Trump Indulges Scalia Conspiracy Theory on Mike Gallagher's Show

Trump Indulges Scalia Conspiracy Theory on Mike Gallagher’s Show

“Wow….that’s big stuff”

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Donald Trump appeared on Mike Gallagher’s radio show February 16th, and just as he did on Michael Savage’s Show, he indulged in deeply stupid conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Antonin Scalia. Gallagher is a well documented idiot, so it’s no surprise he would take these Scalia theories seriously, but Trump is running for President of the United States as a Republican, and he’s smart enough to know what he has to do to win over the GOP base, and he’s doing it very well.

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Charles Johnson Feb 17, 2016 • 12:27:25pm

I think my favorite part of this is when Gallagher says, “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I don’t think you are either.”

LOL!

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 4:30:10pm

Because that’s what he does.

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 4:32:02pm

I think the most surprising thing is that Mike Gallagher still has a show. Apparently RWNJs will listen to anything.

De Kolta Chair Feb 17, 2016 • 4:36:59pm

Mr. Big Stuff or just plain stuffed? Perhaps Miss Jean Knight can explain…

Jean Knight - Mr Big Stuff

japa21 Feb 17, 2016 • 4:39:58pm

Of course this plays to the base. This is the same base that still thinks Hillary either killed Vince Foster or had him killed.

They eat this stuff up like my late beagle ate up kibbles.

And of course, Trump uses weasel language to avoid any outright accusation of the President.

KGxvi Feb 17, 2016 • 4:41:06pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I think my favorite part of this is when Gallagher says, “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I don’t think you are either.”

LOL!

Apparently birtherism ≠conspiracy theories. Good to know.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 4:42:06pm

Does Donald Trump Have A Ceiling?

In this week’s politics Slack chat, we get aboard the Donald Trump train and find it … luxurious.

Who says wonks don’t have a sense of humor?

natesilver: We know he has a high floor. He’s proven it with votes. But he may also have a low-ish ceiling. In that sense, Trump’s “momentum” may matter less than it would for another candidate. It’s certainly not true that 100 percent of Jeb Bush’s votes, for instance, would go to Rubio. Trump would get some. But there’s been a lot of evidence from the start that Trump does underwhelmingly as a second choice.

But this is also why it was a good sign for Trump that he got 35 percent of the vote in New Hampshire instead of the 24 percent he got in Iowa. If you’re at 35 percent — well, you don’t need that much more to go from a plurality to an outright majority. At 24 percent, it’s much tougher.

Despite today’s national NBC poll, the South Carolina polls still show Trump with a large lead.

The wonks argue that momentum isn’t so important for Trump, and I guess that might be true.

Still, Trump will want to win South Carolina YUUUUUUUGE.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 4:42:30pm

An amateur ghost hunter is leading on Jeopardy! right now.

Shoot me.

KGxvi Feb 17, 2016 • 4:44:19pm

re: #7 freetoken

I’d guess Trump’s ceiling, nationally, among Republicans is probably somewhere in the 40-45% range. In the general it’s probably about the same, nationally, though I think he’d end up being much closer to his floor… something like 27%

Targetpractice Feb 17, 2016 • 4:45:14pm

re: #8 WhatEVs

An amateur ghost hunter is leading on Jeopardy! right now.

Shoot me.

It’s the end of the world, isn’t it? The Mayans were only off by 4 years. Trump wins in November, then the world kills itself in December out of sheer embarrassment.

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 4:45:53pm

Let’s hear it again for Florida!

Florida Man Pretty Sure Constitution Lets Him Shoot Anyone He Wants By Accident

Florida is very, very proud of its wonderful gun laws, which in addition to the always-delightful “Stand Your Ground” legislation that allows citizens to defend themselves against scary blacks in hoodies, also include another law that not only allows gun owners to fire weapons on private property any damn time they feel like it, but also prohibits municipal governments from placing restrictions on such backyard gun ranges. The only limit the state law places on backyard shooting ranges is that you can’t fire your boomstick “recklessly or negligently” on your own land, although even that limitation seems to offer plenty of leeway, because as everyone knows, Americans need guns to keep ourselves safe from all the dangers to ourselves and our Liberty.

wonkette.com

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 4:47:37pm

That picture of Trump reminds me of another fellow who ditched his wives frequently, though a bit more…forcefully.

I’m ‘Enery the Eighth, I am! ‘Enery the Eighth, I am, I am!

stpaulbear Feb 17, 2016 • 4:51:54pm

I met my first Trump supporter at work today. She likes Trump because he’s not a whimp like Obama on foreign policy & because she doesn’t like all of her tax money going to undeserving people. She agreed with me that Hillary was tough and experienced, but then added ’ but Trump is a businessman!’

I told her about Trump infering that Scalia was murdered and she just laughed about it. She joked about wearing her Trump button to work and I let her know that if she did that I’d wear my ‘Friends don’t let friends vote Republican’ button. Her husband (who works with her) got a big laugh about that. He may not share her views. I sure don’t.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 4:52:23pm

The “townhall” starts shortly:

go.cnn.com

Really it’s just a way for CNN to get some extra dollars from their advertisers.

Stanley Sea Feb 17, 2016 • 4:53:54pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Let’s hear it again for Florida!

Florida Man Pretty Sure Constitution Lets Him Shoot Anyone He Wants By Accident

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wonkette.com

That gun found & accidentally fired at a FL elementary school today? Dropped by a parent! CCW holder, too. Oopsies! https://t.co/H6QrMBE3Ea

— David Waldman (@KagroX) February 18, 2016

Stanley Sea Feb 17, 2016 • 4:54:54pm

This is a good one

So: will @realDonaldTrump insult Nikki Haley himself, or will he just RT some slack-jawed, mouth-breathing white nationalist who’ll do it?
— Moe Lane (@moelane) February 17, 2016

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 4:55:42pm

I’ve been seeing one comment about Hillary Clinton for years and it really does color her run for office. In the last thread a few minutes ago Freetoken commented:

Shorter me: I suspect the “Clinton” brand is more damaged than the Democratic party machine would like to admit.

I ran into the very standard comment about Hillary at another forum earlier. A car forum of all places. But it is telling and it really hit me. One poster said Trump will kill Hillary due to all that baggage she drags around. She doesn’t stand a chance.

So with that in mind I responded to Freetoken with:

25+ years of getting hammered by everyone will do that to you.

It may sound crazy, but that is one of the traits I do like about her. She keeps coming back for more. She is strong and she can take it. I find that admirable.

And, I wonder how people would see Bernie if they had to hear about every negative thing about him according to RWNJ thinking created by Rush Limbaugh and the gang for the same 25 years? They are going to get a sampler taste of it as this all goes on…and if Bernie gets the nomination they will get the full meal of commie this, commie that, dreamer, crazy, Jewish and you know about them.

But nothing like ‘baggage’ as first definition of character and usually said by people that know nothing in depth about that baggage other than they are just sick of hearing it. And by being sick of hearing about it makes them sick of Hillary.

Thems the facts as far as I can tell…and I am sticking to ‘em.

Do you think just hearing too much about Hillary all these years is detrimental and figures in why Bernie is doing well? Can she overcome it?

De Kolta Chair Feb 17, 2016 • 4:56:19pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

That picture of Trump reminds me of another fellow who ditched his wives frequently, though a bit more…forcefully.

As a kid, I was really into Herman’s Hermits, and then the Hollies showed up on the radio with this Graham Gouldman-penned masterpiece. And that was that. Though neither delivered a punch nowhere near the Dave Clark Five.

The Hollies “Look Through Any Window”

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 4:56:29pm

TeamCNNPolitics
Moderator12 minutes ago
Tonight’s order
The order of candidates tonight will be Ben Carson, then Marco Rubio and finally Ted Cruz.

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 4:57:24pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

This is a good one

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Trump lover Ann Coulter already said that Trump should have her deported.

The Vicious Babushka Feb 17, 2016 • 4:57:49pm

Fucking idiot in my mentions==>

@GoodloveRev @viciousbabushka @palmerskiss and if you research anything, truth about the Civil War was ECONOMICS. Slavery was part, not all

— Rebels Angels (@RebelsAngel4) February 18, 2016

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 5:00:04pm

re: #19 freetoken

That’s wise of them because we all know there’s no way Ben could stay awake if he came on last.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:12pm

re: #8 WhatEVs

An amateur ghost hunter is leading on Jeopardy! right now.

Shoot me.

She came in third in Final Jeopardy.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:20pm

For those interested in the Apple phone FBI back’n’forth. I don’t think this has been posted, but pardon if it is now old news.

Apple - A Message to Our Customers

Pretty strong letter. This one is worthy of a lot of thought. Modern problems.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:34pm

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Fucking idiot in my mentions==>

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Right - the economics of slavery, i.e. they didn’t want to pay for labor, so they justified enslaving an entire race. They they went to war to preserve and expand their economic advantage of race based wage theft.

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:38pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Let’s hear it again for Florida!

Florida Man Pretty Sure Constitution Lets Him Shoot Anyone He Wants By Accident

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wonkette.com

Seems to be a nature reserve for idiots—note the old codger riding a cycle w/o helmet, pants, and in flip-flops. Nice old Honda 305, though.

Big Beautiful Door Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:48pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I’d guess Trump’s ceiling, nationally, among Republicans is probably somewhere in the 40-45% range. In the general it’s probably about the same, nationally, though I think he’d end up being much closer to his floor… something like 27%

The Republicans will rally to their standard bearer; I expect him to poll 47% in the general, like most GOP candidates.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:01:59pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I’d guess Trump’s ceiling, nationally, among Republicans is probably somewhere in the 40-45% range. In the general it’s probably about the same, nationally, though I think he’d end up being much closer to his floor… something like 27%

But he’d pick up the celebrity lovers.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:02:10pm

re: #8 WhatEVs

An amateur ghost hunter is leading on Jeopardy! right now.

Shoot me.

Only hunts amateur ghosts?

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:02:15pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Well, I won’t be able to watch it because I don’t pay Cox for television.

stpaulbear Feb 17, 2016 • 5:02:52pm

re: #18 De Kolta Chair

As a kid, I was into Herman’s Hermits, and then the Hollies turned up on the radio with this Graham Gouldman-penned masterpiece. And that was that.

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Video

I’m a big Hollies fan, especially the atypical Romany album. I burned a CD of Hollies songs for my sister, and my niece later referred to Look Through Any Window as ‘that stalker song’.

The Vicious Babushka Feb 17, 2016 • 5:03:31pm

“Torture works,” @realDonaldTrump says: https://t.co/jVqrPFbHba pic.twitter.com/R9go0fvlGW

— CBSN (@CBSNLive) February 18, 2016

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:04:01pm

CNN actually published a tweet that explains exactly that this is all about ratings, with the following link:

us11.campaign-archive1.com

Big Beautiful Door Feb 17, 2016 • 5:05:00pm

re: #17 ObserverArt

I’ve been seeing one comment about Hillary Clinton for years and it really does color her run for office. In the last thread a few minutes ago Freetoken commented:

I ran into the very standard comment about Hillary at another forum earlier. A car forum of all places. But it is telling and it really hit me. One poster said Trump will kill Hillary due to all that baggage she drags around. She doesn’t stand a chance.

So with that in mind I responded to Freetoken with:

Do you think just hearing too much about Hillary all these years is detrimental and figures in why Bernie is doing well? Can she overcome it?

I think she can.

Reckless Disregard Feb 17, 2016 • 5:05:23pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

The professional ghost hunters don’t have time. I mean there are like a billion ghosts, right?

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:05:42pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

Also worth reading:

Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:05:47pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

I think Apple can take their strongly worded letter, roll it up really tight and cram it. When the authorities are acting on a duly issued search warrant, you don’t have the right to keep your garage locked because other people have secrets in their garages. Maybe Apple and the other manufacturers are going to have to rethink the limits of the services (and privacy) they offer their customers.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:07:26pm

re: #18 De Kolta Chair

As a kid, I was into Herman’s Hermits, and then the Hollies turned up on the radio with this Graham Gouldman-penned masterpiece. And that was that.

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One of the best ‘pop’ rock bands ever and their harmonies were fantastic.

Graham Gouldman as far as a hit writer, one of the best. “Bustop.” “For Your Love.” “Heart full of Soul.” Everything written by 10cc.

I wonder what his royalty checks are like?

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:07:39pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

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Trump has vowed to say something stupider each day until he finds the limits of TPGOP
credulity.

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 5:07:45pm

re: #30 freetoken

Well, I won’t be able to watch it because I don’t pay Cox for television.

No one’s going to watch the Morning Joke reach around with Trump tonight?

Aunty Entity Dragon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:08:33pm

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Apple does not actually have a “backdoor” key on the new phone software, so the feds are demanding that Apple develop one. Not sure this has been done before.

Also, Apple is correct to note that somebody will abuse it sooner rather than later

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:09:10pm

re: #34 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t know if Hillary can overcome the baggage or not.

On the one hand, pundits will say name recognition is the most important. See Trump for example.

OTOH, the Clintons have been attacked, not for years but for decades now, and I wonder what that does to the psyche of the voter out there.

I suspect there are Clinton supporters who wince at the notion, but a non-trivial fraction of the American population do not respond positively to the “Clinton” brand.

Yes, I’m sure you will find many Hillary supporters. She will get millions of votes. I fully expect her to beat Bernie.

But that is because Bernie is no Barack Obama, not because Hillary is so greatly improved over what she was 8 years ago.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:09:31pm

re: #39 Decatur Deb

Trump has vowed to say something stupider each day until he finds the limits of TPGOP
credulity.

The Daily Beast really kicked him in the ass over his statements about losing hundreds of friends on 9/11 and donating millions of dollars.

thedailybeast.com

De Kolta Chair Feb 17, 2016 • 5:09:34pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

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Stanley Sea Feb 17, 2016 • 5:10:04pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

For those interested in the Apple phone FBI back’n’forth. I don’t think this has been posted, but pardon if it is now old news.

Apple - A Message to Our Customers

Pretty strong letter. This one is worthy of a lot of thought. Modern problems.

Best new job: FBI encryption expert. Otherwise, tough shit.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:10:34pm

re: #41 Aunty Entity Dragon

That’s why I say that people should be more realistic about their expectations of online security.

Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:11:03pm

re: #17 ObserverArt

I’ve been seeing one comment about Hillary Clinton for years and it really does color her run for office. In the last thread a few minutes ago Freetoken commented:

I ran into the very standard comment about Hillary at another forum earlier. A car forum of all places. But it is telling and it really hit me. One poster said Trump will kill Hillary due to all that baggage she drags around. She doesn’t stand a chance.

So with that in mind I responded to Freetoken with:

Do you think just hearing too much about Hillary all these years is detrimental and figures in why Bernie is doing well? Can she overcome it?

Let’s talk about damaged brands.
Clinton - In first place.
Bush - has/had the backing of the establishment and couldn’t get out of reverse.

There are plenty of people that have a pretty good view of the Clintons. Sanders is enjoying the benefits of not belonging to an organized party, but instead being a part of the Democrats. No one was ever going to get anointed. Had he not joined, we’d all be talking about O’Malley. Could Sanders win? Possibly, but I just don’t see it happening.

Looking back over the presidents, America doesn’t actually have a problem with electing relatives. I think she loses a little support being a woman that she wouldn’t if she were a man, but she’ll gain some of that back being the first woman.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:12:07pm

re: #30 freetoken

Well, I won’t be able to watch it because I don’t pay Cox for television.

You watching Mika and Joke do their thing with TRUMP?

I was watching Ohio Johnny show-long interview with Chris Matthews and as soon as I heard Mika and Joke coming up I couldn’t dig out the channel changer fast enough.

After the day I’ve had, I do not need to hear Trump. I might just lose it. No need to do that.

Him. Maybe I need some Bernie. I’m not feelin’ it with banks these days.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:12:45pm

re: #48 ObserverArt

CNN rarely opens up its live stream to everyone.

Aunty Entity Dragon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:13:01pm

re: #46 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

That’s why I say that people should be more realistic about their expectations of online security.

The FBI has a long, long history of abusing civil rights in this country and engaging in illegal and unconstitutional spying on progressive groups and dissidents.

If Apple were to develop a key, i would rather they kept exclusive control of it and turn over whatever files they find similar to other requests they get.

Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:14:50pm

re: #41 Aunty Entity Dragon

Apple does not actually have a “backdoor” key on the new phone software, so the feds are demanding that Apple develop one. Not sure this has been done before.

Also, Apple is correct to note that somebody will abuse it sooner rather than later

It looks to me like the FBI would setting for apple turning off the “10 incorrects and we nuke everything feature.”

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:14:52pm

re: #50 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m fine with that, but I’m not fine with refusing a court order because it would be bad for business.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:14:54pm

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think Apple can take their strongly worded letter, roll it up really tight and cram it. When the authorities are acting on a duly issued search warrant, you don’t have the right to keep your garage locked because other people have secrets in their garages. Maybe Apple and the other manufacturers are going to have to rethink the limits of the services (and privacy) they offer their customers.

I admire your gusto on this. I still need to get my head around a whole lot of the issues with the digital world. My own issues with a online scam added to online banking have me thinking about it a lot.

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:15:07pm

re: #42 freetoken

I don’t know if Hillary can overcome the baggage or not.

On the one hand, pundits will say name recognition is the most important. See Trump for example.

OTOH, the Clintons have been attacked, not for years but for decades now, and I wonder what that does to the psyche of the voter out there.

I suspect there are Clinton supporters who wince at the notion, but a non-trivial fraction of the American population do not respond positively to the “Clinton” brand.

Yes, I’m sure you will find many Hillary supporters. She will get millions of votes. I fully expect her to beat Bernie.

But that is because Bernie is no Barack Obama, not because Hillary is so greatly improved over what she was 8 years ago.

HRC has added Secretary of State to her vida since 2008. That’s a substantial improvement.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:15:53pm

re: #50 Aunty Entity Dragon

The FBI has a long, long history of abusing civil rights in this country and engaging in illegal and unconstitutional spying on progressive groups and dissidents.

If Apple were to develop a key, i would rather they kept exclusive control of it and turn over whatever files they find similar to other requests they get.

If a key or backdoor exists, someone unauthorized will find it. Exclusive control is not really possible.

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:16:27pm

re: #51 Belafon

It looks to me like the FBI would setting for apple turning off the “10 incorrects and we nuke everything feature.”

Do iPhones brick after 10 failed password attempts? I’d never buy one.

HappyWarrior Feb 17, 2016 • 5:17:25pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

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You can tell he’s got complete imbeciles running his national security team when he says that.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:17:46pm

re: #46 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

That’s why I say that people should be more realistic about their expectations of online security.

I’m no dummy. But I sure feel like one the last two weeks.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:18:15pm

re: #50 Aunty Entity Dragon

The FBI has a long, long history of abusing civil rights in this country and engaging in illegal and unconstitutional spying on progressive groups and dissidents.

If Apple were to develop a key, i would rather they kept exclusive control of it and turn over whatever files they find similar to other requests they get.

I guess I don’t believe private companies to be any more or less accountable than the government.

Although I absolutely believe in their willingness to compromise whatever principles they supposedly hold in pursuit of more “value” for their shareholders. So I guess there’s that.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:18:22pm

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think Apple can take their strongly worded letter, roll it up really tight and cram it. When the authorities are acting on a duly issued search warrant, you don’t have the right to keep your garage locked because other people have secrets in their garages. Maybe Apple and the other manufacturers are going to have to rethink the limits of the services (and privacy) they offer their customers.

This isn’t about responding to a warrant. It’s about giving the FBI a key to access any iPhone, anywhere, any time. Big difference.

William Lewis Feb 17, 2016 • 5:18:32pm

re: #37 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Don’t complain when Joe hacker later empties your bank account with that same backdoor.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:18:42pm

I wonder if there is some trolling going on. For example, maybe the authorities want you to think your phone is totally secure and sure, go ahead and keep on using it. On the other hand, maybe the authorities can crack the phone anyway, and maybe you should be trying to use tricky email codes instead. Hmmm

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:19:16pm

re: #41 Aunty Entity Dragon

Apple does not actually have a “backdoor” key on the new phone software, so the feds are demanding that Apple develop one. Not sure this has been done before.

Also, Apple is correct to note that somebody will abuse it sooner rather than later

Damn tootin someone will. Then all everybody’s info is up for grabs.

lawhawk Feb 17, 2016 • 5:19:22pm

So, now there’s nit twits posting amok about how Obama will be going to Cuba and visiting Castro, but wont attend Scalia’s funeral.

These are the same people who wouldn’t respect Obama if he did attend Scalia’s funeral.

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:19:25pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

You can tell he’s got complete imbeciles running his national security team when he says that.

You’re assuming he even asked them, or cares what they think. It would be instructive to bet Donald Trump that you could get him to confess to killing JFK if he were waterboarded. Bet him $1 Billion.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:19:29pm

Doctor Ben..

Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:20:04pm

re: #60 WhatEVs

This isn’t about responding to a warrant. It’s about giving the FBI a key to access any iPhone, anywhere, any time. Big difference.

Actually, in this case, it’s specifically about Apple refusing to comply with a judges order to make the information on the iPhone of the San Bernardino shooter available to the FBI.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:20:33pm

Ben dumps on the “Press” right away…

De Kolta Chair Feb 17, 2016 • 5:20:46pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

One of the best ‘pop’ rock bands ever and their harmonies were fantastic.

Graham Gouldman as far as a hit writer, one of the best. “Bustop.” “For Your Love.” “Heart full of Soul.” Everything written by 10cc.

I wonder what his royalty checks are like?

No doubt he’s rich as Croesus, and deservedly so, and he’s still going strong. I have a bootleg of him (available on the Googletron 3000) on tour last year that is solid gold. On it, he did something really cool: the first song he played solo, and on each succeeding song he added another instrumentalist. Needless to say, with so many hits and great tunes, by the end of the show the stage must’ve been quite cramped. ;-)

Graham Gouldman - Bus Stop

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:21:06pm

re: #47 Belafon

Let’s talk about damaged brands.
Clinton - In first place.
Bush - has/had the backing of the establishment and couldn’t get out of reverse.

There are plenty of people that have a pretty good view of the Clintons. Sanders is enjoying the benefits of not belonging to an organized party, but instead being a part of the Democrats. No one was ever going to get anointed. Had he not joined, we’d all be talking about O’Malley. Could Sanders win? Possibly, but I just don’t see it happening.

Looking back over the presidents, America doesn’t actually have a problem with electing relatives. I think she loses a little support being a woman that she wouldn’t if she were a man, but she’ll gain some of that back being the first woman.

Great response BeachDem.

I am just kicking around the stuff you hear all the time about Hillary. I wonder how her numbers would actually be compared to Bernie if she didn’t have all the perception of baggage to those that cite that as their reason for not liking her.

I have a feeling she would be much higher in the polling numbers.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:21:16pm

Anderson asks about Apple…

Ben uses it as a launching pad about people not trusting the govt…

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:21:20pm

re: #50 Aunty Entity Dragon

The FBI has a long, long history of abusing civil rights in this country and engaging in illegal and unconstitutional spying on progressive groups and dissidents.

If Apple were to develop a key, i would rather they kept exclusive control of it and turn over whatever files they find similar to other requests they get.

Exactly. Let the Feds give the warrant to Apple and let them get the info from Apple’s engineers.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:21:27pm

RADICAL JIHADISTS…

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:21:34pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

Pssst, that was Belafon. >.>

Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:00pm

re: #67 Belafon

Actually, in this case, it’s specifically about Apple refusing to comply with a judges order to make the information on the iPhone of the San Bernardino shooter available to the FBI.

This presumes Apple can do it without developing anything new, i.e. that they have the tools in hand right now and are refusing to use them. Apple says they don’t have those tools and are being ordered to develop them.

lawhawk Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:00pm

NEW: Pres. Obama to go to Cuba within the next month, sources tell @ABC News. pic.twitter.com/umf1j0mhFb

— Good Morning America (@GMA) February 18, 2016

Mind you, these kinds of things take months to set up; they’re not done on the spur of the moment, and was set in motion well before Scalia passed away.

For RWNJs, of course, everything is a conspiracy these days. Including history and facts.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:05pm

re: #49 freetoken

CNN rarely opens up its live stream to everyone.

MSNBC. Morning Joe.

SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN Feb 17, 2016 • 5:22:52pm

re: #60 WhatEVs

Actually it is about responding to a court order. If that is different from a warrant, I don’t know what to say. Apple is refusing because it’s bad for Apple.
As far as I am concerned, online shit is never secure, so I choose what I do online with care, but I am small potatoes (potatos?)
Anyway, gotta run Sorry to start something a leave.

Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:23:01pm

re: #72 WhatEVs

Exactly. Let the Feds give the warrant to Apple and let them get the info from Apple’s engineers.

You ought to read about this case. They have an order, from a judge: nytimes.com

HappyWarrior Feb 17, 2016 • 5:23:12pm

re: #76 lawhawk

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Cue Rubio , Cruz, and other heads explode but I’ll point out that American presidents visited the USSR.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:23:29pm

… we have overreaching…

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:24:13pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Do iPhones brick after 10 failed password attempts? I’d never buy one.

They don’t brick (unless you set the current date to 1/1/1970…don’t do it, there’s no fix), but you can set it to allow X number of failed password attempts to wipe all data. It’s an option to wipe data.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:24:27pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

This presumes Apple can do it without developing anything new, i.e. that they have the tools in hand right now and are refusing to use them. Apple says they don’t have those tools and are being ordered to develop them.

And the reality is, none of us have enough facts in hand to know the answer either way, but it’s sure gotten the dudebros riled up.

It’s a sticky case with points on both sides, and this is why judges get paid a lot and I don’t, and the lack of facts is exactly why I’m not going to go on a social media crusade one way or another.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:24:36pm

… quotes Bible…

Skip Intro Feb 17, 2016 • 5:24:37pm

Why don’t they ever ask Ben about the grain in the pyramids? That’s a topic he could really get excited about.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:25:01pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

I’m no dummy. But I sure feel like one the last two weeks.

What happened (not meaning to pry)?

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:25:34pm

I will say, the wind here today has been really wonderful. It’s like real weather!

(Even some rain! For like 30 seconds!)

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:25:58pm

re: #82 WhatEVs

They don’t brick (unless you set the current date to 1/1/1970…don’t do it, there’s no fix), but you can set it to allow X number of failed password attempts to wipe all data. It’s an option to wipe data.

They’re not going to sell many of those down at the home.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:26:00pm

“Woodrow Wilson”…

Snarknado! Feb 17, 2016 • 5:26:28pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Do iPhones brick after 10 failed password attempts? I’d never buy one.

Uncertain. Apparently at least some of them change from allowing 10 password attempts per minute to one every 10 minutes or one an hour. (I wouldn’t buy the brick model either.)

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:26:56pm

re: #67 Belafon

Actually, in this case, it’s specifically about Apple refusing to comply with a judges order to make the information on the iPhone of the San Bernardino shooter available to the FBI.

If it is it’s not what Tim Cook specifically stated in that letter.

ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:26:57pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re assuming he even asked them, or cares what they think. It would be instructive to bet Donald Trump that you could get him to confess to killing JFK if he were waterboarded. Bet him $1 Billion.

Now that would be must watch reality TV.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:27:22pm

“look at all the out of wedlock births”…

Stanley Sea Feb 17, 2016 • 5:27:41pm

re: #64 lawhawk

So, now there’s nit twits posting amok about how Obama will be going to Cuba and visiting Castro, but wont attend Scalia’s funeral.

These are the same people who wouldn’t respect Obama if he did attend Scalia’s funeral.

Is he really? If so, completely awesome.

Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:27:41pm

re: #87 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will say, the wind here today has been really wonderful. It’s like real weather!

(Even some rain! For like 30 seconds!)

Horticultural Spring started here today. (That is, I took the cover off the hoophouse. No temps below 40 for the foreseeable.)

klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:28:46pm

re: #91 WhatEVs

If it is it’s not what Tim Cook specifically stated in that letter.

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that letter is PR and should be taken as such, not as gospel on this case.

freetoken Feb 17, 2016 • 5:29:00pm

So far the two questions from the audience have been pretty lame.

MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:29:32pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

This presumes Apple can do it without developing anything new, i.e. that they have the tools in hand right now and are refusing to use them. Apple says they don’t have those tools and are being ordered to develop them.

Not just develop them but then give it to the FBI. I’m totally against that. Apple has a vested interest in keeping its IP from getting out. If the FBI possesses it, a Snowden could get it.

Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:30:29pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

This presumes Apple can do it without developing anything new, i.e. that they have the tools in hand right now and are refusing to use them. Apple says they don’t have those tools and are being ordered to develop them.

Having had to do some pretty weird work arounds in my time as a software engineer, Apple can either think about it or give the FBI the information on how their system works (which, I believe is the answer no one wants, since we want to leave it in the company’s hands).

I’m sorry, but when a judge says “you must do this” either file a challenge or comply. You’re in the US. It’s part of the process for being a citizen or a company in the US. And unlike the NSA, the FBI is asking to bypass security on this one phone. Not every phone. Of course someone could exploit it. Someone could already be exploiting it. Someone could also break into your house.

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ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:30:32pm

re: #69 De Kolta Chair

No doubt he’s rich as Croesus, and deservedly so, and he’s still going strong. I have a bootleg of him (available on the Googletron 3000) on tour last year that is solid gold. On it, he did something really cool: the first song he played solo, and on each succeeding song he added another instrument/singer. ;-)

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Video

Wow, thanks for that.

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Stanley Sea Feb 17, 2016 • 5:31:04pm

Is the Trump thing on now? Or a regular GOP debate?

MSNBC - Trump
the other thing, all but Trump?

tres confused.

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HappyWarrior Feb 17, 2016 • 5:31:11pm

I’m sure there will be alot of freaking out from people about Obama visiting Cuba but here’s the thing. We had an Ambassador in Nazi Germany until 1938, we had a diplomatic presence in Moscow for nearly the entireity of the USSR’s existence, and we’ve had one in Beijing and it was a Republican president who started that. I get that Cuba is a personal subject for guys like Cruz, Rubio, and others but at the same time I’ve always resented them and the leaders of the Cuban exile community acting like they were the only ones impacted by a dictatorship.

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:31:50pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Actually it is about responding to a court order. If that is different from a warrant, I don’t know what to say. Apple is refusing because it’s bad for Apple.
As far as I am concerned, online shit is never secure, so I choose what I do online with care, but I am small potatoes (potatos?)
Anyway, gotta run Sorry to start something a leave.

We’re not talking about “online shit” we’re talking about what inhouse shit is on your personal property.

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ObserverArt Feb 17, 2016 • 5:32:23pm

re: #74 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Pssst, that was Belafon. >.>

Thanks. My mistake.

You know…I need to chill. It’s been a tough day, again.

Later all.

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De Kolta Chair Feb 17, 2016 • 5:32:54pm

re: #89 freetoken

“Woodrow Wilson”…

ROBERT BYRD!!11!!

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:33:16pm

re: #79 Belafon

You ought to read about this case. They have an order, from a judge: nytimes.com

Yes, for this case. But there’s the larger issue of what the FBI wants from Apple and that’s an encryption key to open any iPhone anywhere at any time.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:33:58pm

It seems to me that Apple doesn’t own that phone, and doesn’t own the information in it. It sounds like the Government is trying to compel Apple to do work for it at Apple’s expense, and to the detriment of Apple’s ‘Brand’, and potentially to the detriment of millions of Apple customers.

I’m not sure what power the government has to compel work from a third party, and I’m not sure how comfortable I am if it has that power.

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Belafon Feb 17, 2016 • 5:34:37pm

And I really, really don’t mind if Apple does it themselves. I prefer it. The FBI would have to get a warrant to get GM to remotely unlock your car. But when a judge authorizes it, it’s a bit beyond cops randomly looking for stuff.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:34:53pm

re: #99 Belafon

mr. klys has done software security stuff in the past.

Let’s just say he is very particular with what is online.

I choose to make some conscious decisions regarding what I have out there and what is not, trading between risk and convenience.

An excellent default assumption is that anything can be broken. If it’s private - really, truly private - don’t put it on a computer of any sort.

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Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:35:50pm

re: #96 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that letter is PR and should be taken as such, not as gospel on this case.

If there were a serious effort to pass a law banning the production of terrorist/druglord-friendly phones, Apple might discover a way to compromise.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:36:28pm

re: #103 WhatEVs

We’re not talking about “online shit” we’re talking about what inhouse shit is on your personal property.

The FBI is basically asking a company that makes an uncrackable safe to spend its time and money determining how to crack the safe, so that everyone knows it can be done.

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:38:01pm

re: #108 Belafon

And I really, really don’t mind if Apple does it themselves. I prefer it. The FBI would have to get a warrant to get GM to remotely unlock your car. But when a judge authorizes it, it’s a bit beyond cops randomly looking for stuff.

Agreed, 100%.

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:39:01pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

The FBI is basically asking a company that makes an uncrackable safe to spend its time and money determining how to crack the safe, so that everyone knows it can be done.

That was my take when I read it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:40:10pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems to me that Apple doesn’t own that phone, and doesn’t own the information in it. It sounds like the Government is trying to compel Apple to do work for it at Apple’s expense, and to the detriment of Apple’s ‘Brand’, and potentially to the detriment of millions of Apple customers.

I’m not sure what power the government has to compel work from a third party, and I’m not sure how comfortable I am if it has that power.

Consider it from the flip side: what happens if Apple becomes known as the safe haven for child porn - because they don’t own the phone, or any of the information you put on the phone, they just provide unbreakable security for it?

This is more than slightly devil’s advocate, I admit, but it does point out that we’re all going to have a point where the absolute all or nothing line falls short of the nuances that we’re dealing with in real life.

This request is tied into a terrorism investigation. I don’t believe it likely, but say there was another attack and it turns out information on this phone could have led to stopping it in time. Is Apple liable?

Again, I’m not a judge and this is beyond my pay scale. But there are strong arguments on both sides.

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Targetpractice Feb 17, 2016 • 5:42:46pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

The FBI is basically asking a company that makes an uncrackable safe to spend its time and money determining how to crack the safe, so that everyone knows it can be done.

Well, only partly. What it is is the FBI asking a company that has prided itself on selling safes it deems “uncrackable” to crack one of those safes, and the company screaming it won’t for fear of damaging its brand even though it’s done so 70 times in the past. It seems they’re balking this one time not due to principle, but instead due to the high profile nature of the case and the potential for lost sales due to people worrying that their iPhones will be crackable by the government.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:43:02pm

re: #108 Belafon

And I really, really don’t mind if Apple does it themselves. I prefer it. The FBI would have to get a warrant to get GM to remotely unlock your car. But when a judge authorizes it, it’s a bit beyond cops randomly looking for stuff.

Not really analogous, since GM makes remote unlocking a feature when it sells the car. The Gov’t is simply asking GM to use that feature.

Here, the Gov’t is asking Apple to develop something Apple does not want to exist, which damages Apple’s brand, and potentially damages Apple’s customers.

It’s like the difference between a same sex couple wanting a wedding cake from a place that makes wedding cakes, and somebody wanting a kosher butcher to sell him bacon.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:43:44pm

re: #116 Blind Frog Belly White

Not really analogous, since GM makes remote unlocking a feature when it sells the car. The Gov’t is simply asking GM to use that feature.

Here, the Gov’t is asking Apple to develop something Apple does not want to exist, which damages Apple’s brand, and potentially damages Apple’s customers.

It’s like the difference between a same sex couple wanting a wedding cake from a place that makes wedding cakes, and somebody wanting a kosher butcher to sell him bacon.

…except it turns out the kosher butcher has actually done it 70 or so times before, to the same customer.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:44:37pm

I’ll give Apple credit: their PR department has done an excellent job of turning this into an issue on principle and glossing over the part where they’ve cooperated in the past.

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Targetpractice Feb 17, 2016 • 5:46:25pm

re: #118 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll give Apple credit: their PR department has done an excellent job of turning this into an issue on principle and glossing over the part where they’ve cooperated in the past.

That’s my entire issue with this matter, that while there’s certainly a strong argument to be made in favor of keeping tools out of the government’s hands that could be used to violate the privacy of average Americans…Apple is no position to make that argument or take the moral high ground.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:46:50pm

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Consider it from the flip side: what happens if Apple becomes known as the safe haven for child porn - because they don’t own the phone, or any of the information you put on the phone, they just provide unbreakable security for it?

This is more than slightly devil’s advocate, I admit, but it does point out that we’re all going to have a point where the absolute all or nothing line falls short of the nuances that we’re dealing with in real life.

This request is tied into a terrorism investigation. I don’t believe it likely, but say there was another attack and it turns out information on this phone could have led to stopping it in time. Is Apple liable?

Again, I’m not a judge and this is beyond my pay scale. But there are strong arguments on both sides.

Well, not to go all ‘slippery slope’ on you, but if you insist that every information storage device made must be ‘openable’ so that bad people can’t safely use it, isn’t that saying “If you have nothing to hide, you won’t mind us searching your house”?

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:47:20pm

re: #117 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…except it turns out the kosher butcher has actually done it 70 or so times before, to the same customer.

Ah, but is it really the same thing?

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 5:47:21pm

re: #117 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…except it turns out the kosher butcher has actually done it 70 or so times before, to the same customer.

The difference being the Who who’s doing it. Im good with Apple doing it. Not so much for the FBI whom, if it has the tech to do that, that tech is vulnerable to being stolen.

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Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:48:51pm

I wouldn’t bet 20-to-life that any phone is unbreakable.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:49:29pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, not to go all ‘slippery slope’ on you, but if you insist that every information storage device made must be ‘openable’ so that bad people can’t safely use it, isn’t that saying “If you have nothing to hide, you won’t mind us searching your house”?

We have checks and balances in place to balance the right to privacy with the ability to investigate and prosecute when it turns out a crime has been committed. I don’t feel that those checks and balances should simply disappear because we are dealing with digital storage of data.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:52:41pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but is it really the same thing?

That’s where, like I said earlier in the thread, I don’t think any of us have all the facts in front of us to be able to make this call. Up to and including what model of OS the phone was running, what capabilities Apple actually has internally, etc., etc.

However, there is certainly a pattern of cooperation previously present that heavily undermines their “principle” argument and sure looks to be a lot more like they are worried about their brand and relationship with their customers. They are a business, after all.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:53:27pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but is it really the same thing?

To expand, the article talks about 70 times when Apple helped the Government get the info out of a phone. Is this case really just the same as the others? Or is Apple correct that the Government is asking them - and Cook says this quite specifically - to develop a ‘breakable’ form of its OS and upload it to this particular phone? Have they done THAT 70 times before?

It reminds me of the thing I saw the other day, where the Dems were called hypocritical for complaining about McConnell’s ‘No vote for a SCOTUS nominee in an election year’, because the Dems had, in 1960, passed a ‘Sense Of The Senate’ resolution saying that there should be no RECESS appointment to the SCOTUS in an election year.

The difference is in the details, and I’m not convinced the details of those alleged 70 cases are identical.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 5:54:33pm

re: #125 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s where, like I said earlier in the thread, I don’t think any of us have all the facts in front of us to be able to make this call. Up to and including what model of OS the phone was running, what capabilities Apple actually has internally, etc., etc.

However, there is certainly a pattern of cooperation previously present that heavily undermines their “principle” argument and sure looks to be a lot more like they are worried about their brand and relationship with their customers. They are a business, after all.

I feel like you’re glossing over the details.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Feb 17, 2016 • 5:57:00pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

I feel like you’re glossing over the details.

Kind of ironic to get this as a reply to a post where I laid out some of the facts that we don’t have and why I feel like we can’t make an apples to apples comparison. I’m sorry that the part where I am somewhat skeptical of Tim Cook’s PR statement apparently makes my opinion suspect.

Have a nice evening.

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Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 5:57:08pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand, the article talks about 70 times when Apple helped the Government get the info out of a phone. Is this case really just the same as the others? Or is Apple correct that the Government is asking them - and Cook says this quite specifically - to develop a ‘breakable’ form of its OS and upload it to this particular phone? Have they done THAT 70 times before?

It reminds me of the thing I saw the other day, where the Dems were called hypocritical for complaining about McConnell’s ‘No vote for a SCOTUS nominee in an election year’, because the Dems had, in 1960, passed a ‘Sense Of The Senate’ resolution saying that there should be no RECESS appointment to the SCOTUS in an election year.

The difference is in the details, and I’m not convinced the details of those alleged 70 cases are identical.

Since they are convinced the phone is crackable, the Gov simply doesn’t want to go to the trouble of starting from scratch. If they have to, they should make their solution open source.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 6:02:11pm

re: #128 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Kind of ironic to get this as a reply to a post where I laid out some of the facts that we don’t have and why I feel like we can’t make an apples to apples comparison. I’m sorry that the part where I am somewhat skeptical of Tim Cook’s PR statement apparently makes my opinion suspect.

Have a nice evening.

I didn’t say your opinion is suspect. But there’s a whole ‘nother way of looking at the ‘previous pattern of cooperation’ aspect, which is that since Apple has been cooperative so many times before, it suggests what’s being asked this time is very different from what was asked previously.

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MsJ Feb 17, 2016 • 6:03:32pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Since they are convinced the phone is crackable, the Gov simply doesn’t want to go to the trouble of starting from scratch. If they have to, they should make their solution open source.

At which point Apple no longer has a software product.

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Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 6:11:10pm

re: #131 WhatEVs

At which point Apple no longer has a software product.

It would get their attention.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 6:12:25pm

re: #132 Decatur Deb

It would get their attention.

“Nice democracy you got here. Be a shame is something was to happen to it.”

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Decatur Deb Feb 17, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

“Nice democracy you got here. Be a shame is something was to happen to it.”

Despite the sacred 2nd Amendment, we don’t really let Colt sell M4s to gangbangers.

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Blind Frog Belly White Feb 17, 2016 • 9:32:42pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Despite the sacred 2nd Amendment, we don’t really let Colt sell M4s to gangbangers.

We also don’t sell them with off switches the government or anyone else can turn off at will

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Swift2991 Feb 18, 2016 • 1:20:07pm

re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White

You know how much history you have to ignore to think the Civil War wasn’t about slavery? All of it: the state declarations of Independence, the Confederate constitution, huge chunks of the correspondence of all the principals, plus all the controversies and debates of the preceding 40 years and 100 years after. What you can read? Neo-confederate crap from 1876 on. Klan propaganda. The Daughters of the Confederacy pious bullshit.

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Swift2991 Feb 18, 2016 • 1:49:03pm

The 70 times were from before, when Apple had a copy of the key, and they could give it to the government if they had a warrant. Since the 5s, when TouchID was announced, they never have a key. It is stored in the “Secure Enclave” part of the processor, and only unlocked by a fingerprint (yours) or a passcode. With Apple Pay storing your credit, and a bank account accessible through your fingerprint, also stored in the enclave, the security is necessary. I can see, unlike the bros, the problem with a judge’s warrant not giving access to this information. However, the question of whether a master key could be kept, or alternately, a second key held by Apple which would only be used according to a warrant, I don’t know. As anyone who has enjoyed “jailbreaking” their phones knows, it usually takes a little while for the hacks to appear. And then the Guardian, home of Greenwald and Snowden, wails that when its reporter broke his home button and replaced it in a non-authorized repair, he screwed up and the OS detected an improperly installed button, and it disallowed access— proper security protocol— that wah -hah, Apple bricked my phone! Does privacy on the phone compromise national security or criminal justice? I don’t know. If a second master key could be guaranteed to remain private unless called for by a court of law, yes.

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