Unedited Helicopter Video of FBI Shootout With Oregon Militant

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This helicopter surveillance video corroborates the account of the driver of Ammon Bundy on the shooting of militant LaVoy Finicum in almost every detail.

This is the complete video footage of a joint FBI and Oregon State Police traffic stop and OSP officer-involved shooting of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. This footage, which has only been edited to blur out aircraft information, was taken by the FBI on 01/26/2016 and released by the FBI on 01/28/2016. Note regarding date/time stamp in the left corner of video: Pilots use Zulu Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), when they fly. Zulu time is eight hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST). Therefore, although this footage was taken on January 26, 2016 in Oregon, the date/time stamp on the video shows just after midnight January 27, 2016.

More at: https://www.fbi.gov/portland/press-releases/2016/remarks-by-sac-greg-bretzing-at-a-press-conference-to-address-the-ongoing-situation-at-the-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:02:36am

Zulu time is eight hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST). Therefore, although this footage was taken on January 26, 2016 in Oregon, the date/time stamp on the video shows just after midnight January 27, 2016.

PROOF OF GUMMINT TAMPERING!!!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:03:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:04:27am

Not gonna spend 26 minutes following the demise of that fellow…where are the decisive parts?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:07:20am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not gonna spend 26 minutes following the demise of that fellow…where are the decisive parts?

He evades police at around 8:20 and about 30 seconds later he tries to ram law enforcement and then gets gunned down.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:11:25am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

From about 9:00 on - when he comes upon the roadblock, runs off the road - appears to hit at least one officer with his vehicle, and then gets out of the truck to be confronted by cops converging from at least two directions (the tree line and the road).

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:12:05am

Reposted from below:

The same folks who see no problem with cops gunning down Michael Brown or any number of other unarmed young black men (or women) who did absolutely nothing to warrant police action in the first place other than walking/playing/talking/living while Black, suddenly think that a Bundy militia domestic terrorist had their hands up and wasn’t going for a gun in his jacket pocket?

The FBI/OSP knew who they were coming up against. They had all kinds of evidence against all those in that convoy coming out of the refuge. They knew that this one was angling for suicide by cop, and had indicated as much in public statements. He wanted a confrontation, and even attacked law enforcement by striking one with his vehicle. He ran a roadblock.

Cops used an appropriate level of force considering the situation and the remaining suspects were arrested without any use of deadly force.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:12:42am

In summary: an armed criminal is pulled over by law enforcement, then evades said law enforcement. He drives up the road where a roadblock is set. Rather than stopping at the roadblock, the armed and now dangerous criminal tries to drive around at high speed and almost runs over a law enforcement official. Rather than awaiting instructions, the the armed and dangerous criminal jumps out of the truck and then TWICE reaches down to his pocket, where a pistol was located, and law enforcement have no other option but to shoot the armed and dangerous criminal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:14:05am

re: #6 lawhawk

Cops used an appropriate level of force considering the situation and the remaining suspects were arrested without any use of deadly force.

Nonetheless, it is now a Wingnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood and is now a Holy Martyr to the Cause of Constitutional Resistance.

As for the video? It was faked/staged/altered, etc…

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:15:00am

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nonetheless, it is now a Wingnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood and is now a Holy Martyr to the Cause of Constitutional Resistance.

As for the video? It was faked/staged/altered, etc…

By the time they get through he will have been nuked.

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darthstar  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:16:02am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not gonna spend 26 minutes following the demise of that fellow…where are the decisive parts?

I don’t do death porn myself. I haven’t watched it either but assume he dies in the end.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:16:36am

At 8:16 mark he takes off, drives up the road until he gets to the roadblock at about 9:15 mark, tries to drive around the roadblock almost running down an officer. He gets out of the vehicle with his arms spread out, not up, likely to keep his balance on a steep, slippery snowbank. As soon as he gets secure footing the hands come down and he reaches for his gun at about 9:30 mark.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:17:08am

Or the twitter summary:

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:17:13am

re: #10 darthstar

I don’t do death porn myself. I haven’t watched it either but assume he dies in the end.

yeah, me either.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:18:29am

All gun nutz know what it means to reach for your waistband. They know how law enforcement will react.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:20:31am

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:24:04am

I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!! U LIBTARDS A LYING!!!!!!!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:26:38am

I’ll bet he was reaching for a bag of skittles.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:26:41am

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!! U LIBTARDS A LYING!!!!!!!

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nines09  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:30:20am
This morning at the RNC Headquarters
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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:31:25am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:31:40am

re: #19 nines09

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The “holy rollers” Palin spoke of?

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JP Chgo  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:31:47am

Deleted. Duplicate of #11 above

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nines09  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:32:33am

re: #21 Timothy Watson

The “holy rollers” Palin spoke of?

THE brain trust.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:34:04am

re: #8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nonetheless, it is now a Wingnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood and is now a Holy Martyr to the Cause of Constitutional Resistance.

As for the video? It was faked/staged/altered, etc…

Also why don’t Black people just obey the law and obey the authorities and the cops and stop trying to overthrow are American way of life and rule of law?

////

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darthstar  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:34:57am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:37:15am

We’re three days away from Donald Trump winning the Iowa caucuses. Or Cruz winning them. Either way, it’ll prove Rubio is surging. /

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Jayleia  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:39:47am

re: #26 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Either way, it’ll prove Rubio is surging.

THE ROUNDING ERRORS ARE SURGING!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:40:16am
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Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:43:14am

Well this is unusual… Forecasts and weather models have really gotten much better. But not this weekend something has the models a bit confused. LA area lizards take note. El Nino.

IT IS STILL A VERY DIFFICULT AND FAIRLY LOW CONFIDENCE FORECAST FROM SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT. THE GFS…WHICH HAD BEEN VERY CONSISTENT…REALLY RAMPED UP PRECIP ON ITS 18Z RUN…THEN THE 00Z RUN BACKED OF SHARPLY. AT THE SAME TIME…THE 00Z WRF INCREASED PRECIP TOTALS IN MOST AREAS. THE 06Z RUN HAS THROWN ANOTHER WRENCH
INTO THE FORECAST. THE GFS IS NOW BACK TO A WETTER (THOUGH NOT AS WET) SOLUTION…AND THE WRF CONTINUES TO INCREASE RAINFALL TOTALS.
HOWEVER…IT IS AT LEAST 6 TO 9 HOURS SLOWER WITH THE ONSET OF MAIN PRECIP THAN ITS PREVIOUS RUNS. THE LATEST RUN OF THE GFS IS ALSO A BIT SLOWER. WITH INCREASINGLY DEEP LOW LEVEL MOISTURE AND LIFT AND
SOME WARM ADVECTION…STILL THINK THERE IS A FAIRLY DECENT CHANCE OF SOME RAIN SAT NIGHT…

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:43:47am

Reach for gun #1 at 9:29, reach for gun #2 at 9:32, shot at 9:33.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:47:20am

Trump to tout this fact in 3…2…1…

Of course he will. Trump trumps all Trump talk with more Trump. His skipping the debate is proof that Trump trumps rest of field.

I’m Trump, and I Trump this message.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:49:51am
If Zika is the causative agent behind the surge in microcephaly—and possibly also Guillain-Barré syndrome, an autoimmune disease of the nervous system now on the rise among adults in Brazil—this may demonstrate that the virus has adapted to the human environment and may have mutated to become more pathogenic to humans. A correlation between Zika and these conditions has not been confirmed, but previous studies have shown that it can be passed from mothers to babies in utero and also that it can infect the nervous system. What is worrying is that we don’t know what may have changed, and why.

WOAH!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:52:09am

re: #31 lawhawk

JUST IN: Trump-less Fox News debate nearly lowest rated of the primary season

Trump to tout this fact in 3…2…1…

Of course he will. Trump trumps all Trump talk with more Trump. His skipping the debate is proof that Trump trumps rest of field.

I’m Trump, and I Trump this message.

Basically he succeeded in turning it into another kiddie-table debate. Brilliant tactical move.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:53:11am

buny so softtt

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:53:36am

re: #27 Jayleia

THE ROUNDING ERRORS ARE SURGING!

Local network had a GOP consultant on this morning to talk about last night’s debate and the candidates. He was actually pretty critical of the candidates although he seemed to think Rubio had slightly the better night over Cruz. And he ripped Jeb for his response on immigration. Not sure who this guy was, but it confirmed the overall drift towards Rubio and away from Jeb that has characterized the GOP establishment response in recent months.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:53:48am

bbl

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:54:31am

re: #33 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Basically he succeeded in turning it into another kiddie-table debate. Brilliant tactical move.

I have a hard time believing what’s happened the past several months, but Trump has managed to make the other candidates look like midgets.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:59:58am
He evades police at around 8:20 and about 30 seconds later he tries to ram law enforcement and then gets gunned down.

He wasn’t trying to ram law enforcement. He was trying to get around the road block. Let’s not be like them. If you watch closely you can see the officer run out and almost run in front of the vehicle.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:03:01am

re: #38 mroop

He wasn’t trying to ram law enforcement. He was trying to get around the road block. Let’s not be like them. If you watch closely you can see the officer run out and almost run in front of the vehicle.

I’ll grant you that one. It probably actually went like this: He never slowed down. The cop, fearing that LaVoy was going to ram the barricade, ran in the snow to get away from the collision. LaVoy, intending to go around the blockade, drove into the snow where the cop was heading.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:04:41am

re: #6 lawhawk He wanted a confrontation, and even attacked law enforcement by striking one with his vehicle.

I haven’t read anything about him striking an officer with his vehicle. If he did hit a cop with his vehicle I think I would have read that somewhere.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:05:15am

re: #37 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I have a hard time believing what’s happened the past several months, but Trump has managed to make the other candidates look like midgets.

He makes them look like cowards, apologizing and waffling about the real beliefs of the base. He is the leader because he is defiant, forthright, and courageous in expressing his (and the base’s) true principles.

He reminds me a lot of Goering at Nuremberg in fact.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:05:19am

re: #38 mroop

He wasn’t trying to ram law enforcement. He was trying to get around the road block. Let’s not be like them. If you watch closely you can see the officer run out and almost run in front of the vehicle.

I think that cop thought LaVoy was going to try and ram the car he was standing behind and tried to get out of the way LaVoy turned at the last min. JMO

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KerFuFFler  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:05:31am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

At 8:16 mark he takes off, drives up the road until he gets to the roadblock at about 9:15 mark, tries to drive around the roadblock almost running down an officer. He gets out of the vehicle with his arms spread out, not up, likely to keep his balance on a steep, slippery snowbank. As soon as he gets secure footing the hands come down and he reaches for his gun at about 9:30 mark.

My take exactly. But some “think” otherwise:

Helicopter cam? Really? What if what you’re really seeing is this? After the illegal killing there is a cover up. What if first they tote the rest of the detainees to jail, Then they have an agent put on the dead mans hat and vest.Next they reset the roadblock down the road just a bit and have an agent drive the vehicle in the same manner around the roadblock into the snow.The other agent proceeds to jump out with hat and vest on and he reaches for gun TWICE to make sure they can get it on video from the whirley-rig.Fake a shot from the shooter, then the cowboy hat wearing agent falls down. Did you see David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear?Of course you’re saying “THAT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY, YOU’RE NOT ONE OF THEM,ARE YOU?” *Why would the FBI go expecting a firefight but what they had no dash cams? No helmet cams or body cams nor did the state police? We are suppose to be happy with TV like helicam?Got any audio?Yeah Sure,Sure……Of course that is just a wingnut conspiracy theory, however, a 2012 survey by National Geographic found that 77 percent of Americans think that aliens have visited Earth. The people get the government that they deserve.

Yeah, the moron who wrote this goes by ‘voiceofreason’. Go figure.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:06:06am

Storm Gertrude’s moving north, and things are starting to calm down. The storm’s now passing over the most norther extremities of Scotland, the Shetland Isles, where a gust of 105mph has been recorded! (Live cams here, complete with windscreen wipers, apparently.)

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:07:02am

re: #43 KerFuFFler

There’s no brainofreason behind it.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:10:17am

re: #43 KerFuFFler

My take exactly. But some “think” otherwise:

Helicopter cam? Really? What if what you’re really seeing is this? After the illegal killing there is a cover up. What if first they tote the rest of the detainees to jail, Then they have an agent put on the dead mans hat and vest.Next they reset the roadblock down the road just a bit and have an agent drive the vehicle in the same manner around the roadblock into the snow.The other agent proceeds to jump out with hat and vest on and he reaches for gun TWICE to make sure they can get it on video from the whirley-rig.Fake a shot from the shooter, then the cowboy hat wearing agent falls down. Did you see David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear?Of course you’re saying “THAT’S A CONSPIRACY THEORY, YOU’RE NOT ONE OF THEM,ARE YOU?” *Why would the FBI go expecting a firefight but what they had no dash cams? No helmet cams or body cams nor did the state police? We are suppose to be happy with TV like helicam?Got any audio?Yeah Sure,Sure……Of course that is just a wingnut conspiracy theory, however, a 2012 survey by National Geographic found that 77 percent of Americans think that aliens have visited Earth. The people get the government that they deserve.

Yeah, the moron who wrote this goes by ‘voiceofreason’. Go figure.

He should go by “Brainfart”.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:12:46am

Description of how events unfolded during the arrest operation by FBI SAC:
Remarks by SAC Greg Bretzing at a Press Conference to Address the Ongoing Situation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

And, my question to an area reporter about claims made in her article about the event/video:
Original question last night-

And asking again this morning-

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ipsos  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:13:37am

THERE NEVER WAS A “LAVOY FINICUM”

CRISIS ACTOR!!! CRISIS ACTOR!!!! FALSE FLAG!!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:15:11am

re: #40 mroop

He wanted a confrontation, and even attacked law enforcement by striking one with his vehicle.

I haven’t read anything about him striking an officer with his vehicle. If he did hit a cop with his vehicle I think I would have read that somewhere.

I don’t think he did either, and that was about the only thing this scumbag terrorist didn’t do. His mental midget “thought” process put him in this position along with the lies and manipulation from other like “minded” shitstains. He paid the price for listening to fools.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:18:21am

re: #40 mroop

He wanted a confrontation, and even attacked law enforcement by striking one with his vehicle.

I haven’t read anything about him striking an officer with his vehicle. If he did hit a cop with his vehicle I think I would have read that somewhere.

Finicum came very close to running one of the cops over.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:19:47am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Finicum came very close to running one of the cops over.

I can’t believe he didn’t hit him, actually. How that cop got out of the way was kind of miraculous.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:26:07am

re: #51 WhatEVs

I can’t believe he didn’t hit him, actually. How that cop got out of the way was kind of miraculous.

Proves it’s all CG generated! (Can’t do wingnut font).

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:26:25am

re: #51 WhatEVs

I can’t believe he didn’t hit him, actually. How that cop got out of the way was kind of miraculous.

It would be interesting to hear the cop describe what happened in those moments, but I would not be surprised if the snow piling up in front of the SUV acted like a pillow in addition to slowing the SUV.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:27:51am

re: #40 mroop

He wanted a confrontation, and even attacked law enforcement by striking one with his vehicle.

I haven’t read anything about him striking an officer with his vehicle. If he did hit a cop with his vehicle I think I would have read that somewhere.

As Finicum drives through the roadblock, note the cop ducking away from the vehicle as it streaks into the snowbank.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:28:30am
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steve_davis  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:34:29am

re: #4 Dr. Matt

He evades police at around 8:20 and about 30 seconds later he tries to ram law enforcement and then gets gunned down.

Well, the Oregon troopers didn’t want to die and they didn’t, and this clown didn’t want to be taken alive, and he wasn’t. Sounds like a win-win to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:35:46am

re: #56 steve_davis

Well, the Oregon troopers didn’t want to die and they didn’t, and this clown didn’t want to be taken alive, and he wasn’t. Sounds like a win-win to me.

And the Wingnuts got a new martyr…winners all around!!!

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:38:04am

re: #10 darthstar

I don’t do death porn myself. I haven’t watched it either but assume he dies in the end.

re: #13 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

yeah, me either.

I think the reason to watch is not about death porn as much as to see that law enforcement did their jobs and to get a feel for the bullshit that will be coming from all the wingnut militia types. I like to know bullshit is bullshit and I have actual proof of it.

The way the wingnuts want to make it seem is law enforcement was over eager. If they were all that over eager and wanted to just blow these guys off the face of the earth they had plenty of opportunity to ‘bonnnie and clyde’ that SUV while everyone was still in it for many minutes after LaVoy ran out.

Seems to me LaVoy had plenty of chance to get down on his knees with his hands up…the first time they were stopped on the road. He did not. The dude in the other video then explains very well the mind set and actions of Finicum.

Now watch the wingnut militia types slime the guy in the video and call him a police plant, pussy, etc., etc. You know it’s coming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:39:33am

re: #58 ObserverArt

Now watch the wingnut militia types slime the guy in the video and call him a police plant, pussy, etc., etc. You know it’s coming.

It is already a WIngnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood. No facts are going to stand in the way of that talking point.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:40:38am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is already a WIngnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood. No facts are going to stand in the way of that talking point.

That is how conspiracies work. No matter what the facts say even if they’re staring you in the face, there’s always a conspiracy ready.

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Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:44:58am

re: #9 Tigger2

By the time they get through he will have been nuked.

From orbit I assume, that being the only way to be sure.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:45:27am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is already a WIngnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood. No facts are going to stand in the way of that talking point.

It kills me because it’s blatant and obvious and right in front of their damned faces.

Reach for gun #1 at the 9:29 minute mark

Reach for gun #2 at the 9:32 minute mark

Shot at the 9:33 minute mark

I can at least appreciate the conspiracy dude who thinks it’s an ooga booga agent in nutbar clothing. He, at least, sees that this criminal thug militia asshat went for a gun. Not once, but twice.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:49:53am
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Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:50:50am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is already a WIngnut Article of Faith that he was gunned down in cold blood. No facts are going to stand in the way of that talking point.

Well, it was a planned roadblock intended to arrest the leaders of the occupation while they were in ‘dark territory’ (there’s no cell phone reception in the canyon where these events played out), so I can see how a “They planned to kill him in advance!!1” narrative could take shape, though this video should put an end to all reasonable doubts about the shooting: It was Fully Justified.

And while we are on the topic: How do conspiracy nuts explain Robert Finicum being “gunned down in cold blood”, while Ryan Bundy was only wounded and his brother Ammon was not harmed at all?

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Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:52:35am

Face it-Many of the same folks who insist this guy was murdered by the police would be very quick to believe a police officer who shot a black guy making the same assertion without any video to help.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:52:48am

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was a planned roadblock intended to arrest the leaders of the occupation while they were in ‘dark territory’ (there’s no cell phone reception in the canyon where these events played out), so I can see how a “They planned to kill him in advance!!1” narrative could take shape, though this video should put an end to all reasonable doubts about the shooting: It was Fully Justified.

And while we are on the topic: How do conspiracy nuts explain Robert Finicum being “gunned down in cold blood”, while Ryan Bundy was only wounded and his brother Ammon was not harmed at all?

Well clearly Ammon and Ryan were agents of the lizard people.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:53:17am

re: #65 Great White Snark

Face it-Many of the same folks who insist this guy was murdered by the police would be very quick to believe a police officer who shot a black guy making the same assertion without any video to help.

This times a 1000.

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withak  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:54:23am

PP sells babby parts, and CMP is being persecuted for investigative journalism.

Finicum was murdered in cold blood.

Obama did a world apology tour, apologizing to our enemies.

The unemployment numbers are skewed — the economy is actually worse off than it was 7 years ago.

Chemtrails are real, and are responsible for all sorts of bad effects, from cancer to depression.

The moon landing was a hoax.

The earth is flat.

There’s just no point in arguing with facts or reason with anyone who believes any of this kind of bullshit, especially on the Internet.

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Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:57:10am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

This times a 1000.

Hey thanks very much. I had tried to distill that down to 140 characters but no luck.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:57:49am

Honestly as I said yesterday, I hate that this guy died. I mean it’s obviously awful for his wife and kids but he chose go to Oregon. He chose to go there knowing that there was a chance this could happen. He even vowed they’d never take him alive which is what ended up happening. Honestly, to me he’s yet another victim of the Bundy’s perverted bullshit about how the federal government is bullying them. Ammon, Ryan, and Cliven should be apologizing to his family for spreading fear and lies that inspired him to go tehre in teh first place.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:59:30am

re: #69 Great White Snark

Hey thanks very much. I had tried to distill that down to 140 characters but no luck.

Not a problem. I think that’s the most maddening thign about it to me. That the same people who insist this guy was murdered are the same people who tell us blue lives matter when we’re upset at the deaths of Mike Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and so many others.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:59:42am
I’ll grant you that one. It probably actually went like this: He never slowed down. The cop, fearing that LaVoy was going to ram the barricade, ran in the snow to get away from the collision. LaVoy, intending to go around the blockade, drove into the snow where the cop was heading.

I agree. At first I was thinking maybe the sniper was running out to take a shot through the windshield.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:01:13am

re: #68 withak

PP sells babby parts, and CMP is being persecuted for investigative journalism.

Finicum was murdered in cold blood.

Obama did a world apology tour, apologizing to our enemies.

The unemployment numbers are skewed — the economy is actually worse off than it was 7 years ago.

Chemtrails are real, and are responsible for all sorts of bad effects, from cancer to depression.

The moon landing was a hoax.

The earth is flat.

There’s just no point in arguing with facts or reason with anyone who believes any of this kind of bullshit, especially on the Internet.

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HURR HURR WHARGLEBARGLE DERPDERP!!!1!!!

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Dark_Falcon  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:01:20am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Not a problem. I think that’s the most maddening thign about it to me. That the same people who insist this guy was murdered are the same people who tell us blue lives matter when we’re upset at the deaths of Mike Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and so many others.

It doesn’t even madden me anymore. I know the people who say that are racist assholes and I expect no better from them.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:02:08am
Finicum came very close to running one of the cops over.

I agree, but that would have been unintentional. I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I’m wondering if they could charge the other sovereigns with murder under the felony murder rule. That would be sweet.

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Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:04:02am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Nobody tried harder than the police agencies to avoid bloodshed. Not a soul. The death is a shame, but I’m proud of our government policing in this instance. I’m old enough to have seen the SLA gunfight on TV. Then of course the now more famous Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian incidents. Many of you of course share those tragic memories.

Damn it we did pretty good this time. I think that’s the takeaway despite the death of a guy that to all statements and appearances got the gunfight he wanted and lost. No good guys got hurt. Congratulations are in order here.

And just for you newer Lizards here, I hammer the police when I think they got it wrong. Feel free to search my Pages.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:04:15am

re: #69 Great White Snark

This is 140 characters:

People insisting Finicium was murdered by police would be very quick to believe a LEO shooting black guy making the same assertion w/o video

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Great White Snark  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:08:23am

re: #77 lawhawk

This is 140 characters:

People insisting Finicium was murdered by police would be very quick to believe a LEO shooting black guy making the same assertion w/o video

My thanks to the better wordsmith.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:08:41am

re: #75 mroop

I agree, but that would have been unintentional. I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I’m wondering if they could charge the other sovereigns with murder under the felony murder rule. That would be sweet.

How would have it been unintentional?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:08:58am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t even madden me anymore. I know the people who say that are racist assholes and I expect no better from them.

True that. Fuckwads in any case.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:09:57am

re: #77 lawhawk

This is 140 characters:

People insisting Finicium was murdered by police would be very quick to believe a LEO shooting black guy making the same assertion w/o video

re: #78 Great White Snark

My thanks to the better wordsmith.

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Good job guys. Props. I mean a lot of people no doubt think it but it needs to be said.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:32am

re: #76 Great White Snark

Nobody tried harder than the police agencies to avoid bloodshed. Not a soul. The death is a shame, but I’m proud of our government policing in this instance. I’m old enough to have seen the SLA gunfight on TV. Then of course the now more famous Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian incidents. Many of you of course share those tragic memories.

Damn it we did pretty good this time. I think that’s the takeaway despite the death of a guy that to all statements and appearances got the gunfight he wanted and lost. No good guys got hurt. Congratulations are in order here.

And just for you newer Lizards here, I hammer the police when I think they got it wrong. Feel free to search my Pages.

Yeah I thikn they did a great job too all things considered.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:37am

re: #75 mroop

I agree, but that would have been unintentional. I’m not a criminal lawyer, but I’m wondering if they could charge the other sovereigns with murder under the felony murder rule. That would be sweet.

Lawyer question, probably an Oregon lawyer question.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:49am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Honestly as I said yesterday, I hate that this guy died. I mean it’s obviously awful for his wife and kids but he chose go to Oregon. He chose to go there knowing that there was a chance this could happen. He even vowed they’d never take him alive which is what ended up happening. Honestly, to me he’s yet another victim of the Bundy’s perverted bullshit about how the federal government is bullying them. Ammon, Ryan, and Cliven should be apologizing to his family for spreading fear and lies that inspired him to go tehre in teh first place.

It’s not just the Bundy’s perverted bullshit. He is a victim of “the need for militia in America” thinking.

I bet if you go to Finicums house you will find favored militia reading material like The Turner Diaries, pamphlets from Aryan Nations, CCC, articles by Pat Buchanan and David Duke, Trump hats and bumper stickers…maybe a list of web addresses to all the White Nationalist and Patriot Movement sites and Christmas Cards from Jon Ritzheimer.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:56am
As Finicum drives through the roadblock, note the cop ducking away from the vehicle as it streaks into the snowbank.

I saw that, watched a few times yesterday. I’ve read a lot about these sovereign nutcases and actually conversed with a couple of them in the courthouse. I have a client now with a criminal matter who has some sovereign ideas. He’s a nice guy and I’m talking him out of it. The internet is dangerous for some people. It’s a distribution charge that probably would have been a possession charge had he not started spouting off about his constitutional rights when he was pulled over.

One sovereign nutcase tried to retain me in municipal court and it ended like this:

Me: (walking away) That’s all bullshit. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Nutbag: You can’t get an attorney ID!

Me: If I want an attorney ID I’ll go to New Brunswick and get one!

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:57am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

He gets out of the vehicle with his arms spread out, not up, likely to keep his balance on a steep, slippery snowbank.

I thought it was more a “come at me, bro” expression on his part after watching the video.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:10:59am

re: #76 Great White Snark

Nobody tried harder than the police agencies to avoid bloodshed. Not a soul. The death is a shame, but I’m proud of our government policing in this instance. I’m old enough to have seen the SLA gunfight on TV. Then of course the now more famous Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian incidents. Many of you of course share those tragic memories.

Damn it we did pretty good this time. I think that’s the takeaway despite the death of a guy that to all statements and appearances got the gunfight he wanted and lost. No good guys got hurt. Congratulations are in order here.

And just for you newer Lizards here, I hammer the police when I think they got it wrong. Feel free to search my Pages.

This is true. It is, however, worth noting that so many precautions seem to generally be taken when perpetrators are white and thus sympathetic with the media and the general public. Minorities don’t get any such strenuous attempts to prevent bloodshed.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:11:02am

Video

Lizards locked in epic battle. Some claim dispute over pizza toppings to blame but insiders know it’s all about the down-dings.

(I wish I knew how to make the actual video show up in the comment instead of just a “click here” video button……)

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:11:33am

re: #78 Great White Snark

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:12:24am

re: #84 ObserverArt

It’s not just the Bundy’s perverted bullshit. He is a victim of “the need for militia in America” thinking.

I bet if you go to Finicums house you will find favored militia reading material like The Turner Diaries, pamphlets from Aryan Nations, CCC, articles by Pat Buchanan and David Duke, Trump hats and bumper stickers…maybe a list of web addresses to all the White Nationalist and Patriot Movement sites and Christmas Cards from Jon Ritzheimer.

Right on and as I said yesterday I’m sick and fucking tired of militias too.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:13:01am

“Here’s video of a young black teen being gunned down in under 2 seconds.”

“He reached towards his waistband! You never do that when a cop has a gun pointed at you!”

“Here’s video of a white guy being shot after reaching for his jacket pocket.”

“ZOMG!!! HE WAS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:13:50am

re: #91 Targetpractice

“Here’s video of a young black teen being gunned down in under 2 seconds.”

“He reached towards his waistband! You never do that when a cop has a gun pointed at you!”

“Here’s video of a white guy being shot after reaching for his jacket pocket.”

“ZOMG!!! HE WAS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!!!”

or really any black person-
HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THE COPS.
This asshole
THEY MURDERED HIM IN COLD BLOOD

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:14:01am

Here is a GIF from the time he exits the truck up to the shooting. Finicium clearly goes for his weapon at least twice.

Click to Reveal

Video

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:14:41am
Lawyer question, probably an Oregon lawyer question.

I’m a lawyer but I only do minor criminal stuff and I’m too lazy to do the research and figure that one out. I’m hoping they pile some more charges on these jerks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:16:07am

This really reminds me of a family acquaintance who had a friend who went for his gun shot by police complaining that the police shot his friend and then bellyaching that “no one” cared because the guy was white. I’m critical of police misconduct but if police shoot a suspect going for what they know is a gun, I can’t really fault them too hard. I mean I obviously prefer no one gets killed either but Finicum put the police in a really bad position.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:16:12am

re: #85 mroop

The internet is dangerous for some people.

Paranoid delusional confirmation bias. Twisted like-minds find each other much easier on the internet.

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bratwurst  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:16:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:17:23am

re: #96 WhatEVs

Paranoid delusional confirmation bias. Twisted like-minds find each other much easier on the internet.

The internet really is a double edged sword in so many ways. Wouldn’t trade it for the world mind you but it does allow crazies to get legitimacy in numbers in a way they could not in the past.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:17:47am

re: #79 Timothy Watson

How would have it been unintentional?

Finicum veers off the road to try and get around the roadblock as the officer runs off the road thinking that Finicum is going to ram the roadblock and Finicum then hits the officer. His intent was not to run over the officer, it was to get around the roadblock, therefore unintentional.

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withak  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:17:49am

re: #96 WhatEVs

Paranoid delusional confirmation bias. Twisted like-minds find each other much easier on the internet.

The Internet is a force multiplier for information, whether that information happens to be valid or not.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:17:54am

re: #97 bratwurst

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Hopefully Cheney would land a good one in Donald’s vocal chords.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:18:40am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

And the police were dealing people known to carry firearms, bragged about doing so, and said they would rather die than be arrested

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:19:07am

re: #94 mroop

There’s going to be a laundry list of federal charges. The initial indictment is going to be superseded with far more charges, which could include domestic terrorism, weapons, vandalism, theft, tampering with public utility systems, damaging Native American artifacts, and unauthorized access of federal computer networks. There’s going to be conspiracy charges on top of everything else. And these guys will spend the better part of the rest of their lives occupying some prime federal real estate - prison.

The evidence of all these crimes and the conspiracy? Everything that they published online in video and diaries and photographs of same.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:19:10am
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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:19:42am

John Crawford - “He was swinging that gun around! People were afraid!”

Michael Brown - “He charged at the cop, who feared for his life!”

Tamir Rice - “He reached towards his waistband, and that Airsoft gun looked totally real!”

Eric Garner - “He was trying to fight back! They piled on him to stop him from presenting a danger to them!”

Freddie Gray - “He ran from the cops! And he had a switchblade in his pocket! Plus he was a drug dealer, so why do I care if he’s dead?!”

Robert Finicum - “HE WAS TOTALLY PEACEFUL! HE HAD HIS HANDS UP! HE JUST WANTED TO TALK TO THE SHERIFF!!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:20:12am

re: #102 Timothy Watson

And the police were dealing people known to carry firearms, bragged about doing so, and said they would rather die than be arrested

But all “peacefully.”

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:21:37am

re: #99 mroop

Finicum veers off the road to try and get around the roadblock as the officer runs off the road thinking that Finicum is going to ram the roadblock and Finicum then hits the officer. His intent was not to run over the officer, it was to get around the roadblock, therefore unintentional.

Wouldn’t hitting a police officer in that situation be foreseeable regardless? He ran a large vehicle at a significant speed at a roadblock after apparently failing to stop for a lawful traffic stop. Just because he ran the thing into the snow, he would be aware and foreseeable that a police office could be injured if the vehicle spun, flipped, etc.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:21:38am

re: #94 mroop

I’m a lawyer but I only do minor criminal stuff and I’m too lazy to do the research and figure that one out. I’m hoping they pile some more charges on these jerks.

There was a link to an LA Times article last night that said they went with the conspiracy to obstruct chrge initially, because they can apply it to everyone they’ve arrested to date.

It also mentioned that they may add to the charges in the coming weeks. I want them to find the heaviest book they can find and throw it at the lot of them.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:21:59am

re: #103 lawhawk

There’s going to be a laundry list of federal charges. The initial indictment is going to be superseded with far more charges, which could include domestic terrorism, weapons, vandalism, theft, tampering with public utility systems, damaging Native American artifacts, and unauthorized access of federal computer networks. There’s going to be conspiracy charges on top of everything else. And these guys will spend the better part of the rest of their lives occupying some prime federal real estate - prison.

The evidence of all these crimes and the conspiracy? Everything that they published online in video and diaries and photographs of same.

Gotta give them credit for compiling a nice pile of evidence for their own case. Very thorough.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:22:03am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

He might have gotten that gun out of his pocket on try #1 if he hadn’t lost his footing.

ICYMI from downstairs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:22:19am

re: #102 Timothy Watson

And the police were dealing people known to carry firearms, bragged about doing so, and said they would rather die than be arrested

Exactly.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:23:31am

re: #99 mroop

Arguably.

But there’s intent to run the roadblock and to put the lives of those at the roadblock at risk. The cop avoids serious injury only by luck.

If you’re the prosecutor, you’re framing this as intent to run the roadblock without caring about the safety of the law enforcement manning it.

If you’re the defense lawyer, you’re arguing that running off the side of the road was to avoid hitting the cops manning it and that it was accidental that the cop was even in the path of the vehicle.

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:23:47am

re: #107 Timothy Watson

Wouldn’t hitting a police officer in that situation be foreseeable regardless? He ran a large vehicle at a significant speed at a roadblock after apparently failing to stop for a lawful traffic stop. Just because he ran the thing into the snow, he would be aware and foreseeable that a police office could be injured if the vehicle spun, flipped, etc.

He committed that act while in the commission of another felony. Not a slam dunk, but it’d make an attorney work.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:25:19am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

The internet really is a double edged sword in so many ways. Wouldn’t trade it for the world mind you but it does allow crazies to get legitimacy in numbers in a way they could not in the past.

And they reinforce their own delusions, e.g., the American populace supports these “Patriots” when the only ones supporting them are other “Patriots”. Some may feel they have good intentions (like some of the ranchers in Burns) but few approve of their tactics.

Honestly, I don’t think wingnuts approve of this either. But it’s anti-Obama so it’s ok today. If there was a GOPer in high office, they would be blasting the crap out of these militia nuts for being anti-American.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:25:20am

re: #103 lawhawk

There’s going to be a laundry list of federal charges. The initial indictment is going to be superseded with far more charges, which could include domestic terrorism, weapons, vandalism, theft, tampering with public utility systems, damaging Native American artifacts, and unauthorized access of federal computer networks. There’s going to be conspiracy charges on top of everything else. And these guys will spend the better part of the rest of their lives occupying some prime federal real estate - prison.

The evidence of all these crimes and the conspiracy? Everything that they published online in video and diaries and photographs of same.

Fairly credible press reports that explosives were brought into the reserve. Accuracy and definitions are always an issue with such reports.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:25:33am

re: #113 gwangung

He committed that act while in the commission of another felony. Not a slam dunk, but it’d make an attorney work.

Prosecutor: If you’ll agree to pleading guilty to trying to run a roadblock, we’ll drop the charge of endangering the lives of police officers.

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blueraven  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:26:40am
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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:26:57am

re: #104 The Vicious Babushka

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Well, obviouslly LaVoy was just loosing his balance ther. You can tells by the angle of his body in that picthure. Just look…he’s not standin strate up. And then they just shot him. It’s crimanal man…just crimanal. And it’s all Obama’s falt. And Clinton!!!! They all hate us white peeple man! Just wait…youyr next

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:28:12am

re: #108 makeitstop

There was a link to an LA Times article last night that said they went with the conspiracy to obstruct chrge initially, because they can apply it to everyone they’ve arrested to date.

It also mentioned that they may add to the charges in the coming weeks. I want them to find the heaviest book they can find and throw it at the lot of them.

Someone was saying that having guns and explosives, if convicted, was a mandatory 30 years…or something like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:28:47am

re: #114 WhatEVs

And they reinforce their own delusions, e.g., the American populace supports these “Patriots” when the only ones supporting them are other “Patriots”. Some may feel they have good intentions (like some of the ranchers in Burns) but few approve of their tactics.

Honestly, I don’t think wingnuts approve of this either. But it’s anti-Obama so it’s ok today. If there was a GOPer in high office, they would be blasting the crap out of these militia nuts for being anti-American.

If it were a Republican in office, the right wingers in the media would want these people punished. It’s kind of like how they treated every single critic including former Republican office holders as traitors of Bush’s FP but it was a okay for them to say Obama sympathizes with Islamic terrorists.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:28:53am

re: #103 lawhawk

There’s going to be a laundry list of federal charges. The initial indictment is going to be superseded with far more charges, which could include domestic terrorism, weapons, vandalism, theft, tampering with public utility systems, damaging Native American artifacts, and unauthorized access of federal computer networks. There’s going to be conspiracy charges on top of everything else. And these guys will spend the better part of the rest of their lives occupying some prime federal real estate - prison.

The evidence of all these crimes and the conspiracy? Everything that they published online in video and diaries and photographs of same.

I actually feel sorry for the defense attorneys who will be handling these cases. By this point, the best they can possibly hope for is to make some small dent in the final sentences for their clients. If any of them actually entertained the possibility for acquittal, the coming deluge of video and photographic evidence featuring their clients will quickly snuff that out.

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calochortus  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:29:09am

re: #118 ObserverArt

Well, obviouslly LaVoy was just loosing his balance ther. You can tells by the angle of his body in that picthure. Just look…he’s not standin strate up. And then they just shot him. It’s crimanal man…just crimanal. And it’s all Obama’s falt. And Clinton!!!! They all hate us white peeple man! Just wait…youyr next

Don’t forget: No one holds a gun with their arm straight out like that cop. It was obviously a tazer. Once he was down they shot him in cold blood!
And yes, I’ve seen that “logic” out there.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:29:19am

re: #119 WhatEVs

Someone was saying that having guns and explosives, if convicted, was a mandatory 30 years…or something like that.

A pretty much life sentence for a guy in his mid 50’s.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:29:19am

re: #117 blueraven

My son, whose going to school in Iowa and has registered to vote there, has been going to a number of rallies there - he and his friends go to the Republican ones just to get the give-aways. He had been excited for Sanders for months, but he told me the other night that he was going to caucus for O’Malley. I’m not sure why, I didn’t have time to ask.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:30:11am
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Mattand  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:30:34am

When you get down to it, the only difference between the Vanilla ISIS and the real ISIS is that VI didn’t strap their explosives to their chest and charge into a crowd of civilians.

Although if OKC taught us anything, this unfortunately is still a possibility.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:30:41am

HURR HURR WHY SHOULDS WOMENS GET TEH SAME PAY WHEN THAY TAKES MOAR TIMES OFF TO HAV BABBIES & TAKES CARE OFF THERE BABIES!!!!1!!!*

*Actual argument presented to me by “Proud Non-Feminist Conservative Woman” silly bint Inez Felscher

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:30:59am

re: #124 Belafon

My son, whose going to school in Iowa and has registered to vote there, has been going to a number of rallies there - he and his friends go to the Republican ones just to get the give-aways. He had been excited for Sanders for months, but he told me the other night that he was going to caucus for O’Malley. I’m not sure why, I didn’t have time to ask.

I’m considering voting for O’Malley. i am still not sold on Clinton totally but Sanders who was my first choice I’ve soured on since he really hasn’t shown me HOW he’ll accomplish his agenda.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:31:28am

re: #112 lawhawk

Arguably.

But there’s intent to run the roadblock and to put the lives of those at the roadblock at risk. The cop avoids serious injury only by luck.

If you’re the prosecutor, you’re framing this as intent to run the roadblock without caring about the safety of the law enforcement manning it.

If you’re the defense lawyer, you’re arguing that running off the side of the road was to avoid hitting the cops manning it and that it was accidental that the cop was even in the path of the vehicle.

And if I was on the jury, I would go with the defense on this part. I think a charge related to hitting or near hitting the cop would be a mistake. Even a failure to stop kind of charge could be countered with he was going to fast and this was his safest option.

I hope all these guys go to prison for a very, very long time. But throwing stuff at them that gives a defense any wins is a mistake in my eyes.

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:32:04am

re: #62 WhatEVs

It kills me because it’s blatant and obvious and right in front of their damned faces.

Reach for gun #1 at the 9:29 minute mark

Reach for gun #2 at the 9:32 minute mark

Shot at the 9:33 minute mark

I can at least appreciate the conspiracy dude who thinks it’s an ooga booga agent in nutbar clothing. He, at least, sees that this criminal thug militia asshat went for a gun. Not once, but twice.

Just, seen the video. The reach inside his jacket was plain even from this distance, in fact the second attempt was pretty blatant, so I can see why people are saying “suicide by cop”. (And what is that motion with his right hand at 9:39 after he’s down? This was the hand that was reaching inside the jacket- did he have the gun in his hand at this point?)

But he definitely was not shot in the back, on knees with his hands up, as the myth puts it- he was shot slightly from the side, standing up, with his hand inside his jacket.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:32:12am

re: #62 WhatEVs

It kills me because it’s blatant and obvious and right in front of their damned faces.

Reach for gun #1 at the 9:29 minute mark

Reach for gun #2 at the 9:32 minute mark

Shot at the 9:33 minute mark

I can at least appreciate the conspiracy dude who thinks it’s an ooga booga agent in nutbar clothing. He, at least, sees that this criminal thug militia asshat went for a gun. Not once, but twice.

I wouldn’t worry too much about the way Rightwingers/T’Baggers will spin Finicum’s death. You cannot force people to accept facts — all you can do is present them for everyone to see.

“Patriots” (aka White Terrorists) will always find a way to spin this story so that Finicum is a victim of government thuggery. But sensible people know that the government treated the Oregon Militants with kid gloves and no where as harshly as they would have treated darker skinned protesters. Remember how that police officer flipped and sat on that Black girl wearing a bikini in Texas? Conservatives had zero problems with that. Or with the other police shootings/assaults of Black people.

Once again their hypocrisy is showing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:32:17am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHY SHOULDS WOMENS GET TEH SAME PAY WHEN THAY TAKES MOAR TIMES OFF TO HAV BABBIES & TAKES CARE OFF THERE BABIES!!!!1!!!*

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*Actual argument presented to me by “Proud Non-Feminist Conservative Woman” silly bint Inez Felscher

This is something that every man and woman should get behind. But of course because the RNC regressed on women’s issues, it won’t. Should have listened to Betty Ford and not cranky Grandma Schalfry who probably bemoans the end of legalized slavery.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:33:41am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHY SHOULDS WOMENS GET TEH SAME PAY WHEN THAY TAKES MOAR TIMES OFF TO HAV BABBIES & TAKES CARE OFF THERE BABIES!!!!1!!!*

*Actual argument presented to me by “Proud Non-Feminist Conservative Woman” silly bint Inez Felscher

I’m sure they Inez ignores the studies showing that women out of college going into executive work are getting paid less than their male counterparts even before they have children.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:34:59am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

This is something that every man and woman should get behind. But of course because the RNC regressed on women’s issues, it won’t. Should have listened to Betty Ford and not cranky Grandma Schalfry who probably bemoans the end of legalized slavery.

HURR HURR IF WIMMENS WANTS A CAREER THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE TEH BABBIES!!!!! BUT NO BIRTH CONTROLS FOR U SLUTZ JUST KEEP UR LEGS CLOSE!!!1!!! SO WHAT IF UR MARRIED U SHUD STAY HOME & MAKE BABBIES & SAMMICHES NOT GO OUT SLUTTIN IN UR CAREER SUITS!!!!111

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:35:57am

re: #129 WhatEVs

And if I was on the jury, I would go with the defense on this part. I think a charge related to hitting or near hitting the cop would be a mistake. Even a failure to stop kind of charge could be countered with he was going to fast and this was his safest option.

I hope all these guys go to prison for a very, very long time. But throwing stuff at them that gives a defense any wins is a mistake in my eyes.

He was going so fast because he apparently fled a lawful traffic stop. Earlier in the video, there’s a MRAP behind him and he’s come to a complete stop. He hits the gas and keeps on going after that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:36:06am

re: #133 Belafon

I’m sure they Inez ignores the studies showing that women out of college going into executive work are getting paid less than their male counterparts even before they have children.

or how minority women get paid even less. Women like her remind me of the women of the the suffrage era who parroted the sexist bullshit about women not being smart enough to vote. Really, I just cringe whenever I hear a woman especially attack feminism especially if they’ve got a decent job or education.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:36:35am

re: #121 Targetpractice

The defense attorneys are pushing the sovereign citizen BS arguments. Wont get them off, but it will piss off the courts and possibly tie things up in court proceedings for longer.

Yet, there’s no chance that these guys will be released anytime soon. I understand that there might be a hearing on that coming up, but the earliest the judge said that would be entertained is once all suspects at the refuge are in custody.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:36:40am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR IF WIMMENS WANTS A CAREER THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE TEH BABBIES!!!!! BUT NO BIRTH CONTROLS FOR U SLUTZ JUST KEEP UR LEGS CLOSE!!!1!!! SO WHAT IF UR MARRIED U SHUD STAY HOME & MAKE BABBIES & SAMMICHES NOT GO OUT SLUTTIN IN UR CAREER SUITS!!!!111

They’re such retrograde assholes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:36:44am

re: #133 Belafon

I’m sure they Inez ignores the studies showing that women out of college going into executive work are getting paid less than their male counterparts even before they have children.

HURR HURR UR GENDER GAP GRAPHS & STATISTICS IS LIBRUL LIES!!!!! HEAR IS A ARTICLE FROM BREITBART THEY GOT FROM HERITAGE WHAT SHOWS THEIR IS NO GENDER GAP!!!! IT EVEN SHOWS TEH WIMMENS MAKES MOAR MONEYS THEN TEH CHRISTIAN WHITE MAN!!!11!!!!

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:36:56am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

Ironically coming from the same people who think that whites aren’t having enough children.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:40:13am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Fairly credible press reports that explosives were brought into the reserve. Accuracy and definitions are always an issue with such reports.

And if that proves to be true, I would want them all charged with terrorism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:40:46am

Feminazi is yet another reason why Rush Limbaugh has been a collective pimple on our nation’s ass for the past two decades. I don’t care how you feel about feminism, that term is disgusting. To liken women who want equal rights to the Nazis is fucking vile and it says a lot about the Republican Party’s lack of character that they embraced Rush rather than throwing him out like the trash he is.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:40:52am

Cue right wing freakout:

Frankly, this may be on the USN commander of the ship for not securing the airspace above the carrier. At same time, Iran’s looking to see what they can do while their nuclear program gets put into concrete (as the Arak reactor is shut down entirely) and centrifuges are being shuttered.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:41:38am

re: #143 lawhawk

Cue right wing freakout:

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Frankly, this may be on the USN commander of the ship for not securing the airspace above the carrier. At same time, Iran’s looking to see what they can do while their nuclear program gets put into concrete (as the Arak reactor is shut down entirely) and centrifuges are being shuttered.

Clearly it’s all Obama’s fault. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:42:40am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Feminazi is yet another reason why Rush Limbaugh has been a collective pimple on our nation’s ass for the past two decades. I don’t care how you feel about feminism, that term is disgusting. To liken women who want equal rights to the Nazis is fucking vile and it says a lot about the Republican Party’s lack of character that they embraced Rush rather than throwing him out like the trash he is.

I’m glad to see Richard Dawkins getting some pushback for his hateful misogyny and Islamophobia.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:43:45am

re: #143 lawhawk

At least they didn’t let a Russian naval bomber overfly a carrier, like back in 2008:

American fighter jets intercepted two Russian bombers, one of which buzzed a U.S. aircraft carrier in the western Pacific on Saturday, U.S. military officials told CNN Monday.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday that there was no violation of flight regulations during the incident. A ministry official said the flights are standard operating procedure for air force training.

One of them twice flew about 2,000 feet over the deck of the USS Nimitz Saturday while another flew about 50 miles away, officials said. Two others were at least 100 miles away, the military reported.

cnn.com

But I’m sure that was Obama’s fault too despite Bush being President.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:43:59am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

I’m glad to see Richard Dawkins getting some pushback for his hateful misogyny and Islamophobia.

Yeah glad to see that. He’s an ass.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:44:02am

re: #105 Targetpractice

John Crawford - “He was swinging that gun around! People were afraid!”

Michael Brown - “He charged at the cop, who feared for his life!”

Tamir Rice - “He reached towards his waistband, and that Airsoft gun looked totally real!”

Eric Garner - “He was trying to fight back! They piled on him to stop him from presenting a danger to them!”

Freddie Gray - “He ran from the cops! And he had a switchblade in his pocket! Plus he was a drug dealer, so why do I care if he’s dead?!”

Robert Finicum - “HE WAS TOTALLY PEACEFUL! HE HAD HIS HANDS UP! HE JUST WANTED TO TALK TO THE SHERIFF!!”

You need to turn that into a tweet. Brilliant!! Sadly, you could add so many other police killings of Black people to that list.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:44:25am

Here’s LaVoys left side weapon. In case you run into anyone that says he always wore his weapon on the right.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:44:50am

re: #146 Timothy Watson

At least they didn’t let a Russian naval bomber overfly a carrier, like back in 2008:

cnn.com

But I’m sure that was Obama’s fault too despite Bush being President.

Well given that some of them blame Obama for Katrina given that happened the first year of W’s second term, yeah of course it’s Obama’s fault. Everything is Obama’s fault.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:45:00am

re: #121 Targetpractice

I actually feel sorry for the defense attorneys who will be handling these cases. By this point, the best they can possibly hope for is to make some small dent in the final sentences for their clients. If any of them actually entertained the possibility for acquittal, the coming deluge of video and photographic evidence featuring their clients will quickly snuff that out.

There was an article the other day (that I cannot find) where the author says the defense is pretty screwed since these geniuses documented everything; threats, guns, destruction, etc., etc., etc.

I wish I could find that article. It made me chuckle. These guys were really the Keystone Cops of criminals.

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Mattand  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:45:32am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I’m considering voting for O’Malley. i am still not sold on Clinton totally but Sanders who was my first choice I’ve soured on since he really hasn’t shown me HOW he’ll accomplish his agenda.

I’m so torn on all of this.

My natural inclination is to support Sanders. It’s good that he’s out there, at least forcing the party to maybe come back from the center right area they’ve been in a for awhile.

That said, unfortunately, electability to the precious independents is a thing that needs to be considered. As people here and elsewhere have pointed out, if Sanders gets the nom, the GOP wins. Flat out. Because it’s going to be 2004 all over again. Instead of Kerry being a flip-flopper on Iraq, it’ll be “ZOMG, the Democrats want to turn the country into socialist hellhole Sweeden!”

And I still think the eye on the prize here is the Supreme Court. You think it’s a 24-hour extremist conservative shit show now? Just wait until a GOP POTUS gets his picks on.

I hate typing that, and worse thinking that, because in a perfect world, honest principles should win out over labels that are easily researched and dismissed. But this ain’t a perfect world, and we’re talking about the American electorate here.

My general attitude is support who you want, but if Sanders loses (which is probably still how this is going to turn out), don’t throw a tantrum and refuse to vote. Not that anyone here would do that, but I go to enough sites where that attitude is proudly screamed from the moment you hit the hyperlink to know it’s going to be a problem.

Given what a racist, ignorant, fanatical shitshow the GOP has become, there is way, way too much at stake here.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:45:48am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

A pretty much life sentence for a guy in his mid 50’s.

And the world, or at least the USA, is safer for it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:45:51am

re: #69 Great White Snark

Hey thanks very much. I had tried to distill that down to 140 characters but no luck.

Which is why Twitter is really only there to let the world know what you had for lunch, or where and who you’re hangin’ with…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:46:15am

re: #125 Tigger2

That’s Colonel Christian Yingling, of the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia, Laurel highlands Ghost Company, if you please. They call him “Buddy” down at the propane dealership.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:51:07am

This is what Finicum’s vehicle would look like if he was a person of color==>

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:52:18am

re: #143 lawhawk

Cue right wing freakout:

[Embedded content]

Frankly, this may be on the USN commander of the ship for not securing the airspace above the carrier. At same time, Iran’s looking to see what they can do while their nuclear program gets put into concrete (as the Arak reactor is shut down entirely) and centrifuges are being shuttered.

Wingnuts are eventually gonna have to accept that Iran is an emerging military power in the region and, if we keep selling the latest gear to our “allies” there, Iran will respond in kind.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:52:52am

re: #103 lawhawk

There’s going to be a laundry list of federal charges.

I figured that might be it, but I was also thinking that the Feds might not want to put them away for the next 20-30 years and make them into martyrs for the movement - that’s the downside.

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Mattand  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:53:09am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

I’m glad to see Richard Dawkins getting some pushback for his hateful misogyny and Islamophobia.

There’s a whole shit show going on right over Dawkins’ latest series of tweets. It got him disinvited from an upcoming skeptics conference. The run down is here.

I’ve never got around to reading any of Dawkins’ books. I’m kind of glad I didn’t now, seeing what kind of clueless asshole he’s become. It sucks, too, because there’s always an undercurrent of “Heh, fuck those atheists, God is showing us they’re terrible” whenever he fucks up.

It’s amazing how many people view him as the leader of every non-believer in the world, when it takes less than five minutes to show more and more people are washing their hands of him.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:54:58am

re: #124 Belafon

Fascinating read. This is the whole thing on Facebook.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:56:47am

re: #152 Mattand

I’m so torn on all of this.

My natural inclination is to support Sanders. It’s good that he’s out there, at least forcing the party to maybe come back from the center right area they’ve been in a for awhile.

That said, unfortunately, electability to the precious independents is a thing that needs to be considered. As people here and elsewhere have pointed out, if Sanders gets the nom, the GOP wins. Flat out. Because it’s going to be 2004 all over again. Instead of Kerry being a flip-flopper on Iraq, it’ll be “ZOMG, the Democrats want to turn the country into socialist hellhole Sweeden!”

And I still think the eye on the prize here is the Supreme Court. You think it’s a 24-hour extremist conservative shit show now? Just wait until a GOP POTUS gets his picks on.

I hate typing that, and worse thinking that, because in a perfect world, honest principles should win out over labels that are easily researched and dismissed. But this ain’t a perfect world, and we’re talking about the American electorate here.

My general attitude is support who you want, but if Sanders loses (which is probably still how this is going to turn out), don’t throw and tantrum and refuse to vote. Not that anyone here would do that, but I go to enough sites where that attitude is proudly screamed from the moment you hit the hyperlink to know it’s going to be a problem.

Given what a racist, ignorant, fanatical shitshow the GOP has become, there is way, way too much at stake here.

My issue really isn’t with Sanders’ agenda in itself. I just have been disappointed with how he expects to pass his reforms. Like for example, he has said he won’t do much for downticket candidates. Honestly, I think that’s narrow minded of him. Plus, he thinks that when Republicans in Congress inevitably vote down his legislation, the people’s response will be to just vote them out or protest to force them into acting. Again, I think he’s being short sighted there. The idealist in me loves Bernie but the pragmatist in me knows that his approach would make him ineffective.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:58:07am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

The idealist in me loves Bernie but the pragmatist in me knows that his approach would make him ineffective.

We don’t deserve Bernie.

/ (half)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:58:55am

re: #159 Mattand

There’s a whole shit show going on right over Dawkins’ latest series of tweets. It got him disinvited from an upcoming skeptics conference. The run down is here.

I’ve never got around to reading any of Dawkins’ books. I’m kind of glad I didn’t now, seeing what kind of clueless asshole he’s become. It sucks, too, because there’s always an undercurrent of “Heh, fuck those atheists, God is showing us they’re terrible” whenever he fucks up.

It’s amazing how many people view him as the leader of every non-believer in the world, when it takes less than five minutes to show more and more people are washing their hands of him.

I never really subscribed to Dawkins that much too. I think Dawkins even before he reavealed himself as a sexist jerk though went out of his way to be a jerk to believers and yes I know many believers are the exact same way to atheists and that shit’s not right either. I am of the mindest, believe in god, don’t believe in god, it shouldn’t matter as long as you realize we’re all in this together. I think that’s ultimately why I have more respect for the Pope than Dawkins but likewise have respect for many atheists more so than many religious leaders.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 29, 2016 • 8:59:16am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I care about the things that Sanders cares about, but I think he’d make for an astoundingly ineffectual and, to be honest, shitty president even if he were somehow able to win the general.

Being an effective executive is about a lot more than just being outraged at bad things.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:00:00am

re: #160 WhatEVs

Fascinating read. This is the whole thing on Facebook.

[Embedded content]

He had to end it all with “Fed set up, crisis actors”

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Mattand  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:00:16am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

The idealist in me loves Bernie but the pragmatist in me knows that his approach would make him ineffective.

I should have typed this and been done with it.

Sometimes I forget I’m not being paid by the word, like Melville in Moby Dick.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:00:57am

I just read in an article on the Atlantic that one of the sticking points with the remaining militants is that they don’t want the Feds to check the weapons left at the Refuge. I hadn’t heard that before anywhere and don’t remember it being mentioned here (though I’ve missed a few threads).

If true, the obvious interpretation is that they have some illegally modified full-auto weapons and/or explosives out there which gives the Feds a laundry list of charges to throw at these creeps.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:01:25am

re: #164 Testy Toad T

I care about the things that Sanders cares about, but I think he’d make for an astoundingly ineffectual and, to be honest, shitty president even if he were somehow able to win the general.

Being an effective executive is about a lot more than just being outraged at bad things.

Right, Bernie’s diehards can tell me WHAT all they want but what I want to know is with the likelidhood of a Republican controlled House and Senate- at least one, how he expects to get this stuff passed. Honestly, this idea that we’ll just protest is illogical. Sorry Bernie, I’m trying to find a career. I don’t mind protesting once and then but I don’t have the time to constantly protest. It’s disappointing that a former mayor wouldn’t get that. It’s not as if Bernie is devoid of executive experience.

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:01:58am

re: #167 Whack-A-Mole

I just read in an article on the Atlantic that one of the sticking points with the remaining militants is that they don’t want the Feds to check the weapons left at the Refuge. I hadn’t heard that before anywhere and don’t remember it being mentioned here (though I’ve missed a few threads).

If true, the obvious interpretation is that they have some illegally modified full-auto weapons and/or explosives out there which gives the Feds a laundry list of charges to throw at these creeps.

That’s like worrying about your broken laptop when a tornado has trashed your entire home.

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Mattand  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:02:02am

re: #164 Testy Toad T

I care about the things that Sanders cares about, but I think he’d make for an astoundingly ineffectual and, to be honest, shitty president even if he were somehow able to win the general.

Being an effective executive is about a lot more than just being outraged at bad things.

His assertion and then backpedaling on his whole “Planned Parenthood is the man trying to keep me down!” was just unbelievably idiotic.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:02:07am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

This is what Finicum’s vehicle would look like if he was a person of color==>

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Good to see that the cops are getting fired for that. Rarely happens.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:02:12am

re: #135 Timothy Watson

He was going so fast because he apparently fled a lawful traffic stop. Earlier in the video, there’s a MRAP behind him and he’s come to a complete stop. He hits the gas and keeps on going after that.

I get it. My point was, depending on how the defense presents it, some ONE on a jury might take that side (the way Lawhawk presented it [sorry LH], I would have). One hangout creates a situation I do not want. I want these guys behind bars, with certainty by the jury, that they deserve to spend their remaining (or mostly remaining) days far, far away from society.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:02:51am

re: #166 Mattand

I should have typed this and been done with it.

Sometimes I forget I’m not being paid by the word, like Melville in Moby Dick.

Or Dickens heh. But yeah that’s the conclusion I’ve come to and I think many of us have here the past 6 months from watching him. I really do think he’s a genuinely good guy with his heart in the right place but I just think it feels like where I was in 2004 when I was a Kucinich diehard. I didn’t realize what I do now that HOW is just as important as to WHAT with legislation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:03:02am

re: #169 gwangung

That’s like worrying about the porn on your broken laptop when a tornado has trashed your entire home.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:03:15am

re: #137 lawhawk

The defense attorneys are pushing the sovereign citizen BS arguments. Wont get them off, but it will piss off the courts and possibly tie things up in court proceedings for longer.

Yet, there’s no chance that these guys will be released anytime soon. I understand that there might be a hearing on that coming up, but the earliest the judge said that would be entertained is once all suspects at the refuge are in custody.

I kind of read the judge like this…

Nothing will happen until everyone is gone from the refuge.

Oh, they’re gone? Good.

No bail as they are all flight risks.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:03:22am

re: #167 Whack-A-Mole

I just read in an article on the Atlantic that one of the sticking points with the remaining militants is that they don’t want the Feds to check the weapons left at the Refuge. I hadn’t heard that before anywhere and don’t remember it being mentioned here (though I’ve missed a few threads).

If true, the obvious interpretation is that they have some illegally modified full-auto weapons and/or explosives out there which gives the Feds a laundry list of charges to throw at these creeps.

They also don’t want to be arrested and they want a plane and ONE MILLION DOLLARS

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:03:28am

re: #169 gwangung

But for the ones left, the ones not currently facing charges, trying to leave with the weapons could open them up to weapons charges which is what I suspect they’re worried about in part.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:04:09am

re: #141 Eventual Carrion

And if that proves to be true, I would want them all charged with terrorism.

They should be charged with terrorism because of how they treated the community. If the people in the community were terrorized, which many were, that is, by definition, terrorism.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:06:41am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

My issue really isn’t with Sanders’ agenda in itself. I just have been disappointed with how he expects to pass his reforms. Like for example, he has said he won’t do much for downticket candidates. Honestly, I think that’s narrow minded of him. Plus, he thinks that when Republicans in Congress inevitably vote down his legislation, the people’s response will be to just vote them out or protest to force them into acting. Again, I think he’s being short sighted there. The idealist in me loves Bernie but the pragmatist in me knows that his approach would make him ineffective.

Sanders is our Ron Paul, our Crazy Uncle Liberty. He’s a guy who has no plan for how to make his ideals become reality, but that doesn’t stop him from trying to sell us on those ideals. He insists (and his supporters maintain) that if he’s elected, that means he got there because people support what he’s selling and they’ll run those who oppose him out of office. In the real world, if Sanders won, it would be largely on votes like myself and others who just didn’t want a President Trump. And I don’t think, I know that his supporters will either not bother to show up during the midterms or will…but will refuse to vote for an “establishment” candidate and instead either write-in somebody who’s not running or vote for a third party candidate who won’t command anywhere near enough votes to overcome the Republicans voting for an anti-Bernie candidate.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:06:47am

re: #167 Whack-A-Mole

I just read in an article on the Atlantic that one of the sticking points with the remaining militants is that they don’t want the Feds to check the weapons left at the Refuge. I hadn’t heard that before anywhere and don’t remember it being mentioned here (though I’ve missed a few threads).

If true, the obvious interpretation is that they have some illegally modified full-auto weapons and/or explosives out there which gives the Feds a laundry list of charges to throw at these creeps.

I doubt it is that well thought out. Remember, these idiots deny the very authority of the federal government. As far as they’re concerned, they have committed no crime. They’re LARPing in a world where they’re freedom fighters and in the right, fighting against tyranny. They’re not concerned about whether their weapons incriminate them. If that point from the Atlantic is true, I think, unbelievable as this sounds, the more likely explanation is that they don’t want the sanctity of their guns violated by oppressors. You know, sort of like how people might want the women and children to go free first. Except in this case they want the innocent guns to be freed, because guns are more precious than anything in their world.

That’s not snark, nor is it an off the cuff exaggeration of their stupidity. I do think that’s their hierarchy of values.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:07:00am

re: #169 gwangung

That’s like worrying about your broken laptop when a tornado has trashed your entire home.

Except I think 3 of the 4 remaining weren’t going to have charges files. Could that change if the Feds find out there are explosives or fully automatic weapons?

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Testy Toad T  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:07:59am

re: #179 Targetpractice

(thinks about creating new account to double-upding)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:11:38am

re: #182 Testy Toad T

(thinks about creating new account to double-upding)

I have suggested that Charles should build in one “mega-upding” feature, one which you could use, say, once per week that would allow you to give multiple updings to a particularly good post.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:11:43am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart

He had to end it all with “Fed set up, crisis actors”

No, he didn’t. That’s not the whole thing, which is why I posted the Facebook link.

Some key parts:

No wonder we’re laughed at.. (well not you…it’s the militia who’s going to take the brunt of the fall for this one…thanks…thanks a lot.)

I think its high time the militia distances itself from the so called patriot movement until such time that these people can learn a little discretion and more importantly some level of restraint.

Here’s just a bit of advice from a Militia CO who has the lives of his people in his hands… You want ME to act and place MY peoples lives on the line? Well first… how about you give me some SOLID VERIFIABLE intelligence first instead of a bunch of ridiculous speculation? Just a thought…

BOOM!

And on a final note… I was passed this video as I was typing this… apparently the three “militia” members who (who btw,made my newest recruits look like seasoned Navy SEALS) were running the live feed were what seems to be supposed crisis actors.. beforeitsnews.com

… now this poses some serious questions that all you keyboard warriors will no doubt NOT look into… like was this entire thing a set up? How many other crisis actors were involved? was this all a setup to finally get the Bundy’s? How did all of the people I outed as feds or fed assets avoid getting hit by this hail of gunfire? where the hell did Blaine Cooper disappear to? Why was Ritzheimer in Arizona when this all went down..and what made him go turn himself in?

As for Ritzheimer…that was my first tweet when this went down. Why was he not there? He of the biggest mouth out there…the top supporter…the key lieutenant?

I can’t believe I am saying this, but this militia guy sounds reasonable and thoughtful.

That scares me. Really scares me.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:15:51am

re: #151 WhatEVs

There was an article the other day (that I cannot find) where the author says the defense is pretty screwed since these geniuses documented everything; threats, guns, destruction, etc., etc., etc.

I wish I could find that article. It made me chuckle. These guys were really the Keystone Cops of criminals.

Here it is - latimes.com

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:16:24am

re: #184 WhatEVs

Just for clarification, I read this militia guy was not supporting the thesis that these were crisis actors (signing waivers) but FBI agents. Which I think is entirely possible.

At least I hope so. This is how they get HUMINT.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:17:02am

re: #184 WhatEVs

No, he didn’t. That’s not the whole thing, which is why I posted the Facebook link.

Some key parts:

BOOM!

As for Ritzheimer…that was my first tweet when this went down. Why was he not there? He of the biggest mouth out there…the top supporter…the key lieutenant?

I can’t believe I am saying this, but this militia guy sounds reasonable and thoughtful.

That scares me. Really scares me.

Occam’s Razor: Ritzheimer and Cooper ran away because they are pansy ass chickenshits. They are too mentally unstable to be reliable double agents.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:17:05am

re: #185 makeitstop

Damn, man. How’d you find that? I Googled like 20 different phrases.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:00am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Sanders is our Ron Paul, our Crazy Uncle Liberty. He’s a guy who has no plan for how to make his ideals become reality, but that doesn’t stop him from trying to sell us on those ideals. He insists (and his supporters maintain) that if he’s elected, that means he got there because people support what he’s selling and they’ll run those who oppose him out of office. In the real world, if Sanders won, it would be largely on votes like myself and others who just didn’t want a President Trump. And I don’t think, I know that his supporters will either not bother to show up during the midterms or will…but will refuse to vote for an “establishment” candidate and instead either write-in somebody who’s not running or vote for a third party candidate who won’t command anywhere near enough votes to overcome the Republicans voting for an anti-Bernie candidate.

Spot on. I didn’t agree with your Paul analogy but the more I see from him and his supporters the more I agree.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:01am

re: #187 The Vicious Babushka

I agree to a degree. :-)

If I was looking for HUMINT, Ritzi would be just what I would want..a foot in the “Patriot” movement and a foot in the anti-Muslim movement. Well known in both. Trusted by nuts.

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japa21  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:21am

re: #177 Whack-A-Mole

Personally, I don’t have any problem with the Feds saying they won’t examine the weaponry, etc. when they get there. However, the Feds could request, I think, assistance from the OSP and have them examine the weapons and make the determinations as to legality, etc and then provide the Feds the info.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:22am

Were UPS and Fedex drivers allowed into the refuge to deliver all the packages of dildos and report back to the FBI & local law enforcement, or did the “militants” drive into town to pick up their dildo donations?

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:35am

re: #188 WhatEVs

Damn, man. How’d you find that? I Googled like 20 different phrases.

I read it last night, it was still in my browser history.

I was looking for ‘defense attorney’s worst nightmare’ because that was the money qote, but nothing came up for it.

Yay, browser history!

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:53am

re: #185 makeitstop

Here it is - latimes.com

This was what I was looking for (thanks, makeitstop!):

The government’s 31-page affidavit in support of the complaint against the eight occupiers is chock-full of their own words. It’s enough to make a defense attorney weep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:19:58am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

Were UPS and Fedex drivers allowed into the refuge to deliver all the packages of dildos and report back to the FBI & local law enforcement, or did the “militants” drive into town to pick up their dildo donations?

They were just going in to fetch replacement batteries…

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:20:35am

HaHa.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:20:40am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

Were UPS and Fedex drivers allowed into the refuge to deliver all the packages of dildos and report back to the FBI & local law enforcement, or did the “militants” drive into town to pick up their dildo donations?

There was a FedEx van pictured at the refuge entrance one day.

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:21:10am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

Were UPS and Fedex drivers allowed into the refuge to deliver all the packages of dildos and report back to the FBI & local law enforcement, or did the “militants” drive into town to pick up their dildo donations?

Huh. If they were, I’d bet they were questioned by FBI to get eyewitness intelligence. Bet those genius militia never thought of that.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:21:46am

re: #193 makeitstop

I was looking for ‘defense attorney’s worst nightmare’ because that was the money qote, but nothing came up for it.

That was one of mine, too. Yay for browser history, indeed. I think I read it on my phone…on a real, live computer today.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:23:41am

re: #184 WhatEVs

What hail of gunfire?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:23:44am

Honestly back to Sanders, does anyone know who his key adviers are? I can get a good idea of what’s going if I know who the advisers are. I think good advisers really help candidates. Axelrod and Plouffe for Obama contrasted with Wolfson for Clinton I think really went a long way.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:24:47am

re: #196 Tigger2

HaHa.

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Saw another funny one. You know those “Which ___ are you?” Ringo apparently took which Beatle are you and got John and his FB response was “Well this is some bullshit.” I do like Sir Paul and Ringo. I wish John and George were still here with us.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:24:58am

Ana Marie Cox watched the debate so you didn’t have to, and she gave out grades:

Ben Carson

Style: Impressively somnambulant. His first answer began, “You’re not going to hear a lot of polished speech from me,” and that was as coherent as he got. Brought the world the vision of “Putin, a one-horse country; oil,” a real string of words said on a real stage at a real debate by a real candidate.

Substance: Invoked “the 2 a.m. phone call,” because that’s a worse crisis than the 3 a.m. phone call — and because he will actually still be in a deep sleep when he answers. Hates political correctness, immigration, immigrants, not in that order. Something about inviting terrorists to dinner parties — like Obama, I guess. Also noted that he’s against government regulations, especially regarding sentence coherence spinach clown shoe propane gambling.

Grade: A sandwich made of dice.

Note: Dr. Real Ben Carson is apparently still in the race.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:25:37am

re: #200 Belafon

What hail of gunfire?

He was saying that there was no hail of gunfire. He is tearing down that girl’s supposed account of what happened:

Then we have the 120 bullets fired at the car that hit no one but Lavoy and Ryan Bundy. (ever seen what a 5.56 round will do to a car.?..probably not) I actually had someone show the sheer mental ineptness to try to argue with me that all the bullets hit the engine block. Because obviously FBI agents and state troopers NEVER train with their weapons. Her story has more holes in it that the vehicle she says was “riddled” with bullets. But the patriot community treated this thing like the freeking bible. Indisputable truth… give me a break.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:25:50am

re: #192 The Vicious Babushka

Were UPS and Fedex drivers allowed into the refuge to deliver all the packages of dildos and report back to the FBI & local law enforcement, or did the “militants” drive into town to pick up their dildo donations?

Hell it could have even been FBI agents in UPS and Fedex uniforms.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:27:55am

re: #204 WhatEVs

Thanks.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:28:30am

re: #205 Tigger2

Hell it could have even been FBI agents in UPS and Fedex uniforms.

That was what I would have thought. I don’t think you could send in unarmed citizens who might be taken hostage. They had to be agents.

Could you imagine the liability to USP or FedEx? I highly doubt that employees from either company drove in to the refuge.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:29:03am

re: #205 Tigger2

Hell it could have even been FBI agents in UPS and Fedex uniforms.

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:30:07am

Nobody is answering the phones at the refuge.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:30:55am

At the link is the most awesome, disgusting description of creatures in nature that I have ever read. Also, photos and a video. The link is there, I shall refrain from samples. Do not click if you don’t like bugs or do like frogs.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:31:18am

re: #203 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ana Marie Cox watched the debate so you didn’t have to, and she gave out grades:

Note: Dr. Real Ben Carson is apparently still in the race.

Driftglass also did one of his famous (paraphrased) recaps…

Megyn Kelly: Immigration! Here are some clips from you, Marco Rubio opposing immigration. And then you flipped.

Marco Rubio: The past never happened so shut up. We’re not going to act like the Tyrant Obama!

Megyn Kelly is now debating Marco Rubio.

Jeb Bush: I’m confused. Marco was for this thing and then he cut and run because the wingnuts were against it. I wrote a book about it. It’s called “George Who?”

Marco Rubio: I never did nuthin.

Jeb Bush: Cut n’ run! Cut n’ run!

Marco Rubio: Throat ramming!

Megyn Kelly: Ted Cruz, you lied like a dog about your own amendment. Here’s a buncha clips.

Megyn Kelly: Was it all an act?

Ted Cruz: Jeff Sessions loves me and held me through all those dark and terrible nights.

Rand Paul: I was there and saw the debate. Ted is a lying sack of shit.

Ted Cruz: President John Adams loves me and held me through all those dark and terrible nights. You know who hates all of us real Conservatives? Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama. And Chuck Schumer.

Marco Rubio: I must agree. Ted is a lying shit-weasel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:32:52am

re: #207 WhatEVs

That was what I would have thought. I don’t think you could send in unarmed citizens who might be taken hostage. They had to be agents.

Could you imagine the liability to USP or FedEx? I highly doubt that employees from either company drove in to the refuge.

Isn’t it a crime to impersonate a UPS deliveryman?

/

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:34:53am

re: #184 WhatEVs

No, he didn’t. That’s not the whole thing, which is why I posted the Facebook link.

Some key parts:

BOOM!

As for Ritzheimer…that was my first tweet when this went down. Why was he not there? He of the biggest mouth out there…the top supporter…the key lieutenant?

I can’t believe I am saying this, but this militia guy sounds reasonable and thoughtful.

That scares me. Really scares me.

He most certainly did end by asserting the entire refuge takeover was a possibly a Fed set up.
As for Ritzheimer, so what, Finicum went to Utah last week, and the leadership had be leaving the area throughout the occupation. The Bundy brothers disappeared for several days midway through

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bratwurst  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:35:02am

Yep:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Isn’t it a crime to impersonate a UPS deliveryman?

/

Now I’m thinking of that South Park episode where Gerald and Sheila did sexytime roleplaying as UPS Man and Housewife Getting A Package.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:36:44am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

I read it differently. He is saying that he thinks there were infiltrators. What the “Patriots” are talking about are people who were actual actors, acting the part, as in the moon walk was staged.

That’s how I read it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:37:21am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nobody is answering the phones at the refuge.

They’re out to lunch.

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TedStriker  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:37:58am

re: #38 mroop

He wasn’t trying to ram law enforcement. He was trying to get around the road block. Let’s not be like them. If you watch closely you can see the officer run out and almost run in front of the vehicle.

The cop jumped out to the side most likely because Finicum’s truck was coming straight for the truck he was standing behind at full speed and didn’t swerve for the snowbank until the last second.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:39:04am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

He most certainly did end by asserting the entire refuge takeover was a possibly a Fed set up.
As for Ritzheimer, so what, Finicum went to Utah last week, and the leadership had be leaving the area throughout the occupation. The Bundy brothers disappeared for several days midway through

They’re all crisis actors. There is no patriot movement. It’s all a marketing ploy of the Dildo Council.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:40:11am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

They’re all crisis actors. There is no patriot movement. It’s all a marketing ploy of the Dildo Council.

I am so stealing that and Tweeting it.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:40:16am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

They’re all crisis actors. There is no patriot movement. It’s all a marketing ploy of the Dildo Council.

No Snack Mountain takes an even more interesting turn.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:40:31am

re: #218 TedStriker

The cop jumped out to the side most likely because Finicum’s truck was coming straight for the truck he was standing behind at full speed and didn’t swerve for the snowbank until the last second.

I was going back and forth with some lady over that until I get feed up and blocked her.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:41:16am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nobody is answering the phones at the refuge.

Talking on the phone is lame. Send a text or email.

/

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:41:21am

re: #211 makeitstop

Driftglass also did one of his famous (paraphrased) recaps…

Driftglass with Ben Carson stream of consciousness

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:41:29am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

I am so stealing that and Tweeting it.

You can be my Vicar on Tweet.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:41:54am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

They’re all crisis actors. There is no patriot movement. It’s all a marketing ploy of the Dildo Council.

NDO - New Dildo Order

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:42:02am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

He most certainly did end by asserting the entire refuge takeover was a possibly a Fed set up.

Because no True Patriots would be that inept or bungling…

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:48:06am

I always read comments. I love comments.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:49:47am

re: #228 WhatEVs

I always read comments. I love comments.

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Comments are the only window to the national soul.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:51:24am

re: #228 WhatEVs

I always read comments. I love comments.

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I bet the NSA and the FBI like the comments to. lol

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:51:26am

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Comments are the only window to the national soul.

I was a psych major. I have this pathological need to read comments. I am enthralled by how people think - or don’t but think they do.

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mmmirele  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:52:05am

re: #127 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHY SHOULDS WOMENS GET TEH SAME PAY WHEN THAY TAKES MOAR TIMES OFF TO HAV BABBIES & TAKES CARE OFF THERE BABIES!!!!1!!!*

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*Actual argument presented to me by “Proud Non-Feminist Conservative Woman” silly bint Inez Felscher

Some of us have never taken time off to have the babbies because we have no babbies, but we’re still women and we deserve to be paid the same. (For the record, my evil too big to fail employer does go through an equalization process every year and adjusts pay upward if things are getting out of whack. I’ve gotten a few unexpected raises that way.)

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:52:20am

re: #19 nines09

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Those appear to be harmless Ball Pythons. The snakes at the RNC are venomous.

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No Depression  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:52:36am

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

NDO - New Dildo Order

Is their best-selling dildo named “Blue Monday” by chance?

New Order - Blue Monday lyrics

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:54:32am

I love the:

They were protecting your freedoms!!!!!!

line of reasoning their idiot supporters are going with? Uh. Exactly what freedoms of mine were these fools protecting?

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:56:21am

re: #158 mroop

They’ll be treated as martyrs even if they’re sentenced to a year in prison. The kind and seriousness of their crimes amounts to a life sentence, and should be treated as such.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 9:57:01am

re: #231 WhatEVs

I was a psych major. I have this pathological need to read comments. I am enthralled by how people think - or don’t but think they do.

That’s what brought me here, lurking for a year or so before registering. Still visit a list of sites via cache.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:00:24am

re: #65 Great White Snark

Face it-Many of the same folks who insist this guy was murdered by the police would be very quick to believe a police officer who shot a black guy making the same assertion without any video to help.

There’s a culture war going on right now, and it’s now openly racists vs. civilized people. I’m pretty confident the racists are stupid losers, but too many Americans identify with that type.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:00:53am

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:01:44am

Anyone know what happened to Goat-Horn, The Fake Juice and Ginger the Sumo Teabagger?

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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:02:26am

Jon McNaughton’s latest painting.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:03:23am

re: #240 Dave In Austin

Anyone know what happened to Goat-Horn, The Fake Juice and Ginger the Sumo Teabagger?

They got picked up for the National Geographic Channel summer season.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:04:07am

re: #239 WhatEVs

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LOL. Translation: I love the military and law enforcement….just as long as they are murdering browns and blacks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:04:55am

re: #238 No Country For Old Haters

There’s a culture war going on right now, and it’s now openly racists vs. civilized people. I’m pretty confident the racists are stupid losers, but too many Americans identify with that type.

It’s our odd American sense of equality and democracy: their stupidity is every bit as good as your knowledge

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:07:10am

I have a really weird law sitch if any legal eagles know what kind of resources are available or somewhere to start: Nursing school classmate of mine from Maine has lived in Jersey for about 5 years. Back in his younger days, he had some things that turned up on his background check. (Cultivating marijuana. DUI, failure to sign a summons) All from Maine, from 2008 and 2009. OK so in order to get a job he is finding he needs to do something about this stuff. Short story long he contacts somebody in Maine and found out he was supposed to be on parole. They want him to come back. He isn’t working yet so he doesn’t have much money right now. I am hoping to come up with a better suggestion that head for the hills.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:08:15am

re: #245 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have a really weird law sitch if any legal eagles know what kind of resources are available or somewhere to start: Nursing school classmate of mine from Maine has lived in Jersey for about 5 years. Back in his younger days, he had some things that turned up on his background check. (Cultivating marijuana. DUI, failure to sign a summons) All from Maine, from 2008 and 2009. OK so in order to get a job he is finding he needs to do something about this stuff. Short story long he contacts somebody in Maine and found out he was supposed to be on parole. They want him to come back. He isn’t working yet so he doesn’t have much money right now. I am hoping to come up with a better suggestion that head for the hills.

Head for Oregon and bring a tarp!!!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:08:34am

re: #245 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have a really weird law sitch if any legal eagles know what kind of resources are available or somewhere to start: Nursing school classmate of mine from Maine has lived in Jersey for about 5 years. Back in his younger days, he had some things that turned up on his background check. (Cultivating marijuana. DUI, failure to sign a summons) All from Maine, from 2008 and 2009. OK so in order to get a job he is finding he needs to do something about this stuff. Short story long he contacts somebody in Maine and found out he was supposed to be on parole. They want him to come back. He isn’t working yet so he doesn’t have much money right now. I am hoping to come up with a better suggestion that head for the hills.

Storefront poverty law clinic?

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:09:54am

re: #210 wrenchwench

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At the link is the most awesome, disgusting description of creatures in nature that I have ever read. Also, photos and a video. The link is there, I shall refrain from samples. Do not click if you don’t like bugs or do like frogs.

That’s about the creepiest thing ever.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:11:31am

re: #248 Mike Lamb

That’s about the creepiest thing ever.

Too weird to be part of creation. There must be evolution.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:11:49am

re: #159 Mattand

There’s a whole shit show going on right over Dawkins’ latest series of tweets. It got him disinvited from an upcoming skeptics conference. The run down is here.

I’ve never got around to reading any of Dawkins’ books. I’m kind of glad I didn’t now, seeing what kind of clueless asshole he’s become. It sucks, too, because there’s always an undercurrent of “Heh, fuck those atheists, God is showing us they’re terrible” whenever he fucks up.

It’s amazing how many people view him as the leader of every non-believer in the world, when it takes less than five minutes to show more and more people are washing their hands of him.

I just think of him as the guy who was lucky enough to persuade Lalla Ward to marry him.

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Skip Intro  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:12:41am

Some bad news for Donald Trump’s favorite black preacher.

State Court Orders Harlem Hate Church Be Placed At Public Auction Over Unpaid Bills

The church that thinks “Jesus would stone homos” is scheduled to be put up for public auction next month because their pastor hasn’t paid his debts.

A state judge ordered Atlah Worldwide Church to be sold at a public foreclosure auction after failing to pay creditors more than $1.02 million, court records show.

Church leader Pastor James Manning said in a phone conversation with DNAinfo New York that the foreclosure was mostly over unpaid water and sewage bills and vowed to fight the order, claiming his church’s tax exempt status means he doesn’t have to pay.

“I assure you, it’s about a water bill and a tax that can’t be levied against this church,” Manning said. “I think it’s a land grab quite frankly.” What Manning didn’t say is that there are nine federal tax liens against him totaling more than $355,000 from as far back as 2002. He also owes New York State for more than $28,000 and other creditors more than $30,000, public records show.

joemygod.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:14:03am

This morning, I was thinking about how stupid these guys were to so carefully document their crimes, and share them so freely with the world, so that the prosecuting attorneys can so easily prepare an airtight case using their own words and images.

I suddenly thought of Gil Scott-Heron’s poem, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”, and I thought, “No, but it will be live-streamed.”

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:16:27am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

This morning, I was thinking about how stupid these guys were to so carefully document their crimes, and share them so freely with the world, so that the prosecuting attorneys can so easily prepare an airtight case using their own words and images.

I suddenly thought of Gil Scott-Heron’s poem, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”, and I thought, “No, but it will be live-streamed.”

Put it to music.

Gil Scott-Heron - Revolution Will Not Be Televised (Official Version)

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:16:30am

re: #172 WhatEVs

I get it. My point was, depending on how the defense presents it, some ONE on a jury might take that side (the way Lawhawk presented it [sorry LH], I would have). One hangout creates a situation I do not want. I want these guys behind bars, with certainty by the jury, that they deserve to spend their remaining (or mostly remaining) days far, far away from society.

No apology needed. The jury’s going to hear spins on versions of the events. The defense will argue that he panicked and then drove into the ditch to avoid killing any cops at the roadblock. He doesn’t have to offer actual proof - only sow doubt as to the facts/circumstances provided by prosecutors. And a defense attorney would try to sow doubt. That’s all they have to do.

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:19:05am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

This morning, I was thinking about how stupid these guys were to so carefully document their crimes, and share them so freely with the world, so that the prosecuting attorneys can so easily prepare an airtight case using their own words and images.

I suddenly thought of Gil Scott-Heron’s poem, “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised”, and I thought, “No, but it will be live-streamed.”

The stupidity continues.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:19:20am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

This morning, I was thinking about how stupid these guys were to so carefully document their crimes, and share them so freely with the world, so that the prosecuting attorneys can so easily prepare an airtight case using their own words and images.

A result of their sugar high from Bundy Ranch. They truly believed they were untouchable.

Dopes.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:20:00am

re: #245 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have a really weird law sitch if any legal eagles know what kind of resources are available or somewhere to start: Nursing school classmate of mine from Maine has lived in Jersey for about 5 years. Back in his younger days, he had some things that turned up on his background check. (Cultivating marijuana. DUI, failure to sign a summons) All from Maine, from 2008 and 2009. OK so in order to get a job he is finding he needs to do something about this stuff. Short story long he contacts somebody in Maine and found out he was supposed to be on parole. They want him to come back. He isn’t working yet so he doesn’t have much money right now. I am hoping to come up with a better suggestion that head for the hills.

Call the county bar association in Maine in the county where the charges originated. Ask them if they have a reduced fee plan for low income people and can refer him to an attorney. You can also check out this link.

courts.maine.gov

He is going to need an attorney and he wants to find one in the county where his problems arose. Get on the phone and the internet and start making calls. He should also be looking into whether he will have problems becoming a nurse with these charges because that can definitely be a problem. I had a nursing student with a heroin possession charge and she was very concerned about her license. He should have investigated these issues before going to nursing school.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:20:26am

After checking out my old Bowsite stomping grounds this morning, I’ve concluded that for most folks the FBI video is pretty clear, and shows Finicum brought about his own demise. Some even pointed out that they were damned lucky, in fleeing the initial stop, not to have been completely peppered with bullets at the roadblock.

But there are, of course, holdouts who say things like “Maybe he was already shot, and was reaching to put his hand on the wound!”

Everything now is a Rashomon moment, where even the most simple and clear things leave the audience divided, with some seeing exactly what they want to see.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:21:02am

re: #254 lawhawk

No apology needed. The jury’s going to hear spins on versions of the events. The defense will argue that he panicked and then drove into the ditch to avoid killing any cops at the roadblock. He doesn’t have to offer actual proof - only sow doubt as to the facts/circumstances provided by prosecutors. And a defense attorney would try to sow doubt. That’s all they have to do.

Right. And that’s their job, so I would fully expect them to defend their client with everything they had. That’s how it works (whether I like it sometimes or not. ;-) That’s why I don’t think adding on those charges makes sense.

At this point, their defense is going to have to counter everything these guys did to themselves in stunning color and often-crisp sound.

Just my humble, non-attorney take on it.

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Jay C  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:21:56am
Zulu time is eight hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST). Therefore, although this footage was taken on January 26, 2016 in Oregon, the date/time stamp on the video shows just after midnight January 27, 2016.

That means these vids are FAKE!! Isn’t “Zulu Time” what they use in KENYA??!! That PROVES it!!!! PROVES IT!!!!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:24:45am

re: #260 Jay C

Actually, it should be referred to by its proper nomenclature, UTC (Coordinated Universal Time, formally known as Greenwich Mean Time)

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:25:38am

re: #259 WhatEVs

Prosecutors will prioritize the charges and the likelihood of success. They’re going to indict with the strongest charges, and might use some as bargaining chips to force a plea deal - say 30 years rather than life in prison, treating charges concurrently versus consecutively, etc.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:30:44am

re: #262 lawhawk

Prosecutors will prioritize the charges and the likelihood of success. They’re going to indict with the strongest charges, and might use some as bargaining chips to force a plea deal - say 30 years rather than life in prison, treating charges concurrently versus consecutively, etc.

Do you think these guys will plead? I can’t see that…they want their day in court and their additional 15 minutes of media attention.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:32:06am

re: #251 Skip Intro

Wasn’t there something in the Bible about “render unto Caesar…” ?

/

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danarchy  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:35:06am

re: #249 wrenchwench

Too weird to be part of creation. There must be evolution.

Nah, at one point one of those frogs did something to really piss off god and that was his revenge. Hey if you buy fire and brimstone and pillars of salt, why not flesh melting larvae.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:39:25am

re: #257 mroop

Thanks for the start. I can at least point him somewhere. He’s a complicated guy who’s burned just about every bridge he ever crossed. However, nursing means a lot to him. I’d want him at my mother’s bedside.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:39:28am

re: #263 WhatEVs

Some of them might. Especially if they’re given option of 20 years versus life. The Bundy brothers? I doubt they’d take plea. They’ll probably appeal and engage in lawfare until they turn blue in face. And lose at every step too.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:40:25am

re: #265 danarchy

Nah, at one point one of those frogs did something to really piss off god and that was his revenge. Hey if you buy fire and brimstone and pillars of salt, why not flesh melting larvae.

Spoiler alert!

I think that qualifies as a pun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:41:38am
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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:43:20am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please let the gods smile down on us and provide us with more video of Sean Spittle Man Anderson.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:45:50am

Heh.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:45:58am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sean Anderson says LaVoy Finicum’s death is like “another waco.” Says he’s “ready for them.”
— John Sepulvado

Is Anderson at the compound or is he just another wingnut mouthing off on the Internets?

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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:46:32am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

That Anderson guy think pretty highly of himself, Mr Superman he’s not.

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ausador  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:47:16am

Sigh…of course…

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:47:25am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is Anderson at the compound or is he just another wingnut mouthing off on the Internets?

I believe he’s the one at the compound, and if that’s him, he’s the only one of the four remaining that is currently facing charges.

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Jenner7  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:48:58am

msnbc.com

Apologies if posted before, just skimmed through thread. Rachel revealed that his website, donaldtrumpforvets.com, that’s taking these donations that go directly to his foundation, was just created yesterday morning.

Also, he said he raised 6 million last night, when the website says only 620,000.

donaldtrumpforvets.com

Shady stuff. He has a pattern of this. I’m sure the media will pick up on this.

Ha!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:50:11am

The Toledo Zoo announced Thursday that Crystal, a 16-year-old polar bear, gave birth to a cuddly cub on Dec. 3.
Toledo Zoo releases adorable vid of new polar bear cub

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:51:59am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart

Just another teen mom…thanks Obama!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:53:22am

I bet Oregon is like “will you stupid fucks please leave our state already?”

I always figured the Militia nonsense would start in Arizona or Texas or Alabama. Never would I have guessed Oregon.

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FourEyeFreckleFace  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:53:59am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

It’s all a marketing ploy of the Dildo Council.

Have to admit, never thought about it like that. HAHAHAHA

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:55:26am

re: #249 wrenchwench

Too weird to be part of creation. There must be evolution.

Or is there intelligence behind it? (The sort of intelligence that can evolve to conquer an entire planet’s ecosystem?)

Egad. Evolution,

/

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:55:31am
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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:55:53am
Retreating Clinton Campaign Torches Iowa Town To Slow Advance Of Sanders Volunteers

HUMBOLDT, IA—After making sure to douse every home, farm, and business located in the municipality with gasoline, retreating Clinton campaign staffers reportedly set the central Iowa town of Humboldt ablaze Friday to stem the advance of Bernie Sanders volunteers. “Once we received word the Sanders campaign had begun canvassing in nearby Fort Dodge, we only had a matter of hours to burn everything to the ground,” said communications director Jennifer Palmieri, who tossed a lit torch through the window of the town’s hardware store before rushing over to help a group of Hillary for America workers erect a roadblock made of dead livestock to prevent all entrance to and exit from the city. “With so little time left before voting day, we simply can’t allow them to establish a foothold in this part of the state. Besides, you can’t convince anyone to caucus for Bernie Sanders if the civilian population is gone and all that’s left is smoldering rubble.” At press time, Clinton campaign staffers were spotted rigging a nearby bridge with C-4 as they hastily retreated to Algona.

theonion.com

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:57:36am

re: #251 Skip Intro

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA(breath)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

Couldn’t be happening to a better guy.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:58:06am

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet Oregon is like “will you stupid fucks please leave our state already?”

I always figured the Militia nonsense would start in Arizona or Texas or Alabama. Never would I have guessed Oregon.

The militants were probably counting on that element of surprise, while failing to anticipate the lack of local support.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:58:49am

re: #276 Jenner7

msnbc.com

Apologies if posted before, just skimmed through thread. Rachel revealed that his website, donaldtrumpforvets.com, that’s taking these donations that go directly to his foundation, was just created yesterday morning.

Also, he said he raised 6 million last night, when the website says only 620,000.

donaldtrumpforvets.com

Shady stuff. He has a pattern of this. I’m sure the media will pick up on this.

Ha!

There’s a rumor going around that the real reason he boycotted the debate is that Fox refused to pay him $5 million for his appearance. Also, that the “Veterans group” that Donald is giving this money to is just one guy.

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mroop  Jan 29, 2016 • 10:59:32am

re: #266 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Thanks for the start. I can at least point him somewhere. He’s a complicated guy who’s burned just about every bridge he ever crossed. However, nursing means a lot to him. I’d want him at my mother’s bedside.

Pot charges don’t make you a bad person. I was charged twice. Once I got caught with 2 grams, a triple beam scale, a deli scale and 27K in 20 dollar bills. Then I got caught mailing 9 pounds. With a lot of luck I managed to stay out of prison. I did 71 days in a work furlough center on the second charge. That was an interesting experience.

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20Hz  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:00:57am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is Anderson at the compound or is he just another wingnut mouthing off on the Internets?

Sean Anderson and his wife are 2 of the 4 left at the compound.

Here is Sean a day or two ago threatening LE and Federal Agents:
Video

Sean and Sandy Anderson dancing in front of the trash heap they created at their illegal campsite on the refuge:
Video

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:05:34am

re: #285 wrenchwench

The militants were probably counting on that element of surprise, while failing to anticipate the lack of local support.

“I know a guy there. He says everyone there agrees with us. They just need leadership!”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:07:50am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

He most certainly did end by asserting the entire refuge takeover was a possibly a Fed set up.
As for Ritzheimer, so what, Finicum went to Utah last week, and the leadership had be leaving the area throughout the occupation. The Bundy brothers disappeared for several days midway through

Cocaine and hookers.

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Jenner7  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:08:34am

Nice.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:08:43am

Saw a coworker reading one of those “Clinton’s emails are destroying national security” articles. Trying to decide if it’s even worth the effort to point out that, not only is this a common pos-SoS review, but that they were only released because of the House of Reps.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:09:05am

re: #288 20Hz

Sean Anderson and his wife are 2 of the 4 left at the compound.

Here is Sean a day or two ago threatening LE and Federal Agents:
[Embedded content]

As I understand it, he’s the guy with the moon face and the little piggy eyes, and he’s the one who’s the bone of contention - they’re holding out for him to get off scot free, and the Feds are saying
Nuh-uh.”

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20Hz  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:11:41am

re: #293 Blind Frog Belly White

As I understand it, he’s the guy with the moon face and the little piggy eyes, and he’s the one who’s the bone of contention - they’re holding out for him to get off scot free, and the Feds are saying
Nuh-uh.”

That’s Sean.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:14:06am

He’s the one I’ve been calling “Commando Baby” as others pointed out that he looks like this meme:
MY PANTS ARE FULL OF FRRREEEEDOMMM!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:15:37am
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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:18:01am

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

“I know a guy there. He says everyone there agrees with us. They just need leadership!”

The militants were better at followership. Even when exiting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:18:34am

re: #295 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s the one I’ve been calling “Commando Baby” as others pointed out that he looks like this meme:
MY PANTS ARE FULL OF FRRREEEEDOMMM!!!

I have had mixed feelings about that baby picture meme once I realized that it’s a girl.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:20:25am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:21:15am

Baby Whiplash haz a sad==>

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Kilroy01  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:21:22am

Finicum should have known….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:21:35am

I’m thinking now that where ever the holdouts are, the room is bugged…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:22:19am
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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:23:47am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is Anderson at the compound or is he just another wingnut mouthing off on the Internets?

It’s this guy (the big one). I call him Spittle Man because in this video he completely loses his shit (and it is the goshdarndest funniest thing ever).

littlegreenfootballs.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:24:47am

Baby Whiplash makes this idiotic claim==>

But the myth persists. And Barack Obama will continue to press it forward, even if it hurts women - after all, what company would now go out of its way to hire women, knowing that they will have to pay them more for less work in order to avoid the scrutiny of the federal government?

So he repeating the idiotic talking point that women “work less” I suppose because they take care of families which men are not expected to do?

I put in SHIT TONS OF OVERTIME during my career. Ben can go fuck himself with Carly Fiorina’s dick.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:26:00am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:26:07am

Baby Whiplash is getting his talking points straight from Milo’s ass.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:26:28am

re: #198 gwangung

Huh. If they were, I’d bet they were questioned by FBI to get eyewitness intelligence. Bet those genius militia never thought of that.

Maybe those drivers were FBI agents. If I was a FedEx driver, I wouldn’t have wanted to go there!

Edited to add, I see I was a few emails late with that response! Sorry!

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:30:09am

re: #288 20Hz

Ok, this is gross…apologies in advance.

cl3Ez2JBYTRcJjM6ASwXXImvG/duONDHejqMOR/5tzo+gegqlMTGSG4kt+WZQdvq5vouPhwZwtYx5XpJokBYz/IKGqdRLvjhV/memth6Mia9p9dtQ0Qsa3fc1dIlp4+Wbmph1nNDhQZAFLW6lLDbNyTtRdfU5+LL

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:30:18am

Don’t let the Republican candidates get wind of this. They’ll want to re-activate the handful of museum B-36s, recreate the monster bomb and send it to the Middle East. 42,000 bombs tested this day in 1949.

Facebook Post

The bomb was the T-12 Cloudmaker. Only a few prototypes of which were built. One is preserved, presumably in de-activated condition, at the Aberdeen Proving Ground.
This is still the record for the heaviest bombload released in one flight.

“Presumably” because in 1958, British armorers set out to move a 10 ton Grand Slam bomb that had been displayed for years outside RAF Scampton, only to discover that it was, in fact, still filled with explosive and still had an active fuse. EEEEK! The unwelcome relic was very carefully loaded onto a trailer and transported to a bombing range, where it was rigged with some small demolition charges and destroyed. The main charge did in fact go off when the demolition charges were remotely triggered.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:30:21am

This is where mechs could end the situation quickly.

*clunk clunk clunk*
*knock on door*
“Pizza delivery from Jade Falcon.”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:31:18am

re: #276 Jenner7

msnbc.com

Apologies if posted before, just skimmed through thread. Rachel revealed that his website, donaldtrumpforvets.com, that’s taking these donations that go directly to his foundation, was just created yesterday morning.

Also, he said he raised 6 million last night, when the website says only 620,000.

donaldtrumpforvets.com

Shady stuff. He has a pattern of this. I’m sure the media will pick up on this.

Ha!

He uses Enron accountants.

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:31:54am

re: #301 Kilroy01

Finicum should have known….

Embedded Image

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:32:46am

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash makes this idiotic claim==>

So he repeating the idiotic talking point that women “work less” I suppose because they take care of families which men are not expected to do?

I put in SHIT TONS OF OVERTIME during my career. Ben can go fuck himself with Carly Fiorina’s dick.

Abolitionists and abolitionism just hurts the slaves because their masters get stricter with them…Social Security will just hurt the poor because taxes and job losses….Civil Rights legislation will just hurt blacks because something….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:34:48am
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Kilroy01  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:34:57am

re: #310 Shiplord Kirel

Don’t let the Republican candidates get wind of this. They’ll want to re-activate the handful of museum B-36s, recreate the monster bomb and send it to the Middle East. 42,000 bombs tested this day in 1949.

[Embedded content]

The bomb was the T-12 Cloudmaker. Only a few prototypes of which were built. One is preserved, presumably in de-activated condition, at the Aberdeen Proving Ground.
This is still the record for the heaviest bombload released in one flight.

“Presumably” because in 1958, British armorers set out to move a 10 Grand Slam bomb that had been displayed for years outside RAF Scampton, only to discover that it was, in fact, still filled with explosive and still had an active fuse. EEEEK! The unwelcome relic was very carefully loaded onto a trailer and transported to a bombing range, where it was rigged with some small demolition charges and destroyed. The main charge did in fact go off when the demolition charges were remotely triggered.

You have to hit those block buster bombs.. Just right

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WhatEVs  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:35:04am
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Tigger2  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:35:21am

To me It defiantly looks like he was trying to get his gun out of his pocket or shoulder holster.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:36:17am

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wasn’t actually shot by LE, look at the grassy noll, a BLM activist.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:38:30am

What an evil little motherfucker Baby Whiplash is, just like his boy-crush Milo.

She didn’t sue right away, 1) she was intimidated 2) she didn’t know she had a case
Harassment can go on for YEARS if the victim doesn’t know how to stop it, and is in no condition to look for a better job.

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wrenchwench  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:39:28am
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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:42:47am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart

The Toledo Zoo announced Thursday that Crystal, a 16-year-old polar bear, gave birth to a cuddly cub on Dec. 3.
[Embedded content]

My parents used to take us to the Toledo Zoo, the Cleveland Zoo and the Columbus Zoo as kids. I hadn’t thought about Toledo zoo for a long time. Good to see they are still getting some recognition.

Speaking of Zoos, Columbus Zoo and Aquarium has really grown over the last 30 years. For a long time it was considered one of the top 2 in America, but there are all kinds of rankings. It does seem to make a lot of lists and it sure is treated as one of our jewels.

And “Jungle Jack” Hanna sure helped turn it around in the 80s being all over TV shows like Late Night and the Tonight show, etc.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:43:06am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

What an evil little motherfucker Baby Whiplash is, just like his boy-crush Milo.

She didn’t sue right away, 1) she was intimidated 2) she didn’t know she had a case
Harassment can go on for YEARS if the victim doesn’t know how to stop it, and is in no condition to look for a better job.

[Embedded content]

Why is Shapiro talking about such an old case anyways? This is just another way for Republicans to piss off women voters.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:46:10am

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

There’s a rumor going around that the real reason he boycotted the debate is that Fox refused to pay him $5 million for his appearance. Also, that the “Veterans group” that Donald is giving this money to is just one guy.

I sure hope all of The Donald’s nasty business dealings get the full light treatment if he makes it put of the primaries. Mr. Lump does not deserve to be president by totally hoodwinking the population even if many are too stupid to read up on the real Donald Lump.

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Emoprog Refugee  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:47:17am

re: #175 WhatEVs

I kind of read the judge like this…

Nothing will happen until everyone is gone from the refuge.

Oh, they’re gone? Good.

No bail as they are all flight risks.

IANAL, but considering only one is from Oregon, it seems they are definitely flight risks. There is nothing to tie them to the area, other than wanting to cook more snacks, consume more beer, and commit more acts of vandalism in the bird refuge.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:49:39am

re: #323 Patricia Kayden

Why is Shapiro talking about such an old case anyways? This is just another way for Republicans to piss off women voters.

Because Obama just issued an Executive Order related to the issue of gender pay inequality and whenever Obama says or does something Ben has to complain.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:49:40am

re: #295 Pawn of the Oppressor

He’s the one I’ve been calling “Commando Baby” as others pointed out that he looks like this meme:
MY PANTS ARE FULL OF FRRREEEEDOMMM!!!

I loved the grown up ‘Cabbage Patch Doll” reference a Lizard made yesterday. Can’t remember who it was, but it sure got some updings.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:50:19am

re: #326 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because Obama just issued an Executive Order related to the issue of gender pay inequality and whenever Obama says or does something Ben has to complain.

What a little shitbucket==>

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KerFuFFler  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:51:10am

re: #322 ObserverArt

I used to volunteer at the Toledo Zoo 30 years ago——-live animal demonstrations in their educational programs. I mostly worked with an eastern indigo snake. The room sure got quiet fast when I entered holding a big old snake.

I always wanted to get training for handling the snowy owl but we moved away from Toledo before I ever could.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:52:01am

re: #326 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because Obama just issued an Executive Order related to the issue of gender pay inequality and whenever Obama says or does something Ben has to complain.

Even when one of his kids is in the hospital.

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Jayleia  Jan 29, 2016 • 11:54:41am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

AAAHHHHH!!! MENTAL IMAGE! DO NOT WANT!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2016 • 12:01:05pm

re: #329 KerFuFFler

I used to volunteer at the Toledo Zoo 30 years ago——-live animal demonstrations in their educational programs. I mostly worked with an eastern indigo snake. The room sure got quiet fast when I entered holding a big old snake.

I always wanted to get training for handling the snowy owl but we moved away from Toledo before I ever could.

We used to be members of the Bay Area Reptile Society (we’re lizard lovers), and there was a member who would bring his adult Burmese Python to meetings. It would wonder around the audience. He’d come up over your shoulder, look at you and keep on moving.

Mind you, you had to be cool with a snake as thick as your arm gliding over your shoulder and across your lap. But if you weren’t cool with it, you’d probably not be there.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2016 • 12:05:19pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

My parents used to take us to the Toledo Zoo, the Cleveland Zoo and the Columbus Zoo as kids. I hadn’t thought about Toledo zoo for a long time. Good to see they are still getting some recognition.

Speaking of Zoos, Columbus Zoo and Aquarium has really grown over the last 30 years. For a long time it was considered one of the top 2 in America, but there are all kinds of rankings. It does seem to make a lot of lists and it sure is treated as one of our jewels.

And “Jungle Jack” Hanna sure helped turn it around in the 80s being all over TV shows like Late Night and the Tonight show, etc.

Yep, not a Hanna fan, but he definitely raised the quality and image of the Columbus Zoo.

Atop3/AcMhhx6L/vkK3bQ71wtWAN8HEYcnLp5yrE+XTMgR5h6aM5WVylQSpZ8WYH+lmnUENL0K4PBrWP2eger2ZoTJz8aLvOIcwQ9k5KErkZfeOwdKVZISMuowv82RosyFuLlgUZ5FY8wEIAMHuSht1TT03TZRiiimrDMMjLsikVTrAKYinJUtH/xmrIbZiAP7gAzEb+U6u1EuXeCYS4XjI3MkFtNnsuJxvc7MqZO5Ok5E87R07i2C5SL7XCWFiPOD9bf/18CldsZmBk2xTJYnfOnyYrmZuC2JE7eUBsPV1gW3O/sPT7ug==

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PeterWolf  Jan 29, 2016 • 6:22:41pm

Watching the comments section on the Fox News article with this video was interesting. Watching the wingnuts try to spin the video into a premeditated execution was mind bending. It simply had to be a conspiracy to murder. And the victim, well he did nothing wrong at all. There was no gun in his hand, so why was he shot. And we even got the now familiar refrain, he was shot with his hands up. These were of course people supportive of the whole sovereign citizen, militia and ranchers disenfranchised by the BLM/federal gov thing. And, the occupiers of the refuge did nothing wrong, presented no threat, etc. Only in wingnut land.

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Sophist: Make America Grate Again  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:38:49pm

re: #38 mroop

He wasn’t trying to ram law enforcement. He was trying to get around the road block. Let’s not be like them. If you watch closely you can see the officer run out and almost run in front of the vehicle.

Yeah, because there was a fucking truck headed for the car he was behind. He didn’t swerve until the last moment, and I guess the officer didn’t think he was gonna.

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PeterWolf  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:50:02pm

For those who might want to dissect it, the Oregonian has a slowed down version of the shooting.

And looking at that, I’m not so sure he actually gets his hands up so much as outstretched.

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Sophist: Make America Grate Again  Jan 29, 2016 • 7:53:09pm

re: #72 mroop

I agree. At first I was thinking maybe the sniper was running out to take a shot through the windshield.

…you’re joking, right? That only works in Call of Duty.

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mroop  Jan 30, 2016 • 7:10:54am

re: #337 Sophist: Make America Grate Again

…you’re joking, right? That only works in Call of Duty.

What is Call of Duty?


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