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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:35:28pm

Iraq.

Wall Street.

- ok, that’s nice, but I’m having a hard time really grasping how Sanders will be different than Clinton as POTUS, vice as a Senator.

They’re different jobs and I suspect that Hillary will emphasize that.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:35:59pm

CHYNA!!

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:36:00pm

YouTube link for the Town Hall here.

Democratic Town Hall Debate LIVE

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:36:17pm

Judgment is important, Bernie, and there’s a reason that virtually no one in Congress has endorsed you; they do not trust your judgment.

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:36:56pm

A week to go until the Iowa caucuses and Rand is watching a Democratic Town Hall?

Shouldn’t he be busy asking everybody for $3 or actually trying to go and get GOPers to caucus for him?

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:37:12pm

Bernie’s entire schtick is plenty of nice sounding ideas, but absolutely no plan for making them happen or how to deal with the negative consequences. He does not strike me as a guy who’s going to be able to go to Congress and convince them that any of his ideas have merit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:37:21pm
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451_Montag  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:37:47pm

re: #1 freetoken

Last post in last thread, in reply to you…

You’re right. All of it is laudable, but I just doing see it being doable at the moment, with the GOP in such a scary place. It is like Bernie is the president you want after the next one, but the next one is the one you need right now.

I even think the mainstream GOP (and they do exist, I’m sure) want Clinton to cream the wingnuts for them. Lance the boil for them because they can’t do it themselves.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:38:16pm

re: #4 Brian J.

Judgment is important, Bernie, and there’s a reason that virtually no one in Congress has endorsed you; they do not trust your judgment.

But but Killer Mike!!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:38:50pm

… technical problems with the Youtube pirate feed…

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:39:30pm

Well, not being able to watch, I think I’ll head to the store for some supper. Someone tell me when the Democrats are interested in my vote.

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451_Montag  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:39:46pm

re: #10 freetoken

Try
freeintertv.com

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:39:47pm

re: #3 Bill and Opus for 2016!

YouTube link for the Town Hall here.

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… and right on cue, the live stream gets technical difficulties.

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:40:08pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Bernie’s entire schtick is plenty of nice sounding ideas, but absolutely no plan for making them happen or how to deal with the negative consequences. He does not strike me as a guy who’s going to be able to go to Congress and convince them that any of his ideas have merit.

I think Sanders entered the race to drive the narrative about Wall Street and was totally caught off guard that he is doing as well as he is. Ask him a foreign policy question and after he tells you he voted against the Iraq war his face goes blank.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:40:48pm

re: #8 451_Montag

Last post in last thread, in reply to you…

You’re right. All of it is laudable, but I just doing see it being doable at the moment, with the GOP in such a scary place. It is like Bernie is the president you want after the next one, but the next one is the one you need right now.

I even think the mainstream GOP (and they do exist, I’m sure) want Clinton to cream the wingnuts for them. Lance the boil for them because they can’t do it themselves.

Right now, they’re airing millions of dollars in ads jocking Sanders and smearing Hillary. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but if you’re right then they really do not have a good sense of the necessary order of operations.

CNN anchor is actually calling out Bernie’s illogic on gun control.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:40:54pm

re: #13 Bill and Opus for 2016!

… and right on cue, the live stream gets technical difficulties.

It’s back, and 451’s link works too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:41:27pm
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ipsos  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:41:50pm

I’m watching Rachel instead of CNN because I seem to be allergic to CNN.

Here’s what I want to know, though, from Bernie and his supporters. What’s your plan for downticket? Bernie’s not a Democrat. He’s run against Democrats for much of his career. Is he going to be going all over the country campaigning for the Democratic House and Senate candidates he’ll need if he has any hope of getting anything through Congress? What about the state legislators he’ll need if his second term is going to benefit from a less-gerrymandered Congress?

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:42:56pm

re: #18 ipsos

I’m watching Rachel instead of CNN because I seem to be allergic to CNN.

Here’s what I want to know, though, from Bernie and his supporters. What’s your plan for downticket? Bernie’s not a Democrat. He’s run against Democrats for much of his career. Is he going to be going all over the country campaigning for the Democratic House and Senate candidates he’ll need if he has any hope of getting anything through Congress? What about the state legislators he’ll need if his second term is going to benefit from a less-gerrymandered Congress?

In the fourth quarter, Hillary raised $18 million for the DNC. Bernie? Zip. (And this was on top of outraising Bernie for her own campaign.)

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:43:32pm

re: #18 ipsos

The Democrats need to switch 10 seats in the Senate this year in order to keep the next 6 years from falling into the hands of the GOP wingnuts, regardless of who is President.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:43:39pm

re: #19 Brian J.

In the fourth quarter, Hillary raised $18 million for the DNC. Bernie? Zip. (And this was on top of outraising Bernie for her own campaign.)

Oh, but that’s just because she’s part of the establishment that’s in the bag for her, don’t you know?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:44:40pm

Rand boycotted the GOP debate, so now he’s trying to tweet into Dem Townhall…good grief.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:44:56pm

2016 is the year the Democrats have to ensure that the USSC doesn’t go off the theocratic edge.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:45:04pm

Cuomo is so terrible. Rachel’s forum was SOOO much better.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:45:17pm

re: #20 freetoken

The Democrats need to switch 10 seats in the Senate this year in order to keep the next 6 years from falling into the hands of the GOP wingnuts, regardless of who is President.

Winning ten Senate seats this year would require the Democrats to start winning seats like Indiana or Alaska or Missouri. Want a probability assessment on how a socialist candidate will play in those states?

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451_Montag  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:45:32pm

re: #15 Brian J.

True, but this is primary season. They are hoping/expecting for kasich, Rubio or JEB)+&£@& to get in. If Cruz or Trump win all bets are off.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:46:43pm

re: #4 Brian J.

Judgment is important, Bernie, and there’s a reason that virtually no one in Congress has endorsed you; they do not trust your judgment.

Really? That’s quite telling given that he’s been there a long time. I’m sure he’s a nice enough guy but he just strikes me too pie in the sky to get anything done the more I hear from him.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:46:52pm

re: #25 Brian J.

Winning ten Senate seats this year would require the Democrats to start winning seats like Indiana or Alaska or Missouri. Want a probability assessment on how a socialist candidate will play in those states?

Well, I suppose we can say the same for Hillary.

Perhaps we’ll just have to rely on the GOP shooting themselves in the foot and nominate someone so crazy that people won’t vote Republican.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:47:07pm

At least Sanders got out of there without referring to his polls. I think he’s been told that makes him sound more Trumpisch than he wants to.

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bratwurst  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:47:09pm

re: #11 freetoken

Someone tell me when the Democrats are interested in my vote.

As soon as you are ready to leave California and move to Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania or Florida they will be interested in your vote…VERY interested.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:47:26pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rand boycotted the GOP debate, so now he’s trying to tweet into Dem Townhall…good grief.

Of course, Rand spouts that nonsense. What’s the matter Rand? Mad that your stupid pandering didn’t fool the idiots in the GOP base?

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Major Tom  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:47:38pm

Yay a thread! :D

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:48:06pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Really? That’s quite telling given that he’s been there a long time. I’m sure he’s a nice enough guy but he just strikes me too pie in the sky to get anything done the more I hear from him.

Just two Congressmen and no Senators (other than himself).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:48:08pm

re: #18 ipsos

I’m watching Rachel instead of CNN because I seem to be allergic to CNN.

Here’s what I want to know, though, from Bernie and his supporters. What’s your plan for downticket? Bernie’s not a Democrat. He’s run against Democrats for much of his career. Is he going to be going all over the country campaigning for the Democratic House and Senate candidates he’ll need if he has any hope of getting anything through Congress? What about the state legislators he’ll need if his second term is going to benefit from a less-gerrymandered Congress?

Someone here has quoted Bernie as refusing to commit to down-ticket support. He is a guest in the Dem living room.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:48:10pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Of course, Rand spouts that nonsense. What’s the matter Rand? Mad that your stupid pandering didn’t fool the idiots in the GOP base?

Rand Paul is so lame, I don’t even hate follow him any more.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:48:17pm

re: #30 bratwurst

Too high a cost.

I’ll just continue to suffer here in single-party California.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:48:27pm

I’m fading fast…

laterz, lizardz!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:49:25pm
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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:49:38pm

There may be a couple of House seats in play around here this time. But that is about all 2016 will mean as for national politics wrt California.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:50:03pm

I am really hoping that Sanders does finish well - if not in ultimately winning the nomination. He has been rather successful in moving the party’s discussion a few notches back to the political left, and done so in a “I don’t sound like I’m completely nuts” kind of way - this is something that has been DESPERATELY needed for the past decade or so.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:50:20pm

Gah, even more bullshit gas/oil propaganda ads than candidates. I guess they’re not quite as annoying as Rubio and Cruz ads, but…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:50:59pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul is so lame, I don’t even hate follow him any more.

Remember when Rand was going to bring young people and minorities into the GOP? That was a fun gag.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:52:08pm

O’Malley talks about “the pollsters back East.” Yeah, I don’t think we need to listen to this any more.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:52:25pm

For all his socialism, you never hear Bernie talk about how un-democratic the US Senate is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:52:48pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Someone here has quoted Bernie as refusing to commit to down-ticket support. He is a guest in the Dem living room.

I heard about that. That really disappoints me. Doesn’t Bernie want to have strong Democrats to help push through his agenda in Congress? The more I’m seeing from him, the more I’m disappointed and the more I’m frustrated that his diehards just see Clinton as a centrist trying to prevent their wild dreams from coming true.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:52:52pm

I hate to break it to Bernie supporters but the House is gerrymandered shut for the Democrats until 2022. If Bernie gets elected the Republicans in the House will not pass any of his proposals. You’ll see the crazies in the GOP run wild in the House with investigations about everything Bernie does.

They’re going to do the same to Hillary, but she DOES have experience and she’s learned from her mistakes. Like Bill, she knows how to play those assholes for fools and trip them up.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:52:58pm

re: #43 Brian J.

Now I can go to the store…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:53:30pm

re: #40 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I am really hoping that Sanders does finish well - if not in ultimately winning the nomination. He has been rather successful in moving the party’s discussion a few notches back to the political left, and done so in a “I don’t sound like I’m completely nuts” kind of way - this is something that has been DESPERATELY needed for the past decade or so.

If he can make socialist not a dirty word in the American lexicon, Bernie deserves props for that alone.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:53:55pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon

Yup. The real action is in trying to regain control of the Senate. That is possible in 2016. But the Dems need more than 50 total, they need a buffer of a couple of seats.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:54:12pm

re: #44 freetoken

For all his socialism, you never hear Bernie talk about how un-democratic the US Senate is.

I know you’re being facetious, but neither party has a consistent edge in the small states. For every Alaska, Wyoming, and Idaho, there’s a Delaware, Rhode Island, and Hawaii.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:54:40pm

Martin suffers from not owning an issue. He needed to do that a couple of years ago, so people could identify with him in some manner.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:54:44pm

re: #33 Brian J.

Just two Congressmen and no Senators (other than himself).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

That really isn’t good. Fucksake, Huckabee’s got more Congressional endorsements.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:55:14pm

re: #50 Brian J.

I’m not totally facetious. The US Senate is anti-democratic.

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451_Montag  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:55:46pm

I’m a bit disappointed. No talk of napalming innocents so far. Almost like adult conversations.

The difference with the GOP is actually quite scary. How has it come to this?

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Joe Bacon  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:56:59pm

re: #49 freetoken

Yup. The real action is in trying to regain control of the Senate. That is possible in 2016. But the Dems need more than 50 total, they need a buffer of a couple of seats.

The GOP is very vulnerable in the Senate since this is the first Teabagger wave that’s coming up for re-election. Plenty of seats in swing states are going to be hard fought and I believe that’s where Hillary has an advantage. Once the Democrats get control back, they should kill the filibuster and judicial blue slips.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:57:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:58:12pm

re: #55 Joe Bacon

The GOP is very vulnerable in the Senate since this is the first Teabagger wave that’s coming up for re-election. Plenty of seats in swing states are going to be hard fought and I believe that’s where Hillary has an advantage. Once the Democrats get control back, they should kill the filibuster and judicial blue slips.

That’s what I’m hoping for. I can easily see PA’s seat going back to the Dems. Hell I wouldn’t be too shocked if Rand Paul got his unemployment notice. It’s all IMO about finding the right candidates and right tone.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:58:42pm

re: #55 Joe Bacon

The GOP is very vulnerable in the Senate since this is the first Teabagger wave that’s coming up for re-election. Plenty of seats in swing states are going to be hard fought and I believe that’s where Hillary has an advantage. Once the Democrats get control back, they should kill the filibuster and judicial blue slips.

Ironically, their vulnerability isn’t that great because they left money on the table with O’Donnell in Delaware, Angle in Nevada, and Buck in Colorado.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:58:46pm

I’m just going to be glad when it’s over. I find the diehards in both camps obnoxious.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:59:49pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

That’s what I’m hoping for. I can easily see PA’s seat going back to the Dems. Hell I wouldn’t be too shocked if Rand Paul got his unemployment notice. It’s all IMO about finding the right candidates and right tone.

Given that Kentucky just elected Governor Bevin, who promised to take away their health insurance because it came from that black guy, I think it’s very unlikely that Paul is going anywhere.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:59:52pm

Did Martin think he was at a pancake house? What’s with the no jacket/rolled up sleeves?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 6:59:59pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:00:23pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon

I hate to break it to Bernie supporters but the House is gerrymandered shut for the Democrats until 2022. If Bernie gets elected the Republicans in the House will not pass any of his proposals. You’ll see the crazies in the GOP run wild in the House with investigations about everything Bernie does.

They’re going to do the same to Hillary, but she DOES have experience and she’s learned from her mistakes. Like Bill, she knows how to play those assholes for fools and trip them up.

They’ll probably try to impeach him for being a communist. Ted Cruz can hold senate investigations and impeachment proceedings. We can go right back to the late 40s, early 50s.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:03:43pm

I’m a bit different from many LGFers, I guess. I like listening to Bernie. I don’t dismiss him. I like listening to Hillary, but I have residual distrust of her husband (high policing; choice of officials in charge of finance) and I’ll admit that that irrationally predisposes me against her. I’m not sure that Bernie would be a good president, but thank god he is in the race and pointing out the obvious. I’ll vote for Hillary easily if she is nominated. But I have queasy feeling thinking about the choice between them. I think O’Malley is interesting, but he’s not ready for prime time.

And I like Chris Cuomo as a moderator better than Rachel. I love Rachel for her passion, but I think Chris does better in this environment.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:04:38pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:06:11pm

Another fecking idjit in my mentions gloating over how MdD’s will replace all minimum wage workers with robots ANY DAY NOW.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:06:31pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Something tells me she isn’t a nurse.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:07:02pm

re: #64 Barefoot Grin

I’m a bit different from many LGFers, I guess. I like listening to Bernie. I don’t dismiss him. I like listening to Hillary, but I have residual distrust of her husband (high policing; choice of officials in charge of finance) and I’ll admit that that irrationally predisposes me against her. I’m not sure that Bernie would be a good president, but thank god he is in the race and pointing out the obvious. I’ll vote for Hillary easily if she is nominated. But I have queasy feeling thinking about the choice between them. I think O’Malley is interesting, but he’s not ready for prime time.

And I like Chris Cuomo as a moderator better than Rachel. I love Rachel for her passion, but I think Chris does better in this environment.

I’ll limit myself to saying that the Democratic Party is a different beast than it was in 1992 (it still had half the white Congressional seats in the South, for instance) and that crime really was much higher in 1992 than currently. The problems of the 1990s are different from those of today.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:07:39pm

Got the pander cranked up to 11 again, especially after today’s SCOTUS ruling.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:09:03pm

re: #60 Brian J.

Given that Kentucky just elected Governor Bevin, who promised to take away their health insurance because it came from that black guy, I think it’s very unlikely that Paul is going anywhere.

You’re probably right about that unfortunately. That one still makes me scratch my head and then the idiots have the nerve to be upset that he’s actually intending to do it. that’s not a slight on all Kentuckians, meant but I just don’t get people who admti they’re bothered by that kind of policy and then vote for people who do that shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:09:27pm

re: #67 jaunte

Something tells me she isn’t a nurse.

It’s purporting to be.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:09:36pm

re: #68 Brian J.

I’ll limit myself to saying that the Democratic Party is a different beast than it was in 1992 (it still had half the white Congressional seats in the South, for instance) and that crime really was much higher in 1992 than currently. The problems of the 1990s are different from those of today.

The Democratic Party is a hive of scum and villany—and our only fucking hope, Obi-wan.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:09:48pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

You’ll never reach those people - they’re not capable of understanding honest argument. They’re brainwashed religious fanatics and they simply won’t listen to you.

It’s sad. But it’s time for good people to realize there’s no way to reach the indoctrinated loons, and work to find ways to defeat their massive ignorance.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:11:13pm

re: #64 Barefoot Grin

I’m a bit different from many LGFers, I guess. I like listening to Bernie. I don’t dismiss him. I like listening to Hillary, but I have residual distrust of her husband (high policing; choice of officials in charge of finance) and I’ll admit that that irrationally predisposes me against her. I’m not sure that Bernie would be a good president, but thank god he is in the race and pointing out the obvious. I’ll vote for Hillary easily if she is nominated. But I have queasy feeling thinking about the choice between them. I think O’Malley is interesting, but he’s not ready for prime time.

And I like Chris Cuomo as a moderator better than Rachel. I love Rachel for her passion, but I think Chris does better in this environment.

I actually find myself intrigued by O’Malley. I was a little disappointed though to read about his record on Law and Order as first mayor of Baltimore and then governor of Maryland but I’m intrigued by him still. I don’t want him as VP though. I don’t think he adds anything that either candidate lacks and we’re winning Maryland regardless.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:13:47pm

re: #68 Brian J.

I’ll limit myself to saying that the Democratic Party is a different beast than it was in 1992 (it still had half the white Congressional seats in the South, for instance) and that crime really was much higher in 1992 than currently. The problems of the 1990s are different from those of today.

I’ll agree. But I still tend to agree with Sanders over most of the answers. I’m just not convinced that America would ever go that far. I’m really scared of his nomination because I have deep doubts that he can win, though I wish we had a real fighter like him in the White House. I won’t dig myself in deeper by unfairly equating Hillary with her husband in her positions now. That’s not entirely fair. I’ll continue to give her a fair listen.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:14:24pm

Um no, it started out as a political hit job but the members of the Grand Jury saw through that shit and indicted the actual criminals instead.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:15:56pm

Judgenap ought to wake up.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:01pm

So, I’m a bit concerned. Earlier, I responded to the Sanger thing like this:

And then I see this in my email:

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:03pm

He seems like such a nice guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:03pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

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Um no, it started out as a political hit job but the members of the Grand Jury saw through that shit and indicted the actual criminals instead.

I thought Judge Nap cared about individual liberty. Oh wait, only for white straight guys not for women. Fuck his truther ass.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:21pm

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

I’ll agree. But I still tend to agree with Sanders over most of the answers. I’m just not convinced that America would ever go that far. I’m really scared of his nomination because I have deep doubts that he can win, though I wish we had a real fighter like him in the White House. I won’t dig myself in deeper by unfairly equating Hillary with her husband in her positions now. That’s not entirely fair. I’ll continue to give her a fair listen.

We can bask in the luxury of having 3 sane candidates. In the end we have to go with electability. Otherwise we’ll find ourselves in 6 six years wanting our country back and talking 2nd Amendment Solutions.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:42pm

re: #78 Belafon

So, I’m a bit concerned. Earlier, I responded to the Sanger thing like this:

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And then I see this in my email:

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To the decon showers!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:16:51pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I actually find myself intrigued by O’Malley. I was a little disappointed though to read about his record on Law and Order as first mayor of Baltimore and then governor of Maryland but I’m intrigued by him still. I don’t want him as VP though. I don’t think he adds anything that either candidate lacks and we’re winning Maryland regardless.

Yeah, I don’t really know. I read an op-ed by David Simon of “The Wire” fame on how O’Malley’s policies helped create the very situation he illustrated in his series, especially the demand for statistics-based policing.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:17:39pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

We can bask in the luxury of having 3 sane candidates. In the end we have to go with electability. Otherwise we’ll find ourselves in 6 six years wanting our country back and talking 2nd Amendment Solutions.

And the big problem with Bernie’s electability is simple: If you take his claims about big money in the electoral process seriously, then we can’t have the revolution until we get rid of Big Money and we can’t get rid of Big Money until we have the revolution.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:17:43pm

re: #78 Belafon

So, I’m a bit concerned. Earlier, I responded to the Sanger thing like this:

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And then I see this in my email:

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I think the real one has that stupid X as part of his name, so you’re probably just dealing with one of the spawn mad about his de-verification.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:18:57pm

The next President is only going to be a caretaker, essentially playing rear guard for Obama’s progress and the Supreme Court. With Congress still firmly in GOP hands if is doubtful either Bernie or Hillary will be able to accomplish much.

Holding on to what we have while the GOP eats itself isn’t such a bad thing right about now.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:19:10pm

Cuomo just pulls a dick move and asks O’Malley who his followers should support if he doesn’t get threshold caucus numbers.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:19:26pm

re: #85 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think the real one has that stupid X as part of his name, so you’re probably just dealing with one of the spawn mad about his de-verification.

Hope so.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:19:38pm

I hope I can last through this boring thing because Bakari Sellers is supposed to be on the post show, and he’ll be better than this snooze fest.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:19:41pm

Lucifer was fun.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:19:54pm

re: #88 Belafon

Hope so.

I looked. It’s not the real one.

Some random Twitter person.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:20:04pm

re: #83 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I don’t really know. I read an op-ed by David Simon of “The Wire” fame on how O’Malley’s policies helped create the very situation he illustrated in his series, especially the demand for statistics-based policing.

Yeah I saw that as well. I was really disappointed. O’Malley to me seemed like an interesting guy. Plus I was impressed that he not only won in 2010 but actually increased his win percentage from 2006. Granted the TP probably didn’t like Ehrlich but still.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:20:18pm

re: #87 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Cuomo just pulls a dick move and asks O’malley who his followers should support if he doesn’t get threshold caucus numbers.

That’s not a dick move, unfortunately; that just might decide the winner if the more Sanders-friendly polls are accurate. Another argument to just get rid of caucuses.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:21:32pm

O’Malley also was one of the first governors to support same sex marriage so I like him for that as well. I think he should be considered for a cabinet post but as I said not for VP.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:21:52pm

O’Malley did well (except for that arm gesture of “lifting up” at the end).

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:23:49pm

Republicans have been banging away at this immigration nonsense, trying to turn blacks and Hispanics (and Asians) against each other, for 50 years with no success whatsoever. Why reinforce proven failure?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:24:23pm

I am glad Webb is gone. I voted for him twice- primary and GE but he’s really soured on me since he’s left the Senate. I’ve told you guys before but he quit the Senate on the pretense of being bored by politics which is fine although it really forced the VA Democratic Party to nominate Tim Kaine who I imagine they would have loved to return to the governor’s mansion- we have a one term limit on governors but governors can return. It worked out since Kaine’s great in the Senate too but it was just selfish of Jim. Plus I think he’s an apologist for socially conservative Democrats who vote GOP out of spite. And I’m not just talking about merely guns but also things like the CSA flag. Plus the stories I’ve heard from Lizards here about how he was as Reagan’s Naval Secretary. Sheesh.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:24:26pm

re: #67 jaunte

Something tells me she isn’t a nurse.

Or the kind of nurse who doles out care if you agree with her political/religious leanings.

I had to back out of that thread. I loathe those assholes and tend to get really, really nasty with them.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:25:05pm

Unmuted the TV, it’s Hillary’s turn.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:25:05pm

re: #93 Brian J.

That’s not a dick move, unfortunately; that just might decide the winner if the more Sanders-friendly polls are accurate. Another argument to just get rid of caucuses.

The thing is, I personally think that O’Malley has something to bring to the table in the Democratic primaries. He’s been the only candidate who has made the climate change issue a focus of his campaign, for starters. I don’t want to see him shut out the discussion as of yet.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:26:09pm

I’m sure someone will complain about that kiss right about… now.

“Wicked smart?” When did O’Bama become a native of Baaaahston?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:26:35pm

Weird how much emphasis there is on Iowa in our presidential elections, when historically the Iowa results have almost no connection to the general election results. It’s like a ritual that we keep following even though it lost any meaning or real-world relevance long, long ago.

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b.d.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:26:50pm

HRC is there! After reading Drudge I figured she would be on her deathbed at the hospital for hocking up a lung in a whooping cough fit.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:27:43pm

re: #78 Belafon

So, I’m a bit concerned. Earlier, I responded to the Sanger thing like this:

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And then I see this in my email:

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Men’s Rights Advocates aren’t known for their steel-trap minds…

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:27:51pm

re: #88 Belafon

Hope so.

Real one’s address is @nero if address is different it ain’t him.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:28:11pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Electoral votes:
Iowa: 6
New Hampshire: 4

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:29:02pm

re: #104 Mattand

Men’s Rights Advocates aren’t known for their steel-trap minds…

Marc Maron on his podcast today on MRA types: “unfuckable hate nerds.”

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:29:08pm

I’m going to hang it up for the night. I’ll catch you all later on.

RBS

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:29:24pm

re: #106 jaunte

Electoral votes:
Iowa: 6
New Hampshire: 4

Iowa had 13 electoral votes from 1884 to 1928.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:29:33pm

re: #108 Reality Based Steve

I’m going to hang it up for the night. I’ll catch you all later on.

RBS

Me, too. Can we snuggle?

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:29:36pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Weird how much emphasis there is on Iowa in our presidential elections, when historically the Iowa results have almost no connection to the general election results. It’s like a ritual that we keep following even though it lost any meaning or real-world relevance long, long ago.

They’re real Americans, dont’cha know.

Who elected a psycho like Joni Ernst to represent them in the Senate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:30:08pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Weird how much emphasis there is on Iowa in our presidential elections, when historically the Iowa results have almost no connection to the general election results. It’s like a ritual that we keep following even though it lost any meaning or real-world relevance long, long ago.

There’s a part of me that really wants there to be just a national primary and that will be that but the two parties would never go for it and the two states too.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:30:30pm

re: #96 Brian J.

Republicans have been banging away at this immigration nonsense, trying to turn blacks and Hispanics (and Asians) against each other, for 50 years with no success whatsoever. Why reinforce proven failure?

Yep==that NumbersUsa gang is running tha commercial with a Barbara Jordan speech from 1995—seen it three times tonight alone.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:31:03pm

re: #90 Belafon

Lucifer was fun.

Wasn’t it? Loved the dude from Suits as the bad demon.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:31:12pm

re: #111 Mattand

They’re real Americans, dont’cha know.

Who elected a psycho like Joni Ernst to represent them in the Senate.

From Tom Harkin to that, fah! Not to mention the two states are even less representative of the country as a whole than the GOP is.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:31:12pm

re: #110 Barefoot Grin

Me, too. Can we snuggle?

I snore. and I steal the blanket.

RBS

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:08pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Weird how much emphasis there is on Iowa in our presidential elections, when historically the Iowa results have almost no connection to the general election results. It’s like a ritual that we keep following even though it lost any meaning or real-world relevance long, long ago.

Vox addressed that in a piece today.

If someone is going to POTUS they need to win their nomination in at least one of (Iowa,NH ). Only once has a President in modern times won the general election and not won their party in one of IA or NH.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:10pm

My beer is nothing but a slushie now. Bah!

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:18pm

Good answer Hillary! (First real applause—and a tough question about why kids don’t like her)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:41pm

re: #117 freetoken

Vox addressed that in a piece today.

If someone is going to POTUS they need to win their nomination in at least one of Iowa,NH . Only once has a President in modern times won the general election and not one their party in one of IA or NH.

Clinton.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:47pm

re: #116 Reality Based Steve

I snore. and I steal the blanket.

RBS

Ok, that sounds like MAD. Upstairs to the missus I go. G’night.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:32:55pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Clinton.

Once.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:33:25pm

re: #119 BeachDem

Good answer Hillary! (First real applause—and a tough question about why kids don’t like her)

What did she say? I think it’s a fair concern since I’m not totally sold on her either. Of course, I prefer her to any Republican but I remain not a huge Clinton fan but I do respect her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:33:45pm

re: #122 freetoken

Once.

i know. I was just answering the question heh. Sorry trivia geek.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:33:53pm

I was hoping for a more direct answer, such as a more direct reference to the biases of the media and the massive attacks against her for the last 25 years for being… well, just being, but that is a very good answer.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:35:00pm
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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:35:08pm

Fact is, if you’re going to be POTUS you have to start running long before the nominating conventions.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:35:46pm

re: #119 BeachDem

Good answer Hillary! (First real applause—and a tough question about why kids don’t like her)

Share, please. What did she say?

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:35:58pm

re: #127 freetoken

Fact is, if you’re going to be POTUS you have to start running long before the nominating conventions.

The last time any candidate tried to do otherwise was Hubert Humphrey- and not by choice.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:36:06pm

re: #126 jaunte

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Indeed. She was as hated by the Republican kids I knew as Bill was. We never hated Laura Bush really.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:36:14pm

So I went to the store instead of listening to O’Malley.

Bought lots of chocolate, on sale.

It was a good trade-off, I think.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:36:38pm

This guy watched all 11 hours of the Benghazi hearings. So Hillary’s got the masochist vote locked up!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:37:28pm

Knoxville - been there.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:37:59pm

re: #133 freetoken

Knoxville - been there.

Me too. I prefer Chattanooga myself. Less orange.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:38:11pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

What did she say? I think it’s a fair concern since I’m not totally sold on her either. Of course, I prefer her to any Republican but I remain not a huge Clinton fan but I do respect her.

I’ll mess it up, but she was excited and said she does meet young people who are excited—and kinda joked with the kid (like I do with you—talked about maybe some of the things she did were before he was born.)

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:38:40pm

re: #134 Brian J.

Me too. I prefer Chattanooga myself. Less orange.

Knoxville, Iowa, that is.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:38:46pm

Christie’s a real winner.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:39:08pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Bernie’s entire schtick is plenty of nice sounding ideas, but absolutely no plan for making them happen or how to deal with the negative consequences. He does not strike me as a guy who’s going to be able to go to Congress and convince them that any of his ideas have merit.

Noun, verb, oligarchs!

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:39:23pm

re: #135 BeachDem

I’ll mess it up, but she was excited and said she does meet young people who are excited—and kinda joked with the kid (like I do with you—talked about maybe some of the things she did were before he was born.)

Yeah, she referred to the money spent against her (not her health care plan, just her) during 1993-94. The many Republican campaigns against her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:39:32pm

re: #135 BeachDem

I’ll mess it up, but she was excited and said she does meet young people who are excited—and kinda joked with the kid (like I do with you—talked about maybe some of the things she did were before he was born.)

That does get me thinking. Kids who were born in 1998 are going to be voting this year. Holy Fuck, I’m old.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:39:46pm

re: #138 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Noun, verb, oligarchs!

Ouch.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:40:17pm

re: #139 Brian J.

Yeah, she referred to the money spent against her (not her health care plan, just her) during 1993-94. The many Republican campaigns against her.

Fucking Newt.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:40:20pm

re: #137 Tigger2

Christie’s a real winner.

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Man’s just bitter that, after next week, he’s gonna be left counting the days until he either retires after being term-limited out of the governor’s mansion…or dragged out in cuffs after the Feds indict him.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:40:45pm

Record gun sales during the Obama administration and yet…

Next on this episode of Gun Hoarders…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:40:51pm

re: #137 Tigger2

Christie’s a real winner.

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Christie’s a crass asshole.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:41:04pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Ouch.

Yeah.
That’s how he comes off when asked about anything other than the economy.
He finds some way to make everything about it.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:41:58pm

Hillary’s swept through the early phase of the negotiations with Iran that led to last summer’s deal and now is detailing her shuttle diplomacy with Gaza and Israel. Remarkable amount of detail on this answer.

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:42:18pm

re: #144 ausador

Record gun sales during the Obama administration and yet…

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Next on this episode of Gun Hoarders…

“The new buyers aren’t telling anybody they have guns, because the government might come and confiscate them! There’s more gun owners today than ever!!!!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:42:18pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:42:45pm

This is boring.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:43:07pm

re: #146 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Yeah.
That’s how he comes off when asked about anything other than the economy.
He finds some way to make everything about it.

I don’t entirely disagree. My observation on socialists like him is sometimes I think they ignore social issues while focusing on economics. Economic injustice sucks but so does racism, sexism, and homophobia.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:43:09pm
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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:43:16pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

That does get me thinking. Kids who were born in 1998 are going to be voting this year. Holy Fuck, I’m old.

Dude. Please.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:43:47pm

re: #144 ausador

Record gun sales during the Obama administration and yet…

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Next on this episode of Gun Hoarders…

Note the number of refuseniks has tripled. That’s induced paranoia.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:43:49pm

re: #147 Brian J.

Hillary’s swept through the early phase of the negotiations with Iran that led to last summer’s deal and now is detailing her shuttle diplomacy with Gaza and Israel. Remarkable amount of detail on this answer.

That’s another reason why I am not sold on Bernie. I’ve seen nothing from him that indicates he has foreign policy chops.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:44:24pm

re: #153 WhatEVs

Dude. Please.

Heh I was just teasing. But still. Kids born from 1998 graduating high school this year just feels surreal as fuck.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:44:29pm

“No ground forces” is not an ethical high ground if you are so willing to send in jets to bomb, bomb, and bomb again.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:44:35pm

re: #147 Brian J.

Hillary’s swept through the early phase of the negotiations with Iran that led to last summer’s deal and now is detailing her shuttle diplomacy with Gaza and Israel. Remarkable amount of detail on this answer.

It’s kind of a “be careful what you wish for.” Bernie and Martin wanted additional face time, and, in my opinion, Hillary is killing it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:45:13pm

re: #150 freetoken

This is boring.

Thank god. The last thing we need is an epic meltdown.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:45:49pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Thank god. The last think we need is an epic meltdown.

I’ve become addicted to crack Trumpisms.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:45:57pm

re: #158 BeachDem

It’s kind of a “be careful what you wish for.” Bernie and Martin wanted additional face time, and, in my opinion, Hillary is killing it.

Which means, I think all of us can agree, no matter who we support, that DWS should lose the DNC chair.

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calochortus  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:15pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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That’s kind of sad.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:23pm

re: #144 ausador

Record gun sales during the Obama administration and yet…

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Next on this episode of Gun Hoarders…

Who doesn’t know if they own a gun? WRF?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:37pm

re: #161 Belafon

Which means, I think all of us can agree, no matter who we support, that DWS should lose the DNC chair.

I think she’s hidden it.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:38pm

re: #158 BeachDem

It’s kind of a “be careful what you wish for.” Bernie and Martin wanted additional face time, and, in my opinion, Hillary is killing it.

I’m gonna give one of them there Hot Takes (TM) and say that Hillary’s position as front-runner made it reasonable for her not to want too many debates, simply because the price of a “gaffe” would be so incredibly high. She hasn’t had one, but even the remote possibility makes too many debates a negative-EV play.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:39pm

Hillary’s tearing it up.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:46:57pm

I can’t imagining Hillary losing to Bernie.

I just wonder how she’ll do against the Trump machine.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:47:04pm

gre: #160 freetoken

I’ve become addicted to crack Trumpisms.

Hillary could threaten to shoot an intern for you.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:47:31pm

re: #167 freetoken

I can’t imagining Hillary losing to Bernie.

I just wonder how she’ll do against the Trump machine.

I think she’ll do fine. The demographics really are against Donald.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:47:44pm

re: #163 WhatEVs

Who doesn’t know if they own a gun? WRF?

This guy who had his gun safe stolen, for instance.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:48:19pm

More importantly, I wonder how the race will shape up for the US Senate control.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:48:43pm

re: #137 Tigger2

I triggered a Christie-bot on Twitter who is insisting that Christie has meteorological evidence to back him up. Whatever.

Shockingly, even Christie’s supporters are jerks.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:48:44pm

re: #90 Belafon

Lucifer was fun.

I’m happy to hear that, because X-Files really wasn’t.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:48:46pm

re: #161 Belafon

Which means, I think all of us can agree, no matter who we support, that DWS should lose the DNC chair.

I agree that DWS is a terrible DNC chair—just not buying the conspiracy theories.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:00pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Heh I was just teasing. But still. Kids born from 1998 graduating high school this year just feels surreal as fuck.

Don’t *I* know it! :-D

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:03pm

re: #173 sagehen

I’m happy to hear that, because X-Files really wasn’t.

no spoilers!!

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:05pm

This debate is better when I listen to the audio only. That pinched finger gesture that somebody, somewhere really must of loved(marketing) really leaves me blerghed.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:45pm

re: #171 freetoken

More importantly, I wonder how the race will shape up for the US Senate control.

That’s when Nate Silver’s “It really is local” approach gets valuable.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:45pm

re: #162 calochortus

That’s kind of sad.

Yeah, was thinking the same.
It’s hard to feel sorry for Senior and Son, but these creeps and even Lou Dobbs using this old lady…

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:49:48pm

re: #171 freetoken

More importantly, I wonder how the race will shape up for the US Senate control.

It’ll come down to beating incumbents in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. States with fairly old populations, fairly high shares of white people, and slow demographic change. These are states where I think Sanders will do particularly poorly because of socialism’s stigma.

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mmmirele  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:50:44pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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This Joaquin DeMoreta-Folch is the fellow who filed this gobbledygook in federal court last year over a state case.

I posted this last night, but for those of you who have not feasted your eyes on the eye-burning whack that is a DeMoreta-Folch “legal” “document,” here you go.

Scribd Document

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:50:55pm

re: #175 WhatEVs

Don’t *I* know it! :-D

I actually though to be truthful do feel a little younger than my 28 years. I was the among the youngest in my graduating class and having two younger brothers helps including one a lot younger. It’s so interesting to see him espousing a lot of the same rhetoric I was at the same age during the Bush years. I think he’s a better debater than me though.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:51:19pm

re: #176 freetoken

no spoilers!!

Here’s one: it sucked.

Currently watching the second one now. It’s much better, mainly because it’s not dealing with the UFO mythology.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:51:57pm

re: #180 Brian J.

It’ll come down to beating incumbents in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. States with fairly old populations, fairly high shares of white people, and slow demographic change. These are states where I think Sanders will do particularly poorly because of socialism’s stigma.

I actually think having Hillary as the nominee could really help in those places. Those places were places Obama as well as Kerry and Gore struggled. Clinton knows how to speak their language better.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:52:45pm

Well, my connection to this forum keeps going quiet and I think it’s not always on my end.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:52:48pm

re: #172 Mattand

I triggered a Christie-bot on Twitter who is insisting that Christie has meteorological evidence to back him up. Whatever.

Shockingly, even Christie’s supporters are jerks.

I get a lot of Trumpsters I need to dispose of.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:52:53pm

re: #173 sagehen

I’m happy to hear that, because X-Files really wasn’t.

I thought tonights X-Files was pretty good. Much better than last night.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:53:12pm

Of course, I feel really young since I really got lucky with my genealogical research and found direct line people with my surname going back to the beginning of the 17th century.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:53:18pm

re: #180 Brian J.

It’ll come down to beating incumbents in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. States with fairly old populations, fairly high shares of white people, and slow demographic change. These are states where I think Sanders will do particularly poorly because of socialism’s stigma.

Trump territory.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:53:40pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I actually think having Hillary as the nominee could really help in those places. Those places were places Obama as well as Kerry and Gore struggled. Clinton knows how to speak their language better.

Hillary’s enjoying herself on this question: she notes that Republicans often have a lot of nice things to say once she gets into office, but not when she’s trying to get into office.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:54:02pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

There’s a part of me that really wants there to be just a national primary and that will be that but the two parties would never go for it and the two states too.

I read a great suggestion a few years ago; split the states into regions, North — South — Midwest — West, and the first primary for each region should be the state that had the closest result last election. A couple weeks later, the state for each region that was 2nd closest. Then have free-for-alls where every state can set whatever dates they feel like after that.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:54:08pm

re: #180 Brian J.

It’ll come down to beating incumbents in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. States with fairly old populations, fairly high shares of white people, and slow demographic change. These are states where I think Sanders will do particularly poorly because of socialism’s stigma.

Wisconsin just implemented voter ID. Could be an impact.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:54:24pm

re: #190 Brian J.

Hillary’s enjoying herself on this question: she notes that Republicans often have a lot of nice things to say once she gets into office, but not when she’s trying to get into office.

She seems to be really having fun.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:54:26pm

My wife likes Miranda, and while I’m not a huge TV watcher, when I caught bits of it, I liked Tom Ellis in it. I think he makes a good Lucifer.

I also like Lucifer because I’ve got a holier-than-thou cousin who threw a fit on facebook about Fox showing it.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:03pm

re: #189 freetoken

Trump territory.

Certainly that’s where he’s aiming.

BENGHAZI?!?! SPEW!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:06pm

Speaking of Tom Harkin - he retires and is replaced by Joni Ernest.

Quite a change.

That happens and can swing any way.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:22pm

re: #187 WhatEVs

I thought tonights X-Files was pretty good. Much better than last night.

I just want to know why Duchovny and Anderson took massive amounts of depressants before each line reading.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:38pm

re: #189 freetoken

Trump territory.

I dunno. I think Clinton could possibly resonate with them. My grandparents were never big Obama supporters. Grandma came around on Obama. Grandpa died before Obama even became president so I don’t know if he would have or not but Clinton in the 2008 primaries always did better with blue collar whites. Some of these were Reagan Democrats but others like my Grandparents had never voted Republican hardly ever. I think Clinton would be wise to point out Trump’s management practices to blue collar types if he’s the nominee. They need to know he’s a greedy dick who olny cares about himself.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:38pm

re: #187 WhatEVs

I thought tonights X-Files was pretty good. Much better than last night.

Yeah, last night’s was a Palinese world salad, tonight’s was definitely a step-up.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:55:56pm

re: #197 Mattand

NO SPOILERS!

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:56:41pm

re: #192 WhatEVs

Wisconsin just implemented voter ID. Could be an impact.

But Russ Feingold—I don’t think he’ll be a shrinking violet this time. And I think Wisconsin knows they made a mistake last time. (I live in hope)

YEAH—Hillary bringing up Reagan/Lebanon!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:56:53pm

BENGHAZI!!

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:57:24pm

Hillary talking about the deaths of Americans in Beirut, 250+ people murdered and the Democrats didn’t go apeshit. Ditto when Kenyans and Tanzanians were killed by car bombs in the late 1990s.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:57:30pm

Talking about the guy picked up for DUI on his way to join the refuge takeover.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:58:01pm

I dunno. I just see the GOP as having to overcome a lot to win. Even with Bush who was a lot more reasonable and a lot more inclusive than the current GOP. He still won 2000 only by one state and that was fishy and 2004 was by one state too. I don’t think Clinton wins by Obama margins but I wouldn’t be shocked if she beats the GOP nominee by 5 states easily. I think a lot of women will be excited to vote for the first woman nominee for president the way a lot of African Americans were for Obama. Plus Trump and the GOP have done a lot ot piss off Latino voters. My sister in law’s sister and her husband are very very vocal against Trump and the GOP natvisism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:58:36pm

re: #201 BeachDem

But Russ Feingold—I don’t think he’ll be a shrinking violet this time. And I think Wisconsin knows they made a mistake last time. (I live in hope)

YEAH—Hillary bringing up Reagan/Lebanon!

Good job Hill, let the Republicans know that they worship Reagan who had a lot more people die on his watch than she did and they didn’t try to ruin him for it.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:59:01pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

A lot of people don’t like Trump.

But a lot of people don’t like Hillary, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:59:21pm

re: #207 freetoken

A lot of people don’t like Trump.

But a lot of people don’t like Hillary, too.

That is true as well. Turnout’s going to be a factor.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:59:21pm

re: #204 ausador

Talking about the guy picked up for DUI on his way to join the refuge takeover.

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Lots “of” random quotation “marks” that supposedly have special “meaning” even though they really do “not.”

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 7:59:50pm

re: #207 freetoken

A lot of people don’t like Trump.

But a lot of people don’t like Hillary, too.

A lot of people wouldn’t like Sanders or Cruz or you or me in a national campaign.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:00:09pm

re: #210 Brian J.

A lot of people wouldn’t like Sanders or Cruz or you or me in a national campaign.

Everybody would love me!

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:00:27pm

re: #192 WhatEVs

If Wisconsin goes red 2016 then something aint right in Mayberry.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:00:42pm

re: #211 freetoken

Everybody would love me!

But you smell funny. //

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:00:44pm

Hillary took way too long about the BENGHAZI! thing.

Here she needs to learn from Trump.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:00:51pm

re: #211 freetoken

Everybody would love me!

I hadn’t actually seen this ad from Bernie, but wow, was that content-free.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:01:13pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Indeed. She was as hated by the Republican kids I knew as Bill was. We never hated Laura Bush really.

There was nothing about Laura Bush to hate, or love really, apart from the absence of anything to hate.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:01:14pm

re: #211 freetoken

Everybody would love me!

You’d be yoooge.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:01:38pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

But you smell funny. //

It’s just the cologne…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:02:29pm

re: #212 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

If Wisconsin goes red 2016 then something aint right in Mayberry.

Didn’t it go for Dukakis in ‘88? What’s so interesting is how Republican West Virginia has become. Clinton won it both times but you saw the signs of change coming when Bush beat Gore there in 2000. See, that’s the thing. The Republicans gains are in areas like WV where the said demographic is declining like older whites. The Dems seem to be growing along with the coutnry’s growth. IMO the GOP is really going to regret treating minority voters like shit.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:02:37pm

Hillary has to be harder.

Here is what I would say if I were in her place: “The Republicans are dragging the corpses of their fellow Americans around to exploit their death and sacrifice. Shame on the Republicans”.

That’s all Hillary has to say.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:02:50pm

Hillary chooses Lincoln as the President she most admires, with apologies to Bill and Barry.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:03:00pm

re: #160 freetoken

I’ve become addicted to crack Trumpisms.

I’m just hoping all of this doesn’t hurt you. You seem to be so invested in it all…I wouldn’t want to see any of this drive you crazy! : )

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:03:04pm

re: #207 freetoken

A lot of people don’t like Trump.

But a lot of people don’t like Hillary, too.

I like the candidate who doesn’t vow to use the power of the White House to discriminate against people.

If you have a conscience and an ounce of humanity, this POTUS election should be a no-brainer.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:03:52pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

There was nothing about Laura Bush to hate, or love really, apart from the absence of anything to hate.

I know, I meant from a kid’s perspective though. My friends whose folks were Republicans hated Hillary but me and the other kids with liberal parents really didn’t hate Laura. We hated George obviously but Laura wasn’t hated. I’ve come to like her. Would never vote for her husband but she’s not a nasty person or a snob like Ann Romney was.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:04:04pm

re: #215 Brian J.

I hadn’t actually seen this ad from Bernie, but wow, was that content-free.

But it is well-done and aspirational—and Hillary answered perfectly. “It’s great. It’s poetry. And, as I said earlier, you campaign in poetry and you lead in prose.” (close if not exact)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:04:36pm

re: #223 Mattand

I like the candidate who doesn’t vow to use the power of the White House to discriminate against people.

If you have a conscience and an ounce of humanity, this POTUS election should be a no-brainer.

Well you see sir, we need a majority (ripping on the Adlai Stevenson quote I quoted earlier).

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:05:26pm

At least she didn’t answer “Jefferson Davis”.

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Brian J.  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:06:40pm

And we’re done. Another good performance by Hillary, Sanders performed his one trick well, and O’Malley was there too.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:06:54pm

Yay—now you’ll all get to see my honey, Bakari.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:07:09pm

re: #228 Brian J.

And we’re done. Another good performance by Hillary, Sanders performed his one trick well, and O’Malley was there too.

Everything one might hope for.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:07:29pm

re: #207 freetoken

A lot of people don’t like Trump.

But a lot of people don’t like Hillary, too.

Not in the same way. They know Hillary isn’t freaking nuts. Please give the rest of America a little credit.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:07:49pm

re: #228 Brian J.

Well, she needs a bigger audience than this approach is going to get her.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:09:28pm

There he goes again.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:09:50pm

re: #231 ObserverArt

As someone who used to check the DrudgeReport when it started, I feel that the anti-Hillary campaign has yet to start.

The hatred for Hillary is still lurking there but the Republicans have yet to had to exploit it.

Trump swatted down Bill when DWS threatened to unleash him as the secret weapon.

Just wait.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:09:58pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Okely dokely, kookarino.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:08pm

re: #232 freetoken

Well, she needs a bigger audience than this approach is going to get her.

Everybody knows her name. There aren’t going to be a lot of religious conversions in the next 10 months.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:13pm

“It’s only a flesh wound!”

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:34pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Don’t know… all I can give you is anecdotal. But, uh people here(republicans) actually admit to voting for Bill. I think the hostile takeover by the WISGoP is gonna have some blowback. Honestly, I’m not really sure what the hell happened here besides, you know the Blah guy being president… along with a shitton of AfP money.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:38pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Yeah, laughing at you.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:40pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Standing on his throat, apparently.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:49pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Everybody knows her name. There aren’t going to be a lot of religious conversions in the next 10 months.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:10:58pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Everybody knows her name. There aren’t going to be a lot of religious conversions in the next 10 months.

But she needs to chip away at the negative image, especially in those key states with the older demographic.

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sagehen  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:11:10pm

re: #187 WhatEVs

I thought tonights X-Files was pretty good. Much better than last night.

I’ll watch the whole six eps, but… I’m very sad there’s apparently no Krycek.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:11:36pm

I just can’t watch the post-game show. Just can’t take these talking head wanna-bes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:11:39pm

re: #238 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Don’t know… all I can give you is anecdotal. But, uh people here(republicans) actually admit to voting for Bill. I think the hostile takeover by the WISGoP is gonna have some blowback. Honestly, I’m not really sure what the hell happened here besides, you know the Blah guy being president… along with a shitton of AfP money.

It should be interesting to see what happens. I’d be shocked if Wisconsin went Republican.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:11:52pm

I declare Hillary the victor.

Can we party now?

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Billy Batts  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:12:11pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

Who is he again?
/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:12:28pm

re: #246 freetoken

I declare Hillary the victor.

Can we party now?

Who’s bartending?

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:13:01pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

On top of him?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:13:04pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I know, I meant from a kid’s perspective though. My friends whose folks were Republicans hated Hillary but me and the other kids with liberal parents really didn’t hate Laura. We hated George obviously but Laura wasn’t hated. I’ve come to like her. Would never vote for her husband but she’s not a nasty person or a snob like Ann Romney was.

Laura was a nothing. Hillary was a something. Laura did nothing on which one could base an opinion. Hillary tried to revamp the healthcare system. Laura was a schoolteacher who had long since left her job. Hillary was a high-powered lawyer, the whole time Bill was Governor, and only left the job when he became President.

It should also be noted that there was a whole cottage industry that grew to maturity based solely on hating Bill and Hillary, and pushed a series of bullshit stories, large and small, which cumulatively eroded her image.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:13:11pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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“Behind me, with a chainsaw-powered reciprocating strap-on, giggling and asking me to bend over. No lube. And I’m paying.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:14:00pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Just like Wile E. Coyote:

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:14:17pm

re: #242 freetoken

But she needs to chip away at the negative image, especially in those key states with the older demographic.

The older people loved Bill, Hillary is just Bill but a little farther to the left then he was.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:14:32pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

Laura was a nothing. Hillary was a something. Laura did nothing on which one could base an opinion. Hillary tried to revamp the healthcare system. Laura was a schoolteacher who had long since left her job. Hillary was a high-powered lawyer, the whole time Bill was Governor, and only left the job when he became President.

It should also be noted that there was a whole cottage industry that grew to maturity based solely on hating Bill and Hillary, and pushed a series of bullshit stories, large and small, which cumulatively eroded her image.

Yeah I remember the industry quite well. I was too young for H.W Bush but I doubt there was the organized hate for him that there was Clinton. My Dad always joked he was happy Clinton won because when he took me the inauguration, he knew the music would be better. I don’t remember it at all. After all, I was five.

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TedStriker  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:14:37pm

re: #251 Pawn of the Oppressor

“Behind me, with a chainsaw-powered reciprocating strap-on, giggling and asking me to bend over. No lube. And I’m paying.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:14:50pm

re: #242 freetoken

But she needs to chip away at the negative image, especially in those key states with the older demographic.

It’s more a matter of execution now—convincing the undecided middle to do the sane thing.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:15:16pm

re: #243 sagehen

I’ll watch the whole six eps, but… I’m very sad there’s apparently no Krycek.

Yeah, I was hoping he would make an appearance. Hell, they brought back everyone else who died.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:15:22pm

re: #253 Tigger2

The older people loved Bill,

Oh yes, the older Democrats do. That’s why I have no doubt about who’ll be the nominee.

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:15:23pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Like one of the Onion articles about Bin Laden.

“The US armed forces have been forced to scatter their forces through out Iraq and Afghanistan while we our able to consolidate our strength in a cave 1000 miles from nowhere!”

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:15:30pm

re: #201 BeachDem

But Russ Feingold—I don’t think he’ll be a shrinking violet this time. And I think Wisconsin knows they made a mistake last time. (I live in hope)

YEAH—Hillary bringing up Reagan/Lebanon!

Only if people are allowed to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:15:46pm

re: #253 Tigger2

The older people loved Bill,

It’s actually interesting about that. The older blue collar guys in my family were never too fond of Bill, they did not like NAFTA and free trade but I thikn they liked him more than Mondale or Dukakis easily.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:16:08pm

Neo-Nazi Andrew Auernheimer wants to help the Rage Furby dox attendees at Planned Parenthood meetings. Yeah, great idea if you want to make sure you’ll go to jail.

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Great White Snark  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:16:36pm

So MSNBC is not carrying this either?!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:17:07pm

re: #260 WhatEVs

Only if people are allowed to vote.

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Brought to you by the same GOP who wants to make buying a gun like buying a Reese’s peanut butter cup. Fuckers and their contempt for people exercising their franchise. What’s the matter Republicans? Afraid if people vote, you’ll get your sorry asses thrown out. This shit is disgraceful.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:17:11pm

re: #258 freetoken

Oh yes, the older Democrats do. That’s why I have no doubt about who’ll be the nominee.

I’m one of those older people that hated the way the GOP treated him and will never forget it. I see them trying to do the same thing to Hillary now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:19:01pm

re: #241 klys (maker of Silmarils)

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

I’m gonna sing the Doom Song!!

Doom, doom, doom doom, doom doom doom doom!
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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:19:04pm

re: #234 freetoken

As someone who used to check the DrudgeReport when it started, I feel that the anti-Hillary campaign has yet to start.

The hatred for Hillary is still lurking there but the Republicans have yet to had to exploit it.

Trump swatted down Bill when DWS threatened to unleash him as the secret weapon.

Just wait.

I don’t think I’ll wait. I’ve seen almost 30 years of Clinton attacks. What will be new to see?

No, I’m going to count on people seeing through some of the bullshit. Sure there are those that won’t. I happen to think there are more that see all this a bit more clearly than what all this crap on the internet and all the talking heads say it is. I trust people will see Trump for what he really is. I trust that people will see Cruz as the slick liar he is.

I trust there are people that will say…”I don’t know, Clinton has all that baggage, but she has been around and in it all and in the political wars. But Trump, no way I can vote for that hateful arrogant man…and Cruz sends shivers down my spine.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:19:54pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:20:02pm

Bill brought a lot of working class Democrats back to the party. We were never a Reagan Democrat family thankfully- my grandpa in fact always joked that Reagan was a shitty actor in his opinion(never seen any of Ronnie’s movies but I’ll take his word for it heh) but I think the older people on my mom’s side were happy with what they saw out of Clinton. I guess they related to him more than Mondale or Dukakis which is kinda interesting given both Mondale and Dukakis were from their generation and like them the children of immigrants.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:20:12pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

The Doom Song - Gir (Invader Zim)

I’m going to get a lot of exercise from this clip for the next while, I can tell.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:20:13pm
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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:20:51pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Brought to you by the same GOP who wants to make buying a gun like buying a Reese’s peanut butter cup. Fuckers and their contempt for people exercising their franchise. What’s the matter Republicans? Afraid if people vote, you’ll get your sorry asses thrown out. This shit is disgraceful.

And, at least here in South by dog Carolina, the Clinton team workers are not only campaining hard for Hillary, but are really pushing to GOTV—working to help people get the info they need for absentee ballots/absentee in-person voting etc.

I know it’s a struggle and totally digusting, but we have to do whatever we can to get as many people registered and IDed and to the polls as we can (Right, Decatur Deb??)

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:22:46pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“Gir! Why is there bacon in the soap?”

“I MADE IT MYSELF! HEHEHEHEHEHE!”

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:23:05pm

Yes, the Democratic debates/forums are kinder, gentler.

More feminine.

But when UFC or the NFL want to put asses in seats, they don’t do that.

Rather, conflict is emphasized.

Because that raises emotions.

And people act on emotions.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:23:42pm

re: #272 BeachDem

And, at least here in South by dog Carolina, the Clinton team workers are not only campaining hard for Hillary, but are really pushing to GOTV—working to help people get the info they need for absentee ballots/absentee in-person voting etc.

I know it’s a struggle and totally digusting, but we have to do whatever we can to get as many people registered and IDed and to the polls as we can (Right, Decatur Deb??)

Words can’t describe how much I detest Roberts for acting like it was absurd to act like racism was still a problem in the deep South. I even have resotrted to calling hi ma doughface the same word used for slavery sympathizing pre-civil war Dems like Pierce and Buchanan.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:23:44pm

I have a headache.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:23:51pm

re: #263 Great White Snark

So MSNBC is not carrying this either?!

Solely owned by CNN. This is our media.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:24:08pm

re: #201 BeachDem

Yeah, Russ. I’ve always been a huge fan. I remember talking to a good friend of mine in the September leading up to the election Russ was booted for Johnson.

The Wisconsin Dems wrote him off early. It blew my mind at the time. Pretty sure he’s still a bit sore about that.

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WhatEVs  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:24:38pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Can you go for an insanity defense in civil matters?

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bratwurst  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:25:41pm

This:

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:25:46pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a headache.

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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:26:27pm

re: #278 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Yeah, Russ. I’ve always been a huge fan. I remember talking to a good friend of mine in the September leading up to the election Russ was booted for Johnson.

The Wisconsin Dems wrote him off early. It blew my mind at the time. Pretty sure he’s still a bit sore about that.

He’s always been my pretend boyfriend! Love love love him. Not only did the Wisconsin Dems write him off, but the national Dems didn’t do much of anything for him. I never gave a dime to the DNC after that. Did contribute to Russ’s campaign directly and will again.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:26:39pm
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BeachDem  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:27:59pm

re: #283 Tigger2

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Trump would have had her thrown out.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:28:36pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:28:51pm

re: #274 freetoken

Yes, the Democratic debates/forums are kinder, gentler.

More feminine.

But when UFC or the NFL want to put asses in seats, they don’t do that.

Rather, conflict is emphasized.

Because that raises emotions.

And people act on emotions.

And they also react against them. If the emotions are dangerous or fake why wouldn’t they?

Though I admit…I tend to be optimistic.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:29:18pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #273 Kragar

THE PANTS COMMAND ME! DO NOT IGNORE MY VEINS!!!!

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:29:29pm

re: #284 BeachDem

Trump would have had her thrown out.

And call her a Terrorist on the way out.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:30:01pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:30:48pm

re: #285 freetoken

S.C. Republican who called Nikki Haley ‘a [bigoted word]’ to endorse Trump

Surprised?

The comment filter is messing up the link, here’s a valid one:
donotlink.com

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:30:59pm

I took one of my co-workers telemark skiing today, it was his first time. He took to it pretty quickly and realized at the end of the day that he was going to put together a rig. He has boots now, given to him by my tuning colleague. He needs to find skis (we’re close on that, and the price is right [free]) and bindings.

In one afternoon I completely changed the way this fellow approaches the sport of skiing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:31:06pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a headache.

Pressure building up. I think the best thing to do is let it out in little creative ways.

If you know what I mean.

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Kragar  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:31:32pm

re: #287 Mattand

THE PANTS COMMAND ME! DO NOT IGNORE MY VEINS!!!!

“Tell me a story about giant pigs!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:32:17pm

re: #281 teleskiguy

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I hate the self-inflicted pain.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:32:22pm

re: #292 ObserverArt

Pressure building up. I think the best thing to do is let it out in little creative ways.

If you know what I mean.

Take this mini nuke.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:32:25pm

re: #283 Tigger2

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The Democratic Party is very representative of America as a whole. The GOP otoh have tokens who try to sound as wingnutty as their white counterparts to get the base to overlook their race.

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:32:42pm

re: #294 ObserverArt

I hate the self-inflicted pain.

Me too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:32:45pm

re: #292 ObserverArt

Pressure building up. I think the best thing to do is let it out in little creative ways.

If you know what I mean.

I’m almost done with the current cross stitch piece - just the beading left.

Need to pick out the next one to do.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:33:24pm

re: #284 BeachDem

Trump would have had her thrown out.

If she would have been let in the first place. They yes.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:34:30pm
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jaunte  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:35:10pm

TX Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick still hasn’t tweeted anything about the Daleiden indictment after he pushed for PP to be investigated by a grand jury.
twitter.com

Politifact Texas:

Dan Patrick says Planned Parenthood does nothing but profit from killing babies, selling body parts
politifact.com

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:35:51pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:36:11pm

re: #284 BeachDem

Trump would have had her thrown out.

You’re assuming that she would have even been allowed inside.

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Mattand  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:36:22pm

re: #298 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m almost done with the current cross stitch piece - just the beading left.

Need to pick out the next one to do.

Zim and Gir posed like they’re in Michelangelo’s Creation of Adam would be cool.

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Tigger2  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:38:56pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

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He must be one of those Bernie people./ lol

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:39:02pm

re: #298 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m almost done with the current cross stitch piece - just the beading left.

Need to pick out the next one to do.

Gadsden flags are all the rage.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:39:39pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

oooooph.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:39:57pm

re: #303 Bill and Opus for 2016!

You’re assuming that she would have even been allowed inside.

Yeah I’d be shocked if she would have been too. This is a party audience that boos gay service members. The minute she said she was an AF vet, they would have booed her or accused her of lying.

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ausador  Jan 25, 2016 • 8:41:13pm

re: #234 freetoken

As someone who used to check the DrudgeReport when it started, I feel that the anti-Hillary campaign has yet to start.

The hatred for Hillary is still lurking there but the Republicans have yet to had to exploit it.

Trump swatted down Bill when DWS threatened to unleash him as the secret weapon.

Just wait.

Those folks aren’t going to vote for her if Jesus came back just to ask them too. IMHO the GOP has unloosed on her way too early, what new are they going to bring up?

Nobody except their base cares anymore, Whitewater, Benghazi, emails zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 25, 2016 • 9:03:33pm

re: #161 Belafon

Considering how badly she has been running the congressional races, I think she still should lose the chair.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jan 25, 2016 • 9:09:05pm

re: #300 freetoken

Considering how many Muslims have treated Sikhs in the past, that is an amazing statement of solitary.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jan 25, 2016 • 9:29:28pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

There he goes again.

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Boy’s delusional

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CleverToad  Jan 25, 2016 • 9:44:20pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Heh I was just teasing. But still. Kids born from 1998 graduating high school this year just feels surreal as fuck.

It gets worse, y’know. My kid was born in 1998, so this will be his first vote. (And I’ve drummed it into his head, he’d better be out there EVERY election…)

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teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2016 • 9:52:05pm

re: #313 CleverToad

It gets worse, y’know. My kid was born in 1998, so this will be his first vote. (And I’ve drummed it into his head, he’d better be out there EVERY election…)

I’m 33. The first election I voted in was 2000 in Colorado. I voted for Ralph Nader and I voted Yay on Colorado Amendment 20, which legalized medicinal cannabis. A 20 passed that year, and I knew then and there that elections matter.

46 Amendments later, and cannabis is fully and verily legal for all purposes within the borders of Colorado.

Vote Quimby!

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Swift2991  Jan 26, 2016 • 3:39:45pm

B-But almost all of the millennials are for Bernie! And why not aspire higher?

Bernie’s strategy has as much chance of winning as Eugene Debs or Norman Thomas, the other socialists who ran for president. When we inaugurate President Trump, will the moal satisfaction of TRYING be enough?


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