Jeb Bush Campaign Freaks Out About Mockery of His Gun Tweet

CNN has hurt Jeb’s tender feels
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Anyone who knows how Twitter works could have predicted that Jeb Bush’s tweet of a picture of a gun with the single word “America” would result in lots of mockery and laughter. A good time was had by all.

But tonight the Jeb campaign is having conniptions over CNN’s report on said mockery, and demanding apologies: Bush campaign: CBS News report is ‘inexcusable’.

“The network should apologize,” Kristy Campbell, Bush’s press secretary, told CNNMoney after the segment aired on Tuesday night’s broadcast of the CBS Evening News.

In the report, CBS News correspondent Major Garrett said that social media was “abuzz” over a photo Bush had tweeted on Tuesday showing a firearm emblazoned with a personalized insignia that read, “Gov. Jeb. Bush.”

“There were some people who were supportive, but many said, ‘Your campaign is dying. Please, Governor Bush, don’t take your own life.’ Only in jest, but it shows you how painful things have become for Bush in South Carolina,” Garrett reported.

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In an email, Campbell described the report as tone-deaf and “inexcusable.”

“In addition to the mainstream-media’s total lack of understanding when it comes to gun rights and gun culture, it is absolutely inexcusable to make light of suicide,” Campbell wrote.

This is how you make an already embarrassing situation even more embarrassing. Way to go, Jeb.

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354 comments

1
LadyBehir  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:07:26pm

No. Just no. No more Bushes. Especially this one. I might consider Barbara, she seems sensible.

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No Depression  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:08:44pm

Jeb!

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:09:59pm

I won’t consider Barbara. Shudder.

I wonder if they wanted to do something about guns, but Jeb was too fumble fingers to say it, so they tried to do it without words. And still got mockery.

4
CriticalDragon1177  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:12:26pm

Jeb, do us all a favor and grow up.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:14:48pm

Whoever though of this brilliant (NOT!) idea to tweet that picture is the one who needs to explain to the Jebster why he thought that was a rip-roaring good idea. And if it actually came from Jeb himself, well……

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:16:28pm
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BeachDem  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:19:07pm

Without comment as I’m not sure how to read it. (relating to a discussion earlier this evening.)

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:28:18pm

You’d think after more than a decade of social media (myspace became a thing in, what, 2004?), politicians would have figured out that no good can actually come from being on social media.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:30:09pm

He should thank his lucky stars he didn’t ask for snacks.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:34:13pm

And I love how they think CNN is a legitimate news organization with actual standards.

Where the fuck have these people been for the last ten years? Living under a rock??

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:36:22pm

You got to give Jeb some credit, he’s now at least found one way to get people talking about him again.

I swear, if his last name wasn’t Bush he would have suspended his campaign weeks ago.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:46:03pm

re: #8 KGxvi

You’d think after more than a decade of social media (myspace became a thing in, what, 2004?), politicians would have figured out that no good can actually come from being on social media.

He hasn’t sought office since 2002 and man it shows.

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Ubiq  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:49:28pm

re: #3 retired cynic

I won’t consider Barbara. Shudder.

I wonder if they wanted to do something about guns, but Jeb was too fumble fingers to say it, so they tried to do it without words. And still got mockery.

“What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas,” Barbara Bush said in an interview on Monday with the radio program “Marketplace.” “Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.” Good ol Barbara Bush after Katrina

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2016 • 9:52:34pm

Good night all. Hasta mañana.

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2016 • 10:01:43pm
In the report, CBS News correspondent Major Garrett said that social media was “abuzz” over a photo Bush had tweeted on Tuesday showing a firearm emblazoned with a personalized insignia that read, “Gov. Jeb. Bush.”

“There were some people who were supportive, but many said, ‘Your campaign is dying. Please, Governor Bush, don’t take your own life.’ Only in jest, but it shows you how painful things have become for Bush in South Carolina,” Garrett reported.

Major Garrett, former Fox News ace reporter. He’s totally trying to sink Jeb!’s campaign, he’s in the tank for … !

Actually, as far as I’m concerned, Major Garrett has been rather non-controversial and forgettable since he moved on from Fox News. He’s not crazy.

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Alyosha  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:06:11pm

At this point he should be happy that he can generate this kind of chatter at all.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:08:27pm

re: #3 retired cynic

I won’t consider Barbara. Shudder.

I wonder if they wanted to do something about guns, but Jeb was too fumble fingers to say it, so they tried to do it without words. And still got mockery.

As Richard M. Nixon said of Barbara, “Now there’s a woman who really knows how to HATE.”

Richard was about as pleasant to be around as a wounded cobra, and as malignant as a wasp. For him to say this in fear/respect of another human being is sobering.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:10:41pm

re: #18 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

My mother was as sweet a person as lived, but she called her a b****. That was earth-shaking, considering the source.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:12:17pm

re: #18 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

As Richard M. Nixon said of Barbara, “Now there’s a woman who really knows how to HATE.”

Richard was about as pleasant to be around as a wounded cobra, and as malignant as a wasp. For him to say this in fear/respect of another human being is sobering.

I suppose Barbara is one of those outwardly genteel ladies whose words can cut like knives.

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:12:59pm

re: #20 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I suppose Barbara was one of those outwardly genteel ladies whose words can cut like knives.

She was not always outwardly genteel.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:14:39pm

re: #21 retired cynic

She was not always outwardly genteel.

I remember she made pretty appaling remarks about the Katrina survivors in the Superdome.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:17:18pm

BTW, I have not found anything online regarding Rage Furby’s motion to quash the subpoena in NAF v CMP. Has it shown up in PACER, anyone?

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TedStriker  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:21:48pm

George Gaynes has died at 98; to me, he was always Commandant Eric Lassard from the Police Academy movies.

One of the funniest scenes in film, IMO (and very, very NSFW):

Police Academy - “Good Speech”

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:25:00pm

re: #23 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

BTW, I have not found anything online regarding Rage Furby’s motion to quash the subpoena in NAF v CMP. Has it shown up in PACER, anyone?

He’s gloating on Facebook from down under.

Facebook Post

And he’s also fucking bigot scum who probably has several socks at Stormfront.

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:30:00pm

It’s like he’s talking about a dictatorship.

Oh. Wait..

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teleskiguy  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:33:39pm

UpChuck is racist white trash who loves Australia and their strict gun laws.

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:36:32pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

UpChuck is racist white trash who loves Australia and their strict gun laws.

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I hope everyone who sent him defense money is enjoying his delayed honeymoon.

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Alyosha  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:38:23pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

UpChuck is racist white trash who loves Australia and their strict gun laws.

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Our fondness for booze precludes a second amendment-type provision.
Plus, I think Chuck’s love of Scalia is mostly based on their gastronomic similarities. Probably only found out he was a SC justice whilst perusing one of the sausage forums he hasn’t yet been banned from.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:38:26pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

He’s gloating on Facebook from down under.

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He needs to go walkabout in the outback, and see how much help he gets from the Aborigines with that attitude.

I know Oz doesn’t want him, but I wish he’d stay there.

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Alyosha  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:41:16pm

re: #30 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He needs to go walkabout in the outback, and see how much help he gets from the Aborigines with that attitude.

I know Oz doesn’t want him, but I wish he’d stay there.

If what we get to keep of him are his sun-bleached bones, I think only then is your desire acceptable.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:41:43pm

re: #28 retired cynic

I hope everyone who sent him defense money is enjoying his delayed honeymoon.

Srsly. Both his crowdfunding campaigns are dead in the water, and if he’s really off the hook for that subpoena, the legal defense fund should be cancelled.

Where’s he getting his money?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:44:23pm

re: #31 Alyosha

If what we get to keep of him are his sun-bleached bones, I think only then is your desire acceptable.

Speaking of walkabout, I finally saw that movie decades after it came out. It was good, if a bit depressing at the end.

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majii  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:46:35pm

One would think that with the millions these GOP/TPers spend on their campaign staff, there would be one hire who would do the necessary research and advise them when one of their ideas is sooooo stupid, but no. They surround themselves with “Yes” men/women, and when they get mocked and ridiculed, they demand an apology. My daughter didn’t whine as much as these guys when she was a kid. None of them possess one-one billionth the personal qualities, attention to detail and temperament that the current president is. They’ve attacked him since Day One and he’s never demanded an apology from them or lashed out at them in extreme anger in public. I must say he has a decent, even temperament because if I were in his place, I’d have said some things to them long ago that would have them actually crying real tears every d*mn day.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:50:23pm

re: #31 Alyosha

If what we get to keep of him are his sun-bleached bones, I think only then is your desire acceptable.

He’s not worthy of bringing us beer?

When he got here to Australia I thought about friending him of Facebook just to taunt him, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:52:56pm

re: #34 majii

One would think that with the millions these GOP/TPers spend on their campaign staff, there would be one hire who would do the necessary research and advise them when one of their ideas is sooooo stupid, but no. They surround themselves with “Yes” men/women, and when they get mocked and ridiculed, they demand an apology. My daughter didn’t whine as much as these guys when she was a kid. None of them possess one-one billionth the personal qualities, attention to detail and temperament that the current president is. They’ve attacked him since Day One and he’s never demanded an apology from them or lashed out at them in extreme anger in public. I must say he has a decent, even temperament because if I were in his place, I’d have said some things to them long ago that would have them actually crying real tears every d*mn day.

In the old days of more independent media, no politician would even consider asking for an apology. He’d be mocked for being a thinskinned weakling by the same media. For example, HL Mencken or Mike Royko.

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Alyosha  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:54:47pm

re: #33 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Speaking of walkabout, I finally saw that movie decades after it came out. It was good, if a bit depressing at the end.

I’ve heard of it, but never seen it. Just read Roger Ebert’s review of it and I can see why.
We don’t easily process ambiguity and when it involves the race of people we dispossessed, understanding simply dries up.
I’m going to keep an eye out for it.
Hey, at least it isn’t Crocodile Dundee <blech>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:55:12pm

re: #35 Usually refered to as anyways

He’s not worthy of bringing us beer?

When he got here to Australia I thought about friending him of Facebook just to taunt him, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it.

speaking of which, I had my first non-Fosters Aussie beer last week. Now I see why Aussies denigrate Foster’s.

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Alyosha  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:56:17pm

re: #35 Usually refered to as anyways

He’s not worthy of bringing us beer?

When he got here to Australia I thought about friending him of Facebook just to taunt him, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it.

I think you made the right decision.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:58:13pm

I wish I could go. Sigh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 16, 2016 • 11:59:56pm

re: #37 Alyosha

I’ve heard of it, but never seen it. Just read Roger Ebert’s review of it and I can see why.
We don’t easily process ambiguity and when it involves the race of people we dispossessed, understanding simply dries up.
I’m going to keep an eye out for it.
Hey, at least it isn’t Crocodile Dundee <blech>

It’s a multi-layered movie. Probably one that needs to be watched more than once.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:00:42am

re: #23 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

BTW, I have not found anything online regarding Rage Furby’s motion to quash the subpoena in NAF v CMP. Has it shown up in PACER, anyone?

Also what happened to his California pro se lawsuit against Gawker? Did he never serve the defendants with notice? Because they could own him if they responded with an anti SLAPP motion here, and I’m not sure they’d even need to wait for official service to do so, since he did file and publicize it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:01:50am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

I have no idea. Maybe Charles does.

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:02:09am

re: #35 Usually refered to as anyways

When he got here to Australia I thought about friending him of Facebook just to taunt him, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it.

I “friended” him on Facebook right away when I found out I could do such a thing. He blocked me when I sent him this picture of himself.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:03:21am

re: #38 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

speaking of which, I had my first non-Fosters Aussie beer last week. Now I see why Aussies denigrate Foster’s.

We have some great beers depending on your tastes.

I tend to swap in different states, and for different food.

Barbies:
VB in Victoria
Tooheys New in NSW
XXXX in QLD
Southwark in South Australia

Softer beers with meals, often International beers.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:05:17am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

The case he filed in California appears nowhere on pacermonitor.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:06:10am

re: #45 Usually refered to as anyways

I had a Carlton. Idk which kind

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:07:26am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

The case he filed appears nowhere on pacermonitor …

He filed in Fresno District Court, IIRC. Not in federal court.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:08:02am

re: #39 Alyosha

I think you made the right decision.

Yeah thanks, sometimes on twitter I could say something to him, and I would just feel better for getting it out of the system.

I entered the ‘Fitness Protection Program’, so exercise is out of the question.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:09:41am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He filed in Fresno District Court, IIRC. Not in federal court.

Oh right. Fresno Superior Court has a shit website.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:09:51am

re: #44 teleskiguy

I “friended” him on Facebook right away when I found out I could do such a thing. He blocked me when I sent him this picture of himself.

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And I thought that was one of his more flattering ones.
That guy!!!

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:10:22am

UpChuck is trying to ride this “alt-right” Donald Trump white supremacy wave as high as his pitiful little mind can go. He’s been reading Mein Kampf and his latest Twitter sock puppet is following all of the worst white men on Twitter.

UpChuck is vomit bile, stomach spew, that feeling you get when the dab keef bong rip makes you cough half a lung and then see stars after a refrigerator drops on your head.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:14:52am

re: #47 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I had a Carlton. Idk which kind

Its a Victorian beer maker ‘Carlton Breweries’ it use to be made in a suburb in Melbourne called Carlton.
Carlton Draught was fairly popular when I was growing up.

I never drank it much, but I did spend a night in the Carlton lockup.
One night in my band days a after a gig we did a pub crawl in Carlton, I don’t remember much but I found out later I had been banned from 4 hotels.

Good times!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:17:53am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Oh right. Fresno Superior Court has a shit website.

Actually it looks like they finally improved it. I found the case. I was right in that there appears to have been no service to the defendants even attempted. A case management conference is scheduled for April 11th.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:27:13am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Actually it looks like they finally improved it. I found the case. I was right in that there appears to have been no service to the defendants even attempted. A case management conference is scheduled for April 11th.

Gday GDF

Can you elaborate more on what ‘A case management conference is scheduled for April 11th’ may mean?

Please forgive my ignorance.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:27:18am
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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:30:25am

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

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Grifter could have been grifting his supporters all along.

Holidays are not cheap.
Nor is migration. not that I believe he would be in any position to migrate here.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:36:24am

re: #57 Usually refered to as anyways

Grifter could have been grifting his supporters all along.

Holidays are not cheap.
Nor is migration. not that I believe he would be in any position to migrate here.

Back in the mid-‘70’s I looked into emigrating to AU. You pretty much need to have a useful career path going to get admittance. He doesn’t qualify.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:38:09am

I chose not to move because everything living there is trying to kill you.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:46:46am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Back in the mid-‘70’s I looked into emigrating to AU. You pretty much need to have a useful career path going to get admittance. He doesn’t qualify.

Yeah, you have to have a lot of money to invest if you don’t have ties here.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:49:13am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

I chose not to move because everything living there is trying to kill you.

That’s why we are naturally fit and healthy.

Bob and weave, bob and weave, fake him to to left, fake him to the right, put your left foot in.

You get use to it, mother in laws are worse…

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:51:23am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

I chose not to move because everything living there is trying to kill you.

Have you seen my twit page, we have some of the best beaches I have ever seen, and great weather too.

twitter.com

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 12:53:05am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Back in the mid-‘70’s I looked into emigrating to AU. You pretty much need to have a useful career path going to get admittance. He doesn’t qualify.

Sorry edited:
Yeah, you have to have a lot of money to invest if you don’t have ties here.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:04:02am

SF tech bro is angry at having to see poor people.

I know people are frustrated about gentrification happening in the city, but the reality is, we live in a free market society. The wealthy working people have earned their right to live in the city. They went out, got an education, work hard, and earned it. I shouldn’t have to worry about being accosted. I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless people to and from my way to work every day.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:19:13am
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:29:54am

re: #62 Usually refered to as anyways

Have you seen my twit page, we have some of the best beaches I have ever seen, and great weather too.

twitter.com

I have an IRC friend from Mackay. He came to visit US and Canada last February. I showed him a fair amount the sights in Northern California in the week he spent here. I have seen lots of his pictures from AU. Beautiful, but even in the ocean half the critters are trying to kill you.

Wrights Lake (Desolation Wilderness in background)

Here’s his silhouette at Wrights Lake at 7,000’ almost a year ago during the drought (that hasn’t really ended). Fuck you, El Nino, you pussy. That area should have been under 10’ of snow and we could drive up there without 4wd turned on.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:30:48am
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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:39:06am

re: #66 Single-handed sailor

I have an IRC friend from Mackay. He came to visit US and Canada last February. I showed him a fair amount the sights in Northern California in the week he spent here. I have seen lots of his pictures from AU. Beautiful, but even in the ocean half the critters are trying to kill you.

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Here’s his silhouette at Wrights Lake at 7,000’ almost a year ago during the drought (that hasn’t really ended). Fuck you, El Nino, you pussy. That area should have been under 10’ of snow and we could drive up there without 4wd turned on.

I love the US, I will be back in California in July for a wedding, then deciding whether to drive across to New York, stopping at places along the way, or fly to New York and spend perhaps 5-6 weeks there before heading of to the UK.
We have found the people of the US to be very friendly.

The wife and I will be in the UK for an undetermined time, wanting to use it as a gateway to Europe.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:43:12am

re: #61 Usually refered to as anyways

That’s why we are naturally fit and healthy.

Bob and weave, bob and weave, fake him to to left, fake him to the right, put your left foot in.

You get use to it, mother in laws are worse…

Well, anyone not fit and healthy has already been eliminated from the gene pool by the wildlife.

//

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:48:51am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, anyone not fit and healthy has already been eliminated from the gene pool by the wildlife.

//

You can try what I do, when you go swimming take a friend.
Then you don’t have to out swim a shark, just be faster than the guy you take.

Travel tip:
Always take a bomb on a plane when you fly.
The odds of a bomb on a plane are minimal, the odds of two bombs on the same plane are next to zero
/// Sarc tags cos I thought I should.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2016 • 1:59:52am

re: #34 majii

They’ve attacked him since Day One and he’s never demanded an apology from them or lashed out at them in extreme anger in public. I must say he has a decent, even temperament because if I were in his place, I’d have said some things to them long ago that would have them actually crying real tears every d*mn day.

He’s saving it all for his book. I can’t wait to read it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 2:47:00am

Ben Carson was really good at it back when he was still relevant. Remember how he tried to portray mocking comments about his statements on using the pyramids as grain storage vaults into attacks on his Christian faith?

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Danack  Feb 17, 2016 • 2:54:39am

re: #71 sagehen

He’s saving it all for his book. I can’t wait to read it.

A book first and then hosting Saturday Night Live or other comedy show.

Or at least that’s my dream.

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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 3:23:37am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ben Carson was really good at it back when he was still relevant. Remember how he tried to portray mocking comments about his statements on using the pyramids as grain storage vaults into attacks on his Christian faith?

Way back when Trump was going to fold ‘any day now’.
I remember that dawning sense of abject horror.
We’ve gazed into the abyss for too long.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 3:32:50am

re: #74 Alyosha

Way back when Trump was going to fold ‘any day now’.
I remember that dawning sense of abject horror.
We’ve gazed into the abyss for too long.

A fresh Quinnipiac likely-voter poll shows an 8 point bump for Trump over two weeks. Note that their LV model has had problems in the past.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 3:37:09am

A thread about Jeb Bush is anappropriate place for this, sorry if you already saw it in a previous thread yesterday.

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Tigger2  Feb 17, 2016 • 3:38:13am

I can’t stand Joe or Mika. Gona be a lot of butt kissing going on there.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 3:52:41am

Something to clear yesterday’s bullshit, and make room for today’s:

Miles Davis - Time After Time

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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:06:55am

re: #75 Decatur Deb

A fresh Quinnipiac likely-voter poll shows an 8 point bump for Trump over two weeks. Note that their LV model has had problems in the past.

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The waiting is killing me, and although Sanders doesn’t excite me and his followers can tend to be obnoxious (no need to comment, I admire your pragmatic hands-off approach until a candidate is selected) I’m feeling increasingly more confident about him running, should he be the nominee.

To be honest, I loathe poll-watching. Polls tend to act as unsolicited focus groups. I like organic campaigns that go with their gut… perversely, like Trump has… only less stupid, stronger in terms of policy elucidation and appealing to the positive. Clinton has been criticised as appearing to be driven by poll validation. I don’t think it’s true and substance is more important to me than high-flown rhetoric, but I can’t account for the tastes of others and certainly can’t cast a vote of my own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:15:04am
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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:17:13am

re: #79 Alyosha

My confidence in Sanders is higher because I assume his candidacy was always meant to be a shot at the moon but will tighten up as it needs to if things get real. The form of his surrogates is faintly terrifying but it is only eclipsed by the uninhibited and monstrous aspect of the GOP.
I could always be disastrously, Kristol-wrong about this.

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Tigger2  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:28:43am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:41:08am

re: #82 Tigger2

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Hoping a bit of that is the structural explosion of social medial-driven ‘groupishness’, with a large overlap in adherents. Would love to see a study of multiple-group ‘joiners’.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:43:13am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Hoping a bit of that is the structural explosion of social medial-driven ‘groupishness’, with a large overlap in adherents. Would love to see a study of multiple-group ‘joiners’.

And what does “joiner” mean anyways? Do you pay dues to an organization or at least get on a mailing list?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:43:56am

Ucch this Bernie Bro is Tweeting out Anti-Hillary cartoons by Andy Branco, who is one of the most batshit wingnut extremist artists out there
Clue, dude: Branco doesn’t like Bernie any more than you like Hillary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 4:44:44am

re: #79 Alyosha

To be honest, I loathe poll-watching. Polls tend to act as unsolicited focus groups. I like organic campaigns that go with their gut…

Polls play to this American desire for instant results: miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and election results months in advance.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:00:56am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And what does “joiner” mean anyways? Do you pay dues to an organization or at least get on a mailing list?

For this purpose it would be to pay dues, subscribe, click the box, or whatever it takes to make it into SPLC’s count of hate groups.

(In that sense our family has ‘joined’ the Catholic Worker movement out of deep nostalgia, the protestant Koinonia Partners commune for the really great chocolate pecan Christmas goodies, and Habitat, just by showing up a lot with a toolbelt.)
catholicworker.org
koinoniafarm.org

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:11am

When Jeb! was tweeting his penis extension, he was hoping to reach…

…Trump/Cruz supporters.

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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:03:45am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Polls play to this American desire for instant results: miracle diets, overnight get-rich-quick schemes and election results months in advance.

The drawn-out nature of American elections is terrible for that reason. I might be haranguing the brow-beaten, but the industry it has created, the Luntzes who craft the message, the dickweeds that parrot them, and now the endless congaline of disgusting pundits who pick and parse, who leap to speculate on matters, entirely ignoring the substance of the debate in favour of manufacturing outrage or inflating the importance of candidates who ought to be screaming obscenities from a street corner…

Fuck the banks, it’s the media that has screwed up social and political dialogue. A population, destitute and angry, is better served by decent and objective news agencies than any common sense banking regulation passed tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:04:01am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

For this purpose it would be to pay dues, subscribe, click the box, or whatever it takes to make it into SPLC’s count of hate groups.

(In that sense our family has ‘joined’ the Catholic Worker movement out of deep nostalgia, the protestant Koinonia Partners commune for the really great chocolate pecan Christmas goodies, and Habitat, just by showing up a lot with a toolbelt.)
catholicworker.org
koinoniafarm.org

I look into a lot of sites out of interest without “joining the movement”. Heck, I joined LGF back when it was a lot more conservative and before the Islamophobes were purged.

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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:04:24am

Okay, I’m gonna take a back seat now :)

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:07:00am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

WTF is that?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:08:39am

re: #92 Le Lapin Tueur

WTF is that?

Patriots who are at this moment planning on how do defend America against Obama’s plans to impose the LGBT secularist Caliphate…

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Tigger2  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:09:03am

re: #92 Le Lapin Tueur

WTF is that?

It sure isn’t Charlies Angels. : ))

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:09:36am

re: #92 Le Lapin Tueur

WTF is that?

“A well regulated militia”, something, something….FREDDDUM!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:11:27am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I look into a lot of sites out of interest without “joining the movement”. Heck, I joined LGF back when it was a lot more conservative and before the Islamophobes were purged.

LGF talks a good pie, but UPS never brings one here. Koinonia delivers.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:12:53am

Morning Lizards. Today I am one happy camper. The new high speed DSL modem showed up yesterday and I finally got everything working right this morning. Current speed tests showing 36.49 mb/sec download and .26 mb/sec upload while streaming a YouTube music video. I really would love to see what a pure fiber optic connection would be like.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:13:07am

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Miguel Diaz de la Portilla said Tuesday evening a proposal allowing 1.5 million people with concealed weapons permits in Florida to openly carry handguns is officially dead for the 2016 session.

“Open carry is not going to happen; it’s done,” the Miami Republican senator told reporters.

[…]

It’s among three gun bills he’s killing this session by not granting them hearings in his committee, a powerful prerogative that committee chairman have.

[…]

“On all of these gun bills, I don’t believe any of them are necessary,” Diaz de la Portilla said. “They could result in unintended consequences. I think we need to prioritize in our committee, as far as what we hear. We can’t hear every bill that’s referred to us.”

America is a just a bit safer today.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:13:45am

re: #92 Le Lapin Tueur

WTF is that?

The “Accountants Only” target array for FBI pistol re-qualification.

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Nojay UK  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:19:24am

re: #92 Le Lapin Tueur

WTF is that?

I think it’s what the old-style left-wingers called the “lumpenproletariat”.

I do like the way the group has been posed for the picture with the more “solid” white-race citizen patriot freedom types in the middle and the III% (by volume) types as the wingmen.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:20:17am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I look into a lot of sites out of interest without “joining the movement”. Heck, I joined LGF back when it was a lot more conservative and before the Islamophobes were purged.

I’d say we ‘joined’ LGF when we went from lurking and registered. That might be a useful threshold if someone like SPLC were counting the growth of blogs.

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Alyosha  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:35am

re: #100 Nojay UK

I think it’s what the old-style left-wingers called the “lumpenproletariat”.

I do like the way the group has been posed for the picture with the more “solid” white-race citizen patriot freedom types in the middle and the III% (by volume) types as the wingmen.

Is that Newspeak for ‘rolling barricade’?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:56am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

“A well regulated fed militia”, something, something….FREDDDUM!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:23:21am

Trump is going to threaten a lawsuit in 5…4…3…..

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:27:47am

re: #97 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. Today I am one happy camper. The new high speed DSL modem showed up yesterday and I finally got everything working right this morning. Current speed tests showing 36.49 mb/sec download and .26 mb/sec upload while streaming a YouTube music video. I really would love to see what a pure fiber optic connection would be like.

Maybe someday we will all have google fiber.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:31:52am

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe someday we will all have google fiber.

Honestly, I just wish I had choice. I’m in an apartment building that has an exclusive agreement with Time Warner. We’re not allowed to have an option such at AT&T DSL and Verizon FIOS isn’t in this part of Los Angeles. I’m tired of dealing with a monopoly.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:34:20am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

When Jeb! was tweeting his penis extension, he was hoping to reach…

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…Trump/Cruz supporters.

Jebthro isn’t gonna get his gun off in South Carolina. He will however shoot himself in the foot and then limp to Florida where he’ll do the Twit Of The Year thing and shoot his campaign in the head…

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:35:35am

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:39:48am

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe someday we will all have google fiber.

That would be nice. I would really love a 1 gb/s connection.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:42:09am

This is such breathtaking Stupids, repeating the bogus debunked bullshit meme that women go through an entire pregnancy and then have an abortion in the 9th month just for Teh LULZ
OF COURSE Baby Whiplash retweeted it==>

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:44:37am

LOL Wut?

Defeated Planned Parenthood, beat Gawker, off to take on Twitter?

Posted by Charles C. Johnson on Wednesday, February 17, 2016
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:53:04am

re: #89 Alyosha

The drawn-out nature of American elections is terrible for that reason. I might be haranguing the brow-beaten, but the industry it has created, the Luntzes who craft the message, the dickweeds that parrot them, and now the endless congaline of disgusting pundits who pick and parse, who leap to speculate on matters, entirely ignoring the substance of the debate in favour of manufacturing outrage or inflating the importance of candidates who ought to be screaming obscenities from a street corner…

Fuck the banks, it’s the media that has screwed up social and political dialogue. A population, destitute and angry, is better served by decent and objective news agencies than any common sense banking regulation passed tomorrow.

The electoral system works very differently from what I think the founders intended. Not anticipating the rise of national political parties, the founders likely envisioned that leading men from the states would be selected to be electors and rarely elect a president by majority vote, but rather would vote for several candidates, from whom Congress would select a President, somewhat like a parliamentary system. We can’t get to a parliamentary system without amending the Constitution, which is almost impossible, but we could, without amending the Constitution, make Congress more like a parliament, then perhaps return to a presidential election system more like the founders envisioned. This could be done by expanding the number of seats in the House, then making a large percentage of House seats elected proportionally rather than in first-past-the-post congressional districts. This would eliminate the ability of gerrymandering to minimize people’s voting power, and it would break the two parties’ monopoly on power as third parties could then win seats in the House even without winning a congressional district, giving the US a multi-party system like most democracies. Once the Republicans and Democrats break up into three or more parties, that increases the likelihood of presidential elections in which no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes, thereby shifting the election of the President to Congress, requiring parties to negotiate a coalition government. With our political system no longer divided between “us” v. “them” and “them” being the evil ones who must be defeated at all cost, deal making and compromise could return to Congress. Election reform which guaranteed that every American has ample, convenient opportunity to vote would make government more likely to be responsive to the needs of all the people, and not just those willing to jump through flaming hoops to cast a ballot. That is my dream for election reform anyway; since the parties would never give up their monopoly on power willingly, its not likely to happen without a massive populist movement demanding more representative government. Its possible we are seeing, with the insurgent campaigns of Trump and Sanders, the first stirrings of such a revolt which leads to a major upheaval in American politics such as we haven’t seen since the Civil War. The Democrats and Republicans have proved to be remarkably adept a neutralizing populist movements over the last century and a half, so I’m not holding my breath, but American politics is more polarized now than at any time since the Civil War, so who knows.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:56:11am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

Rage Furby is starring in the modern retelling of Don Quixote. Except he doesn’t win in the end. Or the beginning. Or the middle.

And losing in court isn’t like tilting at windmills.

There are consequences to be had - you’ll be anti-SLAPPed (sung to you’ve been slapped by Marshall Erickson in How I Met Your Mother).

How I Met Your Mother - You Just Got Slapped - Marshall Eriksen feat. Barney Stinson

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 5:58:44am

I am just speculating now , but if Trump does go third-party, it would most likely mean that the Democratic candidate (most likely HRC) will be elected but - here’s the catch - without a majority of the popular vote.

That means that the GOP and TP would be able to claim that HRC is not the legitimate President (the fact that this was also the case with GWB in 2000 is irrelevant) and use that as their excuse to ignore of stonewall everything she tries to accomplish.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:00:37am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am just speculating now , but if Trump does go third-party, it would most likely mean that the Democratic candidate (most likely HRC) will be elected but - here’s the catch - without a majority of the popular vote.

That means that the GOP and TP would be able to claim that HRC is not the legitimate President (the fact that this was also the case with GWB in 2000 is irrelevant) and use that as their excuse to ignore of stonewall everything she tries to accomplish.

They will stonewall everything she tries to do anyway, as we learned when Obama was re-elected and the fever didn’t break as he hoped.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:15:08am

re: #113 lawhawk

There are consequences to be had - you’ll be anti-SLAPPed (sung to you’ve been slapped by Marshall Erickson in How I Met Your Mother).

Clearly he’s not thinking about the consequences because he’s spending quite a bit of money on his trip to the southern hemisphere.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:18:42am

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

The Democrats and Republicans have proved to be remarkably adept a neutralizing populist movements over the last century and a half, so I’m not holding my breath, but American politics is more polarized now than at any time since the Civil War, so who knows.

That is the first proven theorem of a winner take all system. There will be two major parties, and they will coopt any message similar to their own. The last time we had a major party go away, it split into two groups: a new party, and those that went to the other party. And, as polarized as we are now, there is no party that is going to split.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:19:10am

re: #116 Dr. Matt

Well, he’s probably burning the money knowing that when he loses, he’ll have nothing left for Gawker to claim (he thinks). Gawker could, however, attach liens to property, garnish wages, etc.

The potential is there for Chucky to have the legal equivalent of a permanent colonoscopy when all is said and done.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:20:50am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am just speculating now , but if Trump does go third-party, it would most likely mean that the Democratic candidate (most likely HRC) will be elected but - here’s the catch - without a majority of the popular vote.

That means that the GOP and TP would be able to claim that HRC is not the legitimate President (the fact that this was also the case with GWB in 2000 is irrelevant) and use that as their excuse to ignore of stonewall everything she tries to accomplish.

Yep they would go crazy: “NO MANDATE NO MANDATE”

Bill Clinton didn’t get to 50% in either election. I think he was 49% and change in 96.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:21:18am

Morning!

Just checking. Do we still have a country today?

Anymore when I awake I wonder.

Last night all I heard was how bad it was that Obama mentioned Trump like he was enabling him and helping to elect him. No mention that maybe what Obama said about Trump was actually true…no! We can’t say something bad about Trump he will berate us and make us a target.

Hello! Media that is your job.

Oh, that’s right. No media. No real check and balance from third parties with no agenda.

Thus I ask…do we still have a country? We may have land and people…but all those ties that bind us, sure are harder to see.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:22:09am

re: #119 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Yep they would go crazy: “NO MANDATE NO MANDATE”

Bill Clinton didn’t get to 50% in either election. I think he was 49% and change in 96.

Sounds right. Anyhow, if it hapepneed. I’ts not going to be Clinton’s fault if the GOP factions have a divorce.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:23:45am

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

Maybe someday we will all have google fiber.

Google is installing fiber on the edges of downtown.

This is AT&T on my street:

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:24:04am

re: #117 Belafon

That is the first proven theorem of a winner take all system. There will be two major parties, and they will coopt any message similar to their own. The last time we had a major party go away, it split into two groups: a new party, and those that went to the other party. And, as polarized as we are now, there is no party that is going to split.

There is the slight possibility that Trump splits with the GOP and founds a white nationalist party, but I think he is just bluffing about the RNC having broken the agreement. You are right, and that is why we would need to establish a proportional representation electoral system to break the two parties monopoly on power.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:25:56am

re: #120 ObserverArt

Morning!

Just checking. Do we still have a country today?

Anymore when I awake I wonder.

Last night all I heard was how bad it was that Obama mentioned Trump like he was enabling him and helping to elect him. No mention that maybe what Obama said about Trump was actually true…no! We can’t say something bad about Trump he will berate us and make us a target.

Hello! Media that is your job.

Oh, that’s right. No media. No real check and balance from third parties with no agenda.

Thus I ask…do we still have a country. We may have land and people…but all those ties that bind us, sure are harder to see.

No, we are nowhere near 1860 yet. And aren’t likely to get there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:26:55am

re: #124 Big Beautiful Door

No, we are nowhere near 1860 yet. And aren’t likely to get there.

The 1860 election==>

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:31:36am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

The 1860 election==>

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I wonder if we had an election that had Clinton, Sanders, Cruz and Trump running what a map of that might look like?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:32:01am

re: #118 lawhawk

Well, he’s probably burning the money knowing that when he loses, he’ll have nothing left for Gawker to claim (he thinks). Gawker could, however, attach liens to property, garnish wages, etc..

These “wages” you speak of, where does he get them?

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:32:21am

Apple opposes judge’s order to hack San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone

(CNN)Apple has responded to a California judge’s order to help the FBI break into the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters with a public letter saying it opposes such a move, labeling the instruction “an overreach by the U.S. government.”

While I understand that the FBI has a compelling reason to access that phone and any information that MAY be stored on it, it is also a known fact that law enforcement has a long history of abusing the privacy rights of Americans and any software developed by Apple to break the security of their product would be abused sooner rather than later.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:32:54am

re: #126 ObserverArt

I wonder if we had an election that had Clinton, Sanders, Cruz and Trump running what a map of that might look like?

Might as well throw Bloomberg in there as well; he’s been talking about spending a Billion on an independent bid.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:33:11am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

1876 was worse.

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Great White Snark  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:33:38am

re: #128 Bubblehead II

Heh, you beat me by seconds… Would be a good Page and LGF Poll maybe…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:34:02am
“In addition to the mainstream-media’s total lack of understanding when it comes to gun rights and gun culture, it is absolutely inexcusable to make light of suicide,” Campbell wrote.

“gun culture”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:34:58am

re: #127 Le Lapin Tueur

These “wages” you speak of, where does he get them?

The wife’s, relative’s….

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:36:11am

re: #128 Bubblehead II

Apple opposes judge’s order to hack San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone

(CNN)Apple has responded to a California judge’s order to help the FBI break into the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters with a public letter saying it opposes such a move, labeling the instruction “an overreach by the U.S. government.”

While I understand that the FBI has a compelling reason to access that phone and any information that MAY be stored on it, it is also a known fact that law enforcement has a long history of abusing the privacy rights of Americans and any software developed by Apple to break the security of their product would be abused sooner rather than later.

I would think Apple already has the capacity to do that. It has always been the case that the government, when it has probable cause, can obtain search warrants to inspect property for evidence which is otherwise off-limits.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:39:39am

re: #134 Big Beautiful Door

I would think Apple already has the capacity to do that. It has always been the case that the government, when it has probable cause, can obtain search warrants to inspect property for evidence which is otherwise off-limits.

Apple seems to think once they do it two things may happen. The government (at all levels) will start demanding it for all kinds of evidence in all kinds of cases and it may also allow the tech types to find out how it is done and their encryption method will be common knowledge.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:40:06am

re: #131 Great White Snark

Heh, you beat me by seconds… Would be a good Page and LGF Poll maybe…

Done. Except I don’t know how to do a poll.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:40:17am

re: #128 Bubblehead II

Apple opposes judge’s order to hack San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone

(CNN)Apple has responded to a California judge’s order to help the FBI break into the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters with a public letter saying it opposes such a move, labeling the instruction “an overreach by the U.S. government.”

While I understand that the FBI has a compelling reason to access that phone and any information that MAY be stored on it, it is also a known fact that law enforcement has a long history of abusing the privacy rights of Americans and any software developed by Apple to break the security of their product would be abused sooner rather than later.

I’d say that since a Judge is giving an order, it works just like an order for a warrant, and if so, Apple should comply. Doesn’t mean that there can’t be a discussion if this is right/wrong, but I think they should follow the order.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:43:35am
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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:43:54am

re: #128 Bubblehead II

Apple opposes judge’s order to hack San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone

(CNN)Apple has responded to a California judge’s order to help the FBI break into the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters with a public letter saying it opposes such a move, labeling the instruction “an overreach by the U.S. government.”

While I understand that the FBI has a compelling reason to access that phone and any information that MAY be stored on it, it is also a known fact that law enforcement has a long history of abusing the privacy rights of Americans and any software developed by Apple to break the security of their product would be abused sooner rather than later.

So the FBI asked, and Apple said no. This is the type of thing that causes governments to require back doors. As much as I agree with the privacy argument, there comes a time when it doesn’t apply, and that time is when the person is part of a criminal investigation, and it is deemed by the government and judge to be appropriate, access should be provided.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:45:44am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Trump, how many elections have you won?

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:45:56am

re: #137 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’d say that since a Judge is giving an order, it works just like an order for a warrant, and if so, Apple should comply. Doesn’t mean that there can’t be a discussion if this is right/wrong, but I think they should follow the order.

To be honest, I don’t. If Apple caves on this then law enforcement will want all other tech companies to follow suit. This order sets a very bad precedent and is a very large threat to individual privacy.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:47:14am

re: #141 Bubblehead II

To be honest, I don’t. If Apple caves on this then law enforcement will want all other tech companies to follow suit. This order sets a very bad precedent and is a very large threat to individual privacy.

If a judge issues an order to allow cops to search your house, can you stop them?

How does it set a bad precedent? They went to a judge, and got a court order. How is that different than any other search? That seems like exactly what we want: Police get a warrant for a search.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:49:39am
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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:49:51am

Arrrgh. Is there not one damn person in this country that can put Trump in his place???

So freaking sick of his 13 year old spoiled-hated-rich-kid act. He walks around like a freaking orange rooster saying what ever he wants and people cover it like it is a thing.

It’s a thing all right.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:50:32am

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

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Chez Ko Pe  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:51:16am

re: #6 teleskiguy

Christ, SNL can’t touch this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:51:23am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:51:46am

re: #126 ObserverArt

I wonder if we had an election that had Clinton, Sanders, Cruz and Trump running what a map of that might look like?

Hard to say. The reason why that one is messed up is that Lincoln wasn’t on many ballots in the deep South.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:52:26am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

I’m pretty sure it’s to see if they were part of a group.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:52:32am

re: #142 Belafon

If a judge issues an order to allow cops to search your house, can you stop them?

You may not be able to stop them right then and there, but if the warrant is later found to be invalid or improperly executed, any evidence obtained would be inadmissible in court.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:52:39am

re: #142 Belafon

If a judge issues an order to allow cops to search your house, can you stop them?

Probably not. Though you can sue for abuse of power or acting under the color of law if there is evidence that the search was on false pretenses. You could also argue, in the event that you are charged and tried, that the search was unconstitutional/illegal/unlawful, and such a ruling would be appealable.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:53:35am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

I think they want to know what they were doing and who they were talking to in that time between the shooting and the police having the shootout with them.

FBI seems to think there is something there that might lead to how ISIS works with the crazies that might contact them in America and want to stir shit up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:54:06am

I just want someone to tell Trump to just shut the fuck up already.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:54:17am

re: #151 KGxvi

Probably not. Though you can sue for abuse of power or acting under the color of law if there is evidence that the search was on false pretenses. You could also argue, in the event that you are charged and tried, that the search was unconstitutional/illegal/unlawful, and such a ruling would be appealable.

And to me, this is no different than what should happen with these phones. I’m all for privacy. But if a cop goes to a judge and gets a warrant, then the phone is no different than any other property.

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:54:41am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

They clearly want to find out who they were communicating with, see if there was anyone else involved.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:54:45am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

There’s the guy who gave them the guns and has admitted to plotting an attack they didn’t go through with.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:54:54am

re: #152 ObserverArt

I think they want to know what they were doing and who they were talking to in that time between the shooting and the police having the shootout with them.

FBI seems to think there is something there that might lead to how ISIS works with the crazies that might contact them in America and want to stir shit up.

That makes sense, I suppose. The fact that they are dead also complicates the constitutional law questions since dead people don’t typically have rights, being… dead.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:57:44am

re: #154 Belafon

And to me, this is no different than what should happen with these phones. I’m all for privacy. But if a cop goes to a judge and gets a warrant, then the phone is no different than any other property.

Look out for a dudebro techhead attack. I am not saying you are wrong but we are in the Era of Snowden™ and many a younger American bought into all that privacy rant about the NSA. And then there is Glenn Greenwald.

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2016 • 6:59:26am

re: #126 ObserverArt

I wonder if we had an election that had Clinton, Sanders, Cruz and Trump running what a map of that might look like?

I see one of two possible outcomes:

1. It’d go overwhelmingly for Clinton as I don’t think Sanders would get more than 5% in most states, while Trump and Cruz would likely split the vote that would normally go for a single Republican.

2. It wouldn’t look much different than a normal election because Republican voters would eventually coalesce around either Trump or Cruz, with the other not getting much more than 8% in any state. Which might swing a state or two toward Clinton.

There’s a possibility that a couple of small states might go for the third or fourth place nominees, but not enough to throw the election to Congress.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:00:21am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

Looking for evidence of co-conspirators.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:01:19am

re: #145 KGxvi

The weird part of this iPhone story is that both shooters are dead. So, I’m left to wonder what the continued investigation and gathering of evidence is about. Neither of them can stand trial.

It would be very helpful to know if they had accomplices.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:02:40am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I just want someone to tell Trump to just shut the fuck up already.

I want him to keep talking; he is taking a wrecking ball to the GOP.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:02:59am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Look out for a dudebro techhead attack. I am not saying you are wrong but we are in the Era of Snowden™ and many a younger American bought into all that privacy rant about the NSA. And then there is Glenn Greenwald.

Understood. I’ll have to find out if these types hoard their garbage because the government might filter through it. If not, I’ll suggest it to them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:08:55am

re: #162 Big Beautiful Door

I want him to keep talking; he is taking a wrecking ball to the GOP.

True that heh. God he’s just so insufferable.

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:09:20am
Donald Trump’s presidential campaign on Tuesday falsely attributed a scathing quote about Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) to a former Republican senator.

Mediate reported that a tweet from campaign social media director Dan Scavino quoted former Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) saying of Cruz, “He is without a doubt, one of the most dishonest people in DC.” Trump then quoted Scavino’s tweet and added, “Unreal! Highly respected Senator Tom Coburn said this about Cruz.”

Both tweets have been deleted.

Coburn later told the Washington Examiner that the quote attributed to him was “an absolute fabrication.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Timothy Watson  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:11:11am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Look out for a dudebro techhead attack. I am not saying you are wrong but we are in the Era of Snowden™ and many a younger American bought into all that privacy rant about the NSA. And then there is Glenn Greenwald.

And throw in the stuff that people see on CSI, Criminal Minds, etc. which they actually believe the government can do.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:12:10am

Pathetic how Baby Whiplash panders to white racists. This won’t make them like him!

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ausador  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:18:42am

…it’s not illogical.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:20:15am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

Pathetic how Baby Whiplash panders to white racists. This won’t make them like him!

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And then when they do vote for her, he’ll call them stupid and voting for free stuff. HE just can’t help but to a hateful little asshole.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:24:52am
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Lidane  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:24:59am

The loons over at the Heritage Foundation are bleating again:

Fight to Replace Scalia Proves Supreme Court Has Become Too Powerful

*facepalm*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:27:36am

re: #171 Lidane

The loons over at the Heritage Foundation are bleating again:

Fight to Replace Scalia Proves Supreme Court Has Become Too Powerful

*facepalm*

Funny how they weren’t concerned about that when the Roberts court was weakening the Voting Rights Act. These fuckers have no intellectual honesty at all. Executive power was fine under Bush but then Obama comes in, they’re suddenly concerned about executive power. Obama has a Democratic Congress, they’re concerned about Congress being too powerful, and now that they’re losing their ideological advantage on the court, it’s now the USSC is too power. Must suck to be you Heritage, knowing that you’re again on the losing sdie of history.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:35:18am

Baby Whiplash sucks at The Analogy

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:36:03am

Oh and don’t you forget that for all their talks about states rights, it was Massachusetts legalizing gay marraige that inspired Bush to do the FMA. Conservatism as we know it in this coutnry isn’t a real ideology, it’s a reaction.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:36:22am

re: #171 Lidane

The loons over at the Heritage Foundation are bleating again:

Fight to Replace Scalia Proves Supreme Court Has Become Too Powerful

*facepalm*

Well they’ve never much liked the Court since Brown vs Board of Ed.

STANDING ATHWART HISTORY YELLING STOP!!!!!11

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CriticalDragon1177  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:36:55am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

They only think the court is “too powerful” when it makes decisions they don’t like, regardless of whether they’re in line with the constitution or not.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:37:14am

The same part of the Constitution that allowed the 1% beginning with Reagan, to seize & redistribute wealth for the past 40 years?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:37:25am

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash sucks at The Analogy

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Nearly 50 years of legal precedent says it’s not murder, how about you see someone about your relationships with neo-Nazis, Ben.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:37:39am

re: #176 CriticalDragon1177

They only think the court is “too powerful” when it makes decisions they don’t like, regardless of whether they’re in line with the constitution or not.

That’s exactly what I’m getting at.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:37:44am

re: #170 The Vicious Babushka

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I saw that last night. Totally disgusting the way Trump demands no one protest him.

And then to bring ordinary guys that hassled the protesters up to acknowledge their bullying just blew me away.

He is feeding bad behavior and if he should get the nomination and head to the general election what is he going to do…invite his army of goons to go pound on people they hear might vote for the other candidate? Will there be goons in Cleveland that will go around and pound on any and all protesters?

He is playing with danger and he doesn’t seem to know how it could quickly get out of hand. But hey, no problem for Donald…he will say he doesn’t condone it after the fact.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:38:26am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Which part of the Constitution allows you to seize and redistribute wealth in the name of your utopian vision? t.co
— Ben Shapiro

Wednesday morning is a bit early to be hitting the sauce.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:39:34am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

The same part of the Constitution that allowed the 1% beginning with Reagan, to seize & redistribute wealth for the past 40 years?

The 16th.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:39:36am

Hey Baby Whiplash, requiring a bakery to sell cake to a paying customer, which is, you know, THE BUSINESS THEY ARE IN, is not “participating in a wedding.”

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:41:10am

re: #172 HappyWarrior

And they disowned ever creating the basis for the individual mandate, which was done to counter the single payer options proffered by Democrats. Rather, they went and claimed it was unconstitutional - even though they invented the idea as a way to assure personal responsibility for a person’s own health care costs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:41:11am

re: #181 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wednesday morning is a bit early to be hitting the sauce.

He’s always like this. I don’t think he’s drunk. He’s always this miserable. As VB gets at, the same legaities that allowed Reagan to fuck the Middle Class in favor of his wealthy buddies would allow Bernie legally to do the same things his way if Congress approved them.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:41:25am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Baby Whiplash, requiring a bakery to sell cake to a paying customer, which is, you know, THE BUSINESS THEY ARE IN, is not “participating in a wedding.”

I expect any business to act like a business and sell to all customers equally. If the employees want to be Christian, they can do it outside the business.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:41:46am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Hey Baby Whiplash, requiring a bakery to sell cake to a paying customer, which is, you know, THE BUSINESS THEY ARE IN, is not “participating in a wedding.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:43:30am

I don’t know of any religion or culture in which the “cake feeding” is a part of the actual wedding ceremony. CMIIW.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:45:12am

re: #187 No Country For Old Haters

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Indeed. We always hear about CHRISTIANS FORCED TO TAKE PART IN GAY WEDDINGS. Well when you own a business that offers goods for weddings, you have to offer the same product to all weddings. If I owned a bar, I wouldn’t be able to deny Ben his choice of poison because I find him an insufferable twat who wants white supremacists to like him. It’s the same with “Christian bakeries” who offer baked goods for weddings. And as you get at, tehre are plenty of Christians fine with gay marriage and shock some who are even getting married themselves. But I guess Ben will tell gay Christians they’re not true Christians the way he does liberal Jews the way they’re not real Jews because this hateful little midget thinks he can tell people who’s a true what.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:45:58am

re: #77 Tigger2

I can’t stand Joe or Mika. Gona be a lot of butt kissing going on there.

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What’s the odds they try to ask him about the Birther crap, whether or not he still believes it (or ever believed it)? Trump was quite vocal, repeatedly, that his “investigators” were finding “you won’t believe, it’s incredible, so much, I’ll release it when the time is right”… and now he waves off any question about it as “I don’t want to talk about that anymore.” A real journalist would demand a real answer.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:46:00am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know of any religion or culture in which the “cake feeding” is a part of the actual wedding ceremony. CMIIW.

Cake is secular. There’s no such thing as a Christian baker, just a baker that happens to be Christian.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:46:37am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know of any religion or culture in which the “cake feeding” is a part of the actual wedding ceremony. CMIIW.

I don’t think getting drunk on cheap champagne and puking all over Aunt Ethel after doing the Electric Slide is part of a religion or culture either. /

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:47:52am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

If I owned a bar, I wouldn’t be able to deny Ben his choice of poison because I find him an insufferable twat who wants white supremacists to like him.

I think you can deny him for this reason. You just can’t deny him a drink because he’s Jewish, whatever version of Judaism allows him to be the bigot he is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:48:16am

re: #192 ObserverArt

I don’t think getting drunk on cheap champagne and puking all over Aunt Ethel after doing the Electric Slide is part of a religion or culture either. /

Well in my family, my older cousins forcing me to dance is part of holy sacraments!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:49:34am

re: #193 Belafon

I think you can deny him for this reason. You just can’t deny him a drink because he’s Jewish, whatever version of Judaism allows him to be the bigot he is.

Ah true. I really don’t get these businesses. What kind of stupid business man or woman says they’ll flat out cut part of the copulation population from their customer base not to mention that person’s family and friends.

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No Country For Old Haters  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:50:18am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Cake is secular. There’s no such thing as a Christian baker, just a baker that happens to be Christian.

If there were Christian bakers, I’d be concerned that they’re the baking equivalent of Christian Rock. Not good enough for the mainstream, but beloved by people who want their superstitions reinforced.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:50:36am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Indeed. We always hear about CHRISTIANS FORCED TO TAKE PART IN GAY WEDDINGS. Well when you own a business that offers goods for weddings, you have to offer the same product to all weddings. If I owned a bar, I wouldn’t be able to deny Ben his choice of poison because I find him an insufferable twat who wants white supremacists to like him. It’s the same with “Christian bakeries” who offer baked goods for weddings. And as you get at, tehre are plenty of Christians fine with gay marriage and shock some who are even getting married themselves. But I guess Ben will tell gay Christians they’re not true Christians the way he does liberal Jews the way they’re not real Jews because this hateful little midget thinks he can tell people who’s a true what.

Bakeries are not “Christian” any more than kosher bakeries are “Jewish” or halal bakeries are “Muslim” or gluten-free bakeries are whatever religion eats only gluten free. They are bakeries which sell bread and pastry, some may sell only specialty products that meet certain dietary requirements. What these bakeries have in common is that they are required to provide their products TO ALL CUSTOMERS whether or not they are of the same faith/political/race as the bakery owners.

Baby Whiplash and all his friends can’t seem to grasp this basic concept.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:51:13am

re: #190 sagehen

I truly believe that Joe Scarborough is looking for a position in Trumps cabinet if, spare the thought, he wins. He’s blowing The Donald every chance he gets. Early morning television has become ghastly…

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KGxvi  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:51:22am

re: #192 ObserverArt

I don’t think getting drunk on cheap champagne and puking all over Aunt Ethel after doing the Electric Slide is part of a religion or culture either. /

Ending the night with a prayer to the porcelain goddess seems to be a common part of ceremony for many

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:52:54am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Bakeries are not “Christian” any more than kosher bakeries are “Jewish” or halal bakeries are “Muslim” or gluten-free bakeries are whatever religion eats only gluten free. They are bakeries which sell bread and pastry, some may sell only specialty products that meet certain dietary requirements. What these bakeries have in common is that they are required to provide their products TO ALL CUSTOMERS whether or not they are of the same faith/political/race as the bakery owners.

Baby Whiplash and all his friends can’t seem to grasp this basic concept.

Exactly. Too bad the waste of a Harvard education doesn’t get this at al.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:53:45am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Well in my family, my older cousins forcing me to dance is part of holy sacraments!

In mine, it’s considered more a form of martyrdom…..

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Snarknado!  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:54:03am

re: #134 Big Beautiful Door

I would think Apple already has the capacity to do that. It has always been the case that the government, when it has probable cause, can obtain search warrants to inspect property for evidence which is otherwise off-limits.

No, Apple doesn’t have the technology to do it — the government is arguing (again — we did this during the Clinton administration) that they should develop the technology to break into phones and build it into all phones. Which would result, after about 10 seconds, in hackers of all stripes being able to break into everyone’s phone.

I say Apple is right and the government is wrong. The good guys won this in the last round, and I hope they win it again.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:55:02am

The GOP owns this mess - and Trump is the GOP mess they never realized they didn’t not want.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:56:21am

re: #203 lawhawk

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The GOP owns this mess - and Trump is the GOP mess they never realized they didn’t not want.

They wanted the votes of bigots and thought they could control them. Tough shit for them that in this post Citizens United world that they can no longer control them.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:56:38am

re: #202 Snarknado!

No, Apple doesn’t have the technology to do it — the government is arguing (again — we did this during the Clinton administration) that they should develop the technology to break into phones and build it into all phones. Which would result, after about 10 seconds, in hackers of all stripes being able to break into everyone’s phone.

I say Apple is right and the government is wrong. The good guys won this in the last round, and I hope they win it again.

So, what you’re saying is that the government, going through the correct channels by getting a judges order, has no right to ever search any private property in a criminal investigation? Because the phone, while an awesome technological wonder developed in my lifetime, is property.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:56:47am

re: #196 No Country For Old Haters

If there were Christian bakers, I’d be concerned that they’re the baking equivalent of Christian Rock. Not good enough for the mainstream, but beloved by people who want their superstitions reinforced.

Isn’t there some law somewhere about adding human blood to food and then selling it?

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ausador  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:57:07am

Several questions actually, and not much in the way of solid answers yet.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 7:57:51am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

They wanted the votes of bigots and thought they could control them. Tough shit for them that in this post Citizens United world that they can no longer control them.

Actually, this isn’t the result of CU, it’s the ultimate result of the Southern Strategy and thinking that picking up the racists that left the Democrats was a good idea.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:02:26am

Baby Whiplash does not get this “reality” thing he claims to know all about==>

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Snarknado!  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:03:06am

re: #205 Belafon

So, what you’re saying is that the government, going through the correct channels by getting a judges order, has no right to ever search any private property in a criminal investigation? Because the phone, while an awesome technological wonder developed in my lifetime, is property.

They are free to search it as much as they wish — it’s in their possession, after all. They’re not free to compel Apple to develop a new technology and add it to the phone.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:04:32am

re: #208 Belafon

Actually, this isn’t the result of CU, it’s the ultimate result of the Southern Strategy and thinking that picking up the racists that left the Democrats was a good idea.

It is the Southern Strategy but also Citizens United that weakened the control of the establishment types but yes this is the ulimate result of the Southern Straetgy.

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:05:29am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Ah true. I really don’t get these businesses. What kind of stupid business man or woman says they’ll flat out cut part of the copulation from their customer base not to mention that person’s family and friends.

Hehehe…pretty sure this is a typo, or maybe your thoughts are on something else ;)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:05:49am

In what alternative “reality” (actually: fantasy) does Baby Whiplash live where loan officers turned down unqualified applicants, instead of aggressively pushing their subprime financial products to low-income consumers?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:05:51am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash does not get this “reality” thing he claims to know all about==>

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His entire ideology (Ben’s) is at war with reality. Bernie may be unrealistic because it’s perhaps unreasonable to expect us to become Norway but Ben’s dream is of an America that never existed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:06:20am

re: #212 danarchy

Hehehe…pretty sure this is a typo, or maybe your thoughts are on something else ;)

My computer sucks tehse days. Really slow and the like. MEant population.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:07:43am

Donald Trump suggests throwing somebody out of an airplane and SMOTI cheers!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:08:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:09:14am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:09:32am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump suggests throwing somebody out of an airplane and SMOTI cheers!

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What part of “We always get our guys” do SMOTI and Trump not get. At least Bergdahl served unlike SMOTI and Trump who have no idea what the reality of military service is.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:09:50am

re: #210 Snarknado!

They are free to search it as much as they wish — it’s in their possession, after all. They’re not free to compel Apple to develop a new technology and add it to the phone.

Actually, they’re not free. As the article says, after ten invalid attempts, the phone erases everything. They should disable that in this case.

As for Apple’s argument, isn’t the reverse true: Apple’s setting up a dangerous president by basically saying “We’re a company, we don’t have to do anything to help in a criminal investigation”?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:10:00am

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

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It doesn’t work and maybe you’d know that Donald if you didn’t get your opinions on torture from 24.

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:13:01am

re: #210 Snarknado!

They are free to search it as much as they wish — it’s in their possession, after all. They’re not free to compel Apple to develop a new technology and add it to the phone.

As long as they are only asking them to do it for this phone I see absolutely no problem with it. This is not about adding a back door to all phones, it is about accessing this phone. Since apples code is closed it is reasonable to ask them to do this as long as they retain control of the code. Do it on a closed system not connected to any network to minimize the risk of the code getting into the wild.

No different than law enforcement contacting a security company to get help accessing a high tech safe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:13:04am

I kind of figured something was up when he tweet-stormed a bunch of hardcore porn the other night.

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withak  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:13:09am

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

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Apparently Trump didn’t get the memo; it’s not “torture,” it’s enhanced interrogation techniques.

Of all of the disgusting views Trump has espoused, this may actually be the worst, for its combination of inhumanity and convenient ignorance of reality.

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Great White Snark  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:15:03am

re: #136 Bubblehead II

Done. Except I don’t know how to do a poll.

Had to catch my ride in. I have a draft Page with my observations. How about I link in your Page and put a poll in that new Page? Suggestions on the phrasing, that’s always key.

If able Apple should comply now.
Apple should not comply pending the highest courts decision.
Not sure.

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Snarknado!  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:16:18am

re: #222 danarchy

As long as they are only asking them to do it for this phone I see absolutely no problem with it. This is not about adding a back door to all phones, it is about accessing this phone. Since apples code is closed it is reasonable to ask them to do this as long as they retain control of the code. Do it on a closed system not connected to any network to minimize the risk of the code getting into the wild.

No different than law enforcement contacting a security company to get help accessing a high tech safe.

According to Apple, they’re not just asking them to do it for this phone. (And why should the be forced to develop a free tech for anyone, anyway?)

(Sorry, gotta run before the rain starts — I expect we’ll be seeing more about this, and can discuss it at some later date.)

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Snarknado!  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:17:03am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll miss him.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:18:25am

re: #225 Great White Snark

Had to catch my ride in. I have a draft Page with my observations. How about I link in your Page and put a poll in that new Page? Suggestions on the phrasing, that’s always key.

If able Apple should comply now.
Apple should not comply pending the highest courts decision.
Not sure.

Go for it. Questions look good.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:19:51am

re: #226 Snarknado!

According to Apple, they’re not just asking them to do it for this phone. (And why should the be forced to develop a free tech for anyone, anyway?)

(Sorry, gotta run before the rain starts — I expect we’ll be seeing more about this, and can discuss it at some later date.)

Maybe because law enforcement asked them to with a judge’s approval.

When I read Apple’s statement, they’re not saying they can’t. They’re just saying they shouldn’t have to. Which I think is wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:21:20am

O_o

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withak  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:22:30am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Is this fucking Junior High? Seriously.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:23:20am

Trump thinks he’s all that and a bag of chips.
/People still say that these days, right?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:26:41am

re: #231 withak

Is this fucking Junior High? Seriously.

I think Middle School was more mature. It says a lot about GOP voters that they like this shit.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:27:59am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Imagine President Trump talking about that snot nosed North Korean leader with a chili-bowl haircut.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:30:23am

re: #234 Belafon

Imagine President Trump talking about that snot nosed North Korean leader with a chili-bowl haircut.

Remember when wingnuts used to say that the Obamas had no class. Hahahhaa.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:31:09am

re: #222 danarchy

No different than law enforcement contacting a security company to get help accessing a high tech safe.

When law enforcement has a warrant to get into a safe they think is booby-trapped to incinerate the contents when accessed… law enforcement has their own staff to try to figure out a way in. They don’t demand the safe company develop a workaround that disables the feature.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:34:20am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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as soon as I heard Jeb?! got contacts I knew something like this was gonna happen.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:34:31am

re: #231 withak

Is this fucking Junior High? Seriously.

Remember when presidential campaigns had some measure of dignity? Good times.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:34:36am

re: #236 sagehen

When law enforcement has a warrant to get into a safe they think is booby-trapped to incinerate the contents when accessed… law enforcement has their own staff to try to figure out a way in. They don’t demand the safe company develop a workaround that disables the feature.

What if the safe company developed that technology?

Edit: Oh, and do you have a case showing this?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:39:57am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Cake is secular.

Unless it is baked with the Consecrated Body of Christ.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:44:16am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

And speaking of Bowe Bergdahl…

Interesting, if depressing, piece in the New York Times about how harassment (most often, tellingly, by outsiders), has put a chill on peoples’ relations in Hailey, ID (his hometown).One of the downsides of living in The Information Age, I guess…

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:48:21am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

Jeb Bush just got contact lenses and got rid of the glasses. He wants to look cool, but it’s far too late. 1% in Nevada!

11:11 AM - 17 Feb 2016

Pure dick activity.

What is sad, his whole campaign is him being a dick and people are buying in and seemingly wanting to elect a total dick as a President.

Unbelievable…but here we are.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:49:22am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Remember when wingnuts used to say that the Obamas had no class. Hahahhaa.

Happy…this IS what passes for class with a wingnut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:49:42am

re: #242 ObserverArt

Pure dick activity.

What is sad, his whole campaign is him being a dick and people are buying in and seemingly wanting to elect a total dick as a President.

Unbelievable…but here we are.

I still believe that these people are and will remain a minority, but what disturbs me is that they are such a large minority and have no reservations about sharing their dickheadedness with the the entire world.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:51:45am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I still believe that these people are and will remain a minority, but what disturbs me is that they are such a large minority and have no reservations about sharing their dickheadedness with the the entire world.

All with the help of our lovely media.

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:52:23am

re: #236 sagehen

When law enforcement has a warrant to get into a safe they think is booby-trapped to incinerate the contents when accessed… law enforcement has their own staff to try to figure out a way in. They don’t demand the safe company develop a workaround that disables the feature.

Yeah, but I am sure they will demand the safe company provide schematics and details of how the safe works. So maybe apple would rather hand over their source code…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:54:33am

re: #245 ObserverArt

All with the help of our lovely media.

Like this one-hour “town hall”/Trump free commercial hosted by morning joe & mika.
Are they going to do that for each candidate?
No?

Remind me again why MSNBC fired Keith Olbermann.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:56:25am

re: #243 ObserverArt

Happy…this IS what passes for class with a wingnut.

Oh I know, I just think it’s funny that they think the Obamas are classless while they cheer this asshole on.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:58:16am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like this one-hour “town hall”/Trump free commercial hosted by morning joe & mika.
Are they going to do that for each candidate?
No?

Remind me again why MSNBC fired Keith Olbermann.

Not defending MSNBC, but that was under previous ownership (GE?). Now that Comcast owns them things are much different.

I would not be surprised if one day Rachel Maddow, and maybe Lawrence O’Donnell quit and go somewhere else. Problem for someone like Rachel…where would she go?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 8:58:51am

re: #249 ObserverArt

Not defending MSNBC, but that was under previous ownership (GE?). Now that Comcast owns them things are much different.

I would not be surprised if one day Rachel Maddow, and maybe Lawrence O’Donnell quit and go somewhere else. Problem for someone like Rachel…where would she go?

NPR?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:02:19am
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Great White Snark  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:02:56am

Apple/FBI poll is up… What says the Lizard Nation?

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Great White Snark  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:03:12am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh no!

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Jenner7  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:03:49am

Trump will be on MSNBC tonight, while Cruz, Rubio, and Carson will be on CNN.

Must have been on purpose, with the help of Joe.

Then Trump gets on CNN Thursday night, while Hillary and Bernie on MSNBC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:03:51am

re: #245 ObserverArt

All with the help of our lovely media.

they are great for ratings, just like the scum-of-the-earth reality shows that spawned them

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:05:47am

re: #253 Great White Snark

Oh no!

Car bomb according to what little info is coming out so far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:07:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:08:31am
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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:13:14am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

I wish a few major universities and companies would speak out about this, stating how not only is this going to hurt the country, but it will make these kids unemployable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:14:49am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

An Idaho Senate panel just approved a bill to let teachers use the Bible to teach biology

there is no arguing with these people. we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause

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nines09  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:15:01am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

What could possibly go wrong? Theocracy is another word for war.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:17:13am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh shit…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:19:25am

re: #45 Usually refered to as anyways

We have some great beers depending on your tastes.

I tend to swap in different states, and for different food.

Barbies:
VB in Victoria
Tooheys New in NSW
XXXX in QLD
Southwark in South Australia

Softer beers with meals, often International beers.

I used to like Coopers, but haven’t seen it around in a long time. I also used to listen to a lot of Australian rock: Radio Birdman, The Church, Paul Kelly, Weddings, Parties, Anything (not a huge AC/DC fan).

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Mike Lamb  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:19:57am

Re: CCJ—there is an order up on PACER granting his motion to quash. But reading the judge’s order, it was not granted on the substance of his motion. Instead, the parties essentially agreed that they didn’t need really need CCJ’s info.

Shocking, I know, that he’s playing it up as a major victory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:20:24am
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KingKenrod  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:24:37am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

Re: CCJ—there is an order up on PACER granting his motion to quash. But reading the judge’s order, it was not granted on the substance of his motion as it was that the parties agreed that they didn’t need really need CCJ’s info. Shocking, I know, that he’s playing it up as a major victory.

Hmm, suggests they know where the leak came from?

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:26:39am

re: #263 Barefoot Grin

I used to like Coopers, but haven’t seen it around in a long time. I also used to listen to a lot of Australian rock: Radio Birdman, The Church, Paul Kelly, Weddings, Parties, Anything (not a huge AC/DC fan).

Midnight Oil! Before they got huge.

Youtube Video

Swapped video. This one’s cooler, anyways…

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Mike Lamb  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:28:01am

re: #266 KingKenrod

Hmm, suggests they know where the leak came from?

The judge had all the parties sign declarations that basically stating they don’t know where the leak came from, but that they didn’t leak anything to CCJ.

Also important to note that the judge granted the motion without prejudice—if new information comes to light, the court will re-open the issue re: quashing the subpoena.

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Lidane  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:36:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:38:19am

heh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:39:47am

re: #269 Lidane

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I’m sure Scalia’s family will love hearing this. Man this is fucking sick shit.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:42:19am
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Jenner7  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:44:19am
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:44:43am

re: #205 Belafon

So, what you’re saying is that the government, going through the correct channels by getting a judges order, has no right to ever search any private property in a criminal investigation? Because the phone, while an awesome technological wonder developed in my lifetime, is property.

re: #210 Snarknado!

They are free to search it as much as they wish — it’s in their possession, after all. They’re not free to compel Apple to develop a new technology and add it to the phone.

This is exactly right. The FBI not asking to search a single phone. They are asking for the ability to search any iPhone at any time they want.

Imagine it this way. How would you feel if the FBI was granted the power to search anybody’s home on a whim without a warrant? That’s what the FBI is asking here.

There’s a word for governments that grant law enforcement this power.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:45:33am

re: #269 Lidane

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Disgusting. But this is to be expected from Lonesome Rhodes Beck…

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:47:05am

I’m shocked. Shocked that Ted Cruz is lying again about Ben Carson quitting the race and which candidates are getting endorsements from whom:

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz said in Anderson Tuesday night that his campaign had nothing to do with false reports on Facebook that U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy of Spartanburg had switched his support to Cruz from Marco Rubio, one of Cruz’s rivals for the GOP nomination.

“We had nothing to do with that, and I think it is unfortunate that the Rubio campaign would make allegations with no evidence,” Cruz told The Greenville News during an interview on his campaign bus just before he took the stage at the Anderson Civic Center.

“We had nothing to do with that,” Cruz said. “And we would not have anything to do with such a thing.”

Gowdy, however, blamed the Cruz campaign for circulating the false claim on social media.

“The truth actually matters to me and to all South Carolinians,” Gowdy said in a statement earlier Tuesday. “Unfortunately it appears that the campaign of Senator Ted Cruz may not place the same value on waging a contest based on the truth and facts.”

Cruz continues repeating the claim that CNN had stated Carson withdrew, but CNN never said any such thing.

Figures that the fact free GOP continues to deliver lack of facts.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:48:52am

I miss Keith Olbermann……

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:50:49am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s probably Daesh.

It will be blamed on the Kurds.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:51:44am

re: #278 Romantic Heretic

It’s probably Daesh.

It will be blamed on the Kurds.

My thoughts exactly…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:51:56am

Cruz said POTUS cannot nominate a new justice because he’s a lawless president….

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:54:12am

re: #280 Stanley Sea

Cruz said POTUS cannot nominate a new justice because he’s a lawless president….

Sen Cruz? Since when did you care about the law except as a weapon to bash your enemies with?

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2016 • 9:55:01am

re: #280 Stanley Sea

Cruz said POTUS cannot nominate a new justice because he’s a lawless president….

Cruz can bite my shiny metal ass. :)

These dopes are all about the Constitution unless it specifies something they disagree with.

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iossarian  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:00:06am

The constitution is crystal clear, and (IMO) rather simple in this case:

- the president nominates a replacement for Scalia
- the senate approves the nomination (or not)

The senate can of course not approve the nomination. Then they just have to explain why they’re not doing it*, and face positive/negative consequences at the ballot box.

* List of possible reasons:
- I’m running for president
- The Joch brothers told me to
- Obama is Satan spelled backwards with different letters
- Too busy consorting with prostitutes in diapers
- etc.

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Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:03:32am

The sound of GOP elites shitting their pants: weaselly Ben Domenech writes in the WashPo about how Trump’s voters don’t really care about the conservative orthodoxy of:

—Bush kept us safe
—There were WMDs
—Iraq was a good thing
—Planned Parenthood delenda est
—Tax cuts for the rich solve all economic problems

This is the formula, spoon-fed via Hate Radio & Fox Noise that has kept the masses somnolent and obedient for the past 15 years. And it ain’t working no more.

And they have nothing else. Thus: freakout.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:04:54am

re: #278 Romantic Heretic

It’s probably Daesh.

It will be blamed on the Kurds.

It will be blamed on whomever is the most convenient for the Turkish government.

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makeitstop  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:05:16am

re: #283 iossarian

Obama is Satan spelled backwards with different letters.

This made me laugh out loud. Thank you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:06:25am

meanwhile in Kentucky, things are still weird:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:07:12am

re: #280 Stanley Sea

Cruz said POTUS cannot nominate a new justice because he’s a lawless president….

And yet Nixon was appointing justices and they all got hearings even the mediocre one. Cruz is so fucking full of shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:07:48am

re: #284 Khal Wimpo (coatless in Vermont)

The sound of GOP elites shitting their pants: weaselly Ben Domenech writes in the WashPo about how Trump’s voters don’t really care about conservative orthodoxy

Trump heeded the TP when they said they were not affiliated with any political party. The GOP though that they could keep them in line. They failed to see that the TP will turn on anyone, regardless of party affiliation, if they take a dislike to them.

And it is not a matter of ideology, it is a matter of sheer cussed orneriness and the tone of disregard in which the message is delivered.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:08:49am

Lots of polls out today… bottom line is that Trump still leads by a comfortable margin in both SC and national popularity.

However, it does appear as if Rubio is pushing Cruz for the #2 choice in SC.

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:09:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:10:41am

Open Meetings Act…
how does that work????

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:14:58am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I kind of figured something was up when he tweet-stormed a bunch of hardcore porn the other night.

Apparently the account got hacked, hence the porn; because of that, the account’s being closed by its owner.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:15:35am

Next Bible based class in Idaho: Begat Education.

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Lidane  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:16:07am

ROFL:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:17:19am

re: #293 TedStriker

Apparently the account got hacked, hence the porn; because of that, the account’s being closed by its owner.

I saw that “my account was hacked” explanation.
However, this isn’t the first time he went on a night-long offensive rant.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:21:43am

re: #274 Romantic Heretic

This is exactly right. The FBI not asking to search a single phone. They are asking for the ability to search any iPhone at any time they want.

Imagine it this way. How would you feel if the FBI was granted the power to search anybody’s home on a whim without a warrant? That’s what the FBI is asking here.

There’s a word for governments that grant law enforcement this power.

From the article:

A judge in California ordered Apple on Tuesday to help the FBI break into the phone of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook.
..
Investigators had obtained permission to retrieve data from the phone but had been unable to search the device as it had been locked with a user-generated numeric passcode.

The FBI got permission to retrieve data from this one phone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:21:54am

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw that “my account was hacked” explanation.
However, this isn’t the first time he went on a night-long offensive rant.

also, the account hasn’t been closed, it’s still there.

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iossarian  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:22:32am

re: #295 Lidane

Ted Cruz is Such. A. Dick. Thanks for bringing this further evidence to add to the pile.

“Let me hector you some more with my high school debate team delivery.”

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Lidane  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:22:37am

re: #295 Lidane

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:25:14am

indeed…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:31:11am

re: #264 Mike Lamb

Re: CCJ—there is an order up on PACER granting his motion to quash. But reading the judge’s order, it was not granted on the substance of his motion. Instead, the parties essentially agreed that they didn’t need really need CCJ’s info.

Shocking, I know, that he’s playing it up as a major victory.

Hardly surprising, given how he’s claiming that the judge declaring lack of jurisdiction in MO for his Gawker lawsuit is a victory.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:33:00am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

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Can I use said Bible to hit these fools over the head???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:33:06am

jeebus…these people…

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retired cynic  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:33:20am

I am listening to Gov. Rauner speak to the Illinois Legislature. It is his budget address. Amazing chutzpah! He is not backing down at all, wants us to follow Wisconsin down the hole, or no budget. The applause is notable by its absence. He is so willing to compromise that they can choose one of two paths: continue the status quo, or let him cut the budget by himself. Hah! He name called and then said work with me! Almost no applause at the end. I wish it was possible for him to be recalled. The whole state is in lockdown.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:34:17am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus…these people…

With friends like that….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:34:33am
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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:35:06am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m glad that for once they’re stabbing each other in the back instead of us.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:35:23am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d rather talk about the Constitutionality of an AI running for office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:36:39am

re: #309 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I’d rather talk about the Constitutionality of an AI running for office.

Artificial Intelligence? Or Genuine Stupidity?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:37:41am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And if you like theocracy, Marco, move to Saudi Arabia. Marco knows damn well that Sanders’ platform has more in common with what exists in Norway and other Western countries.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:38:04am

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

Artificial Intelligence? Or Genuine Stupidity?

Allen Iverson.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:38:23am

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Allen Iverson.

Alien Invasion?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:40:53am

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Alien Invasion?

I know nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:41:45am

re: #309 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I’d rather talk about the Constitutionality of an AI running for office.

The Rubio Bot, the new and Spanish speaking version of the Romneybot. Warning: Does not include intelligence batteries.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:42:11am

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

Artificial Intelligence? Or Genuine Stupidity?

Amazing Idiot.

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iossarian  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:42:48am

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Allen Iverson.

The Answer!

/Polls?/ We talkin’ about /polls/?

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lawhawk  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:43:33am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

Canada?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:43:33am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now reports are 18 dead, 45 injured.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:44:55am

re: #319 Eric The Fruit Bat

Protip to Turkey. If you treat your minorities with respect, they will not try to leave the country.

I know there is a very high chance it was DAESH. But Erdogan’s situation is becoming tougher. He will blame the Kurds.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:46:10am

Here is someone who could give Baby Whiplash lessons in How To Jewish==>

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:50:12am

In a topic that most certainly won’t be breached in the townhalls tonight or tomorrow, an interesting updated on Neanderthal - modern human interbreeding:

As covered by Zimmer in the NYT:

Ancient Humans May Have Left a Genetic Mark on Neanderthals

The paper in Nature:

Ancient gene flow from early modern humans into Eastern Neanderthals

It has been shown that Neanderthals contributed genetically to modern humans outside Africa 47,000-65,000 years ago. Here we analyse the genomes of a Neanderthal and a Denisovan from the Altai Mountains in Siberia together with the sequences of chromosome 21 of two Neanderthals from Spain and Croatia. We find that a population that diverged early from other modern humans in Africa contributed genetically to the ancestors of Neanderthals from the Altai Mountains roughly 100,000 years ago. By contrast, we do not detect such a genetic contribution in the Denisovan or the two European Neanderthals. We conclude that in addition to later interbreeding events, the ancestors of Neanderthals from the Altai Mountains and early modern humans met and interbred, possibly in the Near East, many thousands of years earlier than previously thought.

Slowly, through DNA to a great extent, we are untangling our ancestry of the last 100,000 years or so. It appears as if some of our ancestors were toodling around SW Asia for several millennia, some of them interbred with Neanderthals, whose children headed off to central Asia… and then a bit later another group of modern humans went into SW Asia and interbred with later Neanderthals both in SW Asia and maybe Europe, and some of their descendants drifted back in Africa… while some other modern humans heading east bred with the Denisovans (who split from the Neanderthals even earlier)…

All of which adds up to a lot of sex happening between different populations of humans.

Someone at these townhalls on CNN ought to ask the Republicans what they think about this sex with other kinds of people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:51:40am

re: #322 freetoken

Someone at these townhalls on CNN ought to ask the Republicans what they think about this sex with other kinds of people.

Creationists will tell you that DNA strands are nothing but Satan’s pubic hairs…

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:51:56am

re: #322 freetoken

They’d tell you it’s proof of Genesis, when humans had sex with angels and produced giants.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:52:24am

Here is a question to as the Republicans:

Is marriage defined one H. sapiens and another H. sapiens only, or can a H. sapiens marry a H. neanderthalensis ?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:53:27am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Creationists will tell you that DNA strands are nothing but Satan’s pubic hairs…

You win!!! Unequivocally Win!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:54:00am
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Kragar  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:54:33am

re: #325 freetoken

Here is a question to as the Republicans:

Is marriage defined one H. sapiens and another H. sapiens only, or can a H. sapiens marry a H. neanderthalensis ?

“But if we’re all basically Homos, shouldn’t we get along?” - Thornton Reed, Darkplace

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gocart mozart  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:56:57am

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:57:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:58:55am

re: #322 freetoken

In a topic that most certainly won’t be breached in the townhalls tonight or tomorrow, an interesting updated on Neanderthal - modern human interbreeding:

As covered by Zimmer in the NYT:

Ancient Humans May Have Left a Genetic Mark on Neanderthals

The paper in Nature:

Ancient gene flow from early modern humans into Eastern Neanderthals

Slowly, through DNA to a great extent, we are untangling our ancestry of the last 100,000 years or so. It appears as if some of our ancestors were toodling around SW Asia for several millennia, some of them interbred with Neanderthals, whose children headed off to central Asia… and then a bit later another group of modern humans went into SW Asia and interbred with later Neanderthals both in SW Asia and maybe Europe, and some of their descendants drifted back in Africa… while some other modern humans heading east bred with the Denisovans (who split from the Neanderthals even earlier)…

All of which adds up to a lot of sex happening between different populations of humans.

Someone at these townhalls on CNN ought to ask the Republicans what they think about this sex with other kinds of people.

If it didn’t happen within 6,000 years ago, it’s just more lies from Satan….

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2016 • 10:59:17am

re: #329 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:00:50am

re: #328 Kragar

“But if we’re all basically Homos, shouldn’t we get along?” - Thornton Reed, Darkplace

“We’re All Homos on this Bus”
(with apologies to Firesign Theatre)

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:04:12am

For people that claim that President Obama “ditched us” is completely ridiculous. These are the voters who probably didn’t help out in ‘10 and ‘14. Why it’s hard for some of us to get energy about Sanders.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:06:34am

re: #334 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:06:58am

re: #334 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

For people that claim that President Obama “ditched us” is completely ridiculous. These are the voters who probably didn’t help out in ‘10 and ‘14. Why it’s hard for some of us to get energy about Sanders.

Because Obama didn’t beat McConnell into submission. That was always a problem with Obama, being unwilling to use force against Congress.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:07:51am

re: #336 Belafon

Because Obama didn’t beat McConnell into submission. That was always a problem with Obama, being unwilling to use force against Congress.

He shoulda just bombed the %!$#/§ out of them…

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:08:14am

re: #330 Kragar

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Yikes! Draft-dodging, boffing under-age girls, hating on Jews, threatening the President, and now this. Other than having an intelligent thought (impossible in Ted’s case) just what does an RWNJ icon have to do to be rejected by the Jesus-loving base?

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Lidane  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:09:27am

SMALL GUBMINT CONSERVATIVE!

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:09:28am

You know companies are getting desperate for ratings when they start running headlines like these:

Donald Trump is now the Republican Party’s establishment-lane candidate

Donald Trump is good for business, if you are in the news business.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:10:25am

Phone just rang and caller ID said “Greenville SC”.
Since MrBWS’s dad is in assisted care living now and little hope for any improvement, and Greenville is somewhat in dad’s area, I picked up the phone even though I didn’t recognize the number.

It was a robo political poll.
Too bad they don’t include “fuck off” and hangup in the final results.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:10:28am

re: #339 Lidane

SMALL GUBMINT CONSERVATIVE!

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I wasn’t sure where I fell on that debate exactly, but I’m glad The Donald opened his fat fucking piehole and removed all doubt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:12:08am

STILL BUTTHURT OVER THE LITTLE BLUE CHECK MARK. SO MUCH BUTTHURTS.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:13:03am

re: #334 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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For people that claim that President Obama “ditched us” is completely ridiculous. These are the voters who probably didn’t help out in ‘10 and ‘14. Why it’s hard for some of us to get energy about Sanders.

They ditched him when he didn’t put Bush and Cheney on trial. I have no respect for them at all because they have no appreciation or understanding for how difficult it actually is to run a country. And if Bernie were to be elected, they’d turn on him too.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:14:10am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

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There was a lot of begat’n going on

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:14:39am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

They ditched him when he didn’t put Bush and Cheney on trial. I have no respect for them at all because they have no appreciation or understanding for how difficult it actually is to run a country. And if Bernie were to be elected, they’d turn on him too.

Thank you for nailing it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:15:03am

re: #290 freetoken

Lots of polls out today… bottom line is that Trump still leads by a comfortable margin in both SC and national popularity.

However, it does appear as if Rubio is pushing Cruz for the #2 choice in SC.

If Jeb? finishes a distant fourth in SC I can’t see how he stays in the race. So hopefully the one poll showing him in a near three way tie with Cruz and Rubio is right.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:18:36am

re: #269 Lidane

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So it’s gods hitmen that use pillow cases.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:19:25am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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indeed…

With Kentucky turning Republican, it will be a cold day in Hell before sexual orientation or gender identity are protected from discrimination by state law.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:20:08am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

They ditched him when he didn’t put Bush and Cheney on trial. I have no respect for them at all because they have no appreciation or understanding for how difficult it actually is to run a country. And if Bernie were to be elected, they’d turn on him too.

This revolution that they want isn’t just about the primaries and Election Day in November. It is something that must be continual. It matters in 2018 in the midterms. Us KY Lizards know that it matters in the off-years and when the State and local races occur. This is bigger than Bernie(or Hillary)

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:20:37am
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Bubblehead II  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:20:50am

re: #342 Testy Toad T

I wasn’t sure where I fell on that debate exactly, but I’m glad The Donald opened his fat fucking piehole and removed all doubt.

Didn’t need tRumps input to be against forcing Apple to break the encryption of their Iphones. As I stated earlier in my page post it is also a known fact that law enforcement has a long history of abusing the privacy rights of Americans and any software developed by Apple to break the security of their product would be abused sooner rather than later.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:20:51am

re: #350 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

This revolution that they want isn’t just about the primaries and Election Day in November. It is something that must be continual. It matters in 2018 in the midterms. Us KY Lizards know that it matters in the off-years and when the State and local races occur. This is bigger than Bernie(or Hillary)

Nailed it.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2016 • 11:42:45am

re: #336 Belafon

Because Obama didn’t beat McConnell into submission. That was always a problem with Obama, being unwilling to use force against Congress.

He certainly could have (should have) on day one told Joe Lieberman “we’re going to start considering you a Republican. If it walks like a duck…” and replaced him as committee chair.


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