Anti-Choice Video Maker David Daleiden Turns Himself in to Face Felony Charge

He plans to turn down a probation deal and wants an apology instead
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David Daleiden, the anti-choice fanatic who conducted a years-long illegal “sting” operation to create a series of deceptively edited videos attacking Planned Parenthood with dishonest claims that they “sell baby parts,” turned himself in to authorities in Texas today to face a felony charge stemming from his illegal activities that could result in up to 20 years in prison. He was immediately released on bond and will return to Texas in March for a court date.

Prosecutors have offered Daleiden and his accomplice Sandra Merritt a probation deal if they plead guilty, but their religious fanatic lawyers from the Thomas More Society are planning to turn the offer down.

“David will not be taking the [offer],” Peter Breen, special counsel with the Thomas More Society, a legal aid organization assisting with Daleiden’s criminal defense, told reporters outside the Harris County courthouse Thursday. “What we want is an apology and that’s where we’re at right now. He is innocent of the charges.”

The Thomas More Society is infamous for their activist stance on religious right legal problems; they were the firm that tried to defend the Dover, Pennsylvania, school district’s attempt to force creationism into public schools in 2004, and more recently they were involved in Kentucky clerk Kim Davis’s anti-gay clown show. This is a convergence of very bad, very regressive people.

Daleiden and the Thomas More Society are going to try to hide behind the First Amendment to excuse his alleged criminal activity, but according to experts the First Amendment won’t shield these defendants.

Planned Parenthood has issued a statement about Daleiden’s claim to be a “journalist:”

“We don’t know of any journalists who have engaged in wire fraud and mail fraud, lied to multiple government agencies, tampered with government documents, and broken laws in at least four states — only to lie about what they found,” said Eric Ferrero, vice president at Planned Parenthood Federation of America. “It’s hard to imagine anyone calling that ‘journalism.’”

At this point, 12 states have conducted investigations into Planned Parenthood’s practices — prompted by Daleiden’s sleazy attack videos — and every single one of those investigations has ended up clearing Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing.

Here’s David Daleiden’s smirking mug shot for the record.

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442 comments
1
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:52:25am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:57:22am
“What we want is an apology…”

Ah, the Rage Furby theory of lawsuits and criminal charges.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:58:26am

“Pro-lifers” are invariably scum

A caller asked [Sandy] Rios, who campaigns against both abortion and contraception, why she and other conservatives had been largely silent about the Flint water crisis, which was caused in no small part by directives imposed on city officials by the state’s Republican administration.

Rios blamed the city’s Democratic city officials, who were largely powerless to refuse state orders, and said she didn’t care about the issue as much as she feared ISIS and “our out-of-control borders.”

“The whole issue in Michigan — the left loves to, they’re now creating this, I’m sorry, I’m going to really go out on a limb here, this Zika virus which I haven’t talked about,” Rios said. “They love to come up with tragedies and they love to blame and they love to scare people. I think this issue in Michigan is a serious one, but I don’t think it’s the big issue that these other issues are.”

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:58:55am

I’m sad for being downwind of the courthouse in Harris Co and thus potentially subjected to breathing the same air as this fuckwit and his lawyers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:59:35am

re: #3 Kragar

“Pro-lifers” are invariably scum

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ASsholes.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:59:40am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 10:59:52am

re: #3 Kragar

Rios blamed the city’s Democratic city officials, who were largely powerless to refuse state orders, and said she didn’t care about the issue as much as she feared ISIS and “our out-of-control borders.”

Here is my shocked face…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:00:31am

re: #7 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Here is my shocked face…

Rios needs to see a shrink not be given a microphone to spread her paranoia to other like minded paranoids.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:01:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:03:49am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:04:11am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Terrible to exploit their kids like that.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:04:39am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Feliny Charges?

THEY’RE SAYING HE’S A CAT?
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nines09  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:04:59am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Terrible to exploit their kids like that.

It’s the icing on the shit cake that they are.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:05:13am

re: #4 allegro

I’m sad for being downwind of the courthouse in Harris Co and thus potentially subjected to breathing the same air as this fuckwit and his lawyers.

Jury pool, baby!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:05:20am

re: #13 nines09

It’s the icing on the shit cake that they are.

Really is.

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mmmirele  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:06:45am

Daleiden and his co-defendant, their lawyers andtheir supporters need to apologize to all American women for trying to tell us what to do with our bodies. I am tired of these people trying to crawl up my ladyparts.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:07:37am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

” David Daleiden is a citizen journalist. This is an indictment against journalists.” Pro-life activist. #khou11
— Melissa Correa

Eyeroll

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:08:01am

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:08:59am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Terrible to exploit their kids like that.

At least they bundled the tykes up. Chilly day today. I still can’t t get my dog outa bed - had to pick him up and carry him out this morning to pee cuz he was all like “Noooo! Cold! Don’t wanna!” Hauled ass back inside to burrow back under the covers.

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nines09  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:09:28am

Carly Fiorina should be jumping on this dumpster fire. It’s so, her.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:09:58am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

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His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

I seem to remember that load of bullshit making the rounds on Whirled Nuts about 6 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:10:40am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

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His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

Yeah David Manning who believes Starbucks places the semen of gay men in their coffee. May as well ask Miggs from Silence of the Lambs his opinion. He really wants to believe whatever weird gay fantasies about politicians who he hates are true no matter how absurd or unsupported they are. Even if Obama is gay(I don’t believe he is) but if he is, he hasn’t made a career bashing gay people. CCJ may want to learn more about his own candidate who made tons of young women feel uncomfortable at Pricneton but I’m sure ot Chuck that’s a merit.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:10:45am

re: #14 WhatEVs

Jury pool, baby!

Ooo, that would be a jury on which I would be delighted to serve. Dunno if I could hide my enthusiasm enough to get selected though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:11:05am

re: #19 allegro

At least they bundled the tykes up. Chilly day today. I still can’t t get my dog outa bed - had to pick him up and carry him out this morning to pee cuz he was all like “Noooo! Cold! Don’t wanna!” Hauled ass back inside to burrow back under the covers.

It’s been strangely warm here. The snow from last week is almost gone.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:13:30am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

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His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

This is gonna hurt Obama’s re-election chances.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:13:46am

Well, that was a fun call.

“The doctor wants to double check a few things about your test results, so we want you to schedule a consultation with an oncologist.”

Mother fucker.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:15:10am

re: #26 Kragar

Hope it’s just precautionary.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:17:36am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

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His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

No, no, no, we need these made-up stories truthful vetting reports about Hillary, not Obummer.

/

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retired cynic  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:18:55am

re: #26 Kragar

Not a fun call. Be well!

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:19:27am

Daledein is going to take the Dinesh D’Souza route - he did nothing wrong and will fight it until the bitter end. Right up to the moment he enters a plea deal because the fact was that he’d end up serving even more time in prison.

Here’s hoping prosecutors decide to give Daledein the same treatment. The longer he waits to cut a deal, the longer his sentence will be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:19:29am

re: #28 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

No, no, no, we need these made-up stories truthful vetting reports about Hillary, not Obummer.

/

Hillary had hot lesbian sex with Eleanor Roosevelt and Carly Fiorina(had to throw her in since Chuck loves bashing on his own party’s candidates).

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:20:11am

re: #27 freetoken

Hope it’s just precautionary.

That is what they’re saying, that something didn’t look right on the ultrasound they had me do, so they want me to see a specialist.

They could have fucking mentioned it when I was in their office yesterday morning rather than calling me today. The nurse said she was calling to make sure I remembered to schedule the appointment. First I heard of me needing to.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:20:16am

And here it is. I have been waiting to see if he would post something.

As I have mentioned numerous times, I read a blog by an attorney in Harris County. He’s mostly moved on to a bigger blog run by a big law firm (he is also one of the people who was involved with the television series Cold Justice). He (and most of the attorneys who post in the comments) are Republicans.

He wrote a post on Daleiden. Read it and read the comments. And tell me Texas doesn’t have the ability to go purple.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:20:47am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:22:48am

Daledien doesn’t give a shit about babies. He wants to control women.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:22:55am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ugh, there is something so creepy about someone who is ALWAYS grinning.

Also, how much hair gel does Daleiden use? He looks like a GQ reject.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:23:26am

re: #26 Kragar

Well, that was a fun call.

“The doctor wants to double check a few things about your test results, so we want you to schedule a consultation with an oncologist.”

Mother fucker.

Do. Not. Freak. After a CAT scan I had the guy reading the scan decided a couple of little spots on my liver were metastatic disease and OMG stage 4 I’m gonna die. The oncologist said “no reason to come to that conclusion at this point” and he was right. Another test and I was all clear. That was 5 years ago.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:26:42am
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retired cynic  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:26:48am

re: #37 allegro

Yes, I went through a summer where they found ‘things’ in my breasts, and I had biopsies, and then they found ‘things’ in my other female parts, and it all ended up being nothing. But I spent all summer in testing, feeling stressed.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:26:58am
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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:27:02am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Adults and children braving windy weather to support David Daleiden.

OMG—they braved windy weather! Where are their martyr cookies?

(The Houston weather page I just looked at said it was 58 degrees, sunny, winds at 16 mph.)

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nines09  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:27:47am

re: #37 allegro

Do. Not. Freak. After a CAT scan I had the guy reading the scan decided a couple of little spots on my liver were metastatic disease and OMG stage 4 I’m gonna die. The oncologist said “no reason to come to that conclusion at this point” and he was right. Another test and I was all clear. That was 5 years ago.

Absolutely truth. I’ve had quite a few false alarms and it is no fun. Stay positive and think of it as at least they are looking deeper. Better than no response at all. Stay positive.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:28:07am

re: #41 BeachDem

I just went for my usual noon walk by the bayou; it was windy, but it got warm enough for no windbreaker.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:29:07am

re: #33 WhatEVs

But the D.A.’s Office didn’t stop there.

“We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast,” said [Devon] Anderson, a Republican. “As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case.”

In a truly surprising move, the Grand Jury investigating David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt’s accusations against Planned Parenthood found probable cause to indict Daleiden and Merritt instead. Both were indicted for the second degree felony offense of Tampering with a Governmental Record and Daleiden picked up an additional misdemeanor charge of attempting to buy a human organ.

Damn liberal Democrat party people in Harris County, TX.
/

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:30:50am

re: #37 allegro

Do. Not. Freak. After a CAT scan I had the guy reading the scan decided a couple of little spots on my liver were metastatic disease and OMG stage 4 I’m gonna die. The oncologist said “no reason to come to that conclusion at this point” and he was right. Another test and I was all clear. That was 5 years ago.

I’m not freaking, I’m just worried how much all these damn specialists and consults are going to fucking cost me before I get a fucking answer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:31:05am

gaaaaaaahhhhhh

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:31:23am

re: #33 WhatEVs

Yikes, that looks like an interesting post and comment thread, but white text on a black background gives me hallucinations.

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Alephnaught  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:31:53am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this hot mess from the Rage Furby:

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His “source” for this is whack job Dr. David Manning of the Atlah World Missionary Church. Chuck’s finally finding his true level.

Heh, that would be the Atlah World Missionary Church that’s going to go up for auction, as Mr Manning has not been playing his bills.

Even better, a fundraising campaign was launched by the Ali Forney Centre (Which cares for LGTBI homeless youth in Harlem ) to get the money to buy the property- and at the time of writing, it’s already raised 87% of the target amount in just a week.

Mr Manning is not too pleased- to say the least.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:32:51am

Manning wants to be the new Fred Phelps.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:33:12am

I enjoy the displeasure of bigoted charlatan preachers.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:33:41am

re: #43 jaunte

I just went for my usual noon walk by the bayou; it was windy, but it got warm enough for no windbreaker.

If you’d been carrying a “PP Sells Baby Parts” sign, you would be awarded a martyr cookie.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:33:52am

re: #33 WhatEVs

This is good:

Make no mistake about this, Devon Anderson is about as pro-life as they come. I’ve known her for a little over 15 years and her personal beliefs very much align with the Republican Party. No one could ever accuse her of being a dreaded R.I.N.O. I’ve seen her give speeches at Republican functions that would make Ronald Reagan pale in comparison. She doubtlessly knew this would not sit well with her party, but she proceeded with integrity.

Governor Abbott, on the other hand, was a little less dignified.

“Nothing about today’s announcement in Harris County impacts the state’s ongoing investigation,” Abbott said.

Really? Nothing? Your two star witnesses in this case just got indicted for Tampering with Evidence and that doesn’t impact your investigation, Greg? Didn’t you used to be Attorney General? As a trial lawyer, I gotta tell ya, that’s kind of a big kick in the crotch from the old evidentiary standpoint.

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No Depression  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:34:14am

Just read a news story about another lawsuit being filed by the Thomas Moore Society alleging that La Plata High School in Southern MD is “indoctrinating” students into Islam on behalf of some wingnut ex-marine who objected to his daughter learning about Islam. Which is absolutely ridiculous, considering how Southern MD is super-rural. And of course all the right-wing and Christian websites are eating this shit up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:34:37am

re: #52 jaunte

This is good:

Really? Nothing? Your two star witnesses in this case just got indicted for Tampering with Evidence and that doesn’t impact your investigation, Greg? Didn’t you used to be Attorney General? As a trial lawyer, I gotta tell ya, that’s kind of a big kick in the crotch from the old evidentiary standpoint.

Ouch and this is coming from a Republican.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:34:40am
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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:34:41am

re: #26 Kragar

re: #42 nines09

Absolutely truth. I’ve had quite a few false alarms and it is no fun. Stay positive and think of it as at least they are looking deeper. Better than no response at all. Stay positive.

Likewise, I had a PAP come back bad and it freaked me out. I had retests done every six months for two years and it never presented itself again.

I’d say don’t freak out but I know how hard that is. But until you know more, hang in there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:35:37am

re: #53 No Depression

Just read a news story about another lawsuit being filed by the Thomas Moore Society alleging that La Plata High School in Southern MD is “indoctrinating” students into Islam on behalf of some wingnut ex-marine who objected to his daughter learning about Islam. Which is absolutely ridiculous, considering how Southern MD is super-rural. And of course all the right-wing and Christian websites are eating this shit up.

I imagine the “indoctrinating” this jackass is whining about is actually teaching the tenets of Islam. We learned about the basic tenets of Islam but we also did with Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism. These people are such assholes.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:35:50am

re: #54 HappyWarrior

And the closing:

Things like Abbott’s boneheaded statement and The Federalist’s lame attempt at a smear campaign are what make me feel so very alienated from the Party I grew up in. That level of vitriol and intellectual dishonesty is a far cry from the values I was brought up to respect. Doing the right thing in the face of dire consequences is a much more admirable character trait. That’s what true public service is about.

Today, Devon Anderson and her prosecutors at the District Attorney’s Office reminded me of that.

And for that, I am profoundly grateful.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:36:14am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m gonna miss Biden. Probably one of the best VPs ever and one of the best people ever too.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:36:28am

re: #53 No Depression

Just read a news story about another lawsuit being filed by the Thomas Moore Society alleging that La Plata High School in Southern MD is “indoctrinating” students into Islam on behalf of some wingnut ex-marine who objected to his daughter learning about Islam. Which is absolutely ridiculous, considering how Southern MD is super-rural. And of course all the right-wing and Christian websites are eating this shit up.

That’s where the radical Islam indoctrination starts, in regular Merica, against real Muricans.

/

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:36:34am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Daledien doesn’t give a shit about babies. He wants to control women.

Exactly. I still think this old slogan captures the public policy abortion ‘debate’ in the US perfectly:

“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”.

Bodily autonomy is remarkably close to 100% in this culture. Blood donations are voluntary. Organ and tissue donations from the living or the dead must be specifically authorized by the donor. It is unthinkable to make any of these compulsory, and arguments to the effect that such compulsion would save lives aren’t going to be take seriously by anyone.

The only real exception to 100% bodily autonomy is the forced pregnancy crusade of the anti-choicers. So in a real sense they are arguing for giving greater rights to a corpse than to a pregnant woman.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:37:39am

re: #58 jaunte

Things like Abbott’s boneheaded statement and The Federalist’s lame attempt at a smear campaign

The Federalist leading a smear campaign? You don’t say.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:37:47am

re: #58 jaunte

And the closing:

The problem is their party now disdains public service.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:38:06am

re: #61 EPR-radar

Exactly. I still think this old slogan captures the public policy abortion ‘debate’ in the US perfectly:

“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”.

Bodily autonomy is remarkably close to 100% in this culture. Blood donations are voluntary. Organ and tissue donations from the living or the dead must be specifically authorized by the donor. It is unthinkable to make any of these compulsory, and arguments to the effect that such compulsion would save lives aren’t going to be take seriously by anyone.

The only real exception to 100% bodily autonomy is the forced pregnancy crusade of the anti-choicers. So in a real sense they are arguing for giving greater rights to a corpse than to a pregnant woman.

If men could get pregnant, we wouldn’t see shaming for sure.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:41:39am

Also, how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT take a deal for probation??

His lawyers really are terrible.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:42:56am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT take a deal for probation??

His lawyers really are terrible.

“We trust in the power of the Almighty to protect us!”

Suckers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:43:16am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT take a deal for probation??

His lawyers really are terrible.

Really stupid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:43:32am

Saving everybody a click:

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders will square off Thursday night for the last time before the New Hampshire primary next week.

The debate will air live on MSNBC at 9 p.m. Eastern and will be live streamed at nbcnews.com and msnbc.com.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:43:33am

Of course, if he ends up going to jail, he’ll cry that he’s a political prisoner.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:44:15am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Of course, if he ends up going to jail, he’ll cry that he’s a political prisoner.

Its Win-Win.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:44:46am

re: #70 Kragar

Its Win-Win.

Yep Davey wants to get his martyr on and it’s very easy with that crowd.

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qubit2020  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:44:47am

OT - For those who are interested, I found a great series on Netflix streaming - “Occupied”. It’s set in the near future. Norway has a Thorium reactor technology that enables them to go “green” and shut down their North Sea oil fields. This does not go over well with Russia the EU - who still needs the output.
It must be made in Norway (subtitled). It’s a great departure from the usual Hollywood fare. I think it’s as good or better than “Luther”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:45:24am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Of course, if he ends up going to jail, he’ll cry that he’s a political prisoner.

Which may be what he wants because he can grift more that way…

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:46:47am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT take a deal for probation??

His lawyers really are terrible.

They’re not actually working for him.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:47:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:47:22am

re: #74 jaunte

They’re not actually working for him.

^^truth^^
They are only in it to grift funds for themselves.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:47:35am

re: #72 qubit2020

I’ve come to the conclusion that Canada is the current Hollywood of Sci-fi TV.

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Alephnaught  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:48:11am

re: #61 EPR-radar

Exactly. I still think this old slogan captures the public policy abortion ‘debate’ in the US perfectly:

“If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”.

Here’s an actual UK advert from 1970, by Saatchi & Saatchi. It was originally just meant for doctor’s waiting rooms, but got wider coverage, and even ended up in Time magazine.

“Would you be more careful…?”
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:48:33am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

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He really stepped into it with that comment. That’s why you don’t do that shit.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:48:57am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, how fucking stupid do you have to be to NOT take a deal for probation??

His lawyers really are terrible.

You’re talking about TX, though. You may have a jury that feels that PP does sell babby paartz. He wants his day in court as much as Bundy does.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:49:42am

re: #72 qubit2020

OT - For those who are interested, I found a great series on Netflix streaming - “Occupied”. …

I saved it to my queue a couple weeks ago, but haven’t gotten around to it yet. Still haven’t started Jessica Jones yet either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:50:17am
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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:50:45am

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:52:40am

I find it kinda perplexing that faking a drivers license is a felony and trying to buy a human organ is a misdemeanor.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:54:02am

re: #84 allegro

I find it kinda perplexing that faking a drivers license is a felony and trying to buy a human organ is a misdemeanor.

We wouldn’t want the wealthy sick to get into real trouble for jumping the line.

//

Actually, I have no idea why the penalty is so low.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:54:21am

re: #77 Kragar

I’ve come to the conclusion that Canada is the current Hollywood of Sci-fi TV.

You’re welcome. :P

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:56:39am

re: #84 allegro

I find it kinda perplexing that faking a drivers license is a felony and trying to buy a human organ is a misdemeanor.

Ths is in the same country where it’s harder to buy a pack of Sudafed than an assault weapon.

Priorities, priorities…

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:57:09am

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re welcome. :P

Been watching “Dark Matter” the last couple of days.

Dark Matter Scene S01E03 - His gun isn’t loaded - HD

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 4, 2016 • 11:57:24am

Off-topic, but needing to vent in a place where it won’t boomerang on me:

Clients still haven’t paid for work done last year. Paying projects for this year keep getting pushed a month. Stuck in that old familiar “trough” of Jan-Mar, where the business is running on fumes, and all seems lost. Only this time, it’s much, much worse. The safety margin we used to have got eaten up late last year, and right now, we are staring total disaster in the face. As in, selling most of our shit and moving into a much, much smaller space.

10 years of building up a business are about to go down the drain in the next few weeks, if some magic rabbit doesn’t pop out of a hat.

Really freaking out here.

Thanks for your (virtual) attention.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:00:18pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Sorry to hear that man, I’ll keep you in my prayers and thoughts.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:01:17pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Saving everybody a click:

Town Hall last night and a Debate tonight? That’s a packed schedule.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:02:51pm

re: #91 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Town Hall last night and a Debate tonight? That’s a packed schedule.

The DNC actually realizes people are just now getting into the election, rather than frontloading all their events 6 months before the 1st primary.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:07:50pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Not sure of your relationship with your clients, but I handle receivables by just calling, calling, calling, calling.

I don’t give a shit & they get tired of me.

The clients that are slow pay don’t come back anyway. They look for a new target.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:10:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:13:19pm

I missed seeing this yesterday:

A controversial bill signed into law this afternoon by Gov. Chris Christie would allow for fast-tracking the privatization of many public water systems in New Jersey.

The Water Infrastructure Protection Act removes the public vote requirement to sell water systems throughout the state under emergency conditions that many systems currently meet.

The sponsors of the bill tout it as a way to get desperately-needed investment into water systems that have been neglected to the breaking point by government owners. The emergent conditions that would allow for a fast-track sale include the location of the system within a critical water area, and it being deficient in drinkability or pressure, among others.

Opponents warn that it is an attempt to turn private profits off public infrastructure at the expense of taxpayers — who themselves will end up paying for the purchase prices with increased rates.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:13:22pm

Great article on right wing extremists.

newsweek.com

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:15:34pm

Obama’s proposal will go nowhere. Not with this GOP, which is incapable to addressing crumbling infrastructure and the dire needs we have to pay for this stuff. Instead, the GOP will propose privatizing stuff, ignoring the costs, and the repercussions when privatization fails miserably.

Heck, the GOP is pushing to privatize parts of the FAA. That will not end well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:17:51pm
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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:18:52pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

^^truth^^
They are only in it to grift funds for themselves.

And I sense that video boy doesn’t give a crap about babies or women either way, and is also in it for the grift.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:21:29pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I should care about this because??

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:23:20pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Off-topic, but needing to vent in a place where it won’t boomerang on me:

Clients still haven’t paid for work done last year. Paying projects for this year keep getting pushed a month. Stuck in that old familiar “trough” of Jan-Mar, where the business is running on fumes, and all seems lost. Only this time, it’s much, much worse. The safety margin we used to have got eaten up late last year, and right now, we are staring total disaster in the face. As in, selling most of our shit and moving into a much, much smaller space.

10 years of building up a business are about to go down the drain in the next few weeks, if some magic rabbit doesn’t pop out of a hat.

Really freaking out here.

Thanks for your (virtual) attention.

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danarchy  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:23:52pm

re: #92 Kragar

The DNC actually realizes people are just now getting into the election, rather than frontloading all their events 6 months before the 1st primary.

I thought these were sort of forced on the DNC by the candidates themselves?

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:29:17pm

re: #102 danarchy

I thought these were sort of forced on the DNC by the candidates themselves?

Well, that too. ;)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:29:22pm
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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:29:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:31:56pm

Good grief. The comments for this excellent article by Kurt Eichenwald are just packed with right wing loons.

newsweek.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:32:49pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Good grief. The comments for this excellent article by Kurt Eichenwald are just packed with right wing loons.

newsweek.com

Swarm, swarm, SWARM!!

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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:34:28pm

re: #105 Kragar

Good.

The government shouldn’t be required to pay for the damages caused by Y’all Qaeda. Let those goobers foot the bill.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:34:59pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

And how exactly does Obama going to a mosque “divide” Americans, Mr. Rubio?

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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:35:53pm

re: #109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And how exactly does Obama going to a mosque “divide” Americans, Mr. Rubio?

Because it makes Republicans feel bad.

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:36:16pm

re: #26 Kragar

Well, that was a fun call.

“The doctor wants to double check a few things about your test results, so we want you to schedule a consultation with an oncologist.”

Mother fucker.

Yikes. Hoping for the best.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:51:16pm

re: #96 WhatEVs

Great article on right wing extremists.

newsweek.com

Thanks for the link! I am greatly relieved that a mainstream news outlet has finally deigned to report about the dangerous right-wing fringe groups risking alienating conservative readers. Remember just a few years ago a government report detailing the recruitment of ex-military for violent militias was walked back after conservative poutrage.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:51:55pm
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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:53:20pm

re: #109 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And how exactly does Obama going to a mosque “divide” Americans, Mr. Rubio?

jewdayo-crisshchin valves!!11! NONE OF THIS FURRINER RELIGIONISTS CARP1!

Or something…

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:53:42pm

re: #112 KerFuFFler

Thanks for the link! I am greatly relieved that a mainstream news outlet has finally deigned to report about the dangerous right-wing fringe groups risking alienating conservative readers. Remember just a few years ago a government report detailing the recruitment of ex-military for violent militias was walked back after conservative poutrage.

I remember that well. I think it can be summarized as the Republican party providing aid and comfort to its violent and lunatic fringe by getting the report on RWNJ extremism from the W Bush era department of Homeland Security suppressed.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:55:12pm

re: #114 KGxvi

jewdayo-crisshchin valves!!11! NONE OF THIS FURRINER RELIGIONISTS CARP1!

Or something…

Obama is sayin Merica discriminates against Muslims well it should against radical Islams so why is Obama dividing us Americans and here is my schedule of church visits where I’ll tell Christian patriot Americans how they’re being discriminated against.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:56:04pm
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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:57:04pm

You’re welcome:

trumpdonald.org

:)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 12:59:06pm
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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:00:07pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I’ve been pointing out to RWNJs that the same Coptic Christians that ISIS are slaughtering in the Middle East also separate their congregations by gender.

IIRC, Orthodox synagogues are partitioned as well, but I don’t know that for sure.

It’s not exclusive to Muslims.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:00:08pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:00:11pm

It’s a pointless and moronic comparison anyway. Obama is going and talking with Muslims, not asking them to help him set policy.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:02:43pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:03:52pm

My thesis on evolution in schools and religious right political organizing (which includes the 2004 Dover, Pa incident with the far right Thomas Moore Society) is up at Academia.edu.

Thesis:

In reply to the perceived forces of secular science, many conservative Christians have organized through their churches, listened to lectures from purported “Creation Scientists” and fought for control of textbook review boards and local school boards. Using these community organizing to control schools and textbooks is vital to Creationist Christians who are convinced that science has substituted a utilitarian, mechanistic history of the world in place of their conviction that Mankind was created in Gods’ image and needs Gods’ grace for sin. By restoring Creationism its rightful place in school instruction, Creationists feel they can also restore America to her rightful place with God. However, instead of building partnerships between parents of disparate backgrounds, schools and non governmental organizations in a constructive engagement, creationist Christians have destructively partnered with politicians and well funded political action groups to make enemies of neighbors and demonize opponents in communities.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:04:23pm

re: #120 Lidane

Orthodox Jewish congregations do segregate men from women. Either through entirely separate seating (different location entirely, like a balcony), or the sanctuary is divided with a mechitza (partition).

Heck, the Western Wall (Kotel) was long divided between a men’s section and a women’s section*. Only this past week was it decided to establish a third area where men and women could pray jointly.

The women’s demands were anathema to Israel’s ultra-Orthodox religious establishment, which manages the site. The rules governing worship - set by the Western Wall rabbi, Shmuel Rabinowitz - forbade men and women from praying together. A small section of the wall is sectioned off for women.

Women of the Wall also demanded an end to ultra-orthodox bans on women praying aloud, reading from the Torah and wearing traditional prayer shawls, known as tallit.

Thousands of Jews pray every day at the site, the last remnant of the retaining wall of the Temple Mount, pushing scraps of paper bearing handwritten prayers into the cracks between the ancient stones. The site also attracts thousands of tourists and international dignitaries, with Pope Francis, Barack Obama and Madonna among global figures who have prayed at the wall.

The new section for non-Orthodox mixed gender prayer will double the size and make permanent an area designated under a temporary compromise reached in 2013 after Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu ordered a solution to be found to the dispute. The expanded area, costing £6m, will accommodate 1,200 worshippers and be officially registered in Israel’s Law of Holy Sites. It will be administered by government officials.

* The women’s section at the Kotel is itself a recent development (notably after the 1967 Six Day War and subsequent Israeli decision to establish and expand the plaza adjacent to the Western Wall to allow prayer.

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:08:18pm

You guys, I’ve been spending my morning arguing with Berniebots at Daily Kos. They are in complete epistemic closure about Hillary Clinton. They consider it self-evident that Hillary is a tool of the oligarchy, and that even though she was the 11th most liberal senator during her time there, she’s actually a crypto fascist Republican and anyone who sees it differently is a fool, a moron, a dolt, a PHONY LIBERAL.

Honestly, it’s like talking with Teabaggers. I know that they don’t represent the country, but it bugs me to no end that both parties are infested with smug, stupid ideologues who view reality through a filter of propaganda and conspiracy theory nonsense.

/rant

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:08:19pm

The Early Church Tradition of Separate Seating: Ancient Practice, Not a Cultural Anomaly

The practice of separate seating has nothing to do with culture and has everything to do with maintaining a practice that has been around since even before the early Church, irrespective of culture, meant to inhibit the natural tendency to be distracted around members of the opposite sex, so as to preserve modesty and attention during worship.

This seating arrangement has been the norm in Jewish worship services for thousands of years, since before Christianity began until the present. There is even a specific physical partition found in synagogues, known as the mechitza, which is designed to separate the sexes. The Talmud implies that such separation was how the Israelites stood while receiving the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai (PdRE 41). The Mishnah states that the women’s court was eventually “surrounded with a balcony so that women could look on from above while men were below, lest they mix together” (Mid 2:5).

In the early Church, no matter what your background was, and no matter where you lived (e.g., St. Cyril was from Jerusalem, St. Augustine lived in Roman North Africa, St. John Chrysostom was of Greco-Syrian parents and preached in the Byzantine capital), separate seating was the accepted practice, with good reason: to comply with our Lord’s commandment of chastity and warning that a person who simply “looks at a woman to desire her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:10:37pm

re: #123 Single-handed sailor

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Oh, noes! Terrorist fist jabs!
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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:11:03pm

re: #126 Unabogie

You guys, I’ve been spending my morning arguing with Berniebots at Daily Kos. They are in complete epistemic closure about Hillary Clinton. They consider it self-evident that Hillary is a tool of the oligarchy, and that even though she was the 11th most liberal senator during her time there, she’s actually a crypto fascist Republican and anyone who sees it differently is a fool, a moron, a dolt, a PHONY LIBERAL.

And then anyone even slightly sympathetic to the latter viewpoint shrugs and leaves, thus tightening the spiral…

Self-radicalization happens to pretty much everybody with a low barrier to entry and a low cost of departure.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:11:59pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:12:08pm

From the Silver Linings Dept.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:13:11pm

re: #131 De Kolta Chair

From the Silver Linings Dept.

Jim Gilmore cannot be stopped.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:13:36pm

re: #126 Unabogie

You guys, I’ve been spending my morning arguing with Berniebots at Daily Kos. They are in complete epistemic closure about Hillary Clinton. They consider it self-evident that Hillary is a tool of the oligarchy, and that even though she was the 11th most liberal senator during her time there, she’s actually a crypto fascist Republican and anyone who sees it differently is a fool, a moron, a dolt, a PHONY LIBERAL.

Honestly, it’s like talking with Teabaggers. I know that they don’t represent the country, but it bugs me to no end that both parties are infested with smug, stupid ideologues who view reality through a filter of propaganda and conspiracy theory nonsense.

/rant

I have a brother like that. Said he wouldn’t vote for Hillary even if it meant that Donald Trump became President. Claimed he couldn’t see daylight between HRC and Trump.

I hope that’s not really true. He’s a pompous windbag who often says things for effect.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:15:26pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

This tool blocked me, then continued to rant at me.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:15:29pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

I have a brother like that. Said he wouldn’t vote for Hillary even if it meant that Donald Trump became President. Claimed he couldn’t see daylight between HRC and Trump.

I hope that’s not really true. He’s a pompous windbag who often says things for effect.

I had a (much weaker) “why even bother” feeling regarding a hypothetical HRC nomination in 2008. It’s absolutely fascinating to watch it from the other side.

I dunno if I matured a bit, or if Clinton moved left, or something else.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:15:54pm

re: #132 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Jim Gilmore cannot be stopped.

To quote from The Tick’s Midnight Bomber Who Bombs at Midnight, “AN OBJECT AT REST CANNOT BE STOPPED!”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:17:02pm

I don’t really care if someone blocks me (especially not an idiot like that), but it’s really an asshole move to keep ranting at me after they do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:17:47pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I don’t really care if someone blocks me (especially not an idiot like that), but it’s really an asshole move to keep ranting at me after they do.

That’s why they are assholes.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:18:02pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I don’t really care if someone blocks me (especially not an idiot like that), but it’s really an asshole move to keep ranting at me after they do.

That is a new one on me.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:19:01pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

This tool blocked me, then continued to rant at me.

Profiles in courage.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:19:17pm

re: #126 Unabogie

You guys, I’ve been spending my morning arguing with Berniebots at Daily Kos. They are in complete epistemic closure about Hillary Clinton. They consider it self-evident that Hillary is a tool of the oligarchy, and that even though she was the 11th most liberal senator during her time there, she’s actually a crypto fascist Republican and anyone who sees it differently is a fool, a moron, a dolt, a PHONY LIBERAL.

Honestly, it’s like talking with Teabaggers. I know that they don’t represent the country, but it bugs me to no end that both parties are infested with smug, stupid ideologues who view reality through a filter of propaganda and conspiracy theory nonsense.

/rant

I’m not going there (DK), but was it about the “secret meetings?” There was a Nader piece about it in our local paper today. He’s the granddaddy of fucking things up.

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Snarknado!  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:19:45pm

re: #26 Kragar

To add to the false alarm narratives, an MRI of my spine found masses in my thyroid. Biopsy, two years of followup ultrasounds, I’m still here. That was around 1995.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:19:49pm

Look at those cute little terrorists waiting to do a terrorist fist bump with the sekrit Muslim Kenyan!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:22:22pm

Okay I grant you that thing about my church harboring pedophiles but aren’t Muslims like REALLY bad?!?!

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:22:35pm

Every day there’s a new development about Flint - and each one makes the GOP and Gov Snyder and his lackeys look even worse.

Today’s news? They knew or had reason to know of the Flint River - Legionnaire’s Disease link.

Those deaths are on Snyder. Entirely preventable - but for Snyder’s emergency manager forcing Flint to change water sources, this would not have happened.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:24:00pm

re: #142 Snarknado!

To add to the false alarm narratives, an MRI of my spine found masses in my thyroid. Biopsy, two years of followup ultrasounds, I’m still here. That was around 1995.

I remember getting an ultrasound 3 years ago and the tech making a remark about something being no big deal, which is the same thing the Doctor wants me to check out now.

I know its probably nothing, but I’m a compulsive worrier.

Looks like a I picked the wrong time to try to stay off my anxiety meds.

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Snarknado!  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:24:30pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Yikes, that looks like an interesting post and comment thread, but white text on a black background gives me hallucinations.

You can always copy it into a word processer. I used to do that a lot for psychedelic pages, which are out of style, thank heavens.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:25:03pm

Fake smile begins to crumple…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:25:18pm

re: #145 lawhawk

I’m wondering if at this point, it would be better to simply try to relocate the businesses and people in Flint to the heavily depopulated areas of Detroit.

How fixable are the water lines, I’ve heard it would be incredibly difficult.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:25:29pm

re: #135 Testy Toad T

I had a (much weaker) “why even bother” feeling regarding a hypothetical HRC nomination in 2008. It’s absolutely fascinating to watch it from the other side.

I dunno if I matured a bit, or if Clinton moved left, or something else.

Josh Marshall had an interesting take, from last night’s ‘Town Hall’. Bernie beats the drum for a political revolution he says is necessary for Liberals to achieve our goals, whereas Hillary points to the fragile nature of what we’ve achieved so far.

As a pragmatist, I’m more drawn to Hillary’s take. If it weren’t for the 2010 and 2014 midterms, and the GOP having been completely overwhelmed by their bugfuck nuts base, though, I’d probably be more inclined to swing for the fences like Bernie. But with a GOP Congress and probably still GOP Senate, losing the White House could mean losing a lot of what we’ve gained, not just since 2008, but since 1932.

Conversely, although the GOP was bad in 2008, we held the House and Senate, so a cautious pragmatist like Hillary was less appealing than a potentially transformative figure like Obama - who has been a cautious pragmatist, anyway.

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:27:59pm

re: #149 Ziggy_TARDIS

The service lines are easier to fix - there’s a way you can insert a plastic liner that would essentially encapsulate the lead to keep it from leaching in. Problem is that the integrity of the pipes has been permanently degraded - reducing the lifespan significantly.

So, liners would delay the inevitable replacement.

Once you get from the street to the house, those lines would all need to be replaced - because there’s a limit to the diameter liner you can thread in and 90 degree bends and the like.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:28:14pm

re: #145 lawhawk

Those deaths are on Snyder. Entirely preventable - but for Snyder’s emergency manager forcing Flint to change water sources, this would not have happened.

Not “preventable”.

Directly caused by.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:29:36pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

@goddamnedfrank @sactownhammer @Green_Footballs yeah but speaking in a mosque where segregation and hate speech take place daily is ok?
— Alex (@bjjgb72)

This is pretty rich considering the frequent wailing occurring in some Christian circles that “eventually” “soon” the government will not allow them to “speak freely and truthfully” on important subjects (the gay) because of “hate-speech” laws and other forms of religious persecution. Etc.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:30:01pm

Your daily “Holy shit…that senior editor at The American Conservative Rod Dreher wrote something offensive/crazy/bizarre/disingenuous/vaguely racist/all of the above.”

Rod is clutching his pearls since that those college liberals are teaching about racism in sports and advertising. It upsets the poor dear.

His argument is…something special. He even manages to work in the Archie comics and Gilligan’s Island! Not sure how the hell he does it, but it is a treasure I brought for all of us to enjoy while basking in the warm certitude that Rod cannot see race and all those damned liberals just won’t shut up about it.

The New York Times is reporting on “blunt discussions on campus” after last autumn’s racial unrest. At the University of Missouri, a professor teaching a mandatory “diversity” course asked his students to think about why the tennis star Maria Sharapova earns twice as much in product endorsements as Serena Williams, who is a much more accomplished athlete. Excerpt:

And then there was Dr. Brooks, a 43-year-old African-American who teaches “Race and Ethnic Relations” and challenged the students to think about race through the prism of sports. He offered a gentle explanation of the Williams/Sharapova discrepancy: “Maria is considered a beauty queen, but by what standards of beauty? Some people might just say, ‘Oh, well, she’s just prettier.’ Well, according to whom? This spells out how we see beauty in terms of race, this idea of femininity. Serena is often spoofed for her big butt. She’s seen as too muscular.”

By the standards of beauty of most of the people who buy products endorsed by female athletes, maybe? Because Serena Williams looks kind of like a man?

Why does race have to be brought into it? Would a company hire lithe Somali model Iman as a spokesmodel over a short, stocky white woman? You bet they would. Short, stocky Paul Giamatti is arguably a better actor than conventionally handsome Tom Cruise, but who sells more movie tickets? Why does the high school quarterback get all the girls, but not the class valedictorian? Why does good-hearted Betty suffer but rich bitch Veronica always come out ahead? Why Ginger and not Mary Ann?

Men at work Golf Clap Short

But wait…there’s more!

Those evil indoctrinating liberals must be resisted when they talk about income disparity for African Americans and cultural norms on beauty!

Learning how to live in untruth, how to keep a poker face in indoctrination sessions like this one without losing your mind or your self-respect, is a skill that will serve you well in corporate America.

Of course there really are good and necessary conversations to have about race, both on campus and in the workplace. There really is a lot to learn, on all sides. But in this atmosphere, it is far too dangerous to have them. If you say the “wrong” thing or ask the “wrong” question, and you may well make yourself a pariah. For the sake of self-preservation, pantomime participation, but don’t let the interrogators into your mind.

This is the real-life lesson these classes are teaching. Congratulations, liberals.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:31:16pm

re: #150 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say Obama swing for a lot of triples and settled for a lot of doubles. The ACA, going into Pakistan for bin Laden, and negotiations with Iran are pretty serious accomplishments that Republicans don’t want, and a lot of people would have been afraid to try.

But he was never going to tear things apart. Breaking up the banks and passing Single Payer would have been huge swings.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:32:21pm

I like it when people delete their own tweets to me after I’ve responded to them. I take it as an acknowledgement that they know they said some really stupid shit and are embarrassed by others seeing it in their timeline.

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nines09  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:32:40pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

I missed seeing this yesterday:

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That was missed by everybody and everything that should be paying attention. It’s the grand plan. Starve publicly owned utilities and then sell them to your buddies who jack up the price and answer to no one. Christie makes loan sharks blush.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:33:05pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Actually, Betty was apparently into bondage.

Fifty Shades of Archie and Betty (or, Betty gets kinky)
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:34:01pm

re: #155 Belafon

I’d say Obama swing for a lot of triples and settled for a lot of doubles. The ACA, going into Pakistan for bin Laden, and negotiations with Iran are pretty serious accomplishments that Republicans don’t want, and a lot of people would have been afraid to try.

But he was never going to tear things apart. Breaking up the banks and passing Single Payer would have been huge swings.

I don’t think a Hillary Clinton Presidency would have been that different from the Obama Presidency we’ve experienced. I’m not sure whether the Right would have gone quite so crazy, because I’m not sure whether they’re as sexist as they are racist, but perhaps we’ll find out, come 2017.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:34:21pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Your daily “Holy shit…that senior editor at The American Conservative Rod Dreher wrote something offensive/crazy/bizarre/disingenuous/vaguely racist/all of the above.”

Rod is clutching his pearls since that those college liberals are teaching about racism in sports and advertising. It upsets the poor dear.

His argument is…something special. He even manages to work in the Archie comics and Gilligan’s Island! Not sure how the hell he does it, but it is a treasure I brought for all of us to enjoy while basking in the warm certitude that Rod cannot see race and all those damned liberals just won’t shut up about it.

By the standards of beauty of most of the people who buy products endorsed by female athletes, maybe? Because Serena Williams looks kind of like a man?

Why does race have to be brought into it? Would a company hire lithe Somali model Iman as a spokesmodel over a short, stocky white woman? You bet they would. Short, stocky Paul Giamatti is arguably a better actor than conventionally handsome Tom Cruise, but who sells more movie tickets? Why does the high school quarterback get all the girls, but not the class valedictorian? Why does good-hearted Betty suffer but rich bitch Veronica always come out ahead? Why Ginger and not Mary Ann?

Men at work Golf Clap Short

When is Rod going to go Galt or Benedict or whatever he’s been promising?

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:34:22pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Short, stocky Paul Giamatti is arguably a better actor than conventionally handsome Tom Cruise, but who sells more movie tickets? Why does the high school quarterback get all the girls, but not the class valedictorian? Why does good-hearted Betty suffer but rich bitch Veronica always come out ahead? Why Ginger and not Mary Ann?

Paul Giamatti in Mission Impossible would have to be a very different movie. As for Mary Ann, I don’t know anyone who knows Gilligan’s Island that would have chosen Ginger. They even immortalized that in a beer commercial a few years ago.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:34:25pm

re: #77 Kragar

The Cdn dollar is currently about $0.70 US. It was like that about a decade and a half ago. There’s still a lot of infrastructure in place, studios and such, from that time.

So making movies and TV up here is a great deal for production companies.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:35:43pm
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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:35:47pm

re: #129 Testy Toad T

So far I’m hanging in there, doing my part in the War on Stupid.

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:36:16pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

I have a brother like that. Said he wouldn’t vote for Hillary even if it meant that Donald Trump became President. Claimed he couldn’t see daylight between HRC and Trump.

I hope that’s not really true. He’s a pompous windbag who often says things for effect.

The PUMAs of 2008 were equally as insufferable.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:36:37pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

Actually, Betty was apparently into bondage.

Image: Fifty Shades of Archie and Betty (or, Betty gets kinky)

Public bondage at that… Although I’m pretty sure the look on Veronica’s face says “honey, we did that last Tuesday…”

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:37:04pm

re: #162 Romantic Heretic

The Cdn dollar is currently about $0.70 US. It was like that about a decade and a half ago. There’s still a lot of infrastructure in place, studios and such, from that time.

So making movies and TV up here is a great deal for production companies.

Just off the top of my head we’ve got:

Ascension
Continuum
Haven
Helix
Dark Matter

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:37:50pm

re: #166 KGxvi

Public bondage at that… Although I’m pretty sure the look on Veronica’s face says “honey, we did that last Tuesday…”

Archie strikes me as probably being really into pegging.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:38:00pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

Actually, Betty was apparently into bondage.

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That comic cover is 15 kinds of amazing. Day glo colors, 60’s fashions and all the girls have Barbie Doll body proportions.

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:38:07pm

re: #141 Barefoot Grin

I’m not going there (DK), but was it about the “secret meetings?” There was a Nader piece about it in our local paper today. He’s the granddaddy of fucking things up.

No, not that in particular, just a never ending stream of DERP about how contributions == corruption, even though her stated views and voting record refutes that. I try to explain that although Bernie and Hillary are obvious not the same person, and Bernie is to the left of Hillary, that Hillary is in fact on the liberal end of the Democratic caucus. And yet they refuse to believe it. It’s almost pathological.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:38:08pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Because Serena Williams looks kind of like a man?

Really? She does? In what universe? Or is it that Rod wants his women pale and waiflike?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:38:47pm

re: #165 Unabogie

The PUMAs of 2008 were equally as insufferable.

I’m not entirely convinced there were any more PUMAs in 2008 than there are wild dodos today.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:39:10pm

re: #169 Aunty Entity Dragon

That comic cover is 15 kinds of amazing. Day glo colors, 60’s fashions and all the girls have Barbie Doll body proportions.

W H I T E P E O P L E

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:39:21pm

re: #170 Unabogie

No, not that in particular, just a never ending stream of DERP about how contributions == corruption, even though her stated views and voting record refutes that. I try to explain that although Bernie and Hillary are obvious not the same person, and Bernie is to the left of Hillary, that Hillary is in fact on the liberal end of the Democratic caucus. And yet they refuse to believe it. It’s almost pathological.

Yeah, I’m starting to come around.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:39:50pm

re: #173 Testy Toad T

W H I T E P E O P L E

Hey, it was the 60s. Everybody was white then.
/////

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:40:59pm

re: #171 Blind Frog Belly White

Really? She does? In what universe? Or is it that Rod wants his women pale and waiflike?

Last year, haters tried to start the idea that Serena looked like a man. JK Rowling smacked that one down pretty hard. Rod just can’t let go.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:41:22pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Swarm, swarm, SWARM!!

Zerg rush.

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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:41:29pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Catholic Church is disgusting.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:42:53pm

re: #157 nines09

That was missed by everybody and everything that should be paying attention. It’s the grand plan. Starve publicly owned utilities and then sell them to your buddies who jack up the price and answer to no one. Christie makes loan sharks blush.

I believe that this scam was the basic motive for the Flint water crimes perpetrated by Snyder et al. The Detroit water system was the target, and removing Flint from that system as a customer is part of the starvation process.

After all, Republicans aren’t going to go to the bother of poisoning a bunch of poor people unless there is something in it for the Republicans.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:43:43pm

re: #178 plansbandc

The Catholic Church is disgusting.

And offers nothing to those women, except eternal damnation.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:44:10pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

And offers nothing to those women, except eternal damnation.

Well, and free wine.

///

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Snarknado!  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:44:43pm

re: #146 Kragar

I remember getting an ultrasound 3 years ago and the tech making a remark about something being no big deal, which is the same thing the Doctor wants me to check out now.

I know its probably nothing, but I’m a compulsive worrier.

Looks like a I picked the wrong time to try to stay off my anxiety meds.

Of course we all hope it’s nothing, but the reason for all those tests (I’m about due for another colonoscopy, ugh) is to catch stuff while they can still do something about it.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:44:49pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Williams/Sharapovia discussion went on a while back. I forget if it was here or somewhere else. But I think there were a few plausible reasons for the difference. But race was definitely one of the factors considered - especially since Serena is arguably the best women’s tennis player of all time. Anyway, to answer Dreher’s question of why race has to be brought up at all: because, history has a way of showing that race matters even if it makes you uncomfortable, and if you want to deal with the real world, you have to consider things that will make you uncomfortable.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:45:20pm

re: #181 Testy Toad T

Well, and free wine.

///

Yeah, but you have to stay for the whole time share spiel

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:45:31pm

re: #181 Testy Toad T

Well, and free wine.

///

If she’s quicker than the altar boys…

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:45:41pm

re: #176 Belafon

Last year, haters tried to start the idea that Serena looked like a man. JK Rowling smacked that one down pretty hard. Rod just can’t let go.

If you look at the pictures he has up, the shot of Serena shows her in a tennis event with her toned muscles and sweat etc very obviously showing while Maria Sharapova is in an evening gown.

Nothing dishonest at all…nope.

White girls get the money because Charles Murray(The Bell Curve author and a Dreher favorite, because of course!) sez this is a meritocracy and pretty white girls have the merit.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:47:26pm

re: #177 Romantic Heretic

Easily dealt with

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:48:45pm

re: #187 Kragar

Easily dealt with

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:48:53pm

re: #174 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I’m starting to come around.

Me too. I was leaning Bernie at first, but when I read more about Hillary and hear her speak, and I compare it to Bernie, I come away with the inescapable conclusion that she’s just more ready for the job. And I think the Berniebots know this too, which is why instead of claiming that Bernie is more qualified than Hillary, they’re going right for the ad hominem attacks and are trying to paint her as some sort of inhuman monster.

Is she perfect? Hell no.

Do I like all of her ideas? Hell no.

Is she the caricature they’re painting over at DK? Please. It’s nonsense.

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gocart mozart  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:49:41pm

I wonder if Rubio thinks this President’s words were also divisive:

If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good government, to become a great and happy people.

The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy — a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.

It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

… May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants — while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:50:06pm

re: #186 Aunty Entity Dragon

Why am I not surprised that Dreher is a fan of the odious Charles Murray.

The only useful thing that Charles Murray has done is to enable racists to expose themselves as such every time they uncritically cite the Bell Curve.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:50:40pm
If you need something to wipe your ass with, print this and apply generously.
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:50:40pm

re: #187 Kragar

A multi melta seems a bit extreme, no?

Oh…I missed the little flame igniters on the side. A heavy flamer it is. My bad.

My favorite tool for chasing Tau out of my city.

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:53:44pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, it was the 60s. Everybody was white then.
/////

In the mid-60s, the first black student in my high school was named White.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:54:21pm

re: #188 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Battle Sister in the Progenium Ciaphis Cain ended up retiring to was the greatest ever. A whiskey drinking, poker playing Mother Superior.

to paraphrase: “Her order took vows of poverty and obedience, celibacy wasn’t on the list.”

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Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:54:33pm

Dog Before Counrty!

Ted Cruz Super PAC Releases New Ad That Misspells the Word “Country”
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:55:53pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Dog Before Counrty!

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He’s welcome to do that. I like my country just fine, thanks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:56:23pm

re: #145 lawhawk

Every day there’s a new development about Flint - and each one makes the GOP and Gov Snyder and his lackeys look even worse.

Today’s news? They knew or had reason to know of the Flint River - Legionnaire’s Disease link.

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Those deaths are on Snyder. Entirely preventable - but for Snyder’s emergency manager forcing Flint to change water sources, this would not have happened.

2.5x as many victims as Benghazi!
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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:56:29pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:57:04pm

re: #195 Kragar

The Battle Sister in the Progenium Ciaphis Cain ended up retiring to was the greatest ever. A whiskey drinking, poker playing Mother Superior.

to paraphrase: “Her order took vows of poverty and obedience, celibacy wasn’t on the list.”

Awesome. I’m taking that one for my sisters battleforce.

My kid was just checking out your picture. He thought she was a kick-ass inquisitor at first. Probably the cigar :)

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:57:10pm

Everything is nothing more than Reality TV…

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:57:22pm

re: #96 WhatEVs

Excellent article. I applaud their courage because now Newsweek has put themselves in the wingnut’s crosshairs.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:57:37pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Take the US back to a theocratic and white nationalist utopia that never really existed?

No thanks, Mr. Cruz.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:58:06pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Dog Before Counrty!

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Hopefully Cruz we can keep our Country away from you Republicans.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:58:13pm

re: #4 allegro

I’m sad for being downwind of the courthouse in Harris Co and thus potentially subjected to breathing the same air as this fuckwit and his lawyers.

I worked for years across the street from that courthouse for the county. I bet the stench was unbearable.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 1:59:17pm

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

That image is just begging for some creative editing. The dog poo image goes second from the left, the bird crap on the far right etc.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:00:04pm

re: #206 EPR-radar

That image is just begging for some creative editing. The dog poo image goes second from the left, the bird crap on the far right etc.

Offal to the left, moose turds to the right…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:00:26pm

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

Awesome. I’m stealing borrowing that image.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:02:36pm

I’ve an internet friend that fashions herself a libertarian, though she’s a devout pro-life Catholic. She writes for a few conservative websites and used to practice law. She is often my barometer for stuff like this. She seems to think it’s a good thing that Daleiden isn’t taking a deal because it means they get to do discovery on Planned Parenthood for the trafficking charges. The fact that every investigation has found no wrong doing on the part of Planned Parenthood seems to escape her. Which is a shame, because she’s usually smarter.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:03:33pm

re: #200 Aunty Entity Dragon

Awesome. I’m taking that one for my sisters battleforce.

My kid was just checking out your picture. He thought she was a kick-ass inquisitor at first. Probably the cigar :)

You’ve got to check out the Cain books. My favorite series in the genre.

“Cain presumably died sometime in the first or second century of the 42nd Millennium, and remains the only person in the known galaxy to remain on the active duty roster of the Imperial Guard even after being buried with full military honours. This is the result of a confusion in the Departmento Munitorum during the First Siege of Perlia, in which Cain was listed as killed in action until some point after he rejoined his regiment at the campaign’s end. This pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain’s career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:03:40pm

re: #209 KGxvi

I’ve an internet friend that fashions herself a libertarian, though she’s a devout pro-life Catholic. She writes for a few conservative websites and used to practice law. She is often my barometer for stuff like this. She seems to think it’s a good thing that Daleiden isn’t taking a deal because it means they get to do discovery on Planned Parenthood for the trafficking charges. The fact that every investigation has found no wrong doing on the part of Planned Parenthood seems to escape her. Which is a shame, because she’s usually smarter.

So often partisanship blinds people.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:04:40pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

So often partisanship religion blinds people.

Also. Too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:05:04pm

re: #189 Unabogie

Me too. I was leaning Bernie at first, but when I read more about Hillary and hear her speak, and I compare it to Bernie, I come away with the inescapable conclusion that she’s just more ready for the job. And I think the Berniebots know this too, which is why instead of claiming that Bernie is more qualified than Hillary, they’re going right for the ad hominem attacks and are trying to paint her as some sort of inhuman monster.

Is she perfect? Hell no.

Do I like all of her ideas? Hell no.

Is she the caricature they’re painting over at DK? Please. It’s nonsense.

Absolutely. I mean the way you hear it there, Hillary Rodham Clinton has never once stood up for a progressive idea which is quite honestly a load of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:05:18pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Also. Too.

Yes, yes indeed.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:05:27pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Could have been worse:

Video

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japa21  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:06:38pm

re: #155 Belafon Yes, trying to break up the banks or going for single payer would have been big swings. They also would have resulted in pop-up outs and nothing would have gotten done.

Neither Dodd-Frank nor the ACA would have been passed.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:07:27pm

From De Kolta Chair’s Big Book of Adages:

When a conversation with a conspiracy peddler ends with them muttering “I’m just saying you shouldn’t believe everything you hear” you know you’ve won.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:07:32pm

re: #210 Kragar

You’ve got to check out the Cain books. My favorite series in the genre.

“Cain presumably died sometime in the first or second century of the 42nd Millennium, and remains the only person in the known galaxy to remain on the active duty roster of the Imperial Guard even after being buried with full military honours. This is the result of a confusion in the Departmento Munitorum during the First Siege of Perlia, in which Cain was listed as killed in action until some point after he rejoined his regiment at the campaign’s end. This pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain’s career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary.”

Will do! I have heard a lot about Cain and all of it was funny.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:08:59pm
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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:11:54pm

re: #218 Aunty Entity Dragon

Commissar Ciaphas Cain Quotes:

“I thought the acolytes of Khorne were supposed to be warriors, not a bunch of pansies.”
- to a Khorne Berserker, during the Chaos attack on Adumbria

“As I try to impress on the young whelps in my charge these days, it isn’t the scarlet sash and the fancy hat that makes you a commissar, it’s the way you wear them. The troops you serve with are never going to like you, but if you can get them to respect you that can be almost as good. Remember, you’re going to spend most of your career on a battlefield with them, and they’ve all got guns, so making them think you’re a liability is never going to be a very good idea.” - The Cain Archives

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:12:57pm

re: #210 Kragar

[snipped quote] This pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain’s career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary.”

Sounds like PC-speak for We buried him alive. /

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:13:08pm

I think the big difference between Camp Clinton and Camp Sanders is Camp Clinton would rather improve what we already have and sees that as a way to postively impact change. Camp Sanders’ position is to start all over. A good example of this is the health care debate between the two candidates. If I were starting a country, I’d probably go with what Sanders want but given the realities of America and our system, I find the Clinton approach more feasible. Of course, you say that to the wrong person and you get called a sell out or DINO.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:13:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:13:33pm

re: #209 KGxvi

I’ve an internet friend that fashions herself a libertarian, though she’s a devout pro-life Catholic. She writes for a few conservative websites and used to practice law. She is often my barometer for stuff like this. She seems to think it’s a good thing that Daleiden isn’t taking a deal because it means they get to do discovery on Planned Parenthood for the trafficking charges. The fact that every investigation has found no wrong doing on the part of Planned Parenthood seems to escape her. Which is a shame, because she’s usually smarter.

I don’t see how they even get to the point of discovery on Planned Parenthood unless the Judge allows them to mount a necessity defense. Given that the Grand Jury was convened to investigated PP and found nothing only the most wishful thinking could hope to unearth anything that would justify Daleiden’s actions. Especially given the fact that he undertook his fraud without any of the proof he thinks exists and hopes will exonerate him. Even if some proof emerges does the necessity defense even cover speculative actions like that?

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:14:26pm

re: #221 unproven innocence

[snipped quote] This pattern of returning alive after being declared dead occurred often enough during Cain’s career that the Munitorum made a special ruling that Ciaphas Cain is to never be considered dead, despite evidence to the contrary.”

Sounds like PC-speak for We buried him alive. /

That only occurred once.

Maybe twice…

Definitely not three times… yet.

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Botsplainer  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:15:33pm

re: #105 Kragar

On a congressional bill to assess refuge restoration costs to the militants, keep in mind that while I hate Y’All Quaeda as much (or more than) the next guy, I wonder how is this not a Bill of Attainder in every classic sense of the phrase?

Cost of repair is most appropriately handled as criminal restitution, anyway. For those who weren’t indicted, they can be sued for the repairs under theories related to trespass and conversion.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:15:41pm

re: #220 Kragar

“Remember, you’re going to spend most of your career on a battlefield with them, and they’ve all got guns, so making them think you’re a liability is never going to be a very good idea.”

cough cough Catachan regiments.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:16:27pm

Now that said as we did discuss last night, there are some fair points. I do feel HRC has too many Wall Street ties but that’s not the ultimate deal breaker for me. In an ideal world, Wall Street wouldn’t exert the kind influence it does over our candidates but it does. In an ideal world, labor would stand toe to toe with business but we have to be aware of the world we’re in and work with it to improve it. Take the approach with SSM. I think Obama as a constitutional scalar tried to and did find the inherent constitutionality of the issue. If we had did things the purist way, I don’t know if the USSC would have overturned DOMA and all existing state bans on SSM. I’m a liberal but I’m also pragmatic in the sense that I want to find a reasonable path to progress that will make the progress lasting which is why I thikn President Obama is so conservative with his executive orders.

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plansbandc  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:16:55pm

Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:18:15pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see how they even get to the point of discovery on Planned Parenthood unless the Judge allows them to mount a necessity defense. Given that the Grand Jury was convened to investigated PP and found nothing only the most wishful thinking could hope to unearth anything that would justify Daleiden’s actions. Especially given the fact that he undertook his fraud without any of the proof he thinks exists and hopes will exonerate him. Even if some proof emerges does the necessity defense even cover speculative actions like that?

Yeah, I’m not sure either. Especially since, according to some of the reading I’ve been doing, the trafficking charge seems to be based on the fact that Daleiden sent an unsolicited email where he held himself out to be a buyer of human tissue. I think it’s just one of those things where people on the anti-abortion side are convinced they’re right and something terrible happened that is going to end the scourge of abortion once and for all.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:18:31pm

re: #227 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cadians as well

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:18:52pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

No kidding. Of course, it’s more right wing denialism where they’re the only hard working people in society and it’s only Democratic (read black) voters on welfare. Nevermind that Appalachia is over 95% white and a Republican stronghold.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:19:17pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:20:24pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

Maybe you could send them this?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:20:36pm

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s just like when they complain about “greedy unions” but think you’re attacking “productivity” if you point out it’s absurd for an executive of a company not profiting to give themselves a seven figure bonus,

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:21:43pm

re: #231 Kragar

Cadians as well

Catachans are known for fragging commissars at the first opportunity. Now, my guys (Tallarn) are unusually devout. The commissars just end up lost in sand storms or some such.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:28:52pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

Reply with a photo of the Bundys.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:34:05pm

re: #226 Botsplainer

On a congressional bill to assess refuge restoration costs to the militants, keep in mind that while I hate Y’All Quaeda as much (or more than) the next guy, I wonder how is this not a Bill of Attainder in every classic sense of the phrase?

Cost of repair is most appropriately handled as criminal restitution, anyway. For those who weren’t indicted, they can be sued for the repairs under theories related to trespass and conversion.

It’s not just cost of repair. The fact that they occupied federal land which required the intervention of the police and FBI also has to be factored in. And he didn’t accuse them of anything. It’s pretty obvious they were on the land.

When a girl went missing near my house and the police had to use their helicopter in the search, the parents, who were from out of town, were billed for the use.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:38:21pm

Gee really? Who’d of thunk…

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:39:41pm

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

Another good one would be a map showing the states taking more in taxes than they provide.

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Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:43:50pm

Paged an LGF poll…
Women Should Be Required to Register for the Draft? LGF Poll

The question is about societal gender role choices, not a poll on the draft in general.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:44:00pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I don’t really care if someone blocks me (especially not an idiot like that), but it’s really an asshole move to keep ranting at me after they do.

That technique has worked well for talk radio for decades.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:46:37pm

re: #26 Kragar

Well, that was a fun call.

“The doctor wants to double check a few things about your test results, so we want you to schedule a consultation with an oncologist.”

Mother fucker.

Just saw your comment Kragar. I am sending good will thoughts your way. Hang in there!

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:46:47pm

You know, after hearing “the obscenely rich need more money to get the economy going” from the GOP for 35 years now you’d think they’d wise up.

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JP Chgo  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:47:58pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher wrote….
Short, stocky Paul Giamatti is arguably a better actor than conventionally handsome Tom Cruise, but who sells more movie tickets?

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That’s insane, even for Rod. Cruise in Magnolia or Tropic Thunder vs Giamatti as schlubby Paul Giamatti, most recently in Straight Outta Compton.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:48:53pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Dog Before Counrty!

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Must be the Canadian spelling.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:49:05pm

BAD MEME! GO TO YOUR ROOM!====>

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lawhawk  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:50:16pm

re: #244 ausador

Every last one of the 2016 ~GOP~ candidates’ tax plans doesn’t pass the smell test. Every last one would blow out the national debt - increasing it by trillions of dollars. Every last one of the tax plans would shift tax burdens to those who can least afford them. And the costs would be borne on everyone - as the right wingers who complain that the national debt is now $19 trillion or $58,000 per person, that amount would only increase exponentially under any GOPer who manages to push their tax policies through.

Then you’ve got the Cruz VAT plan, which is even more insane in its shifting of tax burdens.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:52:43pm

Marco Rubio’s Director of Faith Outreach:

No it isn’t, you platitudinous pipsqueak!

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Unabogie  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:53:53pm

re: #248 lawhawk

Every last one of the 2016 candidates’ tax plans doesn’t pass the smell test. Every last one would blow out the national debt - increasing it by trillions of dollars. Every last one of the tax plans would shift tax burdens to those who can least afford them. And the costs would be borne on everyone - as the right wingers who complain that the national debt is now $19 trillion or $58,000 per person, that amount would only increase exponentially under any GOPer who manages to push their tax policies through.

Then you’ve got the Cruz VAT plan, which is even more insane in its shifting of tax burdens.

That’s because none of them actually cares about the deficit. That was always bullshit intended to excuse their deliberate sabotage of the economy after Bush crashed it.

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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:54:00pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:54:08pm

Earth Wind & Fire - Got to get you into my life (Live 2004)

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:54:45pm

re: #249 De Kolta Chair

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No it isn’t, you platitudinous pipsqueak!

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:54:45pm

re: #251 Lidane

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Way nicer photo!

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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:55:52pm
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originalben  Feb 4, 2016 • 2:59:05pm

re: #72 qubit2020

Just started it myself last night.
Exceptionally well done.

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Lidane  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:00:10pm

Still my favorite Earth, Wind & Fire song:

Earth, Wind & Fire - Sing a Song

I’ll be grooving out to some EWF tonight for sure.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:00:16pm

Heh. Columbus has an unusual animal on the loose.

NBC4i - Police looking for possible loose monkey in Minerva Park

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH)-Police in Minerva Park say there may be an unusual animal on Lakewood Drive: A monkey.

An officer first spotted the monkey between Morse Road and East Dublin Granville Road around 11am. Police say the officer got out of his cruiser and tried to approach the animal, but it ray away.

“Based on the description and having the witness look at photos, it may be a medium sized Howler Monkey. Do not approach. These animals are afraid of people, but can be territorial,” the police department said on its Facebook page.

The police department, along with the Ohio Department of Agriculture, have been searching for the monkey ever since. They are not 100 percent sure what kind of monkey it is.

The Department of Agriculture said that if it is a howler monkey, they are aggressive and mean. Neighbors should not approach the monkey, and should report it if they spot it.

No reports on whether the monkey is a member of John Kasich’s campaign staff out scaring people, though scaring people is often a Republican election stunt.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:00:37pm

re: #229 plansbandc

Someone should send a jackass like that graphic pictures of dead children in foreign countries that his taxes also paid for.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:02:15pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:02:42pm

re: #257 Lidane

Still my favorite Earth, Wind & Fire song:

I’ll be grooving out to some EWF tonight for sure.

;-)

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:04:42pm

Grr…second tweet down should be…

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:04:47pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Off-topic, but needing to vent in a place where it won’t boomerang on me:

Clients still haven’t paid for work done last year. Paying projects for this year keep getting pushed a month. Stuck in that old familiar “trough” of Jan-Mar, where the business is running on fumes, and all seems lost. Only this time, it’s much, much worse. The safety margin we used to have got eaten up late last year, and right now, we are staring total disaster in the face. As in, selling most of our shit and moving into a much, much smaller space.

10 years of building up a business are about to go down the drain in the next few weeks, if some magic rabbit doesn’t pop out of a hat.

Really freaking out here.

Thanks for your (virtual) attention.

Damn. I understand your plight. I’ve been there. All positive thoughts going your way.

And I still have a sizable chunk of cash still owed me for an invoice that dates to June of ‘14 and I know the S.O.B. has the bucks.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:04:59pm

re: #260 ausador

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Think you meant to post this

EDIT:
Damn it, 17 seconds

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:05:16pm

re: #260 ausador

Of course the BLM has a handbook and policies for dealing with “bozos”. The necessity for such things is immediately apparent to even the most casual observer.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:08:52pm

Seeing as how those bozos can wander right out of there anytime they want, I fail to see how 50 people are needed to save them. Unless it requires that many bozos to guide each other down the single paved road.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:09:03pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:10:07pm

Mark my words, eye doctor Rand Paul will run again in 2020.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:10:43pm

re: #268 De Kolta Chair

Mark my words, eye doctor Rand Paul will run again in 2020.

Everyone needs a hobby.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:13:32pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

Time-Lapse Video of Sunbathing Cats Moving With the Sun

I remember spending afternoons doing just that…

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:13:41pm

Translation: I don’t wanna be seen at the kid’s table, so abolish the kid’s table!

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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:15:29pm

JWxD29vK5VLvwsmTZKdCgP2b+CnM1vVMH9sPl6/L81ffskrj4Z+sTCr82WOjoWG5AVjSClP7vfSZ+PtzuDwtepu4rFDDbsFA61FmUqhW85EteWIY+APTBvv7VzCy77r9upFokgV137PLXmR5YrDfjIqCsagQe3XK0fM96Xc0JWDdQeZewJsWYOW5CXJMqE1NyQLT/20h4goEnJOtuU1E2pAJ7nVOfyBKftLACNxhvZQaQh+cKntK5YrpwHDqC9hJV4roRfHIJHsriKRAjK3eYE++Tx0ZzOgdLOB3OvW1DFXay6evj90eIxohAHw63RTXxCJFgs/Gb1A8ny4qoQIoVbsAGACBjHzy

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:17:50pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:20:36pm

re: #271 De Kolta Chair

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Translation: I don’t wanna be seen at the kid’s table, so abolish the kid’s table!

Or if the kid’s table stays, he’ll get more questions that he can’t answer.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:21:55pm

re: #194 unproven innocence

In the mid-60s, the first black student in my high school was named White.

Heh, the first Black student in my Catholic grade school was in my class and his last name was Black.

Yes, he was one of my best friends!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:23:50pm

Nice…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:23:57pm

re: #249 De Kolta Chair

Marco Rubio’s Director of Faith Outreach:

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No it isn’t, you platitudinous pipsqueak!

Biblical qualifications and political leaders do not belong in the same sentence. Marco’s such a wanker that he has such a guy working for him. Marco’s free to believe whatever crazy shit he wants but the idea that you have to be religious to be a political leader is something I find very offensive just like his crap about the President dividing the country by appearing at a mosque but then again what to expect from a hack like Rubio who has no principles.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:24:05pm

re: #194 unproven innocence

In the mid-60s, the first black student in my high school was named White.

Was his first name Barry?

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:25:52pm

re: #194 unproven innocence

In the mid-60s, the first black student in my high school was named White.

I lived in a co-ed dorm in college. On my floor were two David Whites, one white and one black. That may or may not be the correct first name.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:26:46pm

Oh good, the judge is letting Duane Ehmer (horse guy) out on home gps monitoring. Only one I feel sorry for, reporters say he is “slow” and a follower, not an instigator. When they were touring the compound he gave one reporter his “antique” pistol to hold showing it off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:27:21pm

re: #249 De Kolta Chair

<blockquoteWorldview ministry @BreakPointCC publishes “Biblical Qualifications for Political Leadership”

The real Biblical list is short and simple

a) Love your neighbor,
b) Do what you can to help the poor and less fortunate

and

c) DON’T BE A LYING, CHEATING DIPSHIT!!!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:27:59pm

re: #280 ausador

Oh good, the judge is letting Duane Ehmer (horse guy) out on home gps monitoring. Only one I feel sorry for, reporters say he is “slow” and a follower, not an instigator. When they were touring the compound he gave one reporter his “antique” pistol to hold showing it off.

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He and his horse are too pretty for jail.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:28:07pm

re: #219 ausador

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That looks like a bird dog conspiracy. Could possible be a RICO case.

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:29:43pm

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Was his first name Barry?

Female. I do not recall her first name.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:31:21pm

re: #229 plansbandc

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Oh look. Some racist crap from my FB. And such a hilarious original meme.

It would be highly amusing if the picture he was sent was of a white family that just happened to be cousins.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:35:36pm

re: #230 KGxvi

Yeah, I’m not sure either. Especially since, according to some of the reading I’ve been doing, the trafficking charge seems to be based on the fact that Daleiden sent an unsolicited email where he held himself out to be a buyer of human tissue. I think it’s just one of those things where people on the anti-abortion side are convinced they’re right and something terrible happened that is going to end the scourge of abortion once and for all.

There was a right-to-lifer on the local NBC politics show this past weekend that tried to claim the charge of Daleiden buying baabeee parts from PP proves PP was in fact selling baabeee parts.

Of course the moderator of the show let it stand unquestioned. She did manage to point out to the guy the videos were said to be faked. He tried to stammer around that too…but the point was made by the fact Texas had nothing on PP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:38:24pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

It would be highly amusing if the picture he was sent was of a white family that just happened to be cousins.

Or a white defense contractor living in a suburb…

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:38:26pm

Audio, only listened to first few seconds to confirm…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:40:20pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

There was a right-to-lifer on the local NBC politics show this past weekend that tried to claim the charge of Daleiden buying baabeee parts from PP proves PP was in fact selling baabeee parts.

Of course the moderator of the show let it stand unquestioned. She did manage to point out to the guy the videos were said to be faked. He tried to stammer around that too…but the point was made by the fact Texas had nothing on PP.

Remember, these are people who are not just against Planned Parenthood, they are against the concept of planning parenthood except through abstinence before marriage and rhythm method afterward.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:41:33pm

re: #288 ausador

Audio, only listened to first few seconds to confirm…

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All those assholes think they are above the law.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:41:36pm

re: #251 Lidane

Tis tge year, apparently. RIP

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:42:18pm

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember, these are people who are not just against Planned Parenthood, they are against the concept of planning parenthood except through abstinence before marriage and rhythm method afterward.

And they are not “right to lifers.” Most generously they are anti-choice.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:44:33pm

re: #290 Tigger2

All those assholes think they are above the law.

For the most part they are. Certainly old man Bundy is.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:45:20pm

re: #293 Skip Intro

For the most part they are. Certainly old man Bundy is.

No he isn’t he has just been lucky so far. They well eventually get tired of messing with him.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:46:29pm

Little change of pace:

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Alephnaught  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:47:12pm

re: #251 Lidane

Maurice White of Earth, Wind & Fire has died

That’s a shame. This was my favourite song of theirs, off the “I am” album.

Im The Stone - Earth Wind And Fire(1979)

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Alephnaught  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:50:10pm
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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:52:15pm

re: #288 ausador

Audio, only listened to first few seconds to confirm…

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What a riot. “Go home Oregon state police.”

All these people are delusional. I hope they occupy a prison cell for a long, long time.

Glad Ritzy will be joining them. He’s a danger to everyone.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:52:21pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:52:45pm

re: #89 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Find their Dun & Bradstreet number and file a report.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:53:25pm
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Alephnaught  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:54:54pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

Little change of pace:

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Cool! Here’s the Arabic version of the theme from “Shaft”.

Malik Adouane - Shaft

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:56:04pm

re: #301 wrenchwench

Clinton vs. Sanders could have been an interesting debate on whether or not making small changes to the existing US power structure is a plausible path for reform.

Reality has been most disappointing.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:57:14pm

re: #301 wrenchwench

Uh…What’s a “Cis White man”? My best guess is an inhabitant of Patavium at the time of Caesar’s Gallic wars.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:58:57pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Uh…What’s a “Cis White man”? My best guess is an inhabitant of Patavium at thethe time of Caesar’s Gallic wars.

From Wiki:

Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) describes related types of gender identity perceptions, where individuals’ experiences of their own gender agree with the sex they were assigned at birth.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:59:05pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

Everything about this story is just weird to me, including the way partisans are seeing it. But abortion is an issue where people are going to see what they want to see and nothing more.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 3:59:54pm

Gun manufacturers and sellers anti discrimination bill under consideration in Kansas

“Guns are people too, my friends”.

sanluisobispo.com

And to the surprise of absolutey no one,

Americans are much more likely to be killed by guns than people in other countries

Gun homicide rate in U.S. more than 25 times higher than other populous, high-income nations

Overall U.S. homicide rate seven times higher than in other countries

Study examined mortality rates in 21 nations

sanluisobispo.com

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:01:03pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:01:40pm

re: #305 wrenchwench

From Wiki:

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Guess that’s me then, unless liking show tunes gets me off the hook.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:02:40pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Guess that’s me then, unless liking show tunes gets me off the hook.

Nah, but the part where you don’t go around being an asshole to people on Twitter probably does.

Unless you’re doing it in secret behind all of our backs.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:03:58pm

re: #310 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nah, but the part where you don’t go around being an asshole to people on Twitter probably does.

Unless you’re doing it in secret behind all of our backs.

Nope. Twitter virgin here, a veritable FaceBook nun.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:04:20pm

Links to Breitbart so don’t click, posted for informational purposes only.

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wrenchwench  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:05:36pm

Time to walk home.

Later, lizards

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:06:27pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

Of course the BLM has a handbook and policies for dealing with “bozos”. The necessity for such things is immediately apparent to even the most casual observer.

The four there have also been charged in the indictment. They will be arrested.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:10:13pm

MOST HORRIBLE MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:10:31pm

One of the public faces of the occupation, Blaine Cooper, disappeared shortly after the initial arrests of the Bundys and others. Cooper was known for posting dramatic video updates from inside the refuge. He had also claimed that Arizona Department of Child Safety attempted to take his kids into custody while he and his wife, Melissa, were in Oregon, because of his involvement with the occupation.
Melissa Cooper with husband Blaine Cooper. They were at the occupied refuge since Jan. 3.

Both Blaine and Melissa Cooper have gone silent since the arrests, except when Blaine Cooper called into a conservative talk radio show on Jan. 29. Blaine told the radio host he checks daily to see if a warrant is out for his arrest. “If they tried to do anything to me, I’m going to go the way LaVoy did,” he said on the show.

The Coopers’ whereabouts are now unknown.

feckin drama llamas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:11:18pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

MOST HORRIBLE MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Idiots.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:12:13pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

Can’t get contraception either if the Catholic Church has any say in things.

At least they can still buy aspirin to hold between their knees.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:13:16pm

re: #298 WhatEVs

What a riot. “Go home Oregon state police.”

All these people are delusional. I hope they occupy a prison cell for a long, long time.

Glad Ritzy will be joining them. He’s a danger to everyone.

Preferably in a federal supermax on 23 hour a day lockdown.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:15:37pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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feckin drama llamas.

A parlor game on the threeper/militia blogs is: “Guess the Fed”, trying to figure out who and how many of the Bundy Bunch are .gov provocateurs. Ol’ Blaine tops a bunch of lists.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:16:55pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:17:04pm

re: #318 Skip Intro

Can’t get contraception either if the Catholic Church has any say in things.

God wants these 15 year olds to give birth./

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:17:13pm

re: #318 Skip Intro

Can’t get contraception either if the Catholic Church has any say in things.

At least they can still buy aspirin to hold between their knees.

Well, you know - contraception causes sex, so if women don’t have access to contraceptives they won’t have sex.

That’s how they see it, right?

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:17:15pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

Consent or notification of at least one parent is required in 35 of the 50 states. And of the 15 states where it’s not required, 10 of those states are because the laws have been enjoined by the courts. That leaves only 5 states where there’s no consent or notification law.

As for all the other problems abortion causes, how about these devout Catholic people open their homes to orphans. Because their position is going to result in more orphans.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:18:13pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

MOST HORRIBLE MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Anxious, depressed, and suicidal describes a pregnant teen forced into parenthood and thrown out of her home by parents who deem her a worthless slut.

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stpaulbear  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:18:52pm

Just got home from a road trip for work so haven’t read any of the comments yet.

On our trip today, we passed a super bright pink billboard with a message about killing babies and selling the parts. I didn’t get to see it clearly but the two women in the car all but gasped. There are dozens of anti-choice billboards all the way along I-35 in between the Twin Cities and Duluth.

Billboard companies shouldn’t be allowed to post crap like that. I’m sure my wingnut sister who lives in the area believes it.

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Teukka  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:19:26pm

OT, but did you guys see this? May be NSFW in some circles:
Ted Cruz’ Logo: Hilariously Appropriate

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:19:56pm

re: #326 stpaulbear

Just got home from a road trip for work so haven’t read any of the comments yet.

On our trip today, we passed a super bright pink billboard with a message about killing babies and selling the parts. I didn’t get to see it clearly but the two women in the car all but gasped. There are dozens of anti-choice billboards all the way along I-35 in between the Twin Cities and Duluth.

Do they really expect that shit to change minds because frankly whenever I see the graphic signs the the pro force birthers have, it just makes me want to smack them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:20:19pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

A parlor game on the threeper/militia blogs is: “Guess the Fed”, trying to figure out who and how many of the Bundy Bunch are .gov provocateurs. Ol’ Blaine tops a bunch of lists.

Totally.
And if he isn’t, ya gotta think that the other militia folks already think that.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:20:48pm

More comes out on Johnny Football…

ESPN - Police report detailing Johnny Manziel incident released

Quarterback Johnny Manziel allegedly struck his ex-girlfriend several times during an incident at the Hotel ZaZa in downtown Dallas last Saturday, according to a police report released Thursday.

The two eventually left the hotel and drove back to Fort Worth, when Manziel allegedly struck her several more times, according to the report.

Manziel’s ex-girlfriend alleged that he was acting “as if he were on some kind of drugs” but maintained that he was not intoxicated.

According to a report from ABC affiliate WFAA in Dallas, Manziel told the woman to “shut up or I’ll kill us both” after he forced her into the car before they drove to Fort Worth.

Manziel, in an interview with TMZ Sports posted on its website later Thursday, said of the claims that he struck his ex-girlfriend: “It didn’t happen.” He also said, “I’m completely stable. I’m safe and secure.”

A source told ESPN’s Pat McManamon earlier this week that the Browns plan to release Manziel in March, the end result of his latest off-the-field incident.

- - CUT - -

The dude is a danger and seems to be getting bolder with it all. He is either going to really hurt someone, himself or a combination. I hope someone gets to him quick, but I really doubt he will be able to be gotten to for help. Looks like he is a enabled jerk that thinks he can do and say anything and still be Johnny Football.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:21:18pm
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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:21:31pm

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

One more thought… other rights that the 15 year does enjoy:

- Can own property (both real and personal)
- Has freedom of speech
- Can own a business
- Has the right to freely exercise religion
- Has a right against self-incrimination
- Has a right to be secure in her person and effects
- Can have a job
- Has a right to privacy

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:21:34pm

Guess who will be the next to drop out==>

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:21:51pm

re: #330 ObserverArt

More comes out on Johnny Football…

ESPN - Police report detailing Johnny Manziel incident released

The dude is a danger and seems to be getting bolder with it all. He is either going to really hurt someone, himself or a combination. I hope someone gets to him quick, but I really doubt he will be able to be gotten to for help. Looks like he is a enabled jerk that thinks he can do and say anything and still be Johnny Football.

He’s the original Affluenza kid.

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stpaulbear  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:22:15pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Do they really expect that shit to change minds because frankly whenever I see the graphic signs the the pro force birthers have, it just makes me want to smack them.

I’d like to make one of those baby picture billboards with a message that says “When I’m 15, I’ll realize I’m gay. Will you still want me then?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:23:01pm

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

Guess who will be the next to drop out==>

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Did they have a good reason? Or do they just not like her. Not that that isn’t a reasonable reaction, mind you.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:23:10pm

re: #326 stpaulbear

Just got home from a road trip for work so haven’t read any of the comments yet.

On our trip today, we passed a super bright pink billboard with a message about killing babies and selling the parts. I didn’t get to see it clearly but the two women in the car all but gasped. There are dozens of anti-choice billboards all the way along I-35 in between the Twin Cities and Duluth.

Billboard companies shouldn’t be allowed to post crap like that. I’m sure my wingnut sister who lives in the area believes it.

The First Amendment allows them to post crap like that.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:24:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:24:43pm

re: #335 stpaulbear

I’d like to make one of those baby picture billboards with a message that says “When I’m 15, I’ll realize I’m gay. Will you still want me then?”

Yeah!

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:25:32pm

re: #332 KGxvi

One more thought… other rights that the 15 year does enjoy:

- Can own property (both real and personal)
- Has freedom of speech
- Can own a business
- Has the right to freely exercise religion
- Has a right against self-incrimination
- Has a right to be secure in her person and effects
- Can have a job
- Has a right to privacy

RWNJs would pretty much like to remove all of these rights for 15 year old girls, and the boys wouldn’t fare much better.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:26:23pm

Always talk about punishing the women who get abortions but never any talk about preventing the conditions that lead to women getting abortions in the first place. Yeah we’ll make birth control hard to afford and get and then we’ll give you shit for getting pregnant bitch!

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:26:46pm

re: #337 Big Beautiful Door

The First Amendment allows them to post crap like that.

In a way it is similar to the cake baker case. You sell signage space. You have to put up the sign unless it somehow does not meet community standards, etc. So, it is up to someone else to judge the legitimacy of the sign.

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:26:48pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Papa Bundy? (Please?)

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:26:48pm
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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:26:59pm

re: #340 EPR-radar

RWNJs would pretty much like to remove all of these rights for 15 year old girls, and the boys wouldn’t fare much better.

Hell, with some of them, 35 year old men and women wouldn’t fare much better.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:28:05pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:28:19pm

re: #338 Kragar

Bingo. RWNJs want there to be lots and lots of abortions. Illegal abortions that end up killing or injuring women for the ‘crime’ of wanting to end their pregnancy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:29:05pm

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

Guess who will be the next to drop out==>

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Christie and Kasich will be gone next, unless one of them surprises and finishes ahead of Rubio on Tuesday. And the establishment will start leaning on Bush to get out if he doesn’t perform in NH, though with the money Right to Rise has, he may grimly soldier on to SC anyway. By Super Tuesday it could be down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio, and since none of them are the best man, may they all fail to win the nomination before the convention.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:31:03pm

re: #327 Teukka

“Anal Probes for Ted”. Why can’t Jeb! come up with great lines like that?

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:31:17pm

re: #346 ausador

I’m a bit conflicted here. On one hand, Shkreli deserves a congressional hearing hatchet job more than just about anyone else in the world. On the other hand, blowing off the likes of Trey Gowdy with the 5th amendment is generally commendable.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:32:16pm

re: #336 Blind Frog Belly White

Did they have a good reason? Or do they just not like her. Not that that isn’t a reasonable reaction, mind you.

I assume they have a minimum polling number in either NH or nationally and she missed the threshold.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:32:27pm

re: #348 Big Beautiful Door

Christie and Kasich will be gone next, unless one of them surprises and finishes ahead of Rubio on Tuesday. And the establishment will start leaning on Bush to get out if he doesn’t perform in NH, though with the money Right to Rise has, he may grimly soldier on to SC anyway. By Super Tuesday it could be down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio, and since none of them are the best man, may they all fail to win the nomination before the convention.

Figure Kasich will be gone, probably Carly. Christie and Jeb might hold out till the next cycle, but no much past that.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:32:43pm

re: #344 Kragar

They do realize that the Catholic Church condoned slavery to the point that it was part of Canon Law for at least 400 years, right? So much so that multiple Popes held slaves?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:33:00pm

“Catholic For Life” has blocked me, but I wanted to say “So enslaving women is OK with you?”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:33:26pm

Of course he lives in his mother’s basement.
How could it have been any other way?

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:34:39pm

re: #353 KGxvi

They do realize that the Catholic Church condoned slavery to the point that it was part of Canon Law for at least 400 years, right? So much so that multiple Popes held slaves?

They also had mistresses and lots of illegitimate children which were treated with all the respect you’d expect after being born to all those sluts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:34:54pm

re: #352 Kragar

Figure Kasich will be gone, probably Carly. Christie and Jeb might hold out till the next cycle, but no much past that.

Christie is about out of money, and if he doesn’t break through in NH, he isn’t going to break through anywhere. If he isn’t the top establishment candidate Tuesday, or damn close to it, he’s gone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:34:59pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Always talk about punishing the women who get abortions but never any talk about preventing the conditions that lead to women getting abortions in the first place. Yeah we’ll make birth control hard to afford and get and then we’ll give you shit for getting pregnant bitch!

Mostly I hear talk about punishing people or institutions who perform abortions. They tend to leave the women out of that equation because, since they claim abortion is murder, and 30% of American women have had or will have an abortion by age 45, they’re essentially calling 30% of women murderers. If they started talking like that, they’d lose support PDQ.

So it seems to me that when they talk about the women, it’s primarily to accuse them of being sluts.

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KGxvi  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:35:57pm

re: #348 Big Beautiful Door

Christie and Kasich will be gone next, unless one of them surprises and finishes ahead of Rubio on Tuesday. And the establishment will start leaning on Bush to get out if he doesn’t perform in NH, though with the money Right to Rise has, he may grimly soldier on to SC anyway. By Super Tuesday it could be down to Trump, Cruz and Rubio, and since none of them are the best man, may they all fail to win the nomination before the convention.

Kasich was running well in New Hampshire. Though Rubio’s showing in Iowa may shift some of Kasich’s support to him.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:36:55pm

Does anyone think abortion will be stopped by making it illegal?

I don’t. There was a reason Row v Wade was decided. It has not changed.

Folks that can afford it will still have it done and it might be back under some old procedural name like a D&C or something other than an abortion. There will be three day vacations for the family and daughter for a little get-away-time.

Or the poor people will go back to the ‘back alley’ abortionist and face horrible consequences.

All the pro-life people want to do is feel good about themselves. It does not matter if they are causing pain and death for others, or covering for people that will still have it done.

It’s very simple. If you don’t think abortion is right and is a sin…don’t do it.

Get the hell out of other peoples lives. I think your God may even recommend it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:38:56pm

re: #359 KGxvi

Kasich was running well in New Hampshire. Though Rubio’s showing in Iowa may shift some of Kasich’s support to him.

The polls are all over the place. I assume that Rubio’s showing in Iowa will propel him to a second or third place finish in NH, but anyone’s guess is as good as mine. One would think that Republicans would realize that if they don’t want Trump or Cruz to be their nominee, they better coalesce around an alternative fast, and Rubio seems to be the obvious choice.

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:39:32pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Bingo. RWNJs want there to be lots and lots of abortions. Illegal abortions that end up killing or injuring women for the ‘crime’ of wanting to end their pregnancy.

About a half century ago, I learned that my mom had long suffered from a broken tailbone. Apparently she’d fallen on some stairs. I suspect it was because abortions were still illegal, and birth control had long been …controlled.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:40:45pm

re: #347 EPR-radar

Bingo. RWNJs want there to be lots and lots of abortions. Illegal abortions that end up killing or injuring women for the ‘crime’ of wanting to end their pregnancy.

I disagree. I don’t think they want them to have illegal, botched abortions and die. I think they want women to have babies so they can point at them as irresponsible sluts, a burden on society, and feel superior.

If they actually gave a shit about reducing abortion, we know how to do that already, and it doesn’t involve simultaneously banning abortion and making contraception harder to get.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:41:49pm

They’re called counters, Jeb. Or maybe he’d have preferred to be in a bar? Just asking questions here.

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Kragar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:42:01pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:42:25pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

Of course he lives in his mother’s basement.
How could it have been any other way?

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Anyone think this fool realizes he has just made himself a living example of an internet meme for people like him?

Hello!

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:45:13pm

Audit the Fed! Dems!

Des Moines Register calls for audit of Iowa Democratic caucses

Tag line:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s victory over Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., by a mere 0.2 percent has raised concerns about the accuracy of the Democratic caucus process.

Let’s look at that sentence carefully. It is telling us that a candidate winning by .2% is an implication that something is wrong about “accuracy.”

Well, what does an “accurate” result look like? Are candidates suppose to win by percentages expressed in whole numbers only?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:45:33pm

I wonder what the FBI said to him…

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:46:38pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

I fail to see one single solitary good that is accomplished by forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will by force of law.

The anti-choicers’ stated concern for the life of the fetus can be dismissed with prejudice, since their political movement is a death cult that has no regard at all for human life.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:47:06pm

re: #366 ObserverArt

There was a picture that showed Roosh with a blow up doll in the background.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:47:32pm

Yep, it is getting very old, my patience is shot…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:47:41pm

re: #364 De Kolta Chair

They’re called counters, Jeb. Or maybe he’d have preferred to be in a bar? Just asking questions here.

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And he’s eating from a styrofoam take-out container instead of a real plate, like Pat’s food is on?

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:48:22pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

And just look at that crowd!

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:48:49pm

re: #370 Eric The Fruit Bat

There was a picture that showed Roosh with a blow up doll in the background.

Yeah, caught that earlier in another thread. This is a fool’s fool.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:49:17pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s eating from a styrofoam take-out container instead of a real plate, like Pat’s food is on?

Good eye!

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:50:01pm

BBL

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:50:16pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s eating from a styrofoam take-out container instead of a real plate, like Pat’s food is on?

He probably brought it in with him.

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majii  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:50:31pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

This is the same crowd that made sure most Americans weren’t allowed access to the Homeland Security Report in 2009 that GWB had ordered, the one that revealed the real threat to America are far right extremists. Many right-wingers support the kind of sh*t that the Bundys and other “militia-members” do until someone calls them out. Then they go into denial and projection modes. I read the Newsweek post, but I did not read the comments because I sensed that the right-wingers would be out in full force, and that their comments would be neither civil nor reality-based.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:50:33pm

re: #367 freetoken

Remember how many votes Al Franken won by in 2008

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:50:55pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s eating from a styrofoam take-out container instead of a real plate, like Pat’s food is on?

Maybe they’re trying to tell him something.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:51:31pm

re: #376 De Kolta Chair

BBL

Me too…for some of the main event/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:52:08pm

re: #368 FormerDirtDart

I wonder what the FBI said to him…

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“Don’t.”

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:52:13pm

When racism trumps socialism: storify.com

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:52:21pm

So, like CNN, MSNBC wants me to “sign in” to watch their livestream.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:52:23pm

re: #377 b.d.

He probably brought it in with him.

I imagine the guy he’s sitting next to is wondering why this asshole chose to sit next to him when the place is empty. Give him a a buck and maybe he’ll go away.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:53:03pm

re: #385 Skip Intro

I imagine the guy he’s sitting next to is wondering why this asshole chose to sit next to him when the place is empty. Give him a a buck and maybe he’ll go away.

Soooooo, you say your brother was president eh?

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:53:48pm

re: #378 majii

This is the same crowd that made sure most Americans weren’t allowed access to the Homeland Security Report in 2009 that GWB had ordered, the one that revealed the real threat to America are far right extremists. Many right-wingers support the kind of sh*t that the Bundys and other “militia-members” do until someone calls them out. Then they go into denial and projection modes. I read the Newsweek post, but I did not read the comments because I sensed that the right-wingers would be out in full force, and that their comments would be neither civil nor reality-based.

One might be inclined to view this as right wing nut jobs, including some elected officials, providing aid and comfort to violent enemies of the united states.

Same fact pattern but with Islamist or Communist ideology and the RWNJs would be howling about sedition and/or treason.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:53:51pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:55:30pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

Of course he lives in his mother’s basement.
How could it have been any other way?

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Do you think his mom realizes that he’ll try to kill her someday?

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majii  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:55:52pm

re: #126 Unabogie

I quit fooling around at DKos after the 2010 election. There was entirely too much backseat presidenting there for me. Many had opinions about what they’d do if they were president, but what they lacked was pragmatism. They seemed to think that being POTUS gives one dictatorial powers when it doesn’t.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:56:08pm
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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:56:42pm

re: #360 ObserverArt

Does anyone think abortion will be stopped by making it illegal?

I don’t. There was a reason Row v Wade was decided. It has not changed.

Folks that can afford it will still have it done and it might be back under some old procedural name like a D&C or something other than an abortion. There will be three day vacations for the family and daughter for a little get-away-time.

Or the poor people will go back to the ‘back alley’ abortionist and face horrible consequences.

All the pro-like people want to do is feel good about themselves. It does not matter if they are causing pain and death for other, or covering for people that will still have it done.

It’s very simple. If you don’t think abortion is right and is a sin…don’t do it.

Get the hell out of other peoples lives. I think your God may even recommend it.

Nope. This will happen.

Warning: Graphic.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:56:49pm

re: #363 Blind Frog Belly White

I disagree. I don’t think they want them to have illegal, botched abortions and die. I think they want women to have babies so they can point at them as irresponsible sluts, a burden on society, and feel superior.

If they actually gave a shit about reducing abortion, we know how to do that already, and it doesn’t involve simultaneously banning abortion and making contraception harder to get.

I think RWNJs are perfectly happy to run with both narratives simultaneously. Those forced to give birth are sluts to be denied welfare etc. and those who die in botched abortions feed the obscene RWNJ ‘wages of sin’ narrative.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:58:49pm

America, 2016:

HAWAII LAWMAKERS KILL VACCINE BILL AFTER HEATED DEBATE

hosted.ap.org

After listening to Hawaii residents speak out against vaccines saying they cause everything from autism to the Zika virus, Hawaii lawmakers killed a bill to speed up the state’s process for adopting federal vaccination guidelines.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 4, 2016 • 4:59:23pm

re: #390 majii

I quit fooling around at DKos after the 2010 election. There was entirely too much backseat presidenting there for me. Many had opinions about what they’d do if they were president, but what they lacked was pragmatism. They seemed to think that being POTUS gives one dictatorial powers when it doesn’t.

“If only he’d use the Bully Pulpit!”

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:00:39pm

The link function in posting appears to have stopped working correctly for me.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:00:40pm

re: #366 ObserverArt

Anyone think this fool realizes he has just made himself a living example of an internet meme for people like him?

Hello!

With his “girlfriend”, a blowup sex doll. This guy couldn’t be a more stereotypical loser if he was fictional.

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:02:01pm

re: #397 Big Beautiful Door

This is real?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:04:44pm

re: #398 Skip Intro

Apparently so.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:06:47pm
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japa21  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:07:10pm

re: #365 Kragar

Speaking of facts, I wonder what he would say about the fact that according to the Bible, God endorses abortions in the case of adultery.

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:08:12pm

re: #396 freetoken

The link function in posting appears to have stopped working correctly for me.

I’ve noticed that the link fn and some other fns (quote, italic, etc) will do nothing on first try, but work correctly on the second. I’m using some browser add-ons that may be part of the problem. Hard to tweek ‘em just right.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:09:18pm

re: #402 unproven innocence

The link button was working for me just a little while ago, then it stopped working. I reload, but still nothing. Both in Spy and regular view.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:09:50pm

So some details and actual recordings…

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:11:32pm

Jeb! needs some end-of-campaign counseling:

Has Jeb Bush’s campaign come to its natural end?

Jeb Bush’s campaign is winning even less support (he trailed well behind Rand Paul in Iowa), but he is not quitting. So perhaps his campaign should now carry the moniker “Ebb with Jeb”, because while he is still in the race, it is reaching the lamentable stage.

[…]

“Ebb with Jeb!” - neat.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:11:49pm

So yes, now the link button works again. I don’t know why.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:12:21pm

re: #401 japa21

Speaking of facts, I wonder what he would say about the fact that according to the Bible, God endorses abortions in the case of adultery.

Most bible thumpers know that the bible says anything they want it to. It’s an extremely convenient religious doctrine.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:14:35pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

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Skip Intro  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:16:11pm

re: #405 freetoken

Jeb still hasn’t brought out his super weapon, brother George. Maybe both of them could be on stage at the debates from now on.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:16:22pm

re: #408 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

My cuticles hurt.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:17:27pm

This question is incomplete:

Does Cosby have any emails?

The full questions is this:

DOES COSBY HAVE ANY EMAILS ON HILLARY CLINTON’S SERVERS!!?

That’s what America really wants to know.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:19:56pm

re: #383 Belafon

When racism trumps socialism: storify.com

Go back and read this people.

Excellent.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:21:42pm

These comic book supervillain rants about Hillary are so hyperbolic as to be comical. “She is 100% corporate owned which means 100% evil. Plus she is a war monger!” I really just read that, I mean wtff bros?

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:23:39pm

re: #383 Belafon

When racism trumps socialism: storify.com

That was epic. Many great ones. My favorite:

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:24:04pm

I’ve decided to have another mini dagwood for dinner. With my bacon pickles.

Because I can.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:27:17pm

re: #415 Stanley Sea

I’ve decided to have another mini dagwood for dinner. With my bacon pickles.

Because I can.

Here, it’s pizza rolls and a tall Fireball and Coke.

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majii  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:29:47pm

re: #409 Skip Intro

Something tells me that Jeb knows that “W” is a real WMD, which is why we won’t be seeing him campaigning alongside his little brother.

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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:30:47pm

re: #412 Stanley Sea

Go back and read this people.

Excellent.

Wow, excellent indeed. Make it required reading for every Democrat please.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:30:59pm

re: #416 thedopefishlives

Here, it’s pizza rolls and a tall Fireball and Coke.

I have chicken feta meatballs with lentils and grilled vegetables to look forward to.

Although that’s better than the turkey and spinach meatloaf that was lunch.

(Not my favorite set of meals from the frozen diet today.)

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:31:25pm

re: #364 De Kolta Chair

They’re called counters, Jeb. Or maybe he’d have preferred to be in a bar? Just asking questions here.

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Pat, who it turns out had only one goal for the day: a quiet meal alone.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:38:54pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:42:39pm

re: #12 Kragar

Feliny Charges?

THEY’RE SAYING HE’S A CAT?
///

Next thing you know, he’ll be putting on the Fritz.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:45:43pm

Cute…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:46:11pm

re: #422 BeenHereAwhile

Next thing you know, he’ll be putting on the Fritz.

Judge Andrew Lloyd Webber sez this is a feliny!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:47:25pm

re: #421 FormerDirtDart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:48:29pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:49:21pm
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b_sharp  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:49:47pm

In case anyone hasn’t met their gross out needs for the day.

Morning Accident
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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:49:56pm

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such a reasonable guy. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:50:38pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:51:44pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:51:48pm

The Hillary-Bernie debate is approaching. Can’t you feel the excitement in the air?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:52:19pm

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

US Secret Service had investigated Pete Santilli for his statements about shooting Hillary and nothing further resulted,his lawyer said

Maybe this counts as “something further”, eh?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:52:51pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

The Hillary-Bernie debate is approaching. Can’t you feel the excitement in the air?

I think that’s just my dogs wanting to go out, rainy day, schedule is all screwed up

435
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:53:09pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

The Hillary-Bernie debate is approaching. Can’t you feel the excitement in the air?

I’ll listen but honestly with the purity tests over who’s the real progressive I am actually leaning more towards Hillary. We don’t need the same tea party style shit on this side that the right has.

436
Botsplainer  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:53:39pm

According to one tweet, Santilli mouthed “I’m sorry” to his producer-maybe-girlfriend.

Hope he enjoys the next several months’ of pretrial detention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:54:05pm
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allegro  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:57:46pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

The Hillary-Bernie debate is approaching. Can’t you feel the excitement in the air?

I feel as though I now have the information I need to make an intelligent, well informed decision that another debate won’t change. Gonna watch Blacklist and keep playing with my new grown up coloring books. :)

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Botsplainer  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:57:54pm

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“I’m sorry, I’m a giant fucking tool and listened to morons and caused good people a lot of trouble they didn’t deserve. In the future, don’t listen to militia nutcases, or you’ll ruin your life like I did” seems a great starting recording.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:59:51pm

re: #439 Botsplainer

“I’m sorry, I’m a giant fucking tool and listened to morons and caused good people a lot of trouble they didn’t deserve. In the future, don’t listen to militia nutcases, or you’ll ruin your life like I did” seems a great starting recording.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:12:03pm

re: #428 b_sharp

Still love ya.

Barely.

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unproven innocence  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:12:28pm

re: #428 b_sharp

In case anyone hasn’t met their gross out needs for the day.

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No pics, but apologies in advance anyway. A few months back, discovered a tick that had settled in under the nail of my middle toe. Eviction was eventually successful, but not fun.


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