SMOTI Jim Hoft IDs Kalamazoo Shooter as “Progressive” - He Worked for Progressive Insurance

Amazingly dumb even for Jim
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The fabled Stupidest Man on the Internet, Jim “Gateway Pundit” Hoft, has performed another glorious face plant for his knuckle-dragging right wing followers today, identifying the suspect in last night’s terrible random shootings in Kalamazoo, Michigan, as a “progressive leftist:” “Progressive” Jason Brian Dalton Arrested for Random Kalamazoo Shootings After Killing 6 - Was Uber Driver - The Gateway Pundit.

If you’ve followed the hopelessly dumb career of Jim Hoft for any time, you’re probably aware that he does this with every shooting incident or mass murder; tries to pin it on a “leftist.” And I do mean every incident, without fail. He’ll Google for voting records that show the perpetrator once registered as a Democrat, or find a Twitter post where they said something not entirely negative about President Obama, etc. etc.

But this one is destined to go down as a classic in the annals of ridiculous Hoftian stupidity.

Police arrested Jason Brian Dalton last night after killing six people in random shootings. Dalton described himself as a “Progressive” leftist on Facebook.
Do you think that will get any headlines?

Well, Jim, I’m pretty sure that won’t be getting any headlines. Because in fact, the guy you’re claiming is a “progressive leftist” actually was once … an employee of Progressive Insurance.

Yes, that’s the entire basis for Hoft’s attempt to pin this on “progressives.” And if you follow the links in his own blog post, that’s what the articles say. For example, Hoft links to this article at Heavy​.com, where we find:

On his Facebook page, Dalton lists his employer as Progressive Insurance, but it’s not clear if he was still working there.

I hope Jim Hoft never changes, because he’s a one-man example of the determined ignorance of the right wing movement. This is why he wins awards for “Accuracy in Media” from right wing groups.

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475 comments
1
freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:48:10am

Yup, dumbest man on the internet.

2
HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:48:45am

Does this mean the Conservative Vice Lords are for lower taxes, traditional marriage, and low spending? What a derping idiot. This is sad even for an idiot like Hoft.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:49:48am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:50:23am

Reposted from below:

Michigan has open-carry and CWL laws and none of the shootings/murders happened in a “gun-free zone”. In other words, the gun humping right-wingers are once again completely debunked and have more blood on their hands. Guns everyone = more gun crimes.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:50:35am

Uber driver.
That means he must also have been German.
And we all know Germans are Nazis…
/SMOTI indeed

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:50:36am

Goddamn, Hoft’s stupid as fuck, I mean this really takes the fucking cake.

And, his fans are even more so for believing his shit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:51:29am

re: #5 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Uber driver.
That means he must also have been German.
And we all know Germans are Nazis…
/SMOTI indeed

He breaths oxygen too and so does Obama!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:55:40am

#5, I do hope the sarcasm was obvious on that one.
;)

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ausador  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:57:05am

Wondering how dingbats like Fiore end up on the ballot?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:59:17am

re: #9 ausador

Wondering how dingbats like Fiore end up on the ballot?

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1.9%.
Good grief.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 10:59:24am

re: #5 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Uber driver.
That means he must also have been German.
And we all know Germans are Nazis…
/SMOTI indeed

And Nazis are Socialists.

I rest my case.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:03:01am
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Great White Snark  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:07:01am

re: #8 Not a Sparkly Vampire

#5, I do hope the sarcasm was obvious on that one.
;)

Me too.

Found at the crime scene…

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Thanos  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:09:07am

Because white midwestern middle aged males with moustaches, van dykes, and semi automatic pistols are most likely to be progressive, right? ////

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:09:54am

What is sad: Jim Hoft’s stupidity

What is sadder: That Jim Hoft makes a ton of money because of said stupiditiy

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:10:32am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:10:52am

Tim Cook dies…

“Yes, we believe the suspect had some kind of fruit fetish…”

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ausador  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:19:05am

“End Racism”
How, by raising the racist tax?

About as realistic as the rest of the “promises” on there I guess… :(

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:21:48am

re: #18 ausador

About as realistic as the rest of the “promises” on there I guess… :(

I honestly cannot tell you which of those policy positions (plans? dreams?) seems the least realistic. It’s a smorgasbord of unicorns, completely untethered from reality and not even trying to sound serious.

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Jayleia  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:23:07am

So, I’m a fan of professional wrestling, and, somehow that became today’s amazingly romantic moment…

Joey Ryan proposes to Laura James in the middle of their Pro Wrestling match

And no, this was not a “work”.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:24:52am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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If give anything to see Flo smack SMOTI in the face!

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Jayleia  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:27:45am

re: #21 Joe Bacon

Personally, I think her price scanner has higher than normal settings for people like him.

23
Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:31:28am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:33:29am

re: #20 Jayleia

So, I’m a fan of professional wrestling, and, somehow that became today’s amazingly romantic moment…

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Video

And no, this was not a “work”.

My wife wonders I watch the stuff. Moments like this are why.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:33:33am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Of course he doesn’t. And if you believe that I have a bridge that is for sale. ///…

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withak  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:34:46am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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Okay, Donald, then who is running your Twitter account when you retweet accounts like WhiteGenocide or whatever?

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A Mom Anon  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:36:24am

I should know better than to think things such as “why, there is no way these people could be any more willfully stupid, surely”. Because it doesn’t matter how stupid they were even 15 minutes ago, they can, oh and they will top themselves. It’s like they’re on a quest.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:36:30am

re: #18 ausador

“End Racism”
How, by raising the racist tax?

The hair in the poster looks familiar…

♪ Here comes the Sun King ♫
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:36:32am

All Trump knows is that his supporters are passionate—some passionate about white supremacy.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:36:50am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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I Know Nothing

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:41:10am

Had to shut down the computers as I was doing some cleaning around them, and with all the WiFi stuff, it is just easier to shut ‘er all down.

So when I came back in to Little Green Footballs the main story image wasn’t fully showing on my monitor. I saw the top of the glasses up and I could have sworn that the story was going to be about Glenn Beck. On first glimpse, they look so much alike. Hair. Forehead. Glasses.

And then I scrolled down and there was Hoft.

I saw Hugh Hewitt (again) on MTP earlier. Didn’t listen just saw he was yacking.

Is there a factory somewhere that turns out these guys?

RWNJ RadioRobots, Inc.?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:41:46am

Let us not forget, SMOTI helped promote the idiotic meme that Robert Lewis Dear was a “Transgendered Leftist Activist”.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:42:40am

re: #31 ObserverArt

They invade your computer and never leave. They own your hard drive. /half

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:44:15am

re: #33 PhillyPretzel

They invade your computer and never leave. They own your hard drive. /half

Worse. Hewitt is on my moving picture monitor too. Mainstream meatia!

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ausador  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:48:00am

“Bank lover”
New one for me, never seen this used as a pejorative before.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:49:37am

re: #35 ausador

“Bank lover”
New one for me, never seen this used as a pejorative before.

Poe’s Law strikes.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:51:07am

“bank lover” - I’m sure that could be worked into a song somehow.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:53:28am

“Bank Lover”? Well, I’m not stashing my money in a mattress.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:54:10am

re: #37 freetoken

“bank lover” - I’m sure that could be worked into a song somehow.

‘cause I want (I want) some cash (some cash) to call (to call) my
own (my own)
I want a bank lover so I don’t have to bank alone…

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:54:56am

re: #38 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Same here. It makes the mattress too lumpy. /half

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:56:15am

re: #40 PhillyPretzel

Same here. It makes the mattress too lumpy. /half

How do you sleep at night?

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:58:29am

With apologies to Bobby Darin:

Every night I hope and pray
A bank lover will come my way
A teller to hold in my arms
And know the magic of her charms
‘Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A teller (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah)
I want a bank lover
So I don’t have to bank alone

Bank lover, where are you
With a love, oh, so true
And the bankcard that I can hold
To swipe your card as I grow old
‘Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A teller (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah, yeah)
I want a bank lover
So I don’t have to bank alone

Someday, I don’t know how
I hope she’ll retweet my plea
Some way, I don’t know how
She’ll bring her PIN to me

Bank lover, until then
I’ll go online and bank again
That’s the only thing to do
Till all my personal retirement accounts come true
‘Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A teller (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah, yeah)
I want a bank lover
So I don’t have to bank alone

Bank lover, until then
I’ll go online and bank again
That’s the only thing to do
Till all my banker’s promises come true
‘Cause I want (yeah-yeah, yeah)
A teller (yeah-yeah, yeah)
To call (yeah-yeah, yeah)
My own (yeah-yeah)
I want a bank lover
So I don’t have to bank alone

Please don’t make me bank alone
I beg you don’t make me bank alone
No, I don’t wanna bank alone

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 11:58:50am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:05:41pm

“Hey, it’s Flo, and this is my impression of a right wing blogger reacting to a mass shooting!”

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:07:18pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:10:25pm

This is what immediately came to mind when I heard “bank lover.”

The Flying Lizards - Money

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:11:40pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:12:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:14:26pm

re: #46 Barefoot Grin

This is what immediately came to mind when I heard “bank lover.”

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I like The Beatles cover better
The Beatles - Money (That’s What I Want)

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stpaulbear  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:15:19pm

Well I’m back to the crappy old XP computer. After a short while on the new computer, some of the basic adjustments stopped working (I couldn’t adjust the width of the startup menu, clock wouldn’t set to correct time), and when I was in the settings window trying to solve the issue, the screen suddenly went crazy and started crazily flashing multi-colors. I had to force a shutdown to get it to stop. It was fine when I restarted it, but the adjustments still wouldn’t work. I’ve had it for less than two weeks so I’m going to go battle with Best Buy for an exchange/refund. Ugh.

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stpaulbear  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:17:39pm

Chuck Todd is a moron.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:17:39pm

re: #48 Kragar

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Maybe we could try running it like a government now?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:18:57pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

I like The Beatles cover better
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The Beatles’ version is great; but I do love this wigged-out video from the Flying Lizards.

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Mattand  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:19:13pm

What’s truly amazing about Hoft is he’s usually debunked by the links in his own damn posts.

I really am at a loss to name someone who even comes close to this level of incompetence, Internet-based or otherwise.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:19:46pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:20:12pm

re: #54 Mattand

What’s truly amazing about Hoft is he’s usually debunked by the links in his damn posts.

I really am at a loss to name someone who even comes close to this level of incompetence, Internet-based or otherwise.

It can’t be anything other than willful. It stirs up the chowderheads and infuriates his critics— a 2-fer.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:21:19pm

So I see Willard is looking to bestow upon Rubio the Kiss of Death. Couldn’t happen to a nicer robot.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:25:13pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Why does everyone of these morons think free speech means other people have to give them a forum to do it?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:25:50pm

I was at a gaming site when I got an advertisement from the Playstation Network.

No biggie, except the game they were showing off in prominence.

Interesting choice….

They put a 19 year old game ahead of 2 games released last year.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:26:05pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Yup. Marks Rubio as a NWO stooge as sure as anything.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

re: #58 Kragar

McCain has his own website. It’s not Twitter’s fault people don’t go there to see what he has to say.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:27:38pm

re: #58 Kragar

Why does everyone of these morons think free speech means other people have to give them a forum to do it?

This guy is just a moron. But the big name right wingers who feed them this nonsense know better. They’re just lying, as usual, to make themselves look like victims of leftist persecution.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:28:18pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:29:10pm

re: #63 Kragar

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It’s the Borowitz Report, so all the more reason to laugh.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:31:45pm
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:33:41pm

re: #63 Kragar

LOLOL

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:35:12pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:35:15pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I’m not sure whether to read that as a snooty “Bernie is an outsider!” tweet or a realist “Bernie has no support from the people he’s worked with for decades” tweet.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:35:51pm

Trump is speaking at the Georgia World Congress Center:

gwcc.com

I assume Trump is using the 1,740-seat Sidney Marcus Auditorium.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:36:05pm

By the way, the story that Sanders supporters chanted “English only” at a Nevada event was not true: snopes.com

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:36:13pm

re: #65 Kragar

I liked this reply:

Sarcasm is obvious to us I’m sure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:40:08pm

re: #65 Kragar

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I said it last night but the fact that he has three Congressional endorsements is pretty pitiful considering how long he’s been there. And it’s not just establishment and moderate types endorsing Clinton over him. It’s a lot of prominent progressive Democrats too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:40:50pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

By the way, the story that Sanders supporters chanted “English only” at a Nevada event was not true: snopes.com

I am glad because that was genuinely upsetting to hear.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:42:11pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to read that as a snooty “Bernie is an outsider!” tweet or a realist “Bernie has no support from the people he’s worked with for decades” tweet.

I read it as the latter. I really don’t think it can be dismissed honestly. HOw am I supposed to believe this guy is going to lead a social revolution when his own colleagues aren’t that enthralled?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:42:39pm

Talked to my mom about that, she said that, in a way, the fact Final Fantasy VII is still selling proves alot of the Final Fantasy VI fans wrong (Many of them bash VII).

Final Fantasy VII is still selling copies 19 years later. VI isn’t.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:43:00pm

re: #65 Kragar

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:45:29pm

We are still a long way from the June 7 primary here in California.

It’s the last one. And the big one.

Usually it means nothing as far as determining the candidate, but it might this year be Rubio’s, and the RNC’s, last stand against Trump.

I might even start seeing flyers scattered around, soon, if in Super Tuesday Trump takes a big lead.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:45:45pm

Honestly though, I think if he had done more on behalf for Democrats over the years, he’d probably have some more. You can bitch about it being politics all you want but part of being President is relationships. They said LBJ knew a litlte something about every Congressman and woman and their various needs and wants and that played a role in why he was so masterful at passing legislation. I don’t need my President to win “most likable” but I do want someone who can work with others.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:46:06pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I read it as the latter. I really don’t think it can be dismissed honestly. HOw am I supposed to believe this guy is going to lead a social revolution when his own colleagues aren’t that enthralled?

It seems more of the former, unless the top tweet is supposed to be the snide “okay, so you say that, but…” Bernie Bros seems to be totally convinced that Reid “gave” Hillary Clark County and thus the win, which is why my first instinct was read the tweet as saying Bernie’s at a disadvantage because he’s not “establishment.”

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:47:37pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Trump is a racist. His Twitter behavior should make that undeniable. You simply can’t just explain away his tweeting behavior. He actively quotes white supremacists.

Heck, he decided to quote tweet an egg from Portugal the other day as proof that he’d be good for America.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:47:58pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

It seems more of the former, unless the top tweet is supposed to be the snide “okay, so you say that, but…” Bernie Bros seems to be totally convinced that Reid “gave” Hillary Clark County and thus the win, which is why my first instinct was read the tweet as saying Bernie’s at a disadvantage because he’s not “establishment.”

I dunno, I read it the otehr way because he points out that Bernie has had a long time to build relationships with colleagues. I saw some of the ones I know calling for the results to be overturned. I really want to ask would they be saying the same thing had their guy won but I got no desire for that.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:52:39pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I dunno, I read it the otehr way because he points out that Bernie has had a long time to build relationships with colleagues. I saw some of the ones I know calling for the results to be overturned. I really want to ask would they be saying the same thing had their guy won but I got no desire for that.

That’s the problem here, Poe’s Law has gotten a serious workout in recent weeks. Bernie Bros seem to be screaming everywhere they can that this win means nothing, but it also means that she “cheated” somehow and should be invalidated or the win given to Bernie because all the entrance polls they read show Hispanics “feel the Bern.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:54:07pm

re: #48 Kragar

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But…

On the other hand, it makes me really angry. Because, despite what they say among themselves and despite what they tell John Lindstrom, their public actions and their public policies continue to take us down this road with no sign of retreat. They continue to push for privatization and to take punitive actions against municipalities who have the audacity to set their own course. Cities in Michigan can’t even pass their own civil rights ordinances thanks to actions taken by these supposed anti-Big Government patriots.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:54:44pm

Now, c’mon everybody, let’s admit it, aren’t these the kind of people who ought to be in the White House?

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:54:56pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to read that as a snooty “Bernie is an outsider!” tweet or a realist “Bernie has no support from the people he’s worked with for decades” tweet.

Brauer is a realist

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:55:25pm

re: #85 Kragar

Brauer is a realist

Cool, thanks. I think I might need a long vacation after this election. Say 4 years.

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William of Orange  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:57:02pm

Well, it must be a good thing he wasn’t working with “Conservative Insurance Inc”. That would undermine his whole assumption.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:57:38pm
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William of Orange  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:57:56pm

re: #84 freetoken

Now, c’mon everybody, let’s admit it, aren’t these the kind of people who ought to be in the White House?

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Bunch of anchor babies? *snark*

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 12:59:50pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I’m not sure whether to read that as a snooty “Bernie is an outsider!” tweet or a realist “Bernie has no support from the people he’s worked with for decades” tweet.

Has Jerome Corsi done a tell all book yet? I’m sure he could fill everyone in on the entire deep dark background of Bernie Sanders. All the dirty dealing, his foreign connections, his ties to Lenin and why he is just too much a commie for even the leftist democrats to work with him!

(Joke - most likely no one will be doing a book on Bernie…at least not yet!)

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William of Orange  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:00:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:01:40pm

re: #90 ObserverArt

(Joke - most likely no one will be doing a book on Bernie…at least not yet!)

amazon.com

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:03:02pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

It seems more of the former, unless the top tweet is supposed to be the snide “okay, so you say that, but…” Bernie Bros seems to be totally convinced that Reid “gave” Hillary Clark County and thus the win, which is why my first instinct was read the tweet as saying Bernie’s at a disadvantage because he’s not “establishment.”

Any Democrat that argues that Clinton only won because more people were allowed to vote is not Democrat/progressive/liberal.

Edited because I left out the most important word.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:03:08pm

The nationalistic-militaristic music preshow on this link:

LIVE STREAM: Donald Trump Holds Rally in Atlanta, GA (2-21-16)

… well, we warned you.

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William of Orange  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:05:13pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:05:49pm

re: #93 Belafon

Any Democrat that argues that Clinton won because more people were allowed to vote is not Democrat/progressive/liberal.

I’m not really sure what it is they’re trying to argue here anymore. They keep bringing up Reid and saying he “gave” her Clark County or something to that effect. But unless they’re alleging fraud, which I’m sure they’re probably convince it was in some way, then they are indeed trying to suggest that Reid did something to bring more people out to the caucuses in Clark. And that’s not fraud, that’s democracy, something they claim all the time to be working to “fix” by putting Bernie in the White House.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:06:20pm

re: #94 freetoken

The nationalistic-militaristic music preshow on this link:

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Video

… well, we warned you.

Makes me want to stand up, march, and maybe invade Poland.

RBS

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:07:50pm

re: #95 William of Orange

When you can make the middle class and poor pay for it - in money or in lives - it’s not called “free.” It’s called a win.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:09:44pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

And that’s not fraud, that’s democracy, something they claim all the time to be working to “fix” by putting Bernie in the White House.

Expect Berniebros [n.b. not all sanders supporters are berniebros] to become increasingly unhinged when their pet candidate deviates further from what they perceive to be the Obama victory-trajectory.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:09:46pm

re: #95 William of Orange

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This is correct.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:10:31pm

re: #98 Belafon

When you can make the middle class and poor pay for it - in money or in lives - it’s not called “free.” It’s called a win.

…I don’t need your civil war. It feeds the rich while it buries the poor…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:10:41pm

It’s not the Democratic establishment’s fault that Clinton appeals to more of the Democratic base than Sanders does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:12:36pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It’s not the Democratic establishment’s fault that Clinton appeals to more of the Democratic base than Sanders does.

Question: What blocs are the democratic base?

Minorities? Urban voters? Younger voters? Women voters?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:12:46pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

(Joke - most likely no one will be doing a book on Bernie…at least not yet!)

amazon.com

I think what he means is that Corsi always has a book saying the Democratic nominee is responsible for everything evil ever. These books don’t take long to write. I have no doubt whatsoever if Bernie were to be nominated that the same cottage industry of Clinton and Obama hate would surface as a Bernie hate industry.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:13:45pm

re: #99 Testy Toad T

Expect Berniebros [n.b. not all sanders supporters are berniebros] to become increasingly unhinged when their pet candidate deviates further from what they perceive as the Obama victory-trajectory.

I’m expecting them to spend this week getting increasingly nasty towards black voters as they find that things like “He marched with Dr. King!” are met with “And what has he done for us lately?” and his surrogates further try to guilt the black community into supporting Bernie instead of being seen as on the “Clinton plantation.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:14:11pm

re: #103 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: What blocs are the democratic base?

Minorities? Urban voters? Younger voters? Women voters?

All of them Katie. Okay, joking aside. The Democratic base is a diverse bunch- I’d say it’s educated whites, non-religious people, young people, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, and I’m sure I’m missing more. In short the Democratic base is honestly quite representative of the U.S as a whole.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:15:19pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

I’m expecting them to spend this week getting increasingly nasty towards black voters as they find that things like “He marched with Dr. King!” are met with “And what has he done for us lately?” and his surrogates further try to guilt the black community into supporting Bernie instead of being seen as on the “Clinton plantation.”

It’s going to be nasty. I expect some of them will try to hide it behind South bashing. The excuses I saw yesterday were millionaires in Clark County.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:17:21pm

I don’t think either Bernie or Clinton can pull in black voters like Obama did. How big of a difference that will make in the results is anybody guess.

But I do honestly believe Hillary and Bernie are weaker candidates than Obama was.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:17:42pm

re: #9 ausador

Wondering how dingbats like Fiore end up on the ballot?

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Nevada is a very transient state; a huge percentage of the population is from somewhere else, and is probably headed somewhere else soon. Not a group known for its regular voting habits.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:18:24pm

Nice curtains Jim. Did mom pick them out?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:19:13pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Things to keep in mind.

What has Bernie done re: minorities? Historical presence in civil rights movement, thinks economic advancement will help minorities.
What has Hillary done re: minorities? Ongoing outreach with civil rights movement. Works closely with leading civil rights leaders in and out of the establishment.

What has any of the GOP done re: minorities? Looks to gut the civil rights act, voting rights act, eliminate economic opportunities, etc.

Yeah, there’s no difference between the parties. None at all. Nosiree.

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gwangung  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:19:55pm

re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg

But I do honestly believe Hillary and Bernie are weaker candidates than Obama was.

I think Obama’s under-rated as a candidate and as a politician. Being weaker than Obama is the norm for MANY politicians.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:19:55pm

Milo Yeahimadumbass is still Tweeting all over Twitter complaining about how Twitter is doing Teh Censorship & Silencings!!! to him…

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:19:56pm

re: #108 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t think either Bernie or Clinton can pull in black voters like Obama did. How big of a difference that will make in the results is anybody guess.

But I do honestly believe Hillary and Bernie are weaker candidates than Obama was.

The current upside is that the GOP’s best weapon against either of them is presently engaged in a game musical chairs with Tailgunner Ted while the guy that both Hillary and Bernie beat in match-ups has already put himself on the road to the nomination by winning two of the first three events by wide margins. If Rubiobot and Tailgunner are still around come Super Tuesday, it may be all over for the GOP but the crying.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:20:42pm

re: #19 Testy Toad T

I honestly cannot tell you which of those policy positions (plans? dreams?) seems the least realistic. It’s a smorgasbord of unicorns, completely untethered from reality and not even trying to sound serious.

Bernie is trying to remake the Democrats into an ideologically progressive party, a mirror image of the GOP, rather than a party of groups allied together to achieve particular useful policy results. Thus his list of issues is not a practical agenda but rather a signal of his tribal membership.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:21:17pm

re: #111 lawhawk

Things to keep in mind.

What has Bernie done re: minorities? Historical presence in civil rights movement, thinks economic advancement will help minorities.
What has Hillary done re: minorities? Ongoing outreach with civil rights movement. Works closely with leading civil rights leaders in and out of the establishment.

What has any of the GOP done re: minorities? Looks to gut the civil rights act, voting rights act, eliminate economic opportunities, etc.

Yeah, there’s no difference between the parties. None at all. Nosiree.

Exactly. This is an issue where the two parties couldn’t be anymoer different. Don’t forget teh GOP’s constant condescending to minority voters too telling them they just vote Democratic because of “Free stuff.”

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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:21:49pm

Trump is George Wallace with a little bit of Perot thrown in; Cruz is Nixon merged with Joe McCarthy; Rubio is a better looking, slightly more charismatic Dan Quayle; and Carson is the answer to the question nobody ever asked, “What if Michele Bachmann was a black male brain surgeon?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:22:35pm

re: #117 gocart mozart

Trump is George Wallace with a little bit of Perot thrown in; Cruz is Nixon merged with Joe McCarthy; Rubio is a better looking, slightly more charismatic Dan Quayle; and Carson is the answer to the question nobody ever asked, “What if Michele Bachmann was a black male brain surgeon?”

Brilliant.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:22:42pm

Missing from any Republican conversation (except yesterday in VT, Kasich acknowledging global warming) is this:

Arctic Sea Ice Extent record low at this time of year:

Image: N_stddev_timeseries.png

Global sea ice area at lowest since satellite records:

Image: global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:25:05pm

re: #112 gwangung

I think Obama’s under-rated as a candidate and as a politician. Being weaker than Obama is the norm for MANY politicians.

Add the estimated 2-3% of the vote that is estimated Obama did not get because he was black (and assume that at most there would have been 1% fewer votes for McCain), and think of how large a victory any other person of his caliber would have gotten.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:25:21pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

(Joke - most likely no one will be doing a book on Bernie…at least not yet!)

amazon.com

Oh well. I should have done a search. You can’t run for President and not have some books about you…from all sides.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:27:46pm

It’s weird. I don’t normally take a nap, but today I just feel like a nap this late afternoon. I’ll be back in a while after I check my eyelids for light leaks.

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:28:00pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

The current upside is that the GOP’s best weapon against either of them is presently engaged in a game musical chairs with Tailgunner Ted while the guy that both Hillary and Bernie beat in match-ups has already put himself on the road to the nomination by winning two of the first three events by wide margins. If Rubiobot and Tailgunner are still around come Super Tuesday, it may be all over for the GOP but the crying.

It probably won’t be that clean, a lot can happen between here and the general, especially if a bunch Bernie backers can’t stomach Hillary and sit it out in November. I don’t think the possibility of a Republican in the White House is as unlikely as we might think.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:30:47pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

It probably won’t be that clean, a lot can happen between here and the general, especially if a bunch Bernie backers can’t stomach Hillary and sit it out in November. I don’t think the possibility of a Republican in the White House is as unlikely as we might think.

A lot can happen, and I don’t disagree with that. But I like to entertain this tiny spark of faith that a majority of Americans will, when they get to the polls, stop and think “Holy fuck, Donald Trump could be our next president?!”

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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:31:32pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:35:27pm

Another thing to bear in mind when look at the numbers of people showing up at the primaries/caucuses for the DNC is that A) it’s not a very big field and B) there’s not really a major difference between the candidates. It could just as well be that many people like myself are just waiting for the mess to be over before beginning the heavy lifting of getting that nominee in the White House. Certainly polls earlier this week show that there’s no lack of enthusiasm for the candidates.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:35:56pm

He’s on….

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:37:43pm

Hell, look at it this way, it’s usually about this time in every election cycle that the pundits start talking about “Republican enthusiasm” and “Democratic ennui” and speculating about how that could be a big game changer come November.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:37:48pm

“you’re going to love winning…”

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Le Lapin Tueur  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:38:42pm

re: #84 freetoken

Ivanka’s got some serious man-hands there. Ok, uncalled for, but.

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Jenner7  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:41:11pm
As Sarandon correctly stated, the segment in dispute started around the 53:30 mark, when parties called for a Spanish-language translator. As she indicated, at 55:18 the caucus moderator (not Sanders’ supporters) simply stated that the inability to locate a neutral translator meant the caucus would continue in “English only.” At no point did any Sanders supporters appear to have refused a translator based on the fact that translation was objectionable to them; nor was “English only” used in a pejorative fashion. The term was invoked a single time, during the moderator’s assertion that no suitable translator was located to provide Spanish-language translations:

Yes, but why clap after they announce “English Only”? I think it’s crap they wouldn’t allow her to translate.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:42:01pm

“I love this tweeting…”

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:43:52pm

“I love the women…” “I won with men” … “I’d rather win with the women..”

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:44:18pm

re: #131 Jenner7

Yes, but why clap after they announce “English Only”? I think it’s crap they wouldn’t allow her to translate.

I suspect people would have clapped had the moderator announced “garbage will be picked up 15 minutes before the ceremony ends.” It’s kind of a crowd thing.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:45:01pm

re: #134 Belafon

I suspect people would have clapped had the moderator announced “garbage will be picked up 15 minutes before the ceremony ends.” It’s kind of a crowd thing.

Why do people clap in movie theaters?

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:45:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:46:40pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:48:34pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s false! We all know global warming stopped years ago!

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:49:44pm

.. now leading cheers to turn off the TV lighting…

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:50:10pm

… so now there is just ugly blue-green lighting ….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:50:21pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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137 years is too short a time to determine a trend, but one cold day means Global Warming is a hoax!

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:52:32pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

137 years is too short a time to determine a trend, but one cold day means Global Warming is a hoax!

Unless March does something really weird here, and it could since this is Texas, I don’t think what we’ve had here could be counted as winter. What will happen is they’ll blame it on the really large El Nino, and ignore you when you try to explain why the El Nino was so large.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:55:31pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

That’s false! We all know global warming stopped years ago!

And here’s proof global warming is nonsense…
A panda playing in the snow in Toronto last week…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:57:04pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What’s especially interesting to me are the disturbances in the trend lining up roughly with WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Correlation doesn’t equal causation, and I don’t think increased greenhouse gas output from war vehicles causes spikes on that fine a level. WW2 almost certainly caused a small measurable rise in atmospheric particulates from dust and smoke, but normally that contributes to cooling. I’d be interested to hear professional opinion on this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:58:05pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 1:58:20pm

Rinsed looks like he’s on some heavy-duty tranquilizers by this point.

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danarchy  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:01:00pm

re: #75 Ziggy_TARDIS

Talked to my mom about that, she said that, in a way, the fact Final Fantasy VII is still selling proves alot of the Final Fantasy VI fans wrong (Many of them bash VII).

Final Fantasy VII is still selling copies 19 years later. VI isn’t.

Square Enix is doing a Final Fantasy VII remake this year which probably explains the renewed interest.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:01:06pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

He looks severely constipated.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:01:08pm

re: #144 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wonder if there were disruptions on measurements.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:02:38pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

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Rinsed looks like he’s on some heavy-duty tranquilizers by this point.

Being in charge of a party means having to play bouncer every now and then but Reice let a lampshade wearing Donald come in and puke all over the carpet.

And he’s still there.

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:02:44pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

For the Republican party to become a party that a civilized person can vote for, it needs to make at least three essential reforms:

1) Drop the bigotry, including all dog-whistling of people’s irrational resentments.

2) Stop eroding church-state separation.

3) Stop rejecting reality.

Like this will ever happen.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:03:24pm

re: #148 freetoken

He looks severely constipated.

He looks a hell of a lot older than he did 6 months ago, that’s for sure.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:04:26pm

re: #147 danarchy

Square Enix is doing a Final Fantasy VII remake this year which probably explains the renewed interest.

Remakes is more like it, as they’re apparently cutting it into multiple parts that they promise will each be the same length as a full game.

Any gamer who knows the phrase “vaporware” should be getting very uncomfortable right about now.

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Nojay UK  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:04:35pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

Snow is the result of warm oceanic water being evaporated and falling as precipitation in cooling air which can’t retain the moisture. Despite what you see in the movies, it very rarely snows at the poles because it’s actually too cold and the air has almost zero humidity. The South Pole gets less than ten centimetres of rainfall each year, effectively desert conditions. It never gets above freezing there so any snowfall turns to ice and never melts.

More radiant energy being trapped by increasing amounts of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane means warmer surface waters in the oceans which means greater amounts of evaporation and the result will be more rain and snow on land, although it may be distributed unevenly. The recent heavy snows in the north-eastern US were not accompanied by record cold temperatures, there was just a lot of precipitation that needed to be shovelled away.

The extra thermal energy trapped in the air will generally lead to more and stronger weather formations such as tornadoes, cyclones, monsoons and the like. Interesting times…

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:06:24pm

re: #150 b.d.

Being in charge of a party means having to play bouncer every now and then but Reice let a lampshade wearing Donald come in and puke all over the carpet.

And he’s still there.

I don’t think ‘let’ is correct here. The GOP establishment knows exactly what has happened. They have created an army of millions of heavily propagandized pig-people because this was a very convenient way to win elections. No need to bother with trying to craft policies that make sense in the real world.

Now Trump has come along and is better at hog-calling than anyone in the GOP establishment dares to be. What exactly can the GOP establishment do about Trump, without fatally alienating the pig-people?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:06:38pm

re: #152 b.d.

He looks a hell of a lot older than he did 6 months ago, that’s for sure.

Extreme stress can do that to a person. See also: Obama, Barack.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:07:43pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

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Rinsed looks like he’s on some heavy-duty tranquilizers by this point.

“I’m sorry… I’m high as fuck right now. President Donald Duck? Buhuhuhaha!”

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:07:54pm

My brother, a Nazarene minister, and his girlfriend attended a concert by the Australian Christian Rock band Hillsong United last night in Lubbock. They were met by a raucous mob of what he described as “Pentecostalist” protesters armed with a bullhorn and large printed signs. The nutburgers were screeching that Christian Rock is “of the devil” and that concert goers would go to hell for listening to it. I couldn’t find a word about the protesters in the Lubbock media but apparently this kind of Westboro style demonstration has been a regular feature of Christian Rock concerts around the country for a couple of years.
I found this story, with some good pics, about an incident at a concert by Switchfoot in Baton Rouge a couple of years ago. Angry Protesters Said the Band Was Going to Hell, but the Way This Rockstar Reacted Will Blow You Away. The kooks in that incident were from “Consuming Fire Ministries” in Gloster Mississippi. Note the style of clothing.

Their website hasn’t been updated in a while but their honcho, one Charlie Kennon, has this to say on his Facebook page:

CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) is perhaps the most toxic, deceptive, and destructive spiritual leaven being used by Satan in this hour to sow his seeds of worldliness and rebellion in the hearts of youth and new converts. I have tragically witnessed many unwilling to sacrifice their sacred Idol of music allowing God to personally and deeply apply the sword of His Word to their heart bringing about the spiritually essential division between Soul and Spirit in this area. Any Spiritual authority who does not expose this spiritual wolf and utterly hew this other “jesus” to pieces, forbiding any partaking whatsoever of this leaven is neither being loving nor faithful in their stewardship.

He is also against books (other than the Bible):

“One does not develop character by reading books but through conflict.” Leonard Ravenhill

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:08:28pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Remakes is more like it, as they’re apparently cutting it into multiple parts that they promise will each be the same length as a full game.

Any gamer who knows the phrase “vaporware” should be getting very uncomfortable right about now.

We’ll see. I don’t think any company could be stupid enough to announce something like a FFVII remake, and then have it not happen. Then again, Square-Enix decision making is spotty, at best.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:09:31pm

re: #144 Pawn of the Oppressor

What’s especially interesting to me are the disturbances in the trend lining up roughly with WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Correlation doesn’t equal causation, and I don’t think increased greenhouse gas output from war vehicles causes spikes on that fine a level. WW2 almost certainly caused a small measurable rise in atmospheric particulates from dust and smoke, but normally that contributes to cooling. I’d be interested to hear professional opinion on this.

I would think there would have been a big increase in emissions as manufacturing slowed by the Depression was mobilized to produce war material.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:09:58pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Remakes is more like it, as they’re apparently cutting it into multiple parts that they promise will each be the same length as a full game.

Any gamer who knows the phrase “vaporware” should be getting very uncomfortable right about now.

Sigh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:10:22pm

I got an RNC “official congressional district questionnaire” from Reince in the mail yesterday.

What a load of codswallop.

Trying to decide if it’s worth my time and the cost of a first class stamp to deal with it or just toss it into the paper shredder.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:11:31pm

… still on the good-guy-with-a-gun fantasy….

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:11:36pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

I got an RNC “official congressional district questionnaire” from Reince in the mail yesterday.

What a load of codswallop.

Trying to decide if it’s worth my time and the cost of a first class stamp to deal with it or just toss it into the paper shredder.

If it isn’t return postage paid, pitch it. If return postage is paid, entertain yourself.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:12:51pm

re: #155 EPR-radar

I don’t think ‘let’ is correct here. The GOP establishment knows exactly what has happened. They have created an army of millions of heavily propagandized pig-people because this was a very convenient way to win elections. No need to bother with trying to craft policies that make sense in the real world.

Now Trump has come along and is better at hog-calling than anyone in the GOP establishment dares to be. What exactly can the GOP establishment do about Trump, without fatally alienating the pig-people?

The only thing I think that they actually could have done was to alter the debate formats (that’s the only string they really have to pull?) to be about in depth policy positions and honest ways to make them happen but that wouldn’t exactly let their other candidates shine either.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:13:15pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

We’ll see. I don’t think any company could be stupid enough to announce something like a FFVII remake, and then have it not happen. Then again, Square-Enix decision making is spotty, at best.

I remember when Valve promised three “episodes” after Half-Life 2 that would be released on a regular schedule, followed by the long-awaited release of Half-Life 3. Episode 1 released slightly late, Episode 2 was months late, and Episode 3 and Half-Life 3 have disappeared under Valve’s obsessions with bilking TFers out of money with hats and building their own gaming systems. The company’s taken now to effectively telling fans to stop asking when HL3 will see the light of day.

So yeah, I’m sort of ambivalent about Square-Enix promising the game released in multiple parts with each part being the length of a full game. I expect I’ll be hearing a year from now about how Part 2 is again being delayed and Part 3 is lost somewhere beyond the orbit of Saturn.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:14:37pm

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

I would think there would have been a big increase in emissions as manufacturing slowed by the Depression was mobilized to produce war material.

Mount Vesuvius also erupted in 1944. So it would have contributed as well.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:15:05pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

I got an RNC “official congressional district questionnaire” from Reince in the mail yesterday.

What a load of codswallop.

Trying to decide if it’s worth my time and the cost of a first class stamp to deal with it or just toss it into the paper shredder.

If there is a way to respond which promotes sanity, it might be worth your time, however slight the effect. But I assume the questions are loaded to reach a pre-determined conclusion.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:15:25pm

Part 1 would go up to escaping Midgar.
Part 2 would go up to the Ancient City.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:15:55pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

If it isn’t return postage paid, pitch it. If return postage is paid, entertain yourself.

If it is return postage paid, glue a brick to it.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:16:04pm

re: #169 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Part 1 would go up to escaping Midgar.
Part 2 would go up to the Ancient City.

Are there giant eagles involved?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:17:48pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

My brother, a Nazarene minister, and his girlfriend attended a concert by the Australian Christian Rock band Hillsong United last night in Lubbock. They were met by a raucous mob of what he described as “Pentecostalist” protesters armed with a bullhorn and large printed signs. The nutburgers were screeching that Christian Rock is “of the devil” and that concert goers would go to hell for listening to it. I couldn’t find a word about the protesters in the Lubbock media but apparently this kind of Westboro style demonstration has been a regular feature of Christian Rock concerts around the country for a couple of years.
I found this story, with some good pics, about an incident at a concert by Switchfoot in Baton Rouge a couple of years ago. Angry Protesters Said the Band Was Going to Hell, but the Way This Rockstar Reacted Will Blow You Away. The kooks in that incident were from “Consuming Fire Ministries” in Gloster Mississippi. Note the style of clothing.

Their website hasn’t been updated in a while but their honcho, one Charlie Kennon, has this to say on his Facebook page:

He is also against books (other than the Bible):

Fascinating. As I mentioned yesterday, I’m reading a new book about the Salem witch hunt right now and the parallels with this kind of thought are frightening—Satan is everywhere at once sowing deception to lure our souls to hell. The author notes that Isaac Newton, John Locke, and others we associate with the scientific revolution and enlightenment were only “rational” in some respects; they all believed in a devil with agency. That was a majority view back then. I hope it isn’t anything close to that now, but it’s amazing to see that it still has some currency.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:20:09pm

So far no new material… just recycled old material.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:20:33pm

40 minutes of rambling and nothing new so far…

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:20:41pm

Il Duce indeed.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:21:59pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

But the Daily Caller says that this stuff simply isn’t true.

Where do you think the right wing rubes are getting their info from. They don’t care about facts or logic.

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:22:11pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

…I don’t need your civil war. It feeds the rich while it buries the poor…

“What’s so so civil about war anyway?”

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:22:24pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Good thing I’m not in to games like HL.
That would’ve driven me bonkers.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:23:49pm

re: #178 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Good thing I’m not in to games like HL.
That would’ve driven me bonkers.

About the only disappointment I’ve received in recent months was the announcement that Silent Hills was canceled because of a spat between Konami and Hideo Kojima. And for once, it sounds like it was Konami in the wrong rather than Kojima being a drama queen again.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:26:21pm

re: #173 freetoken

So far no new material… just recycled old material.

re: #174 freetoken

40 minutes of rambling and nothing new so far…

Maybe he can get to the point where they show him on big screens and play prerecorded Trumpisms and they don’t need TRUMP®. In true corporate Orwellian control style.

He can give the entire country rallies. Just go to your local mall, public theater or other big civic buildings. All prerecorded. But TRUMP!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:28:16pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

I actually like this.

Because a good chunk of why FF15 has taken so long to get here was they were trying to shove through an old-style Final Fantasy completely through on Current Gen systems.

And Final Fantasy VII has great heaping gouts cut out of it to get released. I’d rather get a fragmented, more detailed game in parts, with the first part coming out sooner.

I think the 1st Part of the Remake will be here by some point next year.

Should be able to get 10+ million in sales.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:29:47pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

About the only disappointment I’ve received in recent months was the announcement that Silent Hills was canceled because of a spat between Konami and Hideo Kojima. And for once, it sounds like it was Konami in the wrong rather than Kojima being a drama queen again.

Heh, had to do a double take on that one.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:31:33pm

re: #174 freetoken

40 minutes of rambling and nothing new so far…

Live Bernie rally on CSPAN now.

Unmuted it because they had Danny Glover up there for some reason.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:31:49pm

“I love my people…”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:32:08pm

re: #131 Jenner7

Yes, but why clap after they announce “English Only”? I think it’s crap they wouldn’t allow her to translate.

How paranoid were they to think they needed a neutral translator, especially with cameras rolling? We also don’t know exactly what was said to Huerta, as many of the crowd’s comments on that tape weren’t exactly coherently captured by the mic.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:33:13pm

This guitar looks like something straight out of a cyberpunk game:

indiegogo.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:33:36pm

re: #183 b.d.

Live Bernie rally on CSPAN now.

Unmuted it because they had Danny Glover up there for some reason.

Bernie’s really picking up the Hugo Chavez Hollywood booster vote.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:34:04pm

re: #181 Ziggy_TARDIS

I should note that the main arc of Final Fantasy 8 was heavily based on an abandoned side plot in Final Fantasy 7, involving Sorceresses being related to the power of Jenova.

So, Final Fantasy VII already had this happen once. And to be honest, I know for a fact that, had FFVII not been rushed out the door, it would be my favourite game, over Final Fantasy VIII.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:35:27pm

Well, that was 50 minutes of nothing new.

The crowd seemed quite enthusiastic.

Polling suggests that Rubio is pressuring Trump in GA. We will see.

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scottslemmons  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:35:47pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

My brother, a Nazarene minister, and his girlfriend attended a concert by the Australian Christian Rock band Hillsong United last night in Lubbock. They were met by a raucous mob of what he described as “Pentecostalist” protesters armed with a bullhorn and large printed signs. The nutburgers were screeching that Christian Rock is “of the devil” and that concert goers would go to hell for listening to it. I couldn’t find a word about the protesters in the Lubbock media but apparently this kind of Westboro style demonstration has been a regular feature of Christian Rock concerts around the country for a couple of years.
I found this story, with some good pics, about an incident at a concert by Switchfoot in Baton Rouge a couple of years ago. Angry Protesters Said the Band Was Going to Hell, but the Way This Rockstar Reacted Will Blow You Away. The kooks in that incident were from “Consuming Fire Ministries” in Gloster Mississippi. Note the style of clothing.

Their website hasn’t been updated in a while but their honcho, one Charlie Kennon, has this to say on his Facebook page:

He is also against books (other than the Bible):

Sounds like the whackaloons from “Repent Amarillo.” Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re roaming elsewhere around the Panhandle. :/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:36:00pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

How paranoid were they to think they needed a neutral translator, especially with cameras rolling? We also don’t know exactly what was said to Huerta, as many of the crowd’s comments on that tape weren’t exactly coherently captured by the mic.

That’s what gets me too. That they’re paranoid. Anyhow I think Huerta made some great points about Sanders’ actual immigration record which are concerning.

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scottslemmons  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:38:02pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

About the only disappointment I’ve received in recent months was the announcement that Silent Hills was canceled because of a spat between Konami and Hideo Kojima. And for once, it sounds like it was Konami in the wrong rather than Kojima being a drama queen again.

It might be coming baaack. Kojima and Reedus have been tweeting stuff that sounds like they’re still working together…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:38:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:38:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:39:29pm

re: #192 scottslemmons

It might be coming baaack. Kojima and Reedus have been tweeting stuff that sounds like they’re still working together…

Man I hope so. Silent Hill was always I think one of the scariest and most surreal series. Liked it better than Resident Evil.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:41:50pm

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

Bernie’s really picking up the Hugo Chavez Hollywood booster vote.

I guess Sean Penn was too busy writing a 29,000 word screed about his trip to the grocery store.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:42:04pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Man I hope so. Silent Hill was always I think one of the scariest and most surreal series. Liked it better than Resident Evil.

I always like the Fatal Frame and Corpse Party series.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:42:15pm

re: #192 scottslemmons

It might be coming baaack. Kojima and Reedus have been tweeting stuff that sounds like they’re still working together…

Yeah, I was just reading that Kojima and del Toro were interviewed the other day saying they still want to work together on a major project. The problem is that Konami owns the rights to the Silent Hill franchise, and given the messy divorce between them and Kojima, I don’t see them allowing the final product to be a Silent Hill game.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:42:28pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:42:43pm

re: #197 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I always like the Fatal Frame and Corpse Party series.

Never played those.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:42:54pm

re: #189 freetoken

Well, that was 50 minutes of nothing new.

The crowd seemed quite enthusiastic.

Polling suggests that Rubio is pressuring Trump in GA. We will see.

Rubio better actually win a primary instead of “win” a primary on Super Tuesday, or its going to start to get hard to pretend he’s the favorite in this race.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:43:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:43:57pm

re: #201 Big Beautiful Door

Rubio better actually win a primary instead of “win” a primary on Super Tuesday, or its going to start to get hard to pretend he’s the favorite in this race.

I suspect Trump will have fun with that fact.

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scottslemmons  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:44:28pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Man I hope so. Silent Hill was always I think one of the scariest and most surreal series. Liked it better than Resident Evil.

I just read something about a game called “Layers of Fear” in which the creators said they were inspired by P.T. The trailers look interesting, but I hear it isn’t too frightening, just deeply eerie…

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:44:36pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

First linky no worky.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:44:41pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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When Hillary’s campaign kept reporters behind a rope and a distance away from her during a campaign stop, the press raised all sorts of hell about her trying to “control” them and how she didn’t respect their importance to democracy.

But Trump’s campaign has been keeping reporters isolated, prevented them from getting close to him unless he willed it, and been shit upon for months by him, and it wasn’t worthy of comment.

It’s a little late in this relationship to suddenly get angry that your boyfriend farts in bed, Chuck.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:47:39pm

re: #202 freetoken

Since when is it Chuck’s job to tell a candidate what to do?

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:47:54pm
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:48:20pm

re: #143 FormerDirtDart

And here’s proof global warming is nonsense…
A panda playing in the snow in Toronto last week…

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That was the first snow we’ve had in Toronto.

Note: It’s February, in Toronto, and last week was the first real snow we’ve had.

Nope, no such thing as anthropogenic climate change. Nope. /

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Mattand  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:49:10pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:49:20pm

Right now I’d wager that Chuck is desperately looking through old Bernie & Hillary crowd footage so he can claim that “both sides do it”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:49:28pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Now Chuck’s feefees are hurt….

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:49:42pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

If it isn’t return postage paid, pitch it. If return postage is paid, entertain yourself.

Wrap it around a brick and drop it in a mailbox.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:49:46pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:50:00pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

Right now, I am waiting for 5 games. Once three of them is out, and I have the money, I will get a PS4.

Final Fantasy XV
Kingdom Hearts 3
Deus Ex:Mankind Divided
Ace Combat 7
Final Fantasy VII Remake-Part 1

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Ming5000  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:50:56pm

From PoliticusUSA, CNN Transcript.
This struck me about the caliber of HRC vs her GOP opponents.

TAPPER: As a former secretary of state, I really am interested in your views…

Donald Trump was asked this week about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and he said — quote — “Let me be sort of a neutral guy. I don’t want to say whose fault it is. I don’t think it helps.”

Now, Senator Ted Cruz, on the other hand, said — quote — “I have no intention of being neutral.” He would be standing by Israel.

CLINTON: Well, I think both of them missed the mark.

First of all, Israel is our partner, our ally. We have longstanding and important ties with Israelis going back to the formation of the state of Israel. I will defend and do everything I can to support Israel, particularly as the neighborhood around it seems to become more dangerous and difficult.

I also believe the Palestinians deserve to have a state of their own. That’s why I support a two-state solution. That’s what I have worked on. That’s what I tried to move forward when I was secretary, and holding three very intense conversations between the prime minister of Israel and the president of the Palestinian Authority.

Those are not mutually exclusive. I happen to think that moving toward a two-state solution, trying to provide more support for the aspirations of the Palestinian people is in the long-term best interests of Israel, as well as the region, and, of course, the people themselves.

So, I don’t think either of the answers you just relayed to me really grapple with the challenges that we have to continue to work to overcome.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:51:34pm

There’s no easier punching bag than the media because they suck out loud at their job.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:51:51pm

re: #202 freetoken

So Toad just noticed that Hitler doesn’t like the Jews? Stop the presses!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:51:59pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:53:00pm

re: #212 Eric The Fruit Bat

Since the political media in the US hasn’t done their jobs for the entirely of this century so far, I think a certain amount of knee-jerk media bashing is justified.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:53:32pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:53:56pm

re: #216 Ming5000

I admit, none of the candidates are where my position is. I side with the Palestinians, though not with either Hamas or Fatah.

I was already critical of the occupation, but the nastiness of the last war pushed me completely Pro-Palestinian position.

I will note, that by out right saying we favor Israel, we are also saying that we are not neutral, and will push the Palestinians to take an unfair agreement that give Isreal most of the Settlements and water rights.

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:54:05pm

re: #215 Ziggy_TARDIS

Right now, I am waiting for 5 games. Once three of them is out, and I have the money, I will get a PS4.

Final Fantasy XV
Kingdom Hearts 3
Deus Ex:Mankind Divided
Ace Combat 7
Final Fantasy VII Remake-Part 1

I got a PS4 for Disgaea 5. Am looking forward to FFXV and the FFVII remake(s).

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:54:28pm

Chuck accusing others of being intellectually lazy?
Priceless.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:55:41pm

re: #212 Eric The Fruit Bat

Now Chuck’s feefees are hurt….

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Chuck, you’re a guy who’s gone on record as saying it’s not his job to correct politicians.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:55:56pm

re: #216 Ming5000

Cont.

Tapper: I’m sorry Mrs. Clinton I have to pause for a Donald Trump newsflash. Now let’s go to Mark Halparin for the juicy deets!

//

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wrenchwench  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:56:24pm

re: #216 Ming5000

Welcome, hatchling.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:56:27pm

re: #215 Ziggy_TARDIS

Right now, I am waiting for 5 games. Once three of them is out, and I have the money, I will get a PS4.

Final Fantasy XV
Kingdom Hearts 3
Deus Ex:Mankind Divided
Ace Combat 7
Final Fantasy VII Remake-Part 1

Those are the two big games on my list right now, or rather mine and my sister’s.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:56:52pm

Funny. The game I’m about half done with now is Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. Why this elderly game? Well, a very recent port to Android and a free offer from Amazon means I can play it on my tablet. :) Fun game.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:57:04pm

Definitely feeling hurt:

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:57:20pm
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:57:32pm

re: #229 William Lewis

Funny. The game I’m about half done with now is Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. Why this elderly game? Well, a very recent port to Android and a free offer from Amazon means I can play it on my tablet. :) Fun game.

That is a great game.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:58:03pm

re: #222 Ziggy_TARDIS

I admit, none of the candidates are where my position is. I side with the Palestinians, though not with either Hamas or Fatah.

I was already critical of the occupation, but the nastiness of the last war pushed me completely Pro-Palestinian position.

I will note, that by out right saying we favor Israel, we are also saying that we are not neutral, and will push the Palestinians to take an unfair agreement that give Isreal most of the Settlements and water rights.

Not necessarily. I favor my kids, but am very forceful about them doing things fairly.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 2:58:53pm

re: #233 Belafon

I’ll believe that when I see it in regards to Israel.

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Mattand  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:00:54pm

re: #212 Eric The Fruit Bat

Now Chuck’s feefees are hurt….

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:01:09pm

re: #222 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was already critical of the occupation, but the nastiness of the last war pushed me completely Pro-Palestinian position.

I will note, that by out right saying we favor Israel, we are also saying that we are not neutral, and will push the Palestinians to take an unfair agreement that give Isreal most of the Settlements and water rights.

When Rabin offered Arafar 98% of what he wanted… Arafat blew it off and started an intifada. An agreement that was so pro-Palestinian it got Rabin killed.

When Sharon unilaterally pulled out of Gaza, giving the Palestinians complete control and a whole lot of infrastructure, the Palestinians demolished the infrastructure to use the materials to build rockets.

But hey, you’re 100% on the side of people who share your faith. Because facts on the ground are meaningless when it’s people who pray the same way you do.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:02:18pm

re: #235 Mattand

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Simple, that’s not his job!
Ugh.

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b.d.  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:03:32pm

re: #230 freetoken

Definitely feeling hurt:

[Embedded content]

But less than an hour before her chiding tweet Joan tweeted this:

Check thyself Joan.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:03:52pm

I was looking at the game “Unravel”, anyone play it yet?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:04:48pm

re: #236 sagehen

To be honest, it’s simply flabbergasting to me how many Americans put so much heart into somebody else’s conflict. There have got to be a million people in this country who have never given that much of a crap about one of our wars.

And of course half of those will piss and moan out the side of their mouth about how we shouldn’t be Team America World Police or whatever.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:08:06pm

Is Bernie trying to go longer that Trump?

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wrenchwench  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:08:15pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

How paranoid were they to think they needed a neutral translator, especially with cameras rolling? We also don’t know exactly what was said to Huerta, as many of the crowd’s comments on that tape weren’t exactly coherently captured by the mic.

Oh hi. I was over on a sleeping Page, posting this:

re: #9 Nyet

For the purposes of correction: the claim turned out to be false.

I can see why some anonymous moderator would think Huerta, although a long-term Hillary supporter, might not be neutral enough to translate for those who asked for it. She’s an Honorary Chair of Democratic Socialists of America.

They should have been offering her chairs and microphones and water and gratitude.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:08:30pm

re: #190 scottslemmons

Not sure if it was them but the MO fits. “Repent Amarillo” is a big enough deal to have its own Wikipedia page and to be declared a hate group by the SPLC.
The group was the subject of a post here by Charles back in 2010.
The Texas Taliban
This was quoted at Think Progress. Christian Hate Group ‘Repent Amarillo’ Terrorizes Texas Town, Harassing Gays, Liberals, And Other ‘Sinners’

Amazingly, the alpha baboon of this wretched troop, one David Grisham, calls President Obama a terrorist but is employed by Department of Energy as a security guard. In Amarillo, this would almost certainly be the Pantex nuclear weapons plant. How this is possible is a great question but it’s worth noting that several of the Westboro Baptist kooks are attorneys employed by the State of Kansas.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:09:37pm

re: #243 Shiplord Kirel

He is not employed there now. He was fired in 2011.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:10:27pm

Bernie sez my ancestors 50 years ago could go to major universities for almost no money.

Well, no.

First, most people 50 years ago didn’t go to universities.

And while California had minimal tuition/fees for their public schools, that was hardly true everywhere.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:11:00pm

re: #243 Shiplord Kirel

Most of the employees at the defense contractor I work at are conservatives, and we’re talking easily over 75%.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:14:30pm

re: #245 freetoken

Bernie sez my ancestors 50 years ago could go to major universities for almost no money.

Well, no.

First, most people 50 years ago didn’t go to universities.

And while California had minimal tuition/fees for their public schools, that was hardly true everywhere.

When I graduated from the University of Texas at Dallas in 2005, the school’s president told of how, when he graduated in the early 70s, it cost a student a few hundred dollars for four years. He made the point of saying that taxpayers paid for $12 for every $1 a student paid. By the time I graduated, it had fallen to something well below dollar for dollar (I don’t remember the exact number).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:14:33pm

re: #236 sagehen

It is not based on faith.

That point occurred after the last attack on Gaza, and what Israel did during it.

Do not assume why I decided to side with on side or the other. It is insulting.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:15:10pm

Bernie keeps saying that he wants to pay for his school plan by taxing “Wall Street speculation”. I’m not sure what he means by that, but the problem here is with all sin taxes: What happens when the sinners stop sinning?

To continue the funding flow from Wall Street speculation, isn’t Bernie saying that said Wall Street speculation has to continue?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:15:45pm

The most sympathetic eulogy of the Jeb? campaign I’ve read (not from a Republican, of course):

Given that the president serves as an avatar for our nation—the face we show the world, the mirror that reflects who we are—integrity in a candidate is no small thing. Earnest attention to detail is to be applauded. Willingness to listen is a mark of solid judgment. Empathy for the afflicted bespeaks good character.

Shit matters, is I guess what I’m saying. The Republican race snipped its strongest tether to decency when Jeb Bush bowed out Saturday night.

slate.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:16:54pm

re: #249 freetoken

Bernie keeps saying that he wants to pay for his school plan by taxing “Wall Street speculation”. I’m not sure what he means by that, but the problem here is with all sin taxes: What happens when the sinners stop sinning?

To continue the funding flow from Wall Street speculation, isn’t Bernie saying that said Wall Street speculation has to continue?

A tiny flaw in his plan./

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:17:49pm

re: #244 Ziggy_TARDIS

He is not employed there now. He was fired in 2011.

Good. Right there on the wiki page but I missed it.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:18:43pm

“… not that I want to be involved in local politics here…”

But Bernie, that is the big problem with you, as far as Democrats are concerned.

If you are POTUS you are head of the Democratic party (in spirit if not actual title.) You have to be involved in local politics at least enough to raise money for them.

This Bernie still doesn’t get.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:19:21pm

re: #249 freetoken

Bernie keeps saying that he wants to pay for his school plan by taxing “Wall Street speculation”. I’m not sure what he means by that, but the problem here is with all sin taxes: What happens when the sinners stop sinning?

To continue the funding flow from Wall Street speculation, isn’t Bernie saying that said Wall Street speculation has to continue?

Ayep. Just like most “sin” taxes, the absence of it will mean making up the money in other fashions. First they’ll crank up the tax on those who keep speculating, then as that crowd dies away they’ll move the tax to other “sins” that most people don’t think have anything but negative consequences. Finally, when he can’t find any more of those, he’ll start replacing the taxes with “fees” and other payments that will gradually fall further and further down the food chain. We’ve seen this song and dance enough times at the state level to know that any promises that taxes won’t fall on the middle class have expiration dates.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:19:43pm

re: #249 freetoken

You could say that about any tax.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:19:47pm

re: #254 Targetpractice

It’s why states keep hawking lottery tickets to gambling addicts.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:20:08pm

re: #249 freetoken

Bernie keeps saying that he wants to pay for his school plan by taxing “Wall Street speculation”. I’m not sure what he means by that, but the problem here is with all sin taxes: What happens when the sinners stop sinning?

To continue the funding flow from Wall Street speculation, isn’t Bernie saying that said Wall Street speculation has to continue?

Maybe he’s talking about the transaction tax that has been proposed, something like a half a percent on each transaction, which would slow down a lot of speculative trading.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:20:40pm

College costs too much in this country, it’s a real problem. Because Bernie says it somehow it’s bullshit?

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:20:53pm

re: #257 Belafon

Maybe he’s talking about the transaction tax that has been proposed, something like a half a percent on each transaction, which would slow down a lot of speculative trading.

Yes, but slowing it does means that there’s not as many transactions going on, hence the tax will gradually bring in less and less revenue.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:21:06pm

re: #257 Belafon

Define “speculative trading”.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:21:48pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

Define “speculative trading”.

Only if you can get the Bern to do same.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:22:01pm

re: #258 Amory Blaine

College costs too much in this country, it’s a real problem. Because Bernie says it somehow it’s bullshit?

That is true; his plan to pay for it has a problem, however, other than the fact its DOA with the GOP controlled Congress.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:22:09pm

re: #257 Belafon

He never lays that out for me.

If he simply wants a transaction tax he ought to say so.

But… what is going to keep people from trading over seas? If the capital market in the US is perceived as too hostile, what is to keep companies from selling equity overseas, where frankly there is an ever increasing pool of capital available.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:22:46pm

re: #262 Big Beautiful Door

That is true; his plan to pay for it has a problem, however, other than the fact its DOA with the GOP controlled Congress.

Same could be said for any plan, even Hillary’s. Next.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:23:12pm

re: #261 Testy Toad T

I don’t care who does it. I’d just like to know what the term means.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:23:22pm

re: #258 Amory Blaine

College costs too much in this country, it’s a real problem. Because Bernie says it somehow it’s bullshit?

“College costs too much” and “students pay too much for college” are two different problems. I’ve laid out here before why I think solving exclusively the latter will exacerbate the former.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:23:23pm

re: #263 freetoken

Buh bye, then.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:23:41pm

re: #264 Amory Blaine

I am saying we need to speak directly - income taxes are the bedrock of our governance and ought to stay so.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:23:50pm

re: #265 Skip Intro

I don’t care who does it. I’d just like to know what the term means.

It means “this thing that I don’t like and I bet you don’t like either”, as near as I can tell.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:24:40pm

re: #249 freetoken

Bernie keeps saying that he wants to pay for his school plan by taxing “Wall Street speculation”. I’m not sure what he means by that, but the problem here is with all sin taxes: What happens when the sinners stop sinning?

To continue the funding flow from Wall Street speculation, isn’t Bernie saying that said Wall Street speculation has to continue?

My working assumption is that he means to get rid of the tax write off for bad investments, allowing losses to offset taxable income. The same rule applies to gambling.

A compromise that addresses your other concerns might be to disallow offset of losses for short term (less than one year or so) investments but retain their use in long term investment holdings. That would quell day trading and might do a good job of stabilizing the markets while still encouraging rational, far sighted investment activity.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:25:03pm

Sin taxes are just populist ways of avoiding the truth of raising taxes for all. We just feel better about sin taxes because we like to see sinners punished.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:26:06pm

re: #271 freetoken

My taxes are already high enough, I’m paying enough. I’m paying well over half my income in taxes. The rich can pay more.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:27:14pm

re: #258 Amory Blaine

College costs too much in this country, it’s a real problem. Because Bernie says it somehow it’s bullshit?

No. Absolutely not.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:27:41pm

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

Bernie’s plan as I understand it also taxes all investment income on the earned income schedule. On its face that will hit fixed income retirees hard, so an exemption for the first X amount of income might be a good idea there too.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:27:56pm

re: #272 Amory Blaine

My taxes are already high enough, I’m paying enough. I’m paying well over half my income in taxes. The rich can pay more.

I love this idea in principle. In practice, in 2016 in the United States of America, it doesn’t seem like the bedrock of a serious campaign to actually achieve anything.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:28:04pm

re: #263 freetoken

He never lays that out for me.

If he simply wants a transaction tax he ought to say so.

But… what is going to keep people from trading over seas? If the capital market in the US is perceived as too hostile, what is to keep companies from selling equity overseas, where frankly there is an ever increasing pool of capital available.

I understand. I was just adding what I think he meant.

I can tell he’s trying to avoid saying what we know he has to say: People’s taxes must be raised, and the more you earn, the more they will be raised. The problem is, in the current environment, it can’t be said. The only reason the ACA slipped a tax increase in is that it got ignored because of all the other derp that came out.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:28:06pm

re: #258 Amory Blaine

College costs too much in this country, it’s a real problem. Because Bernie says it somehow it’s bullshit?

I do doubt his assertions about how he plans to pay for what he wants.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:29:34pm

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

Rat King?

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:29:53pm

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

So Trump is what happens when Scooby Doo meets Coraline?

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:29:56pm

re: #278 freetoken

I do doubt his assertions about how he plans to pay for what he wants.

He should say he’ll get Mexico to pay for it.

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Jenner7  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:30:14pm

I’m losing my patience with these people.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

A trillion dollar student debt bomb. But yeah, Bernie’s solution doesn’t dot enough I’s for you guys. Sigh.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:30:37pm

Got an ID on the concert protesters. Brother’s lady friend says they are from the Church of Wells, another deranged and very aggressive cult headquartered in Wells, Texas.

They are best known to national media for their involvement in the alleged faith healing death of a baby in 2014. It should be noted that a law enforcement investigation did not result in charges.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:30:54pm

re: #271 freetoken

Sin taxes are just populist ways of avoiding the truth of raising taxes for all. We just feel better about sin taxes because we like to see sinners punished.

They can also be a very useful tool in guiding public health policy. Cigarette taxes have had a positive effect on reducing the number of smokers, which in turn has a mitigating effect on the rise in the cost of healthcare.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:31:13pm

re: #278 freetoken

I do doubt his assertions about how he plans to pay for what he wants.

As do I. All this new spending is going to have to be paid for somehow, and taxing Wall St. is (at best) a temporary solution. When the day comes that Wall St. figures out a way to get out from under those taxes, there’s going to be two options: Pass the costs down the tax brackets or cut spending.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:31:26pm

re: #284 Shiplord Kirel

How did that not result in charges for someone?!

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:32:00pm

re: #283 Amory Blaine

A trillion dollar student debt bomb. But yeah, Bernie’s solution doesn’t dot enough I’s for you guys. Sigh.

Bernie’s solution is a lot like Ryan’s budget proposals: Sound great until you start noticing the sections labeled “To be filled in later.”

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:32:09pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

Yes, wrt tobacco, but that has been part of a very intensive anti-smoking campaign over many decades, and it has taken rather high taxes on tobacco at that.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:33:39pm

re: #283 Amory Blaine

A trillion dollar student debt bomb. But yeah, Bernie’s solution doesn’t dot enough I’s for you guys. Sigh.

Well, yeah. My son has part of that debt. Knowing if his plan could work and help pay on that debt (and the other two kids I have) is very important. Especially since I’m not going to elect the president just on his college education plan.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:34:08pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

As do I. All this new spending is going to have to be paid for somehow, and taxing Wall St. is (at best) a temporary solution. When the day comes that Wall St. figures out a way to get out from under those taxes, there’s going to be two options: Pass the costs down the tax brackets or cut spending.

So we’re too dumb to move where the revenue comes from? Wall street will find another way to avoid it’s obligation, then it’s our job to go after it. Not throw hands up and go “oh well, they’re just too smart for us, better raise taxes on the poor again”.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:34:16pm

re: #286 Targetpractice

Trying to get the voters to embrace the idea that our progressive tax structure not only has to remain in theory (i.e., not replaced by the idiotic flat taxes) but we need to increase the upper rate, and also reduce deductions, and treat capital gains differently - is the challenge.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:36:47pm

re: #291 Amory Blaine

So we’re too dumb to move where the revenue comes from? Wall street will find another way to avoid it’s obligation, then it’s our job to go after it. Not throw hands up and go “oh well, they’re just too smart for us, better raise taxes on the poor again”.

Right now, part of the reason the rich avoid so many taxes is that the IRS is undermanned and underfunded, leaving it stuck devoting its full resources to those places it figures it can get the most bang for the federal buck. Part of enforcing all these new taxes is going to be expanding the IRS. Otherwise, all you’re going to do is increase the hemorrhaging by increasing the workload on an already overworked agency. So that’s more spending you’re now going to have to find some way to fund.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:37:38pm

OT, but here’s a clever Trump/Game of Thrones mash-up

Winter is Trumping

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:37:47pm

re: #287 Ziggy_TARDIS

How did that not result in charges for someone?!

Don’t know but it appears from the story that the kooks delayed calling law enforcement so they could pray over the the baby AFTER she died, rather than not calling 9-1-1 BEFORE she died. Failure to report a death is a criminal offense but I am not sure what the time limit is (they waited about 12 hours).

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stpaulbear  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:37:59pm

re: #247 Belafon

When I graduated from the University of Texas at Dallas in 2005, the school’s president told of how, when he graduated in the early 70s, it cost a student a few hundred dollars for four years. He made the point of saying that taxpayers paid for $12 for every $1 a student paid. By the time I graduated, it had fallen to something well below dollar for dollar (I don’t remember the exact number).

In 1972 - 74, resident tuition at the U of MN’s Institute of Technology was about $325 per quartrer (4th quarter was summer session which hardly anyone did). I can remember being pissed off if a book cost $30.00.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:39:42pm

re: #293 Targetpractice

I don’t think Bernie or Hillary would be against expanding the IRS. And if that purpose is to expand enforcement of revenue collection, especially in the upper brackets most americans will agree.

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:40:51pm

Daily Bern is at it again. I’m arguing with someone there who is claiming that if Hillary wins, she won’t nominate a SCOTUS nominee who is pro-choice.

I’m sorry, but how do you get so twisted that you believe such claptrap? If you love Bernie, vote for him! I like him, I really do! But don’t distort his opponent into some caricature because telling the truth isn’t winning enough converts.

Reality matters.

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Kafitrar  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:41:08pm

re: #287 Ziggy_TARDIS

How did that not result in charges for someone?!

Governments have bent over backwards granting religious exemptions for medical care for minors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:42:09pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

Bernie’s plan as I understand it also taxes all investment income on the earned income schedule. On its face that will hit fixed income retirees hard, so an exemption for the first X amount of income might be a good idea there too.

FWIW, all of my investment income (my dividends) is taxed at the same rate as earned income.
And I mean ALL OF IT.
Always has.

Only the super wealthy people get that special low rate for their particular dividends.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:42:23pm

re: #297 Amory Blaine

I don’t think Bernie or Hillary would be against expanding the IRS. And if that purpose is to expand enforcement of revenue collection, especially in the upper brackets most americans will agree.

The IRS and TSA are among the agencies with the lowest approval ratings. If a President Sanders says that part of his approach to taxes is going to be a massive expansion of the IRS, even if he says it will be devoted solely to going after rich tax cheats, the Republicans will have a field day.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:45:06pm

The republicans have a field day with everything democrats do. Maybe we should just adopt their platforms so they’ll agree with us? Oh yeah!! Obama did that with Heritage care and they still obstructed. Field day? too bad.

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Nyet  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:45:30pm

re: #298 Unabogie

The shithead in question.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:47:23pm

re: #299 Kafitrar

That needs to change. Pronto.

To take an extreme example, FGM. It is beginning to become a problem in certain communities in the US, and while most Muslims do not support it, the Shafi’i school of Fiqh does, with some historical texts declaring it mandatory.

Is the US going to allow that to happen? I sure as hell hope not.

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:47:31pm

re: #303 Nyet

The shithead in question.

I responded:

FFS she has a lifetime record on this issue. It’s not just her words. It’s her words and her record as First Lady and her record as a lawyer and her record as a Senator and her record as a candidate and her record as Secretary of State. Why can’t you even grant her and the folks here of just a smidgen of intellectual honesty?

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:47:50pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

A massive expansion of the IRS to go after the rich is exactly the type of activity that will raise their (the IRS) “poll numbers”.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:48:00pm

re: #302 Amory Blaine

The republicans have a fieled day with everything democrats do. Maybe we should just adopt their platforms so they’ll agree with us? Oh yeah!! Obama did that with Heritage care and they still obstructed. Field day? too bad.

It wasn’t solely Republicans who he experienced obstruction from. There’s a long list of compromises built into the ACA to please Blue Dog Democrats, who are not likely to disappear from Congress under a Sanders administration. Not to mention it was another independent (Joe “Our Senator From Aetna” Lieberman) who we have to thank for the public execution of the public option.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:48:12pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:48:24pm

re: #305 Unabogie

Pissing in the wind there, friend.

The only one who will suffer is you.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:48:49pm

re: #302 Amory Blaine

The republicans have a field day with everything democrats do. Maybe we should just adopt their platforms so they’ll agree with us? Oh yeah!! Obama did that with Heritage care and they still obstructed. Field day? too bad.

You know, it really does suck having to take that crap into account. It also sucks thinking that every Republican ad against Bernie Sanders will start with Bernie saying he’s a Democratic-Socialist with a red flag waving in the background, that most of the Clinton ads will show pictures of her husband and Lewinsky.

But people get riled up abound the IRS. People get riled up about having their taxes raised, which is why Sanders is avoiding that. And Sanders knows that not getting elected doesn’t really help your agenda very much.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:48:56pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pahrump? Is Cruz bowing to Art Bell?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:49:00pm

re: #298 Unabogie

Daily Bern is at it again. I’m arguing with someone there who is claiming that if Hillary wins, she won’t nominate a SCOTUS nominee who is pro-choice.

That person is either employing Trump-level BS or just plain lying (pardon the redundancy).

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:50:39pm

re: #309 Ziggy_TARDIS

Pissing in the wind there, friend.

The only one who will suffer is you.

I know. But I refuse to be bullied off that site and let the Democratic party be taken over by the Firebaggers. That’s gotten the GOP nowhere. I don’t want the Democrats to also be the party of stupid.

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BeachDem  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:51:07pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

When Hillary’s campaign kept reporters behind a rope and a distance away from her during a campaign stop, the press raised all sorts of hell about her trying to “control” them and how she didn’t respect their importance to democracy.

But Trump’s campaign has been keeping reporters isolated, prevented them from getting close to him unless he willed it, and been shit upon for months by him, and it wasn’t worthy of comment.

It’s a little late in this relationship to suddenly get angry that your boyfriend farts in bed, Chuck.

Not only wouldn’t let the press get close to him; wouldn’t let them interview people in the crowd until those intrepid reporters “negotiated” to be able to talk to five people.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:51:43pm

re: #306 Amory Blaine

A massive expansion of the IRS to go after the rich is exactly the type of activity that will raise their “poll numbers”.

To which his critics will employ the same sort of argument that they did with Obama, saying that the definition of “rich” will be ratcheted down as the need for funding increases. It will start at the people making $1 million/yr, but then go down to $500K, then $250K, and so forth. After all, to a person living on welfare, a guy pull in $100K a year is “rich.”

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:52:12pm

re: #306 Amory Blaine

A massive expansion of the IRS to go after the rich is exactly the type of activity that will raise their “poll numbers”.

Remember, Americans aren’t poor, they’re just temporarily embarrassed. Raising taxes on the wealthy quickly turns into raising taxes on everyone. It’s why the “death tax” meme works so well. Expanding the IRS means the IRS can go after everyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:52:37pm

Right as the Bundy bullshit is happening:

yeah, because Nevada is nothing but ranchers….

good freaking grief.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:53:28pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right as the Bundy bullshit is happening:

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yeah, because Nevada is nothing but ranchers….

good freaking grief.

I am conflicted about who I’ll enjoy losing more. Cruz or Trump.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:53:46pm

re: #304 Ziggy_TARDIS

Could someone tell me if my analogy fails somewhere?

Because, I would imagine that, with exemptions being so broad, this could become an issue.

Honestly, with a tiny number of exceptions, I don’t see the need for the exemptions anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:53:52pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right as the Bundy bullshit is happening:

yeah, because Nevada is nothing but ranchers….

good freaking grief.

oops…forgot this one:

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:53:59pm

re: #253 freetoken

“… not that I want to be involved in local politics here…”

But Bernie, that is the big problem with you, as far as Democrats are concerned.

If you are POTUS you are head of the Democratic party (in spirit if not actual title.) You have to be involved in local politics at least enough to raise money for them.

This Bernie still doesn’t get.

He’s no newbie…I think Bernie gets it, he just doesn’t give a fuck about supporting the downticket races, because, up until last year when he decided to run as a Democrat (because he’d have absolutely no chance as a third-party presidential candidate), he didn’t have to give a fuck about the Democrats.

His flavor of “fuck you, I got mine” is just as odious as the Republicans’.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:54:23pm

re: #279 Ziggy_TARDIS

Rat King?

Rat Fu King

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:54:30pm

re: #316 Belafon

Remember, Americans aren’t poor, they’re just temporarily embarrassed. Raising taxes on the wealthy quickly turns into raising taxes on everyone. It’s why the “death tax” meme works so well. Expanding the IRS means the IRS can go after everyone.

Ayep, we’re all just rich people in waiting. Hell, any discussion about winning the lottery these days includes acknowledging that you’re left with a small fraction of the cash once the state and feds take their cut.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:54:53pm

One thing I wonder about is just what are the proxies in these stump speeches, proxies for something else that is less “political correct.”

Trump is pretty straight forward with his formula of Muslim=Terrorist and his crowd loves it. Not really very hidden.

Candidates do this kind of thing but I wonder about the more subtle ones.

And that is what I wonder about the trigger phrase “politically correct”. When Trump uses it, most of the time, I think he is referring to dumping on Muslims.

But I don’t know what the others mean by it.

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:55:27pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

To which his critics will employ the same sort of argument that they did with Obama, saying that the definition of “rich” will be ratcheted down as the need for funding increases. It will start at the people making $1 million/yr, but then go down to $500K, then $250K, and so forth. After all, to a person living on welfare, a guy pull in $100K a year is “rich.”

Sooner or later this nonsense will have to be confronted head on. A progressive income tax with widespread public support is pretty much a necessity.

However, I have no idea how to actually counteract the decades of Republican propaganda on this topic.

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BeachDem  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:56:17pm

re: #226 Amory Blaine

Cont.

Tapper: I’m sorry Mrs. Clinton I have to pause for a Donald Trump newsflash. Now let’s go to Mark Halparin for the juicy deets!

//

Could be worse—Mrs. Greenspan cut off an interview with Jane Hartman to show a Justin Bieber story.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:56:31pm

re: #324 freetoken

One thing I wonder about is just what are the proxies in these stump speeches, proxies for something else that is less “political correct.”

Trump is pretty straight forward with his formula of Muslim=Terrorist and his crowd loves it. Not really very hidden.

Candidates do this kind of thing but I wonder about the more subtle ones.

And that is what I wonder about the trigger phrase “politically correct”. When Trump uses it, most of the time, I think he is referring to dumping on Muslims.

But I don’t know what the others mean by it.

Well Cruz has been shitting on gluten allergies. Even said he’d not allow gluten free meals to be served in the military anymore. I take any Republican candidate criticizing political correctness to be any Republican who can’t deal with reality.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:56:33pm

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Ha! I’m right now watching King Rat on the TV.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:56:44pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

Sooner or later this nonsense will have to be confronted head on. A progressive income tax with widespread public support is pretty much a necessity.

However, I have no idea how to actually counteract the decades of Republican propaganda on this topic.

Neither do I or, I strongly suspect, does Bernie. He just assumes that the enthusiasm amongst his supporters for what he has to sell will translate seamlessly to the voter pool at large. And that in turn will translate into undying support once he takes office.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:57:29pm

re: #328 Amory Blaine

Ha! I’m right now watching King Rat on the TV.

Need to see that. I think Clavell also wrote the screenplay for the Great Escape if I am not mistaken.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:58:05pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

Sooner or later this nonsense will have to be confronted head on. A progressive income tax with widespread public support is pretty much a necessity.

However, I have no idea how to actually counteract the decades of Republican propaganda on this topic.

The only reason we have a progressive tax structure at all is the collapse of the world economy in the 30s. And most people today don’t know history all that well.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:58:30pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

FWIW, all of my investment income (my dividends) is taxed at the same rate as earned income.
And I mean ALL OF IT.
Always has.

Only the super wealthy people get that special low rate for their particular dividends.

Good point, my statement only applies to actual sales of assets.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:59:35pm

re: #329 Targetpractice

Enthusiasm seems like a nice start to me, it’s better than resignation. I get it no one here likes Bernie (for POTUS). But discrediting the very notion that we can’t tax the rich because someday it could expand to the homeless is poison to this progressive. Bernie’s supporters not withstanding.

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darthstar  Feb 21, 2016 • 3:59:37pm
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:00:27pm

re: #334 darthstar

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They let her vote?!!!!!

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Kafitrar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:00:28pm

re: #304 Ziggy_TARDIS

That needs to change. Pronto.

To take an extreme example, FGM. It is beginning to become a problem in certain communities in the US, and while most Muslims do not support it, the Shafi’i school of Fiqh does, with some historical texts declaring it mandatory.

Is the US going to allow that to happen? I sure as hell hope not.

Federal law has prohibited FGM since 1996. A 2012 amendment banned vacation cutting (taking a girl to another country to get FGM). In addition, Rep. Joe Crowley introduced a bill last year requiring the federal government to create a “national strategy to protect American girls from FGM.” But there hasn’t been an update in its status.

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:02:04pm

re: #331 Belafon

The only reason we have a progressive tax structure at all is the collapse of the world economy in the 30s. And most people today don’t know history all that well.

I think there is more to it than that, although the great depression was certainly a factor.

We have an income tax in the US because a constitutional amendment was passed to overcome SCOTUS decisions to the effect that an income tax was unconstitutional.

That means that there was massive popular support for an income tax at that time, which seems unimaginable now.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:03:10pm

re: #333 Amory Blaine

Enthusiasm seems like a nice start to me, it’s better than resignation. I get it no one here likes Bernie (for POTUS). But discrediting the very notion that we can’t tax the rich because someday it could expand to the homeless is poison to this progressive. Bernie’s supporters not withstanding.

Being a cynic, one of the things I see when I think “enthusiasm” is “disappointment.” I remember progressives being all sorts of enthusiastic about Obama in ‘08, convinced that being the First Black President atop being young and charismatic meant that Congress would have a hard time saying no to him. But once he got into office, and the sausage-making of turning campaign promises into legislation began, the enthusiasm died a quick death. By 2010, all those bright eyed progressives who’d turned out two years prior now considered Obama a “sellout” and wanted nothing to do with him or the DNC. And we all know how that turned out…

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darthstar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:03:11pm

re: #335 Belafon

They let her vote?!!!!!

It was a caucus, not a vote.

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CarolJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:03:26pm

Yes, the cost of college is too high, and something needs to be done about this. But a plan that doesn’t take in account some salient facts is going to be DOA in congress. First of all, how much college are we talking about, and who’s college are we talking about-community college has some costs, but four-year college is something else. And what about the Ivies? Should we fund every major regardless of whether or not there are at least non-academic jobs for graduates-I’m assuming that the need for Masters Degrees in some fields and PHD’s are going to be pretty static, and not everyone will be able to get those degrees. What about law and medical degrees?

One more thing. Raising taxes on investment income needs to be done very carefully. A lot of Americans are retiring now, and are relying on that income to stay in their homes. These people will be terrified that they will lose (and probably told by the Republicans they will lose) what little retirement security they have. And these people are home every day to listen to all of this and are able to vote in every election no matter how minor.
Another reality is that in order to get a majority to even do anything in the House (where financial bills start) a lot of them are going to come from purple districts which can flip in off years as the right-wing noise machine turns the volume up. These people are likely to not be very liberal on guns, or full-throated supporters of abortion, or pro-defense, Are you willing to work with moderate and Conservative Dems in off-years in order that they can keep their seats?

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:03:45pm

re: #333 Amory Blaine

Enthusiasm seems like a nice start to me, it’s better than resignation. I get it no one here likes Bernie (for POTUS). But discrediting the very notion that we can’t tax the rich because someday it could expand to the homeless is poison to this progressive. Bernie’s supporters not withstanding.

I certainly agree that we can’t give up on taxing the rich. Such taxation is absolutely essential to dealing with any of the major problems the US faces.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:04:12pm

Well on the subject of education, I’d like a little more talk about K-12. Getting ready for college is as important college itself.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:05:26pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Well on the subject of education, I’d like a little more talk about K-12. Getting ready for college is as important college itself.

COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!
COMMON CORE!!COMMON CORE!!

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:05:32pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

I feel you. Obama the Pragmatic had me all kinds of butthurt (go head and find some posts!), but I still supported him, and do now.

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wrenchwench  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:06:36pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Well on the subject of education, I’d like a little more talk about K-12. Getting ready for college is as important college itself.

And pre-K. Starts to sound ridiculous, but I think pre-K thru bachelor’s should be available for little or nothing.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:07:26pm

I do believe that when Trump yells out “local control” when talking about education, that it is a shout out to the creationists.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:07:37pm

re: #345 wrenchwench

And pre-K. Starts to sound ridiculous, but I think pre-K thru bachelor’s should be available for little or nothing.

No, not at all, Pre-K is extremely important.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:08:40pm

Here in Wisconsin, we deal with K-12 education by smashing teachers unions, lowering their pay and status in the state, then create a parallel system of privateers that are completely unaccountable and have no gauges as to their success or failure.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:08:54pm

There is no room in Common Core for creationism, the Bible, and prayer.

And that’s why the wingnuts hatez it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:09:15pm

re: #346 freetoken

I do believe that when Trump yells out “local control” when talking about education, that it is a shout out to the creationists.

Creationists, those who want to use the classroom to revise history. I look at this way and this is why I don’t boogeyman the concept of common core. Our kids are going to be applying for the same universities. I’m for subtle differences in things like Literature and History whereas a Virginian student may get a little more focus on the colonial period and a Californian more on the Westward expansion period but things like mathematics and the sciences should be taught the same everywhere.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:09:31pm

re: #324 freetoken

But I don’t know what the others mean by it.

It intentionally doesn’t have a meaning. It’s an empty set into which any concept can be cast, thus invalidating it.

Basically…being “politically incorrect” supposedly shows that one is realistic, honest, and willing to call things out as they are. Except, of course, that all of those things are cliches, not actual qualities that bestow veracity.

And, like most invocations of “realism,” it’s an attempt to claim objectivity, with no rigor or analysis that would actually demonstrate the objectivity of one’s assertion. In other words, it’s a particularly ornate fallacy.

It’s also used to scoff at the feelings of others…via a different fallacy, in which the person being rude must be more grounded in reality than the person moderating the way they speak. So, again, it’s claiming objectivity while demonstrating no objectivity.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:09:55pm

re: #344 Amory Blaine

I feel you. Obama the Pragmatic had me all kinds of butthurt (go head and find some posts!), but I still supported him, and do now.

Sure, but a lot of progressives didn’t. Hence terms like “Firebagger” for those progressives so dedicated to ideological purity that they were distinguishable from Tea Partiers only by their ideological bent. So when I chew into Bernie, it’s not because I don’t like his ideas or I don’t think there are fights worth having. It’s because Republicans are definitely going to chew into him, and they’re not going to be as nice as I am. I don’t criticize Bernie for being a socialist, I criticize him because the devil is in the details, of which there seems to be little of when discussing his proposals.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:10:18pm

Marge Simpson dreams the candidates
THE SIMPSONS | The Debateful Eight | ANIMATION on FOX

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:12:19pm

re: #349 freetoken

There is no room in Common Core for creationism, the Bible, and prayer.

And that’s why the wingnuts hatez it.

Yep.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:12:39pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:13:22pm

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Marge Simpson dreams the candidates
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Ha!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:13:58pm

re: #356 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Ha!

I thought you were dead, Mrs. Krabapple.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:15:43pm

freetoken was right yesterday (IMHO). We have reached peak Bernie, the rest of the primaries aren’t going to go his way. The Berniacs will burn out and we’ll (mostly) vote for Hillary. Anyone who runs around with their hair on fire for Bernie has to know letting Trump or Cruz win would be a high order disaster.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:17:36pm

re: #334 darthstar

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Do you really think the US could, or even should absorb every unaccompanied refugee child being sent here illegally? The journey these kids are being sent on is incredibly dangerous, and many are being exploited and killed along the way.

The way we’ve totally abandoned, and even undermined the governments and societies to our South is utterly shameful. If a solution to this crisis exists we’re going to have to try and create it there. The kind of rhetoric you’re employing here isn’t indicative of either a sustainable or even remotely realistic policy, and seems like it’s only designed to distract from Sander’s opposition to vote against the 2007 immigration reform bill.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:19:00pm

re: #334 darthstar

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Is that a bullshit quote?

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Cheechako  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:19:08pm

Fascinating discussions for a Sunday afternoon. Keep it up LGF!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:22:04pm

So you don’t like air travel?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:22:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:22:48pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:23:19pm

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

Megabus tried. bummer.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:23:44pm

re: #358 Amory Blaine

freetoken was right yesterday (IMHO). We have reached peak Bernie, the rest of the primaries aren’t going to go his way. The Berniacs will burn out and we’ll (mostly) vote for Hillary. Anyone who runs around with their hair on fire for Bernie has to know letting Trump or Cruz win would be a high order disaster.

Well, the good thing right now is that polls show that, despite all the negativity of months of campaigning, supporters on both sides of the divide still are highly enthusiastic about voting for the other candidate if their first choice isn’t nominated.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:23:51pm

re: #358 Amory Blaine

freetoken was right yesterday (IMHO). We have reached peak Bernie, the rest of the primaries aren’t going to go his way. The Berniacs will burn out and we’ll (mostly) vote for Hillary. Anyone who runs around with their hair on fire for Bernie has to know letting Trump or Cruz win would be a high order disaster.

I have to agree. I mean people forget 2008 was pretty heated too. I think when it comes apparent “Holy shit, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, or Donald Trump could be the 45th president”, that’s something that will make most people realize the big picture. What I’m hoping for is we make big gains in Congerss and maybe even take back the Senate. Unlikely I concede but one thing I was encouraged reading about yesterday in Nevada was heavy Hispanic participation.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:24:51pm

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

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Egad. I have seen those driving down the highway and was wondering about them. I wouldn’t attribute a single incident to the company, but we’ll definitely have to see what the investigation says.

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:24:57pm

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

Update: the bus exploded

Maybe “turning around” was a good idea after all?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:24:59pm

It’s probably true, because we know Hillary is a bitch.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:26:46pm

re: #370 Stanley Sea

It’s probably true, because we know Hillary is a bitch.

Goldman Sachs says hello!
/;)

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:27:02pm

re: #334 darthstar

This is a really dishonest attack. She was talking specifically about children who were being sent, by themselves, across the border to the United States even though they had no family here. This was during the refugee crisis in 2014.

“They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are. There are concerns about whether all of them can be sent back, but I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families…We have to send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean the child gets to stay. We don’t want to send a message that’s contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.

Now, disagree with her on this. But she wasn’t talking about DREAMers. She was talking about dealing with a humanitarian crisis in a way that doesn’t make things worse by encouraging more desperate parents to send their kids across a desert by themselves.

Greg Sergeant gets it.

washingtonpost.com

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:27:03pm

Too cheap for a fire extinguisher? I would say the driver should have tried to put that out, but his mega-cheap salary told him to let megabus do it on his own.

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Kafitrar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:27:10pm

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

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Megabus is only liable for $250 in lost or damaged luggage. Some of those passengers lost thousands.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:27:13pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Is that a bullshit quote?

It’s true: washingtonpost.com

As part of a 2014 discussion of immigration, she talked about keeping families together that were here, how Obama is under pressure to follow the law and yet ease deportations. The statement was with respect to the children that were coming across the border without their families.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:27:25pm

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:28:20pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

Being a cynic, one of the things I see when I think “enthusiasm” is “disappointment.” I remember progressives being all sorts of enthusiastic about Obama in ‘08, convinced that being the First Black President atop being young and charismatic meant that Congress would have a hard time saying no to him. But once he got into office, and the sausage-making of turning campaign promises into legislation began, the enthusiasm died a quick death. By 2010, all those bright eyed progressives who’d turned out two years prior now considered Obama a “sellout” and wanted nothing to do with him or the DNC. And we all know how that turned out…

Yeah, we’ve all being getting fucked for the past six years.

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:28:50pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Is that a bullshit quote?

Read my reply.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:29:57pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Is that a bullshit quote?

No, not really, it’s just missing the larger context.

“They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because - there are concerns about whether all of them can be sent back, but I think all of them that can be should be reunited with their families….We have to send a clear message: Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean the child gets to stay. So we don’t want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or willing to encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.”

The following clip shows what Clinton said last night in Las Vegas. She focused on ending private detention centers (last year, Clinton stopped receiving donations from the private prison lobby) and offering more legal help to unaccompanied minors, yet she also did not change her stance on Central America when she repeated the very same talking points from last week’s Wisconsin debate when she said this: “But at the same time, we don’t want children being handled by smugglers and traffickers often being abused and mistreated.”

In other words she’s treating a complex situation as if it doesn’t have a simplistic solution where the President can unilaterally ignore and undermine the immigration laws passed by Congress. She’s also pointing out that for us to simply accept this wave of unaccompanied minors without some kind of protest serves to tacitly encourage adults in Central and South America to send more children on such a dangerous journey.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:30:09pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

I wish I could have duck more. Expensive though. The Thai place in town has it though.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:30:34pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

With goods like that, I think you can only go so wrong.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:31:05pm

The Dems. We can fuck it up.

I love Bernie! I want to elect Hillary.

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Reckless Disregard  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:31:33pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

I’ve always found duck to be too greasy.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:31:55pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

Don’t fuck it up!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:32:13pm
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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:32:28pm

Dr. Pepper marinade on duck is good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:33:22pm

re: #383 Reckless Disregard

I’ve always found duck to be too greasy.

It is yeah. Probably not good to have it too often.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:33:38pm

re: #386 Amory Blaine

Dr. Pepper marinade on duck is good.

Dr. Pepper marinade? Sounds interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:33:58pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Boom Shaka Laka.

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:33:59pm

re: #379 goddamnedfrank

Yep. And it’s this kind of attack that Bernie supporters should really stop. It’s cheap points, but won’t sway anyone who looks into the quote to see why she said what she said. And once you do, it’s much harder to argue against it because she actually makes some good points and it’s obvious she’s trying to deal with a shitty problem by really thinking it through.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:34:51pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

Well, many of those bright eyed Progressives voted for Obama again in 2012 (in lesser numbers). It seems that Democrats as a whole do not come out to mid-term elections, which is a problem predating the Obama administration.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:35:10pm

re: #382 Stanley Sea

The Dems. We can fuck it up.

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I’m at that point where I hate the term limits and would be happy to welcome Obama back for a third term. I also would be happy with Biden too but with his son’s passing and Clinton’s presence, there was just no way. I like both Sanders and Clinton in their own ways though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:35:25pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To make them really heroic?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:36:04pm

re: #381 Testy Toad T

With goods like that, I think you can only go so wrong.

I will report back. Almost ready to start, taking an LGF break before I dive in.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:36:06pm

re: #391 Patricia Kayden

Well, many of those bright eyed Progressives voted for Obama again in 2012 (in lesser numbers). It seems that Democrats as a whole do not come out to mid-term elections, which is a problem predating the Obama administration.

Weird thing though was that we regained the House in 2006 but 2002 was one of the few midterms where a President has gained seats in the legislature. Granted it was after 9/11 and a very unique time but still.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:37:42pm

re: #390 Unabogie

Yep. And it’s this kind of attack that Bernie supporters should really stop. It’s cheap points, but won’t sway anyone who looks into the quote to see why she said what she said. And once you do, it’s much harder to argue against it because she actually makes some good points and it’s obvious she’s trying to deal with a shitty problem by really thinking it through.

It’s a classic strategy of assuming the person who hears the quote won’t search for the context, but will instead accept it at face value and act upon the emotional outrage it evokes in them. It’s a bit like the Sanders email the other night, calling on her to “keep her pledge” to release the transcripts of her speeches to major banks because she said she’d do so when everyone released theirs. The Sanders campaign tried to argue that she was speaking in the context of the Dem primaries and, since the two of them were “everyone,” and he’d never made a speech to Wall St, the requirement was fulfilled so she needed to release the transcripts or be found in violation of her agreement.

Problem is, in context, the statement actually was invoking the entirety of the 2016 candidate field and was about speeches given to all private entities, not simply banks like Sanders wanted to insist in order to catch in a “gotcha” moment.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:38:03pm

re: #383 Reckless Disregard

I’ve always found duck to be too greasy.

Whole duck I’ve tried before, it turned out ok, but the kitchen was almost set alight. That was when my Mom was visiting & wanted the real deal & I said OK.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:38:59pm

I wish American meals included lamb more. It’s what I usually get if I go to a Middle Eastern or Indian restaurant.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:40:09pm

re: #379 goddamnedfrank

No, not really, it’s just missing the larger context.

In other words she’s treating a complex situation as if it doesn’t have a simplistic solution where the President can unilaterally ignore and undermine the immigration laws passed by Congress. She’s also pointing out that for us to simply accept this wave of unaccompanied minors without some kind of protest serves to tacitly encourage adults in Central and South America to send more children on such a dangerous journey.

In all the discussions on immigration, I don’t think anyone seriously suggests simply letting everyone who can get here, to stay permanently. And AFAIK, Bernie’s stance on immigration is more restrictive than Hillary’s.

That meme smacks of immaturity and sour grapes.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:40:26pm

re: #305 Unabogie

I responded:

Look how old that is, too I guess purity has to go back to birth to be complete.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:40:31pm

re: #346 freetoken

I do believe that when Trump yells out “local control” when talking about education, that it is a shout out to the creationists.

I think the GOP take over of state government started with the local school boards in the 1970s.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:40:44pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I wish American meals included lamb more. It’s what I usually get if I go to a Middle Eastern or Indian restaurant.

I’m hosting Easter it has been decided. Lamb is the menu. Deciding between a leg or rack. $$$$$$$$$$ love you Stanley!!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:41:20pm

re: #383 Reckless Disregard

I’ve always found duck to be too greasy.

I don’t mind the grease so much, just make little cuts in the skin and rotisserie the whole bird. The thing that gets me is there’s a ton of bone and fat for the amount of good meat on the bird. Unless you’re using all that for something like carcass soup the way to go is just get a skin on breast like Stanley did and pan sear or sous vide it.

The blowtorch really shines here for crisping up the skin right at the end.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:41:55pm

re: #402 Stanley Sea

I’m hosting Easter it has been decided. Lamb is the menu. Deciding between a leg or rack. $$$$$$$$$$ love you Stanley!!

We always do ham, mashed potatoes, and macaroni salad for Easter. Grandma’s very particular in her meal traditions. Me, I’d prefer to be more adventurous but I dont’ get a vote.

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Great White Snark  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:42:57pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

Foodie Coincidence-Went out for lunch and a matinee, had a duck sausage on greens with bleu cheese and carmelized onions. Oh and btw The Witch is one heck of a horror/thriller. First time director too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:43:01pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Belly White

In all the discussions on immigration, I don’t think anyone seriously suggests simply letting everyone who can get here, to stay permanently. And AFAIK, Bernie’s stance on immigration is more restrictive than Hillary’s.

That meme smacks of immaturity and sour grapes.

I was going to comment on that as well. His signature notably being absent from a letter signed by 22 Democratic Senators on DREAMers was disappointing to see. I can understand his gun votes more than I can his immigration ones honestly.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:43:09pm

re: #399 Blind Frog Belly White

In all the discussions on immigration, I don’t think anyone seriously suggests simply letting everyone who can get here, to stay permanently. And AFAIK, Bernie’s stance on immigration is more restrictive than Hillary’s.

That meme smacks of immaturity and sour grapes.

Darth! It’s a cheap bullshit shot. Hillary is not an ogre. Bernie is not a savior. If he doesn’t take it all, he will influence her & we will all win. Vice versa.

Pass the pipe.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:43:30pm

re: #376 Stanley Sea

In other news, we have a new butcher in town. Went yesterday to check out the goods. Tonight I’m making my first duck breast. With a honey balsamic reduction. Wish me luck.

I thought it was rabbit season.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:43:31pm

re: #402 Stanley Sea

I’m hosting Easter it has been decided. Lamb is the menu. Deciding between a leg or rack. $$$$$$$$$$ love you Stanley!!

As it happens I wrote up my leg recipe last Christmas, here it is:

Sainted Leg of Lamb

Ingredients
1 whole bone-in leg of lamb. The bone is really important here, don’t think you’re smarter than me and buy some fucking lame ass boneless lamb. Don’t let the terrorists win.
1 quart soy sauce (not the low sodium kind, the good shit. You’ll be adding water later and won’t want to look like an asshole when that step arrives.)
2 garlic bulbs (that’s right, not cloves, bulbs.)
1 whole sweet onion.
1 medium to large ginger root
1 large horseradish root
6 large limes or 12 tbsp lime juice

Instructions.

Step 1. Thaw:
If frozen, thaw leg of lamb in refrigerator. Don’t be a dick and try to force it, this is going to take you about five days.

Step 2. Make the marinade:
Put one quart of soy sauce in large mixing bowl.
Juice the limes, place juice in bowl with soy sauce.
Peel onion and chop into chunks, set aside.
Peel coves from both bulbs, set aside.
Peel horseradish, chop into sections and set aside.
Wash ginger, chop into sections and set aside.
Place onion, garlic, horseradish and ginger into blender or food processor, add 1 cup water and blend.
Place contents of blender into mixing bowl with soy sauce and lime juice. Stir.
Taste, add water (usually another quarter cup or so.) This marinate will be in contact with the meat for three days so you want a good brine but not too salty. This part is subjective and hard to quantify. You can also add some ground black pepper now if you want, but you shouldn’t, there’s enough going on here already.

Step 3. Application of delicious marinade:
Take thawed leg of lamb and place a small CLEAN rag or padding like cheesecloth over any exposed pieces of bone. You may need to secure the rag(s) with twine. You don’t want these bones poking through the bags and spilling your marinade all over your nice refrigerator.
Place lamb inside two nested large plastic bags. You may need to use garbage bags, that’s fine, just make sure they’re not the kind that has been treated with a deodorizing chemical, because God knows what’s in that shit and you don’t want flipper babies.
Place the marinade in bag with lamb, duh.
Try to get as much air out of the bag as possible, an assistant helps here, tie the inner bag shut. Do the same with the outer bag. Place in refrigerator for 3 days, and turn the bag over every six hours or so.

Step 4: Cooking:
Use a charcoal bbq like a webber, don’t be a pussy. Don’t fucking argue with me here.
I use the little baskets that hold the coals on the sides, and set them in a sort of “V” shape to match the contour of the lamb leg. Light coals and let them get good and ash’d over. Place lid on BBQ, close vents half way, let cool down for 3 minutes.
Take your leg of lamb out of the refrigerator, place in sink. Open the bags, let marinade drain. Wipe off any excess chunks of stuff from the marinade and take lamb out to the bbq. Place the lamb in a U or V shaped roast / rib support, with the skin / fat side up.
Place lamb on BBQ, put lid back on, leave vents 1/2 to 3/4 closed depending on experience.
Check on BBQ after a few minutes. If smoking close vents down further. If you can easily hold your hand two inches over top vent for more than a few seconds open them up. Continue to check on the BBQ this way every twenty minutes or so, but DO NOT LIFT THE LID until approximately two hours have expired. After about one hour you should probably open the vents all the way. If it’s dark you can peek in through the vent holes will see that one side of the coals will burn hotter than the other, this isn’t a problem just try to make sure the cooler side doesn’t go out. Again, DO NOT LIFT THE LID until two hours pass by.
At two hours lift the lid and check temperature with a metal stem thermometer. It should be done by now, between 140 and 160 F.

Step 5: Eat!
Serve this delicious leg of lamb to your friends and impress the everlovin’ shit out of them. You will probably get a call from the Pope declaring you a miracle worker. Finally know what it sounds like when doves cry. Get laid.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:44:38pm

re: #407 Stanley Sea

Darth! It’s a cheap bullshit shot. Hillary is not an ogre. Bernie is not a savior. If he doesn’t take it all, he will influence her & we will all win. Vice versa.

Pass the pipe.

They’re both people with flaws and strengths.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:45:14pm

re: #405 Great White Snark

Great menu. Yum.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:46:03pm

re: #410 HappyWarrior

They’re both people with flaws and strengths.

Hence my remark earlier that there’s not much daylight between the two, at least when it comes to agreement on major issues. It’s the nitty gritty details where they differ, which is why a lot of folks are seemingly sitting out the primaries because either way they’ll get a pretty good candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:47:15pm

re: #412 Targetpractice

Hence my remark earlier that there’s not much daylight between the two, at least when it comes to agreement on major issues. It’s the nitty gritty details where they differ, which is why a lot of folks are seemingly sitting out the primaries because either way they’ll get a pretty good candidate.

Yeah I’m sitting out as of now. My brothers are diehard Sanders supporters and our grandmother firmly for Clinton. I feel stuck in the middle.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:48:03pm

re: #409 goddamnedfrank

As it happens I wrote up my leg recipe last Christmas, here it is:

Brilliant. Especially the last line. I saved it & will most likely use it. Because of the last line. lol

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:48:39pm

Marco’s being compared to Harry Potter? Harry Potter? Really?

Dolores Umbridge is the closer comparison. Power-hungry lackey who must have order and can’t think outside the box.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:48:47pm

One hour, 10 minutes till TWD.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:48:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:51:56pm

re: #415 lawhawk

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Marco’s being compared to Harry Potter? Harry Potter? Really?

Dolores Umbridge is the closer comparison. Power-hungry lackey who must have order and can’t think outside the box.

He’s the most attractive of a bunch that included Jeb!, Kasich, and Christie. He’s really not impressive at all and I think most Republican primary voters feel that way.

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:52:46pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Dr. Pepper marinade? Sounds interesting.

Alton Brown did it as for a (properly prepped) country ham for and episode of Good Eats.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:53:33pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:56:37pm

re: #417 Kragar

You ever been stung before?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2016 • 4:58:52pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I wish American meals included lamb more. It’s what I usually get if I go to a Middle Eastern or Indian restaurant.

I have a Moroccan Sister-in-Law so once in a while I get to eat lamb at her house — always delicious. She’s a great cook.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:00:59pm

It was federal land before Nevada became a state, Canuck Ted. And before it was federal land, it belonged to the indigenous people.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:01:24pm

re: #421 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

You ever been stung before?

Probably been about 20-30 years

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:02:39pm

This brings back a memory of a friend—now sober 16 years—at a restaurant with a bunch of us in Chicago. We all ordered, and when the waitress finally came to him, he swirled the last of his third or fourth Dewars and ice with a flourish and gave her his order: “anything with lamb!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:02:50pm

It’s “No Pants!” Day on the subway in Mexico City.
Also “No Shirts!” “No Fatsos!” and “No Olds!”

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:03:03pm

re: #283 Amory Blaine

A trillion dollar student debt bomb. But yeah, Bernie’s solution doesn’t dot enough I’s for you guys. Sigh.

Yeah, how dare we ask for details. It’s a problem, and Bernie’s gonna fix it. That is all ye know, and all ye need know.

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Great White Snark  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:03:29pm

re: #416 Stanley Sea

Your duck got me motivated. Cooking up one from the LGF cookbook tonight. Chardonnay Chicken. Seared thighs, green onions, scallion, finish in chardonnay. Serve on basmati or pasta. Found spinach on sale to sautee. Home made bisquits and we got a bargain for a nice dinner.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:03:50pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

It was federal land before Nevada became a state, Canuck Ted. And before it was federal land, it belonged to the indigenous people.

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The % of people who want the lands ‘returned’ to them is .002/Bundy.

Weak,

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:04:32pm

My peeps, live fresh Oysters are in season!!!

That is all.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:04:38pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

It was federal land before Nevada became a state, Canuck Ted. And before it was federal land, it belonged to the indigenous people.

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And by “citizens,” Ted of course means the corporations who the land will inevitably be sold to when the state and local governments realize they don’t have the money to properly maintain them and/or see a budget surplus in the resources available to be exploited for cheap.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:04:51pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

They can also be a very useful tool in guiding public health policy. Cigarette taxes have had a positive effect on reducing the number of smokers, which in turn has a mitigating effect on the rise in the cost of healthcare.

As long as you don’t count on the revenue they bring in always being there.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:05:14pm

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

A vote for Ted Cruz is a vote to strip mine Nevada.

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Great White Snark  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:06:11pm

And thanks to a whole bunch of you guys. Your appreciation for my photographs inspires me when it gets difficult. If any of you want a full resolution file for a 4k desktop monitor wallpaper or something let me know.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:06:14pm

re: #432 Sophist: A life of quiet Jebsperation.

As long as you don’t count on the revenue they bring in always being there.

Right. Now, ironically, NH is thinking of implementing a tax on electric cars because of falling gas-tax revenues.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:06:28pm

re: #433 jaunte

A vote for Ted Cruz is a vote to strip mine Nevada.

That’s pretty much a vote for any Republican.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:07:03pm

“Well, we would like to cure your illness, but we need to know if you’ve accepted Jesus as your savior before we get started.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:07:26pm

re: #428 Great White Snark

Your duck got me motivated. Cooking up one from the LGF cookbook tonight. Chardonnay Chicken. Seared thighs, green onions, scallion, finish in chardonnay. Serve on basmati or pasta. Found spinach on sale to sautee. Home made bisquits and we got a bargain for a nice dinner.

Sounds so goooood.

My house smells heavenly. I’ll take a photo.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:08:26pm

re: #437 Kragar

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“Well, we would like to cure your illness, but we need to know if you’ve accepted Jesus as your savior before we get started.”

Uh huh. That modern and rebranded GOP. //

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:09:23pm

LOLWUT?

Anti-government attorney Kory Langhofer argued over the weekend that the Supreme Court could continue to decide cases 5-4 in favor of conservatives after the death of Antonin Scalia because the deceased justice could effectively cast votes from the grave.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:09:45pm

re: #435 Barefoot Grin

Right. Now, ironically, NH is thinking of implementing a tax on electric cars because of falling gas-tax revenues.

There was a discussion the other night about former-Gov Gilmore and the Car Tax here in VA that he failed to slay. The “ingenious” solution to doing away with the CT was supposed to be reimbursing individual cities and towns for the lost income in order to pay for maintaining the roads (which was the purpose of the CT). But when the number of cars ballooned during the late 90s boom, the state government chose to act in that classic GOP fashion: Cap the reimbursements and cut off all talk of increasing the gas tax to cover the shortage.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:10:48pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

If Zombie Reagan can continue to reach out from beyond the grave, why not zombie Scalia?

But if we’re going to go there, zombie Marshall (either) and zombie Cardozo would school Scalia.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:10:51pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

I saw that on FB. WTF. And you thought originalism was creepy when Scalia was alive and playing Oujia with the Founders.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:10:52pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

Sorry, but we don’t allow zombies to man the bench at the SCOTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:11:12pm

re: #442 lawhawk

If Zombie Reagan can continue to reach out from beyond the grave, why not zombie Scalia?

But if we’re going to go there, zombie Marshall (either) and zombie Cardozo would school Scalia.

Zombie Brennan needs love too.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:13:07pm
Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; and that lands belonging to citizens of the United States, residing without the said state, shall never be taxed higher than the land belonging to the residents thereof; and that no taxes shall be imposed by said state on lands or property therein belonging to, or which may hereafter be purchased by, the United States, unless otherwise provided by the congress of the United States.

‘nuff said.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:13:22pm

re: #186 Belafon

This guitar looks like something straight out of a cyberpunk game:

indiegogo.com

I might be an old-timer, but guitars like that one are destined for early obsolescence.

I can imagine upgrading my phone and having it not fit the guitar. Gimme a guitar that’s not beholden to a phone to produce effects.

My lawn, get off it.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:14:33pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

Now that’s what I call a penumbra.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:16:01pm

re: #446 Amory Blaine

‘nuff said.

You mean becoming a state has consequences? The hell you say!

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:16:34pm

re: #446 Amory Blaine

‘nuff said.

Yeah, but we had this discussion back in ‘14, the wingnuts think that either A) the states were “forced” to agree to this and thus it’s unconstitutional or B) the federal government can’t constitutionally own land and so it was always the state’s no matter what their own constitutions say.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:17:00pm

re: #383 Reckless Disregard

I’ve always found duck to be too greasy.

Duck is the only bird that qualifies as red meat by the FDA.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:17:10pm

re: #450 Targetpractice

Yeah, but we had this discussion back in ‘14, the wingnuts think that either A) the states were “forced” to agree to this and thus it’s unconstitutional or B) the federal government can’t constitutionally own land and so it was always the state’s no matter what their own constitutions say.

The 2nd and 10th and forget about the other amendments.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:20:56pm
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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:21:16pm

“The constitution is unconstitutional!”

~strict constitutionalist

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Kafitrar  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:21:53pm

re: #451 Belafon

Duck is the only bird that qualifies as red meat by the FDA.

I love duck, especially in its roast and peking varieties.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:22:14pm

re: #441 Targetpractice

There was a discussion the other night about former-Gov Gilmore and the Car Tax here in VA that he failed to slay. The “ingenious” solution to doing away with the CT was supposed to be reimbursing individual cities and towns for the lost income in order to pay for maintaining the roads (which was the purpose of the CT). But when the number of cars ballooned during the late 90s boom, the state government chose to act in that classic GOP fashion: Cap the reimbursements and cut off all talk of increasing the gas tax to cover the shortage.

I lived in the Richmond area for only a year (2010-2011), but I learned a little bit about Virginia’s dynamics from natives. Your story doesn’t surprise me. It seemed like there was a strong pocket of Democrats in the north and maybe in (not around) Richmond, but it was military on the coast and old-school Republican except maybe Charlottesville elsewhere. I’ll admit that I was surprised to see black-owned farms. No such thing in the “keep moving or die” midwest that I grew up in.

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Unabogie  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:28:05pm

Now they’re telling me that if Hillary was president, David Brock would have a hand in picking SCOTUS nominees because he smeared Anita Hill back in the 1990s.

I am dealing with crazy people.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:29:10pm

The FBI confirmed it screwed up and reset the San Bernardino shooter’s iCloud password

The FBI has shed more light on its involvement in what is shaping up to be the most controversial piece of evidence in the investigation of San Bernardino terror suspect Syed Rizwan Farook: his iCloud account password.

Hours after Farook’s iPhone was recovered by law enforcement, the password to his iCloud account was reset. The reset was an attempt to gain access to his account. It also likely prevented the iPhone from doing an auto-backup, which could have yielded useful information about Farook’s activity leading up to the shooting that killed 14 people and wounded 22 others.

That kicked off a round of finger-pointing by Apple executives, the FBI, and San Bernardino County officials over who reset the iCloud password. In a statement issued in the wee hours of Sunday morning (you can read it below), the FBI confirmed it was working with San Bernardino County officials when the password was reset.

Apple executives said Friday that if the FBI hadn’t changed the iCloud password, it wouldn’t need to create a backdoor to the iPhone.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:33:03pm

Here we go. I’m taking a break from the eat.

It turned out perfect. My kitchen is a mess. (I do have a salad, so don’t worry about my green intake)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:33:08pm

re: #363 The Vicious Babushka

Looks like a brake seized up, overheated and caught the tire on fire. From there, chaos.

Riding in from the Hong Kong airport day before yesterday, we passed a city bus that had caught on fire — engine compartment, from the looks of it. Our bus stopped to pick up the shipwrecked passengers.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:34:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:34:41pm

re: #457 Unabogie

Now they’re telling me that if Hillary was president, David Brock would have a hand in picking SCOTUS nominees because he smeared Anita Hill back in the 1990s.

I am dealing with crazy people.

Jesus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:35:01pm

re: #460 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Looks like a brake seized up, overheated and caught the tire on fire. From there, chaos.

Riding in from the Hong Kong airport day before yesterday, we passed a city bus that had caught on fire — engine compartment, from the looks of it. Our bus stopped to pick up the shipwrecked passengers.

They would be buswrecked, not shipwrecked.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:35:05pm

Speaking of Hong Kong, I am leaving soon to return to the mainland. The vacation is coming to an end. Classes resume on the 29th. {{Sigh}}

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:36:50pm

re: #459 Stanley Sea

Here we go. I’m taking a break from the eat.

It turned out perfect. My kitchen is a mess. (I do have a salad, so don’t worry about my green intake)

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My wife has to have the meat brown. She will not eat any shade of red.

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b_sharp  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:38:07pm

re: #465 Belafon

My wife has to have the meat brown. She will not eat any shade of red.

Same with V.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:40:24pm

re: #465 Belafon

re: #466 b_sharp

Bummer for them.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:44:15pm

re: #409 goddamnedfrank

That sounds fab. Have you used it on other cuts? I’m not a leg gal ;-) (rack, various chops, shoulder, the area that makes good stew meat-it’s escaping me)

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BeachDem  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:46:50pm

re: #457 Unabogie

Now they’re telling me that if Hillary was president, David Brock would have a hand in picking SCOTUS nominees because he smeared Anita Hill back in the 1990s.

I am dealing with crazy people.

Lefties commenting about Obama during the Snowden lovefest:

Obama is getting exactly what he deserves - a thumb in the eye. Makes my day.

Obama is coming across as a cross between a thug and a spoiled brat-and this isn’t the first time.

I caught a glimpse of Joy Reid and Mellissa Harris Perry today on MSDNC about to physically attack some poor Swedish guy from Wikileaks for daring to confront their personal attacks on Snowden, Greenwald and Wikileaks. Personally, I’d prefer if those two would go ahead and wear short skirts, sweaters with a big “O” in the center and do some good cheers. “Hey, hey, BHO, how many leakers did you screw today-o?”

The hubris on display by the Empire and their minions reveal it and they to be the fools of the planet. The only people who take the Empire seriously are reactionary white men and Dimbots who can’t see past their appointed savior.

Someday the president will be looking for a pardon from Snowden.

And people wonder why Rand and Ron Paul have appeal……

At one point they were cheering calls for impeachment (based on a Daily Caller article quoting someone from The Nation—who had been talking about Bush in 2006.)

Most of those comments were from kos, although some were from DU and Crooks and Liars. I was gathering them for a blog post, and didn’t keep all the links. But damn, forget to give somebody one pony and you’re dead to them.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:51:42pm

re: #463 The Vicious Babushka

They would be buswrecked, not shipwrecked.

I believe “marooned” is the politically correct, non vehicle normative term.

/

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 5:57:41pm

re: #458 Amory Blaine

The FBI confirmed it screwed up and reset the San Bernardino shooter’s iCloud password

This makes no sense. Apple reset ms the password, the Feds enter password in device, device syncs, warrant gets all the info they want. What am I missing?

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2016 • 6:01:03pm

re: #471 WhatEVs

I believe the meat of this argument is this:

Apple held a call with reporters Friday afternoon and revealed that resetting the iCloud password effectively locked the iPhone maker out of accessing its backups. If the county didn’t reset the password, Apple would have likely been able to access the backup contents as it has done in past investigations without creating a backdoor to break the iPhone’s encryption.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2016 • 6:07:10pm

re: #472 Amory Blaine

I believe the meat of this argument is this:

I’m still confused. Do they not have access to the phone? If not, how did iCloud get reset? You’d have to be in the phone to reset iCloud.

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Lancelot Link  Feb 21, 2016 • 6:50:00pm

To be fair to Jim Hoft, perhaps he was unaware of the existence of “Progressive Insurance”; after all, they don’t really advertise that much.
/

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 21, 2016 • 7:00:55pm

re: #402 Stanley Sea

I’m hosting Easter it has been decided. Lamb is the menu. Deciding between a leg or rack. $$$$$$$$$$ love you Stanley!!

I cooked a leg of lamb for Christmas. Wonderful stuff. But I am going back to getting smaller quantities and making stew since I don’t eat it fast enough. Also helps that I found a decent halal butcher and can get lamb cheaper than Wegman’s sells it.


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