pm

re: #164 Big Beautiful Door

I’ve been reading some speculation that maybe at the convention they can draft Paul Ryan to save the GOP again like the way he was drafted for Speaker. Can he be Speaker and President at the same time?/

If the establishment’s hopes are on Ryan, a man who has never won beyond a Congressional district and has had ample opportunities to run for governor or senate to prove otherwise, then they’re even more pathetic than I thought. I think the GOP really is screwed at the moment.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:06:14pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe the GOP will repeal Obamacare and replace it with a system that expands Medicaid for the working poor, creates exchanges in each state where individuals can easily shop and compare healthcare plans, prohibits recision and denial for preexisting conditions, and requires everyone to be covered?

Giant flocks of pigs flying through a blizzard in Hell would be more likely.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:06:38pm

re: #156 The War TARDIS

Apparently, Peter Capaldi has based his look as the Doctor partially on David Bowie.

That’s something else I am sad about. I would have love to have David Bowie guest star on Doctor Who. With as weird as he was, he could have simply played as himself.

Bowie could have played a Time Lord. Hell, he could have been one for all we know.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:06:55pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia days after his election. Granted, the pneumonia was partially self-inflicted due to the epic inauguration party he threw, but still.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:07:23pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

There was once in the 1912 election when Taft’s running mate, James Sherman died before the election and he had to be replaced on the ballot. Another time I think Horace Greeley, Grant’s 1872 opponent died on election day or close to it. It does show how cruel fate can be thinking about that. I think about the old Nazis who were around my grandfather’s age and lived to get to know their grandchildren and how my own grandfather left us fairly young at the age of 66 and how it was a medical mistake (sending him home instead of observing him overnight) that killed him. I don’t hate the doctors for that but it just saddens me.

Greeley died after the election, on November 29, but before the Electoral College met.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:08:29pm

re: #154 makeitstop

This is pretty cool, but I’d totally end up breaking it.

Fender builds a Stratocaster - out of cardboard

whoa. That’s cool. I’d like to get a Strat someday. I’ll still opt for wood.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:08:35pm

re: #169 thedopefishlives

William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia days after his election. Granted, the pneumonia was partially self-inflicted due to the epic inauguration party he threw, but still.

His inauguration. It was more because he gave the longest speech in one of the coldest inauguration days. Plus he was the oldest ever to that point and for a long time before Reagan. There actually have been a few periods where they have been no surviving ex presidents.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:08:42pm

re: #168 makeitstop

Bowie could have played a Time Lord. Hell, he could have been one for all we know.

Ubisoft had fun joking that he may have been a Sage due to audacious style plus his heterochromia.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:08:49pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

Giant flocks of pigs flying through a blizzard in Hell would be more likely.

It’s interesting to speculate just how crazy the GOP would actually be in the absence of President Obama. So much of their current platform consists of either blocking or undoing their own policy prescriptions because he adopted them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:08:53pm

re: #170 Brian J.

Greeley died after the election, on November 29, but before the Electoral College met.

Ah okay, thanks for that. I didn’t have my presidents book on me.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:09:04pm

re: #156 The War TARDIS

Apparently, Peter Capaldi has based his look as the Doctor partially on David Bowie.

That’s something else I am sad about. I would have love to have David Bowie guest star on Doctor Who. With as weird as he was, he could have simply played as himself.

I could see them doing something like with the reference to Rodman at the end of Men in Black

“Wait, he’s an alien?”
“Yeah”
“Not a very good disguise”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:09:11pm

re: #111 Eventual Carrion

Didn’t Bush execute a mentally ill women while he was gov? Now they find sympathy?

Karla Faye Tucker.
Not mentally ill, but she found Jesus and that wasn’t good enough for GWB.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:09:37pm

Today were I live someone in a public meeting at the public library accidentally discharged a hand gun. Indiana is catching up with the rest of the crazy going on in the country.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:09:52pm

“After Obama bravely confronted the insane gun culture in America and showed raw emotion over the thousands of lives lost to gun violence in America, Sarah Palin has waded into the debate Hockey Mom style with the finesse of a drunken ballerina.”

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:10:04pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

His inauguration. It was more because he gave the longest speech in one of the coldest inauguration days. Plus he was the oldest ever to that point and for a long time before Reagan. There actually have been a few periods where they have been no surviving ex presidents.

Thanks. The details escaped me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:10:21pm

re: #179 Kragar

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“After Obama bravely confronted the insane gun culture in America and showed raw emotion over the thousands of lives lost to gun violence in America, Sarah Palin has waded into the debate Hockey Mom style with the finesse of a drunken ballerina.”

I’m not surprised. That woman has no class.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:10:21pm

Bit of the ole GWS burn

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:11:21pm

re: #178 Tigger2

Today were I live someone in a public meeting at the public library accidentally discharged a hand gun. Indiana is catching up with the rest of the crazy going on in the country.

Indiana, as I’ve often said, is the southernmost Northern state in the country. Read into that what you will.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:11:24pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

If the establishment’s hopes are on Ryan, a man who has never won beyond a Congressional district and has had ample opportunities to run for governor or senate to prove otherwise, then they’re even more pathetic than I thought. I think the GOP really is screwed at the moment.

The guy I see getting drafted in such a situation is Romney. Most of the party’s elders see him as a safe pair of hands that isn’t already in use.

This week certainly has seen two scenarios die screaming- the Trump/ Cruz ticket scenarios (in either order) and the idea that Cruz would be an acceptable fallback to the office-holding wing of the party.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:11:50pm

I’ve decided that after I become the solo winner of the Powerball 1.3 billion jackpot, I’m buying a small island, make it an independent nation (thinking “Stevedonia”) where we will try Donald Trump in abstencia for crimes against logic, taste and general good public behavior. He will be sentenced to work an entry level job in the service economy for not less than 6 months of satisfactory job evaluations.

Hey, what’s the point of buying a ticket if you can’t have dreams.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:12:21pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

His inauguration. It was more because he gave the longest speech in one of the coldest inauguration days. Plus he was the oldest ever to that point and for a long time before Reagan. There actually have been a few periods where they have been no surviving ex presidents.

The last time was after LBJ died before Nixon resigned. If all the current Presidents survive another year until inauguration day, we will be back up to six living current and ex presidents, tying the all-time record. I didn’t think Carter would make it; but it was a pleasant surprise to hear he beat the cancer he was being treated for.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:12:22pm

re: #182 Great White Snark

Bit of the ole GWS burn

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Oh snap. Nice one.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:12:34pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

Indiana, as I’ve often said, is the southernmost Northern state in the country. Read into that what you will.

Yeah but the wingers have hid it better over the years. Pence is bringing it out more.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:12:39pm

re: #185 Reality Based Steve

I’ve decided that after I become the solo winner of the Powerball 1.3 billion jackpot, I’m buying a small island, make it an independent nation (thinking “Stevedonia”) where we will try Donald Trump in abstencia for crimes against logic, taste and general good public behavior. He will be sentenced to work an entry level job in the service economy for not less than 6 months of satisfactory job evaluations.

Hey, what’s the point of buying a ticket if you can’t have dreams.

I hit that thing and you all get subscribed!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:12:54pm

re: #183 thedopefishlives

Indiana, as I’ve often said, is the southernmost Northern state in the country. Read into that what you will.

And headquarters to the second coming of the KKK.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:13:04pm

re: #188 Tigger2

Yeah but the wingers hide it better up here.

I fear Wisconsin may have you beat now.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:13:29pm

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

And headquarters to the second coming of the KKK.

Yeah, not one of our prouder trivia notes, I admit.

re: #188 Tigger2

Yeah but the wingers hide it better up here.

Whereabouts in the great state of Denial do you live?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:14:10pm

re: #186 Big Beautiful Door

The last time was after LBJ died before Nixon resigned. If all the current Presidents survive another year until inauguration day, we will be back up to six living curent and ex presidents, tying the all-time record. I didn’t think Carter would make it; but it was a pleasant surprise to hear he beat the cancer he was being treated for.

That’s right. it’s actually quite interesting. When I was born, we had only two presidents that had lived to be over 90 (John Adams and Herbert Hoover) but in the years since, we’ve had Reagan, Ford, Carter, and H.W Bush all go over 90. Now all those presidents that have gone over 90 except Reagan were president for a term or less. Perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not but we do know that the presidency ages Presidents.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:15:43pm

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Yeah, not one of our prouder trivia notes, I admit.

Whereabouts in the great state of Denial do you live?

Terre Haute kind of a blue holdout.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:16:32pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

That’s right. it’s actually quite interesting. When I was born, we had only two presidents that had lived to be over 90 (John Adams and Herbert Hoover) but in the years since, we’ve had Reagan, Ford, Carter, and H.W Bush all go over 90. Now all those presidents that have gone over 90 except Reagan were president for a term or less. Perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not but we do know that the presidency ages Presidents.

Ex-Presidents of course get the best of care these days. With modern medicine, it wouldn’t surprise me if we soon have an ex-president hit the century mark.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:17:28pm

re: #194 Tigger2

Terre Haute kind of a blue holdout.

I spent a lot of time in the Scary Gary area growing up. Fish country is more out in the sticks, as befitting my proud right-wing nutjob heritage.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:17:44pm

re: #194 Tigger2

Terre Haute kind of a blue holdout.

Isn’t that where the federal prison for death row is located?

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:18:33pm

re: #184 Brian J.

If it came down to a floor fight (and there are no known deities that love us that much), I really am curious what the delegates would actually do… How loyal would a Trump or Cruz delegate actually be? In the modern age, delegates tend to be chosen by the campaigns rather than the party establishment in each state.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:18:53pm

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s interesting to speculate just how crazy the GOP would actually be in the absence of President Obama. So much of their current platform consists of either blocking or undoing their own policy prescriptions because he adopted them.

IMO the GOP crazy would have been just as bad, but differently flavored, if Obama had not been president. The most likely alternative scenario would have been Hillary Clinton as president, and the GOP reaction to that would not have been sane.

More generally, it’s pretty clear that nobody in the GOP is capable of governing, and that their primary form of political self-expression is to mindlessly oppose whatever is proposed by centrists or liberals and to seek tax cuts for the rich.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:18:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:19:14pm

re: #162 thedopefishlives

Oh, now that’s just cold.

And to twist the knife…I just caught Bowie singing about the “bluebird” in Lazarus….

\o/

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:19:15pm

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Yeah, not one of our prouder trivia notes, I admit.

Whereabouts in the great state of Denial do you live?

I love Indiana. I was an honorary Hoosier for about 15 years, first in the West Lafayette area, then in Bloomington. Cycling there was wonderful. I ran the Tecumseh Trail Marathon twice, and both times had transcendent moments alone in the woods (“hey, wait up everybody!!”). But every once in awhile something would happen in a place like Martinsville….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:19:47pm

re: #195 Big Beautiful Door

Ex-Presidents of course get the best of care these days. With modern medicine, it wouldn’t surprise me if we soon have an ex-president hit the century mark.

Yeah very true. I think presidential pensions are relatively new. I think the reason why it partially exists is that Truman was really almost bankrupt when he left office as hard as that sounds to believe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:20:26pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

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So they want the President of the United States to order a private company to restore a checkmark. Okay…………..

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:20:49pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

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lol-wut? I thought they were all about the Intrusive FedGov NOT interfering in the operations of a business in the Free Market. My bad.

RBS

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:21:01pm

re: #126 makeitstop

I believe that was Perry.

I thought Texas had done it. Just wrong gov.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:22:13pm

re: #202 Barefoot Grin

I’ve spent some time in the Lafayette area; I drive through there on my way from the wild north country to fish country. My father is also a Purdue grad. Indiana is my home state, no matter how derpy and lame it can be. Minnesota just adopted me for a while.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:22:23pm

re: #197 Timothy Watson

Isn’t that where the federal prison for death row is located?

Yep Timothy McVeigh died about 3 miles from my house.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:22:43pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

So they want the President of the United States to order a private company to restore a checkmark. Okay…………..

re: #205 Reality Based Steve

lol-wut? I thought they were all about the Intrusive FedGov NOT interfering in the operations of a business in the Free Market. My bad.

RBS

‘Cause he’s jealous of a dead man. That’s low.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:23:01pm

Oh, one more thing I remember from Indiana. I was in a six-week workshop program at Earlham in Richmond. I learned that they had a thriving recording industry in the first part of the 20th century. They might record some KKK propaganda songs in the morning, then have the very best black jazz musicians recording in the afternoon. Fascinating stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:23:11pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

‘Cause he’s jealous of a dead man. That’s low.

And sad.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:25:11pm

re: #207 thedopefishlives

I’ve spent some time in the Lafayette area; I drive through there on my way from the wild north country to fish country. My father is also a Purdue grad. Indiana is my home state, no matter how derpy and lame it can be. Minnesota just adopted me for a while.

I’m from Illinois, so not much of a difference, I suppose. Despite Lincoln’s legacy, you don’t find many black folk in rural Indiana or Illinois because they were de facto sun-down counties and towns for a long time.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:26:11pm
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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:26:29pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I have a conservative/libertarian facebook friend, she’s worked on campaigns, writes for a conservative website (where the commenters always accuse her of being a liberal or just a dumm lil gurl) and she posted something about Trump admiring Kim Jung Un’s ability to eliminate rivals. I mentioned after several comments of “he’s a moderate” “no he’s a conservative” “we need to stop him” that there’s a word for Trump that starts with “F” and linked to a column by Douthat of all people. I of course got one “really? he wants to establish a dictatorship and repeal the bill of rights?” response from somebody, but this is more about Douthat’s stopped clock moment…

He basically said that Trump’s supporters are necessarily opposed to government intervention, they’re just opposed to government intervention that they don’t like. That’s the rub when it comes to Trump and his supporters, they don’t fit any traditional American ideology - they’re willing to use any means necessary to get what they want, which is power and prestige.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:26:55pm

I do not have enough spit for this.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:27:39pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:30:18pm

Bundy theme song…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:31:05pm

re: #198 KGxvi

If it came down to a floor fight (and there are no known deities that love us that much), I really am curious what the delegates would actually do… How loyal would a Trump or Cruz delegate actually be? In the modern age, delegates tend to be chosen by the campaigns rather than the party establishment in each state.

One can dream of the chaos that would ensue, just as I can dream that I’ll win the $1.4 bn powerball. I’d make the presidential candidates come to my court dressed as jesters to entertain me, with the winner getting my $50 mill superpac donation.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:32:43pm

re: #212 Barefoot Grin

I’m from Illinois, so not much of a difference, I suppose. Despite Lincoln’s legacy, you don’t find many black folk in rural Indiana or Illinois because they were de facto sun-down counties and towns for a long time.

I went to college on the eastern side of Indiana, over by Marion. That name may be familiar to anyone who’s studied racial history; in 1930, the last known public lynching of black people occurred when three young black men, accused of killing a white man and raping his girlfriend, were dragged from their jail cell, attacked, and two of them were hanged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:32:49pm

good fucking grief

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:35:49pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief

Sorry but it’s time to go in and end this.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:36:59pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Yeah very true. I think presidential pensions are relatively new. I think the reason why it partially exists is that Truman was really almost bankrupt when he left office as hard as that sounds to believe.

Grant was bankrupt; that’s why he wrote his memoirs.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:37:20pm

Peter Capaldi wanted David Bowie on Doctor Who before he left, apparently.

He went out today to lay flowers at 23 Heddon St today.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:37:33pm

re: #221 Tigger2

Sorry but it’s time to go in and end this.

Its just a fence; the last thing we need is to turn this into a bloody massacre. That kind of thing led to Oklahoma City.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:39:21pm

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

Its just a fence; the last thing we need is to turn this into a bloody massacre. That kind of thing led to Oklahoma City.

The only massacre I would not mind seeing would start with a roundup of trespassing cattle. Then BBQ.

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ipsos  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:40:06pm

re: #64 bratwurst

YES!!!11!

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Must NOT see TV. And the next “hilarious” thing to come from Glenn and his flunkies will be the first.

Hey, everyone! Remember all those librul media outlets that advertised ahead of time how they were going to mock George Bush speeches? And how they were going to charge to watch?

Yeah. Me neither.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:40:10pm
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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:40:42pm

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

Its just a fence; the last thing we need is to turn this into a bloody massacre. That kind of thing led to Oklahoma City.

Which also led to a time when the militia types faded away for a long time.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:41:25pm

re: #228 Tigger2

Which also led to a time when the militia types faded away for a long time.

I’d rather we find a way to accomplish that that doesn’t involve letting one of them blow up a building and kill a whole bunch of innocents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:41:46pm

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

Its just a fence; the last thing we need is to turn this into a bloody massacre. That kind of thing led to Oklahoma City.

Sorry, no, it’s not “just a fence”.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:42:26pm

re: #228 Tigger2

Which also led to a time when the militia types faded away for a long time.

Not out here, they didn’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:42:37pm

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:44:46pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

I’d rather we find a way to accomplish that that doesn’t involve letting one of them blow up a building and kill a whole bunch of innocents.

If they are going to blow up a building they will do that anyway, there are a lot of the other militias don’t even agree with want Bundy is doing.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:47:41pm

You can’t just let them keep getting away with doing what they want it will only embolden them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:47:55pm

re: #228 Tigger2

Which also led to a time when the militia types faded away for a long time.

I hope you aren’t suggesting that was worth this:

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:49:07pm

re: #235 Big Beautiful Door

I hope you aren’t suggesting that was worth this:

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Are you ready to give in to American Terrorist.

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ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:49:19pm

So Ryan admits they are blocking the AUMF for political reasons…

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:49:21pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Milo is still whining and ranting, and now he’s really showing his true colors.

“How come David Bowie is verified, @twitter? HE’S FUCKING DEAD”

Perhaps because they’ve verified that David Bowie, who was extremely verifiable in real life is now verifiably dead? Is verifiable enough? His existence on Planet Earth seems more easily verifiable than, say, the most basic biographical details of a certain wannabe journalist in Don Jonson garb.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:49:40pm

re: #235 Big Beautiful Door

I hope you aren’t suggesting that was worth this:

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They faded away after that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:50:09pm

re: #234 Tigger2

You can’t just let them keep getting away with doing what they want it will only embolden them.

Don’t let them get away with it. Seal them off, cut their power, and eventually they will have to surrender peaceably. That crazy bald guy wants to die in a blaze of glory; we don’t need to create any rightwing martyrs.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:50:19pm

I was REALLY down on the blood lust here and elsewhere early in this Oregon situation.

I would still not at all like to see anything close to a Waco scenario…but I have to admit my very limited faith in law enforcement is now all gone.

The fact these people have been allowed leave and return after a restaurant meal (among other things) is absolutely ridiculous.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:50:21pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

I’d rather we find a way to accomplish that that doesn’t involve letting one of them blow up a building and kill a whole bunch of innocents.

I don’t see how letting them think they have hope doesn’t end in more potential harm to innocents. The last time the Bundys threw a party people died, what benefit do we gain by further encouraging them?

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:50:21pm

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

One can dream of the chaos that would ensue, just as I can dream that I’ll win the $1.4 bn powerball. I’d make the presidential candidates come to my court dressed as jesters to entertain me, with the winner getting my $50 mill superpac donation.

I’ve never bought a lottery ticket, but I do have “my numbers” to remind me why I don’t play the lottery (besides not enjoying gambling.) Those numbers are 30, 31, 32, etc. for however many numbers you need. They appear as unlikely as they actually are, compared to more random numbers.
My husband (who doesn’t gamble either) will update me from time to time on whether I have any winning numbers in the day’s lottery.
That billion plus payout does sound nice, though.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:50:48pm

re: #237 ausador

So Ryan admits they are blocking the AUMF for political reasons…

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Um….there’s no such thing as the next president asking for a modified AUMF?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:51:38pm
We can be heroes
We can be heroes
We can be heroes
Just for one day
We can be heroes

We’re nothing, and nothing will help us
Maybe we’re lying, then you better not stay
But we could be safer, just for one day
Oh-oh-oh-ohh, oh-oh-oh-ohh, just for one day

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:52:50pm

Piss on the rightwing martyer stuff that would only work on a minority of people.

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nines09  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:53:55pm

I guess you can occupy Federal land armed to the teeth, destroy property, illegally use Federal vehicles, threaten a conflict, rip off said federal government, and get away with it. But run from the cops……

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:53:57pm

re: #243 calochortus

I’ve never bought a lottery ticket, but I do have “my numbers” to remind me why I don’t play the lottery (besides not enjoying gambling.) Those numbers are 30, 31, 32, etc. for however many numbers you need. They appear as unlikely as they actually are, compared to more random numbers.
My husband (who doesn’t gamble either) will update me from time to time on whether I have any winning numbers in the day’s lottery.
That billion plus payout does sound nice, though.

I rarely play either, but when it gets this high $2 isn’t much to spend for the chance to dream.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:54:22pm

re: #237 ausador

Actually refusing the AUMF ties the hands of the current President.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:55:20pm

re: #246 Tigger2

Piss on the rightwing martyer stuff that would only work on a minority of people.

It only takes one or two. McVeigh and Nichols killed 167 people.

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:55:26pm

I’ve not been posting my latest photos on here for a couple of days so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:56:29pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

Not out here, they didn’t.

^^THIS SO MUCH^^
People who do not live where militias run things have NO FREAKIN IDEA what it’s like.

Someday I am going to be forced to shoot someone trespassing on and damaging MY PRIVATE PROPERTY and I am NOT PLEASED.

The fact that the government to which I pay taxes in the amount of a very considerable five figures annually is letting these mooching asswipes get away with this crap frustrates me to no end.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:56:33pm

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

It only takes one or two. McVeigh and Nichols killed 167 people.

Just because it happened then doesn’t mean it will now.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:57:04pm

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

It only takes one or two. McVeigh and Nichols killed 167 people.

And your argument seems to be letting this group act without fear of repercussions will prevent that in the future. Why do you think so?

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:58:37pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

I rarely play either, but when it gets this high $2 isn’t much to spend for the chance to dream.

As long as you’re not betting the rent money and enjoy it, go for it. My main reason for not gambling is that I really don’t enjoy it. I’ll use that money for something I do like.

Hope you (or another Lizard) win(s) big. :-)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:59:10pm

re: #254 Bass Reeves

Besides, what logic says that bombing the Murrah building was a measured response to Waco?

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:59:27pm

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

It only takes one or two. McVeigh and Nichols killed 167 people.

You are pushing a lot of what ifs.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 3:59:51pm

re: #254 Bass Reeves

And your argument seems to be letting this group act without fear of repercussions will prevent that in the future. Why do you think so?

Knocking down strawmen is a rightwing tactic. Seal them off, cut their power, then when they surrender arrest and prosecute them. They want federal agents to come in with guns blazing; don’t give them what they want.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:00:54pm

re: #257 Tigger2

You are pushing a lot of what ifs.

Violence leads to more violence. When we decide that guns is the only way to resolve disputes the ammosexuals win.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:02:01pm

re: #251 Alephnaught

I’ve not been posting my latest photos on here for a couple of days so…

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What a lovely couple that first one is! Nothing more beautiful than a happy couple who are old enough to have some life experience.
[small]Which is totally unrelated to my being over 60, of course[/small]

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:02:33pm

re: #214 KGxvi

I have a conservative/libertarian facebook friend, she’s worked on campaigns, writes for a conservative website (where the commenters always accuse her of being a liberal or just a dumm lil gurl) and she posted something about Trump admiring Kim Jung Un’s ability to eliminate rivals. I mentioned after several comments of “he’s a moderate” “no he’s a conservative” “we need to stop him” that there’s a word for Trump that starts with “F” and linked to a column by Douthat of all people. I of course got one “really? he wants to establish a dictatorship and repeal the bill of rights?” response from somebody, but this is more about Douthat’s stopped clock moment…

He basically said that Trump’s supporters are necessarily opposed to government intervention, they’re just opposed to government intervention that they don’t like. That’s the rub when it comes to Trump and his supporters, they don’t fit any traditional American ideology - they’re willing to use any means necessary to get what they want, which is power and prestige.

I’m assuming you meant “AREN’T necessarily opposed to government intervention”.

I would suggest that this does indeed fit a traditional American ideology, the same one that opposed Government telling them they couldn’t have slaves while insisting the government force others to help them recover runaway slaves; or the ones who were happy to sacrifice due process during the McCarthy era; or the ones who used the force of government to preserve segregation and the subjugation of blacks while bitterly opposing any government intervention to integrate.

The pretense of favoring SMALL government when what they actually favor is government they control, and use to preserve and expand their privilege goes back to the 19th Century, at least.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:03:48pm

re: #255 calochortus

As long as you’re not betting the rent money and enjoy it, go for it. My main reason for not gambling is that I really don’t enjoy it. I’ll use that money for something I do like.

Hope you (or another Lizard) win(s) big. :-)

When it got up to big bucks a year or two ago, 10 of us each pitched 10 bucks into a pool for tickets. After the drawing, we cashed in the winners and we each got back $1.83. I like to brag that we “Made an 18% return of our investment”.

RBS

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:04:08pm

re: #250 Big Beautiful Door

It only takes one or two. McVeigh and Nichols killed 167 people.

What’s a matter you don’t like someone giving a counter argument to yours ? you have to down ding them. pathetic.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:04:25pm

re: #255 calochortus

As long as you’re not betting the rent money and enjoy it, go for it. My main reason for not gambling is that I really don’t enjoy it. I’ll use that money for something I do like.

Hope you (or another Lizard) win(s) big. :-)

$2 will pay for half a cup of Mrs. Fish’s favorite overpriced caffeinated blended beverage.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:06:08pm

re: #263 Tigger2

What’s a matter you don’t like someone giving a counter argument to yours ? you have to down ding them. pathetic.

I have to downding people so blithely calling for death and violence. That is what the rwnj do. We ought to be better than that.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:06:16pm

re: #263 Tigger2

What’s a matter you don’t like someone giving a counter argument to yours ? you have to down ding them. pathetic.

It’s more about calling for violence, than giving a counter-argument. Not all beliefs are equal, and some are dangerous. People who call for violence earn their downding.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:06:51pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Jon Stewart hit the nail on the head a couple years ago (when talking about Becktopia):

“They don’t really believe in freedom. ‘Freedom to.’ They believe in ‘freedom from.’ Freedom from liberals, from people they disagree with. From the sensibly priced clothing of Ann Taylor. These folks that cloak themselves in patriotism pretending they alone can reveal the true intent of our Constitution are not our Founding Fathers incarnate. They’re just another shitty neighborhood association whose nostalgia utopia will fall apart the minute somebody decides to paint their house mauve.”

mediaite.com

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:08:27pm

re: #264 thedopefishlives

Sounds reasonable to me. Although, in keeping with my boring persona, I generally drink my coffee at home (or perhaps at a friend’s house.) Just plain old black coffee, but I do want it to be good quality.

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Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:08:48pm

Tick tock So Cal gas runs the clock… AQMD is talking about making them build a pipe and incinerate this gas, aka flare it off. Far less damaging to the air, the area, the people now forced to move or change schools. Great embed code Charles, glad to see this lil feature work. Coming up on the equivalent of seven million metric tons of CO2.
edf.org

Video

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b_sharp  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:08:49pm

re: #263 Tigger2

What’s a matter you don’t like someone giving a counter argument to yours ? you have to down ding them. pathetic.

I find that being downdinged doesn’t really hurt all that much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:08:52pm

And just from a personal perspective:
I and my neighboring farmers/ranchers have had poachers and general assholes cut our fences, take chainsaws to our gateposts and/or tie chains/winches to our gates and destroy them.
Our livestock runs loose causing damage that WE are liable for, not to mention the cost of replacing gates and fences (which is considerable).

Fuck the Bundy Family and all the freebie grabbing asswipe moochers, and anyone who thinks this is no big fucking deal.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:09:06pm

re: #265 Big Beautiful Door

I have to downding people so blithely calling for death and violence. That is what the rwnj do. We ought to be better than that.

You don’t constantly give a terrorist or a bully what they want it only makes them want more and more.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:09:47pm

re: #263 Tigger2

What’s a matter you don’t like someone giving a counter argument to yours ? you have to down ding them. pathetic.

It wasn’t much of an argument. As a matter of fact there isn’t even anything you could discuss from your comment. Argument 101: an argument has a premise and a conclusion. You had neither.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:10:08pm

re: #269 Great White Snark

Tick tock So Cal gas runs the clock… AQMD is talking about making them build a pipe and incinerate this gas, aka flare it off. Far less damaging to the air, the area, the people now forced to move or change schools. Great embed code Charles, glad to see this lil feature work.
edf.org

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High time they did something. Seems they’ve been trying cheap fixes for way too long.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:10:41pm

re: #258 Big Beautiful Door

Knocking down strawmen is a rightwing tactic. Seal them off, cut their power, then when they surrender arrest and prosecute them. They want federal agents to come in with guns blazing; don’t give them what they want.

I don’t consider myself all that right wing. I don’t consider myself any right wing come to think of it. Sealing them off and cutting their power was a GREAT idea…a week ago.

Instead they’ve been offered pretty much the free run of the place, the ability to come and go as they please, a puppet shadow government they created, meetings with elected officials from other states, outside logistical support, continuous media access….and more people with guns to support them.

I will repeat: The last time the Bundys got to have a stand off with government officials and come away unscathed *people still died*. From a propaganda standpoint, they seem to be in a stronger position today than they were a week ago, and any ‘surrender’ now still has the Federal Government looking scared to engage them.

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TedStriker  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:10:53pm

re: #168 makeitstop

Bowie could have played a Time Lord. Hell, he could have been one for all we know.

Just like with Elvis, Bowie didn’t die, he just went home.

/semi

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:11:24pm

re: #270 b_sharp

I find that being downdinged doesn’t really hurt all that much.

I don’t mind down dings if it is warranted but just getting one for disagreeing is petty.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:11:26pm

re: #270 b_sharp

I find that being downdinged doesn’t really hurt all that much.

If you don’t get downdinged once in a while you’re not trying hard enough.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:12:14pm

I’d like to see a peaceful resolution to the Oregon situation that results in charges and incarceration for the various perpetrators involved. Preferably one that comes along sooner rather than later.

I don’t think this should be terribly controversial as an opinion.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:12:23pm

re: #277 Tigger2

What did you even disagree with?

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:12:52pm

re: #272 Tigger2

You don’t constantly give a terrorist or a bully what they want it only makes them want more and more.

You’ve forgotten that there’s a lot of options between violence and giving them a cookie.
When you find yourself saying toxic things, it’s time to walk away from the thread and do something you enjoy.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:12:59pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

And just from a personal perspective:
I and my neighboring farmers/ranchers have had poachers and general assholes cut our fences, take chainsaws to our gateposts and/or tie chains/winches to our gates and destroy them.
Our livestock runs loose causing damage that WE are liable for, not to mention the cost of replacing gates and fences (which is considerable).

Fuck the Bundy Family and all the freebie grabbing asswipe moochers, and anyone who thinks this is no big fucking deal.

I hadn’t thought of it from that perspective. What if the Bundy’s are letting someone’s cattle out and something happens to them? I’m not sure about Oregon, but I believe in Nevada if your cattle get out and stand on the freeway in the dark and someone hits them and is horribly injured, they have to pay the rancher for the damage to his property, even if he was negligent in letting the cattle onto the freeway. I gather your laws are a bit different?

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:13:08pm

re: #273 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

It wasn’t much of an argument. As a matter of fact there isn’t even anything you could discuss from your comment. Argument 101: an argument has a premise and a conclusion. You had neither.

And the others ones didn’t either just a lot of “what ifs’ it’s much more just a disagreement.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:13:10pm

Someone warm up the WHAAAAAmbulance:

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:13:21pm

re: #281 No Country For Old Haters

You’ve forgotten that there’s a lot of options between violence and giving them a cookie.
When you find yourself saying toxic things, it’s time to walk away from the thread and do something you enjoy.

The problem is when one enjoys coming and saying toxic things…

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:13:51pm

re: #279 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d like to see a peaceful resolution to the Oregon situation that results in charges and incarceration for the various perpetrators involved. Preferably one that comes along sooner rather than later.

I don’t think this should be terribly controversial as an opinion.

It’s fairly simple, to my mind. I don’t want them to get what they want, or to be pandered to. By the same token, I don’t have any particular desire to see them dead, not yet, at any rate. For right now, I would be just fine with the whole lot of them facing some hefty jail time and monetary restitution.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:14:22pm

re: #285 Testy Toad T

The problem is when one enjoys coming and saying toxic things…

Also, I fail to follow my own advice far too often. It’s easy to get wound up if you’re tired or had a bad day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:14:26pm

re: #279 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d like to see a peaceful resolution to the Oregon situation that results in charges and incarceration for the various perpetrators involved. Preferably one that comes along sooner rather than later.

I don’t think this should be terribly controversial as an opinion.

Yeppers.
I am all for cutting off the power and phones (why the hell are the taxpayers paying for that???)
So what if there are women and children there and it’s freezing cold? They are all free to just go back home where they came from.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:15:21pm

re: #280 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

What did you even disagree with?

That you have to do something not just sit back. but really the law enforcement up there hasn’t done anything yet.

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Nyet  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:16:02pm

re: #289 Tigger2

That something is what klys wrote above.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:16:11pm

re: #284 bratwurst

Someone warm up the WHAAAAAmbulance:

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Rand has been demoted to the kids’ table? Oh, do pass the popcorn.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:16:38pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeppers.
I am all for cutting off the power and phones (why the hell are the taxpayers paying for that???)
So what if there are women and children there and it’s freezing cold? They are all free to just go back home where they came from.

It’ll be portrayed by the nuts as trying to kill these Patriots and their kids, even though they can go right out to their trucks and warm up. Law enforcement is in a bad situation with these heavily-armed clowns, and they know that it’s important that they don’t fuck up and turn the public against them like at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:16:44pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

Rand has been demoted to the kids’ table? Oh, do pass the popcorn.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:17:09pm

re: #286 thedopefishlives

It’s fairly simple, to my mind. I don’t want them to get what they want, or to be pandered to. By the same token, I don’t have any particular desire to see them dead, not yet, at any rate. For right now, I would be just fine with the whole lot of them facing some hefty jail time and monetary restitution.

Letting them mouth off and admit to federal crimes on camera seems to be going swimmingly. I would like that evidence to actually get used in a trial someday, though.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:17:17pm

re: #283 Tigger2

And the others ones didn’t either just a lot of “what ifs’ it’s much more just a disagreement.

If there’s anybody that can downdinged for presenting an argument, it’s me. I gotta say at least the what-ifs are at least something you can debate. “Piss on the RWNJ martyr complex” (or what it is that that effect that I saw get downdinged simply ins’t an argument. Heck a lot of people probably feel that way, but can at least have a discussion that goes somewhere. Basically saying “Piss on…” is a dead end statement.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:17:35pm

re: #239 Tigger2

They faded away after that.

They did NOT fade away by any stretch of the imagination. Extremism by domestic anti-government groups is higher today than it was at its previous peak in 1996 when one of their own detonated an explosive in Centennial Park at the Atlanta Summer Olympic Games. The only reason that there hasn’t been another Oklahoma City event is because they have been caught before they were able to carry out their plans.

en.wikipedia.org

Note that this doesn’t include the mass shootings like the one carried out by Dylan Roof last year - that’s another list altogether.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:18:34pm

re: #293 bratwurst

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Bahahaha. I believe it’s curtains for Luap Dnar, if he won’t even put in an appearance.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:18:59pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

Rand has been demoted to the kids’ table? Oh, do pass the popcorn.

Is Carly out?

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b_sharp  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:19:14pm

re: #278 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

If you don’t get downdinged once in a while you’re not trying hard enough.

I relish my downdings. They tell me I’m not a bot.
I relish my downdings. They tell me I’m not a bot.
I relish my downdings. They tell me I’m not a bot.
…. Clunk….
I relish my downdings. They tell me I’m not a bot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:19:27pm

re: #279 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d like to see a peaceful resolution to the Oregon situation that results in charges and incarceration for the various perpetrators involved. Preferably one that comes along sooner rather than later.

I don’t think this should be terribly controversial as an opinion.

Sure. The question is, how much of that is possible? How soon? How long until it’s no longer tolerable if unresolved? When you reach the point where it’s no longer tolerable, how do you respond?

I gotta tell you, with the cutting of fences to let privately owned cattle graze in a wildlife refuge, the use of Federal vehicles, and the accessing of government computers and the personal information of USG employees, I am perilously close to the ‘no longer tolerable’ point where I would accept an overwhelming response. And while I am sensitive to the ‘violence begets violence’ argument, it’s also true that letting criminals steal your stuff begets MORE criminals stealing your stuff.

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Tigger2  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:19:33pm

re: #296 Bill and Opus for 2016!

They did NOT fade away by any stretch of the imagination. Extremism by domestic anti-government groups is higher today than it was at its previous peak in 1996 when one of their own detonated an explosive in Centennial Park at the Atlanta Summer Olympic Games. The only reason that there hasn’t been another Oklahoma City event is because they have been caught before they were able to carry out their plans.

en.wikipedia.org

Note that this doesn’t include the mass shootings like the one carried out by Dylan Roof last year - that’s another list altogether.

They did on the most part until America elected a black President. That seemed to jump start them again.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:20:58pm

re: #267 Timothy Watson

god, that last line reminds me that there is no greater argument against democracy than a homeowner’s association. It’s Plato’s critique of democracy in action.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:21:01pm

re: #292 No Country For Old Haters

It’ll be portrayed by the nuts as trying to kill these Patriots and their kids, even though they can go right out to their trucks and warm up. Law enforcement is in a bad situation with these heavily-armed clowns, and they know that it’s important that they don’t fuck up and turn the public against them like at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

I really so do not freaking care since I know people (adults and children) who through no fault of their own are actually freezing and hungry tonight and will wake up hungry and cold tomorrow morning.
Ammon Bundy was able to get an half million dollar SBA loan, no questions asked, for a valet car company in Arizona. Regular people aren’t that lucky to be a member of a rich and influential Mormon family.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Is Carly out?

Yes, she’s dining at the kids table

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:21:21pm

re: #293 bratwurst

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:21:49pm

You still have free speech, fuckbag.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:22:16pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

Sure. The question is, how much of that is possible? How soon? How long until it’s no longer tolerable if unresolved? When you reach the point where it’s no longer tolerable, how do you respond?

I gotta tell you, with the cutting of fences to let privately owned cattle graze in a wildlife refuge, the use of Federal vehicles, and the accessing of government computers and the personal information of USG employees, I am perilously close to the ‘no longer tolerable’ point where I would accept an overwhelming response. And while I am sensitive to the ‘violence begets violence’ argument, it’s also true that letting criminals steal your stuff begets MORE criminals stealing your stuff.

I am 100% on board with the cut power contingent. I am hoping for a response sooner rather than later.

At what point I’m okay with risking the lives of the responding officers …that I’m not sure on the answer yet. Which means I’m not at the tipping point yet for me. I would probably need to see the failure of the more peaceful means open to us before I would really be comfortable with it, but the beautiful thing is: I’m not in charge of this fucked-up situation.

Thank God.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:22:32pm

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

Is Carly out?

Yes! Somehow her 3% in both Iowa and New Hampshire were not enough.

It’s Trump, Cruz, Carson, Rubio, Bush, Christie and (oddly) Kasich.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:22:36pm

Who the fuck is Milo Yiannopoulos and why am I supposed to care that his (?) verified twitter thing got discontinued.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:23:08pm

re: #299 b_sharp

The Stepford Wives (7/9) Movie CLIP - I Thought We Were Friends (1975) HD

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:23:21pm

re: #308 bratwurst

Yes! Somehow her 3% in both Iowa and New Hampshire were not enough.

It’s Trump, Cruz, Carson, Rubio, Bush, Christie and (somehow) Kasich.

It’s going to blow my freaking mind when Kasich ends up the establishment rally-point.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:23:47pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

Sure. The question is, how much of that is possible? How soon? How long until it’s no longer tolerable if unresolved? When you reach the point where it’s no longer tolerable, how do you respond?

I gotta tell you, with the cutting of fences to let privately owned cattle graze in a wildlife refuge, the use of Federal vehicles, and the accessing of government computers and the personal information of USG employees, I am perilously close to the ‘no longer tolerable’ point where I would accept an overwhelming response. And while I am sensitive to the ‘violence begets violence’ argument, it’s also true that letting criminals steal your stuff begets MORE criminals stealing your stuff.

I’m with you on this one. If they want to “occupy” then make them work at it. Total shutdown into the area. Anybody inside is free to leave, but once they are outside the perimeter, that’s it, they can’t re-enter. One designated spokesman from the inside allowed to come up to the gate area to make statements / negotiate. A small press contingent providing pool coverage for all.

Right now it seems to be, at best, a half-assed effort by the government

RBS.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:24:53pm

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

You still have free speech, fuckbag.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:25:29pm

re: #312 Reality Based Steve

Right now it seems to be, at best, a half-assed effort by the government

RBS.

It appears to be. There is a dangerous tipping point at which, even if the feds have some sort of grand master scheme, it’s still going to have been harmful that they appeared to be half-assed for so long. Appearances matter.

I don’t think we’re at that point quite yet, but I won’t disagree strenuously with someone who says we are.

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Nyet  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:25:40pm

re: #309 Testy Toad T

Who the fuck is Milo Yiannopoulos and why am I supposed to care that his (?) verified twitter thing got discontinued.

He’s the Trump of the conservative internet.

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bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:26:55pm

re: #311 Testy Toad T

It’s going to blow my freaking mind when Kasich ends up the establishment rally-point.

There is much to dislike about Kasich…but if the establishment wants an anti-Trump, might not be a bad idea to go with a guy who actually dares to upset the mouth breathers by being directly critical of the man and his deeply nasty proposals.

No, Jeb’s focus group tested “chaos candidate” talking point doesn’t count.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:27:03pm

Haven’t caught up on the lower third of the thread yet, but I think any response to disparaging comments about Megyn Kelly should be responded to in a language he understands - Megyn’s husband should openly avow to knock Trump’s lights out.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:27:10pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

I went to college on the eastern side of Indiana, over by Marion. That name may be familiar to anyone who’s studied racial history; in 1930, the last known public lynching of black people occurred when three young black men, accused of killing a white man and raping his girlfriend, were dragged from their jail cell, attacked, and two of them were hanged.

Think you meant something like “multiple” lynching. Claude Neal was lynched a few years later in the next county—the last defined “spectacle” lynching.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:27:33pm

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

You still have free speech, fuckbag.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:28:11pm

re: #292 No Country For Old Haters

It’ll be portrayed by the nuts as trying to kill these Patriots and their kids, even though they can go right out to their trucks and warm up. Law enforcement is in a bad situation with these heavily-armed clowns, and they know that it’s important that they don’t fuck up and turn the public against them like at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Leaving Ruby Ridge aside, I cannot for one second understand how ANYONE could be mad at the USG for Waco. The Davidians responded to legally sworn warrants with gunfire and killed FOUR LEOS, then were given A MONTH AND A HALF to surrender. They had A MONTH AND A HALF to get the children out of harm’s way, and they didn’t.

There is no right under the US Constitution to refuse to comply with a legally sworn warrant, and there is ABSOLUTELY no right to shoot and kill LEOs acting on those warrants.

The mistake wasn’t the raid. The mistake was not raiding sooner, and with more overwhelming force.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:28:11pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Who would want anything to do with this bitter old chode if he weren’t worth billions?

he has a face like a scrotum wearing a ferret

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:28:20pm

Why in the fuck is Chris Mathews allowing Ann Coulter and Liz Mair on his show in five minutes?

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:28:23pm

re: #318 Decatur Deb

Think you meant something like “multiple” lynching. Claude Neal was lynched a few years later in the next county—the last defined “spectacle” lynching.

I was actually quoting from the Wikipedia article on Marion, as well as local folklore. I stand corrected.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:30:17pm

re: #316 bratwurst

There is much to dislike about Kasich…but if the establishment wants an anti-Trump, might not be a bad idea to go with a guy who actually dares to upset the mouth breathers by being directly critical of the man and his deeply nasty proposals.

No, Jeb’s “chaos candidate” talking point doesn’t count.

He might actually be, which is the craziest part of all. As the blandest, he probably has the fewest angles from which Trump can land empty but powerful attacks. Christie has his weight, Rubio has the foreign ickiness and general derpface, Bush has the terrible slow-motion telegraphed focus-grouped jabs and laughable trajectory, and that’s pretty much the list.

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:30:43pm

I forgot that Mathews interviewed Coulter for his doc on Trump a few weeks ago.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:31:10pm

re: #322 Kid A

Why in the fuck is Chris Mathews allowing Ann Coulter on his show in five minutes?

Because Reagan and Tip used to have drinks together? I’m honestly amazed that Mathews is still on, back in college in the late 90s, I watched Hardball nearly daily (I was a polisci major and obviously sick in the head, but I repeat myself). It’s 20 years later and nothing’s changed.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:31:17pm

re: #296 Bill and Opus for 2016!

This is missing the Ft. Stewart, GA plot (where I am currently stationed) where the ringleader of that plot killed his pregnant wife and was bankrolling his anti-govt militia with her life insurance. Most of the group was constantly drugged, prescription and otherwise, but they managed to kill two others.

There were to billboards recruiting for the Oathkeepers within a mile of the base for over a year after the plot was discovered.

I’m not actually advocating for a lethal bullet solution, but with patriots like these….

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Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:31:57pm

re: #322 Kid A

Why in the fuck is Chris Mathews allowing Ann Coulter and Liz Mair on his show in five minutes?

So Coulter can drink Liz Mair’s blood for being a RINO?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:32:08pm

re: #323 thedopefishlives

I was actually quoting from the Wikipedia article on Marion, as well as local folklore. I stand corrected.

They probably just dropped a qualifier. Our town still has a suspected 1990s lynching under FBI investigation. It seemed unlikely until the recent photos of our cops fondling the confederate flag. Now it’s a bit less-unlikely.

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:32:22pm

“Americans are being outvoted by foreigners.” -Ann Coulter

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:33:48pm

re: #322 Kid A

Why in the fuck is Chris Mathews allowing Ann Coulter on his show in five minutes?

last time i saw her on matthew’s he politely flogged her book and as a thank you she was rude and insulting towards him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:33:49pm

People in Flint, Michigan, do not have safe drinking water and their children have lead poisoning as a direct result of fiscally conservative Michigan government “saving money”.

I don’t see any Bundy-type militias taking over the waterworks there.

Wonder why that is….

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:34:05pm

re: #330 Kid A

“Americans are being outvoted by foreigners.” -Ann Coulter

“People who work for a living are outnumbered by people who vote for a living” — Stupid Assholes On Twitter

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nines09  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:34:07pm

re: #330 Kid A

“Americans are being outvoted by foreigners.” -Ann Coulter

Did Chris Mathews tell her she was full of shit and looked like an anemic zombie? If not, fuck Chris for giving this cretinous slime air time.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:34:36pm

re: #314 Testy Toad T

It appears to be. There is a dangerous tipping point at which, even if the feds have some sort of grand master scheme, it’s still going to have been harmful that they appeared to be half-assed for so long. Appearances matter.

I don’t think we’re at that point quite yet, but I won’t disagree strenuously with someone who says we are.

We also have the failure of law enforcement at providing any consequences for the first Cliven Bundy circus as background information.

That was a major failure, and just encourages these militia types to engage in further dangerous nonsense.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:36:10pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

The mistake wasn’t the raid. The mistake was not raiding sooner, and with more overwhelming force.

There are a whole lot of people that believe that the government torched the compound. Bill Hicks was distributing a video of the feds supposedly using flamethrowing vehicles to set the building on fire.

Watch some of the videos at this link. Turn off the audio on the “flamethrower” videos because a narrator is telling you what to see, and that may manipulate the viewer.

Let me know what you see.

youtube.com

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:36:36pm

Ann Coulter is one dumbass lawyer.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:38:31pm

re: #337 Kid A

Ann Coulter is one dumbass lawyer.

But she sure knows how to get paid by feeding hateful people their own bile.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:38:41pm

re: #337 Kid A

Ann Coulter is one dumbass lawyer.

Lawyer fur reel? I had her for a hair-product testing specialtist.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:39:37pm

re: #330 Kid A

“Americans intelligent people are being outvoted by foreigners morons.” -Ann Coulter

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:39:39pm

I guess Ann screwed Liz’s boyfriend or something because Liz clearly hates Ann.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:39:44pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

I don’t even like or respect Megyn Kelly but the way Trump talks about her and other women is digusting. Trump’s a sexist pig so of course he’s loved by Republican voters.

But surprisingly Republican women seem to have no problem with Trump’s sexist rhetoric.
thehill.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:40:10pm

Last week, the proper response was to establish a perimeter around the compound and only let people out. No supplies going in, nobody joining up.

But we didn’t do that, did we?

No, we sat back and let them bring in supplies, and more people including human shields. Now we’re letting them drive around in our vehicles, burning our gas, dicking around on our computers, and accessing the private information of people who work for us. They’re letting privately owned cattle onto a wildlife refuge we established to keep privately owned cattle OUT.

Now, that perimeter is only the first step in what we need to do. Because we didn’t want to be seen as overreacting, we’re now facing a well-aremed, well-supplied, emboldened adversary who has successfuly thumbed his nose at all of us AGAIN. Let’s be absolutely clear here - Ammon Bundy et al are spitting in the face of all of us, denying the very basis of our system of self-government.

Last week, I alternated between anger and laughter. I’m not laughing now.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:40:25pm

re: #330 Kid A

“Americans are being outvoted by foreigners.” -Ann Coulter

I didn’t know that foreigners could vote.

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:41:07pm

The little known secret is that 15-20% of women in swing states that are registered as or identify as Republican are going to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination.

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Billy Batts  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:41:30pm

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

I didn’t know that foreigners could vote.

I’m just quoting the dumbass lawyer!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:41:52pm

What makes life worth living sometimes: Father-daughter tea parties and building Lego sets with my son.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:43:18pm

re: #336 No Country For Old Haters

There are a whole lot of people that believe that the government torched the compound. Bill Hicks was distributing a video of the feds supposedly using flamethrowing vehicles to set the building on fire.

Watch some of the videos at this link. Turn off the audio on the “flamethrower” videos because a narrator is telling you what to see, and that may manipulate the viewer.

Let me know what you see.

I have ZERO interest in relitigating Waco. I feel bad for the children, I really do. But the adults? Fuck them. They had their chance for a MONTH AND A HALF after they responded to legal warrants with gunfire. They brought it on themselves, and honestly anyone who defends them can just fuck right off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:43:32pm

I’ll share one more thing from a personal perspective.

The asshole 2nd amendment people cutting fences and other bullshit are not necessarily the backwoods locals.
But they are MOST DEFINITELY the city folk wolverines who show up on three-day holiday weekend to blow up all kinds of ordnance on the property they were able to buy for cheap and other shit they couldn’t get away with back in their safe little gated high dollar communities.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:43:49pm

re: #293 bratwurst

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A first-tier campaign which is dull and ineffective. Poor Paul. He has been Trumped.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:46:26pm

These people need to just fuck the right off

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:47:07pm

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exit stage left, pursued by a bear.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:47:09pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:48:12pm

re: #350 Patricia Kayden

A first-tier campaign which is dull and ineffective. Poor Paul. He has been Trumped.

Don’t you mean “schlonged”

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:48:20pm

re: #260 calochortus

What a lovely couple that first one is! Nothing more beautiful than a happy couple who are old enough to have some life experience.
Which is totally unrelated to my being over 60, of course

I agree!
The fact the I’ve been with with my husband well over a decade is completely coincidental, of course.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:48:35pm

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people need to just fuck the right off

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Perhaps it’s just a thing from the cowboy movies, but isn’t cutting a fence a really, really big no-no out west?

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lizardofid  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:50:53pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Perhaps it’s just a thing from the cowboy movies, but isn’t cutting a fence a really, really big no-no out west?

It doesn’t rise to the level of being a sheep man, but it’s close.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:50:55pm

Hooray, filled out paperwork so I can go see the doctor tomorrow.

Being a responsible adult is full of fun and thrilling to do list items!

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:51:36pm

re: #358 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hooray, filled out paperwork so I can go see the doctor tomorrow.

Being a responsible adult is full of fun and thrilling to do list items!

I’m done adulting. I’m driving back to St. Paul for most of the week for business meetings, followed by my first official business trip next week.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:52:21pm

re: #355 Alephnaught

I agree!
The fact the I’ve been with with my husband well over a decade is completely coincidental, of course.

Yup total coincidence. May you have many more well-over-a-decades together.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:52:48pm

re: #358 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hooray, filled out paperwork so I can go see the doctor tomorrow.

Being a responsible adult is full of fun and thrilling to do list items!

You’re not really an adult until you’ve had to replace a water heater that broke and dumped gallons of water in your garage or basement.
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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:52:57pm

re: #348 Blind Frog Belly White

I have ZERO interest in relitigating Waco. I feel bad for the children, I really do. But the adults? Fuck them. They had their chance for a MONTH AND A HALF after they responded to legal warrants with gunfire. They brought it on themselves, and honestly anyone who defends them can just fuck right off.

So you don’t even care if the feds burned them to death? If the feds torched the place, and that’s a really big if, no one brings that on themselves, because that’s not what we expect the U.S. government to do.

I assumed Koresh killed them, and if that’s the case, the cult members did bring it on themselves, but then I saw that damn video on a Bill Hicks tape, and it doesn’t seem like he’d distribute a hoax video.

The straw I’m holding onto is that maybe a cult member was trying to repel the vehicle with fire, and people seeing the tape intentionally or mistakenly interpreted it as a flame-throwing vehicle.

It could also be a hoax video that Hicks fell for.

Whatever happened, there is this video out there, meant to convince people that our government murdered a cult.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

re: #354 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Don’t you mean “schlonged”

Same difference.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:53:49pm

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re not really an adult until you’ve had to replace a water heater that broke and dumped gallons of water in your garage or basement.
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DON’T YOU SAY THAT.

I met with the termite inspector today. Doesn’t that count for something?

(Third date with mr. klys included the excitement of figuring out how to relight the pilot light on his hot water heater.)

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:55:07pm

re: #364 klys (maker of Silmarils)

DON’T YOU SAY THAT.

I met with the termite inspector today. Doesn’t that count for something?

(Third date with mr. klys included the excitement of figuring out how to relight the pilot light on his hot water heater.)

On my first weekend with Mrs. Fish, I was fixing her father-in-law’s computer. She told me later that she rather enjoyed the view when I crawled under the desk.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:55:41pm

re: #307 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am 100% on board with the cut power contingent. I am hoping for a response sooner rather than later.

At what point I’m okay with risking the lives of the responding officers …that I’m not sure on the answer yet. Which means I’m not at the tipping point yet for me. I would probably need to see the failure of the more peaceful means open to us before I would really be comfortable with it, but the beautiful thing is: I’m not in charge of this fucked-up situation.

Thank God.

As I understand it, they are in a remote area not very close to many people. So it ought to be possible to isolate them and wait them out. Impatient is likely to get people killed. I don’t want federal agents to die, and I don’t even want the crazy bald guy to die, even if he wants martyrdom.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:55:51pm

re: #358 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hooray, filled out paperwork so I can go see the doctor tomorrow.

Being a responsible adult is full of fun and thrilling to do list items!

I got my fill of adulting this morning. Colonoscopy. Everything looks good-and by contrast, Wednesday’s dental hygiene appointment will be nothing. (Colonoscopy: no problem. Prep for aforementioned colonoscopy: Blech. There must be some way to make that gallon o’ industrial waste you have to drink, better.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:56:10pm

re: #362 No Country For Old Haters

So you don’t even care if the feds burned them to death? If the feds torched the place, and that’s a really big if, no one brings that on themselves, because that’s not what we expect the U.S. government to do.

I assumed Koresh killed them, and if that’s the case, the cult members did bring it on themselves, but then I saw that damn video on a Bill Hicks tape, and it doesn’t seem like he’d distribute a hoax video.

The straw I’m holding onto is that maybe a cult member was trying to repel the vehicle with fire, and people seeing the tape intentionally or mistakenly interpreted it as a flame-throwing vehicle.

It could also be a hoax video that Hicks fell for.

Whatever happened, there is this video out there, meant to convince people that our government murdered a cult.

No, because I see absolutely no reason why the Feds would do that, and every reason in the world why a bunch of batshit crazy cultists would torch themselves.

AFAIC, “The Feds torched the place!” is Chemtrail-level horseshit, on a par with ‘Fire can’t melt steel!’.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:56:25pm

re: #308 bratwurst

Yes! Somehow her 3% in both Iowa and New Hampshire were not enough.

It’s Trump, Cruz, Carson, Rubio, Bush, Christie and (oddly) Kasich.

Kasich has soared into second place in recent NH polls.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:57:11pm

re: #364 klys (maker of Silmarils)

DON’T YOU SAY THAT.

I met with the termite inspector today. Doesn’t that count for something?

(Third date with mr. klys included the excitement of figuring out how to relight the pilot light on his hot water heater.)

Did you find any critters?

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Cheechako  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:58:23pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Perhaps it’s just a thing from the cowboy movies, but isn’t cutting a fence a really, really big no-no out west?

Cutting the fence was a show for the media about how bad-ass they were. Only take a couple of hours to replace. Not worth getting your panties bunched up over this. Although they did have nice video of a “criminal” in action to show at the trial.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:58:36pm

re: #370 calochortus

Did you find any critters?

A few signs of, but nothing that says MUST BE DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW. He’s recommending tenting, but agreed it is something that can be put off until we’re selling, given that we’re seriously talking about that in the 6 months to a year timeframe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:59:18pm

re: #372 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A few signs of, but nothing that says MUST BE DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW. He’s recommending tenting, but agreed it is something that can be put off until we’re selling, given that we’re seriously talking about that in the 6 months to a year timeframe.

Heisenberg will be cooking in your house while you’re gone….

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 4:59:23pm

re: #368 Blind Frog Belly White

No, because I see absolutely no reason why the Feds would do that, and every reason in the world why a bunch of batshit crazy cultists would torch themselves.

AFAIC, “The Feds torched the place!” is Chemtrail-level horseshit, on a par with ‘Fire can’t melt steel!’.

Same here, but then there’s that video. I’m not trying to convince you that the feds torched it, I’m trying to get someone to tell me they see something other than the feds torching the place in the video.

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:00:42pm

re: #309 Testy Toad T

Who the fuck is Milo Yiannopoulos and why am I supposed to care that his (?) verified twitter thing got discontinued.

I’m reminded of the time Glaswegian comedian Brian Limond (aka @DaftLimmy) expertly trolled him, and someone on a UK Comedy board was asking who Milo Yiannopoulos was, and got the succinct answer:

“Internet c[COUGH!]”

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:01:21pm

Kinda lingering and working and watching the conversation today about Bundy Oregon.

I hope people remember some history and add it into the discussion, particularly the outcome of the government taking to hard line tactics to stop groups of people the feds want to charge/control, etc.

At both Ruby Ridge and Waco the feds going in hard to take control of the situation did not go well. So far the many bureaus that have the ability to arm themselves for an arrest of an armed group have not been real good at doing it. All their plans sounded good on paper. They got people killed, some of them federal agents.

From this New York Times article that is from July this year Memories of Waco Siege Continue to Fuel Far-Right Groups

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Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms suspected that, whatever their theology, the Davidians were amassing an illegal arsenal. On Feb. 28, 1993, agents descended on Mount Carmel. A gun battle broke out. Each side blamed the other for having fired first. Either way, the results were disastrous: Four agents and half a dozen members of the sect were killed.

The shootout led to a 51-day siege, with the Federal Bureau of Investigation taking charge for the government. Hoping to induce a surrender, agents tried to disorient the Davidians — by way of sleep deprivation, for instance, with all-night floodlighting of the compound and the blaring of horrible sounds like the screams of rabbits being slaughtered.

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The Waco events did not occur in a vacuum. Eight months earlier, federal agents laid siege to the compound of a family of white separatists in Ruby Ridge, Idaho. That encirclement also ended badly, with several people killed, among them a 14-year-old boy. F.B.I. officials later acknowledged that their operations at Ruby Ridge had been “terribly flawed.”

As for Waco, a Harvard professor of law and psychiatry, Dr. Alan A. Stone, took the F.B.I. to task in a report to the Justice Department in November 1993. An apocalyptic sect like the Branch Davidians should not have been handled as if it would “submit to tactical pressure” the way a band of ordinary criminals would, Dr. Stone said. Government agents sought to prove to Mr. Koresh that they were in control. Instead, Dr. Stone said, they drove him to the “ultimate act of control — destruction of himself and his group.”

The grim events in Texas and Idaho proved sobering for the government. Its agents began to exercise more patience with defiant militant groups. An armed standoff in 1996 with the Montana Freemen ended without a shot fired and with the Freemen’s surrender after 81 days. In Nevada last year, agents of the federal Bureau of Land Management tactically retreated rather than get into a shooting war with rifle-toting supporters of Cliven Bundy. Mr. Bundy, a rancher given to racist rants, owed the government more than $1 million in grazing fees amassed over two decades, but cast his refusal to pay as the act of a patriot and not, as many of his critics suspected, of a deadbeat.

-CUT-

Good article considering how the end of the year turned out.

I still remember seeing the agents going onto the Waco compound roof and getting tore up by some big ass machine gun from inside, then another machine gun from the Branch Davidians started to fire up through the roof as the agents bailed out and got off the roof. I think two agents died in that bit.

The article seems to be saying after all that what we are seeing now is what is going to be the response. I only posted about half the article.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:04:20pm
Director Nicolas Roeg and David Bowie on the set of The Man Who Fell To Earth (1976)
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:05:15pm

re: #374 No Country For Old Haters

Same here, but then there’s that video. I’m not trying to convince you that the feds torched it, I’m trying to get someone to tell me they see something other than the feds torching the place in the video.

Screw the video. It’s been investigated, and I’m not an expert in combustion. Why would I trust what I think I see when I have no experience to base the evaluation on?

I’d have to believe everyone involved willingly burned those people to death, and is perfectly fine with it, and never went to the media. That’s on one side. On the other you have people who refused A MONTH AND A HALF of opportunities to surrender, and made it clear they would rather die.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:05:16pm

re: #371 Cheechako

Cutting the fence was a show for the media about how bad-ass they were. Only take a couple of hours to replace. Not worth getting your panties bunched up over this. Although they did have nice video of a “criminal” in action to show at the trial.

Exactly my point. Not a reason to get into a firefight with a bunch of heavily armed whackos.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:05:44pm

Finished the first day of our college voter registration drive. Our team did quite well by positioning between the long bookstore lines and the food court. There weren’t many, but 18 year olds who have given up kind of piss me off.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:06:26pm

re: #372 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A few signs of, but nothing that says MUST BE DEALT WITH RIGHT NOW. He’s recommending tenting, but agreed it is something that can be put off until we’re selling, given that we’re seriously talking about that in the 6 months to a year timeframe.

If it is localized you are probably better off doing a local treatment rather than waiting and tenting. Termite people are pretty much required to recommend tenting because that is the only sure way to get all of them-even the ones they can’t see. On the other hand, if you truly are only going to be there another 6 months it probably doesn’t matter.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:07:46pm

re: #371 Cheechako

Cutting the fence was a show for the media about how bad-ass they were. Only take a couple of hours to replace. Not worth getting your panties bunched up over this. Although they did have nice video of a “criminal” in action to show at the trial.

Took over a federal building: check.
Went through government documents: check.
Drove federal vehicles: check.
Tore down a fence on federal property: check.

And they’re on video. I bet these dudes don’t have the money the Affluenza family has.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:09:37pm

re: #381 calochortus

If it is localized you are probably better off doing a local treatment rather than waiting and tenting. Termite people are pretty much required to recommend tenting because that is the only sure way to get all of them-even the ones they can’t see. On the other hand, if you truly are only going to be there another 6 months it probably doesn’t matter.

It sounds like most of what he saw was external anyway. We’ll see what the actual report says.

Chances are very high that the buyers will want to tent the house before moving in anyway.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:09:38pm

Later…heading off to watch some oblong pig leather ball national champ game with friends. I’m going for the snacks and the party!

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Bass Reeves  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:10:17pm

re: #379 Big Beautiful Door

I understand your unwillingness to get into a firefight. How do you arrest them when they walk out if they are still armed?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:11:56pm

re: #385 Bass Reeves

I understand your unwillingness to get into a firefight. How do you arrest them when they walk out if they are still armed?

No-Kill latte traps.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:12:48pm

re: #385 Bass Reeves

I understand your unwillingness to get into a firefight. How do you arrest them when they walk out if they are still armed?

You tell them to drop their weapons and put their hands on their heads. If they don’t comply, you taser them. If one of them shoots at a cop, police are then justified in shooting back.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:14:31pm

re: #387 No Country For Old Haters

You tell them to drop their weapons and put their hands on their heads. If they don’t comply, you taser them. If one of them shoots at a cop, police are then justified in shooting back.

So this would not be a Cleveland PD operation?

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:14:36pm

Make America Adam Baldwin great rich again!

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:15:02pm

re: #387 No Country For Old Haters

You tell them to drop their weapons and put their hands on their heads. If they don’t comply, you taser them. If one of them shoots at a cop, police are then justified in shooting back.

How are you going to taser them from outside the building?

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:15:16pm

Jeb attacked by a herd of spoons.

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calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:15:18pm

re: #383 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Chances are very high that the buyers will want to tent the house before moving in anyway.

Probably so. It is sooooo much easier to do it when the place is empty.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:15:47pm

re: #389 De Kolta Chair

Make Adam Baldwin great rich again!

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And here you thought Adam Baldwin was a good actor when he played the rather stupid Jayne Cobb.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:16:10pm

re: #390 Belafon

How are you going to taser them from outside the building?

Given that the quote he was responding to asked how he would arrest them if they walked out still armed…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:16:31pm

re: #385 Bass Reeves

Repurpose the electromagnets out of retired MRI’s to yank the firearms out of their hands.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:16:55pm

re: #388 Decatur Deb

So this would not be a Cleveland PD operation?

They’re white Guys. LEOs can handle this without killing anyone.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:17:20pm

re: #395 Eric The Fruit Bat

Repurpose the electromagnets out of retired MRI’s to yank the firearms out of their hands.

The Magneto approach to conflict resolution.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:17:29pm

re: #392 calochortus

Probably so. It is sooooo much easier to do it when the place is empty.

Main reason to put it off.

Apparently termites don’t like the cold. Time to move somewhere that gets snow!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:17:38pm

re: #385 Bass Reeves

I understand your unwillingness to get into a firefight. How do you arrest them when they walk out if they are still armed?

They don’t get to leave unless they drop their weapons and surrender.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:17:48pm

re: #391 jaunte

Jeb attacked by a herd of spoons.

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“Let our powers combine to form a giant exclamation mark!”

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:17:58pm

re: #390 Belafon

How are you going to taser them from outside the building?

By them being outside the building when arrested.

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thedopefishlives  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:18:07pm

re: #398 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Main reason to put it off.

Apparently termites don’t like the cold. Time to move somewhere that gets snow!

So, when are you moving up here? ;)

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:18:11pm

re: #394 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Given that the quote he was responding to asked how he would arrest them if they walked out still armed…

Thanks, I guess I glazed over that part.

404
Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:18:36pm

re: #390 Belafon

How are you going to taser them from outside the building?

Yeah, that’s kinda the problem. The trick is to get them completely isolated in that building, then provide them only one way out, and that way requires them to drop their guns, and none of it offers them the opportunity to shoot anyone.

Not sure how to do that. A progressively constricting perimeter.

405
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:18:51pm

re: #396 No Country For Old Haters

They’re white Guys. LEOs can handle this without killing anyone.

(Simple answer is to not let them out until they beg naked for it. Say, April.)

406
Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:19:46pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

(Simple answer is to not let them out until they beg naked for it. Say, April.)

Yeah, if it’s too cold, people might start laughing at them.

407
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:20:36pm

re: #402 thedopefishlives

So, when are you moving up here? ;)

But it’s very flat.

I’m thinking somewhere with mountains.

408
Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:20:46pm

re: #406 Belafon

Yeah, if it’s too cold, people might start laughing at them.

‘The water was cold! There was shrinkage!”

409
De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:21:34pm

Thanks, Mario, for reminding me why I’m a Yellow Dog Democrat:

410
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:23:16pm

re: #409 De Kolta Chair

Thanks, Mario, for reminding me why I’m a yellow dog Democrat:

As President, I will pick Supreme Court judges who respect our most sacred institutions.as President, I will pick Supreme Court judges who respect our most sacred institutions.

Rum, sodomy, and the lash. Hookers, blow, and white envelopes.

411
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:24:14pm

TheHill is one of those news outlets that likes to think of itself as something important but I find it to be highly suspicious in how it covers it stories, and write the headlines:

ObamaCare costs set to spike for thousands

I can easily imagine some Trump follower going “AHA!” and think this is some proof of the how the ACA destroys Americans.

But the story:

About 43,000 ObamaCare enrollees are bearing the full cost of their insurance plans after losing the tax credits that are meant to make coverage more affordable.

Those enrollees no longer receive ObamaCare tax credits because they failed to file a tax return for 2014, according to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The number has never before been released.

Losing the tax credit can come with a sticker shock. HHS said in March that the average monthly ObamaCare premium before tax credits was $364, compared to $101 after the tax credit.

[…]

412
Cheechako  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:24:19pm

re: #376 ObserverArt

That video is well worth watching.

413
Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:27:16pm
414
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:28:21pm

We discussed this a bit early this morning:

Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina cut from main GOP debate lineup

So Paul is going to boycott the undercard. Probably a smart move.

Paul can now play the victim card, which his martyr-wannabe supporters will grab.

415
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:29:14pm

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re not really an adult until you’ve had to replace a water heater that broke and dumped gallons of water in your garage or basement.
////

Frozen water pipes that busted and threw water UNDER THE FLOOR IN THE CRAWLSPACE IN THE DEAD OF WINTER.

416
Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:29:45pm
417
Timothy Watson  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:30:14pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He’ll have to lay off the blow before he collapses from exhaustion.

418
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:30:30pm

Another question from this morning answered:

FOX Business Network to Live Stream GOP Presidential Debates January 14

419
No Country For Old Haters  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:30:32pm

re: #413 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Self-important people have a hard time being told they’re not important, even if it’s just the loss of a verified mark.

420
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:32:07pm

re: #416 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Is that tweet really Milo? There used to be a way to tell.

421
Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:32:55pm

re: #420 Decatur Deb

Is that tweet really Milo? There used to be a way to tell.

It’s really him.

422
Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:33:22pm

Here’s the original.

423
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:35:45pm

Meanwhile, back in cold and icy Iowa, two polls today show Trump barely ahead of Cruz:

Quinnipiac:

and ARG:

americanresearchgroup.com

424
Joe Bacon  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:36:15pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Delicious! Rub it into that knucklehead!

425
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:36:30pm

re: #371 Cheechako

Cutting the fence was a show for the media about how bad-ass they were. Only take a couple of hours to replace. Not worth getting your panties bunched up over this. Although they did have nice video of a “criminal” in action to show at the trial.

except that the FWL employees who would do that can’t go to work because they have had their identities compromised and they have been told to leave town for the duration.

426
The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:36:31pm

I am so not missing this==>

427
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:36:42pm

In those polls Fiorina was at 1%, in both.

So much for the RNC’s token female.

428
De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:38:26pm

Rubio learned something from Fiorini’s Rose Bowl debacle: ask people to tell you who to root for!

429
Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:38:42pm

So if you are watching the National Championship game, there are multiple ways to see the game. I’ve got the coaches film room on my TV, the pylon cam on my computer, the spidercam on the iPad, and the student section cam on the phone. ADD rules the day. Of course I’m a football junkie so this is right up my alley.

430
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:40:27pm

re: #429 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

So if you are watching the National Championship game, there are multiple ways to see the game. I’ve got the coaches film room on my TV, the pylon cam on my computer, the spidercam on the iPad, and the student section cam on the phone. ADD rules the day. Of course I’m a football junkie so this is right up my alley.

If you have big bucks, a team of mimes will re-enact key plays for you in slo-mo.

431
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:40:59pm

breaking: cruz courts evangelicals, comes out for single prayer health care

432
Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:41:41pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

If you have big bucks, a team of mimes will re-enact key plays for you in slo-mo.

You figured out my plan for next year, after I win the Powerball jackpot.

433
Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:42:16pm
434
Reality Based Steve  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:44:21pm

re: #423 freetoken

Meanwhile, back in cold and icy Iowa, two polls today show Trump barely ahead of Cruz:

Quinnipiac:

[Embedded content]

and ARG:

americanresearchgroup.com

Considering that for the longest time, Cruz was the prohibitive favorite in Iowa, this changes the calculus considerably. If Trump wins, then takes NH as is expected, he’s going to have way too much momentum going into the south. If Cruz wins, but by less than say 5%, I think that Ted will get the “Didn’t meet expectations” analysis.

I think that if Cruz wins with anything less than a resounding margin, it’s going to benefit Trump.

This shit isn’t funny anymore.

RBS

435
calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:46:15pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

except that the FWL employees who would do that can’t go to work because they have had their identities compromised and they have been told to leave town for the duration.

And if the fence posts were damaged*, it will be hard to replace them while the ground is frozen.

*I assume they were because you don’t need to take a Bobcat (or whatever that was) out to remove some strands of barbed wire from the posts while leaving them in place.

436
Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:46:38pm

re: #422 Charles Johnson

Here’s the original.

[Embedded content]

Oh. Is he back to being gay now? It’s so hard to keep track.

437
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:46:44pm

re: #434 Reality Based Steve

Trump is way ahead in popularity polls in NH.

In Iowa - I find it confusing. Polls constantly show Trump getting his strength from the poorer people, I suppose out of some sort of hope that Trump will make their lives better. Sure, that’s what all politicians do.

Is the constant drumming about Cruz’s Cuban Canadianship chipping away at the support for Cruz?

438
Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:46:47pm
439
FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:46:53pm

Adding insult to injury:

“…And Flint’s economically challenged citizens are still being billed for water that authorities say they shouldn’t consume or even use to brush their teeth.

Snyder said a newly formed interagency committee will be examining whether homeowners should get a break on their water bills and that testing and handouts of water and filters will be stepped up.

“We’re continuing to work hard. We’re going to continue to step up our efforts,” he said…”

440
The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:47:11pm

LOL do it Rand!

441
FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:50:12pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

If you have big bucks, a team of mimes will re-enact key plays for you in slo-mo.

I hired a mouse wrangler to have teams of white & orange dyed mice re-enact plays on my coffee table

442
Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:50:40pm

re: #422 Charles Johnson

I hope he does enough blow that he has a heart attack and dies. Now THAT would be justice.

443
lawhawk  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:50:46pm

re: #422 Charles Johnson

He could tantrum for weeks, but he’ll always be an asshat.

444
calochortus  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:51:29pm

Time for din-din. BBL

445
jaunte  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:51:43pm

re: #440 The Vicious Babushka

Paul: “You want war? We’ll give it you.”

Watch out for that mouse in his pocket.

446
Kragar  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:52:15pm

President Obama,

We respectfully request that you end the armed occupation of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge immediately. At the very least, you owe the American people an explanation as to why the area has not been isolated. Members of their organization can come and go as they please, members of the community can visit the occupied facility, and other right-wing extremist groups such as the Idaho III% can show their support.

Law enforcement inaction up to this point is an egregious violation of public safety and emboldens their erroneous assertions that the US Government has no Constitutional Authority.

Please end the siege of the refuge and arraign Ammon Bundy as soon as possible.

447
bratwurst  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:53:09pm

HA!

448
retired cynic  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:53:29pm

Something that worries me about the Bundy / Oregon situation: suppose they do set up a perimeter and try to either wait or force them out. What happens if a bunch of armed militia jerks show up and set up a perimeter around them? Wouldn’t you have to have a double perimeter, with a military force aimed out to protect the LEO?

I am sure there are a lot of contingencies that are wanting to get worked out.

Having the lawbreaking (fence, machinery, computers, files) on record is a good thing. And I agree something has to happen. But I worry about things going south in a hand basket if they are not really careful.

449
Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:54:14pm

Right, I’m off to bed. I’ll leave you with my favourite Bowie track. Sweet dreams.

DAVID BOWIE TIME HQ

450
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:54:28pm

Trumpistas will not be happy:

Japan business leaders urge real globalisation

Trump just can’t deal with real globalization.

451
jaunte  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:56:13pm

re: #446 Kragar

“We warn federal agencies, federal judges and all government officials that follow federal oppressive examples that the people are in unrest because of these types of actions,” Bundy wrote. “We further warn that the incarceration of the Hammond family will spawn serious civil unrest.”oregonlive.com

452
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:57:21pm

re: #448 retired cynic

Something that worries me about the Bundy / Oregon situation: suppose they do set up a perimeter and try to either wait or force them out. What happens if a bunch of armed militia jerks show up and set up a perimeter around them? Wouldn’t you have to have a double perimeter, with a military force aimed out to protect the LEO?

I am sure there are a lot of contingencies that are wanting to get worked out.

Having the lawbreaking (fence, machinery, computers, files) on record is a good thing. And I agree something has to happen. But I worry about things going south in a hand basket if they are not really careful.

It’s been done.

Battle of Alesia
en.wikipedia.org

453
FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:57:48pm

re: #446 Kragar

@Kragar_LGF
Arrest Ammon Bundy and the armed occupiers of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

W. Y.
Jacksonville, FL
January 11, 2016
Signature # 1,162

454
Whack-A-Mole  Jan 11, 2016 • 5:58:24pm

re: #221 Tigger2

I agree it’s time to end this, but going in is a dicey proposition. What I’d love to see them do (not really sure if it’s possible to do in winter though) is to start flying sorties of those fire-fighting planes , dropping load after load of water on them. Wait just long enough between sorties so the previous load freezes, then drop another. Blanket the entire structure, guard tower, etc. under a foot or two of solid ice. Make it so inhospitable that they have no choice but to give up while minimizing the permanent damage to the environment and potential loss of life.

455
ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:01:30pm

re: #420 Decatur Deb

Is that tweet really Milo? There used to be a way to tell.

Ignore the name, look for the @nero reply address, that his him.

457
FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:02:33pm
458
retired cynic  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:02:40pm

re: #452 Decatur Deb

Ugh. I don’t like to read about what Caesar did with the women and children: let ‘em starve in no man’s land.

I suppose if you could sweep in suddenly and get it over with before militia jerks had time to get there, it might work. Blast their hides for making this all necessary!

459
Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:02:59pm

re: #436 Alephnaught

It’s no wonder why he’s self-hating-he not only is he a classic narcissist but now he appears to be gender-fluid as well. And then add in the Mahler religious paradox and you have one messed up muthafucka.

And The Rage Furby and this chaod think it’s because they’re getting dinged and blocked from twitter that it’s causing Twitter’s price to drop? Holy shitfuck are their ego’s way out in an alternate reality.

At first I said that if I won the Powerball I’d take down the NRA. Now instead If I won the Powerball I’d buy out the owners of Breitbart and shut it down.

460
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:03:19pm

Let the guys who have to go in, and the guys who have to send them in, make the tactical decisions. Meanwhile the buffoons still have derp to call in on their own ideological position.

461
freetoken  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:03:53pm

re: #457 FormerDirtDart

I suspect that there is a subtext to “elephants”.

462
Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:04:33pm

re: #446 Kragar

[Embedded content]

The creator of that petition is from my wife’s home town. It’s a small world, after all.

463
De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:04:53pm

Trump’s Twitter stats:

FOLLOWERS: 5.63M
FOLLOWING: 49

Face it folks, he’s just that into you.

464
Decatur Deb  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:07:11pm

re: #461 freetoken

I suspect that there is a subtext to “elephants”.

The circus parade isn’t over until the yob with the broom and dustbin passes the reviewing stand.

465
Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:07:21pm

re: #463 De Kolta Chair

How many of those are active and real? I think Charles knows of a tool that can ferret that out.

466
jaunte  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:09:07pm

re: #457 FormerDirtDart

I’m sure Trump has some fellow feeling for Ringling Bros., since he’s also in the business of bilking the rubes.

467
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:09:46pm

re: #423 freetoken

Trump barely ahead of Cruz

?? how many heads does cruz have?

468
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:10:34pm

re: #465 Eric The Fruit Bat

How many of those are active and real? I think Charles knows of a tool that can ferret that out.

but the ferret is busy barnstorming iowa

469
De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:13:40pm

Bit o’ pigskin trivia: Alabama’s football strength and conditioning coach makes $200,000 more per year than the President of the United States.

470
Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:13:42pm

Bass guitar question for anyone and everyone. I’ve started practicing on my bass. I’m doing it standing up because it keeps me from resting my right arm on the body of the bass. For it to be comfortable, I have the guitar angled at a pretty good angle, about 30 or so degrees off of horizontal. The problem I’m having is with the location of the buttons (one on each side of the body), I’m having to apply upward pressure to keep it at that angle; if I let go, it wants to go back to horizontal. Is there any way to make it so that it will stay at the angle I’m comfortable with, so I don’t have to keep pushing it up?

(Hopefully that is clear enough.)

471
Jebediah, RBG  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:16:33pm

re: #470 Belafon

A less slippery strap might help - a little friction should help keep it closer to where you want it.

472
ausador  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:19:50pm

Gee I wonder if any incriminating documents were taken?

473
Belafon  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:21:08pm

re: #471 Jebediah, RBG

A less slippery strap might help - a little friction should help keep it closer to where you want it.

Thanks for the suggestion.

474
Cheechako  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:22:29pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

except that the FWL employees who would do that can’t go to work because they have had their identities compromised and they have been told to leave town for the duration.

It’s not important to fix the fence right now. The range is frozen and snow covered. No natural feed available. Any cattle still on the range have to be fed with hay brought in from outside. Federal employees were asked to leave town because it appears they were being targeted, followed and harassed. Burns is so small that everyone knows everybody else. Outsiders are readily recognizable. Don’t worry, all the Feds are being paid and probably having their meals and housing covered while they’re forced off the job. It’s not their fault they had to leave so why should they be responsible for financial hardship.

475
De Kolta Chair  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:22:44pm

Heh

476
Great White Snark  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:30:15pm

Current mood

477
Maddies Mom  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:30:28pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

It’d be nice to have him back. Feingold to Johnson was probably the worst change of hand we got in the Senate.

Equally as bad was Tom Harkin to Joni Ernst(R-Hog castrator) in Iowa.

478
Cheechako  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:33:07pm

re: #454 Whack-A-Mole

I agree it’s time to end this, but going in is a dicey proposition. What I’d love to see them do (not really sure if it’s possible to do in winter though) is to start flying sorties of those fire-fighting planes , dropping load after load of water on them. Wait just long enough between sorties so the previous load freezes, then drop another. Blanket the entire structure, guard tower, etc. under a foot or two of solid ice. Make it so inhospitable that they have no choice but to give up while minimizing the permanent damage to the environment and potential loss of life.

I also like this idea. Unfortunately all the retardant planes are out of service for annual maintenance or working in Australia. Beside they would have to be flown from Boise or Redmond Oregon and, at the current temperatures, the water would be a solid block of ice stuck inside the tank.

479
WhatEVs  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:34:34pm

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

480
makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 8:14:47pm

re: #446 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Signed.

481
makeitstop  Jan 11, 2016 • 8:18:00pm

re: #470 Belafon

Bass guitar question for anyone and everyone. I’ve started practicing on my bass. I’m doing it standing up because it keeps me from resting my right arm on the body of the bass. For it to be comfortable, I have the guitar angled at a pretty good angle, about 30 or so degrees off of horizontal. The problem I’m having is with the location of the buttons (one on each side of the body), I’m having to apply upward pressure to keep it at that angle; if I let go, it wants to go back to horizontal. Is there any way to make it so that it will stay at the angle I’m comfortable with, so I don’t have to keep pushing it up?

(Hopefully that is clear enough.)

You’re experiencing what’s known as ‘neck dive,’ where the weight of the neck causes the headstock to plunge toward the floor if you take your hands off.

A wide strap will help, preferably leather with an unfinished underside.

482
CleverToad  Jan 11, 2016 • 8:24:48pm

re: #446 Kragar

Petition signed

483
Alephnaught  Jan 12, 2016 • 1:17:22am

re: #360 calochortus

Yup total coincidence. May you have many more well-over-a-decades together.

Thank you!

484
WCBadger  Jan 12, 2016 • 12:34:58pm

I still think he’s a self-hating gay man in denial.


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