Ted Cruz Supporter Phil Robertson: “Rid the Earth Of” Gay Marriage Supporters

Cruz calls him “joyful”
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This is where Republican politics has ended up in 2016 — outright hate speech and bigotry on the national stage, in a presidential race. And it’s come to be just expected, normal behavior from conservatives.

Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson (looking more like Osama bin Laden at every appearance) has endorsed Ted Cruz, because he obviously found the candidate who most embodies his own values — the values of virulent homophobia and murderous intent. Yesterday, while campaigning for Cruz, Robertson ranted angrily that marriage equality is a sign of “depravity” and “perversion,” and said, “We have to rid the earth of them.”

And following this horrible speech, Ted Cruz took the stage and praised Robertson as “a joyful, cheerful, unapologetic voice of truth.”

(Via Right Wing Watch.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:26:28pm

Yes, joyful. Joyful for polices that Nazi Germany would be proud of. Fuck Phil Robertson and fuck Ted Cruz. And these bigots have the nerve to claim they’re the persecuted ones.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:27:30pm

Other Republicans aren’t much better than this. Most of them would just stand aside and let Cruz et al. proceed with their pogroms.

Some time later there would be hand-wringing op-eds from both-siderist fools about how it was all Obama’s fault.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:27:35pm

And now, NOW the Republicans in the House and Senate are getting upset about the craziness that has simmered up to the highest ranks of the Party.

Hey, GOP, YOU BUILT THAT!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:28:03pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Yes, joyful. Joyful for polices that Nazi Germany would be proud of. Fuck Phil Robertson and fuck Ted Cruz. And these bigots have the nerve to claim they’re the persecuted ones.

Kraft durch Freude

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:28:20pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

Other Republicans aren’t much better than this. Most of them would just stand aside and let Cruz et al. proceed with their pogroms.

Some time later there would be some hand-wringing op-eds from both-siderist fools about how it was all Obama’s fault.

But they condemn Muslims and all Muslims are anti-gay so shut up. //

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:28:52pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

Kraft durch Freude

No sprechen deutsche?

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:29:23pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

But they condemn Muslims and all Muslims are anti-gay so shut up. //

I have seen that line of argument quite a bit.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:29:24pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

And now, NOW the rank and file Republicans are getting upset about the craziness that has simmered up to the highest ranks of the Party.

Hey, GOP, YOU BUILT THAT!!

Is there any evidence that the GOP rank and file are bothered by this? It mostly seems to be GOP congress critters that are dismayed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:29:51pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

No sprechen deutsche?

“Strength Through Joy”

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:30:08pm

“Wouldn’t you rather be killed joyfully and cheerfully by a Christian?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:30:47pm

re: #7 jaunte

I have seen that line of argument quite a bit.

Yeah I know. It’s easy to counter that guys like Cruz and most of the rest are fine with the ministers that are responsible for Uganda’s anti-gay laws. There’s a great documentary about the America religious right’s involvement in Uganda, God Loves Uganda about how American evangelical churches spread hate of gays. Scott Lively is featured.

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EPR-radar  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:30:51pm

re: #7 jaunte

I have seen that line of argument quite a bit.

I think it’s envy. They tell stories about Iran hanging gay people with piano wire and cranes, and wonder ‘why can’t that happen here?’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:30:55pm

re: #9 Blind Frog Belly White

“Strength Through Joy”

Danke.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:31:08pm

re: #12 EPR-radar

I think it’s envy. They tell stories about Iran hanging gay people with piano wire and cranes, and wonder ‘why can’t that happen here?’

Like that one asshole in Borat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:31:12pm

re: #10 jaunte

“Wouldn’t you rather be killed joyfully and cheerfully by a Christian?”

It’s important to be sacrificed on the altar of the right god. Otherwise it doesn’t count.
//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:32:09pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Danke.

Bitte.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:33:03pm

re: #8 EPR-radar

Is there any evidence that the GOP rank and file are bothered by this? It mostly seems to be GOP congress critters that are dismayed.

Yep, I edited my original post.

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:33:23pm

Rid the earth of redneck coon asses.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:33:43pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

Kraft durch Freude

Joyful and unapologetic!
He’s acting a little like Trump but coyer. Cruz lets someone else say something awful and then Cruz merely brays triumphantly about it being unapologetic. But he is not brave enough to say the awful thing himself. I suspect he’s right to do that; he’s just not likable enough to get away with that shit.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:34:20pm

Phil Robertson, do the world a favor and come out of your closet!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:34:55pm

re: #19 KerFuFFler

Joyful and unapologetic!
He’s acting a little like Trump but coyer. Cruz lets someone else say something awful and then Cruz merely brays triumphantly about it being unapologetic. But he is not brave enough to say the awful thing himself. I suspect he’s right to do that; he’s just not likable enough to get away with that shit.

Trump isn’t a politician! He says horrible things himself! We need that in a President!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:35:22pm

Ted Cruz made the fatal statement that he’s a Christian First and an American second.

The United States cannot afford to elect such a person who would put his faith before his country.

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unproven innocence  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:36:53pm

I recently watched The Imitation Game. It’s about Alan Turing and Enigma. Scary how lucky we were to have won WW2.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:37:39pm

re: #22 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ted Cruz made the fatal statement that he’s a Christian First and an American second.

The United States cannot afford to elect such a person who would put his faith before his country.

Cruz just reminds me and that statement especially just gets at the double standard that Evangelical Christians give themselves. It’s okay for Cruz to say that but God forbid that a practicing Muslim like Keith Ellison actually serve in public office. Evangelical Christians like Cruz are really a lot of what’s wrong with this country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:38:20pm

re: #23 unproven innocence

I recently watched The Imitation Game. It’s about Alan Turing and Enigma. Scary how lucky we were to have won WW2.

Still need to see that. It really is terrible how a hero like Turing was ruined simply because he was gay.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:40:24pm

For a second I thought he was one of the assholes in Oregon.

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mr.fusion  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:40:25pm

I remember another guy with weird facial hair that wanted to “rid the earth” of certain folk

It did not end well

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Reckless Disregard  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:43:43pm

Yet another reason to be ashamed that I’m from Louisiana.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:44:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:44:55pm

Back in the 60s, Phil was too busy being a star quarterback to help rid the world of Vietcong, so I don’t know what chance he thinks he has with gays. Perhaps he sees them as an easier target? He may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Btw, it occurred to me that the GOP may be nearing the end of its seemingly endless supply of Vietnam chickenhawks. With any luck, Trump, who is nearing 70, may be the last.
I have no problem with someone who avoided service out of principled opposition to the war. The others, though, the ones who backed the war, and more war today, and still ducked out anyway, fully deserve contempt and ridicule and I will not fail to throw it their way every time I get the chance.

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Brian J.  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:45:16pm

re: #28 Reckless Disregard

Yet another reason to be ashamed that I’m from Louisiana.

And I’m from just across the river from his hometown! If it’s any solace, I think we’re about sick of these fools. His previous forays into politics were disasters.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:46:29pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

practicing Muslim like Keith Ellison actually serve in public office

And his son is active military.

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Reckless Disregard  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:46:41pm

re: #31 Brian J.

He was born in Vivian. That explains a lot!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:48:45pm

re: #32 Eric The Fruit Bat

And his son is active military.

I actually did not know that about Keith. Cool deal.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:51:00pm

re: #23 unproven innocence

I recently watched The Imitation Game. It’s about Alan Turing and Enigma. Scary how lucky we were to have won WW2.

I don’t think the Axis had much of a chance once America had entered the war. America’s massive manufacturing capacity made Allied victory almost a certainty.

Add in the Nazi and Japanese strategic mistakes, the feudal nature of Nazi society and the fact that the Nazis murdered or sidelined most of the people with brains and guts.

The Axis was pretty much fucked once America was in the war.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:51:44pm

I’ll make Phil the same offer I made Ted Nugent: I will pin this medal to my ass if he promises to kiss both of them at the same time.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:51:51pm

The near-absolute nature of freedom of speech in this country frankly makes a person wonder sometimes.

I don’t feel more free because somebody can be up on stage saying I should be exterminated because I think my sister should be able to marry someone she loves.

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:52:27pm

re: #23 unproven innocence

I recently watched The Imitation Game. It’s about Alan Turing and Enigma. Scary how lucky we were to have won WW2.

The even more amazingly lucky thing (at least for the US) — we lost less than 3% of our troops, close to 0 civilians, and suffered virtually no property damage. Compared to everyone else, we had a hell of an easy time of it.

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mr.fusion  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:55:12pm

re: #37 Testy Toad T

I don’t feel more free because somebody can be up on stage saying I should be exterminated because I think my sister should be able to marry someone she loves.

You should

Because if they can say that, then you can pretty much say anything. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:55:37pm

re: #38 sagehen

This video I saw recently put it into horrifying perspective.

The Fallen of World War II

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mmmirele  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:56:13pm

Two things:

1) “Jesus, save us from your professional followers.”
2) I’d tell these two asshats (Cruz and Robertson) to kiss my pale white fundament, but I don’t want to be anywhere near those guys.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:57:32pm

re: #35 Romantic Heretic

I don’t think the Axis had much of a chance once America had entered the war. America’s massive manufacturing capacity made Allied victory almost a certainty.

Add in the Nazi and Japanese strategic mistakes, the feudal nature of Nazi society and the fact that the Nazis murdered or sidelined most of the people with brains and guts.

The Axis was pretty much fucked once America was in the war.

Japan sure was. If Germany had invaded Great Britain, we’d have had a hell of a time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:58:27pm
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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:59:03pm

Grrrrr….

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:59:50pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

Japan sure was. If Germany had invaded Great Britain, we’d have had a hell of a time.

Fortunately, Operation Sea Lion was always (heh) a bit of a paper tiger. When one considers the staggering buildup the Allies conducted for years in southeastern England, and compare with what the Germans were dicking around with… it would have been Dieppe-ian if they ever tried it.

I mean, the barges they were planning on using to move men and materiel across the Channel could be sunk by the wake of a destroyer, never mind its guns.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2016 • 3:59:55pm

re: #39 mr.fusion

You should

Because if they can say that, then you can pretty much say anything. Freedom of speech means freedom of speech

Strangely, I don’t feel less free because we don’t let people scream “FIRE” in a crowded theater when it is not, in fact, on fire.

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nines09  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:01:14pm

Cruz gets all warm and fuzzy when Phil Robertson talks about killing without ever using that word. Killing. Yes. Compassion on A Cross. Somebody died for you or something like that. But not YOU. No. We are all Gods Children. Except for the ones the Fundies and their ilk want to kill. Kill. Yep. Nice Party there GOP. Great work. No, don’t say anything. You might turn off a potential vote for your pathetic ass. *spit*

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:01:38pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Strangely, I don’t feel less free because we don’t let people scream “FIRE” in a crowded theater when it is not, in fact, on fire.

That’s because you’re a communist.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:01:44pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

True. But the Third Reich wasn’t prepared to perform an amphibious assault of the United Kingdom. It had also lost much of its navy and couldn’t gain air superiority.

So such a thing wasn’t likely.

Basically the Third Reich wasn’t prepared for a world war. It got away with as much as it did because its opponents were even less prepared.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:02:07pm

cruz doesnt know anything more about joy than any other sociopath

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mmmirele  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:02:15pm

Oh, now Cliven Bundy is issuing orders from his redoubt in southern Nevada.

Facebook Post

(From the Bundy Ranch Facebook page.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:03:38pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

Japan sure was. If Germany had invaded Great Britain, we’d have had a hell of a time.

The Army Air Force was actually planning for two scenarios. The first was what played out, using relatively short-range medium and heavy bombers to carry out a continuous bombing campaign on mainland Europe. The second was in the event that bases in Britain or Europe were unavailable, in which case the USAAF would have pushed up production of the B-36, which (on paper at least) had the range necessary to carry a useful payload to the heart of Germany and back. It just would have meant waiting a few years while the bombers were built and crews trained.

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:03:50pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. It’s easy to counter that guys like Cruz and most of the rest are fine with the ministers that are responsible for Uganda’s anti-gay laws. There’s a great documentary about the America religious right’s involvement in Uganda, God Loves Uganda about how American evangelical churches spread hate of gays. Scott Lively is featured.

And in 2014, 19,378 people actually voted for him for Governor of Massachusetts. Only .9 percent, but it still freaks me out that almost 20,000 people voted for that freak.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:03:58pm

Mullah Quack has a job waiting for him in Saudi Arabia.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:04:19pm

re: #51 mmmirele

Oh, now Cliven Bundy is issuing orders from his redoubt in southern Nevada.

[Embedded content]

(From the Bundy Ranch Facebook page.)

Worthless pieces of paper and big ideas that are going nowhere are all these idiots have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:04:31pm

re: #51 mmmirele

Oh, now Cliven Bundy is issuing orders from his redoubt in southern Nevada.

[Embedded content]

(From the Bundy Ranch Facebook page.)

noted downstairs about this: he didn’t spell “Malheur” correctly.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:04:45pm

re: #44 WhatEVs

Grrrrr….

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Is there a problem if people report ‘shenanigans’?

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:04:52pm

re: #40 Romantic Heretic

This video I saw recently put it into horrifying perspective.

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Video

bookmarked

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:05:16pm

re: #51 mmmirele

Oh, now Cliven Bundy is issuing orders from his redoubt in southern Nevada.

[Embedded content]

(From the Bundy Ranch Facebook page.)

What’s this “we” business, Bundy? You counting the voices in your head? The people of the county have made their position clear: GTFO!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:05:23pm

re: #38 sagehen

The even more amazingly lucky thing (at least for the US) — we lost less than 3% of our troops, close to 0 civilians, and suffered virtually no property damage. Compared to everyone else, we had a hell of an easy time of it.

The fact that every war since the Civil War has been fought on someone else’s territory, killing someone else’s civilians and destroying someone else’s cities and factories explains a lot of the mindset of Trump’s followers. America won the two biggest wars in history with little or no damage, and after the second one, we were the only industrial power with our factories intact, and having suffered only the mild inconvenience of rationing. A lot of Americans see that as The Natural Order Of Things, rather than a happy accident of geography.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:05:24pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

The Army Air Force was actually planning for two scenarios. The first was what played out, using relatively short-range medium and heavy bombers to carry out a continuous bombing campaign on mainland Europe. The second was in the event that bases in Britain or Europe were unavailable…

The one-sentence summary of alternate-history WW2 scenarios: the longer the Axis powers hang on, the worse things ultimately get for them.

Which I suppose you could say about the three results in the actual war.

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Brian J.  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:06:48pm

re: #57 Usually refered to as anyways

Is there a problem if people report ‘shenanigans’?

It is if they have no idea what a shenanigan is. I hope this is a sign that Hillary’s about to inform the Sandbaggers that amateur hour has been cancelled.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:07:01pm

re: #49 Romantic Heretic

The Third Reich never had much of a navy, and after the Battle of Britain they didn’t have much of an air force either.

Still, if it weren’t for Hitler’s refusal to listen to his generals, he damn well might have won before we ever got involved.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:07:21pm

This exchange in a thread made me laugh!

PeggyWallingfordButherus 2 hours ago
@irisha48 @HARPOJ
What oppressive government? What has this government stopped you from doing? Your able to voice your opinion. Your able to vote. Your able to have your own religious beliefs. And the list goes on. Oppressive government is only in your mind.

@PeggyWallingfordButherus @irisha48 @HARPOJ What oppressive government? What has this government stopped you from doing?

Have you ever driven through a National Forrest in the winter? The El dorado National Forrest is Closed to Vehicle in the winter. Small Freedoms are being stolen every day.

OH NOES! His life is ruuuinnned because some roads are closed in Winter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:08:59pm

most of the responses are fun.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:09:07pm

re: #51 mmmirele

Oh, now Cliven Bundy is issuing orders from his redoubt in southern Nevada.

[Embedded content]

(From the Bundy Ranch Facebook page.)

Since when does Cliven Bundy recognize the existence of the USA or use the mail service of this fake country?

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:09:15pm

re: #53 BeachDem

And in 2014, 19,378 people actually voted for him for Governor of Massachusetts. Only .9 percent, but it still freaks me out that almost 20,000 people voted for that freak.

My brother, Deacon Judas, and his hand-me-down wife, Jezebel, were big supporters of this cretin’s laughable gubernatorial campaign.

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unproven innocence  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:09:39pm

re: #35 Romantic Heretic

I don’t think the Axis had much of a chance once America had entered the war. America’s massive manufacturing capacity made Allied victory almost a certainty.

Add in the Nazi and Japanese strategic mistakes, the feudal nature of Nazi society and the fact that the Nazis murdered or sidelined most of the people with brains and guts.

The Axis was pretty much fucked once America was in the war.

For a while, many of the ships used for supplying the Brits were being sunk in the Atlantic about as fast as we could build them. Breaking Enigma helped reduce our losses somewhat, but we had to continue accepting some horrific losses, as the price of keeping such achievements secret.

Without such abundant supplies, there would have been no D-Day invasion.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:10:08pm

re: #62 Brian J.

It is if they have no idea what a shenanigan is. I hope this is a sign that Hillary’s about to inform the Sandbaggers that amateur hour has been cancelled.

I read it as more of a statement coming from an enthusiastic supporter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:10:35pm

re: #40 Romantic Heretic

This video I saw recently put it into horrifying perspective.

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Video

The narrator ruined it by mumbling. They should have used a professional.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:10:52pm

re: #63 Skip Intro

The Third Reich never had much of a navy, and after the Battle of Britain they didn’t have much of an air force either.

Still, if it weren’t for Hitler’s refusal to listen to his generals, he damn well might have won before we ever got involved.

Hitler didn’t really have much of a choice. The bills for the grand rearmament of Germany were beginning to come due, and the level of spending that was going on was unsustainable in even the medium term. His generals were planning for a war that was still years in the future, working off assumptions like that the powers Germany intended to invade/fight to a standstill would not or could not match the buildup. That the Reich did as well as it did is more a testament (as already noted) that it’s enemies were even less prepared than it was. Likewise, most of Japan’s accomplishments came from fighting peasant farmers with virtually no training and relying upon second-rate gear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:12:34pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:12:53pm

Ol’ Phil Robertson is a great example of The American ISIS-like Warrior. Look at him. He’s got the uniform, the headband, the beard and of course he has the hate. All backed up in his head by fanatical religious thinking.

There is no difference. Both need stopped.

And Cruz, too devious to ever admit he really would love to be a despot. Whatever it takes for Ted. Sure thing he would love a couple million Phil Robertsons.

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:13:16pm

re: #57 Usually refered to as anyways

Is there a problem if people report ‘shenanigans’?

No. It’s the expectation Hillary is going to do those “shenanigans” that rankles. This is what Bernie’s followers think of Hillary? Of Dems? I find that infuriating.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:13:22pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that Bristol sitting next to her? I hope she doesn’t fall on another penis.

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BeachDem  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:13:41pm

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

Back in the 60s, Phil was too busy being a star quarterback to help rid the world of Vietcong, so I don’t know what chance he thinks he has with gays. Perhaps he sees them as an easier target? He may be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Btw, it occurred to me that the GOP may be nearing the end of its seemingly endless supply of Vietnam chickenhawks. With any luck, Trump, who is nearing 70, may be the last.
I have no problem with someone who avoided service out of principled opposition to the war. The others, though, the ones who backed the war, and more war today, and still ducked out anyway, fully deserve contempt and ridicule and I will not fail to throw it their way every time I get the chance.

And then there’s Newt

Choosing to obtain deferments granted to college students and fathers, Gingrich did not enlist in the military, and was not drafted during the Vietnam War. He expressed some regret about that decision in 1985, saying, “Given everything I believe in, a large part of me thinks I should have gone over.”

Who are you calling arrogant?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:14:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:16:43pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:17:04pm

Who doesn’t fit in and why?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:18:32pm

re: #45 Testy Toad T

re: #49 Romantic Heretic

re: #52 Targetpractice

I’m not sold on the inevitability of victory, in Europe at least. Germany had missiles - a few, anyway - and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that they might have eventually made an atomic bomb, had they been given another year by, for example, the failure of the D-Day landings.

If that happened, we’d have ended up negotiating a peace, rather than achieving victory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:18:50pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

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Who doesn’t fit in and why?

ah…that’s Willow Palin sitting next to Sarah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:19:06pm
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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:19:47pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah…that’s Willow Palin sitting next to Sarah.

I wonder when she’ll start fallin on the penises.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:19:52pm

re: #75 Skip Intro

Is that Bristol sitting next to her? I hope she doesn’t fall on another penis.

Now that I’ve seen the photo, it’s Willow, not Bristol.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:20:58pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that I’ve seen the photo, it’s Willow, not Bristol.

Whoever it is, it looks to me like the Trumps invited their cleaning ladies to the big show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:21:03pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

Embedded Image

Who doesn’t fit in and why?

Well there is that one guy facing backward, but the lady next to Sarah has her right knee crossed over her left, and everyone else seated with left knee over right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:21:23pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:21:39pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sold on the inevitability of victory, in Europe at least. Germany had missiles - a few, anyway - and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that they might have eventually made an atomic bomb, had they been given another year by, for example, the failure of the D-Day landings.

The real weapon that enabled the Manhattan Project was the insane amount of power generation we had on the Columbia River (feeding Hanford) and the TVA (feeding Oak Ridge).

Germany just didn’t have the power to make it happen (and also early nukes wouldn’t fit on a V-2).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:21:53pm
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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:22:02pm

re: #74 WhatEVs

I get that you have respect for Hillary, however ‘shenanigans’ are not necessarily done with approval of the candidate.

I do not think politics is an entirely clean sport, I would guess historically people have pushed boundaries a bit to far from both sides.

I think its a nervous / excited tweet, not much to be angry about.

Coaches tell athletes shit they already know every day, supporters offers advice every day.

Meh…

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:23:06pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:23:41pm

I’ll just repost this, which I created in January 2015:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:23:41pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:24:38pm

re: #88 Testy Toad T

German nuclear science was also wrongheaded and heading down the wrong path, but that’s something they might have figured out. The lack of sufficient electrical power is an inescapable flaw.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:25:29pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

CANDIDATE TRUMP, COME ON DOWN

brb getting popcorn

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:25:29pm

re: #38 sagehen

The even more amazingly lucky thing (at least for the US) — we lost less than 3% of our troops, close to 0 civilians, and suffered virtually no property damage. Compared to everyone else, we had a hell of an easy time of it.

This is the main reason we became a dominant economic power in the second half of the 20th century. We effectively had a ten to twelve year head start on England, Japan, and France; while Germany was partitioned. Everyone else had to rebuild (including the Soviets), or in the case of the Chinese build, we really didn’t.

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:25:40pm

Claire McCaskell: “I think the Iraq War was based on bad information.”
Noooo, betting on a football game when someone tells you the starting QB is out and he isn’t is bad information.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:26:36pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sold on the inevitability of victory, in Europe at least. Germany had missiles - a few, anyway - and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that they might have eventually made an atomic bomb, had they been given another year by, for example, the failure of the D-Day landings.

If that happened, we’d have ended up negotiating a peace, rather than achieving victory.

Even the largest German missiles could not have carried a first-gen nuclear bomb, certainly not with the range to be a danger to anybody outside of continental Europe. The only way that Germany was going to drop an atomic bomb on an Allied power was if they got their heads out of their asses and built a heavy bomber with intercontinental range. And that assumes that Germany could have built an atomic bomb, since they had divided their two most brilliant minds on the subject between two totally separate bomb programs, requiring major hoop-jumping just for one to visit the lab of the other.

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:27:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:28:35pm
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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:29:07pm

re: #79 Skip Intro

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Who doesn’t fit in and why?

Willow crossed her legs the wrong way?

I will not make the obvious joke about a Palin keeping her legs crossed. Nope. Won’t do it.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:29:19pm

re: #97 Billy Batts

Claire McCaskell: “I think the Iraq War was based on bad information.”
Noooo, betting on a football game when someone tells you the starting QB is out and he isn’t is bad information.

Maybe this is too soon, but generally speaking I just no longer see OIF as a salient political issue with regards to anyone other than the primary cheerleaders themselves.

People lied, other people believed it, we made some stupid decisions a decade ago. Airtime is brief. Attention wanes. Tell me what you want to do now, not repeat the same tired apologies of your mistakes then.

One vote you took a decade ago isn’t a foreign policy platform.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:30:34pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:30:38pm

Glenn Beck’s right wing propaganda outfit is in trouble: Head of Glenn Beck’s Media Empire Quits as The Blaze Burns Down.

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:31:23pm

re: #101 KGxvi

To me it looks like the Trumps between them are wearing a hundred thousand dollars worth of clothes. The Palins look like they cleaned out the Wasilla thrift shops for theirs.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:31:33pm

OT: Does anyone happen to know if the Mac’s native PDF reader is capable of handling a dynamic PDF form? I created one and my boss is telling me she can’t preview it—it’s telling her to download Adobe Reader. I’m guessing that’s a native limitation, but I’m not sure. Anyone know for certain?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:31:58pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah…that’s Willow Palin sitting next to Sarah.

Sarah’s hairdresser.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:32:05pm

SHENANIGANS!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:36:58pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Even the largest German missiles could not have carried a first-gen nuclear bomb, certainly not with the range to be a danger to anybody outside of continental Europe. The only way that Germany was going to drop an atomic bomb on an Allied power was if they got their heads out of their asses and built a heavy bomber with intercontinental range. And that assumes that Germany could have built an atomic bomb, since they had divided their two most brilliant minds on the subject between two totally separate bomb programs, requiring major hoop-jumping just for one to visit the lab of the other.

I’m not suggesting they’d hit Washington and win, but if they’d leveled some city in England, perhaps even London, we’re talking about a very different ball game. All those US troops in Britain, and Germany with an unknown number of weapons of that size? Still think we’d have fought on to total victory?

Sure, the US had so much more capacity to produce weapons, and was so untouched by the war that we had an enormous advantage, but we also caught a number of lucky breaks. It would require all the breaks going Germany’s way, but again - not outside the realm of possibility.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:37:13pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

DRAMA!

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:37:26pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

OT: Does anyone happen to know if the Mac’s native PDF reader is capable of handling a dynamic PDF form? I created one and my boss is telling me she can’t preview it—it’s telling her to download Adobe Reader. I’m guessing that’s a native limitation, but I’m not sure. Anyone know for certain?

I’ve never had issues opening any PDF, but just checked some of the message boards and it seems like Preview does have an issue reading dynamic PDF’s.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:38:12pm

re: #109 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not suggesting they’d hit Washington and win, but if they’d leveled some city in England, perhaps even London, we’re talking about a very different ball game. All those US troops in Britain, and Germany with an unknown number of weapons of that size? Still think we’d have fought on to total victory?

Look at the national response to Pearl Harbor.

We’d have glassed Germany with the uninterceptable-until-the-1950s B-36.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:38:47pm

To help get us in a Caucus mood….

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Nojay UK  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:39:06pm

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sold on the inevitability of victory, in Europe at least. Germany had missiles - a few, anyway - and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that they might have eventually made an atomic bomb, had they been given another year by, for example, the failure of the D-Day landings.

Nope. Just… nope. The Germans were at least ten years away from building a nuclear weapon, probably a lot more than that in reality. For one thing the research into nuclear fission was fragmented — even the German Post Office had a nuclear weapons project. For another their leaders never prioritised it in the way it needed in terms of materials, technicians, scientists and engineering construction. There was never any sort of Oak Ridge separation facility, no Manhattan District, no absolute priority for materials like carbon blocks where the manufacturers couldn’t understand why the military needs of carbon for starter motors for tanks and trucks was being overridden by bulk orders from the University of Chicago, leave the deliveries at the back of the squash courts please…

The Germans might, just might have had a sort of a reactor working in the last days of the war. There are pictures of such a device, much cruder than Fermi’s “pile” which saw first light in 1942, using unenriched uranium in heavy water.

After the war in Europe ended the German scientists such as Heisenberg who had been involved in the Nazi nuclear projects were rounded up and incarcerated in a British manor house which was heavily bugged. The news of the Hiroshima bomb came as a total shock to all of them; they had been carrying out basic physics research all during the war and were nowhere near productionising the concept into a usable weapon.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:39:30pm

Incidentally, it’s insane that our political system hinges in a very real way on the fact that a blizzard is going to hit the 30th-most-populous state of the union tomorrow rather than today.

How does this setup even function for 250-odd years?

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:39:34pm

re: #92 CuriousLurker

I’ll just repost this, which I created in January 2015:

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Cool. The visuals that go with my #73 comment.

All we need is the comparison of Gaddafi to Cruz and my vision of how they go together will be complete!

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:39:36pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Kraig Kitchin - another thing for which we can thank Art Bell.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:40:59pm

re: #112 Testy Toad T

Look at the national response to Pearl Harbor.

We’d have glassed Germany with the uninterceptable-until-the-1950s B-36.

The Germans could have easily caught a B-36 with an Me-262

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:41:03pm

With the chaos breaking out at Beck’s empire, the same Beck who is in Trump’s crosshairs, I have to repeat my question: Are we absolutely, positively, sure that Donald Trump is not a DNC operative?

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:41:45pm

re: #119 freetoken

I’ve been wondering about that for months.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:42:23pm

re: #113 Reality Based Steve

To help get us in a Caucus mood….

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Guiseppe please, as usual, tailor my suit very very long.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:43:09pm

re: #115 Testy Toad T

Incidentally, it’s insane that our political system hinges in a very real way on the fact that a blizzard is going to hit the 30th-most-populous state of the union tomorrow rather than today.

Well, isn’t it true that God controls the weather?

Then, doesn’t this slightly tardy blizzard’s tardiness show God at work?

And who better to shape the outcome of America’s future than said God?

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:45:08pm

The match to Cliven Bundy’s ultimatum above.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:45:21pm

re: #109 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not suggesting they’d hit Washington and win, but if they’d leveled some city in England, perhaps even London, we’re talking about a very different ball game. All those US troops in Britain, and Germany with an unknown number of weapons of that size? Still think we’d have fought on to total victory?

Sure, the US had so much more capacity to produce weapons, and was so untouched by the war that we had an enormous advantage, but we also caught a number of lucky breaks. It would require all the breaks going Germany’s way, but again - not outside the realm of possibility.

Yes, I believe would have continued to fight. It helps to bear in mind that Britain was being bombed and showered with missiles up until the last months of the war. A nuclear strike on London would not have ended the war, it would have just meant Berlin or another major population center got moved up the list above Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:45:23pm

re: #115 Testy Toad T

Incidentally, it’s insane that our political system hinges in a very real way on the fact that a blizzard is going to hit the 30th-most-populous state of the union tomorrow rather than today.

How does this setup even function for 250-odd years?

The current system has only really been in place since the late 1960s/early 1970s. Before that, primaries and caucuses were much less important in picking the nominees.

Also, the importance of Iowa in picking a nominee is often over stated. On the GOP side, the winner of Iowa wins the nomination less than half the time since 1976 (in competitive caucuses).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:47:30pm

No, that’s a pit gull.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:47:51pm

Ben Carson headed home for a nap.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:47:53pm

re: #118 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The Germans could have easily caught a B-36 with an Me-262

B-36’s operational ceiling was well over 40,000 ft, even with a bombload.

Me-262? 37,000 ft, and it would have been sluggish and virtually unmaneuverable at that altitude. Jerry would have been fighting to keep flying straight as he watched the Peacemaker fly over his head.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:48:34pm

re: #118 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The Germans could have easily caught a B-36 with an Me-262

No, they could not. The Me-262 had neither the altitude capability nor (oddly) the maneuverability to tussle with a B-36 at high altitude. The USAF and USN, with engines and aerodynamics a generation or two newer, were not able to intercept B-36s with their jet fighters until about 1950.

Light reading on the topic

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Alephnaught  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:49:01pm

Catching up with my photos:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:49:04pm
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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:50:01pm

re: #120 Billy Batts

I’ve been wondering about that for months.

Scenario: Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and the Sage of Omaha all show up at Mar-a-Lago one fine evening and call up Trump to come down to his finest ballroom.

The gang say to Trump: “Donald, we want you to f*ck-up the GOP, real good”.

Donald: “But that means giving up my star role on The Apprentice!”

The gang: “You’ll be more famous than ever. The world will all know you. You will be in the history books forever.”

Donald: “Forever?!”

Gang: “Yup - and we’ll make sure you get your name on a ballroom in DC.”

Donald: “But it will cost me millions!”

Gang: “Don’t worry, you won’t have to buy any advertisement. You’ll get all the media attention you can handle.”

Donald: “I can handle a lot.”

… and thus… he does.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:50:56pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

B-36’s operational ceiling was well over 40,000 ft, even with a bombload.

Me-262? 37,000 ft, and it would have been sluggish and virtually unmaneuverable at that altitude. Jerry would have been fighting to keep flying straight as he watched the Peacemaker fly over his head.

The B-36 also had the luxury of having hours to climb to its maximum altitude, finishing the climb at rates of even tens of feet per second, while the 262 would need to ascend in tens of minutes to conduct the intercept. So even with the same engines and same aerodynamics, the bomber has the advantage in that era.

It’s a fundamental limit of the period. Large fuel load and giant wings are hard to beat.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:51:20pm

re: #37 Testy Toad T

The near-absolute nature of freedom of speech in this country frankly makes a person wonder sometimes.

I don’t feel more free because somebody can be up on stage saying I should be exterminated because I think my sister should be able to marry someone she loves.

We don’t want to monkey around with the 1st Amendment, some speech we want free will be suppressed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:51:54pm
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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:52:38pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

A lot of Americans see that as The Natural Order Of Things, rather than a happy accident of geography.

A great article about just that:
dallasnews.com

The U.S. is the only great power in the history of the world that has had the luxury of having nonpredatory neighbors to its north and south, and fish to its east and west. The two oceans to either side of the country are what historian Thomas Bailey brilliantly described as its liquid assets.

Canadians, Mexicans and fish. That trio of neighbors has given the United States an unprecedented degree of security, a huge margin for error in international affairs, and the luxury of largely unfettered development.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:53:20pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting. I was reading earlier that high turnout favors Sanders and Trump. If that’s not an outlier, we may be in for one of those nights.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:55:52pm

re: #55 Tigger2

Worthless pieces of paper and big ideas that are going nowhere are all these idiots have.

They also have lots of guns, which makes them dangerous to themselves and others.

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KGxvi  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:56:23pm

re: #136 sagehen

Had the Mexican American War gone slightly differently at the end, the southern border would have been much smaller and the advantages possibly even greater.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:56:27pm

re: #132 freetoken

Scenario: Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, and the Sage of Omaha all show up at Mar-a-Lago one fine evening and call up Trump to come down to his finest ballroom.

The gang say to Trump: “Donald, we want you to f*ck-up the GOP, real good”.

I’ve been seeing an increasing amount of fretting by the saner* heads of the GOP, using the model of what happened in California, and applying that to the rest of the U.S. For those of you unfamiliar with what happened over here on the Left Coast, back in ‘94 the GOP ran on a platform of unabashed hate-the-Messicans propaganda, fueled by Hate Radio. Result? The GOP ceased to exist as a viable political organization.

Twice in the last week, I’ve seen those saner heads* muse that “You know what happens first in California, tends to then go on and happen to the rest of the U.S.”

*saner = one step above a rabid shithouse rat

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:56:48pm

re: #138 Big Beautiful Door

They also have lots of guns, which makes them dangerous to themselves and others.

Yet my local paper keeps calling them “protesters”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:57:07pm

re: #112 Testy Toad T

Look at the national response to Pearl Harbor.

We’d have glassed Germany with the uninterceptable-until-the-1950s B-36.

So, we’d have glassed Germany with one of the 3 bombs that represented all the fissionable material we had, dropped from a plane that only existed in prototype form?

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:02pm

re: #138 Big Beautiful Door

They also have lots of guns, which makes them dangerous to themselves and others.

I don’t worry about them. you can’t worry about stuff like that all the time or they win.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:11pm

For those who want the up-to-the-second results:

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Stanley Sea  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:46pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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No, that’s a pit gull.

shameful

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:58:47pm

re: #144 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

For those who want the up-to-the-second results:

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Thanks.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:59:19pm
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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:59:30pm

re: #144 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

The GOP results should come in pretty quickly after 8PM CST, yes?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:59:38pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

So, we’d have glassed Germany with one of the 3 bombs that represented all the fissionable material we had, dropped from a plane that only existed in prototype form?

Goalposts a-shiftin’. I thought we were entertaining the idea that the Germans stayed in the fight quite a lot later than June May of ‘45. By the end of 1945, we had six weapons. By the end of 1946, 11. 1947, 32. Over a hundred by 1948.

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nines09  Feb 1, 2016 • 4:59:53pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Glenn Beck’s right wing propaganda outfit is in trouble: Head of Glenn Beck’s Media Empire Quits as The Blaze Burns Down.

Can’t think of a better place for a dumpster fire. Well I can, but this is a good start.

GLENN? GLENN!!???? GLENNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:00:00pm

re: #68 unproven innocence

For a while, many of the ships used for supplying the Brits were being sunk in the Atlantic about as fast as we could build them. Breaking Enigma helped reduce our losses somewhat, but we had to continue accepting some horrific losses, as the price of keeping such achievements secret.

Without such abundant supplies, there would have been no D-Day invasion.

Then we would have had to nuke them intovsubmission, like Japan.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:00:02pm

re: #142 Blind Frog Belly White

So, we’d have glassed Germany with one of the 3 bombs that represented all the fissionable material we had, dropped from a plane that only existed in prototype form?

I think he was talking about the fact that we could have kept sending those bombers over and over, and they would have been too high to shoot down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:00:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:01:37pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am glad to see that. I just hope these people remember that there’s more to voting than just presidential elections. A higher turnout in 2010 and we might still have a Democratic House.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:01:58pm

To Early To Call per MSNBC

With an inclination of a Trump & Clinton lead per polling of folks in line.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:02:24pm

re: #140 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Well, Iowa is not California (though many Californians are indeed escapees from blizzard country.)

The GOP, if it is willing to be a regional party, can carry on its schtick of victimized-white-Christians for several decades, in swaths of states across this land.

The GOP is not only marginalized in California. For practical purposes there are several states in which the GOP cannot be a controlling force.

On the flip side, there are states in which the Democratic party is a pretty minimal presence.

The big flip will be Texas. 20 years from now, TX may emerge from being Texastan to become a more modern state.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:02:25pm

re: #149 Testy Toad T

Goalposts a-shiftin’. I thought we were entertaining the idea that the Germans stayed in the fight quite a lot later than June of ‘45. By the end of 1945, we had six weapons. By the end of 1946, 11. 1947, 32. Over a hundred by 1948.

You’re the one who had us dropping these bombs from planes that didn’t exist.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:02:28pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I am glad to see that. I just hope these people remember that there’s more to voting than just presidential elections. A higher turnout in 2010 and we might still have a Democratic House.

But I didn’t get the pony I wanted!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:02:56pm

re: #152 Belafon

I think he was talking about the fact that we could have kept sending those bombers over and over, and they would have been too high to shoot down.

But they didn’t exist.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:02:56pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I am glad to see that. I just hope these people remember that there’s more to voting than just presidential elections. A higher turnout in 2010 and we might still have a Democratic House.

Sadly that’s something you just can’t get the Dem’s to figure out.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:03:35pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

But they didn’t exist.

Neither did German nukes, ever.

Anyway, I think we’ve mined this conversation beyond the point of fun.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:03:37pm

re: #158 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But I didn’t get the pony I wanted!

Heh. Good one.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:03:38pm

It is 7:00 CT and Chuck Todd is already sweating like a hog.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:03:47pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

I feel see the Bern.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:04:08pm

re: #157 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re the one who had us dropping these bombs from planes that didn’t exist.

Yes, in response to a scenario where Germany somehow overcame the massive flaws in its nuclear program and missile programs and developed a warhead capable of being fired on London and nuking it out of existence or at least reducing enough of it to a radioactive cinder as to be effectively gone.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:04:11pm

re: #160 Tigger2

Sadly that’s something you just can’t get the Dem’s to figure out.

Yeah it’s what bugs me most about our base. The Republican base, assholes through and through but they vote for the lowest office to the highest office of the land.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:04:46pm

re: #158 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But I didn’t get the pony I wanted!

WITH TRUMP YOU’LL GET A YUUUGE PONY, WE’LL CALL IT A HORSE

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:04:50pm

re: #163 b.d.

It is 7:00 CT and Chuck Todd is already sweating like a hog.

I hope PBS has coverage. No way am I watching Fox or CNN. MSNBC might be bearable but Todd’s sleaze pisses the hell out of me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:05:01pm

See, the thing is, if the D-Day landings had failed, what’s our next play? We had been able to bomb Germany without hindrance for some time, and we STILL spent another year slogging across France and Germany before they finally gave up. Deny us that landing, and what’s the next play?

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:05:16pm

re: #140 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

I’ve been seeing an increasing amount of fretting by the saner* heads of the GOP, using the model of what happened in California, and applying that to the rest of the U.S. For those of you unfamiliar with what happened over here on the Left Coast, back in ‘94 the GOP ran on a platform of unabashed hate-the-Messicans propaganda, fueled by Hate Radio. Result? The GOP ceased to exist as a viable political organization.

I remember back around that time listening to a woman in a (California) focus group evaluating food package designs, saying she didn’t want to see any Spanish language on a tortilla package because “those people” were ruining the state.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:05:22pm

re: #106 CuriousLurker

OT: Does anyone happen to know if the Mac’s native PDF reader is capable of handling a dynamic PDF form? I created one and my boss is telling me she can’t preview it—it’s telling her to download Adobe Reader. I’m guessing that’s a native limitation, but I’m not sure. Anyone know for certain?

Not real sure, but I think you are on the right track. For the full functionality of an active form you probably are best with Adobe Reader. Also, it could be a version difference too. Adobe PDF files are finicky in that a new version of Acrobat Pro might write some stuff in a third-party version of PDF reading might have issues reading and using.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:05:35pm

Merde, they’re on to us!

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:06:23pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I hope PBS has coverage. No way am I watching Fox or CNN. MSNBC might be bearable but Todd’s sleaze pisses the hell out of me.

Brian Williams is hosting so I’m checking other networks for verification of stuff he says

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:06:29pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Shit, they’re on to us!

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Oh those? Those are left over from the Nixon years. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:06:40pm
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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:06:57pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:07:00pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Merde, they’re on to us!

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That’s Paris, Il.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:07:12pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

See, the thing is, if the D-Day landings had failed, what’s our next play? We had been able to bomb Germany without hindrance for some time, and we STILL spent another year slogging across France and Germany before they finally gave up. Deny us that landing, and what’s the next play?

Very likely an amphibious landing elsewhere, likely through Italy and into Germany’s underbelly. Or we could have simply sat it out and watched as Stalin marched into Berlin to lay claim to everything east of the Rhine.

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:07:15pm
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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:07:30pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Merde, they’re on to us!

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Figures Obama would pick the French way of killing people!

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:08:07pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

“HOURS”?

At that speed, the blizzard just might catch up to them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:08:53pm

re: #179 Billy Batts

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I thought I read that Kid Rock was repping his fellow Detroiter, Carson. Honestly KR’s not an asshole like say James Woods or Nugent is about his politics but I’m never taking political advice from him.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:08:55pm

heh

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:25pm

I saw Kid Rock trending and figured he was dead.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:33pm

re: #183 b.d.

heh

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I wish I had that luxury.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:33pm

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

That’s Paris, Il.

Few people know this, but the Paris, Il high school teams are the Existentialists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:42pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Very likely an amphibious landing elsewhere, likely through Italy and into Germany’s underbelly. Or we could have simply sat it out and watched as Stalin marched into Berlin to lay claim to everything east of the Rhine.

You mean through the Alps?

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Billy Batts  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:54pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I thought I read that Kid Rock was repping his fellow Detroiter, Carson. Honestly KR’s not an asshole like say James Woods or Nugent is about his politics but I’m never taking political advice from him.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:09:56pm

re: #172 De Kolta Chair

Careful—if you hit that site in the tweet, it’s a river of anti-Muslim death porn.

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Brian J.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:10:11pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course, a huge number of supporters in one precinct doesn’t help you that much. You want to hit many people with one bullet each, not one person with all your bullets.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:10:49pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

If only they were allowed open carry - then, then this would be a real democratic congregation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:11:11pm

re: #189 Billy Batts

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Heh what about the guy from Korn. Really, I want to know who the entire Numetal scene is backing. Man music rant time but I hated that sub-genre as a kid. It’s funny because I don’t mind rap and metal independent of each other.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:12:12pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

Not real sure, but I think you are on the right track. For the full functionality of an active form you probably are best with Adobe Reader. Also, it could be a version difference too. Adobe PDF files are finicky in that a new version of Acrobat Pro might write some stuff in a third-party version of PDF reading might have issues reading and using.

Thanks!

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:13:46pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I wish I had that luxury.

I think he wishes he had that luxury too but I bet he is glad he doesn’t have to go back to Iowa for 3-1/2 years

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:13:50pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean through the Alps?

There were any number of ways to invade Germany besides Normandy. Ike could have swung south and still had plenty of room for an invasion. But again, even in such a scenario where Overlord failed, Germany was on borrowed time. That same summer, the Soviets launched Operation Bagration and Army Group Centre ceased to exist. Germany might have bought itself some time, but not nearly enough to make a major difference in its nuclear program.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:14:45pm

re: #195 b.d.

I think he wishes he had that luxury too but I bet he is glad he doesn’t have to go back to Iowa for 3-1/2 years

Yeah I bet. I bet the people of Iowa are relieved too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:15:15pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:15:36pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Careful—if you hit that site in the tweet, it’s a river of anti-Muslim death porn.

True that. Absolutely horrendous.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:15:38pm

i will venture a controversial opinion that the overton window has been moved distinctly to the left already in this election

however with the proviso that political/social directions are not strictly two dimensional…

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:16:17pm

AP carries some water for the GOP establishment:

Iowa kicked off voting in the 2016 presidential race Monday night, with the Republican contest shaping up as a three-way fight among Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Democrats Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were also locked in a tight battle as the caucuses began.

Trying so hard to make Rubio relevant.

Well, maybe Iowa will make Rubio relevant?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:16:39pm

re: #200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i will venture a controversial opinion that the overton window has been moved distinctly to the left already in this election

however with the proviso that political/social directions are not strictly two dimensional…

Yeah I do too. And there’s still alot of self described social liberals who aid the GOP by thinking the GOP represents their interests economically.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:17:08pm

HA!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:17:14pm

re: #201 freetoken

AP carries some water for the GOP establishment:

Trying so hard to make Rubio relevant.

Well, maybe Iowa will make Rubio relevant?

I think Rubio will be in third, a good amount behind Cruz and Trump.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:17:23pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

See, the thing is, if the D-Day landings had failed, what’s our next play? We had been able to bomb Germany without hindrance for some time, and we STILL spent another year slogging across France and Germany before they finally gave up. Deny us that landing, and what’s the next play?

The next play is waiting for Germany to be conquered by the Russians.

The war in Europe was probably lost as soon as Operation Barbarossa was launched, and almost certainly after Stalingrad. It was more or less inevitable at that point, though without D-Day it may have taken another 5-10 years. The successful invasion of Europe prevented Europe from being Soviet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:17:44pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

HA!

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Man such awesome journalism.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:18:27pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

HA!

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MSM in America really sucks.

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Brian J.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:18:57pm

CNN has entrance polls up, for entertainment purposes only, +/- 1% (they’re showing results for men and women separately, and I’m averaging them):

Democrats: Hillary 50, Bernie 43, Martin 4, Uncommitted 3.
Republicans: Trumpy Dumpy 29, Cruz 22, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Fiorina 4, A Cast of Thousands at 2 or 3.

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bratwurst  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:19:22pm

Reminder: there is going to be absolutely NOTHING to report for at least 2 hours, more like 3 or 4. The wall-to-wall TV coverage between now and then is going to be nothing but blather. Put on some music or read a book until at least 10pm eastern time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:19:38pm
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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:20:42pm
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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:21:15pm

Stolen from the front page of DailyKos which is going to get very ugly tonight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:21:25pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s bad news for the GOP establishment.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:21:34pm

I thought the Manhattan Project was initiated because of Germany, and the weapons were expected to be used there?

Christ, imagine Hitler and the Third Reich command having been destroyed not by suicide and Soviet troops, but by a single nuke. I think vaporizing Hitler would have somehow been an even greater shock to the world than a “mere” burning of a Japanese city or two. It would have been the ultimate decapitation strike. Such a thing might have changed the way we thought about those weapons - using them as a single-point leadership killer instead of some insane “Just like regular bombs, only bigger” idea.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:21:48pm

538 covering their collective asses:

Iowa Is The Hardest State To Poll

Next tune: “Breaking up is the hardest thing to do”.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:22:16pm

re: #212 b.d.

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Stolen from the front page of DailyKos which is going to get very ugly tonight.

Yeah, I imagine that the next week is going to be a headache either way. Either Bernie wins and his supporters are smugly insufferable, or he loses and we get long whines about how he was “sabotaged.”

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:22:18pm

re: #212 b.d.

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Stolen from the front page of DailyKos which is going to get very ugly tonight.

Yep I might have to read it for the laughs.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:22:58pm

re: #209 bratwurst

Reminder: there is going to be absolutely NOTHING to report for at least 2 hours, more like 3 or 4. The wall-to-wall TV coverage between now and then is going to be nothing but blather. Put on some music or read a book until at least 10pm eastern time.

Good point. I think I’ll go read a book.

Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:23:09pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine that the next week is going to be a headache either way. Either Bernie wins and his supporters are smugly insufferable, or he loses and we get long whines about how he was “sabotaged.”

I’m afraid you’re going to be right.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:23:45pm

The big thing is that they are talking about record turnouts. The conventional wisdom is that will be a big benefit for Trump, and probably help Sanders.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:04pm

So book wise, I got an audiable copy of John Dos Passos’ U.S.A trilogy. Very interesting stuff so far. I’ve never read any of his work before but have read a good amount of Hemingway and Fitzgerald.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:04pm

Okay, I am loving this episode of The X-Files.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:14pm

ive never seen live, in the caucus rooms coverage before - is this a new thing this year?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:31pm

re: #220 Reality Based Steve

The big thing is that they are talking about record turnouts. The conventional wisdom is that will be a big benefit for Trump, and probably help Sanders.

RBS

Yes, that sounds accurate to me. I think high turnout also helps Cruz too.

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:46pm

re: #222 Timothy Watson

Okay, I am loving this episode of The X-Files.

Me, too. It’s very funny! Super good episode.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:24:54pm

re: #217 Tigger2

re: #216 Targetpractice

I’m very glad to be here with you all relatively sane, fun and rational people.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:25:13pm

re: #209 bratwurst

I thought the Republicans had this fancy new software that will allow for very quick tabulation of the results. And, unlike the Democrats, there is no need for the minor candidates’ supporters to be reassigned, so the Republicans can just vote and go home.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:25:46pm

re: #40 Romantic Heretic

That video was amazing and informative! Thanks for sharing.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:26:18pm

Iowa. Relevant once every four years. And after tonight, it will fade back into the woodwork to reappear once again four years from now.

What will we learn tonight? If you’re Democrats, it’s that Hillary can still win (but Bernie nips at her heels).

If you’re a GOPer? That’s a tougher question considering that Trump, Cruz, and Rubio remain above the rest of the clown car - but only just.

For the rest, including a bunch of former/current governors, members of Congress, and a failed business executive and a neurosurgeon whose track record is spotty, plus O’Malley, voters have collectively gone:

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:26:21pm

re: #214 Pawn of the Oppressor

I thought the Manhattan Project was initiated because of Germany, and the weapons were expected to be used there?

Christ, imagine Hitler and the Third Reich command having been destroyed not by suicide and Soviet troops, but by a single nuke. I think vaporizing Hitler would have somehow been an even greater shock to the world than a “mere” burning of a Japanese city or two. It would have been the ultimate decapitation strike. Such a thing might have changed the way we thought about those weapons - using them as a single-point leadership killer instead of some insane “Just like regular bombs, only bigger” idea.

The sad thing is that it wouldn’t have changed Japan’s attitude at all. Two bombs, USSR invades Manchuria, and still many in Japan’s military wanted to fight on.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:26:42pm

re: #226 b.d.

I’m very glad to be here with you all relatively sane, fun and rational people.

Bah, sanity’s overrated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:26:50pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:26:55pm

re: #227 freetoken

I thought the Republicans had this fancy new software that will allow for very quick tabulation of the results. And, unlike the Democrats, there is no need for the minor candidates’ supporters to be reassigned, so the Republicans can just vote and go home.

i think i saw a movie about supporter reassignment surgery

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:27:05pm

re: #209 bratwurst

Reminder: there is going to be absolutely NOTHING to report for at least 2 hours, more like 3 or 4. The wall-to-wall TV coverage between now and then is going to be nothing but blather. Put on some music or read a book until at least 10pm eastern time.

MotoGP testing at Sepang starts in 40 minutes. Casey Stoner is expected to be on track along with all the other “aliens” - meaning the only 5 people who have won a GP race in the dry for the last decade will be out on track at once, with official timing.

Televised motorcycle heroes, or televised political idiots? Hmmmm tough one.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:27:08pm

re: #223 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ive never seen live, in the caucus rooms coverage before - is this a new thing this year?

They kick them out once the actual caucusing starts, it’s not a new thing

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:27:27pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Harsh, but fair.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:28:08pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

So book wise, I got an audiable copy of John Dos Passos’ U.S.A trilogy. Very interesting stuff so far. I’ve never read any of his work before but have read a good amount of Hemingway and Fitzgerald.

Tremendously important book. Holds up well.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:28:36pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who’s that wackjob supporting? Conventional wisdom says Cruz but Trump and him probably bond a lot over how much they hate Muslims.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:28:59pm

Twofer…

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:29:08pm

re: #214 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, The Man In The High Castle has as its premise that the Nazis developed the A-bomb successfully first,

Click to Reveal

and used it on a few key strikes in America, including DC. Apparently simply losing DC was enough to get America to surrender.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:30:01pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Tremendously important book. Holds up well.

Yeah it’s hard to believe it’s 85 years old listening to it. I’m really enjoying Audible books. I recently finished Angela’s Ashes which I’ve read before but I really wanted to hear it in Frank McCourt’s voice.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:30:05pm

re: #239 De Kolta Chair

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I do love minimalist furnishings.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:30:21pm

re: #225 WhatEVs

Me, too. It’s very funny! Super good episode.

I haven’t stopped laughing. It ties with the old episodes and Scooby Doo.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:30:31pm

re: #239 De Kolta Chair

Iowa City is the most left-wing place in the state… so of course there will be a lot of Bern-ing in Iowa City.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:31:13pm

re: #244 freetoken

Iowa City is the most left-wing place in the state… so of course there will be a lot of Bern-ing in Iowa City.

It’s where the university is isn’t it? I only really know University of Iowa since there’s a famous writers workshop that has employed some of my favorite writers.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:31:13pm

re: #240 freetoken

Well, The Man In The High Castle has as its premise that the Nazis developed the A-bomb successfully first,

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I pretty much binge watched that series. Interesting, but very dark. I don’t recall a single light moment or even a humorous line the entire season.

RBS

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:31:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:33:32pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Who’s that wackjob supporting? Conventional wisdom says Cruz but Trump and him probably bond a lot over how much they hate Muslims.

No idea and I can’t be bothered to google it.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:33:35pm

hahaha

notice how quiet the crowd is

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:33:42pm

re: #239 De Kolta Chair

That’s probably a lot nicer than where Pete normally lives.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:33:46pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

No idea and I can’t be bothered to google it.

All good.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:34:26pm

re: #249 b.d.

hahaha

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notice how quiet the crowd is

And it’s a floor wax AND it’s a desert topping.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:34:39pm
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danarchy  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:34:51pm

re: #227 freetoken

I thought the Republicans had this fancy new software that will allow for very quick tabulation of the results. And, unlike the Democrats, there is no need for the minor candidates’ supporters to be reassigned, so the Republicans can just vote and go home.

They have to listen to speeches from each candidates representative before they can vote. Not sure how much time each of them gets to speak, but with, I think, 11 candidates still, that can take a while.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:35:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:36:06pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not sure. Huckabee won this thing in 2008 remember though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:36:35pm
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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:36:45pm

I am sorry but I have no pity on the guys running the tables who run out of forms, like that is a great thing.

Looks like poor management to me and I’d be chapped if I were in line, I would make sure that I would have waaaay too many forms. Rather fill up a recycling bin that make voting a pain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:37:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:37:45pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rand can’t decide whether he wants to be a cool libertarian kid or an old paleocon douche or both.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:37:57pm

Don’t look at me, I voted for Cthulhu. Why vote for the lesser evil?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:38:40pm

re: #249 b.d.

hahaha

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notice how quiet the crowd is

I had a movement, but it wasn’t really a strategy. I learned at least one thing from Elmer Stinkerpants.

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Aye Pod  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:38:50pm

Hi folks. Not 100% sure about how this Iowa caucus thingummyjig works, fortunately Wonkette has a wonksplainer up:

Basically what happens is instead of a primary election where you go and vote sometime on election day, get your “I Think I Voted” sticker, and go home, Iowa makes people do their candidate-picking by showing up at a meeting that lasts between one and sixty hours, after which there is group sex. You have to be at the caucus to be counted, so no absentee ballots or early voting or sexting, although this year, both parties are letting out-of-state military people caucus online, because The Troops.

How long till you get the results?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:38:59pm

...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:15pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:17pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

See, the thing is, if the D-Day landings had failed, what’s our next play? We had been able to bomb Germany without hindrance for some time, and we STILL spent another year slogging across France and Germany before they finally gave up. Deny us that landing, and what’s the next play?

We would’ve used the first two nukes on Germany instead of Japan, and Admiral Dornitz would’ve surrendered.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:41pm

Is that idiot Gilmore still in the race?? I thought he dropped out weeks ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:46pm
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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:39:50pm

re: #263 Aye Pod

Depends on how long the group sex lasts.

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:24pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that idiot Gilmore still in the race?? I thought he dropped out weeks ago.

He got some air time on the last undercard.

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nines09  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:30pm

re: #263 Aye Pod

Hi folks. Not 100% sure about how this Iowa caucus thingummyjig works, fortunately Wonkette has a wonksplainer up:

How long till you get the results?

All up to the lab you send the blood to.

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lawhawk  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:37pm

The more I see tweeted tonight from the GOP caucus, the more I am reminded of Blazing Saddles.

These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

And that goes double for the Trump supporters.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:51pm

re: #266 Big Beautiful Door

We would’ve used the first two nukes on Germany instead of Japan, and Admiral Dornitz would’ve surrendered.

Actually I’m wrong. The Soviets would’ve overrun all of Germany.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:56pm

re: #263 Aye Pod

Hi folks. Not 100% sure about how this Iowa caucus thingummyjig works, fortunately Wonkette has a wonksplainer up:

How long till you get the results?

They just had to put that “Group sex” thing in there, didn’t they?

/

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:40:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:41:22pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that idiot Gilmore still in the race?? I thought he dropped out weeks ago.

I think he just wants to get out of the house. He ran a similar campaign in 2008 where he like this time did nothing. I only really remember him because I felt he was a one trick pony with his promises to repeal the car tax. Varek, Timothy, TP, you guys remember those ads?

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Aye Pod  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:41:40pm

re: #270 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

Depends on how long the group sex lasts.

They’re doing the group sex now I see. Cool.

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jaunte  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:41:44pm
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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:42:03pm

re: #276 Tigger2

“Very liberal” = Iowa City, a few in Ames, some scattered around this or that college town…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:42:07pm

re: #276 Tigger2

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That’s been my observation that he can’t seem to expand his base. He’s got a demographcis problem too.

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ObserverArt  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:42:32pm

re: #220 Reality Based Steve

The big thing is that they are talking about record turnouts. The conventional wisdom is that will be a big benefit for Trump, and probably help Sanders.

RBS

That seems to be the thinking, but I have a gut feeling Hillary is getting some more new Iowa voters out too. More women…some of them young. I am still thinking the female vote (all ages) is the key for the Dems and most likely will lean more to Hillary in numbers over Bernie.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:00pm

And now the first seal has been broken…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:05pm
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Aye Pod  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:13pm

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

They just had to put that “Group sex” thing in there, didn’t they?

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I love that site. It’s like the political wing of MST3K.

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WhatEVs  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:24pm

re: #243 Belafon

I haven’t stopped laughing. It ties with the old episodes and Scooby Doo.

Best X-Files epi ever. Seriously.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:45pm
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Jenner7  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:50pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Poor kid. Don’t blame him or her.

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Belafon  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:53pm

More on the X Files: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:54pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We all do, kid. We all do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:43:58pm

re: #282 ObserverArt

That seems to be the thinking, but I have a gut feeling Hillary is getting some more new Iowa voters out too. More women…some of them young. I am still thinking the female vote (all ages) is the key for the Dems and most likely will lean more to Hillary in numbers over Bernie.

No doubt and I’m sure we’ll see some whining that women voted for her just because she’s a woman and even if that is true, so the hell what, we elected nothing but white guys until seven years ago.

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Targetpractice  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:44:31pm

re: #276 Tigger2

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Bernie’s supporters are primarily “very liberal” voters? The hell you say!

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Skip Intro  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:44:47pm

I’m surprised Huckabee isn’t doing better considering he ate a whole butter cow by himself. That should be worth something.

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Tigger2  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:44:57pm

re: #276 Tigger2

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I have been talking to a lot of the people in my Neighborhood around my age and couldn’t find any Sanders supporters.

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b.d.  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:45:48pm

re: #293 Skip Intro

I’m surprised Huckabee isn’t doing better considering he ate a whole butter cow by himself. That should be worth something.

Carson stabbed the butter cow and he isn’t doing well either

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:03pm

re: #293 Skip Intro

Whole butter cow? Hmm. How about a few more points on his cholesterol? //

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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:03pm

re: #283 Eric The Fruit Bat

And now the first seal has been broken…..

… Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Sounds like Donald Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:15pm

re: #295 b.d.

Carson stabbed the butter cow and he isn’t doing well either

And Trump called the butter cow a loser for being stabbed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:22pm
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freetoken  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:36pm

re: #293 Skip Intro

I’m surprised Huckabee isn’t doing better considering he ate a whole butter cow by himself. That should be worth something.

Extra points for a reference to the Iowa State Fair.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:46:51pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wrong room.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:47:35pm
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:47:59pm

I gotta admit, you couldn’t pay me to participate in such an odd nomination system.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:48:25pm

re: #303 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I gotta admit, you couldn’t pay me to participate in such an odd nomination system.

I know. I’m glad that we just get to vote and be on our way.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:49:36pm

Former Guantanamo chief prosecutor…

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Aye Pod  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:50:07pm

I see the republican caucus avoids the group sex part of the process. That must be seen as a blessing for everyone concerned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:50:55pm

LOL! Hillary got a vote.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:51:46pm

re: #306 Aye Pod

I see the republican caucus avoids the group sex part of the process. That must be seen as a blessing for everyone concerned.

Yo!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:52:05pm

re: #306 Aye Pod

I see the republican caucus avoids the group sex part of the process. That must be seen as a blessing for everyone concerned.

They sent all their lube to Oregon.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:52:29pm

re: #303 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I gotta admit, you couldn’t pay me to participate in such an odd nomination system.

I would do it for a bottle of Thunderbird.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:52:54pm

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL1 Hillary got a vote.

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Thus beating Santorum.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:54:33pm

Just pulled into Santa Barbara. Have I missed anything?

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Aye Pod  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:55:22pm

re: #308 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Hi there dude! Keeping well I hope.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:56:42pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

No doubt and I’m sure we’ll see some whining that women voted for her just because she’s a woman and even if that is true, so the hell what, we elected nothing but white guys until seven years ago.

I think the idea that people vote for someone ‘just because he/she is a (whatever)’ misses the point that that person is NOT ONLY a (whatever) but is also QUALIFIED, and holds positions you agree with. This is why Republicans fail when they try to do identity politics - they think being a (whatever) is all there is to it, hence their belief that disappointed Clinton supporters would flock to them when they nominated Palin for VP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 1, 2016 • 5:57:21pm

Dammit! You all pissed off to the other thread, didn’t you!

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sagehen  Feb 1, 2016 • 6:36:28pm

re: #214 Pawn of the Oppressor

I thought the Manhattan Project was initiated because of Germany, and the weapons were expected to be used there?

The main reason we didn’t nuke Berlin is because VE day was in May, and the bombs weren’t ready until July.

If we’d gotten the bomb a few months earlier, or if the Nazis had held on a few months longer, we absolutely would have used it there.

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A Cranky One  Feb 1, 2016 • 7:13:34pm

re: #208 Brian J.

CNN has entrance polls up, for entertainment purposes only, +/- 1% (they’re showing results for men and women separately, and I’m averaging them):

Democrats: Hillary 50, Bernie 43, Martin 4, Uncommitted 3.
Republicans: Trumpy Dumpy 29, Cruz 22, Rubio 19, Carson 9, Fiorina 4, A Cast of Thousands at 2 or 3.

Oh thanks. Now this went through my brain:

Trumpty Dumpy wanted a wall
Trumpty Dumpy, human hairball
All of the asses and fat wealthy men
couldn’t put GOP back in their pen


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