Say Goodbye to Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie

Bye now
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Two more Republican candidates are bailing out after their awful showings in New Hampshire: Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie.

Chris Christie may have dealt a death blow to Marco Rubio’s campaign in the last GOP debate by tagging him with a “robot” description he’ll never shed, but it was evidently a pyrrhic victory.

UPDATE at 2/10/16 2:10:49 pm by Charles Johnson

Earlier, Christie’s spokespeople were denying he had made the decision to bail out, but now it’s official.

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299 comments
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:09:52pm

I think Christie’s attacks on Rubio suggested that while a lot of the establishment has warmed to Ruboi, they themselves are still divided. Whether that’s because they see the very real flaws that Rubio has or that they just don’t like him remains to be seen. Anyhow wonder if either of these two offer an endorsement and if it has any effect. I doubt it very much.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:11:23pm

Christie’s going to play the role of Black Knight. His campaign flacks are saying that he’s not dead yet, even as every major news outlet has called him done.

No decision to suspend campaign has been made.

Guess he is looking for a bridge to his future and looking for how best to screw up the commute for one of his competitors.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:12:15pm

Bye Felicias

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:13:04pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Christie’s going to play the role of Black Knight. His campaign flacks are saying that he’s not dead yet, even as every major news outlet has called him done.

No decision to suspend campaign has been made.

Guess he is looking for a bridge to his future and looking for how best to screw up the commute for one of his competitors.

It would be in character for Christie to be soliciting bribes behind the scenes to determine his next target.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:14:49pm
Adios!
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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:15:44pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Christie’s going to play the role of Black Knight. His campaign flacks are saying that he’s not dead yet, even as every major news outlet has called him done.

No decision to suspend campaign has been made.

Guess he is looking for a bridge to his future and looking for how best to screw up the commute for one of his competitors.

The campaign; It’s dead Jim.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:17:50pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Christie’s going to play the role of Black Knight. His campaign flacks are saying that he’s not dead yet, even as every major news outlet has called him done.

No decision to suspend campaign has been made.

Guess he is looking for a bridge to his future and looking for how best to screw up the commute for one of his competitors.

I really hope he stays in the race, if for no other reason than to stand on a stage with Marco Rubio. Marco will be vibrating like a chihuahua on crack, as usual. Christie will stand at his podium, relaxed as a cobra sunning himself on a rock.

And then, as Cruz is answering another softball from the Fox moderators, off-camera, Christie will turn his head slowly to look Rubio in the eye. And smile. Just a little bit.

And Marco will pee down his leg in fear. Because he’ll know it is coming. Again. And there will be nothing - NOTHING - he can do to stop the beating he’s about to get.

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:17:57pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

I don’t see Fiornia moving the needle at all. Nor do I suspect that she will be on anyone’s short list for veep. Same with Christie, though I could see him getting consideration for AG if one of these clowns win in November

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:19:30pm

re: #8 KGxvi

I don’t see Fiornia moving the needle at all. Nor do I suspect that she will be on anyone’s short list for veep. Same with Christie, though I could see him getting consideration for AG if one of these clowns win in November

I think Christie yeah might get some for AG. Fiorina perhaps Sec of Treasury? That always seems to go to an executive type in Republican administrations.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:20:07pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Fiorina perhaps Sec of Treasury?

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:20:56pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I think Christie yeah might get some for AG. Fiorina perhaps Sec of Treasury? That always seems to go to an executive type in Republican administrations.

That’s because you run the government like a business. //

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:21:59pm

re: #10 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Ditto.

At best she gets an inconsequential ambassadorship. I’m still confused as to why she’s taken seriously after ruining two good brands in HP and Compaq

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:23:14pm

re: #12 KGxvi

And running Bell Labs / Lucent into the ground with accounting gimmickry that was only revealed after she left the company.

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nkdee  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:23:20pm

I wonder if Carly will screw her campaign staff out of their final paycheck like she did when she lost the Senate campaign.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:24:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:25:27pm

re: #2 lawhawk

Christie’s going to play the role of Black Knight. His campaign flacks are saying that he’s not dead yet, even as every major news outlet has called him done.

No decision to suspend campaign has been made.

Guess he is looking for a bridge to his future and looking for how best to screw up the commute for one of his competitors.

You’ll be stone dead in a moment!
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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:25:35pm

re: #13 lawhawk

And running Bell Labs / Lucent into the ground with accounting gimmickry that was only revealed after she left the company.

If GOPers ever admit Fiorina destroyed multiple tech companies like a one-person plague, they might now be so anti-science that they would view that as a positive accomplishment.

In any case, Fiorina as Treasury secretary is a ghastly thought. John Yoo on the supreme court is the only worse one that comes to mind.

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Viscous Obama  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:28:21pm

The Nation:

Of course, the idea of building a new political party terrifies most progressives, who understandably fear that it would open the door for a right-wing extremist to get elected. So we play the game of lesser evils. This game has gone on for decades. W.E.B. Du Bois, the eminent scholar and co-founder of the NAACP, shocked many when he refused to play along with this game in the 1956 election, defending his refusal to vote on the grounds that “there is but one evil party with two names, and it will be elected despite all I do or say.” While the true losers and winners of this game are highly predictable, the game of lesser evils makes for great entertainment and can now be viewed 24 hours a day on cable-news networks. Hillary believes that she can win this game in 2016 because this time she’s got us, the black vote, in her back pocket—her lucky card.

Democrats, saving the GOP from themselves since time immemorial

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KGxvi  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:30:22pm

re: #18 Viscous Obama

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:31:46pm

Look for Carly to start looking for money from Cruz to act as a “surrogate” for him on the campaign trail. She’s got a lot of love from the evangelicals for her batshit crazy ravings about struggling Babbies Get Their Braims Sucked Out!! — so having her talk to those subhumans would keep them in Cruz’ camp, while allowing him to go out and try to get the Angry Racist Dimwits that are Trump’s base.

GOP 2016: to win, you have to assemble the Coalition of Evil.

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:32:17pm

re: #18 Viscous Obama

I would hope that the Nation would understand our political system better than that. It’s nearly impossible to create a new large scale party. The last time that happened, we had a Civil War and the old party disappeared.

A winner take all system creates incentives for existing parties to coopt the messages of smaller parties if they become a threat. Maybe the Nation can ask scholars how much Du Bois’ boycott helped his cause.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:33:56pm

re: #18 Viscous Obama

This kind of analysis made much more sense in the 1956 election than it does today. The present day Republican party is such an abomination that there is no way for a Democratic party candidate to fairly be regarded as merely a ‘lesser evil’ compared to the GOP.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:33:59pm

No doubt Chucky will claim that this is all his doing. Twitter user growth misses estimates.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:34:48pm

re: #23 lawhawk

No doubt Chucky will claim that this is all his doing. Twitter user growth misses estimates.

From Facebook:

Charles C. Johnson
15 hrs * Traver *

I gave Twitter the chance to do the right thing.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:35:01pm

All 4 voters are devastated.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:36:00pm
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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:37:24pm

At Wonkette, there’s a (an) hilarious video of Jeb! giving a speech at a Rotary Club luncheon, and being cut off. He just shrugs, sits down and eats his lunch. :D
wonkette.com (second video, scroll down).

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:37:47pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

This kind of analysis made much more sense in the 1956 election than it does today. The present day Republican party is such an abomination that there is no way for a Democratic party candidate to fairly be regarded as merely a ‘lesser evil’ compared to the GOP.

To extremists, anything that does not exist at the extremes begins to look exactly the same. For years now, wingnuts have screamed that a “moderate” Republican was no different from a liberal Democrat, that if a Republican didn’t abide by Tea Bagger beliefs then he was effectively a liberal. I sure as fuck am not going to buy that now coming from elements of my own damned party. If it comes to it, I really will disown the DNC just as I did the GOP when they began that craziness.

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Egregious Philbin  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:40:24pm

Ah, Tony Soprano wannabe and Liar McLiarstone are gone.

Who were they again?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:41:38pm

re: #21 Belafon

I would hope that the Nation would understand our political system better than that.

Oh come now.

//

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:42:17pm

Here’s aceoaces, bringin’ it to Pax Dickinson.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:42:36pm

re: #20 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

Look for Carly to start looking for money from Cruz to act as a “surrogate” for him on the campaign trail. She’s got a lot of love from the evangelicals for her batshit crazy ravings about struggling Babbies Get Their Braims Sucked Out!! — so having her talk to those subhumans would keep them in Cruz’ camp, while allowing him to go out and try to get the Angry Racist Dimwits that are Trump’s base.

GOP 2016: to win, you have to assemble the Coalition of Evil.

That would be a nightmare. In the catalog of voices I hate, they are tied at one with a bullet.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:43:37pm

OT: Michigan Teacher of the Year loses her son to complications to influenza.

n the span of two days in January, Melody Arabo’s husband and three children all fell seriously ill.

In the following days they all recovered — except her six-year-old son Ashton, whose condition grew worse with high fever, pneumonia symptoms and a rash. The kindergartner from West Bloomfield was taken to an intensive care unit.

After a prolonged battle in critical condition, he was pronounced dead on Jan. 25. The cause was complications from flu.

Ashton may have been Michigan’s first pediatric flu-related death this year, though that could not be confirmed. Oakland County Health officials on Tuesday made an announcement to that effect, but did not identify the child.

Arabo declined to say whether Ashton had been vaccinated, saying she did not want to influence other parents in their decision.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:45:10pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:45:31pm

re: #33 Eric The Fruit Bat

OT: Michigan Teacher of the Year loses her son to complications to influenza.

So, the answer is no, but she doesn’t want to scare the other parents into getting their kids vaccinated.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:45:51pm

re: #8 KGxvi

I don’t see Fiornia moving the needle at all. Nor do I suspect that she will be on anyone’s short list for veep. Same with Christie, though I could see him getting consideration for AG if one of these clowns win in November

Trump won’t pick any of these losers. For anything.

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allegro  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:47:17pm

re: #35 Belafon

So, the answer is no, but she doesn’t want to scare the other parents into getting their kids vaccinated.

Yeah, her entire family getting the flu is kind of a clue.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:47:37pm

re: #34 Kragar

Possibly the best part of starting a business with Chuck is all the haters who are going to be butthurt about it when we succeed.
— Pax Dickinson

“Speaking of which, we need our followers to send us money and stuff so we can succeed and silence our haters.”

/

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:48:33pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:49:20pm

re: #23 lawhawk

No doubt Chucky will claim that this is all his doing. Twitter user growth misses estimates.

Could have missed it because of all the terrorist accounts they’ve been (slowly) deleting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:49:36pm
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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:50:21pm

“Yeah, we’ve done a pretty great job at seeding the rumor mill with disinformation. Thanks for noticing.”

The business plan of the U.S. right-wing in a nutshell.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:55:12pm

Evil Asshole Texas Man Shoots Puppy That Pooped In His Yard, Finds Himself On The Receiving End Of Gunfire

If only the puppy had been armed too.

Unfortunately, the dog shooter was not injured. He is under arrest however, along with his roommate. The pro-puppy vigilante who shot at them was questioned but not arrested.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:57:11pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:59:21pm

Woman’s body was in Salinas Walmart parking lot for months

A young Marina woman’s body was in a busy parking lot for three months before anyone noticed something was wrong, investigators said Tuesday.

Lauren Jessie Moss, 22, was found dead inside her silver Volkswagen Jetta. The car was parked outside a Walmart store in Salinas near East Boronda Road and North Main Street.

[…]

Salinas police said her car had dark-tinted windows, and a sunshade was covering the dashboard, making it difficult to spot someone inside.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 1:59:22pm

Chris Christie — the brash New Jersey governor whose fast rise in Republican politics was undone by a petty scheme to clog traffic on a bridge — has decided to suspend his presidential campaign, according to two Republicans briefed on his deliberations.

Christie held a meeting and conference call with campaign staff at 4 p.m. to inform them of his decision, the Republicans said.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:00:13pm

Things get worse for the smirkmeister…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:02:04pm

gop establishment

somebody disconnect the toaster

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:05:28pm

re: #18 Viscous Obama

the game of lesser evils makes for great entertainment and can now be viewed 24 hours a day on cable-news networks. Hillary believes that she can win this game in 2016

i object to the assumption that hillary is evil

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:06:46pm

re: #46 blueraven

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Well, I guess the “I’m not dead yet!” announcement was a trial balloon, one which went over like the proverbial lead balloon.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:06:51pm

re: #6 blueraven

Damn it, Jim! I’m a surgeon, not a papaloi.

Which is what it would take to get Christie’s campaign back on its feet. Just keep it away from salt and meat.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:07:39pm

re: #14 nkdee

I wonder if Carly will screw her campaign staff out of their final paycheck like she did when she lost the Senate campaign.

Not taking any bets on that.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:08:49pm

Enjoying the silence of the demon sheep.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:09:15pm

re: #19 KGxvi

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die

If you’re lucky you die.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:09:32pm

everything you used to know about american politics is now wrong

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:10:58pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:11:43pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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So we’re down to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Bush, and that other guy. Good lord, talk about the most pathetic bump of rejects this side of 2012.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:12:31pm

re: #33 Eric The Fruit Bat

Arabo declined to say whether Ashton had been vaccinated, saying she did not want to influence other parents in their decision.

In other words, no, her child was not vaccinated.

Poor kid.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:17:07pm
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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:17:13pm

Updated with CGI…

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danarchy  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:17:39pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Evil Asshole Texas Man Shoots Puppy That Pooped In His Yard, Finds Himself On The Receiving End Of Gunfire

If only the puppy had been armed too.

Unfortunately, the dog shooter was not injured. He is under arrest however, along with his roommate. The pro-puppy vigilante who shot at them was questioned but not arrested.

Think you read that wrong, both shooters were arrested, the roommate and neighbor were questioned but not arrested.

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DMC123  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:20:06pm

re: #7 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

I registered with LGF just to tell you to never stop being awesome.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:23:11pm

re: #63 DMC123

Welcome, purposeful hatchling.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:23:43pm

re: #63 DMC123

Welcome Hatchling :)

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:25:18pm

In endorsing Bernie, Ben Jealous hits Hillary on 90s crime bill, which Sanders actually voted for. (that is different for some reason) Hillary, of course, was in no position to vote for it. She was FLOTUS.

It kind of pisses me off that some people are going back more than 2 decades and cherry picking. It was a different climate then. Many compromises…the art of the possible.

I thought Bernie voters say they are all about the future? Guess not.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:26:00pm

re: #66 blueraven

Lots of them can sure hold a grudge.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:26:43pm

re: #62 danarchy

Think you read that wrong, both shooters were arrested, the roommate and neighbor were questioned but not arrested.

Oops. You are right, the puppy shooter and the woman who shot at him are both under arrest. Too late to edit though.

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:27:17pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Evil Asshole Texas Man Shoots Puppy That Pooped In His Yard, Finds Himself On The Receiving End Of Gunfire

If only the puppy had been armed too… The pro-puppy vigilante who shot at them was questioned but not arrested.

I offer free shooting lessons to pro puppy shooter till that guy (?) can hit a nickel at 25 yards in a hurry. Ammunition & lunch included.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:30:04pm

re: #67 Nyet

Just wait for when he doesn’t get the nomination and he offers his endorsement of Hillary. They’ll turn on him.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:31:41pm

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

I sorta hope he gets the VP slot. Will be fun!

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:32:33pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:34:12pm

re: #72 blueraven

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:34:50pm

re: #71 Nyet

And Trump should pick Joe Arpaio.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:34:58pm

Hmm…
If they make it less complicated without farking it up I could be for that. Hopefully they do something about @ names taking up half your characters or more with multiparty tweets too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:35:45pm

re: #66 blueraven

In endorsing Bernie, Ben Jealous hits Hillary on 90s crime bill, which Sanders actually voted for. (that is different for some reason) Hillary, of course, was in no position to vote for it. She was FLOTUS.

It kind of pisses me off that some people are going back more than 2 decades and cherry picking. It was a different climate then. Many compromises…the art of the possible.

I thought Bernie voters say they are all about the future? Guess not.

Bernie gets a pass for a lot of stuff. Annoys the crap out of me. I don’t think Clinton should get a pass for that matter on things she’s actually voted for. Of which this isn’t.

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DMC123  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:35:53pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

Thank you Wrenchwench!. Feathers are still wet.

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thecommodore  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:38:20pm

So much for Christie “beating Hillary’s rear end” on a debate stage….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:38:46pm

re: #78 thecommodore

So much for Christie “beating Hillary’s rear end” on a debate stage….

He’ll always have his dreams.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:39:20pm

re: #77 DMC123

PSA: Scales, we’re all “lizards” here. Don’t worry we don’t bite (much).

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:39:40pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:39:54pm

Sanders has been a part of the Dem “establishment” for years, relying upon them not simply to discourage or withhold funding for challengers to his seat, but even providing campaign advertising for him (using *gasp!* corporate donations). And in return, he’s been caucusing with them in Congress for years and supported many of the same bills that the “establishment” wanted. Not to mention his chummy relationship with the NRA, when his supporters would tear their hair out if it were even suggested that Hillary was supportive of the NRA.

This whole “political outsider” schtick is as transparent as it was when it was Crazy Uncle Liberty running on it. He’s an “outsider” until reelection, when he calls on the DNC to work over anybody who thinks to challenge his fiefdom.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:40:05pm

re: #78 thecommodore

So much for Christie “beating Hillary’s rear end” on a debate stage….

He’ll just have to be content with beating her to the front of the buffet line.

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:40:59pm
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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:42:16pm

re: #84 Lidane

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Holy fucking tone deaf.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:42:34pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Sanders has been a part of the Dem “establishment” for years, relying upon them not simply to discourage or withhold funding for challengers to his seat, but even providing campaign advertising for him (using *gasp!* corporate donations). And in return, he’s been caucusing with them in Congress for years and supported many of the same bills that the “establishment” wanted. Not to mention his chummy relationship with the NRA, when his supporters would tear their hair out if it were even suggested that Hillary was supportive of the NRA.

This whole “political outsider” schtick is as transparent as it was when it was Crazy Uncle Liberty running on it. He’s an “outsider” until reelection, when he calls on the DNC to work over anybody who thinks to challenge his fiefdom.

Correct.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:42:45pm

re: #84 Lidane

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for fuck sake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:43:04pm

SMOTI is already blaming Beyonce…

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:43:43pm

re: #84 Lidane

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First the CPD cops kill him, now they’re driving his family nuts seeking reimbursement for killing him.

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Lidane  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:44:00pm

re: #6 blueraven

The campaign; It’s dead Jim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:44:13pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SMOTI is already blaming Beyonce…

How come they never blame the Budny ranch assholes for hostility and violence towards LEO? Oh wait, I already know, they’re not black and wingnuts are okay with wingnuts actually using threatening language and actions towards law enforcement as long as they deem their cause sympathetic.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:44:17pm

re: #80 ausador

PSA: Scales, we’re all “lizards” here. Don’t worry we don’t bite (much).

There were feathered dinosaurs, there could be feathered lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:44:33pm

re: #89 lawhawk

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First the CPD cops kill him, now they’re driving his family nuts seeking reimbursement for killing him.

Special place in hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:45:27pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

There were feathered dinosaurs, there could be feathered lizards.

And they are fabulously feathered lizards!

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Mike Lamb  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:45:35pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

How come they never blame the Budny ranch assholes for hostility and violence towards LEO? Oh wait, I already know, they’re not black and wingnuts are okay with wingnuts actually using threatening language and actions towards law enforcement as long as they deem their cause sympathetic.

Zee question, es rhetorical, no?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:47:29pm

re: #95 Mike Lamb

Zee question, es rhetorical, no?

Ja. I know the answer. I just want to see them actually try to explain why it’s okay to Cliven Bundy and his gang of assholes to aim weapons at law enforcement and how that’s somehow benign compared to a song criticizing the police for killing unarmed people. It’s yet another example of why the conservative movement is a movement of hypocritical cowards.

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lawhawk  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:47:46pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

The suspect was shot and killed in a gun fight shortly after. The officers have not been identified pending family notifications. The shooter was identified as:

The suspect was identified as David Brian Evans, 67. There were two warrants for Evans’ arrest, Gahler said., one in Florida for assaulting a police officer and fleeing and eluding, and a civil warrant in Harford County

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:48:28pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SMOTI is already blaming Beyonce…

Funny, I blame the Bundy terrorists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:48:42pm

re: #84 Lidane

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And this happened in Chicago:

He’s suing for $10 million

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:48:50pm

re: #97 lawhawk

The suspect was shot and killed in a gun fight shortly after. The officers have not been identified pending family notifications. The shooter was identified as:

Sounds like a man who would be inspired by Beyonce!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:50:05pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this happened in Chicago:

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He’s suing for $10 million

And this isn’t the first time this has happened either. Unbelievable. And then they cry like babies when a musical artist like Beyonce has the “nerve” to criticize them. Emotional damages? Motherfucker you killed their family member. Inconsiderate fucker.

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:52:36pm

Bernie skips senate vote on sanctions for NK. Remember he said NK was his biggest FP worry. They have those crazy Dictators!!

He met with Al Sharpton in NY and made a stop at “The View” instead.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:53:03pm

re: #71 Nyet

I could live with that for the first term.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:53:32pm

re: #102 blueraven

Bernie skips senate vote on sanction for NK. Remember he said NK was his biggest FP worry. They have those crazy Dictators!!

He met with Al Sharpton in NY and made a stop at “The View” instead.

Bernie avoiding a foreign policy vote to work on the minority vote? I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:53:42pm

re: #102 blueraven

Bernie skips senate vote on sanction for NK. Remember he said NK was his biggest FP worry. They have those crazy Dictators!!

He met with Al Sharpton in NY and made a stop at “The View” instead.

If we’re going to criticize Rubio for talking about how ISIS is a big threat and then skipping out on hearings so he can be on the talk shows and attend fundraisers than it is fair to criticize Bernie for this.

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:54:33pm

re: #102 blueraven

Bernie skips senate vote on sanction for NK. Remember he said NK was his biggest FP worry. They have those crazy Dictators!!

He met with Al Sharpton in NY and made a stop at “The View” instead.

Might just be The View has a far larger impact than the sanctions on NK.
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:54:41pm

I get that Senators who run for president are going ot miss votes but as gotten at, it just rings hollow to say something is a major problem and then not to show up.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:57:57pm

My tears, let me show you them.

Just kidding, this is awesome. BAI BITCHES! That’s two more tool factories who won’t get executive control of nuclear weapons. Happy day.

Also, my cat has been sick for a couple of weeks, but today at least I came home and… (reference to gross detail)…

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:58:13pm

I was talking with my one brother on Sunday and he brought up the fact that many Republican governors have tried and are still trying to break up public employee unions, like John Kasich here in Ohio.

My brother brought up a good point. If police unions are busted, who is going to stand up for the cops when they do bad shootings like what has happened in Cleveland and elsewhere.

Many of the police in this country are conservatives. Do they realize if their beloved Republican politicians kill unions they are going to be facing angry public groups about police brutality without representation? How will they be as protected as they are now?

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:58:36pm

re: #106 Great White Snark

Might just be The View has a far larger impact than the sanctions on NK.
//

Bernie turns into typical politician. Maybe he will draw some scrutiny, finally.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:58:41pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Speaking of…

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ObserverArt  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:59:01pm

re: #102 blueraven

Bernie skips senate vote on sanctions for NK. Remember he said NK was his biggest FP worry. They have those crazy Dictators!!

He met with Al Sharpton in NY and made a stop at “The View” instead.

Acting like just another ol’ politician.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:59:28pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I get that Senators who run for president are going ot miss votes but as gotten at, it just rings hollow to say something is a major problem and then not to show up.

What it tells me is that Bernie knows that the vote is going to hurt him, one way or another. He votes in the affirmative, then his supporters start to worry that he’s just another warmonger. He votes against the sanctions, then he shows that his whole butchmeup act with NK is a lie and he’s not ready to confront our enemies.

But ducking the vote speaks just as loudly that the man is afraid to make a decision and then stick by it. Of course, I don’t expect his fan club to see it that way, I expect them to change the subject or just go back to the standard chant: “Hillary voted for Iraq!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 2:59:53pm

re: #111 Kragar

Speaking of…

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I guarantee he wouldn’t be there if he had finished above 5th place last night.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:00:51pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Acting like just another ol’ politician.

To be honest I’d be fine with it if I didn’t have to be told that Bernie’s DIFFERENT and Hillary is SAME OLD. They’re both politicians.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:01:39pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

What it tells me is that Bernie knows that the vote is going to hurt him, one way or another. He votes in the affirmative, then his supporters start to worry that he’s just another warmonger. He votes against the sanctions, then he shows that his whole butchmeup act with NK is a lie and he’s not ready to confront our enemies.

But ducking the vote speaks just as loudly that the man is afraid to make a decision and then stick by it. Of course, I don’t expect his fan club to see it that way, I expect them to change the subject or just go back to the standard chant: “Hillary voted for Iraq!!!”

I think you’re right about that unfortunately.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:01:58pm

Meanwhile here is the guy whom Bernie wants as an ally in the fight against ISIS:

nbcnews.com

A top State Department official told Congress Wednesday that an attempt by Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces to encircle the city of Aleppo is causing “a humanitarian catastrophe” — but officials and outside experts tell NBC News the U.S. is not prepared to take military steps to stop it.

Brett McGurk, the State Department official coordinating the effort against ISIS, told the House Foreign Affairs Committee that military moves by the Assad regime, backed by Russian air strikes and Iranian logistical support, have created a flood of refugees that is “unacceptable.”

Russian-backed Aleppo offensive ‘kills hundreds’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:03:29pm

re: #117 Nyet

Meanwhile here is the guy whom Bernie wants as an ally in the fight against ISIS:

Russian-backed Aleppo offensive ‘kills hundreds’

Agh. I may be significantly less hawkish than Clinton is but I also think Sanders’ element of the left is utterly clueless about foreign policy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:03:32pm

re: #117 Nyet

Considering Russia’s actions in Europe and Syria, I want someone who is going to own Putin’s cajones.

That’s why I want Clinton. She can be tough on Foreign Policy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:08pm

The Clinton campaign should hit Sanders with his absence from the sanctions vote, even highlight that Rubio took time from the campaign trail to show up. Then ask if Sanders thinks he can duck out on decisions like when he’s the president and not simply a senator who can explain his absence as campaign-related.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:11pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering Russia’s actions in Europe and Syria, I want someone who is going to own Putin’s cajones.

That’s why I want Clinton. She can be tough on Foreign Policy.

We don’t agree all that often. But here we agree.

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:13pm

Two state health researchers in Texas are under fire for co-authoring a study suggesting what Republican leaders have long disputed: cuts to Planned Parenthood are restricting access to women’s health care.

Texas Health Commissioner Chris Traylor has not said whether the researchers, one a high-level director with more than 20 years in state government, will be disciplined. But a spokesman made it clear that the agency agrees with outraged Republicans over the researchers’ contributions to a study that the GOP sees as flawed and biased.

The study was published last week in the New England Journal of Medicine, one of the most prominent medical journals in the nation. It found that fewer women in Texas have obtained long-acting birth control, such as intrauterine devices, after the GOP-controlled Legislature booted the nation’s largest abortion provider from a state women’s health program in 2013. Births paid for under Medicaid also increased among some women.

Powerful Republican state Sen. Jane Nelson dismissed the findings as invalid, in part because the research was funded by the nonprofit Susan T. Buffet Foundation, which is a major supporter of Planned Parenthood and other abortion rights groups.

[…]

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:14pm

So at the press conference by the DOJ in re: Ferguson

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Timothy Watson  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:44pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SMOTI is already blaming Beyonce…

In a county which is only 12.7% black.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:04:58pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

Considering Russia’s actions in Europe and Syria, I want someone who is going to own Putin’s cajones.

That’s why I want Clinton. She can be tough on Foreign Policy.

What I appreciate is I know she’s going to surround herself with capable people on the issue. I have no idea who Sanders’ FP advisers are but spidey sense tells me they’re not as shrewd or intelligent as what Clinton has.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:05:27pm

re: #121 Nyet

Also, she will be able to defend the gains Obama has made up until now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:05:51pm

re: #123 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

So at the press conference by the DOJ in re: Ferguson

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The fuck seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:06:25pm

re: #124 Timothy Watson

In a county which is only 12.7% black.

The guy was also in his 60’s too. Something tells me I doubt his views on the police have anything to do with Beyonce.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:07:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:08:19pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Even Rubio bothered to show up. Rubio. Come the fuck on Bernie. Don’t tell us you think NK is the most serious foreign matter pressing us and then not even vote.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:08:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:09:32pm

re: #131 Kragar

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blueraven  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:09:44pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

To be honest I’d be fine with it if I didn’t have to be told that Bernie’s DIFFERENT and Hillary is SAME OLD. They’re both politicians.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:11:30pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:12:20pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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It’s almost like she expects to make money doing it, too. What a silly woman.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:12:36pm

re: #133 blueraven

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Right. I mean I just want them to realize that Bernie does many of the same things that they bother them about Clinton.

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thecommodore  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:12:58pm

re: #84 Lidane

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:13:35pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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Making stuff up? I wasn’t aware Harry Potter was a multi-volume non fiction read into the real world of wizards and no nose guys.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:14:36pm

One of the best articles I’ve read though was by the former Democratic governor of Vermont, a woman who ran against Bernie. A woman whose record is plenty progressive but also had to deal with some attacks that she wasn’t progressive enough. Madeline Kunin.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:14:37pm

re: #117 Nyet

Meanwhile here is the guy whom Bernie wants as an ally in the fight against ISIS:

Russian-backed Aleppo offensive ‘kills hundreds’

If we clamp more sanctions on Russia, is that going to cut off the ads from lonely Russian women who like older men? Just asking.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:15:38pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

If we clamp more sanctions on Russia, is that going to cut of the ads from lonely Russian women who like older men? Just asking.

You’re asking for a friend right?

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:15:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:16:29pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

You’re asking for a friend right?

It’s just a foreign relations thing

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:19:45pm

Might pro Bernie Dem voters feel burned by an HRC win?

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:20:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:21:02pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

Might pro Bernie Dem voters feel burned by an HRC win?

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Well there was a worry that Hillary voters would be upset by an Obama win and sit 2008 out and that ended up not being the case. Some certainly might but I think most will see the big picture.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:21:25pm

re: #145 Kragar

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But he’s a moderate because he doesn’t eat his own shit and wear roadkill for hair!

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:25:09pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

Might pro Bernie Dem voters feel burned by an HRC win?

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Better question: What percentage of the Bernie vote would actually show up on Election Day anyway? My guess is less than 75%.

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:25:12pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Well there was a worry that Hillary voters would be upset by an Obama win and sit 2008 out and that ended up not being the case. Some certainly might but I think most will see the big picture.

That may be the sole upside of a truly ugly horrible GOP primary winner. Someone so far out there they put off moderates of all descriptions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:26:02pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

That may be the sole upside of a truly ugly horrible GOP primary winner. Someone so far out there they put off moderates of all descriptions.

Yeah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:29:22pm

ummmm……..

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm……..

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It will be easier to tell whose rights get tossed on a bonfire when the Republicans take over again.
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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:30:34pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

That may be the sole upside of a truly ugly horrible GOP primary winner. Someone so far out there they put off moderates of all descriptions.

The diehard Bernie supporters have been telling me for weeks now that they’d rather have a Republican win come November. Why? Because things will get horrible again and even worse off, such that the voters will be desperate for “real change” and vote Bernie or someone like him to the White House.

It’s a very…Bolshevik frame of mind.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:31:33pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm……..

Bill to establish 2 marriage licenses in Ky, one gender neutral and the other to make it clear you’re not gay.

Will there be an exam?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:31:41pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm……..

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Here’s a solution. If you’re uncomfortable giving out marriage licenses to gay couples, don’t get a job that requires you do it. I’m not comfortable with spying on people hence why I’ve never applied for a job at the CIA. Should be simple but these idiots want to make this more complicated than ti should be.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:32:12pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm……..

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“Separate, but equal.”

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:32:17pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Better question: What percentage of the Bernie vote would actually show up on Election Day anyway? My guess is less than 75%.

Well not my crowd, but if he has a lot of Greens /Peace And Freedom / American communist that would not go well. I suspect voting habits among the far left may be abysmal via their ongoing disappointment with Obama etc. But really guessing

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:32:29pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

The diehard Bernie supporters have been telling me for weeks now that they’d rather have a Republican win come November. Why? Because things will get horrible again and even worse off, such that the voters will be desperate for “real change” and vote Bernie or someone like him to the White House.

It’s a very…Bolshevik frame of mind.

They say that but I wonder how they’ll feel when the possibility of President Trump or Cruz stares them in the face. It is a very Bolshevik way of acting though and one I am glad their candidate for all our criticisms of him does not embrace.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:32:33pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

The diehard Bernie supporters have been telling me for weeks now that they’d rather have a Republican win come November. Why? Because things will get horrible again and even worse off, such that the voters will be desperate for “real change” and vote Bernie or someone like him to the White House.

It’s a very…Bolshevik frame of mind.

That’s getting your cloward pivened.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:33:00pm

re: #157 Great White Snark

Well not my crowd, but if he has a lot of Greens /Peace And Freedom / American communist that would not go well. I suspect voting habits among the far left may be abysmal via their ongoing disappointment with Obama etc. But really guessing

Well I honestly wonder how much of the far left was actually voting for Obama.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:33:57pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

The diehard Bernie supporters have been telling me for weeks now that they’d rather have a Republican win come November. Why? Because things will get horrible again and even worse off, such that the voters will be desperate for “real change” and vote Bernie or someone like him to the White House.

It’s a very…Bolshevik frame of mind.

A jolly lot of good that will do. By then they’ll have done sufficient damage and stacked SCOTUS with wingnuts and we’ll be screwed for decades.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:34:42pm

Even with Bernie running on the Democratic side, there’s still Jill Stein. What Bernie supporters will learn the hard way is that there are people out there who will think Bernie is a compromise in himself. I mean have your ideals all you want but just be aware that there’s always someone out there who thinks they’re the purest of them all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:35:06pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

A jolly lot of good that will do. By then they’ll have done sufficient damage and stacked SCOTUS with wingnuts and we’ll be screwed for decades.

But hey at least we stood by our princpiles! //

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:36:45pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

A jolly lot of good that will do. By then they’ll have done sufficient damage and stacked SCOTUS with wingnuts and we’ll be screwed for decades.

You’re looking at things rationally. From the point of view of a true believer, one of two things will happen: Either the voters will raise so much of a ruckus that the system will change and those judges won’t matter…or there will be a bloody revolution that will lead to a renewal of our democracy.

Funny how the extremes have come around to form a circle, isn’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:37:39pm
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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:38:24pm

More rightwing “humor.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:38:41pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bill to establish 2 marriage licenses in Ky, one gender neutral and the other to make it clear you’re not gay.

separate but equal (except in the eyes of the Lord)

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:38:55pm

re: #166 ausador

More rightwing “humor.”

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Convicted felon says what?

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:40:42pm

re: #166 ausador

More rightwing “humor.”

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Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:41:10pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

But hey at least we stood by our princpiles! //

It’s a good thing to stand on your principles. It’s a terrible error to let them stand over you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:41:24pm

heh

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:41:25pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmm……..

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Gee, isn’t there anything else for the Kentucky Legislature to do than make a separate, “Totally Not Gay! Really!” marriage license?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:42:31pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Gee, isn’t there anything else for the Kentucky Legislature to do than make a separate, “Totally Not Gay! Really!” marriage license?

Guess not, especially after the spectacular fail yesterday to defund PP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:44:35pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

The diehard Bernie supporters have been telling me for weeks now that they’d rather have a Republican win come November. Why? Because things will get horrible again and even worse off, such that the voters will be desperate for “real change” and vote Bernie or someone like him to the White House.

It’s a very…Bolshevik frame of mind.

It’s a load of Bullshevik.

The whole “Let’s let everything go completely to shit! Then they’ll REALLY want us back!” smacks of “”You’ll feel bad when I’m dead!”, and demonstrates an adolescent level of thinking. How well did that work out for the Nader voters in 2000?

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wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:47:33pm

I remember the morning after, Dad walking down the hall, my brother asking him how the primary was, and Dad answering, ‘Kennedy got shot.’ That got me out of bed.

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Sophist: Domo Arigato, Marco Ruboto  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:47:41pm
Chris Christie may have dealt a death blow to Marco Rubio’s campaign in the last GOP debate by tagging him with a “robot” description he’ll never shed, but it was evidently a pyrrhic victory.

At the end of the Emperor’s New Clothes parable, the kid who pointed out that he was naked didn’t get enthroned as the new emperor.

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WhatEVs  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:47:51pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Separate but equal(ish).

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:48:14pm

Just a quick bit of brain bleach: A true story that’ll restore some of your faith in humanity after listening to obnoxious politicians and their even more obnoxious supporters:

Dobri Dobrev

Photographs show Dobri Dobrev, a 98-year-old man in Sofia who collects money for the restoration of monasteries and churches.

✔ True (but he’s 101 now)

Origins: The photos of the elderly man with a beard reproduced above are familiar to many Bulgarians, who recognize 98-year-old Dobri Dobrev as a fixture on the streets of Sofia, where he regularly begs for money. What many didn’t know until fairly recently was that Dobrev wasn’t begging for himself: he has lived off his monthly government pension and some assistance provided by others, while donating all the money he had collected (estimated at about 40,000 euros) to help cover the costs of restoring decaying Bulgarian monasteries and churches and paying the utility bills of orphanages. […]

Elder Dobri from Baylovo - Bulgaria

snopes.com

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:48:31pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Gee, isn’t there anything else for the Kentucky Legislature to do than make a separate, “Totally Not Gay! Really!” marriage license?

They haven’t voted to issue “Not Gay” license plates. Yet.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:48:55pm

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a load of Bullshevik.

The whole “Let’s let everything go completely to shit! Then they’ll REALLY want us back!” smacks of “”You’ll feel bad when I’m dead!”, and demonstrates an adolescent level of thinking. How well did that work out for the Nader voters in 2000?

It’s also the same foundation upon which the “Bernie or Bust” promises exist, that they’ll extort the party into giving Bernie the nomination by getting millions of signatures on an internet petition and then showing it to the DNC with the assertion that if Hillary is nominated, she’ll lose because nobody will show up to vote for her.

Or, for those playing the home game, the same exact “threat” they make every 4 years.

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:49:04pm
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thecommodore  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:51:52pm

I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but here’s some really happy news about a pup named Bobby in Miami. He had been abandoned at a shelter right before Christmas, and it was looking like no one wanted to adopt him, but a post on Facebook went viral and…well read the story. :)

miami.cbslocal.com

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thecommodore  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:53:33pm
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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:53:59pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

You’re looking at things rationally. From the point of view of a true believer, one of two things will happen: Either the voters will raise so much of a ruckus that the system will change and those judges won’t matter…or there will be a bloody revolution that will lead to a renewal of our democracy.

Funny how the extremes have come around to form a circle, isn’t it?

As I said to Gus earlier on Twitter:

It’s like everyone’s pointing their fingers at each other screaming “hater!” then saying they’re going to tkae their toys and go home if they can’t have a real unicorn.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:55:43pm

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:56:43pm

re: #181 Kragar

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I took the “I side with…” test and got 98% match to BOTH Hillary and Bernie. I’d say it’s pushing it so suggest their level of agreement is as low as 75%. The ‘Dolls And Dishes’ crowd have the same approach to fixing America’s issues as Ra’s al Ghul had to fixing Gotham’s.

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retired cynic  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:56:45pm

re: #185 ausador

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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How STOOPID!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:56:49pm
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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:57:01pm

re: #185 ausador

Trump level stupidity (and bigotry).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:57:10pm

re: #185 ausador

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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Anyone tell him to iss off?

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:57:18pm
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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:08pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

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I remember the morning after, Dad walking down the hall, my brother asking him how the primary was, and Dad answering, ‘Kennedy got shot.’ That got me out of bed.

I remember it too. I was shocked.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:37pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Anyone tell him to iss off?

Stupid rick.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:42pm

How can there be “Israel” if Hebrew doesn’t have vowels? Huh? Huuuh? ///

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:58:42pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

P.S. I know all of you aren’t religious or even believers, but regardless it’s nice to see a believer who’s truly humble & selfless when you look at all the hatefulness perpetrated by so many other under the guise of “godliness.”

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:59:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:59:30pm

re: #191 Kragar

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“But apart from that, what have the Romans Democrats ever done for us?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 3:59:32pm

re: #185 ausador

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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*facepalm*

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:00:23pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

P.S. I know all of you aren’t religious or even believers, but regardless it’s nice to see a believer who’s truly humble & selfless …”

Most are. They just suck at PR.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:01:30pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Most are. They just suck at PR.

Heh, yeah kinda hard to be humble and do good PR.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:03:05pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah kinda hard to be humble and do good PR.

“Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.” (4th Book of Moses, 12:3).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:05:02pm

re: #201 Nyet

“Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.” (4th Book of Moses, 12:3).

“We’re Number Something!!”

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:05:08pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

P.S. I know all of you aren’t religious or even believers, but regardless it’s nice to see a believer who’s truly humble & selfless when you look at all the hatefulness perpetrated by so many other under the guise of “godliness.”

It must be somewhat difficult for you and other LGF theists with so many agnostics & atheists, some rather outspoken, here.

Just for myself, I’m damned glad you’re here. It wouldn’t be LGF without your part in its diversity.

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gocart mozart  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:05:20pm

re: #166 ausador

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:06:23pm

Wow you might think Dana Muhgunz was a feminist or something==>

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:06:46pm

I’m really disappointed to see so many fellow lizards be disparaging of supporters of Sanders. Most of the people I know support Sanders, but every single one of them has also stated that they will vote for Hillary Clinton should she get the nomination. There’s no babyish “I’ll just vote for anyone else, but her” because they all realize what a disaster it would be to have a Republican president in office. The Clinton supporters I know have also stated they will vote for Sanders should he get the nomination. Maybe I hang out with a more rational group of people.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:06:54pm

Oh and who does she blame==>

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Kragar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:07:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:07:16pm

re: #201 Nyet

“Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.” (4th Book of Moses, 12:3).

“Oh, Mister Copperfield, I’m so ‘umble, so very ‘umble!”

No, not the band. The guy.
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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:08:02pm

re: #166 ausador

More rightwing “humor.”

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Considering you’ve actually been arrested DInesh, maybe you shouldn’t throw stones.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:08:19pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

Speaking of hateful & definitely NOT humble believers, I checked out @LouisFarrakhan’s Twitter timeline today. Here’s a little taste of the poison:

Ugh.

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IngisKahn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:08:25pm

re: #181 Kragar

It’s nearly impossible to have an argument with these people. PZ posted about how it’s important to vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn’t make it and a Bernie bot showed up in the comments. Was a real ::headdesk:: thread.

“And you don’t seem to get that Romney and Obama were and Clinton and Cruz potentially are identical in every respect.”

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Jack Burton  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:08:44pm

re: #185 ausador

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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It’s called Al Filastiniyyah in Arabic.

Fucking brainiacs.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:08:53pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and who does she blame==>

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Comrade Trump is a notorious lefty.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:09:14pm

re: #185 ausador

Checkmate ” alestinians”

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And here i thought this kind of dumb shit was only reserved for American right wing fuckwits.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:10:34pm

re: #211 CuriousLurker

Nah, what can you expect from a racist hate cult.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:10:36pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

And here i thought this kind of dumb shit was only reserved for American right wing fuckwits.

Yeah, that’s practically “Pigeon craps all over the board” level of discourse.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:10:58pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

And here i thought this kind of dumb shit was only reserved for American right wing fuckwits.

Fuckwits the world over share a limited set of traits.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:11:09pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and who does she blame==>

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Really Dana because Trupm seems to be doing just fine with the GOP and conservatives considering he just finished second and first in primaries. Trump is all yours baby. Right wing and Republican. But if it gets you through the night convicing yourself that Donald is actually a liberal than whatever but it doesn’t make it true.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:12:13pm

re: #211 CuriousLurker

Speaking of hateful & definitely NOT humble believers, I checked out @LouisFarrakhan’s Twitter timeline today. Here’s a little taste of the poison:

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Ugh.

But, you know, he is, of course, the most important leader of both black people and muslims. At least, that’s what my wingnut friends told me.
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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:12:38pm

re: #203 b_sharp

It must be somewhat difficult for you and other LGF theists with so many agnostics & atheists, some rather outspoken, here.

Just for myself, I’m damned glad you’re here. It wouldn’t be LGF without your part in its diversity.

Sometimes I feel a little twitchy, but for the most part I’m glad you guys are here too. I’ve grown pretty fond of most of you. But shhh, don’t tell anyone, k?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:12:58pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, he is, of course, the most important leader of both black people and muslims. At least, that’s what my wingnut friends told me.
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Ah is that like how we only listen to Michael Moore and Bill Maher as well?

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sagehen  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:15:15pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

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I remember the morning after, Dad walking down the hall, my brother asking him how the primary was, and Dad answering, ‘Kennedy got shot.’ That got me out of bed.

My family was watching election coverage on TV; that’s the one and only time in my entire life I saw grandpa cry (the man lived until I was 30). Great big wracking sobs, scared the hell out of me. I was 8, I didn’t grasp the significance of what they said happened, but I knew anything that got that reaction out of grandpa had to be the worst thing ever in the history of the world.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:15:23pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

But of course. //

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:15:41pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

P.S. I know all of you aren’t religious or even believers, but regardless it’s nice to see a believer who’s truly humble & selfless when you look at all the hatefulness perpetrated by so many other under the guise of “godliness.”

I’m not religious at all CL but I am fine with people like this. There are a lot of great people who believe in God out there and there’s a lot of shitty people who don’t. I just want people to treat each other with respect regardless of what we do and do not believe. And knowing you, I know you subscribe to the same code. It’s why I’m while Agnostic more comfortable with you than someone like Dawkins who goes out of his way to be a dick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:16:36pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Ah is that like how we only listen to Michael Moore and Bill Maher as well?

And also - wait, who was that guy nobody’d ever heard of, who suddenly became a Thought Leader of the Left back in 2001 when he made disparaging remarks about the 9/11 victims?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:16:55pm

re: #224 sagehen

My family was watching election coverage on TV; that’s the one and only time in my entire life I saw grandpa cry (the man lived until I was 30). Great big wracking sobs, scared the hell out of me. I was 8, I didn’t grasp the significance of what they said happened, but I knew anything that got that reaction out of grandpa had to be the worst thing ever in the history of the world.

It makes me sad to think about because I think RFK if nominated beats Nixon and who knows form there. Maybe people wouldn’t have this myopic paranoia about government if Nixon doesn’t do the Watergate scandal.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:17:38pm

10 tweets starting here, discusses government case with documents.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:18:01pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

And also - wait, who was that guy nobody’d ever heard of, who suddenly became a Thought Leader of the Left back in 2001 when he made disparaging remarks about the 9/11 victims?

Churchill.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:18:42pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

And also - wait, who was that guy nobody’d ever heard of, who suddenly became a Thought Leader of the Left back in 2001 when he made disparaging remarks about the 9/11 victims?

Ward Churchill I think you mean. That U-Colorado professor who called the victims “Little Eichmanns. But yeah there was a guy on a board I used to post on who used to love telling us lefties that we thought this and thought that. I think even a lot of the conservatives on that board thought he was an asshole since he was always in that mode. Many of the other conservatives on that board were people I could acutally see beyond the politics since we could talk sports, history, film, or music with each other but this guy was constantly a dick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:19:16pm

re: #230 Nyet

Churchill.

Right.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:19:22pm

re: #229 ausador

10 tweets starting here, discusses government case with documents.

There’s much important discussion today of whether Pete Santilli is a co-conspirator or an embedded journalist.

They’re not exclusive.

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ausador  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:19:44pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

Wow you might think Dana Muhgunz was a feminist or something==>

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:20:08pm

re: #206 Sionainn

I’m really disappointed to see so many fellow lizards be disparaging of supporters of Sanders. Most of the people I know support Sanders, but every single one of them has also stated that they will vote for Hillary Clinton should she get the nomination. There’s no babyish “I’ll just vote for anyone else, but her” because they all realize what a disaster it would be to have a Republican president in office. The Clinton supporters I know have also stated they will vote for Sanders should he get the nomination. Maybe I hang out with a more rational group of people.

I don’t think there’s a lizard here who has said that, if Bernie wins the nomination, they’ll vote third party or stay home out of spite. I’ve certainly entertained the idea, but at the end of the day realized that I’d rather be covered in molasses and parked over a red ant hill than allow a Republican in the White House.

Most of the criticism here has been with the fanatics that are in the Bernie supporter ranks, who not only insist his shit doesn’t stink, but argue that his shit is a miracle cure for everything that ails you. We have no issue with those who like his ideas or say that they feel he’s got better proposals, we do have an issue with those who want to do the GOP’s job of destroying Hillary’s campaign out of spite.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:20:52pm

re: #230 Nyet

Churchill.

Aka Chief Shitting Bull. All the publicity led to his claim of Native American ethnicity being exposed as a fraud.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:21:00pm

I wouldn’t ascribe Limbaugh to conservatives if conservatives themselves didn’t say Limbaugh was influential. If Republican lawmakers weren’t apologizing to Rush. I mean I don’t attribute Michael Savage to Republicans in the way I do Rush or Glenn Beck because Republican office holders actually legitmize those dudes. The far left types like Churchill never were pandered to by Democratic politicians.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:22:49pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

I don’t think there’s a lizard here who has said that, if Bernie wins the nomination, they’ll vote third party or stay home out of spite. I’ve certainly entertained the idea, but at the end of the day realized that I’d rather be covered in molasses and parked over a red ant hill than allow a Republican in the White House.

Most of the criticism here has been with the fanatics that are in the Bernie supporter ranks, who not only insist his shit doesn’t stink, but argue that his shit is a miracle cure for everything that ails you. We have no issue with those who like his ideas or say that they feel he’s got better proposals, we do have an issue with those who want to do the GOP’s job of destroying Hillary’s campaign out of spite.

How many of those people are there actually, though? I don’t know any IRL while I do know some knuckleheads who are Trump supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:22:51pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

I don’t think there’s a lizard here who has said that, if Bernie wins the nomination, they’ll vote third party or stay home out of spite. I’ve certainly entertained the idea, but at the end of the day realized that I’d rather be covered in molasses and parked over a red ant hill than allow a Republican in the White House.

Most of the criticism here has been with the fanatics that are in the Bernie supporter ranks, who not only insist his shit doesn’t stink, but argue that his shit is a miracle cure for everything that ails you. We have no issue with those who like his ideas or say that they feel he’s got better proposals, we do have an issue with those who want to do the GOP’s job of destroying Hillary’s campaign out of spite.

My criticism is more at the fanatics too. So, Siobahn, you and your friends aren’t the people I have beef with. I just have beef with people who ignore Sanders’ liabilities and think Clinton is the worst thing ever. I know you agree with this statement “Any Democratic candidate is way better than any Republican.” My brothers who support Bernie agree on that so we’re cool despite our differences. I’m actually neutral. I have my problems with Hillary too. I personally wish we had another choice between the two of them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:23:54pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Ward Churchill I think you mean. That U-Colorado professor who called the victims “Little Eichmanns. But yeah there was a guy on a board I used to post on who used to love telling us lefties that we thought this and thought that. I think even a lot of the conservatives on that board thought he was an asshole since he was always in that mode. Many of the other conservatives on that board were people I could acutally see beyond the politics since we could talk sports, history, film, or music with each other but this guy was constantly a dick.

And of course, we all follow Alinsky and the Cloward Piven Strategy. Funny thing is, I’ve never seen mention of either except from wingnuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:24:16pm

re: #229 ausador

10 tweets starting here, discusses government case with documents.

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Somebody accused Les of being “embedded”:

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:24:45pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

I don’t think there’s a lizard here who has said that, if Bernie wins the nomination, they’ll vote third party or stay home out of spite. I’ve certainly entertained the idea, but at the end of the day realized that I’d rather be covered in molasses and parked over a red ant hill than allow a Republican in the White House.

Most of the criticism here has been with the fanatics that are in the Bernie supporter ranks, who not only insist his shit doesn’t stink, but argue that his shit is a miracle cure for everything that ails you. We have no issue with those who like his ideas or say that they feel he’s got better proposals, we do have an issue with those who want to do the GOP’s job of destroying Hillary’s campaign out of spite.

I like Bernie for his habit of calling a horse-thief a horse-thief on economic issues. I will vote for HRC without hesitation if it comes to that. My wingnut leaning nephew thinks Clinton will be indicted and Biden will step up. He said he would actually vote for Biden.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:24:48pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

My criticism is more at the fanatics too. So, Siobahn, you and your friends aren’t the people I have beef with. I just have beef with people who ignore Sanders’ liabilities and think Clinton is the worst thing ever. I know you agree with this statement “Any Democratic candidate is way better than any Republican.” My brothers who support Bernie agree on that so we’re cool despite our differences. I’m actually neutral. I have my problems with Hillary too. I personally wish we had another choice between the two of them.

My biggest beef with Hillary is that it will be eight years of more of the same from the RWNJs, a repeat of the previous Clinton presidency with all the nonsense that entailed. It’s just the baggage that she carries that I have a problem with. That being said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:25:09pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

And of course, we all follow Alinsky and the Cloward Piven Strategy. Funny thing is, I’ve never seen mention of either except from wingnuts.

Oh man I loved being told how much I followed Alinsky tactics. I swear to you as a former English minor, I kept on thinking of Saul Bellow, who granted I’ve never read any of his works but he had plenty in the various literature anthologies I’ve had to read from over the years.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:25:17pm

re: #206 Sionainn

re: #235 Targetpractice

I would add that most of what Targetpractice & other lizards are talking about is shit that is said on Twitter, FB, other forums, etc.

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:25:35pm

re: #206 Sionainn

I’m really disappointed to see so many fellow lizards be disparaging of supporters of Sanders. Most of the people I know support Sanders, but every single one of them has also stated that they will vote for Hillary Clinton should she get the nomination. There’s no babyish “I’ll just vote for anyone else, but her” because they all realize what a disaster it would be to have a Republican president in office. The Clinton supporters I know have also stated they will vote for Sanders should he get the nomination. Maybe I hang out with a more rational group of people.

You must.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:26:20pm

re: #243 Sionainn

My biggest beef with Hillary is that it will be eight years of more of the same from the RWNJs, a repeat of the previous Clinton presidency with all the nonsense that entailed. It’s just the baggage that she carries that I have a problem with. That being said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Right, that’s a definitely legitimate gripe and it’s why I’m not sold her way either. You’re good. Hell I’m good with anyone just as long as they see the big picture and that’s something I know you do as well as the Senator himself.

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Nyet  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:26:30pm

Like Ted Nugent and his Clinton gun rape joke?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:26:44pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody accused Les of being “embedded”:

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“What Would Jefferson Do”? make some wine, plant some crops, write about liberty, and go fuck one of his slaves.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:27:08pm

re: #246 b_sharp

You must.

I do. ;-)

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:27:59pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Betting this guy is one of those sovereign citizens jerkbags.

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:28:19pm

re: #212 IngisKahn

It’s nearly impossible to have an argument with these people. PZ posted about how it’s important to vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn’t make it and a Bernie bot showed up in the comments. Was a real ::headdesk:: thread.

“And you don’t seem to get that Romney and Obama were and Clinton and Cruz potentially are identical in every respect.”

The left isn’t immune to inflexible idealistic zealotry.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:28:22pm

re: #245 CuriousLurker

I would add that most of what Targetpractice & other lizards are talking about is shit that is said on Twitter, FB, other forums, etc.

Yeah our Facebook feeds and stuff like that. Id add that in defense of Sanders supporters, most of the ones I know are reasonable but I’d be lying if I didn’t see some who continue to insist that Hillary’s a DINO or not a real Deomcrat. And just so it’s clear some of the condescending crap towards Sanders supporters pisses me off too. I know Gloria Steinem is one of the most respected feminists but she was totally out of line to say what she did about the young women who support Bernie. It was sexist even.

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Jack Burton  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:29:21pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I just have beef with people who ignore Sanders’ liabilities and think Clinton is the worst thing ever.

My observation is everyone that is in this boat tends to too young to have had any active interest in the election in 2008 (and therefore *really* do not understand how this stuff actually works when we get down to brass tacks), or is in a self-reinforcing echo chamber where they never hear anything they disagree with so when they finally do, it’s so wrong to them as to be malicious.

This (edit: self reinforcing echo chamber part) happens on the right *alot*, but to pretend there aren’t left/progressive equivalents is ridiculous.

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allegro  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:29:52pm

re: #243 Sionainn

My biggest beef with Hillary is that it will be eight years of more of the same from the RWNJs, a repeat of the previous Clinton presidency with all the nonsense that entailed. It’s just the baggage that she carries that I have a problem with. That being said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Do you blame Obama for bigots who hate him cuz he’s black too?

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:30:15pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Sometimes I feel a little twitchy, but for the most part I’m glad you guys are here too. I’ve grown pretty fond of most of you. But shhh, don’t tell anyone, k?

Your secret is safe with me.

I’m pretty sure if someone attacked you there would be a severe LGF beat down headed straight for that person’s brainpan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:30:44pm

re: #254 Jack Burton

My observation is everyone that is in this boat tends to too young to have had any active interest in the election in 2008 (and therefore *really* do not understand how this stuff actually works when we get down to brass tacks), or is in a self-reinforcing echo chamber where they never hear anything they disagree with so when they finally do, it’s so wrong to them as to be malicious.

This happens on the right *alot*, but to pretend there aren’t left/progressive equivalents is ridiculous.

No doubt and as a relatively young person. Old enough to have voted Obama twice but never Clinton, Gore, or Kerry I definitely think a lot of my fellow 20’s some do have a lot to learn. It’s why I thikn we need more history education in school so people can be aware of where we are and we were.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:31:41pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody accused Les of being “embedded”:

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Gah, Twitter.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:32:39pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

Oh and who does she blame==>

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b_sharp  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:34:08pm

re: #250 Sionainn

I do. ;-)

Blazing Saddles reference needs many updings.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:34:16pm

Dana herself was perfectly fine with that prick Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut. She doesn’t deserve the nasty attacks Trump’s supporters are throwing her way but at the same time, she should really take a good look in the mirror because this is waht conservatism has been about fo ra long time now.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:34:48pm

re: #238 Sionainn

How many of those people are there actually, though? I don’t know any IRL while I do know some knuckleheads who are Trump supporters.

As already noted by Happy, most of the stuff we’re talking about is happening on FB, on twitter, on other boards, and so forth. I don’t know any Bernie fanatics in my personal life, but I’ve run into plenty of them on the internet and most of them are of the Firebagger strain of liberal fanaticism. Hell, Daily Kos is in danger of becoming (if it already hasn’t) a revival of Firedoglake. And any thread on Fark that involves the Dem race is replete with Bernie fanatics screaming that Hillary is the second-coming of Hitler.

Oddly enough, it reminds me of all the Paulians running around in 2012, screaming that he was the greatest thing to happen to democracy…right up until he refused to stage a very messy convention floor revolution.

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BeachDem  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:35:50pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

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I remember the morning after, Dad walking down the hall, my brother asking him how the primary was, and Dad answering, ‘Kennedy got shot.’ That got me out of bed.

Remember that night like it was yesterday. And just went to check to see if Rosey Grier was still alive (he is.) My sophomore year of college—so much bad shit happened that year.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:35:55pm

re: #243 Sionainn

My biggest beef with Hillary is that it will be eight years of more of the same from the RWNJs, a repeat of the previous Clinton presidency with all the nonsense that entailed. It’s just the baggage that she carries that I have a problem with. That being said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

If/when Sanders becomes the (D) nominee, the entire right wing noise industry will go into overtime describing him as the worst thing ever. It’s really meaningless, since they would do the same to any Democrat.

We really should get into the habit of giving Republican noise just as much attention as it deserves (i.e., none), but the media really doesn’t help with this.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:36:57pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Yeah our Facebook feeds and stuff like that. Id add that in defense of Sanders supporters, most of the ones I know are reasonable but I’d be lying if I didn’t see some who continue to insist that Hillary’s a DINO or not a real Deomcrat. And just so it’s clear some of the condescending crap towards Sanders supporters pisses me off too. I know Gloria Steinem is one of the most respected feminists but she was totally out of line to say what she did about the young women who support Bernie. It was sexist even.

The primary wars on DailyKos are a total train wreck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:38:06pm

re: #243 Sionainn

My biggest beef with Hillary is that it will be eight years of more of the same from the RWNJs, a repeat of the previous Clinton presidency with all the nonsense that entailed. It’s just the baggage that she carries that I have a problem with. That being said, I’d be perfectly comfortable with a Hillary Clinton presidency.

I’m not comfortable with the choice being driven by unreasoning rightwing hatred. It’s one of the things that bothers me about how many people view Hillary - either they worry that the Right will make this into a rerun of the Clinton and Obama Presidencies, or they have allowed their opinion of her to be colored by the endless investigations, and they see her as dishonest - even though none of the investigations found anything.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:01pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not comfortable with the choice being driven by unreasoning rightwing hatred. It’s one of the things that bothers me about how many people view Hillary - either they worry that the Right will make this into a rerun of the Clinton and Obama Presidencies, or they have allowed their opinion of her to be colored by the endless investigations, and they see her as dishonest - even though none of the investigations found anything.

On a practical note, it is impossible to distinguish Democratic candidates according to the amount of RWNJ noise they will encounter, since it will be 11-ty million to the 10 zillionth power for all of them.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:20pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not comfortable with the choice being driven by unreasoning rightwing hatred. It’s one of the things that bothers me about how many people view Hillary - either they worry that the Right will make this into a rerun of the Clinton and Obama Presidencies, or they have allowed their opinion of her to be colored by the endless investigations, and they see her as dishonest - even though none of the investigations found anything.

There’s a fair chance that 8 years of HRC will break them. Worth finding out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:43pm

re: #259 No Country For Old Haters

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So, No True Scotsman is sending the images, then.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:40:54pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

On a practical note, it is impossible to distinguish Democratic candidates according to the amount of RWNJ noise they will encounter, since it will be 11-ty million to the 10 zillionth power for all of them.

That’s certainly true. I’m sure Jerome Corsi is already writing his hate book on Sanders just in case he’s nominated just like Obama and Kerry before.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:42:06pm

See, I have no problem with folks supporting the candidate they like, fighting for them and spreading their gospel. That’s something as old as the existence of political parties, with the following step being the nomination and then the party coming together to support the nominee. The problem I’m having is largely with the jilted boyfriend act I’m seeing from so many Bernie supporters, that “I’d rather burn this all down than ever let you have it” attitude they’re showing to the idea of a Hillary nomination. That sort of shit not only damages the party as a whole, but it further discredits the ideas that you’re trying to promote.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:42:16pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

On a practical note, it is impossible to distinguish Democratic candidates according to the amount of RWNJ noise they will encounter, since it will be 11-ty million to the 10 zillionth power for all of them.

That’s true. I’m sure some folks said they preferred Obama because he didn’t have Hillary’s baggage and might have an easier time of it.

Yuh. Right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:43:21pm

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s true. I’m sure some folks said they preferred Obama because he didn’t have Hillary’s baggage and might have an easier time of it.

Yuh. Right.

Guilty sigh. Still glad I voted for him of course though but I was naive as fuck thinking that it would be different. I understand her point though.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:44:35pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

On a practical note, it is impossible to distinguish Democratic candidates according to the amount of RWNJ noise they will encounter, since it will be 11-ty million to the 10 zillionth power for all of them.

The older electorate, the Cold Warriors, are preset to buy into anti-commie BS. They grew up reading it on the back of their cereal boxes.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:45:08pm

re: #255 allegro

Do you blame Obama for bigots who hate him cuz he’s black too?

Why would I blame Obama? I’m not blaming Hillary, either. I just know what will happen and I’m sick of dealing with that shit.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:45:54pm

re: #275 Sionainn

Why would I blame Obama? I’m blaming Hillary, either. I just know what will happen and I’m sick of dealing with that shit.

Such is our doom.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:46:23pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

The older electorate, the Cold Warriors, are preset to buy into anti-commie BS. They grew up reading it on the back of their cereal boxes.

It will be interesting to see if that line of attack will really work these days. I’ve seen some of the old US cold war propaganda online (e.g., atheism is the royal road to communism), and it just seems laughable to me.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:47:04pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

As already noted by Happy, most of the stuff we’re talking about is happening on FB, on twitter, on other boards, and so forth. I don’t know any Bernie fanatics in my personal life, but I’ve run into plenty of them on the internet and most of them are of the Firebagger strain of liberal fanaticism. Hell, Daily Kos is in danger of becoming (if it already hasn’t) a revival of Firedoglake. And any thread on Fark that involves the Dem race is replete with Bernie fanatics screaming that Hillary is the second-coming of Hitler.

Oddly enough, it reminds me of all the Paulians running around in 2012, screaming that he was the greatest thing to happen to democracy…right up until he refused to stage a very messy convention floor revolution.

I don’t check out any of those sites, so that’s probably why I haven’t seen it. I’ll take your word for it.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:47:39pm

re: #275 Sionainn

Why would I blame Obama? I’m blaming Hillary, either. I just know what will happen and I’m sick of dealing with that shit.

The only way the Republicans won’t have a 4-8 year shit fit is for Democrats to lose the presidency in 2016.

That is totally unacceptable.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:47:46pm

re: #277 EPR-radar

It will be interesting to see if that line of attack will really work these days. I’ve seen some of the old US cold war propaganda online (e.g., atheism is the royal road to communism), and it just seems laughable to me.

It is interesting to see socialism actually have some appeal to the electorate. I saw an asinine assertion that young people are embracing socialism because they figure it must be a good thing if the Republicans are insulting Obama with that label. Conservative intellectualism for ya.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:48:45pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not comfortable with the choice being driven by unreasoning rightwing hatred. It’s one of the things that bothers me about how many people view Hillary - either they worry that the Right will make this into a rerun of the Clinton and Obama Presidencies, or they have allowed their opinion of her to be colored by the endless investigations, and they see her as dishonest - even though none of the investigations found anything.

I’m definitely of the first camp. Have been since she first ran against Obama.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:48:49pm

re: #277 EPR-radar

It will be interesting to see if that line of attack will really work these days. I’ve seen some of the old US cold war propaganda online (e.g., atheism is the royal road to communism), and it just seems laughable to me.

Wait ‘til you see the slick, new, CGI Michael Bay version…. Oh…

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:49:57pm

re: #278 Sionainn

I don’t check out any of those sites, so that’s probably why I haven’t seen it. I’ll take your word for it.

I’ll be perfectly honest, I didn’t even pay the fanatics much mind until one decided to plop a “Bernie Pledge” thread in another board I frequent and began preaching about how all who do not follow Bernie are not true progressives.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:50:09pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

It is interesting to see socialism actually have some appeal to the electorate. I saw an asinine assertion that young people are embracing socialism because they figure it must be a good thing if the Republicans are insulting Obama with that label. Conservative intellectualism for ya.

I’m convinced that the powers that be in the US decided to go all-in for feral capitalism once the USSR collapsed and there was no competing model and propaganda effort.

Dozens of Shkreli-type incidents will eventually make a difference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:52:23pm

re: #284 EPR-radar

I’m convinced that the powers that be in the US decided to go all-in for feral capitalism once the USSR collapsed and there was no competing model and propaganda effort.

Dozens of Shkreli-type incidents will eventually make a difference.

What sours me on Capitalism I guess as we know it is hearing about millions of Americans struggling to pay student loans and a select few others who because of sheer dumb luck living the lives of kings. I guess i’m not a socialist in that I want to take away wealth in itself, I’m a believer in that we should be making it easier for people to have opportunities to be able to afford higher ed and thus to get jobs. It’s a lot how I feel about the job market as a whole. Speaking of which grumble another decline today.

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Sionainn  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:52:45pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

I’ll be perfectly honest, I didn’t even pay the fanatics much mind until one decided to plop a “Bernie Pledge” thread in another board I frequent and began preaching about how all who do not follow Bernie are not true progressives.

That would piss me off.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:53:12pm

I also don’t like the lies that before Obama or even FDR that we were this purely capitalist nation. We have NEVER been that. Never. Even in the Gilded Age, we had things like tariffs, pensions, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 4:56:59pm

Our domestic political debate has and never really will be about socialism versus capitalism but more so about where the government should be involved. As a liberal, I happen to favor more government intervention in the economy because I believe a government that invests in her people is a stronger coutnry and I think data and trends support that. It does not mean I worship at a mini Karl Marx statue and hate freedom.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:01:45pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

I also don’t like the lies that before Obama or even FDR that we were this purely capitalist nation. We have NEVER been that. Never. Even in the Gilded Age, we had things like tariffs, pensions, etc.

The whole business with Bernie supporters and FDR is a bit like wingnuts and St. Ron: The guy who actually was bears no resemblance to the guy who think he was. FDR was a son of a powerful New York family, who served as a state senator, asst. Secretary of the Navy, and even Governor of New York before he became president. So he came from money and he was a Dem Party insider, not some insurgent who rose up on a wave of demand for socialism. And his ideas weren’t simply passed because they were popular, they were passed because Democrats had supermajorities in both houses that could ram through the bills without delay. Plus it was the Great Depression, a point where people were so desperate that they’d take anything that sounded good.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:06:14pm

re: #170 Great White Snark

The problem with principled people is that they have no qualms about screwing you over for the sake of their own principles.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:06:46pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

The whole business with Bernie supporters and FDR is a bit like wingnuts and St. Ron: The guy who actually was bears no resemblance to the guy who think he was. FDR was a son of a powerful New York family, who served as a state senator, asst. Secretary of the Navy, and even Governor of New York before he became president. So he came from money and he was a Dem Party insider, not some insurgent who rose up on a wave of demand for socialism. And his ideas weren’t simply passed because they were popular, they were passed because Democrats had supermajorities in both houses that could ram through the bills without delay. Plus it was the Great Depression, a point where people were so desperate that they’d take anything that sounded good.

Too true.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:11:36pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

The whole business with Bernie supporters and FDR is a bit like wingnuts and St. Ron: The guy who actually was bears no resemblance to the guy who think he was. FDR was a son of a powerful New York family, who served as a state senator, asst. Secretary of the Navy, and even Governor of New York before he became president. So he came from money and he was a Dem Party insider, not some insurgent who rose up on a wave of demand for socialism. And his ideas weren’t simply passed because they were popular, they were passed because Democrats had supermajorities in both houses that could ram through the bills without delay. Plus it was the Great Depression, a point where people were so desperate that they’d take anything that sounded good.

After 3 years of the Hoover administration basically doing nothing in response to the crash of 1929, there was a real demand for action and reform. People like FDR could (and did IIRC) make the valid point that reforms had to be made to head off a real threat of revolution.

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majii  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:15:09pm

re: #259 No Country For Old Haters

Dana doesn’t seem to like those chickens she fed coming home to roost. She built that, gleefully.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:18:42pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

And of course, we all follow Alinsky and the Cloward Piven Strategy. Funny thing is, I’ve never seen mention of either except from wingnuts.

Alinsky was at least funny as hell.

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Targetpractice  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:18:44pm

re: #292 EPR-radar

After 3 years of the Hoover administration basically doing nothing in response to the crash of 1929, there was a real demand for action and reform. People like FDR could (and did IIRC) make the valid point that reforms had to be made to head off a real threat of revolution.

And that’s largely why guys like Bernie have failed to win the White House, because we’ve not been at that sort of low in generations. Plenty of arguments to be made that we’re fast approaching a breaking point, but we’re not reached it quite yet. Still plenty scares to monger about how Bernie being president will mean the government looting your bank accounts, kicking down your door to seize your guns, and making your kids go to learn evolution and stuff at college that makes the Baby Jesus cry.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:25:22pm

re: #255 allegro

If Hillary has baggage, it was put there by the GOP. I was around for the Clinton administration and Rush Limbaugh and Fox News practically ascended themselves with hate, of hate and for hate.

If one thinks Vince Foster is “baggage”, I don’t know what to say.

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EPR-radar  Feb 10, 2016 • 5:39:02pm

re: #295 Targetpractice

And that’s largely why guys like Bernie have failed to win the White House, because we’ve not been at that sort of low in generations. Plenty of arguments to be made that we’re fast approaching a breaking point, but we’re not reached it quite yet. Still plenty scares to monger about how Bernie being president will mean the government looting your bank accounts, kicking down your door to seize your guns, and making your kids go to learn evolution and stuff at college that makes the Baby Jesus cry.

To get to that kind of low, we’d pretty much have to have incompetent Republicans in charge during a critical time. For example, an alternate history where the financial crisis hit after McCain was elected in 2008, the stress killed him off, and Sarah Palin was president for that.

That would make the case for reform infinitely more obvious. It also might end all human life on earth.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 10, 2016 • 6:12:54pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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A Cranky One  Feb 10, 2016 • 7:06:57pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Sometimes I feel a little twitchy, but for the most part I’m glad you guys are here too. I’ve grown pretty fond of most of you. But shhh, don’t tell anyone, k?

I’ve known many amazing people whose faith was the basis for their lives and actions. People whose contributions deserve respect and admiration. For example, a friend of my father was a nun who, upon discovering the huge child mortality rate due to dehydration in many parts of Africa, created a formula using locally available and cheap ingredients to replenish electrolytes and nutrients (like Pedialyte). She then spent years traveling in very primitive conditions, going from village to village to teach people how to make it and when to use it. I often wonder how many lives she helped save while living her own. As an aside, she once mailed me asking if I could possibly send her a tea kettle to boil water. Sent the most durable one I could find. She was so thrilled to receive it; told me volumes about how she lived.

I grew up arguing theology with many accomplished folks with a wide variety of religious beliefs. One lesson I learned was humility. By the witness of their lives, they were folks who deserved respect and equality, and treated others the same. It’s actions, not words, that define the nature of a person.

If I judged folks by their religious beliefs, I’d never enjoyed the friendship of some truly wonderful folks, including lizards. A shame that more people can’t understand that simple principal.


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