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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:10:00am

Sheriff Ward now speaking

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:10:29am

“I’ve been working on this since December 15”
“They had demands I could not meet”

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:10:51am

KATU is in almost a minute delay.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:11:13am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

just came on the Katu stream

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:11:17am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’ve been working on this since December 15”
“They had demands I could not meet”

I thought he said November 5th.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:11:35am

“some of these people have been in town stirring issues”

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Dr. Matt  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:11:49am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’ve been working on this since December 15”
“They had demands I could not meet”

I thought he said November 5th. ???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:11:56am

“it’s time for everyone in this illegal occupation to move on.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:12:18am

re: #7 Dr. Matt

I thought he said November 5th. ???

I could have misheard, but pretty sure he said December 15

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:12:40am

“this can’t happen in Harney County”

much applause.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:12:55am
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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:13:39am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

I could have misheard, but pretty sure he said December 15

I heard November

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:13:43am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

I could have misheard, but pretty sure he said December 15

I just rolled back the PVR and he did say Nov 5th.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:14:05am
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KerFuFFler  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:14:53am

Reposted from last thread:

Uncanny!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:15:45am

re: #12 Kragar

re: #13 WhatEVs

OK, I must still be tired…

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Nyet  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:16:16am

re: #15 KerFuFFler

Nah, the baby is cute.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:16:43am
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wrenchwench  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:17:36am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Commoners.

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nkdee  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:18:07am

re: #5 WhatEVs

The Sheriff was SO nervous he could have said November.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:18:44am

re: #20 nkdee

The Sheriff was SO nervous he could have said November.

He appeared extremely distressed.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:19:12am

re: #20 nkdee

The Sheriff was SO nervous he could have said November.

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nkdee  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:20:55am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

So all the others were arrested but Victoria was let go?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:21:45am

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:21:57am

re: #23 nkdee

So all the others were arrested but Victoria was let go?

Rawstory mentions an “unidentified 18-year-old woman” but does not say what happened to her.

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nkdee  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:21:59am

re: #22 FormerDirtDart

Fine…I said he could have said it….so he DID say it. Do you think he was “working on it” before it happened?

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:22:37am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

Lawyers are part of the conspiracy!
/

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:22:37am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Rawstory mentions an “unidentified 18-year-old woman” but does not say what happened to her.

Ted Nugent’s girlfriend?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:23:01am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel

Ted Nugent’s girlfriend?

Too old.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:23:17am

I’m really hoping that there is good video of the arrests last night (and whatever is going to happen at the refuge). Yeah, there will be a few dead-enders who refuse to believe anything contrary to what they want to believe, but most people can be convinced by clear video evidence.

As careful and restrained as LE has been so far, I am betting they are carefully documenting everything. Hope I am right.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:23:28am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, I must still be tired…

Aren’t we all? :-)

I just had more coffee.

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b.d.  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:23:29am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

SMITH & WESSON ARE MY LAWYERS!!

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nkdee  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:24:06am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:24:07am
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makeitstop  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:24:26am

re: #26 nkdee

Fine…I said he could have said it….so he DID say it. Do you think he was “working on it” before it happened?

He might have been ‘working on’ aspects that dealt with the Hammonds - the forgotten subjects in this sordid episode..

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:24:36am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

Quitter!

//

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:24:44am

re: #20 nkdee

I think some of the militia people were in town weeks prior to the takeover. I have heard stuff to that effect where they had been harassing federal and local/state employees over the Hammond issue.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:25:23am

re: #26 nkdee

Fine…I said he could have said it….so he DID say it. Do you think he was “working on it” before it happened?

I believe he was referring to the Bundy’s original demand back in Nov. that the Hammond’s not having to return to jail, not the refuge occupation

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Nyet  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:26:20am

After this is over, the authorities should make sure that, aside from prisons sentences, the gang is also financially ruined.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:26:30am

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:26:31am

re: #35 makeitstop

He might have been ‘working on’ aspects that dealt with the Hammonds - the forgotten subjects in this sordid episode..

Actually, Ammon Bundy and others were in Harney County weeks before the occupation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:27:34am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

And they are also calling it a “routine traffic stop” instead of the felony stop that it actually was.

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DarknSilentNight  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:27:39am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I’m shocked… SHOCKED, I SAY!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:27:59am

Not a word about this on the Breitbart “News” front page.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:28:08am

Oregonlive has Victoria Sharp (the previously unidentified 18-year-old) account.

The teenager had traveled to the refuge last week with her mother and six of her siblings to sing religious and patriotic songs. Sharp said she was in the other car — separate from McConnell — because she planned to sing at the community meeting in John Day late Tuesday afternoon.

Sharp said that Finicum was driving to the meeting and that Ryan Payne was in the passenger seat. She said she was sitting in the back seat between Ryan Bundy and Shawna Cox.

Sharp didn’t immediately return a Facebook message seeking comment.

In a 12-minute audio-only video on YouTube, Sharp said that after they were stopped by police, Payne was trying to get her and Cox safely out of the car when police took their first shot.

“He put his hands out the window, he was trying to talk with them,” said Sharp, who was raised in Kansas but lists on her Facebook page that she is currently living in Montana.

“Ryan (Payne) said, ‘We have women in the car, let the women out,” she said, “He stuck his head out and they shot at him… but they missed him.”

Sharp said that they began to realize that the police “meant business” and that Finicum, who was driving, yelled that he was going to continue driving so that he could “talk to the sheriff.”

“He drove and we all got down on the floorboards and they just started firing at us, shooting at us a bunch of times,” she said, adding that Finicum reached the roadblock and his truck rammed into a snowbank.

With the car running, she said, Finicum “got out of the car and he had his hands in the air and he was like, ‘Just shoot me then, just shoot me.’”

If she was “down on the floorboards” dodging bullets then how could she see Finicum’s position?

Just saying her story is not consistent.

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Nyet  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:28:30am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

Smart people learn from the others’ mistakes… These are not smart people.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:28:35am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

Fiore should be arrested. If this isn’t “fire in a crowded theater,” nothing is.

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DarknSilentNight  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:29:04am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Not a word about this on the Breitbart “News” front page.

Give’em a minute. They’re trying to figure out how Obama was responsible for all of this.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:29:31am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

Any rational person would.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:29:41am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

Of course. They hate actual information, but love to parrot whatever a right-wing dumbass feeds them. Conservatives are literally a cult at this point.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:30:39am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Rawstory mentions an “unidentified 18-year-old woman” but does not say what happened to her.

If that was the woman shown in the mugshot picture, those were the hardest 18 years ever. That woman looked to be 45 at least.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:31:05am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

Morals aside, there is a practical aspect: Waging war is one of the few things that actually cost more than competent legal advice.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:31:19am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

And their only source seems to be their best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend who heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who heard what happened.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:31:35am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

OK Oregonlive has Victoria Sharp (the previously unidentified 18-year-old) account.

If she was “down on the floorboards” dodging bullets then how could she see Finicum’s position?

Just saying her story is not consistent.

And her mom and siblings were already at the meeting in John Day, why wasn’t she with them?

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Timothy Watson  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:31:48am

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t know about you guys. But if I ever had legal issues with someone, even the federal government, I’d obtain a lawyer instead of staging an armed insurrection.

BETA MALE!11!

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:31:59am

re: #48 DarknSilentNight

Give’em a minute. They’re trying to figure out how Obama was responsible for all of this.

Prediction: They’ll say that the whole thing was staged to happen the day before the GOP debate so as to draw attention from it…or something.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:32:00am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

This will now be gospel. And a new religion is born…

The footage will come out eventually, since there’s no way this won’t generate lawsuits.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:32:49am

re: #53 Kragar

And their only source seems to be their best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend who heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who heard what happened.

And Morgan Fairchild…Yeeeaaaaahhhhh! That’s the ticket.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:33:40am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

As soon as he tried to ram the Feds, it became a deadly force scenario. They had no idea what he might try next. If he did anything other than get down on the ground, he got what was coming to him.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:35:03am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:35:20am

re: #59 Kragar

As soon as he tried to ram the Feds, it became a deadly force scenario. They had no idea what he might try next. If he did anything other than get down on the ground, he got what was coming to him.

I have watched enough “live chase” scenes on NBCLA to know that the cops expect nothing less than the perp flat on the ground face down spread eagle.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:36:53am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:37:21am

The ranting commandos are now questioning if they have equipment to “take down” what they have decided is an plane circling above them

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:38:22am

re: #62 WhatEVs

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big words from some goober posting from the safety of his own home somewhere far away.

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Jay C  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:38:29am

re: #48 DarknSilentNight

Give’em a minute. They’re trying to figure out how Obama was responsible for all of this.

I’m sure that minute has already passed: somewhere out on the “Net, I’m positive someone has tweeted/posted some breathless bullshit along the lines of “Obama’s FBI murders peaceful protester” or whatever.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:39:32am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

big words from some goober posting from the safety of his own home somewhere far away.

No True Patriots (tm).

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:40:27am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

I told my spouse we were watching the growth of a right wing propaganda myth in real time, and that as an academic matter it was fascinating.

What is terrifying is that unstable people with guns believe it and will always believe it no matter what evidence is produced to the contrary.

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unproven innocence  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:43:06am

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

I have watched enough “live chase” scenes on NBCLA to know that the cops expect nothing less than the perp flat on the ground face down spread eagle.

devil’s advocate: He may have wanted to get past the snow bank first.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:43:46am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The story that he was shot with his hands up is spreading like wildfire throughout the right wing wing media and blogs, of course.

And once video is released to debunk their claims, they are going to claim the video was edited, chemtrails, and NWO.

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calochortus  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:45:36am

re: #68 unproven innocence

devil’s advocate: He may have wanted to get past the snow bank first.

Could have just stayed in the car. That seems like a safe alternative.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:45:56am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

And once video is released to debunk their claims, they are going to claim the video was edited, chemtrails, and NWO.

Exactly! It is impossible to prove anything to people who refuse to be convinced.

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WhatEVs  Jan 27, 2016 • 11:46:59am

re: #68 unproven innocence

devil’s advocate: He may have wanted to get past the snow bank first.

The problem with all of that is that this is a heavily armed crew. If he got behind a snowbank, that could be cover to shooting LEO. It’s not like he’s some unarmed kid walking down the street. They’ve repeatedlarmy indicated that they are heavily armed and, Finicum specifically, stated he would rather die than be taken into custody.

That all makes him a very dangerous person.

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unproven innocence  Jan 27, 2016 • 12:03:45pm

re: #72 WhatEVs

Agreed, dangerous indeed.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 27, 2016 • 12:04:04pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Sounds like a typical eyewitness report. Lots of supposition, bad memory, inconstant claims.

I’m remembering the book Killer by ‘Joey’. ‘Joey’ was a mob hitter.

He related one of his hits. He walked into a busy restaurant during lunch, plugged his target and walked out again.

‘Joey’ got to see the report on his hit later. Thirty people saw him. Not a single description matched him.

Eyewitnesses are not very observant for the most part.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Jan 27, 2016 • 12:12:22pm

re: #62 WhatEVs

[Embedded content]

Yeah, expect the dumbasses to start snarling & biting at each other now. They have their little fantasy worlds, and when things don’t turn out like they do in Red Dawn or Commando, they won’t abandon their conviction that they are the star of the movie. They’ll just start blaming everyone else.

Ladies and gentlemen. The party of personal responsibility and rugged individualism. Whining and running their mouths.

Anyone who’s spent time around dimwitted drama queen white trash will recognize this behavior immediately.

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steve_davis  Jan 27, 2016 • 5:51:58pm

re: #51 WhatEVs

If that was the woman shown in the mugshot picture, those were the hardest 18 years ever. That woman looked to be 45 at least.

I’m guessing a former and/or current meth addict.


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