On Donald Trump’s Enthusiastic Endorsement of Torture

He keeps going further into degradation
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After his absolutely disgusting statement last night enthusiastically endorsing torture “a hell of a lot worse than water-boarding,” Donald Trump went on Meet the Press today and — of course — doubled down.

Trump told Chuck Todd he “would go a lot further than water-boarding,” then refused to explain what he meant by “a lot further.”

But clearly, he’s talking about even more extreme forms of torture.

Note that when Trump said this last night at the New Hampshire debate, he got a round of wild cheers and applause from the conservative audience. This highlights one of the horrible facts about torture; it doesn’t just demean and degrade the victims, it also debases the torturers. When the Bush administration opened the door to this kind of abuse of prisoners, they set loose a very dark side of the conservative movement — and those are the people and forces Donald Trump is now exploiting.

Listen to Trump’s reaction as Chuck Todd tries to argue that America shouldn’t be a country that tortures prisoners; he brushes it off by sarcastically saying, “Oh, they can do it but we can’t.” He reduces the moral argument against torture to a simplistic game of getting even.

Trump talks about “medieval times” in this video as a negative thing, but it’s clear he wants to bring America right back into those dark ages, and he has an audience that’s eager to go there.

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218 comments
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:30:30am
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stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:31:28am

The crowd at this debate wasn’t even a typical rally crowd. It was packed with party insiders. He got wild applause for torture from what is supposed to be the moderate base.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:34:04am
Trump told Chuck Todd he “would go a lot further than water-boarding,” then refused to explain what he meant by “a lot further.”

But clearly, he’s talking about even more extreme forms of torture.

In contrast, I think this is a pretty typical example of the usual Trump formula to be louder and more X, whatever X is, without actually having any understanding of what X is.

Trump wouldn’t answer the question because he doesn’t actually know the answer. It’s an unthinking id response, not an endorsement of any actual policy, because Trump doesn’t have policies. He has strength, or at least what he understands strength to be.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:34:49am

re: #2 stpaulbear

The crowd at this debate wasn’t even a typical rally crowd. It was packed with party insiders. He got wild applause for torture from what is supposed to be the moderate base.

Yep. This was a GOP donor crowd with a lot of Bush supporters, and they went fucking wild for thumbscrews and the rack.

American exceptionalism.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:36:29am

At this point, I think you could show the GOP base videos of detainees being burned at the stake or pushed into a vat of molten metal and they would cheer.

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stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:37:49am

re: #3 Testy Toad T

I think for Trump ‘strength’ = ‘volume’. You shout until you win.

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:42:01am

re: #4 Aunty Entity Dragon

Factcheck said that each candidate got an equal number of tickets, with 200 going to the host college. Only 75 in the crowd of 1000 were said to be donors.

factcheck.org

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:46:04am

By the way, according to Factcheck.org, the audience really was not packed with RNC donors — there were only 75 donors in the audience. That was just one more lie Trump told.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:47:30am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

By the way, according to Factcheck.org, the audience really was not packed with RNC donors — there were only 75 donors in the audience. That was just one more lie Trump told.

Not to Trump supporters.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:48:43am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

By the way, according to Factcheck.org, the audience really was not packed with RNC donors — there were only 75 donors in the audience. That was just one more lie Trump told.

Why would Trump care about donors anyways, he’s yugggely self-funded and makes great hay about not being beholden to anyone.*

* - Yes, it’s a lie. But it’s also part of the sale of himself as an outsider to the GOP Establishment.

The only semi-amusing thing about a Trump vs Sanders election would be that it would be an not-really-a-Republican verses a not-really-a-Democrat. With neither seeming to care about electoral coat tails.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:50:31am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

By the way, according to Factcheck.org, the audience really was not packed with RNC donors — there were only 75 donors in the audience. That was just one more lie Trump told.

OK. Still something really, really strange about the level of cheers for Bush compared to his polls in the state. Not sure what that dynamic is. Trump is almost certainly going to win the primary hands down…but where the hell were his supporters last night?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:51:16am

Rubio meets Christie onstage…

100 Tons of Explosives GONE WRONG!

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:52:07am

re: #10 Feline Fearless Leader

Why would Trump care about donors anyways, he’s yugggely self-funded and makes great hay about not being beholden to anyone.*

* - Yes, it’s a lie. But it’s also part of the sale of himself as an outsider to the GOP Establishment.

The only semi-amusing thing about a Trump vs Sanders election would be that it would be an not-really-a-Republican verses a not-really-a-Democrat. With neither seeming to care about electoral coat tails.

So in other words nether one serious about getting anything they talk about done.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:54:10am

re: #11 Aunty Entity Dragon

OK. Still something really, really strange about the level of cheers for Bush compared to his polls in the state. Not sure what that dynamic is. Trump is almost certainly going to win the primary hands down…but where the hell were his supporters last night?

I think the boos he got last night was a true reflection of just how hated he is in the GOP. Yes, he’s polling higher than any other individual candidate but he’s never topped about 30%. Among the other 70% are those who can’t stand the obnoxious fraud and rude ass bully.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:57:12am
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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 10:58:26am
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:04:07am

re: #14 allegro

Over at 538, Trump has a net favorable rating of +27 points in the over GOP while Bush has only +13 points (corrected). Rubio (until last night presumably) had a +46 rating.

However, Trump and Rubio both got booed while Bush was not.

This may be a factor of NH voters overall, but the polls don’t reflect that either.

I do think there was some deck stacking of some sort in the hall last night. Very, very strange crowd dynamic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:09:49am

Don’t know where DT’s rally is today, but some tweets about it:

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:10:02am
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:14:36am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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The other points are that the SEAL goes in understanding that A) it’s all fake and B) they will not allow his injury or death. Based upon what we know about how waterboarding was conducted at Gitmo, the torture was all too real and the interrogators would continue until the detainee passed out, give them a second to reawaken, then start all over again.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:14:48am

The last two posts are quite illustrative of November’s choice. Trump babbling about how great he is while Hillary addresses real problems of real people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:16:00am
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Mentis Fugit  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:16:20am

“Oh, dung beetles can eat shit but we can’t.” - TRUMPlogic

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:17:19am

Really says a lot about not just Turmp but his party that this kind of talk gets cheers. Oh and when is Sean Hannity undergoing waterboarding to “prove” WBing isn’t torture.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:18:00am

re: #17 Aunty Entity Dragon

Over at 538, Trump has a net favorable rating of +27 points in the over GOP while Bush has only +13 points (corrected). Rubio (until last night presumably) had a +46 rating.

However, Trump and Rubio both got booed while Bush was not.

I suspect there is a difference between feeling unfavorable about a candidate and not respecting them.

Very few GOP primary voters want to vote for Bush, but I doubt all that many of them harbor intense personal hatred.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:18:17am

re: #17 Aunty Entity Dragon

Of course, the polls may be wildly wrong if the Trump fans are not reliable voters who will turn out.

If Trump does not win this one, we know for sure that his support is not what it was cracked up to be.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:19:20am

re: #25 Testy Toad T

I suspect there is a difference between feeling unfavorable about a candidate and not respecting them.

Very few GOP primary voters want to vote for Bush, but I doubt all that many of them harbor intense personal hatred.

Cruz is the only one I have heard about who generates actual personal hatred.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:20:25am

re: #27 Aunty Entity Dragon

Cruz is the only one I have heard about who generates actual personal hatred.

I’ve never seen a candidate quite like Cruz ever. Someone so disliked even by his own party. They seem to like Trump more than him and that’s saying a lot.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:23:20am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I’ve never seen a candidate quite like Cruz ever. Someone so disliked even by his own party. They seem to like Trump more than him and that’s saying a lot.

I think Trump generates disdain from the party apparatchiks for playing to the rubes in the base (and the base knows perfectly well that the party leadership mocks them as flyover country hayseeds).

At some point however, his schtick has to wear thin even with the flyover country types.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:24:38am

re: #29 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think Trump generates disdain from the party apparatchiks for playing to the rubes in the base (and the base knows perfectly well that the party leadership mocks them as flyover country hayseeds).

At some point however, his schtick has to wear thin even with the flyover country types.

That sounds right to me. Cruz just seems to be a genuinely miserable person.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:26:40am

The GOP is a party of IDIOTS.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:28:00am

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” — Robert Frost

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:30:03am

re: #31 Tigger2

That is as bad as Christie saying that the State should not have a TV station. Guess what you got them and you must take care of them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:30:45am

re: #31 Tigger2

The GOP is a party of IDIOTS.

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But they should be in the business of re-enforcing Teddy and Raffy’s bigoted religious beliefs. Fuck this. This party is helpless beyond reason.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:30:53am

re: #32 De Kolta Chair

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“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” —- Robert Frost

And there was this yesterday. Trump isn’t gonna stop with just walls, he’s gonna create borders!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:31:06am

re: #32 De Kolta Chair

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“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” —- Robert Frost

Is he talking what he imagines his penis size to be? He really likes to talk about uh large things.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:34:44am
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bratwurst  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:40:12am

Why does Ted hate the troops?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:41:45am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

I will create borders & the drugs will stop pouring in.

cut to druglords laughing so hard they piss their pants

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:43:29am

re: #5 Aunty Entity Dragon

Abu Ghraib photos. They’d celebrate.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:44:16am

re: #38 bratwurst

Why does Ted hate the troops?

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Red meat and military firearms turn conservative men into ravening monsters I guess.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:45:15am

re: #32 De Kolta Chair

Trump conflates his military answer with his wall answer, says the wall will be be “so big, so powerful.”

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” — Robert Frost

Powerful? I can imagine a lot of words to describe a wall, but ‘powerful’ ain’t one of ‘em.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:45:32am

Trump Global Defense Program Centers On Wall

brash mogul declares huns and mongols will never again lay waste to provincial castles

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:46:39am

re: #41 Aunty Entity Dragon

Red meat and military firearms turn conservative men into ravening monsters I guess.

He loves soldiers and veterans, but apparently doesn’t think much of them as people.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:46:59am

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” — Robert Frost

Powerful? I can imagine a lot of words to describe a wall, but ‘powerful’ ain’t one of ‘em.

it will be invested with magical trump powers, in the same way that bombing isis magically becomes more effective when you describe it as “bombing the shit outta them”

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:47:55am

re: #40 GlutenFreeJesus

Abu Ghraib photos. They’d celebrate.

I noticed even Ted wasn’t eager to let troops in the field do improv “enhanced interrogation”. He wants to limit it to paid contractors.

It is worth noting that Iraqi detainees were not just abused at Abu Ghraib. Field techniques for questioning included strapping suspects over a hot Humvee engine, simulated executions (Colonel Allen West) and old fashioned use of a baseball bat.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:48:02am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not sure any residents would care, honestly, unless she came in with a huge convoy of clean water for everyone. What’s going on there is way past talk. :(

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:48:08am

re: #38 bratwurst

Why does Ted hate the troops?

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He’d rather force them into pews with psychopaths.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:49:03am

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

He loves soldiers and veterans, but apparently doesn’t think much of them as people.

If they didn’t go to Princeton, then they must use the back door with the rest of the help.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:50:05am

re: #48 allegro

He’d rather force them into pews with psychopaths.

Reminds me of how he shit all over his dead sister last night.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:51:06am

re: #48 allegro

He’d rather force them into pews with psychopaths.

funny, you dont look pewish

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WhatEVs  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:51:52am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there was this yesterday. Trump isn’t gonna stop with just walls, he’s gonna create borders!

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Checkpoints Able, Baker, Charlie, etc. and that’s just three roads into NH.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:53:58am

HeHeHe

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:55:00am

re: #52 WhatEVs

More like Utah, Omaha, Juno, Gold, and Sword.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 11:58:25am

re: #53 Tigger2

HeHeHe

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That’s what I kept thinking last night as he continued to repeat that speech. Millions of people insured, unemployment under 5%, recovered economy with DJ at record highs, greatly reduced gas prices, most of our troops at home, Iran nuclear program stopped…

I’m thinking he really hasn’t thought that line if “attack” through.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:02:53pm

re: #38 bratwurst

Why does Ted hate the troops?

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Really Ted, really? Nice respect you got there for the military douchebag. But I’m sure he’ll get away with this because only Democrats disrespect the military. //

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:03:26pm

re: #53 Tigger2

HeHeHe

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Obama probably laughed his ass when he heard about Rubio doing it. Rubio’s act is fucking sad.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:06:51pm
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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:07:11pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Obama probably laughed his ass when he heard about Rubio doing it. Rubio’s act is fucking sad.

Rubio was highly overrated by the rightwing media and some on the left and I think more people are starting to see that now.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:12:58pm

re: #55 allegro

That’s what I kept thinking last night as he continued to repeat that speech. Millions of people insured, unemployment under 5%, recovered economy with DJ at record highs, greatly reduced gas prices, most of our troops at home, Iran nuclear program stopped…

i think DJs have an obligation to be sober at work after all millions of young people listen to the records they play

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:13:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:15:29pm
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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:16:12pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:17:48pm

re: #42 Blind Frog Belly White

“Something there is that doesn’t love a wall…” — Robert Frost

Powerful? I can imagine a lot of words to describe a wall, but ‘powerful’ ain’t one of ‘em.

Let’s face it; Trump is actually talking about his dick.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:18:03pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He raised 6 mil and all he could give them was 100K ?, We better check Trumps books.

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:18:37pm

re: #39 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

cut to druglords laughing so hard they piss their pants

I’m sure that El Chapo is sitting in his prison cell right now, formulating how to explain how borders and international trade (legal and illegal) works in the real world to Trump.

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:27:49pm

Home from the family shindig in Philly, in plenty of time to watch sportsball should we choose.

On the way, my wife snapped this pic on the NJ Turnpike…

Um. Wat?

Here’s the back story, but it sure did have us confused for a minute.

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CriticalDragon1177  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:28:13pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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CriticalDragon1177  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:29:27pm

Charles Johnson ,

Trump sure is a sadist isn’t he? Just because “they do it,” doesn’t justify us doing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:32:23pm

re: #69 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson ,

Trump sure is a sadist isn’t he? Just because “they do it,” doesn’t justify us doing.

Yes. Setting the standard of your behavior based on what the enemy you call ‘barbaric’ does really isn’t what American Exceptionalism is supposed to mean.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:37:35pm

re: #69 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson ,

Trump sure is a sadist isn’t he? Just because “they do it,” doesn’t justify us doing.

The ‘they do it, so why shouldn’t we,’ reminds me of a 5-yo.

“MOOOOooommm, Danny hit me”
“Yeah, but she hit me first, so we’re even”

Hell, my kids were more mature then than the rethuglicans are now

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:47:03pm

Perhaps Hare Trump would prefer boating (NSFW;nightmare warning;mindbleach alert)

This Ancient Torture Technique Is So Horrifying I Can’t Believe It’s Real - OMG Facts
/end-warning

Psychologists Shielded U.S. Torture Program, Report Finds

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:48:46pm

re: #69 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson ,

Trump sure is a sadist isn’t he? Just because “they do it,” doesn’t justify us doing.

He wants to make America “great” the way Iraq was under Saddam or Syria under the Assads, before their civil war—brutal dictatorship perfectly willing to turn its weapons on its own citizens as with the Hama and Halabja massacres, the former being an attempt to rid Assad of bothersome (Sunni) Islamists, the latter act of genocide directed at Kurds.

This sort of fascist tyrants don’t give a damn about their laws or citizens, all they care about is maintaining power, and if you get in their way… Simply because Trump is a white Western male doesn’t make him immune to the shit we’ve seen in the Mideast & other places, all one has to do is look at Europe between WWI and WWI.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:50:57pm

re: #73 CuriousLurker

Trump is German…

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 12:59:27pm

re: #74 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump is German…

Not fair. The German people have owned their history, unlike us in many ways.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:01:18pm

Well, today was historical, for bad reasons.

One dies as ‘meteorite’ falls in Vellore

This is the first confirmed, direct death from a meteor.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:01:43pm

re: #75 allegro

Oh I know. Forgot /////// :)

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BeachDem  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:02:00pm

Tiny nonprofit veterans charity turns down $100,000 bribe to be props at Trump rally.

“The campaign utilizing the foundation to help support and promote campaign events is a potential legal problem for both the campaign and the Trump Foundation,” explained Larry Noble, general counsel at the Campaign Legal Center.

rawstory.com

Of course, sleazy Sarah’s friends at the questionable Puppy Jake group did just that, getting their check at a rally in Iowa.

Trump gave the check to the Puppy Jake Foundation during a campaign rally in Davenport, Iowa, with Liberty University President Jerry Falwell, Jr.

thehill.com

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Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:02:40pm

Kinda early for spring. From a couple hours ago.

Boss Hummingbird Surveys Domain
February Spring Weather
Flying Honeybee

On a technical note, the bee shots were right at minimum focus distance, and at 5.6 which is wide open on that 400 mm lens. In one shot the bee flew just out of focus leaving a sharp flower behind. I have been learning some things from a lens technician who works on all kinds of camera lenses. In theory that’s where a lens is at its sharpest. Not middling distance and an aperture like 8 or 11. A tripod was not an option so I went for a fast shutter. 1/4000th sec.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:14:33pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

Okay, you’re getting scary good at this now… Beautiful shots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:15:58pm
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Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:19:49pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

Thanks much. Practice right?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:19:57pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

On a technical note, the bee shots were right at minimum focus distance, and at 5.6 which is wide open on that 400 mm lens. […] In theory that’s where a lens is at its sharpest. Not middling distance and an aperture like 8 or 11. A tripod was not an option so I went for a fast shutter. 1/4000th sec.

Is that just for long lenses or any lens?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:23:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:23:54pm
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Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:25:00pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

I’m told any lens. From consumer to cinema. Wide to long. Something about how the lens elements are grouped. Suddenly I understand why my 60 mm would be sharper the closer I got. Essentially if that’s not the sharp sweet spot the lens needs service, maybe shims to get the back focus exactly on. It gets even more arcane from there.

It also explains the quality of some cell phone cam shots. Darn near a pinhole camera anyway, and then its usually used as close as can be managed. One of those “aha” moments for me.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:26:48pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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I think it means Obama wants to return America back to a time before Republicans fucked it up by all the Tax Cuts for the Rich.

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:27:33pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Is that just for long lenses or any lens?

Theoretically, for a close-to-ideal optical system, the size of the image from a point source of light depends only on the focal ratio (effective_focal_length / aperture).

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:27:40pm

re: #86 Great White Snark

Excellent info to have—thanks for sharing it. I’ll have to test it out with my lenses and see what happens (if the stupid snow would ever melt off *sigh*). Maybe I should just try it on something indoors when the light is good…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:29:10pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:29:50pm

re: #88 unproven innocence

Theoretically, for a close-to-ideal optical system, the size of the image from a point source of light depends only on the focal ratio (effective_focal_length / aperture).

The second half of that sentence went~~~*WHOOSH*~~~right over my head.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:32:21pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

The second half of that sentence went~~~*WHOOSH*~~~right over my head.

To clarify, I understand all the terms used, just not what they mean strung together like that.

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Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:33:59pm

re: #89 CuriousLurker

Yeah this is one of those “I was told” things, cause a lot of her explanation went over my head. 23 year old single mom that is certified to work on lenses for top end cinema production. Young prodigy, I think she will wind up at Panavision.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:35:32pm

re: #93 Great White Snark

Sounds like she has a promising future. Best of luck to her.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:39:25pm

Is everyone watching the Superbowl or what?

So anyway, I stumbled upon these weird/crazy/funny cookie cutters (be sure you check out all of them) and decided to google the company, Fred & Friends. The stuff they sell is a riot.

And with that I have to go take the trash down to the dumpster before it gets dark. Ick.

BBL

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:40:39pm

He’s the author of yoisthisracist.com, so I wouldn’t get too excited..

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Great White Snark  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:43:15pm

re: #94 CuriousLurker

She and LWC got me wanting to really push some of my technical boundaries. Like setting up for anamorphic, or vertically compressed to get more detail and a certain look that provides. Or at least renting some of the really great glass that is out there. For lens design from a high end view i read through this link at Zeiss. These design concepts go across brands and are about functional designs. Macro or not, zoom, or not. Love this cutout

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:47:39pm

re: #97 Great White Snark

Thanks, I’ll check out the links. I’m sure you’ll be good at anything you set your mind to.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:47:56pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Look—measuring spoons for VB!!

These muffin tops baking cups cracked me up.

Okay, really going to take out the trash now. I swear.

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Nyet  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:49:12pm

Torturer is an enemy of mankind.

That’s all I have to say on the topic.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:54:15pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Look—measuring spoons for VB!!

These muffin tops baking cups cracked me up.

Okay, really going to take out the trash now. I swear.

I just found my favorite:

Details http://www.fredandfriends.com/kitchen/pizza-peddler/PIPED.html PIZZA PEDDLERpizza cutter he’s a bipedal pizza primate He glides through the cheese with the greatest of ease, all from the seat of his unicycle! Take hold of this cute monkey and watch him pedal his way through the crust and into your heart. He’s soft, washable silicone with a stainless steel wheel for real cutting power.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:57:49pm

heh

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CleverToad  Feb 7, 2016 • 1:59:09pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Look—measuring spoons for VB!!

These muffin tops baking cups cracked me up.

Okay, really going to take out the trash now. I swear.

re: #101 wrenchwench

I just found my favorite:

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This is a Very Dangerous Site, y’know.
Love the monkey cutter and the muffin tops. I am now sitting here telling myself I do NOT need a mug and manatee-shaped tea infuser when I don’t even drink tea…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:01:08pm
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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:05:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:10:25pm
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Kragar  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:12:35pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:12:36pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

The second half of that sentence went~~~*WHOOSH*~~~right over my head.

The aperture is the diameter of the lens or mirror of an optical imaging system. For a simple imaging system (such as a lens type telescope) the focal length is the distance from the lens to the image. Most simple cameras allow adjusting only the aperture (like an iris making ones pupil larger or smaller), while the focal length is unchanged.
F-number

Hope this helps: Diffraction-Limited Imaging hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

For example, if a telescope were made twice as large, doubling both aperture (ie, diameter of its lens or mirror) and focal length, the f-ratio would be unchanged. The size of the dots in the image would be unchanged. But a doubled focal length would also double the separation of those dots. My point was that for the middle image, the finite size of the dots in an image depends only on the f-ratio —assuming close-to-perfect optics.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:13:46pm

re: #107 Kragar

I’m trying to get her to say she’ll pray for me. I always love it when they do that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:14:27pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Look—measuring spoons for VB!!

These muffin tops baking cups cracked me up.

Okay, really going to take out the trash now. I swear.

Heh. I already have the measuring cups set.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:14:59pm

Sourdough baguettes

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:15:39pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Why even bother responding to an egg with 0 followers?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:16:18pm

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

Mmm. All you need is some aged cheddar and a nice Zinfandel.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:16:37pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

Inorite?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:17:28pm

This one however is no egg==>

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:17:45pm

So that Berniebot I mentioned last week had gone silent just before Iowa, leaving me with the assumption that the poor fellow’s whole world had been shattered. But no, he came back last night…and he’s gone Full-Metal Firebagger. Seems that Bernie dropping the act about this primary season being about “the issues” and turning it into a purity test has allowed the Berniebots to likewise cease trying to play up his paper-thin proposals and instead haul out the torches and pitchforks. In the tradition of insurgencies, they’ve decided if they can’t have the White House, then they’ll make sure Hillary can’t either.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:19:28pm

Bernie seems to think he’s above it, but he’s just another Politician when it comes down to it.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:19:57pm

I read the title as “On Donald Trump’s Enthusiastic Endorsement of Trump.”

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:23:15pm

re: #117 Tigger2

Bernie seems to think he’s above it, but he’s just another Politician when it comes down to it.

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I’ve really tried to avoid the bashing, but her answer was too realistic and complex for people who think in binary terms.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:36:08pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:37:33pm

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:37:41pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

The second half of that sentence went~~~*WHOOSH*~~~right over my head.

Better link: LENS DIFFRACTION & PHOTOGRAPHY
For interactive demo, scroll down to VISUAL EXAMPLE: APERTURE VS. PIXEL SIZE, and play with the down-arrow options.

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No Depression  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:41:02pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

At this point, I don’t think there’s any way in hell he’s going to win the nomination. I suspect that his most obnoxious fans are alienating a majority of the Democratic base.

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Botsplainer  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:42:16pm

Somebody needs to go through the Nuremburg judgments on torturers and the wagers of aggressive war, reminding Trump of what happens when you cross those lines.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:44:33pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

I will be watching Downton Abbey.

Oh by the way what is this “Super Bowl” thingy. ////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:45:31pm

David Fry is uploading videos again. If he wasn’t exhibiting mental issues before, he definitely is now.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:45:51pm

re: #123 No Depression

At this point, I don’t think there’s any way in hell he’s going to win the nomination. I suspect that his most obnoxious fans are alienating a majority of the Democratic Party.

Still a long way to September, and anything can happen. I don’t think he will manage to win the nomination, but that instead has left me worrying about the damage his Firebaggers will do between now and November.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:46:07pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

I’d still rather have him than anyone other than Clinton in office. And I think only a few of his supporters are nuts enough not to support Clinton if she’s the nominee. I also think a lot of his stuff is just nomination rhetoric.

I do have issues with him that I don’t with Clinton that makes me support her. But there’s nothing that’ll keep me home.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:46:19pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

re: #103 CleverToad

This is a Very Dangerous Site, y’know.
Love the monkey cutter and the muffin tops. I am now sitting here telling myself I do NOT need a mug and manatee-shaped tea infuser when I don’t even drink tea…

Tell me about it. I’m gonna force myself to wait for my boss’ birthday in August, then for sure she’s getting something from there.

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Tigger2  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:46:58pm

re: #123 No Depression

At this point, I don’t think there’s any way in hell he’s going to win the nomination. I suspect that his most obnoxious fans are alienating a majority of the Democratic base.

I really liked Bernie at the first but some of the things he has said and some of his base have pushed me away I support Hillary now. I never felt the Bern like some of his followers like to say, but I was considering him at first.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:48:13pm

Moore is a HUGE Bernie supporter, so it’s nice to see this:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:48:44pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something of a backhanded compliment, but still…

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Botsplainer  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:49:06pm

re: #46 Aunty Entity Dragon

I noticed even Ted wasn’t eager to let troops in the field do improv “enhanced interrogation”. He wants to limit it to paid contractors.

It is worth noting that Iraqi detainees were not just abused at Abu Ghraib. Field techniques for questioning included strapping suspects over a hot Humvee engine, simulated executions (Colonel Allen West) and old fashioned use of a baseball bat.

Can we have a national registry of the sort of people who would DO some of this stuff? They’re not people I want as neighbors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:49:53pm

What I learned today on the internet:
There is a place called Slicklizard, Alabama.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:52:25pm

re: #108 unproven innocence

Got it now—I knew the stuff in the first paragraph, but that second paragraph made the ratio part clear. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Math is my mortal enemy, so anything that looks like it’s even remotely related to it causes my eyes to immediately glaze over and my brain to shut down, heh.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:53:53pm

::: reading manual for new phones :::

I got a new phone system today. Panasonic multi-handset with link to cell and bluetooth. It also allows me to block up to 250 numbers. My old one only did 30. It has its own battery backup for when the power goes out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:56:52pm

re: #136 PhillyPretzel

::: reading manual for new phones :::

I got a new phone system today. Panasonic multi-handset with link to cell and bluetooth. It also allows me to block up to 250 numbers. My old one only did 30.

I have an ancient GoPhone, that I rarely use (mostly because cell service is pretty non-existence here in the Backwoods and most of the rest of the county).
AT&T just sent me a message saying they are phasing out 2G and everything here will be 3G and 4G by the end of the year.
So I have to buy a new phone.
:(

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sagehen  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:59:07pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

If it comes down to a choice between Bernie and any of the R contenders we’ve seen onstage… I’d groan and bitch about it while voting Bernie. If it’s Hillary, I’ll feel good enough about it. When it was Obama, I smiled and bounced while in line to vote.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 2:59:15pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

My cell phone is an Apple iPhone 5S. According to the instructions I can link it with the new landline. Since I am just learning this new one I will hold off on the “fancy” stuff.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:00:12pm

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

This one however is no egg==>

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Shorter Dana:
FUCK THEM AFTER THEY’RE BORN!!1!

(Actually, they also want to deny prenatal care, so that doesn’t work either.)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:01:39pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

I will be watching Downton Abbey.

Oh by the way what is this “Super Bowl” thingy. ////

Some football game they’re playing between new fancy commercials.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:02:59pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

David Fry is uploading videos again. If he wasn’t exhibiting mental issues before, he definitely is now.

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Wow, no kidding. He’s totally in La-La Land. If the “good people” (as he defines them) are really in charge of the country, then why are they letting him sit there and rot in his little hidey-hole? Interesting that he thinks the rest of us evil ones don’t have guns. If any of them actually believe that and tried to act on it, they’d be in for a nasty surprise.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:06:49pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

I will be watching Downton Abbey.

Oh by the way what is this “Super Bowl” thingy. ////

It is an event at which Steelers are spectators.

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Nojay UK  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:06:58pm

re: #142 CuriousLurker

Interesting that he thinks the rest of us evil ones don’t have guns. If any of them actually believe that and tried to act on, they’d be in for a nasty surprise.

Orson Scott Card wrote a book a few years ago where the downfall of America was due to a secret sixth column of hundreds of thousands of liberals with guns. The stalwart conservative hero of the book seemed to think this was cheating in some way, a subversion of the Second Amendment the Founding Fathers hadn’t anticipated.

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sagehen  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:07:03pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

I will be watching Downton Abbey.

Oh by the way what is this “Super Bowl” thingy. ////

Until Downton starts, try the Puppy Bowl (on Animal Planet channel). I have my money on Team Fluff… Team Ruff isn’t as tough as they’d have you think.

The halftime show is kittens. The cheerleaders are parrots.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:08:12pm

TBI tip of the day week month year:

Aerobic exercise releases a hormone that promotes the growth of neurons.

This one’s for real. I went to a new Primary Care Physician this week, and she had a psychologist ‘shadowing’ her for the day, so with permission, he sat in on the exam, which was mostly verbal. At the end he made comments about how impressed he is by my exercise ‘program’, and gave me the above insight. Then he and the physician asked me whether I had ever considered counseling. Either they’re promoting their practice’s mental health component (upstairs), or they generally recommend it for TBI patients, or I should think about it. We all agreed that it couldn’t hurt.

My brain no longer feels like it is sloshing around in my head. Either it grew into a better fit, or my skull shrank, or something. I still feel funny when I walk, but I have the sense that what I’ve been saying all along is actually true: I’ll either get better or I’ll get used to it.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:08:20pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

What I learned today on the internet:
There is a place called Slicklizard, Alabama.

I remember LOL years ago when I was riding a Greyhound bus and discovered there were towns with names like Bee Lick, Kentucky and Bucksnort, Tennessee. That was about 20 years ago, and the names stuck with me all this time, heh.

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gocart mozart  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:09:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:14:25pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #147 CuriousLurker

PA has a list of names for cities that most folks do not believe exist. Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Paradise and quite a few more. PA road maps make for some interesting reading.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:18:40pm

re: #147 CuriousLurker

I remember LOL years ago when I was riding a Greyhound bus and discovered there were towns with names like Bee Lick, Kentucky and Bucksnort, Tennessee. That was about 20 years ago, and the names stuck with me all this time, heh.

Rabbit Hash is a real town in Kentucky.
They have elected dogs as mayor since since 1998. The current mayor is a border collie name Lucy Lou.
She’s running for president now:
cincinnati.com

And she has a Facebook page:
facebook.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:18:44pm
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:18:54pm

re: #14 allegro

I think the boos he got last night was a true reflection of just how hated he is in the GOP. Yes, he’s polling higher than any other individual candidate but he’s never topped about 30%. Among the other 70% are those who can’t stand the obnoxious fraud and rude ass bully.

As opposed to the other GOP candidates who are frauds but not obnoxious and bullies but not rude about it.

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:21:13pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Video

Reminds me of learning to walk. Mastering the stairs came first.

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Snarknado!  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:21:48pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

Two words. Supreme Court.

(But I don’t think he’ll be the nominee.)

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Kragar  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:23:07pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:25:56pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Rape victim’s opinion doesn’t matter.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:30:05pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Continuing the mindset that women, once pregnant, are little more than walking incubators.

You’ll never hear the media ask the logical follow-up questions, which is “What support will you offer to those victims who carry to term? And will you support them after the child is born?” The answers being “Nothing” and “Never.” The only thing that matters is that the pregnancy is carried to term. Beyond that, you’re SOL.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:30:40pm

oops

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:30:59pm

Lady Gaga is seriously rocking the Star Spangled Banner. Just beautiful.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:31:46pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Prior to this week, I’d said before that I would be willing to vote for Bernie if it came to down him versus any Republican in November. Now? Now I’m beginning to seriously question if I’m prepared to jump in bed with the liberal version of the Tea Baggers.

I know the bernie folks come across as obnoxious as all hell, but uh… really? Sanders is in no way as crazy fucked up as ANY of this current crop of GoP. Not even close.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:31:55pm

Lady Gaga killed it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:31:56pm

re: #160 allegro

Lady Gaga is seriously rocking the Star Spangled Banner. Just beautiful.

I wish personally it wasn’t turned into performance art. It’s a group participation thing.

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unproven innocence  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:32:11pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

oops

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Beware of those cut-rate temporary parking deals.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:33:18pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aw, what a cute Crestie!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:33:50pm

Okay I give gaga credit, that was a pretty good rendition.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:34:47pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

Lady Gaga killed it.

The Blue Angels jetting over on the last note was perfect! Way cool.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:36:01pm

re: #150 PhillyPretzel

PA has a list of names for cities that most folks do not believe exist. Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Paradise and quite a few more. PA road maps make for some interesting reading.

Paradise used to be a town in Kentucky, but Mr Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:39:42pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Making rape an acceptable method for increasing your representation in the gene pool. Nice going, Rubio.

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b_sharp  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:41:16pm

So. Who’s winning the USian version of the Grey Cup?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:41:35pm

re: #150 PhillyPretzel

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:41:39pm

Found a Zippo lighter today while walking along the river trail in Philly today. In working order too. No idea how to even really go about trying to find the owner.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:43:33pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

Found a Zippo lighter today while walking along the river trail in Philly today. In working order too. No idea how to even really go about trying to find the owner.

If it’s unengraved, you’re the owner.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:43:48pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

LOLOLOLOL

I remember being in Gnaw Bone and French Lick Indiana in my youth. Have also driven by the exit for Santa Claus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:44:10pm

“We heard there’s a Superb Owl that everyone’s watching today! Can we borrow your TV?”

Hoo’s playing this year?
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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:44:47pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

Found a Zippo lighter today while walking along the river trail in Philly today. In working order too. No idea how to even really go about trying to find the owner.

Can’t help with the owner, but if you compare the Zippo logo on the bottom to the very distinct foramat matrices on the Intertubes you can date it pretty accurately.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:45:24pm

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

I remember being in Gnaw Bone and French Lick Indiana in my youth. Have also driven by the exit for Santa Claus.

Besides, Boring, Oregon has Drain, near Curtain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:45:53pm

re: #150 PhillyPretzel

PA has a list of names for cities that most folks do not believe exist. Bird-in-hand, Intercourse, Paradise and quite a few more. PA road maps make for some interesting reading.

As Dad used to day, “Louisiana may have a Streetcar Named Desire, but Pennsylvania has a bus called Intercourse!”

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:47:10pm

re: #155 Snarknado!

Two words. Supreme Court.

(But I don’t think he’ll be the nominee.)

Let’s think about that for a sec. There’s been agreement that Bernie will have short or no coattails if the nominee, which is going to hurt the DNC in its efforts to try to take back the Senate this year. Does anyone believe for a second that, faced with a President Sanders, the GOP wouldn’t simply filibuster every single nominee he put up, in the hopes that they could keep those spots on the bench empty until either he relented or the 2020 elections?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:47:38pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Besides, Boring, Oregon has Drain, near Curtain.

We live a short drive from Two Egg, FL.

twoeggfla.com

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Scout  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:48:33pm

I was watching the Super Bow pregame show and there was a commercial for Hyundai.

It had a white male American designing their latest super car.

I know I should be used to this kind of thing, but it still depresses the hell out of me, for many different reasons.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:49:36pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Can’t help with the owner, but if you compare the Zippo logo on the bottom to the very distinct foramat matrices on the Intertubes you can date it pretty accurately.

Interesting. Nov, 2015 production - so someone might have lost a Xmas gift. Nothing engraved on it either. I have another Zippo about somewhere and I should see what the markings indicate about it.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:50:00pm

I just remembered another PA town with an odd name. Blue Ball. There also is a Blue Bell too.

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CleverToad  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:50:09pm

Not a major football fan, but my little old mother is glued to the set. Insists on muting the commercials, though, so let me know if there’s any memorable ones. General consensus of the Broncos fans I know seems to be ‘Please, let it be a game instead of a blow-out…’ Would like to see Peyton win, but hoping he has the good sense to retire while he’s still able to walk.

This is the best thing I’ve seen today, courtesy of XKCD via Facebook:

wisdom and snacks
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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:51:31pm

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

Interesting. Nov, 2015 production - so someone might have lost a Xmas gift. Nothing engraved on it either. I have another Zippo about somewhere and I should see what the markings indicate about it.

You could use the mfr date to help validate claims if you advertise it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:52:00pm

The apartments.com guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum whenever I see him. Or is that actually Jeff Goldblum?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:52:01pm

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

Here is the zippo website. You might get some information from them. zippo.com

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:52:51pm

re: #186 Feline Fearless Leader

The apartments.com guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum whenever I see him. Or is that actually Jeff Goldblum?

It is indeed Goldblum.

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WhatEVs  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:54:09pm

re: #186 Feline Fearless Leader

The apartments.com guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum whenever I see him. Or is that actually Jeff Goldblum?

It is Jeff Goldblum. I saw a “making it” video on the spot.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:55:09pm

re: #186 Feline Fearless Leader

The apartments.com guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum whenever I see him. Or is that actually Jeff Goldblum?

That is him. Love that guy.

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fern01  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:55:40pm

re: #156 Kragar

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I’m wondering how any woman would approach the discussion with her child “Your father raped me”. Single parents usually do their best to give their child a positive viewpoint of the missing parent. No idea how this one could ever be discussed.

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Jenner7  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:56:13pm

re: #160 allegro

She did a great job. And looked great it glittery red eye shadow.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:56:21pm

re: #190 allegro

That is him. Love that guy.

Aaaaand it was him playing the piano. He’s an excellent jazz pianist.

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WhatEVs  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:56:43pm

re: #191 fern01

I’m wondering how any woman would approach the discussion with her child “Your father raped me”. Single parents usually do their best to give their child a positive viewpoint of the missing parent. No idea how this one could ever be discussed.

He died. That’s how I’d do it. Maybe tell the child when they’re an adult. Maybe.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:57:43pm

re: #194 WhatEVs

He died. That’s how I’d do it. Maybe tell the child when they’re an adult. Maybe.

Would get complex and ugly if he claimed visitation rights. Which I believe has happened in a few cases already.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:57:51pm

re: #191 fern01

I’m wondering how any woman would approach the discussion with her child “Your father raped me”. Single parents usually do their best to give their child a positive viewpoint of the missing parent. No idea how this one could ever be discussed.

Yeah, hey kid, you were conceived in a traumatically violent violation of my body and I didn’t want a child. Wecome to the fucking world.

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:57:56pm

re: #189 WhatEVs

It is Jeff Goldblum. I saw a “making it” video on the spot.

re: #190 allegro

That is him. Love that guy.

I saw him on an apartments.com billboard down the street from my house when it went up a few months ago and did a double-take myself.

He also plays a similar character in a recent ad campaign for GE Lighting.

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:58:20pm

re: #186 Feline Fearless Leader

The apartments.com guy reminds me of Jeff Goldblum whenever I see him. Or is that actually Jeff Goldblum?

Yes, that was him. Some spot that was.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:58:24pm
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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:58:55pm

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Would get complex and ugly if he claimed visitation rights. Which I believe has happened in a few cases already.

Rapist have co-parenting rights in a number of states, IIRC.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:59:03pm

re: #197 TedStriker

I saw him on an apartments.com billboard down the street from my house when it went up a few months ago and did a double-take myself.

He also plays a similar character in a recent ad campaign for GE Lighting.

I’ve seen the billboards on-and-off over the past 4-5 months. First time I’ve seen a live commercial.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 3:59:43pm

re: #198 makeitstop

Yes, that was him. Some spot that was.

I wonder how many people the Jeffersons references went totally over the head of.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:00:32pm

re: #163 Feline Fearless Leader

I wish personally it wasn’t turned into performance art. It’s a group participation thing.

That song really hasn’t been group participation in a while. To sing it properly, you need a range most people don’t have.

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:00:53pm

The Audi commercial with ‘Starman’ was lovely.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:01:08pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

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And we get David Bowie right off.

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allegro  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:01:34pm

re: #204 makeitstop

The Audi commercial with ‘Starman’ was lovely.

Kinda choked me up. Beautiful.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:02:39pm

re: #203 Belafon

That song really hasn’t been group participation in a while. To sing it properly, you need a range most people don’t have.

True. But the “performance” variants since Whitney Houston have made even trying to sing along simply impossible since you don’t know where and how much they are going to stretch any particular part.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:02:53pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

Let’s think about that for a sec. There’s been agreement that Bernie will have short or no coattails if the nominee, which is going to hurt the DNC in its efforts to try to take back the Senate this year. Does anyone believe for a second that, faced with a President Sanders, the GOP wouldn’t simply filibuster every single nominee he put up, in the hopes that they could keep those spots on the bench empty until either he relented or the 2020 elections?

Or the Republicans fill them immediately. The choice is still to vote for Sanders.

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WhatEVs  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:03:28pm

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Would get complex and ugly if he claimed visitation rights. Which I believe has happened in a few cases already.

Honestly, if that happened to me, I’d kill him. I’ve been raped. It took years (more like a couple of decades) to deal with it. If someone who raped me claimed parental rights, I’d happily go to prison knowing he’d never influence my kid.

And if I lived in one of those “rapists have parents rights” states, I’d hope that my incarceration would change the law.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:03:49pm

THAT WAS CREEPY

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makeitstop  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:04:05pm

WTF??? Mountain Dew wins the weird contest.

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Jenner7  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:04:28pm

What am I watching??

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WhatEVs  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:05:22pm

re: #198 makeitstop

Yes, that was him. Some spot that was.

Fucking Canada. No commercials. :-(

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fern01  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:11:47pm

re: #194 WhatEVs

He died. That’s how I’d do it. Maybe tell the child when they’re an adult. Maybe.

I couldn’t tell him/her. I’ve seen too many children living with single mothers who want to tell you about their Dad - how great he is & what he does.

But sooner or later - someone else will tell the child - cause lots of folks will know about it. When I was young, children of unmarried women were often raised as the child of their grandparents. There was always another child in the locality who would tell them of their parentage.

It is obscene that anyone would expect a woman to carry her rapist’s child. I can almost put it alongside torture. What is happening to the American right is beyond help.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:20:09pm

re: #205 Feline Fearless Leader

And we get David Bowie right off.

I remember when I first heard Zep for Cadillac. UGH

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:20:39pm

re: #183 PhillyPretzel

I just remembered another PA town with an odd name. Blue Ball. There also is a Blue Bell too.

According to a plaque on Germantown Pike, Blue Bell used to be called Pidgeontown.
BTW one of my classmates was trying to describe where she lived in Jersey when they were organizing a carpool, so she said “you know Winona? (town is spelled Wenonnah)” I couldn’t stop myself and said “Yeah, she’s the fat one.”

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Snarknado!  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:20:58pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

Let’s think about that for a sec. There’s been agreement that Bernie will have short or no coattails if the nominee, which is going to hurt the DNC in its efforts to try to take back the Senate this year. Does anyone believe for a second that, faced with a President Sanders, the GOP wouldn’t simply filibuster every single nominee he put up, in the hopes that they could keep those spots on the bench empty until either he relented or the 2020 elections?

I’m late, but better that than a Repub appointee.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2016 • 4:50:04pm

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

I remember being in Gnaw Bone and French Lick Indiana in my youth. Have also driven by the exit for Santa Claus.

Gnaw Bone is near Needmore.


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