New Hampshire Primary Live-Blog Open Thread
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Here’s an open thread to keep track of the results now starting to come in from the New Hampshire primaries.
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We already know about Dixville-Notch and Hart’s Location from this morning. How much of a percentage are they using now?
re: #1 Decider
This could turn it around for Jim Gilmore!
“@DecisionDeskHQ GILMORE GOT VOTES!!” pic.twitter.com/3B1rKfWmgc
— Parker Briden (@parkerwbriden) February 10, 2016
Wasn’t our boy the Rage Furby supposed to be on his way to Australia today?
So how come he’s still posting to Facebook? He just posted a link to the white supremacists at VDARE again.
Carson running behind Carly.
I just had a thought…for a few elections the left/liberal/progressive/democrat side of things have been poking fun at how the conservative wingnuts have been bitching during the same time frame about their candidates are not conservative enough.
Here we are looking at something very similar on the left side of the political spectrum. Hillary is not ‘enough’ and Bernie might be.
Is it wrong that I don’t care who wins as much as I want to see who drops out?
Eeeeeeeew!
Bloomberg’s gotta be feeling it right now.
— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) February 10, 2016
Just heard an exit interview with a voter on NPR.
He was torn between Hillary & Bernie right up until he got to the booth.
Voted for Bernie.
Paraphrase, “It was like the last vestige of my youthful idealism won out.”
Heh.
LOL. I’m tempted to sign up at quitter.se just to ruin this moron’s day.
Best part about quitter.se? No @Green_Footballs
— Bolt Vanderhuge (@Blast_Thickneck) February 10, 2016
A traffic jam keeps polls open in Merrimack, New Hampshire #FITN #NHPrimary https://t.co/ibD24qsGnT pic.twitter.com/D57vDNqUGE
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) February 10, 2016
Megyn Kelly, woman of the people. #FITN https://t.co/J0kvra1vLw pic.twitter.com/PdeSRG2iOa
— Wonkette (@Wonkette) February 10, 2016
Trump, Donald GOP 720 41%
Cruz, Ted GOP 188 11%
Kasich, John GOP 174 10%
Bush, Jeb GOP 168 10%
Rubio, Marco GOP 157 9%
Christie, Chris GOP 132 7%
Witz, Richard GOP 80 5%
Fiorina, Carly GOP 63 4%
Carson, Ben GOP 44 2%
Total Write-ins GOP 25 1%
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Dick Witz is beating Carly! Who is Dick Witz?
re: #12 Stanley Sea
Damnit, people need to stop being idealistic here, and care about who is more viable in the general.
re: #13 Charles Johnson
That sounds great. /half
re: #15 The Vicious Babushka
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Here’s a thought, Megyn.
Why not question WHY THE FRAK THERE IS ONLY ONE PLACE TO VOTE THERE?
Ahem.
re: #12 Stanley Sea
Just heard an exit interview with a voter on NPR.
He was torn between Hillary & Bernie right up until he got to the booth.
Voted for Bernie.
Paraphrase, “It was like the last vestige of my youthful idealism won out.”
Heh.
LOL. Clearly never divorced.
re: #16 gocart mozart
Trump, Donald GOP 720 41%
Cruz, Ted GOP 188 11%
Kasich, John GOP 174 10%
Bush, Jeb GOP 168 10%
Rubio, Marco GOP 157 9%
Christie, Chris GOP 132 7%
Witz, Richard GOP 80 5%
Fiorina, Carly GOP 63 4%
Carson, Ben GOP 44 2%
Total Write-ins GOP 25 1%
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Dick Witz is beating Carly! Who is Dick Witz?
You ask me, they’re all dick wits.
re: #8 Schroedinger’s Dog
Is it wrong that I don’t care who wins as much as I want to see who drops out?
I think it is a given who the winners are going to be, the story is how the losers fare.
re: #12 Stanley Sea
Just heard an exit interview with a voter on NPR.
He was torn between Hillary & Bernie right up until he got to the booth.
Voted for Bernie.
Paraphrase, “It was like the last vestige of my youthful idealism won out.”
Heh.
Indeed……. Not that I’m there, but I get it.
re: #15 The Vicious Babushka
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Ah, the idea that we’re all independently wealthy and can just leave our jobs at whatever-the-fuck-o’clock to vote when there’s no lines.
re: #14 The Vicious Babushka
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Starting to remind me of 2008 voting issues here in Columbus. I was in the school that had two wards of the city voting until about 9:00 PM. I originally was in the polling place at 6:15. It sucked bad. But at least I wasn’t stuck in traffic and burning up gas to keep the heat going.
re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White
How about knit-witz? /
re: #17 Ziggy_TARDIS
Damnit, people need to stop being idealistic here, and care about who is more viable in the general.
Viability in the general election is a difficult thing to predict. By all the normal rules, Hillary Clinton is more viable than Bernie Sanders in the general.
However, what if the normal rules end up not applying?
re: #16 gocart mozart
“Richard P. H. Witz, Spencer, Massachusetts,” the ballot line reads.
Yes, the 73-year-old retired Needham school custodian has thrown his hat into the presidential ring, he confirmed Monday. He paid the $1,000 filing fee and is one of 30 candidates listed on the GOP ballot in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary.
Heh, he is ahead of Carson and Fiorina. telegram.com
re: #23 b.d.
I think it is a given who the winners are going to be, the story is how the losers fare.
If the present situation holds? Rubio just took a shot in the ass. Polled third in Iowa, then fifth in New Hampshire behind the two guys that everybody thought last week were dead in the water? Even if you argue that New Hampshire is a blip, it’s a pretty big fucking blip.
re: #15 The Vicious Babushka
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Every extra minute that Megyn has to work that desk is another minute of her telling people that Donald Trump routed the field, I’d imagine she would like to go home early
It’s a shame to see respected newspapers & websites print that offensive five-letter word that has infected our politics as of late.
Trump.— John Dingell (@JohnDingell) February 10, 2016
At the gym tonight there was a guy wearing a Trump “Make America Great Again” shirt. First time I’ve ever seen one in real life.
Cruz finished 5th. Rage Furby is going lose his shit. hahah
re: #25 Targetpractice
Ah, the idea that we’re all independently wealthy and can just leave our jobs at whatever-the-fuck-o’clock to vote when there’s no lines.
It really is disgusting that Republican vote-suppression gets so little attention from the media. I don’t expect anything from Megyn Kelly or any other Fox News ‘mouth of Sauron’, but the rest of the media could start doing their damn jobs for once.
America’s ready to risk it, they’ve decided and they’re voting for brisket!
Well, that didn’t take long.
CNN projects Trump and Sanders have won GOP and Democratic #NHPrimary. Follow: https://t.co/VUfLqK3k1P. pic.twitter.com/BuAPT7F1HT
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) February 10, 2016
Last week, Rubio was the establishment candidate, the guy who could pick up the votes that thought Cruz and Trump were too crazy. This week? He’s gonna be the guy who burned out on a debate stage in New Hampshire.
So, CBS headlines with the 8pm lede that Trump wins; Bernie defeats Hillary.
With under 10% of the vote tallied so far.
re: #27 PhillyPretzel
How about knit-witz? /
Mrs. FBW’s Mom was an elementary school teacher, whose class was hit with the dreaded Head Lice. Teachers were instructed to look through the students hair for the telltale signs - head louse eggs, aka ‘nits’. Being a germphobe, she couldn’t bring herself to touch them, so instead she employed a pair of small tools she used in a yarn-based craft.
Young Mrs. FBW christened them ‘Nitting Needles’.
re: #16 gocart mozart
Did you notice Vermin Supreme on the DEM side??
re: #16 gocart mozart
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Dick Witz is beating Carly! Who is Dick Witz?
The plural of dick wit?
re: #29 gocart mozart
Heh, he is ahead of Carson and Fiorina. telegram.com
So I only need $1000 dollars?
re: #39 lawhawk
So, CBS headlines with the 8pm lede that Trump wins; Bernie defeats Hillary.
With under 10% of the vote tallied so far.
I suppose it would be in bad taste to suggest that Bernie waits until the results are all in before declaring victory…
re: #29 gocart mozart
Heh, he is ahead of Carson and Fiorina. telegram.com
Yeah, but if she’d been in the debate last week, she’d be KILLING IT!!!
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re: #39 lawhawk
So, CBS headlines with the 8pm lede that Trump wins; Bernie defeats Hillary.
With under 10% of the vote tallied so far.
People still in line
re: #45 Targetpractice
I suppose it would be in bad taste to suggest that Bernie waits until the results are all in before declaring victory…
Meh, it’s NH.
If he really didn’t do well here then he would be truly screwed.
re: #37 The Vicious Babushka
Well, that didn’t take long.
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Trump should make his winner’s speech RIGHT NOW.
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re: #38 Targetpractice
He burned out because he showed less personality than a Cyberman.
…would make a better president than Donald Trump#GOPDebate#VoteBlueNoMatterWho #UniteBlue #TopProg #p2 #DumpTrump pic.twitter.com/UWLvEiLJmx
re: #45 Targetpractice
I suppose it would be in bad taste to suggest that Bernie waits until the results are all in before declaring victory…
There will be gloating.
re: #52 ObserverArt
There will be gloating.
There will be, very likely from the people who screeched like scalded cats last week because “Hillary declared victory before the voting was finished!” and have spent the last week suggesting that her doing so put the Iowa DNC under pressure to give the victory to her to save face.
re: #38 Targetpractice
Last week, Rubio was the establishment candidate, the guy who could pick up the votes that thought Cruz and Trump were too crazy. This week? He’s gonna be the guy who burned out on a debate stage in New Hampshire.
Rubio’s performance in this primary will pretty much be the only news of the night, since Trump and Sanders as the winners is no surprise at all.
re: #29 gocart mozart
Heh, he is ahead of Carson and Fiorina. telegram.com
Cheese whiz should be ahead of them.
re: #38 Targetpractice
Last week, Rubio was the establishment candidate, the guy who could pick up the votes that thought Cruz and Trump were too crazy. This week? He’s gonna be the guy who burned out on a debate stage in New Hampshire.
So Christie helped…someone—Trump for now.
re: #57 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Confusion at Jeb! headquarters. His supporters as surprised as everyone else that they are still in the game.
Bernie says it ain’t over till it’s over
The media says we’re going to win but we can’t take anything for granted. Please, stay in line and practice democracy. Every vote matters.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 10, 2016
Nevada and South Carolina up next.
Hope Bernie’s most vocal supporters are prepared for the upcoming carnage.
re: #58 Dr. Matt
Trump “wins”……..with 33% of the vote. Bravo.
Guaranteeing that he will call Cruz “Motherfucker” at his next town hall.
re: #63 Major Tom
Confusion at Jeb! headquarters. His supporters as surprised as everyone else that they are still in the game.
Probably both confusion and dismay. To me it looks like Jeb! has been looking for a place for his campaign to die for some time now.
re: #64 The Vicious Babushka
Bernie says it ain’t over till it’s over
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Indeed.
Keep voting everyone!
66% of NH Republicans are ok with banning Muslims.
42% of them voted for Trump.
re: #55 EPR-radar
Rubio’s performance in this primary will pretty much be the only news of the night, since Trump and Sanders as the winners is no surprise at all.
Dunno - Bush not doing terribly is also news…….but doesn’t help Rubio at all.
re: #45 Targetpractice
I suppose it would be in bad taste to suggest that Bernie waits until the results are all in before declaring victory…
When we stand together, we win. Thank you, New Hampshire! pic.twitter.com/dPV9qISkHO
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 10, 2016
re: #66 Decatur Deb
Guaranteeing that he will call Cruz “Motherfucker” at his next town hall.
I would love that.
re: #64 The Vicious Babushka
Bernie says it ain’t over till it’s over
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Good on him.
I’m getting 1976 vibrations. Carter over Kennedy. And I am remembering how that worked out.
“There you go again!”
Ugh.
re: #8 Schroedinger’s Dog
re: #16 gocart mozart
Trump, Donald GOP 720 41%
Cruz, Ted GOP 188 11%
Kasich, John GOP 174 10%
Bush, Jeb GOP 168 10%
Rubio, Marco GOP 157 9%
Christie, Chris GOP 132 7%
Witz, Richard GOP 80 5%
Fiorina, Carly GOP 63 4%
Carson, Ben GOP 44 2%
Total Write-ins GOP 25 1%
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Dick Witz is beating Carly! Who is Dick Witz?
Deez Nutz’s older brother.
Tired of the media’s need to call any race ASAP.
Let the damn process play out no matter how one sided it may be.
Sheesh.
So, how close does it have to be for the press to declare Hillary the REAL victor? Or do they only do that shit in one direction?
Maddow is about to go medieval on the token republican pundit.
re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White
So, how close does it have to be for the press to declare Hillary the REAL victor? Or do they only do that shit in one direction?
RON PAUL.
Rubio could still come in 2nd.
Currently Sanders is 13% ahead - 53-40. If it holds (probably won’t) I’d say that’s really good for Clinton.
Trump is ahead by 16 with about double Kasich - 33-17. Since Kasich has no chance, this result is fabulous news for Trump.
Republican
8% Reporting
Delegates Allocated: 0/23
D. Trump 34.4% 6,631
J. Kasich 16.1% 3,096
J. Bush 11.6% 2,244
T. Cruz 11.2% 2,158
M. Rubio 10.0% 1,928
C. Christie 7.9% 1,516
C. Fiorina 4.5% 864
B. Carson 2.1% 407
Total Write-ins 0.8% 161
R. Paul 0.6% 114
R. Witz 0.4% 84
R. Santorum 0.1% 16
M. Huckabee 0.1% 13
A. Martin 0.1% 12
J. Gilmore 0.0% 9
L. Graham 0.0% 8
B. Cullison 0.0% 4
T. Cook 0.0% 3
F. Lynch 0.0% 3
J. Robinson 0.0% 3
B. Jindal 0.0% 2
P. Messina 0.0% 2
D. Dyas 0.0% 1
W. Iwachiw 0.0% 1
R. Mann 0.0% 1
S. McCarthy 0.0% 1
G. Pataki 0.0% 1
C. Prag 0.0% 1
S. Comley 0.0% 0
M. Drozd 0.0% 0
K. Huey 0.0% 0
re: #82 guachi
Currently Sanders is 13% ahead - 53-40. If it holds (probably won’t) I’d say that’s really good for Clinton.
Trump is ahead by 16 with about double Kasich - 33-17. Since Kasich has no chance, this result is fabulous news for Trump.
56% - 42% now
re: #70 Danack
Dunno - Bush not doing terribly is also news…….but doesn’t help Rubio at all.
I can’t believe Bush’s performance can make any difference at all, except perhaps in spoiling things for others. His campaign is dead. It is not ‘pining for the fjords’.
However, I do think Bush would be greatly pleased if he ends up spoiling things for Rubio. If Bush can’t be the meat-puppet of the GOP establishment, then he sure as hell doesn’t want Rubio to get that job.
Did MSNBC lose a bet and have to take Steve Schmidt?
That guy is an idiot. An idiot who brought us Sarah Palin.
Did Steve get Michael Steele’s spot at MSNBC by locking him in a closet?
re: #83 Charles Johnson
It’s polar opposite time.
Maybe people will stop saying both parties are the same.
re: #82 guachi
Currently Sanders is 13% ahead - 53-40. If it holds (probably won’t) I’d say that’s really good for Clinton.
Trump is ahead by 16 with about double Kasich - 33-17. Since Kasich has no chance, this result is fabulous news for Trump.
If this holds, then Clinton has something to crow about, because she ate into his lead. It was never a question of whether he’d win, but by how much when the dust settled.
re: #87 EPR-radar
Kennebunkport is really close to New Hampshire.
re: #78 Dr. Matt
Maddow is about to go medieval on the token republican pundit.
Who is it? Not watching right now. Got a hockey game going.
LOL.
“The Democratic Party is completely splintered” — Concern troll Andrea Mitchell
re: #93 Dr. Matt
LOL.
“The Democratic Party is completely splintered” — Concern troll Andrea Mitchell
And the GOP is what then?
Vapor?
re: #93 Dr. Matt
LOL.
“The Democratic Party is completely splintered” — Concern troll Andrea Mitchell
Concern troll very concerned
re: #92 ObserverArt
Who is it? Not watching right now. Got a hockey game going.
Steve Schmidt, I guess Dick Morris was busy.
re: #29 gocart mozart
Damn, my new favorite Republican Dick Witz is down to 1% fighting for 9th place with Rand Paul. Santorum is still coming up the rear at 11th.
As I predicted yesterday:
Think Trump may eke out a win, with Kasich, Cruz, Rubio and Christie all within 3 points of each other. Christie will be 5th. Everyone else will be low single digits.
I imagine the percentages breaking out like this:
20
17
16
15
14
13leaving 5 points as scraps for the rest of the candidates. Just enough to give a few candidates hope, but not enough to suggest any strength. Jeb, Carly and Carson will be next to drop.
Trump went more than I figured.
Good dog, MSNBC is so fucking obnoxious. I’m turning off the TV and opening my bday gift (Macallan 18).
Thank you all for following and reporting. I can’t watch the media asshats anymore.
That they’re calling it with people still in line; that should be illegal. Full stop.
Anyone seen Ted Nugent’s Facebook page recently?
re: #82 guachi
Currently Sanders is 13% ahead - 53-40. If it holds (probably won’t) I’d say that’s really good for Clinton.
Trump is ahead by 16 with about double Kasich - 33-17. Since Kasich has no chance, this result is fabulous news for Trump.
Maybe so, but all Kasich needs to do is have the money to keep running* and get to Ohio. If he wins Ohio as a favorite son he holds some powerful cards in the Republican National Convention which also happens to be in Ohio.
*What happens if all of a sudden the big establishment money dudes decide after tonight Kasich is the sane establishment candidate with tons of experience in government and at being a dick and he is the way to go.
re: #102 Dr. Matt
Good dog, MSNBC is so fucking obnoxious. I’m turning off the TV and opening my bday gift (Macallan 18).
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
re: #102 Dr. Matt
Good dog, MSNBC is so fucking obnoxious. I’m turning off the TV and opening my bday gift (Macallan 18).
That’s the spirit!
I dumped the cable box some time ago.
TV just sucks.
In answer to my own question.
Looks like Steele has taking up the mantle of trolling the GOP folks who kicked him to the curb after a successful stint as GOP head.
I get the focus on who comes in 2nd, but if @realDonaldTrump wins #NewHampshirePrimary big,GOP must rethink a few things.
— Michael Steele (@MichaelSteele) February 10, 2016
re: #104 Dizzy
Speaking for myself, the answer will always be, “no.”
re: #93 Dr. Matt
LOL.
“The Democratic Party is completely splintered” — Concern troll Andrea Mitchell
So a contested 2 person race on the Democratic side is “splintered”?
What does that make the 11-ty dimensional pan-galactic cluster fuck on the GOP side? Especially when we note that the GOP front runner is a fascist buffoon.
Why don’t these media jackasses ever get real push back on their nonsense, preferably in rude language as above?
re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White
I hope you brought enough for everyone.
I wish I could send all of you some. this.is.so.damned.good.
Trump and Bernie won, so I expect the next week will be all about the ascendancy of “political outsiders” and the scare put in “the establishment” by them.
re: #102 Dr. Matt
Good dog, MSNBC is so fucking obnoxious. I’m turning off the TV and opening my bday gift (Macallan 18).
Hey! I’m having a birthday in a few months (shaking empty glass in front of you)
re: #97 b.d.
Steve Schmidt, I guess Dick Morris was busy.
re: #98 Dr. Matt
Steve Schmidt
Thanks. Interesting. Schmidt is a usual go to guy at MSNBC. Though I notice now that there is a real election going on he (along with Michael Steele) has become way more defensive of anything Republican…like Trump.
Mother hens on the eggs in the nest waiting for a hatch. Do not bother!
Checking in during my class break. So Bernie and Trump? How about second and third?
re: #101 Charles Johnson
Yep, Hillary has conceded.
Hardly surprising that NH went for the guy who lives in their back yard
re: #116 HappyWarrior
Checking in during my class break. So Bernie and Trump? How about second and third?
O’mally then Jesus. I know. Fourth.
Rubio in 5th would bring me much joy.
re: #117 Kragar
Hardly surprising that NH went for the guy who lives in their back yard
Bernie’s first real test will be in NV, electorate is much more diverse there.
Canada could have a dozen elections just in the time it takes you guys to figure out who’s going to be on the card.
No wonder you’re all crazy.
Even sadder we have debased morons like you eagerly embracing torture and war crimes. @cowgirl9471
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
re: #116 HappyWarrior
Checking in during my class break. So Bernie and Trump? How about second and third?
Those results will take much longer to come in. There’s a big gap between Trump and the second tier clowns, and these clowns are all pretty close to each other.
re: #121 b_sharp
Canada could have a dozen elections just in the time it takes you guys to figure out who’s going to be on the card.
No wonder you’re all crazy.
No shit, eh?
re: #121 b_sharp
Canada could have a dozen elections just in the time it takes you guys to figure out who’s going to be on the card.
No wonder you’re all crazy.
I resemble that remark!
re: #119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Rubio in 5th would bring me much joy.
Rubio beating Cruz would make Rage Furby very unhappy, which would make me smile.
re: #13 Charles Johnson
LOL. I’m tempted to sign up at quitter.se just to ruin this moron’s day.
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It’s fucking sad…
re: #125 EPR-radar
Those results will take much longer to come in. There’s a big gap between Trump and the second tier clowns, and these clowns are all pretty close to each other.
Gotcha. Well I’ll be home in a hour and a half for that. What a world we live in where Trump is 2 & 1.
re: #124 HappyWarrior
Nah meant GOP.
Kasich is doing well, Cruz and Bush are battling for maybe third, possibly second.
re: #121 b_sharp
Canada could have a dozen elections just in the time it takes you guys to figure out who’s going to be on the card.
No wonder you’re all crazy.
Then spend days refusing to claim victory to each other out of kindness?
Imagine if California were in the mix today… It’s always over by June. :-(
re: #133 Major Tom
Kasich is doing well, Cruz and Bush are battling for maybe third, possibly second.
So Rubio bot is 4th. Haw haw
re: #134 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Then spend days refusing to claim victory to each other out of kindness?
We have our own craziness.
re: #136 Great White Snark
Imagine if California was in the mix today… It’s always over by June. ;-(
It’d be nice to have it all on one day.
The announcement that’s sending shock waves of paranoia through RW Twitter: The Twitter Trust & Safety Council https://t.co/worX0Cwkka
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
re: #93 Dr. Matt
LOL.
“The Democratic Party is completely splintered” — Concern troll Andrea Mitchell
Oh, for fuck’s sake…
I hope someone makes her eat her damn words when Clinton cleans up in every other non-New England primary.
Also, Happy Birthday!
re: #136 Great White Snark
Imagine if California was in the mix today… It’s always over by June. ;-(
Primary season is a spectator sport for CA residents. I often blow the primary off, and don’t really feel too guilty about it.
re: #138 b_sharp
We have our own craziness.
Yeah, but thank dog, the election cycle in Canada is weeks, not years.
how about we hold off on What This Means For America until we have a primary/caucus with black/brown voters?
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) February 10, 2016
If you don’t get at least 10 percent of the vote, you get zero delegates.
Rubio is at 9.7 percent.
No kidding.
I really is something to see a media darling spin put out there so blatantly. I guess it’s because knows that a Trump nominee is the end of the party.
Really wish I’d wagered with the Smart People saying last week that Rubio would surge past a collapsing Trump.
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) February 10, 2016
re: #110 EPR-radar
Lemme get a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster and ruminate on that.
Oh yeah, it’s that the media needs to follow a narrative that the Democrats are broken but the GOP is doing well all because there’s so many candidates to choose from.
Or that Trump is going to falter eventually and the establishment candidate in Rubio will emerge, or some other such blather.
The GOP is a shit show.
Fiorina has twice as many votes as Carson. Maybe Cruz was just being a bit prophetic about Ben pulling out?
re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Trying to explain that to the Bernie Bros is an exercise in futility.
Yeah, Canadian elections are swift, but American elections are at least on a regular schedule. And we don’t have to worry that a falling out between Congressmen can mean the whole thing collapses and we’re back at the polls again.
Wow. Only 13% in, but currently 57% Sanders to 41% Clinton
Establishment Lane. Drink!
I take no small amount of pleasure in that Christie still got beat by Rubio, despite the fact that Christie thoroughly humiliated him on Saturday.
Good God, how I loathe the fact Christie is the governor of my state…
re: #156 Mattand
I take no small amount of pleasure in that Christie still got beat by Rubio, despite the fact that Christie thoroughly humiliated him on Saturday.
Good God, how I loathe the fact Christie is the governor of my state…
Robot>Christie.
re: #151 freetoken
Fiorina has twice as many votes as Carson. Maybe Cruz was just being a bit prophetic about Ben pulling out?
Ben’s getting more new clothes
re: #121 b_sharp
Canada could have a dozen elections just in the time it takes you guys to figure out who’s going to be on the card.
No wonder you’re all crazy.
And there is some of that gloating…although not what I had in mind in #52.
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Jeb! has opened a whopping lead of 242 votes over Cruz, for the bronze medal.
That’s what you get for $30 million.
re: #158 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Ben’s getting more new clothes
Ben’s gone to don his brown pants.
re: #151 freetoken
Fiorina has twice as many votes as Carson. Maybe Cruz was just being a bit prophetic about Ben pulling out?
Don’t speak of Republicans “pulling out”. That’s between a GOPer, his wife, and God.
re: #154 Major Tom
Wow. Only 13% in, but currently 57% Sanders to 41% Clinton
This is close to what was projected.
re: #160 freetoken
Jeb! has opened a whopping lead of 242 votes over Cruz, for the bronze medal.
That’s what you get for $30 million.
He certainly wins the ‘Most amount spent for so little to show’ award.
re: #153 Targetpractice
Yeah, Canadian elections are swift, but American elections are at least on a regular schedule. And we don’t have to worry that a falling out between Congressmen can mean the whole thing collapses and we’re back at the polls again.
Why would you think that can happen here?
re: #165 freetoken
I was reading/hearing reports of the Clinton campaign hoping to narrow the gap to single digits.
That was optimistic.
re: #159 ObserverArt
And there is some of that gloating…although not what I had in mind in #52.
Damn Canucks bustin’ on us like that. ///
Assholes, the lot of us.
Gah. My niece posted her dismay about Trump’s victory in NH. One of her friends said, “I actually think Trump will be better than what we’ve got.” It was all I could do not to ask whether she’d been dropped on her head as a child.
Hillary lost, but not as much as they thought, so it is a win!
re: #166 Not a Sparkly Vampire
He certainly wins the ‘Most amount spent for so little to show’ award.
If Jeb! manages to spoil the media driven ‘savior Rubio’ narrative, it may be his first act of public service in his entire career.
Republican
13.7% Reporting
Delegates Allocated: 0/23
D. Trump 33.9% 9,997
J. Kasich 16.2% 4,773
J. Bush 12.0% 3,523
T. Cruz 11.1% 3,281
M. Rubio 9.7% 2,872
C. Christie 7.9% 2,318
C. Fiorina 4.4% 1,304
B. Carson 2.2% 649
Total Write-ins 0.8% 231
Gilmore is seven below the write-ins with 15 total votes
Read more: politico.com
re: #171 Kent Dorfman
Hillary lost, but not as much as they thought, so it is a win!
No, it’s a loss.
You’re being silly.
Again.
re: #166 Not a Sparkly Vampire
He certainly wins the ‘Most amount spent for so little to show’ award.
Bob and Chez nailed it about Bush on their last show: they said after his “Please clap” comment, they imagine him like a hobo character from a Warner Brothers cartoon with forlorn violin music playing in the background.
re: #173 FormerDirtDart
You realize the last 10% will be reported by horse-drawn sledge.
re: #151 freetoken
Fiorina has twice as many votes as Carson. Maybe Cruz was just being a bit prophetic about Ben pulling out?
Don’t they know that pulling out doesn’t work?
re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White
Gah. My niece posted her dismay about Trump’s victory in NH. One of her friends said, “I actually think Trump will be better than what we’ve got.” It was all I could do not to ask whether she’d been dropped on her head as a child.
You might want to reconsider that. People like that really do need to be asked pointedly whether or not they are idiots.
Getting tired of hearing serious analysts on MSNBC say shit like Sanders’ support is low among blacks because they don’t yet know him or his record.
I mean, there’s seriously no good way to phrase that. Any way you slice it you’re ascribing ignorance to an entire population demographic.
— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) February 10, 2016
re: #165 freetoken
This is close to what was projected.
My out-of-my butt prediction was Sanders by 16. I think keeping Sanders anywhere in the 50s is a victory of sorts for Clinton.
Vermin Supreme Presidential campaign update. https://t.co/tpniYpGRMx pic.twitter.com/IlqcJpX1Kz
— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) February 10, 2016
re: #180 goddamnedfrank
Getting tired of hearing serious analysts on MSNBC say shit like Sanders’ support is low among blacks because they don’t yet know him or his record.
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Not to mention that is what the GOP says verbatim.
“Oh if they only understood our candidates/positions!”
Patronizing bullshit.
re: #179 EPR-radar
You might want to reconsider that. People like that really do need to be asked pointedly whether or not they are idiots.
If it were one of MY friends, I’d ask. Friend of my niece? Nah. She’s Rea’s problem.
re: #180 goddamnedfrank
Getting tired of hearing serious analysts on MSNBC say shit like Sanders’ support is low among blacks because they don’t yet know him or his record.
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No kidding. Sigh.
re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White
Gah. My niece posted her dismay about Trump’s victory in NH. One of her friends said, “I actually think Trump will be better than what we’ve got.” It was all I could do not to ask whether she’d been dropped on her head as a child.
This is why I keep saying that a President Trump or Cruz is well within possibility. There’s lot more like your niece’s friend out there. Our precious, precious independents; they couldn’t leave a burning building without examining both side of the issue:
A) I could burn to death
B) But fire is warm!
re: #183 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Not to mention that is what the GOP says verbatim.
“Oh if they only understood our candidates/posistions!”
Patronizing bullshit.
Exactly.
re: #177 Decatur Deb
You realize the last 10% will be reported by horse-drawn sledge.
Speaking of 10%, isn’t that the cutoff for delegate allocation?
That has to be concerning for Marco. 1 delegate is still a delegate
re: #180 goddamnedfrank
Political partisans often confuse “uninformed” with “unimpressed”. Some enthusiastic Sanders supporters are blatant examples of this.
re: #181 guachi
My out-of-my butt prediction was Sanders by 16. I think keeping Sanders anywhere in the 50s is a victory of sorts for Clinton.
Likely as valid as any of the polls or what the talking heads have told us.
Might be one of those days where I just filter Twitter heavily and put the heads-down time into writing, like I should be anyway. At least I got to watch the banner raising for Martin Brodeur’s jersey retirement ceremony.
re: #181 guachi
My out-of-my butt prediction was Sanders by 16. I think keeping Sanders anywhere in the 50s is a victory of sorts for Clinton.
If she dips to 39 it would be catastrophic.
Why Hillary Clinton shouldn’t get a pass on a New Hampshire loss https://t.co/wexOP3b4ya pic.twitter.com/O16seCk7tO
— Chris Cillizza (@TheFix) February 10, 2016
Are u under some illusion the media will give her a pass? https://t.co/6KgyKFBCjY
— brian doherty (@bwdoherty) February 10, 2016
As expected, the media are starting up with the outsider meme:
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Win the New Hampshire Primaries
Donald J. Trump and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont rocked the American political establishment on Tuesday night, harnessing working-class fury to surge to commanding victories in a New Hampshire primary that drew energetic turnout across the state.
re: #191 Major Tom
If she dips to 39 it would be catastrophic.
Much like a meteorite several kilometers wide, right?
Last week: “Sanders’ razor-thin loss is really a win because he narrowed the gap, Clinton should pack it in!”
This week: “Sanders totally blew Clinton out of the water, she should pack it in!”
In two weeks: “Hillary didn’t win by nearly enough, she should pack it in!”
re: #171 Kent Dorfman
Hillary lost, but not as much as they thought, so it is a win!
Enjoy your Trump Tartare.
re: #189 EPR-radar
Political partisans often confuse “uninformed” with “unimpressed”. Some enthusiastic Sanders supporters are blatant examples of this.
It’s just condescending crap. Support your candidate but don’t call people idiots.
re: #160 freetoken
He spent $30 million in NH. He spent on average nearly $8,100 per vote so far. Obviously, that figure will drop as the night wears on, but he would have been better off just giving every GOP voter $100 bucks. He might have done better that way.
re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Much like a meteorite several kilometers wide, right?
Well, we are being “rocked”.
Sometimes I look at photos i shot years ago, my perspective has changed. Maybe I have seen too many movies in 70mm? pic.twitter.com/UYvVzrUX5v
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) February 10, 2016
re: #15 The Vicious Babushka
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And as your CNN maps shows, there’s basically one way in to Merrimack HS. But I kind of enjoyed the prospect: that’s a pretty right-leaning area right there.
re: #191 Major Tom
No, it wouldn’t.
We were under no allusions that this would be go any other way than what it did.
/Confused
re: #198 lawhawk
He spent $30 million in NH. He spent on average nearly $8,100 per vote so far. Obviously, that figure will drop as the night wears on, but he would have been better off just giving every GOP voter $100 bucks. He might have done better that way.
Still losing by 20+
I know that Christie is currently 40th or something in New Hampshire but I’ll donate to his campaign if he promises to stay in and mess with Rubio
re: #197 HappyWarrior
It’s just condescending crap. Support your candidate but don’t call people idiots.
Unless they’re Republicans. Then ‘idiots’ is probably too polite.
re: #193 freetoken
Political establishment? A guy who’s been in Congress for 30 years and in the Senate since 2006. And a billionaire who’s dabbled in politics and rubbed shoulders with the political elite for decades.
re: #183 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Not to mention that is what the GOP says verbatim.
“Oh if they only understood our candidates/positions!”
Patronizing bullshit.
I despise the GOP with all my heart precisely because I understand their candidates and positions.
re: #195 Targetpractice
Last week: “Sanders’ razor-thin loss is really a win because he narrowed the gap, Clinton should pack it in!”
This week: “Sanders totally blew Clinton out of the water, she should pack it in!”
In two weeks: “Hillary didn’t win by nearly enough, she should pack it in!”
Bingo.
Whoa… Cruz is surging… Jeb! now ahead by less than 100 votes.
re: #182 teleskiguy
“But if your identification pony dies you’d have to drag it with you for ID,” noted Rainbow Robyn, drinking a pint while working out how to deploy the team’s limited campaign resources, which consist of five volunteers, a few posters and some stickers pledging to use zombies to create energy.
Despite this approach she is hopeful her candidate will receive more votes than potential Republican nominee Jim Gilmore: “Vermin’s been at it longer. He’s got a name now. He got a minute on Fox News. Rock on Vermin.”
What would be a good result?
“A good result would be that we end up at the best party,” she added. “With dancing girls and balloons and confetti and later in the day clothing optional.” — Jim Waterson
re: #206 b.d.
I know that Christie is currently 40th or something in New Hampshire but I’ll donate to his campaign if he promises to stay in and mess with Rubio
Hell, I got a few bucks to toss in the plate if he’ll keep it going until SC.
re: #208 lawhawk
It’s amazing what is considered an “outsider”, eh?
re: #204 Not a Sparkly Vampire
The loss was foreseen. The extent of the win was always in contention.
re: #217 Patricia Kayden
Literally?
If a knife or hammer is involved, someone might want to dial 911.
re: #214 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Oh.
Because that’s how I define catastrophe.
Me too. But the 3rd or 4th definition down the line has a more loose interpretation of usage.
What this coming election is about:
Supreme Court Deals Blow to Obama’s Efforts to Regulate Coal Emissions
The 5-to-4 vote, with the court’s four liberal members dissenting, was unprecedented — the Supreme Court had never before granted a request to halt a regulation before its legal fate had been decided.
re: #214 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Oh.
Because that’s how I define catastrophe.
So a meteor only 1 km in diameter wouldn’t be a catastrophe?
//
re: #220 Major Tom
Me too. But the 3rd or 4th definition down the line has a more loose interpretation of usage.
You want to do that, go right ahead.
I’m gonna keep some perspective with my politics.
re: #202 Barefoot Grin
And as your CNN maps shows, there’s basically one way in to Merrimack HS. But I kind of enjoyed the prospect: that’s a pretty right-leaning area right there.
It would serve the right right if voter suppression and making voting harder gave them Trump on a platter.
I suspect that, after tonight, the GOP will have lost 1/2 of its “diversity.”
re: #224 klys (maker of Silmarils)
You want to do that, go right ahead.
I’m gonna keep some perspective with my politics.
Needz moar ‘We’re all gonna die!’ meme.
///
re: #216 Major Tom
The loss was foreseen. The extent of the win was always in contention.
I’m much more interested in what Democratic party primary voters think of Clinton and Sanders going forward than what the pundits etc. think of the exact NH primary final result numbers.
I suppose the media needs some cud to chew on for the next few weeks.
The bottom line: the Republican voting base loves angry egomaniacal racist bullies who promise to torture people.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
Waiting for Donald victory speech. Gonna be YUUUGE
You hold your first two primary contests in eggshell white states and you’re bound to have a white supremacist win one eventually.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) February 10, 2016
quitter.se is gonna crash pretty soon, already lagging hard. Idiots are on some poor bastards server while whooping it up about being free from Twitters censorship.
Meanwhile the existing users are trying to tell people it has been there for six years, isn’t a playground for RWNJs, and that it has moderators.
re: #229 EPR-radar
I’m much more interested in what Democratic party primary voters think of Clinton and Sanders going forward than what the pundits etc. think of the exact NH primary final result numbers.
I suppose the media needs some cud to chew on for the next few weeks.
All I’m interested in from tonight is the exit polls, i.e. the ideological breakdown between Bernie and Hillary voters in NH. If he’s still pulling mostly “very liberal” voters and not much else, then tonight may be the one bright for him for awhile.
re: #234 b.d.
This isn’t the first time a white supremacist has won an early primary. Pat Buchanan did it in 1996 in the NH Republican primary.
I hate New Hampshire Nazis.
re: #235 ausador
quitter.se is gonna crash pretty soon, already lagging hard. Idiots are on some poor bastards server while whooping it up about being free from Twitters censorship.
Meanwhile the existing users are trying to tell people it has been there for six years, isn’t a playground for RWNJs, and that it has moderators.
They are all jacked up on Mt. Dew. They are going to jump on them like a spider monkey.
RBS
re: #204 Not a Sparkly Vampire
No, it wouldn’t.
We were under no allusions that this would be go any other way than what it did.
/Confused
I think that’s what is most galling about the coverage of the Dem side. A long-time, fairly popular VT senator with an unapologetic liberal streak cleans up in the state next door. Who could’ve guessed?
Not Andrea Mitchell, apparently.
re: #39 lawhawk
So, CBS headlines with the 8pm lede that Trump wins; Bernie defeats Hillary.
With under 10% of the vote tallied so far.
If it had been close enough on the Democratic side that they couldn’t immediately call it, Sanders’ campaign would be doomed. You really could call the rest of the nomination off.
Voter: I’m voting for Trump bc he won’t take away my guns.
Trump: “That’s right!” [takes away your house to build a hotel]— Elizabeth is Ruined (@Elizasoul80) February 10, 2016
re: #236 Targetpractice
All I’m interested in from tonight is the exit polls, i.e. the ideological breakdown between Bernie and Hillary voters in NH. If he’s still pulling mostly “very liberal” voters and not much else, then tonight may be the one bright for him for awhile.
I agree that those will be very interesting, if the data is good. Pointlessly obsessing over the exact margin of Sanders’ victory will probably get more air time.
re: #236 Targetpractice
All I’m interested in from tonight is the exit polls, i.e. the ideological breakdown between Bernie and Hillary voters in NH. If he’s still pulling mostly “very liberal” voters and not much else, then tonight may be the one bright for him for awhile.
CNN’s exit poll has Sanders with about 65% of the very liberal vote and 55% of the liberal and moderate vote (too few conservatives for a meaningful sample).
re: #226 freetoken
Cruz has overtaken Jeb!
Rubio - Ideal point for the matador to place his final, killing sword blow.
— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) February 10, 2016
Is Bernie a “racist, sexist demagogue”?
Well, if I didn’t stop to read, that’s what my Google news feed would seem to be telling me:
Google News 9 Febre: #242 EPR-radar
I agree that those will be very interesting, if the data is good. Pointlessly obsessing over the exact margin of Sanders’ victory will probably get more air time.
Like people are already doing?
I’m just tired of it, which is probably not a good thing this early in the primary season.
So tedious to hear all these TV pundits straining to come up with hot takes on what NH means for American democracy.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
Did Chris Hayes just accidentally say Bernie Sandwiches? #NHPrimary
— goddamnedfrank (@goddamnedfrank) February 10, 2016
re: #243 Brian J.
CNN’s exit poll has Sanders with about 65% of the very liberal vote and 55% of the liberal and moderate vote (too few conservatives for a meaningful sample).
None would be like that…
Rubio’s right at the 10% mark. If he falls below it, that means no soup or delegates for him.
re: #171 Kent Dorfman
Hillary lost, but not as much as they thought, so it is a win!
At least our side didn’t vote Trump. You guys are in real trouble!
re: #191 Major Tom
If she dips to 39 it would be catastrophic.
In a state with almost no minority representation? Iowa and New Hampshire don’t mean anything to the Democratic party nationally. Except for the press coverage convincing people to change their intended vote because “they don’t want to throw it away.”
Dear pundits.
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are not interchangeable people who represent the same slice of America.
Thank you.
Amber Rose, @commiegirl1’s spawn, who us Lizard Folk guard, can be seen here on Morning Joe.
re: #254 ausador
Fair enough. Opinions. We are entitled to them. I am truly shocked by the margin, and I pay attention.
Christie ends his career as the guy who hugged Obama and kneecapped Rubio. He won’t even get the Giuliani seat.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) February 10, 2016
So, doesn’t the media usually like the dark horse candidate?
I guess that means from here on out they will be pulling for Hillary. Right?
Kasich holding the distant 2nd slot.
“Tiny Dancer” blaring on the speakers at the Trump party
— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) February 10, 2016
Cruz pulling ahead of Jeb
re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth
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4 years ago, Christie was a major figure in GOP politics. After tonight, he’s gonna probably go back to being that asshole in NJ who could be indicted any day on corruption charges.
re: #261 ObserverArt
So, doesn’t the media usually like the dark horse candidate?
I guess that means from here on out they will be pulling for Hillary. Right?
It means they’ll have to give Sanders’ past and platform some scrutiny… and whoa, that won’t be pretty. Fiscally, his health-care plan is about as reasonable as the Republican tax plans.
Tonight is *much* worse for the Republican “establishment” than the Democratic one. https://t.co/Jh3kfuUMyx
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 10, 2016
re: #247 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Like people are already doing?
I’m just tired of it, which is probably not a good thing this early in the primary season.
Me, too. I think I am so sickened by the prospect of anyone on the GOP side winning that I’m losing any interest in the contest on the Dem side.
You know how, after each election, somebody says, “Relax. The country will still be there in 4 years”? With that crowd, I have my doubts.
re: #262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Kasich holding the distant 2nd slot.
It will be interesting, if this holds up, to see if it generates enough donations to enable Kasich to run strongly. Otherwise, he may well have secured the Veep slot, or at least he should make the nominee’s short list.
Put this guy in Steve Schmidt’s seat.
Wow. Trump and Sanders take New Hampshire. #NHPrimary Looks like the people have had it with the way things have been going in the WH!
— Dave Navarro (@DaveNavarro) February 10, 2016
Punditry iz hard
re: #268 Targetpractice
So, how long til Elton John sends a C&D?
I don’t know. He sang at one of Rush Limbaugh’s many weddings.
re: #271 b.d.
Put this guy in Steve Schmidt’s seat.
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That’s gonna be the mantra between now and SC/Nevada: “The establishment got creamed! People want change!”
So any takers on over/under bets on Dem performance in S. Carolina?
re: #273 Targetpractice
That’s gonna be the mantra between now and SC/Nevada: “The establishment got creamed! People want change!”
As the Buddha said, change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
The angst at RedState over these results is entertaining. Now to see what the freepers are saying…
re: #274 Major Tom
So any takers on over/under bets on Dem performance in S. Carolina?
Hillary by 15 points.
Oh please. Delete your account. https://t.co/NRsnSSci7W @mmurraypolitics
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
After an embarrassing showing in IA, Hillary Clinton’s resounding loss in NH is another devastating blow for her campaign
— Reince Priebus (@Reince) February 10, 2016
Prospect that Dems could nom a self-avowed socialist is growing more probable by the day & shows how offcourse Clinton’s coronation has gone
— Reince Priebus (@Reince) February 10, 2016
But you’re still stuck with Trump, Reince.
re: #277 Targetpractice
Hillary by 15 points.
I’d take the over. Even the addled YouGov/ CNN polls have Hillary up by at least 22.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
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But you’re still stuck with Trump, Reince.
“Haha, Hillary’s gonna lose!”
“You’re stuck choosing between Trump and Cruz.”
“….fuck.”
re: #256 b.d.
Dear pundits.
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are not interchangeable people who represent the same slice of America.
Thank you.
That reminds me. Does anyone have Gus’ Circle of Derp’ image (where at the bottom of the circle is the convergence of far right and far left) saved and can post it? I thought I had it saved. Good time for it.
And speaking of images…maybe I was a little early with this one…but the media and some of the reverence for the candidates is making me rethink it.
“We got yer crazy bases covered…and it’ll be great. Make America Nuts Again!re: #276 EPR-radar
The angst at RedState over these results is entertaining. Now to see what the freepers are saying…
I think Erick son of Erick has been in the tank for Rubio.
Ladies and Gentlemen, your Republican Party:
1) Say we need to use something much worse than waterboarding
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) February 10, 2016
2) Don’t specify what that is
3) Win the New Hampshire primary
re: #233 Major Tom
I switched to Bernie about a month ago.
I’m not gonna speak for everyone here, but I suspect a lot of people feel the way I do.
If Bernie wins, I’ll vote for him. He’s far and away far superior to the fucking freak show that passes for the GOP slate.
Here’s the deal, though: for me, at least, Sanders as the Dem nominee means a President Trump or Cruz. Because the moment he hits the trail, the GOP will. Rip. Him. To. Shreds. He’s going to try to run a clean campaign with no big backers, and they will run 24/7 “OMG HE’S A SOCIALIST” ads. And the average American will fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
I hate writing that. I don’t think Bernie is a horrible person, and I don’t think Clinton is a blameless saint. I just don’t feel that Bernie has what it takes to compete against these psychos.
Clinton has been dealing with this shit for 25 years. Shit, there’s a good chance you were in elementary school when she was being accused of having people murdered. She’s not perfect, but she’s the best chance the Dems have to keep the White House and, given their average ages, shape the Supreme Court into something a little more human than what’s it been.
I’m also genuinely worried that if Sanders loses the primary that the Berniacs will take their ball and go home, and refuse to support Clinton. Which, again, potentially gives us a President whose campaign promises include using the power of the federal government to discriminate Americans based on their religion.
I want Bernie in the race. He’s keeping Clinton leaning left and honest. But it’s not realistic to think that an idealistic liberal Senator, who’s called Planned Parenthood the establishment, is somehow going to overcome a rabid conservative voter base and appeal to chickenshit independents who don’t recognize how batshit the GOP is.
Or something like that.
re: #280 Brian J.
I’d take the over. Even the addled YouGov/ CNN polls have Hillary up by at least 22.
I’m being conservative, mostly because we’ve got NV between now and SC, and Bernie could pull a rabbit out of his hat. I don’t believe it will happen, but I’ve been surprised before.
The very first political sign I saw of the season was a hand-made sign for Bernie in Manchester early last spring.Long before he declared I saw a few more. It was basically Bernie signs here long before a single Hillary sign could be seen. But I didn’t rule Hillary out.
I got laughed out of a meeting in August, though, when I said that Trump had a serious shot at winning New Hampshire. After my experience at his rally in Derry in July or August (can’t remember now) and saw that it wasn’t just gawkers but upper-middle class stupids who were fervent supporters, I knew it was going to be hard to dislodge him. I hope he’s another Buchanan.
Jeb back in front of Cruz. Rubio and 5th place getting more acquainted.
Whatever we think of Trump, let’s be gracious and allow White Supremacists a moment to savor their #NHPrimary victory.
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) February 10, 2016
re: #270 Big Beautiful Door
It will be interesting, if this holds up, to see if it generates enough donations to enable Kasich to run strongly. Otherwise, he may well have secured the Veep slot, or at least he should make the nominee’s short list.
I doubt Kasich would take the VP spot. Too big an ego and he has more power being the governator of Oh-hi-oh.
Ben Carson heading to state of New Dakota.
re: #287 Mattand
I was one of those who helped her win FL in 2008. I’m not a fair weather fan. It was something I struggled with. I watched numerous speeches from each, and considered their records. I’m not easily swayed. I would be worried if I was in the Clinton camp.
The Bern is real.
re: #291 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Jeb back in front of Cruz. Rubio and 5th place getting more acquainted.
Rubio’s right at 10 percent, and whether he gets there depends on the number of votes for Paul, Huckabee, Joe Robinson (whoever he is), and the other has-beens and never-weres who won’t appear on TV or most internet results.
re: #259 Major Tom
Fair enough. Opinions. We are entitled to them. I am truly shocked by the margin, and I pay attention.
I’m truly curious as you what your reaction will be come Super Tuesday.
Not to mention the SC and NV primaries that are next.
Evening Lizardim. What fun did I miss today?
re: #297 Not a Sparkly Vampire
I’m a Democrat who lives in the South. I am very used to losing.
re: #272 Barefoot Grin
Yeah, but I had heard he was paid a cool million to do that.
Bush and Cruz are exactly tied for third. Each with 6,996 votes. Sixty-nine and backwards sixty-nine in one number!
re: #295 Major Tom
I was one of those who helped her win FL in 2008. I’m not a fair weather fan. It was something I struggled with. I watched numerous speeches from each, and considered their records. I’m not easily swayed. I would be worried if I was in the Clinton camp.
I’m not, because I haven’t seen anything yet that would worry me about her chances. If Bernie magically wins NV or forces her to an Iowa-style 11th hour victory, then I will be worried because that means he’s starting to eat into her massive lead with minority voters. But right now, two lily-white states which were fertile grounds for his brand of progressive politics is not enough to shake my belief that the nomination remains hers to lose.
re: #302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Not much going on. /
Yeah, my bullshit detector is calling you a liar. On that note, I should really get that thing fixed - the last few rounds of Trump and Rage Furby have had it smoking.
re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White
Me, too. I think I am so sickened by the prospect of anyone on the GOP side winning that I’m losing any interest in the contest on the Dem side.
You know how, after each election, somebody says, “Relax. The country will still be there in 4 years”? With that crowd, I have my doubts.
The US will still be there, but it will be socially the ’50s US and hated by the rest of the world sick of the self appointed world police, judge & jury.
Not really, but that’s the direction the GOP seems to want to go.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
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But you’re still stuck with Trump, Reince.
Dear Bernie followers. Reince Priebus presents a preview. Consider it.
re: #287 Mattand
If the Democrats play purity games……
re: #268 Targetpractice
So, how long til Elton John sends a C&D?
Never. Didn’t Elton perform at Limbaugh’s umpteenth wedding ceremony? I assume he’s okay with Rightwingers.
“We agree with Christie that Rubio sucks, but we still think Christie sucks.” - New Hampshire
— Steve Marmel (@Marmel) February 10, 2016
re: #189 EPR-radar
Political partisans often confuse “uninformed” with “unimpressed”. Some enthusiastic Sanders supporters are blatant examples of this.
Ron/Rand Paul and his libertarian friends ALWAYS play on that, and think if the voters were only “informed”, the scales will fall from their eyes and they’ll see the light.
Bernie supporters reminded me too much of the Rands. When it’s my turn in MA, I’m voting for Hilary.
re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat
Yeah, but I had heard he was paid a cool million to do that.
That does cast a cloud on my theory of the friendship between the openly gay activist entertainer and the deeply homophobic hate monger.
I admit, I’m starting to develop an anti-reaction to any reference of “Feel the Bern.”
Every time I hear it, it’s so tempting to swear I will never vote for him. Because I am a rational adult, I haven’t given into this, but it doesn’t make me like him as a candidate any more.
Bernie Sandwich
#FeelTheSandwich
MSNBS’s Chrissy Hayes announces the win for ‘Bernie Sandwich’ pic.twitter.com/rpqZkcDeYG— Hillary’s Magic Coin (@17ebivor) February 10, 2016
I’ve gotta imagine that this is the end for Christie. Carson’s end doesn’t depend on election results; it comes whenever he can’t grift another nickel from an old lady.
re: #315 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I admit, I’m starting to develop an anti-reaction to any reference of “Feel the Bern.”
Every time I hear it, it’s so tempting to swear I will never vote for him. Because I am a rational adult, I haven’t given into this, but it doesn’t make me like him as a candidate any more.
I’ve partially given in. I’ll vote for Bloomberg if he runs in a three-way race. Of course, I’m in a state where Hillary’s chance of winning the general is slim and Bernie’s chance of not getting crushed is nil.
re: #317 Brian J.
I’ve gotta imagine that this is the end for Christie. Carson’s end doesn’t depend on election results; it comes whenever he can’t grift another nickel from an old lady.
Christie has no book. Carson, on the other hand is just halfway through his book tour.
All the news services are now predicting Kasich in the Number 2 slot.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
Except that Rubio’s rebooting; Cruz is crashing, and Christie’s stuck with a bridge to nowhere. Oh, Jeb? He’s gone home to Momma.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 10, 2016
re: #259 Major Tom
Fair enough. Opinions. We are entitled to them. I am truly shocked by the margin, and I pay attention.
But it was supposed to be an easy two to one victory for Bernie according to the polls. I’m not at all surprised so far, this was the predicted outcome for several weeks now.
re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White
Me, too. I think I am so sickened by the prospect of anyone on the GOP side winning that I’m losing any interest in the contest on the Dem side.
You know how, after each election, somebody says, “Relax. The country will still be there in 4 years”? With that crowd, I have my doubts.
Not losing interest on the Dem contest—I’m refusing it. There is no way I’m going to help one Dem handicap another going into the general. No money, no campaign-oriented work until the nomination is a lock. Then I’ll do everything possible to shove the nominee over the line.
re: #324 Eric The Fruit Bat
Here’s one for ya:
I’d say it looks like it’s stuck, but then again, that’s pretty much how it would look spending time discussing the wingnuts and the douchecanoes.
Vermin Supreme is doing better than Jim Gilmore: pic.twitter.com/wN9pB8XipX
— Micah Cohen (@micahcohen) February 10, 2016
re: #325 Decatur Deb
Not losing interest on the Dem contest—I’m refusing it. There is no way I’m going to help one Dem handicap another going into the general. No money, no campaign-oriented work until the nomination is a lock. Then I’ll do everything possible to shove the nominee over the line.
With the added side bonus of you haven’t made an ass out of yourself and irritated people in the meantime!
Reminder as to what comes next:
RCP Polling
Nevada Clinton +19.5
South Carolina Clinton +29.5
California Clinton +13.5
Arkansas Clinton +32
Mass. Clinton +29.5#NHPrimary— Gus Establishment™ (@Gus_802) February 10, 2016
re: #294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Ben Carson heading to state of New Dakota.
Just go somewhere and get your sleep on, Dr. Carson.
McCain beat W by 19 in NH in 08.
re: #325 Decatur Deb
Not losing interest on the Dem contest—I’m refusing it. There is no way I’m going to help one Dem handicap another going into the general. No money, no campaign-oriented work until the nomination is a lock. Then I’ll do everything possible to shove the nominee over the line.
Populism vs. plutocracy shouldn’t be an intra-party issue in the (D) primary. It should be a D vs. R issue in a general election.
re: #329 lawhawk
Reminder as to what comes next:
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Not a lot of daylight for Bernie for a long stretch. Yeah, he may surprise, but I expect to read a lot of “Doing better than expected” headlines between now and Super Tuesday.
Don’t Hold Back On Us, Huffington Post - https://t.co/rFMDPxI5ra pic.twitter.com/UL922QTRW6
— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) February 10, 2016
re: #311 Patricia Kayden
Elton John will take anyone’s money.
re: #303 freetoken
Jeb! and Cruz now tied at 6,996.
That’s 6996 backwards, or 9669 upside down. Sorcery!!!
That really doesn’t pin it down when you look at the GOP @JoeMyGod
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 10, 2016
re: #317 Brian J.
I’ve gotta imagine that this is the end for Christie. Carson’s end doesn’t depend on election results; it comes whenever he can’t grift another nickel from an old lady.
Christie and Fiorina are toast. What is wonderful is that Kasich Bush and Rubio are all still in.
California, New York, Florida and Texas should be the first states to have primaries. This Iowa/New Hampshire bullshit is just that, bullshit.
re: #311 Patricia Kayden
Crikies, you would think the RIAA would have attorneys at every venue with an 800 number established for artists and labels to call in to issue insta-C&D’s-campaigns have got cash, unlike the podunk torrenter.
Trump: I WON. Kasich: I AM THE ANTI-TRUMP. Bush: I BEAT RUBIO! Cruz: I BEAT HIM TOO! Rubio: OBAMA KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE’S DOING.
— AlGiordano (@AlGiordano) February 10, 2016
re: #341 Big Beautiful Door
Christie and Fiorina are toast. What is wonderful is that Kasich Bush and Rubio are all still in.
Time for Carly to deploy the golden parachute.
I was so crushed 8 yrs ago when Hillary beat Obama in NH.
re: #331 Patricia Kayden
Just go somewhere and get your sleep on, Dr. Carson.
Stop watching the debate and just keep watching this Vine of Ben Carson’s entrance: https://t.co/75a51YFRP2 #gopdebate
— Jim Waterson (@jimwaterson) February 7, 2016
re: #327 gocart mozart
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According to The Green Papers, GOP candidates ahead of Gilmore (not counting write-ins) include Rand Paul, Joe Robinson, Richard Witz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Andy Martin, and Brooks Cullison. That means he’s in no better than 16th place in a 9-man field.
I think Christie will stay in if he has a desire to attack any of the candidates still left during a debate.
re: #350 guachi
I think Christie will stay in if he has a desire to attack any of the candidates still left during a debate.
I expect a few of them to stay in it for the express purpose of throwing a tantrum.
Hey Marco, you see that glow flashing in the corner of your eye? That’s your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear.
Hillary sounds a bit hoarse.But still a good speech.
re: #349 Brian J.
According to The Green Papers, GOP candidates ahead of Gilmore (not counting write-ins) include Rand Paul, Joe Robinson, Richard Witz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Andy Martin, and Brooks Cullison. That means he’s in no better than 16th place in a 9-man field.
That’s just sad.
re: #325 Decatur Deb
Not losing interest on the Dem contest—I’m refusing it. There is no way I’m going to help one Dem handicap another going into the general. No money, no campaign-oriented work until the nomination is a lock. Then I’ll do everything possible to shove the nominee over the line.
Good strategy. Rooting for both Democratic candidates. Either one will be a great President.
re: #351 Not a Sparkly Vampire
I expect a few of them to stay in it for the express purpose of
throwing a tantrumgrifting.
re: #353 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Hillary sounds a bigot hoarse.But still a good speech.
um.. Autocorrect?
re: #327 gocart mozart
@micahcohen Dick Witz has three times the votes as Gilmore and 30 more than Mr. Supreme. Why the anti Witz bias?
— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) February 10, 2016
re: #343 teleskiguy
California, New York, Florida and Texas should be the first states to have primaries. This Iowa/New Hampshire bullshit is just that, bullshit.
Give the small states the first primaries - all the small states. At once.
DE, RI, WY, IA, NH, AK.
Then do a wave of states on a Tuesday, including say SC, NC, VA, NV, CO.
Then do another wave of small states.
Then another wave, including NY, NJ, CA, CT, FL, and TX.
And compress the schedule. Less time campaigning. Less time between the primaries.
re: #353 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Pencil.
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
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@Reince It could be between a Democratic Socialist, and a National Socialist. I don’t think America will choose fascism.
— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) February 10, 2016
re: #349 Brian J.
According to The Green Papers, GOP candidates ahead of Gilmore (not counting write-ins) include Rand Paul, Joe Robinson, Richard Witz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Andy Martin, and Brooks Cullison. That means he’s in no better than 16th place in a 9-man field.
Just you wait till South Carolina! Gilmore forever!
re: #359 lawhawk
Know the candidates less?
See them under pressure less?
re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth
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But you’re still stuck with Trump, Reince.
@Reince Give me a break NH is Bernie’s backyard hell yes they’re going to vote for him, You all have a bigger problem with Trump winning.
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) February 10, 2016
Reuters has a more accurate, if boring, headline:
Billionaire Trump, U.S. Senator Sanders win in New Hampshire
This underlines the reality: the winners are a very rich man, and a nearly-lifelong politician.
These are not “outsiders”.
re: #353 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Hillary sounds a bit hoarse.But still a good speech.
Maybe it’s just me, but over the past several months, her speeches have become much better, especially compared to 8 years ago. Seem to have a larger intellectual tone as well.
Hey, Reince?
What’s it like being completely irrelevant?
Just curious.
re: #343 teleskiguy
California, New York, Florida and Texas should be the first states to have primaries. This Iowa/New Hampshire bullshit is just that, bullshit.
Great point. One day when I’m bored I’m going to look into how it was decided which states got to hold primaries first. How did Iowa and New Hampshire get top billing? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
A year ago, the GOP establishment thought Trump was a joke and most “serious” conservatives wouldn’t entertain the idea of his ever being considered for the nomination.
A year later, they’re trying to convince everybody either that his being the guy to beat was always in the cards or that it’s not as interesting as what’s happening in the Dem race.
Hillary looking ahead. Hitting key issues.
Krugman ahead of the curve on that Trump win. pic.twitter.com/LcEVRKOe8b
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) February 10, 2016
She doesn’t sound hoarse. She’s giving a fine speech.
Marco Rubio interviewed just now by CNN, taking New Hampshire result well pic.twitter.com/MLwoWbJ2d9
re: #352 Targetpractice
Hey Marco, you see that glow flashing in the corner of your eye? That’s your career dissipation light. It just went into high gear.
But now we all know that President Obama knows exactly what he’s doing so Rubio did some good.
re: #373 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Hillary looking ahead. Hitting key issues.
Yep. Put in there about going to Flint MI. Sure, some see it as opportunist, but she went; she showed up there.
re: #371 Patricia Kayden
Politics.
It’s all politics.
Substantially, running for President is about running for head of the good ol’ boy club (and yes, that includes Sanders and Trump.)
Our system gives, undemocratically, power to the political entities we call “states”, over the election of the President.
If you want to really change American politics, do away with the electoral college.
re: #371 Patricia Kayden
Great point. One day when I’m bored I’m going to look into how it was decided which states got to hold primaries first. How did Iowa and New Hampshire get top billing? Things that make you go hmmmmm.
In 1972, the Democratic Party made changes to the way they did nominations in the states. Iowa, with one of longest and most complex series of caucuses, decided to start early and effectively go first. That’s literally it - the only reason they are the bellwether for American presidential elections is because they had a more asinine process than anybody else in the country.
re: #379 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Yep. Put in there about going to Flint MI. Sure, some see it as opportunist, but she went; she showed up there.
Talked about African Americans and police. Wingers gonna lose it.
NH prediction, 5 days out: Rubio 25, Cruz 22, Trump 19, Kasich 17, others single digits. #NoGutsNoGlory
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 4, 2016
re: #382 thedopefishlives
In 1972, the Democratic Party made changes to the way they did nominations in the states. Iowa, with one of longest and most complex series of caucuses, decided to start early and effectively go first. That’s literally it - the only reason they are the bellwether for American presidential elections is because they had a more asinine process than anybody else in the country.
And, of course, the guy who headed the commission to change the nomination process won the nomination. And lost 49 states because he kinda stunk at general-election campaigning, had bad timing, and ran against a guy who would cheat when victory was already assured.
re: #382 thedopefishlives
Thanks for that info. As arbitrary as one would expect.
re: #386 Kragar
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re: #389 Patricia Kayden
Thanks for that info. As arbitrary as one would expect.
And for the New Hampshire primary, that one is equally arbitrary, albeit a bit more entertaining - it is required, by New Hampshire state law, that New Hampshire hold its primary 7 days before any other state that uses a primary election.
re: #382 thedopefishlives
In 1972, the Democratic Party made changes to the way they did nominations in the states. Iowa, with one of longest and most complex series of caucuses, decided to start early and effectively go first. That’s literally it - the only reason they are the bellwether for American presidential elections is because they had a more asinine process than anybody else in the country.
Iowa Caucus results on the Republican side:
2008: Mike Huckabee
2012: Rick Santorum
2016: Ted Cruz
Rick Santorum also won the Colorado caucus in 2012, which kind of blew my mind.
re: #394 thedopefishlives
And for the New Hampshire primary, that one is equally arbitrary, albeit a bit more entertaining - it is required, by New Hampshire state law, that New Hampshire hold its primary 7 days before any other state that uses a primary election.
Heh, childish.
re: #388 Not a Sparkly Vampire
She still concerned?
She said “Oh noes, Bernie Sanders won Independents by 40 points. What a switch around. Hillary Clinton won Independents by 6 over Obama in 2008. Maybe she should drop out now”
re: #386 Kragar
He is the bizarro oracle. Him and Morris.
re: #395 teleskiguy
“Perceived bellwether” may have been better phrasing.
re: #395 teleskiguy
The religious right is marginalizing the GOP. Some of the Republican big donors realize this, but it’s too late.
re: #394 thedopefishlives
And for the New Hampshire primary, that one is equally arbitrary, albeit a bit more entertaining - it is required, by New Hampshire state law, that New Hampshire hold its primary 7 days before any other state that uses a primary election.
What happens when some other state enacts the same kind of asinine law?
re: #401 EPR-radar
What happens when some other state enacts the same kind of asinine law?
THUNDERDOME.
re: #383 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Talked about African Americans and police. Wingers gonna lose it.
They can’t hate her any more than they already do. They better pace themselves.
Jeb sniffing around 4th place, seems to like it.
Tough to imagine the Bush Financial Syndicate being overjoyed at a prospective fourth place finish. Poppy lives a stone’s throw away from a decent-sized chunk of New Hampshire; if he can’t finish in the top three next door, can he stagger along until Florida next month?
re: #401 EPR-radar
I believe they took Florida’s delegates away for attempting something like that.
Ya think Bernie is wondering why he didn’t run for POTUS before now?
re: #404 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Jeb!’s only 223 votes behind bronze.
re: #402 thedopefishlives
THUNDERDOME.
Then you get into a positive feedback cycle, and the primary for the election 4 years down the road will actually be held before the preceding election has been completed.
RBS
So, the first states are because one uses a confusing system and the other is because it said so.
Wheee!
re: #402 thedopefishlives
THUNDERDOME.
The national parties put pressure on the miscreants to move back, not to mention that it costs more since the state must then run a separate primary for other offices. North Carolina tried to jump the queue this cycle, but was forced back. Here’s some more information on that.
re: #405 BongCrodny
Thirty million dollars… and didn’t even get bronze.
Congratulations to Bernie Sanders on becoming the first Jew to win a Presidential primary - historic achievement to be proud of. 👏🏽
High water point? Or start of a wave? Considering the polling of the next few states, I think this could be a high water point.
re: #409 Reality Based Steve
Then you get into a positive feedback cycle, and the primary for the election 4 years down the road will actually be held before the preceding election has been completed.
RBS
What we in the trade refer to as an “infinite loop”.
New Hampshire pretty much sucks when it comes to predicting the eventual nominees and POTUS. The NH primary is less accurate than Punxatawny Phil.
Bernie is bringing it, too.
re: #400 freetoken
The religious right is marginalizing the GOP. Some of the Republican big donors realize this, but it’s too late.
The GOP establishment’s big problem is that their ‘big tent’ of resentful voters is no longer willing to settle for the crumbs the establishment will give them. The racists have Trump as their candidate and the theocrats have Cruz as their candidate. Right now, the establishment has no candidate.
This 3-way flaming mess might really make it all the way to the GOP convention.
Provisional delegate splits:
Republicans: Trump 9 (16 including Iowa), Kasich 3 (4), Cruz 2 (10), Bush 2 (3), Rubio 2 (9), Christie 0 (0), Carson 0 (3), Fiorina 0 (1).
Democrats: Sanders 15 (36 including Iowa, 52 including best guess at superdelegates), Clinton 9 (32, 431).
A Jew has never won a primary before tonight. That’s some weird trivia.
I’m positive an atheist or a Muslim has never won a presidential primary and won’t for some time to come.
National Primary Day has a nice ring to it.
/Never gonna happen.
re: #416 The Vicious Babushka
New Hampshire pretty much sucks when it comes to predicting the eventual nominees and POTUS. The NH primary is less accurate than Punxatawny Phil.
You just had to bring that furry little bastard up, didn’t you. It’s 0 degrees F (-17.8 degrees C) up here in the wild north country. Early spring, my pasty-white frozen ass.
Bless you, Bernie.
“A few months from now, we must unite, because the Republican candidate must not be allowed to gain the Presidency.”
Or words to that effect.
re: #396 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Heh, childish.
Childish? Do you know how much money that brings into the state every 4 years. Freaking brilliant.
We’ve talked about this here before. It’s not like I’m going to not vote for him because of it but I don’t like it either.
Not a fan of Bernie’s button collar look.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 10, 2016
But where is the graphic for the GOP, New York Times Graphics?
The oldest and richest NH’ers voted for Hillary. Everyone else voted for Sanders. https://t.co/oXKEKbEqzY pic.twitter.com/aPemecMjof
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) February 10, 2016
Oops. That should be 11 for Trump (18 including Iowa).
re: #422 thedopefishlives
You just had to bring that furry little bastard up, didn’t you. It’s 0 degrees F (-17.8 degrees C) up here in the wild north country. Early spring, my pasty-white frozen ass.
Send some of that cold our way. It was 40° F outside today. That melts snow! No bueno!
re: #421 Not a Sparkly Vampire
National Primary Day has a nice ring to it.
/Never gonna happen.
The problem with that is now you’re really talking about a national ad campaign that will almost certainly still have low turnout.
I live in the most populous state. It doesn’t bother me that our primaries don’t really matter.
Totally off topic, but I am at the moment migrating a pair of software packages from one computer to a really, really much better in every way one.
SO I do backups of the data repositories for each. They’re both north of 200 GB, so that takes a while.
Then I surrender the license on the old one, and pick it up on the new one. Try to use ‘Restore Database’ to transfer the data. Doesn’t work: “The backup was created by an older version of the program”
Shit.
Surrender license on new, kickass machine. Pick it up on the old one. Update the program there. REDO the backup. Again, 200+ GB. Takes time.
Then I surrender the license on the old one, and pick it up on the new one. Try to use ‘Restore Database’ to transfer the data. Doesn’t work: “The backup was created by an NEWER version of the program.”
GAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
Update program on new, kickass machine. Use ‘Restore Backup’ again. Finally, it works!
That was most of today, including the hour wasted while the license server at the vendors wouldn’t release the license.
Now it’s time for the other program. Old machine is running version 2.5.1. Surrender license on old machine. Pick up on new, kickass machine. Launch program.
Version 2.6. FUCK!
Surrender license on new machine. Pick up on old machine. Launch program. Update. Now re-do backup….
The kicker is that I had ALREADY updated the program on the old machine, but it only went from 2.5 to 2.5.1. What I SHOULD have done was to check AGAIN to see if it had ANOTHER available update.
Dammit, Jim! I’m a Molecular Biologist, not an IT Geek!!
re: #426 The Vicious Babushka
That should concern.
re: #389 Patricia Kayden
In the late 1980’s, California tried to move their primary to December. The December before election year!
re: #428 teleskiguy
Send some of that cold our way. It was 40° F outside today. That melts snow! No bueno!
Meanwhile, we had some fresh powder over the weekend. Had some friends out hitting the slopes and the sleds before the freeze came on this week.
re: #432 Sherlock Hound
In the late 1980’s, California tried to move their primary to December. The December before election year!
In 2008, Iowa was on January 3rd. I was still on Christmas vacation.
No Super PAC means you lose elections, the way things are. Sorry, it just is that way.
re: #426 The Vicious Babushka
But where is the graphic for the GOP, New York Times Graphics?
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re: #416 The Vicious Babushka
New Hampshire pretty much sucks when it comes to predicting the eventual nominees and POTUS. The NH primary is less accurate than Punxatawny Phil.
Yeah, but can NH drive a truck like this?
re: #419 Brian J.
Provisional delegate splits:
Republicans: Trump 9 (16 including Iowa), Kasich 3 (4), Cruz 2 (10), Bush 2 (3), Rubio 2 (9), Christie 0 (0), Carson 0 (3), Fiorina 0 (1).
Democrats: Sanders 15 (36 including Iowa, 52 including best guess at superdelegates), Clinton 9 (32, 431).
So Hillary gets as many delegates as Trump for losing. Someone should mention that to Donald just for fun.
I honestly thought that there would only be 3 or possibly 4 GOP tickets out of New Hampshire. Looking over the vote breakdown, I can see 5 tickets out.
Fiorina and Carson are effectively out. Christie is probably out too. It looks like the GOP race is going to get even more sleazy. It’s looking very conceivable that there is going to be a wide open mess in Cleveland.
re: #438 stpaulbear
So Hillary gets as many delegates as Trump for losing. Someone should mention that to Donald just for fun.
The Democrats have almost twice as many delegates as the Republicans this year.
re: #440 Joe Bacon
I honestly thought that there would only be 3 or possibly 4 GOP tickets out of New Hampshire. Looking over the vote breakdown, I can see 5 tickets out.
Fiorina and Carson are effectively out. Christie is probably out too. It looks like the GOP race is going to get even more sleazy. It’s looking very conceivable that there is going to be a wide open mess in Cleveland.
In unrelated news, popcorn futures skyrocket.
Off-topic, but this passed under my nose…
Putin Wages Hybrid War on Germany and West
It includes this gem:
Russia’s New Global Conservatism
In addition to cyber attacks and propaganda, Russia also uses political networks to pursue its disruptive actions in the West. In contrast to the past, the pro-Moscow camp abroad is no longer leftist but staunchly right-wing. Russia sees itself as the leader of a new, global conservatism — anti-liberal, xenophobic and homophobic — against a supposedly decadent West and its decline in values. Moscow uses right-wing groups to advance its agenda.
“The structure is ideologically based on the expansionist neo-Eurasianism of Alexander Dugin,” says a report by the Czech intelligence agency BIS. Dugin, a professor in Moscow, dreams of a worldwide “conservative revolution.” He is an adviser to the president of the Russian parliament and a frequent guest on Russian television, and he is seen as Putin’s mentor. The Russian General Staff use Dugin’s book, “The Foundations of Geopolitics,” as a textbook for aspiring officers. Dugin’s goal is to unite right-wing forces in Europe under the banner of a Eurasian movement.
The project has been underway for some time. In September 2014, France’s far-right Front National received a multimillion-euro loan from a Russian bank run by Putin loyalist Roman Popov. Heinz-Christian Strache, chairman of the right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ), attended a conference hosted by a Russian oligarch. And the Russian government has also shown a strong interest in the Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right German political party.
In late 2014, deputy AfD leader Alexander Gauland and the party’s spokesman paid a visit to the Russian Embassy along Berlin’s Unter den Linden boulevard, where the Russian envoy proposed a cooperation with the AfD. When SPIEGEL reported on the meeting, the AfD’s chairman at the time, Bernd Lucke, expressed outrage and distanced himself from the plans.
A year later, after Lucke had long since been ousted, the party issued press releases about meetings and cooperative agreements with Putin’s representatives in Berlin. Members of the AfD youth organization, Young Alternative, attended pro-Kremlin conferences in Ukraine and Serbia (one conference was titled “Donbass: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow”). The party plans to host a “security policy seminar” in Potsdam in June — together with the Russian Embassy, which AfD officials say is covering part of the costs. The working title of the conference: “Migration as a Destabilizing Element.”
The Russians also seem to have no qualms in dealing with German neo-Nazis. Udo Voigt, a representative of Germany’s far-right NPD in the European Parliament, attended a conference in St. Petersburg in March 2015, at the invitation of the Rodina (“Fatherland”) Party of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. In November 2014, two NPD officials attended a “Compact” conference with the motto “Peace with Russia.” It was organized by a man named Jürgen Elsässer.
A former Communist, Elsässer is one of the most zealous Putin propagandists in Germany. At the conference in Berlin’s Maritim Hotel, an audience of 700 people listened to his assertion that Brussels, not Moscow, was the capital of the “new USSR.” The guests included NPD officials, AfD deputy Gauland and Oskar Freysinger, a politician with the right-wing populist Swiss People’s Party (SVP). Another attendee was Vladimir Yakunin, a Putin confidant and former head of Russia’s state rail company.
“There are increasingly obvious ideological connections between several extremist right-wing parties in Europe and the current Russian leadership,” the Hungarian research institute Political Capital wrote in an extensive study. There are several aspects of present-day Russia that appeal to extremists: a strong leader, the suppression of civil rights and liberties, state control over strategic sectors and the constant emphasis of national interests.
re: #440 Joe Bacon
I honestly thought that there would only be 3 or possibly 4 GOP tickets out of New Hampshire. Looking over the vote breakdown, I can see 5 tickets out.
Fiorina and Carson are effectively out. Christie is probably out too. It looks like the GOP race is going to get even more sleazy. It’s looking very conceivable that there is going to be a wide open mess in Cleveland.
The 20% odds we gave to a brokered (err, contested) convention a few months ago are starting to look pretty good… https://t.co/7HCYqDw5kJ
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 10, 2016
Still only 1/3 of vote in.
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Seen on Facebook:
This is 5776 in the Jewish Calendar
It is now 4714 in the Chinese Calendar (Happy Chinese New Year!).
That means Jews had to go 1,062 years without Chinese food. That was known as the Dark Ages.
Thanks. I’ll be here all week! /
re: #426 The Vicious Babushka
But where is the graphic for the GOP, New York Times Graphics?
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re: #437 Targetpractice
Yeah, but can NH drive a truck like this?
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Random trivia: when Bill Murray and the rodent get pulled over by the cops, cop #2 is my brother’s drama school friend and roommate. Not sure what cop #2 is doing, but my brother ended up in Germany because of his smaller brain and is now a master technician for a broadway theater operation in Hamburg.
re: #295 Major Tom
I was one of those who helped her win FL in 2008. I’m not a fair weather fan. It was something I struggled with. I watched numerous speeches from each, and considered their records. I’m not easily swayed. I would be worried if I was in the Clinton camp.
The Bern is real.
Fair enough. My goal is to keep the White House Democratic.
re: #442 Not a Sparkly Vampire
In unrelated news, popcorn futures skyrocket.
So are butter and margarine futures! 😉
re: #446 Stanley Sea
251 more comments? I’m hitting jump to bottom. Please inform me of anything I should never ever have missed! :)
LGF an irrelevant site, nobody goes there anymore,
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re: #430 Blind Frog Belly White
Totally off topic, but I am at the moment migrating a pair of software packages from one computer to a really, really much better in every way one.
SO I do backups of the data repositories for each. They’re both north of 200 GB, so that takes a while.
Then I surrender the license on the old one, and pick it up on the new one. Try to use ‘Restore Database’ to transfer the data. Doesn’t work: “The backup was created by an older version of the program”
Shit.
Surrender license on new, kickass machine. Pick it up on the old one. Update the program there. REDO the backup. Again, 200+ GB. Takes time.
Then I surrender the license on the old one, and pick it up on the new one. Try to use ‘Restore Database’ to transfer the data. Doesn’t work: “The backup was created by an NEWER version of the program.”
GAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
Update program on new, kickass machine. Use ‘Restore Backup’ again. Finally, it works!
That was most of today, including the hour wasted while the license server at the vendors wouldn’t release the license.
Now it’s time for the other program. Old machine is running version 2.5.1. Surrender license on old machine. Pick up on new, kickass machine. Launch program.
Version 2.6. FUCK!
Surrender license on new machine. Pick up on old machine. Launch program. Update. Now re-do backup….
The kicker is that I had ALREADY updated the program on the old machine, but it only went from 2.5 to 2.5.1. What I SHOULD have done was to check AGAIN to see if it had ANOTHER available update.
Dammit, Jim! I’m a Molecular Biologist, not an IT Geek!!
You just described a typical day for me.
Have you noticed I don’t have much hair?
re: #421 Not a Sparkly Vampire
National Primary Day has a nice ring to it.
/Never gonna happen.
If it were up to me, Iowa and New Hampshire would remain where they are. They are mainly ‘retail politics’, lots of emphasis on meeting the voters. It allows a minor or lesser know candidate to get out there, maybe get some support.
Then a series of 5 regional primaries, held 2 weeks apart. ALL would be proportional, not winner-take-all format. The order of the regional primaries would be established 2 years before the actual election, and would be on a rotating or random basis, with the provision that no region would be first OR last 2 cycles in a row.
Let the minor candidates get know, maybe get some support. Then make them work hard for the nomination.
RBS
re: #441 Brian J.
The Democrats have almost twice as many delegates as the Republicans this year.
You’d think Bernie’s socialism would lead him to sharing some of the Democratic riches with the poorer Republicans, no?
re: #349 Brian J.
According to The Green Papers, GOP candidates ahead of Gilmore (not counting write-ins) include Rand Paul, Joe Robinson, Richard Witz, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Andy Martin, and Brooks Cullison. That means he’s in no better than 16th place in a 9-man field.
Jim Gil-xote.
re: #452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
LGF an irrelevant site, nobody goes there anymore,
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Little do you all realize that LGF is just Charles talking to himself through all these accounts.
Can someone please break down what’s happening. I have no idea.
re: #446 Stanley Sea
251 more comments? I’m hitting jump to bottom. Please inform me of anything I should never ever have missed! :)
re: #440 Joe Bacon
It’s looking very conceivable that there is going to be a wide open mess in Cleveland.
More conceivable than any time since 1976? Yes.
Likely? No.
Look at all of the winner-take-all contests coming up. The system is set up to prevent convention drama.
re: #431 Major Tom
That should concern.
Concern the GOP? Concern the NYTimes graphics department? Concern …who?
re: #438 stpaulbear
So Hillary gets as many delegates as Trump for losing. Someone should mention that to Donald just for fun.
Don’t the Dems have like twice as many delegates as republicans to start with and some insane number of super delegates?
re: #457 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Little do you all realize that LGF is just Charles talking to himself through all these accounts.
The first rule of LFG is you never talk about LFG.
re: #464 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Concern the GOP? Concern the NYTimes graphics department? Concern …who?
m
re: #464 klys (maker of Silmarils)
I like to leave those lines ominously open ended.
I’d be more concerned that, mathematically, Bernie has very little, if no, viable path to winning the nom.
/That’s just me.
re: #453 b_sharp
You just described a typical day for me.
Have you noticed I don’t have much hair?
Oddly enough, no. But then IRL I wouldn’t know you from Adam.
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re: #458 b_sharpi
Can someone please break down what’s happening. I have no idea.
Bernie is into hour number 3 of his victory speech
re: #465 b_sharp
0_o
Any more detail than that? Maybe?
We’re considering trading you NH for a promise to immediately recall Celine Dion, Justin Beiber, and Nickelback.
re: #433 thedopefishlives
The company that operates the ski area near me (season pass holder for a quarter century myself) just bought Wilmot Mountain in Wisconsin. Is there any kind of skiing near the Twin Cities that resembles Wilmot Mountain?
re: #465 b_sharp
0_o
Any more detail than that? Maybe?
We’re talking about Republicans, so, no, it’s pretty universal.
re: #467 Reality Based Steve
The first rule of LFG is you never talk about LFG.
Since we’re all Charles, we already know what we’re going to say so we don’t have to say anything.
Poor Chuck C. Johnson, always wrong, yet still he boasts. pic.twitter.com/LA3mLWsAjI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 10, 2016
re: #471 Blind Frog Belly White
Oddly enough, no. But then IRL I wouldn’t know you from Adam.
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My avi is me.
I’m not Charles, I’m a sentient hyper-intelligent supercomputer who just has an insanely large database of inane trivia.
You know you can’t spell worth crap when spell check has no idea wtf you were trying to type.
re: #473 Targetpractice
We’re considering trading you NH for a promise to immediately recall Celine Dion, Justin Beiber, and Nickelback.
Do we want NH?
re: #475 teleskiguy
I doubt it, but not being a powder monkey myself, I haven’t the faintest idea what kind of skiing facilities are nearby. I was on a hill once. I will gladly go and do it again, but it is not my sport.
re: #482 Targetpractice
I’m not Charles, I’m a sentient hyper-intelligent supercomputer who just has an insanely large database of inane trivia.
Hello, Watson.
re: #474 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
GOP “Establishment Lane” not doing well.
Who’s on first? What’s on second?
re: #475 teleskiguy
The company that operates the ski area near me (season pass holder for a quarter century myself) just bought Wilmot Mountain in Wisconsin. Is there any kind of skiing near the Twin Cities that resembles Wilmot Mountain?
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I knew the owners of Wilmot Mountain back in the 70s and early 80s. Spent several nice weekends there.
re: #477 b_sharp
Since we’re all Charles, we already know what we’re going to say so we don’t have to say anything.
It says there are 151 Charles sock puppets currently logged in and that Charles has commented just a smidge over 11 million times.
re: #487 Decatur Deb
It’s not every day…
gotta hit every base. Media only wants to define socialism over and over again.
re: #483 Not a Sparkly Vampire
You know you can’t spell worth crap when spell check has no idea wtf you were trying to type.
My spell check is British. My people have been ignoring them for 500 years.
re: #491 teleskiguy
It says there are 151 Charles sock puppets currently logged in and that Charles has commented just a smidge over 11 million times.
Boy, my, I mean his fingers must be tired.
re: #475 teleskiguy
The company that operates the ski area near me (season pass holder for a quarter century myself) just bought Wilmot Mountain in Wisconsin. Is there any kind of skiing near the Twin Cities that resembles Wilmot Mountain?
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
re: #457 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Little do you all realize that LGF is just Charles talking to himself through all these accounts.
I’m glad he picked me to be the smart one.
re: #475 teleskiguy
If you like The Replacements, you could go ski Buck Hill (south of Minneapolis) and find out why that song is such a joke.
re: #478 Charles Johnson
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That’s right…. didn’t he have 3500 bucks at something like 20:1 odds on Cruz? Being stupid should be expensive.
RBS
re: #497 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
You can almost sled down it.
Lesson from Sanders speech: The revolution will be long winded.
— Annie Linskey (@AnnieLinskey) February 10, 2016
re: #478 Charles Johnson
Wait until Rage Furby wakes up in the morning after ALL the votes have been counted and Cruz drops in the standings.
re: #480 b_sharp
My avi is me.
Ah.
BTW, a year ago, when I was migrating to the current Old Machine, I discovered that I had never updated one program in the 6 years I’d been using it. I had to spend most of a day, SERIALLY updating it from version 7 to version 12.5. This included a number of sub-versions and sub-sub versions.
I’m what passes for a Bioinformatician here. Otherwise I’d have someone to do that for me.
re: #497 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
That’s a known trip hazard for toddlers.
re: #497 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
They gotta pile that cow poop somewhere.
We totally need a revolution lead by people who can’t be bothered to vote in elections except PotUS and usually then only for a third party type.
So what do the results mean? Who sticks around, who has to drop out, who has to walk the dog?
Did we ever find out if Wesearchr is a new LLC or not?
EMINENT DOMAIN!!
296 Iowa landowners decline Bakken pipeline
State utility regulators are wrestling with the fact that the owners of nearly 300 parcels of Iowa land have refused to voluntarily grant easements for the proposed Bakken oil pipeline, which would cross diagonally through 18 Iowa counties.
The Iowa Utilities Board met for nearly three hours Tuesday without reaching a decision on a request by Dakota Access LLC, for a state permit to build the 30-inch-diameter pipeline across 346 miles in Iowa. The board plans to resume deliberations Wednesday and is also scheduled to meet Thursday.
Dakota Access, a unit of Dallas-based Energy Transfer Partners, says it has voluntarily obtained signed easements for about 80 percent of the Iowa land parcels, which are primarily farmland. However, owners of the remaining 296 parcels could face condemnation proceedings if the pipeline is approved by state regulators who conclude eminent domain is justified under Iowa law.
[…]
So who called Dr. Ben’s supporters and told them Ben was dropping out?
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re: #515 Not a Sparkly Vampire
We totally need a revolution lead by people who can’t be bothered to vote in elections except PotUS and usually then only for a third party type.
And who lives in a state that borders every state.
re: #516 b_sharp
Oh nothing changed. It’s just NH.
re: #516 b_sharp
So what do the results mean? Who sticks around, who has to drop out, who has to walk the dog?
It’s up to the candidate.
They could all soldier on if they want to.
re: #497 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
I don’t call them mountains. They’re hills.
re: #499 stpaulbear
If you like The Replacements, you could go ski Buck Hill (south of Minneapolis) and find out why that song is such a joke.
Buck Hill, that’s where Lindsey Vonn started skiing. She didn’t get good until she moved to Vail.
Alex Jones: The ‘Pathetic Scum’ Supporting Bernie Sanders Need Their Jaws Broken
Jones laid out that liberals desperately crave that the United States becomes more like Mao Zedong-era China, and suggested that for “[living] off the backs of everybody that fought Nazism and communism, you need to have your jaws broken.” From there, the Info Wars host promised that reality was going to “crash in on you trash,” referring to the liberal-thinkers Jones said are compromising America’s sovereign republic for globalization.
Jones wasn’t content simply going after Sanders supporters, turning his ire against the self-described Democratic-Socialist himself. Jones tore into the Senator’s “fake Einstein hair” and portrayed his faithful fans as seemingly mentally-disabled drones barely capable of coherent speech. “As if the New World Order will give you anything for free,” Jones said, saying they were hypocritical “pathetic scum,” who will “burn in the camps.”
re: #504 Blind Frog Belly White
Ah.
BTW, a year ago, when I was migrating to the current Old Machine, I discovered that I had never updated one program in the 6 years I’d been using it. I had to spend most of a day, SERIALLY updating it from version 7 to version 12.5. This included a number of sub-versions and sub-sub versions.
I’m what passes for a Bioinformatician here. Otherwise I’d have someone to do that for me.
I ran my accounting software (MYOB) on a 3.1 system for many years. When I got a Vista system (kicking and screaming all the way) I found MYOB had gone from ver 2 to ver 11. I had to upgrade to version 6 or 7 on the 3.1 machine (updating the data file with each iteration) and then transfer to Vista and bring the whole thing up to date.
SC and NV will be interesting. Not nearly as white as Iowa and NH.
re: #515 Not a Sparkly Vampire
We totally need a revolution lead by people who can’t be bothered to vote in elections except PotUS and usually then only for a third party type.
*puffpuff* Dude, it’s a hassle for me to get out of bed, and you want me to stand in line to vote? Not happening!
Didn’t think #BernieSanders was going to get done before I had to turn the channel over to The People vs. OJ Simpson
— Agent P (@Mr25Smith) February 10, 2016
re: #526 HappyWarrior
SC and NV will be interesting. Not nearly as white as Iowa and NH.
It will either disspell or reinforce prevailing wisdom.
re: #513 thedopefishlives
No, not bots. We are Charles of Borg.
I am Popeye of Borg.
You will be askgimilated. Ack Ack Ack.
OK looks like Trump is getting ready.
Shall we take bets on what Special Guest Shock Word he’s going to drop in this speech?
re: #524 Amory Blaine
He seems nice. His newsletter may be worth getting. What was it called… Der Sturmer?
re: #530 Major Tom
It will either disspell or reinforce prevailing wisdom.
Let’s dispel once and for all with this prevailing wisdom that the Beltway media doesn’t know what it’s doing…
His parents would say, “This is something very special.”
Rich on the praise in the Trump family…
re: #533 Joe Bacon
OK looks like Trump is getting ready.
Shall we take bets on what Special Guest Shock Word he’s going to drop in this speech?
N*****. Trump needs to lock this down.
re: #524 Amory Blaine
Alex Jones: The ‘Pathetic Scum’ Supporting Bernie Sanders Need Their Jaws Broken
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And he cries about authoritarianism and is crying for Pogroms against Sanders supporters. Go choke on a bucket of piss, Alex.
re: #523 teleskiguy
I don’t call them mountains. They’re hills.
Buck Hill, that’s where Lindsey Vonn started skiing. She didn’t get good until she moved to Vail.
One of my newest extended relatives is an Olympic skier for New Zealand. He met my niece when he was stateside training in Colorado; she had gone out there for some snowboarding. Buck Hill is popular among my more winter-sport-oriented relatives, as is Hyland Park.
He drinks champagne out of a ruby slipper. pic.twitter.com/vrreVkn5Xc
— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) February 10, 2016
re: #491 teleskiguy
It says there are 151 Charles sock puppets currently logged in and that Charles has commented just a smidge over 11 million times.
You laugh, but there are actually more than a few right wingers who actually believe that shit!
re: #497 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
Geez, I would never have believed WI has a mountain!
I didn’t either, until I was driving through WI and all of a sudden - WTF - A mountain?
re: #524 Amory Blaine
Alex Jones: The ‘Pathetic Scum’ Supporting Bernie Sanders Need Their Jaws Broken
Alex Jones. This fuckin’ guy?
Turn the freaking frogs gay! RT @BuzzFeedAndrew: notable rand paul endorser https://t.co/psa3RbHZgQ
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 19, 2015
re: #524 Amory Blaine
Alex must be missing his Prolixin injections.
re: #544 teleskiguy
Everything with Alex Jones is a false flag. And let’s not forget his ace reporter, “Bionic” Dan Bidondi (who was filleted to crispness on the Bob and Chez show many moons ago.)
Here’s Alex Jone’s epic rant on BBC One Sunday Politics.
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