The Bob & Chez Show, 2/18/16: “The Almighty Zuckerberg”

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Tonight’s program on our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

The Almighty Zuckerberg: Rare Species of Dolphin Killed by Selfie Seekers; Humans Suck; Trump Gets into a Pissing Match with the Pope; Mika Brzezinski Nails Trump; Facebook Controls the Election and the Internet; Bernie’s Legislative Road Map; New Polls Showing Hillary Victories in March Primaries; Hillary Barked Like a Dog; and much more.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 8:54:43pm

Chuck Todd would be better off just forgoing the comb-forward, embrace his enlarging forehead, and add a full beard. I think he could work the look.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 8:55:16pm

Good…was hoping someone would force this into court since it first hit the news.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2016 • 8:59:17pm

This podcast will do nicely tonight, thanks man!

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:05:40pm

It’s 67F here in Dallas, at 11pm on Feb 18th. Where’s my freakin’ winter?

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:12:29pm

Okay then…

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:15:15pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:20:47pm

From last thread, check @realscientists timeline now to learn about shark sex & whale sex & who knows what next! #sexinthesea

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:24:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:27:26pm

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

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HAAAAAAAA

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electrotek  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:43:41pm
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electrotek  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:44:24pm
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retired cynic  Feb 18, 2016 • 9:48:09pm

re: #11 electrotek

Kudos!

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:06:04pm
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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:16:27pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:19:11pm

The cops held their hands up in the video. That was it. Oh and the NOLA cop car went down in the water.

Weaklings.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:26:43pm

re: #10 electrotek

It should be noted the President of Bosnia, an Alija Izetbegovic, while flawed, was certainly a better man than his opponents.

Though, what the US and Pakistan did to support Bosnians did have serious negative consequences, what choice did we have back then. 2 of the major powers in Europe supported the mass murder of the Bosnian people.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:35:11pm

re: #16 Ziggy_TARDIS

Another of the good Presidents was the President of Macedonia, Kiro Gligorov.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:40:11pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

Boycotting someone who they would never listen to anyways. Yeah. That’ll work.

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electrotek  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:43:32pm

re: #16 Ziggy_TARDIS

It should be noted the President of Bosnia, an Alija Izetbegovic, while flawed, was certainly a better man than his opponents.

Though, what the US and Pakistan did to support Bosnians did have serious negative consequences, what choice did we have back then. 2 of the major powers in Europe supported the mass murder of the Bosnian people.

When the late Christopher Hitchens himself had nothing but positive things to say about Izetbegovic, you know he was a much better man. He himself even stated his opposition to the fatwa of Salman Rushdie in 1993 as well!

IMO the so-called mujahideen did more damage to Bosnia’s cultural heritage than the Serbs could accomplish, but that’s for another topic.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 18, 2016 • 10:57:25pm

re: #19 electrotek

Mitterand and Major had both said that what was happening in Bosnia was “correction.” Kohl of Germany disagreed, but couldn’t get most of Europe behind him. We ended up support black flights of weapons into the nation, ticking off both Norway and the UK.

We ended supporting Pakistan’s and Turkey’s efforts in the war. And supporting Islamist groups directly in some cases.

But, considering how our NATO allies in Europe were acting, we had no choice.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:21:42pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 2:36:25am

re: #2 ausador

Good…was hoping someone would force this into court since it first hit the news.

Hatriots, Niki & Chad Neal, owners of gun range, sued after kicking out a U. S. soldier, citing “Muslim free zone”.

If he wants to change it to a private, members-only gun club, then he can choose who he allows in. That is a basic principle of the Civil Rights Act that seems to be lost on a lot of idiots.

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Kent Dorfman  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:20:08am

Emails show top VW executive new of emission problems of diesel vehicles.

According to the documents reviewed by The Times, a confidant of Mr. Winterkorn wrote to him in May 2014, warning that regulators might accuse the carmaker of using a so-called defeat device — software that recognized when the car was being tested for emissions and activated pollution-control equipment. At other times, the cars produced up to 35 times the allowed amount of nitrogen oxide emissions, which are linked to lung ailments and premature deaths.

It was not until last September, more than a year after the letter of warning to Mr. Winterkorn, that Volkswagen admitted publicly that 11 million diesel vehicles, including about 480,000 Volkswagen cars in the United States, were equipped with defeat devices. The number of cars in the United States has since risen to include about 100,000 Audi and Porsche cars with diesel engines.

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andres  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:30:09am

re: #5 ausador

Okay then…

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That’s, by far, one of the best things God has said in recent years.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:30:10am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Of course it is early in the morning, so there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:31:48am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Of course it is early in the morning, so there will be MOAR STUPIDS

Remember: these people are not just opposed to Planned Parenthood, they are opposed to the idea of planning parenthood through any other means than abstinence before marriage and rhythm method thereafter.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:37:57am

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Of course it is early in the morning, so there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:44:53am

re: #27 Tigger2

My girlfriend in college used to say that the world’s best birth control was other people’s kids…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:45:41am

re: #28 William Lewis

My girlfriend in college used to say that the world’s best birth control was other people’s kids…

French condom commercial: Kids are a pain

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 4:55:07am

re: #28 William Lewis

My girlfriend in college used to say that the world’s best birth control was other people’s kids…

My Soviet-era Russian friends said that the best birth control was the junior associate’s salary of 120 Rubles per month…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:09:43am

Charles had covered this story recently. One of the two Texas Health Officials who published a study favorable to Planned Parenthood is now out of a job. So now we know how Conservatives handle opposing viewpoints.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:12:22am

re: #10 electrotek

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Man that is just ignorant. Serbia was NOT our WWII ally. Yugoslavia was which included Orthodox Serbs, Muslim Bosnians, Catholic Croats/Slovenes, etc. And oh yeah that whole genocide thing that Milosevic was doing but I guess genocide is okay when it’s done to Muslims.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:13:37am

re: #11 electrotek

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No kidding. The Crusaders killed tons of other Christians as well as Jews. In fact, you can easily say the Crusades are why there was a schism between Western Christians and Eastern Christians for so long. Anyone who praises the Crusades or considers them a defensive act is a moron.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:13:50am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Man that is just ignorant. Serbia was NOT our WWII ally. Yugoslavia was which included Orthodox Serbs, Muslim Bosnians, Catholic Croats/Slovenes, etc. And oh yeah that whole genocide thing that Milosevic was doing but I guess genocide is okay when it’s done to Muslims.

Nothing like a selective approach to history, science and theology to support a distorted political ideology…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:14:36am

re: #2 ausador

Good…was hoping someone would force this into court since it first hit the news.

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I did see that. About fucking time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:16:24am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nothing like a selective approach to history, science and theology to support a distorted political ideology…

I wouldn’t even say that’s selective. It’s just ignorant of the history of the region. Man would these people be confused during WWI though since Christian German and Austria-Hungary along side Muslim Ottomans but they were fighting Christian French, British, and Muslim Arabs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:19:30am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t even say that’s selective. It’s just ignorant of the history of the region. Man would these people be confused during WWI though since Christian German and Austria-Hungary along side Muslim Ottomans but they were fighting Christian French, British, and Muslim Arabs.

It’s a cherry-picking approach of taking selected facts or Scriptural quotes and applying them totally out of context to support some preconceived notion.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:25:25am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s a cherry-picking approach of taking selected facts or Scriptural quotes and applying them totally out of context to support some preconceived notion.

True. I guess I was thinking more of that he calls Serbia our WWI ally which is impossible given Serbia did not exist during WWI as an independent state and the Bosnians were more a part of Austro-Hungary hence why the Archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:28:07am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

True. I guess I was thinking more of that he calls Serbia our WWI ally which is impossible given Serbia did not exist during WWI as an independent state and the Bosnians were more a part of Austro-Hungary hence why the Archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo.

Which is just selective ignorance.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:29:49am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Which is just selective ignorance.

It’s a wonder that Yugoslavia lasted as long as it did honestly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:32:07am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

It’s a wonder that Yugoslavia lasted as long as it did honestly.

Tito, and its unique position as a linchpin between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:33:18am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My Soviet-era Russian friends said that the best birth control was the junior associate’s salary of 120 Rubles per month…

In economically advanced states it tends to be education and career paths for women. Of course, we can’t give that to just anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:33:36am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Tito, and its unique position as a linchpin between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

Yeah I’ve read about Tito. Fascinating figure. I’d love to visit Slovenia one day. Dubrovenik always looked beautiful too.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:34:50am

Then Tito brought his Vodka-making skills to Texas….

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:35:43am

Whoa

DRAMATIC VIDEO captures a helicopter with 5 people on board crashing into the Pacific in Pearl Harbor. A 16-year-old boy is critically hurt. Breaking details: http://bit.ly/1oNIYFW

Posted by WFLA News Channel 8 on Thursday, February 18, 2016
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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:35:55am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Tito, and its unique position as a linchpin between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

A resident of Yugoslavia either supported Tito in thought, word, or deed, or they ceased to exist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:36:26am

Here is CCJ’s mentor doing fraud to Bernie people

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:39:09am

re: #46 BeenHereAwhile

A resident of Yugoslavia either supported Tito in thought, word, or deed, or they ceased to exist.

Family lore is that my grandfather’s uncle and cousins were Partisans during the war. Got no way of proving that though. He may have also said Chetniks but doubtful given the Chetniks were overwhelmingly Serbian and Orthodox. I understand completely why the West supported Tito over the Chetniks in WWII after some of the stuff about the Chetniks helping the Italian fascists out came ot light.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:39:58am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

Here is CCJ’s mentor doing fraud to Bernie people

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I liked John Oliver’s take on voting in person fraud that Charles posted the other day. And I see O’Keefe’s still a painfully pathetic dickhead.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:41:01am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I liked John Oliver’s take on voting in person fraud that Charles posted the other day. And I see O’Keefe’s still a painfully pathetic dickhead.

A painfully pathetic dickhead who still hasn’t have a real job. In other words, he’s a conservative commenter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:42:24am

re: #51 Dr. Matt

A painfully pathetic dickhead who still hasn’t have a real job. In other words, he’s a conservative commenter.

Wingut welfare my friend. Pays the bills but not the dignity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:44:11am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Family lore is that my grandfather’s uncle and cousins were Partisans during the war. Got no way of proving that though. He may have also said Chetniks but doubtful given the Chetniks were overwhelmingly Serbian and Orthodox. I understand completely why the West supported Tito over the Chetniks in WWII.

My mom’s family comes from Croatia before WWI (thak God), I have tried to sort out the clusterf*ck of my family’s historical background.

Best thing I have found on it is Danubia, a historical work that starts to explain why the place was such a mess.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 5:47:02am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

My mom’s family comes from Croatia before WWI (thak God), I have tried to sort out the clusterf*ck of my family’s historical background.

Best thing I have found on it is Danubia, a historical work that starts to explain why the place was such a mess.

What you have in the region are people with very long memories. I do remember hearing about that book. Mine got out a few years before WWI too but I imagine like yours stil had some family there. Found that they’re actually pretty close to the Slovene-Croat border. That side though has been the least researched though given the scarcity of records that do exist.

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Great White Snark  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:12:02am

I have an idea for a snack. Might do really well at the DNC. Trump Misfortune Cookies. every one has one of his stupid insults on a slip of paper inside. Thinking it should be a bitter flavor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:12:48am

Great photo essay

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:13:25am

Morning.

I think I am suffering major election fatigue.

I wonder if many of the other LGF members are also suffering. I was sort of surprised by the lack of commenting last night with what all was going on yesterday.

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Great White Snark  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:16:14am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Morning.

I think I am suffering major election fatigue.

I wonder if many of the other LGF members are also suffering. I was sort of surprised by the lack of commenting last night with what all was going on yesterday.

That would be me. So done with it all.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:16:41am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

Bernie’s people should be well aware of ole Jimmy. In fact everybody should be aware of that little ghoul.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:19:10am

Obama’s not doing anything about ISIS again. /

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:27:49am

I saw Johnny Depp’s Trump in Funny or Die’s ‘Art of the Deal’ and that was a pretty subtle and satisfying impression. The little verbal tics, down to the off-hand ‘okay’s, were prerty masterful given the short production time involved.

Just saw this. Stephen Colbert takes every verbal trope that the buffoon slings and parodies it like a champion. An old clip admittedly, but I was impressed.

Announcing: an Announcement!

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:35:11am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Morning.

I think I am suffering major election fatigue.

I wonder if many of the other LGF members are also suffering. I was sort of surprised by the lack of commenting last night with what all was going on yesterday.

I can honestly say that this is the worst election cycle in my lifetime. I am beyond disgusted with the candidates, the media, and the voters who would happily put the worst candidates I’ve ever seen in the White House. That includes you Bernie voters, too, since you’ll be guaranteeing a GOP sweep in November.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:38:52am

re: #60 Tigger2

Obama’s not doing anything about ISIS again. /

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My only snark is like a teacher’s attempt at using shame to inspire motivation; ‘he could achieve wonders if only he’d apply himself’.

My one worry with Clinton is that she’d not use Obama’s patience and circumspect approach. Though this is likely due to her support of the Iraq intervention. I’ve no doubt that her time as SoS has sufficiently armoured her with tools and strategies that don’t rely on Bush Doctrine malletting.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:40:54am

More “Vote for Bernie! He’s not a career politician like all those other assholes” stuff on my FB this morning.

Smack. My. Head.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:43:02am

re: #63 Alyosha

My only snark is like a teacher’s attempt at using shame to inspire motivation; ‘he could achieve wonders if only he’d apply himself’.

My one worry with Clinton is that she’d not use Obama’s patience and circumspect approach. Though this is likely due to her support of the Iraq intervention. I’ve no doubt that her time as SoS has sufficiently armoured her with tools and strategies that don’t rely on Bush Doctrine malletting.

I think she would do fine, and I can’t fault her for supporting the Iraq war at first when I did the same thing at first.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:45:34am

re: #64 GlutenFreeJesus

More “Vote for Bernie! He’s not a career politician like all those other assholes” stuff on my FB this morning.

Smack. My. Head.

Give them the link to his Wikipedia page and ask them how 34 years in office makes him not a career politician.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:48:07am

It has been a frustrating cycle. I’ll be glad when it’s all over hopefully with Trump, Rubio, and Cruz far far far away from the Presidency. Oh and there’s another story out on Rubio today. Apparently when he was in the FL legislature, he sought a seat on a 9/11 commission and then missed most of his meetings. What’s with this dude?

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:49:22am

I also remember people bitching about the previous two elections, about how long they were and how they wish they were over.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:52:03am

I’m honestly tired of hearing people whine about career politicians. That’s honestly the last of our problems. In fact, I think the people who run on raw rage like Trump are more problematic than wheelers and dealers. Point was made last night but why do people want people who don’t compromise? I mean I want my leaders to have strong ideals but I also think compromising is a leadership skill too for without it we would have no Constitution but that gets lost on purists.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:52:15am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

It has been a frustrating cycle. I’ll be glad when it’s all over hopefully with Trump, Rubio, and Cruz far far far away from the Presidency. Oh and there’s another story out on Rubio today. Apparently when he was in the FL legislature, he sought a seat on a 9/11 commission and then missed most of his meetings. What’s with this dude?

He is the type of person that likes holding a title but doesn’t want to do anything out of his way to support it.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:52:38am

re: #68 Belafon

I also remember people bitching about the previous two elections, about how long they were and how they wish they were over.

I don’t think back then we had the reality tv series Town Hall Starring Donald Trump running five nights a week like now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:53:00am

re: #70 Tigger2

He is the type of person that likes holding a title but doesn’t want to do anything out of his way to support it.

Yeah the prestige that comes with being called Senator Rubio with none of the work.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:55:26am

I’m glad I’m getting back into writing. Submit some work to some of the magazines. Maybe get published. I dunno. I just know I’m glad I never got into politics for a career like I wanted to when I was getting out of high school eleven years ago.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:56:02am

re: #65 Tigger2

I think she would do fine, and I can’t fault her for supporting the Iraq war at first when I did the same thing at first.

The fact that she’s a flawed candidate because of her susceptibility to the pressure for war with Iraq is a weird-ish angle for Sanders to take to criticise her.
How many other Americans who traditionally vote Democratic *also* fell for the fearmongering?
Are they not stung when Sanders brings it up? Hindsight is what contextualises things; Obama got it right and voted against the action: but he didn’t pillory those who had.
His refusal to move for criminal charges against members of the Bush Admin. his desire to avoid ‘relitigation’ of that dark time in American history has had mixed results.

One was that those unabashed voices for war, even after the conflict went sour, were not forever chastened.
The second are those who now see the Iraq vote as a litmus test, and will never support a candidate who shared America’s anxieties.

Can you imagine an America today if Bush and Cheney had been referred to a Congressional inquest of some sort?

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:57:13am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:58:09am

re: #75 Tigger2

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Rubio’s doing what McCain did on immigration, run away like a coward on one of the few issues he wasn’t a total dick on.

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Jayleia  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:58:27am

re: #65 Tigger2

Same, I mean, I can’t say I was “rahrah” about it, but I wasn’t marching in the streets against it.

If I’d known then what I know now…but, blah blah hindsight is 20/20…yeah, but that doesn’t make anyone less dead.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 6:59:51am

re: #74 Alyosha

The fact that she’s a flawed candidate because of her susceptibility to the pressure for war with Iraq is a weird-ish angle for Sanders to take to criticise her.
How many other Americans who traditionally vote Democratic *also* fell for the fearmongering?
Are they not stung when Sanders brings it up? Hindsight is what contextualises things; Obama got it right and voted against the action: but he didn’t pillory those who had.
His refusal to move for criminal charges against members of the Bush Admin. his desire to avoid ‘relitigation’ of that dark time in American history has had mixed results.

One was that those unabashed voices for war, even after the conflict went sour, were not forever chastened.
The second are those who now see the Iraq vote as a litmus test, and will never support a candidate who shared America’s anxieties.

Can you imagine an America today if Bush and Cheney had been referred to a Congressional inquest of some sort?

Some of Sanders votes on gun issues bothers me.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:00:09am

Right wingers kinda freaking out over the fact that Trump has the edge over everyone else. Cruz’s path to a nomination is slipping away. It’s math, which as we all know, isn’t a GOP strong suit.

538’s Nate Silver lays it out. Rubio actually has a slightly better path to a nomination (if he survives SC, that is). Cruz needs evangelicals, but the states where they have the largest numbers aren’t winner take all states; they’re states that may either apportion delegates by vote percentages, or are winner take all by district - diluting the value of winning a given state.

Trump, who continues to lead in most polls in most of the upcoming states, has the easiest path right now.

Jeb? He’s toast. Kasich and Carson are afterthoughts.

Oh, and Trump’s “rift” with the Pope?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:02:06am

re: #78 Tigger2

Some of Sanders votes on gun issues bothers me.

Some has come out about his immigration votes that bothers me even more than that.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:02:31am

Oh, and one more thing. Talking about a rift among Bernie/Hillary voters? It really is an Internet thing - polling finds not so much:

For all the chatter on Twitter and the Net about a rift between Bernie and Hillary, the fact is that the Democrats are in good shape - if they GOTV in November. That’s a huge IF.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:02:50am

re: #78 Tigger2

Some of Sanders votes on gun issues bothers me.

And the rebuttal is simple: ‘it’s not that he’s in the tank for the NRA, it’s that he represents Vermont.’
It’s hard to expose his true motive when the anti-establishment mantle pretty much covers it.

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Great White Snark  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:06:34am

re: #82 Alyosha

And the rebuttal is simple: ‘it’s not that he’s in the tank for the NRA, it’s that he represents Vermont.’
It’s hard to expose his true motive when the anti-establishment mantle pretty much covers it.

Rural ares vs urban explains that precisely. The gun rules for one are often all wrong for the other. But that divide put that way bears no electoral/poll/ fundraising goals. So that rather obvious fact is largely ignored in favor of more divisive (i.e. useful) arguments.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:08:08am

re: #81 lawhawk

Oh, and one more thing. Talking about a rift among Bernie/Hillary voters? It really is an Internet thing - polling finds not so much:

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For all the chatter on Twitter and the Net about a rift between Bernie and Hillary, the fact is that the Democrats are in good shape - if they GOTV in November. That’s a huge IF.

I’m fairly confident that the first debate should pretty much erase all doubt and batsignal the importance of one’s civic duty to keep the wolves at bay.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:08:21am

re: #82 Alyosha

And the rebuttal is simple: ‘it’s not that he’s in the tank for the NRA, it’s that he represents Vermont.’
It’s hard to expose his true motive when the anti-establishment mantle pretty much covers it.

My Reply would be, Well his Vermont stance means nothing to me he’s not running to be the President of Vermont. Is his stance going to change on some of the gun issues ?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:12:55am

Cliven Bundy has been extradited to Nevada.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:13:43am

re: #83 Great White Snark

Rural ares vs urban explains that precisely. The gun rules for one are often all wrong for the other. But that divide put that way bears no electoral/poll/ fundraising goals. So that rather obvious fact is largely ignored in favor of more divisive (i.e. useful) arguments.

My opinion on the matter is, to some degree, informed by your posts. I have to defer to the better-informed, even if I can’t agree on specific notions of what constitutes a ‘right’.
I have the fortune of not being a citizen automatically empowered with death-dealing capabilities by charter.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:14:28am

re: #85 Tigger2

My Reply would be, Well his Vermont stance means nothing to me he’s not running to be the President of Vermont. Is his stance going to change on some of the gun issues ?

And I’m not trying to nitpick I have owned guns for 54 yrs.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:15:11am

Car’s in the shop…transmission light came on.

At home watching old movies hoping I don’t have to replace the transmission/car.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:15:30am

I can let the gun issue slide some but I have to admit I wince when Steve King praises him and even compares him favorably against other Republicans. It’s a harsh title I admit but Rep Gutierrez is probably among the biggest leaders on immigration in Congress.
univision.com

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Franklin  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:16:42am

re: #86 GlutenFreeJesus

Cliven Bundy has been extradited to Nevada.

Cliven Bundy doesn’t believe in extradition. To him it’s like leprechauns, or eskimos.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:16:47am

re: #85 Tigger2

My Reply would be, Well his Vermont stance means nothing to me he’s not running to be the President of Vermont. Is his stance going to change on some of the gun issues ?

I’m hoping it comes up in debates a bit more. The sooner the better. It’s been touched on, but gun violence seems to be a problem both candidates acknowledge, but don’t consider a cornerstone of their platform.

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ausador  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:18:05am

Wait, I thought Obama was the Antichrist…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:18:55am

re: #92 Alyosha

I’m hoping it comes up in debates a bit more. The sooner the better. It’s been touched on, but gun violence seems to be a problem both candidates acknowledge, but don’t consider a cornerstone of their platform.

I’d like to see more too. I can understand the state issue and the rural versus urban dynamic but I think you can make an argument that our states don’t exist in a vaccum. Tons of people buy guns here in Virginia and use them in crimes in the District or Maryland that have stricter gun laws.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:19:29am

re: #93 ausador

Wait, I thought Obama was the Antichrist…

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Why Clinton’s successor is the Anti-Christ, copyright 2020 or 2024.

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Great White Snark  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:20:33am

re: #87 Alyosha

Well thanks for that, glad to help inform as I can. The candidates have been oversimplifying and that just makes a mess of the debate. Like the due process defying no fly list=gun ban idea Hilary has repeatedly endorsed. She has to know the legal problems there, but votes first right? Not a slam on HRC, but the electoral campaign culture.

Gabby Giffords and I agree on a lot of gun control ideas. Ideas with rights and safety motivations in balance.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:21:04am

re: #93 ausador

Wait, I thought Obama was the Antichrist…

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Obama is the Antchrist.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:21:21am

re: #93 ausador

Wait, I thought Obama was the Antichrist…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:22:34am

The Antichrist is a busy guy.

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Nojay UK  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:22:58am

re: #98 Tigger2

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I think Trump is the Antipope, not the AntiChrist.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:23:27am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Why Clinton’s successor is the Anti-Christ, copyright 2020 or 2024.

Bill Clinton Obama looked promising as the Anti-Christ, but he’s proven a disappointment. America still exists. But surely Hillary will bring on the Apocalypse and the Rapture and..wait is this supposed to be good or bad?

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:24:12am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Obama’s the anti-Christ (when position not filled by Democrat du jour).

No wait…. Obama’s a Time Lord. After all, he’s managed to erase his past, and insert his own predestined history.

No, that’s not it. He’s like the exiled time cop from Legends of Tomorrow.

No, that’s not it.

Obama’s the Silver Surfer - the herald for Galactus Hillary, destroyer of worlds.

Perfect.

This is the right wing mindset, where conspiracy theories and batcrap insanity take the place of rational thought.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:25:02am

re: #100 Nojay UK

I think Trump is the Antipope, not the AntiChrist.

Trump is the AntiKnowledge. Judging by his base.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:27:38am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:27:46am

Realiy show idea, America’s Next Antichrist.

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ausador  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:28:03am

GOP philosophy, if the facts contradict your idealogy then go after the people who published the facts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:28:54am

re: #104 lawhawk

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Shit. My kid brother’s actually reading To Kill a Mockingbird right now. Reminds me of learning about Woodward and Bernstein and watching All the President’s Men and then Woodward revealing Felt as Deepthroat. RIP, Ms.Lee. Thanks for Atticus and Scout, two great characters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:29:32am

re: #106 ausador

GOP philosophy, if the facts contradict your idealogy then go after the people who published the facts.

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What happened to free speech. Oh wait, that’s only for bigoted right wing assholes shouting shit.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:29:42am

re: #96 Great White Snark

Well thanks for that, glad to help inform as I can. The candidates have been oversimplifying and that just makes a mess of the debate. Like the due process defying no fly list=gun ban idea Hilary has repeatedly endorsed. She has to know the legal problems there, but votes first right? Not a slam on HRC, but the electoral campaign culture.

Gabby Giffords and I agree on a lot of gun control ideas. Ideas with rights and safety motivations in balance.

Coming from a mostly gun-free culture I don’t assign much blame to candidates who aim to legislate against the ownership of guns for anyone. I consider it a blind spot of sorts. So I do take the time to read contradictory posts and consider their merits.
In some ways, I’ll never quite get it. My mood is more pessimistic.
I don’t think it’s possible, at this point, to discover a consensus upon which sensible and effective gun laws can be enacted. The climate is far too polarised; one half of one side (not the gun control side, mind you) is freaking paranoid. And besides which, guns aren’t like drugs. They don’t disappear after use and they can be used without firing.
The horse has long since bolted. It’s all damage control now.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:29:53am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Realiy show idea, America’s Next Antichrist.

I’d watch it!

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KerFuFFler  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:30:57am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

The Antichrist is a busy guy.

Maybe he moves from host body to host body like in Fallen, the movie. Obama today, Hillary (or Bernie) tomorrow…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:31:13am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

I’d watch it!

It’d be tough finding a host though.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:31:37am

re: #104 lawhawk

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Oh wow, actually thought she was older. R.I.P.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:31:53am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’d be tough finding a host though.

Trump’s not doing anything after November.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:32:09am

re: #106 ausador

Powerful Republican state Sen. Jane Nelson dismissed the findings as invalid, in part because the research was funded by the nonprofit Susan T. Buffet Foundation, which is a major supporter of Planned Parenthood and other abortion rights groups.

She also questions why two state health employees were among the study’s five co-authors.

“It’s one thing for an agency to provide data upon request. It’s quite another to be listed as a ‘co-author’ on a deeply flawed and highly political report,” said Nelson, an architect of Texas’ current women’s health program. “I’ve communicated strong concerns to the agency. This should not have happened, and we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

Disgusting. Really disgusting and scary for academic and scientific freedom.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:32:18am

re: #111 KerFuFFler

Maybe he moves from host body to host body like in Fallen, the movie. Obama today, Hillary (or Bernie) tomorrow…

That’s gotta be exhausting on the poor fella. Doesn’t he have time to visit the little Antichrists and Mrs. Antichrist? I mean I’m sure Billy Antichrist just wants to have a catch with his Dad and for his Dad to take him to some baseball games but Dad is always busy!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:32:37am

re: #114 Alyosha

Trump’s not doing anything after November.

I was thinking he’d be a contestant.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:32:55am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Disgusting. Really disgusting and scary for academic and scientific freedom.

Ur findings are Unvalidated!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:33:08am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Disgusting. Really disgusting and scary for academic and scientific freedom.

They did in VA under Cucinelli’s AG office. Coochie didn’t like UVA’s climate change scientists doing their research. It’s that crap why I laugh my fucking ass off when I hear conservatives complain about liberals censoring them when we have actual states doing crap like this.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:34:02am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Disgusting. Really disgusting and scary for academic and scientific freedom.

So doing the study was “political” but firing the researcher isn’t “political”.

I see.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:36:17am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

I was thinking he’d be a contestant.

I’m hoping he’d blur the line. Like if Jeff Probst sidled into the contestants encampment and ate all the food.

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freetoken  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:36:24am

Latest SC popularity polls still show Trump with a large lead, but momentum seems to be with Rubio, who is doing better.

The WSJ/NBC poll continues to be an outlier. Even in the Democratic contest they have Clinton by an outsized margin ahead of Bernie.

Some have pointed out that the WSJ/NBC poll is too heavily weighted towards those who declare themselves to be very conservative (whatever that means.)

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ausador  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:39:47am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Disgusting. Really disgusting and scary for academic and scientific freedom.

There were five researchers on the study, two worked for the state and the other three a university. The university initiated the research and contrary to Sen. Nelson’s assertion says the Buffet foundation had nothing to do with it

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:40:43am

We are all the anti-Christ.
Or was it Kosh?
Meh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:41:02am

re: #122 freetoken

Latest SC popularity polls still show Trump with a large lead, but momentum seems to be with Rubio, who is doing better.

The WSJ/NBC poll continues to be an outlier. Even in the Democratic contest they have Clinton by an outsized margin ahead of Bernie.

Some have pointed out that the WSJ/NBC poll is too heavily weighted towards those who declare themselves to be very conservative (whatever that means.)

WaPo article I read indicates that it’s a fight between Rubio and Cruz for second place along with another article indicating that Rubio in the FL legislature sought out a committee spot on a 9/11 comission and missed the most meetings of anyone by far. So it seems to me that his behavior in the Senate is not merely due running for President as he may claim but due to being someone who wants prestige but none of the hard work that came with it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:41:14am

re: #122 freetoken

Latest SC popularity polls still show Trump with a large lead, but momentum seems to be with Rubio, who is doing better.

The WSJ/NBC poll continues to be an outlier. Even in the Democratic contest they have Clinton by an outsized margin ahead of Bernie.

Some have pointed out that the WSJ/NBC poll is too heavily weighted towards those who declare themselves to be very conservative (whatever that means.)

If the one poll showing Rubio way ahead of Kasich and Cruz is right, the GOP may get down to a one-on-one race between Trump and Rubio sooner rather than later. Cruz obviously won’t quit until he takes his shot in the SEC primary, but if he doesn’t win outside of Texas I think he’s done. Then we’ll see if Trump can add enough other Republicans to the third he has to make a majority, or if instead Rubio takes the lion’s share.

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:41:24am

re: #93 ausador

Wait, I thought Obama was the Antichrist…

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Also, I thought the Antichrist had to be a guy….

Hillary Clinton, breaking gender barriers again!!!

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ElaineBenis  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:41:39am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

My late grandmother was Croatian and a couple of years ago I took my mom on a Rick Steves tour of Croatia, Slovenia & Bosnia. It was fantastic. We got to explore Titos summer place on Lake Bled. We spent a couple of days in Dubrovnik and it was indeed stunning. Bosnia was my first experience in Muslim country and I fell in love with the minarets and calls to prayer. Literally every building we saw in Bosnia was pockmarked with bullet holes.

It was a great trip that I highly recommend.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:42:42am

re: #123 ausador

There were five researchers on the study, two worked for the state and the other three a university. The university initiated the research and contrary to Sen. Nelson’s assertion says the Buffet foundation had nothing to do with it

And both grants (The Foundation grant and the NIH R24) were awarded to UT-Austin. As usual, anti-science conservative fascists live in their own reality that is devoid of facts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:43:16am

Lena Dunham should get a restraining order on stalker Baby Whiplash.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:43:56am

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

Lena Dunham should get a restraining order on stalker Baby Whiplash.

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Baby Ben keeps making me like Lena Dunham.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:44:04am

re: #128 ElaineBenis

My late grandmother was Croatian and a couple of years ago I took my mom on a Rick Steves tour of Croatia, Slovenia & Bosnia. It was fantastic. We got to explore Titos summer place on Lake Bled. We spent a couple of days in Dubrovnik and it was indeed stunning. Bosnia was my first experience in Muslim country and I fell in love with the minarets and calls to prayer. Literally every building we saw in Bosnia was pockmarked with bullet holes.

It was a great trip that I highly recommend.

Sounds like a beautiful trip. I used Rick’s guidebooks and tour videos to help plan my trip to Spain, Portugal, and Ireland two summers ago. I think he’s one of the best travel guys on TV. My mom’s father was Slovenian. It’s probably the country I know least about that I have roots in and consequently enough the one I’ve met the fewest relatives on since my grandfather was the youngest and a lot of his siblings had died by my birth.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:44:46am

re: #131 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Baby Ben keeps making me like Lena Dunham.

I have never watched the “Girls” show and have no opinion of Lena Dunham, but Baby Whiplash’s obsession with her is creepy and scary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:45:18am

re: #130 The Vicious Babushka

Lena Dunham should get a restraining order on stalker Baby Whiplash.

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He really needs to see someone about his obsession with her. It’s not healthy nor is it normal. Are you made that Lena would want nothing to do with a lame troll like you Ben who acts three times his age?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:45:51am

re: #131 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Baby Ben keeps making me like Lena Dunham.

No kidding, I’ve never watched Girls but I’m starting to feel that if this little prick hates her so much that she may be alright.

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ausador  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:48:14am

First step towards getting them pulled off shelves until manufacturers/distributors can have them tested and listed by U.L. or another recognized listing agency.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:48:17am

It takes a really disturbed mind to treat Lena Dunham’s actions as a child as terrible, sexual assault but to just brush off Josh Duggar, a repeat offender at that as an adult as a victim of liberal smears but that’s Baby Whiplash, always eager to attack Liberal women but always happy to help a Wingnut brother in arms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:50:51am

re: #54 HappyWarrior

What you have in the region are people with very long memories. I do remember hearing about that book. Mine got out a few years before WWI too but I imagine like yours stil had some family there. Found that they’re actually pretty close to the Slovene-Croat border. That side though has been the least researched though given the scarcity of records that do exist.

One point made in Danubia is that despite long memories, almost nobody has an “ancestral” claim to any particular territory: people have been tossed about back and forth by the tides of history so that no single group ever stayed in one place permanently.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:51:03am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

He is the type of person who loves prestige and power but hates the work involved. In other words the typical modern revolutionary masquerading as a conservative.

I was going to say, “masquerading as a human” but such behaviour is very human.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:52:59am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One point made in Danubia is that despite long memories, almost nobody has an “ancestral” claim to any particular territory: people have been tossed about back and forth by the tides of history so that no single group ever stayed in one place permanently.

I believe it’s been really only since the 20th century that Bratislava, Slovakia’s capital has become majority Slovak speaking. And as you know, there’s tons of lands far removed from Germany and Austria that have tons of German speakers. I should pick up that book. It sounds fascinating.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:53:42am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

They did in VA under Cucinelli’s AG office. Coochie didn’t like UVA’s climate change scientists doing their research. It’s that crap why I laugh my fucking ass off when I hear conservatives complain about liberals censoring them when we have actual states doing crap like this.

Don’t forget the ban on NIH studying the nature and impact of guns on health outcomes.

W also tried to stymie Climate science study at NASA.

And then there was the (partially successful) attempt to make it illegal to refer to current scientific projections of sea level rise by North Carolina legislatures and bureaucracies.

And remember W refusing to open certain emails so he would not have to act on the information.

The 3 strategies to avoid dealing with reality:

1. You can’t study it.
2. If you did anyway, you may not speak of it.
3. If you speak of it, *puts fingers in ears while running around* “I’m not listening”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:56:02am

re: #141 KerFuFFler

Don’t forget the ban on NIH studying the nature and impact of guns on health outcomes.

W also tried to stymie Climate science study at NASA.

And then there was the (partially successful) attempt to make it illegal to refer to current scientific projections of sea level rise by North Carolina legislatures and bureaucracies.

And remember W refusing to open certain emails so he would not have to act on the information.

The 3 strategies to avoid dealing with reality:

1. You can’t study it.
2. If you did anyway, you may not speak of it.
3. If you speak of it, *puts fingers in ears while running around* “I’m not listening”

Oh for sure. The UVA example just came to me since it was here in VA but tons of other examples of this but yet i’m supposed to feel bad for Ann Coulter or some other right wing asshole who makes a speech on a college campus insulting a lot of the student body and they’re upset that people et angry about that? Nah, I’ll chose my outrage for shit like this,

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:56:08am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

One point made in Danubia is that despite long memories, almost nobody has an “ancestral” claim to any particular territory: people have been tossed about back and forth by the tides of history so that no single group ever stayed in one place permanently.

In this and the latter half of the last century, we’ve tried to acheive a kind of national stasis. Anyone with an appreciation of history knows this time we’re living in is exceptionally peaceful.
The next test is how nations respond to climate change.
Daesh already made a mess of the colonial maps due in part to drought. What’s next?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:59:02am

FROTHING WINGNUT RAGE OF THE DAY==>
POTUS not attending Scalia’s funeral.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:59:14am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

No kidding, I’ve never watched Girls but I’m starting to feel that if this little prick hates her so much that she may be alright.

My guess is that she looks like someone who made fun of him in middle school.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 7:59:45am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

True. I guess I was thinking more of that he calls Serbia our WWI ally which is impossible given Serbia did not exist during WWI as an independent state and the Bosnians were more a part of Austro-Hungary hence why the Archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo.

Actually Serbia was a separate country in WW1.
en.wikipedia.org

Their support of Bosnian separatists and believed collusion in the assassination is what led to AH’s ultimatum and then declaration of war. Russia was backing Serbia, and Germany backing AH. France was allied with Russia. And Germany decided they needed to go through Belgium in order to defeat France quickly. And the UK was guaranteeing Belgium’s neutrality. O_o

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:00:03am

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

FROTHING WINGNUT RAGE OF THE DAY==>
POTUS not attending Scalia’s funeral.

100% of US Presidents attend 100% of Supreme Court Justice funerals and 100% of presidents don’t nominate to court in final year!!!!

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:01:32am

re: #145 Pawn of the Oppressor

My guess is that she looks like someone who made fun of him in middle school.

or turned him down for a date.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:02:55am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Family lore is that my grandfather’s uncle and cousins were Partisans during the war. Got no way of proving that though. He may have also said Chetniks but doubtful given the Chetniks were overwhelmingly Serbian and Orthodox. I understand completely why the West supported Tito over the Chetniks in WWII after some of the stuff about the Chetniks helping the Italian fascists out came ot light.

Though it should be noted as well that Chetniks helped rescue and hide Allied air crew who were shot down over Yugoslavia.

en.wikipedia.org
(The book on this is unfortunately not that good a read.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:03:16am

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

Actually Serbia was a separate country in WW1.
en.wikipedia.org

Their support of Bosnian separatists and believed collusion in the assassination is what led to AH’s ultimatum and then declaration of war. Russia was backing Serbia, and Germany backing AH. France was allied with Russia. And Germany decided they needed to go through Belgium in order to defeat France quickly. And the UK was guaranteeing Belgium’s neutrality. O_o

I meant WWII and I was responding to a claim that Serbia was our ally during WWII. Thanks though. Knew Serbia was independent during WWI and the history tehre but thanks anyohw. Man what a bloody mess that was.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:04:10am

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

FROTHING WINGNUT RAGE OF THE DAY==>
POTUS not attending Scalia’s funeral.

‘It’s the beating of that hideous heart!’
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:04:31am

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

Though it should be noted as well that Chetniks helped rescue and hide Allied air crew who were shot down over Yugoslavia.

en.wikipedia.org
(The book on this is unfortunately not that good a read.)

Yeah they did. I think the Partisans were the best choice to back given the situation since they were multi-ethnic. Tito was Croatian but he had associates who were Serbian, Slovene, Bosnian, and other groups.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:04:42am

re: #145 Pawn of the Oppressor

My guess is that she looks like someone who made fun of him in middle school.

It’s much simpler. She’d tell him off if he met her face to face. This is the only way he’d ever be able to bully her.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:05:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:05:36am

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

FROTHING WINGNUT RAGE OF THE DAY==>
POTUS not attending Scalia’s funeral.

And if Obama were to show up wingnuts, you’d still bitch at him. Just face it, Obama could nominate Scalia’s long lost twin or someone who clerked under him and says he’s an influence and you’d still bitch because you’re not getting your pony.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:06:00am

re: #154 Dave In Austin

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They make fun of the way Obama dresses……………..

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:06:23am

re: #124 Not a Sparkly Vampire

We are all the anti-Christ.
Or was it Kosh?
Meh.

Who are you?
What do you want?

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KerFuFFler  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:06:35am

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

FROTHING WINGNUT RAGE OF THE DAY==>
POTUS not attending Scalia’s funeral.

So ridiculous! As I understand it, he is not exactly invited.

But why give up on an opportunity to froth?

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:07:57am

re: #151 Alyosha

Neither is Ted Cruz. So what.

Obama would be chastized for going or not going. So he’s not going.

If I were in his shoes, I’d go. But that’s me. I’m also not the guy who the GOP demonizes at every opportunity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:08:25am

If Obama attended the funeral, wingnuts would scream
HURR HURR HE SHOWED UP TO DISRESPECT TEH FAMILY’S WISHES!!!11!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:09:05am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

If Obama attended the funeral, wingnuts would scream
HURR HURR HE SHOWED UP TO DISRESPECT TEH FAMILY’S WISHES!!!11!!!!

Exactly. So fuck em.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:09:05am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

If Obama attended the funeral, wingnuts would scream
HURR HURR HE SHOWED UP TO DISRESPECT TEH FAMILY’S WISHES!!!11!!!!

Heads we win, tails you lose.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:09:24am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I meant WWII and I was responding to a claim that Serbia was our ally during WWII. Thanks though. Knew Serbia was independent during WWI and the history tehre but thanks anyohw. Man what a bloody mess that was.

Check your comment #38 then. Unless you edited it since I read it there is “WWI” in two places instead of “WWII”. Thus my comment and wondering when the time reference changed.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:10:11am

re: #159 lawhawk

Neither is Ted Cruz. So what.

Obama would be chastized for going or not going. So he’s not going.

If I were in his shoes, I’d go. But that’s me. I’m also not the guy who the GOP demonizes at every opportunity.

Just riffin’ on the CTs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:11:04am

re: #163 Feline Fearless Leader

Check your comment #38 then. Unless you edited it since I read it there is “WWI” in two places instead of “WWII”. Thus my comment and wondering when the time reference changed.

it’s cool. I meant WWII though. My computer’s been slow and I was just getting up too. Good looking out though so thanks. Just wanted to make it clear that I was aware of Serbia’s independence at the time WWI broke out.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:11:28am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Yeah they did. I think the Partisans were the best choice to back given the situation since they were multi-ethnic. Tito was Croatian but he had associates who were Serbian, Slovene, Bosnian, and other groups.

Probably. And Tito managed to keep the lid on that particular pot for a period of time. Though not necessarily via the best of methods. The Balkans have been a political mess and international football for centuries in any case. One reason it’s a religious and ethnic mish-mash is due to being the obvious route between Asia Minor and Central Europe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:12:00am

re: #158 KerFuFFler

So ridiculous! As I understand it, he is not exactly invited.

But why give up on an opportunity to froth?

I got into this with a wingnut yesterday, even mentioned that the family preferred it that way. He said, ‘No, they didn’t want an autopsy. They didn’t say anything about the funeral’. So posted the link to the story where family friends said this was best.

Apparently, the family can’t just let it be known to the White House in the standard, polite way, behind the scenes. They’re supposed to make an announcement and be dicks about it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:12:25am

re: #162 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Heads we win, tails you lose.

I presume (ha!) every single GOP POTUS candidate *is* attending in order to show their respect?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:13:24am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

it’s cool. I meant WWII though. My computer’s been slow and I was just getting up too. Good looking out though so thanks. Just wanted to make it clear that I was aware of Serbia’s independence at the time WWI broke out.

No problem. That let me type in that paragraph of the quick version of the alliance web that led to a world war breaking out.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:14:26am

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

I presume (ha!) every single GOP POTUS candidate *is* attending in order to show their respect?

Unless they have something important to do, like campaign in a primary.

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:14:56am

re: #166 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably. And Tito managed to keep the lid on that particular pot for a period of time. Though not necessarily via the best of methods. The Balkans have been a political mess and international football for centuries in any case. One reason it’s a religious and ethnic mish-mash is due to being the obvious route between Asia Minor and Central Europe.

Yeah you’ve got tons Orthodox, Catholic, and Muslims all on the same land. In hindsight, the base thing to do after WWI would have been to give each of the groups their own independence but Pan-South Slavism as espoused by Tito was a big thing in those days so I doubt it could realistically happen. I am just glad the wars appear to be over. I know for a fact I still have family in Slovenia. I hope they managed to make it through all the conflicts safe.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:15:45am

re: #164 Alyosha

And with that understanding, I wouldn’t attend either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:18:20am

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

No problem. That let me type in that paragraph of the quick version of the alliance web that led to a world war breaking out.

Yeah, I wasn’t trying to sound defensive or anything like that. I just pride myself on my knowledge, history degree and all that jazz. I’m actually re-watching that excellent BBC documentary series that features the 14 war diaries. My only small qualm with it is that they did not include a diary of someone from one of the Slavic groups in the Austrian-Hungarian empire or a Serb. That world of alliance is the world that my mom’s folks were fleeing when they came to the US. In fact, my mom’s mom was in Europe for WWI. That land in northeastern Slovakia is today very close to the Polish border(like literal walking distance) but I don’t know who controlled that part of Poland during WWI since I want to say that Poland had parts of it controlled by Russia, Austria-Hungary, and Germany during that time.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:19:26am

Shut the fuck up Republicans. He went to pay his respects to Scalia at the court yesterday. People mourn and grieve in their own ways.

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ElaineBenis  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:19:29am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Slovenia is a lovely little overlooked country; Lubjliana (yes I butchered the spelling) is a really, really pretty city.

I’m not at all a tour/cruise ship person but I didn’t want to deal with logistics and language AND my elderly mother so went with RS. And it was great.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:20:04am

re: #172 lawhawk

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And with that understanding, I wouldn’t attend either.

If the Scalia family thinks he’s making the right choice than that really is all that needs to be said. It’s not like Obama and Scalia were close. And while the two aren’t the same situation, Scalia made a habit of not attending Obama’s SOTU addresses. This is just a fake outrage and I am glad the Scalia family isn’t humoring right wing bullshit here.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:21:27am

re: #174 GlutenFreeJesus

Shut the fuck up Republicans. He went to pay his respects to Scalia at the court yesterday. People mourn and grieve in their own ways.

If he truly wanted to pay his respects, he and Biden would resign so that Ryan could become president and appoint Scalia’s replacement.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:21:39am

re: #175 ElaineBenis

Slovenia is a lovely little overlooked country; Lubjliana (yes I butchered the spelling) is a really, really pretty city.

I’m not at all a tour/cruise ship person but I didn’t want to deal with logistics and language AND my elderly mother so went with RS. And it was great.

It does look quite lovely. It’s so funny because I’m Slovak on my mother’s mother’s side and people always mess up the two nations. I’d really like to go some day. I’d probably have to fly into Vienna and take a train to Slovenia since there probably aren’t too many cheap flights that are either one or even two way ot Ljubiana.

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Alyosha  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:22:19am

re: #172 lawhawk

I won’t belabour my admittedly crappy joke, but that kind of insight won’t placate the nation’s ‘disembrained’*.

*Stewart et. al. Warner Books, 2004, pg. 107

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:22:38am

re: SC Primary tomorrow, I though Jeb! might rebound there, since he exceeded admittedly low expectations in NH and was bringing in W to campaign for him.

But doesn’t appear that will happen. Tomorrow might be Jeb’s last stand.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:23:27am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

If the Scalia family thinks he’s making the right choice than that really is all that needs to be said. It’s not like Obama and Scalia were close. And while the two aren’t the same situation, Scalia made a habit of not attending Obama’s SOTU addresses. This is just a fake outrage and I am glad the Scalia family isn’t humoring right wing bullshit here.

Nope. Not good enough for RWNJ.

/

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nines09  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:23:34am

Religious Leaders Rush To Trump’s Defense After Pope Francis’ Comments

How dare the Pope offend Americas lord and saviour? I also saw where now it’s “the reporting” that is wrong. Ignore the audio and video of Trumps actual words. That’s the devils work.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:23:34am
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BeachDem  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:24:41am

re: #104 lawhawk

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I’m guessing PBS will re-show this doc—a 2015 update of the original “Hey Boo.”

If you haven’t seen it, keep an eye out—really good.

pbs.org

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:24:49am

re: #180 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

re: SC Primary tomorrow, I though Jeb! might rebound there, since he exceeded admittedly low expectations in NH and was bringing in W to campaign for him.

But doesn’t appear that will happen. Tomorrow might be Jeb’s last stand.

It might, but some polls show him within striking distance of Rubio and Cruz. We won’t know which polls got it right until tomorrow night, though if I were betting I would bet on Rubio finishing second.

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freetoken  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:24:50am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:25:20am

re: #182 nines09

Religious Leaders Rush To Trump’s Defense After Pope Francis’ Comments

How dare the Pope offend Americas lord and saviour? I also saw where now it’s “the reporting” that is wrong. Ignore the audio and video of Trumps actual words. That’s the devils work.

Pretty much all evangelicals and Bill Donahue who is the reincarnation of Bill the Butcher if Bill the Butcher were a Catholic nativist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:26:45am

re: #183 Charles Johnson

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Which Tweet was it?

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nines09  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:27:29am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

It’s like they stand in line to wait to see who Trump spits on next. Then they applaud. Trump does serve a purpose though. He shows us just how deep the sickness is.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:27:31am

This is the tweet:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:28:26am

re: #189 nines09

It’s like they stand in line to wait to see who Trump spits on next. Then they applaud. Trump does serve a purpose though. He shows us just how deep the sickness is.

I can’t wait to see who he goes after next. Of course, Falwell Jr and Graham spoke up for him. They’re just as bigoted as he is.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:28:47am

Just a reminder that the US continues to take on IS all over the world, even if the GOP thinks that we’re just sitting back and lobbing pillows and unicorn farts. It isn’t carpet bombing either - not that that would improve the outcome either (separate and distinct from the fact that carpet bombing would constitute war crimes for indiscriminate bombing of civilians).

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:29:48am

Harper Lee has passed.

slate.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:31:55am

Hell Francis called out anyone who builds a wall. It wasn’t just an attack on Trump. As I said last night, from Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall to Mr. Trump, Please build up this wall.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:35:18am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Hell Francis called out anyone who builds a wall. It wasn’t just an attack on Trump. As I said last night, from Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall to Mr. Trump, Please build up this wall.

But the Pope lives behind a wall! Never mind that the wall has a whole bunch of portals allowing people daily entry into the Vatican (a separate and distinct nation from Italy that surrounds it entirely).

The Pope was also talking about the moral and ethical choices of building walls and what it does to people on both sides of the fence. It’s not just good fences make good neighbors. There are costs too - and Trump and the rest of the right wing noise machine ignored that to focus on the criticism.

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nines09  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:36:28am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Hell Francis called out anyone who builds a wall. It wasn’t just an attack on Trump. As I said last night, from Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall to Mr. Trump, Please build up this wall.

Someone ought to ask Trump what that Lady in New York harbour is standing there for. Scrap prices are high, or she could be the new advertising tower. Bathe her in laser advertising for monthly fees. Name Ellis Island, uh, Bank One Island, or Wells Fargo Island. Rent it out to the highest bidder. This has always been a nation of contradictions. We’ve used immigrants to build our ivory towers, our railroads and pave our golden roads. Everyone outside of American Indians had a forefather come from somewhere else, and they were hated too. This is just the past showing up in new clothes.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:38:06am

re: #157 lawhawk

What do you want?

Always see this scene when I hear this question.

Babylon 5: Vir at his best Part 1

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Franklin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:38:25am

re: #154 Dave In Austin

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EPR-radar  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:40:50am

re: #195 lawhawk

But the Pope lives behind a wall! Never mind that the wall has a whole bunch of portals allowing people daily entry into the Vatican (a separate and distinct nation from Italy that surrounds it entirely).

The Pope was also talking about the moral and ethical choices of building walls and what it does to people on both sides of the fence. It’s not just good fences make good neighbors. There are costs too - and Trump and the rest of the right wing noise machine ignored that to focus on the criticism.

These RWNJs really are cowardly bullies. When given the least amount of power, they go absolutely berserk with it, wanting everyone else to bow and scrape before them.

When give the least amount of criticism, they whine like the most obnoxiously spoiled children ever.

How anyone capable of reason can look at this shit and say “that’s the kind of behavior I want elected officials to exhibit” is beyond comprehension.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:43:09am

re: #198 Franklin

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Oh…. A flash in my minds eye of Ted doing a Grimley

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Franklin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:44:16am

re: #200 Dave In Austin

Oh…. A flash in my minds eye of Ted doing a Grimley

Complete with a triangle…I must say.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:44:53am
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Lidane  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:46:00am

*headdesk*

When will these idiots learn that “separate but equal” doesn’t work?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:46:13am

re: #192 lawhawk

US air strike hits IS camp in Libya, dozens dead: t.co.

— Max Abrahms (@MaxAbrahms) February 19, 2016

If Trump was president, it would have been hundreds, if not thousands, dead.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:47:04am

re: #203 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Separate by equal. Fuckers.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:47:42am
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Franklin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:47:44am

re: #203 Lidane

Brown vs Board comes to mind here.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:48:45am

re: #203 Lidane

*headdesk*

When will these idiots learn that “separate but equal” doesn’t work?

When it applies to them in an adverse way.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:48:51am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Separate by equal. Fuckers.

It hasn’t passed the Kentucky House yet. But we are having special elections in March which may give the GOP control of the House so all the derp the Democrats have been killing for years can pass.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:49:00am

re: #203 Lidane

Kentucky Senate approves bill creating separate marriage license forms for gay couples

Well that should keep the gay cooties off straight marriage.//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:49:37am

re: #209 Big Beautiful Door

It hasn’t passed the Kentucky House yet. But we are having special elections in March which may give the GOP control of the House so all the derp the Democrats have been killing for years can pass.

Scary thoughts.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:51:00am

re: #201 Franklin

Complete with a triangle…I must say.

And the’re both Canadians!!

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Lidane  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:51:37am

re: #209 Big Beautiful Door

It hasn’t passed the Kentucky House yet. But we are having special elections in March which may give the GOP control of the House so all the derp the Democrats have been killing for years can pass.

Even if it does pass, I can’t see how it wouldn’t be overturned in the courts.

These idiots need to be brought into the 21st Century already.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:52:52am

re: #203 Lidane

*headdesk*

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When will these idiots learn that “separate but equal” doesn’t work?

I would not begrudge them this little bit of administrative hair-splitting as long as they ensure that the rights granted were truly equal in all respects. To me it is about equal rights under the law, regardless of what is printed on the registration forms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:54:46am

re: #210 KerFuFFler

Well that should keep the gay cooties off straight marriage.//

That is what it is about. If Kim Davis and her cohorts want to insist that these people are not married in the eyes of the Lord, then that is their religious right, as long as the gay married couples have identical rights to inheritance, common property, hospital visitation and adoption.

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Lidane  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:56:23am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would not begrudge them this little bit of administrative hair-splitting as long as they ensure that the rights granted were truly equal in all respects. To me it is about equal rights under the law, regardless of what is printed on the registration forms.

I wouldn’t.

The civil marriage contract is the same no matter who signs it. The marriage licenses should be the same too. They can’t just do some hand waving and pretend that gay marriage is somehow different because there’s a different form to fill out.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:56:25am

re: #15 Stanley Sea

The cops held their hands up in the video. That was it. Oh and the NOLA cop car went down in the water.

Weaklings.

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Words are so terribly murderous. Shooting unarmed black folks? Another day at the office.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:56:36am

re: #203 Lidane

Kentucky Senate approves bill creating separate marriage license forms for gay couples t.co
— Fox News (@FoxNews) February 19, 2016

Texas is going to one-up them and create separate interracial marriage license forms.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 8:58:30am

HA! Ted Cruz has a Rick Santorium-like internet problem: lmgtfy.com

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ausador  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:02:34am

SovCit: Help call the police!
Officer: I am the police.

Same script over and over, for some reason the majik SovCit word incantations keep failing to work…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:04:02am

This is Baby Whiplash projecting again==>
If you Google “pathetic, sad, whiny” you will get a picture of Ben Shapiro

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:04:55am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

This is Baby Whiplash projecting again==>
If you Google “pathetic, sad, whiny” you will get a picture of Ben Shapiro

What does the picture show?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:04:58am

re: #216 Lidane

I wouldn’t.

The civil marriage contract is the same no matter who signs it. The marriage licenses should be the same too. They can’t just do some hand waving and pretend that gay marriage is somehow different because there’s a different form to fill out.

I don’t agree with the decision, but if that is what it takes for the present to let gay people marry over the objections of religious bigots, then I am fine with that. I am certain that they will be abolished some day when stupidity ceases to be the accepted norm of political and social discourse.

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:04:59am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I would not begrudge them this little bit of administrative hair-splitting as long as they ensure that the rights granted were truly equal in all respects. To me it is about equal rights under the law, regardless of what is printed on the registration forms.

Beg to differ: “equal” means “equal” - marriage licenses are civil contracts authorized by a government, and shouldn’t discriminate. Do think they should have separate forms for, say, black couples than for white ones? Or for, say, Christians and Jews? Hard to see how this would stand up to a court challenge.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:05:49am

re: #186 freetoken

Another machete attack:

Machete Attack Triggers Amber Alert For 8-Year-Old Girl

Hope they find them before the husband/boyfriend/ex-boyfriend kills them too.

I loathe the media. I cringe every time I have to watch a video. 911 call playbacks are so vulgar.

And from the top of that page:

WATCH LIVE SUPREME COURT
ANTONIN SCALIA LIES IN REPOSE
(GET ALERTS)

“He’s not moving.”
“ALERT: SCALIA STILL DEAD”

…and so is the news

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:06:39am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

This is Baby Whiplash projecting again==>
If you Google “pathetic, sad, whiny” you will get a picture of Ben Shapiro

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YAF? LOL that’s the definition of entitled prick in the dictionary there buddy boy. Again I hear all this crying about campus leftists from guys like Ben but silence when the state actually does engage in it as we discussed above. What’s the matter Ben? Afraid to actually take on powerful people and prefer just talking down to college kids?

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:07:10am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t agree with the decision, but if that is what it takes for the present to let gay people marry over the objections of religious bigots, then I am fine with that. I am certain that they will be abolished some day when stupidity ceases to be the accepted norm of political and social discourse.

Like when we ended segregation of blacks using national guard troops?

As we know, stupidity will never cease to be an acceptable form of political and social discourse.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:07:38am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t agree with the decision, but if that is what it takes for the present to let gay people marry over the objections of religious bigots, then I am fine with that. I am certain that they will be abolished some day when stupidity ceases to be the accepted norm of political and social discourse.

I understand both of you but at the same time, these people need to realize that gay marriage is legal in their state and country. If these clerks really object to the forms that badly then they need to find a new line of work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:08:38am

re: #224 Jay C

Beg to differ: “equal” means “equal” - marriage licenses are civil contracts authorized by a government, and shouldn’t discriminate. Do think they should have separate forms for, say, black couples than for white ones? Or for, say, Christians and Jews? Hard to see how this would stand up to a court challenge.

If it makes the dickheads happy to have different colors and working for boy/girl, boy/boy and girl/girl, then let them have it and leave it for the courts to slap down. As long as they all grant equal and identical rights.

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No Depression  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:09:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:10:45am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I understand both of you but at the same time, these people need to realize that gay marriage is legal in their state and country. If these clerks really object to the forms that badly then they need to find a new line of work.

I also agree that extra forms are idiotic and unnecessary, but if that makes the assholes happy and lets them do their job with a clear conscience, then I would not worry about it. But if it does face a court challenge and gets smacked down, then I also say that Kim Davis can go f*ck herself.

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Lidane  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:11:34am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I understand both of you but at the same time, these people need to realize that gay marriage is legal in their state and country. If these clerks really object to the forms that badly then they need to find a new line of work.

This, exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:11:56am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I also agree that extra forms are idiotic and unnecessary, but if that makes the assholes happy and lets them do their job with a clear conscience, then I would not worry about it. But if it does face a court challenge and gets smacked down, then I also say that Kim Davis can go f*ck herself.

May well be but I’ll add that we did not appease these types after Loving but if it really will shut them the hell up I guess I could live with it but something tells me they won’t since these people are forever victims.

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Lidane  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:13:44am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

May well be but I’ll add that we did not appease these types after Loving but if it really will shut them the hell up I guess I could live with it but something tells me they won’t since these people are forever victims.

That’s just it. They won’t be happy.

It starts with separate forms for marriage licenses. Then it becomes separate tax forms to fill out. And separate marriage license offices. And so on. These assholes will not rest until they chip away at SSM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:14:00am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

May well be but I’ll add that we did not appease these types after Loving but if it really will shut them the hell up I guess I could live with it but something tells me they won’t since these people are forever victims.

There is no reasoning with them, we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:15:29am

re: #234 Lidane

That’s just it. They won’t be happy.

It starts with separate forms for marriage licenses. Then it becomes separate tax forms to fill out. And separate marriage license offices. And so on. These assholes will not rest until they chip away at SSM.

Right. I mean I’m sorry but would these people be okay with me because I’m not fond of guns denying a permit for a gun club or firing range? Do your fucking job or give it to someone who will. This isn’t going to placate them. They want to keep on chipping away at legal SSM.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:16:03am

re: #124 Not a Sparkly Vampire

We are all the anti-Christ.
Or was it Kosh?
Meh.

Christ
Anti-Christ
Synthechrist

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:16:30am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

He projects like Freud in Imax format. He’s got a mental woody for shitting on college kids who didn’t go into law.

I don’t know what good he thinks he’a doing by bitching on Twitter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:16:51am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

In Kim’s case, she has no job skills. So she definitely won’t willingly give up her “career”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:17:23am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is no reasoning with them, we can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can cause.

I understand that but when does it end for them. As I said, this is their job and we didn’t appease the idiots who couldn’t accept interracial marriage.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:18:03am

re: #238 Pawn of the Oppressor

He projects like Freud in Imax format. He’s got a mental woody for shitting on college kids who didn’t go into law.

I don’t know what good he thinks he’a doing by bitching on Twitter.

He’s a waste of a good JD.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:19:36am

I’m also tierd of Evangelicals whose number of marriages I can count on my left hand trying to deny marriage to gay couples who actually have stable, loving relationships because of “their values.” Especially a hypocritical asshole like Kim Davis.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:23:39am

re: #213 Lidane

Even if it does pass, I can’t see how it wouldn’t be overturned in the courts.

These idiots need to be brought into the 21st Century already.

Half our state just made it to the 19th Century.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:26:12am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

YAF? LOL that’s the definition of entitled prick in the dictionary there buddy boy. Again I hear all this crying about campus leftists from guys like Ben but silence when the state actually does engage in it as we discussed above. What’s the matter Ben? Afraid to actually take on powerful people and prefer just talking down to college kids?

YAF is the gang of privileged white fratboys who sponsor Baby Whiplash’s invasion of SJW “safe spaces” like on that South Park episode where the internet troll was eventually lynched.

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Franklin  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:26:34am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t agree with the decision, but if that is what it takes for the present to let gay people marry over the objections of religious bigots, then I am fine with that. I am certain that they will be abolished some day when stupidity ceases to be the accepted norm of political and social discourse.

Definitely see where you are coming from. And if marriage equality wasn’t the law of the land I would say ‘wow, this is an intriguing first step!’. But the law is the law. They need to comply or get out of the way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:27:56am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

YAF is the gang of privileged white fratboys who sponsor Baby Whiplash’s invasion of SJW “safe spaces” like on that South Park episode where the internet troll was eventually lynched.

Yeah YAF are a bunch of pricks.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:29:10am

Wow. Cruz somehow finds a new low everyday:

Cruz Campaign Quietly Pulls Photoshopped Image of Rubio and Obama

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:29:31am

re: #230 No Depression

Nice!

Buy This ‘Ted Cruz Was the Zodiac Killer’ Shirt and Fund Abortions

Tardis was wondering why Zodiac Killer came up while googling Cruz.

Here’s the answer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:29:47am

re: #247 Dr. Matt

Wow. Cruz somehow finds a new low everyday:

Embedded Image

Cruz Campaign Quietly Pulls Photoshopped Image of Rubio and Obama

it is a really lame photoshop at that

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:30:33am

re: #220 ausador

SovCit: Help call the police!
Officer: I am the police.

Same script over and over, for some reason the majik SovCit word incantations keep failing to work…

[Embedded content]

Help Help I’m Bein’ Repressed!

One of those clips seemed to be taking place in Australia.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:31:49am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I understand both of you but at the same time, these people need to realize that gay marriage is legal in their state and country. If these clerks really object to the forms that badly then they need to find a new line of work.

re: #232 Lidane

This, exactly.

States rights!

It is Kentucky and they are going to do what they are going to do. Watch this catch on and you will have two forms in many states.

Would it surprise anyone legislation is drawn up that states a LGBT marriage can not take place in a place of worship…they must be in a secular surrounding/building with no hint of religion in the proceedings.

Yep…separation of church and state…

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wrenchwench  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:35:58am

Current mood:

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:36:58am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Morning.

I think I am suffering major election fatigue.

I wonder if many of the other LGF members are also suffering. I was sort of surprised by the lack of commenting last night with what all was going on yesterday.

I am burned out beyond belief. I can’t watch the news because Trump is always on. I disliked him before but now I have a raging hate for him and I can only hope he fails so spectacularly that his business interests collapse around him.

As for here…I have very strong opinions and as strong a dislike for pie in the sky, wishful thinking, which is what I think Bernie is giving his supporters. Do I support his sentiment? Absolutely. Absofuckinglutely, even. But it’s bullshit. I know it and so do most other people who are willing to see beyond what is the desired state to what can actually happen.

So, for me, it is best to disengage. I never cared about whom people voted for in primaries. Alas, we used to live in a reality based universe, which these days is turned on its head. If I engage, I am likely to offend. So, backing off it is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:37:32am

You think Flint is bad?

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:39:02am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Obama is the Antchrist.

These days, every Democrat is the Antichrist.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:40:50am

re: #255 WhatEVs

These days, every Democrat is the Antichrist.

No, he is the ANTCHRIST

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:41:26am

re: #136 ausador

First step towards getting them pulled off shelves until manufacturers/distributors can have them tested and listed by U.L. or another recognized listing agency.

[Embedded content]

This is so infuriating. The original hoverboard was well made and expensive. Cheap knock offs come out and are poorly made and dangerous and now they will be no more. That sucks so bad.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:41:43am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

it is a really lame photoshop at that

Lame and embarrassing. Apparently shaking hands with a Blah man, let alone the leader of your own country, is a terrible thing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:42:25am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

You think Flint is bad?

[Embedded content]

I have a suspicion we are going to be seeing more and more of these municipal water systems, small electrical grids, etc. failing.

Our infrastructure is sending a message to us, and it is being ignored.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:42:46am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

You think Flint is bad?

“Black sludge’ pours out of Texas town’s faucets days after FBI arrests most city officials

Government over-regulation is worse!!!

/

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:44:37am
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No Depression  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:44:40am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

You think Flint is bad?

[Embedded content]

If you wanna live in a third world country, vote Republican!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:45:02am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Government over-regulation is worse!!!

/

It’s Freedom Water!
//

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:48:34am

Good morning Lizards, Happy Friday. Picked up a copy of the newest Carmageddon off of Steam. Man I forgot how fun that game was.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:50:16am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

And sticking with the photoshop theme:

Ronda Rousey Apologizes For Posting Photoshopped Image That Made Her Arms Skinnier

[Embedded content]

She didn’t need to. I’d gladly let her kick my butt with her real arms.

And when is Adobe going to get onto them for using photoshop as a verb?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:50:35am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s Freedom Water!
//

The purity of our municipal fluids!

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:50:47am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s Freedom Water!
//

That’s right dammit. We don’t need no EPA, we can filter that crap out ourselves, because we are Americans and we have a can-do spirit that makes even evil water great!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:51:12am

It’s an X-Files episode! It’s Mulder’s investigation and THE WATER IS ALIENS!!1

Flowers By Irene busted a real estate investor here yesterday but I hadn’t heard of them taking a whole town down. Wow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:52:00am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

And sticking with the photoshop theme:

Ronda Rousey Apologizes For Posting Photoshopped Image That Made Her Arms Skinnier

Embedded Image

Ya know, it’s a sad situation when a strong, beautiful woman, whose form is being celebrated in Sports Illustrated in a bodypainted swimsuit, still suffers from body image issues.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:52:39am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

You think Flint is bad?

[Embedded content]

Yeah but fuck the EPA! Who needs regulations? Corporations will police themselves? Geological studies? BAH!

Welcome to the Republican States of America where anything goes.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:53:07am

But back to Saturday’s debate, in which Trump was booed for saying George W. Bush knowingly lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq; Marco Rubio said Cruz had a “disturbing pattern” of “just … telling lies”; Trump called Jeb Bush weak and a liar and Cruz “the single biggest liar” and “a nasty guy”

i applaud them all for their newfound clarity of vision in discovering that they are all liars

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:54:11am

re: #265 Belafon

She didn’t need to. I’d gladly let her kick my butt with her real arms.

And when is Adobe going to get onto them for using photoshop as a verb?

They’ll just shorten it to Shopped. And Adobe is getting tons of free press.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:55:04am

re: #270 WhatEVs

Yeah but fuck the EPA! Who needs regulations? Corporations will police themselves? Geological studies? BAH!

Welcome to the Republican States of America where anything goes.

HURR HURR TEH PRIVATE CONTRACTORS & TEH PRIVATE INDUSTRY ENTREPRENEURS WILL BUILD ALL TEH ROADS & TEH INFRASTRUCTURE & TEH PEOPLES WILL PAY THEM DIRECTLY, WHO NEED TAXES!!!!!11!!!

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:55:41am

re: #272 WhatEVs

They’ll just shorten it to Shopped. And Adobe is getting tons of free press.

I was making fun of something that came up a few days ago about Adobe’s terms of use, which actually including rules against using photoshop, and the shorter term shop, as a verb.

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wrenchwench  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:57:36am

re: #259 ObserverArt

I have a suspicion we are going to be seeing more and more of these municipal water systems, small electrical grids, etc. failing.

Our infrastructure is sending a message to us, and it is being ignored.

Our municipal water system is installing ‘smart meters’, to the dismay of some moonbats who say they are sensitive to the electrowhatever they emit. I read a quote I will always remember (although not where I got it, sadly).

I’m a doctor, so I know electromagnetic hypersensitivity is not real. I work in psychiatry, so I know a thing does not have to be real to cause real distress.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 9:58:47am

re: #274 Belafon

I was making fun of something that came up a few days ago about Adobe’s terms of use, which actually including rules against using photoshop, and the shorter term shop, as a verb.

Good luck with that. Did they TM the word shop or shopped? If not…too bad, so sad.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:01:27am

re: #271 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

But back to Saturday’s debate, in which Trump was booed for saying George W. Bush knowingly lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq; Marco Rubio said Cruz had a “disturbing pattern” of “just … telling lies”; Trump called Jeb Bush weak and a liar and Cruz “the single biggest liar” and “a nasty guy”

i applaud them all for their newfound clarity of vision in discovering that they are all liars

It’s Friday, why not some tunes to take away from the election blues and to play on it all too.

I went to YouTube to get a video of the original version of Liar by Argent. Of course it was a huge hit for Three Dog Night, but I like the haunting original version by Argent.

Anyway…I happened to scroll down and what was the very first comment to the person that posted the vid:

radconserv68 1 year ago
I think of this song whenever Obama opens his mouth to speak.

Sigh. Good music doesn’t need this crap.

Anyway…Liar by Argent 1970

Argent - Liar [Original Version] (1970)

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CarolJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:03:28am

Introducing this to the mix-is probably the best ad so far in this election cycle:

youtube.com

Hillary is simply a class act.

I ride across a bridge that the legislators on both sides of the river know is obsolete-but they are still figuring out how to pay for the replacement. Concrete is already falling off it and there’s rust too. It was built back in the 60’s showing its age and heavily traveled taking traffic that simply didn’t exist back in the day. It’s a tribute to the workmanship that it’s still standing and still in use. But who knows when it will give way?

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rhuarc  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:03:45am

re: #277 ObserverArt

I prefer this Liar song. :)

Henry Rollins - Liar - Higher Quality

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:04:06am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

No, he is the ANTCHRIST
Embedded Image

I thought Hillary Clinton is the Antichrist? Or is it a franchise?

I haz a confuze…

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:04:26am

re: #277 ObserverArt

I love, love, love that song! Thanks!

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:05:01am

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

You think Flint is bad?

[Embedded content]

From the article:

According to the the area’s district attorney Richard Durbin, the arrested officials have not resigned from their jobs and “for the time being, they remain the elected officials and the representatives of that city.” None of these officials have spoken about the water problem, and the city’s mayor, Ricardo Lopez — who was arrested again on Tuesday for assault — has said he “will not step in another council meeting.”

A lesson in how not to govern.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:06:53am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t agree with the decision, but if that is what it takes for the present to let gay people marry over the objections of religious bigots, then I am fine with that. I am certain that they will be abolished some day when stupidity ceases to be the accepted norm of political and social discourse.

I’m fairly certain, although I cannot find the exact text to quote (I think it was in Hollingsworth v. Perry, which was the federal case against Prop 8), that at least one finding involved a right to privacy which the domestic partnerships was violating - in that requiring a specific different type of partnership violated the couple’s right to choose how and when they were public about their sexual orientation.

I would imagine that a separate marriage license only for gay people would fall under the same issue.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:09:12am

re: #280 Jay C

I thought Hillary Clinton is the Antichrist? Or is it a franchise?

I haz a confuze…

Note the misspelling.

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Tigger2  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:13:52am

People are making donations to the Malheur Refuge Center. I guess the stand off is not working out right for the Militias. It is also raising the awareness of a lot of Americans to just how important public lands are to America.

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freetoken  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:15:02am

This story is getting a little bit of coverage:

Why Science Teachers Are Struggling With Climate Change

Here’s the article in Science:

The first graphic is a bit misleading, I think.

The take-away is not really surprising, though I wonder if there is a bit of over-emphasis arising to lumping all science classes together. For example, as a chemistry teacher, climate change may not really fit in the syllabus for the class. The survey was sent out to both middle school and high school science teachers, and I think the presumption that all science classes should cover the same topic is not well founded.

Anyway, I looked at the supplemental material:

And what I think is more important, societal-wise, than the article’s main emphasis is this:

Racial differences.
Tables S5 and S6 break down the sample of audited names based on the racial composition of the sampled school. The table shows that sampled educators at majority-minority schools were (a) less likely to be confirmed as on the school’s faculty (63% compared to 78% of those teaching at majority white schools), and (b) less likely to be confirmed as an eligible science teacher (50% compared to 68% of those at majority white schools). Combined, these help to account for the much lower response rates found among teachers at majority-minority schools.

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:15:08am

re: #284 Belafon

Note the misspelling.

Oh. sorry. My confuze: up it is cleared….

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:18:07am

Well now, what’s all this?

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:18:17am

The other day, Trump pontificated that he’s got a plan to save $300 billion a year on drug prescription costs. The plan? Total BS, in part because the total spending of the nation on prescription drugs each year is $300 billion.

IF he claimed he was saving $300 billion over 10 years, I might cut him some slack - a 10% savings per year is not inconsiderable. But that’s not what he said. He wanted to cut the spending by $300 billion each year.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:20:17am

re: #196 nines09

Someone ought to ask Trump what that Lady in New York harbour is standing there for. Scrap prices are high, or she could be the new advertising tower. Bathe her in laser advertising for monthly fees. Name Ellis Island, uh, Bank One Island, or Wells Fargo Island. Rent it out to the highest bidder. This has always been a nation of contradictions. We’ve used immigrants to build our ivory towers, our railroads and pave our golden roads. Everyone outside of American Indians had a forefather come from somewhere else, and they were hated too. This is just the past showing up in new clothes.

Just so I can still get my Big Ass Fries, I don’t care.

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BeenHereAwhile  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:21:59am

re: #86 GlutenFreeJesus

Cliven Bundy has been extradited to Nevada.

Bet that was a fun ride.

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TedStriker  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:27:40am

re: #288 Emoprog Refugee

Well now, what’s all this?

[Embedded content]

Seems like said fuckhead may not get off light this time.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 19, 2016 • 10:32:43am

re: #285 Tigger2

People are making donations to the Malheur Refuge Center. I guess the stand off is not working out right for the Militias. It is also raising the awareness of a lot of Americans to just how important public lands are to America.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I saw an article in a magazine for hunting and fishing enthusiasts pointing out that public lands are what make hunting and fishing possible for people without huge personal land holdings. Privatizing the land would mean an end to such access. The people who do not get this are dupes of the Koch brothers. It’s such a shame how many “conservatives” don’t realize that liberal policies protect them from powerful interests.

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plansbandc  Feb 19, 2016 • 11:07:54am

re: #203 Lidane

Never.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 19, 2016 • 12:22:32pm

re: #104 lawhawk

Harper Lee was quite a fan of Berke Breathed.

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