Audio: At Wildlife Refuge, Lone Holdout David Fry Getting Increasingly Unhinged

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David Fry is the last holdout at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, and he’s now talking about killing himself. You may not want to listen to this live feed because he’s really beginning to sound deranged; he just said, “I don’t care about the movement any more.”

UPDATE at 2/11/16 10:59:49 am by Charles Johnson

Thank goodness — David Fry has just turned himself in to the FBI. The Malheur Wildlife Refuge standoff is finally over.

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331 comments
1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:31:54am

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:32:19am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

No, it won’t.

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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:32:21am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

Uh, no.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:32:22am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

Won’t happen.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:32:46am
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Bass Reeves  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:33:04am

JESUS CHRIST THAT IS THE WORST ATTEMPT AT ELICITATION

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:33:04am

And here it is:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:33:06am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

These people will never do any soul-searching.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:33:20am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

They have no soul.

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lockjawcanbefun  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:33:27am

I hope that’s a magic blanket he has.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:16am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

These people will never do any soul-searching.

There is no soul left to search.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:18am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

(insert J Jonah Jameson “Hahaha - you’re serious?” meme here)

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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:30am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

If years of bodies stacked like cordwood did nothing……M-O-N-E-Y They care not for anything but the buck and the fear and loathing that gives them that buck.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:45am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to see him get the treatment he needs while in prison.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:50am

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

(insert J Jonah Jameson “Hahaha - you’re serious?” meme here)

Not feeling the laughter today.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:34:59am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

I wish.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:35:24am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Double Down ain’t just a novelty burger.

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:35:36am

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe this incident, should the worst case scenario play out, along with Terrible Ted Nugent’s latest anti-Semetic screed, may force the NRA to do some serious soul-searching.

If 20+ dead little kids wont do it, nothing will.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:35:40am

re: #14 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I want to see him get the treatment he needs while in prison.

Increasingly sounds to me like he needs to be in a high security ward for the mentally ill.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:35:49am

Yeah not surprised he has a mental illness and is not on his meds. We really do need to do more for mental health in this country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:36:37am

re: #14 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I want to see him get the treatment he needs while in prison.

I was not joking when I made earlier comments about his mental issues and probability that he was not taking prescribed meds for that.
So much delusion and paranoia he has been exhibiting for weeks.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:36:46am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Yeah not surprised he has a mental illness and is not on his meds. We really do need to do more for mental health in this country.

Free market Jesus says we cannot do unto the least of these for they have not been blessed by St Ayn Rand.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:37:09am

re: #18 blueraven

If 20+ dead little kids wont do it, nothing will.

I think the only thing that would be all the children and grandchildren of the board members being wiped out. I don’t want that of course but what I mean is it would take something close to home for the NRA to even consider that their inflexibility is fucking things up. The kids killed in Connecticut weren’t kids that they knew and loved so they had to take a seat to the holy altar of guns.

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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:37:14am

re: #18 blueraven

If 20+ dead little kids wont do it, nothing will.

The answer to that was arm the teachers. Fuck, give the kids pistols and NRA training. Mo money.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:37:30am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was not joking when I made earlier comments about his mental issues and probability that he was not taking prescribed meds for that.
So much delusion and paranoia he has been exhibiting for weeks.

Its hard to tell because the entire wingularity is delusional and paranoid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:37:38am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:37:47am

re: #22 Aunty Entity Dragon

Free market Jesus says we cannot do unto the least of these for they have not been blessed by St Ayn Rand.

Ayn Rand’s views have been such a poison on our society.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:38:06am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:38:16am

Why doesn’t somebody tell this Kris Anne moron to put a sock in it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:38:34am

somebody, shut her the hell up already:

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:38:41am

re: #24 nines09

The answer to that was arm the teachers. Fuck, give the kids pistols and NRA training. Mo money.

The last thing I need in my classroom where I am sitting at this very minute is a freaking assault rifle or Ruger P.93

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:38:48am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Why doesn’t somebody tell this Kris Anne moron to put a sock in it?

Really seems like a professional should take over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:01am
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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:03am

Whoever said he’s a Messianic Jew nailed it. He just said so.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:09am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Yeah not surprised he has a mental illness and is not on his meds. We really do need to do more for mental health in this country.

Ah, there’s the rub. Because if someone like Fry got treatment for his dangerous, delusional behavior, he wouldn’t be allowed to get guns, because a gun is absolutely the last thing someone like that should have.

So, if you’re crazy enough to think the Government is a giant plot by the Zionist Worldwide Conspiracy, the Illuminati, or the Trilateral Commission, you won’t seek help.

Catch 22.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:13am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

There it is indeed.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:19am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Ayn Rand’s views have been such a poison on our society.

And these people have cherry picked their favorite parts of her bad ideas and the Bible and have made a new religion out of it.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:39:31am
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iossarian  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:18am

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

The last thing I need in my classroom where I am sitting at this very minute is a freaking assault rifle or Ruger P.93

No shit! That’s the one that makes no sense except to the bug-people: the idea that you’d make schools safer by putting a bunch of guns in them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:19am

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, there’s the rub. Because if someone like Fry got treatment for his dangerous, delusional behavior, he wouldn’t be allowed to get guns, because a gun is absolutely the last thing someone like that should have.

So, if you’re crazy enough to think the Government is a giant plot by the Zionist Worldwide Conspiracy, the Illuminati, or the Trilateral Commission, you won’t seek help.

Catch 22.

Yeah that’s very true. Sigh. This is why it infuriates me that guys like Alex Jones have a big audience to spread fear. While saps like Fry buy Jones’ paranoid delusoins, Alex fears the government all the way to the bank.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:19am

re: #18 blueraven

If 20+ dead little kids wont do it, nothing will.

No. OTOH, 20+ dead kids did have such an impact that a number of people feel the need to deny their existence to preserve their delusions.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:21am

re: #19 Aunty Entity Dragon

Increasingly sounds to me like he needs to be in a high security ward for the mentally ill.

Which is fine and appropriate.

I don’t see what purpose is served by hoping someone (who is pretty clearly mentally ill) kills himself.

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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:22am

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

But the NRA wants you to. For your own good. And the safety of the children. Yes. It is a good thing. I know. Not really funny.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:38am

re: #37 Belafon

And these people have cherry picked their favorite parts of her bad ideas and the Bible and have made a new religion out of it.

Yeah and one of them is in Congress now. Actually several but I specifically refered to Dave Brat and his wacko philosophy that merges the worst of Calvinism and the worst of Ayn Rand.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:40:38am

re: #34 makeitstop

Whoever said he’s a Messianic Jew nailed it. He just said so.

“Messianic Jews” are not Christians and they’re not Jews either.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:41:36am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:41:39am
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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:42:07am

I’m not listening to this live, but it seems that they have crazy talking to crazy? Is that a plan?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:42:29am

re: #48 nines09

I’m not listening to this live, but it seems that they have crazy talking to crazy? Is that a plan?

Apparently.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:42:47am
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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:42:51am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

“Messianic Jews” are not Christians and they’re not Jews either.

Someone speculated about it earlier, that’s why I mentioned it.

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20Hz  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:42:57am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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re: #34 makeitstop

Whoever said he’s a Messianic Jew nailed it. He just said so.

I mentioned that in the previous thread. It is a totally made up type of Judaism that is not recognized.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:43:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:43:55am

re: #52 20Hz

I mentioned that in the previous thread. It is a totally made up type of Judaism that is not recognized.

It is not any type of “Judaism”

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:44:18am

re: #52 20Hz

I mentioned that in the previous thread. It is a totally made up type of Judaism that is not recognized.

I’m not the least bit familiar with it, just remembered that you had mentioned it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:44:34am

re: #42 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Which is fine and appropriate.

I don’t see what purpose is served by hoping someone (who is pretty clearly mentally ill) kills himself.

Things don’t always serve any greater purpose than ending something. I mean, gosh, it would be great if he’d give up and walk out, but it doesn’t look like he’s gonna do that. He’s backed himself into a corner with no good choices and no happy ending.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:44:34am

Criminal defense attorney at Balloon Juice wondered why the feds had gone so soft on the charges for those arrested in Oregon (so did I).

Now we see the list of charges for Cliven Bundy and they are not screwing around at all. Looks like they delayed those other charges for the Bundy boys to see if they could lure the old man out. Expect to see more charges for the Oregon idiots in short order.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:44:52am

How can the FBI allow this woman to spew nonsense during this? SMDH

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:35am

After I read Fry is schizophrenic, I had to stop listening, because he reminds me too much of the dissociation a relative went through when she was suicidal. (That only ended well because she took pills, I called the cops and they were able to get her to the hospital in time.)

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:35am

re: #58 Amory Blaine

How can the FBI allow this woman to spew nonsense during this? SMDH

I would have sent agents to her house and smashed her phone by now.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:38am

re: #18 blueraven

To the faithful like the occupiers dead kids are the human sacrifices that supply the blood that waters the tree of liberty.

If the blood stops flowing America falls, in their minds.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:55am

UFOs FFS

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Timothy Watson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:46:20am

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

Criminal defense attorney at Balloon Juice wondered why the feds had gone so soft on the charges for those arrested in Oregon (so did I).

Now we see the list of charges for Cliven Bundy and they are not screwing around at all. Looks like they delayed those other charges for the Bundy boys to see if they could lure the old man out. Expect to see more charges for the Oregon idiots in short order.

Feds usually throw the book at people during sentencing so a couple charges can equal a lot of time, as opposed to state counts where you might see a 20 count indictment somewhat regularly.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:46:27am

Wow, now talking about UFOs and suppressed technologies now.

He’s way off the rails.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:46:31am
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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:46:39am

Someone should turn to Michele Fiore, say “Nice work”, and slap the crap out of her.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:47:00am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:47:07am

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

Things don’t always serve any greater purpose than ending something. I mean, gosh, it would be great if he’d give up and walk out, but it doesn’t look like he’s gonna do that. He’s backed himself into a corner with no good choices and no happy ending.

So …he should just shoot himself and get it over with, because the cops didn’t give Tamir Rice this much time?

Sorry. I’m still not going to root for his death. I don’t think this should be controversial.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:47:17am

From wikipedia:
Messianic Judaism is a movement that combines Christianity—most importantly, the Christian belief that Jesus is the Messiah— with elements of Judaism and Jewish tradition.[1][2][3][4][5]……..Salvation in Messianic Judaism is achieved only through acceptance of Jesus as one’s savior,[8][13][14][15][16][17] and Jewish laws or customs which are followed do not contribute to salvation.[16][17] Indeed, belief in the messiahship, power to save, and divinity of Jesus, which Messianic Judaism professes, is the defining distinction between Christianity and Judaism.[18][19][20][21][22][23] Other Christian groups usually accept Messianic Judaism as a form of Christianity.[24]

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:47:25am

re: #66 makeitstop

Wow, now talking about UFOs and suppressed technologies now.

He’s way off the rails.

I’m not listening, and thanks to those Lizards who are, as disturbing as it may be, but this seems like Mr. Fry is basically having a psychotic breakdown for all the world to see.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:48:05am

Great…a new thread. Probably good in a way since I just dumped out my own tough situation in the last one.

Hope this all comes to a peaceful end. Later.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:48:07am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Ayn Rand’s views have been such a poison on our society.

Cherry-Picking Ayn Rand —to be specific.

Abortion, women’s rights an such —still not buying.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:48:33am

The end of the standoff couldn’t get any more pathetic. The last one there is a mentally ill and armed person who’s indicated a willingness to end his life in suicide by cop.

The idiots talking to him on the phone don’t even know what to say to him - they’re all over the map and could be making it worse.

The FBI ought to put a cork in those talking, but they must think keeping him talking, even if it’s babble is better than any of the alternatives.

I’ve got to believe that they’ve got HRT/psychologist/psychiatrists on site to help with this. At least I hope so.

But it should also dispel the notion about how the Bundy nuts were all so heroic and determined to outlast the government. They’re a bunch of deluded people who have managed to snare even more mentally unstable types to join their “cause” which effectively boils down to the Bundys wanting something for nothing - to further their welfare queen status of not paying for the right to graze on federal land, even though the fees are below what the private sector costs. Rather, they want to own the land outright, which is a giveaway of epic proportions for something that doesn’t belong to any of them.

Oh, and they chose a place to which they have exactly zero connection. A NWR in Oregon - where none of the Bundys reside.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:48:56am

He’s the end result of nearly every Republican action: lack of mental health funding, easing of gun restrictions, spewing how evil government is, “2nd Amendment solutions.”

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:48:56am

re: #34 makeitstop

Whoever said he’s a Messianic Jew nailed it. He just said so.

I’ve never understood the idea of a Messianic Jew. I didn’t even know they existed until I was 35.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:18am

Christ, at this rate, I wonder how long it’s going to be before she quotes the speech from Independence Day…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:33am

Get Kris Anne the fuck out of there. She is going to put a bullet in his head.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:34am
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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:48am

re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Cherry-Picking Ayn Rand —to be specific.

Abortion, women’s rights an such —still not buying.

That is everything. Bible. Constitution. Laws. Only the parts they like. The rest are lies. So simple, really. See shrimp in book.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:55am

re: #66 makeitstop

Wow, now talking about UFOs and suppressed technologies now.

He’s way off the rails.

He’s talked like this from the beginning.

That Fry is delusional was known from the beginning.

Opportunists like Alex Jones, Santilli, and this third-stringer currently doing the Youtube streaming thing, all exploit people with problems like this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:50:09am

re: #70 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So …he should just shoot himself and get it over with, because the cops didn’t give Tamir Rice this much time?

Sorry. I’m still not going to root for his death. I don’t think this should be controversial.

False dichotomy. There’s more than ‘rooting for his death’ and ‘rooting for him not to die’.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:50:20am

re: #77 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I’ve never understood the idea of a Messianic Jew. I didn’t even know they existed until I was 35.

I encountered a couple of those Jews for Jesus types back in the late 1980s when I lived in the Pacific Northwest.

Yeah…..wacky.

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20Hz  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:50:22am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

It is not any type of “Judaism”

I agree with you. Please forgive my choice of words, my description of what it is, was not accurate.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:50:25am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

Get Kris Anne the fuck out of there. She is going to put a bullet in his head.

Seriously! She’s being way too confrontational, and insists upon making it about her.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:50:26am

re: #75 lawhawk

It takes a special sort of narcissistic imbecility to turn a grazing fee issue into an attempted fucking armed insurrection.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:51:10am

Off topic, but I’m coming to the conclusion that The Atlantic has gone down a notch, or two, or three, in standards recently.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:52:03am

Obama’s a traitor.

Thanks so much, Fox News. You fucking built this.

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lockjawcanbefun  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:52:09am

Now he wants to talk to a Muslim Cleric. Yagads.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:53:41am

re: #89 makeitstop

Obama’s a traitor.

Thanks so much, Fox News. You fucking built this.

Limbaugh and Fox News will feature in some far future history classes on why the United States fell apart into factional bloodshed.

(hope this is kidding…)

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:53:47am

Tension break

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:53:56am

The answer to any wingnut talking point should now be “David Fry. You made and destroyed him.”

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:54:03am

re: #57 Aunty Entity Dragon

Been saying that for a while. Expect superseding indictments.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:54:22am

He is completely psychotic now.

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Sionainn  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:02am

I hope that’s a real negotiator he is talking to right now.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:03am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

He is completely psychotic now.

Yeah, gone. Talking about leaking nuke plants now. ‘They’re all leaking.’

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:16am

OK, promise him that the government will stop mutating people!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:17am
A team of physicists who can now count themselves as astronomers announced on Thursday that they had heard and recorded the sound of two black holes colliding a billion light-years away, a fleeting chirp that fulfilled the last prophecy of Einstein’s general theory of relativity.

All I can think of is Simon and Garfunkel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:29am

His “friends” at the refuge should have duct taped him in his sleeping bag before they came out.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:34am

re: #94 lawhawk

Been saying that for a while. Expect superseding indictments.

Heh. I glanced over at the FR fever swamp and they seem to think the charges against Cliven Bundy are trifling at best.

Freepers…..wallowing in their ignorance like pigs in shit.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:36am

re: #92 blueraven

OK, Bernie, what does that even mean?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:47am
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KerFuFFler  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:55:59am

Now he wants to talk to a Muslim cleric???

The RWNJ conspiracy theorists are going to think that the FBI is using microwaves to control his thoughts. “He’s a SEEKRIT MOOSLEM now!!!!”

Oh wait, now the government is “chemically mutating people”.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:17am

I’m thinking the FBI got hold of Kris Anne and that other dude and told them to shut the fuck up.

Good. Maybe they can get him out of there now.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:28am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:29am

re: #102 Belafon

OK, Bernie, what does that even mean?

The Bully Pulpit! You know, the one Obama was supposed to use to get The Entire Progressive Agenda through a GOP Congress.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:45am

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

False dichotomy. There’s more than ‘rooting for his death’ and ‘rooting for him not to die’.

He is still a human being who is clearly having mental problems. What I would like to see is the law enforcement handling this properly (by getting the crazies off the phone and a trained professional on it) and then this same type of response extended in every other appropriate situation, which is what I said downstairs.

Because, ultimately, if it was someone I loved in that situation, that is the response I would want to see.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:49am

“Good God! Don’t jump!”
A boy sat on the ledge
An old man who had fainted was revived
And everyone agreed ‘twould be a miracle indeed
If the boy survived
Simon and Garfunkel - Save The Life Of My Child - [Lyrics in description]

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:50am
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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:56:52am

I guess we can all figure out his favorite radio shows…….

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Lidane  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:57:20am

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I glanced over at the FR fever swamp and they seem to think the charges against Cliven Bundy are trifling at best.

Freepers…..wallowing in their ignorance like pigs in shit.

I saw a bunch of legal scholars on the Bundy Ranch FB page expressing surprise that Cliven Bundy could be arrested for anything related to the 2014 standoff.

I guess they don’t teach the concept of “statute of limitations” over at RWNJ Law School.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:57:52am

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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Obviously, he thinks The Toxic Avenger is some kind of documentary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:14am

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He is still a human being who is clearly having mental problems. What I would like to see is the law enforcement handling this properly (by getting the crazies off the phone and a trained professional on it) and then this same type of response extended in every other appropriate situation, which is what I said downstairs.

Because, ultimately, if it was someone I loved in that situation, that is the response I would want to see.

You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

Meant as a compliment.

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Sionainn  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:18am

Did he just let them arrest him?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:22am

It sound like he is surrendering!

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:24am

So glad he made the good choice.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:36am

At Balloon Juice

dedc79
says:
February 11, 2016 at 1:55 pm
Beginning to think everyone else surrendered to get away from Fry.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:36am

Hurray!

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:37am

It’s over. Thank dog.

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:39am

He is out.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:40am

He surrendered

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:58:54am

Good. Glad this didn’t have to end with someone dead.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:00am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:03am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:05am

All’s Well That Ends.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:34am

re: #114 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

Meant as a compliment.

For what it is worth, I’d have a lot less patience with someone who wasn’t clearly having a psychotic breakdown.

I’m so glad this ended well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:40am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

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I wonder how much of it was getting that Krisann person off the line?

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Lidane  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:59:53am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Good. Glad this didn’t have to end with someone dead.

I hope he gets the help he desperately needs.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:00am

Whew. Glad it turned out okay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:09am

re: #129 Lidane

I hope he gets the help he desperately needs.

Absolutely.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:15am

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:34am

OK!

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ipsos  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:48am

Phew.

Haven’t been listening, just following the thread here for sanity’s sake. Didn’t need to hear someone kill himself today.

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Sionainn  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:00:50am

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder how much of it was getting that Krisann person off the line?

As soon as they shut up and he started talking to someone else on the phone, he calmed down and surrendered rather quickly.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:00am

Great. Right back up on that stupid fucking soapbox.

No lessons learned here. None.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:03am
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:21am

As others noted…he got a hell of a lot more consideration and opportunity than a 12 year old black kid playing in the park.

I’m glad he was given that chance. I would be happier still if John Crawford, Tamir Rice etc etc were given it also.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:22am

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder how much of it was getting that Krisann person off the line?

I wonder what charges they’ll be bringing against her.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:45am

It’s finally over.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:48am

re: #138 Aunty Entity Dragon

As others noted…he got a hell of a lot more consideration and opportunity than a 12 year old black kid playing in the park.

I’m glad he was given that chance. I would be happier still if John Crawford, Tamir Rice etc etc were given it also.

Definitely.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:01:54am

Now someone please get Kris Ann the help she needs. Why was she brought in the first place?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:07am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

OK!

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Maryann.

Just like Bailey Quarters was way hotter than Jennifer Marlowe on WKRP In Cincinnati.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:21am

Apparently getting cut off from the RWNJ’s to talk with the FBI guy had instant positive results. The RWNJ’s are probably pissed as hell.

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Sionainn  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:28am

They are acting like they are the ones who talked him into surrendering. Puhlease.

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:33am

After hours of idiot RWNJs trying to talk him down…15 min with a LE pro got him out.

Will the RWers learn anything here? //

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Lidane  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:43am

re: #142 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Now someone please get Kris Ann the help she needs. Why was she brought in the first place?

For the same reason that Michele Fiore was there — publicity for them, and a sympathetic ear for the militia nutters.

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withak  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:53am

Well, that went better than expected.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:02:58am

re: #140 Charles Johnson

It’s finally over.

And the whole thing only killed one person - the suicide-by-cop from the last round of arrests. I’m impressed with the work of the FBI.

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bubba zanetti  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:03:05am

Not with a bang, but a whimper.

(I’m sure 5000 other people will quote the same thing)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:03:13am

re: #146 blueraven

After hours of idiot RWNJs trying to talk him down…15 min with a LE pro got him out.

Will the RWers learn anything here? //

Do they ever?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:03:28am

re: #127 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For what it is worth, I’d have a lot less patience with someone who wasn’t clearly having a psychotic breakdown.

I’m so glad this ended well.

My own perspective comes from watching Mrs. FBW deal with her brother’s mental issues. Nowhere as bad as Fry’s, but seeing what it did to her to try and help, and have to watch him fail, and feel guilty for not having done enough - I see those who are impacted by the craziness as victims, too.

If he’d killed himself, his parents would have felt awful for the rest of their lives. But there’s a continuing toll to loving someone with mental illness, too.

Anyway, maybe I’m just too cynical.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:03:55am

What a superb effort from the FBI on site

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20Hz  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:04:16am

KGW is continuing to broadcast the Gavin Seim and Kriss Anne Hall nut show instead of reporting on Fry’s surrender.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:04:36am

41 days later, the revolution ends not with a bang, but with a whimper.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:04:47am

So perhaps David is being taken to a hospital right now instead of jail.
Good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:04:52am

re: #138 Aunty Entity Dragon

As others noted…he got a hell of a lot more consideration and opportunity than a 12 year old black kid playing in the park.

I’m glad he was given that chance. I would be happier still if John Crawford, Tamir Rice etc etc were given it also.

Absolutely, and there should be more done to make sure everyone has that chance, if needed.

I think we should be aware that while we say “law enforcement” we really are dealing with different organizations here. The FBI is not the Cleveland Police Department or the NYPD. I’m quite sure that there are some similar concerns, but there are also probably substantial organizational differences, in part because the situations they are called on to respond to are different.

It’s great that the FBI has learned how to have a more level-headed, rational response. We need to figure out how to translate some of that into the local police departments.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:04:55am

re: #138 Aunty Entity Dragon

As others noted…he got a hell of a lot more consideration and opportunity than a 12 year old black kid playing in the park.

I’m glad he was given that chance. I would be happier still if John Crawford, Tamir Rice etc etc were given it also.

Ending White Privilege is not about treating white people like everyone else. It’s about treating everyone else like white people.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:05am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Maryann.

Just like Bailey Quarters was way hotter than Jennifer Marlowe on WKRP In Cincinnati.

Fun fact: Jan Smithers dated Daryl Hall of Hall & Oates for a while.

(I always like Bailey better, myself!)

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:13am

re: #150 bubba zanetti

Not with a bang, but a whimper.

(I’m sure 5000 other people will quote the same thing)

That’s probably true, but you’ll be the first.

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nines09  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:15am

Good. Maybe they let crazy talk to him so when a real person came on it was like a light went on. Either or, he’s not dead. Jerkoff. Now someone should lean into Michele Fiore and tell her if he would have shot himself she would have been brought up on charges. Then spit. And walk away.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:24am

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

His “friends” at the refuge should have duct taped him in his sleeping bag before they came out.

They were never his friends.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:40am

Man, that was grueling to listen to.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:05:58am

re: #146 blueraven

After hours of idiot RWNJs trying to talk him down…15 min with a LE pro got him out.

Will the RWers learn anything here? //

It’s impossible to learn anything when you already know everything.

And the nutbars believe they know everything.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:06:23am

re: #154 20Hz

KGW is continuing to broadcast this Gavin Seim and Kriss Anne Hall nut show instead of reporting on Fry’s surrender.

Yeah, I cut the feed since it was just those infernal G-d-botherers fellating one another for the glory of Jeebus.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:06:28am

re: #159 makeitstop

Fun fact: Jan Smithers dated Daryl Hall of Hall & Oates for a while.

(I always like Bailey better, myself!)

Heh. I didn’t know that.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:06:50am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, both myself and Mrs. Fish have struggled on and off with severe depression, so I tend to be a lot more understanding and empathetic toward that particular disability. It’s nothing to laugh at, shrug off, or give the cold shoulder to - even if you think they’re just doing it for attention.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:06:59am

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Man, that was grueling to listen to.

I feel for ya’ll. I went to bed hours ago, figuring it was going to be done by the time I got back, and now it’s nearly 12 hours later.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:07:18am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:07:45am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

My own perspective comes from watching Mrs. FBW deal with her brother’s mental issues. Nowhere as bad as Fry’s, but seeing what it did to her to try and help, and have to watch him fail, and feel guilty for not having done enough - I see those who are impacted by the craziness as victims, too.

If he’d killed himself, his parents would have felt awful for the rest of their lives. But there’s a continuing toll to loving someone with mental illness, too.

Anyway, maybe I’m just too cynical.

I’m hopeful that it will be easier with him in jail, where hopefully they can help keep him on his meds.

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iossarian  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:09:43am

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Ending White Privilege is not about treating white people like everyone else. It’s about treating everyone else like white people.

A thousand times this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:10:07am
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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:10:23am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:10:48am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:11:29am

re: #170 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m hopeful that it will be easier with him in jail, where hopefully they can help keep him on his meds.

Our next door neighbor was schizophrenic. One morning she showed up on our doorstep naked. Mrs. FBW called 911, they came and got her and put her under observation, got her back on her meds.

The next day they released her. They couldn’t legally keep her, since she was no longer ‘a danger to herself and others’.

You can’t force people to stay on their meds, outside of an institution. And you can’t institutionalize people who aren’t dangerous.

Another Catch 22.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:11:44am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:12:14am

re: #167 thedopefishlives

Yeah, both myself and Mrs. Fish have struggled on and off with severe depression, so I tend to be a lot more understanding and empathetic toward that particular disability. It’s nothing to laugh at, shrug off, or give the cold shoulder to - even if you think they’re just doing it for attention.

I struggle with it too. The guy needs help and I’m hopeful that getting him away from the assholes and on his meds will help.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:12:26am

re: #170 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m hopeful that it will be easier with him in jail, where hopefully they can help keep him on his meds.

IF they keep him on his meds. Mental Health care isn’t necessarily good because he is in custody.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:13:15am

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Ending White Privilege is not about treating white people men like everyone else. It’s about treating everyone else like white people men.

FFFY

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:13:28am

Ironically, from today:

Fear of Vengeful Gods Helped Societies Expand

Belief in an all-seeing punitive god motivates people to be more charitable towards strangers outside their own family and community, particularly to those of similar beliefs, researchers have found.

A study, published Wednesday in Nature, suggests religiosity may contribute to greater cooperation and collaboration despite geographic separation.

“People may trust in, cooperate with and interact fairly within wider social circles, partly because they believe that knowing gods will punish them if they do not,” the study’s authors wrote.

[…]

I’m rather skeptical, at least of how that news article is painting the research.

Actual paper found here:

nature.com

I’m wondering about their games they set up to try and test their hypotheses. For example, how they separate out the cause and effect, and if there might be hidden variables lurking about.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:35am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Our next door neighbor was schizophrenic. One morning she showed up on our doorstep naked. Mrs. FBW called 911, they came and got her and put her under observation, got her back on her meds.

The next day they released her. They couldn’t legally keep her, since she was no longer ‘a danger to herself and others’.

You can’t force people to stay on their meds, outside of an institution. And you can’t institutionalize people who aren’t dangerous.

Another Catch 22.

I don’t think Fry is likely to be institutionalized over prison, not long term. I think he still has the jail sentence waiting to deal with, and my guess is that in that kind of regimented environment, it would be easier to keep him on his meds.

Given what he’s like when he’s not on the meds, as evidenced here, I don’t think they’re going to ignore this issue.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:36am

re: #178 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

IF they keep him on his meds. Mental Health care isn’t necessarily good because he is in custody.

He really needs to be in a psychiatric hospital, not a prison ward.

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CleverToad  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:38am

Watching MSNBC right now. The chyron still says that three of the four holdouts are in custody, but they haven’t updated to show that the last one has folded. And of course they are not about to cut away from the fanatic coverage of the political horse-race to address a major news event.

TPM does have an article up now.

Haven’t had the stomach to look at CNN.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:39am

re: #167 thedopefishlives

Yeah, both myself and Mrs. Fish have struggled on and off with severe depression, so I tend to be a lot more understanding and empathetic toward that particular disability. It’s nothing to laugh at, shrug off, or give the cold shoulder to - even if you think they’re just doing it for attention.

It’s anxiety for the FBW family. I’m the only one not on meds for it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:40am

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Our next door neighbor was schizophrenic. One morning she showed up on our doorstep naked. Mrs. FBW called 911, they came and got her and put her under observation, got her back on her meds.

The next day they released her. They couldn’t legally keep her, since she was no longer ‘a danger to herself and others’.

You can’t force people to stay on their meds, outside of an institution. And you can’t institutionalize people who aren’t dangerous.

Another Catch 22.

IIRC, the meds themselves can have side effects the ill person can perceive as worse than the illness itself.

It can also take months to get the med combination/dosage correct. Grueling for the sick person.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:14:44am
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philosophus invidius  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:15:38am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:16:00am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:16:11am

re: #179 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

FFFY

White privilege is a thing too. I understand what you mean here but he’s talking very much about how a white kid like Fry is able to be able to get negotiated out of a situation like this while a black kid like Rice gets shot no questions asked. No “Son, lay down the weapon.” We can acknowledge gender problems while also acknowledging racial problems.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:16:19am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

He really needs to be in a psychiatric hospital, not a prison ward.

Short term, I absolutely think that’s where he ends up. Once he’s stabilized, I think then he moves to prison.

Just my take on it, of course, and I am not a mental health professional.

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b_sharp  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:16:40am

The window for actually pulling the trigger in a suicide is pretty narrow. There is a long build up and a long climb down. While I was listening I realized he was past the window but that woman’s words seemed to prevent him from pulling away.

Sleep is a way to quiet the mind and get away from the thoughts. Her demanding he not sleep was a bad choice.

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unproven innocence  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:16:50am

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

I’m not listening, and thanks to those Lizards who are, as disturbing as it may be, but this seems like Mr. Fry is basically having a psychotic breakdown for all the world to see.

You just had to put a positive spin on the situation, huh?
/

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:17:06am

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s anxiety for the FBW family. I’m the only one not on meds for it.

My family has both anxiety/depression. Self-medicated for generations. Add a couple of World Wars and PTSD into the mix multiply by the population of the Western World and I’m quite serious about Mental Health Treatment.

PTSD is a generational self-perpetuating illness.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:17:10am

While I’m on my soapbox about poor writing, here’s a doozy from WaPo about today’s A-LIGO announcement:

These black holes were each approximately the diameter of a major metropolis. They orbited one another at a furious pace at the very end, speeding up to about 75 orbits per second — warping the space around them like a blender cranked to infinity — until finally the two black holes became one.

No, not “infinity”. 75 orbits per second is not “infinity”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:17:23am

re: #186 jaunte

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Of course they do. Everything is a false fucking flag to nutcases.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:18:08am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Of course they do. Everything is a false fucking flag to nutcases.

Because “false” is the opposite of reality.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:18:30am

Anyhow to speak candidly about my own mental illness problems. A lot of it stems from self doubt. Feeling not good enough. And quite frankly feeling like a failure with nothing to show for my own accomplihments.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:19:07am

re: #196 freetoken

Because “false” is the opposite of reality.

I am still pissed about how one of the Sandy Hook truthers harassed the family of one of the children that died.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:19:39am

re: #185 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

IIRC, the meds themselves can have side effects the ill person can perceive as worse than the illness itself.

It can also take months to get the med combination/dosage correct. Grueling for the sick person.

My old boss had Tourette’s. Not the ‘shouting obscenities’ kind. Just tics, eyes and hands. Sometimes so bad he’d walk into stuff. He said he could suppress them when he needed to, but they’d come back worse after.

The drug prescribed for it was, IIRC, Haldol - also used for schizophrenia. He said it made him feel like a lot of his brain was shut off. Stupid. Unable to think clearly. I suspect it does the same for Schizophrenics, and if they skip a dose, they might feel the fog lifting, and it might feel good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:19:48am

My motivation to go work out is nonexistent this morning.

I’ll admit the livestream has provided something of an excuse.

Now it’s done and I still have no motivation.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:20:24am

Guess that makes it official

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My motivation to go work out is nonexistent this morning.

I’ll admit the livestream has provided something of an excuse.

Now it’s done and I still have no motivation.

I know the feeling heh. I’ts a lot easier though now that I got the TV working again in my workout room.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:22:13am

I’m surprised Donald Trump didn’t op in and say he would have gotten Fry to step down within minutes because he’s an EXCELLENT negotiator.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:22:17am

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

My old boss had Tourette’s. Not the ‘shouting obscenities’ kind. Just tics, eyes and hands. Sometimes so bad he’d walk into stuff. He said he could suppress them when he needed to, but they’d come back worse after.

The drug prescribed for it was, IIRC, Haldol - also used for schizophrenia. He said it made him feel like a lot of his brain was shut off. Stupid. Unable to think clearly. I suspect it does the same for Schizophrenics, and if they skip a dose, they might feel the fog lifting, and it might feel good.

My doctor prescribed Wellbutrin for me as an aid to quit smoking (didn’t work). I definitely cut way down on smoking while I was taking it, but I could feel myself becoming more withdrawn over time. Even when I look at pictures of myself during that time, I can see the difference in my face. I was disappearing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:22:48am

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My motivation to go work out is nonexistent this morning.

I’ll admit the livestream has provided something of an excuse.

Now it’s done and I still have no motivation.

Don’cha hate that, when your excuse evaporates and you’re left having to just say, “I don’t wanna!”?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:23:28am

Looking in other places for news…

Of course, Dreher is very concerned that the mean transgendered people are upset at Dr Kenneth Zucker who insisted on “reparative therapy” for kids who came out as trans. It looks like Dr Zucker has lost his clinic, and Rod thinks the transgender Nazis are on the way to come and get every orthodox Troo Beleever next unless they all go get their daily fix of Benedikt Opshun.

Rod must have the most entertaining time trying to sell this shit to upper class rubes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:23:38am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised Donald Trump didn’t op in and say he would have gotten Fry to step down within minutes because he’s an EXCELLENT negotiator.

And he would have gotten Fry to pay for it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:23:48am

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

My old boss had Tourette’s. Not the ‘shouting obscenities’ kind. Just tics, eyes and hands. Sometimes so bad he’d walk into stuff. He said he could suppress them when he needed to, but they’d come back worse after.

The drug prescribed for it was, IIRC, Haldol - also used for schizophrenia. He said it made him feel like a lot of his brain was shut off. Stupid. Unable to think clearly. I suspect it does the same for Schizophrenics, and if they skip a dose, they might feel the fog lifting, and it might feel good.

Something that also happens is that the meds do work …and the person then thinks they no longer need them and stops taking them.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:24:51am

Oh,yes, Please!!!
Religious fundamentalism could soon be treated as mental illness

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:16am

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

Guess that makes it official

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I wonder how long it will be until the refuge buildings are useable again. It’s going to be a crime scene for quite a while and then they’ll have to clean up, repair the roads and other damage. Probably replace computers and other electronics. What a hassle.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:20am

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’cha hate that, when your excuse evaporates and you’re left having to just say, “I don’t wanna!”?

I put on the workout clothes, so I’m committed now.

Would be nice if we could have slept in this morning, since he was skipping the 10:30 group meeting because we were up until 3am because he was working but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the clock still had to be set for the normal time of 9am.

So there is some level of extra cranky going on here. Plus the hard drive issue.

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b_sharp  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:23am

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:44am

re: #206 Aunty Entity Dragon

Looking in other places for news…

Of course, Dreher is very concerned that the mean transgendered people are upset at Dr Kenneth Zucker who insisted on “reparative therapy” for kids who came out as trans. It looks like Dr Zucker has lost his clinic, and Rod thinks the transgender Nazis are on the way to come and get every orthodox Troo Beleever next unless they all go get their daily fix of Benedikt Opshun.

Rod must have the most entertaining time trying to sell this shit to upper class rubes.

When is crunchy-con Rod going to go Galt-Benedict already? If he doesn’t soon he might not have any sanity left.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:57am

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

Whaaaa…?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:25:59am

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

I’m glad you did wake up.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:00am

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something that also happens is that the meds do work …and the person then thinks they no longer need them and stops taking them.

And that’s a lack of understanding of how mental disorders work. There’s no cure; there’s lifelong treatment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:03am

re: #206 Aunty Entity Dragon

Looking in other places for news…

Of course, Dreher is very concerned that the mean transgendered people are upset at Dr Kenneth Zucker who insisted on “reparative therapy” for kids who came out as trans. It looks like Dr Zucker has lost his clinic, and Rod thinks the transgender Nazis are on the way to come and get every orthodox Troo Beleever next unless they all go get their daily fix of Benedikt Opshun.

Rod must have the most entertaining time trying to sell this shit to upper class rubes.

I just wonder how Rod would feel if some doctor told him he was a freak because of who he’s attracted to and what gender he sees himself as. Really it’s so typical of RR nutters like him to fancy themselves victims and to liken people who disagree with them to the Nazis. IF Rod actually paid attention to his history, he’d realize that the Nazis and him shared a very similiar mindset about LGBT peopel and seeing them as people who needed to be “Fixed.”

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:24am

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

I’m glad you did. Wow.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:31am

re: #213 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

When is crunchy-con Rod going to go Galt-Benedict already? If he doesn’t soon he might not have any sanity left.

Not until he sells another book or three. Pretty sure he has more family members to exploit.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:32am

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something that also happens is that the meds do work …and the person then thinks they no longer need them and stops taking them.

Yes, much like antibiotics —then the infection just get’s worse.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:26:59am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised Donald Trump didn’t op in and say he would have gotten Fry to step down within minutes because he’s an EXCELLENT negotiator.

I’ve been in a meeting…is this crap over yet?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:27:08am

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

Damn man.

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CleverToad  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:27:11am

Heave a sigh of relief and wait for the pictures to come out that detail the exact amount of damage these turkeys did to the refuge. Hope it’s not too long before the people who really love and care for the birds and the land can get back in there — safely — to start the repairs.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:27:17am

re: #209 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Oh,yes, Please!!!
Religious fundamentalism could soon be treated as mental illness

Has anyone told her yet she’s going to burn in hell for suggesting that?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:27:18am

re: #221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’ve been in a meeting…is this crap over yet?

Yeah Fry surrendered.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:28:08am

re: #221 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’ve been in a meeting…is this crap over yet?

Finally. When the religious nutcases were taken off the line and an actual FBI professional got on the line it was over very quickly.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:28:59am

re: #216 thedopefishlives

And that’s a lack of understanding of how mental disorders work. There’s no cure; there’s lifelong treatment.

WEll, yes and no.

I think there was some research that showed that short term SSRI treatment got the brain back on track. Depends on the cause of the depression, I suppose.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:29:13am

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

Glad you’re still here. You make me laugh a lot. :)

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:29:18am

Just saw your comments about it being over.

Yay!

Now back to my own standoff…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:29:44am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

WEll, yes and no.

I think there was some research that showed that short term SSRI treatment got the brain back on track. Depends on the cause of the depression, I suppose.

Depends on a lot of factors, I’d imagine. Just sayin’, not everything is a simple, “pop some pills until it goes away.”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:30:12am

OK, I’m going to lay on the couch for a nap.
I have to walk the dogs in two and a half hours.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:30:39am

re: #204 makeitstop

My doctor prescribed Wellbutrin for me as an aid to quit smoking (didn’t work). I definitely cut way down on smoking while I was taking it, but I could feel myself becoming more withdrawn over time. Even when I look at pictures of myself during that time, I can see the difference in my face. I was disappearing.

It can take dozens of tries to find an anti-depressant that works. I’ve got a list of about 7-8 meds that didn’t work well. I do take Remeron, which hasn’t been stellar but took the bottom edge off the depression and doesn’t get in the way.

the worst thing about trying a new depression or anxiety med is the two month trial where you try to put up with the bad stuff while waiting for the good to kick in. When it doesn’t work you feel like 2-3 months have been taken out of your life.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:31:02am

re: #212 b_sharp

I am glad you are still here. Thank you for sharing that. I know it’s hard.

I have fought anxiety, depression and PTSD since I was 5 yrs old. 50 years. SSRIs and SSRs do not work for me. It’s been a hit or miss combo of things over the years to keep me here and functioning. I have low periods and better ones. It’s day to day. I wish pot were legal so I had access to Indica strains, which are supposed to help with my issues. CBT has helped (cognitive behavioral therapy), exercise, a dog that forces me out of bed, and my kids are about all that I can do.

We aren’t alone, that much I do know. ((((hugs)))) to you.

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b_sharp  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:31:26am

re: #214 Aunty Entity Dragon

Whaaaa…?

Yah. Bad 3 yr period.Only thing saved me was bad choice in pills and no working gun.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:32:24am

re: #234 b_sharp

Yah. Bad 3 yr period.Only thing saved me was bad choice in pills and no working gun.

Well sometimes that’s all ti takes. When I had my attempt. I wanted to be seen. It was a cry for help. I haven’t had an attempt since but I’d be lying if I haven’t had a day where I stared at a knife and wondered.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:21am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

(((hugs to you too)))

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:30am

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something that also happens is that the meds do work …and the person then thinks they no longer need them and stops taking them.

I have seen that.

At first, the effect of stopping is that the side effects go away, the absence of which, for SSRI antidepressants, can be…highly enjoyable. And then you have energy, like you didn’t have on the drugs! You can get things done! And there’s so much to do, that you don’t even need the daily nap you used to take! And you’re so full of energy, you stay up late getting things done! Everyone notices how much happier and more energetic you seem!

You think you’re cured! All that time in therapy and the meds paid off!

Then you start finding yourself STARTING a zillion things, but unable to finish any of them. Your ‘staying up late’ starts to turn into insomnia. Soon you find yourself unable to focus on any one thing, and you’re terrorized by the thought that the things you’ve started might not come out perfect, might not be done in the absolute best way.

Yeah. It starts out feeling great, ‘and then it all goes horribly wrong’. Turns out the side effects AREN’T worse than the condition.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:34am

re: #234 b_sharp

Yah. Bad 3 yr period.Only thing saved me was bad choice in pills and no working gun.

glad as hell that DID NOT work!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:38am

re: #234 b_sharp

Yah. Bad 3 yr period.Only thing saved me was bad choice in pills and no working gun.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:51am

re: #233 A Mom Anon

I am glad you are still here. Thank you for sharing that. I know it’s hard.

I have fought anxiety, depression and PTSD since I was 5 yrs old. 50 years. SSRIs and SSRs do not work for me. It’s been a hit or miss combo of things over the years to keep me here and functioning. I have low periods and better ones. It’s day to day. I wish pot were legal so I had access to Indica strains, which are supposed to help with my issues. CBT has helped (cognitive behavioral therapy), exercise, a dog that forces me out of bed, and my kids are about all that I can do.

We aren’t alone, that much I do know. ((((hugs)))) to you.

THe pain issues with my disorder are very difficult to deal with. Exercise is more than difficult. All I can do is remember than my pain and disability didn’t start until I was in my 40’s. Many have it much much worse.

After-all, I am a white person living in the USA. What do I have really to complain about.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:33:56am

I’m calling an early end to my regular work today - I’ve got a dozen new songs to learn for a private party on Saturday, then another 6 to learn for a show at the Playstation Theater in NYC on Tuesday night. With another rehearsal with my own band on Monday, where we’re putting together four songs I already know.

A different type of work, but still work.

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ausador  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:34:46am

No conflict of interest serving in Congress and running a hedge fund at the same time, right?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:34:57am

re: #236 A Mom Anon

(((hugs to you too)))

Thanks. Hard to believe that was close to ten years ago already.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:35:07am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Maryann.

Just like Bailey Quarters was way hotter than Jennifer Marlowe on WKRP In Cincinnati.

Had to go back and look at this cast again, and yup. Jan Smithers is hawt.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:35:16am

Meanwhile, in Kansas:

Republicans decry Kansas court ruling on schools

Two Republican lawmakers are accusing the Kansas Supreme Court of trying to hold taxpayers and schoolchildren hostage with a ruling striking down an education funding law.

House Speaker Ray Merrick of Stillwell and state Sen. Jeff Melcher of Leawood decried the court’s ruling Thursday.

The court said the school funding law was unfair to poor districts and shorted their annual aid at least $54 million. The justices said if lawmakers don’t rewrite the law by June 30, the state’s schools must shut down.

[…]

Kansas continues to discover how backwards they were taken by the rise of the wingnuts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:35:56am

re: #242 ausador

No conflict of interest serving in Congress and running a hedge fund at the same time, right?

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Murphy’s probably the better candidate. I like when Grayson calls the Republicans what they are but that doesn’t mean he’s the best choice either. Of course, I know nothing about Florida politics.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:37:08am

re: #232 stpaulbear

Remeron (mirtazepeine) is one-half of the combo known as California Rocket Fuel (the other component is Effexor/venlafaxine)

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:37:43am

bbl

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:37:53am

re: #240 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

THe pain issues with my disorder are very difficult to deal with. Exercise is more than difficult. All I can do is remember than my pain and disability didn’t start until I was in my 40’s. Many have it much much worse.

After-all, I am a white person living in the USA. What do I have really to complain about.

For me, it’s a lot about self doubt. You can only get so many declined job offers or no call backs. I mean I know I have it easier as a product of America’s white upper middle class but as someone on the spectrum, it’s tough to deal with knowing how hard it is for someone to find employment. I think I’ve read the unemployment is well over 50% for people with ASD. And underemployment happens too. My last job while I liked it was quite frankly something I could have done straight out of high school.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:38:20am

re: #239 thedopefishlives

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:38:26am

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

An Iranian official said “Republican rivals of the current US administration” attempted to stall last month’s Iranian-U.S. prisoner swap until the eve of the U.S. presidential election, Tasnim News Agency reported.

According to the semi-official Iranian news outlet, Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, made the claims during a speech Thursday at a rally in Yazd, Iran.

“In the course of the talks for exchanging prisoners, the Republican rivals of the current US administration who claim to be humanitarians and advocates of human rights sent a message telling us not to release these people [American prisoners] and continue this process [of talks] until the eve of US presidential elections,” Shamkhani said, according to Tasnim.

“We acted upon our independent resolve and moved the process forward,” Shamkhani said.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:39:16am

re: #227 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

WEll, yes and no.

I think there was some research that showed that short term SSRI treatment got the brain back on track. Depends on the cause of the depression, I suppose.

Very much so.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:39:19am

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

After the shit Kissinger pulled in 1968 in Paris. Nothing would shock me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:39:20am
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b_sharp  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:39:45am

re: #239 thedopefishlives

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I rehearsed dozens of times over that 3 years. Then I had a fuck it moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:39:52am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:40:16am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FBI did a good job of preventing another Ruby Ridge or Waco. I think these occpuiers should spend a long time in prison but at the same time, I am very much relieved outside that one guy that no one died.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:40:19am

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Something that also happens is that the meds do work …and the person then thinks they no longer need them and stops taking them.

Been there, done that, could write a textbook about it. It’s not pleasant when meds don’t work or stop working.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:40:25am

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

Could be true, but without any other confirmation, it may just be agitation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:40:58am

re: #259 jaunte

Could be true, but without any other confirmation, it may just be agitation.

There is that too.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:40:59am

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

Those are the kinds of things that make you rethink “Reagan didn’t have anything to do with the hostage release.”

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:41:05am

Local congressman Hunter The Lesser goes off the edge:

California congressman vapes for your right to puff on planes

Vapes in committee:

vine.co

The only reason he’s in Congress is that he inherited that seat from his father.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:41:54am

re: #181 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t think Fry is likely to be institutionalized over prison, not long term. I think he still has the jail sentence waiting to deal with, and my guess is that in that kind of regimented environment, it would be easier to keep him on his meds.

Given what he’s like when he’s not on the meds, as evidenced here, I don’t think they’re going to ignore this issue.

The prisons are full of mentally ill people. vox.com

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b_sharp  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:41:59am

re: #247 Eric The Fruit Bat

Remeron (mirtazepeine) is one-half of the combo known as California Rocket Fuel (the other component is Effexor/venlafaxine)

I get too angry on that combo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:42:04am

re: #262 freetoken

Local congressman Hunter The Lesser goes off the edge:

California congressman vapes for your right to puff on planes

Vapes in committee:

vine.co

The only reason he’s in Congress is that he inherited that seat from his father.

Important issues.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:42:25am

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

He does know how to troll, though:

“In the course of the talks for exchanging prisoners, the Republican rivals of the current US administration who claim to be humanitarians and advocates of human rights sent a message telling us not to release these people [American prisoners] and continue this process [of talks] until the eve of US presidential elections,” Shamkhani said, according to Tasnim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:42:33am

re: #261 Belafon

Those are the kinds of things that make you rethink “Reagan didn’t have anything to do with the hostage release.”

As I said after reading what Kissinger did in Paris, nothing would shock me.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:43:14am

re: #266 Belafon

He does know how to troll, though:

I noticed that dig. Expertly done.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:43:44am

re: #111 nines09

I guess we can all figure out his favorite radio shows…….

Click and Clack?
//

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:45:38am

re: #247 Eric The Fruit Bat

Remeron (mirtazepeine) is one-half of the combo known as California Rocket Fuel (the other component is Effexor/venlafaxine)

I think I may have been on that combo for a month or so. Effexor and Wellbutrin are both on my ‘no’ list.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:46:03am

re: #242 ausador

No conflict of interest serving in Congress and running a hedge fund at the same time, right?

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Oh. Wow. If true, his career in Congress is up in smoke.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:46:38am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

As I said after reading what Kissinger did in Paris, nothing would shock me.

The Iranian should have named names. Make them fuckers deny it.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:47:43am

re: #272 makeitstop

The Iranian should have named names. Make them fuckers deny it.

I agree. If it was done, it would be a serious felony charge(s).

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:49:08am

re: #251 Aunty Entity Dragon

My God. Can this be true?

talkingpointsmemo.com

Pretty sure no.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:49:15am

re: #273 Aunty Entity Dragon

It’d be a potential violation of the Logan Act. Interfering with foreign policy.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:49:36am

re: #273 Aunty Entity Dragon

I agree. If it was done, it would be a serious felony charge(s).

I’m suspicious. Reading the Iranian news agency article, it seems designed as propaganda.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:50:05am

re: #272 makeitstop

The Iranian should have named names. Make them fuckers deny it.

Absolutely. Otherwise, it’s easy to say the Iranians are trying to stir shit up and hey they may very well be but I am not totally discounting it either because of what we know Kissinger as a proxy of the Nixon campaign did in Paris and the long standing rumors about the Reagan campaign too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:50:54am

OTOH I don’t think the Republicans would be this stupid.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:52:14am

One other thing about depression/anxiety.

The boredom.

I’m in a lull. I’m just so freaking tired of working on myself. I need another vacation.

It’s probably one of the good reasons to belong to a church —the repetitive nature of prayer and reflection —makes work on yourself in a fellowship. Like the 12-steps.

Maybe another puppy?

:)

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:52:31am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

OTOH I don’t think the Republicans would be this stupid.

The same Republicans that wrote to the Iranians trying to halt the negotiations?

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:52:42am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

OTOH I don’t think the Republicans would be this stupid.

After they did pretty much the same thing in trying to scuttle the Iran deal (Tom Cotton’s letter, collusion with Bibi), I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:52:50am

re: #280 Belafon

The same Republicans that wrote to the Iranians trying to halt the negotiations?

Touche.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:52:54am

re: #276 freetoken

I’m suspicious. Reading the Iranian news agency article, it seems designed as propaganda.

Much like the pages here by our dump-a-post-and-run folks…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:07am

re: #281 makeitstop

After they did pretty much the same thing in trying to scuttle the Iran deal (Tom Cotton’s letter, collusion with Bibi), I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

Yeah you’re right. So I dunno honestly.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:16am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

OTOH I don’t think the Republicans would be this stupid.

Personally, I think all politicians do such things. It seems to be the way the world works. Everyone trying to hedge events to a preferred outcome.

bbl

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:33am
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:43am

re: #275 lawhawk

It’d be a potential violation of the Logan Act. Interfering with foreign policy.

Maybe Tom Cotton is stupid enough.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:45am

re: #276 freetoken

I’m suspicious. Reading the Iranian news agency article, it seems designed as propaganda.

It’s absolutely propaganda. Make people think something was underhanded or otherwise double dealing going on with GOPers trying to take advantage of situation for political benefit.

Without them naming names, this is a blind item with no proof of happening, no matter how plausible it sounds because it seems like something some GOPers would do with their dirty tricks and blocking everything the current Administration has attempted to do since 2009.

But an objective reading would suggest that this is propaganda and nothing more.

If the Iranians name-drop and identify who was involved, that opens up new lines of inquiry.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:50am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

OTOH I don’t think the Republicans would be this stupid.

I could see Franklin Graham, who counted one of the four being held (Saeed Abedini) as a protege, mucking around in the negotiations.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:55:10am

re: #289 mmmirele

I could see Franklin Graham, who counted one of the four being held (Saeed Abedini) as a protege, mucking around in the negotiations.

That wouldn’t surprise me. The politicians would more so.

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Tigger2  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:56:53am

The real winners.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:57:23am

I just think the way the Republican party has totally wanted to undermine this President form the start that nothing would really shock me.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:57:30am

I’m working on a small project and following along.

I just want to say thanks to all of the Lizardfolk for sharing all their heart-wrenching stories of their own issues. It takes a lot to share all that, even if we don’t know your names.

It helps put my own problems with finding work and getting screwed over in a scam in perspective.

Love you guys!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:57:55am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I just think the way the Republican party has totally wanted to undermine this President form the start that nothing would really shock me.

It wouldn’t surprise any of us, but it’s not up to the level of proof yet.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:59:18am

I’d also note that Franklin Graham has dropped Saeed Abedini like a hot potato. But it wasn’t because Abedini’s estranged wife had filed for custody of their children in Idaho. It was because records came out showing Abedini had been convicted of misdemeanor spousal abuse against his estranged wife, Naghmeh, in 2007. After a lot of blamey crap was directed towards Naghmeh in Evangelical circles, when the actual screen shots of the conviction came out, Abedini’s star was tarnished and he was dropped by his famous benefactors.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:59:48am

Gee I wonder what triggered the resurgence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:00:39pm

re: #294 thedopefishlives

It wouldn’t surprise any of us, but it’s not up to the level of proof yet.

Right hence why I’ll take this position: Wouldn’t shock me but I am not believing it 100% either.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:00:43pm

Let us not act like Republicans and credulously swallow propaganda because we just know Republicans are evil.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:01:25pm

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Gee I wonder what triggered the resurgence.

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Yeah what a quink a dink that the militia movement returned when Obama became president just like Republican concern for the deficit and executive power became a thing then too.

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Snarknado!  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:01:37pm

re: #212 b_sharp

Full disclosure: Just over 18 months ago I pulled the trigger. I was quite surprised surprised to wake up.

We’re glad you did. Wake up, I mean.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:01:40pm

re: #298 Big Beautiful Door

Let us not act like Republicans and credulously swallow propaganda because we just know Republicans are evil.

Yeah, you’re right. I

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:02:23pm

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Gee I wonder what triggered the resurgence.

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I’d say sarcastically, “Thanks, Obama,” but I’m pretty sure it’s just virulent racism.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:02:40pm

re: #298 Big Beautiful Door

But it works for them.
//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:02:52pm

You never saw Republicans concerned about the NSA during hte Bush years either.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:03:13pm

Big money still wants the land.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:04:46pm

re: #305 jaunte

Big money still wants the land.

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What a shock.

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unproven innocence  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:05:18pm

re: #305 jaunte

Big money still wants the land.

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This will continue, but it will not make the news nearly as much as what we have just seen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:06:18pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

his messianic Judaism is based on christian apocalyptic world views, according to convos we’ve had.

This is another reason our Founding Fathers separated church and state, because they understood that religion is subjective, personal and can be changed from moment to moment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:07:13pm

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is another reason our Founding Fathers separated church and state, because they understood that religion is subjective, personal and can be changed from moment to moment.

They also were descendants of people who had lived in countries where there was state sanctioned religion and knew that wasn’t pretty.

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:09:40pm

True, about the impact of Iranian statement re: US sailors. Some things will come back to bite you even when not true.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:09:40pm

re: #305 jaunte

Big money still wants the land.

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Ultimately, its about the Kochs picking up mineral rights cheap.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:10:01pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

They also were descendants of people who had lived in countries where there was state sanctioned religion and knew that wasn’t pretty.

What…living in Tudor England wasn’t Sacramental Natural Law Awesomeness? Rod would be disappointed to hear that.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:11:05pm

re: #311 Big Beautiful Door

Ultimately, its about the Kochs picking up mineral rights cheap.

Rape the land. Privatize the profits. Dump the environmental cleanup and health lawsuits on the rest of us and socialize the losses.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:12:32pm

re: #312 Aunty Entity Dragon

What…living in Tudor England wasn’t Sacramental Natural Law Awesomeness? Rod would be disappointed to hear that.

Yeah I know, poor Rod. I would suggest using Doc Brown’s Delorean or Rufus’s phone booth but I think he would get killed for being a heretic.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:12:42pm

re: #313 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rape the land. Privatize the profits. Dump the environmental cleanup and health lawsuits on the rest of us and socialize the losses.

Um, yes. We don’t see the problem.

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ausador  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:13:08pm

Get the feeling they don’t like Trump…

Awesome to see when the media actually describe him as he deserves, more of them should be.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:13:21pm

re: #312 Aunty Entity Dragon

What…living in Tudor England wasn’t Sacramental Natural Law Awesomeness? Rod would be disappointed to hear that.

Rod would have threatened to go Benedict Option in Elizabeth’s England.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:16:27pm

re: #316 ausador

Noah Rothman is a right wing dick. Right wing dicks can’t stand Donald Trump, because he says out loud what they all really believe, but are too sneaky to say out loud.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:18:19pm

Just got a chance to read this article linked above (same link here)

NBC News - Sanders: Obama Hasn’t Closed ‘Presidential Leadership Gap’

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“There’s a huge gap right now between Congress and the American people. What presidential leadership is about closing that gap,” he told MSNBC in an interview Wednesday that will air in full Thursday evening on “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell.”

Asked if he believed President Obama had closed that gap, Sanders said: “No, I don’t. I mean, I think he has made the effort. But I think what we need, when I talk about a political revolution, is bringing millions and millions of people into the political process in a way that does not exist right now.”

Sanders said his strategy for pushing through an ambitious agenda that includes single payer health care and free college tuition would involve mobilizing thousands of people who don’t currently participate in the political process — though he did acknowledge that the president turned out more voters, particularly minorities, than ever before.

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I know what I think…but I am wondering what other takes may be.

Seems like pie-in-the-sky dreaming considering the current political climate in this country. I also realize that it is campaign rhetoric and Obama used some of the same.

One thing for sure…tonight’s debate has a chance to grow testy. Buckle up…and let’s be nice to each other.

See you for the big show! By the way…it is going to be on PBS and I read there will be streaming on YouTube.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:18:47pm
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KerFuFFler  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:19:59pm

re: #305 jaunte

Big money still wants the land.

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Yeah, the “militia” types are dupes for the wealthy actors behind the scenes. If the government sold the land, who do they think would buy it? Do they really think they would end up with any of it? The Kochs don’t give a damn how many lives are ruined ginning up anti-government feeling. They stand to reap huge profits, and “the little guy” will have even less of a voice if the land becomes privately owned.

And seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these obscenely rich people? Why not retire, get hobbies and just enjoy a luxurious lifestyle——-maybe dabble in philanthropy? They have more money than they can ever enjoy in their lifetime*——why do they need more? That degree of acquisitiveness seems like a form of mental illness.

*Maybe that’s what pisses them off——-it is so unfair that there are not enough hours in the day to spend and enjoy their plunder so everyone else should be punished and for that they need even more power.

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blueraven  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:22:07pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

Just got a chance to read this article linked above (same link here)

NBC News - Sanders: Obama Hasn’t Closed ‘Presidential Leadership Gap’

I know what I think…but I am wondering what other takes may be.

Seems like pie-in-the-sky dreaming considering the current political climate in this country. I also realize that it is campaign rhetoric and Obama used some of the same.

One thing for sure…tonight’s debate has a chance to grow testy. Buckle up…and let’s be nice to each other.

See you for the big show! By the way…it is going to be on PBS and I read there will be streaming on YouTube.

Bernie is full of it. Obama had a huge coalition and much enthusiasm, but the truth is most voters, especially the young ones, disappear after an election is over.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:23:58pm

re: #322 blueraven

Bernie is full of it. Obama had a huge coalition and much enthusiasm, but the truth is voters, especially the young ones, disappear after an election is over.

If Bernie gets elected, he’ll find that out the hard way. I like Bernie but man I just do not see or hear a leader when I hear him talk. It’s not to say he shouldn’t have a place in the debate but I don’t see him as a leader.

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Jenner7  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:30:53pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

For someone who has been in Congress, he should know the incredible obstruction from the other party.

This was very stupid to say.

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gwangung  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:35:24pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Folks may want to read this:

shakesville.com

It details some of the sloppy management done by the Sanders campaign.

I think that’s a more valid area to talk about than who walked with whome…..

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2016 • 12:45:12pm

re: #262 freetoken

Local congressman Hunter The Lesser goes off the edge:

California congressman vapes for your right to puff on planes

Vapes in committee:

vine.co

The only reason he’s in Congress is that he inherited that seat from his father.

Ummm. I agree with him. Probably the only thing I agree with him on.

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majii  Feb 11, 2016 • 1:36:01pm

re: #319 ObserverArt

I would advise Sanders to be careful about what he says. If he were realistic about the “leadership gap,” he’d admit that GOP/TPers never intended to work with this president on any issue. He’d also admit that the GOP/TPers have intentionally lied about almost everything the president has said/done and have played the race card endlessly to portray him as “the enemy” of the entire world. He’s alienating a lot of Obama supporters by saying things like this, many of them Black Americans, myself included. Teaming up with Rev. Al won’t help him, if he keeps making comments of this sort. Another thing he doesn’t seem to be aware of is that not all of us hold Rev. Al as someone we admire and will listen to when it comes to voting for certain politicians. At this point, I’ve not aligned myself with Clinton or Sanders because I’m watching and taking notes and plan to base my vote on which one I think can win in November. I’ll vote for the dem candidate then, whether it’s Clinton or Sanders at that time because I can’t see myself voting for any GOP/TPer.

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Ubiq  Feb 11, 2016 • 3:00:51pm

re: #326 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ummm. I agree with him. Probably the only thing I agree with him on.

Until such time that they stop making and vaping flavors such as ‘Cotton Candy’ that smells like a candy factory that was routed through a baboon’s sphincter, please, for the love of god, no.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 3:01:38pm

re: #328 Ubiq

Until such time that they stop making and vaping flavors such as ‘Cotton Candy’ that smells like a candy factory that was routed through a baboon’s sphincter, please, for the love of god, no.

Welcome hatchling! I like your way with words. :) Feel free to come upstairs!

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Ubiq  Feb 11, 2016 • 3:39:20pm

re: #329 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Welcome hatchling! I like your way with words. :) Feel free to come upstairs!

Sure! Only I have no idea what that means!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 11, 2016 • 3:41:46pm

re: #330 Ubiq

Sure! Only I have no idea what that means!

The conversation tends to move from thread to thread, with the active one being the current top article. We often refer to that as upstairs, and the threads down below as downstairs. :)


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