Justice Scalia Died of Heart Attack, No Autopsy Planned, Breitbart Freaking Out

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WFAA TV in Dallas reports that Justice Antonin Scalia’s death was due to a heart attack; there are still conflicting reports about whether an autopsy will be performed, but the Washington Post says Scalia’s family declined an autopsy.

Guevara said she asked the Marshals if there were “’any signs of foul play.’ And they said, ‘Absolutely not,’’’ she told the station. After talking with Scalia’s personal physician, she said, she pronounced him dead and declined to order an inquest.

Scalia’s body was taken to Sunset Funeral Home in El Paso, Texas, by a procession of about 20 law enforcement officers. It arrived there at about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, according to Chris Lujan, a manager for the funeral home. The funeral home is about three and a half hours from the ranch where Scalia died.

Lujan said that Scalia’s family did not request an autopsy and that the body is being prepared for the funeral and will be transported back to Washington on Monday. It is under guard by six law enforcement officials, including U.S. Marshals and Texas state troopers, Lujan said.

“An autopsy was declined at about 3:30 a.m.,” Lujan said. “The Justice of the Peace said there was no indication of foul play and that he died in his sleep from natural causes.”

Meanwhile, at Breitbart “News,” epicenter of far right insanity, Ben “Snidely Whiplash” Shapiro is very upset. He thinks Antonin Scalia’s Death Could Mark the End of the Constitution. That’s it, folks. It’s over. Game over. No more constitution now. What are we gonna do?

But Breitbart’s amazing commenters aren’t falling for this “no foul play/heart attack” line. Oh, no. They know how Obama works, and they’re calling for investigations and FOIA lawsuits, because there must be images from the “Covarubius class imaging arrays” on board those DOD satellites that will show what really happened to this obese 79-year old cigar smoker.

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415 comments
1
Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:49:54am

Because Obama “GOT” to the family and convinced them that it would be in their best interests to NOT have an autopsy done. (haven’t read that yet, but that just because I haven’t looked)

If I hated as much as some on the right do, I’d be bitter, angry and rage against anything I didn’t like / understand. Oh wait, that’s what they do.

RBS

2
b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:50:49am

My sources now confirm to me that Operation Jade Helm was really months long practice runs of killing Scalia in Texas and having it make look like a heart attack.

3
HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:50:52am

Way to respect the family of a man you claim to admire jackasses.

4
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:52:22am

President Cruz must nominate Zombie Scalia to the Supreme Court for a full afterlife term in office!

5
Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:52:22am

This single, simplest answer to this stupidity is “He waited until his last year in office for what reason?” Yes, it’s a Jeopardy answer in the form of a question, but still.

6
Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:52:52am

Was it brought on by cocaine abuse? Breitbart should want to know.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:53:27am

Everything is a conspiracy theory to Rightwingers. It would be humorous if their conspiracies didn’t lead to situations like what we just saw in Oregon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:53:32am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

Was it brought on by cocaine abuse? Breitbart should want to know.

It would be irresponsible not to ask.

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b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:54:35am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

Was it brought on by cocaine abuse? Breitbart should want to know.

There has been no official denial

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:55:25am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

Was it brought on by cocaine abuse? Breitbart should want to know.

Erick Erickson needs to investigate the goat question.

12
b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:56:44am

I heard that it was an Obama sponsored undercover assassin African American rentboy who strangled Scalia when he had the ballgag in his mouth.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:58:02am

re: #7 Eric The Fruit Bat

OT, but waay too funny:

OMG did somebody actually buy him a 55 gallon drum of personal lubricant on his own credit card and send it to him?

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 11:59:26am

re: #13 Aunty Entity Dragon

OMG did somebody actually buy him a 55 gallon drum of personal lubricant on his own credit card and send it to him?

Yes… And while I don’t condone Credit Card Fraud, you do have to admit that there is a certain justice to it.

RBS

15
ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:00:21pm

Obviously Obama already got to the family.

/

Edit: Damn…should have read the first comment. I’ll show myself out.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:01:17pm

I love how that loon thinks Obama secretly had Scalia murdered, but he’ll still comply with an FOIA request.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:02:04pm

re: #14 Reality Based Steve

Yes… And while I don’t condone Credit Card Fraud, you do have to admit that there is a certain justice to it.

RBS

If the items are being bought and sent to him…does it even count as normal fraud since the ‘prankster’ is not actually receiving or profiting from the purchase? I imagine he can send the goods back and get a refund.

How would this be charged?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:04:15pm

re: #17 Aunty Entity Dragon

If the items are being bought and sent to him…does it even count as normal fraud since the ‘prankster’ is not actually receiving or profiting from the purchase? I imagine he can send the goods back and get a refund.

How would this be charged?

It would still be fraud. If nothing else, the person cost Amazon time and money.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:06:09pm

re: #2 b.d.

My sources now confirm to me that Operation Jade Helm was really months long practice runs of killing Scalia in Texas and having it make look like a heart attack.

Wheels within wheels
Meals on wheels
Bluelight deals
HAARP is real

You can’t explain that!
/

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:06:17pm

Of course they’re freaking out. Scalia’s own atavism provided cover for many of lesser status in our society who can’t deal with the reality of change in life around them.

As the most visible in our society continue to become (in numbers) more overtly 21st century, those in our society who want to live in the 18th century will feel increasingly more isolated.

The Scalia Freak-Out is just the next episode in this play, coming right after (or rather, an interlude in) the Bundy Gang Affair.

Next year it will be something else.

21
Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:06:33pm

re: #7 Eric The Fruit Bat

OT, but waay too funny:

What A Maroon!

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Testy Toad T  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:06:52pm

Dude’s death could mark END OF CONSTITUTION. The obvious correct response is to not allow the President to discharge his Constitutional duty to pick a new Dude.

Apparently this makes sense to someone.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:09:23pm

re: #22 Testy Toad T

Dude’s death could mark END OF CONSTITUTION. The obvious correct response is to not allow the President to discharge his Constitutional duty to pick a new Dude.

Apparently this makes sense to someone.

RWNJs are badly out of practice at this whole ‘reasoning’ thing. After all, their normal forms of political expression exclusively consist of generating and forwarding lies and propaganda.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:11:02pm

re: #7 Eric The Fruit Bat

OT, but waay too funny:

Think that screenshot may be fake. Martin Shkreli’s name is spelled wrong, I doubt Amazon would approve a new card on an account if the name didn’t match the name on the card.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:11:15pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:12:34pm

Remember the term lunatic fringe?

It is no longer on the fringes. It is now mainstream, at least in the political world.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:12:34pm

re: #25 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Cruz is different because Obama is the USURPER! er, uhm …

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:14:33pm

For example:

Local legislators face bill deadline

Sen. Sally Doty, R-Brookhaven, is the principal author of 27 measures and has co-authored or was involved in a host of others. The same is true for Rep. Becky Currie, R-Brookhaven, who is the principal author of 29 measures.

[…]

She also worked on a bill concerning creationism being taught in schools, which is one of the more controversial measures this session. However, Currie said, the bill is only meant to protect teachers if they decide to bring up the theory of creationism in discussions. Teaching students critical thinking is also at the root of the bill.


“Right now, if a child brings up creationism the teacher can discuss it, but if the teacher brings it up, she gets in trouble,” Currie said.


She said that many ideas concerning the origin of life should be discussed in a way that helps students think creatively and critically.


“It would be so that teachers could say, ‘There are people that believe that God created man.’ To be required to not say that is pitiful too.”

It has been noted that Scalia was dismissive of evolution in his dissent in Edwards v. Aguillard.

This is the kind of effect that Scalia had. This is why atavists, like representative Doty in the above story, will have a real hard time with Scalia’s passing and the likely replacement by someone whose views are closer to the 21st century.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:18:19pm

re: #28 freetoken

Yep - apparently Scalia was actually a young Earth creationist.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:19:38pm

From Scalia’s Edwards v. Aguillard dissent:

The body of scientific evidence supporting creation science is as strong as that supporting evolution. In fact, it may be stronger…. The evidence for evolution is far less compelling than we have been led to believe. Evolution is not a scientific “fact,” since it cannot actually be observed in a laboratory. Rather, evolution is merely a scientific theory or “guess.”… It is a very bad guess at that. The scientific problems with evolution are so serious that it could accurately be termed a “myth.”…

Creation science is educationally valuable. Students exposed to it better understand the current state of scientific evidence about the origin of life… Those students even have a better understanding of evolution… Creation science can and should be presented to children without any religious content….

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:19:56pm

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What is a “Corvarubius class photo array, and where can I get one?

Were the mad poisoners working in the back yard, in the open, or can this technology see into houses?

What was this guy smoking and where can I get some?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:20:08pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Yep - apparently Scalia was actually a young Earth creationist.

What a dumbfuck. I don’t know if even W Bush is that stupid.

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:21:06pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

This creationism is one of the central reasons for his popularity among the religious right.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:22:26pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

From Scalia’s Edwards v. Aguillard dissent:

Evolution absolutely *can* be observed in a laboratory — bacteria, fruitless and other short-lived life forms have “evolved” over thousands of generations under the watchful eye of researchers…

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:23:49pm

re: #34 sagehen

Evolution absolutely *can* be observed in a laboratory — bacteria, fruitless and other short-lived life forms have “evolved” over thousands of generations under the watchful eye of researchers…

“But if fruit flies evolved, why are there still fruit flies?”

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rhuarc  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:24:39pm

re: #31 calochortus

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What is a “Corvarubius class photo array, and where can I get one?

Were the mad poisoners working in the back yard, in the open, or can this technology see into houses?

What was this guy smoking and where can I get some?

Me too! I tried googling but came up with nothing. I guess I should have dived into the depths of paranoia and visited their cesspools of “knowledge.” Didn’t care that much, though.

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Ghost of Jeb! Campaign's Future  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:26:27pm

re: #31 calochortus

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What was this guy smoking and where can I get some?

Think about it for a minute, do you REEEEEALLY want whatever it is he may be smoking? Seems to me like it’s some seriously bad stuff, to say the least…

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:26:29pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

An out of context quote.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:27:24pm

re: #31 calochortus

On the extremely unlikely chance there is such a beast, the person who posted that little ditty is probably now an unperson (or will be very soon.)

I also expect it to be the new hot phrase over at Stark Raving Mad Headquarters (aka Prison Planet) within the next 24 hours.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:29:09pm

Scalia was repeating what Senator Keith was claiming in order to show that the Balanced Treatment Act had a secular purpose.

He was making a legal argument, not a scientific one. He never said he agreed with Keith.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:29:38pm

re: #37 Domo Arigato Marco Roboto

Think about it for a minute, do you REEEEEALLY want whatever it is he may be smoking? Seems to me like it’s some seriously bad stuff, to say the least…

You’re completely right-and I don’t even really enjoy most drugs. Maybe I could get some, sell it and use the money to buy some nice wine?

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KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:32:19pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

From Scalia’s Edwards v. Aguillard dissent: The body of scientific evidence supporting creation science is as strong as that supporting evolution. In fact, it may be stronger…. The evidence for evolution is far less compelling than we have been led to believe. Evolution is not a scientific “fact,” since it cannot actually be observed in a laboratory. Rather, evolution is merely a scientific theory or “guess.”… It is a very bad guess at that. The scientific problems with evolution are so serious that it could accurately be termed a “myth.”…

Creation science is educationally valuable. Students exposed to it better understand the current state of scientific evidence about the origin of life… Those students even have a better understanding of evolution… Creation science can and should be presented to children without any religious content….

Yes, these words were in Scalia’s dissent, but he was quoting someone else and explaining their point of view. It does not mean that Scalia himself believes precisely that.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:32:48pm

re: #24 danarchy

I Tweeted the author of the source tweet and noted the spelling discrepancy. It probably is bogus. With a name like Shkreli it’s easy to not catch it.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:34:01pm

If something (God forbid) were to happen to Sanders, I would expect a similar reaction from many Berniebots. “Establishment murdered him!” etc.

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dell*nix  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:34:02pm

Remember, this happened in Marfa. This is where they see lights in the sky from UFOs.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:36:40pm

re: #40 Nyet

Scalia was repeating what Senator Keith was claiming in order to show that the Balanced Treatment Act had a secular purpose.

He was making a legal argument, not a scientific one. He never said he agreed with Keith.

Yep. The paragraph copied is preceded by:

Senator Keith and his witnesses testified essentially as set forth in the following numbered paragraphs:

law.cornell.edu

The quotation is the second paragraph.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:37:44pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Yep - apparently Scalia was actually a young Earth creationist.

These commenters have it right:

William Griesar • 8 months ago
I’m sorry, but this is really quite wrong. One doesn’t have to agree with all of Scalia’s opinions to see that you are misrepresenting them terribly. The 5000 year comment could easily refer only to recorded human history, not the creationist view of the age of the earth.
The quotes from the Edwards case were not made by Scalia at all, but we’re from footnotes describing what two Louisiana legislators said in support of the Louisianna law challenged in the case.
If you want to earn the name Secukar Humanists, then you have to at least be intellectually honest.

Chase Simon • 8 months ago
This article is extremely misleading, specifically the reference to Scalia in Edwards v. Aguillard and the meme at the bottom of the page. The Scalia “quote” from the case, while accurate, is not actually Scalia’s belief. At that point in the dissent Scalia was explaining what a specific individual had testified to during hearing. In fact, just a few paragraphs before this paragraph Scalia gave a very long and pronounced throat clearing - “Before summarizing the testimony of Senator Keith and his supporters, I wish to make clear that I by no means intend
to endorse its accuracy. But my views (and the views of this Court)
about creation science and evolution are (or should be) beside the
point. Our task is not to judge the debate about teaching the origins
of life, but to ascertain what the members of the Louisiana Legislature
believed.”

Being a liberal, lawyer, and an atheist, I have no love for Scalia. But, this characterization of his dissent is incorrect. So, Michael Stone, are you lazy, lying, or stupid?

Anthony Cesario • 8 months ago
Although I thoroughly disagree with much of what Scalia says, this quote supposedly said by him in Edwards v. Aguillard is an excellent example of quote-mining. Scalia NEVER said this. He wrote in his dissent that SOMEONE ELSE was saying this. In fact, the quote is actually a summary of several other people’s arguments…. Mistakes like this happen when you use unreliable sources like thehopeforamerica.com… Michael Stone, you really dropped the ball on this one…

Please refer to the actual SCOTUS case law in the future to avoid mistakes like this moving forward: scholar.google.com

Scalia prefaces this part of his dissent by saying:

“Before summarizing the testimony of Senator Keith and his supporters, I wish to make clear that I by no means intend to endorse its accuracy. But my views (and the views of this Court) about creation science and evolution are (or should be) beside the point. Our task is not to judge the debate about teaching the origins of life, but to ascertain what the members of the Louisiana Legislature believed. The vast majority of them voted to approve a bill which explicitly stated a secular purpose; what is crucial is not their wisdom in believing that purpose would be achieved by the bill, but their sincerity in believing it would be.”

He then goes on to explain what the members of the Louisiana Legislature believed:

1. “The body of scientific evidence supporting creation science is as strong as that supporting evolution. In fact, it may be stronger….”

This is the argument of Senator Bill Keith and one of his witnesses, Young.

2. “The evidence for evolution is far less compelling than we have been led to believe. Evolution is not a scientific ‘fact’ since it cannot actually be observed in a laboratory. Rather, evolution is merely a scientific theory or ‘guess.’”

This is the argument of witnesses Morris, Ward, Reiboldt, and Boudreaux.

3. “It is a very bad guess at that. The scientific problems with evolution are so serious that it could accurately be termed a ‘myth.’”

This is the argument of Senator Keith, and witnesses Ward, Kalivoda, and Boudreaux.

4. “Creation science is educationally valuable.”

This is the argument of Senator Keith, and witnesses Sunderland, Kalivoda, and Morris.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:38:53pm

re: #42 KerFuFFler

Yes, these words were in Scalia’s dissent, but he was quoting someone else and explaining their point of view. It does not mean that Scalia himself believes precisely that.

Actually, he clearly did favor the “creation science” view: Edwards v. Aguillard | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute.

This case arrives here in the following posture: the Louisiana Supreme Court has never been given an opportunity to interpret the Balanced Treatment Act, State officials have never attempted to implement it, and it has never been the subject of a full evidentiary hearing. We can only guess at its meaning. We know that it forbids instruction in either “creation science” or “evolution science” without instruction in the other, § 17:286.4A, but the parties are sharply divided over what creation science consists of. Appellants insist that it is a collection of educationally valuable scientific data that has been censored from classrooms by an embarrassed scientific establishment. Appellees insist it is not science at all, but thinly veiled religious doctrine. Both interpretations of the intended meaning of that phrase find considerable support in the legislative history.

At least at this stage in the litigation, it is plain to me that we must accept appellants’ view of what the statute means. To begin with, the statute itself defines “creation science” as “the scientific evidences for creation and inferences from those scientific evidences.” § 17:286.3(2) (emphasis added). If, however, that definition is not thought sufficiently helpful, the means by which the Louisiana Supreme Court will give the term more precise content is quite clear — and again, at this stage in the litigation, favors the appellants’ view.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:39:02pm

re: #46 Belafon

In fact, Scalia was very clear about it:

Before summarizing the testimony of Senator Keith and his supporters, I wish to make clear that I by no means intend to endorse its accuracy. But my views (and the views of this Court) about creation science and evolution are (or should be) beside the point. Our task is not to judge the debate about teaching the origins of life, but to ascertain what the members of the Louisiana Legislature believed. The vast majority of them voted to approve a bill which explicitly stated a secular purpose; what is crucial is not their wisdom in believing that purpose would be achieved by the bill, but their sincerity in believing it would be.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:39:56pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

That’s beside the point. The quotation is still out of context and thus false.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:40:28pm

I don’t see how teaching creation science could have a secular purpose.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:40:30pm

re: #31 calochortus

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What is a “Corvarubius class photo array, and where can I get one?

It’s a satellite designed by the New World Order to spy on fat white guys from the west who masturbate too much. It’s all about reproductive control, you see.

Since Covarrubias is a small village in northern Spain, I’m sure this is all somehow linked to Spanish Habsburg restoration plots and lizard aliens. How? WE DON’T NEED TO KNOW HOW, IT JUST IS, WE KNOW IT IS!

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:41:41pm

re: #51 jaunte

I don’t see how quoting opponents out of context helps either.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:41:42pm

re: #31 calochortus

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What is a “Corvarubius class photo array, and where can I get one?

Were the mad poisoners working in the back yard, in the open, or can this technology see into houses?

What was this guy smoking and where can I get some?

Only clue I have is Javier Covarrubuis who killed a girl he thought was a snitch after the police intentionally allowed his friend to “accidentally” see a photo array with handwritten notes making it appear she was.
apublicdefender.com

What that could possibly have to do with Scalia’s death I have no clue.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:44:55pm

re: #49 Nyet

Reading that paragraph, I see one of two things, neither of which I like:
1. Scalia did believe in creationism and was trying to find a way to argue that this law was OK.
2. Scalia was trying to give the state the right to control what it teaches.

Where it’s obvious he fails is that he somehow decided, in this case, that it didn’t matter if the law was bad as long as the intentions of those who wrote it was pure.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:45:12pm

re: #52 Pawn of the Oppressor

It’s a satellite designed by the New World Order to spy on fat white guys from the west who masturbate too much. It’s all about reproductive control, you see.

Since Covarrubias is a small village in northern Spain, I’m sure this is all somehow linked to Spanish Habsburg restoration plots and lizard aliens. How? WE DON’T NEED TO KNOW HOW, IT JUST IS, WE KNOW IT IS!

Thank you. That is very helpful.
/

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:46:10pm

Scalia also believed Satan is a “real person.”

I concede that he may not have specifically been endorsing creation science in that opinion. But there’s evidence that he had fundamentalist religious beliefs.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:49:03pm

re: #49 Nyet

I think the best available criticism of Scalia based on that quoted paragraph is his credulous willingness to believe in the supposed “secular purpose” of the Louisiana creationism bill.

That really is farcical.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:49:05pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

From Scalia’s Edwards v. Aguillard dissent:

Holy shit. That kind of thinking should have disqualified him from even being considered a justice. And if he revealed that after being on the bench then it should be grounds for dismissal/impeachment.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:49:18pm

re: #54 ausador

Only clue I have is Javier Covarrubuis who killed a girl he thought was a snitch after the police intentionally allowed his friend to “accidentally” see a photo array with handwritten notes making it appear she was.
apublicdefender.com

What that could possibly have to do with Scalia’s death I have no clue.

And that would be the bottom line.
What the satellite photos he mentioned would have to do with any of this is also a mystery.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:49:32pm

re: #55 Belafon

I have no idea if Scalia believed in hardcore creationism or was just being a wingnut ass, or both. There has been one remark by Scalia elsewhere about at least 5000 years of humanity, but that’s pretty ambiguous, esp. because that’s not what the YECs believe (they believe in 6-10000 years, not 5). Otherwise there doesn’t seem to be much evidence one way or another. He may have been a Behe-like intelligent design creationist for all we know.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:50:02pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Scalia also believed Satan is a “real person.”

I concede that he may not have specifically been endorsing creation science in that opinion. But there’s evidence that he had fundamentalist religious beliefs.

Even worse, he probably believed that God is a real person. ;)

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:50:35pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I love how that loon thinks Obama secretly had Scalia murdered, but he’ll still comply with an FOIA request.

I love how they think Obama would wait 7 years before killing Scalia.

Next, he’ll come for all the guns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:50:45pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Holy shit. That kind of thinking should have disqualified him from even being considered a justice. And if he revealed that after being on the bench then it should be grounds for dismissal/impeachment.

Edit: I see there is question if he believed this way.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:51:57pm

re: #63 Kragar

I love how they think Obama would wait 7 years before killing Scalia.

Next, he’ll come for all the guns.

Maybe he’ll do it on the last day, that way he can’t be impeached.

//

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:52:45pm

re: #63 Kragar

I love how they think Obama would wait 7 years before killing Scalia.

Next, he’ll come for all the guns.

Kind of a reverse Santa Claus, sucking them out through chimneys in the middle of the night.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:53:18pm

re: #63 Kragar

I love how they think Obama would wait 7 years before killing Scalia.

Next, he’ll come for all the guns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:53:51pm

re: #44 Nyet

If something (God forbid) were to happen to Sanders, I would expect a similar reaction from many Berniebots. “Establishment murdered him!” etc.

Nah, it would be Hillary that did the deed.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:54:37pm

re: #68 ObserverArt

Nah, it would be Hillary that did the deed.

She is Teh Establishment personified, didn’t you get the memo?/

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:56:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:56:21pm

re: #68 ObserverArt

Nah, it would be Hillary that did the deed.

Well, there have been 48 documented murders of people connected to the Clintons….

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:57:23pm

I failed this quiz

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:57:46pm

The very fact that Scalia dissented on this case says to me that he had no problem with the teaching of creationism in a public school science classroom.

This statement alone speaks volumes:

But my views (and the views of this Court) about creation science and evolution are (or should be) beside the point.

Creationism is a religious belief - specifically a Christian one. It is stated as such even by the individuals who are attempting to advance it. That fact alone means the views of the court are ENTIRELY the point here. To say otherwise means that you have no respect whatsoever for established precedent regarding the separation of church and state as enumerated in the first amendment of the Constitution.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:59:39pm

re: #54 ausador

Only clue I have is Javier Covarrubuis who killed a girl he thought was a snitch after the police intentionally allowed his friend to “accidentally” see a photo array with handwritten notes making it appear she was.
apublicdefender.com

What that could possibly have to do with Scalia’s death I have no clue.

Marita Covarubbias was one of Mulder’s snitches, she worked for the UN and was also an agent for the Syndicate…

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:59:53pm
In his homily at Holy Mass, Pope Francis focused his reflection on the Christian’s battle against Satan and the reality of the devil in the world today. “The devil also exists in the 21st century, and we need to learn from the Gospel how to battle against him”; and we must not be “naive” about his ways. In fact, he said, we need to be very aware of the strategies he employs to entrap us. For the devil is not a thing of the past.
[…]
“We are all tempted, because … our spiritual life, our Christian life, is a battle”, the Pope said. This comes from the fact that “the devil does not want us to become holy, he does not want us to follow Jesus”. “Of course one of you will say: but Father, you are so old fashioned, speaking about the devil in the 21st century!”. To this Pope Francis replied: “watch out, the devil exists! The devil exists even in the 21st century. And we must not be naive. We must learn from the Gospel how to battle against him”.

w2.vatican.va

On Friday morning, 11 October, Pope Francis commented on St Luke’s account of Jesus’ casting out demons (Lk 11:15-26).

He noted that Jesus offers us several guides or criteria for helping us to perceive the devil’s presence and respond to it. The first is that it is Jesus who battles the devil. The second is that “we cannot obtain the victory of Jesus over evil and the devil by halves” for “he who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters”.

“On this point,” Pope Francis said, “there is no shadow of a doubt. A battle exists, a battle in which the eternal salvation of us all is at stake”. There are no alternatives, he said, even if at times we hear about “pastoral proposals” that seem more accommodating. “No! Either you are with Jesus or you are against him”.

[…]

Pope Francis also stressed that we musn’t be naive: “the demon is shrewd: he is never cast out forever, this will only happen on the last day”. “No,” he continued returning to the Gospel, “when the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he passes through waterless places seeking rest; and finding none he says: ‘I will return to my house from which I came’. And when he comes he finds it swept and put in order. Then he goes and brings seven other spirits more evil that himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first”.

w2.vatican.va

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 14, 2016 • 12:59:54pm

re: #45 dell*nix

Remember, this happened in Marfa. This is where they see lights in the sky from UFOs.

As an aside - I have been through that part of the country just once, driving on US 380 into Roswell around sunset late last November. I can understand why people out there think they’ve seen strange things, because those desert plains have a truly otherworldly quality. The atmospherics and the landscape mess with your sense of distance and space, and I figure if it was easy to convince myself that I was on Mars with just a little imagination, it’s not too big of a leap to see a neighbor’s ranch lights or car headlights as alien spaceships.

Isolation does funny things to people’s realities. I can’t say I’m surprised by conspiracies about western deserts.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:00:31pm

re: #73 Bill and Opus for 2016!

The very fact that Scalia dissented on this case says to me that he had no problem with the teaching of creationism in a public school science classroom.

Yes, everybody knows that.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:01:55pm

re: #75 Nyet

I almost brought up that the Pope accepts evolution but would otherwise meet the definition of fundamentalist.

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gwangung  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:03:32pm

re: #73 Bill and Opus for 2016!

The very fact that Scalia dissented on this case says to me that he had no problem with the teaching of creationism in a public school science classroom.

This statement alone speaks volumes:

Creationism is a religious belief - specifically a Christian one. It is stated as such even by the individuals who are attempting to advance it. That fact alone means the views of the court are ENTIRELY the point here. To say otherwise means that you have no respect whatsoever for established precedent regarding the separation of church and state as enumerated in the first amendment of the Constitution.

Basically, summarizing these arguments and taking them at face value seems overly credulous; accepting there is no religious basis seems overly credulous and dismissive of the scientific evidence…which runs counter to the argument he was quoting. At best, he is being willfully blind; it does not seem to me that being a young earth creationist is out of the realm of possibility.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:04:06pm

re: #78 Belafon

If believing in Satan means you’re a fundamentalist, why not believing in God? What’s the difference?

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:05:13pm

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

Me too - the only ones that I could honestly answer correctly were the ones that referred to specific recent events (like the Baltimore question).
Otherwise, it was pretty obvious that Trump’s and a neo-Nazi’s talking points were pretty much interchangeable.

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:09:13pm

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

I failed this quiz

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I did too—got 50%—and got some of the ones I was SURE about wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:09:47pm

Guess who is butthurt about being booed==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:11:36pm

AFP stylebook is very weird==>

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:12:50pm

re: #31 calochortus

Questions, I’ve got questions.

What is a “Corvarubius class photo array, and where can I get one?

Were the mad poisoners working in the back yard, in the open, or can this technology see into houses?

What was this guy smoking and where can I get some?

Closest I can find is a Corvallis High School class picture. Examine the pixels carefully.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:12:56pm

Looks like Marvel just keeps rolling along with the hits. May have to brave the cold to go out and see this tonight.

msn.com

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:14:49pm

re: #78 Belafon

I almost brought up that the Pope accepts evolution but would otherwise meet the definition of fundamentalist.

The Catholic Church leaves the question of evolution/intelligent design/creationism to the individual’s conscious. Though the Vatican has stated that the story of Genesis is alagory from which truth can be derived

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:14:57pm

re: #79 gwangung

Basically, summarizing these arguments and taking them at face value seems overly credulous; accepting there is no religious basis seems overly credulous and dismissive of the scientific evidence…which runs counter to the argument he was quoting. At best, he is being willfully blind; it does not seem to me that being a young earth creationist is out of the realm of possibility.

That’s the way I see it as well. Scalia was basically playing the “teach the controversy” game there, and being coy about his own religious beliefs.

However, as Scalia himself said, those beliefs are irrelevant. What was significant here is that Scalia would have apparently upheld the LA creationism law. That makes him a creationist.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:17:11pm

re: #45 dell*nix

Remember, this happened in Marfa. This is where they see lights in the sky from UFOs.

Actually, the (still-poorly-explained) Marfa Lights are usually seen on or close to the ground, not in the sky. They have usually been identified as inversion-layer reflections of automobile lights; but I’m sure some RWNJ theorist is probably already cooking up some “connection” to Justice Scalia’s demise. All the juicier for “mystical” woo-woo…

One interesting factoid though:

Marfa is located at an altitude of 4,688 ft (1,429 m) above sea level, and temperature differentials of 50-60 °F (28-33 °C) between high and low temperatures are quite common.

IT WUZ A CONSPIRACY!! THEY LURED THAT POOR OLD MAN UP TO THE MOUNTAINS WHERE HE’D DIE OF TEMPERATURE INVERSION!!11!!!!

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Ghost of Jeb! Campaign's Future  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:17:17pm

re: #84 The Vicious Babushka

AFP stylebook is very weird==> F**ked up.

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Fixed for greater accuracy.

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gwangung  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:18:04pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

That’s the way I see it as well. Scalia was basically playing the “teach the controversy” game there, and being coy about his own religious beliefs.

However, as Scalia himself said, those beliefs are irrelevant. What was significant here is that Scalia would have apparently upheld the LA creationism law. That makes him a creationist.

Yes, it’s like summarizing the arguments of someone who does not believe DNA exists and taking their word as valid in a forensic science argument.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:18:20pm

re: #85 Reality Based Steve

Closest I can find is a Corvallis High School class picture. Examine the pixels carefully.

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Makes as much sense as anything else.

BBL

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:18:20pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

However, as Scalia himself said, those beliefs are irrelevant. What was significant here is that Scalia would have apparently upheld the LA creationism law. That makes him a creationist.

That makes him a guy who doesn’t give a damn about the separation of church and state. That doesn’t make him a creationist (whether he was one or not).

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:19:33pm

re: #51 jaunte

I don’t see how teaching creation science could have a secular purpose.

There is no such thing as creation “science”.

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ausador  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:19:34pm

Did you know that Hillary is singlehandedly responsible for the Syrian civil war? Sigh…

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:21:25pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

I forgot my “quotation marks”

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:24:15pm

re: #96 jaunte

I wasn’t directing that at you. It’s becoming all too common in the media, just more of the MBF that they all live and die by.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:28:32pm

re: #86 danarchy

Looks like Marvel just keeps rolling along with the hits. May have to brave the cold to go out and see this tonight.

msn.com

Marvel Studios doesn’t own the rights to Deadpool, 20th Century Fox does.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:32:49pm

re: #80 Nyet

If believing in Satan means you’re a fundamentalist, why not believing in God? What’s the difference?

I’d argue there’s a difference between using the concept of “Satan” as a metaphor for the existence of evil, and believing that the devil is an actual real person who exists in the real world, as Scalia said.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:33:59pm

re: #95 ausador

Did you know that Hillary is singlehandedly responsible for the Syrian civil war? Sigh…

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Good thing Chuck C. Johnson stopped her.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:34:24pm

re: #98 Belafon

Marvel Studios doesn’t own the rights to Deadpool, 20th Century Fox does.

Which means we might one day get to see Deadpool and Wolverine share the screen in a non-ridiculous fashion, but we’re never going to see the two fighting alongside the Avengers until Disney buys Fox or Fox allows the rights to expire.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:36:28pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I’d argue there’s a difference between using the concept of “Satan” as a metaphor for the existence of evil, and believing that the devil is an actual real person who exists in the real world, as Scalia said.

That wasn’t my question. What’s the difference between believing in a personal God and in a personal Satan? Are all religious people who believe in a personal God fundies? Arguably, believing in real Satan is small potatoes compared to accepting an infinite, omniscient, omnipotent person.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:41:26pm

And it’s not comparable to, say, YECism. YECs deny the scientific facts.
Satan is like God though - not amenable to scientific analysis (unless concrete claims are made about particular events).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:43:27pm

re: #102 Nyet

When you say God and Satan are actual real persons and all the acts ascribed to them in the Bible actually happened in the real world, that to me is the definition of fundamentalism.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:47:05pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

When you say God and Satan are actual real persons and all the acts ascribed to them in the Bible actually happened in the real world, that to me is the definition of fundamentalism.

If a person says that Satan is an actual real person, but does not claim that all the acts ascribed to him in the Bible actually happened in the real world, are they a fundy?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:48:22pm

Stupidest Dumbass on the Internet is freaking out at speculation that Obama might use recess appointment to get a “far left justice” on the Supreme Court.

thegatewaypundit.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:49:03pm

Ok so I think I can shed some light on that whole Covarrubias array thing…

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gwangung  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:49:39pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Stupidest Dumbass on the Internet is freaking out at speculation that Obama might use recess appointment to get a “far left justice” on the Supreme Court.

thegatewaypundit.com

Isnt this part of the process?

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:49:47pm

Heh…might as well go all the way Republicans!

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:49:49pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Stupidest Dumbass on the Internet is freaking out at speculation that Obama might use recess appointment to get a “far left justice” on the Supreme Court.

thegatewaypundit.com

Then they should be all in favor of Obama appointing and the Senate approving a moderate justice to forestall this dreadful state, right?

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:49:50pm

re: #94 Skip Intro

Can’t be falsified. Can’t be reproduced. Offers no problem solving mechanisms.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:50:03pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Dunno, I think he was talking about Marita./

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:50:04pm

re: #93 Nyet

That makes him a guy who doesn’t give a damn about the separation of church and state. That doesn’t make him a creationist (whether he was one or not).

Good point. After all, creationism is not the only motive to not care about separation of church and state in the US. Anti-gay bigotry is the other motive.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:51:16pm

tre: #106 Charles Johnson

Stupidest Dumbass on the Internet is freaking out at speculation that Obama might use recess appointment to get a “far left justice” on the Supreme Court.

thegatewaypundit.com

I think he should put Sri Srinivasan as a recess appointment and then ask Republicans to publicly make the case for why that was wrong of him to do.

Senate should have a say? Fine, give him a hearing and an up-or-down vote, otherwise you’re wasting your breath.

Next president should be the one to nominate? It’s a recess appointment, which means it expires when the next guy takes office.

Presidents should not nominate in their last year? Two words: Anthony Kennedy.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:52:13pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Stupidest Dumbass on the Internet is freaking out at speculation that Obama might use recess appointment to get a “far left justice” on the Supreme Court.

thegatewaypundit.com

When is recess? Is there ever going to be recess again?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:52:21pm

re: #112 Nyet

Dunno, I think he was talking about Marita./

Funnily enough it was that character that led me to the correct spelling of the name which, when I googled it along with “array” shed some light on what that nutbar meant.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:52:55pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

Yep, that too. I think the point was to allow the Christian establishment to do whatever the heck they wanted. I mean, “states’ rights” was also not literally about states’ rights.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:53:02pm

re: #105 Nyet

Does anyone actually believe that? I’ve never seen any religious person make that argument. If you believe the devil is an actual “real person,” it’s pretty much a given that you also believe everything in the Bible is literal truth.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:54:24pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Hypotheticals about recess appointments are kind of pointless. The Senate already never goes into recess to stop recess appointments.

Obama should make a good nomination and follow the usual process. Let all the game-playing come from Republicans.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:54:48pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Does anyone actually believe that? I’ve never seen any religious person make that argument. If you believe the devil is an actual “real person,” it’s pretty much a given that you also believe everything in the Bible is literal truth.

No, it’s not a given at all. Maybe you don’t talk a lot to believers. Anyway, Pope Francis believes in the actual devil but doesn’t believe everything in the Bible is literal truth.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:58:08pm

re: #120 Nyet

No, it’s not a given at all. Maybe you don’t talk a lot to believers. Anyway, Pope Francis believes in the actual devil but doesn’t believe everything in the Bible is literal truth.

That’s not what he said in the quotes you posted above. Saying “the devil exists” isn’t the same thing as saying “the devil is a real person.” All of the Pope’s statements about the devil could easily be interpreted as a metaphor for the existence of evil in the world. He doesn’t personify the devil like Scalia did.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 1:58:44pm

re: #120 Nyet

No, it’s not a given at all. Maybe you don’t talk a lot to believers. Anyway, Pope Francis believes in the actual devil but doesn’t believe everything in the Bible is literal truth.

This is why my preferred definition of “religious fundamentalism” is political. I don’t care what other peoples’ religious beliefs are. I do care if they want to take the US back to a 12th century theocracy.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:00:20pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

That’s not what he said in the quotes you posted above. Saying “the devil exists” isn’t the same thing as saying “the devil is a real person.” All of the Pope’s statements about the devil could easily be interpreted as a metaphor for the existence of evil in the world. He doesn’t personify the devil like Scalia did.

Nope, there’s nothing at all to suggest a metaphorical interpretation. He clearly believes in the real devil and demons.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:00:53pm

I’m not making excuses for Pope Francis, either. He’s way too much of a literalist for me, although I wouldn’t describe him as a fundamentalist because he does depart from literalism on many important issues.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:02:43pm
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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:04:29pm
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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:04:35pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Which means we might one day get to see Deadpool and Wolverine share the screen in a non-ridiculous fashion, but we’re never going to see the two fighting alongside the Avengers until Disney buys Fox or Fox allows the rights to expire.

The Marvel characters’ film rights are just a hot mess, mainly stemming from Marvel’s corporate decline and bankruptcy in the 90s:

Fox holds the rights to Deadpool, X-Men, and Fantastic Four.

Sony holds the rights to Spider-Man.

Universal holds the distribution rights but no longer holds the production rights, for the Hulk; they also had/have right of first refusal on the 2008’s The Incredible Hulk with Mark Ruffalo and future standalone Hulk movies. They also own the rights to pretty much all major Marvel characters for use in the Universal Studios parks in perpetuity, which means, barring Universal selling those rights back to Disney, you’ll likely never see Marvel characters in any Disney theme park.

Paramount held the distribution rights to all of the MCU movies until 2013, from Iron Man through Captain America: The First Avenger (with the exception of the aforementioned The Incredible Hulk, which belongs to Universal), and had a distribution credit/profit-sharing deal with Disney for The Avengers and Iron Man 3, after which, all rights reverted to Disney/Marvel.

Lastly, Disney holds the rights to everything else in the Marvel universe, through their purchase of Marvel in 2009; also, Disney and Sony have a deal to allow the use of Spider-Man in an upcoming MCU movie, plus joint control of another standalone S-M movie.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:06:22pm

The Catholic Church has become much more fundamentalist over all in recent years. When I was growing up, going to Catholic schools, the literalism was much less pronounced. In fact, I had teachers — nuns and brothers — who specifically argued against literalism.

I don’t think that happens much any more, and that’s sad.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:08:00pm
“Until a few years ago, a significant number of people in the Church didn’t believe in the Devil, but people are now going back to the Scriptures,” said a British exorcist priest from Birmingham who asked not to be named.
“Pope Francis has given a certain amount of encouragement to that. A few years ago at least half the dioceses in England and Wales did not have an exorcist. Now, pretty much all of them do.”

telegraph.co.uk

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:11:05pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

The Catholic Church has become much more fundamentalist over all in recent years. When I was growing up, going to Catholic schools, the literalism was much less pronounced. In fact, I had teachers — nuns and brothers — who specifically argued against literalism.

I don’t think that happens much any more, and that’s sad.

Politics and power. They are losing members so they may be going in for what sells. If being more fundamental works and brings more members back or creates new, good for the church coffers.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:11:27pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Quite a leap from antenna array to imaging array, unless the antenna IS the imaging array.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:11:31pm

re: #115 Belafon

When is recess? Is there ever going to be recess again?

Actually, I found a link to (of all things) a relatively derp-free post on Instapundit (amazing, I know) outlining that very scenario. Apparently, the Senate has actually (formally) recessed until Feb. 22 - obviously not expecting Justice Scalia to kick the bucket in the interim - and that will make a recess of exactly ten days: which the poster thinks is pretty much the dividing line between a “real” and “not-real” recess, seemingly.

Of course, Jim Hoft gets everything ass-backwards and wrong, but what do we expect?

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:12:14pm

re: #132 Eric The Fruit Bat

Quite a leap from antenna array to imaging array, unless the antenna IS the imaging array.

A leap…for a sane person.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:13:20pm

re: #133 Jay C

Actually, I found a link to (of all things) a relatively derp-free post on Instapundit (amazing, I know) outlining that very scenario. Apparently, the Senate has actually (formally) recessed until Feb. 22 - obviously not expecting Justice Scalia to kick the bucket in the interim - and that will make a recess of exactly ten days: which the poster thinks is pretty much the dividing line between a “real” and “not-real” recess, seemingly.

Of course, Jim Hoft gets everything ass-backwards and wrong, but what do we expect?

Except the Whitehouse has already released a statement saying they would not be making a recess appointment, so it is a moot point.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:14:21pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:15:34pm

re: #135 danarchy

Except the Whitehouse has already released a statement saying they would not be making a recess appointment, so it is a moot point.

I hate to play politics, but it’s better for Democrats if he doesn’t. A recess appointment would only benefit Republicans, and Scalia wasn’t the oldest member. There will be more appointments soon, and two of them are on the liberal side.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:16:41pm

OT: Good opinion piece. No comments posted yet, but I’m sure the trolls & bigots will pile on as soon as they get wind of it.

Charles Silver, Texas Perspectives: Ideal government in America shouldn’t push any religion

In Texas, public officials regularly use public funds and public power in ways that make non-Christians feel like second-class citizens who are not welcome, or at least, not equal.

Gov. Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton did this most recently by supporting the Brewster County sheriff’s effort to put Christian crosses on patrol cars. Before that, Abbott forced removal from the Capitol of a properly permitted display erected by the Freedom From Religion Foundation that, he claimed, mocked the Christian faith. And before that, Abbott and Paxton supported the efforts of cheerleaders at Kountze High School to use banners to display Bible verses on the football field. […]

Having been born into a Jewish family and learned of the Spanish Inquisition, Cossack-led pogroms in Eastern Europe and Holocaust, I can tell you that I do not want a police car bearing a Christian cross pulling up behind me with lights flashing and sirens blaring. The combination of religion and government muscle hasn’t been good for the Jews. […]

wacotrib.com

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:18:09pm

Here I will bring up that we all concluded that the winner of the previous (end of January) GOP debate was, in fact, Satan:

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:19:42pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Oops, forgot the link. Fixed above, also:

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:19:51pm

Afternoon lizards!

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:20:09pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Long time no see.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:20:33pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

OT: Good opinion piece. No comments posted yet, but I’m sure the trolls & bigots will pile on as soon as they get wind of it.

You’re free to practice any religion you want, as long as it’s Christianity.

//

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:20:39pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:21:24pm

re: #144 freetoken

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And thank Dog for that.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:21:43pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Dude! Didya fall off the earth?

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:22:28pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Hiya.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:22:48pm

Thing is, as I’ve pointed out to wingnuts again and again, Roberts was totally with the conservative votes on the bench to axe the individual mandate. The problem was that they wanted to use that to argue that the act in its entirety was unconstitutional and thus had to be struck down. He opposed that, whether due to fear for the court’s reputation or his own, and so sided with the liberal interpretation of the mandate as a tax that was within Congress’ power to tax.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:22:55pm

w2.vatican.va

We could ask ourselves: “Is the salvation that Jesus gives us free?”. Yes, Francis answered, “but you have to protect it!”. And as Paul writes, to do so we have to “put on the whole armor of God” for “one cannot think of a spiritual life, a Christian life” without “withstanding temptations, without battling the Devil”.

And to think, Francis stated, they wanted us to believe “that the Devil was a myth, a figure, an idea, the idea of evil”. However, “the Devil exists and we have to fight against him”. St Paul recalls it, “the Word of God says it”, yet it seems that “we aren’t quite convinced” of this reality.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:25:38pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Hey! You were moving when last seen. Are you back for the 2016 duration?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:27:15pm

re: #149 Nyet

w2.vatican.va

Francis is a Keyser Soze fan.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:28:57pm

I never left! Just decided to spend as much time with my kids. They are now officially teenagers. It wont be long before they are gone, gotta enjoy them for now.

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:29:36pm
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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:30:14pm

re: #152 NJDhockeyfan

I never left! Just decided to spend as much time with my kids. They are now officially teenagers. It wont be long before they are gone, gotta enjoy them for now.

Right decision.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:30:16pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Hey! You were moving when last seen. Are you back for the 2016 duration?

I rented a shitty house for 2 years then bought a beautiful one last August. Tennessee was a very good move for all of us :)

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:30:28pm

These people are completely divorced from reality.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:31:33pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

He has half his brain tied behind his back.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:32:24pm

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

I rented a shitty house for 2 years then bought a beautiful one last August. Tennessee was a very good move for all of us :)

Now we need to recover CCA and Sattv for the morning shift.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:34:27pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

And FBV.

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:35:40pm

The RedState bumpkin, offers as proof, the discover of old chemical weapons, and in quoting himself:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

He seems to ignore that the reason the Bush administration is criticized is because the Bush administration made it sound like Iraq was developing new WMD. The previous use of chemical weapons against Iran had been well documented and no one doubted that.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:35:52pm

Have I missed any flounces?

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:37:02pm

re: #89 Jay C

Actually, the (still-poorly-explained) Marfa Lights are usually seen on or close to the ground, not in the sky. They have usually been identified as inversion-layer reflections of automobile lights; but I’m sure some RWNJ theorist is probably already cooking up some “connection” to Justice Scalia’s demise. All the juicier for “mystical” woo-woo…

One interesting factoid though:

IT WUZ A CONSPIRACY!! THEY LURED THAT POOR OLD MAN UP TO THE MOUNTAINS WHERE HE’D DIE OF TEMPERATURE INVERSION!!11!!!!

I spent about 2 weeks at the airfield outside of Marfa when I was in the Army. Our pilots were training for high altitude flight, I remember that it got pretty cool at night, even in the summer. We were having dinner each night at the local collage dining facility. It was a pretty good little trip all in all.

RBS

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:37:04pm

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Have I missed any flounces?

Haven’t seen you for a while. I hope you’ve been having fun.

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:37:33pm

Do these people not realize the full moon isn’t for another week?

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:37:47pm

re: #149 Nyet

Same speech from another report:

catholicnewsagency.com

“In this generation, like so many others, people have been led to believe that the devil is a myth, a figure, an idea, the idea of evil. But the devil exists and we must fight against him,” the Pope told those present in the Vatican’s Saint Martha house for his Oct. 30 daily Mass.

[…]

The Bishop of Rome pointed out how there are many in the current generation who no longer believe in the devil, but rather think of him as “a myth, a figure, an idea, the idea of evil.”

However the devil does exist and we must constantly be on guard, he said, noting how “Paul tells us this, it’s not me saying it! The Word of God is telling us this. But we’re not all convinced of this.”

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:37:56pm

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Holy shit!

LTNS…you still kicking around here in Nash Vegas?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:38:06pm

re: #160 freetoken

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The RedState bumpkin, offers as proof, the discover of old chemical weapons, and in quoting himself:

He seems to ignore that the reason the Bush administration is criticized is because the Bush administration made it sound like Iraq was developing new WMD. The previous use of chemical weapons against Iran had been well documented and no one doubted that.

The chemical rounds encountered were badly-demilled or long abandoned inventory from the Iran War era.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:40:26pm
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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:40:58pm

re: #168 Kragar

Oh, FFS…

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:41:07pm

re: #165 Nyet

Same speech from another report:

If you accept the devil actually exists as an actual entity, then you accept that an omnipotent god created him and allows him to run free. What does that say about your compassionate, all knowing god? Why do you need a devil if you are going to allow creatures with free will? Humans occasionally need to be nudged to do evil?

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:41:12pm

re: #168 Kragar

That’s what Ann Coulter wanted to do to J. Stevens, if memory serves.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:42:06pm

re: #171 Nyet

That’s what Ann Coulter wanted to do to J. Stevens, if memory serves.

To paraphrase…. If I had to drink with Ann Coulter, I’d take it.

RBS

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:42:11pm

re: #168 Kragar

Alex Jones claims Obama killed Scalia, maybe had someone slip something into his drink

That’s why Alex drinks only rainwater and pure grain alcohol.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:42:48pm

re: #170 Belafon

If you accept the devil actually exists as an actual entity, then you accept that an omnipotent god created him and allows him to run free. What does that say about your compassionate, all knowing god? Why do you need a devil if you are going to allow creatures with free will? Humans occasionally need to be nudged to do evil?

“These questions show that you’re of the Devil. GET AWAY FROM ME SATAN!”

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:42:49pm

re: #163 b_sharp

Haven’t seen you for a while. I hope you’ve been having fun.

Thanks, been having lots of fun. It’s great living near my family that I only used to see once a year. My kids go to a great school and I’m in a rural area, no crime.

The only thing missing around here is a seafood restaurant. In all of the Nashville area, not one seafood restaurant. (Red Lobster and Joe’s Crab Shack don’t count)

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:43:05pm

re: #170 Belafon

If you accept the devil actually exists as an actual entity, then you accept that an omnipotent god created him and allows him to run free. What does that say about your compassionate, all knowing god? Why do you need a devil if you are going to allow creatures with free will? Humans occasionally need to be nudged to do evil?

The devil and fallen angels were the Beta test for humans.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:43:43pm

Climate change denier and shill for the tobacco industry Steven Milloy is asking questions.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:43:57pm

re: #166 TedStriker

Holy shit!

LTNS…you still kicking around here in Nash Vegas?

Yup! Great snow storms this year….got 11 inches a couple weeks ago.

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b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:44:05pm

re: #168 Kragar

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If Obama kills all of these threats to him then why is Alex Jones still alive?

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:44:16pm

re: #175 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks, been having lots of fun. It’s great living near my family that I only used to see once a year. My kids go to a great school and I’m in a rural area, no crime.

The only thing missing around here is a seafood restaurant. In all of the Nashville area, not one seafood restaurant. (Red Lobster and Joe’s Crab Shack don’t count)

That’s the truth. I came here from Seattle, by way of Alaska. Yea…. you can get all kinds of seafood here, Fried catfish, Baked Catfish, Broiled Catfish, Blackened Catfish.

RBS

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:44:48pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

Hey, he’s just asking questions.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:45:04pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

“Junk Science” is an apt name for what he does.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:45:17pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Yup! Great snow storms this year….got 11 inches a couple weeks ago.

WOW… you got a LOT more than we did up highway 50 miles or so. We probably only had 4-6 max from that last big storm.

RBS

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:45:29pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Yup! Great snow storms this year….got 11 inches a couple weeks ago.

Oh, don’t I know it…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:45:50pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

That’s why Alex drinks only rainwater and pure grain alcohol.

No rainwater-chemtrails! Only steam-distilled water for our boy Alex-it leaches out all the impurities out of his precious bodily fluids, dochtaknow….

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:46:03pm

re: #168 Kragar

Facebook Post

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:47:10pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Now we need to recover CCA and Sattv for the morning shift.

Dark should be happy—it’ll no longer feel like it’s him against the world, heh. Sometimes he makes me crazy, but even when I disagree with him I’ve gotta give him credit for his dogged persistence and for the fact that he (almost) always remains civil.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:47:28pm

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:48:12pm

re: #180 Reality Based Steve

That’s the truth. I came here from Seattle, by way of Alaska. Yea…. you can get all kinds of seafood here, Fried catfish, Baked Catfish, Broiled Catfish, Blackened Catfish.

RBS

Nashville is growing leaps and bounds. They are saying 1 million new people will be living here within the next 10 year. Lots of folks from both east and west coasts already live here. I am positive a great seafood restaurant would be a goldmine. I just need to find some cash.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:48:39pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

The devil and fallen angels were the Beta test for humans.

And I could buy that as a software engineer. God asks himself “How do I make sure they are truly free if I don’t tempt them properly? And the best part is I can punish them for it later.”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:49:03pm
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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:49:44pm

“…they’ve been appointing people who are beyond Rachel Maddow in their tyranny…” (c)AJ

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:49:44pm

re: #180 Reality Based Steve

That’s the truth. I came here from Seattle, by way of Alaska. Yea…. you can get all kinds of seafood here, Fried catfish, Baked Catfish, Broiled Catfish, Blackened Catfish.

RBS

There is a little town, Salina, where all the KY kids used to go for the under-age marriage rules. They also had a massive catfish festival. If you drove through town with the windows down, the locals would throw trays into your car.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:52:30pm

re: #190 Belafon

And I could buy that as a software engineer. God asks himself “How do I make sure they are truly free if I don’t tempt them properly? And the best part is I can punish them for it later.”

Yeah, but are we Angel v2.0 or v1.1?

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:52:47pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Oh, don’t I know it…

My kids have been begging for snow since we moved here. In Virginia we measured snow by the foot every year. We get a decent storm and what do they do? Stay inside.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:53:24pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Yes, it is a terrifying possibility. Not that Obama would have murdered Scalia, but that to you it seems like a rational thought to entertain.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:54:47pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Yeah, but are we Angel v2.0 or v1.1?

Angel: Beneath The Sword.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:55:20pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Yeah, but are we Angel v2.0 or v1.1?

If God’s an engineer, then all those new features he added on made us worse.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:55:31pm

re: #180 Reality Based Steve

That’s the truth. I came here from Seattle, by way of Alaska. Yea…. you can get all kinds of seafood here, Fried catfish, Baked Catfish, Broiled Catfish, Blackened Catfish.

RBS

Ask any locals around here where to get some great seafood and they point to a steak restaurant. “They got some good catfish!”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:56:09pm

re: #198 Belafon

If God’s an engineer, then all those new features he added on made us worse.

Self-directing development team.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:56:40pm

re: #198 Belafon

So the great theological question, then should not be “good vs. evil”, but “bug vs. feature”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:56:51pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Hopefully not 3.1.1. :p

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:57:25pm

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully not 3.1.1. :p

Human Vista.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:57:46pm

re: #183 Reality Based Steve

WOW… you got a LOT more than we did up highway 50 miles or so. We probably only had 4-6 max from that last big storm.

RBS

I’m 15 minutes from the Ky line. We always get more than Nashville.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:57:46pm

re: #198 Belafon

If God’s an engineer, then all those new features he added on made us worse.

No, we did that to ourselves in the Garden of Eden remember?

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unproven innocence  Feb 14, 2016 • 2:58:38pm

re: #201 Jay C

So the great theological question, then should not be “good vs. evil”, but “bug vs. feature”?

There’s a fucking manual?! Who knew? /

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:00:27pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

New World Order? So are they gonna blame it on the Jews and their vast Zionist conspiracy now? They’re part of the NWO conspiracy theory. It seems to have a lot of moving parts though, so who the hell knows.

New World Order (conspiracy theory)
1 History of the term
2 Conspiracy theories
        2.1 End Time
        2.2 Freemasonry
        2.3 Illuminati
        2.4 The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
        2.5 Round Table
        2.6 The Open Conspiracy
        2.7 New Age
        2.8 Fourth Reich
        2.9 Alien invasion
        2.10 Brave New World
[…]

en.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:00:49pm

re: #198 Belafon

If God’s an engineer, then all those new features he added on made us worse.

Yeah, “intelligent design” like putting a waste processing plant next to an amusement park.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:01:33pm

re: #26 ObserverArt

Remember the term lunatic fringe?

It is no longer on the fringes. It is now mainstream, at least in the political world.

Thanks to the likes of Fox, Breitbart, Drudge, and Rush, the lunatic fringe is mainstream. Add to that melange of madness, Alex Jones, who’s bring along conspiratorial and delusional mayhem to the mix.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:02:31pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Those don’t even make the Top 10 Songs. //

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:03:33pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

I’m 15 minutes from the Ky line. We always get more than Nashville.

shit then… you’ve got to be near me. I-24 or I-65 corridor if I may ask? (C-ville here)

RBS

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:03:51pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

No, we did that to ourselves in the Garden of Eden remember?

It would still have to have been done by someone, each little detail, it didn’t just appear by itself.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:04:46pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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Of course, because our GOP-led Congress would totally be on board with that. //

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:04:50pm

He’s got more than a million likes for that page.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:06:14pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

The Catholic Church has become much more fundamentalist over all in recent years. When I was growing up, going to Catholic schools, the literalism was much less pronounced. In fact, I had teachers — nuns and brothers — who specifically argued against literalism.

Politics and power. They are losing members so they may be going in for what sells. If being more fundamental works and brings more members back or creates new, good for the church coffers.

A lot of the fundy churches have been been going in for what sells to the point where Christ’s teachings are essentially lost. Jesus taught people to love, to turn the other cheek and to focus on one’s own failures and sins rather than judging others or casting the first stone. He also cautioned against theatric displays of phony piety. Clearly hating on gay people, people on welfare, people who want birth control, people who get or provide abortions, people with drug problems, and in some cases even inter-racial couples is much more appealing to some “religious” folk and certain churches than aspiring to be loving, generous, patient and kind.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:07:16pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

No doubt Drudge will be touting that page before long. Drudge has done more than anyone else to mainstream that conspiratorial loon.

Of course, now GOPers think that a stop on the Jones’ show is where to go. Trump and Rand have already paid visits.

A generation ago, someone like Jones would be cranking out paper newsletters in his basement and hollering at the moon. Now he’s got millions of followers spreading his baffling BS.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:07:21pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

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He’s got more than a million likes for that page.

In the less technologically advanced age, Alex Jones would be the crazy guy with a mimeographed newsletter who hung out at the local park, and you prayed you didn’t make eye contact with.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:07:31pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

New World Order? So are they gonna blame it on the Jews and their vast Zionist conspiracy now? They’re part of the NWO conspiracy theory, though it seems to have a lot of moving parts so who the hell knows.

I was stationed in Europe when the wall came down. Shortly after I heard GHWB speak of the NWO. Total deskbanging moment.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:08:29pm

re: #216 lawhawk

No doubt Drudge will be touting that page before long. Drudge has done more than anyone else to mainstream that conspiratorial loon.

Of course, now GOPers think that a stop on the Jones’ show is where to go. Trump and Rand have already paid visits.

A generation ago, someone like Jones would be cranking out paper newsletters in his basement and hollering at the moon. Now he’s got millions of followers spreading his baffling BS.

Ya beat me by 5 seconds…. but I used the word Technologically so I’m calling it a tie. :)

RBS

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:08:36pm

re: #211 Reality Based Steve

shit then… you’ve got to be near me. I-24 or I-65 corridor if I may ask? (C-ville here)

RBS

65….just north of WH.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:10:15pm

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

65….just north of WH.

Ok. I’ve done some bicycle rides out that way. Pretty area.

RBS

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Swift2991  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:10:48pm

You resort to conspiracy theories when your basic idea of the way the world works keeps coming up with 22. Busted. Nothing actually makes sense to the true believer in a false theory, so an external cause — devil or angel or deux ex machina — has to be found. It’s the only explanation you’ve got.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:10:52pm

Phil the Thrill might sneak another in.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:11:18pm

re: #221 Reality Based Steve

Ok. I’ve done some bicycle rides out that way. Pretty area.

RBS

It is beautiful. The turkeys out here…OMG…huge!

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unproven innocence  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:12:15pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Thank you again for patiently offering me a clue about Alex Jones’ business model, apocolypse-oriented fearmongering ways, and general lack of ethics, years ago when I was on dialup.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:12:35pm

re: #222 Swift2991

You resort to conspiracy theories when your basic idea of the way the world works keeps coming up with 22. Busted. Nothing actually makes sense to the true believer in a false theory, so an external cause — devil or angel or deux ex machina — has to be found. It’s the only explanation you’ve got.

nature.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:12:46pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:15:11pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Heh.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:15:15pm

re: #219 Reality Based Steve

I’m in a magnanimous mood. Saw Deadpool with the Mrs. It was the feel-bad Valentine’s smash hit I didn’t know I was looking for.

Morena Baccarin can still bring it. Yowza. Mrs. didn’t mind Ryan Reynolds better half either. So, there was something for the whole family. Speaking of which, there were a lot of parents bringing pre-teens into this movie. I wouldn’t recommend the movie due to the graphic violence (which was more realistic than cartoon-y), and the language/nudity.

Though, to be fair, there’s nothing gratuitous about Morena. She is a wonder to behold.

Lots of humor, and 4th wall shattering. A popcorn flick that takes and elevates the basic origin story (spoiler - no spoiler).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:15:16pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:15:18pm

re: #222 Swift2991

You resort to conspiracy theories when your basic idea of the way the world works keeps coming up with 22. Busted. Nothing actually makes sense to the true believer in a false theory, so an external cause — devil or angel or deux ex machina — has to be found. It’s the only explanation you’ve got.

Better Link:

Moralistic gods, supernatural punishment and the expansion of human sociality

nature.com

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:17:48pm

re: #229 lawhawk

I’m in a magnanimous mood. Saw Deadpool with the Mrs. It was the feel-bad Valentine’s smash hit I didn’t know I was looking for.

Morena Baccarin can still bring it. Yowza. Mrs. didn’t mind Ryan Reynolds better half either. So, there was something for the whole family. Speaking of which, there were a lot of parents bringing pre-teens into this movie. I wouldn’t recommend the movie due to the graphic violence (which was more realistic than cartoon-y), and the language/nudity.

Though, to be fair, there’s nothing gratuitous about Morena. She is a wonder to behold.

Lots of humor, and 4th wall shattering. A popcorn flick that takes and elevates the basic origin story (spoiler - no spoiler).

Thanks for the review. I think my plan now is to go see it tomorrow afternoon, since Monday is my day off each week. Was going today, but the weather got sucky and I decided to do some house cleaning instead.

RBS

RBS

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:18:03pm

Something I wrote for the HC blog that might be of some general historical interest:

A Study In Hypocrisy: The “Revisionist” Treatment Of The “Soviet Gas Vans”.

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NJDhockeyfan  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:19:16pm

Gotta go. See you guys later :)

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:20:37pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

A whole laundry list of right wingers seem to ignore the Constitution when it suits them. The president selects, the Senate confirms - advise and consent.

The Senate’s job isn’t to obstruct, and yet the right wingers to a person all seem to think that means they get to prevent Obama from even picking Scalia’s replacement. It’s weird how divorced from the rule of law they have become.

Let the GOP in the Senate try to filibuster or block Obama’s pick from getting a hearing. That will play awesomely in November. If there wasn’t enough pressure to GOTV, that’d do it to make sure that Democrats come out in numbers. It also puts more pressure on Sanders and other leading Democrats in the Senate to take the lead and demand an up/down vote in Committee and the full Senate on Obama’s picks.

The right wing also predictably throws out Bork into the mix, ignoring what actually happened.

Bork had his confirmation hearing. The Judiciary voted against his confirmation. Bork wanted the full Senate. They also voted against. He wasn’t the right candidate. Reagan then went with Kennedy, who was. Was it a long process? Yes - in part because Reagan essentially screwed up the nomination process by not withdrawing Bork when he saw that he couldn’t pass the committee.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:23:48pm

Just got back from my ride.

It was so much nicer when the road over Crystal Springs Dam was there, but it’s being replaced because the dam was improved. Here’s the thing - they started this in 2010. They’re projecting reopening it in 2017. 7 years, for one measly stretch of road shorter than a football field.

The Bay Bridge was built in 3 years. Hoover Dam took 5 years. What is taking so long? What, do they have like 3 guys and only one shovel between ‘em?

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:26:21pm

I sure agree.

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Swift2991  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:26:31pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

I was taught high school by Jesuits, in a college that had a functioning biology department. The priest who ran the department was a scientist, and I assure you, evolution was taught there without apologetics.

And the smartest teacher I’ve ever had in a classroom, a Jesuit, talked extensively about myths and what the background of Genesis was, pointed out the inconsistent and obviously wrong details, and the obvious prehistoric quality of it, when very very little was actually known about the facts of nature. He then explained what it was all an allegory about in “the Church’s” opinion. I didn’t agree with the dogma, but he explained what Genesis was a story about, and that taking it as literal truth is, well, stupid.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:27:00pm

re: #216 lawhawk

No doubt Drudge will be touting that page before long. Drudge has done more than anyone else to mainstream that conspiratorial loon.

Of course, now GOPers think that a stop on the Jones’ show is where to go. Trump and Rand have already paid visits.

A generation ago, someone like Jones would be cranking out paper newsletters in his basement and hollering at the moon. Now he’s got millions of followers spreading his baffling BS.

And he’s making money!!!!

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:27:25pm

re: #229 lawhawk

I’m in a magnanimous mood. Saw Deadpool with the Mrs. It was the feel-bad Valentine’s smash hit I didn’t know I was looking for.

Morena Baccarin can still bring it. Yowza. Mrs. didn’t mind Ryan Reynolds better half either. So, there was something for the whole family. Speaking of which, there were a lot of parents bringing pre-teens into this movie. I wouldn’t recommend the movie due to the graphic violence (which was more realistic than cartoon-y), and the language/nudity.

Though, to be fair, there’s nothing gratuitous about Morena. She is a wonder to behold.

Lots of humor, and 4th wall shattering. A popcorn flick that takes and elevates the basic origin story (spoiler - no spoiler).

What do you mean still? She’s only 36 years old.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:27:35pm

re: #237 Tigger2

Forever, too.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:28:38pm

The source the DK post links to is an understanding read: Selected Statements from Republican Senators on the Constitutionality of Filibustering Nominees and the Deference Owed to the President’s Nomineesr

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freetoken  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:28:48pm

As we’ve all noticed, today the rabid right are falling all over themselves trying to prove who is the TRUE CONSERVATIVE!

This may be the best part of Donald John Trump: he’s tripping up the religious right as they don’t know who to support.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:28:59pm

re: #233 Nyet

Something I wrote for the HC blog that might be of some general historical interest:

A Study In Hypocrisy: The “Revisionist” Treatment Of The “Soviet Gas Vans”.

Seems like the old argument of ‘diffusion’ vs ‘independent invention’. In any case, the technology seems not to have been up to the task. As historiography, yes—a great example of hypocrisy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:30:34pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

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The source the DK post links to is an understanding read: Selected Statements from Republican Senators on the Constitutionality of Filibustering Nominees and the Deference Owed to the President’s Nomineesr

Republicans in 2005: “The President shouldn’t need a supermajority to get his nominees seated! He’s got a ‘mandate’! They should get votes!!!”

Republicans in 2016: “Presidents should not nominate in an election year! The people should decide who they want on the bench! We will not allow a vote on any nominees!!!”

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:31:00pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

We know the genesis of the Nazi gas vans from inside out - Pradel/Wentritt trial etc. No relation to the Soviet fluke.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:31:04pm

re: #240 danarchy

Good point. Very good point. I need more chimichangas to make up for that faux pas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:33:22pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

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It’s almost like Obama thinks he’s the President!

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:33:43pm

As always, I’m willing to meet the GOP halfway on this. I’m willing to allow them to filibuster, BUT Rubio, Cruz, and Sanders should have to sit it out since they’re running for the presidency and we don’t want that to influence their votes.

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Jenner7  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:37:10pm

Mom: I’m trying to think of a thoughtful response to someone who thinks Hillary has had people killed to move up the ladder.

Me: Well, there are people who believe Obama killed Scalia. THAT is who you’re dealing with. Nothing will get through to these people.

Mom: You’re kidding? People think that?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:37:58pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:39:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:40:19pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:40:29pm

Cruz is “advising” to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct==>

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:40:43pm

So, here’s their problem. If they don’t go into session, they face recess appointments. If they go into session, Obama will provide them with a nomination.

Choices.. choices.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:41:09pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

It’s almost like Obama thinks he’s the President!

See! I told you.

Where does this arrogant man get off acting like this. He should know his place!

Thank gawd we have Great People like Trump and Cruz to point this out to the dumb loser liberals. It was only those lefty dummies that voted for him. He’s not my president…not with a name like Hussein Obama!!!

No sireeeee…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:43:44pm

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz is “advising” to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct==>

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Get bent Ted.

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:43:46pm

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz is “advising” to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct==>

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:45:23pm

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

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And the man who appointed him opened his campaign where they were murdered talking about States Rights.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:45:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:46:28pm

re: #255 lawhawk

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So, here’s their problem. If they don’t go into session, they face recess appointments. If they go into session, Obama will provide them with a nomination.

Choices.. choices.

Good, there is literally no good reason why Obama should not be able to choose a successor for Scalia.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:47:21pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Dear Ted: Perform aerial intercourse on a torus shaped pastry.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:47:42pm

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz is “advising” to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct==>

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And the Senate’s tune will change if Republicans keep it under a Republican president next year. Then it will be “Give our nominees up-or-down votes!”

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Aye Pod  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:48:05pm

re: #243 freetoken

As we’ve all noticed, today the rabid right are falling all over themselves trying to prove who is the TRUE CONSERVATIVE!

This may be the best part of Donald John Trump: he’s tripping up the religious right as they don’t know who to support.

I thought it was interesting, watching the last two debates, that the crowd actually did seem to be unrepresentative. I know Trump isn’t liked by everyone on the republican side, but there is now suddenly a lot of crazy whooping and hollering for Jeb? and a suspiciously large amount of booing for Trump, with no corresponding change in support levels in the polls. I think this disparity will have Trumps supporters fizzing on social media and will have the effect of locking them in even more, if anything.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:49:53pm

re: #255 lawhawk

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So, here’s their problem. If they don’t go into session, they face recess appointments. If they go into session, Obama will provide them with a nomination.

Choices.. choices.

can he recess appoint an SC justice though? And knowing them they will have someone gavel in the session every day like they did in the past

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:50:05pm

Obama needs to point out that Scalia got more respect from the Senate Democrats in the 80’s than the Republicans are giving to someone who they have no idea who it will be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:50:49pm

re: #265 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

can he recess appoint an SC justice though? And knowing them they will have someone gavel in the session every day like they did in the past

I think he can but I don’t think he wants to go down that path for the same reason why I think he prefers signing legislation into laws as opposed to EO’s.

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Aye Pod  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:50:53pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Good, there is literally no good reason why Obama should not be able to choose a successor for Scalia.

If Obama makes his nomination soon, and the republicans stall it out for the rest of Obama’s term, will that be the longest such obstruction ever?

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:51:08pm

re: #265 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

can he recess appoint an SC justice though?

Yeah, for a time. And it’s hard.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:51:20pm

Cruz and Rubio both got their asses spanked on live TV about this last night, Reagan put Kennedy on the bench in his last year in office and to argue that a president should hold off on all nominations in his last year when the people who will be appointed won’t be there to rule on anything during his presidency is asinine. The announcement of a block on even allowing hearings before Scalia was even in the ground shows that this is purely a political play on the GOP’s part to keep the composition of the court in their favor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:52:45pm

re: #268 Aye Pod

If Obama makes his nomination soon, and the republicans stall it out for the rest of Obama’s term, will that be the longest such obstruction ever?

It’d be up there I have to think. I really think by doing this, they’re being really really stupid. They can let Obama choose the successor, someone who will be more likely to be centrist minded given the current Senate or they can block and take their chances on losing the Senate and the Presidency and getting an even more liberal nominee. Part of me almost would be delighted with that but I do want a functioning USSC too and I think President does too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:53:48pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Cruz and Rubio both got their asses spanked on live TV about this last night, Reagan put Kennedy on the bench in his last year in office and to argue that a president should hold off on all nominations in his last year when the people who will be appointed won’t be there to rule on anything during his presidency is asinine. The announcement of a block on even allowing hearings before Scalia was even in the ground shows that this is purely a political play on the GOP’s part to keep the composition of the court in their favor.

John Marshall was named to the court after John Adams had lost the presidency to Thomas Jefferson. I really think this is a battle that they will lose in the eyes of the public but we have to press them like hell on it.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:54:41pm

re: #268 Aye Pod

The Fortas confirmation was a mess. But there are significant differences. Obama hasn’t even indicated who he’d nominate, and the GOP has already signaled that they’d block anyone - or that Obama shouldn’t even bother because it should be left to the next President.

It’s the same way that the right will keep reciting Bork as though it’s a talisman to back their position. Significant differences there too - since Bork did get his confirmation hearings (and the vote in committee and before the full Senate went against him). Had Reagan read the writing on the wall with the committee, he could have filled the seat faster - with Kennedy.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:55:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:55:09pm

George Washington for that matter also made some appointments in an election year.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:57:35pm

Self-righteous Twitter is probably the most annoying Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 3:58:52pm

re: #273 lawhawk

The Fortas confirmation was a mess. But there are significant differences. Obama hasn’t even indicated who he’d nominate, and the GOP has already signaled that they’d block anyone - or that Obama shouldn’t even bother because it should be left to the next President.

It’s the same way that the right will keep reciting Bork as though it’s a talisman to back their position. Significant differences there too - since Bork did get his confirmation hearings (and the vote in committee and before the full Senate went against him). Had Reagan read the writing on the wall with the committee, he could have filled the seat faster - with Kennedy.

Exactly, Reagan chose to put Bork, an extremist in that spot. I have no issue if they have ideological qualms with the nominee but I’m going to be sick if I see Judge Srinivasan who is the favorite at this point and someone that most of them just voted on three years ago without a single objection made out ot be a radical. I don’t think there would have been much controversy at all if they had merely said that they would oppose someone they deemed too extreme. Now what that is subjective of course but saying that would have looked a whole lot ore reasonable than “We’ll block anyone the President chooses” or Lindsay Graham throwing out the name of 82 year old Orrin Hatch as a “compromise.” I think most Democrats would be happy if Obama got someone to the left of Scalia but a bit to the right of Sotomayor and Kagan given the Senate’s current composition.

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Aye Pod  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:00:29pm

re: #265 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

can he recess appoint an SC justice though? And knowing them they will have someone gavel in the session every day like they did in the past

Here’s something on this from scotusblog:

scotusblog.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:00:42pm

Cruz, Rubio, McConnell, and all these guys just have a problem with that Obama is with his selection going to start the beginning of the undoing of the damage that Scalia and the court’s right wing has done since the Rehnquist years. I say good riddance. It’s about time that the court move away from the right for once in my life. This is a reality of our government, the president does get to make appointments.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:02:28pm

Hell to be honest with you guys, I’d be satisfied with a Kennedy like minded judge. Kennedy for all my faults with him on some issues does acknowledge the constitutionality of a woman’s right to choose and the rights of gay couples. I would prefer someone to the left of that but I am not going to be upset knowing the Senate if Obama doesn’t get someone as left wing as Kagan and Sotomayor.

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Aye Pod  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:02:37pm

This is interesting too, shows what utter bullshit the GOP are spouting on this subject:

Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years

In the wake of the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, questions have arisen about whether there is a standard practice of not nominating and confirming Supreme Court Justices during a presidential election year. The historical record does not reveal any instances since at least 1900 of the president failing to nominate and/or the Senate failing to confirm a nominee in a presidential election year because of the impending election. In that period, there were several nominations and confirmations of Justices during presidential election years.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:03:03pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

And the man who appointed him opened his campaign where they were murdered talking about States Rights.

That is my go-to fact when RWNJs deny the existence of the Southern strategy.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:03:10pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I hope Obama brings forth a centrist and the GOP caves-nothing would make me happier than to see the Koch whores CATO scholars go apopletic.

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Jack Burton  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:05:01pm

re: #281 Aye Pod

This is interesting too, shows what utter bullshit the GOP are spouting on this subject:

Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years

GOP: Never let facts get in the way. No one remembers shit from longer than 3 months ago anyway.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:05:36pm

OK, who are the candidates?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:05:55pm

re: #281 Aye Pod

Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years

Good article. It’s a lot of bs to claim that this is a tradition. No, it just so happens that there have been few vacancies in election years in recent memory. Rubio even sadi it doesn’t matter what Reagan did.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:06:09pm

re: #283 Eric The Fruit Bat

I hope Obama brings forth a centrist and the GOP caves-nothing would make me happier than to see the Koch whores CATO scholars go apopletic.

The Right would explode in rage at the GOP establishment betraying them again. Nothing less than Scalia reincarnate will satisfy them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:06:45pm

re: #285 Nyet

OK, who are the candidates?

usatoday.com
It’s all speculation though of course.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:07:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:07:34pm

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

The Right would explode in rage at the GOP establishment betraying them again. Nothing less than Scalia reincarnate will satisfy them.

Right given that they see Kennedy who is hardly liberal at all as a “judicial activist.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:09:00pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

That is my go-to fact when RWNJs deny the existence of the Southern strategy.

Yep. Truly a part of the Reagan legacy that they don’t mention when trying to put him on Mount Rushmore. The worst thing is I think Reagan was cynically using the bigotry to his advantage rather than being an out and out in your face racist.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:09:12pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Right given that they see Kennedy who is hardly liberal at all as a “judicial activist.”

They see Roberts as a judicial activist too.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:09:49pm

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

The Right would explode in rage at the GOP establishment betraying them again. Nothing less than Scalia reincarnate will satisfy them.

This is a GOP party unity uber alles moment.

I will be very pleasantly surprised if Obama nominates a moderate and the Senate proceeds in a civilized manner. That is totally unrealistic because the GOP base would go nuts at this ‘betrayal’.

According to GOP propaganda, Obama is simultaneously the anti-Christ and the devil himself, and the base really believes this shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:09:58pm

re: #292 ObserverArt

They see Roberts as a judicial activist too.

Certainly. The only three that they accept are Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:10:16pm

re: #289 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Is there any doubt? Of course not, the media will take the GOP’s side and argue that the President should hold off on a nomination so that “the people” can have a say in who replaces Scalia. And they’ll publish push polls that say the public wants the President to wait.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:10:35pm

re: #292 ObserverArt

They see Roberts as a judicial activist too.

Many think Obama is blackmailing him (with his secret gayness or something).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:11:07pm

re: #296 Nyet

Many think Obama is blackmailing him (with his secret gayness or something).

I have heard that conspiracy theory before too.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:11:48pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

You been slummin’ in Freeperstan too!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:12:00pm

re: #296 Nyet

Many think Obama is blackmailing him (with his secret gayness or something).

Because its unpossible he found Obamacare constitutional on the merits, of course.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:12:38pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Yep. Truly a part of the Reagan legacy that they don’t mention when trying to put him on Mount Rushmore. The worst thing is I think Reagan was cynically using the bigotry to his advantage rather than being an out and out in your face racist.

Until Trump, keeping the racism on the down low was always an important part of the GOP strategy after the civil rights realignment.

However, I’ve lost all patience with crypto-racists etc., and regard those who cynically exploit and use racial resentment and other forms of bigotry as being worse than the bigots because the users are self-aware enough to know better.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:12:57pm

re: #298 Nyet

You been slummin’ in Freeperstan too!

Haha nah I’ve seen people post comments here from it. I can’t go to FR. I hate the way that website’s designed. So of the ten men and women in the USA Today article, any that particularly intrigue you?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:13:50pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

Until Trump, keeping the racism on the down low was always an important part of the GOP strategy after the civil rights realignment.

However, I’ve lost all patience with crypto-racists etc., and regard those who cynically exploit and use racial resentment and other forms of bigotry as being worse than the bigots because the users are self-aware enough to know better.

Oh no doubt, I think the latter are worse because with the in your face bigot like Trump, you know what you’re getting but the more subtle crap which is what the GOP establishment does is more backhanded.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:14:31pm

Charlie Pierce made another weekend exception to skewer the GOP debate last night: esquire.com

“Well, there it was, on a stage in South Carolina, the prion disease that has been afflicting the Republican party since Ronald Reagan first fed it the monkeybrains almost 40 years ago broke out into the general population. During the ninth debate of the Republican candidates for president, we saw actual facts booed (by my count) three times before the first commercial break. We saw two sons of Cuban emigres duke it out over who can make the lives of Hispanic immigrants more miserable. We saw a vulgar talking yam dare to tell the truth about C-Plus Augustus while standing next to his brother, and we later saw the vulgar talking yam call Ted Cruz the biggest liar he’s ever seen. And still, after it was over, serious people got on the electric teevee machine to talk about who had the best night, and who won and who lost, and not one of them mentioned the obvious fact that one of our two major political parties suffered a complete mental meltdown on national television. The big winner was either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Rodham Clinton. The big loser was participatory democracy all the way back through history to Pericles. No wonder Ben Carson kept nodding off into the Western Isles. He was safer there.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:14:33pm

re: #299 Big Beautiful Door

Because its unpossible he found Obamacare constitutional on the merits, of course.

They considered Earl Warren a traitor too.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:15:08pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Dunno most of them ;)

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:15:09pm

re: #299 Big Beautiful Door

Because its unpossible he found Obamacare constitutional on the merits, of course.

I’m cynical enough to think Robert’s views of the constitutionality of the ACA were completely irrelevant.

I think Roberts did what he did with the ACA to do as much damage as possible while still keeping it somewhat plausible that the conservative SCOTUS majority is not a bunch of partisan hacks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:16:22pm

re: #305 Nyet

Dunno most of them ;)

Ha yeah, I think he’s going to have a pretty good choice. Lots of sharp legal minds in either elected office or sitting on the circuit courts. Something tells me Obama will go with someone from the latter given Sotomayor and Kagan.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:16:51pm

It’s just like how, when the President does nominate someone, the media will proceed to savage them so that the GOP’s hands don’t get dirty. The usual pack of morons like Todd and Matthews will hit his nominee as either too liberal/not liberal enough, bring up every questionable ruling/decision, and suggest that the President would be better off just letting the next guy offer up his own nominee.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:18:30pm

re: #308 Targetpractice

I can hear the media jackals screeching now: TOO SOON!!!!!!!!

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JasonA  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:19:54pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:20:04pm

re: #308 Targetpractice

It’s just like how, when the President does nominate someone, the media will proceed to savage them so that the GOP’s hands don’t get dirty. The usual pack of morons like Todd and Matthews will hit his nominee as either too liberal/not liberal enough, bring up every questionable ruling/decision, and suggest that the President would be better off just letting the next guy offer up his own nominee.

Well, we wouldn’t want anyone in the US media to have a heart attack caused by the unaccustomed novelty of doing their damn jobs for once.

Where is the reporting on the ongoing degeneration of the Republican party? Where is the reporting on the ever-increasing income and wealth inequality we’re seeing?

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:20:55pm

re: #310 JasonA

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And McCain’s meat puppet speaks up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:21:37pm

re: #310 JasonA

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The American people did oped in, Kelly and they re-elected Barack Obama for the years 2013-2017. Maybe you missed that. Again this is such horse shit and if they do block the nominee. I hope to God the Democrats win back the Senate and retain the presidency and push someone really left wing on them. I forget the guy’s name but there’s this one Asian-American jurist who is really controversial to them.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:21:39pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:22:07pm

re: #310 JasonA

“consequential presidential election”. Indeed. The US general election for POTUS will be a race between a barbarian (R) and a non-barbarian (D).

In fact just about every contested D vs. R race in the entire nation will fit this model.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:22:45pm

Honestly I cannot wait to see what Obama has to say about these guys in his memoirs.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:24:19pm

re: #303 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce made another weekend exception to skewer the GOP debate last night: esquire.com

“Well, there it was, on a stage in South Carolina, the prion disease that has been afflicting the Republican party since Ronald Reagan first fed it the monkeybrains almost 40 years ago broke out into the general population. During the ninth debate of the Republican candidates for president, we saw actual facts booed (by my count) three times before the first commercial break. We saw two sons of Cuban emigres duke it out over who can make the lives of Hispanic immigrants more miserable. We saw a vulgar talking yam dare to tell the truth about C-Plus Augustus while standing next to his brother, and we later saw the vulgar talking yam call Ted Cruz the biggest liar he’s ever seen. And still, after it was over, serious people got on the electric teevee machine to talk about who had the best night, and who won and who lost, and not one of them mentioned the obvious fact that one of our two major political parties suffered a complete mental meltdown on national television. The big winner was either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Rodham Clinton. The big loser was participatory democracy all the way back through history to Pericles. No wonder Ben Carson kept nodding off into the Western Isles. He was safer there.”

A “vulgar talking yam” for the win!

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:24:39pm

re: #314 Eric The Fruit Bat

All possibilities on that poll are wrong because the units used are ‘hours’. ‘minutes’ or even ‘seconds’ would be more reasonable. After all, more than half of these media hacks already have the pertinent GOP talking points on file, and are just waiting for current events to tell them when to dispense these nuggets of bull crap into their reporting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:25:06pm

You know what they hate most about Obama aside from being a black Democrat? It’s that the American people liked him and liked him a whole lot more than McCain and Romney. Obama is the first president since Reagan to get over 50% of the popular vote in two elections.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:25:36pm

In the GOP’s mind, every election is a “consequential election.” If Scalia had died in 2010, the GOP would have screamed that the President should have held off making nominations until 2011 so the next Congress could have a vote. Hell, if Hillary or Bernie wins in November and the Senate goes Dem again, the GOP will scream that the “old Congress” should be allowed a vote.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:25:37pm

re: #273 lawhawk

The persistence of conservative butthurt over the failure of Robert Bork’s nomination is really amazing. Almost three decades on, whenever anything relating to the Supreme Court becomes a public issue, they always drag out the same-old same-old whines about how Poor Old Bob was so viciously slandered and denied his proper due (a SCOTUS seat) due to Vile Liberal Intolerance (usually personified in their pet boogeyman Ted Kennedy). And never -never - seem to recall the real reason Bork got shitcanned: that despite being the Movement Conservative Legal Luminary par excellance, he had spent many years writing and speechifying about exactly how he would vote on the SC: and that it would invariably hew unwaveringly to the most extreme right-wing dogma. Having it thrown back at them, so publicly, that said views were widely unpopular with the public - who made their displeasure clear to their elected representatives in the Senate - seems to have been a mortal insult they have never been able to forget.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:27:24pm

re: #321 Jay C

And the man leading the No Bork vote was actually a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:27:51pm

re: #321 Jay C

The persistence of conservative butthurt over the failure of Robert Bork’s nomination is really amazing. Almost three decades on, whenever anything relating to the Supreme Court becomes a public issue, they always drag out the same-old same-old whines about how Poor Old Bob was so viciously slandered and denied his proper due (a SCOTUS seat) due to Vile Liberal Intolerance (usually personified in their pet boogeyman Ted Kenendy). And never -never - seem to recall that real reason Bork got shitcanned: that despite being the Movement Conservative Legal Luminary par excellance, he had spent many years writing and speechifying about exactly how he would vote on the SC: and that it would invariably hew unwaveringly to the most extreme right-wing dogma. Having it thrown back at them, so publicly, that said views were widely unpopular with the public - who made their displeasure clear to their elected representatives in the Senate - seems to have been a mortal insult they have never been able to forget.

Very well said.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:29:23pm

re: #321 Jay C

Ted Kennedy did the unforgivable (to RWNJs) during the Bork nomination dispute. He told the truth:

Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:29:38pm

re: #322 Eric The Fruit Bat

And the man leading the No Bork vote was actually a Republican.

Yeah he had a lot of Republican opposition as well. What’s more is the Dems did give Bork a hearing. Mitch said they’d block anyone Obama chose.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:30:18pm

re: #324 EPR-radar

Ted Kennedy did the unforgivable (to RWNJs) during the Bork nomination dispute. He told the truth:

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:30:51pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

In the GOP’s mind, every election is a “consequential election.” If Scalia had died in 2010, the GOP would have screamed that the President should have held off making nominations until 2011 so the next Congress could have a vote. Hell, if Hillary or Bernie wins in November and the Senate goes Dem again, the GOP will scream that the “old Congress” should be allowed a vote.

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:31:51pm

Bork, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas on the same court. Yikes.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:32:27pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Bork, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas on the same court. Yikes.

And Harriet Miers. Don’t forget her.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:32:57pm

re: #324 EPR-radar

And, truth or no, his “reward” was to be held up henceforward as a hideous exemplar of “The Politics Of Personal Destruction”.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:34:04pm

Sensing an opportunity for a grift, Rage Furby homes in on the conspiracy…

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:36:08pm

re: #330 Jay C

And, truth or no, his “reward” was to be held up henceforward as a hideous exemplar of “The Politics Of Personal Destruction”.

In refreshing my memory of this in Wikipedia, I ran across the interesting fact that Ted Kennedy’s televised floor speech regarding Bork was made within 45 minutes of the nomination.

That’s how it’s done.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:37:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:38:56pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

In refreshing my memory of this in Wikipedia, I ran across the interesting fact that Ted Kennedy’s televised floor speech regarding Bork was made within 45 minutes of the nomination.

That’s how it’s done.

He had to know Reagan would be pigheaded enough to pick Bork.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:39:41pm

re: #329 Skip Intro

And Harriet Miers. Don’t forget her.

Oh yeah.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:40:09pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

Sensing an opportunity for a grift, Rage Furby homes in on the conspiracy…

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All I want to know is was he with a male or female hooker. I’m just asking questions here.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:40:18pm

re: #303 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce made another weekend exception to skewer the GOP debate last night: esquire.com

“Well, there it was, on a stage in South Carolina, the prion disease that has been afflicting the Republican party since Ronald Reagan first fed it the monkeybrains almost 40 years ago broke out into the general population. During the ninth debate of the Republican candidates for president, we saw actual facts booed (by my count) three times before the first commercial break. We saw two sons of Cuban emigres duke it out over who can make the lives of Hispanic immigrants more miserable. We saw a vulgar talking yam dare to tell the truth about C-Plus Augustus while standing next to his brother, and we later saw the vulgar talking yam call Ted Cruz the biggest liar he’s ever seen. And still, after it was over, serious people got on the electric teevee machine to talk about who had the best night, and who won and who lost, and not one of them mentioned the obvious fact that one of our two major political parties suffered a complete mental meltdown on national television. The big winner was either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Rodham Clinton. The big loser was participatory democracy all the way back through history to Pericles. No wonder Ben Carson kept nodding off into the Western Isles. He was safer there.”

A vulgar talking yam.

Win.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:40:39pm

re: #51 jaunte

I don’t see how teaching creation science could have a secular purpose.

And that’s what the majority of the court thought in Edwards. It had no secular purpose. That’s why the creationists came back with “Intelligent Design” in the 1990s, as another camel’s nose under the tent. Thankfully, W. Bush appointee John E. Jones III saw right through that in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District (Middle District PA 2005).

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:40:57pm

re: #330 Jay C

And, truth or no, his “reward” was to be held up henceforward as a hideous exemplar of “The Politics Of Personal Destruction”.

Ayep, wingnuts have been nursing this particular grudge for decades because they feel Bork was “wrongly” treated by Democrats. They added to that grudge when Thomas’ nomination was met with resistance and got all sorts of irate when Miers was ripped to shreds before she even made it to the Senate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:41:13pm

Bork: the sound of a fart in a bathtub

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:42:53pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah.

Harriet Meirs SC campaign ad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:43:57pm

LOLWHUT==>

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b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:45:06pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

Sensing an opportunity for a grift, Rage Furby homes in on the conspiracy…

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So Obama sent his murderous, ninja goonsquad to the middle of nowhere to assassinate Scalia and make it look like a heart attack but they left a pillow on the guy’s face?

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:45:09pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

Ben needs to go take his nap.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:45:21pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT==>

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Uh no Ben. That’s not how it works.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:45:45pm

re: #344 Skip Intro

Ben needs to go take his nap.

And be grounded from the computer.

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b.d.  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:46:41pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT==>

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Ben should run for president if he wants to pick a Supreme Court Justice

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:46:46pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

He’ll never get the reference….

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:47:15pm

re: #338 mmmirele

BTW, only after you changed your nick to mmmirele did I recognize you from the days at #scientologylies and from reading various anti-CoS sites ;)

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:48:18pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

In refreshing my memory of this in Wikipedia, I ran across the interesting fact that Ted Kennedy’s televised floor speech regarding Bork was made within 45 minutes of the nomination.

That’s how it’s done.

And Kennedy was proven to be right, based on Bork’s own statements made during confirmation:

At Robert Bork’s confirmation hearing to be Solicitor General, he defended the poll tax struck down in Harper v. Virginia, saying, ”It was a very small tax, it was not discriminatory, and I doubt that it had much impact on the welfare of the nation one way or the other.” In his 1987 confirmation hearing, he held firm to this view, stating, ”It was just a $1.50 poll tax” (committee print draft, page 129).

Judge Bork’s statements on literacy tests are also a defense of their use -he characterized the decisions upholding Congressional authority to ban literacy tests as ”very bad, indeed pernicious, constitutional law.”

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:49:18pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT==>

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:49:56pm

re: #350 Bill and Opus for 2016!

And Kennedy was proven to be right, based on Bork’s own statements made during confirmation:

Brilliant senator, one of the best. Wish he could have been around for more of the Obama presidency.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:51:02pm

re: #333 Eric The Fruit Bat

I think I found the place where D_F may be spending his time…..

Looks kind of sane.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:51:34pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:52:35pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

9 Scalias on the supreme court. That sounds like part of the opening narration of a post-apocalypse movie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:53:05pm

re: #354 goddamnedfrank

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Originalism has always been a sham.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:53:17pm

re: #355 EPR-radar

9 Scalias on the supreme court. That sounds like part of the opening narration of a post-apocalypse movie.

Think there was such a film already, it’s called The Purge.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:54:13pm

re: #353 Stanley Sea

Looks kind of sane.

Except for that whole ‘goplifer’ thing, but certainly sane in a relative sense. He seems to expect a GOP convention bloodbath (a.k.a Red Wedding), which is interesting.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:54:26pm
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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:55:17pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

He had to know Reagan would be pigheaded enough to pick Bork.

IIRC (always a doubtful proposition, but never mind for now), Reagan was pushed to nominate Bork by Movement types in his Administration, who were looking to (finally) get One Of Their Own on the SC: Bork was, at the time, the perfect candidate. Once he ran into trouble with the Senate, though: Ronnie (or his handlers) gradually backed away; while the GOP did get Bork’s nom pushed through to the full Senate (after the Judiciary Committee turned thumbs-down: should have been a warning sign) - the public backlash turned the Administration’s attitude from “splendid choice” to “Robert Who??” in pretty short order.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:56:09pm

re: #360 Jay C

IIRC (always a doubtful proposition, but never mind for now), Reagan was pushed to nominate Bork by Movement types in his Administration, who were looking to (finally) get One Of Their Own on the SC: Bork was, at the time, the perfect candidate. Once he ran into trouble with the Senate, though: Ronnie (or his handlers) gradually backed away; while the GOP did get Bork’s nom pushed through to the full Senate (after the Judiciary Committee turned thumbs-down: should have been a warning sign) - the public backlash turned the Administration’s attitude from “splendid choice” to “Robert Who??” in pretty short order.

Ah ok.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:56:31pm

“I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation,” said Scalia, [proving to any listener that he was far smarter than Ben Shapiro] “But I hope he sends us someone smart.”

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2016 • 4:59:04pm

re: #310 JasonA

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Is there such a thing as a non-consequential election year? Ayotte reached her level of incompetence when she was “who’s the girl” in the Three Amigos group once Joe Lieberman had sailed off into the sunset.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:00:07pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

Cruz and Rubio both got their asses spanked on live TV about this last night, Reagan put Kennedy on the bench in his last year in office and to argue that a president should hold off on all nominations in his last year when the people who will be appointed won’t be there to rule on anything during his presidency is asinine. The announcement of a block on even allowing hearings before Scalia was even in the ground shows that this is purely a political play on the GOP’s part to keep the composition of the court in their favor.

Did anyone actually come out and say they would not even hold hearings? Just trying to find that quote and haven’t been able to.

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:00:19pm
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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:00:39pm

re: #364 danarchy

McConnell.

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WhatEVs  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:00:46pm

re: #306 EPR-radar

I’m cynical enough to think Robert’s views of the constitutionality of the ACA were completely irrelevant.

I think Roberts did what he did with the ACA to do as much damage as possible while still keeping it somewhat plausible that the conservative SCOTUS majority is not a bunch of partisan hacks.

And I think he did it because he’s pro-business and this is a pro-business law.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:01:37pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:02:50pm

Is it just me?

I’ve lost the “return after posting” check box……

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:03:28pm

re: #360 Jay C

IIRC, Reagan heaped a lot of scorn on the Senate when he announced Bork and basically demanded the Senate confirm him. Not only did that not sit well the Justice Committee, Sen. John Warner (R-VA) lashed out at Reagan and ridiculed him for ‘Conduct unbecoming the President.’

And the rest is history.

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:03:43pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

Is it just me?

I’ve lost the “return after posting” check box……

Mine’s still there.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:04:16pm

re: #365 Tigger2

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SO JP Stevens only had less than three weeks from original nom to SC seat??

They really didn’t dawdle around in those days…..

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #370 Eric The Fruit Bat

IIRC, Reagan heaped a lot of scorn on the Senate when he announced Bork and basically demanded the Senate confirm him. Not only did that not sit well the Justice Committee, Sen. Jim Warner (R-VA) lashed out at Reagan and ridiculed him for ‘Conduct unbecoming the President.’

And the rest is history.

Wow I didn’t know Warner said that. No wonder why all the wingnuts I knew hated him.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:05:19pm

re: #370 Eric The Fruit Bat

I recall Bork himself having a very entitled attitude that did not help.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:05:48pm

re: #371 Tigger2

Mine’s still there.

Closed out of LGF, came back in. It’s now there! weird.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:06:01pm

re: #366 retired cynic

McConnell.

All I can find from him was this statement:

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president,”

Read more: politico.com

Was there something else he said because should not be filled doesn’t equal will not hold hearings.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:06:21pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Wow I didn’t know Warner said that. No wonder why all the wingnuts I knew hated him.

A lot of the reason Warner kept winning reelection is because he was a big backer for defense spending and could be relied upon (especially in Hampton Roads) to secure funds for the Navy’s latest spending spree.

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:06:29pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

Is it just me?

I’ve lost the “return after posting” check box……

Have you been naughty?

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:06:53pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Brilliant senator, one of the best. Wish he could have been around for more of the Obama presidency.

The thing is, Reagan knew of Bork’s bigoted views, and was more than willing to put him on the highest court as keeping a promise made to Bork as a reward for his role in the Saturday Night Massacre by Nixon. Keep in mind that it was not by any accident that Reagan surrounded himself with a who’s who from the Nixon administration - Pat Buchanan, Alexander Haig, Caspar Weinberger, George Shultz, and James Edwards just to name a few.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:06:54pm

re: #370 Eric The Fruit Bat

IIRC, Reagan heaped a lot of scorn on the Senate when he announced Bork and basically demanded the Senate confirm him. Not only did that not sit well the Justice Committee, Sen. Jim Warner (R-VA) lashed out at Reagan and ridiculed him for ‘Conduct unbecoming the President.’

And the rest is history.

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Wow I didn’t know Warner said that. No wonder why all the wingnuts I knew hated him.

Wasn’t that ‘John’ Warner???

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:07:04pm

re: #377 Targetpractice

A lot of the reason Warner kept winning reelection is because he was a big backer for defense spending and could be relied upon (especially in Hampton Roads) to secure funds for the Navy’s latest spending spree.

Right. Chairman of Armed Forces I believe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:07:04pm

The original Snidely Whiplash would be ashamed that Ben could be compared to him. Snidely is a proud Canadian!

Ben is actually named for a South Park character from last year’s season, a Snidely lookalike who is a Gamergater Internet troll calling itself “Reality.” Ben LOVED this character and claimed to be its incarnation in “real life”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:07:34pm

re: #379 Bill and Opus for 2016!

The thing is, Reagan knew of Bork’s bigoted views, and was more than willing to put him on the highest court as keeping a promise made to Bork as a reward for his role in the Saturday Night Massacre by Nixon. Keep in mind that it was not by any accident that Reagan surrounded himself with a who’s who from the Nixon administration - Pat Buchanan, Alexander Haig, Caspar Weinberger, George Shultz, and James Edwards just to name a few.

Absolutely.

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:08:08pm

I’m being forced to watch The Bachelor. V is in the kitchen, and the TV control is by her chair. I tried to call her to come change the station, but she ignored me.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:08:23pm

re: #380 ObserverArt

Corrected.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:08:24pm

re: #378 b_sharp

Have you been naughty?

I wish.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:09:21pm

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

The original Snidely Whiplash would be ashamed that Ben could be compared to him. Snidely is a proud Canadian!

Ben is actually named for a South Park character from last year’s season, a Snidely lookalike who is a Gamergater Internet troll calling itself “Reality.” Ben LOVED this character and claimed to be its incarnation in “real life”

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Ben is a self entitled prick who still isn’t over the fact he’s a right wing hack with no original thoughts of his own.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:10:22pm

re: #379 Bill and Opus for 2016!

The thing is, Reagan knew of Bork’s bigoted views, and was more than willing to put him on the highest court as keeping a promise made to Bork as a reward for his role in the Saturday Night Massacre by Nixon. Keep in mind that it was not by any accident that Reagan surrounded himself with a who’s who from the Nixon administration - Pat Buchanan, Alexander Haig, Caspar Weinberger, George Shultz, and James Edwards just to name a few.

Yep. More Conservative Butthurt in action: still pissed (a decade on) about the “raw deal” they imagine Richard Nixon got…

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Reckless Disregard  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:10:52pm

Well, the NBA All Star Game intro is something special.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:11:52pm

re: #387 HappyWarrior

Ben is a self entitled prick who still isn’t over the fact he’s a right wing hack with no original thoughts of his own.

…and a go-nowhere job.

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scottslemmons  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:12:34pm

“My fellow Americans, I nominate Alex Jones. He and I see eye-to-eye on everything, though he always says he has to hide his true beliefs.”

“Wh-What? I never! No!”

“Oh, of course you’d say that, Alex, you kidder!”

“No, it’s not true!”

“Or as we used to call you back in school, Abdul Alhazred.”

“ALEX JONES, YOU BASTARD! WE’LL KILL YOU FOR THIS BETRAYAL!”

(two days of insane shrieking later)

“Due to the terrible threats against my close personal friend Alex Jones, I’ve decided to withdraw his nomination. My new nominee is… my secret son, Ben Shapiro!”

“What? No! It’s not true!”

(repeat until GOP is dead)

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:12:38pm

re: #376 danarchy

All I can find from him was this statement:

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president,”

Read more: politico.com

Was there something else he said because should not be filled doesn’t equal will not hold hearings.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Saturday signaled there would be no vote on any appointment picked by President Obama to replace deceased Justice Antonin Scalia — setting the stage for a dramatic political showdown in Washington that will likely result in gridlock for the remainder of the year. … McConnell’s statement indicates he is not planning on bringing to the floor for a vote any nominee Obama selects to succeed Obama, according to a Senate GOP aide. washingtonexaminer.com

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:13:33pm

re: #384 b_sharp

I’m being forced to watch The Bachelor. V is in the kitchen, and the TV control is by her chair. I tried to call her to come change the station, but she ignored me.

Is there an emergency manual overide? It may require a planned mission from the chair, but you’ve got the ability to bring it in.

RBS

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:17:20pm

re: #387 HappyWarrior

Ben is a self entitled prick who still isn’t over the fact he’s a right wing hack with no original thoughts of his own.

The South Park character was lynched.

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:17:33pm

Meanwhile the extreme right-wing Polish govt continues descent:

Polish move to strip Holocaust expert of award sparks protests

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b_sharp  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:17:51pm

re: #393 Reality Based Steve

Is there an emergency manual overide? It may require a planned mission from the chair, but you’ve got the ability to bring it in.

RBS

I worked up a plan to get up off the chair, walk over to the control and change the station. I executed it successfully, but it was touch & go for a minute.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:17:54pm

re: #394 The Vicious Babushka

The South Park character was lynched.

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Need to catch the past season.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:19:40pm

re: #385 Eric The Fruit Bat

Corrected.

No problem…just was wondering because Happy and I were commenting the other day Warner may well have been the last of the moderate realistic Republicans.

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:22:11pm

re: #396 b_sharp

I worked up a plan to get up off the chair, walk over to the control and change the station. I executed it successfully, but it was touch & go for a minute.

Sit back down and have a couple beers you deserve it after all that trauma you when through.

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Tigger2  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:25:15pm

: ))

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:25:46pm

File under science non-fiction: US Railgun tech appears to be improving so rapidly that the Navy’s head of surface warfare is considering skipping prototype sea trials and putting an operational unit directly on the next Zumwalt class destroyer.

What I’m finding is if I go ahead with the demo it will slow my development,” Rear Adm. Pete Fanta, director of surface warfare, said during a Dec. 30 interview at the Pentagon. “I would rather get an operational unit out there faster than do a demonstration that just does a demonstration.

“It’s not definitely off but it’s not definitely going ahead,” Fanta said, “primarily because it will slow the engineering work that I have to do to get that power transference that I need to get multiple repeatable shots that I can now install in a ship. And I would frankly rather have an operational unit faster than have to take the nine months to a year it will take to set up the demo and install the systems, take the one operational [rail gun] unit I have, put it on a ship, take it to sea, do a dozen shots, turn around, take it off, reinstall it into a test bed.”

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:25:54pm

re: #400 Tigger2

An obvious fib.

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:28:00pm

re: #402 Nyet

An obvious fib.

And what are the demographics, man?

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:28:11pm

re: #401 goddamnedfrank

File under science non-fiction: US Railgun tech appears to be improving so rapidly that the Navy’s head of surface warfare is considering skipping prototype sea trials and putting an operational unit directly on the next Zumwalt class destroyer.

Yeah, no offense, but this isn’t war time, we can afford to take the time to test a groundbreaking weapons system on a test bed instead of skipping that stage and risking a major surface combatant.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:30:25pm

re: #403 Brian J.

And what are the demographics, man?

Unskew the polls!!!!

RBS

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Nyet  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:34:23pm

Mmmm, fibonachos.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:34:48pm

re: #404 Targetpractice

Yeah, no offense, but this isn’t war time, we can afford to take the time to test a groundbreaking weapons system on a test bed instead of skipping that stage and risking a major surface combatant.

There’s another point a few paragraphs down:

“There are two technologies coming out of the rail gun program that both show very high promise,” he said. “One is the rail gun itself, and two is the projectile we need to shoot out of that rail gun, a hypervelocity projectile. Something that goes at high speeds that comes out of that barrel and is able to hit a spot multiple dozens of miles away.”

The goal, he said, is to make the projectile “usable for more than just rail gun. Can I take my powder guns and use that same sort of projectile?” The technology in the projectile, he added, “actually is what enables it to fly that distance with that accuracy.”

IOW the railgun project may result in the ability to significantly boost the range of all the Navy’s five inch guns. Presumably they’d have to replace the barrel with a smoothbore and fire such projectiles with a discarding sabot.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:36:03pm

re: #401 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, so they’re anxious to skip trials, and immediately mount their new woo-woo gun on the USS Boondoggle latest Navy ship —
so what’s going to be the inevitable outcome?

1) Failure of the system, which will necessitate more billions of dollars in expenditures to get it right: OR:

2) Success of the system, which will necessitate more billions of dollars to get it in place.

Win-win!!

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:41:26pm

re: #396 b_sharp

I worked up a plan to get up off the chair, walk over to the control and change the station. I executed it successfully, but it was touch & go for a minute.

Mission: Remote | The Amazing World of Gumball | Cartoon Network

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:42:36pm

re: #408 Jay C

Yeah, so they’re anxious to skip trials, and immediately mount their new woo-woo gun on the USS Boondoggle latest Navy ship —
so what’s going to be the inevitable outcome?

1) Failure of the system, which will necessitate more billions of dollars in expenditures to get it right: OR:

2) Success of the system, which will necessitate more billions of dollars to get it in place.

Win-win!!

Success could actually save an amazing amount of money vs traditional explosive based guided weapon systems. The railgun which last I checked was projected to cost $25K per projectile competes directly with incredibly expensive guided missiles like the Harpoon, which costs $1.2 million per shot.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2016 • 5:56:39pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Hell to be honest with you guys, I’d be satisfied with a Kennedy like minded judge. Kennedy for all my faults with him on some issues does acknowledge the constitutionality of a woman’s right to choose and the rights of gay couples. I would prefer someone to the left of that but I am not going to be upset knowing the Senate if Obama doesn’t get someone as left wing as Kagan and Sotomayor.

Kennedy has sided with Conservative Justices too many times for my liking. President Obama needs to nominate someone way to Kennedy’s left. Otherwise he would have wasted an opportunity to actually shift SCOTUS’ direction.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2016 • 6:03:47pm

re: #411 Patricia Kayden

Kennedy has sided with Conservative Justices too many times for my liking. President Obama needs to nominate someone way to Kennedy’s left. Otherwise he would have wasted an opportunity to actually shift SCOTUS’ direction.

This is the kind of fight Obama has actually trained to fight. He’ll need the rest of the Democrats behind him, including those on the street, but he can pull this one off.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2016 • 6:06:09pm

re: #364 danarchy

Did anyone actually come out and say they would not even hold hearings? Just trying to find that quote and haven’t been able to.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 14, 2016 • 6:12:04pm

re: #410 goddamnedfrank

Don’t forget that the Harpoon has a longer range - especially the latest block.

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danhenry1  Feb 14, 2016 • 9:58:49pm

re: #85 Reality Based Steve
Its the kid with the green shirt and black tie


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