In Which Charles Murray Defends Trump’s Racism with Class Warfare

Well, Nathan Bedford Forrest and Karl Marx were contemporaries
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It has not gone without widespread notice that Donald Trump explicitly (and implicitly) appeals to bigotry and xenophobia, yet this criticism has not appeared to slow down Trump’s support among the GOP primary process.

Support for Trump’s campaign from the think tanks of Republicanism has been limited, perhaps because the Republican elite are still enchanted by Marco Rubio, and a good share of the overtly Christian fundamentalists are drawn to Ted Cruz.

However, in Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, noted racist and American Enterprise Institute scholar Charles Murray defends Trump’s racist-politik:

Trump’s America

There’s nothing irrational about Donald Trump’s appeal to the white working class, writes Charles Murray: they have every reason to be angry

Murray tries something quite slick here:

[…]

White working-class males were the archetypal “Reagan Democrats” in the early 1980s and are often described as the core of support for Mr. Trump. But the grievances of this group are often misunderstood. It is a mistake to suggest that they are lashing out irrationally against people who don’t look like themselves. There are certainly elements of racism and xenophobia in Trumpism, as I myself have discovered on Twitter and Facebook after writing critically about Mr. Trump.

But the central truth of Trumpism as a phenomenon is that the entire American working class has legitimate reasons to be angry at the ruling class. During the past half-century of economic growth, virtually none of the rewards have gone to the working class. The economists can supply caveats and refinements to that statement, but the bottom line is stark: The real family income of people in the bottom half of the income distribution hasn’t increased since the late 1960s.

[…]

First, Murray is asserting that it’s the Trump supporters who are the racists, in opposition to himself (Murray).

Murray is doing a kind of triangulating in this article, putting himself at a midway point between those racist Trump supporters on twitter, and the “elite” in our society.

But then in the second paragraph I quoted above Murray basically mimics Bernie Sanders. Murray’s assertions there are no different than Sanders’ often heard campaign arguments, regarding the inequality of economics in contemporary America.

In this article, Murray uses “class” (or a derivative) over 30 times. Noticeable, and repetitive, is the language.

Please understand what those of the ilk of Murray are trying to do: they are wrapping the bitter taste of racism with a thin, sweet coating of borrowed-from-socialism concern for the lower classes.

Despite Murray’s attempt at moving the tar-baby of racism onto Trump’s online supporters, Murray seems quite concerned about “white” males, and about some mythical (as far as I am concerned) traditional American “creed” that harkens back to the 18th century (when only white males could vote.)

Murray is not a big Trump supporter, which I gather comes mostly from a personality clash. Murray doesn’t disagree with the bigoted goals Trump has championed in his campaigning (which in Trump’s case is more noticeably against Mexicans than African Americans), clearly, but instead Murray tries to justify the essentialism of Trump by constant appeals to alleged grievances of “white” males.

This idea that one can cover up racist-essentialism with a large enough lexicon is what separates Murray from Trump supporters, many of whom probably do not know what a “lexicon” is in the first place.

It’s all very deceptive. Clearly this article is just another dog whistle.

And the target readers of the WSJ heard that whistle. Here’s an early comment to Murray’s article:

JIM SHULER 2 minutes ago
For many this country has to be changed. For blacks like Obama he is resentful that some smart white men were able to form and build this wonderful nation.

For liberal women, the fact that a bunch of smart white men designed and founded this country.

That are the reasons liberals hate this country. It is because they are selfish petty people that can’t stand to give the white men the credit they deserve.

As Trump scores more success in the primaries, I suspect there will be more writers rationalizing the ominous clouds of the bigotry Trump is cheerleading.

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207 comments
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EPR-radar  Feb 13, 2016 • 2:02:33pm

Charles Murray is so eager to engage in his racist dog-whistling that he deviates from conservative orthodoxy very significantly here.

1) He uses class-based language.

2) He admits the existence of the ruling class.

3) He admits the fact of rising economic inequality, and

4) He views this inequality as a problem.

The WSJ party line on these points is exactly opposite: 1) Class based language is not to be used, 2) there is no ruling class in the US, 3) there is no rise in income inequality in the US, and 4) even if there is a ruling class and rising inequality, both rich and poor are getting what they deserve.

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Mattand  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:03:56am

“Yeah, sure, some of Trump’s positions, as well, as his supporters, are incredible racist. But never mind that LOOK SQUIRREL!”

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:05:16am

He has to deviate from orthodoxy to distinguish between conservatism as a whole and Trumpism which he now can conveniently hang overt loud and proud racism on.

But he’s flailing.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:06:44am

You should mention there that Charles Murray co-wrote The Bell Curve, which posits that race determines one’s lot in life for genetic reasons.

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:06:49am

Just a good reminder that that national “socialism” happily used the language of the proletariat to help them steal power in Germany. Once in power, those elements were purged as quickly as possible.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:09:16am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:13:09am

Time to dig up this oldie but goodie:

Charles Murray
AUTHOR OF THE BELL CURVE; SCHOLAR AT THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE

Charles Murray is one of the most influential right-wing ideological architects of the post-Reagan era. His career began in a secret Pentagon counterinsurgency operation in rural Thailand during the Vietnam War, a program whose stated purpose included applying counter-insurgency strategies tested in rural Thailand to America’s own restive inner cities and minority populations. By the late 1970s, Charles Murray was drawing up plans for the US Justice Department that called for massively increasing incarceration rates. In the 1980s, backed by an unprecedented marketing campaign, Murray suddenly emerged as the nation’s most powerful advocate for abolishing welfare programs for single mothers. Since then, Murray revived discredited racist eugenics theories “proving” that blacks and Latinos are genetically inferior to whites, and today argues that the lower classes are inferior to the upper classes due to breeding differences.

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[deleted]  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:14:16am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:17:47am

re: #8 whitebeach

NOT FUNNY.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:20:35am

re: #7 Eric The Fruit Bat

Rage Furby has often noted that The Bell Curve changed his life. The verdict is still out whether that was a good thing or not.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:20:43am

Excusing the racism. That’s what Murray’s doing. And giving it “intellectual” underpinnings; the same kind of nonsense that NRO does.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:21:04am

And just in time, Rod Dreher is pushing this same line from his ol’ buddy Charles Murray:

Murray says that is undeniable that racism and xenophobia informs a part of Trumpism. If you think that’s all it is, though, you’re missing the forest for the trees:

But the central truth of Trumpism as a phenomenon is that the entire American working class has legitimate reasons to be angry at the ruling class. During the past half-century of economic growth, virtually none of the rewards have gone to the working class. The economists can supply caveats and refinements to that statement, but the bottom line is stark: The real family income of people in the bottom half of the income distribution hasn’t increased since the late 1960s.

During the same half-century, American corporations exported millions of manufacturing jobs, which were among the best-paying working-class jobs. They were and are predominantly men’s jobs. In both 1968 and 2015, 70% of manufacturing jobs were held by males.

Read the whole thing.

I don’t fully agree with Murray. He’s a libertarian, and quite possibly for that reason dismisses cultural factors leading to working class decline (e.g., the loss of strong communal norms and expectations post-1960s). He also can’t bring himself to violate other libertarian orthodoxies about how government policy could ameliorate the living conditions of that beleaguered working class.

So, Murray doesn’t blame the “poors” for bad morals, low culture and their nominalist philosophy enough for Rod’s taste. Oh, and the poors can have a hand out because Rod’s church does that much at least.

Other than that, Murray is rockin’ it over at the The American Conservative where Race Realism and Steve Sailor rule the day!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:21:45am

re: #8 whitebeach

Oh shit, it just hit me: Did anybody remember to walk Clarence Thomas and put some kibble in his bowl this morning?

You really need to go back and change that. A lot.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:26:08am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:27:04am

“The Republican conference intends to restore the principle that, regardless of party, any President’s judicial nominees, after full debate, deserve a simple up-or-down vote.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:31:50am

re: #14 jaunte

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Well, that is Mitch before Obama. Everything changed for Mitch once there was Obama.

Like his ability to be reasonable, truthful, dignified, etc.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:33:06am

re: #16 ObserverArt

“Principles” è mobile.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:34:27am

re: #16 ObserverArt

Well, that is Mitch before Obama. Everything changed for Mitch once there was Obama.

Like his ability to be reasonable, truthful, dignified, etc.

Like his reverence for the Constitution, especially that 3/5 clause.

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Jayleia  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:34:55am

re: #16 ObserverArt

Objection! Assumes qualities not in evidence pre-Obama.

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:35:04am

Damn, Freetoken, this is the type of logical analysis I come to LGF to see.

Well done my friend.

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Teukka  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:35:29am

Off-topic, but the music world has had a loss:

BBC News: Viola Beach killed in car crash in Sweden

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:35:46am

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Looking at how the Rage Furby runs his mouth off and the way he lives, he seems to have bought into it. Too bad that reality will come crashing down on him sooner than he may think. If he hasn’t retracted his pro se lawsuit against Gawker that’ll be one bell that can’t be un-rung.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:36:01am

Good night from the UTC+8 time zone. See you all later on.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:36:14am

re: #21 Teukka

Off-topic, but the music world has had a loss:

BBC News: Viola Beach killed in car crash in Sweden

Damn. The whole band.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:37:20am

re: #22 Eric The Fruit Bat

Looking at how the Rage Furby runs his mouth off and the way he lives, he seems to have bought into it. Too bad that reality will come crashing down on him sooner than he may think. If he hasn’t retracted his pro se lawsuit against Gawker that’ll be one bell that can’t be un-rung.

He can’t back down. His internal perception of himself will not allow for that.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:39:51am

I wonder if Obama could make a recess appointment of some extremely left wing judge to the SC (with the shiny new justice understanding that it is likely a temporary gig) and then nominate a moderate for the permanent replacement?
The GOP would have to decide whether to accept some liberal results in important cases in the hopes of winning the 2016 elections, or accept reality and have a moderate on the court for years to come.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:40:52am

re: #9 Eric The Fruit Bat

NOT FUNNY.

Not meant to be funny. Meant to express a nasty little piece of truth.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:41:54am

re: #26 calochortus

As we saw with the NLRB, the SCOTUS (heh) has severely restricted when a black president can consider congress at recess. Trying to find that window would be hard under normal circumstances.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:42:56am

re: #28 Belafon

As we saw with the NLRB, the SCOTUS (heh) has severely restricted when a black president can consider congress at recess. Trying to find that window would be hard under normal circumstances.

You’re probably right. I’m sure the Senate will not be in recess ever again.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:44:02am

re: #27 whitebeach

What nasty little piece of truth is that?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:46:49am

re: #26 calochortus

I wonder if Obama could make a recess appointment of some extremely left wing judge to the SC (with the shiny new justice understanding that it is likely a temporary gig) and then nominate a moderate for the permanent replacement?
The GOP would have to decide whether to accept some liberal results in important cases in the hopes of winning the 2016 elections, or accept reality and have a moderate on the court for years to come.

The Senate no longer goes into recess in order to prevent the President from making recess appointments.

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WhatEVs  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:51:46am

Happy V Day to all my friends.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:54:28am

Class resentment is the lubricant of the Trumpfmobile. Xenophobia is the fuel.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 8:57:15am

re: #30 SoundGuy 2016

What nasty little piece of truth is that?

That Thomas has essentially been Scalia’s loyal lap dog throughout their time together on the Court. That Thomas has consistently toenail-tapped on the pseudointellectual linoleum laid down by Scalia. That he must now be lost and lorn, wondering where his next rationalization for crapping on people will come from.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:00:16am

I think Thomas is his own, incurious, man.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:01:51am

Naturally I don’t have personal knowledge, but I have read that Thomas actually is far more forthcoming about opinions in private. He just never asks questions in court.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:04:07am

Ya lie down with dogs…..

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:05:35am

re: #34 whitebeach

That’s so much better than dehumanizing a man as a dog. A flawed and contemptible man, but a man.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:06:12am

re: #33 Decatur Deb

Class resentment is the lubricant of the Trumpfmobile. Xenophobia is the fuel.

Just like the real modern versions of both, they have been synthesized and now only contain the purest forms of each along with new additives.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:09:20am

re: #14 jaunte

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:10:28am

I’ll just leave this right here for Mitch:

Obama in Office Countdown Clock

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:10:49am

re: #24 Aunty Entity Dragon

Damn. The whole band.

Oh, my. That’s horrible.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:10:53am

re: #34 whitebeach

That Thomas has essentially been Scalia’s loyal lap dog throughout their time together on the Court. That Thomas has consistently toenail-tapped on the pseudointellectual linoleum laid down by Scalia. That he must now be lost and lorn, wondering where his next rationalization for crapping on people will come from.

No. Slappy Thomas has always let the Koch Brothers pull his strings. He’ll continue to be their puppet.

Obama should nominate Biden to replace Scalia and dare the Senate to reject him by saying that if they do, he’ll continue to nominate people further to the left like Goodwin Liu (stopped by Sessions), Caitlin Halligan (Stopped by Grassley) and then kick it up a notch by nominating Elizabeth Warren.

Obama could also threaten to veto the next appropriation bill for Congressional operations. He could even threaten to veto the appropriation bill for the courts.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:13:08am

Lest we forget, JJ McNab and the Oreagon newsies have continuing reports re the Battle of Fort Dildo.

twitter.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:13:32am

re: #40 ausador

The GOP is on record that they won’t have hearings or vote, and there’s a metric shitton of lower tier judges who haven’t been approved. Nothing short of a meteor hitting the Senate will get those racists to move.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:14:49am

re: #42 makeitstop

Oh, my. That’s horrible.

Don’t know if police will be able to figure out why they drove through a closed barrier at a rising drawbridge and into the canal. All four band members and their manager. :(

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Teukka  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:16:38am

re: #46 ausador

Don’t know if police will be able to figure out why they drove through a closed barrier at a rising drawbridge and into the canal. All four band members and their manager. :(

Two sets of barriers and red lights.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:17:14am

Fits in more ways than one…

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:18:07am

For Libertarians the principle always comes first then the reasoning. The poor can’t be poor because of society, because that would mean society is obligated to help them, which is a priori impossible. Hence they are poor because they are inherently inferior - the results are the “proof”. See “The Bell Curve”.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:18:53am

re: #43 Joe Bacon

None of which is something the president would do. He has too much respect for the judiciary to hold up appropriations.

What he would do is pick someone who is well qualified for the Court, and simply hold the GOP responsible for any delays in a confirmation battle.

He’s likely to pick someone who had been previously confirmed - and by overwhelming margins at that.

He’ll also indicate that if the GOP intends and succeeds in blocking the nomination, they are going to pursue a scorched earth policy that will only end badly for the GOP. Watch for the president to bolster every Democrat running against GOPers currently up for reelection in blue/purple states, so that the Democrats could flip the Senate back.

Because nothing says obstructionism like President Clinton or President Sanders. And they will then get to nominate the replacement for Scalia (and likely RBG). Kennedy and Thomas wouldn’t be far behind too.

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Jenner7  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:19:46am

Good morning, Lizards.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:20:25am

Article at SCOTUS Blog is very good.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:20:54am

re: #21 Teukka

Off-topic, but the music world has had a loss:

BBC News: Viola Beach killed in car crash in Sweden

I am not familiar with the band, but that is a really sad news story. Damn. I wonder if fatigue from late nights added to it.

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Lidane  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:23:07am

This asshole:

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:24:18am

I think it should be Srinivasan. A moderate, approved unanimously by the Senate before. There would be no excuse for the GOP refusing to appoint him, and the independents will hold the GOP accountable if they do.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:25:05am

re: #54 Lidane

Constitutional Asshole is not constitutional.

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Teukka  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:25:45am

re: #53 ObserverArt

I am not familiar with the band, but that is a really sad news story. Damn. I wonder if fatigue from late nights added to it.

That is much qualified hunch. They drove through two sets of barriers and a set of red warning/stop lights and signage which leave very little to the imagination.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:26:15am
Hill agreed to take a polygraph test. The results supported the veracity of her statements;[16] Thomas declined the test. He made a vehement and complete denial, saying that he was being subjected to a “high-tech lynching for uppity blacks” by white liberals who were seeking to block a black conservative from taking a seat on the Supreme Court.[17][18] After extensive debate, the United States Senate confirmed Thomas to the Supreme Court by a vote of 52-48, the narrowest margin since the 19th century.[14][19]
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:26:16am

re: #54 Lidane

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:26:34am

re: #38 SoundGuy 2016

That’s so much better than dehumanizing a man as a dog. A flawed and contemptible man, but a man.

Actually the comment you here approve of says almost exactly what the one you and others disliked said, except that it is a little less succinct and less striking. Metaphors, how the fuck do they work? If you thought that I was literally dehumanizing Thomas as a dog, then you must be deeply upset at the countless comments here that refer to actual human beings as assholes etc.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:28:09am

re: #54 Lidane

This asshole:

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I heard him say that on MTP. They wanted to wait the last election too to see if there was a public reaction to Obamacare and Obama overall. They got beat.

Hopefully they get hammered this time. It needs to be a huge defeat. But, they are so entrenched in their thinking, I doubt even a royal ass kicking changes anything.

Only hope left for both parties is for the Republicans to lose complete control of both houses of congress and be forced to look inward at their party.

If they maintain the house and lose the senate I doubt they change, they will still have the hope they can wait until the next cycle. On and on it goes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:28:51am

re: #54 Lidane

This asshole:

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We already did that, Ted. Twice.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:31:00am

re: #60 whitebeach

You should stop.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:31:58am

re: #46 ausador

Don’t know if police will be able to figure out why they drove through a closed barrier at a rising drawbridge and into the canal. All four band members and their manager. :(

Maybe in a hurry to get to the next date. I’ve been in that situation and have taken chances in order to meet schedule.

Tragic.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:32:07am

re: #45 Eric The Fruit Bat

The GOP is on record that they won’t have hearings or vote, and there’s a metric shitton of lower tier judges who haven’t been approved. Nothing short of a meteor hitting the Senate will get those racists to move.

True: President Obama has (IIRC) had a larger number/percentage of judicial appointments held up than any other President. But I think there’s a big difference between leaving a vacancy or two on obscure lower courts - and let’s be honest, the workings of the Federal Court system are obscure to almost all of the public outside the legal profession - and the SCOTUS. The Supreme Court, as the ultimate arbiter of the law in this country, is front-and-center in the news all the time: and positions on the Court are (nowadays) as much a political as a judicial consideration. AND - it’s an election year. I have no doubt that Sen. McConnell (hypocritical past statements notwithstanding) and every other Republican - in or out of Congress - will do their damnedest to sandbag ANY nomination of Obama’s just for spite. And sadly, I can’t see much of a (Constitutional) way around them. Though I’m sure if there is, Harry Reid will come up with it…

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:32:23am

re: #63 SoundGuy 2016

You should stop.

Please explain.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:34:08am

I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet in all of the discussion about Scalia’s replacement - until that seat is filled, the fact that there isn’t a full nine members sitting on the Supreme Court isn’t the only court business that will be impacted.

Also, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals (assigned to courts in the south-central US - including the areas covering Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans) will be without a Circuit Justice. This means that any emergency motions that come from those courts don’t get addressed in a timely fashion.
From the wiki page describing the duties:

Today, the Circuit Justice for each circuit is responsible for dealing with certain types of applications that, under the Court’s rules, may be addressed by a single Justice. These include applications for emergency stays (including stays of execution in death-penalty cases) and injunctions pursuant to the All Writs Act arising from cases within that circuit, as well as routine requests such as requests for extensions of time. In the past, Circuit Justices also sometimes ruled on motions for bail in criminal cases, writs of habeas corpus, and applications for writs of error granting permission to appeal. Ordinarily, a Justice will resolve such an application by simply endorsing it “Granted” or “Denied” or entering a standard form of order. However, the Justice may elect to write an opinion—referred to as an in-chambers opinion—in such matters if he or she wishes.

If Republicans get their way, there will be no one to handle these duties for what may amount to a full year and a half.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:35:37am

These are the Senators who are either running for reelection or their seats are up for grabs due to retirement (or running for the WH and being incapable of running for two offices on same ballot - Rubio).

What’d be hilarious is that not only does Rubio not win the nomination, and doesn’t even sniff at the WH except on the tour, but his seat flips to a Democrat.

There’s a handful of blue/purple seats up for grabs, and the Senate composition clearly matters as witnessed by GOP obstructionists like Cruz.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:39:12am

re: #66 whitebeach

Explain how a common pejorative of calling somebody an asshole is entirely different than imagery of a man, especially a black man, being a dog?

Are you fucking serious?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:40:57am

Well, have to give Trump some credit, broken watch right twice a day, etc. Very ballsy to violate the 12th GOP Commandment by ripping the idea that George W Bush Kept Us Safe.

Not to wallow in the past, but since they brought it up, how the hell did ‘George W Bush Kept Us Safe’ become accepted Wisdom?

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:44:08am

re: #70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not to wallow in the past, but since they brought it up, how the hell did ‘George W Bush Kept Us Safe’ become accepted Wisdom?

The power of incessant repetition, accomplished with a complicit media.

It was the GOP mantra during W’s re-election bid.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:44:24am

November 2016: GOP Demands President-Elect Hillary Clinton not appoint Scalia replacement.

Mark Halperin whines that the “mainstream” media will undoubtedly side with Hillary Clinton in this dispute.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:45:48am

re: #72 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

November 2016: GOP Demands President-Elect Hillary Clinton not appoint Scalia replacement.

Mark Halperin whines that the “mainstream” media will undoubtedly side with Hillary Clinton in this dispute.

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She’s being divisive! :/

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:45:54am

re: #70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because there weren’t the follow on attacks everyone worried about after 9/11. That’s where it comes from.

The reality is that there were multiple breakdowns by the Bush Admin, failure to follow up on Bill Clinton’s administration issues (and failure to take out OBL when the situation presented itself), but those kinds of issues don’t fit neatly into a soundbite.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:46:05am
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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:46:27am

re: #70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Not to wallow in the past, but since they brought it up, how the hell did ‘George W Bush Kept Us Safe’ become accepted Wisdom?

Apparently, because Al Qaeda was only able to pull off a 9/11-level attack just once?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:46:49am

Damn good page.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:46:57am

re: #49 BlueSpotinAL

For Libertarians the principle always comes first then the reasoning. The poor can’t be poor because of society, because that would mean society is obligated to help them, which is a priori impossible. Hence they are poor because they are inherently inferior - the results are the “proof”. See “The Bell Curve”.

I also suspect it is because poverty due to cultural forces negates their idea of freedom.

To the anarchists, I mean libertarians, freedom is about choices. In a free world a person can make any decision they want and with will along with hard work that decision becomes a reality.

So, in the anarchists world view, poverty is a choice.

If it isn’t a choice, if cultural forces make a person poor, then there is no such thing as freedom.

Yeah, it makes no sense at all but to the anarchists, with their black and white perspective, it makes perfect sense. Absolute freedom or absolute tyranny.

It’s easier than thinking and absolves them of any responsibility for the well being of others. Which is what anarchy, I mean libertarianism, is all about.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:47:09am

re: #70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well, have to give Trump some credit, broken watch right twice a day, etc. Very ballsy to violate the 12th GOP Commandment by ripping the idea that George W Bush Kept Us Safe.

Not to wallow in the past, but since they brought it up, how the hell did ‘George W Bush Kept Us Safe’ become accepted Wisdom?

Right I’m so sick of that lie. Do the Republicans who buy that tripe think they would have been charitable to Gore or Obama had 9/11 happened on their presidency.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:48:15am

re: #70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well, have to give Trump some credit, broken watch right twice a day, etc. Very ballsy to violate the 12th GOP Commandment by ripping the idea that George W Bush Kept Us Safe.

Not to wallow in the past, but since they brought it up, how the hell did ‘George W Bush Kept Us Safe’ become accepted Wisdom?

Constant repetition. See also Lie, The Big.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:48:38am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Right I’m so sick of that lie. Do the Republicans who buy that tripe think they would have been charitable to Gore or Obama had 9/11 happened on their presidency.

Gore would have been impeached.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:49:21am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

She’s being divisive! :/

Don’t you get the impression that what the Republicans really want is to eliminate any and all opposition. Then everyone should just sit down, shut up take what is coming to you.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:50:12am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:50:17am

re: #81 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Gore would have been impeached.

No kidding.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:50:19am

Obama wants to ram his SCOTUS nominees down are throateses!!!!!1

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:51:31am

re: #83 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Yeah Luntz was pretty unhappy with the debate. He’s not accepting the party line on this.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:51:59am

re: #83 Eric The Fruit Bat

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He helped build that.
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:52:10am

re: #74 lawhawk

Because there weren’t the follow on attacks everyone worried about after 9/11. That’s where it comes from.

The reality is that there were multiple breakdowns by the Bush Admin, failure to follow up on Bill Clinton’s administration issues (and failure to take out OBL when the situation presented itself), but those kinds of issues don’t fit neatly into a soundbite.

Marco Robotio was complaining Clinton didn’t kill Bin Laden. I note how he made no mention that neither did Bush, but Obama did.

Funny that. I guess there are big periods of factual history we should ignore because it fits Marco world.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:53:01am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:53:16am

“…I’ve been in a roomful of six-year-old girls trying to organize themselves into an unrehearsed singing and dance performance, so I consider myself something of an expert on total and complete chaos. Saturday night’s Republican presidential debate set a new standard.”

rollingstone.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:54:21am

re: #88 ObserverArt

Marco Robotio was complaining Clinton didn’t kill Bin Laden. I note how he made no mention that neither did Bush, but Obama did.

Funny that. I guess there are big periods of factual history we should ignore because it fits Marco world.

Of course RubIOS isn’t programmed to praise Obama in any way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:55:40am

re: #89 lawhawk

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Right. Halperin just can’t help but to be a hack given his lack of respect for the President.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:56:37am

re: #66 whitebeach

Please explain.

Kinda confused personally, the only place I ever heard whitebeach used as a word was in prison. Whitebeach was the part of the yard reserved for whites only. Not saying that is in any way your intention towards your screen name. But when using that name I’d be extra careful about making comments that could be interpreted as racist.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:58:03am

re: #90 jaunte

Ben Carson looked genuinely confused…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:58:59am

Everybody enjoys the trolling by “I’m here to give a fuck and kick ass, and I’m all out of fucks” Obama. However, ideas of nominating big liberal celebrity names are silly. Obama needs to pick a qualified, experienced choice with impeccable credentials, and let the GOP smash itself to bits on that rock. It’s self-evidently the right thing to do for the country, and it’s also smart politically.

I don’t know much about the judicial world as I should, but it seems a shame Richard Posner isn’t interested. A scholastic mind is a rare thing these days.

Politico has a story up on potential choices so I’ve got some reading to do.

re: #54 Lidane

This asshole:

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Evil.

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:00:21am

Real Clear Politics current South Carolina poll #s (I know they sometimes cherry-pick polls, but there have really only been a few in South Carolina this month)
Hillary up 31.4 over Bernie
62.7 to 31.2

Trump up 20 over Cruz; 23 over Rubio;
Trump 37
Cruz 17
Rubio 14.3
Kasich and Bush around 10
Carson, napping

These are through 2/13, so don’t reflect the debate, but I don’t think that will hurt Trump here in South by Dog Carolina—remember, after dissing the Bush in Iraq strategy, SC chose Newt in 2012.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:03:06am

re: #95 Pawn of the Oppressor

Everybody enjoys the trolling by “I’m here to give a fuck and kick ass, and I’m all out of fucks” Obama. However, ideas of nominating big liberal celebrity names are silly. Obama needs to pick a qualified, experienced choice with impeccable credentials, and let the GOP smash itself to bits on that rock. It’s self-evidently the right thing to do for the country, and it’s also smart politically.

I don’t know much about the judicial world as I should, but it seems a shame Richard Posner isn’t interested. A scholastic mind is a rare thing these days.

Politico has a story up on potential choices so I’ve got some reading to do.

Evil.

I lke a lot of those potential choices. Diverse backgrounds, qualified, and reasonable minded. I’m confident Obama will make a smart choice for the job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:03:50am

re: #96 BeachDem

Real Clear Politics current South Carolina poll #s (I know they sometimes cherry-pick polls, but there have really only been a few in South Carolina this month)
Hillary up 31.4 over Bernie
62.7 to 31.2

Trump up 20 over Cruz; 23 over Rubio;
Trump 37
Cruz 17
Rubio 14.3
Kasich and Bush around 10
Carson, napping

These are through 2/13, so don’t reflect the debate, but I don’t think that will hurt Trump here in South by Dog Carolina—remember, after dissing the Bush in Iraq strategy, SC chose Newt in 2012.

It’s not the first time he’s criticized Bush’s iraq strategy either. I don’t see it hurting him really either.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:04:07am

re: #93 ausador

I was awaiting to ask that question if the convo continued.

But I’d rather talk about neocons suddenly wanting Obama to not do his job.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:04:31am

Meanwhile, in LIberterian Dreamland:

Indeed, President Obama isn’t even entitled to nominate a replacement for Justice Scalia-or at least, Congress can deny him that right. The Constitution gives Congress the power to decide how many seats there are on the Supreme Court. In 1789, there were only six. Given sufficient congressional support (i.e., veto-proof majorities in both chambers), Congress could reduce the number of Supreme Court justices from the current nine to eight. McConnell, Cruz, and Rubio could propose doing so right now. It seems strange to criticize senators who are merely expressing in what circumstances they will withhold their consent when Congress has the power to deny the president the ability to fill this vacancy entirely by itself eliminating this vacancy.

Seems like a chunk in CATO is siding with the Suicide Caucus:

Which is all the more reason that in this hazy, crazy, bizarre election year, his seat should remain vacant until the American people can decide whether they want to swing the balance of the Supreme Court, possibly for decades. For Scalia is one of four conservatives on the Court, who, when joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, form a majority that has been crucial for enforcing the First and Second Amendments, federalism, the separation of powers, and other constitutional protections for individual liberty.

If he’s replaced by a progressive jurist—or even a “moderate” one—all that comes crashing down and there will be no further check on the sorts of executive abuses that have only increased under a president who thinks that when Congress doesn’t act on his priorities, he somehow gets the authority to enact them regardless. (And many criminal-procedure cases—regarding the Fourth Amendment protection against warrantless searches and the Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses, for example—feature heterodox coalitions of the more principled justices against the more pragmatic ones, so a centrist would be bad there too.)

In other words, this is one of the rare instances where I agree with a strategy laid out by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley, namely not to consider any nominee until after the presidential election. To put a finer point on it, given how consequential Justice Scalia’s replacement will be, it would be irresponsible for the Senate to confirm any nominee President Obama may send them.

How ironic that Mr. Shapiro seems to have a hard-on for Obama’s so-called ‘executive overreach’ when it was Shrub that laid the foundation-I’ll have to go back and check and see if Mr. Shapiro was as whiny then as he is now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:06:30am

re: #99 SoundGuy 2016

I was awaiting to ask that question if the convo continued.

But I’d rather talk about neocons suddenly wanting Obama to not do his job.

I think that’s the thing that amuses me the most. Time and time again we hear from Republicans that Obama isn’t doing his job and now here he is planning to do one of very unique responsibilities he has President and that’s to appoint Supreme Court judges. I’d like to remind Cruz what happens if there is a tie, hope Ted, Mitch, Lindsay, and friends enjoy the prospect of more liberal circuit courts having their rulings upheld in the event of ties.

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:06:46am

With the emotional investment GOP voters have in specific candidates, I doubt very much if the debates will make much of a difference. The conservative fans of these candidates will simply rationalize who to love & who to hate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:08:18am

re: #100 Eric The Fruit Bat

Meanwhile, in LIberterian Dreamland:

Seems like a chunk in CATO is siding with the Suicide Caucus:

How ironic that Mr. Shapiro seems to have a hard-on for Obama’s so-called ‘executive overreach’ when it was Shrub that laid the foundation-I’ll have to go back and check and see if Mr. Shapiro was as whiny then as he is now.

Holy fuck my brain hurts from that exercise in desperate derp. There is no legitimate reason to deny President Obama the ability to choose Justice Scalia’s successor. The only reason why is because conservatives are scared shitless that we may actually have a court that isn’t right wing for the first time since Earl Warren was CJ in the late 60’s.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:08:23am

I’m glad conservatives are boxing themselves into another obstructionist position. Please proceed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:08:57am

re: #102 b_sharp

With the emotional investment GOP voters have in specific candidates, I doubt very much if the debates will make much of a difference. The conservative fans of these candidates will simply rationalize who to love & who to hate.

Right, I think at this point, most of the voters have made up their mind how they feel about certain candidates especially those who watch the debates.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:09:16am

re: #104 Amory Blaine

I’m glad conservatives are boxing themselves into another obstructionist position. Please proceed.

Win-win situation for the Dems I think.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:10:17am
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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:10:40am

Make them justify their position through months and months of obstruction right before an election. They really are the party of stupid.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:11:05am

They’re flailing. It matters not one whit about what Obama wants, his rights, what liberals or conservatives or the American people want.

It’s POTUS’ job to nominate a replacement SCOTUS. Now. Which he should.

Then the Congress Kids can obstruct.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:11:19am

re: #65 Jay C

True: President Obama has (IIRC) had a larger number/percentage of judicial appointments held up than any other President. But I think there’s a big difference between leaving a vacancy or two on obscure lower courts - and let’s be honest, the workings of the Federal Court system are obscure to almost all of the public outside the legal profession - and the SCOTUS. The Supreme Court, as the ultimate arbiter of the law in this country, is front-and-center in the news all the time: and positions on the Court are (nowadays) as much a political as a judicial consideration. AND - it’s an election year. I have no doubt that Sen. McConnell (hypocritical past statements notwithstanding) and every other Republican - in or out of Congress - will do their damnedest to sandbag ANY nomination of Obama’s just for spite. And sadly, I can’t see much of a (Constitutional) way around them. Though I’m sure if there is, Harry Reid will come up with it…

Some of the vacancies are in the DC Court of Appeals…which is not obscure. Obama tried to fill existing vacancies and was charged with “court packing”. The GOP actually tried to say the vacancies should be ignored and the court continually allowed to dwindle (until they got back into office)

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:12:24am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Win-win situation for the Dems I think.

Except for that very soon the entire MSM will be on the ‘Obama should wait’ train (except for Rachel Maddow), so too many people aren’t going to see this as obstruction. It should be a Dem win-win, but I’m afraid it’s going to suck instead.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:13:25am

re: #100 Eric The Fruit Bat

Meanwhile, in LIberterian Dreamland:

Seems like a chunk in CATO is siding with the Suicide Caucus:

How ironic that Mr. Shapiro seems to have a hard-on for Obama’s so-called ‘executive overreach’ when it was Shrub that laid the foundation-I’ll have to go back and check and see if Mr. Shapiro was as whiny then as he is now.

Yeah, CATO person, when Congress passes a law reducing the size of the SCOTUS, you can make that argument, but right now, it requires nine people.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:14:14am

CATO seem unaware of what happens with a tie…

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:15:02am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Holy fuck my brain hurts from that exercise in desperate derp. There is no legitimate reason to deny President Obama the ability to choose Justice Scalia’s successor. The only reason why is because conservatives are scared shitless that we may actually have a court that isn’t right wing for the first time since Earl Warren was CJ in the late 60’s.

They only want him to be 3/5 of a president.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:15:20am

I can almost picture Obama nominating someone like Srinivasan, who the Senate confirmed 97-0 just in 2013. So the makeup of the Senate isn’t significantly different.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:15:46am

re: #111 stpaulbear

The dems should do their job then, and exclaim their full throated support for the constitution.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:16:18am

re: #112 Belafon

Yeah, CATO person, when Congress passes a law reducing the size of the SCOTUS, you can make that argument, but right now, it requires nine people.

They are trying the exact same thing with the DC Court of Appeals. Several unfilled vacancies and the GOP refuses to let any nominees advance. They are demanding the court numbers simply decrease.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:16:53am
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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:17:07am

re: #116 Amory Blaine

I agree. I hope their voices get through the noise.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:17:20am

Martin Longman is suggesting that President Obama nominate a sitting Senator who is qualified, such as Sen. Patrick Leahy, former head of the Judiciary Committee, or Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and therefore invoke the Senatorial Club. Has to be qualified, and from a safe Democratic seat. boomantribune.com

Also, juanitajean.com offers a new term for Republicans: snacilbupaR. Works for me.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:17:38am

Can I just say that Charles Murray has been a cancer upon American society with his “scientific racism” for far too long?

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Lidane  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:17:41am

re: #108 Amory Blaine

Make them justify their position through months and months of obstruction right before an election. They really are the party of stupid.

Republicans have a habit of taking an extreme, unreasonable position and then overplaying their hand. Not surprised they’re doing it again here.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:18:21am

I’d start by nominating Vermin Supreme.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:18:29am

re: #115 lawhawk

I can almost picture Obama nominating someone like Srinivasan, who the Senate confirmed 97-0 just in 2013. So the makeup of the Senate isn’t significantly different.

Troll the fuck out of them and show them to be the racist neo confederates they are. Keep going to TV week after week demanding a proper vote for a candidate they already approved 97 to zip. Make sure everybody knows that this would be the first Asian American on the court that they are blocking.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:19:33am

re: #115 lawhawk

I can almost picture Obama nominating someone like Srinivasan, who the Senate confirmed 97-0 just in 2013. So the makeup of the Senate isn’t significantly different.

I have heard this situation before, and they just say that the Supreme Court is a different species of animal, and requires different blah blah blah.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:21:07am

re: #118 ausador

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:21:15am

re: #125 retired cynic

I have heard this situation before, and they just say that the Supreme Court is a different species of animal, and requires different blah blah blah.

Hagel for SecDef.

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Lidane  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:22:10am

re: #115 lawhawk

I can almost picture Obama nominating someone like Srinivasan, who the Senate confirmed 97-0 just in 2013. So the makeup of the Senate isn’t significantly different.

Yes. This.

He needs to nominate a thoughtful candidate that this Senate has already overwhelmingly confirmed. Put the Republicans on the defensive for why that candidate was good enough before Scalia died but not now.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:24:21am

re: #120 retired cynic

Martin Longman is suggesting that President Obama nominate a sitting Senator who is qualified, such as Sen. Patrick Leahy, former head of the Judiciary Committee, or Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and therefore invoke the Senatorial Club. Has to be qualified, and from a safe Democratic seat. boomantribune.com

Also, juanitajean.com offers a new term for Republicans: snacilbupaR. Works for me.

Amy is a moderate Dem from a pretty solidly Dem state. She’s managed to piss off progressives in MN a few times for being too conservative. I think she’d be great but the republicans will scream holy murder about her.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:26:03am

You knew it was going to happen, but then it does, and you realize that he’s pals with Trump and other GOPers like Rand Paul:

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:26:33am

re: #128 Lidane

Ah yes, let’s give them another Scalia, that’ll show them!!!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:27:25am

re: #130 lawhawk

You knew it was going to happen, but then it does, and you realize that he’s pals with Trump and other GOPers like Rand Paul:

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Never gets old…
Alex Jones becomes a Super Saiyan

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:28:25am

Obama knows how important this is. Lucky for us.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:28:54am

Someone was suggesting yesterday that all SCOTUS members should be swing justices. While I totally think there’s no way to actually pick people that way, I found this while reading about Sotomayor on wikipedia:

Across some 150 cases involving business and civil law, Sotomayor’s rulings were generally unpredictable and not consistently pro-business or anti-business.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:29:50am

re: #130 lawhawk

‘In your guts, you know he’s nuts.’

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:30:42am

re: #130 lawhawk

Wait.. did he go hunting with Cheney?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:32:12am
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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:36:12am

re: #130 lawhawk

You knew it was going to happen, but then it does, and you realize that he’s pals with Trump and other GOPers like Rand Paul:

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So Obama is not only a murderer, but a dumb one who would wait until 2016 to murder Scalia. Yep, makes sense (he’ll probably do that infamous gun grab sometime in August.)

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:38:28am

And where this election doesn’t have enough riding on it, Ryan reminds everyone ACA also hangs in balance:

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:39:50am

I want a Justice who can rule fairly on the rent-control ordinances.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:41:12am

re: #139 lawhawk

And where this election doesn’t have enough riding on it, Ryan reminds everyone ACA also hangs in balance:

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So courageous of him.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:41:22am

re: #137 Belafon

This show is amusing.
The Amazing World of Gumball - Clean This House

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:45:16am
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:45:50am

re: #142 Not a Sparkly Vampire

This show is amusing.
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Nicole and Anais are my favorites. Richard getting mayonnaise was also pretty funny.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:47:09am

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

Because, by the time he made it into the SCOTUS, Italians were considered white.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:47:39am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:48:35am

WHY DO WE HAVE TEH JUICE ON SCOTUS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE ANY WHITE CATHOLIC ITALIANS!!!1!!!!!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:51:20am

re: #139 lawhawk

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:55:32am

re: #126 ausador

xkcd.com

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Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:55:32am

Do not make the mistake to underestimate Trump and dismiss him as unelectable because of his racism.
I witnessed more than a few African-Americans who are supporting him because his anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric. They are the category most affected by unemployment and rightfully of not they blame immigrants for taking their jobs.
Do not be surprised to see more African-Americans voting for him than for Hillary or Bernie.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:56:20am

re: #4 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You should mention there that Charles Murray co-wrote The Bell Curve, which posits that race determines one’s lot in life for genetic reasons.

It must so piss him off that President Obama is of African descent. I don’t understand how a racist like Murray is considered a credible voice about politics but I suppose given the state of Republicans today, he’s not really outside of their sphere.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:00:46am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:02:23am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Man what a bunch of pathetic whiny crap considering all the shit Scalia stood for that was in fact unconstitutional like sodomy laws and banning gay marriage.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:02:41am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

OMFG LOL

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:04:07am

re: #93 ausador

Kinda confused personally, the only place I ever heard whitebeach used as a word was in prison. Whitebeach was the part of the yard reserved for whites only. Not saying that is in any way your intention towards your screen name. But when using that name I’d be extra careful about making comments that could be interpreted as racist.

Since you ask, glad to answer. I have gone by “whitebeach” since I first started commenting on Internet forums twenty or so years ago. The handle does not refer to race in any way whatsoever. It refers to the sugary beaches of the Florida Gulf Coast, which I first visited as a six-year-old a lifetime ago and have returned to many times since. As such, it references an essentially happy state of mind for me. That’s the whole sum of it.

I greatly respect you and several of the other posters who found fault with my original comment on Justice Thomas, but I must totally reject your and their implications that this comment was somehow racist. There have been countless comments here and on many other venues about Thomas’s marked propensity to tag along with Scalia. There is nothing whatsoever relating to race in this observation. I’m saddened and disappointed that you and some others seem to want to see such a connection.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:04:34am

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Here’s Baby Snidley Whiplash showing off his mad lawyerin’ skillz…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #150 Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II

Well I for one would be shocked if more African Americans voted for Trump than for the Democratic nominee. That would be surprising since Trump has gone out of his way to insult the first African American President and to condone/encourage violence against Black people at his political rallies. Plus, the fact that he demonizes Mexican immigrants doesn’t bode well for how he views Black immigrants (such as me and my family).

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:07:30am

Clarence Thomas is lower than dog shit. Fuck him.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:08:01am

re: #150 Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II

Welcome Hatchling.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:08:24am

re: #156 Eric The Fruit Bat

Here’s Baby Snidley Whiplash showing off his mad lawyerin’ skillz…

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Boom goes tthe dynamite.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:08:46am

re: #55 BlueSpotinAL

I think it should be Srinivasan. A moderate, approved unanimously by the Senate before. There would be no excuse for the GOP refusing to appoint him, and the independents will hold the GOP accountable if they do.

Over in FreeRepugnant they have already decided that if Obama nominates him, it will be designed as a calculated slap in the face to, get ready for it, “White Christians”. Only took them <40 posts to get there too.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:08:47am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:10:34am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

They’re having a full-fledged psychotic break with reality.

They usually wait until after church on Sunday to do that.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:12:03am
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Mentis Fugit  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:12:22am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

And when they are told no such images exist it will, of course, be proof that there is a coverup.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:13:46am

Obama killed Ronald Reagan.//

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:15:16am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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These people are so wrapped in hate that the idea that Obama (or possibly Hillary) had Scalia assassinated doesn’t even warrant a “WTF” among them. The current “theories” are that it was a poison dart, ricin, or possibly ethylene glycol (antifreeze).

I also had to convince an acquaintance of mine at Starbucks today that Bork did in fact get a straight up and down vote in the Senate, which he lost. The common belief among RWNJs seems to be that he was blocked and denied a vote. That’s going to be their talking point.

As for me, it’s snowing outside, I’ve got pizza and Jalapeno - Cheddar smoked sausage dogs. Plenty of libations and nothing to do but chill out.

RBS

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:15:55am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Obama killed Ronald Reagan.//

He time traveled and had Jesus killed, in order to prevent Jesus’ death from fulfilling the prophecy.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:16:43am

re: #168 Belafon

He time traveled and had Jesus killed, in order to prevent Jesus’ death from fulfilling the prophecy.

He’s the one that gave Eve the apple.

RBS

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:17:06am

re: #164 Belafon

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:20:09am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

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Great White Snark  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:20:26am

re: #60 whitebeach

…except that it is a little less succinct and less striking…

Metaphor or not, it was a step too far in some opinions, including mine obviously. An easy mistake to make given the subject.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:21:29am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Obama killed Ronald Reagan.//

Are we sure Obama wasn’t at the grassy knoll that day in 64, after all he was around three at the time. He totally could have done it.

///

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:22:44am

re: #173 ausador

Are we sure Obama wasn’t at the grassy knoll that day in 64, after all he was around three at the time. He totally could have done it.

///

And the beauty is that he would be above suspicion. Nobody would expect a 3 year old to be able to accurately take that shot. (unless he was the AntiChrist!!!!)

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:22:46am

re: #173 ausador

Are we sure Obama wasn’t at the grassy knoll that day in 64, after all he was around three at the time. He totally could have done it.

///

‘63.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:23:42am
177
SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:24:39am

re: #172 Great White Snark

You see, we have the problem. The comments about a man being a dog, not the problem.

We want to see racism, that’s the problem. Comments about a black man being a dog, not a problem.

Who’s comment was deleted? Right.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:25:48am

re: #176 Aunty Entity Dragon

[Embedded content]

But this doesn’t, I am sure:

The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release February 13, 2016 . Presidential Proclamation: Death of Antonin Scalia As a mark of respect for Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the United States, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including section 7 of title 4, United States Code, that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and on all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, on the day of interment. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same period at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this thirteenth day of February, in the year of our Lord two thousand sixteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and fortieth. BARACK OBAMA # # #

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:27:18am

Covarrubias Class Imaging Array

Whoa. Dat sum good sheeh mayn.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:30:47am

re: #178 Timothy Watson

Since he was a SCOTUS justice, however bigoted, racist, reprobate and inquisitorial, he gets an official flags at half mast from the gub’mint.

I’ll be damned if I give him any such honor, considering he compared people like me to pederasts and pedophiles and would gladly have seen me and my spouse in prison and our child taken by the state.

He was evil in some way, and like most inquisitors, he saw his evil as a necessary and justifiable good.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:33:32am

Another in the “I was born 25 years too early”:

formlabs.com

It’s a company ad for a 3D printer. But the complexity of some of the things they show is
just amazing:

3D printer
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:34:41am

re: #90 jaunte

“…I’ve been in a roomful of six-year-old girls trying to organize themselves into an unrehearsed singing and dance performance, so I consider myself something of an expert on total and complete chaos. Saturday night’s Republican presidential debate set a new standard.”

rollingstone.com

I was entertained!
Are You Not Entertained?

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:35:43am

re: #175 Timothy Watson

‘63.

Oops, can’t blame that one on auto-correct. Hmm…”damn tiny touchpad on this phone.”

/

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WhatEVs  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:36:34am

re: #180 Aunty Entity Dragon

Exactly. And agreed.

He epitomizes why separation of church and state must be protected at all costs; why talibangicals must be stopped at all costs.

I’ll further say the right is fully intent on destroying more than 200 years of our republic and the constitution that powers it solely for retaining political power. They embody threats from within.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:39:33am

re: #181 Belafon

This one shows better detail:

3D Printer

We’re getting to a point where you’re not going to need a company to make a final version of something you create.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:42:43am

re: #175 Timothy Watson

‘63.

Only Obama could assassinate someone in 1963 from 1964. //

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:44:06am

New CBS poll shows Trump with still a massive lead in SC, but this poll completed the day before the debate:

Scribd Document

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:45:00am

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP debate showed those damned libtards who is boss of America!

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:45:52am

re: #185 Belafon

This one shows better detail:

[Embedded content]

We’re getting to a point where you’re not going to need a company to make a final version of something you create.

I’ve got a friend who has 9 3D printers working in his house. He sells “frankenstein” and Tardis light switch covers. He also does a showerhead that looks like a T-rex skull, and the water comes out the mouth. Doesn’t have any of those right now, they take a LONG time to print apparently.

Here’s his shop on Etsy, and yes, this is a pure plug ‘cuz he’s a friend of mine.

etsy.com

RBS
EDIT: It’s not his main job, he’s an IT / Security guy for a healthcare company here. This is just one of his side lines.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:48:48am

re: #120 retired cynic

Martin Longman is suggesting that President Obama nominate a sitting Senator who is qualified, such as Sen. Patrick Leahy, former head of the Judiciary Committee, or Sen. Amy Klobuchar, and therefore invoke the Senatorial Club. Has to be qualified, and from a safe Democratic seat. boomantribune.com

Also, juanitajean.com offers a new term for Republicans: snacilbupaR. Works for me.

Or maybe even a prochoice Republican such as Lisa Murkowski. Just a thought.

191
EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:51:27am

re: #184 WhatEVs

Exactly. And agreed.

He epitomizes why separation of church and state must be protected at all costs; why talibangicals must be stopped at all costs.

I’ll further say the right is fully intent on destroying more than 200 years of our republic and the constitution that powers it solely for retaining political power. They embody threats from within.

US movement conservatism has come to embrace the idea of undoing the enlightenment. That makes this form of conservatism objectively and intrinsically un-American, which is massive irony since making fake claims that things they object to are ‘Un-American” is a staple of conservative propaganda.

192
freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:51:35am

Looking at question 12 in that poll, we can conclude that Trump is the most important part of “The Solution”.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:18:53pm

re: #172 Great White Snark

Metaphor or not, it was a step too far in some opinions, including mine obviously. An easy mistake to make given the subject.

I respect your opinion, and the thoughtful way in which you express it, although I obviously think differently. I hope at least that you can accept that my comment did not reference and in fact had nothing to do with race.

194
unproven innocence  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:26:01pm

re: #150 Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II

Do not make the mistake to underestimate Trump and dismiss him as unelectable because of his racism.
I witnessed more than a few African-Americans who are supporting him because his anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric. They are the category most affected by unemployment and rightfully of not they blame immigrants for taking their jobs.
Do not be surprised to see more African-Americans voting for him than for Hillary or Bernie.

Updinged because you are not wrong. One of the earliest life-lessons I learned was “Let’s you and him fight” is a stupid game. But it seems to work in politics. Divide and conquor.

Tim Wise: On White Privilege (Clip) —about 9min

This is not a typical guy whitesplaining negros. Quite the opposite.

And welcome to LGF, hatchling. That’s a pretty good first post.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:19:37pm

re: #177 SoundGuy 2016

You see, we have the problem. The comments about a man being a dog, not the problem.

We want to see racism, that’s the problem. Comments about a black man being a dog, not a problem.

Who’s comment was deleted? Right.

I realize that this thread is dead, but I want to reply to you where the trouble started.

You are the one who brought up Thomas’s race. I never mentioned it.

If I had metaphorized Marco Rubio as a lapdog of his wealthy patron, would you be insisting that I had literally called him a dog and that I was a racist toward Hispanics?

If I said that Miichelle Malkin had made a career snarling and snapping at President Obama’s heels, would you claim I was calling her a dog and obviously hated Filipinas?’

Marybeth you would. Maybe if, as a hundred posters on this site have done, I referred to Sarah Palin as Caribou Barbie, you would accuse me as a sexist who literally portrayed a woman as a large Arctic ungulate?

Maybe, but I doubt it.

I honestly don’t know what your problem is, but some form of holier-than-that-heathen seems to be part of it.

No further comment from me seems necessary.

196
KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:27:37pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon

No. Slappy Thomas has always let the Koch Brothers pull his strings. He’ll continue to be their puppet.

Obama should nominate Biden to replace Scalia and dare the Senate to reject him by saying that if they do, he’ll continue to nominate people further to the left like Goodwin Liu (stopped by Sessions), Caitlin Halligan (Stopped by Grassley) and then kick it up a notch by nominating Elizabeth Warren.

Obama could also threaten to veto the next appropriation bill for Congressional operations. He could even threaten to veto the appropriation bill for the courts.

I think Obama needs to appoint someone young for the SC so they will have a long career influencing the direction of the country. Appointing seniors is not a great strategy for maximizing influence.

197
KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:51:28pm

re: #195 whitebeach

I agree that people misunderstood the intent of your comment. It was pretty ironic that one commenter considered casting Thomas as a lap-dog was “dehumanizing” but no one had problems when he was called a puppet!

That said, there is a reason so many people reflexively took offence. “Dog” has a long history of being a mean spirited epithet and your original comment did not make sufficiently clear enough your intention of portraying him as a pet rather than merely a dog.

198
whitebeach  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:57:31pm

re: #197 KerFuFFler

Thanks for the thoughtful critique. I’ll take it to heart.

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Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:49:23pm

re: #194 unproven innocence

I have my office in the City of Compton in Los Angeles.
All I needed to do in order to reach this conclusion was just listen to the people who live here. Just yesterday I was staying in line at a BBQ joint to pick-up take-out dinner and the subject debated by the people around me was Trump. Everyone seemed to agree that:
1) he’s a straight talker and
2) it would be great if he could close the borders and end illegal immigrants from coming in so the working men and women could find jobs.
Two weeks ago I heard pretty much the same political talk while filming customer testimonials for a for a black-owned family business commercial.
Trump is a rock star in the African-American community. At least here in Compton but i admit I don’t know how popular he is in other African American communities.
Democrats are ignoring this fact and/or trying to sweep it under the rug.
Either way, if Trump gets nominated they will be in for a nasty surprise in November.

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Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II  Feb 14, 2016 • 6:03:58pm

re: #196 KerFuFFler

I think Obama needs to appoint someone young for the SC so they will have a long career influencing the direction of the country. Appointing seniors is not a great strategy for maximizing influence.

Just curious: is influencing the direction of the country the prerogative of the appointed for life (not elected) Supreme Court justices?
As far as I know that’s the job of THE PEOPLE through their elected representatives in the US Congress.

201
CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 7:15:42pm

Okay, I know this thread is long dead, but this?

JIM SHULER 2 minutes ago
For many this country has to be changed. For blacks like Obama he is resentful that some smart white men were able to form and build this wonderful nation.

For liberal women, the fact that a bunch of smart white men designed and founded this country.

That are the reasons liberals hate this country. It is because they are selfish petty people that can’t stand to give the white men the credit they deserve.

Does he think the “smart white men” did it all on their own, without support from women? The women who bore their children, ran their households, and were their trusted confidantes? What about all the slaves whose sweat and blood went into the building of the nation? What about the Chinese immigrants whose labor was integral to the construction of the transcontinental railroad, out first modern transportation system that revolutionized both travel & commerce? What about the migrant farm workers who did (and still do) help bring the food to our families’ tables? That’s just a few off the top of my head; I’m sure there are plenty of others.

202
CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 7:21:54pm

LOLWUT? So concern trolling over SCOTUS justices while sporting the nic of a Congolese military dictator who stole billions from his country and died in exile?

*smh*

203
Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:44:22pm

re: #202 CuriousLurker

What exactly do you believe can be categorized as trolling in any of my previous comments?
If you disagree with me please argument why do you think I am wrong. Calling somebody a troll out of the blue just because you disagree with that person is infantile.

204
CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 10:48:15pm

re: #203 Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II

What exactly do you believe can be categorized as trolling in any of my previous comments?

Your negative karma already exceeding your number of posts after less than 24 hours after registering makes you look suspicious, as does showing up in a dead thread responding to comments that are hours old.

If you disagree with me please argument why do you think I am wrong.

You haven’t actually presented an argument, all you’ve done is make assertions based on anecdotal evidence you claim to have overheard at locations around your office in Compton. BTW, the word “argument” is a noun, not a verb.

Calling somebody a troll out of the blue just because you disagree with that person is infantile.

*GASP* ZOMG, I’m devastated! A complete stranger hiding behind the name of a thieving dictator says I’m “infantile.” How will I ever go on? //

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:06:34pm

re: #200 Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II

Just curious: is influencing the direction of the country the prerogative of the appointed for life (not elected) Supreme Court justices?

KerFuFFler didn’t assert that influencing the direction of the country was the prerogative of Supreme Court justices, s/he simply said that their decisions influence the direction of the country. That is an undeniable fact. You’re not making an argument there, you’re building a straw man under the guise of asking a question.

As far as I know that’s the job of THE PEOPLE through their elected representatives in the US Congress.

Again, you’re not making an argument. You’re stating the obvious.

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Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Waza Banga II  Feb 15, 2016 • 8:41:33am

Congratulations Herr STASI officer, you won. Your talent to discover foreign spies and enemies of the kollective was proven infallible. I posted a comment on a 4 hour old thread (gasp! - everyone on the Internets should know a 4 hour thread is already dead and yucky!) and committed the crime of stating the truth: that’s it isn’t the SCOTUS job to point the country in any direction whatsoever.
So I admit: I’m a spy. It’s so obvious, why else (gasp! again) my screen name is the name of a dead Congolese dictator?
Please report me, I’m here to sabotage your groupthink.
Happy now?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 15, 2016 • 1:42:44pm

LOL, oh the melodrama—Godwin even!

Drama Llama

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