Two More Down: Rand Paul and Rick Santorum Bail Out
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Iowa sent a clear message to Rand Paul and Rick Santorum, and that message was a resounding NOPE.
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Cruz will get the same message soon enough. Nobody likes him outside the televangelist rubes constituency.
Fox panel: Ban everyone named ‘Mohammed’ because Muslims have ‘infested’ our homes
Lexington Mayor Jim Gray on Rand Paul switching back to his Senate race: “We deserve to be more than just a fall-back plan.” ^JC
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) February 3, 2016
Gray is running for Rand’s Senate seat.
I never would have guessed that Paul 2.0 would end up an even more marginalized and factionalized candidate than his father, although this might say more about the current state of the GOP than about Aqua Buddha himself.
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
re: #4 Testy Toad T
I never would have guessed that Paul 2.0 would end up an even more marginalized and factionalized candidate than his father, although this might say more about the current state of the GOP than about Aqua Buddha himself.
I’m too surprised. His father in fairness had a fairly consistent message. Rand is two faced.
re: #2 Skip Intro
Fox panel: Ban everyone named ‘Mohammed’ because Muslims have ‘infested’ our homes
Can I just, like, tent the house and have the Mohammeds flushed out? Or do I need to conduct physical remediation to ensure that no Mohammeds are lurking within the timber framing? If I wait too long, with the Mohammeds eat away at the foundation and cause the house to collapse?
re: #6 Skip Intro
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
She hasn’t been fired forced to resign yet and given a subsequent golden parachute.
re: #2 Skip Intro
Fox panel: Ban everyone named ‘Mohammed’ because Muslims have ‘infested’ our homes
Curious as to how many guys named Mohammed are serving or have served in the US Armed Forces…
re: #6 Skip Intro
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
Sheer hubris.
You know the GOP is pretty well screwed when Paul and Santorum, two of the most extreme candidates the party has fielded as candidates, can’t even manage to outlast Iowa.
They weren’t extreme enough.
The net effect of @RickSantorum dropping out. No one cares. pic.twitter.com/TiLEx1XHJf
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 3, 2016
re: #2 Skip Intro
Fox panel: Ban everyone named ‘Mohammed’ because Muslims have ‘infested’ our homes
Yeah that makes sense. Really tell me again how you’re for freedom when you want to ban people because of their given names?
re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Gray is running for Rand’s Senate seat.
The best thing that could happen is for him to lose his Senate seat as well.
re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Curious as to how many guys named Mohammed are serving or have served in the US Armed Forces…
An infinite more than this clown probably.
re: #9 Dr. Matt
She has been
firedforced to resign yet and given a subsequent golden parachute.
Wishful thinking. Delusions? Cognitive dissonance, thinking if everyone else drops out first she’ll be the default nominee?
All of the above. That also seems to be Jeb’s strategy, and he’s spent more per vote than anyone else.
Christie will keep running so long as it means he doesn’t return home to NJ to work.
re: #14 Schroedinger’s Dog
The best thing that could happen is for him to lose his Senate seat as well.
I’d love that. Cannot stand Rand Paul and his father. Gray sounds like a great candidate from what our Kentucky lizards have told us too.
So the #NRA just endorsed Hillary Clinton… https://t.co/CKY3iUACiJ
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
Just watch. I’ll bet money that both Huckabee and Santorum will endorse Trump. They went to his event the night that Trump skipped the debate. It would be a perfect time for them to have a handshake agreement on an endorsement pending the outcome in Iowa.
No clue who Rand Paul would endorse.
I assume Fiorina is trying to last long enough that Hillary becomes obviously the Democratic nominee, at which time it’s entirely believable the Republican nominee would pick her for VP, because women vote with their vaginas right?
re: #21 Testy Toad T
I assume Fiorina is trying to last long enough that Hillary becomes obviously the Democratic nominee, at which time it’s entirely believable the Republican nominee would pick her for VP, because women vote with their vaginas right?
Worked with Palin .//
re: #21 Testy Toad T
I assume Fiorina is trying to last long enough that Hillary becomes obviously the Democratic nominee, at which time it’s entirely believable the Republican nominee would pick her for VP, because women vote with their vaginas right?
I’d wager she’s in through New Hampshire. No way does she last through Super Tuesday.
Same goes for Christie. He’s toast if he doesn’t do well in New Hampshire.
The State of Iowa should disqualify Ted Cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated- a total fraud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 3, 2016
I’m told Rand Paul and Rick Santorum have dropped out of the race so they can devote their time to an off-off-Broadway “Odd Couple” revival.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) February 3, 2016
re: #6 Skip Intro
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
She may already have, just hasn’t told anyone yet.
She didn’t even show up to her own Iowa caucus party (but then, apparently no one else did either).
I think anybody outside of Cruz/Trump/Rubio is running now for second place or at least some influence at the convention.
Meanwhile, down in Florida,
re: #20 Lidane
Just watch. I’ll bet money that both Huckabee and Santorum will endorse Trump. They went to his event the night that Trump skipped the debate. It would be a perfect time for them to have a handshake agreement on an endorsement pending the outcome in Iowa.
No clue who Rand Paul would endorse.
Rand already said he isn’t going to endorse anyone.
re: #25 wrenchwench
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“What happens when a Libertarian and Theocrat move in together?”
re: #30 Kragar
I was thinking Butch and Sundance or Thelma and Louise
“For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.”
re: #6 Skip Intro
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
Hubris?
re: #27 Targetpractice
I think anybody outside of Cruz/Trump/Rubio is running now for second place or at least some influence at the convention.
Yeah at his point, it’s a three man race. Rubio clearly established himself as the establishment’s guy on Monday and I think it stays that way.
Santorum & Rand were always whiskey, strong stuff, not easy for everybody to gulp down. https://t.co/zXnKdZ6YVn pic.twitter.com/R1KxePiGrQ
— jimgeraghty (@jimgeraghty) February 3, 2016
Someone was huffing something strong to come up with that.
Cruz is the most objectionable candidate on the GOP side - none of his colleagues can stand him. He rubs everyone the wrong way. At least Paul and Santorum knew how to work the system.
But both those nuts were incapable of being extreme enough for the 2016 GOP. That’s the real problem. Their extremist positions just weren’t extreme enough and they couldn’t go far enough in the GOP where people like Trump and Cruz have staked out positions.
re: #32 Targetpractice
“For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble.”
“You didn’t see Lefors out there, did you?”
re: #35 HappyWarrior
Yeah at his point, it’s a three man race. Rubio clearly established himself as the establishment’s guy on Monday and I think it stays that way.
Until the skeletons start getting pulled out of Rubio’s financial closet.
What will happen I think if Rubio does ultimately win, he’ll be forced to like McCain and Romney to choose someone to appease the wingnuts and he’ll have a lot of cracks on his shell too from trying to out wingnut the others. Rubio really reminds me a lot of Romney in some ways.
re: #39 Schroedinger’s Dog
Until the skeletons start getting pulled out of Rubio’s financial closet.
Yeah that’s coming for sure.
re: #6 Skip Intro
So what’s keeping Fiorina in the race? Are people actually giving her money?
She’s polling below what Huck and Aqua Buddha were, so I don’t quite get it.
re: #37 lawhawk
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Someone was huffing something strong to come up with that.
Cruz is the most objectionable candidate on the GOP side - none of his colleagues can stand him. He rubs everyone the wrong way. At least Paul and Santorum knew how to work the system.
But both those nuts were incapable of being extreme enough for the 2016 GOP. That’s the real problem. Their extremist positions just weren’t extreme enough and they couldn’t go far enough in the GOP where people like Trump and Cruz have staked out positions.
Cruz does have some Congresspeople backing him. Granted it’s assholes from the hilariously named Freedom Caucus but he does have some Congressional backing.
re: #42 BeachDem
She’s polling below what Huck and Aqua Buddha were, so I don’t quite get it.
Maybe hoping for a book deal?
re: #35 HappyWarrior
Yeah at his point, it’s a three man race. Rubio clearly established himself as the establishment’s guy on Monday and I think it stays that way.
Yeah Rubio’s finish was a killer, especially for Cruz. Cruz’s path to the nomination looked a lot clearer with the Super Tuesday “Southern Primary” ahead with its evangelicals. Now Rubio looks like an alternative in those areas.
Yeah I know it always sounds silly to talk about “winners” who finish third. But Iowa, particularly on the GOP side, is proving to be somewhat of an outlier the past few cycles. Respectable finishes there are often all that is needed for some candidates.
re: #40 HappyWarrior
What will happen I think if Rubio does ultimately win, he’ll be forced to like McCain and Romney to choose someone to appease the wingnuts and he’ll have a lot of cracks on his shell too from trying to out wingnut the others. Rubio really reminds me a lot of Romney in some ways.
Disagreed quite strongly. Rubio is a full metal wingnut through and through. I think Romney would have been pretty successful electorally circa 1996 and, dare I say it, probably would have served as a misspoken but competent executive (if one I often disagreed with).
Rubio’s three pecans short of a can of mixed nuts. I don’t think he’d even be palatable to the establishment if the alternatives weren’t, well, y’know.
Also, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him crash and burn. He’s just got that weird phoniness to him, an uncanny valley of rehearsed talking points rather than actual skill.
re: #45 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Yeah Rubio’s finish was a killer, especially for Cruz. Cruz’s path to the nomination looked a lot clearer with the Super Tuesday “Southern Primary” ahead with its evangelicals. Now Rubio looks like an alternative in those areas.
Yeah I know it always sounds silly to talk about “winners” who finish third. But Iowa, particularly on the GOP side, is proving to be somewhat of an outlier the past few cycles. Respectable finishes there are often all that is needed for some candidates.
It’ll be interesting to see how Rubio does in New Hampshire. IT’s fair to say he’ll do better than Cruz there.
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Cruz does have some Congresspeople backing him. Granted it’s assholes from the hilariously named Freedom Caucus but he does have some Congressional backing.
The Congresspeople supporting Cruz are people like Gohmert and Steve King, who are even less likable than he is.
re: #39 Schroedinger’s Dog
Until the skeletons start getting pulled out of Rubio’s financial closet.
Yeah some weird stuff, using the Party’s credit card for house/car stuff. Technically legit, I think, but shifty looking.
re: #48 Schroedinger’s Dog
The Congresspeople supporting Cruz are people like Gohmert and Steve King, who are even less likable than he is.
True that.
re: #46 Testy Toad T
Disagreed quite strongly. Rubio is a full metal wingnut through and through. I think Romney would have been pretty successful electorally circa 1996 and, dare I say it, probably would have served as a misspoken but competent executive (if one I often disagreed with).
Rubio’s three pecans short of a can of mixed nuts. I don’t think he’d even be palatable to the establishment if the alternatives weren’t, well, y’know.
Also, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see him crash and burn. He’s just got that weird phoniness to him, an uncanny valley of rehearsed talking points rather than actual skill.
I think Romney’s true colors are more wingnutty than he let on in Massachusetts. Remember it was Massachusetts. But I see your point, I definitely do think Rubio is much more wingnutty than Romney has ever been but my point is I think both are opportunists who try to shy away from controversy and appear “above it.” Take Rubio’s approach on immigration.
re: #47 HappyWarrior
It’ll be interesting to see how Rubio does in New Hampshire. IT’s fair to say he’ll do better than Cruz there.
NH is do or die for Kasich and Christie. Jeb! can hang around, I think. But not for much longer.
Rubio was the breakthrough the so-called GOP establishment needed Monday night.
re: #52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
NH is do or die for Kasich and Christie. Jeb! can hang around, I think. But not for much longer.
Rubio was the breakthrough the so-called GOP establishment needed Monday night.
Yeah if Kasich and Christie don’t finish top 3 in NH, I think they’re gone.
It’s not an election, it’s a caucus. The Republican Party of Iowa, not the State of Iowa, run the caucuses. https://t.co/rTexeWB8mm
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) February 3, 2016
I believe Rubio is currently running 4th or 5th in NH. Trump still has a yoooouge lead there.
And Jeb is going to go all out to maim Rubio.
Anyone have any idea how long it will take before we start seeing polls with all of these losers out?
I’m guessing that there could only be one or two done before the New Hampshire primary on the 9th…..which make predicting how that will turn out be difficult.
Oh and to repeat something I’ve said before; Christie is going to stay in longer than anyone thinks reasonable. He has no reason to drop out and the minute he’s no longer running for President is the moment when the prosecutors know they can move forward with their legal case against him, without fear of being seen to queer the Republican nomination.
re: #40 HappyWarrior
What will happen I think if Rubio does ultimately win, he’ll be forced to like McCain and Romney to choose someone to appease the wingnuts and he’ll have a lot of cracks on his shell too from trying to out wingnut the others. Rubio really reminds me a lot of Romney in some ways.
Rubio—Romney 2.0, but with a thinner resume, less brainpower, and even more closet skeletons.
A picture of Thomas Jefferson’s Quran from my @WhiteHouse visit. Our founding fathers respected Islam #MosqueVisit pic.twitter.com/p5uAvADnaX
— Yusuf Abdul-Qadir (@YusufAQ) February 3, 2016
re: #57 Danack
I thinking no more drop outs past today, as the losers think they’ll be able to absorb the * voters and gain “momentum”.
Expect the next big drop out after New Hampshire.
re: #59 Charles Johnson
Not that it ought to be anybody’s damn business, but I’m AMAZED Rubio is doing as well as he is as a bi-churcher, nay, bi-denomination…al…er. Guy who goes to both Catholic and Raging Evangelical services.
re: #56 japa21
I believe Rubio is currently running 4th or 5th in NH. Trump still has a yoooouge lead there.
And Jeb is going to go all out to maim Rubio.
I wish Jeb! all the best in this worthy goal. (Never thought I’d want to see Jeb Bush succeed at anything he attempts)
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Cruz does have some Congresspeople backing him. Granted it’s assholes from the hilariously named Freedom Caucus but he does have some Congressional backing.
Last time I checked, about 1/2 of his congressional endorsements were from fellow Texans. They’re probably afraid of him. (and one is GOHMERT!)
re: #59 Charles Johnson
This guy.
Rage Furby certainly has a strange obsession with the sexuality of other people. I wonder what Dr. Freud would say about that?
re: #58 BeachDem
Rubio—Romney 2.0, but with a thinner resume, less brainpower, and even more closet skeletons.
Glad I’m not the only one who sees Rubio as being Mitt like.
re: #61 Kragar
I thinking no more drop outs past today, as the losers think they’ll be able to absorb the * voters and gain “momentum”.
Expect the next big drop out after New Hampshire.
I think Carson’s sort of hoping to coast to at least a third place finish in NH after his 4th place in IA, but the rest I’ve absolutely no clue. I think Jeb? is just too stubborn to leave earlier that Super Tuesday.
Will the RAND PAUL voters turn to Trump, or morph into BernieBros like the rest of their annoying libertarian clones?
re: #59 Charles Johnson
This guy.
You know I called Rubio a piece of shit the other night but I actually used examples from stuff that is actually documented. Rage Furby again shows why he fits who he’s supporting to a tee.
re: #65 Dr. Matt
Its amazing how concerned the “patriotic defenders of liberty and freedom” are over what consenting adults do in their private time.
re: #67 Targetpractice
I think Carson’s sort of hoping to coast to at least a third place finish in NH after his 4th place in IA, but the rest I’ve absolutely no clue. I think Jeb? is just too stubborn to leave earlier that Super Tuesday.
Carson will stay in until the money stops flowing. I don’t remember where I saw it, but his burn rate is absolutely staggering. He spends like 70-80% of the money coming in on more fundraising.
The purest grift of any modern presidential campaign, probably.
A DNC spokesman tells me: “The debates will be sanctioned.” One in Flint, one in CA, one in PA, and one in NH. https://t.co/Mh7d6w1Vz1
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) February 3, 2016
re: #70 Kragar
Its amazing how concerned the “patriotic defenders of liberty and freedom” are over what consenting adults do in their private time.
No kidding.
Based on her experience at HP, I expect #CarlyFiorina to lay off 15% of her campaign staff and say it will lead to her getting a boost in NH
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
re: #62 Testy Toad T
Not that it ought to be anybody’s damn business, but I’m AMAZED Rubio is doing as well as he is as a bi-churcher, nay, bi-denomination…al…er. Guy who goes to both Catholic and Raging Evangelical services.
Wasn’t he also a Mormon for 5-10 minutes?
oh good grief…
You can be a moderate. You can be a progressive. But you cannot be a moderate and a progressive.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
re: #70 Kragar
Its amazing how concerned the “patriotic defenders of liberty and freedom” are over what consenting adults do in their private time.
“You should have the freedom to do whatever you like with your body!”
“I wanna smoke pot.”
“That’s a gateway drug! No way!”
“I want to end this pregnancy.”
“That’s murder! No way!”
“I want to marry my gay partner.”
“That’s against the Bible and makes the Baby Jesus cry! No way!”
“I wanna stuff my face with transfats and smoke like a chimney.”
“Right on, brother! The government shouldn’t tell you what to do with your body!”
“He triiiiied to kill me with a forkliiiiiift…” Fugitive Alien is now streaming on @ShoutFactoryTV! https://t.co/Devi0PpNBB
re: #63 EPR-radar
I wish Jeb! all the best in this worthy goal. (Never thought I’d want to see Jeb Bush succeed at anything he attempts)
I can’t wait to see what the media expenditure in SC was for Right to Rise (JEB!’s SuperPAC). Their spots are all anti-Rubio all the time.
re: #73 HappyWarrior
No kidding.
Big government is big enough to keep me from doing what I not but not so small that it can’t stop other people from doing things I don’t approve of. - Every libertarian ever.
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh good grief…
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Bernie Sanders, boldly pissing in the very water he’s gonna need to drink from if he wants to be president.
re: #4 Testy Toad T
I never would have guessed that Paul 2.0 would end up an even more marginalized and factionalized candidate than his father, although this might say more about the current state of the GOP than about Aqua Buddha himself.
The sequel is never as good as the original
Carly is staying in until the RNC offers her a good severance package.
re: #70 Kragar
Its amazing how concerned the “patriotic defenders of liberty and freedom” are over what consenting adults do in their private time.
I think it’s in part because they are so miserable with their own lives.
Q. Do you think @HillaryClinton is a progressive?
A. Some days, yes. Other days she announces she is a moderate.https://t.co/kIdhjzXZDs— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
Nonsense like this is why I won’t take Bernie and his Bros seriously and won’t vote for him in the Primary https://t.co/72EjxztpkB
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
re: #65 Dr. Matt
Remember that his track record isn’t so good, so take this with a salt block.
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh good grief…
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That is exactly what I mean about how I hate progressive dick waving contests.
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh good grief…
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This is the beginning of the magical my little pony purity party that will begin soon with the brogressives declaring people PINOs and DINOs. Hopefully Bernie will be enough of a team player to get them to come back into the fold.
Most progressives that I know don’t raise millions of dollars from Wall Street.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
Most progressives I know are firm from day 1 in opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. They didn’t have to think about it a whole lot.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
Most progressives that I know were opposed to the Keystone pipeline from day one. Honestly, it wasn’t that complicated.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
Most progressives I know were against the war in Iraq. One of the worst foreign policy blunders in the history of the United States.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
hey Bernie…let’s talk about the NRA, huh?
re: #35 HappyWarrior
Yeah at his point, it’s a three man race. Rubio clearly established himself as the establishment’s guy on Monday and I think it stays that way.
Kaisch was running pretty well in New Hampshire, pre-Iowa, so it could still end up being a four man race - which is the best chance for an open/brokered convention.
re: #89 Kragar
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WE need a Bernie Bro script for LGF.
I like a lot of what Bernie says. I really dislike the Bernie Bros.
re: #82 Schroedinger’s Dog
Big government is big enough to keep me from doing what I not but not so small that it can’t stop other people from doing things I don’t approve of. - Every libertarian ever.
Really I see so many people who call themselves libertarians who are anti-choice, anti-gay, etc. And even those who are don’t want a federal government that can protect these individual rights.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
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hey Bernie…let’s talk about the NRA, huh?
“No, I wanna talk about income inequality, because that’s my entire one-note song!”
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
hey Bernie…let’s talk about the NRA, huh?
Or the difference between racism and economic inequality.
Yep, this is the kind of argument he really doesn’t want to go down.
re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth
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There will now be 14 wrecklist diaries at kos bernsplainin’ how that is the greatest statement ever made by the best candidate in the history of politics.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
Teamsters and AFL-CIO also supported Keystone XL. Keep yelling at those clouds, man. https://t.co/3v2hCt5vG3
— Gus Establishment (@Gus_802) February 3, 2016
re: #93 Jenner7
This “all or nothing” from the left is bullshit.
“Purity is more important than the Supreme Court.”
re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon
WE need a Bernie Bro script for LGF.
I like a lot of what Bernie says. I really dislike the Bernie Bros.
The problem is these tweets are from Sanders, or at least his campaign.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
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hey Bernie…let’s talk about the NRA, huh?
But but his state. // Seriously if he wants to play that game, it’s definitely fair game to point that out.
re: #12 lawhawk
You know the GOP is pretty well screwed when Paul and Santorum, two of the most extreme candidates the party has fielded as candidates, can’t even manage to outlast Iowa.
They weren’t extreme enough.
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What a shame. I was looking forward to Santorum surging through every street in America and issuing from every Republican’s lips…
Seems Bernie took exactly the wrong message from IA, which is that he can win if he goes full-metal moonbat.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
@owillis “You can be peanut butter. You can be chocolate. But you cannot be peanut butter and chocolate.”
— Dave (@D_v_E) February 3, 2016
Bernie Sanders has declared that I cannot be a progressive because I am sometimes a moderate. He doesn’t want my vote, I guess.
— Jeff Fecke (@jkfecke) February 3, 2016
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh good grief…
Why do so many people not accept that in a representative Democracy you can never get 100% of what you want? I’m more left wing than Bernie but would be happy with Hillary continuing 8 more years of Obama. Democrats just need to show up for midterm elections and get a Democratic Congress back. Then we can talk about being a pure progressive never allowing compromise and moderation.
A quick additional edit:
And still going after Hillary for the Iraq War vote when she has already apologized countless times is really desperate. It would be a valid attack only if she was like Republicans and still arguing how it was a good decision. She has admitted it was a mistake, move on Bernie. Have you never made mistakes in your life?
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
And most progressives or liberals, including YOU, voted for the Crime Bill. YOU ARE NOT PERFECT, Bernie.
re: #103 jaunte
“Purity is more important than the Supreme Court.”
Or these gems “The country will suffer with four years of a Republican president and we’ll jump in and save the day in 2020.” Really, I’m a staunch liberal, I may even be close to a socialist like Bernei in some ways but I will never be a let the house burn in order to save it type of person.
re: #100 Belafon
Or the difference between racism and economic inequality.
Yep, this is the kind of argument he really doesn’t want to go down.
I think there’s probably a decent argument to be made that racism and economic inequality are all part of the same problem. But Sanders isn’t the politician to make that argument. Hell, there may not be any American politician able to make that argument. It’d probably have to be made by some sort of elder statesman type…
re: #112 HappyWarrior
Or these gems “The country will suffer with four years of a Republican president and we’ll jump in and save the day in 2020.” Really, I’m a staunch liberal, I may even be close to a socialist like Bernei in some ways but I will never be a let the house burn in order to save it type of person.
The Dems jumped in the save the house in 2009 and see what kind of respect we got for it?
Bueller?
re: #110 Shimshon
Why do so many people not accept that in a representative Democracy you can never get 100% of what you want? I’m more left wing than Bernie but would be happy with Hillary continuing 8 more years of Obama. Democrats just need to show up for midterm elections and get a Democratic Congress back. Then we can talk about being a pure progressive never allowing compromise and moderation.
Because to some in the party and I hate to play this but these aren’t the people (the progressive wing backing Bernie is much more affluent than not) who are going to be fucked by Republican policies. It’s how they can scoff at PP and the HRC for endorsing Clinton.
re: #112 HappyWarrior
Or these gems “The country will suffer with four years of a Republican president and we’ll jump in and save the day in 2020.” Really, I’m a staunch liberal, I may even be close to a socialist like Bernei in some ways but I will never be a let the house burn in order to save it type of person.
This “we had to destroy the village to save it mentality” is the kind that eventually leads either to totalitarian dictatorships or a Reign of Terror.
re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon
WE need a Bernie Bro script for LGF.
I like a lot of what Bernie says. I really dislike the Bernie Bros.
I vote for Mongolian Baiti..it’s a really obscure font..you probably haven’t heard about it yet.
Remember the petulant little kid who was always crying for a “do-over” then threatening that their “daddy will sue you”? #Trump
— Anthony Bourdain (@Bourdain) February 3, 2016
re: #116 Targetpractice
This “we had to destroy the village to save it mentality” is the kind that eventually leads either to totalitarian dictatorships or a Reign of Terror.
Right, it’s dangerous.
re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth
hey Bernie…let’s talk about the NRA, huh?
“Most progressives I know”
Yes I think I see the problem.
re: #115 HappyWarrior
Because to some in the party and I hate to play this but these aren’t the people (the progressive wing backing Bernie is much more affluent than not) who are going to be fucked by Republican policies. It’s how they can scoff at PP and the HRC for endorsing Clinton.
I wonder if the Bernie staffer who wrote that used to work on the RAND PAUL campaign? It really sounds like what the libertarians were using for their campaign tactics in 2012.
re: #121 Shimshon
I wonder if the Bernie staffer who wrote that used to work on the RAND PAUL campaign? It really sounds like what the libertarians were using for their campaign tactics in 2012.
I don’t think so. Now where you are right is that the mentality here is the same.
To hell with Bernie and his line in the sand.
The guy wasn’t even a democrat until a minute or two ago.
re: #98 Targetpractice
“No, I wanna talk about income inequality, because that’s my entire one-note song!”
That’s why I moved to Hillary. Bernie was striking me more and more as a johnny - one- note
“Exclusivity” is a stupid positioning choice for a presidential campaign.
re: #113 KGxvi
I think there’s probably a decent argument to be made that racism and economic inequality are all part of the same problem. But Sanders isn’t the politician to make that argument. Hell, there may not be any American politician able to make that argument. It’d probably have to be made by some sort of elder statesman type…
I figure the simplest argument to show that income inequality and racism are separate are the black guys sitting at the Woolworth counter. If it were just income related, there was no reason those guys shouldn’t have been served.
Like eternal independent Bernie Sanders has any fucking business telling a lifelong democrat how they can or cannot self-identify.
Shut the fuck up, you rambling hick codger.
re: #117 Schroedinger’s Dog
I vote for Mongolian Baiti..it’s a really obscure font..you probably haven’t heard about it yet.
Letraset doodlebug font.
You can be a moderate. You can be a progressive. But you cannot be a moderate and a progressive.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 3, 2016
So Bernie’s gun views are progressive?
He said you can’t be both.
re: #118 Lidane
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And Bernie, considering he either took up the “coin toss” BS talking point from his supporters to suggest that he was effectively shut out of a win in IA based upon a coin toss. That’s how this whole fucking train wreck will go forward into history, as an allegation of “fraud” based upon anecdotes about coin tosses in Iowa.
re: #123 b.d.
To hell with Bernie and his line in the sand.
The guy wasn’t even a democrat until a minute or two ago.
That is what bothers me when he and his supporters complain about the DNC. I mean they can cry about politics all they want but Hillary Clinton has campaigned for much more Democrats elections than he has and that is something that office holders remember when they’re choosing who they support. Call it politics all you want but politics is about people ultimately not just the issues and I think in their quest to show how purer than snow Bernie is, they forget that too much.
re: #130 Dr. Matt
POPCORN!!!
re: #124 Schroedinger’s Dog
That’s why I moved to Hillary. Bernie was striking me more and more as a johnny - one- note
@abradacabla If its between Bernie and any GOP, I’ll vote Bernie.
I’ll also vote to make sure it doesn’t come down to Bernie— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
re: #116 Targetpractice
This “we had to destroy the village to save it mentality” is the kind that eventually leads either to totalitarian dictatorships or a Reign of Terror.
It’s all fun and games until the Committee of Public Safety starts making Prairial laws…
re: #129 b.d.
So Bernie’s gun views are progressive?
He said you can’t be both.
Great. Bernie is now spouting GOP-like talking points about purity tests.
re: #127 Testy Toad T
Like eternal independent Bernie Sanders has any fucking business telling a lifelong democrat how they can or cannot self-identify.
Shut the fuck up, you rambling hick codger.
To be fair, he’s talking about ideology not party but I really still think it’s a load of shit since he himself has a record on guns that got him the NRA’s endorsement. And you know what, that’s his right but he can’t do this I’m more progressive than you when he has that hanging over him.
You can be a dessert topping. You can be a floor wax. But you cannot be a dessert topping and a floor wax. https://t.co/RivC6ZF16h
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) February 3, 2016
re: #129 b.d.
So Bernie’s gun views are progressive?
He said you can’t be both.
That should be tweeted.
You can’t be an independent and a Democrat. Bye Felicia! https://t.co/9mSFZuTS4I
— Allan Brauer (@allanbrauer) February 3, 2016
re: #126 Belafon
I figure the simplest argument to show that income inequality and racism are separate are the black guys sitting at the Woolworth counter. If it were just income related, there was no reason those guys shouldn’t have been served.
It’s a fair point. But a decent amount of the historical record has suggested that the powerful, particularly in pre-Civil Rights Era South, used racist policies to keep poor whites distracted from their own poor economic situation. They’re both important issues that should be addressed - whether individually or collectively or somewhere in between - in a serious manner. But I’m not sure there’s anyone within the political landscape that can do that effectively right now.
As long as the Democrats don’t devolve into the sewer of “not pure enough” as the RINO sickness on the right, it will be OK. I would sooner slam my balls in a car door than vote (R) for anything. If the Bernie supporters cannot see the difference between night and day it could be scary.
So, “Stand with Rand” becomes “Fall with Paul.”
Zzzzzing!
re: #137 HappyWarrior
To be fair, he’s talking about ideology not party but I really still think it’s a load of shit since he himself has a record on guns that got him the NRA’s endorsement. And you know what, that’s his right but he can’t do this I’m more progressive than you when he has that hanging over him.
No, he’s talking specifically about Hillary.
re: #142 nines09
As long as the Democrats don’t devolve into the sewer of “not pure enough” as the RINO sickness on the right, it will be OK. I would sooner slam my balls in a car door than vote (R) for anything. If the Bernie supporters cannot see the difference between night and day it could be scary.
We don’t need a Berniebagger wing of the Democratic Party.
He tries to excuse the gun issue by pointing out his state. Yes, Vermont doesn’t have much gun violence but people who buy guns in Vermont can and do drive to Boston, New York City, etc and commit crimes with them. That’s the fallacy of the guns as a state issue. And I for one am glad that the Clinton campaign has brought it up if Bernie’s campaign is going to attack her credentials.
re: #143 BongCrodny
So, “Stand with Rand” becomes “Fall with Paul.”
Zzzzzing!
Bye bye bye, bye bye bye Rand…
(to the melody of “Barbara Ann”)
Odd argument since moderate-progressive description fits every Dem Prez in the history of the living. https://t.co/c8vSa9QdLs
— Harrison Hickman (@HickmanPolls) February 3, 2016
The man’s going to have no coattails at all. He’s going to drive the party right over the far-left cliff, until Dem candidates down the ticket are left either running against him or trying to sell people in purple districts on the wonders of socialism.
re: #145 b.d.
I think he can push Hillary a bit further to the left. Him and his have to get the big picture. If not, it could be scary.
Bernie is actually insulting a lot of Democratic Party voters who indeed have progressive and moderate views depending on the issue…..including THIS voter.
re: #132 HappyWarrior
That is what bothers me when he and his supporters complain about the DNC. I mean they can cry about politics all they want but Hillary Clinton has campaigned for much more Democrats elections than he has and that is something that office holders remember when they’re choosing who they support. Call it politics all you want but politics is about people ultimately not just the issues and I think in their quest to show how purer than snow Bernie is, they forget that too much.
They’re like most neophytes, they don’t know how little they know, so they think they know everything. It will take some hard hits and severe disappointments before they figure out that compromise is the only way things get done. The Tea Party hasn’t figured this out yet, which was what led to the shutdown.
re: #150 jaunte
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That’s the thing, if you listen to his supporters, every Democrat in history other than FDR was a traitor to the American people because they sold out to “corporate interests.”
re: #141 KGxvi
It’s a fair point. But a decent amount of the historical record has suggested that the powerful, particularly in pre-Civil Rights Era South, used racist policies to keep poor whites distracted from their own poor economic situation. They’re both important issues that should be addressed - whether individually or collectively or somewhere in between - in a serious manner. But I’m not sure there’s anyone within the political landscape that can do that effectively right now.
Agree that racism has been used to keep people poor, but until people start doing the adult thing and accepting responsibility for their racism, the economic issue will not significantly improve.
re: #127 Testy Toad T
Like eternal independent Bernie Sanders has any fucking business telling a lifelong democrat how they can or cannot self-identify.
Shut the fuck up, you rambling hick codger.
Hillary was originally a College Republican but she got better.
re: #113 KGxvi
I think there’s probably a decent argument to be made that racism and economic inequality are all part of the same problem. But Sanders isn’t the politician to make that argument. Hell, there may not be any American politician able to make that argument. It’d probably have to be made by some sort of elder statesman type…
To first order, this argument is simple. The purpose of the GOP Southern strategy was to get racists to vote their resentments to support the plutocracy. Therefore economic issues are primary.
However, racism and plutocracy in the US both have much deeper roots than this, and it’s really hard to make a compelling case that economic issues are primary when the long view is taken.
IMO primary/secondary is a distraction. It’s clear enough that race and class issues have fused in the US such that reforms that don’t explicitly address both race and class are unlikely to be useful.
Speaking of being progressive “some days,” we remember five days in particular that @BernieSanders voted against the Brady Bill. #ENOUGH
— Brady Campaign (@Bradybuzz) February 3, 2016
re: #2 Skip Intro
Fox panel: Ban everyone named ‘Mohammed’ because Muslims have ‘infested’ our homes
Sorry to drag this back to the top of the thread, but I need to know-if Muslims are infesting our homes, where do I need to look? Under the couch cushions? In that rarely used closet in the basement? If they aren’t named Mohammed are they OK?
Good grief.
re: #156 Targetpractice
That’s the thing, if you listen to his supporters, every Democrat in history other than FDR was a traitor to the American people because they sold out to “corporate interests.”
It’s just rank foolishness in a coalition-building presidential campaign, and if it’s coming from Bernie himself, he should just stay in the Senate.
re: #158 Shimshon
Hillary was originally a College Republican but she got better.
When I say “lifelong democrat”, I’m talking about ME.
On some topics I am moderate. On some topics I am progressive. I dare to have more than one policy belief, which frankly is more than I think I can say about thebern.
re: #157 Belafon
Agree that racism has been used to keep people poor, but until people start doing the adult thing and accepting responsibility for their racism, the economic issue will not significantly improve.
And that’s a big part of the reason why I don’t think there’s anyone in politics that can pull this off. People don’t like being confronted about their (often passive) racism. It’s sort of like Godwin’s Law, once you bring it up, you’re not going to change any minds.
re: #152 nines09
I think he can push Hillary a bit further to the left. Him and his have to get the big picture. If not, it could be scary.
The problem isn’t Hillary the problem is the people a President will have to work with. Obama was more left wing before he had to try and negotiate and work with Congress. The same thing happened to Bill Clinton, you have to become more moderate and enact policies you may not agree with, like Barack deporting more illegal immigrants, fighting for the TPP, supporting a more conservative foreign policy with military drone strikes and other controversial actions.
Sound familiar to the Clinton years when Bill came around to supporting legislation the Republicans in Congress were writing like tough on crime bills and NAFTA? This is how Democrats get things done, and then later on the people who sat at home in the midterms get to call left wing politicians like Bill and Barack and now Hillary as “too moderate” or “a Republican.”
re: #44 HappyWarrior
I think she wants to hang on long enough to see if, as is likely, Hillary gets the Democratic nomination. She can then be the Republican nominees Vice President who goes out and say horrifyingly sexist things about Hillary while sheltering behind her own gender.
re: #166 b.d.
Yep, he’s about to have a lot of people who’ve been fighting for progress going after him.
re: #157 Belafon
Agree that racism has been used to keep people poor, but until people start doing the adult thing and accepting responsibility for their racism, the economic issue will not significantly improve.
We see how the “Party of Personal Responsibility” deals with the topic of racism, and pretty much everything else.
Cats. Piddling all over your shit since the 15th century. #MuseumCats on a Deventer document via @jalaffler. pic.twitter.com/WJkdJbkGzX
— Curatorial Cats (@CuratorialCats) February 3, 2016
OT and great fun.
Brilliant bios of male scientists, written the way people too-often write about female scientists. By @Daurmith pic.twitter.com/72hycxT4pE
— Elsa Panciroli (@gsciencelady) February 1, 2016
You can have ideological purity. You can have the White House. You cannot have ideological purity and the White House. @allanbrauer
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
re: #171 The Vicious Babushka
We see how the “Party of Personal Responsibility” deals with the topic of racism, and pretty much everything else.
Yeah tehy bring up what the parties were 150 years ago.
re: #167 HappyWarrior
He asked for it.
If his past history is any indication tomorrow he will be blaming a staffer or how everyone misunderstood that tweet.
re: #164 Testy Toad T
When I say “lifelong democrat”, I’m talking about ME.
On some topics I am moderate. On some topics I am progressive. I dare to have more than one policy belief, which frankly is more than I think I can say about thebern.
Oh sorry thought you were responding to Bernie’s attacks on Hillary by calling her a life long Democrat. I agree with you people are capable of deciding their own beliefs about every issue not “if you are progressive you always have to support x y and z.” I am a progressive who is more favorable towards Israel’s situation and many left wing friends see me as a Republican for that.
YOU CAN BE HOT OR A DOG BUT YOU CAN’T BE A HOT DOG. #ShitBernieSays
— Gus Establishment (@Gus_802) February 3, 2016
re: #176 b.d.
If his past history is any indication tomorrow he will be blaming a staffer or how everyone misunderstood that tweet.
Wouldn’t surprise me. That’s another one of my disappoints with him. He doesn’t know how to say I fucked up.
.@tedcruz really likes the new term he’s coined: “TrumperTantrum” Wonders aloud whether Trump will accuse NH people of being stupid.
— Contessa Brewer (@contessabrewer) February 3, 2016
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh good grief…
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This is the sort of thing that turns me off Sanders. He has good ideas, but his most vocal supporters are jerks, and, every now and then, Sanders makes mistakes, like not fundraising for the lower races and the Wikipedia standoff.
re: #168 Shimshon
The problem isn’t Hillary the problem is the people a President will have to work with. Obama was more left wing before he had to try and negotiate and work with Congress. The same thing happened to Bill Clinton, you have to become more moderate and enact policies you may not agree with, like Barack deporting more illegal immigrants, fighting for the TPP, supporting a more conservative foreign policy with military drone strikes and other controversial actions.
Sound familiar to the Clinton years when Bill came around to supporting legislation the Republicans in Congress were writing like tough on crime bills and NAFTA? This is how Democrats get things done, and then later on the people who sat at home in the midterms get to call left wing politicians like Bill and Barack and now Hillary as “too moderate” or “a Republican.”
The difficulty with this is that when the GOP runs off the right side of the flat earth and the Democrats politely move to the right to stay in the political center, the result is seriously right-wing. This pattern is more prevalent on economic issue than on cultural issues.
Bernie supporters are often irritating when they make this argument, but I do feel their pain.
Cats. Standing all over your shit since the 1st century AD. #MuseumCats on a Roman tile @findsorguk @StaffsWMFLO. pic.twitter.com/Scbksu9mMQ
— Curatorial Cats (@CuratorialCats) February 3, 2016
re: #183 andres
This is the sort of thing that turns me off Sanders. He has good ideas, but his most vocal supporters are jerks, and, every now and then, Sanders makes mistakes, like not fundraising for the lower races and the Wikipedia standoff.
I had to log off reddit until the primary election season is over, the Bernie Bro fanatics are getting to be too much for that once semi entertaining website.
re: #183 andres
every now and then, Sanders makes mistakes, like not fundraising for the lower races
and I quote
Sanders’ campaign hopes such stands are precisely why his “political revolution” won’t need the Democratic infrastructure’s help — top aides believe the sheer breadth of energy from Sanders backers should be more than enough to elect fellow Democrats on his coattails come November 2016.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ohferchrissakes.
re: #183 andres
This is the sort of thing that turns me off Sanders. He has good ideas, but his most vocal supporters are jerks, and, every now and then, Sanders makes mistakes, like not fundraising for the lower races and the Wikipedia standoff.
The lower races is something that really bothers me. It just shows he doesn’t get the big picture, that you need a Congress to govern. I think he’s talked a lot about FDR especially as a President who signed a lot of trans-formative legislation. FDR also campaigned heavily for those who supported his agenda. Sanders thinks if the Republicans oppose him, the people of this country will just vote the Republicans out or take to the streets in anger. Now I’m not someone who’s unwilling to protest but I’m not being a professional protester for Bernie or any President.
re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth
YOU CAN BE A BAT. YOU CAN BE A MAN. YOU CANNOT BE THE BATMAN!#ShitBernieSays
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 3, 2016
re: #184 EPR-radar
The difficulty with this is that when the GOP runs off the right side of the flat earth and the Democrats politely move to the right to stay in the political center, the result is seriously right-wing. This pattern is more prevalent on economic issue than on cultural issues.
Bernie supporters are often irritating when they make this argument, but I do feel their pain.
The only other option is to stay more left wing and totally paralyze Congress so nothing at all gets done. The Democrats learned from the Carter and Dukakis losses that if the majority of voters in midterms keep giving Republicans some power, that means you have to appease them sometimes. That is what compromise is. Obama and Clinton both got some of their policies through by compromising with Congress on some of what they wanted.
re: #184 EPR-radar
The difficulty with this is that when the GOP runs off the right side of the flat earth and the Democrats politely move to the right to stay in the political center, the result is seriously right-wing. This pattern is more prevalent on economic issue than on cultural issues.
Bernie supporters are often irritating when they make this argument, but I do feel their pain.
I do sympathize with that too. I just don’t think they understand that it’s more difficult to govern from the populist left.
re: #184 EPR-radar
The difficulty with this is that when the GOP runs off the right side of the flat earth and the Democrats politely move to the right to stay in the political center, the result is seriously right-wing. This pattern is more prevalent on economic issue than on cultural issues.
Bernie supporters are often irritating when they make this argument, but I do feel their pain.
Sure, however:
When the dog grabs your thesis draft and starts running toward the river, you don’t let go of the leash to ensure you’ll stay safe and dry.
re: #189 HappyWarrior
Sanders thinks if the Republicans oppose him, the people of this country will just vote the Republicans out or take to the streets in anger. Now I’m not someone who’s unwilling to protest but I’m not being a professional protester for Bernie or any President.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but THIS IS NOT HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS ANYWAY.
We have elections and then we vote for people who say that they’ll do the things we want. So, uh, you should try to influence those elections, Bernie.
Dipshit.
re: #171 The Vicious Babushka
We see how the “Party of Personal Responsibility” deals with the topic of racism, and pretty much everything else.
Personal responsibility for GOPers may be their biggest lie of all.
I’m convinced that Gov. Snyder disregarded prior and ongoing warnings about the Flint water disaster because they came from non-GOPers.
A good GOPer like Synder is a practitioner of epistemic closure. Non-GOPers trying to convince Snyder of anything would have had more luck talking to a wall.
Whoever is running Sanders’s Twitter feed really needs to rethink the approach. Why pander to people who already support you? So absurd.
— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) February 3, 2016
Bernie appealing to ultraliberal Democrats by telling them they are wrong.
— Establishment Horse (@chemoelectric) February 3, 2016
Of course there is a diary up on DK praising Bernie for those tweets, calling a drop the mic moment.
Forrest, trees
its moderate
its progressive
its both pic.twitter.com/6CX4uqDvRt— Oliver Willis (@owillis) February 3, 2016
re: #194 Testy Toad T
Not to put too fine a point on it, but THIS IS NOT HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS ANYWAY.
We have elections and then we vote for people who say that they’ll do the things we want. So, uh, you should try to influence those elections, Bernie.
Dipshit.
Yeah no kidding. I think the big thing aside from ideology that separates Bernie 2016 from Obama 2008 is that Obama understood the above. Even when Obama was a little known first term Senator, he built up a ton of good will with Democratic party office holders, candidates, and voters by going around the country to campaign for them and the Democrats in fact did take the Congress in 2006.
The President is the de facto leader of their party. Quelle surprise that somebody who has eschewed parties for essentially his entire career has no grasp of how important this is.
re: #37 lawhawk
Santorum & Rand were always whiskey, strong stuff, not easy for everybody to gulp down.
More like ipecac.
re: #189 HappyWarrior
The lower races is something that really bothers me. It just shows he doesn’t get the big picture, that you need a Congress to govern. I think he’s talked a lot about FDR especially as a President who signed a lot of trans-formative legislation. FDR also campaigned heavily for those who supported his agenda. Sanders thinks if the Republicans oppose him, the people of this country will just vote the Republicans out or take to the streets in anger. Now I’m not someone who’s unwilling to protest but I’m not being a professional protester for Bernie or any President.
Heck, see what’s been happening under Obama for the last 6 years, since the Democrats lost control of the Congress. Not helping the lower races dooms his efforts well before he starts his presidency.
re: #136 Dr. Matt
Great. Bernie is now spouting GOP-like talking points about purity tests.
His fans have been spouting GOP crap about Hillary for ages. And last night, one of his koskids bernsplained that the reason olds don’t like Bernie is because they get all of their information from the tv machine and aren’t internet savvy like the youngs. That if olds could just use social media, they’d see how the awesome Bernie is and FEEL THE BERN!
Not condescending, uh uh. And no cognition of the fact that many of us “olds” have been to this movie before and didn’t like the way it ended.
re: #194 Testy Toad T
Not to put too fine a point on it, but THIS IS NOT HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS ANYWAY.
We have elections and then we vote for people who say that they’ll do the things we want. So, uh, you should try to influence those elections, Bernie.
Dipshit.
Their logic is totally circular. They argue that the system is broken and we need guys “like Bernie” to fix it. But the system is such that guys like Bernie have the hardest time being taken seriously and generally don’t get anywhere. So the Bernie-ians refuse to show up to vote, which leads to Republicans being elected who pass laws and appoint judges who make the system even more broken, leading to Bernie-ians declaring that the system is even more broken and they won’t bother to participate.
re: #203 WhatEVs
More like ipecac.
One is an ipecac, the other a laxative. They can’t be an ipecac AND a laxative.
I really wish that I wouldn’t have been still in the residual leftovers of my “The Left/Democrats hate(s) America and hug terrorists” post-9/11 brain washing during the 2008 election cycle. It would have been fascinating to see the Democratic side of primary season from the inside.
That said, I think I’m seeing the sequel here, except that Sanders isn’t Obama, and never will be. It’s fascinating and borderline comedy to watch droves of people who have no idea how any of this works (because they were too young in previous elections, or just apathetic) pretend like they have it all figured out. The Emoprog BernieBros, regardless of age, will be a source of entertainment for me all year I think.
re: #199 b.d.
Of course there is a diary up on DK praising Bernie for those tweets, calling a drop the mic moment.
Dropping a mic is cheap drama, but it won’t win the presidency.
re: #202 Testy Toad T
The President is the de facto leader of their party. Quelle surprise that somebody who has eschewed parties for essentially his entire career has no grasp of how important this is.
That alone is why one should seriously hesitate at the thought of making him President. I admit it was something I overlooked when I supported him earlier last year. Honestly, I think Bernie’s what I call sheltered. I hope I don’t sound like I’m knocking Vermont. It’s a beautiful state and reliably Democrat at that but in Vermont, Bernie hasn’t had to deal with I’d call real political adversity. And I think strong candidates are ones who have overcome that in some way. I guess they can point to what is happening now as a form of it.
JUST IN: Gov. Scott Declares Health Emergency Due to Zika Virus https://t.co/B5PjmN5QqZ
— WCTV Eyewitness News (@WCTV) February 3, 2016
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Gov. Rick Scott has declared a health emergency in four counties due to the Zika virus.
At least nine cases of the mosquito-borne illness have been detected in Florida. Health officials believe all of the cases are from people who contracted the disease while traveling to affected countries.
Scott signed the order Wednesday to cover Miami-Dade, Lee, Hillsborough and Santa Rosa counties.
Hillary is a progressive EVERY day. Bernie is a Democrat “some days.” https://t.co/GP6TpUyjEK
— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) February 3, 2016
re: #201 HappyWarrior
Yeah no kidding. I think the big thing aside from ideology that separates Bernie 2016 from Obama 2008 is that Obama understood the above. Even when Obama was a little known first term Senator, he built up a ton of good will with Democratic party office holders, candidates, and voters by going around the country to campaign for them and the Democrats in fact did take the Congress in 2006.
Obama on the campaign trail always said whistleblowing and surveillance was a delicate balance of rights vs security, and he was right. Some people tried calling him a flip flopper because he was more moderate in his actions after being elected. They just didn’t listen to him. The same with health care. He also stated like Bernie that Single payer is the best option in the future, but unlike Bernie he mentioned the country is not ready and it would never pass, so Obamacare turned into the compromise.
Electing Obama and Bernie as Kings would definitely push through a progressive agenda.
re: #204 andres
Heck, see what’s been happening under Obama for the last 6 years, since the Democrats lost control of the Congress. Not helping the lower races dooms his efforts well before he starts his presidency.
Right, I’ve seen the Sanders supporters I know bitch at Hillary for saying his health care plan isn’t realistic. Well, considering your guy doesn’t want to campaign for a Democratic majority in Congress, tell me how it is. Bernie hypothetically could do a bunch of executive orders that would help push some of his agenda but at the same time, it would give the Republicans a lot of ammo about a perception that I hate to say it wouldn’t be without merit.
re: #191 Shimshon
The only other option is to stay more left wing and totally paralyze Congress so nothing at all gets done. The Democrats learned from the Carter and Dukakis losses that if the majority of voters in midterms keep giving Republicans some power, that means you have to appease them sometimes. That is what compromise is. Obama and Clinton both got some of their policies through by compromising with Congress on some of what they wanted.
I agree that Clinton struck some deals with the Republicans, and I don’t recall the details well enough to argue the pros and cons of this deals.
However, I can’t think of any such deals that Obama made with the Republicans. Many attempts were made on taxes and spending, but these all came to nothing (good in my view since Obama was putting too much on the table).
The ACA passed with 0 Republican votes, despite countless attempts at compromise with the GOP.
And a fucking cranky ass privileged old white man sure as shit doesn’t get to tell me who or what I am, what labels I can and can’t use.
— Alison Rose (@alisonrose711) February 3, 2016
re: #218 Schroedinger’s Dog
I think the image load was sucking up his data plan.
re: #91 HappyWarrior
That is exactly what I mean about how I hate progressive dick waving contests.
The left’s version of Purity Uber Alles.
Fuck them…compromise is the only way to effectively govern.
re: #210 HappyWarrior
That alone is why one should seriously hesitate at the thought of making him President. I admit it was something I overlooked when I supported him earlier last year. Honestly, I think Bernie’s what I call sheltered. I hope I don’t sound like I’m knocking Vermont. It’s a beautiful state and reliably Democrat at that but in Vermont, Bernie hasn’t had to deal with I’d call real political adversity. And I think strong candidates are ones who have overcome that in some way. I guess they can point to what is happening now as a form of it.
Bernie’s a far-left politician from a deep-blue state that has avoided serious competition by regularly caucusing with the Democrats. Guy’s been in Congress for 19 years, but up until last year most people outside Vermont or the recesses of reddit had never heard of him. Not exactly the profile of a guy who’s prepared to be president.
re: #214 Lidane
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That one has to sting. I’m sure we’ll hear about how Boxer isn’t a real progressive either though because of cherry picked legislation that she voted for or against that they don’t like even though BB has been one of the most liberal members of the Senate during her time there.
Berniebros aren’t ready for the shitstorm from hell the GOP will unleash on him. You know they aren’t, just look at how they react to even the mildest criticism from within the Dems.
Y’all, I wrote a post today. Please clap. https://t.co/sVHHLePtdx
— David Roberts (@drvox) February 3, 2016
HRC is going to beat the crap out of Bernie with that quote of his.
re: #218 Schroedinger’s Dog
I was out…why’d gus leave?
I think it was something I said?
(Don’t really know)
I need a new word for when (I apologize to the saner in the cohort) 23-year-olds tell me how the world is on the internet and how all of these problems are oh so easy to change if we just care harder.
Bernsplaining?
re: #223 Targetpractice
Bernie’s a far-left politician from a deep-blue state that has avoided serious competition by regularly caucusing with the Democrats. Guy’s been in Congress for 19 years, but up until last year most people outside Vermont or the recesses of reddit had never heard of him. Not exactly the profile of a guy who’s prepared to be president.
I think he’s been there longer than that but that of course supports your point.
re: #228 Testy Toad T
I need a new word for when (I apologize to the saner in the cohort) 23-year-olds tell me how the world is on the internet and how all of these problems are oh so easy to change if we just care harder.
Bernsplaining?
Don’t do the age thing please. I understand his supporters do tend to be younger but it’s not an age thing. It’s a mindset thing. Granted I will concede it has to do with maturity which can be correlated with age.
re: #228 Testy Toad T
I need a new word for when (I apologize to the saner in the cohort) 23-year-olds tell me how the world is on the internet and how all of these problems are oh so easy to change if we just care harder.
Bernsplaining?
Milennialspaining. They’ve been saying this shit before they knew who the fuck Bernie Sanders was.
re: #225 ausador
Berniebros aren’t ready for the shitstorm from hell the GOP will unleash on him. You know they aren’t, just look at how they react to even the mildest criticism from within the Dems.
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That’s the single thing I like most about Hillary Clinton as a candidate and (hopefully) President.
She knows the Republicans for what they are, and will be prepared to counter them as best as possible.
I want a competent fighter.
there’s a good pun in this somewhere:
Tornado Warning for Bacon and Coffee County in GA until 4:00pm EST.
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re: #228 Testy Toad T
I need a new word for when (I apologize to the saner in the cohort) 23-year-olds tell me how the world is on the internet and how all of these problems are oh so easy to change if we just care harder.
Bernsplaining?
The term is the Green Lantern Effect.
Raw Story headline: Franklin Graham: Secular government ‘has only taken place in the last few years’
It’s truly awe-inspiring how much one can get away with when coated in even the thinnest veneer of “religion.”
re: #231 Jack Burton
Milennialspaining. They’ve been saying this shit before they knew who the fuck Bernie Sanders was.
Can we not blame an entire generation? Thanks.
re: #217 EPR-radar
I agree that Clinton struck some deals with the Republicans, and I don’t recall the details well enough to argue the pros and cons of this deals.
However, I can’t think of any such deals that Obama made with the Republicans. Many attempts were made on taxes and spending, but these all came to nothing (good in my view since Obama was putting too much on the table).
The ACA passed with 0 Republican votes, despite countless attempts at compromise with the GOP.
Republicans have put forward record obstruction against Obama, that is true. Some small victories though have come through like the appointing of Supreme Court justices, raising the highest tax bracket rate, allowing Obamacare to pass, and probably a few more examples I’m forgetting. The Republicans were rewarded for their obstruction and shutting down government, but in the Clinton years the voters punished them for using those tactics and Congress actually worked, most of the time.
re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth
If Georgians are putting bacon in their coffee, the islamophobia must be having some weird effects.
re: #146 HappyWarrior
He tries to excuse the gun issue by pointing out his state. Yes, Vermont doesn’t have much gun violence but people who buy guns in Vermont can and do drive to Boston, New York City, etc and commit crimes with them. That’s the fallacy of the guns as a state issue. And I for one am glad that the Clinton campaign has brought it up if Bernie’s campaign is going to attack her credentials.
Universal b/g & registration would go a long way to resolve the rather obvious differences whats needed on reducing gun violence in cities & rural America where hunting is not just sport but necessity. It’s a difference irrespective of city state and regional borders or areas.
Looked at objectively one can see it’s a gradient living between extremes. Chicago vs off the grid Alaska.
re: #232 EPR-radar
That’s the single thing I like most about Hillary Clinton as a candidate and (hopefully) President.
She knows the Republicans for what they are, and will be prepared to counter them as best as possible.
I want a competent fighter.
Exactly. I respected Obama, but he was not willing to go bare knuckles with the GOP soon enough, mostly for fear of losing both the House and Senate. We saw how that worked. I don’t think Bernie would do much better. I do think Hillary would cut a bitch.
re: #231 Jack Burton
Milennialspaining. They’ve been saying this shit before they knew who the fuck Bernie Sanders was.
I understand your point and it is condescending but as one of LGF’s millenials, can we not broadbrush. I mean after all the candidate we’re talking about graduated high school when my mom was born and my mom is a grandmother.
re: #236 De Kolta Chair
Raw Story headline: Franklin Graham: Secular government ‘has only taken place in the last few years’
It’s truly awe-inspiring how much one can get away when coated with even the thinnest veneer of “religion.”
Once you start with that bit of fiction, the rest is easy.
re: #237 withak
Can we not blame an entire generation? Thanks.
Sanders took something like 85% of the 19-30 vote in Iowa. This both looks and quacks like a duck.
We’re willing to say that, broadly speaking, black people are a stalwart democratic constituency, right?
re: #246 Testy Toad T
Sanders took something like 85% of the 19-30 vote in Iowa. This both looks and quacks like a duck.
We’re willing to say that, broadly speaking, black people are a stalwart democratic constituency, right?
Pop quiz: How old are the oldest millennials?
re: #112 HappyWarrior
Or these gems “The country will suffer with four years of a Republican president and we’ll jump in and save the day in 2020.” Really, I’m a staunch liberal, I may even be close to a socialist like Bernei in some ways but I will never be a let the house burn in order to save it type of person.
Hard left or hard right, there’s little difference in their madness, just the methods to get there: “We have to kill the country to save it!”
No MBF here, but fuck Trump and his fellow RWNJ candidates and fuck Bernie when he indulges his more idiotic supporters.
re: #237 withak
Can we not blame an entire generation? Thanks.
I saw something today where a Bernie supporter said supporting and voting for McGovern in 72 isn’t the same as Bernie supporters today because it was only “olds” supporting McGovern back then.
I am really sad to learn that, as a McGovern supporter when I was 20 years old, I was already one of the “olds”.
re: #241 Great White Snark
Universal b/g & registration would go a long way to resolve the rather obvious differences whats needed on reducing gun violence in cities & rural America where hunting is not just sport but necessity. It’s a difference irrespective of city state and regional borders or areas.
Looked at objectively one can see it’s a gradient living between extremes. Chicago vs off the grid Alaska.
I understand that. I just disagree with just shrugging it off as state. People love to say HEY DC has strict gun laws and has tons of gun violence but ignore that state (my state) over the river that does not. I think there’s room for reason on this issue but I just don’t think you can just point to your state having less gun crime than the natoinal average and use that as rationale for voting against certain legislation. Besides my point was more how he’s attacking Clinton for not being progressive enough when one can argue he’s insufficiently progressive on this issue.
There are plenty of non-millennial Sanders supporters.
re: #247 withak
Pop quiz: How old are the oldest millennials?
I have no idea — generations are usually a dumb and worthless concept as far as I’m concerned.
re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Gov. Rick Scott has declared a health emergency in four counties due to the Zika virus.
An easier solution….
re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth
I saw something today where a Bernie supporter said supporting and voting for McGovern in 72 isn’t the same as Bernie supporters today because it was only “olds” supporting McGovern back then.
I am really sad to learn that, as a McGovern supporter when I was 20 years old, I was already one of the “olds”.
WTF.
re: #243 Schroedinger’s Dog
Exactly. I respected Obama, but he was not willing to go bare knuckles with the GOP soon enough, mostly for fear of losing both the House and Senate. We saw how that worked. I don’t think Bernie would do much better. I do think Hillary would cut a bitch.
The Democratic party abandoned him starting in 2010 midterms by so many Congress people running away from him and his agenda, and then losing their elections because you just gave Democratic voters no reason to vote for you. You cannot go bare knuckles against domestic terrorists and get anything done, the media was guilty of spinning the shutdown as the fault of both parties, Obamacare as this plan that was going to destroy America, and I do not think the Democrats were expecting people to be so gullible.
re: #252 Testy Toad T
I have no idea — generations are usually a dumb and worthless concept as far as I’m concerned.
That sounds like something a slacker Gen Xer would say…
re: #126 Belafon
I figure the simplest argument to show that income inequality and racism are separate are the black guys sitting at the Woolworth counter. If it were just income related, there was no reason those guys shouldn’t have been served.
Racism caused economic inequality. If we only treat the effects, while leaving the underlying cause alone, it will recur. Quickly.
Somebody who’s spent most of his life, and his entire political career, in a mostly rural State, with 95% white residents, has trouble seeing that.
re: #246 Testy Toad T
Sanders took something like 85% of the 19-30 vote in Iowa. This both looks and quacks like a duck.
We’re willing to say that, broadly speaking, black people are a stalwart democratic constituency, right?
I know but these are individuals. Even if they did vote Bernie, that doesn’t mean all of them are condescending. I mean there black Democrats who are social liberals like you, me, and the majority of the Lizards but others who are more socially conservative. Just saying. Yeah the youth bloc is definitely in Bernie’s camp but that doesn’t mean every young Sanders supporter is a holier than thou asshole.
re: #225 ausador
Berniebros aren’t ready for the shitstorm from hell the GOP will unleash on him. You know they aren’t, just look at how they react to even the mildest criticism from within the Dems.
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No shit, Bernie supporters squeal if you so much as question his ability to win the presidency. How are they going to take it when the SuperPACs begin raining down hour after hour of “Sanders is a Socialist! Real Americans don’t vote for socialists!” campaign ads? Or Rubio lights into him for being an old man who’s totally out of touch with the problems of modern America?
re: #252 Testy Toad T
I have no idea — generations are usually a dumb and worthless concept as far as I’m concerned.
I tend to agree, which is why I object to generalizations of entire generations. I find the whole concept silly.
The oldest millennials are 36. As someone who just barely squeaked in as a member of the previous generation, I find it quite amusing that everyone’s picture of millennials is the clueless ideologue college student.
re: #243 Schroedinger’s Dog
Exactly. I respected Obama, but he was not willing to go bare knuckles with the GOP soon enough, mostly for fear of losing both the House and Senate. We saw how that worked. I don’t think Bernie would do much better. I do think Hillary would cut a bitch.
Hillary can be extremely frightening when she wants to.
re: #251 Belafon
There are plenty of non-millennial Sanders supporters.
Yep. They generally have the same grasp of presidential politics as the average 18-30 year old does too.
If they paid attention in the past, they were Obama supporters who jumped ship and labeled him “Just as bad as George Bush” the first time he had to compromise to get something done.
I like Bernie Sanders, don’t get me wrong. But he’s not ready for prime time. If he gets the nomination he will be ROFLstomped by the GOP and have a Walter Mondale-like Electoral Vote count in the General for a multitude of reasons.
re: #257 Kragar
That sounds like something a slacker Gen Xer would say…
TRICKED YOU, I’M A SELF-ABSORBED PARTICIPATION-RIBBON MILLENIAL MUAHAHAHA
near Columbia, SC
South Carolina #Tornado Warning – Possible Touchdown
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re: #262 Belafon
From Wikipedia, anyone born around 1981 to about 1996.
Ah a year off then, I was using ‘81 as my starting date.
re: #268 HappyWarrior
Ah a year off then, I was using ‘81 as my starting date.
That’s the trouble with generations/demographics; they seem to move the goalposts around for no apparent reason. I’ve gone with 1980 as the demarcation point and I’m sticking to it.
I easily pass three out of four of @SenSanders’ progressive litmus tests (didn’t reflexively oppose the TPP) yet he’s still pissing me off.
— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) February 3, 2016
you and the Unabomber both went to Harvard https://t.co/DpV8hBkoi3
— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) February 3, 2016
the hits are still coming:
Was it “Progressive” to vote to protect racist Minute Men on our southern border?#NHPrimary #FITN https://t.co/a0n5qzPJQC
— Linda (@GoldieAZ) February 3, 2016
re: #228 Testy Toad T
I need a new word for when (I apologize to the saner in the cohort) 23-year-olds tell me how the world is on the internet and how all of these problems are oh so easy to change if we just care harder.
Bernsplaining?
How about “tinkerbelling”? You know, if you just believe hard enough and clap loud enough?
re: #156 Targetpractice
That’s the thing, if you listen to his supporters, every Democrat in history other than FDR was a traitor to the American people because they sold out to “corporate interests.”
Manhattan Project, which started in FDR’s admin, was costing about 10% of the GNP for several years running, with plenty of “corporate interests” involved. Not saying that was wrong.
Sorry guys. Just a little sensitive. I get frustrated as it is when I see older conservatives shit on my generation for being “too PC” and “not appreciating anything.” I mean are there selfish milleninal brats who don’t see the big picture? Of course there are but there’s also a lot of selfish Gen Xers who gave us Bush by only caring about taxes and then the Boomers who did a lot of protesting in the 60’s and then gave us Reagan. And of course awesome people from all three generations are neither. Individuals not groups. Rant off.
#TedCruz tries to troll Obama, gets trolled instead #IowaCaucus #YouCruzYouLose https://t.co/O1pxUCaVnn pic.twitter.com/uJcnlB3H9w
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re: #270 withak
That’s the trouble with generations/demographics; they seem to move the goalposts around for no apparent reason. I’ve gone with 1980 as the demarcation point and I’m sticking to it.
Yeah it is.
re: #278 Decatur Deb
So we’ve heard the last about Old White Guys?
Que? I don’t mind the old white guys. An old white hippie shaped my political compass. I just mind the old white guys who think only their voice should be heard, that is to say not you.
re: #247 withak
Pop quiz: How old are the oldest millennials?
Depends on how you define Millenial. Generations don’t tend to have hard start and end dates. but roughly 35 if you go by a 1980 start date.
@BernieSanders Most progressives I know don’t vote for pro-NRA legislation consistently.
— Varek Raith (@VarekRaith) February 3, 2016
re: #268 HappyWarrior
Ah a year off then, I was using ‘81 as my starting date.
This isn’t an exact science, and if you ask 10 people you will get 10 different answers.
I only use the word millennial because it’s easier than saying “18 to 30 year olds” or “people who don’t remember 2400 bps modems” all the time when discussing 18-30 year olds.
JHFC… If it bothers you all that much I will say “18 to 30 year olds”.
And that’s it.
Bernie, you can now piss off.
Dammit.
re: #270 withak
That’s the trouble with generations/demographics; they seem to move the goalposts around for no apparent reason. I’ve gone with 1980 as the demarcation point and I’m sticking to it.
If you read the Wikipedia article, it mentions that the dates aren’t tied down precisely. Which is why I included the word “around”.
re: #277 jaunte
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This is what a giraffe looks like with his mouth full pic.twitter.com/gQwl4yPXXw
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re: #283 Jack Burton
This isn’t an exact science, and if you ask 10 people you will get 10 different answers.
I only use the word millennial because it’s easier than saying “18 to 30 year olds” or “people who remember 2400 bps modems” all the time when discussing 18-30 year olds.
JHFC… If it bothers you all that much I will say “18 to 30 year olds”.
It’s cool. No sweat.
re: #286 Schroedinger’s Dog
Warn a guy before you post that picture, I almost put my fist through my monitor.
I know that face. That’s the “I think that might have been a wet one” face.
I really like that @SenSanders basically just told moderates to go fuck themselves. What an awesome electoral strategy.
— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) February 3, 2016
re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth
This is what a giraffe looks like with his mouth full
Just looks chagrined.
@DavidCornDC you are fucking stupid
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I think we found Chris Christie’s speechwriter. https://t.co/xETNG0Gfoq
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re: #289 Testy Toad T
I know that face. That’s the “I think that might have been a wet one” face.
I either want to punch that sanctimonious son of a bitch in the nose or slap Rubio across the side of the head and tell him not to be such a WATB.
re: #285 Belafon
If you read the Wikipedia article, it mentions that the dates aren’t tied down precisely. Which is why I included the word “around”.
Yeah, I get you. My brain is hard-wired for not-fuzzy categorizations, though, which is another reason this generation stuff gets me going.
re: #290 goddamnedfrank
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I hate saying it but his rhetoric there really reminds me of the Republicans that thankfully were why the GOP did not regain the Senate in 2012. Not quite Mourdock saying his idea of bipartisanship is the Dems doing what the Republicans want but still makes him look like someone who feels “If you’re not with me 100%, then you’re not worth it.”
BWAHAHAHAAAAA
Started out as 1 of 17 GOP Candidates, now with Rand Paul & Rick Santorum out, 1 or 9. #StillStanding
— Jim Gilmore (@gov_gilmore) February 3, 2016
re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Heh brings to mind the Young Guns photo of Ryan, Cantor, and McCarthy. Now only Ryan reminds part of the leadership and has to be careful not to step on the firebagger’s tip toes.
re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth
BWAHAHAHAAAAA
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There’s actually a story on HuffPost with one of his 12 disciples, err 12 supporters. The guy likes that Gilmore is a veteran, was governor of Va when 9/11 happened, and chaired something relating to WMDs. I have to say. It was relatively intelligent for a Republican but granted Gilmore for all my faults with him isn’t insane. He’s just ya know not viable.
My annoyances aside, I’ll still vote for Bernie if he’s the nom.
I’ll just be :P at the machine.
re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth
BWAHAHAHAAAAA
At one of my early programming jobs, I was junior programmer out of 14 people. 12 months later, I was junior programmer out of 4 people. I know how he feels.
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re: #302 Not a Sparkly Vampire
My annoyances aside, I’ll still vote for Bernie if he’s the nom.
I’ll just be :P at the machine.
I’ll still vote for him, but be much more nervous about the whole thing,
re: #302 Not a Sparkly Vampire
My annoyances aside, I’ll still vote for Bernie if he’s the nom.
I’ll just be :P at the machine.
I will too. I like him ideologically alright but I just think he’s not presidential material but I’d take him over any of the Republicans running since his legislation will actually help and not fuck people over.
re: #305 HappyWarrior
I will too. I like him ideologically alright but I just think he’s not presidential material but I’d take him over any of the Republicans running since his legislation will actually help and not fuck people over.
Yep, it’s as simple as that.
re: #306 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Yep, it’s as simple as that.
And let me add that thinking that doesn’t in any mean they can say I’m not a real progressive.
re: #223 Targetpractice
Bernie’s a far-left politician from a deep-blue state that has avoided serious competition by regularly caucusing with the Democrats. Guy’s been in Congress for 19 years, but up until last year most people outside Vermont or the recesses of reddit had never heard of him. Not exactly the profile of a guy who’s prepared to be president.
Bernie has a message that a lot of people want, and need, to hear. It is like water on a parched desert to many. He is not the best person to bring that message, or act on it, but he is the one who stepped up. It is a testament to how alienated many middle class people feel, and how out of touch the political establishments are, that he has done as well as he has.
re: #307 HappyWarrior
And let me add that thinking that doesn’t in any mean they can say I’m not a real progressive.
Indeed. It means you realize how shit gets done in Washington. Agonizingly slow and in small, incremental steps.
re: #309 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Indeed. It means you realize how shit gets done in Washington. Agonizingly slow and in small, incremental steps.
Yep.
re: #309 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Indeed. It means you realize how shit gets done in Washington. Agonizingly slow and in small, incremental steps.
Some people have come to expect instant gratification in everything. “I voted for Obama, now I want everything promised right now!”
Rand Paul pulls out with Santorum right behind him.
Ok, I’m done now.— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) February 3, 2016
re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth
I bet that requires a lot of cleanup must have been messy
re: #52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
NH is do or die for Kasich and Christie. Jeb! can hang around, I think. But not for much longer.
Rubio was the breakthrough the so-called GOP establishment needed Monday night.
Kasich swears he is in it fore the long run. I suspect he has a bit more big ‘establishment’ money than he is letting on. I am willing to bet that if you can get the GOP establishment to talk, they would be far more comfortable with Ohio Johnny than Jeb or Rubio.
If Kasich gets second in New Hampshire look out.
(Even though I am from Ohio this is not an endorsement. I just like to give the view from Ohio’s Capital City…home of Ohio Johnny)
re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth
I saw something today where a Bernie supporter said supporting and voting for McGovern in 72 isn’t the same as Bernie supporters today because it was only “olds” supporting McGovern back then.
I am really sad to learn that, as a McGovern supporter when I was 20 years old, I was already one of the “olds”.
Me, too!
re: #199 b.d.
Of course there is a diary up on DK praising Bernie for those tweets, calling a drop the mic moment.
Forrest, trees
And in the comments on that diary, there is the (paraphrased) quote—
I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them.
attributed to Harry Truman (and currently with 36 recommendations and nobody pointing out that it was Adlai Stevenson who said it.)
Yes, they have a solid grasp of history and politics and whatever.
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