The Oregon Militia Standoff Is Officially Kaput

This is the end, my only friend

US NewsJanuary 2016 • Views: 60,557

A convoy of law enforcement vehicles heads to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, Jan. 26, 2016

And the great Bundy militia occupation of a bird sanctuary comes to an end, not with a bang but a whimper, as the rest of the armed nitwits surrender peacefully. Apparently there’s one die-hard still left inside the Wildlife Refuge headquarters, but law enforcement is saying the area is “secure” according to Oregon Public Broadcasting reporter Ryan Haas.

LEO says at least one person still inside. but called the scene “secure”

— Ryan Haas (@ryanjhaas) January 28, 2016

All the roads are open except the road right outside the refuge #Oregonstandoff

— Ryan Haas (@ryanjhaas) January 28, 2016

Also see

Remaining Militants Begin To Leave Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

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284 comments

Testy Toad T Jan 28, 2016 • 3:57:36pm

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the birdcage.

With the benefit of hindsight, I am willing to say that it looks like the feds did everything almost exactly right. Textbook marginalization and farming of complacency followed by swift and decisive force. Only the fringiest of the fringe could possibly think there were any martyrs here.

Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2016 • 3:57:56pm

ISIS Boy is locked in the bathroom flushing the last of the weed. He doesn’t know that the CIA has drywall-penetrating imaging radar installed at Yakima.

darthstar Jan 28, 2016 • 3:58:33pm

So sad…and they were so confident Obama would surrender to them like Fox said he would.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 3:59:24pm

Confirmed: There is at least one person remaining in the wildlife refuge. #OregonStandoff

— John Sepulvado (@JohnLGC) January 28, 2016

EPR-radar Jan 28, 2016 • 3:59:43pm

re: #1 Testy Toad T

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the birdcage.

With the benefit of hindsight, I am willing to say that it looks like the feds did everything almost exactly right. Textbook marginalization and farming of complacency followed by swift and decisive force. Only the fringiest of the fringe could possibly think there were any martyrs here.

My thoughts exactly. This partially compensates for the failure at the Bundy Ranch.

Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2016 • 3:59:52pm

Please note that there have been twenty times as many dead from domestic violence shootings since Tuesday as there were killed in Oregon.

FREEDUMB

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:01:22pm

Still no SEALS, eh? Now comes the bill for the damages from the Crack Head Moron-O-Thon.

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:01:23pm

I guess they ran out of Mad Dog and got tired of fighting over the dildos.

Testy Toad T Jan 28, 2016 • 4:02:48pm

re: #5 EPR-radar

My thoughts exactly. This partially compensates for the failure at the Bundy Ranch.

I wonder if they had been waiting for that crop of Bundys to get complacent and then wander off as a group to somewhere where they could be easily, discretely, and safely taken into custody, but that the group split before that happened.

We’ll never really know what the feds were thinking in that case. Certainly it’s safer to assume that plans never survive first contact with the enemy, and that it’s better to attribute failures to incompetence than malice. IMHO anyway.

FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 4:03:13pm

2 days later, LaVoy Finicum officially confirmed as deceased militiaman. Outside DA’s office handling investigation. pic.twitter.com/Fm28JARJaY

— Sam Levin (@SamTLevin) January 29, 2016

darthstar Jan 28, 2016 • 4:04:11pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Probably blockading himself inside of his own Dildo-henge fortress with all the snacks. #Oregonstandoff https://t.co/xQgi1v9MBF

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) January 29, 2016

Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2016 • 4:04:12pm

Notice they only broke out the dope after the Mormon brain trust got scooped up? (So far as we know). One can surmise that somebody’s had the stuff up there for a while. Unless they bought it local, it is Oregon, after all. We may never know for sure, but there may be FBI surveillance of their weed breaks.

People are strange animals.

Jenner7 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:06:38pm

Rick Santorum stumbling all over the place…

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:06:41pm

re: #7 nines09

Still no SEALS, eh? Now comes the bill for the damages from the Crack Head Moron-O-Thon.

LOL!!!

Also, anyone who missed JJ McNab’s Navy Seal explanation (true story!) last night, start with this tweet:

About those Navy Seals.. Now that I have a few minutes to explain why the militants thinks Seals are on the way..

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) January 28, 2016

trust me, you will love it.

Testy Toad T Jan 28, 2016 • 4:07:13pm

re: #13 Jenner7

Rick Santorum stumbling all over the place…

Better than Santorum dripping all over the place.

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:07:48pm

re: #15 Testy Toad T

Better than Santorum dripping all over the place.

Ewwwwwww.

Jebediah, RBG Jan 28, 2016 • 4:08:58pm

re: #16 WhatEVs

Cleanup on aisle Margin-of-Error!

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:09:25pm

Harney County- Media on Sodhouse Rd is blocking emergency vehicle access. Please do not park in the road. pic.twitter.com/6tDErJaHOT

— Oregon State Police (@ORStatePolice) January 28, 2016

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:10:34pm

Yes, Virginia, there really is a Jim Gilmore. #GOPDebate

— free token (@freetoken) January 29, 2016

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:11:52pm

“I’m not a New York funded campaign..” - Shuckabee

Big Beautiful Door Jan 28, 2016 • 4:11:58pm

re: #19 freetoken

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So they deigned to let him join Huck, Carly and Frothy?

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:12:56pm

Shuckabee sounding a bit like Trump…

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 4:13:27pm

re: #20 freetoken

“I’m not a New York funded campaign..” - Shuckabee

I thought Huck was skipping this to go to the Dump rally?

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:14:04pm

Terrorism, not correctly counting the events… .ignoring the American type of terrorism.

To the Republicans, “terrorism” == Islam

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:14:18pm

re: #23 Trump: Free hair gel from me. Come to the beach!

I thought Huck was skipping this to go to the Dump rally?

After the undercard.

FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 4:14:19pm

OK, according to Fry’s last update this morning, the guy facing arrest from the last standouts is “Sean”

No telling if he’s the remaining holdout right now.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Fry holding out
Update 9:16am Jan 28 2016

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 4:15:03pm

re: #25 freetoken

After the undercard.

Ahhh.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:15:32pm

Fiorina - brings the “bitterly” in the “bitterly clinging” phrase.

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:16:17pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

OK, according to Fry’s last update this morning, the guy facing arrest from the last standouts is “Sean”

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No telling if he’s the remaining holdout right now.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Fry holding out
Update 9:16am Jan 28 2016

I’m betting on Fry.

Or Spittle Sean stroked out.

darthstar Jan 28, 2016 • 4:16:23pm

I can’t believe they’re still doing undercard debates. This is just cruel and unusual punishment for the lower tier candidates.

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:16:46pm

All of the GOP candidates are just horrible people.

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:16:48pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

OL, according to Fry’s last update this morning, the guy facing arrest from the last standouts is “Sean”

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No telling if he’s the remaining holdout right now.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Fry holding out
Update 9:16am Jan 28 2016

Yep, Sean Anderson is the one facing arrest. That’s him.
Could be either Sean or David holding out.
Sean because he wants to go out in a blaze of glory, or David because that child seriously has mental issues.

Barefoot Grin Jan 28, 2016 • 4:16:54pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

OK, according to Fry’s last update this morning, the guy facing arrest from the last standouts is “Sean”

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No telling if he’s the remaining holdout right now.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Fry holding out
Update 9:16am Jan 28 2016

This is what happens when Cabbage Patch dolls come in contact with water.

majii Jan 28, 2016 • 4:17:24pm

re: #1 Testy Toad T

Oh, but there seem to be quite a few who are still trying to portray Finicum as a “martyr to the cause,” including Cliven Bundy. These nuts are adamantly refusing to admit that the Malheur terrorists broke several state and federal laws, such is the level of their denial of reality. These out-of-state tools went to Oregon, took over a federal installation, intimidated and threatened local residents, made sure everyone in sight saw that they were heavily armed, closed down a school for several days, caused some federal employees to be unable to report for work, set up their own government and court system, and some far right diehards still think they should escape any/all punishment and get to keep their guns so they can do this all again in some other state/states. SMDH.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:17:26pm

BENGHAZI!!

darthstar Jan 28, 2016 • 4:18:07pm

#GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/5FovE3LFH3

— Sarah Wood (@SarahWoodwriter) January 29, 2016

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:18:10pm

Press conference will be at 5:30. Next official info likely to come then. #Oregonstandoff

— Ryan Haas (@ryanjhaas) January 29, 2016

In FBI’s release about the press conference, they refer to the refuge as an “on-going situation” #Oregonstandoff

— Ryan Haas (@ryanjhaas) January 29, 2016

Emoprog Refugee Jan 28, 2016 • 4:18:54pm

Hmmm

I’m talking to one of the Oregon occupiers still inside the refuge, David Fry. He says no one among the final four has surrendered.— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) January 28, 2016

So, is Fry high off his ass and doesn’t realize everyone else left, or is Matt Pearce confused?

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:20:12pm

re: #34 majii

Oh, but there seem to be quite a few who are still trying to portray Finicum as a “martyr to the cause,” including Cliven Bundy. These nuts are adamantly refusing to admit that the Malheur terrorists broke several state and federal laws, such is the level of their denial of reality. These out-of-state tools went to Oregon, took over a federal installation, intimidated and threatened local residents, made sure everyone in sight saw that they were heavily armed, closed down a school for several days, caused some federal employees to be unable to report for work, set up their own government and court system, and some far right diehards still think they should escape any/all punishment and get to keep their guns so they can do this all again in some other state/states. SMDH.

Inorite? Only exercising their First Amendment rights! They were peaceful! They didn’t do nuthin’ wrong! They’re PATRIOTS, dammit!

What a doughy pantload of baloney.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:20:27pm

Gilmore - expert in the Cold War, 25 years after it’s over.

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:20:31pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

OL, according to Fry’s last update this morning, the guy facing arrest from the last standouts is “Sean”

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No telling if he’s the remaining holdout right now.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Fry holding out
Update 9:16am Jan 28 2016

Just look at that photo and envision this.Video

Looks like a bizarro world anti-Woodstock on worse than brown acid. No bands. Or like a hobo jungle on meth. No.

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:20:43pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

All of the GOP candidates are just horrible people.

You’re too kind.

Testy Toad T Jan 28, 2016 • 4:20:57pm

re: #34 majii

Oh, but there seem to be quite a few who are still trying to portray Finicum as a “martyr to the cause,” including Cliven Bundy.

Operative word bolded.

There are a lot of people (entirely too many) who are at least vaguely sympathetic to the idea that the feds used excessive force at Ruby Ridge or in Waco. I think a lot fewer people are going to be sympathetic to Finicum’s case.

retired cynic Jan 28, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

I just dropped by the undercard debate, and everyone sounded like expected, except Fiorina’s answer about ISIS sounded absolute 180° off center.

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:21:27pm

This hashtag is trending, and it’s pretty damn funny.

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you’re voting for a billionaire when you live in a double wide.— Astor Gravelle (@Astorix23) January 28, 2016

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:22:01pm

That’s it. I officially have GOP debate PTSD. So done with these clowns and their lies.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 28, 2016 • 4:22:36pm

Breaking: The Tiger Beat on the Potomac looks like its imploding from the top.

In what can be described only as a cataclysm in Beltway media, CEO Jim VandeHei is leaving Politico, the eight-year-old politics website that shook up Washington journalism, according to sources and reports by Huffington Post and CNNMoney.

And in what can be described only as a mega-cataclysm, Politico Chief White House correspondent Mike Allen is joining VandeHei in rushing toward the exits of Politico’s Rosslyn headquarters. Allen writes the daily franchise newsletter “Politico Playbook.” A bearer of occasional scoops, Allen is the driver of very frequent revenue. Weekly sponsorships for “Playbook” run in the $50,000 to $60,000 range this year, depending on the news cycle. And that’s not even rolling in the big money that comes from “Politico Playbook” conferences/interviews anchored by Allen. His work alone — complete with ethical issues — subsidized a platoon of Politico reporters.

retired cynic Jan 28, 2016 • 4:22:56pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Agree. Fiorina did it for me. I’m posting here and watching HGTV. GAH!

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:23:48pm

They left off Loki, the real winner:

Undercard Voting

HappyWarrior Jan 28, 2016 • 4:24:42pm

re: #49 freetoken

They left off Loki, the real winner:

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Jim Gilmore’s home life must suck since he’s still in it this late.

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:24:42pm

MSNBC is showing Trump’s plane landing. Oh, for fuck’s sake…

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:25:25pm

They left off Loki, the real winner of the #GOPDebate: pic.twitter.com/f527xoHCRC

— free token (@freetoken) January 29, 2016

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:25:26pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you actually think “white genocide” is a real thing.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you have to wear long sleeve shirts to job interviews to cover up your swastika tattoos.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

Barefoot Grin Jan 28, 2016 • 4:25:30pm

re: #47 Eric The Fruit Bat

Breaking: The Tiger Beat on the Potomac looks like its imploding from the top.

Probably more discus commenters will arrive to feed on its rotting corpse. And then go back to the Hill, Mediaite, etc, etc.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:25:52pm

Shuckabee talking about job losses and Newton Iowa - sounding very much like Trump.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:26:07pm

Shuckabee is negotiating a position in the Trump administration.

Emoprog Refugee Jan 28, 2016 • 4:26:31pm

re: #49 freetoken

They left off Loki, the real winner:

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Wait, who is Jim Gilmore?? OMG, I can no longer call myself a political junkie. Sad face.

Jenner7 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:26:55pm

Every time they show Carly, her cross gets bigger….

majii Jan 28, 2016 • 4:27:03pm

re: #48 retired cynic

I’m posting here and watching a very, very, very old sci-fi flick, The Creeping Unknown, on Comet TV, which is much better, and more interesting, than any GOP/TP debate.

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:27:05pm

re: #49 freetoken

They left off Loki, the real winner:

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WHAT FUCKING DEBATE? It was an advert for medication. Bad medication. With horrible side effects.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:27:14pm

These people are trying to sound like Trump.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:28:43pm

Wow, a question about HP.

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 4:30:08pm

re: #62 freetoken

Wow, a question about HP.

I had to think what that was for a moment. Shows you how easily Fiorina slips out of your consciousness.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:30:09pm

“veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans” “veterans”

- yup, Trump wannabes

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:31:30pm

Trump so owns these people

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:32:06pm

Gilmore doing the Carson routine - “remember me”!!

Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:32:16pm

re: #57 Emoprog Refugee

Wait, who is Jim Gilmore?? OMG, I can no longer call myself a political junkie. Sad face.

Governor of Virginia after George Allen and before Mark Warner.

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:32:53pm

re: #66 freetoken

Gilmore doing the Carson routine - “remember me”!!

No.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:33:28pm

re: #67 Timothy Watson

Governor of Virginia after George Allen and before Mark Warner.

Jefferson Davis administration?

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 4:33:34pm

re: #48 retired cynic

Agree. Fiorina did it for me. I’m posting here and watching HGTV. GAH!

Top Chef is on Bravo here! Time to get my hungry ON!

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:33:48pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you think Iran is an Arab country.
— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) January 29, 2016

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:33:50pm

This Fox News babe is spewing very much lies in her “questions”.

Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2016 • 4:34:13pm

re: #36 darthstar

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jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:34:37pm

Carly Fiorina says the same lie about 307,000 veterans dying while waiting for healthcare. It’s still not true. https://t.co/V4LOHHSkOC

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) January 29, 2016

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:35:08pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you leave one of those “Come to Jesus” pamphlets as a tip instead of real money when leaving the restaurant.
— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) January 29, 2016

Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 4:35:10pm

A GOP hill staffer wingnut who apparently knew me by sight at Guilford College is a friend of wingnut tweeter The Mad Jewess.

@MsJoanne @Scottishlizard1 @MadJewessWoman don’t start. I could easily mention #BlackLivesMatter in #BaltimoreRiots. Same thing. Diff. skin

— Ben Af Rothenberg (@RisingRedStorm) January 28, 2016

@MadJewessWoman unfortunately @Scottishlizard1 went 2 my undergrad & its unfortunate he can’t show more class. Prob graduated well b4 me

— Ben Af Rothenberg (@RisingRedStorm) January 28, 2016

Has problems with #blacklivesmatter and doesn’t know how to use pronouns. Typical GOP staffer.

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:35:22pm

Gilmore digging at that media… probably true but sounds paranoid.

FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 4:35:32pm

Former federal prosecutor on the case against the Oregon occupiers: “It’s enough to make a defense attorney weep.” https://t.co/nyVpMGZxvp

— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) January 28, 2016

“…To prosecutors, the virtue of such conspiracy charges are their flexibility: The government need only prove that two or more of the defendants agreed to prevent some federal employee from discharging his or her duty by force, intimidation or threat. Prosecutors don’t have to prove they were successful.

It used to be hard to prove what defendants agreed to do: You had to infer it from their actions, or find a snitch to repeat their conversations, or wiretap them. But this is 2016, and we arrange our affairs in the open. The government’s 31-page affidavit in support of the complaint against the eight occupiers is chock-full of their own words: statements in press interviews, statements in videos posted to YouTube, statements in widely distributed emails. It’s enough to make a defense attorney weep…”

CuriousLurker Jan 28, 2016 • 4:35:40pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good grief! I bet they’ll be glad when everyone goes home and things get back to normal.

Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2016 • 4:36:16pm

re: #5 EPR-radar

My thoughts exactly. This partially compensates for the failure at the Bundy Ranch.

This is Bundy Ranch, page2. Most of the worst clowns from there are being retired here. Eric Parker, the bridge sniper overwatch, is about the only one I’m missing. Rhodes and the other OK/Militia leaders are doing the lord’s work right now, screwing up the patriot movement. Vanderboegh, who dropped in long enough to showboat at the ranch, is dying.

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 4:36:17pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Did she see a video of them lying in a dish, twitching while someone off camera talked about saving their brains?

Alephnaught Jan 28, 2016 • 4:36:21pm

I was at another concert in Celtic Connections tonight. The main act The Poosies were sublime, and the support act Four Winds was also great. Both are the kind of act you imagine doing a great show in the Tiny Desk Concert.

Four Winds https://t.co/0tm40iQf1U pic.twitter.com/t2u2HZcm64

— Michael James (@alephnaught) January 28, 2016

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:36:34pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf this is how you respond to a #YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf tweet. pic.twitter.com/DjTeWCJfKs

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:37:23pm

EMAIL!

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:38:14pm

Out of curiosity, since I stopped torturing myself after the third or fourth GOP debate, have they ever, like once even, had a discussion of policy (other than deportation and bombing, which is kinda policy-super-light)?

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:38:21pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you hate Obamacare but love the Affordable Care Act.
— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) January 29, 2016

The Vicious Babushka Jan 28, 2016 • 4:39:03pm

re: #73 Pawn of the Oppressor

She actually does look like a Disney villainess.

Wow you’re right.

EPR-radar Jan 28, 2016 • 4:39:12pm

re: #30 darthstar

I can’t believe they’re still doing undercard debates. This is just cruel and unusual punishment for the lower tier candidates.

I find I can bear the misfortunes of second-rate GOP candidates with great fortitude.

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 4:39:18pm

re: #33 Barefoot Grin

This is what happens when Cabbage Patch dolls come in contact with water.

Damn it…I just spit out my drink!

Too funny.

Big Beautiful Door Jan 28, 2016 • 4:39:32pm

re: #57 Emoprog Refugee

Wait, who is Jim Gilmore?? OMG, I can no longer call myself a political junkie. Sad face.

Like Big Foot, he had only been previously seen in shaky videos disappearing into deep forest.

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:40:19pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

A rich white guy who hates minorities & women and has no real beliefs outside of personal gain? Trump is the avatar of modern conservatism.
— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) January 29, 2016

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:40:32pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

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All due to Pete Santilli’s wonderful efforts to document every single damned thing.
Thank you Pete!!!

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:40:34pm

Santorum wants to eliminate water regulations….

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:40:38pm

re: #76 Aunty Entity Dragon

A GOP hill staffer wingnut who apparently knew me by sight at Guilford College is a friend of wingnut tweeter The Mad Jewess.

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Has problems with #blacklivesmatter and doesn’t know how to use pronouns. Typical GOP staffer.

I didn’t even want to touch anything surrounding “red anything rising” or a “jewess”. I moved on quickly. They both sound nuts.

TedStriker Jan 28, 2016 • 4:41:41pm

re: #12 Pawn of the Oppressor

Notice they only broke out the dope after the Mormon brain trust got scooped up? (So far as we know). One can surmise that somebody’s had the stuff up there for a while. Unless they bought it local, it is Oregon, after all. We may never know for sure, but there may be FBI surveillance of their weed breaks.

People are strange animals.

“The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!”

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:42:10pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you eat a salad with four sides of ranch, ribeye steak and a baked potato with extra butter but drink a Diet Coke.
— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) January 29, 2016

Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 4:42:52pm

What network is carry the trump event?

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 4:43:09pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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Fierce, Fabulous, Feminist men are the best of all men, to be absolutely totally honest, IMHO.

goddamnedfrank Jan 28, 2016 • 4:43:15pm

That’s awesome, but you’re still voting for ethnic and religious cleansing. https://t.co/z6KCcsmPDE

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 29, 2016

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freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:44:37pm

Who’s the real winner of the #GOPDebate? #tcot

— free token (@freetoken) January 29, 2016

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Big Beautiful Door Jan 28, 2016 • 4:44:44pm

re: #93 freetoken

Santorum wants to eliminate water regulations….

Perhaps he could become Governor of Michigan someday.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Jan 28, 2016 • 4:44:52pm

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Imagine her with big bat wings sticking out of her back, and the screams of the damned coming out when her mouth opens.

It fits

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jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:46:02pm

People applauding about “what Bill Clinton did”, and their frontrunner boasted about sleeping with married women, and divorced two.
— Bijan C. Bayne (@bijancbayne) January 29, 2016

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gwangung Jan 28, 2016 • 4:46:14pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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Another Gamergater winner, eh?

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 4:46:31pm

re: #40 freetoken

Gilmore - expert in the Cold War, 25 years after it’s over.

He’s probably counting on Donald Lump to start it back up.

Just flipped over to catch Carly complaining about Hillary and Bill’s relationship.

God that woman is evil. And I don’t like to make comments about people’s appearance, but damn tonight she looks evil. And now she is back on Planned Parenthood and lying her ass off.

Go away Carly.

Back to sports!

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Skip Intro Jan 28, 2016 • 4:46:43pm

Jefferson Airplane’s Paul Kantner dies at 74.

~~No link yet.~~

sfgate.com

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Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:47:09pm

re: #100 freetoken

SATAN!!!!

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Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:47:46pm

re: #101 Big Beautiful Door

Perhaps he could become Governor of Michigan someday.

BOOM.

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Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:48:09pm

re: #97 Aunty Entity Dragon

CNN.

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jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:48:51pm

@Green_Footballs I have no desire to discuss this further because I know you won’t listen to what I have to say, and I will be bombarded.
— Trumpeting Trump (@trumpemall) January 29, 2016

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you enthusiastically applaud a huge bully but are afraid of being “bombarded” on Twitter

111

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 4:49:09pm

re: #106 Skip Intro

Jefferson Airplane’s Paul Kantner dies at 74.

No link yet.

Man.

112

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 4:49:33pm

re: #51 Billy Batts

MSNBC is showing Trump’s plane landing. Oh, for fuck’s sake…

Let me guess…they are going to cover Donald Lump’s alt gig?

113

EPR-radar Jan 28, 2016 • 4:49:56pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

He’s probably counting on Donald Lump to start it back up.

Just flipped over to catch Carly complaining about Hillary and Bill’s relationship.

God that woman is evil. And I don’t like to make comments about people’s appearance, but damn tonight she looks evil. And now she is back on Planned Parenthood and lying her ass off.

Go away Carly.

Back to sports!

It is amusing to see Carly campaigning on being evil and seeing it fail. IMO her fatal error was not bringing the “Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts” lies into the GOP foreign policy debate.

Only an amateur would think that being on-topic in a debate is more important than telling lies the GOP base wants to hear.

114

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:50:33pm

re: #111 Trump: Free hair gel from me. Come to the beach!

Paul Kantner passes on

115

The Vicious Babushka Jan 28, 2016 • 4:51:22pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Literally, look at all the typos and misspellings.

WHITE PRIVILEGE #WakeupAmerica #tcot #America #2A @untwin34 @PAC43 @iam_wethepeople @2nd_Amendment @gop pic.twitter.com/4I7KDPwqpZ

— Chief Black (@Chieffmo) January 29, 2016

116

Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 28, 2016 • 4:51:25pm

re: #106 Skip Intro

Aw, damn. I was fortunate enough to see him perform both as Starship and during the 1989 Airplane reunion tour.

RIP, Paul.

117

Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:51:45pm

Dear Jeopardy, no one immigrated to Israel in 1936.

118

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:52:30pm

re: #117 Timothy Watson

Dear Jeopardy, no one immigrated to Israel in 1936.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

119

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:53:30pm

I almost switched over to the debate of the damned, but the remote said “Fuck no!” and ran out of the house.

120

Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 4:53:44pm

@trumpemall @Green_Footballs Would U like 8” artillery shells, direct tank fire, B-52 Arc Light, LGM-30 MIRVs or the K-T boundary asteroid?

— Annemarie Dickey (@Scottishlizard1) January 29, 2016

121

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:54:09pm

Turned on the GOP under-card debate just in time to hear Santorum blathering that Obama “personally attacks people” because he’s “mean.”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

122

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:56:08pm

re: #93 freetoken

Santorum wants to eliminate water regulations….

Great timing.

123

TedStriker Jan 28, 2016 • 4:56:21pm

re: #34 majii

Oh, but there seem to be quite a few who are still trying to portray Finicum as a “martyr to the cause,” including Cliven Bundy. These nuts are adamantly refusing to admit that the Malheur terrorists broke several state and federal laws, such is the level of their denial of reality. These out-of-state tools went to Oregon, took over a federal installation, intimidated and threatened local residents, made sure everyone in sight saw that they were heavily armed, closed down a school for several days, caused some federal employees to be unable to report for work, set up their own government and court system, and some far right diehards still think they should escape any/all punishment and get to keep their guns so they can do this all again in some other state/states. SMDH.

Anyone else think the nuts will try to use Finicum’s blue tarp as their “Blutfahne”?

124

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:56:32pm

re: #120 Aunty Entity Dragon

125

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 4:56:49pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fierce, Fabulous, Feminist men are the best of all men, to be absolutely totally honest, IMHO.

That’s what I was thinking.

126

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 4:57:05pm

Jefferson Airplane’s Paul Kantner dies at 74 - SFGate https://t.co/ec4tAfndCF

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

127

Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 4:57:36pm

re: #122 WhatEVs

Great timing.

If lead and bacteria in the water was good enough for the 12th Century, then God says it’s good enough for us right now!

128

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 4:58:14pm

WTF pays Santorum to do this display of idiocy?

129

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:02pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterif You “love the Bible,” except for the hundreds of annoying verses like this… pic.twitter.com/Zj96UpoQMg

— Christian Democrats (@ChristianDems) January 28, 2016

130

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:13pm

A friend of mine got a job selling reverse mortgages and he’s all happy about it. I just can’t bother telling him that he’s going to be ripping off desperate older people.

131

lawhawk Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:25pm

re: #30 darthstar

Just think, in two weeks, we’ll think of these as the halcyon days of the GOP debates. These undercard debates will be fondly remembered as keeping the likes of Fiorina, Huckabee, and Gilmore off the streets for at least a couple of hours.

After Iowa and New Hampshire, we’ll be dealing with the 24/7 Trump show as he steamrolls his way towards a nomination and the media/pundit class are left wondering WTF.

132

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:37pm

Gilmore takes dig at Santorum and Shuckabee, who are planning to go across Iowa to visit Trump.

133

bratwurst Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:37pm

Glad to know I am not the only one completely avoiding the undercard debate tonight. I will never have Carly Fiorina on my TV screen for more than a few moments ever again if I can possibly help it.

Aside from being an awful and unqualified candidate, I think she may be among the lowest quality human beings to seek the the nomination of a major party in recent times…and that is saying something.

134

Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 4:59:47pm

re: #128 nines09

WTF pays Santorum to do this display of idiocy?

Representing the Pat Buchanan/Rod Dreher/Torquemada wing of conservatism.

135

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:00:21pm

re: #133 bratwurst

I find her to be one of the lowest-quality human beings, period.

136

bratwurst Jan 28, 2016 • 5:00:54pm

re: #130 Billy Batts

A friend of mine got a job selling reverse mortgages and he’s all happy about it. I just can’t bother telling him that he’s going to be ripping off desperate older people.

Your friend is the The Fonz?!?!?!

137

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 5:01:19pm

re: #127 Aunty Entity Dragon

If lead and bacteria in the water was good enough for the 12th Century, then God says it’s good enough for us right now!

Probably not much lead, since so little of it was piped anywhere. No, they drew it from streams that their livestock crapped in and near. That’s why you didn’t drink water - that shit would kill you! Small beer, mostly, from what I’ve read.

138

nines09 Jan 28, 2016 • 5:01:21pm

re: #135 Billy Batts

I find her to be one of the lowest-quality human beings, period.

Actually she is the embodiment of the term “Piece of Shit.”

139

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 5:01:26pm

#lieCarly Fiorina might be the best Gish Galloper I’ve seen.
— Grabthar’s Hammer (@eclecticbrotha) January 29, 2016

That’s how she got all that money out of HP.

140

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:01:37pm

Let’s face it, Gilmore is only there because otherwise the stage will look too bare for the show.

141

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:02:35pm

Starting in an hour on C-SPAN:

c-span.org

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Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 5:02:35pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably not much lead, since so little of it was piped anywhere. No, they drew it from streams that their livestock crapped in and near. That’s why you didn’t drink water - that shit would kill you! Small beer, mostly, from what I’ve read.

You still had lead cooking vessels in some instances. Bad stuff.

143

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:02:52pm

If it isn’t too much trouble, would you please go somewhere and fuck yourself? @TheLOTDreport

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

144

FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 5:03:27pm

@jjmacnab @msbellows @FBI pic.twitter.com/mIG3iZRBEA

— Gargoyle (@Patztense) January 29, 2016

145

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:03:28pm

I’ve had root canals that were less unpleasant than this.

146

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 5:03:53pm

re: #142 Aunty Entity Dragon

You still had lead cooking vessels in some instances. Bad stuff.

Good thing they didn’t have tomatoes yet, then!

147

goddamnedfrank Jan 28, 2016 • 5:04:01pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf your prostate affects the tides.

— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) January 29, 2016

148

GlutenFreeJesus Jan 28, 2016 • 5:04:24pm

There’s a debate? I’m catching up on Three’s Company. I hear there’s a misunderstand in this episode.

149

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:05:01pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

*cleans up wine-splattered computer screen*

150

Eventual Carrion Jan 28, 2016 • 5:05:06pm

re: #100 freetoken

[Embedded content]

I hate questions that use radio buttons when checkboxes are what you need.

151

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:05:17pm

Live stream from Drake’s auditorium:

Live Stream: Donald Trump Rival Rally To Benefit Veterans Drake University,Iowa Jan 28th 2016

152

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:05:53pm

re: #51 Billy Batts

MSNBC is showing Trump’s plane landing. Oh, for fuck’s sake…

I watched Rachel last night because she did a townhall in Flint, but I’ve been pretty much over MSNBC and their Comcast-inspired Trump Mania. And then when I saw that Tweetie had Ann Fucking Coulter on his show, I totally threw in the towel. Having Republicans on is one thing, but giving a platform to that harpie, who brings nothing to the party, was just a bridge too far.

I’ll still occasionally watch Rachel, but that’s it. I’ve officially given up TV/cable news. (Gave up on CNN when they hired Erick son of Erick back when.)

153

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 5:05:55pm

People have already donated money to the Trump “vet” fund, aka, his Foundation. He will reveal later how $ will be divvied up. LOL.
— Sarah Reese Jones (@srjones66) January 29, 2016

154

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:07:11pm

re: #152 BeachDem

Rachel’s investigating/reporting of Flint should earn her a Pulitzer.

155

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:07:20pm

better stream:

Donald Trump LIVE Holds Special Event for Veterans in Des Moines, IA (1-28-16)

156

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 5:08:10pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

“I know I’m getting old now I have to get up a couple times a night to pee!”

“At least you get up!”

157

Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2016 • 5:08:33pm

re: #123 TedStriker

Anyone else think the nuts will try to use Finicum’s blue tarp as their “Blutfahne”?

If he were Catholic, the pope could make him the patron saint of polypropylene.

158

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:08:39pm

re: #153 jaunte

I heard today that Wounded Warriors uses 40% of the money it receives to cover overhead but the federal government only uses 2%. But government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem. Or something.

159

EPR-radar Jan 28, 2016 • 5:08:40pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

That might explain why the Trumpists are so angry all the time.

160

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 5:08:48pm

re: #153 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“Trust me!”

161

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:09:13pm

re: #152 BeachDem

Yup, Comcast wants to compete with Murdoch, so I expect them to continue to offer bleed-over programming.

162

b_sharp Jan 28, 2016 • 5:10:17pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Hey!

163

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:11:06pm

@TPM Says the woman who had an affair (while married) with a married man.
— Archivist1000 (@Archivist1000) January 29, 2016

164

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:11:08pm

My Cox cable is giving out on me… always during prime time.

165

Blind Frog Belly White Jan 28, 2016 • 5:11:26pm

I saw this on Twitter:

Our federal government just played judge, jury, and executioner

Yeah, those are some of the things we all got together and empowered the government to do.

166

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:12:01pm

@TPM @Fiorina wd dump hubby? Lady Astor: if you were my husband I’d put poison in your tea. Churchill: If I were your husband I’d drink it.
— J.J. Goldberg (@jj_goldberg) January 29, 2016

167

Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2016 • 5:12:27pm

re: #163 Billy Batts

Says the woman who had an affair (while married) with a married man.

No, she means “balance the budget”.

168

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 5:12:57pm

re: #166 Billy Batts

Florina: “If my husband did what Bill Clinton did, I would have left him”

I thought she ate him after they mated.

169

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:13:16pm

That live stream is playing some New York values music, I think…

170

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:13:45pm

re: #152 BeachDem

I watched Rachel last night because she did a townhall in Flint, but I’ve been pretty much over MSNBC and their Comcast-inspired Trump Mania. And then when I saw that Tweetie had Ann Fucking Coulter on his show, I totally threw in the towel. Having Republicans on is one thing, but giving a platform to that harpie, who brings nothing to the party, was just a bridge too far.

I’ll still occasionally watch Rachel, but that’s it. I’ve officially given up TV/cable news. (Gave up on CNN when they hired Erick son of Erick back when.)

I’m in the last stages of denial…but by the end of the preliminary elections I’ll be down to just Rachel. I’m all Todded out. Tweety sucks. No Joe. No need to watch the mid-days. We’ll see if Chris Hayes can maintain a bit and sometimes Lawrence is okay, but I bet they run him out.

Yeah…Comcast has made big changes. TV media is in a world of hurt. Actually in many ways traditional TV is in a world of hurt.

171

Thanos Jan 28, 2016 • 5:14:25pm

Apocalypse Now Intro (The Doors - The End)

172

Thanos Jan 28, 2016 • 5:14:51pm

Malheur… shit … still in Malheur.

173

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:15:50pm

samadhi5 FIRST LIGHT JAZZ, THEN DRINK THE BLOOD OF OUR ENEMIES

youtube.com

174

Billy Batts Jan 28, 2016 • 5:16:30pm

@CarlyFiorina Isn’t he the guy you cheated on your husband with? #FamilyValues

— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) January 29, 2016

175

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:18:48pm

Existential crisis of the night: Do I watch the Trump event, or the Ailes event?

176

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:19:21pm

Right now, Trump has better music.

177

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:19:56pm

APPRENTICE FINALIST!!

178

Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2016 • 5:20:10pm

re: #175 freetoken

Existential crisis of the night: Do I watch the Trump event, or the Ailes event?

You could give yourself a break and change the beeswax seal on your toilet.

179

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 5:20:32pm

re: #114 nines09

Paul Kantner passes on

My old original ipod is crying.

180

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:20:52pm

re: #175 freetoken

Existential crisis of the night: Do I watch the Trump event, or the Ailes event?

There is a third option.

: )

181

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:21:13pm

“Let us pray…”

Oh Loki, what have you done now??

182

TedStriker Jan 28, 2016 • 5:22:00pm

re: #96 Billy Batts

Hey, That’s me, but I’m no Trump voter…I drink diet sodas (actually, Coke Zero is my preference; Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi has never tasted right for me, but I’ll drink it in a pinch) because most sugared sodas taste like ass to me nowadays.

183

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:22:07pm

re: #180 ObserverArt

There is a third option.

: )

Youporn?

184

jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 5:22:53pm

He’s selling the American dream,” says Bob Woodward about Donald Trump. “You’re gonna feel good.” pic.twitter.com/7RWRIDcLzd

— Tara McKelvey (@Tara_Mckelvey) January 29, 2016

You’re gonna feel so good your heads will spin.

185

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:23:13pm

#YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you feel angry, lost and confused by a world that’s moving on without you.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

186

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 5:23:55pm

re: #182 TedStriker

Hey, That’s me, but I’m no Trump voter…I drink diet sodas (actually, Coke Zero is my preference; Diet Coke has never tasted right for me, but I’ll drink it in a pinch) because most sugared sodas taste like ass to me nowadays.

Diet Pepsi here. Love, love, love the stuff.

187

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:23:58pm

This is going to be a very military event… I should have known.

188

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:24:09pm

At least she can sing.

189

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:24:24pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Just think, in two weeks, we’ll think of these as the halcyon days of the GOP debates. These undercard debates will be fondly remembered as keeping the likes of Fiorina, Huckabee, and Gilmore off the streets for at least a couple of hours.

After Iowa and New Hampshire, we’ll be dealing with the 24/7 Trump show as he steamrolls his way towards a nomination and the media/pundit class ~~are left wondering WTF.~~follow his every move, word and belch—follow, as lemmings, off the cliff of insanity that is Trump.

FIFY

190

Decatur Deb Jan 28, 2016 • 5:24:28pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

YouMightBeATrumpVoterIf you feel angry, lost and confused by a world that’s moving on without you.

Wrong. Still working for Hillary.

191

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:25:05pm

re: #183 freetoken

Youporn?

Damn, you got me. That’s 3rd and not watching the politics is 4th.

I’m watching OSU Buckeye women’s basketball right now. Close game against Northwestern. The men are up at 9:00 PM Eastern.

192

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 5:25:29pm

re: #183 freetoken

Youporn?

Over Fiorina, absolutely. Or a regular Friday night. (J/k)

193

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 5:25:47pm

re: #151 freetoken

Live stream from Drake’s auditorium:

[Embedded content]

We appreciate your reporting. Yes we do.

But haaaaaaaaal no.

194

lawhawk Jan 28, 2016 • 5:25:55pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Trump’s full insult list https://t.co/szcBVFZwTF w/ @megynkelly @JebBush @tedcruz @errollouis @CharlesMBlow @secupp pic.twitter.com/RUtUNcLt2q

— Mark Elliott (@markmobility) January 29, 2016

#YouMightBeATrumpVoter if you think any of this is presidential behavior.

195

retired cynic Jan 28, 2016 • 5:26:11pm

re: #189 BeachDem

Bonus point for Cliffs of Insanity!

196

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 5:26:19pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

at the REUFGE!!!!

jeebus, they can even be bothered to spellcheck, much less proofread.

197

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:26:57pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

Damn, you got me. That’s 3rd and not watching the politics is 4th.

I’m watching OSU Buckeye women’s basketball right now. Close game against Northwestern. The men are up at 9:00 PM Eastern.

I realize it’s somewhat anathema, but even for a political blog I don’t necessarily think a play by play commentary of every speech Trump gives is necessary.

But that’s just me, and so I merely go off and work on the stuff I’m supposed to be doing anyway.

198

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:28:10pm

The way this disciple of Trump just described his kids, and the aspiration that her kids be like them, could have been taken straight out of The Man In The High Castle.

199

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:28:21pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

It’s kind of amazing (not really amazing, but stupid) how many of the heartfelt tributes to Lavoy manage to misspell his name.

200

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:29:26pm

“Mr. Trump - put your faith in him… my life has never been the same since meeting him..”

201

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 5:29:40pm

re: #184 jaunte

[Embedded content]

You’re gonna feel so good your heads will spin.

Bob’s fucking senile.

202

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:30:23pm

Oh dear… it’s those two again…

203

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:30:27pm

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I realize it’s somewhat anathema, but even for a political blog I don’t necessarily think a play by play commentary of every speech Trump gives is necessary.

But that’s just me, and so I merely go off and work on the stuff I’m supposed to be doing anyway.

Klys…don’t know if you caught it, but I responded to the comment about the hockey player being named to the All-Star game and then getting traded/demoted.

That was a great but sad story.

204

PeterWolf Jan 28, 2016 • 5:30:50pm

oregonlive.com

Oregon Presser, Live Feed

205

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:32:16pm

re: #154 Billy Batts

Rachel’s investigating/reporting of Flint should earn her a Pulitzer.

She’s had her eye on Michigan since the Benton Harbor mess a few years ago. Funny story—I met Debbie Stabenow about two years ago and said, “I have to ask you one question. How could the same people who elected you vote for Rick Snyder?” She kind of shook her head and said, “I can’t figure it out either.”

206

klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:32:22pm

re: #203 ObserverArt

Klys…don’t know if you caught it, but I responded to the comment about the Hockey player being named to the All-Star game and then getting traded/demoted.

That was great but sad story.

Oh, I saw. It has a good ending in that he’s playing in the game this weekend, but he’s probably done in the NHL. That’s not necessarily a huge change from where things stood for him at the beginning of the season though - it was a little bit of a surprise that he got the contract with Arizona this year. (Arizona is currently on my shit list because of that trade.)

I responded downstairs too, about some of the CBJ stuff. :)

207

Charles Johnson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:34:04pm

Really sad to say goodbye to Paul Kantner, but we’ve all gotta go some time. He made a lot of great music, and that’s no small thing.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 29, 2016

208

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:35:04pm

re: #161 freetoken

Yup, Comcast wants to compete with Murdoch, so I expect them to continue to offer bleed-over programming.

They’ll be doing it without me. (I know—they’re crying in their beer about that.)

Well, time to heat up dinner and watch “Top Chef.” Zero interests in the freaks at the debate or the carnival barker on the other side of the state. Later all.

209

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:35:49pm

Trump’s warm up acts are better than Ailes’.

210

FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 5:36:04pm

BREAKING: Presser hasn’t started but @KOINNews has learned police will show video of deceased person reaching for waistband #Oregonstandoff

— Andrew Dymburt (@DymburtNews) January 29, 2016

211

The Vicious Babushka Jan 28, 2016 • 5:36:34pm

re: #205 BeachDem

She’s had her eye on Michigan since the Benton Harbor mess a few years ago. Funny story—I met Debbie Stabenow about two years ago and said, “I have to ask you one question. How could the same people who elected you vote for Rick Snyder?” She kind of shook her head and said, “I can’t figure it out either.”

In the last election Michigan elected a Democrat senator (Gary Peters) and a Democrat congress rep (Brenda Lawrence) who received virtually no national media coverage.

212

Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 5:37:06pm

We’ve also got a livestream of meeting ready to go. Watch: https://t.co/0qqAvsmkku #Oregonstandoff

— Kelly House (@Kelly_M_House) January 29, 2016

213

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:37:37pm

Close race:

Who’s the real winner of the #GOPDebate? #tcot

— free token (@freetoken) January 29, 2016

214

Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:39:28pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

Uh, what?

215

BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:39:47pm

re: #184 jaunte

[Embedded content]

You’re gonna feel so good your heads will spin.

If that’s the American Dream he’s selling, may I never go to sleep again for fear of it.

216

WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 5:39:55pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

Doesn’t matter. The nutters will say it’s doctored, isn’t what they see or it was shot in the moon and couldn’t be OR. They have their mythology and nothing will change that.

217

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:40:23pm

… lost Trump video stream…

218

bratwurst Jan 28, 2016 • 5:40:30pm

My Uber driver in Des Moines tonight says he’ll probably caucus for Trump, but worries he might also be the anti-Christ. #IowaCaucus

— Mike Warren (@MichaelRWarren) January 29, 2016

219

freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:40:51pm

CSPAN will pick it up at the top of the hour

220

Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 5:41:26pm

re: #208 BeachDem

They’ll be doing it without me. (I know—they’re crying in their beer about that.)

Well, time to heat up dinner and watch “Top Chef.” Zero interests in the freaks at the debate or the carnival barker on the other side of the state. Later all.

I’m watching all the re-runs up to the real deal. And of course creating something yum for dinner because Top Chef never fails to make me starving.

221

ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:41:31pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

That is interesting. Everyone was speculating it would be some time before we got to see any video.

And it will be very interesting to see how this plays out when held up against some of the police shootings (Brown, Rice, Scott, etc.) and how conservatives handle evidence, witnesses, etc. Very interesting indeed.

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Great White Snark Jan 28, 2016 • 5:41:43pm

So for work I have been researching the US jewelry market. Many hours, spent a couple grand on lists. But looking to share the data with you guys here as interesting by way of our changing economy. At it’s recent height the jewelry biz here was about 30,000 to 40,000 locations, depending on how fine a point to put on it. 40,000 counts those kiosks with inexpensive stuff. So say 30,000 or so. At the same time about 4000 to 6000 locations were making or fixing jewelry like gold and platinum. Maybe just a fixit goldsmith maybe a small shop, maybe a big shop, hundreds of employees.

Now the retail is 13,900. Kiosks would add a few thousand makers and designer and repair people still stand at 4000-6000. I’m here to tell you that is custom work and CAD tech saving an American small mfg sector and maybe my job. Jewelers Board of trade data as correlated with more confidential data from operating companies and some hours with my friend Google.

This additive printing thing is just exploding in our biz. Cost went from a hundred grand to about ten grand including a few thousand for a very powerful PC. Now a retailer without a shop at all can design with his customer, send off the file, get a resin model back for customer final OK and then we adjust a bit maybe, print a resin model, cast in finger size, finish, set and ship. In a week. Literally seamless bridal rings.

Changes are now. And tomorrow. And the next. ~~But~~ American artisans are coming back.

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:42:15pm

re: #214 Timothy Watson

Never mind, realize what the tweet was saying, I was confused as to how a deceased person was reaching for waistband.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 5:42:50pm

#breakingnews What we will see @fbi press conference any moment about #oregonmilita shooting https://t.co/7Z9Hgb2zit pic.twitter.com/GIx73uG7LQ

— Dan Tilkin (@DanTilkinKOIN6) January 29, 2016

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:43:18pm

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I realize it’s somewhat anathema, but even for a political blog I don’t necessarily think a play by play commentary of every speech Trump gives is necessary.

But that’s just me, and so I merely go off and work on the stuff I’m supposed to be doing anyway.

I’m right there with ya, klys (even if you have that garlic obsession!)

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WhatEVs Jan 28, 2016 • 5:44:19pm

re: #217 freetoken

… lost Trump video stream…

There is a god!

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:44:39pm

re: #225 BeachDem

I’m right there with ya, klys (even if you have that garlic obsession!)

Last night’s dinner totally would not have worked for you. :)

Tonight is another of the frozen diet meals. Which I would be grumpy about but they’re working. If I can keep up the current pace, I’ll match my wedding weight in the next month or so.

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freetoken Jan 28, 2016 • 5:44:44pm

re: #222 Great White Snark

I’m not sure Trump would approve. You are shipping American jobs overseas, no? You shall be taxed!

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Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 5:44:58pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

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Still looks like the four losers are still swilling beer inside the refuge.

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Mattand Jan 28, 2016 • 5:45:05pm

re: #152 BeachDem

…And then when I saw that Tweetie had Ann Fucking Coulter on his show, I totally threw in the towel. Having Republicans on is one thing, but giving a platform to that harpie, who brings nothing to the party, was just a bridge too far.

Here’s what kind of raging nitwit Chris Matthews is: he’s a guy whose interviewing style is to constantly interrupt the guest every 15 seconds; but his closing segment is titled “Let Me Finish”, as if he never, ever gets a word in edgewise.

The Reagan worship doesn’t help, either.

Or bringing on Ann Coulter.

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:45:34pm

re: #223 Timothy Watson

Never mind, realize what the tweet was saying, I was confused as to how a deceased person was reaching for waistband.

Tortured writing. And it is not like he couldn’t have used LaVoy’s name. It’s already been in the media.

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Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 5:45:51pm

re: #228 freetoken

I’m not sure Trump would approve. You are shipping American jobs overseas, no? You shall be taxed!

I can at least say it would be refreshing to see a GOP candidate who had not signed that fucking pledge to Grover Norquist.

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jaunte Jan 28, 2016 • 5:46:38pm

Anderson Cooper waxing on about how Trump is so accessible. In his plane. In interviews. Where he dodges questions.
— Sarah Reese Jones (@srjones66) January 29, 2016

Our news celebs are totally addled by Trump.

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Aunty Entity Dragon Jan 28, 2016 • 5:46:41pm

re: #230 Mattand

Here’s what kind of raging nitwit Chris Matthews is: he’s a guy whose interviewing style is to constantly interpret the guest every 15 seconds; but his closing segment is titled “Let Me Finish”, as if he never, ever gets a word in edgewise.

The Reagan worship doesn’t help, either.

Or bringing on Ann Coulter.

Matthews has good moments…but the bad moments keep cropping up.

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Stanley Sea Jan 28, 2016 • 5:46:49pm

Hee Haw!

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:47:31pm

re: #211 The Vicious Babushka

In the last election Michigan elected a Democrat senator (Gary Peters) and a Democrat congress rep (Brenda Lawrence) who received virtually no national media coverage.

I just don’t understand the whole Snyder thing. Michiganders are smart (at least the ones I know and work with) and it’s incredible to me that they got snowed by him not once, but twice.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 5:47:48pm

Of course this will not be accepted by the legion of wackos
the Feds MURDERED Finicum

BREAKING: CBS News tells KOIN 6 that it was at least 1 OSP trooper who shot LaVoy Finicum. https://t.co/mGwM9ptzyD #KOIN6News

— Brent Weisberg (@BrentKOIN) January 29, 2016

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Timothy Watson Jan 28, 2016 • 5:49:03pm

re: #237 FormerDirtDart

Of course this will not be accepted by the legion of wackos
the Feds MURDERED Finicum

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The wingnut opinion of State Police probably isn’t much better than the FBI.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:49:41pm

Watching the press conference. They’re saying they believe there are 4 people still on the refuge, and the situation on the refuge isn’t over.

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The Vicious Babushka Jan 28, 2016 • 5:50:36pm

re: #236 BeachDem

I just don’t understand the whole Snyder thing. Michiganders are smart (at least the ones I know and work with) and it’s incredible to me that they got snowed by him not once, but twice.

There was a lot of anger at Jennifer Grantholm’s incompetence.

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Lidane Jan 28, 2016 • 5:50:46pm

Hola Lizards! It’s another night of watching the GOP clown show. At least I’m getting paid for this.

A few kiddie table observations before the main debate starts:

1. Holy shit. Jim Gilmore actually exists! I thought he was imaginary, like Ted Cruz’s conscience or Rand Paul’s principles.

2. Did I actually hear Carly Fiorina extol the virtues of Zero Based Budgeting? That ALONE should disqualify her from ever running a Fortune 500 company again, never mind serving in a government role. This also explains how she ran HP into the fucking ground.

3. Santorum and Huckabee are horrible people. Just the worst. I get irrationally angry listening to them talk.

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PhillyPretzel Jan 28, 2016 • 5:51:20pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Please pardon the pun: It ain’t over until it is over. /half

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:51:49pm

They’re releasing what they can to try and combat the false narratives out there.

The video being shown is from a plane they (the FBI) had going overhead.

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:52:07pm

re: #220 Trump: Free hair gel from me. Come to the beach!

I’m watching all the re-runs up to the real deal. And of course creating something yum for dinner because Top Chef never fails to make me starving.

I’ve been keeping up pretty well, but I’m with you—always hungry when I watch. My campaign kid said that from now on, whenever she sees a cooking show, she’ll always think of me! (I watch a lot of Food Network too). I have noticed that the more cooking shows I watch, the worse my personal cooking skills become. Figure if I do a cooking show binge marathon, I’ll be reduced to making pb&j sandwiches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 5:52:18pm

video of the Finicum shooting is from a plane

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The Vicious Babushka Jan 28, 2016 • 5:53:02pm

re: #241 Lidane

Hola Lizards! It’s another night of watching the GOP clown show. At least I’m getting paid for this.

A few kiddie table observations before the main debate starts:

1. Holy shit. Jim Gilmore actually exists! I thought he was imaginary, like Ted Cruz’s conscience or Rand Paul’s principles.

2. Did I actually hear Carly Fiorina extol the virtues of Zero Based Budgeting? That ALONE should disqualify her from ever running a Fortune 500 company again, never mind serving in a government role. This also explains how she ran HP into the fucking ground.

3. Santorum and Huckabee are horrible people. Just the worst. I get irrationally angry listening to them talk.

Zero Based Budgeting? That term sounds familiar and I was sure I heard it before but couldn’t remember where or when.

Oh yes here it is.

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 5:53:12pm

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They’re releasing what they can to try and combat the false narratives out there.

The video being shown is from a plane they (the FBI) had going overhead.

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

video of the Finicum shooting is from a plane

Is it very clear/convincing?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:53:21pm

The video does show the shooting death.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 5:54:21pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

Is it very clear/convincing?

They just started it.

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis Jan 28, 2016 • 5:54:29pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, the besiegers have won a single small victory.

I’ve completely run out of grade-A snark to throw at them. I’m trying to make “Forlorn Dopes” work, but it doesn’t feel sound.

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goddamnedfrank Jan 28, 2016 • 5:54:53pm

FBI: “Finicum reaches his right hand toward a pocket …. He did have a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket.”

— Les Zaitz (@LesZaitz) January 29, 2016

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BeachDem Jan 28, 2016 • 5:57:41pm

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

There was a lot of anger at Jennifer Grantholm’s incompetence.

But didn’t Snyder’s first term convince them that he was not the answer?

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PhillyPretzel Jan 28, 2016 • 5:57:54pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

A 9mm semi-auto. How effeminate. I expected something bigger. //

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 28, 2016 • 5:58:58pm

re: #179 SS. Trump = that splat on your window

I still have Airplane and Starship vinyl.

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Great White Snark Jan 28, 2016 • 6:00:07pm

re: #228 freetoken

I’m not sure Trump would approve. You are shipping American jobs overseas, no? You shall be taxed!

Anything I can do to annoy that bankrupt bigot is a plus for me but every part of the process I described happens here.

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PhillyPretzel Jan 28, 2016 • 6:01:07pm

re: #255 Great White Snark

That is good news and I hope it continues. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:04:08pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

Is it very clear/convincing?

Finicum’s actions from the stop (with him behind the wheel of the truck) up to the shooting are very problematic for those who want to make him a martyr.

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FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 6:04:17pm

it’s clear that what @votefiore told @OPB — that Ammon Bundy saw Finicum get shot while he was laying on the ground, is incorrect.
— John Sepulvado (@JohnLGC) January 29, 2016

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 28, 2016 • 6:05:10pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

I was fortunate to have had a 3rd row seat at Pine Knob during the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour in 1989. I caught a panda bear the Grace Slick was throwing out into the audeince (it was the name of the final track on the reunion tour album.)

I still have it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:05:46pm

That’s LaVoys truck

— John Sepulvado (@JohnLGC) January 29, 2016

wow. LaVoy looked like he was reaching for something.

— John Sepulvado (@JohnLGC) January 29, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:06:41pm

FBI SAC Greg Bretzing: “Single digit” number of shots fired.

— Les Zaitz (@LesZaitz) January 29, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 6:07:04pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Finicum’s actions from the stop (with him behind the wheel of the truck) up to the shooting are very problematic for those who want to make him a martyr.

The part where he doesn’t slow down for the roadblock is not helpful.

His hands were up when he exited the vehicle, but then he reached for the jacket pocket, which you can see him moving in a way that would be consistent with that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:07:06pm

Loaded weapons inside truck. “They included two loaded .223 caliber semi-automatic rifles. There was also one loaded .38 special revolver.”

— Les Zaitz (@LesZaitz) January 29, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Jan 28, 2016 • 6:08:04pm

Here’s the complete FBI video of LaVoy Finicum’s shooting by law enforcement in Oregon. https://t.co/1YsQgDUtpx

— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) January 29, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 6:08:49pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

Again, it does show the shooting death.

For those who want to know.

I would not call it graphic.

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis Jan 28, 2016 • 6:08:55pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Finicum’s actions from the stop (with him behind the wheel of the truck) up to the shooting are very problematic for those who want to make him a martyr.

They will power through, I suspect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:09:59pm

re: #265 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Again, it does show the shooting death.

For those who want to know.

I would not call it graphic.

It’s not graphic.
It does show that Fiore and the other apologist conspiracy eejits are full of shit.

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Barefoot Grin Jan 28, 2016 • 6:10:16pm

re: #222 Great White Snark

So for work I have been researching the US jewelry market. Many hours, spent a couple grand on lists. But looking to share the data with you guys here as interesting by way of our changing economy. At it’s recent height the jewelry biz here was about 30,000 to 40,000 locations, depending on how fine a point to put on it. 40,000 counts those kiosks with inexpensive stuff. So say 30,000 or so. At the same time about 4000 to 6000 locations were making or fixing jewelry like gold and platinum. Maybe just a fixit goldsmith maybe a small shop, maybe a big shop, hundreds of employees.

Now the retail is 13,900. Kiosks would add a few thousand makers and designer and repair people still stand at 4000-6000. I’m here to tell you that is custom work and CAD tech saving an American small mfg sector and maybe my job. Jewelers Board of trade data as correlated with more confidential data from operating companies and some hours with my friend Google.

This additive printing thing is just exploding in our biz. Cost went from a hundred grand to about ten grand including a few thousand for a very powerful PC. Now a retailer without a shop at all can design with his customer, send off the file, get a resin model back for customer final OK and then we adjust a bit maybe, print a resin model, cast in finger size, finish, set and ship. In a week. Literally seamless bridal rings.

Changes are now. And tomorrow. And the next. ~~But~~ American artisans are coming back.

Interesting. Thing about this on NPR this morning highlighting a stand-up desk maker. The only hitch right now is that the local woodshops don’t have the best tech to take advantage and still want print out instructions. But it will change.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jan 28, 2016 • 6:13:59pm

Finicum sitting literally in the middle of the fucking road for almost four minutes and then suddenly speeding off.
good freaking grief.

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Feline Fearless Leader Jan 28, 2016 • 6:15:28pm

re: #171 Thanos

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Video

That’s still one of my top 2 or 3 theatre experiences. Can recall sitting there in a place in Potsdam, NY with my brother and some friends while I heard that song for the first time and the imagery of the jungle and then the explosions.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jan 28, 2016 • 6:15:39pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

Timestamp of the shooting?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 6:18:04pm

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

Timestamp of the shooting?

It’s blacked out on the video, but presumably they know.

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PeterWolf Jan 28, 2016 • 6:18:11pm

He did exit the vehicle with his hands up, but then he did indeed go for his pocket. In which is alleged he had a handgun. Considering the rhetoric of these people, and the intelligence that these people were armed, and the threats and so on, that person sealed his own fate when he dropped his hands and went for his weapon (allegedly).

Oh I hope that Fiore or whatever Ms Boobs and Guns name is becomes the subject of public mockery as she should be.

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ObserverArt Jan 28, 2016 • 6:18:32pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Finicum’s actions from the stop (with him behind the wheel of the truck) up to the shooting are very problematic for those who want to make him a martyr.

Thanks for that Sleuth.

Thanks to klys and other too for all the Oregon news updates.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 6:19:22pm

re: #273 PeterWolf

He did exit the vehicle with his hands up, but then he did indeed go for his pocket. In which is alleged he had a handgun. Considering the rhetoric of these people, and the intelligence that these people were armed, and the threats and so on, that person sealed his own fate when he dropped his hands and went for his weapon (allegedly).

Oh I hope that Fiore or whatever Ms Boobs and Guns name is becomes the subject of public mockery as she should be.

They said in the press conference that he was yelling when he exited the vehicle, but what he said was not released.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Jan 28, 2016 • 6:20:27pm

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

Approx 9:25 on the Youtube video is when the action starts when he runs off the road and exist the vehicle.

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PeterWolf Jan 28, 2016 • 6:20:51pm

re: #275 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And if what he was yelling was anything like the insane rhetoric we’ve been hearing on the live feeds from the refuge, it’s not hard to understand that it was probably inflammatory.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Jan 28, 2016 • 6:21:10pm

re: #276 Eric The Fruit Bat