Bernie Sanders Tweets: “You Cannot Be a Moderate and a Progressive”

I most emphatically do not agree
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It’s not clear if Bernie Sanders himself (or an intern or aide) tweeted this statement earlier today, but it’s causing quite a lot of discussion.

My response:

In my view, it’s not politically smart to stake out an extreme left wing position like this; it’s a mirror image of the Tea Party right, who tolerate only the most ideologically pure in their ranks, and drive out any who believe in compromise.

It’s also not smart because after all, Bernie Sanders is trying to get elected. He’s essentially telling a large portion of the Democratic voting base — who are not all “pure” progressives — he’s not interested in their votes.

And it’s not smart because above all, a president has to have the ability to compromise when it’s called for. This statement seems to be saying he’s never going to be able to do that.

One of the reasons I rejected the right wing many years ago was because of their drive toward far right ideological purity. And that’s another reason why I have a very negative reaction to what seems to be a call for a similar move from the left. This is not smart politics.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:57:22pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:57:49pm

I used to say “In an ideal world, I would vote for Bernie…”. But now it he could only be my candidate in some hypothetical ideological fairyland…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:57:51pm

Going to sit this one out. We’ll need Bernie’s kids to get our shit out of the van on GOTV canvassing.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:57:59pm

In a meta sense, it’s equally damning. Even if Sanders thinks this (and I think that statement is foolish and ungrounded), what kind of idiotic presidential campaign lets him say it?

He does not seem to hire smart advisors, to be perfectly honest. That’s kind of an important part of the job, especially when you’re so down in the goddamned weeds about college debt and Wall Street and whatnot that you don’t even know what foreign policy is.

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b.d.  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:58:51pm

We don’t need an intolerant, purity driven Berniebagger sect of the Democratic Party.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:59:02pm
One of the reasons I rejected the right wing many years ago was because of their drive toward far right ideological purity. And that’s another reason why I have a very negative reaction to what seems to be a call for a similar move from the left. This is not smart politics.

Let’s call it what it is: fucking stupid and pretty much electoral suicide.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 12:59:48pm

I like some of what Bernie says, but shit like this and the Bernbots have guaranteed there is no way in hell I’m voting for this asshole in the primary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:00:45pm

It all started with this:

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:02:09pm

Was just reading over at WaPo that, even with 7 in 10 Iowans identifying themselves as liberals, Bernie only won their vote by 4% over Hillary. I can’t help but wonder if his handlers saw that breakdown of the entrance polls and concluded that, if he’d taken a larger portion of that vote, he could have beat her in Iowa and thus gotten the momentum he seems to feel he was robbed of.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:02:57pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

The annoying thing about that statement is that those two words aren’t on the same continuum. They have nothing to do with each other.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:03:17pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Was just reading over at WaPo that, even with 7 in 10 Iowans identifying themselves as liberals, Bernie only won their vote by 4% over Hillary. I can’t help but wonder if his handlers saw that breakdown of the entrance polls and concluded that, if he’d taken a larger portion of that vote, he could have beat her in Iowa and thus gotten the momentum he seems to feel he was robbed of.

If that’s the case then I really think he’s got an upriver battle. That’s not even mentioning he doesn’t poll well with racial minorities.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:03:22pm

What next, Bernie in a tank?
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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:04:11pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:04:21pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Was just reading over at WaPo that, even with 7 in 10 Iowans identifying themselves as liberals, Bernie only won their vote by 4% over Hillary. I can’t help but wonder if his handlers saw that breakdown of the entrance polls and concluded that, if he’d taken a larger portion of that vote, he could have beat her in Iowa and thus gotten the momentum he seems to feel he was robbed of.

Magical thinking.

1. Win Iowa/white liberals
2. Bernmentum
3. ????
4. Broad constituency and nomination!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:04:56pm

re: #13 Kragar

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Funny how it’s only women who shout too much.
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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:05:30pm

Ideological purity doesn’t serve the Democrats well, not when they’re not only trying to keep the White House but attempt to take back Congress. You’re not going to get coattails if you’re working to piss off a significant contingent of Democrats who identify as moderates.

Is there a single perfect candidate for Democrats? Nope. It’s going to be a compromise. But even a compromise Democrat candidate is better than any of the GOPers under consideration.

Not sure who I’d vote for in the NJ primary (and probably the decision will be made well before then who the Democrats will be nominating by then), but I know what button I’m pushing in November.

And it isn’t the GOP line.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:05:36pm

re: #13 Kragar

Washington Post editor Bob Woodward says Hillary Clinton shouts too much…

What a condescending piece of shit. I guarantee he’d never say that about a male candidate. Asshole.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:05:40pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Was just reading over at WaPo that, even with 7 in 10 Iowans identifying themselves as liberals, Bernie only won their vote by 4% over Hillary. I can’t help but wonder if his handlers saw that breakdown of the entrance polls and concluded that, if he’d taken a larger portion of that vote, he could have beat her in Iowa and thus gotten the momentum he seems to feel he was robbed of.

Wait, 7 in 10 Iowans identify as liberal?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:06:50pm

re: #15 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Funny how it’s only women who shout too much.
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It’s those shrill sopranos that give the contraltos a bad name.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:06:53pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Ideological purity doesn’t serve the Democrats well, not when they’re not only trying to keep the White House but attempt to take back Congress. You’re not going to get coattails if you’re working to piss off a significant contingent of Democrats who identify as moderates.

Is there a single perfect candidate for Democrats? Nope. It’s going to be a compromise. But even a compromise Democrat candidate is better than any of the GOPers under consideration.

Not sure who I’d vote for in the NJ primary (and probably the decision will be made well before then who the Democrats will be nominating by then), but I know what button I’m pushing in November.

And it isn’t the GOP line.

Exactly I may be a liberal but I realize that there are people in this party who aren’t as liberal as me. It doesn’t make them lesser Democrats. IT just means we don’t always agree. Parties should have a core set of values that they agree on but they should never be purity contests and the second they are is the second that party becoems weak natoinally.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:07:00pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Ideological purity doesn’t serve the Democrats well, not when they’re not only trying to keep the White House but attempt to take back Congress. You’re not going to get coattails if you’re working to piss off a significant contingent of Democrats who identify as moderates.

Is there a single perfect candidate for Democrats? Nope. It’s going to be a compromise. But even a compromise Democrat candidate is better than any of the GOPers under consideration.

Not sure who I’d vote for in the NJ primary (and probably the decision will be made well before then who the Democrats will be nominating by then), but I know what button I’m pushing in November.

And it isn’t the GOP line.

Yeah, this quest to find the ‘perfect’ candidate is a fool’s errand.
Ain’t ever gonna happen.
Never. Ever.
Why do so many on the left think they exist?
SMH.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:07:05pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Wait, 7 in 10 Iowans identify as liberal?

7 in 10 of Iowans who voted in the Democratic caucuses self-identified as liberals, according to WaPo. And Bernie only got 50% of their vote versus 46% for Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:07:14pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Wait, 7 in 10 Iowans identify as liberal?

I think he means Iowa Democratic voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:08:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:08:26pm

re: #21 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Yeah, this quest to find the ‘perfect’ candidate is a fool’s errand.
Ain’t ever gonna happen.
Never. Ever.
Why do so many on the left think they exist?
SMH.

They think a perfect candidate is one who agrees with them most. You know who signed some of the most progressive legislation since FDR? Not Kennedy, not Carter, not Clinton, and not Obama but LBJ, a Texan who was the conservative bloc’s pick for president in 1960.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:08:44pm

Dear fellow progressives (at least some of you): false equivalence and confirmation bias are Republican values and not ours, okay?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:08:48pm

BRB, gotta run to the store.

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Jack Burton  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:09:00pm

Every once in a while, when America *really* needs it, an semi-socialist (who never uses that word to describe him or what he’s doing) gets in power and saves us, and American capitalism from a Marxist revolution bloodbath.

FDR did it with the New Deal. We really need a Newer Deal, but Bernie Sanders isn’t another FDR. He’s turning into the left wing mirror image of the Tea Party, and it’s going to end really badly for him as far as becoming President and getting anything done is concerned.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:09:18pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

What a condescending piece of shit. I guarantee he’d never say that about a male candidate. Asshole.

That is a douchy thing to say given the way I am sure he meant it. That being said one thing I have noticed, listening to her rallies is she does actually shout a lot. But her shouting, to my ears just comes off as shouting lacking actual passion about whatever she is shouting about.

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b.d.  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:09:20pm

This was posted downstairs

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:09:46pm

re: #30 b.d.

This was posted downstairs

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Ouch.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:09:52pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Chris Christie and Donald Trump couldn’t be reached for comment.

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Franklin  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:10:10pm

I am getting a spinny green arrow when I try to load new comments. Mac/Chrome. Restarted browser same issue. Could just be me but wanted to share.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:10:28pm

Oh, shit. Some moonbat adviser must have told him that the masses are pining away for the second coming of Eugene Debs. They aren’t, and this kind of rhetoric will derail his campaign faster than Roger Ailes can hope (if in fact he doesn’t want Bernie as the Dem nominee).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:10:43pm

re: #32 lawhawk

Chris Christie and Donald Trump couldn’t be reached for comment.

I was going to say. Those two are teh biggest shouters out there. Don’t see Woodward condemning them. Anyhow, he cracked the scandal of last century but he’s a bit of a dick who holds grudges.

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:11:41pm

Sorry to go OT, but I have to ask: On the ride back from a client meeting, I heard on 1010 WINS that Trump believes that Cruz stole the Iowa caucus and wants another election?

Has this been covered today?

Also - seriously? Looks like Trump waited a day before letting his inner sore loser loose.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:12:05pm

NH GOP Rep: Giving Public Assistance To Muslims Is ‘Treason’!

A Republican state representative in New Hampshire on Wednesday submitted testimony to a state House committee hearing arguing that giving public assistance to Muslims amounts to treason.

State Rep. Ken Weyler submitted the testimony for a hearing on a bill he co-sponsored that would prohibit “any member of a foreign terrorist organization from receiving public assistance, medical assistance, or food stamps.”

But Weyler’s testimony went way farther than the bill purports to go.

Giving public benefits to any person or family that practices Islam is aiding and abetting the enemy. That is treason,” Weyler wrote in his testimony, according to a copy of the testimony submitted by Weyler and provided to TPM by the state House Democrats’ office.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:12:40pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Sorry to go OT, but I have to ask: On the ride back from a client meeting, I heard on 1010 WINS that Trump believes that Cruz stole the Iowa caucus and wants another election?

Has this been covered today?

Also - seriously? Looks like Trump waited a day before letting his inner sore loser loose.

It’s a real thing in the twitterverse.

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Jack Burton  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:12:40pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Oh, shit. Some moonbat adviser must have told him that the masses are pining away for the second coming of Eugene Debs. They aren’t, and this kind of rhetoric will derail his campaign faster than Roger Ailes can hope (if in fact he doesn’t want Bernie as the Dem nominee).

I’m pretty sure the GOP wants him to be the candidate because they know they will steamroll him. I’m sure there’s a 2016 version of Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’ going on in states with open primaries.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:13:35pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Sorry to go OT, but I have to ask: On the ride back from a client meeting, I heard on 1010 WINS that Trump believes that Cruz stole the Iowa caucus and wants another election?

Has this been covered today?

Also - seriously? Looks like Trump waited a day before letting his inner sore loser loose.

Yep, he’s throwing a wonderful tantrum about it.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:14:03pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Sorry to go OT, but I have to ask: On the ride back from a client meeting, I heard on 1010 WINS that Trump believes that Cruz stole the Iowa caucus and wants another election?

Has this been covered today?

Also - seriously? Looks like Trump waited a day before letting his inner sore loser loose.

even said he may sue.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:15:11pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

NH GOP Rep: Giving Public Assistance To Muslims Is ‘Treason’!

(snickers) Worked with a guy at an armaments R&D center for 3 years before he mentioned he was a Muslim. His clearance was higher than mine.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:16:20pm

re: #41 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Yep, he’s throwing a wonderful tantrum about it.

Haven’t seen it, but is it due to the Cruz camp putting out that Carson was withdrawing from the race?

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:17:05pm

re: #44 Reality Based Steve

Haven’t seen it, but is it due to the Cruz camp putting out that Carson was withdrawing from the race?

RBS

That, and the fake official voter-shaming flyer.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:17:09pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Sorry to go OT, but I have to ask: On the ride back from a client meeting, I heard on 1010 WINS that Trump believes that Cruz stole the Iowa caucus and wants another election?

Has this been covered today?

Check out the previous thread. And maybe the one before (I hadn’t had much coffee during that one so my memory is a bit vague). ;-)

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:17:59pm

Downstairs Backwoods_Sleuth posted this, but according to my records there are actually still 10 contenders. Did someone drop out and I missed it?

It’s insane that there are still so many of them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:18:36pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

NH GOP Rep: Giving Public Assistance To Muslims Is ‘Treason’!

It’s not treason to be a Muslim, you pathetic right wing fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:19:32pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Downstairs Backwoods_Sleuth posted this, but according to my records there are actually still 10 contenders. Did someone drop out and I missed it?

It’s insane that there are still so many of them.

Trying to think. Maybe BWS made a mistake because your chart looks accurate to me.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:20:32pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Downstairs Backwoods_Sleuth posted this, but according to my records there are actually still 10 contenders. Did someone drop out and I missed it?

It’s insane that there are still so many of them.

Does Jim Gilmore reeeeally count?

Twelve People Voted For Jim Gilmore.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:20:50pm
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StephenMeansMe  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:20:57pm

It’s so similar to typical Tumblr-style political discourse that I want to believe it was a campaign aide… but then there’s that video of Bernie saying something very similar directly about Hillary so I dunno.

Political extremists are always the first to refuse thinking along more than one dimension. It’s stupid. ‘Progressive’ and ‘moderate,’ to me, are independent states of mind. Progressives believe that the future can be better than the present and past. Moderates believe in incremental change rather than wholesale revolution—-that’s for ‘radicals.’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:21:54pm

re: #51 Kragar

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Anyone who says the Senate should have had 100 Jesse Helms is bad enough as is.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:22:16pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Pataki dropped out too. December 30th. He couldn’t even do that right (not waiting until NYE).

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Jenner7  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:22:30pm

Hahaha.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:22:32pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Trying to think. Maybe BWS made a mistake because your chart looks accurate to me.

Those were Gilmore’s numbers, and even he wasn’t sure.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:23:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:23:04pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Pataki dropped out too. December 30th. He couldn’t even do that right (not waiting until NYE).

Oh that’s right, he did.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:23:53pm

re: #55 Jenner7

Yeah, that’s not creepy at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:24:02pm

My state senator the Assad apologist (And that’s not the only fucked pu thing about him) is Cruz’s state chair here in the commonwealth. Again enough said.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:25:06pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Trying to think. Maybe BWS made a mistake because your chart looks accurate to me.

It would’ve been Gilmore’s mistake, not BWS’. I think he got it wrong.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:25:54pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Strangely enough, that’s a very eloquent way to state it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:26:06pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

It would’ve been Gilmore’s mistake, not BWS’. I think he got it wrong.

Oops sorry BWS then.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:26:27pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those were Gilmore’s numbers, and even he wasn’t sure.

My apologies. It was Gilmore’s mistake not yours.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:26:30pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Pataki dropped out too. December 30th. He couldn’t even do that right (not waiting until NYE).

Oh man, I totally missed it! Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:01pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Oh man, I totally missed it! Thanks.

He endorsed Rubio I believe if you’re keeping track of those things.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:05pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Oh man, I totally missed it! Thanks.

It’s ok, Pataki didn’t realize he was running anyway.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:35pm

re: #37 Dr. Matt

NH GOP Rep: Giving Public Assistance To Muslims Is ‘Treason’!

What a pitifully stupid bigot. If all 1.2 billion Muslims were enemies, we would be a on a total war footing, with conscription, 30 million people in uniform, wartime economy, rationing, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:38pm

Ted Cruz ridiculed Donald Trump on Wednesday for his “Trumpertantrum,” citing his recent Twitterstorm as an example of a candidate who doesn’t have the temperament to be commander-in-chief.

“I wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing Donald has tweeted because he’s losing it,” Cruz told reporters in Hooksett, New Hampshire. “We need a commander-in-chief, not a Twitterer-in-chief. We need someone with judgment and the temperament to keep this country safe.”

“I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button,” Cruz continued. “I mean, we’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would have nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe.”

Read more: politico.com

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:43pm

You can break into your opponent’s databases. You can be a magical lily-white unicorn-candidate who is above conventional dirty nasty politics.

You cannot break into your opponent’s databases and be a magical lily-white unicorn-candidate who is above conventional dirty nasty politics.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:27:54pm

re: #67 Not a Sparkly Vampire

It’s ok, Pataki didn’t realize he was running anyway.

GIlmore just makes me laugh. Rememebr he did this in 2008 too and then ran for senator against Warner and lost nearly almost every county and independent city.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:28:02pm

Of course the bigots on Fox want to ban everyone named Mohammed; for years they’ve been trying to ban everyone named Jesus.

Who’s next on their list, Krishna?

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:28:08pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Oh man, I totally missed it! Thanks.

So did everyone else.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:28:30pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dangit world, stop making me occasionally agree with these nuts talking about how nuts the other nuts are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:28:38pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Says the guy who wants to carpet bomb ISIS.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:30:09pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

GIlmore just makes me laugh. Rememebr he did this in 2008 too and then ran for senator against Warner and lost nearly almost every county and independent city.

My mom was an SLP at Annaburg. This was my introduction to Gilmore.
caselaw.findlaw.com

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:31:22pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

He endorsed Rubio I believe if you’re keeping track of those things.

I’m not, but thanks anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:31:24pm
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Shimshon  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:31:55pm

This is their brilliant campaign strategy for attracting more South Carolina voters who were on the fence or thinking of voting Hillary!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:32:28pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I wake up every day and laugh at the latest thing Donald has tweeted because he’s losing it,” Cruz told reporters in Hooksett, New Hampshire. “We need a commander-in-chief, not a Twitterer-in-chief. We need someone with judgment and the temperament to keep this country safe.”

“I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button,” Cruz continued. “I mean, we’re liable to wake up one morning and Donald, if he were president, would have nuked Denmark. That’s not the temperament of a leader to keep this country safe.”

I really wish someone that isn’t a smarmy asshole sad this, because it’s quite good.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:35:20pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

This could go both ways, the Democratic Party could need the support of the youth who supported Sanders.

Last thing they need to inspire in animosity by mockery.

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Unabogie  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:35:29pm

re: #80 Dr. Matt

I was thinking the same thing. He’s getting it that the way to hurt Trump is to mock him, not get angry at what nonsense he spews.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:35:39pm

re: #76 Not a Sparkly Vampire

My mom was an SLP at Annaburg. This was my introduction to Gilmore.
caselaw.findlaw.com

Mine was the non stop car tax repeal commercials.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:36:07pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

I’m not, but thanks anyway.

Not a prob,

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:36:47pm

Today will be remembered for the #TrumperTantrum and #BernieTantrum.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:38:26pm

Okay..gotta go do some work. Later Lizards.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:38:30pm

re: #82 Unabogie

I was thinking the same thing. He’s getting it that the way to hurt Trump is to mock him, not get angry at what nonsense he spews.

Last month Cruz was too much of a coward to go after Trump. Amazing what a victory in Iowa does to grow some testicular fortitude.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:40:10pm

Trump actually could point out that Cruz was fine with him when he was saying nasty stuff about other people.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:40:20pm

re: #87 Dr. Matt

Last month Cruz was too much a coward to go after Trump. Amazing what a victory in Iowa does to grow some testicular fortitude.

Precisely.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:43:37pm

re: #81 Usually refered to as anyways

This could go both ways, the Democratic Party could need the support of the youth who supported Sanders.

Last thing they need to inspire in animosity by mockery.

Two things.
1. Most of the animosity has been coming from Bernie’s supporters.
2. Young people are notoriously unreliable in elections. Most of the time, they can’t be bothered to vote and when they do, it’s only for PotUS. They generally sit out midterms.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:44:22pm

re: #13 Kragar

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I’ve lost so much respect for Woodward. It all started with some of the stupid stuff he was saying about Obama back a couple years ago.

He’s living on his name now and it’s a damn shame he has driven it through the mud.

Why doesn’t he just say what he means? He doesn’t like strong women. I’d have more respect for him just to come out and say it.

Just another Washington Boys Club member.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:44:49pm

I’ve always hated this time of year. End of football season. Baseball season isn’t starting for another couple months. The cold. Valentines Day. Not going to be grinch about it but it does mess around with your psyche.

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bratwurst  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:45:08pm

Typical Bernie fan “outreach”

I have fucking had it with these people.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:46:16pm

re: #93 bratwurst

Typical Bernie fan “outreach”

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I have fucking had it with these people.

And they have the nerve ot complain about how HRC supporters treat them. Dare I say it, they remind me of the vibe I got from the HRC campaign in 2008 and what turned me off her then. Her campaign this time though I think is much more thoughtful and mature.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:47:48pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I don’t know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way having his finger on the button,” Cruz continued.

Yeah, well I’m not comfortable with someone who surrounds himself with bigots and who would wave his Bible in one hand while having his other finger on the button.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:48:01pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

And they have the nerve ot complain about how HRC supporters treat them. Dare I say it, they remind me of the vibe I got from the HRC campaign in 2008 and what turned me off her then. Her campaign this time though I think is much more thoughtful and mature.

REVERSE PUMAS!
Oy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:48:17pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Yeah, well I’m not comfortable with someone who surrounds himself with bigots and who would wave his Bible in one hand while having his finger on the button.

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Nailed it.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:49:39pm

Bundy had initially been scheduled Tuesday to ask a federal judge in Oregon to release him on electronic GPS surveillance, his attorney Mike Arnold said.

But now Bundy will resubmit that request at a later time, his attorneys said in court papers. He will stay incarcerated “to gather further evidence of his statements and actions encouraging a peaceful protest and civil disobedience,” court documents said.

Someone forgot what video means. And that the internet is forever.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:49:53pm

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:50:29pm

re: #74 Testy Toad T

Dangit world, stop making me occasionally agree with these nuts talking about how nuts the other nuts are.

I feel the same way when I read anti-Trump pieces at RedState. In fact, you could have knocked me over with a feather after I read the RedState article that ‘went there’ in terms of Trump’ s appeal to white nationalists.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:51:20pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump is gonna blow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:52:10pm

re: #98 WhatEVs

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Someone forgot what video means. And that the internet is forever.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:52:29pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:52:30pm

Late darn it…Dropping in on a break.
Lets also say what Bernie is NOT doing. Not pandering. Not everything to everybody. less electable? yup. Far more honest? Certainly. While it may be arguable if you can be a progressive and moderate or not, what is far less arguable is that you can not both stand on principle, and change your language a lot just for the election.

Glad it’s his dilemma to resolve not mine. But this is why I like him on the scene.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:52:32pm

re: #99 Kragar

I like that. Several hundred flavors of win in a single tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:52:52pm

re: #100 EPR-radar

I feel the same way when I read anti-Trump pieces at RedState. In fact, you could have knocked me over with a feather after I read the RedState article that ‘went there’ in terms of Trump’ s appeal to white nationalists.

The thing for me honestly is it’s hollow. Okay NRO, RedState, you’re right Trump does have white nationalists backing him and fuck him for that but uh what about NR’s hiring white nationalists. It’s how I feel about WFB being praised for denouncing the Birchers. It’s a lot of hollow crap IMO.

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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:53:18pm

re: #98 WhatEVs

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Someone forgot what video means. And that the internet is forever.

Bundy to his legal team:

Let’s watch some videos and see what I said and figure out what that should be interpreted as.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:53:19pm

re: #103 WhatEVs

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Thanks. Hanging in there as always.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:54:12pm

re: #99 Kragar

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

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Yeah that’s a nice one. Well played.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:54:27pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

The thing for me honestly is it’s hollow. Okay NRO, RedState, you’re right Trump does have white nationalists backing him and fuck him for that but uh what about NR’s hiring white nationalists. It’s how I feel about WFB being praised for denouncing the Birchers. It’s a lot of hollow crap IMO.

Of course it’s hollow. That is to be expected. What surprised me about that RedState business was the acknowledgement that white nationalists exist.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:55:29pm

re: #90 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Two things.
1. Most of the animosity has been coming from Bernie’s supporters.
2. Young people are notoriously unreliable in elections. Most of the time, they can’t be bothered to vote and when they do, it’s only for PotUS. They generally sit out midterms.

Gday SV

Re 1. That may be true, but not as true today, people seem to be taking delight in the statement posted on twitter and seemingly attributing it to Bernie, I’ve not seen any evidence that it was.

Re 2. I agree that this is true, however we are not talking about mid-terms, and I think we need the youth vote.

Cheers

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:55:59pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

Of course it’s hollow. That is to be expected. What surprised me about that RedState business was the acknowledgement that white nationalists exist.

Sure true enough.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:57:15pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:57:27pm

re: #104 Great White Snark

Late darn it…Dropping in on a break.
Lets also say what Bernie is NOT doing. Not pandering. Not everything to everybody. less electable? yup. Far more honest? Certainly. While it may be arguable if you can be a progressive and moderate or not, what is far less arguable is that you can not both stand on principle, and change your language a lot just for the election.

Glad it’s his dilemma to resolve not mine. But this is why I like him on the scene.

You need to read the bottom third of the previous thread.

His progressive principles mysteriously stop at guns. Which, according to him, doesn’t make him a progressive.

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Archangelus  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:57:40pm

You can be a putz. You can be a schmuck. But you cannot be a putz and a schmuck.

Oh wait, turns out you can. Oy..

Appropriate Bernie fan reaction
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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:58:55pm

I don’t know what to do with these guys but they really need to be dealt with. They are, far and away, more of a threat than ISIS will ever be within the US

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:59:38pm
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2016 • 1:59:39pm

re: #113 Kragar

“…Hunt was part of a delegation of out-of-state lawmakers who traveled to Oregon to meet with armed militants who were occupying a federal wildlife refuge”

Stolen valor dipshits flock together.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:01:21pm

re: #113 Kragar

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Lying about military experience in a Republican campaign? No way Jose!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:01:40pm

also, it’s been more than four hours and there’s been no further reports:

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:03:33pm

re: #98 WhatEVs

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Someone forgot what video means. And that the internet is forever.

How does staying incarcerated help him “to gather further evidence of his statements and actions encouraging a peaceful protest and civil disobedience”? That makes no sense. The Little Militia on the Prairie’s thought processes give me a headache.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:04:17pm
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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:05:08pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Yeah, well I’m not comfortable with someone who surrounds himself with bigots and who would wave his Bible in one hand while having his finger on the button.

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Cruz seems like a real-life Greg Stillson to me:

DZ Movie John Smith’s vision of Stillson sending up nukes

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:05:11pm

So I ordered a couple of calendars from Amazon. I usually get William Morris or something artsy, but since I was late this year I decided to go with the Audubon National Parks one (on the wall next to my desk), and the Sierra Sierra Club wilderness one for the wall next to my laptop in the bedroom.

We have such a beautiful country. All can say is anyone who thinks it belongs to them more than it does to me or any other American can go eat a bag of dicks—like the Bible-thumping fundies who think Christians should reign supreme, or the greedy welfare ranchers like the Bundys who think they they’re entitled to steal from the rest of us.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:05:43pm

re: #121 Emoprog Refugee

How does staying incarcerated help him “to gather further evidence of his statements and actions encouraging a peaceful protest and civil disobedience”? That makes no sense. The Little Militia on the Prairie’s thought processes give me a headache.

“Your Honor, notice that I didn’t try to shoot anyone while I was in jail. I didn’t even have a gun. That’s civil disobedience right there.”

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:06:01pm

Hillary comes out swinging

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:06:08pm

re: #114 Belafon

You need to read the bottom third of the previous thread.

His progressive principles mysteriously stop at guns. Which, according to him, doesn’t make him a progressive.

I’ll let progressives decide that one. Did you see what I had said about guns earlier, the rural vs urban gradient?

I’d not let a differing position on guns upset me any more than a fiscal conservative being social issue liberal.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:06:32pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

So I ordered a couple of calendars from Amazon. I usually get William Morris or something artsy, but since I was late this year I decided to go with the Audubon National Parks one (on the wall next to my desk), and the Sierra Sierra Club wilderness one for the wall next to my laptop in the bedroom.

We have such a beautiful country. All can say is anyone who thinks it belongs to them more than it does to me or any other American can go eat a bag of dicks—like the Bible-thumping fundies who think Christians should reign supreme, or the greedy welfare ranchers like the Bundys who think they they’re entitled to steal from the rest of us.

What I love about our country is just how diverse the landscape is. Not too many countries have places like Hawaii and Alaska within them.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:06:42pm

re: #121 Emoprog Refugee

How does staying incarcerated help him “to gather further evidence of his statements and actions encouraging a peaceful protest and civil disobedience”? That makes no sense. The Little Militia on the Prairie’s thought processes give me a headache.

I think he realized that his father threw him under the bus and he has nowhere to go.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:07:54pm

re: #127 Great White Snark

I’ll let progressives decide that one. Did you see what I had said about guns earlier, the rural vs urban gradient?

I’d not let a differing position on guns upset me any more than a fiscal conservative being social issue liberal.

And the point is not about the guns. It’s the absolute line he drew, dividing Democrats by some imaginary line that he thinks he knows.

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:07:59pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe those are all the drones they’ve been spotting.

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:09:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:09:32pm

re: #130 Belafon

And the point is not about the guns. It’s the absolute line he drew, dividing Democrats by some imaginary line that he thinks he knows.

Right, it could be about any issue honestly. He’s the one who chose to make this about who’s more progressive. He really did step into it with that and I have to disagree that he’s not pandering. It’s different than triangulation type pandering but it’s a form of pandering none the less.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:10:04pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Trump actually could point out that Cruz was fine with him when he was saying nasty stuff about other people.

Yeah…come out and tell everyone you both are certified a-holes.

America will believe it.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:10:23pm

OT… Sanity break… Or not…
Fire breathing RC Duck… From HELL!

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:10:36pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

Weren’t they seeing eagles from God, or something? Eagles don’t count as birds on a bird refuge?
Why am I trying to make sense of their nonsense?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:10:38pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

Yeah…come out and tell everyone you both are certified a-holes.

America will believe it.

GOP voters like assholes.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:11:21pm

re: #130 Belafon

My guess is he thinks that’s motivating for his base, running away from Hilary with a will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:11:25pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:12:08pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I’ve always hated this time of year. End of football season. Baseball season isn’t starting for another couple months. The cold. Valentines Day. Not going to be grinch about it but it does mess around with your psyche.

That is why James Naismith invented basketball.

There is sportsball for all seasons!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:12:33pm

re: #136 Emoprog Refugee

Weren’t they seeing eagles from God, or something? Eagles don’t count as birds on a bird refuge?
Why am I trying to make sense of their nonsense?

One of the Bundy gang, “Captain Moroni”, saw a flock of geese and took it as a sign from god, or something.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:12:35pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a fucking dick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:13:26pm

re: #136 Emoprog Refugee

Weren’t they seeing eagles from God, or something? Eagles don’t count as birds on a bird refuge?
Why am I trying to make sense of their nonsense?

Oh, and four holdouts saw an eagle and a red moon when they had that night drinking beer and smoking pot around the campfire. That was also god talking to them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:13:37pm

re: #140 ObserverArt

That is why James Naismith invented basketball.

There is sportsball for all seasons!

Too true but the Wizards are meh. I actually do coach basketball sometiems and score others. IT’s actually my favoriet sport to play.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:13:43pm

Defense attorneys haven’t yet seen the indictments.

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Archangelus  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:14:09pm

re: #126 Kragar

Hillary comes out swinging

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Well we all saw that coming from 10,000 light-years away. Also,

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:14:20pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:14:53pm

re: #132 Kragar

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I will be interested to see him take the fifth time after time after time on live TV…

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:15:06pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another Rand Paul libertarian for Bernie.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:15:12pm

re: #99 Kragar

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

so many mics are dropping we might have to make more.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:15:14pm

re: #136 Emoprog Refugee

Weren’t they seeing eagles from God, or something? Eagles don’t count as birds on a bird refuge?
Why am I trying to make sense of their nonsense?

Cranes clutching dildos.

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:16:31pm

re: #21 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Yeah, this quest to find the ‘perfect’ candidate is a fool’s errand.
Ain’t ever gonna happen.
Never. Ever.
Why do so many on the left think they exist?
SMH.

If you want to find a “perfect candidate” that you’ll agree with on 100% of the issues, there’s only one place to look… the mirror.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:16:43pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Trump is gonna blow.

Well, he already sucks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:18:18pm

tiny violins…

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:18:39pm

re: #148 Aunty Entity Dragon

I will be interested to see him take the fifth time after time after time on live TV…

I am all for it if a couple of those fifths are sentences in years.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:18:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:19:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:19:32pm

re: #152 KGxvi

If you want to find a “perfect candidate” that you’ll agree with on 100% of the issues, there’s only one place to look… the mirror.

Shit I don’t even agree with myself 100% of the time.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:19:36pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

tiny violins…

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Playing their song. It’s a lovely tune, isn’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:20:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:21:31pm

Hay is a lawyer
good grief

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:21:42pm

Can’t wait to see this new Richard Dreyfuss bio-flick about Bern… oh wait.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:22:39pm

re: #162 De Kolta Chair

Can’t wait to see this new Richard Dreyfuss bio-flick about Bern… oh wait.

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I liked that David David impression.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:22:57pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:23:33pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bam!

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:23:38pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:24:05pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

tiny violins…

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They wanted to occupy federal property, they’re getting their wishes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:25:09pm

have some crackers with that whine:

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:19pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

They wanted to occupy federal property, they’re getting their wishes.

I predict a long and highly successful occupation of a federal detention facility somewhere hot and unpleasant.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:22pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:47pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

have some crackers with that whine:

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The crackers are reading along. Those who can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:49pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:59pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

have some crackers with that whine:

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So she wants special treatment for her clients because they hate the government.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:26:59pm

Evening Lizardim.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:27:32pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

have some crackers with that whine:

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More like a dictionary so they can learn the meaning of words.

I don’t even know WTH that was supposed to mean.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:28:37pm

I guess all she can do at this point is try to get her clients off on a technicality, i.e. whine that they’re not getting “fair” treatment.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:29:48pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

I guess all she can do at this point is try to get her clients off on a technicality, i.e. whine that they’re not getting “fair” treatment.

Every defendant needs to have competent legal counsel, but militia whack jobs really do test that ideal severely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:30:20pm

If they are sleeping in their cars to keep warm, I’m guessing the power was cut to the refuge and either they don’t know how the generator works or the people who left took it with them.

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:30:21pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:30:35pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

What I love about our country is just how diverse the landscape is. Not too many countries have places like Hawaii and Alaska within them.

This. It chokes me up when I look at how beautiful it all is. We took it from the Native Americans, but at least some of our leaders had the good sense to preserve & protect what can never be replaced. It makes me spitting mad when someone claims it belongs exclusively to his/her group, or when they just want to profit from it finacially.

Hell, if we’d stuck with that mentality…. left to their own devices people will do shit like hunt species to extinction, as we almost did with our bison.

Human impact

The extinction of four species of bison (B. antiquus, B. latifrons, B. occidentalis, and B. priscus) is linked to natural selection.[citation needed] Humans were almost exclusively accountable for the near-extinction of the American bison in the 1800s. At the beginning of the century, tens of millions of bison roamed North America. Humans slaughtered an estimated 50 million bison, generally for their meat or hides. This practice of overhunting the bison reduced their population to hundreds. Attempts to revive the American bison, however, have been highly successful. Farming of bison has increased their population to nearly 150,000. The American bison is, therefore, no longer considered an endangered species.

en.wikipedia.org

So yeah, greedy humans turned this:

Into this:

Photo from the 1870s of a pile of American bison skulls waiting to be ground for fertilizer.

To hell with the Ayn Rands, Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzes and Bundys of the world. *spit*

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:31:10pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:31:17pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

They wanted to occupy federal property, they’re getting their wishes.

Yep. A federal home for life!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:33:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:34:13pm

yep…

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:34:58pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

Every defendant needs to have competent legal counsel, but militia whack jobs really do test that ideal severely.

Nuts with nutty thinking and nutty representatives.

Talk about an echo chamber inside a bubble.

Why, them boys need to get on down to the city sometime and see how things work, maybe meet some people of color and see some sights other than the ass end of a beefy herd.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:36:13pm

re: #182 jaunte

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Jeb mad the same mistake Carson made. Everyone assumed Jeb was the smart brother, and a brain surgeon would be pretty smart, then both of them spoke, showing the world that those assumptions were completely incorrect.

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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:37:21pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

Rare Arizona jaguar roams mountains near Tucson

Remote sensor cameras have photographed El Jefe repeatedly in the Santa Rita Mountains in recent years, the news release said. El Jefe is the only verified jaguar in the country since Macho B was euthanized in March 2009 after being injured during his capture.

Macho B was ‘euthanized’ for dehydration, as it turned out. And yesterday the folks keeping track of the wolves in Arizona accidentally killed two they wanted to put collars on. This is why wildernesses are good. Leave those animals alone!

That video has the best US jaguar footage ever.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:38:11pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…

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Hey, Oregon ranchers: Welcome to my world. It sucks to have people judge you by the actions of some groups of extremists you have no control over, doesn’t it?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:39:13pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

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Macho B was ‘euthanized’ for dehydration, as it turned out. And yesterday the folks keeping track of the wolves in Arizona accidentally killed two they wanted to put collars on. This is why wildernesses are good. Leave those animals alone!

That video has the best US jaguar footage ever.

Oh wow! Gorgeous, thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:40:52pm

Also, Pete Santilli is going to have a hard time claiming that he was only there as a journalist when, right before his arrest, he was caught on camera talking on the phone to Blaine Cooper telling Cooper that he was now in command of the refuge.

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Billy Batts  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:42:30pm

I guess my tweet was popular.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:43:22pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

This. It chokes me up when I look at how beautiful it all is. We took it from the Native Americans, but at least some of our leaders had the good sense to preserve & protect what can never be replaced. It makes me spitting mad when someone claim it belongs exclusively to his/her group, or when they just want to profit from it finacially.

Hell, if we’d stuck with that mentality…. left to their own devices people will do shit like hunt species to extinction, as we almost did with our bison.

So yeah, greedy humans turned this:

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Into this:

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To hell with the Ayn Rands, Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzes and Bundys of the world. *spit*

I got my tough lesson about how certain people can be just outright pigs with public lands.

I used to go fishing a lot. I loved the solitude and a buddy and I used to make our outings more about discussing philosophy and religion, etc. rather than fishing.

Anyway…a lot of fishing enthusiasts consider themselves to be nature conservatives and outdoorsmen.

How hard is it for you to pick up your bait containers and the beer and soda cans and the rest of the damn trash you left out in a nice public area around an Ohio reservoir, stream, creek, etc. You carried it in…it weighs less taking it out. Fucking pigs.

And I’ll let you guess what type of individuals were the most common nature abusers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:48:40pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

I got my tough lesson about how certain people can be just outright pigs with public lands.

I used to go fishing a lot. I loved the solitude and a buddy and I used to make our outings more about discussing philosophy and religion, etc. rather than fishing.

Anyway…a lot of fishing enthusiasts consider themselves to be nature conservatives and outdoorsmen.

How hard is it for you to pick up your bait containers and the beer and soda cans and the rest of the damn trash you left out in a nice public area around an Ohio reservoir, stream, creek, etc. You carried it in…it weighs less taking it out. Fucking pigs.

And I’ll let you guess what type of individuals were the most common nature abusers.

I never became a good fisherman but some of my fondest memories are of my grandfather taking me and my brother fishing. It was cool. There was a railroad near the lake and the train would come by. What I remember though is we never ate any of the fish we caught. Always threw them back in afterwards.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:50:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:50:36pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:51:37pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

SOOPER SEKRIT MUSLIM!!!!!1!111onety

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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:52:07pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:52:23pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:53:14pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

This. It chokes me up when I look at how beautiful it all is. We took it from the Native Americans, but at least some of our leaders had the good sense to preserve & protect what can never be replaced. It makes me spitting mad when someone claim it belongs exclusively to his/her group, or when they just want to profit from it finacially.

Hell, if we’d stuck with that mentality…. left to their own devices people will do shit like hunt species to extinction, as we almost did with our bison.

So yeah, greedy humans turned this:

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To hell with the Ayn Rands, Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzes and Bundys of the world. *spit*

I think I’ve mentioned this before…but we have local Bison here in Columbus. They are in one of our nicer parks on the west side of the metro area at Darby Creek Park.

The creek itself is a jewel. It is very clean and is on the national protected waterways list. The state and the city have done a great job of making sure there has been no heavy agricultural run-off for 30 years now, so the creek is clear and clean.

Here is a picture from Mother’s Day a year ago…the herd is actually producing offspring.

Columbus Metro Parks System - Darby Creek Park Bison Herd
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:53:37pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

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That’s pretty moderate compared with the preachers who the GOP candidates have appeared with who actually support the death penalty for gay marriage or even lay people like Phil Robertson who wants it to be a crime to support gay people. I’m with you Charles, I think it’s adorable when conservatives act like they give two shits about gay people having rights when they bitch about stuff like this. Obama has done more for LGBT rights than any other president combined and the Republican Party has made a good living bashing LGBT Americans for votes. So yeha this imam is probably a homophobic jerk but so is the person who are going to represent the GOP as their nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:54:42pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

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Yeah huh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 2:58:05pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

This. It chokes me up when I look at how beautiful it all is. We took it from the Native Americans, but at least some of our leaders had the good sense to preserve & protect what can never be replaced. It makes me spitting mad when someone claims it belongs exclusively to his/her group, or when they just want to profit from it finacially.

Hell, if we’d stuck with that mentality…. left to their own devices people will do shit like hunt species to extinction, as we almost did with our bison.

So yeah, greedy humans turned this:

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Into this:

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To hell with the Ayn Rands, Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzes and Bundys of the world. *spit*

Right on. Agreed with all said.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:03:17pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I think I’ve mentioned this before…but we have local Bison here in Columbus. They are in one of our nicer parks on the west side of the metro area at Darby Creek Park.

The creek itself is a jewel. It is very clean and is on the national protected waterways list. The state and the city have done a great job of making sure there has been no heavy agricultural run-off for 30 years now, so the creek is clear and clean.

Here is a picture from Mother’s Day a year ago…the herd is actually producing offspring.

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Beautiful! I love it when government works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:03:51pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:06:04pm

i dont think bernie’s in the business of “smart politics”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:09:18pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

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gocart mozart  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:09:44pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:11:18pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:11:40pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty moderate compared with the preachers who the GOP candidates have appeared with who actually support the death penalty for gay marriage or even lay people like Phil Robertson who wants it to be a crime to support gay people. I’m with you Charles, I think it’s adorable when conservatives act like they give two shits about gay people having rights when they bitch about stuff like this. Obama has done more for LGBT rights than any other president combined and the Republican Party has made a good living bashing LGBT Americans for votes. So yeha this imam is probably a homophobic jerk but so is the person who are going to represent the GOP as their nominee.

This kind of bullshit doesn’t work on LGBT people. We know who our enemies are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:12:38pm
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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:13:33pm

And on a lighter note…
LOL @ Hamas

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:13:55pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:14:05pm

unless i am not actually psychic and cant predict the future after all, cruz will die slowly starting this week and der donhalt will own the republican party

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:14:18pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That Malala she’s certainly destroying women. Really, they need to just stop this crap. Yes, there is a lot of sexism in the Muslim world but there’s also alot in the Christian world too.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:15:13pm

re: #214 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

unless i am not actually psychic and cant predict the future after all, …

Lotto - I want the numbers.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:15:17pm

Had an interesting situation yesterday in a high school history class I subbed in for. We were covering late 19th century industrialization and the beginning of the Gilded Age capitalists. Proverbial Dead White Dude history.

One of my kids observes that this is Black History Month…so why aren’t we talking about black history? I respond that I have no good reason why in reply and that the question is an excellent one. However, the lesson plans are beyond my control. I did manage to work in some discussion of Frederick Douglas, Booker T Washington and WEB DeBois before the end of the hour. None of the kids had the slightest idea who any of them were, but I asked them all to take a few minutes and look them up that night on google and read.

Maybe it worked.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:15:21pm

Bob Woodward is one of those Beltway media folks who never got over the fact that the 24-hour news cycle died in 2008.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:15:21pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

This kind of bullshit doesn’t work on LGBT people. We know who our enemies are.

Yeah you guys aren’t as dumb as Republican voters are. Not saying much given well Republican voters.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:24pm

i think being progressive is like being jewish

i’ll accept you as being one if you say so because otherwise why would you put up with the tsuris?

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:27pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

And quite a few bison across the US can actually be traced back to the herd at the Bronx Zoo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:28pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

Had an interesting situation yesterday in a high school history class I subbed in for. We were covering late 19th century industrialization and the beginning of the Gilded Age capitalists. Proverbial Dead White Dude history.

One of my kids observes that this is Black History Month…so why aren’t we talking about black history. I respond that I have no good reason why in reply and tat the question is an excellent one, but that the lesson plans are beyond my control. However, I did manage to work in some discussion of Frederick Douglas, Booker T Washington and WEB DeBois before the end of the hour. None of the kids had the slightest idea who any of them were, but I asked them all to take a few minutes and look them up that night on google and read.

Maybe it worked.

Good job, Sub.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:31pm

re: #210 EPR-radar

This kind of bullshit doesn’t work on LGBT people. We know who our enemies are.

Dreher having another conniption about the transgendered menace to teh children today.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:41pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:16:51pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:17:00pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yay, you!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:17:50pm

re: #223 Aunty Entity Dragon

Dreher having another conniption about the transgendered menace to teh children today.

He really needs to get over it. Transpeople exist and they’re not a danger to your children.

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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:17:58pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

That Malala she’s certainly destroying women. Really, they need to just stop this crap. Yes, there is a lot of sexism in the Muslim world but there’s also alot in the Christian world too.

This.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:19:03pm

Interesting story at Kos. Even more interesting comments.

It looks like less people are feeling the Bern.

m.dailykos.com

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:19:08pm

re: #221 lawhawk

And quite a few bison across the US can actually be traced back to the herd at the Bronx Zoo.

Nice. I wonder if that is where Columbus got their first family?

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:20:29pm

re: #223 Aunty Entity Dragon

Dreher having another conniption about the transgendered menace to teh children today.

Given that Dreher seems to believe that human thought reached its peak in medieval Christianity and that all developments since then have been regression, I find his views on culture to be useless.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:21:32pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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Ohhh…nothing nicer than a soft ear of a big ol’ dog. Cat seems to be in silky heaven.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:21:41pm

re: #216 freetoken

Lotto - I want the numbers.

first you have to open an investment account in the firm of Dog, Dog, Pierce, Fenner, Snake, and Dog

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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:21:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:22:06pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:22:30pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

The epitome of this to me is the second item on his list—free college. That sounds great. But that’s not very useful to people who are stuck in crappy school districts and might not be able to get into—much less graduate from—college. I looked on the rest of his page for his K-12 education plan…and amazingly, this supposed progressive hero didn’t have one.

I… yeah. Wow.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:22:35pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah you guys aren’t as dumb as Republican voters are. Not saying much given well Republican voters.

There is the unhappy exception of the Log Cabin Republicans. They count, even though the usual acronym isn’t LGBT$.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:23:21pm

Cool article====>

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:23:39pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

Interesting story at Kos. Even more interesting comments.

It looks like less people are feeling the Bern.

m.dailykos.com

Interesting read. I agree with the diarist very much on this point So what can be done to improve K-12 education? Personally, I think the most critical component would be switching from property taxes to state (or better yet, federal) income taxes as the main component of funding.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:24:34pm

re: #236 Testy Toad T

I… yeah. Wow.

Yeah that’s problematic. I do like his idea of making college more affordable ergo on paper anyhow more inclusive but that does underscore a problem.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:25:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:25:49pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

There is the unhappy exception of the Log Cabin Republicans. They count, even though the usual acronym isn’t LGBT$.

I saw the other day that they were concern trolling HRC for having opposed gay marriage. I really thought that was a load of shit considering how their party is not just on the marriage issue but other issues too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:26:20pm

re: #241 De Kolta Chair

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Well I didn’t eat any pork products today or have any beer but that’s because I’m out of both.

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EPR-radar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:28:32pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

I saw the other day that they were concern trolling HRC for having opposed gay marriage. I really thought that was a load of shit considering how their party is not just on the marriage issue but other issues too.

Yeah, I posted that here. The Log Cabin Republicans are the scum of the earth, just like other Republicans. The only difference is that they should know better.

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majii  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:30:12pm

re: #217 Aunty Entity Dragon

This retired high school social studies teacher thanks you.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Well I didn’t eat any pork products today or have any beer but that’s because I’m out of both.

Just so happens I’m drinking a beer and boiling a couple of hot dogs. Which makes me…?

;-)

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CuriousLurker  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:30:43pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, okay. She’s a white supremacist/racist. That explains a lot. Blocked.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:31:15pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Yeah, I posted that here. The Log Cabin Republicans are the scum of the earth, just like other Republicans. The only difference is that they should know better.

Oops sorry lose track. So many posts, so much time. But yeah I mean maybe it’s not my place as a straight guy but I really don’t get those dudes. I know gay people are individuals so it’s definitively conceivable that a gay person may even have some socially conservative views but to actively belong to a party that hates your guts and uses hatred of people who hate your guts and don’t think you should have rights as a big part of their base dare I say is a Jews for Hitler type of thing. Again I really hope I’m not out of bounds with that but that really is how I see gay Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:31:39pm

re: #246 De Kolta Chair

Just so happens I’m drinking a beer and boiling a couple of hot dogs. Which makes me…?

;-)

Tequllah!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:31:49pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:31:54pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

Interesting story at Kos. Even more interesting comments.

It looks like less people are feeling the Bern.

m.dailykos.com

If that’s fewer people …I’m gonna scoot over here and continue my “not discussing opinions on the Democrat primary except for overall concepts” day.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:33:49pm

re: #245 majii

This retired high school social studies teacher thanks you.

I have fond memories of my social studies teachers and my history professors. I still use my Russian history professor as a reference.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:34:05pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If that’s fewer people …I’m gonna scoot over here and continue my “not discussing opinions on the Democrat primary except for overall concepts” day.

I think it’s clear that no matter who wins the Democratic primary, it’s a virtual certainty that they will not be any less sane than the most sane of the Republicans.

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EmmaAnne  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:34:14pm
You can be a moderate. You can be a progressive. But you cannot be a moderate and a progressive.

I think Bernie’s mistake on this is how it is phrased. There is nothing wrong with him pointing out areas where he differs with Hillary and arguing that his positions are better. But what he said is (a) “you” meaning (strictly speaking) … “me”; and (b) has more to do with defining rules for who gets to be in a club rather than arguing for positions.

Both of these things rub me the wrong way. Not only do I think I can be progressive and moderate, I think I

am

progressive and moderate. And I don’t appreciate someone else telling me I can’t be in the club.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:34:42pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Tequllah!

There’s a bottle on the kitchen counter. Help yourself! /

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:34:55pm

Creative writing is a fun challenge. I think I need to improve on dialogue and stuff like that but this week I have my first real test as a writer although i did it last week in my unreliable narrative and that’s to write from the perspective of the opposite sex.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:35:43pm

re: #253 thedopefishlives

I think it’s clear that no matter who wins the Democratic primary, it’s a virtual certainty that they will not be any less sane than the most sane of the Republicans.

I mean, I’m voting D come November.

Which is why I feel it’s appropriate to not make an ass of myself about this now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:35:51pm

re: #255 De Kolta Chair

There’s a bottle on the kitchen counter. Help yourself! /

Slainte.

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EmmaAnne  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:36:42pm

re: #257 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean, I’m voting D come November.

Which is why I feel it’s appropriate to not make an ass of myself about this now.

Very wise. :-) I shall endeavor to do likewise.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:37:28pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Why not have multiple sources of education funding from the local level up? Having just got a kid from K-12 in special education in 2012, I can assure you the money is needed and it needs to be audited better. I live in one of the “better” districts in GA and I can tell you that even though we have more money than most, it’s not spent efficiently or well. 5 million dollars on a new high school with an indoor pool. Why? A middle school with a football field that only gets used for PE classes. Why? No school nurses full time anymore. Why? No school psychologists for each school, there are three, THREE for a district with over 100K kids. But there’s a cop in every middle and high school.

As far as this other horseshit with the Bernie supporters goes, I am left wondering how many of the most vocal instigators of shit are actually republican operatives. Remember Dipshit Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos”? This is who they are and what they do, so it would not be out of line to think that these assholes are doing their best work trying to start a bunch of infighting. And it looks like Bernie himself isn’t staying out of the bullshit either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:38:14pm

re: #254 EmmaAnne

I think Bernie’s mistake on this is how it is phrased. There is nothing wrong with him pointing out areas where he differs with Hillary and arguing that his positions are better. But what he said is (a) “you” meaning (strictly speaking) … “me”; and (b) has more to do with defining rules for who gets to be in a club rather than arguing for positions.

Both of these things rub me the wrong way. Not only do I think I can be progressive and moderate, I think I

progressive and moderate. And I don’t appreciate someone else telling me I can’t be in the club.

That was the impression I got too. And I agree about being both progressive and moderate at the same time. I’m mostly liberal but I have a streak of moderateness that makes me realize I’d rather get some of what I want rather than all or nothing.

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wrenchwench  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:39:44pm

re: #259 EmmaAnne

Very wise. :-) I shall endeavor to do likewise.

Shedding the ‘bot’ label like a pro.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:39:45pm

re: #260 A Mom Anon

Why not have multiple sources of education funding from the local level up? Having just got a kid from K-12 in special education in 2012, I can assure you the money is needed and it needs to be audited better. I live in one of the “better” districts in GA and I can tell you that even though we have more money than most, it’s not spent efficiently or well. 5 million dollars on a new high school with an indoor pool. Why? A middle school with a football field that only gets used for PE classes. Why? No school nurses full time anymore. Why? No school psychologists for each school, there are three, THREE for a district with over 100K kids. But there’s a cop in every middle and high school.

As far as this other horseshit with the Bernie supporters goes, I am left wondering how many of the most vocal instigators of shit are actually republican operatives. Remember Dipshit Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos”? This is who they are and what they do, so it would not be out of line to think that these assholes are doing their best work trying to start a bunch of infighting. And it looks like Bernie himself isn’t staying out of the bullshit either.

That would be grand too. You make a lot of great points as always though. So much that is wrong with education spending is the priorities. I’ve heard about those schools especially in Texas that spend assloads of money on their football fields and it’s just obscene. I don’t think a lot of them are Republican operatives to be truthful with you. I do think there’s just a lot of naivete there and unfortunately naivete can bring out the worse in people.

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majii  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:39:52pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope Cosby gets what’s coming to him—some time behind bars for drugging and raping those women. I’m a black female, but I was never a member of the “Black Folk Look Up to Bill Cosby as a Role Model” Crowd. I thought it was very offensive of him to lump all Black Americans together when he made the claim that essentially, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to explaining why we haven’t made more economic progress in America, and why so many black males are incarcerated. He forgot that not all blacks have chances to get the breaks that he did. He also conveniently forgot/forgets the role institutional racism played, and plays, in upward mobility for a whole lot of Americans, not only Black Americans. It’s as if once he made it, he forgot where he came from and his past experiences with having to climb uphill against almost overwhelming odds. Ben Carson, Allen West, Alan Keyes, Armstrong Williams, Stacey Dash and other black conservatives seem to share a lot of Cosby’s traits.

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Lidane  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:40:56pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:41:01pm

re: #254 EmmaAnne

I think Bernie’s mistake on this is how it is phrased. There is nothing wrong with him pointing out areas where he differs with Hillary and arguing that his positions are better.

No, but holier-than-thou comes across as both tactless and stupid when you come crash somebody else’s party with the full knowledge that you need to expand your appeal to a broader base within that party.

I’m not sure which part bothers me more, the tactless or the stupid. Alienating potential supporters to shore up the already-rabid base is a very elementary mistake, and it doesn’t speak well to his decision-making.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:41:09pm

As has been noted by anthropologists, “race” is a social construct.

I submit that nature of ourselves is at work here, in Bernie’s desire to have distinct “moderates” and “progressives”.

No miscegenation allowed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:43:04pm

re: #264 majii

I hope Cosby gets what’s coming to him—some time behind bars for drugging and raping those women. I’m a black female, but I was never a member of the “Black Folk Look Up to Bill Cosby as a Role Model” Crowd. I thought it was very offensive of him to lump all Black Americans together when he made the claim that essentially, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to explaining why we haven’t made more economic progress in America, and why so many black males are incarcerated. He forgot that not all blacks have chances to get the breaks that he did. He also conveniently forgot/forgets the role institutional racism played, and plays, in upward mobility for a whole lot of Americans, not only Black Americans. It’s as if once he made it, he forgot where he came from and his past experiences with having to climb uphill against almost overwhelming odds. Ben Carson, Allen West, Alan Keyes, Armstrong Williams, Stacey Dash and other black conservatives seem to share a lot of Cosby’s traits.

Again another outsider looks in perspective but I found his message in what they call the “Pound cake speech” very condescending personally. Especially when I saw conservatives mostly all of whom were whites telling black people they should listen to this guy. It’s just like when you see white conservatives tell black activists of today that MLK would not approve of their actions. Honestly, the rape allegations apparently have floated around for years, I wasn’t aware of them which is why I was glad that Hannibal Burress (the comedian that brought them to most of the public’s attention) pointed it out, raping tons of women is a lot worse than wearing your pants too baggy.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:44:14pm

re: #169 Aunty Entity Dragon

I predict a long and highly successful occupation of a federal detention facility somewhere hot and unpleasant.

Too bad they can’t be sent to Leavenworth, where they can make big rocks into small rocks.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:45:13pm

Later folks. I think I landed a nice website graphics job. I received the down payment to get started so that is good. I have some preliminary work to get started on.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:45:33pm

re: #266 Testy Toad T

No, but holier-than-thou comes across as both tactless and stupid when you come crash somebody else’s party with the full knowledge that you need to expand your appeal to a broader base within that party.

I’m not sure which part bothers me more, the tactless or the stupid. Alienating potential supporters to shore up the already-rabid base is a very elementary mistake, and it doesn’t speak well to his decision-making.

I think it’s a matter of maintaining the revolutionary zeal of his followers, as he needs them to keep their shoulders to the wheel of the juggernaut so they won’t notice that there’s not a steering wheel to handle any curves.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:45:51pm

re: #229 WhatEVs

Interesting story at Kos. Even more interesting comments.

It looks like less people are feeling the Bern.

m.dailykos.com

It will go much better if the Bernie supporters arrive at their own conclusions.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:46:57pm

I realised last night while reading online comments that a lot of Bernie fans are exactly the same people who were part of the “Ron Paul Revolution” a few years back. They hate everyone who isn’t Bernie, and every second post they make seems to be a vow never to vote for Hillary no matter what. Are they even actually liberals? Will they even actually vote at all in a presidential election? Apologies to those Bernie supporters who aren’t like that, of course - I kinda like the guy myself, but these sort of fan boys I’m talking about really seem to be clogging up the internet something awful at the moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:47:44pm
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Kragar  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:48:11pm

re: #265 Lidane

Or what? Fire her campaign staff till they let her in?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:48:37pm

re: #270 ObserverArt

Later folks. I think I landed a nice website graphics job. I received the down payment to get started so that is good. I have some preliminary work to get started on.

Huzzah!!!! Break a leg! ;-)

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:48:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:49:00pm

re: #273 Aye Pod

I realised last night while reading online comments that a lot of Bernie fans are exactly the same people who were part of the “Ron Paul Revolution” a few years back. They hate everyone who isn’t Bernie, and every second post they make seems to be a vow never to vote for Hillary no matter what. Are they even actually liberals? Will they even actually vote at all in a presidential election? Apologies to those Bernie supporters who aren’t like that, of course - I kinda like the guy myself, but these sort of fan boys I’m talking about really seem to be clogging up the internet something awful at the moment.

As I said earlier, I think a lot of them are genuine. I also think alot of them are genuinely naive too and neiveete is a problem. They do remind me of the Paul supporters but I don’t subscribe that they’re the same people. It is the same mindset though. .

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:49:31pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah our problems would end if Joe Arpaio was president. Go home, Ted, you’re drunker than Donald.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:50:28pm

re: #275 Kragar

Or what? Fire her campaign staff till they let her in?

She’ll huff and puff and blow their house down. Oh wait, wrong person.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:52:12pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s problematic. I do like his idea of making college more affordable ergo on paper anyhow more inclusive but that does underscore a problem.

Here’s a problem with affordability…and hell if I know an answer: we want good salaries for professors (which I fully support) yet that funding has to come from somewhere and, to my knowledge, that’s tuition. Same with building upkeep. And support staff.

Likewise, on a semi-related issue, we want qualified teachers to be paid well. And they are, more so than a large number of people in a community. The GOP uses that as a wedge (successfully, see Walker in WI) and the result is a race to the bottom with resentment of the taxpayers who pay teachers.

How do we shift the discussion to a race to the top? How do we counter GOP fed resentment? How do we do anything when so many states have GOO governors and legislatures?

I have no idea…I’m just throwing stuff out there. Soundbite a sound great (in both sides) but actuality is fucking hard. And saying fuck teachers and governmental employees (in the GOP side) or Every One Gets A Pony on the Bernie side…how do we improve as a country?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:52:25pm

re: #275 Kragar

Or what? Fire her campaign staff till they let her in?

She won’t buy the RNC pizza.

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Lidane  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:52:49pm

ZOMG RINO!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:54:04pm

re: #283 Lidane

ZOMG RINO!

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SYNTH!

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S'latch  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:55:02pm

I can’t get enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton. I would vote for her out of the fear of having a Republican president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:55:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:55:29pm

re: #281 WhatEVs

Here’s a problem with affordability…and hell if I know an answer: we want good salaries for professors (which I fully support) yet that funding has to come from somewhere and, to my knowledge, that’s tuition. Same with building upkeep. And support staff.

Likewise, on a semi-related issue, we want qualified teachers to be paid well. And they are, more so than a large number of people in a community. The GOP uses that as a wedge (successfully, see Walker in WI) and the result is a race to the bottom with resentment of the taxpayers who pay teachers.

How do we shift the discussion to a race to the top? How do we counter GOP fed resentment? How do we do anything when so many states have GOO governors and legislatures?

I have no idea…I’m just throwing stuff out there. Soundbite a sound great (in both sides) but actuality is fucking hard. And saying fuck teachers and governmental employees (in the GOP side) or Every One Gets A Pony on the Bernie side…how do we improve as a country?

Correct, good point about salaries and tuition. It really is a tough issue to solve.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:55:31pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If that’s fewer people …I’m gonna scoot over here and continue my “not discussing opinions on the Democrat primary except for overall concepts” day.

Beware. That was one thread. I didn’t wenture out. And there are still people who aren’t just feeling the Bern but demanding it loudly. FWIW and YMMV.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:56:25pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nice one. How do you feel about his chances? Not that it should matter but I understand he’s openly gay, I really hope that won’t sink him but I have to bring it up after how Bevin took advantage of the sympathy floated Kim Davis’s way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:57:09pm

re: #282 Not a Sparkly Vampire

She won’t buy the RNC pizza.

Well to be fair, RNC Pizza tastes like the Fairfax County School pizzas we had when I was a kid.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:58:06pm
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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:58:19pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

As I said earlier, I think a lot of them are genuine. I also think alot of them are genuinely naive too and neiveete is a problem. They do remind me of the Paul supporters but I don’t subscribe that they’re the same people. It is the same mindset though. .

You’re probably right, but I’ll bet there’s some overlap going on there. I might ask them how they feel about auditing the Fed next time, see if they react to the term ‘gold standard’ ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:58:53pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Nice one. How do you feel about his chances? Not that it should matter but I understand he’s openly gay, I really hope that won’t sink him but I have to bring it up after how Bevin took advantage of the sympathy floated Kim Davis’s way.

No idea what his chances are.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:58:59pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

What I love about our country is just how diverse the landscape is. Not too many countries have places like Hawaii and Alaska within them.

In California, the highest altitude spot of the continental US (Mt Whitney, 14500 ft, snow on the ground year-round) and the lowest altitude spot of the continental US (Death Valley, 282 ft below sea level, 120º when the race starts) are close enough that there’s a race from one to the next (the Badwater Ultramarathon). The winning time is usually somewhere around 24-25 hours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:59:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 3:59:48pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

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DF, if you’re here, this is why I called him a piece of shit. When he says shit like this, he merits being called a piece of shit and more. It’s not divisive for the President of the United States to visit a mosque anymore than it is for a President to visit a church, synagogue, temple, or any other house of worship.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:01:26pm

re: #294 sagehen

In California, the highest altitude spot of the continental US (Mt Whitney, 14500 ft, snow on the ground year-round) and the lowest altitude spot of the continental US (Death Valley, 282 ft below sea level, 120º when the race starts) are close enough that there’s a race from one to the next (the Badwater Ultramarathon). The winning time is usually somewhere around 24-25 hours.

Yeah that’s something isn’t it? It’d be like if the Nepal had Mount Everest and below sea level. I really want to see more of the country. I’m glad my brother moved West since I fell in love with the Tahoe region when I visited last summer

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:01:38pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

No idea what his chances are.

Yeah it’s early.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:02:31pm

re: #245 majii

This retired high school social studies teacher thanks you.

And thank you as well. History was my second college degree (geology was my first) and I love the subject. Late 19th century America is not really my area (I tend to stick with late 18th century America and European history) but I was happy to try and introduce kids to the great philosophical debate between Booker T Washington and WEB DuBois on confronting systemic racism. I really enjoyed it, in truth.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:02:42pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

DF, if you’re here, this is why I called him a piece of shit. When he says shit like this, he merits being called a piece of shit and more. It’s not divisive for the President of the United States to visit a mosque anymore than it is for a President to visit a church, synagogue, temple, or any other house of worship.

Rubio’s favorite tactic seems to be to accuse the president of any number of heinous, completely false things and then proclaim that he’ll stop all of them.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:03:34pm

I wonder if the remaining Beatles and Yoko would be at all upset if Ben Carson adopted “Golden Slumbers” as his campaign theme song?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:03:42pm

re: #300 Schroedinger’s Dog

Rubio’s favorite tactic seems to be to accuse the president of any number of heinous, completely false things and then proclaim that he’ll stop all of them.

He’s such an asshole. But you’re right, that is his MO. He did it with the Iran deal too. I really hope the DSCC finds a good candidate to run against this bigoted asshole and ends his career.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:04:14pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:04:24pm

re: #301 De Kolta Chair

I wonder if the remaining Beatles and Yoko would be that upset if Ben Carson adopted “Golden Slumbers” as his campaign theme song?

I thought “I’m So Tired” would be the Doc’s tune of choice but perhaps Fred Thompson stole that already.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:05:21pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DOOOOMED! Except President Bush visited a mosque not long after 9/11. Really these people are psychotic and Rubio is an asshole for pandering to their fears. Really Marco, how would you like it if people said the crap you do about Muslims about Cubans.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:05:59pm

I just realised looking at the GOP Iowa picks from recent years that it’s a guide to who is the craziest teavangelical dirtbag candidate in the field, and nothing more. 2008- Huckabee. 2012- Santorum. 2016 - Cruz. If anything Iowa has become a reliable guide to who won’t be the republican pick. I hate to say it, but I think Trump can take some comfort from that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:06:33pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Teddy can’t even spell his name correctly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:08:35pm

Rubio talks about divisiveness. There is an estimated 3.3 million Muslims living in this country and Rubio’s part shits on all of them to drum up fears. So no Senator Rubio, you’re the divisive one not the President. You’re the kind of guy who would have shat on FDR for condemning Antisemitism in 1930’s Europe.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:08:37pm

The secret Muslims are crawling out of the woodwork today…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:09:29pm

re: #292 Aye Pod

You’re probably right, but I’ll bet there’s some overlap going on there. I might ask them how they feel about auditing the Fed next time, see if they react to the term ‘gold standard’ ;-)

Hah now that’s a good idea. I think Sanders does share the weirdness about the Fed though. Charles had mentioned it before as a reason he wasn’t so keen on Sanders.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:09:33pm

re: #306 Aye Pod

I just realised looking at the GOP Iowa picks from recent years that it’s a guide to who is the craziest evangelical dirtbag candidate in the field, and nothing more. 2008- Huckabee. 2012- Santorum. 2016 - Cruz. If anything Iowa has become a reliable guide to who won’t be the republican pick. I hate to say it, but I think Trump can take some comfort from that.

Hi Jimmah! How is the frosty one doing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:10:21pm
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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:10:23pm

re: #309 De Kolta Chair

The secret Muslims are crawling out of the woodwork today…

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Wow. Is he feeling ok?

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Botsplainer  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:13pm

re: #265 Lidane

Carly wants to play straight man? Or does she see herself as plucky comic relief?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:40pm

re: #313 Aye Pod

Wow. Is he feeling ok?

Just a wee bit catatonic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:45pm
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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:46pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the Bundy gang, “Captain Moroni”, saw a flock a geese and took it as a sign from god, or something.

I think Glenn Beck did the same thing at his DC rally a while back.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:53pm

re: #309 De Kolta Chair

The secret Muslims are crawling out of the woodwork today…

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Futurama Bender(s) Universe Doomed

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:11:58pm

re: #273 Aye Pod

I realised last night while reading online comments that a lot of Bernie fans are exactly the same people who were part of the “Ron Paul Revolution” a few years back. They hate everyone who isn’t Bernie, and every second post they make seems to be a vow never to vote for Hillary no matter what. Are they even actually liberals? Will they even actually vote at all in a presidential election? Apologies to those Bernie supporters who aren’t like that, of course - I kinda like the guy myself, but these sort of fan boys I’m talking about really seem to be clogging up the internet something awful at the moment.

Late to the reply, but I’m catching up.

I have noticed the crossover of the Ron Paul type vigor from the beginning.

Then when Bernie stared to use the term Revolution? I think he realizes the crossover as well.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:12:30pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:14:04pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

Late to the reply, but I’m catching up.

I have noticed the crossover of the Ron Paul type vigor from the beginning.

Then when Bernie stared to use the term Revolution? I think he realizes the crossover as well.

I actually have seen some crossover. My brother saw some appeal to Ron too and likes Bernie a lot now too but I think he was really unaware of Ron’s uh very backass backwards economic views. I think there is some overlap, I just think while there are parallels, there are differences too. MOst of the Sanders supporters I know have always been staunchly left wing.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:14:59pm

Every year I look forward to the Jeopardy College Tournament so I can make fun of how little the kids these days know about history, and then the topic will be something like algebra and I feel like a complete asshole.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:15:00pm

re: #309 De Kolta Chair

The secret Muslims are crawling out of the woodwork today…

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I guess he really is dropping out. No way his party will approve of that line of thinking.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:15:25pm

I’ve been doing some research on Ted Cruz, and I think he’s really, honestly a raving religious fanatic. I don’t think it’s pandering, or an act for the rubes. He’s been steeped in this culture his entire life.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:15:38pm

re: #311 thedopefishlives

Hi Jimmah! How is the frosty one doing?

She’s fine dopefish -we’re doing ok with our wee business, and hoping to maybe have a holiday in NYC this year. Hope all is well with you and yours :-)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:15:55pm

re: #322 De Kolta Chair

Every year I look forward to the Jeopardy College Tournament so I can make fun of how little the kids these days know about history, and then the topic will be something like algebra and I feel like a complete asshole.

I’ve considered trying out for Jeopardy before. Friend of mine was on last year actually and won one night. She says Trebek is awesome and has a good sense of humor.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:16:15pm

re: #325 Aye Pod

She’s fine dopefish -we’re doing ok with our wee business, and hoping to maybe have a holiday in NYC this year. Hope all is well with you and yours :-)

Odd thing to sell…
/:P

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:16:33pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

I’ve been doing some research on Ted Cruz, and I think he’s really, honestly a raving religious fanatic. I don’t think it’s pandering, or an act for the rubes. He’s been steeped in this culture his entire life.

I used to think he was pandering too but after reading that his dad’s been in the born again phase since the mid 70’s, I’ve come to that conclusion too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:16:57pm

Oh so did Frothy give his endorsement yet or is that later?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:17:00pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:17:51pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:18:08pm

What the fuck, Chuck. How is it “justice for James O’Keefe” that Mary Landrieu’s son is arrested? This guy just doesn’t think right.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:18:32pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

I’ve been doing some research on Ted Cruz, and I think he’s really, honestly a raving religious fanatic. I don’t think it’s pandering, or an act for the rubes. He’s been steeped in this culture his entire life.

Traumatized by his parent’s separation and his father’s problems, Ted has found an escape in religion.

This is an old tune.

Sadly, being moral has little to do with such religion, though the true believers think it does.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:19:59pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

I’ve been doing some research on Ted Cruz, and I think he’s really, honestly a raving religious fanatic. I don’t think it’s pandering, or an act for the rubes. He’s been steeped in this culture his entire life.

I think you’re probably right. Cruz and Rubio are the popular names on my wingnut FB feed. Trump, at least, is recognized as a pretender and, more and more often lately, a royal dumbass.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:21:12pm

re: #325 Aye Pod

She’s fine dopefish -we’re doing ok with our wee business, and hoping to maybe have a holiday in NYC this year. Hope all is well with you and yours :-)

We’re doing well enough right now. Keeping up with the snow at the moment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:21:52pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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How the hell is that justice? O’Douchebag was trying to tap her phones in relation to her position as a Senator. CCJ really is a stupid little asshole for someone who preports to be a genius.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:22:21pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

What the fuck, Chuck. How is it “justice for James O’Keefe” that Mary Landrieu’s son is arrested? This guy just doesn’t think right.

en.wikipedia.org

Because SOMETHING SOMETHING CONNECT TEH DOTS CORRUPT LIBRUL DEMOCRATS!

I loved the part where he says that it’s coming for his little boy-toy’s prosecutors next. Riiight, Rage Furby, good luck with that.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:23:46pm

re: #334 freetoken

Traumatized by his parent’s separation and his father’s problems, Ted has found an escape in religion.

This is an old tune.

Sadly, being moral has little to do with such religion, though the true believers think it does.

That gets you to a quiet country church with a decent pastor. Ever watched a Benny Hinn show?

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:25:07pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

Late to the reply, but I’m catching up.

I have noticed the crossover of the Ron Paul type vigor from the beginning.

Then when Bernie stared to use the term Revolution? I think he realizes the crossover as well.

Yeah…a lot of the rhetoric seems familiar and I wouldn’t be surprised if he encouraged those ones to transfer their fixation to him. Not sure that particular segment of the electorate does much actual voting though. I’d look out for major symbolic happenings in the World of Warcraft universe though.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:26:59pm

re: #327 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Odd thing to sell…
/:P

Only the finest Aqua Vita!

The Dentons, aqua vita - The League of Gentlemen - BBC comedy

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:27:39pm

re: #338 thedopefishlives

Because SOMETHING SOMETHING CONNECT TEH DOTS CORRUPT LIBRUL DEMOCRATS!

I loved the part where he says that it’s coming for his little boy-toy’s prosecutors next. Riiight, Rage Furby, good luck with that.

I mean I really fail to see how a Senator’s son being arrested for child cruelty is any way relevant to the fact that his pal got arrested for trying to bug her office. As I said, for someone who brags about his intelligence a lot, he really acts especially stupid.

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Skip Intro  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:27:57pm

re: #306 Aye Pod

Pat Robertson came in, I think, second in Iowa in 1988.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:28:00pm

Sanders supporters on Facebook screaming DINO! at Hillary… and I shake my head.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:28:28pm

re: #343 Skip Intro

Pat Robertson came in, I think, second in Iowa in 1988.

He did. We discussed that Monday night.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:29:12pm

re: #344 freetoken

Sanders supporters on Facebook screaming DINO! at Hillary… and I shake my head.

They support the guy who literally has been a Democrat for what a few months now? Sorry guys you can’t do that especially when Clinton actually campaigns for Democrats and your guy doesn’t think it’s worth it.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:29:25pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

That gets you to a quiet country church with a decent pastor. Ever watched a Benny Hinn show?

Hinn’s marks are trying to escape their lives.

Desperately.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:29:26pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was waiting for the predictable Mosque visit freak out. Up till now its been quiet. I don’t follow shitheads though, so prob missed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:29:43pm

sigh…

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:29:54pm

re: #336 thedopefishlives

We’re doing well enough right now. Keeping up with the snow at the moment.

Ah good. We’ve been getting the tail end of the storms passing over America. Just had ‘Storm Henry’ which was epic (by UK standards).

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:30:14pm

re: #306 Aye Pod

I just realised looking at the GOP Iowa picks from recent years that it’s a guide to who is the craziest evangelical dirtbag candidate in the field, and nothing more. 2008- Huckabee. 2012- Santorum. 2016 - Cruz. If anything Iowa has become a reliable guide to who won’t be the republican pick. I hate to say it, but I think Trump can take some comfort from that.

Except his ego doesn’t think that way.

Which is good.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:30:42pm

re: #344 freetoken

Sanders supporters on Facebook screaming DINO! at Hillary… and I shake my head.

Some portion of the noise is being generated by TPGOP shills. Let your paranoia set the level.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:31:06pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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Holy color scheme Batman.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:31:25pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

Infantile shit-flinging.

I thought this party was above that, but I should have known better. At least ours are vaguely fact-based.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:32:00pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

I’ve been doing some research on Ted Cruz, and I think he’s really, honestly a raving religious fanatic. I don’t think it’s pandering, or an act for the rubes. He’s been steeped in this culture his entire life.

Greg. Stillson.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:32:09pm

Frothy endorses Rubio. What a game changer!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:32:10pm

re: #347 freetoken

Hinn’s marks are trying to escape their lives.

Desperately.

His staff and associates are pure travelling show. All they need is bottled fetuses.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:32:24pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, those may be legitimate reasons for someone not supporting Hillary.

Still, what I’m finding irritating are the shouts of “DINO!”, as if Democrats are some homogenous group that dare not stray from some pure line.

Puritanism comes in many forms.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:32:43pm

re: #356 Joe Bacon

Frothy endorses Rubio. What a game changer!

That actually surprises me.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:33:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:33:47pm

re: #358 freetoken

Well, those may be legitimate reasons for someone not supporting Hillary.

Still, what I’m finding irritating are the shouts of “DINO!”, as if Democrats are some homogenous group that dare not stray from some pure line.

Puritanism comes in many forms.

Right, some of that I think is legitimate- namely the stuff she did in fact vote on but I don’t like the shouts of DINO either and as I got at, I do have a big problem especially it coming from a guy who hasn’t been a Democrat for long.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:34:12pm

re: #350 Aye Pod

Ah good. We’ve been getting the tail end of the storms passing over America. Just had ‘Storm Henry’ which was epic (by UK standards).

Yeah, we just got caught by the north side of that storm. We only got about 3-5 inches worth, 6 tops. Places further south got creamed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:34:40pm

re: #360 lawhawk

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Yeah no kidding. I think deep down it’s because even Ol’ Frothy knows that Cruz and Trump are assholes and they can at least sell Rubio as not being an as big asshole but really if that’s his public reason, man that’s some swiss cheese hole logic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:35:02pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

That actually surprises me.

Frothy tried to run as an experienced, trustworthy policymaker rather than just a holy warrior this time, so this makes sense. He may be hoping for a spot in a Rubio Administration.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:35:32pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

That actually surprises me.

People really dislike Cruz.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:35:35pm

re: #364 Big Beautiful Door

Frothy tried to run as an experienced, trustworthy policymaker rather than just a holy warrior this time, so this makes sense. He may be hoping for a spot in a Rubio Administration.

Oh okay, no wonder why he didn’t do as well then. What position though? Liaison to God?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:35:51pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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Nothing quite as humiliating as a party as watching an old man throw a childish temper tantrum.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:35:56pm

re: #365 WhatEVs

People really dislike Cruz.

They really do. I underestimated that here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:36:16pm

Uh.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:36:24pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Oh okay, no wonder why he didn’t do as well then. What position though? Liaison to God?

Chief Aerator

[vomits]

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:36:35pm

Nobody likes Ted Cruz.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:36:47pm

re: #369 GlutenFreeJesus

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Uh.

I kinda thought Obama did that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:37:03pm

always scary to be left at the veterinarian’s office.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:37:06pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Oh okay, no wonder why he didn’t do as well then. What position though? Liaison to God?

He has taken an interest in economic policy and supposedly cared about blue collar workers, so many something in economic policy. He may even be fantasizing about being on the VEEP list.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:37:54pm

re: #369 GlutenFreeJesus

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Uh.

Yeah about that. And honestly let’s see how Bernie does where he actually has to face some of his road blocks like minority voters. Man though when that happens, I am going to hate to see the condescending bs thrown their way for daring to prefer Clinton over his Berniness.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:38:11pm

re: #372 Testy Toad T

I kinda thought Obama did that.

Obama’s not a real progressive.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:38:21pm

re: #369 GlutenFreeJesus

Obama showed that Hillary can be beaten. Bernie has yet to score an actual win.

And Hillary remains with a distinct advantage on superdelegates, so talk of beating Hillary is seriously premature.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:38:44pm

re: #374 Big Beautiful Door

He has taken an interest in economic policy and supposedly cared about blue collar workers, so many something in economic policy. He may even be fantasizing about being on the VEEP list.

Yeah Sec of Labor perhaps.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:39:23pm

re: #371 freetoken

Nobody likes Ted Cruz.

Not even his daughter.
TED CRUZ TRIES TO GET HUG & A KISS FROM DAUGHTER

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:39:29pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:40:32pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jim Gilmore is polling at 2.

Not percent.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:40:33pm

re: #377 lawhawk

Obama showed that Hillary can be beaten. Bernie has yet to score an actual win.

And Hillary remains with a distinct advantage on superdelegates, so talk of beating Hillary is seriously premature.

That Bernie has been in Congress 25 years and has one Congressperson (Keith Ellison) I believe endorsing him says a lot. Hillary has a lot of liberal backers. There was a tweet from Barbara Boxer backing her earlier when Bernie posted the now infamous Progressive, Moderate comment. I wouldn’t say Bernie’s disliked like Ted Cruz is to his fellow Democrats because man you listen to what Republicans have said about Cruz and just wow but I do think it’s fair to observe that Sanders doesn’t have much at all in Congressional endorsements and that should give people pause.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:40:58pm

re: #381 Testy Toad T

Jim Gilmore is polling at 2.

Not percent.

Movin’ on up!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:41:43pm

Our partners in crime got a C&D from Universal over their Bernie for the Future shirts.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:41:50pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Movin’ on up!

UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT!!!

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:42:20pm

Sigh. I see its been a lovely day while I slept…

This is why, even as a pretty hard leftist/socialist supporter of Bernie, my preferred result is him as Sec of Labor or the like in a Clinton administration.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:42:28pm

re: #381 Testy Toad T

Jim Gilmore is polling at 2.

Not percent.

You know, Jim Gilmore might have dropped out by now, but no-one will ever know.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:43:33pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Bernie knows the ropes, and some might be sitting on the fence waiting to see how they shake out. Give Hillary benefit, but if Bernie shows promise, they might lean his way. Right now, the superdelegate gap is pretty significant.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:43:44pm

re: #387 Big Beautiful Door

You know, Jim Gilmore might have dropped out by now, but no-one will ever know.

Nah, I read an interview with one of his twelve supporters. The guy actually gave somewhat sound logic.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:44:32pm

re: #388 lawhawk

Bernie knows the ropes, and some might be sitting on the fence waiting to see how they shake out. Give Hillary benefit, but if Bernie shows promise, they might lean his way. Right now, the superdelegate gap is pretty significant.

Right and was pointed out to me, a lot of those that went Clinton’s way were before Bernie entered but I just think that makes me wonder about how he’d get on with Congress.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:44:41pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Nah, I read an interview with one of his twelve supporters. The guy actually gave somewhat sound logic.

Sound logic? RINO!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:45:29pm

uh oh…

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:46:29pm

I’m just not so impressed with Bernie.

Vermont is smaller and even less representative of the rest of the US than Iowa.

So someone is able to become a senator from Vermont by calling himself a “socialist”, do a few whacky stunts here and there, and get re-elected.

Even in Iowa, Bernie was not able to do what Obama did.

Politics is about compromise (something the Republicans dare not admit in their debates.)

And that is why puritans don’t like it.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:46:50pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is Olivia at her first doctor visit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:47:39pm

re: #391 Big Beautiful Door

Sound logic? RINO!

I know, the guy didn’t say one word about deporting all the Mexicans and gays to Uz-beki-beki-stan. As I recall, he pointed out that Gilmore has military experience (something he values as the man was a vet himself), pointed out that Gilmore has dealt with some national security issues, etc. I did have to laugh when he said he hoped Gilmore would run again though. Gilmore’s run for the presidency twice now and barely registered a hiccup. And when he ran for Senate here in 2008, he got wiped out despite not having been a total failure as governor. Granted Warner was at his peak popularity here and it was a very Democratic year but Gilmore did worse than Ed Gillespie did. That said, Gilmore’s not as bad as George Allen was. He’s just “Why are you doing this to yourself?”

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:47:40pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

That gets you to a quiet country church with a decent pastor. Ever watched a Benny Hinn show?

Or if you have any Anglican bent, read a bit George Herbert and his love of being that simple country parson.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:49:24pm

re: #394 WhatEVs

Awwwww…….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:49:32pm

Here’s the thing about Jim Gilmore. I can’t honestly think of any accomplishments he had here in Virginia. Now in some fairness, we are limited since we have the I think obscene one term limit on governors.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:49:45pm

re: #394 WhatEVs

This is Olivia at her first doctor visit.

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St. Bernard pup?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:49:47pm

re: #384 Eric The Fruit Bat

Our partners in crime got a C&D from Universal over their Bernie for the Future shirts.

I missed this one. Baby’s first drug raid.

wonkette.com

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:49:51pm

re: #266 Testy Toad T

No, but holier-than-thou comes across as both tactless and stupid when you come crash somebody else’s party with the full knowledge that you need to expand your appeal to a broader base within that party.

I’m not sure which part bothers me more, the tactless or the stupid. Alienating potential supporters to shore up the already-rabid base is a very elementary mistake, and it doesn’t speak well to his decision-making.

That’s kind of my problem with Bernie—the party-crashing part. First, let me say, I’m glad he’s running as a Democrat and not going third-party to be a spoiler. Second, I admire the guy’s passion and like some of his goals (don’t think most of them are very realistic and his theory that massive protests of his revolutionaries will create real change in Congress is pretty much fodder for romantic fiction.)

But, Bernie—if you’re going to be a Democrat, be a Democrat. Don’t breach the voter information and then SUE the party.

Don’t take part, for the first time, in a caucus event (strange as they are) and then whine and moan about stuff that you don’t understand and have your campaign play the “we’re so righteous” card because other campaigns know what’s going on and use that knowledge to their advantage.

Don’t bitch about the debate schedule, then bitch when it gets changed and (hell, I can’t even figure out what the bitching is all about this week.)

Don’t feel the party, which I don’t believe you’ve even officially joined, should be supportive of your complaints when you have no interest in doing anything to help other members of the party in downticket races.

It’s like somebody comes to a party at your house and offers to help with the food preparation, then tells you all your spices are inadequate, throws them out, and then complains that the food isn’t properly seasoned. (And then goes into your living room and rips up the carpet because he just doesn’t like your taste in floor-coverings.)

Don’t even get me started on his more “fervent” backers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:51:07pm

re: #401 BeachDem

That’s kind of my problem with Bernie—the party-crashing part. First, let me say, I’m glad he’s running as a Democrat and not going third-party to be a spoiler. Second, I admire the guy’s passion and like some of his goals (don’t think most of them are very realistic and his theory that massive protests of his revolutionaries will create real change in Congress is pretty much fodder for romantic fiction.)

But, Bernie—if you’re going to be a Democrat, be a Democrat. Don’t breach the voter information and then SUE the party.

Don’t take part, for the first time, in a caucus event (strange as they are) and then whine and moan about stuff that you don’t understand and have your campaign play the “we’re so righteous” card because other campaigns know what’s going on and use that knowledge to their advantage.

Don’t bitch about the debate schedule, then bitch when it gets changed and (hell, I can’t even figure out what the bitching is all about this week.)

Don’t feel the party, which I don’t believe you’ve even officially joined, should be supportive of your complaints when you have no interest in doing anything to help other members of the party in downticket races.

It’s like somebody comes to a party at your house and offers to help with the food preparation, then tells you all your spices are inadequate, throws them out, and then complains that the food isn’t properly seasoned. (And then goes into your living room and rips up the carpet because he just doesn’t like your taste in floor-coverings.)

Don’t even get me started on his more “fervent” backers.

Solid points.

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urbanmeemaw  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:53:24pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Yes, and I keep waiting to hear Wolf Blitzer bemoan rancher on rancher crime.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:54:08pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Looks like a King Cavalier Charles Spaniel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:54:30pm

re: #394 WhatEVs

Blurry picture of Growler and Piglet’s first trip to the vet’s

I can’t believe they will be three years old in just a couple of months.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:54:38pm

re: #404 Eric The Fruit Bat

Looks like a King Cavalier Spaniel

Aha, good catch.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:54:39pm

Had to log back in and share a funny Tweety Matthews made tonight speaking about Bernie.

He said (not word for word) “Bernie is that guy back in ‘69 with the bullhorn standing on the college commons and yelling up at the Administration Building saying there will be a revolution. Same guy today.”

Thought that was a pretty good characterization of the Berner.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:55:03pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

St. Bernard pup?

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. She was 8 weeks old and a whopping 4 pounds. As an adult (she’s 2 now), she weighs about 15 pounds. She’s tiny.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:55:47pm

re: #394 WhatEVs

This is Olivia at her first doctor visit.

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I hope that simple metal table can hold up all that cuteness. Olivia is a great name for her.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:57:11pm

re: #396 William Lewis

Or if you have any Anglican bent, read a bit George Herbert and his love of being that simple country parson.

And for you, try Netflix or whatever for Calvary—actions of a Church of Ireland priest under threat of assassination.

imdb.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:57:29pm

re: #408 WhatEVs

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. She was 8 weeks old and a whopping 4 pounds. As an adult (she’s 2 now), she weighs about 15 pounds. She’s tiny.

Damn that is tiny. My Nana had a toy poodle. It was kind of neat since we had a Standard one that we got later we used to refer to the Toy as mine’s “Aunt.” Always wondered about her life after we gave her away to her former caregiver when Nana went into the home. Cute pup.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:58:02pm

re: #410 Decatur Deb

And for you, try Netflix or whatever for Calvary—actions of a Church of Ireland priest under threat of assassination.

imdb.com

I need to see that. That’s another McDonagh vehicle and I loved In Bruges, Seven Psychopaths, and The Guard.

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ausador  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:58:12pm

Re: Bernie saying yes he would use drones but not as intensely as Obama…

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:58:25pm

I’ve mostly tried to ignore Bernie’s supporters and focus on the good that he’s done for the race, as I do think he’s helped bring a lot of focus on topics that have been ignored or not as emphasized in recent elections and given Hillary the courage to move the Overton window without fear that there would be a backlash for doing so. If anything, his presence has helped folks find acceptance for proposals that might have been considered “far-left” in a race between her and O’Malley.

But after the data breach and the audacity of suing the party for “sabotaging” his campaign, I started to get the impression that the man is not ready for prime time. And his behavior in following weeks has only deepened that impression. He’s not able to move out of his comfort zone, everything in his universe revolves around his belief that corruption and influence are the greatest evils in America. Even on questions of foreign policy, he’d feel the need to drag them back to talk about income inequality. And now this week, between his bitching over the Iowa results and today’s tweets, makes me think the man is simply too thin-skinned to survive a punch-up with even Rubio.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 4:58:37pm

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blurry picture of Growler and Piglet’s first trip to the vet’s

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I can’t believe they will be three years old in just a couple of months.

Inorite? They grow so fast!!

(Sniff. Honk. Blow. Sigh.)

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:00:16pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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The hell?
Dude, Bernie, you drunk tweeting or something?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:01:22pm

re: #413 ausador

Re: Bernie saying yes he would use drones but not as intensely as Obama…

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Let me put on my shocked face.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:01:47pm

re: #414 Targetpractice

I’ve mostly tried to ignore Bernie’s supporters and focus on the good that he’s done for the race, as I do think he’s helped bring a lot of focus on topics that have been ignored or not as emphasized in recent elections and given Hillary the courage to move the Overton window without fear that there would be a backlash for doing so. If anything, his presence has helped folks find acceptance for proposals that might have been considered “far-left” in a race between her and O’Malley.

But after the data breach and the audacity of suing the party for “sabotaging” his campaign, I started to get the impression that the man is not ready for prime time. And his behavior in following weeks has only deepened that impression. He’s not able to move out of his comfort zone, everything in his universe revolves around his belief that corruption and influence are the greatest evils in America. Even on questions of foreign policy, he’d feel the need to drag them back to talk about income inequality. And now this week, between his bitching over the Iowa results and today’s tweets, makes me think the man is simply too thin-skinned to survive a punch-up with even Rubio.

I supported him early on as many of you know. I had misgivings about Clinton. Some I think were legitimate and some that it’s been pointed out to me I was definitely being unfair on. I’ve been real disappointed with elements of his candidacy that you get the kind of picture what kind of nominee or President he’d be. I am glad he’s running and I hope he can push Clinton to the left too. I also perhaps hope this race can perhaps make him a more effective Senator as well. He’s fond of his record and he does have a great voting record but maybe he if he does stay in the Senate can help pass some legislation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:02:13pm

FYI: There will be a Dem town hall on CNN at 9 pm ET tonight.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:02:57pm

re: #413 ausador

Re: Bernie saying yes he would use drones but not as intensely as Obama…

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That sounds suspiciously like moderate use of drones.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:03:28pm

“You can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall street”.
Sanders about Hilary. Totally fair point.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:03:44pm

re: #420 Decatur Deb

That sounds suspiciously like moderate use of drones.

That doesn’t sound very progressive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:04:10pm

I was honestly disappointed in O’Malley too. I’ve followed him since he’s fairly local but the stuff David Simon said about his time as Baltimore’s mayor in regards to policing really disappointed me and I think he handled the BLM issue terribly. That issue consequently is what helped me come around on Clinton. I think she showed a lot of genuine concern and a willingness to listen to the activists.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:04:39pm

re: #421 Great White Snark

“You can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall street”.
Sanders about Hilary. Totally fair point.

I’ll bite: why not?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:04:59pm

Another thing to keep in mind from that WaPo poll I mentioned earlier today is that the majority of Dem Iowans wanted to see the Obama-era accomplishments preserved or expanded upon. And Hillary crushed Bernie in the poll on who would be seen as likely to keep those accomplishments versus change them.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:05:17pm

re: #424 Testy Toad T

I’ll bite: why not?

Wall street represents the antithesis of progressive goals.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:05:22pm

re: #424 Testy Toad T

I’ll bite: why not?

I’ll play. I think it’s hard to truly reform Wall Street when you’ve been a large recipient of their donorsese.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:05:36pm

re: #426 Great White Snark

Wall street represents the antithesis of progressive goals.

There’s that too of course.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:05:38pm

re: #421 Great White Snark

“You can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall street”.
Sanders about Hilary. Totally fair point.

But that’s not what he said earlier, not the comparison he made. Had he done this, I’d have blown it off as your standard issue attack.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:10pm

re: #429 Belafon

But that’s not what he said earlier, not the comparison he made. Had he done this, I’d have blown it off as your standard issue attack.

And that’s true also.

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:13pm

re: #423 HappyWarrior

Maybe O’Malley can make a comeback in 4 years.

What is evident about American politics is that if you are going to run for President you have to line your ducks up years in advance.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:17pm

re: #429 Belafon

But that’s not what he said earlier, not the comparison he made. Had he done this, I’d have blown it off as your standard issue attack.

As would I, and might have even seen some truth to it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:24pm

Unfortunately for JMS, he misspelled the hashtag.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:42pm

re: #409 ObserverArt

I hope that simple metal table can hold up all that cuteness. Olivia is a great name for her.

Thanks. This was her sleeping as a puppy. Always upside down.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:06:55pm

re: #429 Belafon

But that’s not what he said earlier, not the comparison he made. Had he done this, I’d have blown it off as your standard issue attack.

Okay but my point is about what I just quoted. One of the most disappointing things about HRC is those connections and donations. That’s not looking like reform.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:07:10pm

re: #433 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Unfortunately for JMS, he misspelled the hashtag.

I wanted to express shock, but then I stopped to consider the themes of B5 and realized this is pretty in-character for JMS.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:07:41pm

re: #436 Targetpractice

I wanted to express shock, but then I stopped to consider the themes of B5 and realized this is pretty in-character for JMS.

Yep, it is.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:07:59pm

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Damn that is tiny. My Nana had a toy poodle. It was kind of neat since we had a Standard one that we got later we used to refer to the Toy as mine’s “Aunt.” Always wondered about her life after we gave her away to her former caregiver when Nana went into the home. Cute pup.

We were actually worried about her. She was stuck at 10 lbs for months.

I just realized she’s three this month. She’s growing too damned fast.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:08:12pm

re: #413 ausador

Re: Bernie saying yes he would use drones but not as intensely as Obama…

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LOL Now I’m seeing that scene from Apocalpse Now with the helicopters taking off, but this time blasting out Simon and Garfunkel.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:08:42pm

re: #431 freetoken

Maybe O’Malley can make a comeback in 4 years.

What is evident about American politics is that if you are going to run for President you have to line your ducks up years in advance.

Perhaps so. I think we get a much more open field by then though. I honestly won’t be surprised if Hillary decides to be a one term president.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:04pm

re: #438 WhatEVs

We were actually worried about her. She was stuck at 10 lbs for months.

I just realized she’s three this month. She’s growing too damned fast.

My niece is two next month. That just astounds me.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:11pm

re: #439 Aye Pod

LOL Now I’m seeing that scene from Apocalpse Now with the helicopters taking off, but this time blasting out Simon and Garfunkel.

That scene would be really weird done to “The Sound of Silence.”

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:15pm

Damn, Bernie got desperate real quick.
Yeesh.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:19pm

re: #426 Great White Snark

Wall street represents the antithesis of progressive goals.

On its face, that seems to be an incredibly broad and sweeping statement. As best I can tell, Wall Street is (at worst) agnostic to pretty much all social progress. They want to keep money flowing, rather than having it stashed under mattresses, which is generally good for the economy (and I like being employed). They are an engine of globalization, which may well lead to more efficient use of resources.

I mean, I think they’re a bunch of scum-sucking one-percenter bastards that have to be held in very close check, but “antithesis of progressive goals”?

I think that’s called Ted Cruz.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:21pm

re: #439 Aye Pod

LOL Now I’m seeing that scene from Apocalpse Now with the helicopters taking off, but this time blasting out Simon and Garfunkel.

That so cracked me up…. Hello you two~!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:09:57pm

re: #439 Aye Pod

LOL Now I’m seeing that scene from Apocalpse Now with the helicopters taking off, but this time blasting out Simon and Garfunkel.

Yeah, yeah the scene in Apocalypse Now but instead of Wagner, The Sound of Silence is playing. Oh could someone with technical know how do that?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:10:22pm

re: #442 Targetpractice

That scene would be really weird done to “The Sound of Silence.”

But brilliant.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:10:41pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

If I could get the clip from the movie, easy peasy on Premiere.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:10:57pm

After posting this article to Twitter, I’m getting hit with some really nutty Sanders supporters. These people really remind me of Ron Paulians.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:11:47pm

re: #444 Testy Toad T

On its face, that seems to be an incredibly broad and sweeping statement. As best I can tell, Wall Street is (at worst) agnostic to pretty much all social progress. They want to keep money flowing, rather than having it stashed under mattresses, which is generally good for the economy (and I like being employed). They are an engine of globalization, which may well lead to more efficient use of resources.

I mean, I think they’re a bunch of scum-sucking one-percenter bastards that have to be held in very close check, but “antithesis of progressive goals”?

I think that’s called Ted Cruz.

I think that’s true as well even though I’m generally critical of WS. Just like I’m critical of big business but concede that big businesses are generally speaking fairly socially liberal even if their motivations may strictly be financial (being inclusive means they get a bigger employee and customer base).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:12:01pm

re: #448 Great White Snark

If I could get the clip from the movie, easy peasy on Premiere.

Youtube perhaps?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:12:24pm

What should have every Bernie supporter’s hair turning white is the thought that, if this is how he acts when Hillary smacks him across the face, how’s he going to react when someone like Cruz or Rubio slugs him in the gut?

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:12:28pm

re: #410 Decatur Deb
Thanks!

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:12:42pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Yeah, yeah the scene in Apocalypse Now but instead of Wagner, The Sound of Silence is playing. Oh could someone with technical know how do that?

Probably not too hard to do…but I was thinking the ‘America’ song would be pretty sick :D

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urbanmeemaw  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:12:55pm

re: #449 Charles Johnson

Many of them remind me of the Snowald Cult.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:13:04pm

re: #454 Aye Pod

Probably not too hard to do…but I was thinking the ‘America’ song would be pretty sick :D

That works too.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:13:13pm

re: #449 Charles Johnson

After posting this article to Twitter, I’m getting hit with some really nutty Sanders supporters. These people really remind me of Ron Paulians.

I think it’s a fair question to ask how many Paulians have latched onto Bernie in the hopes that he’ll be the messiah that Crazy Uncle Liberty couldn’t be? That he’s getting closer to the White House than their previous great white hope ever could?

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:13:33pm

Is there an expectation that Sanders take it easy on HRC to avoid making her run in the general less challenging? Well either it’s a real challenge and the usual hardball is appropriate as per playing in the big leagues, or we are kinda asking him to make a sham of the primary for her benefit.

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WhatEVs  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:13:50pm

re: #433 Eric The Fruit Bat

TPP is not the oogie boogie they keep saying it is. It gives the US rights over IP do China can’t keep stealing our shit. There’re consequences now.

It’s not that damned simple.

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Ojoe  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:13:54pm

Bernie is fruit loops like most politicians.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:14:20pm

re: #426 Great White Snark

Wall street represents the antithesis of progressive goals.

I would note that Bill Clinton took millions from Wall Street, and passed a hefty tax increase on top earners.

Who you get money from suggests, but does not necessarily indicate, your priorities. It may also indicate who Wall Street sees as the least objectionable of their likely choices.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:14:58pm

re: #13 Kragar

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Sexism much?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:15:07pm

re: #450 HappyWarrior

I think that’s true as well even though I’m generally critical of WS. Just like I’m critical of big business but concede that big businesses are generally speaking fairly socially liberal even if their motivations may strictly be financial (being inclusive means they get a bigger employee and customer base).

Realpolitik is how you get shit done. I guess it’s gloriously noble and white-knightly of Sanders to turn down money from characters that are less than noble, but we live in a less-than-noble world. If Sanders were to turn down that sort of money and then get blown out by Rubio, well, I weigh my various sets of principles very differently.

To attempt to give Donald Rumsfeld a mild aneurysm, you run for president under the political system you have, not the political system you wish you had.

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b.d.  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:15:17pm

re: #449 Charles Johnson

After posting this article to Twitter, I’m getting hit with some really nutty Sanders supporters. These people really remind me of Ron Paulians.

My hunch is that a lot of them are the same bunch.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:15:42pm

re: #458 Great White Snark

Is there an expectation that Sanders take it easy on HRC to avoid making her run in the general less challenging? Well either it’s a real challenge and the usual hardball is appropriate as per playing in the big leagues, or we are kinda asking him to make a sham of the primary for her benefit.

Again, if he was targeting her alone, there would not be much fuss and it would be seen as legitimate party politics. But his tweet was so fucking broad that saying “Well, this is in response to Hillary” comes off as lame excuse-making. He’s pissed in the punch bowl and now we’re being told that complaining about it is wrong.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:16:24pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Yeah no kidding. I think deep down it’s because even Ol’ Frothy knows that Cruz and Trump are assholes and they can at least sell Rubio as not being an as big asshole but really if that’s his public reason, man that’s some swiss cheese hole logic.

You’d think Santorum would be attracted to the assholier than thou attitudes of Cruz and Trump, you know, being a total asshole himself.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:16:26pm

re: #458 Great White Snark

Is there an expectation that Sanders take it easy on HRC to avoid making her run in the general less challenging? Well either it’s a real challenge and the usual hardball is appropriate as per playing in the big leagues, or we are kinda asking him to make a sham of the primary for her benefit.

This is not only a strawman, from my perspective it looks like almost exactly the opposite of what is actually happening in this primary race.

Ol’ Bern can’t even take a tap on the chin, and it’s showing.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:16:45pm

re: #453 William Lewis

Thanks!

Milo Herlihy : ” I have had murderous feelings, though, I have to admit. Not getting laid, it’s starting to make me feel really angry towards women. And so I thought, well, if I join the Army, those inclinations, as you call them, would be seen as a plus. On your application, like. They don’t come right out and say that’s what they’re looking for. In the advertisements, it’s all about seeing the world and all that shite. But I would assume that wanting to murder someone would be like having a degree in engineering, you know, it would outweigh my lack of qualifications. “

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:16:50pm

re: #463 Testy Toad T

Realpolitik is how you get shit done. I guess it’s gloriously noble and white-knightly of Sanders to turn down money from characters that are less than noble, but we live in a less-than-noble world. If Sanders were to turn down that sort of money and then get blown out by Rubio, well, I weigh my various sets of principles very differently.

To attempt to give Donald Rumsfeld a mild aneurysm, you run for president under the political system you have, not the political system you wish you had.

Right which is why while I’m not fond of George Soros giving her six million bucks, it is a post Citizens United world and like what they say about the baseball players and their million dollar salaries, you’d be a fool not to take it. It’s an unfortunate system but I think yeah realpolitik and I will add in fairness to HRC that Wall Street is a big part of the state that she represented’s economy. I don’t love it but I understand it.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:10pm

re: #445 Great White Snark

That so cracked me up…. Hello you two~!

Hi how are you guys? I got a new camera recently btw - first proper good camera I’ve had - a Nikon D5300. Got it mainly for product photography but everything else too. I’ll have to put up a thread with some pics soon.

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b.d.  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:17pm

re: #457 Targetpractice

I think it’s a fair question to ask how many Paulians have latched onto Bernie in the hopes that he’ll be the messiah that Crazy Uncle Liberty couldn’t be? That he’s getting closer to the White House than their previous great white hope ever could?

Rand was hoping to be the heir apparent and they ran away from him like he had the plague.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:22pm

re: #458 Great White Snark

Is there an expectation that Sanders take it easy on HRC to avoid making her run in the general less challenging? Well either it’s a real challenge and the usual hardball is appropriate as per playing in the big leagues, or we are kinda asking him to make a sham of the primary for her benefit.

He said something stupid. Lots of people are going after him for saying something stupid.

Notice when you brought up the quite about the Wall Street ties, no one went nuts? That’s because it wasn’t something stupid.

Are people supposed to go easy on Sanders because he’s running as a Democrat?

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:24pm

re: #461 Blind Frog Belly White

A hefty tax increase, and yet so much de regulation and increase in corporate power during his years. Anyone recall the Arthur Anderson scandal? So little was done, and I think that really proves my point. On balance, he rolled over for corporal influence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:25pm

re: #466 BeachDem

You’d think Santorum would be attracted to the assholier than thou attitudes of Cruz and Trump, you know, being a total asshole himself.

I know, that’s why I thought he’d go their way earlier.

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Jack Burton  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:17:55pm

re: #460 Ojoe

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:20:03pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Santorum was polling at 0.2 percent in New Hampshire so that’s a big get for Rubio.

He should have waited another week—he was polling .3% in South Carolina—MOMENTUM.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:20:43pm

re: #472 Belafon

He said something stupid. Lots of people are going after him for saying something stupid.

Notice when you brought up the quite about the Wall Street ties, no one went nuts? That’s because it wasn’t something stupid.

Are people supposed to go easy on Sanders because he’s running as a Democrat?

I really think it was the thing about progressive and moderate that bothered people. He’s not running to be King of Progressives, he’s running to be President. Anyhow as I got at already, I think the WS and her voting record are legitimate points but I think it’s also a legitimate point of her to point out that he’d have a very difficult time getting his agenda passed. It cuts both ways. BTW I’m neutral. I have my criticisms of him and I have mine of her.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:20:54pm

re: #473 Great White Snark

A hefty tax increase, and yet so much de regulation and increase in corporate power during his years. Anyone recall the Arthur Anderson scandal? So little was done, and I think that really proves my point. On balance, he rolled over for corporal influence.

It’s, to be charitable, an example of when a Democratic president took money from Wall Street and was less than fully progressive in his agenda.

This somehow proves the statement that “you can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall Street”?

May I be so bold as to ask for even a second data point?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:21:00pm

LOLWUT

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thecommodore  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:21:27pm

“Donald you’re an asshole.”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:21:45pm

If Walter shows up, we’ll know it’s the Harrowing of Hell.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:22:01pm

re: #477 HappyWarrior

I really think it was the thing about progressive and moderate that bothered people.

This.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:23:45pm

re: #400 Stanley Sea

I missed this one. Baby’s first drug raid.

wonkette.com

That Wonkette baby is so damn cute. I just love the pics and videos they post of little miss Donna Rose.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:05pm

re: #482 Belafon

This.

Really if he wants to go after her for past votes, I understand that and that honestly is why I am not really a supporter of hers either but I think where he fails is he thinks that by default makes him better. Yes, he voted correctly on Iraq and she did not but she’s shown much more knowledge of international issues than he has.

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Jack Burton  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:13pm

re: #481 Decatur Deb

If Walter shows up, we’ll know it’s the Harrowing of Hell.

Didn’t he slowly get more and more assholish and then finally dare Charles to ban him? Or am I thinking of someone else? Maybe that was Cato?

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:16pm

Perhaps there’s some misunderstanding here. This matter didn’t start with Hillary taking a swipe at Bernie and his responding in kind. It started when he tweeted out that you can’t be a progressive and moderate. Now, I’m sure we can point to the original video about the question put to him and conclude that he meant Hillary, but that’s not how he worded the tweet and he rightly deserves to be criticized for it. And instead of apologizing for the tweet or correcting the record, he’s gone on the attack and is furthering the impression that he’s trying to divide the party.

TL;DR, Bernie’s starting to come off as a demagogue and that’s not who a lot of people want as the nominee.

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b.d.  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:25pm

re: #479 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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That means that now guys should hit on all of the sober women?

Lotsa luck with that one.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:43pm

re: #473 Great White Snark

Anyone recall the Arthur Anderson scandal? So little was done, and I think that really proves my point.

Actually, Sarbanes-Oxley came out of that-but it’s been so sparingly (or so badly) applied it’s been for all practical purposes useless.

It should have been used with flourish as part of the Great Recession as SarbOx required that the CEOs and CFOs are required under penalty of perjury to sign-off that all financial reporting was accurate under Section 404. Then when things like the London Whale fiasco hit, that should have raised all sort of red flags.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:24:58pm

re: #487 b.d.

That means that now guys should hit on all of the sober women?

Lotsa luck with that one.

Tough enough as is when they’re buzzed, I assure you.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:25:04pm

re: #485 Jack Burton

Didn’t he slowly get more and more assholish and then finally dare Charles to ban him? Or am I thinking of someone else? Maybe that was Cato?

Think they both just faded away during the sea change.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:25:24pm

re: #470 Aye Pod

Hi how are you guys? I got a new camera recently btw - first proper good camera I’ve had - a Nikon D5300. Got it mainly for product photography but everything else too. I’ll have to put up a thread with some pics soon.

Please do, that’s one fine machine especially for the cost. We just bought a large diffusion box, one big enough (36”) to put large orchids in and get the flowers really right. I hope to up the Orchid photo game out there. Especially now that Dragon_Lady is in the 5 year course to become a judge and built her own green house. We are pretty good out here, it just takes a lot of hours working or studying to make progress. Example I pulled a straight double shift just yesterday. Eight hours on the regular work then eight more doing a PC/Server network thing.

Please say hi to Ice for us both.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:26:31pm

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Really if he wants to go after her for past votes, I understand that and that honestly is why I am not really a supporter of hers either but I think where he fails is he thinks that by default makes him better. Yes, he voted correctly on Iraq and she did not but she’s shown much more knowledge of international issues than he has.

And, as she points out, his votes on guns and immigration haven’t been progressive. And that kind of debate is not only useful, but necessary and informative.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:26:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:26:50pm

re: #488 Eric The Fruit Bat

Actually, Sarbanes-Oxley came out of that-but it’s been used so sparingly (or so badly) applied it’s been for all practical purposes useless.

And yet, an enormous pain in the ass.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:27:16pm

re: #492 Belafon

And, as she points out, his votes on guns and immigration haven’t been progressive. And that kind of debate is not only useful, but necessary and informative.

I missed the immigration stuff. That actually disappoints me. I thought he’d know better being a child of one himself who has talked a lot about how tough that was.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:27:38pm

re: #421 Great White Snark

“You can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall street”.
Sanders about Hilary. Totally fair point.

Damn, I was logging back out…but then I saw you posted something on the internet! (And seemed to get some kickback on it)

I agree. But, maybe only about strictly dealing with the banking system…unless you take their money with the promise of it will be used for for pushing them (bankers) into something like getting banking behind funding small businesses, infrastructure rebuilding…like roads, bridges, parks and Flint Michigans.

And let’s not forget about college funding too. Maybe through banking reform there could be a way to knock down some of the debt as a payment back toward the recovery Obama started and she will continue.

See if you can get the banks to cover some of the education of this country. More productivity, creativity and efficiency and the banks will have more business to make money from. Losen the banks up and make them feel there is a give and take rather than all take.

It might be more workable than Bernie threatening to storm the banks and make drastic changes. They are already holding money out of fear. The banks are here. We all use them. Make ‘em them work for you and everybody can make money.

And all that may be pie in the sky…but just an example of how things can be turned. Rebuild America through the help of the banks…a way for them to get back in business and to work with America again and clear up their bad reputations.

Now outside banking…what if she does indeed continue to push the Obama thinking adds in the infrastructure, betters the healthcare system by tightening up the ACA. I think the healthcare insurers may be a bit more willing to work now that it is in.

Women’s wages…women’s health issues. All could still be considered progressive achievements if met. Progressive liberal thinking justice appointments. And lots of other judges too. Immigration reform, etc., etc.

I’m sure there is plenty more progressive things she can work on outside of banking. So, I’m not going to limit her totally on the same one note Bernie gets hammer for sounding.

(Okay back out…)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:27:55pm

re: #493 goddamnedfrank

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Ha yeah you don’t say. What a douche. Just admit what you are FFS.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:28:15pm

re: #493 goddamnedfrank

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“Shit, is that what that means? I thought it just looked cool!” said no Twitter user with an SS logo for his avi, ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:28:48pm

So, apparently more than the just the original 11 arrested have been indicted.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:28:56pm

re: #407 ObserverArt

Had to log back in and share a funny Tweety Matthews made tonight speaking about Bernie.

He said (not word for word) “Bernie is that guy back in ‘69 with the bullhorn standing on the college commons and yelling up at the Administration Building saying there will be a revolution. Same guy today.”

Thought that was a pretty good characterization of the Berner.

Tweetie must have changed horses. I remember after the first debate, he was tongue-bathing Bernie something fierce.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:29:13pm

re: #421 Great White Snark

“You can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall street”.
Sanders about Hilary. Totally fair point.

I am still so far behind in the thread.

But. Wall Street people are our neighbors too. Many progressives work in the financial business of America.

It’s like, close down the insurance companies!!!!!! The people who work there are our neighbors too.

It is not all/nothing. It’s called compromise. Make the system better. The system employs so many of us.

The extreme rhetoric never ever takes into effect the repercussions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:29:17pm

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

“Shit, is that what that means? I thought it just looked cool!” said no Twitter user with an SS logo for his avi, ever.

True story but when I found out that the Neo-Nazis co-opted the Celtic Cross, I decided no way in hell was I getting that tattooed. I don’t want some douchebag Nazi mistaking me for a like minded individual. It ended up working for the best as what I got is much more unique.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:29:36pm

re: #480 thecommodore

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“Donald you’re an asshole.”

Ilegal mescal is the best kind of mescal.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:30:59pm

re: #478 Testy Toad T

It’s, to be charitable, an example of when a Democratic president took money from Wall Street and was less than fully progressive in his agenda.

This somehow proves the statement that “you can’t be a progressive and take millions from Wall Street”?

May I be so bold as to ask for even a second data point?

Why of course…
Wall Street deregulation pushed by Clinton advisers, documents reveal
theguardian.com

Demise of Glass-Steagal-Note it’s a long timeline, in this instance looking at Clintons time.
pbs.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:30:59pm

re: #501 Stanley Sea

I am still so far behind in the thread.

But. Wall Street people are our neighbors too. Many progressives work in the financial business of America.

It’s like, close down the insurance companies!!!!!! The people who work there are our neighbors too.

It is not all/nothing. It’s called compromise. Make the system better. The system employs so many of us.

The extreme rhetoric never ever takes into effect the repercussions.

That’s true as well. That’s sort of (not playing MBF here) but the left side almost of privatize everything. I mean as I said I have my qualms of Wall Street but as you get at, a lot of people who are our friends and family work there, hell my own cousin works there. Very intelligent young woman and an Ivy Leaguer at that too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:32:02pm

re: #496 ObserverArt

I think the issue is that Bernie is almost completely driven by economics. Because of this, he views Progressivism largely in economic terms. But Progressivism is about a lot more than that.

Indeed, Bernie has sometimes seemed deaf to Progressive issues outside of bank regulation and income inequality, largely for this reason.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:34:26pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:34:38pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

True story but when I found out that the Neo-Nazis co-opted the Celtic Cross, I decided no way in hell was I getting that tattooed. I don’t want some douchebag Nazi mistaking me for a like minded individual. It ended up working for the best as what I got is much more unique.

Imagine my dismay when I read that White Supremacists just LOVE Scottish Games.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:34:55pm

Can you be progressive and not think capitalism is completely horrible?

Asking for a friend.

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ausador  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:34:57pm

You could have gotten down and tried again, but no…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:35:00pm

re: #458 Great White Snark

Is there an expectation that Sanders take it easy on HRC to avoid making her run in the general less challenging? Well either it’s a real challenge and the usual hardball is appropriate as per playing in the big leagues, or we are kinda asking him to make a sham of the primary for her benefit.

Of course not. But his challenges need to be tuned to get the uh, moderate progressive vote.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:35:28pm

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, apparently more than the just the original 11 arrested have been indicted.

Going for a Diane Arbus look here:

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Testy Toad T  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:35:28pm

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed, Bernie has sometimes seemed deaf to Progressive issues outside of bank regulation and income inequality, largely for this reason.

And, as noted previously, really income inequality of the top third or half of this country. If you’re a poor black kid in south Chicago, what the hell does bellyaching about college loan debt mean to you?

There is a strong tint of privilege in Sanders’ economic message.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:35:58pm

re: #506 Blind Frog Belly White

I think the issue is that Bernie is almost completely driven by economics. Because of this, he views Progressivism largely in economic terms. But Progressivism is about a lot more than that.

Indeed, Bernie has sometimes seemed deaf to Progressive issues outside of bank regulation and income inequality, largely for this reason.

I remember talking about Sergey really before Bernie’s campaign really took off that I felt alot of past socialists really ignored social issues since economics i.e. THE REVOLUTION had to come first so ergo you still had tons of sexism, homophobia, and racism in Marxist nations. Now I think Bernie’s not as blind as they were, the guy did participate in the Freedom Rides but I really think he does limit himself by only seeing these problems in economic terms. Is economic inequality a problem? You bet it is, it’s honestly obscene to me that 1% of the population controls so much of the wealth but at the same time, economics doesn’t explain how a man like that African-American tennis player can be harassed by police for being black. I think Bernie just comes off oblivious to these sort of things since Vermont is such a homogeneous state which like wise I think explains what I consider a blind spot on guns.

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Great White Snark  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:36:01pm

re: #501 Stanley Sea

Who regulates who though? Congress and the agencies seem to be regulated by corporate interests when push comes to shove. We need a return to the other way ‘round, IMHO. I think it crucial. Sure they are our neighbors, inside that gated community. At the private schools picking up kids after filing tax forms that so reduced tax revenues states struggle to pay for good public schools. Or that student loan interest rate thing OMG… To my Wall street neighbors I would shout you had your turn. Time to balance. Not eliminate the firms just get a check and balance back in place.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:36:28pm

re: #508 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine my dismay when I read that White Supremacists just LOVE Scottish Games.

Fuck them. I’m going to go, enjoy it, and call them out if I see them.

One of the better athletes competing in the pros for a while was a black guy. Can’t remember for sure if there were any this year, but as far as I could see they were welcomed with open arms.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:36:42pm

re: #508 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine my dismay when I read that White Supremacists just LOVE Scottish Games.

They really do ruin a lot of things don’t they? PS: Great Great Grandma was from Glasgow but of Irish parentage.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:36:54pm

re: #481 Decatur Deb

If Walter shows up, we’ll know it’s the Harrowing of Hell.

“Strange nonsensical haikus began to appear, followed by rambling paragraphs where every phrase was connected by ellipses…now more terrible words, reeking of misogyny, homophobia and personal butthurt began to take shape on the page in the form of a Gilbert and Sullivan song. Something was clearly afoot…something bad…”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:37:32pm

re: #494 Blind Frog Belly White

And yet, an enormous pain in the ass.

The worst part is that there was plenty of opportunities to wield it as part of the Great Recession, but the sniveling weasel Lanny Breuer backed down. Even worse were what was happening at the state level, where the state regulators were being slapped around by the appraisers who were basically bribing the legislators who said the ratings agencies could not provide ratings for pools written in states unless the states backed off on their lending oversight regulation. Georgia was the canary in the coal mine, followed by Nevada and Arizona.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:38:31pm

re: #513 Testy Toad T

And, as noted previously, really income inequality of the top third or half of this country. If you’re a poor black kid in south Chicago, what the hell does bellyaching about college loan debt mean to you?

There is a strong tint of privilege in Sanders’ economic message.

Sanders’ message is not much separated from Hillary’s, it’s just that she’s not a one-note wonder. She addresses foreign policy issues without trying to visibly drag them back to economic inequality. She tackles social issues without trying to link them all back to economic policy. Name a topic and she can address it without going back to the same comfort zone. You can argue that she comes off as a bit robotic or not sincere at times, but at least she sounds like she understands there’s more to the world than bringing fire and brimstone down upon Wall St’s head.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:38:33pm

re: #470 Aye Pod

Would LOVE to see the landscape where you & Ice spend your days. You know, a day in the life.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:38:58pm

re: #455 urbanmeemaw

Many of them remind me of the Snowald Cult.

Well, at least from what I see at kos, they are one and the same. When the whole Bernie Bro thing came up, I think the mighty Glenn “debunked” it, and the Bernin’ koskids pretty much said that put the whole issue to rest as non-existent. Greenwald said it wasn’t a real thing—therefore it wasn’t. Period. Paragraph.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:39:21pm

re: #509 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can you be progressive and not think capitalism is completely horrible?

Asking for a friend.

I like a lot of capitalism. I think my accounts at Amazon Prime, Hulu, and Netflix speak to that but heh you get me at what drives me nuts about one of my more lefty lefty friends. Guy is always bitching about capitalism. I mean the system has its flaws but so does socialism. I think what the 20th century proves is that the best system is not purely either.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:39:39pm

re: #475 Jack Burton

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Welcome back Ojoe!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:40:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:40:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:40:49pm

re: #518 Aye Pod

“Strange nonsensical haikus began to appear, followed by rambling paragraphs where every phrase was connected by ellipses…now more terrible words, reeking of misogyny, homophobia and personal butthurt began to take shape on the page in the form of a Gilbert and Sullivan song. Something was clearly afoot…something bad…”

Still dream of a general amnesty, after a Truth and Reconciliation Commisssion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:40:49pm

re: #509 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can you be progressive and not think capitalism is completely horrible?

Asking for a friend.

To me it’s all in how you view Capitalism. If you view it as an end in itself, almost as a religion, you’re almost certainly not progressive. If you see it as an economic system that works because it rewards risk taking and innovation, but which naturally concentrates wealth and power and therefore needs to be carefully and prudently regulated, then you can be a Progressive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:42:06pm

re: #526 goddamnedfrank

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Better to be that than a rooter of a bunch of cowards whose leader took his own life because he didn’t have the balls to actually face a trial for what he did.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:42:59pm

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

To me it’s all in how you view Capitalism. If you view it as an end in itself, almost as a religion, you’re almost certainly not progressive. If you see it as an economic system that works because it rewards risk taking and innovation, but which naturally concentrates wealth and power and therefore needs to be carefully and prudently regulated, then you can be a Progressive.

Oh good, I was worried that even uttering the words Wall Street without an accompanying “MUST BE DESTROYED” meant my progressive card must be questionable.

I mean my friend’s.

Of course, the part where I actually invest in that hell hole and have been responsible and therefore have saved up a reasonable bit probably means I’ve lost it, but hey.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:43:03pm

re: #521 Stanley Sea

Would LOVE to see the landscape where you & Ice spend your days. You know, a day in the life.

I’ll post something along those lines :) Also pigeons.

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:43:11pm

re: #526 goddamnedfrank

Man, that sounds like something invented by the worst Dungeon Master ever.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:43:44pm

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

To me it’s all in how you view Capitalism. If you view it as an end in itself, almost as a religion, you’re almost certainly not progressive. If you see it as an economic system that works because it rewards risk taking and innovation, but which naturally concentrates wealth and power and therefore needs to be carefully and prudently regulated, then you can be a Progressive.

Indeed, it’s a system not a religion. Some works, some doesn’t. Like the Constitution, we have to be aware when its core tenets were developed. Economics like religion and law can and should evolve with the times and the reason for that is simple. Societies change.

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bratwurst  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #522 BeachDem

Well, at least from what I see at kos, they are one and the same. When the whole Bernie Bro thing came up, I think the mighty Glenn “debunked” it, and the Bernin’ koskids pretty much said that put the whole issue to rest as non-existent. Greenwald said it wasn’t a real thing—therefore it wasn’t. Period. Paragraph.

So all of the misogyny and downright nasty behavior is a figment of collective imagination? Hillary plants?

I have officially had it up to my back teeth with these Bernie Bros as of today. I would be willing to wager many of them couldn’t explain what “single payer” even means.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:45:01pm

re: #534 bratwurst

So all of the misogyny and downright nasty behavior is a figment of collective imagination? Hillary plants?

I have officially had it up to my back teeth with these Bernie Bros as of today. I would be willing to wager many of them couldn’t explain what “single payer” even means.

That’s when Bill Gates pays the taxes for everyone right? Single (tax)payer?

///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:46:17pm

re: #513 Testy Toad T

And, as noted previously, really income inequality of the top third or half of this country. If you’re a poor black kid in south Chicago, what the hell does bellyaching about college loan debt mean to you?

There is a strong tint of privilege in Sanders’ economic message.

Well, to be fair, it means a surprisingly large amount. Student loans have become yet another way to redistribute wealth upward, and the burden they place on the economy supresses demand, slowing job and wage growth.

But the concerns “a poor black kid in south Chicago” feels every day don’t SEEM to be tied to it, and if it all went away in an instant, he’d still face all the same systemic racism he did yesterday. So, the economic stuff DOES impact him, but it’s nothing like the be-all and end-all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:46:44pm

re: #534 bratwurst

So all of the misogyny and downright nasty behavior is a figment of collective imagination? Hillary plants?

I have officially had it up to my back teeth with these Bernie Bros as of today. I would be willing to wager many of them couldn’t explain what “single payer” even means.

I am really sick and tired of Greenwald. Loves to bitch about our country but ignores how his adoptive nation is uhh not exactly Democratic either. He’s just a pathetic troll. He’d be more credible if he didn’t constantly apologize for other nations doing the same crap he bashes ours for. My problems with GG aren’t ideological int themselves, it’s that the guy has no principles. I am not rah rah USA as everyone knows but I also resent some guy who can only find fault but never favor ignoring other countries who happen to go along with his America bashing doing the same thing.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:48:43pm

re: #527 Decatur Deb

Still dream of a general amnesty, after a Truth and Reconciliation Commisssion.

Nah. I’m with Quentin Tarantino on these matters.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:49:49pm

re: #538 Aye Pod

Nah. I’m with Quentin Tarantino on these matters.

Ah, the ol’ tub was full of assholes when we signed on.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:50:32pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

Again, if he was targeting her alone, there would not be much fuss and it would be seen as legitimate party politics. But his tweet was so fucking broad that saying “Well, this is in response to Hillary” comes off as lame excuse-making. He’s pissed in the punch bowl and now we’re being told that complaining about it is wrong.

He also doesn’t seem to be doing anything to keep his flying monkeys in check. Case in point, the swarming against Planned Parenthood after that whole kerfuffle.

He can go after Hillary (although, Mr. “Man of the Mostest Honor and Integrity Ever” stated he would NEVER run a negative campaign at all), but he or his staff has had something snotty to say about every recent Hillary endorser and everything the Democratic party has done. (Although, when that happens, the fanbois and girls say “Oh, it was just some low level staffer or volunteer.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:52:01pm

re: #509 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can you be progressive and not think capitalism is completely horrible?

Asking for a friend.

That is the for/against bullshit. Hey Bernie, talk to a small business owner why don’cha?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:55:39pm

The more I see of Sanders at these debates, the less I like him. He’s a one-trick pony honestly. That may work in VT, but on the international stage, yelling about big banks and Glass/Steagall won’t accomplish anything.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:55:46pm

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

To me it’s all in how you view Capitalism. If you view it as an end in itself, almost as a religion, you’re almost certainly not progressive. If you see it as an economic system that works because it rewards risk taking and innovation, but which naturally concentrates wealth and power and therefore needs to be carefully and prudently regulated, then you can be a Progressive.

One of my favorite things about capitalism is that it doesn’t require a central planner. But even for that, there are some things that require a central planner and funding source: Education, research, and public services for instance.

It poses an interesting problem. What I need is a word that’s about 67% capitalist and 33% socialist to represent my views on what our economic system should be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:56:01pm

re: #540 BeachDem

And having Cornel West as one of his surrogates always bashing every single thing thing about Obama and freely using the N-word in connection with the president.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:56:41pm

re: #454 Aye Pod

Probably not too hard to do…but I was thinking the ‘America’ song would be pretty sick :D

You could use something like YouDubber to mix them.

youdubber.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:56:47pm

I really do get the impression that they just the electorate is supposed to see his voting record and think that means we should vote for him. And I admit that was an appeal for me and I can see that as appeal but I am sorry but being President is so much more than that. When PP endorsed Hillary Clinton, they were endorsing someone they felt would stand up loudly and fight for them with all their might. Sanders does have a great record on choice but Cecille Richards and the board who decided to give him PP’s endorsement were looking at all factors and I really think that’s what the Sanders supporter who tells you to look at Hillary and Bernie’s record misses.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:57:09pm

re: #543 Belafon

One of my favorite things about capitalism is that it doesn’t require a central planner. But even for that, there are some things that require a central planner and funding source: Education, research, and public services for instance.

It poses an interesting problem. What I need is a word that’s about 67% capitalist and 33% socialist to represent my views on what our economic system should be.

How about “Sensible”, or perhaps “Pragmatic”?

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:57:49pm

re: #547 Blind Frog Belly White

How about “Sensible”, or perhaps “Pragmatic”?

But them I’m not progressive.

//

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:58:38pm

re: #539 Decatur Deb

Ah, the ol’ tub was full of assholes when we signed on.

They gave us a lot of sport too - but seriously in among the common or garden idiots and assholes were also many seriously obsessive, nasty little creeps whose banning I don’t think Charles would ever consider reversing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 5:59:13pm

re: #548 Belafon

But them I’m not progressive.

//

Ask some Conservatives whether those views would make you progressive. You’ll be lucky if they don’t call you Communist.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:00:02pm

re: #544 Backwoods_Sleuth

And having Cornell West as one of his surrogates always bashing every single thing thing about Obama and freely using the N-word in connection with the president.

A lot of his surrogates are from that part of the left that honestly disillusioned me from 2005-2008. And I hate to say it but they sort of validate some of what the right says about lefties correct. Of course, those same right wingers are assholes in their own way and much worse. See :”Moderate Marco” saying the President divvied the country by visiting that mosque today for instance but it is true that the far left does have a “We know what’s best for you mentality” and I can see why that not only alienates moderates but some liberals too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:00:10pm

re: #547 Blind Frog Belly White

How about “Sensible”, or perhaps “Pragmatic”?

I’m pretty sure that a lot of the Berniestans consider those fighting words.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:00:43pm

re: #515 Great White Snark

Who regulates who though? Congress and the agencies seem to be regulated by corporate interests when push comes to shove. We need a return to the other way ‘round, IMHO. I think it crucial. Sure they are our neighbors, inside that gated community. At the private schools picking up kids after filing tax forms that so reduced tax revenues states struggle to pay for good public schools. Or that student loan interest rate thing OMG… To my Wall street neighbors I would shout you had your turn. Time to balance. Not eliminate the firms just get a check and balance back in place.

I was on a conference call today. 3 male bosses, 3 women who do the work. I betcha the 3 male bosses make 4X our salary. I’m still contemplating the experience.

Wall street cannot be defined as gated houses or Trump tower apartments.

I totally agree that change is needed. Bernie has certainly raised this.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:02:03pm

re: #538 Aye Pod

Nah. I’m with Quentin Tarantino on these matters.

As in the ending of Inglorious Basterds, I presume? If so, I concur.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:02:21pm

re: #552 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure that a lot of the Berniestans consider those fighting words.

Pragmatic was a bad word to a lot of my fellow Kucinich supporters in 2004. They hated the idea of having to “settle” for Kerry who had quite a liberal record. I mean that’s what bugs me. I’m seeing a lot of the same political immaturity from people who I thought would have learned by now which is why I got a little defensive earlier when millenials got brought up. And you know this as one yourself klys that not everyone in our generation loves Bernie.

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gwangung  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:02:51pm

re: #544 Backwoods_Sleuth

And having Cornel West as one of his surrogates always bashing every single thing thing about Obama and freely using the N-word in connection with the president.

Berniebros are kinda blind on the optics of this. (Which pretty proves the point, right).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:04:37pm

re: #553 Stanley Sea

I was on a conference call today. 3 male bosses, 3 women who do the work. I betcha the 3 male bosses make 4X our salary. I’m still contemplating the experience.

Wall street cannot be defined as gated houses or Trump tower apartments.

I totally agree that change is needed. Bernie has certainly raised this.

It’s a legit gripe. One thing that disturbs me the most is how executive pay has skyrocketed while worker pay has stagnated. But the thing is we’re not going to get to where we were in the past over night. We need to take careful steps. And in some cases I disagree with the radical steps called, I personally think a 90% income tax bracket is too out there and if you had it, you’d have even more tax dodging. I’m for a modest increase on what we have now and punishing tax cheats.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:06:25pm

re: #534 bratwurst

So all of the misogyny and downright nasty behavior is a figment of collective imagination? Hillary plants?

I have officially had it up to my back teeth with these Bernie Bros as of today. I would be willing to wager many of them couldn’t explain what “single payer” even means.

I’d love to see a Venn diagram of Bernie supporters and Greenwald/Snowden supporters. My guess is that it would be one main circle with maybe a tiny bit of outlying shadow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:08:37pm

re: #552 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure that a lot of the Berniestans consider those fighting words.

My Socialist brother drives me buggy about this shit. Sure, I can respect that he’s a pacifist, and that he deplores American foreign policy and our tendency to put the needs and freedom of other countries’ populations far behind “Our National Interest”, but to say he sees NO DIFFERENCE between electing someone like Trump and electing Hillary Clinton? Or that Obama’s foreign policy is just ‘Bush with a smile’?

He’s like the mirror image of the guy who’s so far to the Right that Moderate looks radically Leftist to him.

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:09:14pm

re: #554 De Kolta Chair

As in the ending of Inglorious Basterds, I presume? If so, I concur.

Yep. Also Joss Whedon, esp where Buffy chops Caleb in half, right up the wobbly bits.

Buffy VS Caleb

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:13:08pm

Honestly the 2004 election shaped me. I started out in it as an idealist. As I noted above, former Kucinich supporter so i’m not someone who’s been a stone cold pragmatist all my life. However, I realized as the primaries happened that the guy just wasn’t presidential material. I realized that stances on the issues weren’t merely enough. Kerry lost that 2004 election anyhow. Some of that I blame on the RNC taking advantage of homophobia to get out the vote on their side, some of it I blame on Kerry not calling the Swift Boat vets on their lies, and some of it I blame on a part of the left wing base that whined that Kerry wasn’t good enough for them. Anyhow. Two years later the Dems got back Congress and then two years after that Obama won. I think my core principles have been pretty consistent since the time I was 17 in those days to what I am at 28 now but what has changed is how I approach things. I’m aware more than I was then that a candidate’s not always going to agree with me but I have ot see the big picutre and the big picture is frankly that why throw a fit if the candidate nominated isn’t going to do 90% of what I want. Obama’s done more for LGBT Americans than any President before him by a mile and gay marriage is now legal everywhere in the US. More Americans are insured than they were before 2008 too. Now have we fixed everything? No but we made progress just like we made progress in the New Deal but didn’t really start the road to racial equality until later. Progressivism is a journey not an event.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:14:30pm

FUCK I finally caught up.

New thread upstairs!

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:18:58pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ain’t nothing complicates your life like a federal indictment.

(In federal court - the rules are very different)

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Aye Pod  Feb 3, 2016 • 6:24:15pm

re: #491 Great White Snark

Please do, that’s one fine machine especially for the cost. We just bought a large diffusion box, one big enough (36”) to put large orchids in and get the flowers really right. I hope to up the Orchid photo game out there. Especially now that Dragon_Lady is in the 5 year course to become a judge and built her own green house. We are pretty good out here, it just takes a lot of hours working or studying to make progress. Example I pulled a straight double shift just yesterday. Eight hours on the regular work then eight more doing a PC/Server network thing.

Please say hi to Ice for us both.

Will do! Sounds nice, glad both of you are doing well! I had no idea Dragon Lady was studying to be a judge, that is awesome. Say hi back to her for us :)

I’ve got a workable set up for taking the pictures, - a couple of lights, dark blue sheet and some coloured cards for backdrops and a little turntable for videos. A proper lightbox would definitely be better though I think.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 3, 2016 • 8:23:06pm

re: #470 Aye Pod

Hi how are you guys? I got a new camera recently btw - first proper good camera I’ve had - a Nikon D5300. Got it mainly for product photography but everything else too. I’ll have to put up a thread with some pics soon.

I user a D3200 I got about 2.5 years ago. The stuff I post on threads is mainly using that with some iPhone stuff mixed in.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:42:05am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted, wipe your face. You’ve got mouth diarrhea again.


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