Thursday Jam: Snarky Puppy With David Crosby, “Somebody Home”

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A gorgeous new track from the latest Snarky Puppy release features a new song by the great David Crosby.

“Somebody Home”
featuring David Crosby
from Snarky Puppy’s live DVD/CD - “Family Dinner - Volume Two”
©GroundUP Music 2016

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written by David Crosby
produced by Michael League
arranged by Michael League & Snarky Puppy
recorded and filmed at Esplanade Studios in New Orleans, LA, February 12-14, 2015.

FEATURED GUEST
David Crosby - vocals & guitar

SNARKY PUPPY
Michael League - bass
Bill Laurance - piano
Cory Henry - organ
Shaun Martin - keyboards
Justin Stanton - Fender Rhodes
Bob Lanzetti - guitar
Mark Lettieri - baritone guitar
Chris McQueen - guitar
Jay Jennings - flugelhorn
Mike “Maz” Maher - flugelhorn
Chris Bullock - tenor sax
Robert “Sput” Searight - drums
Larnell Lewis - drums
Nate Werth - percussion

engineered by Eric Hartman
assisted by Matt Recchia, Andrés Daza, & Camilo Salazar
mixed by Eric Hartman, Michael League, & Nathan Forsbach
mastered by Scott Hull
directed by Andy LaViolette & Michael League

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389 comments
1
WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:48:14pm

Repeat from downstairs.

Seriously, is this real?

Trump swearing up a storm

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:51:52pm

re: #1 WhatEVs

Repeat from downstairs.

Seriously, is this real?

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Video

No idea.

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WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:52:05pm

re: #1 WhatEVs

Why yes, it’s true. He’s apparently dropping F bombs at all his campaign events lately.

I’m speechless. And I swear like a drunken sailor on leave.

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WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:53:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:54:45pm

re: #3 WhatEVs

Why yes, it’s true. He’s apparently dropping F bombs at all his campaign events lately.

I’m speechless. And I swear like a drunken sailor on leave.

I do too. Honestly for someone whose whole schtick is that he’s “genuine”, so much of what Trump does seems scripted to impress the yahoos in the GOP primary.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:55:20pm

Devastated.

Just tuned into the end of Inside the Actors Studio with The Walking Dead cast.

Sure there will be repeats. wah

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WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:56:04pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

I’m sorry. :-(

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:56:34pm

re: #4 WhatEVs

google.ca

Wonder why the media doesn’t report? hahaha

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WhatEVs  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:59:05pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

Wonder why the media doesn’t report? hahaha

I thought Trump went quiet. Now I know why he’s not on 24/7. Can’t play the MBF/serious horse race game when one candidate has no business running let alone propping him up.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:59:12pm

re: #3 WhatEVs

Why yes, it’s true. He’s apparently dropping F bombs at all his campaign events lately.

I’m speechless. And I swear like a drunken sailor on leave.

Is it wrong that I want him to slip and drop an F-bomb on live TV during a debate?

I come from a long line of swearers, and I’m pretty much never offended by it. I probably wouldn’t be offended by it if Trump did it on TV. But damn, I would love to see the reaction. Because if we’ve learned anything in the last 15 years, it’s that it’s not the act that matters, it’s the reaction that matters.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 8:59:28pm

re: #1 WhatEVs

GOP focus group describes Donald Trump as ‘inevitable’
“…The focus group, conducted by Bloomberg Politics and the firm Purple Strategies, gave evidence of some of Trump’s potential weaknesses in Southern states. The nominating contest will shift heavily there in the coming weeks, with South Carolina voting February 20 and many of the so-called SEC primary states voting March 1.

The voters in the focus group shared concerns about Trump’s religiosity and his supposed crassness.”
businessinsider.com

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:01:09pm

re: #10 KGxvi

On second thought, we’d probably never know about it because of the Janet Jackson Nipple Memorial Delay now in effect on live events.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:01:39pm

re: #11 jaunte

It’s crazy to think but Trump is definitely the favorite right now. From Abraham Lincoln to this guy.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:11:30pm

Have I mentioned that in my increasingly curmudgeonly old age how disillusioned I am of the American intellectual establishment?

You know, those folk who run The Atlantic, The New Yorker, the ones who show up at PBS donor parties, etc.

Cultural-change fatigue isn’t just a phenomenon of the hicks down in Dixie.

I only caught the last quarter of the debate tonight, but I really couldn’t tell if the questions were from Fox or not.

Really, why? Why is there abandonment of taking the pole position in the cultural dialogue of this country?

I really didn’t like how both Bernie and Hillary just bent with the foreign policy questions as they were offered up.

The projection of control is of course well known. It is why, for instance, in that famous scene of Ronald Reagan telling GHWB that he (Reagan) had bought that mic and that he (Reagan) was in control, Reagan was projecting clearly that he was the leader.

Leaders take control.

It’s one reason why people are drawn to Trump - he takes control.

It’s why the right-wing continues, years later, to sneer at Obama’s statement of “leading from behind” (as they understood his statement.)

It clear that Bernie would love to make the political agenda in 2016 about “Wall Street”, but the real problem with that is we are now far from the crash of 2008 and the trigger phrase “Wall Street” only works on a small set of the electorate.

I know that “the 1%” is supposed to be a trigger phrase that will get people excited to vote… but I having hard accepting that is effective. I just don’t hear that phrase when I walk around, or in my tiny circle of friends/relatives on Facebook.

It’s hard to break through apathy. Trump in his over-the-top style is doing better than others, I think. Bernie can reach a dedicated crowd but I think his followers are mistaken if they have even reached half the momentum that Obama had at this stage.

Bernie Sanders is no Barack Obama.

The Democrats have to figure out how to set the national agenda on all these “debates”, talking-head shows, etc.

Even television in America, if it has any noticeable pattern, is obsessed with cop shows on the one hand, and escapist fantasies (witches, zombies…). I don’t know what that is telling us, but I wonder just what my fellow Americans think of reality.

Our entertainment industry led the fight for gay rights. It certainly wasn’t the Democratic leadership (note how slowly both Clinton and Obama came around on gay marriage.)

If the Democrats can’t take control of the talking points in their own “debates” then they will be very ineffectual in addressing all the deep problems we have, and will instead be drawn into the never ending fear mongering from the war caucus.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:17:31pm

re: #14 freetoken

LGF Sage.

On point.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:18:42pm

David Crosby:

“First of all the song … ‘Somebody Home’ … the title is a phrase I have been using for years, meaning there is a human soul, an aware intelligence, present in a person. When you look in their eyes you get the sense there is someone home there looking back at you. There is a mistake that people make, men particularly, about only seeing the physical woman and not seeing or getting to know the human inside. Our whole society is tilted that way … surface over substance. We mistake the wrapping paper for the real gift which is inside the wrapping. We celebrate the looks and miss the soul and heart where the real, lasting beauty lives. So, in a way, I am trying to apologize to all women on behalf of all us men.

“Secondly … when I was wandering around YouTube looking for music I had not heard yet, I ran into the band Snarky Puppy and loved them immediately. Fine players having a blast playing intelligent, beautifully written compositions that swung hard. I started tweeting about them … ‘OK here’s your Snarky Puppy song of the day’ or ‘Time to get Snarked again’ … and I’d rant about how good they are.

rollingstone.com

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:21:25pm

re: #1 WhatEVs

This is an old tactic. Prager was expressing concern over Trump’s language some time back:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

The date on that is 2011, but I suspect the comments just say from 5 months ago because NRO re-presented it at that time.

This video is from 2011:

CNN: Donald Trump’s profanity tirade, drops the “f-bomb’

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:22:53pm

BTW, that video ought to put to rest those who cry “RINO” as Trump was considering this run for a long time.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:24:26pm
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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:24:30pm

re: #14 freetoken

And as I mentioned downstairs, neither Sanders or Clinton will accomplish anything as president but to use the veto pen as a weapon. The apathy of 2010 has destroyed any hope for progress for a generation by allowing the GOFascists to gerrymander control of the house.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:26:04pm

So I missed out on the last few minutes of the debate due to the drive home, but I also had time to contemplate Bernie’s response to the whole race relations question. And I gotta agree with Frank, this sounds like a very condescending view of race relations, the idea that the problem is that there are so many black kids out there on the streets. It’s actually a very conservative belief, this preaching to minority families that their problems stem not from institutional racism, but because they’re just not rich enough.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:27:08pm

re: #20 William Lewis

If all they do is prevent more Supreme Court justices like Scalia, Alito or Thomas, that would be great.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:29:45pm

If Trump keeps cursing, the networks might have to stop carrying him.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:29:59pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

the idea that the problem is that there are so many black kids out there on the streets

A Democratic candidate for President furthering the idea that the very presence of black kids is an aggravating factor in race relations is a huge problem.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:31:58pm

re: #24 jaunte

If Sanders was really going to do the socialist schtick, he ought to have talked about systemic biases in a society against minority groups in said society, by the majority and the power structure.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:32:08pm

“Hello police? There’s a black kid in the park pointing a gun. It’s probably a toy, but he scares me!”

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:32:39pm

Just got on the internet for the first time today.

Nobody died violently near Burns, OR. Just goes to show what cowards these men are. The only one who had the courage of his convictions almost killed a few Oregon State Troopers and FBI agents and was going to shoot them when he got out of his crashed truck. He’s dead now.

Now how will this event embolden the snake heads out there, I wonder?

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:37:07pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:37:30pm

re: #26 jaunte

“Hello police? There’s a black kid in the park pointing a gun. It’s probably a toy, but he scares me!”

But all these black people are supporting Bernie full force. (shaun king - I tweeted my disgust to him for his diss of John Lewis. Belafonte. etc.)

Their response to the kids on the street corner? Can’t wait.

Actually, in reality I think they are just coming out against Hillary. For reasons bizarre. But they are strong in their hate against her.

How she conjures up so much disdain. I wonder.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:39:00pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Actually, in reality I think they are just coming out against Hillary. For reasons bizarre. But they are strong in their hate against her.

How she conjures up so much disdain. I wonder.

It’s because she’s a powerful woman, and that scares some men regardless of political persuasion.

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freetoken  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:39:27pm

Reminder: My Ted Cruz poll is still open:

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:39:45pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

It’s because she’s a powerful woman, and that scares some men regardless of political persuasion.

Yep.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:40:00pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:40:18pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

She’s been in a position to have to compromise so many times (vs. Bernie, who has had the luxury of remaining pure and unchallenged), it’s not surprising a lot of people don’t like her.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:41:51pm

re: #34 jaunte

The Real World.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:42:49pm

Christopher Hitchens was a brilliant writer. He had his faults and his neo-con days after 9/11 really pissed me off.

When he was sick, he talked only about religion. Somewhere in those talks and writings, he eloquently argued that in order to lift the floor for every human being there is only one thing you have to do - empower women.

That thought has stuck with me for almost a decade and I couldn’t agree more.

What that empowerment is and how we implement it is one of the challenges of our time.

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:48:41pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

You wanna run for President?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:49:46pm

re: #34 jaunte

She’s been in a position to have to compromise so many times (vs. Bernie, who has had the luxury of remaining pure and unchallenged), it’s not surprising a lot of people don’t like her.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:50:03pm

Breitbart “News” is not in the tank at all for The Donald™. You’re a fool and a liar if you say so.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:50:55pm

re: #37 retired cynic

You wanna run for President?

Me? Run for president?!?

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:53:30pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

It sounds like a good start for a platform to me!

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retired cynic  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:53:43pm

(And not a milking platform!)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:54:46pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:58:09pm

Samantha Bee killed it! That was some funny shit!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:59:08pm

re: #11 jaunte

I know he’s a mothertucking new yorker, how the fuck did they expect his to fucking say it.

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2016 • 9:59:12pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

So I missed out on the last few minutes of the debate due to the drive home, but I also had time to contemplate Bernie’s response to the whole race relations question. And I gotta agree with Frank, this sounds like a very condescending view of race relations, the idea that the problem is that there are so many black kids out there on the streets. It’s actually a very conservative belief, this preaching to minority families that their problems stem not from institutional racism, but because they’re just not rich enough.

Sanders could perhaps turn this around, in part, by starting to ask pointed questions about just how much capital growth in the US over the centuries depended on the stolen labor of slaves. But that line of thought leads more or less directly to questions about reparations, which would be a political kiss of death.

The first obligation of a (D) POTUS candidate is to have a reasonable shot in the general election. It is unacceptable to materially increase the risk of a GOP win there.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:00:01pm

Beach Dem! I knew it. Man Bun Phillip.

Good riddance!

Just realized this is season 13. My dog. How time flies. I watched the first.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:05:08pm

re: #37 retired cynic

You wanna run for President?

I think I’d like being president, but running for president? That’d be my own personal ring of hell.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:06:30pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

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Stanley Sea  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:08:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:25:11pm

I assure you, it’s not the existence of poor kids on street corners that is responsible for racism in this Country.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:27:01pm

This is a *guitarist* for Umphrey’s McGee.

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:29:53pm

Ain’t some of those guys grandpas?!?

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:45:42pm

Anyone with Netflix, I highly recommend you watch “Tucker and Dale Vs Evil”, funny as hell.

Tucker And Dale Vs Evil - Bee Chainsaw Scene

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:49:19pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

Also, in case it needs to be said, Bernie’s economic response to the race relations question is crafted that way for a reason.

Sander’s is basically riding the same wave of predominately white angsty supporters who are angry at and feel disenfranchised by the government and the “powers that be.” The key difference between the two is that Sander’s supporters trend younger and would never tolerate overt racism whereas Trump’s supporters revel in his overt scapegoating of minorities. However there is a lot of overlap in support for the two men, among blue collar middle age whites who can go either way. When it comes to race they’re on the fence to a certain degree, and while they may not necessarily like some of Trump’s more outrageous statements they do have harbor some private antipathy towards blacks, latinos and muslims.

As far as supporting Sanders goes these more borderline voters are very much in play, as long as they don’t feel he’s blaming them for systemic racism. The last thing Bernie wants to do is blame our society’s predominately white power structure, and thus we see stuff like this, where the problem can be viewed as disadvantaged kids on street corners, which is a well understood coded trope for black youth. Therefore even though he’s been criticized many times for a message that comes at best off as a single minded one-size-fits-all economic panacea, he sticks with it because it plays well to these same crossover independent voters whose anger seems very much to be in force this year politically.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:51:57pm
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TedStriker  Feb 11, 2016 • 10:52:21pm

For anyone that’s into action films and first-person shooters, someone’s found a way to combine the two…and it looks fucking awesome:

Hardcore Henry | Official Trailer | STX Entertainment

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Kragar  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:09:38pm
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gwangung  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:19:23pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Also, in case it needs to be said, Bernie’s economic response to the race relations question is crafted that way for a reason.

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Sander’s is basically riding the same wave of predominately white angsty supporters who are angry at and feel disenfranchised by the government and the “powers that be.” The key difference between the two is that Sander’s supporters trend younger and would never tolerate overt racism whereas Trump’s supporters revel in his overt scapegoating of minorities. However there is a lot of overlap in support for the two men, among blue collar middle age whites who can go either way. When it comes to race they’re on the fence to a certain degree, and while they may not necessarily like some of Trump’s more outrageous statements they do have harbor some private antipathy towards blacks, latinos and muslims.

As far as supporting Sanders goes these more borderline voters are very much in play, as long as they don’t feel he’s blaming them for systemic racism. The last thing Bernie wants to do is blame our society’s predominately white power structure, and thus we see stuff like this, where the problem can be viewed as disadvantaged kids on street corners, which is a well understood coded trope for black youth. Therefore even though he’s been criticized many times for a message that comes at best off as a single minded one-size-fits-all economic panacea, he sticks with it because it plays well to these same crossover independent voters whose anger seems very much to be in force this year politically.

So basically, chasing whites over blacks.

And he’s not a good enough leader to do this without being able to reassure the core of the Democratic party; i.e. blacks, minorities and liberal whites.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:53:46pm

re: #59 gwangung

So basically, chasing whites over blacks.

And he’s not a good enough leader to do this without being able to reassure the core of the Democratic party; i.e. blacks, minorities and liberal whites.

I’d phrase it as trying to chase a vote that is predominately white, but yes he’s playing a strategically dangerous game. He and Trump obviously have huge differences and so it might be more than a bit unfair for me to dwell too much on their demographic overlap. For one thing Bernie is running a very idealistic campaign, whereas Trump is running a cynical, scapegoating, hateful one where the only hope for the future lies in his strong man autocratic promise to commit war crimes and ethnic cleansing.

We’ll have a much better view of things after Super Tuesday, whether this is a viable primary path for Sanders or not. If it is and he wins the nomination I’ll have no qualms whatsoever about voting for him in November.

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William Lewis  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:54:47pm

More likely that Sanders fixation on economics is simply the idea that it’s what he knows best. “When all you have is a hammer…” shtick where economic policy ideas are his hammer. He’d make a far better labor or treasury secretary than president (And sidestepping Congress might get more done) as I’ve said all along but that hardly justifies the accusations of tacit racism I’m seeing here.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar just like sometimes a person only really knows one subject well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2016 • 11:59:54pm

re: #61 William Lewis

More likely that Sanders fixation on economics is simply the idea that it’s what he knows best. “When all you have is a hammer…” shtick where economic policy ideas are his hammer. He’d make a far better labor or treasury secretary than president (And sidestepping Congress might get more done) as I’ve said all along but that hardly justifies the accusations of tacit racism I’m seeing here.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar just like sometimes a person only really knows one subject well.

When all you have is a hammer and sickle, everything looks like Class Struggle.
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William Lewis  Feb 12, 2016 • 12:06:20am

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

When all you have is a hammer and sickle, everything looks like Class Struggle.
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Yeah, actually. Alas Bernie really isn’t an old school enough socialist to pull that off. Now the red diaper babies I knew in Madison… LOL!

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Sophist: Domo Arigato, Marco Ruboto  Feb 12, 2016 • 1:14:17am

re: #58 Kragar

Militants warn authorities about booby traps left behind at Oregon reserve.

Because that’s what law abiding citizens involved in a peaceful protest do. Don’t you remember reading about all the IEDs that got left behind after the Woolworths lunch counter sit-ins in history class?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 2:29:45am

re: #64 Sophist: Domo Arigato, Marco Ruboto

Because that’s what law abiding citizens involved in a peaceful protest do. Don’t you remember reading about all the IEDs that got left behind after the Woolworths lunch counter sit-ins in history class?

And all the landmines left behind by Occupy Wall Street protesters?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 12, 2016 • 3:04:20am
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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:06:27am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:17:21am

This “peaceful protest” consisted of firearms, booby traps, driving through road blocks, and death threats against law enforcement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:22:33am

re: #68 Dr. Matt

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This “peaceful protest” consisted of firearms, booby traps, driving through road blocks, and death threats against law enforcement.

remember:

domestic terror organization = militia
armed threats to authorities = peaceful protest
suicide by cop = martyrdom at the hands of police
ignoring the law = exercising Constitutional rights

And this perverse language of talking points is taken up without question by a majority of sources reporting on it…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:32:07am

‘Morning, all. Our overnight low was 55 degrees.

Not going to pay any significant attention to Democrats doing the Republicans’ work for them. Extending this series of debates was idiotic.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:36:20am

Attention whore:

So this beautiful white gyrfalcon keeps returning to sit in front of the same live camera. No one knows why….

Posted by FOX 13 News - Tampa Bay on Thursday, February 11, 2016
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:37:48am

He knows how to play the rubes like a fine violin

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:39:50am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

He knows how to play the rubes like a fine violin

This reinforces my theory that he garners most of his support from people who are fed up with government and established political parties. As long as someone speaks from the position of a critical outsider, they will approve, regardless of the content.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:42:11am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

His sheeple are “fed up with government” so they want to elect someone that has zero experience running one. Yeah, well played, assholes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:45:36am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

His sheeple are “fed up with government” so they want to elect someone that has zero experience running one. Yeah, well played, assholes.

They have bought into the sound bite that YOU CAN RUN GUBMIT LIKE A BIDNESS!!!11!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:47:20am

re: #71 Dr. Matt

Attention whore:

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Birds learn how to exploit humans. The big recreational outlet at our HS was running a bird banding station. We used mist nets and baited traps to do catch-and-release. During the winter months some birds became adept at going into the traps for corn and waiting to be recorded and released for the day. Two cardinals did it so often that I still remember the last 3 digits of their bands—069 and 071.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:50:19am

re: #74 Dr. Matt

His sheeple are “fed up with government” so they want to elect someone that has zero experience running one. Yeah, well played, assholes.

Yes, they want a strong personality who will “get things done”.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:51:10am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, they want a strong personality who will “get things done”.

White horse optional.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:53:41am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

White horse optional.

clean vest irrelevant

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 4:54:46am

re: #78 Dr. Matt

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Except for letting Fiore and Co grab a boost, this episode went about as destructively as it could for the patriot RWNJs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:01:17am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Birds learn how to exploit humans. The big recreational outlet at our HS was running a bird banding station. We used mist nets and baited traps to do catch-and-release. During the winter months some birds became adept at going into the traps for corn and waiting to be recorded and released for the day. Two cardinals did it so often that I still remember the last 3 digits of their bands—069 and 071.

Turns out birds aren’t such birdbrains after all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:01:57am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Except for letting Fiore and Co grab a boost, this episode went about as destructively as it could for the patriot RWNJs.

It only boosted Fiore among believers, but the authorities’ policy of non-escalation really paid off. They just gave the fellows enough rope and they conveniently hog-tied themselves with it.

Problem is, we cannot count on the next batch of armed occupiers to be as clueless, bumbling or ill-prepared.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:04:15am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It only boosted Fiore among believers, but the authorities’ policy of non-escalation really paid off. They just gave the fellows enough rope and they conveniently hog-tied themselves with it.

Problem is, we cannot count on the next batch of armed occupiers to be as clueless, bumbling or ill-prepared.

Got to find ways other than FedEx to deliver the dildos.

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Nojay UK  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:05:31am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

Got to find ways other than FedEx to deliver the dildos.

Dronezzzz?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:07:34am

re: #85 Nojay UK

Dronezzzz?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:10:34am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

Got to find ways other than FedEx to deliver the dildos.

Snowy owl mail

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:11:01am

My TL is a shitshow. It’s difficult to tell the difference between RWNJs and Bernie supporters now.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:14:09am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Snowy owl mail

Snack-baited airdrop cylinders.

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:22:10am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

-21 In Saranac Lake NY, -1 at my house.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:22:41am

re: #90 Kent Dorfman

-21 In Saranac Lake NY, -1 at my house.

You’ll enjoy August more than we do.

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:25:32am

Thank you to whomever invented flannel, flannel sheets, flannel lined Carhartts, flannel shirts, flannel panties, I am warm!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:27:45am

re: #92 Kent Dorfman

Thank you to whomever invented flannel, flannel sheets, flannel lined Carhartts, flannel shirts, flannel panties, I am warm!

According to Wikipedia, you can probably thank the Welsh:
“…The origin of the word is uncertain, but a Welsh origin has been suggested as fabric similar to flannel can be traced back to Wales, where it was well known as early as the 16th century. The French term flanelle was used in the late 17th century, and the German Flanell was used in the early 18th century…”

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:30:12am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Google is my friend :)

Flannel

The use of flannel plaid shirts was at peak in the 1990s with popular grunge bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam using them as one of the trademarks of their shaggy look.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:32:12am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

He knows how to play the rubes like a fine violin

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:32:42am

re: #94 Kent Dorfman

Google is my friend :)

Flannel

I had trendy friends who used to make fun of my “outdated” look in the 80’s, so I cut my hair short and lost most of my bell-bottom jeans and flannel shirts only to see them come back in the 90’s.

Since then I have learned: to thine own fashion sense be true.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:33:12am

Flannel—->lumberjacks—->Mounties—->Monty Python.

A fashion ruined forever.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:41:11am

re: #20 William Lewis

And as I mentioned downstairs, neither Sanders or Clinton will accomplish anything as president but to use the veto pen as a weapon. The apathy of 2010 has destroyed any hope for progress for a generation by allowing the GOFascists to gerrymander control of the house.

I disagree, the President has been demonstrating all that can be accomplished through executive action.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:42:31am

re: #20 William Lewis

And as I mentioned downstairs, neither Sanders or Clinton will accomplish anything as president but to use the veto pen as a weapon. The apathy of 2010 has destroyed any hope for progress for a generation by allowing the GOFascists to gerrymander control of the house.

apathy + gerrymandering = Congressional GOP majority despite an overall Democratic voter majority.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:42:58am

re: #31 freetoken

Reminder: My Ted Cruz poll is still open:

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You left off all of the above.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:44:02am

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

You left off all of the above.

and “everything you find under a rock”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:47:52am

re: #46 EPR-radar

Sanders could perhaps turn this around, in part, by starting to ask pointed questions about just how much capital growth in the US over the centuries depended on the stolen labor of slaves. But that line of thought leads more or less directly to questions about reparations, which would be a political kiss of death.

The first obligation of a (D) POTUS candidate is to have a reasonable shot in the general election. It is unacceptable to materially increase the risk of a GOP win there.

The way to provide reparations can’t be raced base. There should be redistribution of wealth to low income people through a universal basic income, eliminating US poverty in one stroke. By helping everyone you also help African-Americans without stirring up more racial resentment.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:53:45am

re: #58 Kragar

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Just campers, yep.

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:54:12am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Disco Stu!
Disco Stu!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:54:24am

re: #103 Big Beautiful Door

Just campers, yep.

I always set bear traps around my campsites…

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Tigger2  Feb 12, 2016 • 5:59:38am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I always set bear traps around my campsites…

I always set out a couple pipe bombs in case a bigfoot decides to attack.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:00:03am

re: #58 Kragar

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:00:39am

re: #54 Kragar

Such a fun little movie, even for people who hate horror films.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:03:25am

In the focus on the localized refuge drama, this might have gone with little notice.

7 more named in new indictment linked to Oregon refuge occupation

oregonlive.com

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:04:45am

I’m only posting this because I thought this was funny. from the NY post

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were essentially auditioning last night for the role of Snake Plissken. Do you remember Snake Plissken? He was the eyepatch-wearing hero of “Escape from New York,” the 1981 science-fiction picture in which Manhattan has become a prison and Snake Plissken is the only guy who can find the way out.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:06:15am

I’m frankly amused at the reaction to Kissinger and foreign policy discussion.

Kissinger ascribed to a particular worldview theory - realpolitik. Whatever it took to maintain American hegemony was acceptable, even if the actions were morally or ethically reprehensible and it resulted in toppled regimes and a huge body count.

But the discussion over what the candidates’ actual worldview and policy prescription is one that is sorely needed.

I know we’re not going to get into that level of detail - this is American politics after all, and no one cares about Metternich or Tallyrand, yet their actions have ramifications throughout all of foreign policy and international affairs. So too does Dulles, Kissinger, and theorists like Waltz.

How you view the world is a lens through which we can understand what candidates are or are not willing to do. Clinton seems to understand the nuance, having been in the position of Sec. State, but that leads to potentially uncomfortable outcomes. Bernie? I think there’s a certain amount of naivete. Doesn’t mean he can’t get through that, but if everything is seen through the prism of Wall Street, then it looks like he’s missing the big picture, and a President has to see things through both the micro and macro lens - both on foreign and domestic issues.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:07:35am

how r you?

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:16:17am

re: #111 lawhawk

Nothing like mentioning Tallyrand or Metternich in the morning to kill the thread.

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bratwurst  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:18:27am

DEVELOPING…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:19:38am

re: #114 bratwurst

DEVELOPING…

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You just have to laugh at that.

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Nojay UK  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:19:47am

re: #113 lawhawk

Nothing like mentioning Tallyrand or Metternich in the morning to kill the thread.

Or Tamerlane. Now there was a guy who understood foreign policy…

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:21:57am

re: #107 lawhawk

You mean domestic terrorists worry that their booby traps might lead to homicide charges.

But meanwhile by hoping to avoid homicide charges they have now confessed to setting booby traps. And because this whole occupation is a conspiracy, even the people taken into custody earlier could be held accountable for this additional offence, right?

When they moved out of the buildings and started living in the tents I wondered if they had booby trapped them.

Armed protesters who ended their 41-day standoff on Thursday at a wildlife refuge in Oregon told federal authorities they left behind booby traps but did not say whether the trip wires and other devices would trigger explosions, a law enforcement official told Reuters.

“They spoke to us about booby traps. We don’t know how sophisticated or what kind,” said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:27:03am

Another argument for why improving the economy won’t solve racism: the 1950s. After WW2, a 90% upper marginal tax rate, and strong labor unions, the American middle class was huge. And what happened when blacks decided they should be part of that? It took the National Guard just to get one black girl into school; a president, his brother, and a major civil rights leader were assassinated, along with a lot of others. And whites have let it fall apart just to keep minorities from having access to the same things.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:27:38am

Erasing Franco’s memory one street at a time

Just a few years ago it would have been utterly inconceivable that an anarchist would be honoured by having his name given to a street in the capital. But two weeks ago Madrid City Council agreed unanimously to name a street after a man known as the Red Angel, Melchor Rodriguez Garcia.

Precisely which street will be named after Rodriguez has yet to be decided but it will be one of a number with Franco-era associations, including Caudillo Square, named after “the Chief” himself, and others commemorating infamous Franco generals.

A total of 35 street names will be changed by the end of next year to give a new “pluralistic, democratic and diverse” face to the city. The replacement names will include more women - who Madrid’s culture councillor has said are almost invisible on the street map - and victims of terror.

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William Lewis  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:28:48am

re: #110 Kent Dorfman

I’m only posting this because I thought this was funny. from the NY post

I thought he was dead…

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:29:06am

re: #117 KerFuFFler

Yeah, none of these Bundy nuts were particularly bright. Their actions have consequences - and what will end up being very lengthy occupations of cells in federal prison.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:31:04am

re: #120 William Lewis

I thought he was dead…

Yeah. You and everybody else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:31:31am

re: #118 Belafon

Another argument for why improving the economy won’t solve racism: the 1950s. After WW2, a 90% upper marginal tax rate, and strong labor unions, the American middle class was huge. And what happened when blacks decided they should be part of that? It took the National Guard just to get one black girl into school; a president, his brother, and a major civil rights leader were assassinated, along with a lot of others. And whites have let it fall apart just to keep minorities from having access to the same things.

Obama could have been a major poster child for the Right Wing version of the American Dream: living proof that anyone, regardless of race, could aspire to even the nation’s highest office if they worked hard enough at it.

But that would have involved praising Obama’s accomplishments, even indirectly, and not branding him an affirmative action backslider. And it might have indicated that they really meant it when they said anyone.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:33:04am

Tiger Kitty!

http://www.zooborns.com/zooborns/2016/02/jacksonville-zoo-set-to-debut-sumatran-tiger-cub.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ZooBorns+%28ZooBorns%29
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Timothy Watson  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:33:14am

re: #119 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Erasing Franco’s memory one street at a time

They’re making better progress in Spain than Virginia, where one of our main state routes is still Jefferson Davis Highway.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:36:05am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:36:18am

re: #125 Timothy Watson

They’re making better progress in Spain than Virginia, where one of our main state routes is still Jefferson Davis Highway.

They’ll get around to it; its only been 151 years, after all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:36:20am

re: #125 Timothy Watson

They’re making better progress in Spain than Virginia, where one of our main state routes is still Jefferson Davis Highway.

Despite the loss devastation and occupation of its territory for decades, it was a good thing for Germany that Nazism was totally defeated and politically eradicated. I believe that they have done an admirable jobs with coming to grips with their history.

Spain did not have to go through that process with its own fascist past and it has taken generations for them to come to grips with it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:37:45am

fascism is an economic system -yes?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:38:42am

re: #129 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

fascism is an economic system -yes?

It cannot function without the support and complicity of banking and industry.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:39:08am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It cannot function without the support and complicity of banking and industry.

can any economic system?

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:39:21am

I was just reading John Cole’s post about the debate last night, and he mentioned something that I’ve seen others say and I think it’s funny: that he’s ready for the debates and town halls to be over. Remember how everyone was complaining about DWS scheduling too few debates? Now that we’re having more, suddenly people are tired of them. In part, it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I do get the impression that the more debates people had a huge overlap with the Sanders people, and they’re not helping him as much as his fans thought.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:40:05am

re: #132 Belafon

I was just reading John Cole’s post about the debate last night, and he mentioned something that I’ve seen others say and I think it’s funny: that he’s ready for the debates and town halls to be over. Remember how everyone was complaining about DWS scheduling too few debates? Now that we’re having more, suddenly people are tired of them. In part, it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I do get the impression that the more debates people had a huge overlap with the Sanders people, and they’re not helping him as much as his fans thought.

some people are making a lot of money —tho … .

:0

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:40:26am

re: #113 lawhawk

Nothing like mentioning Tallyrand or Metternich in the morning to kill the thread.

Mom told me I’d metternich play with my tallyrand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:41:10am

re: #131 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

can any economic system?

A totalitarian political system needs total control over the individual. This can only really be accomplished when the government can use banking, industry and other civic institutions as tools to exert pressure to keep people in line.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:44:32am

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

You left off all of the above.

Sadly, Twitter limited me to just 4 choices.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:46:08am

New Buzzword: Romantic Paternalism

This Court has acknowledged that such past womanspecific laws were “rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women, not on a
pedestal, but in a cage.” Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677, 684 (1973). Because these laws were typically based on gender stereotypes and had the effect of limiting women’s
liberty and autonomy and treating women as inferior citizens, they have been struck down as unconstitutional sex discrimination.2

from the Amicus Curiae mentioned in this Pages Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:47:05am

re: #137 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

New Buzzword: Romantic Paternalism

from the Amicus Curiae mentioned in this Pages Post

Women as chattels. Gonna take generations to shrug off that cultural atavism.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:47:09am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A totalitarian political system needs total control over the individual. This can only really be accomplished when the government can use banking, industry and other civic institutions as tools to exert pressure to keep people in line.

Well, there is de jure and there is de facto control …

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Great White Snark  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:47:26am

Mavericks is ON.

titansofmavericks.com

So wish I could be there.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:47:34am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Women as chattels. Gonna take generations to shrug off that cultural atavism.

I think enough generations have past …

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:50:28am
Our Nation has had a long and unfortunate history of sex discrimination, rationalized by an attitude of ‘romantic paternalism’ which, in practical effect, put women, not on a pedestal, but in a cage.

Justice William J. Brennan Jr - Writing for the court, Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677 (1973).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:52:29am

re: #139 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Well, there is de jure and there is de facto control …

The trick is to use the legal system only as a last resort. There are many ways of keeping people in line, like a credit rating…

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:53:30am

Funny:

Ted Cruz Pulls Rubio Attack Ad Featuring Ex-Softcore Porn Actress Amy Lindsay

Ted Cruz’s campaign has yanked an attack ad against rival Republican contender Marco Rubio after it was revealed that it featured a former softcore porn actress.

Cruz’s campaign said in a statement to NBC News on Thursday that it was swapping the commercial with a new one after learning about actress Amy Lindsay’s background:

“The actress responded to an open casting call. She passed her audition and got the job. Unfortunately, she was not vetted by the casting company. Had the campaign known of her full filmography, we obviously would not have let her appear in the ad. The campaign is taking the ad down and will replace it with a different commercial.”

Lindsay has said she’s a supporter of Cruz’s conservative Christian values. Cruz, meanwhile, is trying to stake his campaign in the upcoming South Carolina primary by winning the evangelical vote. […]

Irony.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:55:13am

Sadly Columbus made some national news overnight.

NBC4i - Four injured in restaurant machete attack, suspect killed by police

COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — Several people are injured and the suspect is dead after a machete attack at a restaurant in northeast Columbus on Thursday.

Four people were taken to the hospital with injuries, including one person who was taken to Grant Medical Center in life-threatening condition. The person had surgery and has been downgraded to stable condition, Columbus Police said.

This happened at the Nazareth Restaurant and Deli, which is in a shopping center on North Hamilton Road.

Overnight, FBI agents were seen at a northeast Columbus apartment removing bins of evidence from one of the units.

The FBI confirmed it is assisting Columbus Police, according to spokesperson Todd Lindgren. The FBI would not, however, confirm the connection of the apartment scene to the attack.

Sgt. Rich Weiner said the suspect was in the restaurant, speaking with an employee, less than an hour before the attack. He said police are not releasing the suspect’s name or age at this time.

Weiner said there seemed to be “no rhyme or reason” to the attack. Weiner said the suspect walked into Nazareth around 6 p.m. Thursday and “immediately” began swinging a machete at customers and employees. Weiner said two people got up and ran outside to call 911, and said one person got into a physical contact with the attacker.

Weiner said patrons and employees began throwing chairs at the suspect. The suspect then walked out and got into a white car. Weiner said victims and employees gave a good description of the vehicle and even took some video to help officers find the suspect.

A special duty officer at Easton Town Center saw the suspect’s vehicle and told other police the suspect’s location. The CPD helicopter and several patrol cars began pursuing the suspect’s car. Weiner said that after a chase, police were able to maneuver the suspect off the road, and surrounded his vehicle on Stelzer Road.

Weiner said the suspect attempted to get out of the passenger side of the vehicle, and an officer Tased him with no effect. Weiner said the suspect then got out of the vehicle with a machete and a knife in his hand and lunged across the hood of the car at police. An officer fired two shots at the suspect.

At least one machete has also been recovered.

Micki Zakas works at Nazareth, and arrived at scene after it happened

“I had gotten a text about the guy with the machete, at McCutcheon and Morse Crossing which is right where I live,” she said. “Then, I came here and I’m trying to figure out what’s going on.”

Zakas said people love the restaurant and its owner.

“Everybody leaves here with a smile,” she said. “It’s a real happy place, he [the owner] has been in business for 26 years, so he’s got a great reputation around here. The restaurant’s got a great reputation.

“It scared the crap out of me, to begin with. Then, when I found out where it’s at, it’s really kind of freaking me out.”

Facebook Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 6:55:22am

re: #144 freetoken

Funny:

Ted Cruz Pulls Rubio Attack Ad Featuring Ex-Softcore Porn Actress Amy Lindsay

Lindsay has said she’s a supporter of Cruz’s conservative Christian values. Cruz, meanwhile, is trying to stake his campaign in the upcoming South Carolina primary by winning the evangelical vote. […]

Irony.

I can’t wait to hear all about Rubio’s black/Latino love child…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:01:59am

RWNJs should spend a lot of time bitching about twitter….while using twitter. If they had any balls they would boycott the platform altogether. Fucking cowards.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:02:43am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

RWNJs should spend a lot of time bitching about twitter….while using twitter. If they had any balls they would boycott the platform altogether. Fucking cowards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:03:05am

re: #118 Belafon

Another argument for why improving the economy won’t solve racism: the 1950s. After WW2, a 90% upper marginal tax rate, and strong labor unions, the American middle class was huge. And what happened when blacks decided they should be part of that? It took the National Guard just to get one black girl into school; a president, his brother, and a major civil rights leader were assassinated, along with a lot of others. And whites have let it fall apart just to keep minorities from having access to the same things.

I’ve seen the argument made here before that most whites were just fine with the New Deal and the benefits that came with it but the second that LBJ’s policies started including African-Americans and other groups into that, that’s when you saw the backlash and the beginning of the end of the New Deal Coalition. A lot of people were just fine with things like the GI Bill, public housing, etc until African-Americans started demanding that they get those benefits too and then we really started hearing about “bucks buying t-bone steaks” and that crap.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:04:05am

re: #125 Timothy Watson

They’re making better progress in Spain than Virginia, where one of our main state routes is still Jefferson Davis Highway.

And we still have tons of schools named after Lee, Jackson, and the other generals.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:04:45am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The trick is to use the legal system only as a last resort. There are many ways of keeping people in line, like a credit rating…

insurance premiums …

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:05:10am

re: #145 ObserverArt

Sadly Columbus made some national news overnight.

NBC4i - Four injured in restaurant machete attack, suspect killed by police

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MACHETE!!!

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Great White Snark  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:06:25am

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:07:01am

re: #153 Great White Snark

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He’s butthurt that Twitter took away his little blue checkmark.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:07:41am
Lindsay’s resume includes more than a dozen softcore porn titles, according to her IMDB page, including “Carnal Wishes” and “Secrets of a Chambermaid.” She also has had bit roles in more mainstream TV shows, such as “Star Trek: Voyager” and “Silk Stockings.”

According to IMDB, “Secrets of a Chambermaid” got an R rating from the MPAA:

imdb.com

So, Cruz’s campaign is now complaining because someone was in an R movie?

According to IMDB, Amy Lindsay has been in some less distributed (and no doubt worse) productions, which if put before the MPAA might have gotten an NC-17 rating, but I suspect many of them would simply have received an R.

“Carnal Wishes” appears to have been too small time to get a even a review on IMDB but comes from Cinemax with a TV-MA notice:

imdb.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:07:55am

re: #153 Great White Snark

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Right, Twitter doesn’t have to be neutral if they don’t want to be. Really if Milo doesn’t like it, he can go cry on Breitbart. For someone who belongs to an ideology that thinks businesses should be able to do whatever, he sure does throw a fit when this particular business decides to do what they want when it conflicts with his bigoted ideology.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:08:06am

bbl —can’t keep my eyes open.

Feral Girl is passed-on on the couch next to me. She looks like a really good snuggle buddy right now.

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darthstar  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:08:24am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:08:25am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

RWNJs should spend a lot of time bitching about twitter….while using twitter. If they had any balls they would boycott the platform altogether. Fucking cowards.

But then they would have to go back to standing on a street corner yelling at random people.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:11:15am

re: #159 Eventual Carrion

But then they would have to go back to standing on a street corner yelling at random people.

Andrew Breitbart Yells at Occupy Protesters

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:11:44am

More on suspicion of the Columbus attack last night might be terror related. Columbus has a fairly large Somali population and many live in this area of the city. See Somali connection in article below highlighted in bold type.

CBS News - Cops kill man after machete attack at Ohio deli

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Police shot and killed a man who stormed into a central Ohio restaurant wielding a machete and randomly attacking people as they sat unsuspectingly at their dinner tables, authorities said.

Four people were injured in the brutal attack Thursday evening at Nazareth Restaurant and Deli, a Mediterranean restaurant in Columbus. The victims were taken to an area hospital and were expected to recover.

CBS News has learned that investigators have identified the suspected attacker as Mohammad Barry. CBS News homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues reports that investigators were running down leads to try to determine if the attack was somehow tied to terrorist organizations.

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Police said the man walked into the restaurant, had a conversation with an employee and then left. He returned about a half hour later. That’s when police said he approached a man and a woman who were sitting just inside the door at a booth and started the attack.

Pegues reports the suspected attacker has a Somali background, and officials believe he may have traveled to Dubai in the United Arab Emirates in 2012. Pegues reports that law enforcement is concerned that this incident has the hallmarks of the type of so-called “lone wolf” terrorist attack that they have been working to stop.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:12:09am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Right, Twitter doesn’t have to be neutral if they don’t want to be. Really if Milo doesn’t like it, he can go cry on Breitbart. For someone who belongs to an ideology that thinks businesses should be able to do whatever, he sure does throw a fit when this particular business decides to do what they want when it conflicts with his bigoted ideology.

They say that they think businesses should be able to do whatever they want, but the they in that sentence isn’t the business or business owner it’s conservatives (and really, I hate calling these people conservatives because they’re not, they are reactionary assholes).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:12:17am

re: #160 Dr. Matt

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Get off his lawn!

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whitebeach  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:12:49am

re: #145 ObserverArt

The take from this ugly story should be that good guys with restaurant chairs can drive off a nutcase wielding a machete. If he’d had a semiautomatic firearm probably half a dozen people would be dead. But the Moron Label crowd’s instant babble will be, Hurr Hurr, so you gonna take away all the knives next? Plus why didn’t all the waiters and busboys have guns?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:13:24am

re: #160 Dr. Matt

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I think I have a friend who was there when he did that. That guy clearly was mad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:13:58am

re: #162 KGxvi

They say that they think businesses should be able to do whatever they want, but the they in that sentence isn’t the business or business owner it’s conservatives (and really, I hate calling these people conservatives because they’re not, they are reactionary assholes).

For these people, Twitter and Facebook are expected to function as some sort of public space. Totally clueless as to how business and free speech work in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:14:01am

re: #162 KGxvi

They say that they think businesses should be able to do whatever they want, but the they in that sentence isn’t the business or business owner it’s conservatives (and really, I hate calling these people conservatives because they’re not, they are reactionary assholes).

Right and look at how they react at businesses that choose to ban guns from their premises or ones that choose to be inclusive towards gays.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:14:21am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I think I have a friend who was there when he did that. That guy clearly was mad.

Breitbart exemplified RWNJ by every sense of the definition.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:14:46am

re: #161 ObserverArt

I would not be surprised of Trump makes use of this crime, in his event speeches this week.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:14:58am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For these people, Twitter and Facebook are expected to function as some sort of public space. Totally clueless as to how business and free speech work in this country.

Precisely. They think they can say whatever the hell they want with no consequence. That’s not how free speech works. If I were to call you an asshole, you’d be free to call me one back or refuse to associate with me. That’s not violating my free speech or censoring me.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:15:11am

re: #164 whitebeach

The take from this ugly story should be that good guys with restaurant chairs can drive off a nutcase wielding a machete. If he’d had a semiautomatic firearm probably half a dozen people would be dead. But the Moron Label crowd’s instant babble will be, Hurr Hurr, so you gonna take away all the knives next? Plus why didn’t all the waiters and busboys have guns?

All the waiters and busboys should carry katanas, or two swords strapped across their backs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:15:55am

re: #168 Dr. Matt

Breitbart exemplified RWNJ by every sense of the definition.

Sure did. The eulogies amused the hell out of me making him out to be this passionate warrior for the conservative cause. No, he was an unrepentant bigot who liked ruining people because of their race and ideology, see Sherrod, Shirley.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:15:58am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Precisely. They think they can say whatever the hell they want with no consequence. That’s not how free speech works. If I were to call you an asshole, you’d be free to call me one back or refuse to associate with me. That’s not violating my free speech or censoring me.

Just like people who think that “sexual freedom” mean being able to have sex without consequences.

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Tigger2  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:16:01am

re: #160 Dr. Matt

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He would have made a good street corner preacher or one that walks around collage campuses getting laughed at.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:16:15am

re: #160 Dr. Matt

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No, he wasn’t doing drugs. Not at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:16:47am

re: #174 Tigger2

He would have made a good street corner preacher or one that walks around collage campuses getting laughed at.

We had some of those while I was in college. That was always fun to do in between classes.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:17:00am

re: #169 freetoken

I would not be surprised of Trump makes use of this crime, in his event speeches this week.

Yep. And he will definitely bring it up when he comes to Columbus and the other Ohio cities he will hit. I suspect that will be in a week or two. Kasich I think has a big rally here maybe this weekend. He is going to browbeat us to vote for “Ohio’s Favorite Son” big time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:17:02am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Sure did. The eulogies amused the hell out of me making him out to be this passionate warrior for the conservative cause. No, he was an unrepentant bigot who liked ruining people because of their race and ideology, see Sherrod, Shirley.

There was a lot more to the Shirley Sherrod story. She was a bit of a hot potato that the Democratic Party was happy to drop, I can only suppose that AB knew that when he targeted her with his smear campaign.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:17:48am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Sure did. The eulogies amused the hell out of me making him out to be this passionate warrior for the conservative cause. No, he was an unrepentant bigot who liked ruining people because of their race and ideology, see Sherrod, Shirley.

Ann Coulter referred to him as this generation’s John Lennon. SMH.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:19:14am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was a lot more to the Shirley Sherrod story. She was a bit of a hot potato that the Democratic Party was happy to drop, I can only suppose that AB knew that when he targeted her with his smear campaign.

Was there something I missed because I clearly saw that she realized she would have been making a mistake had she denied that farmer the loan and the farmer after the fact stood up for her. She wasn’t a Democratic Party official either but a DoA official. Thing is Breitbart was an asshole and the world of politics is better without him. It sucks he died but it would have been better if Andy decided his true calling was in something less destructive.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:19:54am

re: #119 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Erasing Franco’s memory one street at a time

He will live on at Free Republic. There is a regular Franco cult there. They gather automatically, like flies around a corpse, whenever his name is mentioned. These cultists are notable for unleashing a torrent of rage and abuse at even mild criticism of the Generalissimo. In my experience, Franco seems to have some special significance to the throwback/Bircher/Buchanan wing of the political right. These are the same people who think Churchill and Zionist various bankers tricked us into World War II, and that this is still a current issue.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:19:59am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

Ann Coulter referred to him as this generation’s John Lennon. SMH.

John Lennon actually had talent. But then again Coulter would say that given that she worships Joseph McCarthy and even made a pilgrimage to his grave.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:20:13am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I think I have a friend who was there when he did that. That guy clearly was mad.

Any of that remind anyone of one David Fry melting down in Oregon?

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:20:17am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For these people, Twitter and Facebook are expected to function as some sort of public space. Totally clueless as to how business and free speech work in this country.

It could actually be an interesting legal debate about whether those platforms are traditional public forums, private forums, or something in between, given the pervasive scope of the internet in our contemporary culture.

Of course, when I say “interesting” I mean in a way that would bore 99.99999% of the population who don’t have an understanding of history and jurisprudence. It’s sort of like Supreme Court decisions, those who are trained in reading, understanding, and applying them find a lot of interesting stuff in the cases that most people ignore.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:20:29am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

He will live on at Free Republic. There is a regular Franco cult there. They gather automatically, like flies around a corpse, whenever his name is mentioned. These cultists are notable for unleashing a torrent of rage and abuse at even mild criticism of the Generalissimo. In my experience, Franco seems to have some special significance to the throwback/Bircher/Buchanan wing of the political right. These are the same people who think Churchill and Zionist various bankers tricked us into World War II, and that this is still a current issue.

NRO loved them some Franco too. Another huge strike for William F. Buckley. Pat Buchanan, also a huge Franco fan.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:21:48am

Can you imagine toxic levels generated by all these people together in one room==>

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:22:19am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Was there something I missed because I clearly saw that she realized she would have been making a mistake had she denied that farmer the loan and the farmer after the fact stood up for her. She wasn’t a Democratic Party official either but a DoA official. Thing is Breitbart was an asshole and the world of politics is better without him. It sucks he died but it would have been better if Andy decided his true calling was in something less destructive.

No, there was a bit of an embarrassing backstory with Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack and her claiming benefits that she might not have been entitled to that the Democratic Party was happy to simply ignore, which seems to be the reason they did not come to her aid or reinstate her, despite the fact that the video AB published was a deliberately edited and misleading smear.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:22:52am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No, there was a bit of an embarrassing backstory with Tom Vilsack and her claiming benefits that she might not have been entitled to that the Democratic Party was happy to simply ignore, which seems to be the reason they did not come to her aid or reinstate her, despite the fact that the video AB published was a deliberately edited and misleading smear.

Ah.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:23:14am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

He will live on at Free Republic. There is a regular Franco cult there. They gather automatically, like flies around a corpse, whenever his name is mentioned. These cultists are notable for unleashing a torrent of rage and abuse at even mild criticism of the Generalissimo. In my experience, Franco seems to have some special significance to the throwback/Bircher/Buchanan wing of the political right. These are the same people who think Churchill and Zionist various bankers tricked us into World War II, and that this is still a current issue.

A lot of that is Catholic shtick. At the same time the Falangists were murdering poets, the Republicans were murdering priests. The story of the Alcazar of Toledo figured big in 1950’s Catholic school texts.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:23:25am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

I’d be willing to contribute to Lil Wayne’s defense team after he got done with a meeting with the rest of them.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:23:34am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

He will live on at Free Republic. There is a regular Franco cult there. They gather automatically, like flies around a corpse, whenever his name is mentioned. These cultists are notable for unleashing a torrent of rage and abuse at even mild criticism of the Generalissimo. In my experience, Franco seems to have some special significance to the throwback/Bircher/Buchanan wing of the political right. These are the same people who think Churchill and Zionist various bankers tricked us into World War II, and that this is still a current issue.

Of course, Franco was a “successful” fascist in that he had a long reign. He did this mostly by staying out of World War II. Of course:

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:23:44am

Found a review for Carnal Wishes:

Late Night Cable Movie Review: Carnal Wishes (2015, dir. Jon Taylor)

[…]

The movie opens up with Rachel (Jayden Cole) shooting a man who we find out was her husband (Ryan Driller). He dies and falls into a pool. Since he isn’t William Holden, the movie plays the opening credits, then takes us back a week instead of him narrating the story. Of course by taking us back a week, I mean to a sex scene between Rachel and her husband. This is where I’d like to note that the sex actually has a purpose and is integrated into the story. Heck, this movie does something I never expected to see. Several times two people enter a room and don’t proceed to have sex with each other. That’s a rarity in the ones I’ve watched. In this one, for whatever reason, they basically tried to make a low budget film noir that happens to have sex prominently featured in it.

[…]

That’s right! Rachel’s friend is more than a friend. Same ending as you would expect, but it’s another girl she runs off with, rather than another guy. That’s it! I think Erotic Ink is still the best of these I’ve watched so far. But if you’re looking at the one’s available through Cinemax, then this is probably the best I’ve come across so far. It’s not perfect by any means, but they seemed to put an effort into this one. An actual movie that happens to have sex in it instead of a bunch of sex scenes hung on a clothesline.

If Cruz’s campaign is objecting to this, I have to say, Cruz is attempting to bring back a level of prudery that we haven’t seen in politics since… Tipper Gore.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:25:25am

re: #192 freetoken

Found a review for Carnal Wishes:

Late Night Cable Movie Review: Carnal Wishes (2015, dir. Jon Taylor)

If Cruz’s campaign is objecting to this, I have to say, Cruz is attempting to bring back a level of prudery that we haven’t seen in politics since… Tipper Gore.

Well we are talking about a man who insists he stopped listening to rock music after 9/11 because he didn’t like rock music’s reaction.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:27:05am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

A lot of that is Catholic shtick. At the same time the Falangists were murdering poets, the Republicans were murdering priests. The story of the Alcazar of Toledo figured big in 1950’s Catholic school texts.

Which is Buchanan’s big thing I reckon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:27:10am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

NRO loved them some Franco too. Another huge strike for William F. Buckley. Pat Buchanan, also a huge Franco fan.

What’s not to like about that great fascist dictator?// The only nice thing I can think to say about Franco is that he didn’t give the Spanish Jews to Hitler, which doesn’t in any way excuse the human rights abuses he is responsible for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:27:49am

re: #195 Big Beautiful Door

What’s not to like about that great fascist dictator?// The only nice thing I can think to say about Franco is that he didn’t give the Spanish Jews to Hitler, which doesn’t in any way excuse the human rights abuses he is responsible for.

Well for starters he wasn’t a commie. //

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:28:38am

re: #3 WhatEVs

Why yes, it’s true. He’s apparently dropping F bombs at all his campaign events lately.

I’m speechless. And I swear like a drunken sailor on leave.

I’d like to hear that.

I good creative swearer is unusual now, most people do it randomly and un-artistically as filler in place of ’ you knows’, ‘likes’, ‘ums’ and ‘aws’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:28:47am

There’s a lot of Pinochet love too in right wing circles perhaps even greater than Franco since they love that Pinoceht was a capitalist. Pinochet to me is proof that capitalism isn’t inherently democratic despite what is said.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:30:06am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of Pinochet love too in right wing circles perhaps even greater than Franco since they love that Pinoceht was a capitalist. Pinochet to me is proof that capitalism isn’t inherently democratic despite what is said.

Was he a capitalist in the same way that North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:30:11am

re: #192 freetoken

Found a review for Carnal Wishes:

Late Night Cable Movie Review: Carnal Wishes (2015, dir. Jon Taylor)

If Cruz’s campaign is objecting to this, I have to say, Cruz is attempting to bring back a level of prudery that we haven’t seen in politics since… Tipper Gore.

You have to remember the commercial is aimed to appeal to extremely tight assed people.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:30:17am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Which is Buchanan’s big thing I reckon.

And Buckley’s, besides being a crypto-nazi, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:31:02am

re: #199 Belafon

Was he a capitalist in the same way that North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

Not sure. Not too familiar with his economics.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:31:24am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

And Buckley’s, besides being a crypto-nazi, of course.

Heh not a big Vidal fan but Buckley deserved that.

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Tigger2  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:32:44am
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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:32:59am

re: #15 Stanley Sea

LGF Sage.

On point.

Hey, I’d like to be known as an LGF herb too, … maybe oregano.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:33:27am

Liberal Fascism, written by a guy who edits the magazine founded by a guy who wrote praises of Franco. Some shit you just can’t make up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:40:56am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Well for starters he wasn’t a commie. //

And he made the bulls run on time…

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:41:02am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Liberal Fascism, written by a guy who edits the magazine founded by a guy who wrote praises of Franco. Some shit you just can’t make up.

They keep trying.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:42:26am

re: #208 Belafon

They keep trying.

Oh of course they do. I’ve seen Bernie Sanders likened to Hitler.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:44:04am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Oh of course they do. I’ve seen Bernie Sanders likened to Hitler.

After this election, we’ll have to pass Godwin II, with a twitterdeath sentence penalty.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:53:26am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Liberal Fascism, written by a guy who edits the magazine founded by a guy who wrote praises of Franco. Some shit you just can’t make up.

The fantasy fascists are the people who opposed the actual fascists.
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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:54:57am

re: #211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The fantasy fascists are the people who opposed the actual fascists.
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Not to mention the very real reality that a lot of Western rightists saw the fascists as an antidote to the communists.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:57:47am

re: #195 Big Beautiful Door

What’s not to like about that great fascist dictator?// The only nice thing I can think to say about Franco is that he didn’t give the Spanish Jews to Hitler, which doesn’t in any way excuse the human rights abuses he is responsible for.

I read George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia a few years ago and when discussing it with my dad he told me that his mom volunteered with others in Columbus, Oh. to raise funds and organize supplies for the forces fighting Franco in the 1930’s. Way to go, Grandma!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 7:59:51am

re: #213 KerFuFFler

I read George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia a few years ago and when discussing it with my dad he told me that his mom worked with others in Columbus, Oh. to raise funds and organize supplies for the forces fighting Franco in the 1930’s. Way to go, Grandma!

Wow. That’s awesome.

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BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:03:30am

re: #132 Belafon

I was just reading John Cole’s post about the debate last night, and he mentioned something that I’ve seen others say and I think it’s funny: that he’s ready for the debates and town halls to be over. Remember how everyone was complaining about DWS scheduling too few debates? Now that we’re having more, suddenly people are tired of them. In part, it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I do get the impression that the more debates people had a huge overlap with the Sanders people, and they’re not helping him as much as his fans thought.

I think it would help if they didn’t ask pretty much the same damn questions at every debate. Nothing about women’s reproductive rights; nothing about global warming; nothing about domestic terrorism (other than their whole ISIS cells in the US—how about the Bundy Boys et al?); nothing about voter suppression/voting rights.

I felt like last night’s yakfest was a cabon copy of the one from last Saturday.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:08:11am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s cool to find out Grandma was a firebrand. My dad passed away last year so I can’t expect any new revelations though I still have a lot of stuff of hers to sort through. (My Dad had her old photos, papers and such but now I’ve got them.) Who knows, maybe I’ll find more information; after all, she even kept her report cards from school from the early 1900’s! And naturally I have my Dad’s and his brothers’. Grandma did not like to throw things out….

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:10:27am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

If that happens I would thank Milo for putting them all together in the same room. Muhahahaha.

But I would make sure that Marilyn Manson wouldn’t be there. I like the dude.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:11:03am

re: #216 KerFuFFler

Yeah, it’s cool to find out Grandma was a firebrand. My dad passed away last year so I can’t expect any new revelations though I still have a lot of stuff of hers to sort through. (My Dad had her old photos, papers and such but now I’ve got them.) Who knows, maybe I’ll find more information; after all, she even kept her report cards from school from the early 1900’s! And naturally I have my Dad’s and his brothers’. Grandma did not like to throw things out….

Mine kept a lot of her old stuff too. I have her high school year book from the late 20’s. I think my aunt has her photos. I hope so anyhow. I really want to see more photos of her parents, brother, and sisters.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:12:06am

re: #213 KerFuFFler

I read George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia a few years ago and when discussing it with my dad he told me that his mom volunteered with others in Columbus, Oh. to raise funds and organize supplies for the forces fighting Franco in the 1930’s. Way to go, Grandma!

Hey…Columbus…hometown!

Mind if I ask where your grandmother may have lived here?

I’m going to do some searching to see what that volunteer effort was all about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:14:06am

re: #213 KerFuFFler

I read George Orwell’s Homage to Catalonia a few years ago and when discussing it with my dad he told me that his mom volunteered with others in Columbus, Oh. to raise funds and organize supplies for the forces fighting Franco in the 1930’s. Way to go, Grandma!

I guess supporting Spanish Republicans in the 1930’s was a bit like supporting the Nicaraguan Sandinistas was in the 80’s…

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:14:47am

re: #216 KerFuFFler

Yeah, it’s cool to find out Grandma was a firebrand. My dad passed away last year so I can’t expect any new revelations though I still have a lot of stuff of hers to sort through. (My Dad had her old photos, papers and such but now I’ve got them.) Who knows, maybe I’ll find more information; after all, she even kept her report cards from school from the early 1900’s! And naturally I have my Dad’s and his brothers’. Grandma did not like to throw things out….

Wow. Early 1900s. I would now really love to see where she lived. I live in one of the old parts of the city. My house is from 1905.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:14:47am

Teens today are a bunch of boring goody two shoes.
vox.com

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:14:48am

This is America, 2016:

SENATOR PUSHES BILL FOR BIBLE IN SCHOOLS

Idaho school teachers can already use the Bible as a reference, but Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll wants a state law to underscore the point.

The Cottonwood Republican is pushing a bill to that effect, and the Senate Education Committee gave the idea its preliminary approval.

“A lot of teachers are scared to use the Bible,” Nuxoll said.

The one-paragraph bill says the Bible would be expressly permitted for use as a reference for “literature, comparative religion, English and foreign languages, United States and world history, comparative government, law, philosophy, ethics, astronomy, biology, geology, world geography, archaeology, music, sociology and other topics of study.”

No student would be required to study the Bible, if the student or parent objected.

Nuxoll said her bill is modeled after legislation in 10 other states.

The committee voted to introduce the bill, but not without resistance.

Sen. Janie Ward-Engelking, D-Boise, questioned the need for the law, since teachers can already use the Bible anyway.

“Once we start spelling out religious texts,” she said, “we open up the door to spelling out many, many more.”

“That, I guess, could be a possibility,” Nuxoll said. However, she drew a distinction between the Bible and other religious texts, saying the Bible is “embedded” in American culture.

Senate Education voted to print the bill, with Ward-Engelking voting no. With that introduction, the bill could come back to the committee for a full hearing.

[…]

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:14:59am

Boy, won’t Baby Snidley Whiplash and the Rage Furby be upset to see they’re not on the self-hater’s dream list.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:15:25am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I guess supporting Spanish Republicans in the 1930’s was a bit like supporting the Nicaraguan Sandinistas was in the 80’s…

I don’t know about that. There were volunteers from all over the world who contributed to that cause either like Ker’s grandma or actually volunteering like members of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Now likewise there were a lot of international fighters and supporters of Franco especially in the Catholic ranks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:17:14am

We have a photo of my great great grandmother. Also a photo of the blacksmith shop my great great grandfather owned and he’s presumably in the photograph but I can’t identify him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:19:01am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I don’t know about that. There were volunteers from all over the world who contributed to that cause either like Ker’s grandma or actually volunteering like members of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Now likewise there were a lot of international fighters and supporters of Franco especially in the Catholic ranks.

Only a bit, and only in the sense that same sort of idealists would have been drawn to support both causes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:19:42am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Only a bit, and only in the sense that same sort of idealists would have been drawn to support both causes.

Guess so, perhaps the foreign volunteers are over romanticized due to works like Homage.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:20:58am

I thought the legislator’s name ringed a bell:

State senator not sorry about Hinduism comments

Idaho state Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll is standing by her comments that Hinduism has false gods, despite a diverse group of religious leaders calling on her to apologize.

[…]

Nuxoll says she did not attend the prayer because she believes the United States is a Christian nation.

Which is why she wants the Bible in geology and astronomy classes.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:21:49am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Wow. Early 1900s. I would now really love to see where she lived. I live in one of the old parts of the city. My house is from 1905.

She was born in Connecticut and lived there until the great depression. Then she moved with her husband and kids to Columbus. I don’t know where precisely because they had moved to Florida by the time I was born.

But seriously, I have gotten some very cool old pictures of her ancestors———there is one of her great grandmother taken in 1847 if I recall correctly. Now I want to go back and check!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:21:54am

re: #223 freetoken

This is America, 2016:

SENATOR PUSHES BILL FOR BIBLE IN SCHOOLS

I am all in favor or teaching a course on why a literal interpretation of the Bible is irreconcilable with the foundations of modern science, history and even logic, as the Bible contradicts itself.

And how many of the teachings of the Bible are contrary to modern US rights and laws regarding gender and racial equality

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:22:58am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I don’t know about that. There were volunteers from all over the world who contributed to that cause either like Ker’s grandma or actually volunteering like members of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Now likewise there were a lot of international fighters and supporters of Franco especially in the Catholic ranks.

There were Irish ‘brigades’ on both sides. That seems to be a pattern.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:23:35am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Well, Stalin did help the Republicans, until the gold ran out.

A lot of people who fought Franco came back to the States. When the McCarthy witch hunts started they cam under suspicion for being ‘premature anti-fascists’.

Yes, that is the term that was used.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:23:50am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

There were Irish ‘brigades’ on both sides. That seems to be a pattern.

That it does. The Irish, always there for every cause but their own.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:24:41am

re: #233 Romantic Heretic

Well, Stalin did help the Republicans, until the gold ran out.

A lot of people who fought Franco came back to the States. When the McCarthy witch hunts started they cam under suspicion for being ‘premature anti-fascists’.

Yes, that is the term that was used.

Right. And wow premature anti-fascists. Sheesh. What a terrible era that was for free thought.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:24:59am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

That it does. The Irish, always there for every cause but their own.

Christy Moore - Viva la Quinta Brigada. Live at Barrowland Glasgow

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:30:06am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

We have a photo of my great great grandmother. Also a photo of the blacksmith shop my great great grandfather owned and he’s presumably in the photograph but I can’t identify him.

Maybe we should set up a page where lizards can post and share such old pictures. I’d love to see yours——-the blacksmith shop seems interesting!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:31:02am

News from Australia, [trigger warning]

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:32:00am

re: #237 KerFuFFler

Maybe we should set up a page where lizards can post and share such old pictures. I’d love to see yours——-the blacksmith shop seems interesting!

Sounds good to me. It’s really a fascinating story.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:33:23am

I’ll create the page. It’s going to be called “A Photo Deopsitory for Lizards Interested in Family History.” Keep an eye out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:33:39am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

News from Australia, [trigger warning]

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We have a friend who works for the Australian Tourist Board. Gonna send him that one…

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:33:44am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am all in favor or teaching a course on why a literal interpretation of the Bible is irreconcilable with the foundations of modern science, history and even logic, as the Bible contradicts itself.

And how many of the teachings of the Bible are contrary to modern US rights and laws regarding gender and racial equality

Hey, I’m all for making Biblical teaching on food preparation and edible foods the law of the land. Kashrut baby! Just don’t dig on swine. Or shellfish. Or cheeseburgers (with or without bacon). And keep your meat/dairy intake well separated.

Oh wait, you mean you’re selectively picking and choosing what is meant by biblical teaching, which has nothing to do with what’s actually contained in the bible (which version btw, since we’re on the subject, since translations from the original language are so precise).

Never mind then.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:36:05am

Obama trolling the sovereign citizens and the nuts who think that the feds control way too much land out West.

Obama, in California this week for a fundraising swing, is to make the announcement Friday.

In all, he will name three specific regions national monuments — Mojave Trails, Castle Mountains (both in the Mojave Desert) and Sand to Snow in the Sonoran Desert.

The White House says the designations will nearly double the amount of public land that Obama has designated as national monument status since taking office.

“In addition to permanently protecting incredible natural resources, wildlife habitat and unique historic and cultural sites, and providing recreational opportunities for a burgeoning region, the monuments will support climate resiliency in the region … ,” the White House said in a statement.

The designations will also connect those regions to other protected government land, including Joshua Tree National Park, the Mojave National Preserve and 15 other federal wilderness areas.

Mojave Trails National Monument, at 1.6 million acres, is by far the largest of the three new ones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:36:34am

re: #242 lawhawk

A course on Biblical references in US and world literature would not be unreasonable.

Nor would a course on how Biblical thinking influenced the course of US and world history.

But I do not think that is the intent of the fellow who wants to pass this bill…

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:37:11am

Meanwhile, in real archeology and anthropology, not the Biblical kind:

Sterkfontein Caves produce two new hominin fossils

Two new hominin fossils have been found in a previously uninvestigated chamber in the Sterkfontein Caves, just North West of Johannesburg in South Africa.

The two new specimens, a finger bone and a molar, are part of a set of four specimens, which seem to be from early hominins that can be associated with early stone tool-bearing sediments that entered the cave more than two million years ago.

“The specimens are exciting not only because they are associated with early stone tools, but also because they possess a mixture of intriguing features that raise many more questions than they give answers,” says lead researcher Dr Dominic Stratford, a lecturer at the Wits School of Geography, Archaeology and Environmental studies, and research coordinator at the Sterkfontein Caves.

[…]

It seems that our Hominini tribe has had many branches.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:38:08am

re: #245 freetoken

Meanwhile, in real archeology and anthropology, not the Biblical kind:

Sterkfontein Caves produce two new hominin fossils

It seems that our Hominini tribe has had many branches.

Lies, of the From-the-Pit-of-Hell kind!!!

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:39:04am
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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:39:05am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Teaching the bible in a literature, comparative studies, religion, sociology, or even psychology class is not unreasonable.

Including it in STEM classes is unreasonable. It has no place in those classes.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:39:11am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I’ll create the page. It’s going to be called “A Photo Deopsitory for Lizards Interested in Family History.” Keep an eye out.

Terrific, thanks! It may take a little time before I can post pictures——-I have to track them down, take pictures of the pictures and them upload them. I also have some fascinating pictures of my dad in Japan shortly after the war. He was a language specialist in the army and was posted there for his Japanese language skills. He loved photography too so there’s a lot of material. :)

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:39:31am

re: #245 freetoken

The specimens are exciting not only because they are associated with early stone tools, but also because they possess a mixture of intriguing features that raise many more questions than they give answers.

See, evolution is wrong. It should have predicted those features!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:40:18am

re: #249 KerFuFFler

Terrific, thanks! It may take a little time before I can post pictures——-I have to track them down, take pictures of the pictures and them upload them. I also have some fascinating pictures of my dad in Japan shortly after the war. He was a language specialist in the army and was posted there for his Japanese language skills. He loved photography too so there’s a lot of material. :)

It’s up. No worries. Your Dad sounds like a fascinating guy. Not too many people knew Japanese in those days. Valuable skill to have.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:40:38am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

Fifty Shades of Grey

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:42:57am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

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Atlas Shrugged.

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darthstar  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:44:42am

re: #204 Tigger2

Fuck.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:45:22am

The Jungle

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:46:01am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:48:00am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

If you could force Donald Trump to read one book, what would it be?

The Mad Bathroom Companion. He needs to learn about absurdity.

amazon.com

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:51:23am

Early member of the Trump family?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:52:16am

re: #258 Skip Intro

Early member of the Trump family?

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Trumptus Erectus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:53:15am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Trumptus Erectus.

As long as it’s not Trumpus Electus.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:54:41am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as it’s not Trumpus Electus.

Shiver.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:54:44am

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:56:38am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

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You know who ELSE liked to make rules to determine how Jewish people were?
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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:56:47am
Since Valentine’s Day is nearly upon us.
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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:57:46am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

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There’s something really wrong with that guy. Must come from knowing that he’s a right wing shill.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:57:56am

re: #258 Skip Intro

Early member of the Trump family?

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The other night, I was taking the tram home and I couldn’t help but notice a young fellow, in his early 20s, I’d say, with the most stunningly prominent supraorbital ridge I’d ever seen.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2016 • 8:59:46am

Seen on Facebook…

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withak  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:01:08am

re: #222 Big Beautiful Door

Teens today are a bunch of boring goody two shoes.
vox.com

As a former goody-two-shoes teen who was only corrupted in his early 20s, this makes me smile.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:05:01am

re: #267 makeitstop

That troll reminds me….my sister had one with purple hair around 1965 or 66. Apparently I gave it a haircut———hey I was like 4! Anyway, my sister forgave me last year. Forgiven but not forgotten. 8D

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:05:43am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

A JINO?

SMH

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:06:24am

Fears of Gattaca?:

California stem cell agency may fund tests to edit genes in human embryos

A California agency funded by taxpayers is considering whether it should support scientific research aimed at genetically modifying human embryos — work so controversial that the federal government won’t pay for it.

The state’s stem cell institute is reviewing its ethics guidelines to determine whether they are strong enough to safely allow studies in which scientists would attempt to edit the genes of embryos.

[…]

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withak  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:06:35am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

A JINO?

SMH

“JINO” sounds very similar to an epithet I might use for Ben.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:08:52am

re: #272 withak

“JINO” sounds very similar to an epithet I might use for Ben.

I don’t know Hebrew but I’m sure the language has a brilliant word to describe a fuckwad like him.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:09:06am

We say the same thing about some Christians. The difference, I would say, is we can point to specific parts of the Bible to support our claims. I haven’t seen Ben say anything other than “He’s not a Jew!!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:09:13am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

A JINO?

That would make Ben S a person who engages in the study of such: a JINOcologist

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:09:57am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I don’t know Hebrew but I’m sure the language has a brilliant word to describe a fuckwad like him.

PUTZ

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:10:11am

re: #274 Belafon

We say the same thing about some Christians. The difference, I would say, is we can point to specific parts of the Bible to support our claims. I haven’t seen Ben say anything other than “He’s not a Jew!!”

Ben claims he’s a militant atheist who hates Israel neither of which are true. He being Bernie of course.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:10:37am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

PUTZ

Aww I was hoping for some word whose pronunciation I’d butcher but putz is pretty apt, aye.

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No Depression  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:11:11am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

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Ben’s a HINO, Human In Name Only.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:11:32am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Aww I was hoping for some word whose pronunciation I’d butcher but putz is pretty apt, aye.

Putz is Yiddish, not Hebrew

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:11:50am

Hell I even saw some really far lefties ripping on Bernie for saying Israel has a right to exist and for saying some nice things about Bibi. And I’ve never seen Sanders attack religion in a way a militant atheist would.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:12:05am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

Putz is Yiddish, not Hebrew

D’oh. Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:12:25am

It’s Yiddish that is closely related to German right?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:12:53am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

It’s Yiddish that is closely related to German right?

Yoh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:14:11am

re: #284 The Vicious Babushka

Yoh

Danke.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:16:20am

America, 2016:

‘White guilt’ video kerfuffle: Should schools teach structural racism?

As part of an educational Black History Month program, Glen Allen High School in Henrico County, Va., showed its 1,500-some students an animated four-minute video called “Structural Discrimination: The Unequal Opportunity Race” last week during a schoolwide assembly.

But when parents heard about the video’s content, which was produced by the African American Policy Forum over 10 years ago, many reacted in outcry. The backlash was so intense that the school has since banned it, labeling “racially divisive.”

“They are sitting there watching a video that is dividing them up from a racial standpoint. It’s a white guilt kind of video,” Don Blake, whose granddaughter attended the assembly, told WWBT news. “I think somebody should be held accountable for this.”

[…]

At first, the school defended its decision to show the film.

[…]

But after “numerous emails and phone calls objecting to the video,” administrators ultimately conceded.

“The Henrico School Board and administration consider this to be a matter of grave concern,” School Board Chair Micky Ogburn said in a statement released to The Washington Post. “School leaders have been instructed not to use the video in our schools. In addition, steps are being taken to prevent the use of racially divisive materials in the future. We do apologize to those who were offended and for the unintended impact on our community.”

[…]

Here, you decide:

The Unequal Opportunity Race

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:16:34am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash, King Of The Jews==>

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Born too late. Missed his chance to make input to the Nuremberg Laws.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:19:11am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

The other night, I was taking the tram home and I couldn’t help but notice a young fellow, in his early 20s, I’d say, with the most stunningly prominent supraorbital ridge I’d ever seen.

I don’t feel uncomfortable untiI I encounter a saggital crest.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:19:22am

The WaPo story is up to 3447 comments on this:

washingtonpost.com

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:22:49am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

The other night, I was taking the tram home and I couldn’t help but notice a young fellow, in his early 20s, I’d say, with the most stunningly prominent supraorbital ridge I’d ever seen.

It was a callus from pounding his forehead on the desk.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:22:50am

re: #286 freetoken

America, 2016:

‘White guilt’ video kerfuffle: Should schools teach structural racism?

Here, you decide:

[Embedded content]

Video

Part of me thinks somethings are over simplified since a lot of the hurdles the black racers encounter were things encountered by many whites too but we cannot deny the effect that slavery and Jim Crow have had.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:23:17am

re: #286 freetoken

America, 2016:

‘White guilt’ video kerfuffle: Should schools teach structural racism?

Here, you decide:

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“A lot of people thought it was offensive to white people and made them feel bad about being privileged”

We obviously can’t make white people feel bad. //

I think I’ll have my teenager watch this over the weekend.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:23:23am

re: #289 freetoken

The WaPo story is up to 3447 comments on this:

washingtonpost.com

No desire to read the comments. News story comment sections on race are where a lot of ugly comes out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:24:11am

I think we do need to discuss racial privilege though. It is a very real thing so I don’t object to the video nor its purpose.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:27:31am

I don’t think white guilt is the operative idea. I do think white people need to be aware though of the advantages simply by the color of our skin we have had in in our society for generations. It always makes me remember that Emmett Till was younger than some of my aunts and uncles and that he was murdered in my own dad’s lifetime for whistling at a white woman. A white kid does that to the white woman in question and maybe he gets a stern lecture but never a murder that goes unpunished.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:29:59am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

I don’t think white guilt is the operative idea. I do think white people need to be aware though of the advantages simply by the color of our skin we have had in in our society for generations. It always makes me remember that Emmett Till was younger than some of my aunts and uncles and that he was murdered in my own dad’s lifetime for whistling at a white woman. A white kid does that to the white woman in question and maybe he gets a stern lecture but never a murder that goes unpunished.

White privilege is what the video is trying to point out. Getting people to recognize the advantages they have for being white is one of the steps necessary ending racism.

White guilt is a phrase that whites use to justify not figuring out what advantages they get from being white. “Why are you trying to make me feel guilty?” changes the victim to the white person.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:32:54am

re: #296 Belafon

White privilege is what the video is trying to point out. Getting people to recognize the advantages they have for being white is one of the steps necessary ending racism.

White guilt is a phrase that whites use to justify not figuring out what advantages they get from being white. “Why are you trying to make me feel guilty?” changes the victim to the white person.

Absolutely. Agreed 100%. I got at it last night when I brought up the driving example with my brother. I drive with him and the police never bother us. He drives with African-American friends and he gets pulled over. And as I mentioned we live in a wealthy suburb which throws some shade into the idea that you just need to get rid of the economic inequalities.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:33:23am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:34:53am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

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Good ad IMO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:35:04am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

If we solved our problems with Wall Street tomorrow, we’d still have discrimination holding too many Americans back.

In TPGOP Terms: once we have successfully expropriated all the wealth on Wall Street, we are going to come into the suburbs and take away your homes and SUVs AND GIVE IT ALL TO UNDESERVING MOOCHERS!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:35:17am

OMG the horror, the sheer horror…

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:35:46am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

One party is having a proper debate, and the other is debating how tall the wall should be.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:37:02am

US company sells Etch A Sketch to Toronto toy firm

The company that has produced or owned the Etch A Sketch for decades has sold the classic toy to a firm in Toronto.

Ohio Art Co. sold the Etch A Sketch and the spin off Doodle Sketch to Spin Master Corp. for an undisclosed price. The Blade newspaper in Toledo reports Ohio Art announced the move Thursday.

THIS WOULDN’T HAPPEN WHEN TRUMP IS PRESIDENT! MAKE UMERICA GRATE AGANE!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:37:02am

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

OMG the horror, the sheer horror…

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I forget Milo, who actually arranged to have the Dixie Chicks removed from the airwaves when they dared to criticize Bush? Which noted conservative Christian campus actually banned the College Democrats from existing campus? And who keeps on trying to ban Gay-Straight alliances in our nation’s schools? Conservatives love to accuse liberal college students of being intolerant but never look in the rear view mirror.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:37:23am

re: #302 Belafon

One party is having a proper debate, and the other is debating how tall the wall should be.

They’re not even debating how high the wall should be—Trump is telling them how high. And then he tells them to jump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:38:14am

Oh and it’s free speech to protest a speaker you don’t like. I really don’t want ot hear from a fucking Nazi apologist about how the left are intolerant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:38:59am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I forget Milo, who actually arranged to have the Dixie Chicks removed from the airwaves when they dared to criticize Bush? Which noted conservative Christian campus actually banned the College Democrats from existing campus? And who keeps on trying to ban Gay-Straight alliances in our nation’s schools? Conservatives love to accuse liberal college students of being intolerant.

Even President Obama came out and reminded us that colleges and universities are not nursery schools and that students should be prepared to face a lot of uncomfortable opinions and viewpoints.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:39:06am

BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:40:35am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even President Obama came out and reminded us that colleges and universities are not nursery schools and that students should be prepared to face a lot of uncomfortable opinions.

Right. And I agree these kids could be better but they’re just college kids. And I totally forgot the Missouri legislator that tried to bully a graduate student who was writing critically of the state’s abortion laws or my own state’s then AG and potential governor bullying UVA’s climate change scientists.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:40:50am

I’ll have mine to go, please.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:41:48am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even President Obama came out and reminded us that colleges and universities are not nursery schools and that students should be prepared to face a lot of uncomfortable opinions.

If someone asked me if I thought sexist and racist speeches should be banned on campus, I’d say yes. If I was asked if I thought someone should be arrested for making those speeches, I’d say no.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:41:55am

re: #310 Skip Intro

I’ll have mine to go, please.

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Too fatty and greasy for me. Can I have a Thai restaurant customer instead?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:42:51am

re: #311 Belafon

If someone asked me if I thought sexist and racist speeches should be banned on campus, I’d say yes. If I was asked if I thought someone should be arrested for making those speeches, I’d say no.

Well the tricky question is how do you define that. However, if a student body has an issue with a speaker’s hate speech, I’m fine with them protesting it and bringing attention to the fact that speaker is hate filled.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:43:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:43:47am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even President Obama came out and reminded us that colleges and universities are not nursery schools and that students should be prepared to face a lot of uncomfortable opinions.

Milo expects that when he speaks on college campuses everyone will sit politely, listen silently, and applaud when he is done.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:44:31am

But one thing I am tired of is seeing college students scapegoated for “intolerance” and this bullshit revisionism about how in the past we “didn’t have PC run amok.” No we were a society that couldn’t even show for the longest time on television that couples shared the same bed because people were too prudish.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:44:49am

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

Milo expects that when he speaks on college campuses everyone will sit politely, listen silently, and applaud when he is done.

Precisely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:47:09am

I was fond of bringing this up in the great boycott discussions but boycotting itself is a form of speech.I may think the boycotts of LGBT friendly brands are silly and stupid but those groups do have a right to boycott LGBT friendly brands if they so choose just as I so choose to have the right to choose not to eat at a restaurant that gives tons of its proceeds to organizations that want to deny people their rights.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:48:02am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

But one thing I am tired of is seeing college students scapegoated for “intolerance” and this bullshit revisionism about how in the past we “didn’t have PC run amok.” No we were a society that couldn’t even show for the longest time on television that couples shared the same bed because people were too prudish.

For the longest time, college speeches were run by white men who expected their views to be accepted without question. Who would have stopped a white man in the 1950s speaking at UT Austin talking about how the best arrangement is to have the wife at home supporting her husband, who is toiling away to support those not as exceptional as he was?

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:51:36am

We got lucky when my niece graduated last year. Greg Abbott was going to be speaking at commencement, but because the weather was bad, they separated his speech from the main ceremonies (the indoor space wasn’t big enough for everyone, so they broke the actual graduation into parts). My niece didn’t even go hear him.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:53:28am

In case you haven’t seen it - OK Go does it again

They may be the most brilliant conceptualists in rock.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:00am

Remember Ben’s attempt to tell those school kids why their families were poor?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:02am

re: #319 Belafon

For the longest time, college speeches were run by white men who expected their views to be accepted without question. Who would have stopped a white man in the 1950s speaking at UT Austin talking about how the best arrangement is to have the wife at home supporting her husband, who is toiling away to support those not as exceptional as he was?

Precisely.

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EmmaAnne  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:09am

I’ve probably linked to this before, but it deserves another link.

whatever.scalzi.com

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CleverToad  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:31am

re: #248 lawhawk

Teaching the bible in a literature, comparative studies, religion, sociology, or even psychology class is not unreasonable.

Including it in STEM classes is unreasonable. It has no place in those classes.

As Asimov pointed out, according to the Bible, pi equals 3 and mercury doesn’t exist. That’ll go over well when you’re prepping for a tech career.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:33am

re: #322 Belafon

Remember Ben’s attempt to tell those school kids why their families were poor?

Yeah . Condescending little twit.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:54:33am

Apropos of anything Benny posts re: Jewishness.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:55:54am

re: #327 lawhawk

Apropos of anything Benny posts re: Jewishness.

[Embedded content]

Why the member of a party that loves Jews so much that they have one Jewish member in Congress of course!

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EmmaAnne  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:56:28am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Well the tricky question is how do you define that. However, if a student body has an issue with a speaker’s hate speech, I’m fine with them protesting it and bringing attention to the fact that speaker is hate filled.

I am also fine with student groups not wanting their student fees spent to pay for such speakers. If the college Republicans want to bring in Ann Coulter to speak to them, that is their privilege, but they can pay for her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:58:22am

re: #329 EmmaAnne

I am also fine with student groups not wanting their student fees spent to pay for such speakers. If the college Republicans want to bring in Ann Coulter to speak to them, that is their privilege, but they can pay for her.

Exactly. If the College R’s want to pool money together to get someone like Ann or whoever on campus, that’s fine but they should pay for her just if the College Dems were to get someone like that on the left.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 9:59:02am

There are plenty of things to discuss that are uncomfortable and people need to be exposed to them: Whether people are sexist or racist are two topics. On the other hand, speeches that are sexist or racist have no place in any discussion.

Edit: And Ben’s speech to those kids was racist.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:01:04am

As someone who’s gone back to school granted not on a full time basis since getting their BA. I think there’s a lot of mis- characterization of today’s college kids as intolerant. A lot of them are genuinely thoughtful kids. Perhaps some of them are a little over zealous with their views but I’d ask anyone who attacks them for that to consider where they were in 19-20 years old? I know I was a bit obnoxious in the prime of my politically interested years.

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BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:01:38am

And for anyone thinking that TRUMP has hurt himself in SC, latest polls show him up 17 points over Cruz, 27 over Rubio, etc. Oh, and Carson, who thinks SC will resurrect his campaign, is now at 7.3% (at one time in the distant past, he was at 23)

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Testy Toad T  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:02:20am

Welcome to Friday.

Get black kids off the street corners? Holy shit, Berns. Are you trying to see just how hard you can get me to pinch my nose in a voting booth?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:02:56am

re: #331 Belafon

There are plenty of things to discuss that are uncomfortable and people need to be exposed to them: Whether people are sexist or racist are two topics. On the other hand, speeches that are sexist or racist have no place in any discussion.

Shapiro’s speech honestly had no room being given to an entire high school assembly. Now if the school’s conservative chapter or whatever had raised enough money to fly Ben out there to get him to speak bully for them, I don’t know why they would want to hear such an arrogant little pissant speak but if he’s going to be giving an address to the entire school that insults a large amount of the student body than I think that principal was entirely within his rights to not allow it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:05:23am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

But one thing I am tired of is seeing college students scapegoated for “intolerance” and this bullshit revisionism about how in the past we “didn’t have PC run amok.” No we were a society that couldn’t even show for the longest time on television that couples shared the same bed because people were too prudish.

The hypocrisy of intolerant people demanding that their intolerance be tolerated is hard to swallow.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:06:03am

re: #336 Big Beautiful Door

The hypocrisy of intolerant people demanding that their intolerance be tolerated is hard to swallow.

How dare you be intolerant of my intolerance!

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allegro  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:12:13am

re: #334 Testy Toad T

Welcome to Friday.

Get black kids off the street corners? Holy shit, Berns. Are you trying to see just how hard you can get me to pinch my nose in a voting booth?

I think Bernie has led an insular life and speaks from an exclusively white middle class perspective. He has no idea that he’s bought into racist stereotypes and apparently has not done the work needed to recognize that. It’s why he can believe that all problems are economic in basis and that racism is a mere byproduct. It’s why he believes the answer to equal opportunity is free college tuition without any attention to K - 12 inequality in education.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:13:28am

re: #338 allegro

“I am not a single-issue candidate”

I damn near fell out of my chair in happiness. FUCKING THANK YOU.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:17:47am

re: #338 allegro

Think that’s unfair. Bernie has been involved in the civil rights movement, and he’s spent most of his life in public service. His statements regarding civil and equal rights have been, however, underwhelming, particularly since his position is that economic change will bring about affirmative civil rights/equal rights changes.

I think it’s a too narrow position for Bernie to take, but it’s one that resonates with people because many think first and foremost of their pocketbook. The schism between Wall Street and Main Street remains stark, so people think that they’re falling behind (and many are - especially as the rich continue to accumulate power and push for redistributing burdens on to everyone else while their wealth soars). People understand that this inequity is not good, and Bernie’s tapped into it (and so too has Trump, though Trump’s going full metal nutjob with blaming all the wrong people for what ails the nation).

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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:19:46am

OMG. I don’t go poking around in the past very much, but I thought I’d see what I posted in the month before I got hit (a period of time I don’t remember very well). This is a couple of days short of a month before the accident:

littlegreenfootballs.com

re: #17 Charles Johnson

My favorite test question: “If pedestrians enter the street, you should immediately accelerate toward them, to scare them and teach them a lesson. True or False?”

The local technique is to slow down, give the pedestrian an encouraging wave across, then accelerate.

I have no memories from the day of the accident.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:20:15am

re: #333 BeachDem

Is this the poll to which you refer?

One thing that is evident there, is that those who are declaring that the “establishment lane” must be cleared, i.e., only one of {Rubio, Bush, Kasich} be allowed to proceed, are still off, because adding the popularity of those three combined still do not beat Trump:

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:22:15am

re: #340 lawhawk

I think Sanders’ insulation in this case is similar to those that call for all of Texas to secede as they sit way outside of the South.

Edit: To elaborate, it’s real easy to abstract away people when you don’t see them very often. He needs to test his ideas against actual places. I mean, which places actually have (black) kids standing at street corners doing nothing?

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allegro  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:23:53am

re: #340 lawhawk

Think that’s unfair. Bernie has been involved in the civil rights movement, and he’s spent most of his life in public service. His statements regarding civil and equal rights have been, however, underwhelming, particularly since his position is that economic change will bring about affirmative civil rights/equal rights changes.

I think it’s a too narrow position for Bernie to take, but it’s one that resonates with people because many think first and foremost of their pocketbook. The schism between Wall Street and Main Street remains stark, so people think that they’re falling behind (and many are - especially as the rich continue to accumulate power and push for redistributing burdens on to everyone else while their wealth soars). People understand that this inequity is not good, and Bernie’s tapped into it (and so too has Trump, though Trump’s going full metal nutjob with blaming all the wrong people for what ails the nation).

I did not intend to imply malice to Bernie’s viewpoint, since I don’t believe it exists. I realize he participated in the civil rights movement back when - I just don’t see recognition that it isn’t a done deal yet. Perhaps it is his single issue pounding where most every question is given the same answer that gives me this impression.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:26:24am

I think with Bernie it’s sort of an ASD like obsession that economic inequality is the biggest problem facing our nation and if you fix that, you fix the other problems. The above is a problem but as I think the Clinton ad correctly gets at, there are other problems too.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:28:13am

8 African Americans… out of 779 Republicans in that poll.

Think about that, in light of the actual demographics of SC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:29:15am

re: #346 freetoken

8 African Americans… out of 779 Republicans in that poll.

Think about that, in light of the actual demographics of SC.

yeah, that is probably about how many black Republicans there are in SC…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:29:40am

re: #346 freetoken

8 African Americans… out of 779 Republicans in that poll.

Think about that, in light of the actual demographics of SC.

Yeah wow. Good eye.

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EPR-radar  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:29:44am

re: #344 allegro

I did not intend to imply malice to Bernie’s viewpoint, since I don’t believe it exists. I realize he participated in the civil rights movement back when - I just don’t see recognition that it isn’t a done deal yet. Perhaps it is his single issue pounding where most every question is given the same answer that gives me this impression.

I don’t see any single thing the Sanders campaign has done as being a show stopper on race issues. Instead it is an ongoing pattern of being too doctrinaire about bringing everything back to economic issues.

If nothing else, it is crystal clear that many people will vote against their economic interests in order to act on their race-based resentments (e.g., most of the Republican base). So the Sanders model fails right there as a grand unifying theory of US politics, even if it is true (as I believe) that the Republican base is usually being manipulated by a faction of the US plutocracy.

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freetoken  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:32:01am

Would I be jumping the shark if I suggested that the South Carolina Republican Primary is about who is most desired to be President of the Confederate States of America?

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gwangung  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:34:44am

re: #349 EPR-radar

I don’t see any single thing the Sanders campaign has done as being a show stopper on race issues. Instead it is an ongoing pattern of being too doctrinaire about bringing everything back to economic issues.

If nothing else, it is crystal clear that many people will vote against their economic interests in order to act on their race-based resentments (e.g., most of the Republican base). So the Sanders model fails right there as a grand unifying theory of US politics, even if it is true (as I believe) that the Republican base is usually being manipulated by a faction of the US plutocracy.

And given that a core component of the Democratic party are black voters, this approach unfairly snubs them. There are problems unique to the black community and Sanders approach doesn’t do much for them—-and many black voters rightfully feel slighted.

And, seriously, saying he’s going to be better than Obama on race relations using that argument is not something that’s going to endear him to the black community.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:34:45am

re: #349 EPR-radar

I think all of us are trying to point out (to Sanders) is that his attempts will fall significantly short of his goals if he only comes at the solutions from an economic angle. There will be people that will oppose him even if they were to benefit from his solution because those ‘others’ might benefit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:37:29am

The thing about Sanders’ total focus on economic inequality is that it’s going to open him up to numerous avenues of attack for the GOP if he should win the nomination. It’s not simply his blind spot on foreign policy, it’s largely how he seems to believe that everything will be solved and America will become the land of plenty if only we stick it to Wall St. But it’s not a magic bullet, putting bankers on trial or soaking the rich is not going to magically solve all the country’s problems, and insisting it will only make it clear the man is unable to cope with the complexities of those problems. And it’s made him tone deaf on issues that are important to the Dem base, like this nation’s ingrained racial bias, which is not going to be wiped away by taking young black kids off the street, as he intoned last night.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:39:27am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

I think with Bernie it’s sort of an ASD like obsession that economic inequality is the biggest problem facing our nation and if you fix that, you fix the other problems. The above is a problem but as I think the Clinton ad correctly gets at, there are other problems too.

Like I said last night - when you only have a hammer and sickle, everything looks like a class stuggle.

///

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BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:41:16am

re: #342 freetoken

Is this the poll to which you refer?

One thing that is evident there, is that those who are declaring that the “establishment lane” must be cleared, i.e., only one of {Rubio, Bush, Kasich} be allowed to proceed, are still off, because adding the popularity of those three combined still do not beat Trump:

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I was actually citing the RCP averaging, which included that one, another Feb. one and two end of January polls. Weird that there’s been no Dem polling in SC for more than 2 weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:41:30am

re: #350 freetoken

Would I be jumping the shark if I suggested that the South Carolina Republican Primary is about who is most desired to be President of the Confederate States of America?

Well I reckon Jefferson Davis has a higher approval rating among South Carolina than President Obama does…………

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:42:38am

re: #355 BeachDem

I was actually citing the RCP averaging, which included that one, another Feb. one and two end of January polls. Weird that there’s been no Dem polling in SC for more than 2 weeks.

It is weird and that’s something I really want to see. I want to see if Bernie’s showings in Iowa and New Hampshire have done anything especially with the African-American community. You got any insights as a South Carolina resident?

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:45:39am

re: #342 freetoken

A poll in SC where the number of African Americans polled is 8 out of 779 total? Yeah, that’ll be one heck of a valid poll.

Who got those eight votes? Well, glad you asked. According to the horse races (listed after question 12), those 8 votes seem to end up dividing out as 3/8 going to Trump, the rest split up.

As we know, any sample size that small can’t/shouldn’t be used to infer anything.

But we also know Trump will tout it as true support.

Count on it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:47:13am

Guys, I know we have a lot of family history buffs. I created a page. My first page in fact. Feel free to post anything or comment. Sorry shameless plug.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:47:57am

re: #358 lawhawk

A poll in SC where the number of African Americans polled is 8 out of 779 total? Yeah, that’ll be one heck of a valid poll.

Who got those eight votes? Well, glad you asked. According to the horse races (listed after question 12), those 8 votes seem to end up dividing out as 3/8 going to Trump, the rest split up.

As we know, any sample size that small can’t/shouldn’t be used to infer anything.

But we also know Trump will tout it as true support.

Count on it.

I’d consider that a small sample size for a school election. But yeah I totally expect him to do that.

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allegro  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:48:22am

re: #358 lawhawk

Trump: I have almost half of the black vote in SC! The blacks love me!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:48:27am

re: #358 lawhawk

A poll in SC where the number of African Americans polled is 8 out of 779 total? Yeah, that’ll be one heck of a valid poll.

Who got those eight votes? Well, glad you asked. According to the horse races (listed after question 12), those 8 votes seem to end up dividing out as 3/8 going to Trump, the rest split up.

As we know, any sample size that small can’t/shouldn’t be used to infer anything.

But we also know Trump will tout it as true support.

Count on it.

Well it could be valid for the Republican primary; there aren’t many African-American Republicans in the South any more since the neo-Confederates abandoned the Democrats for the GOP.

363
Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:48:44am

re: #353 Targetpractice

But it’s not a magic bullet, putting bankers on trial or soaking the rich is not going to magically solve all the country’s problems, and insisting it will only make it clear the man is unable to cope with the complexities of those problems.

Exactly.

364
BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:49:02am

re: #346 freetoken

8 African Americans… out of 779 Republicans in that poll.

Think about that, in light of the actual demographics of SC.

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

yeah, that is probably about how many black Republicans there are in SC…

OK—a bit off, but not by a whole lot…

When the 2012 Republican primary race came to South Carolina, a state that is 28 percent black, just 1 percent of the voters were black, according to exit polls. That was a year in which there was no Democratic primary and in a state where voters can cast ballots in either party’s primary.

365
Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:50:28am

re: #346 freetoken

8 African Americans… out of 779 Republicans in that poll.

Think about that, in light of the actual demographics of SC.

Think of it. A sample of 8 might be over-representing Black SC Republicans.

366
b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:50:56am

I hate my gut.
I’m in pain from some out of control IBS or something that I can treat with painkillers. Taking painkillers causes more pain in my stomach, so I’m just moving the pain around. I take Milk of Magnesia to easy the stomach pain, and it gives me the shits which makes the gut hurt worse.

Who the fuck designed these bodies? I want to sue.

367
BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:52:45am

re: #350 freetoken

Would I be jumping the shark if I suggested that the South Carolina Republican Primary is about who is most desired to be President of the Confederate States of America?

It seems to be based on who stokes their ANGER the best. I don’t know what the hell they’re so angry about—they have every state office, most of the legislature and most local offices, so if their lives are fucked up, it’s probably because Republicans fucked them over. But they’re so damn angry, they can barely contain themselves.

368
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:53:32am

re: #367 BeachDem

It seems to be based on who stokes their ANGER the best. I don’t know what the hell they’re so angry about—they have every state office, most of the legislature and most local offices, so if their lives are fucked up, it’s probably because Republicans fucked them over. But they’re so damn angry, they can barely contain themselves.

There must be something about the President that works them up, something…what could it be?

369
Amory Blaine  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:53:49am

re: #353 Targetpractice

The rich need to pay more. It isn’t soaking them. Wall street needs rules that are enforced.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:54:14am

re: #367 BeachDem

It seems to be based on who stokes their ANGER the best. I don’t know what the hell they’re so angry about….

That Yankee fort is still out there in the harbor.

371
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:55:33am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

That Yankee fort is still out there in the harbor.

Went on vacation to Charleston a few years ago and went out to Fort Sumter on the ferry.

372
wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:56:01am

re: #366 b_sharp

Who the fuck designed these bodies? I want to sue.

The blame pretty much spreads to the entire species. Do you have a lawyer yet? I’m thinking class action. Oh, wait….we’d need some class….

373
Amory Blaine  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:57:19am

Why can’t we grow new teeth? Wtf I want my tooth making pill damnit.

374
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:57:25am

Two 15 y.o. girls dead in the latest school shooting. Makes me sick.
yahoo.com

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:58:18am

re: #372 wrenchwench

The blame pretty much spreads to the entire species. Do you have a lawyer yet? I’m thinking class action. Oh, wait….we’d need some class….

We can probably buy some. I hear Trump sold all of his, so there must be some on the market.

376
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:58:26am

re: #374 Big Beautiful Door

Two 15 y.o. girls dead in the latest school shooting. Makes me sick.
yahoo.com

The story hints that it was a murder/suicide

377
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2016 • 10:59:21am

re: #366 b_sharp

I hate my gut.
I’m in pain from some out of control IBS or something that I can treat with painkillers. Taking painkillers causes more pain in my stomach, so I’m just moving the pain around. I take Milk of Magnesia to easy the stomach pain, and it gives me the shits which makes the gut hurt worse.

Who the fuck designed these bodies? I want to sue.

The human body, and its physiology and all are one of the primary reasons to NOT believe in intelligent design.

378
lawhawk  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:00:52am
Pass the popcorn

Yeah, they’re going there. The right wing will tear itself apart with this kind of crazy (that they personally cultivated, but hoped it would target everyone but the right).

379
wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:02:30am

re: #373 Amory Blaine

Why can’t we grow new teeth? Wtf I want my tooth making pill damnit.

Another opening for adult GMOs.

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calochortus  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:03:08am

re: #378 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

Yeah, they’re going there. The right wing will tear itself apart with this kind of crazy (that they personally cultivated, but hoped it would target everyone but the right).

And they have standing to bring this case how?

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BeachDem  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:03:15am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

It is weird and that’s something I really want to see. I want to see if Bernie’s showings in Iowa and New Hampshire have done anything especially with the African-American community. You got any insights as a South Carolina resident?

I’m mostly judging by active peeps I see on a regular basis. There are a lot of Bernie people here, but of the ones I know, a large percentage are white. (Many are older, which is surprising to me.) They have a ground game here, but I’m not sure they’re going about is as effectively or logically as the Hillary team is. The strongest Dem voting block here is older African Americans, and Hillary has a ton of surrogates canvassing, going to church groups, etc.

Some of the talk is tiresome—and I hear a whole lot more trash-talking from Bernie supporters than from Hillary peeps, both online and in person. Example, at a meeting last week with reps from both campaigns, a Hillary intern (young African American male) was there with his field rep. A Berniac went up to him and said, “You’re working for the wrong campaign.” I thought that was rude and obnoxious.

Wish the voting was tomorrow, so it would be over. And, having the primaries on two separate days is not helping. A local newscast just yesterday said that Feb. 20 is the day to vote. Arrggh. That’s the Repub primary—Dem is 2/27. But you know there will be some Dems who go on 2/20 and just say fuckit and vote in the Repub primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:04:04am

re: #378 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Image: Pass the popcornYeah, they’re going there. The right wing will tear itself apart with this kind of crazy (that they personally cultivated, but hoped it would target everyone but the right).

Because when the GOP leadership did not take the people to task who were making loud and unfounded allegations against Obama, they were unaware that these people would not stop there, they would continue to make any sort of outrageous claim that got them attention…

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:05:16am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:08:26am

re: #286 freetoken

America, 2016:

‘White guilt’ video kerfuffle: Should schools teach structural racism?

Here, you decide:

[Embedded content]

The whole reason they live in Glen Allen is to avoid the majority-black schools of Richmond.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:08:48am

re: #380 calochortus

And they have standing to bring this case how?

They don’t; all the birther lawsuits against Obama got dismissed. The only way to bring one of these cases is pursuant to a specific state law authorizing challenges to ballot eligibility; you can’t bring a suit to just enforce the Constitution in general.

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:20:05am

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

The human body, and its physiology and all are one of the primary reasons to NOT believe in intelligent design.

No kidding.

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #379 wrenchwench

Another opening for adult GMOs.

I want horns.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 12, 2016 • 11:55:44am

re: #366 b_sharp

As your doctor for Carafate if you take NSAIDs.

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b_sharp  Feb 12, 2016 • 12:04:14pm

re: #388 Eric The Fruit Bat

As your doctor for Carafate if you take NSAIDs.

Thanks.


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