Former Mexican President Fox: Donald Trump Reminds Me of Hitler

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On CNN yesterday, former Mexican President Vicente Fox continued his scathing criticism of GOP front runner Donald Trump, saying Trump reminds him of Hitler.

Normally, this would be a violation of Godwin’s Law, but Trump’s populist, xenophobic and openly racist rhetoric really is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

“Today, he’s going to take that nation (U.S.) back to the old days of conflict, war and everything. I mean, he reminds me of Hitler. That’s the way he started speaking,” Fox told CNN’s Anderson Cooper in a phone interview on “Anderson Cooper 360.”

“He has offended Mexico, Mexicans, (and) immigrants. He has offended the Pope. He has offended the Chinese. He’s offended everybody.”

Fox’s comments come one day after he delivered a scathing response on Trump’s plan to make Mexico pay for a wall between the Mexico-U.S. border.

“I’m not going to pay for that f***ing wall,” Fox said in an interview with Fusion’s Jorge Ramos.

Here’s the interview with Jorge Ramos; and note that Donald Trump himself has often used profane language in his public speeches, so Trump’s theatrical demand that Fox “apologize” to him is hypocritical and insulting.

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289 comments
1
freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:59:00am

I wonder if the very intelligent folk at Vox will roll out another article about how Trump really isn’t a fascist?

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:59:26am

I am subjecting myself to some of this rambling speech today. What is he talking about with redefining libel? So nobody will ever be able to write anything critical of him? Seriously?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:59:48am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:00:58am

re: #2 bratwurst

I am subjecting myself to some of this rambling speech today. What is he talking about with redefining libel? So nobody will ever be able to write anything critical of him? Seriously?

It’s just more bullshit. He apparently has no idea what kind of powers a president actually has, because he couldn’t “redefine libel” in any case. That’s not something a president can do. It’s his gigantic ego talking again.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:01:23am

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:01:30am
…and note that Donald Trump himself has often used profane language in his public speeches, so Trump’s theatrical demand that Fox “apologize” to him is hypocritical and insulting.

Fox’s response to Trump should be, “Blow me.”

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:02:12am

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

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KGxvi  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:02:50am

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Fox’s response to Trump should be, “Blow me.”

Sadly, they’d have to bleep the first word in that response, which might make it better, actually.

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calochortus  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:03:24am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

Just a drive-by, but yeah, my mileage varies a lot from that. Trump doesn’t have a little mustache either, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t dabbling in fascism.

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KGxvi  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:03:42am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

Video

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:04:10am

I’m starting to think, though, that Trump might be right about Mexico paying for a wall if he’s elected - to keep out the escaping Americans.
///

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:04:43am
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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It’s just more bullshit. He apparently has no idea what kind of powers a president actually has, because he couldn’t “redefine libel” in any case. That’s not something a president can do. It’s his gigantic ego talking again.

Not even Congress can do that without passing a Constitutional Amendment, since its the 1st Amendment, as interpreted by the courts, that makes libel suits so difficult.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:06:28am

Trump will be in Tennessee in about 5 hours to do this again.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:07:22am

Fort Worth racist: “Go back to Mexico!”

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:07:35am

“… straighten out the libel laws..” so he can go after the NYT.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:07:40am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

You know as well as the rest of is that when Hitler is used as a description, no one is thinking of his military service.

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KGxvi  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:08:00am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Not even Congress can do that without passing a Constitutional Amendment, since its the 1st Amendment, as interpreted by the courts, that makes libel suits so difficult.

He’ll just appoint someone that will agree with him, maybe get Republican majorities in Congress to go along with a new Court packing scheme that would allow him to appoint five new justices his first week in office? I mean, that’s about as much respect as the GOP has shown for the judiciary and jurisprudence in the last month anyway.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:08:14am

Yes, a red neck.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:08:43am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

I agree with Governor in name only Christie. // Seriously, it is a legitimate point but is Christie the right one to make it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:09:06am

re: #12 jaunte

But the Hispanics loved him I thought so why would he worry?

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:09:11am

re: #15 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Fort Worth racist: “Go back to Mexico!”

I think we should start yelling at these people “Go back to Europe!”

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:09:34am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

He does not have a great deal in common with Hitler as a person, but it is a fact that nobody more like Hitler has ever come closer to securing the nomination of a major American political party.

I actually resisted the early tagging of Trump as a fascist. That was before he declared his intention to put a religious restriction on entering this country. Today I have no problem calling any person supporting this man fascist curious at the very least.

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:09:53am

re: #22 Belafon

I think that’s what they were saying to him, but I couldn’t hear it clearly.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:10:03am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:10:53am

re: #9 calochortus

Just a drive-by, but yeah, my mileage varies a lot from that. Trump doesn’t have a little mustache either, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t dabbling in fascism.

Hitler notably wasn’t blonde too. Shrug, it is a difference but not a dime’s difference to what Fox is talking about here.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:10:57am

“… no more oreos…” - I wonder how many times Trump has to repeat this until people get the entendre?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:11:09am

re: #16 freetoken

“… straighten out the libel laws..” so he can go after the NYT.

Since the major defense in libel is the truth, Trump loses before he even starts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:11:13am

re: #23 bratwurst

He does not have a great deal in common with Hitler as a person, but it is a fact that nobody more like Hitler has ever come closer to securing the nomination of a major American political party.

I actually resisted the early tagging to Trump as a fascist. That was before he declared his intention to put a religious restriction on entering this country. Today I have no problem calling any person supporting this man fascist curious at the very least.

This so much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:11:39am

re: #17 Belafon

You know as well as the rest of is that when Hitler is used as a description, no one is thinking of his military service.

We’re also not hung up on whether Trump is a Uniballer, as Hitler reportedly was, or a vegetarian whose diet consisted primarily of beans, leading to chronic flatulence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:12:16am

OT rant time but people on IGN are fucking useless. Don’t respond to my thread asking for help with a game by trashing the game jackasses.

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blueraven  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:12:20am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

But HE thinks he has military service.

Donald J. Trump, who received draft deferments through much of the Vietnam War, told the author of a coming biography that he nevertheless “always felt that I was in the military” because of his education at a military-themed boarding school.

Mr. Trump said his experience at the New York Military Academy, an expensive prep school where his parents had sent him to correct poor behavior, gave him “more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:12:31am

To me, Trump is more like Il Duce than he is like Hitler.

Just saying…

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:12:53am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

Come on. There are even front page contributors at RedState who are on record to the effect that Trump is running plays from from the Nazi playbook of Weimar Germany.

Can you at least admit that Trumpism is by far the most fascist thing we’ve seen in US politics?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:13:01am

re: #32 blueraven

But HE thinks he has military service.

He also thinks his sleeping around was his personal Nam. This is the end, this is the end, the end of hookers my friend.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:13:38am

re: #17 Belafon

You know as well as the rest of is that when Hitler is used as a description, no one is thinking of his military service.

It was a key part of Hitler’s credibility, and while I know how things have changed, Trump’s playing a tough guy without the scars and service to prove it are something that bothers me about Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:14:05am

re: #32 blueraven

But HE thinks he has military service.

And all that dangerous dating he did at the time that he claims was just as dangerous actually serving in Vietnam.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:14:55am

re: #17 Belafon

You know as well as the rest of is that when Hitler is used as a description, no one is thinking of his military service.

I’m taking DL’s comment as a simple shot at Trump for equating an elite reform school with military service.

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blueraven  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:15:00am

And the endorsements keep rolling along…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:15:09am

LOL!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:15:23am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

And all that dangerous dating he did at the time that he claims was just as dangerous actually serving in Vietnam.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO SPLIT A CHECK AND DATE A WOMAN HALF YOUR AGE? YOU WEREN’T THERE MAN!

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:15:43am

the guy who keeps giving a closed fist salute… I don’t know if Trump knows what to think about it, as it’s being done right in front of him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:15:50am

re: #39 blueraven

And the endorsements keep rolling along…

He’s got Willders too doesn’t he? The two have uh simliar hair.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:16:18am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It was a key part of Hitler’s credibility, and while I know how things have changed, Trump’s playing a tough guy without the scars and service to prove it are something that bothers me about Donald Trump.

Are you intentionally missing all the points here? Nobody cares about Trump’s credentials for being a fascist strong man.

What I care about is that he is resurrecting that filthy ideology and adapting it to US politics in every one of his statements and public appearances.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:16:37am

re: #42 freetoken

the guy who keeps giving a closed fist salute… I don’t know if Trump knows what to think about it, as it’s being done right in front of him.

Derp Power?

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blueraven  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:17:28am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It was a key part of Hitler’s credibility, and while I know how things have changed, Trump’s playing a tough guy without the scars and service to prove it are something that bothers me about Donald Trump.

Really? THAT is what bothers you about Trump?

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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:17:43am

re: #33 freetoken

To me, Trump is more like Il Duce than he is like Hitler.

Just saying…

He sure does have the physical mannerisms down.

And Trump may be a bit more slick than ol’ Uncle Adolph in the marketing department.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:18:13am
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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:18:25am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump: “I’m so non-litigious it’s amazing”

That means he’s only sued about a tenth of the people he wanted to sue.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:19:19am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It was a key part of Hitler’s credibility, and while I know how things have changed, Trump’s playing a tough guy without the scars and service to prove it are something that bothers me about Donald Trump.

Well Fox is saying he’s like Hitler, not he’s a carbon copy of Hitler. Germany in the 1920’s was in a different place of America of the mid 2010’s but what Fox is saying and where I agree with him being like Hitler is how Trump scapegoats entire ethnic or religious groups and how he has no problem with encouraging violence either. And honestly Hitler’s war experience wasn’t unique. The KPD (German Communist Party)’s leader, Ernst Rhalmann was also a veteran as were many of the men of that generation trying to get power in itnerwar Germany.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:20:04am

re: #47 ObserverArt

He sure does have the physical mannerisms down.

And Trump may be a bit more slick than ol’ Uncle Adolph in the marketing department.

The Wharton School versus the streets of Vienna.

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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:20:08am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

I’m taking DL’s comment as a simple shot at Trump for equating an elite reform school with military service.

You’re so generous. So I deleted mine.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:21:05am

re: #46 blueraven

Really? THAT is what bothers you about Trump?

My suspicion is that this is a distraction to avoid the inconvenient truth that Trump is bringing fascism to America.

Because if Trump is bringing fascism to America, a majority of GOP primary voters are the voters that are voting for fascism.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:21:11am

re: #52 wrenchwench

You’re so generous. So I deleted mine.

Wife calls me Mary Fuckn’ Sunshine.

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Kryptik  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:21:34am

re: #44 EPR-radar

Are you intentionally missing all the points here? Nobody cares about Trump’s credentials for being a fascist strong man.

What I care about is that he is resurrecting that filthy ideology and adapting it to US politics in every one of his statements and public appearances.

More and more, I expect DF to complain “But he can’t be taking cues from Hitler, he doesn’t even speak German!” Just the obsessiveness about the minutiae in order to dismiss any sort of negativity toward the GOP from the left.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:21:34am

MacArthur! Patton!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:21:41am

re: #44 EPR-radar

Are you intentionally missing all the points here? Nobody cares about Trump’s credentials for being a fascist strong man.

What I care about is that he is resurrecting that filthy ideology and adapting it to US politics in every one of his statements and public appearances.

Pretty much. Pedantry doesn’t excuse it, either. I come from a very pedantic family, and not one of us is that obtuse.

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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:22:19am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

[Embedded content]

You know…he says just anything and it gets play.

So…when will he just come right out and say”

“I am a direct decedent of God sent here as His Ultimate Human Messenger. A vote against me is a vote against the Almighty, My Father and I wouldn’t mess around because He is pissed off and so am I as His Messenger!”

Anything going to stop him? Would that be too far?

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jaunte  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:22:45am

re: #33 freetoken

To me, Trump is more like Il Duce than he is like Hitler.

Just saying…

Look at the first comment:

MUSSOLINI SPEECH-NAPOLI 1931

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:23:57am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

I’m taking DL’s comment as a simple shot at Trump for equating an elite reform school with military service.

“DL”? And you’re right about what I was saying. Bad as Hitler and Mussolini were, at least they could honestly say they’d stood fire and shown physical courage. Trump has never been in a firefight, never had to actually prove his boasts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:24:20am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Khaleesi is coming to Westeros y’all//

Trump: You’re such a LOOOZER, and a DUMMY!

Hillary: Dracaris.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:24:27am

What we have here is a mainstream party candidate that has called for the deportation of people based entirely on their religion. Take that in for a second. Imagine your own families Imagine the Jews fleeing the pogroms of the Russian empire and Teddy Roosevelt or whoever the President was saying “No Jews PERIOD, sorry” or Catholics escaping discrimination, “No Papists.” What Trump is doing is unprecedented and it’s frankly scary as shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:24:50am

re: #58 ObserverArt

You know…he says just anything and it gets play.

So…when will he just come right out and say”

“I am a direct decedent of God sent here as His Ultimate Human Messenger. A vote against me is a vote against the Almighty, My Father and I wouldn’t mess around because He is pissed off and so am I as His Messenger!”

Anything going to stop him? Would that be too far?

He’ll have to cage match Cruz’s father to claim that…

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nkdee  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:25:03am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

I smell Vice Presidential nominee in Christie’s future.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:25:44am

re: #64 nkdee

I smell Vice Presidential nominee in Christie’s future.

I’d be shocked if it was him but seeing that, it may very well be. I still think Trump goes with someone with more stronger religoius conservative ties and is more western or southern.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:26:06am

Who the hell knows though. This is the weirdest campaign ever.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:26:06am

re: #64 nkdee

I smell Vice Presidential nominee in Christie’s future.

Are you mistaking the waft of a really fine Jersey calzone?

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:26:50am

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll have to cage match Cruz’s father to claim that…

So they’d be fighting over if the messaging vehicle got put on Cruz Control?

;)

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:27:43am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Are mistaking the waft of a really fine Jersey calzone?

No, because Christie ate the calzone.

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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:28:23am

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’ll have to cage match Cruz’s father to claim that…

Cruz only hints.

TRUMP® will tell you that. And, it will be great.

Teddy’s daddy…a lightweight in this fight. Trump would turn his mean machine on him and he’d be back in Canada in a week.

/

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:28:32am

They will ALL fall into line behind him. ALL. OF. THEM.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:29:05am

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

No, because Christie ate the calzone.

I’m assuming he’ll go back to Trenton someday.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:29:48am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Also don’t say “HUR HUR WORKS FER ME DERP!”

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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:30:15am

re: #72 Decatur Deb

I’m assuming he’ll go back to Trenton someday.

Maybe he is going to do the Republican thing and delay and block his own return until he is out of office!

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:30:27am

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

“DL”? And you’re right about what I was saying. Bad as Hitler and Mussolini were, at least they could honestly say they’d stood fire and shown physical courage. Trump has never been in a firefight, never had to actually prove his boasts.

Let’s go for baby steps here. As I recall, you have indicated that you won’t vote for Trump in the general election. Great. I can imagine two basic reasons for this:

1) Trump will lose in the general election, and he is an embarrassment to the party, so I won’t vote for him.

2) Trump is fostering fascism in the US, and I won’t vote for anyone of that sort, whether or not he runs as a Republican.

So which is it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:31:08am

re: #71 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

They will ALL fall into line behind him. ALL. OF. THEM.

He’s really going with the con artist line huh. I think that’ll work out as well as his line about Obama “knowing exactly what he’s dong.” What Trump is going to do and I don’t fault him at all for doing this is going to attack Rubio for being a do nothing legislator who likes to talk tough but doesn’t actually do much at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:32:16am

re: #73 Sherlock Hound

Also don’t say “HUR HUR WORKS FER ME DERP!”

Heh so true.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:33:51am

Grabbing an hour nap—going to a Bernie houseparty tonight to see how many of them I can shame into a GOTV commitment.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:34:08am

re: #75 EPR-radar

Actually, its something else:

3) Donald Trump is thin-skinned, wrathful, and impetuous, and in the dangerous times the USA finds itself such negative qualities are not acceptable in a president. The odds of the world getting blown up over a tiff would too high.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:36:52am

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Actually, its something else:

3) Donald Trump is thin-skinned, wrathful, and impetuous, and in the dangerous times the USA finds itself such negative qualities are not acceptable in a president. The odds of the world getting blown up over a tiff would too high.

Interestingly, in the eyes of a majority of your party’s base, that’s exactly what they want in a President.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:37:17am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Hitler notably wasn’t blonde too. Shrug, it is a difference but not a dime’s difference to what Fox is talking about here.

Pardon if already said, but Trump isn’t the ‘blonde’ he is sporting now. Photos of him when younger should lightish brown hair. His hair gets blonder with every week on the campaign trail.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:38:00am

re: #80 Blind Frog Belly White

Interestingly, in the eyes of a majority of your party’s base, that’s exactly what they want in a President.

They can want that, but I’m not them.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:38:05am

America:

Education from a Biblical worldview

Athens Christian Preparatory Academy started with 16 students in the fall of 2008 and the accredited, non-denominational Christian school now boasts an enrollment of more than 75 students in grades seventh through 12th.

As the only private school in Henderson County [Texastan], ACPA does not strive to compete with public schools for their students. Instead, ACPA wants to keep the families who seek private education from driving to Tyler on a daily basis.

Headmistress Teresa DeMay founded the school with a desire to create a place where students received a Biblical worldview education.

[…]

ACPA draws students from more than 20 communities around the area, including some from Van Zandt and Smith counties.
The top priority for the academy is to present the students with a Biblical worldview education. The second priority is academics.

“For instance, in Biblical worldview science we teach about evolution because they are going to encounter it, but we teach it as a theory, not a law,” she said. “That allows us to also teach the weaknesses in the theory. We also teach intelligent design theory and creationism. In our estimation, that is actually the more scientific method because we’re presenting all the evidence and saying, ‘Now you decide.’”

DeMay explained that in history courses, a Biblical worldview is to not leave out the Christian influence in history, especially in the United States and the writing of the Constitution.

[…]

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:39:48am

Nice new avatar Dark.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:40:23am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

They can want that, but I’m not them.

That’s pretty much exactly what I told my gay Republican friend. He describes himself as a ‘Teddy Roosevelt Republican’, which today would make him an Obama Democrat. Same as an Eisenhower Republican. The GOP has been working assiduously to kill off any vestiges of its non-crazy past. They’ll get to you soon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:40:49am

re: #81 retired cynic

Pardon if already said, but Trump isn’t the ‘blonde’ he is sporting now. Photos of him when younger should lightish brown hair. His hair gets blonder with every week on the campaign trail.

Heh you do have a point.

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Kryptik  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:40:51am

re: #83 freetoken

In our estimation, that is actually the more scientific method because we’re presenting all the evidence and saying, ‘Now you decide.’

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mmmirele  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:40:51am

re: #83 freetoken

America:

Education from a Biblical worldview

You mean MURKA.

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weave  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:42:25am

Awww the poor folks over at Redstate are in full panic mode over Trump. Almost every article for past few days is some post about how horrible Trump is.

I wonder what will happen if Trump is nominated. Will they scrub their site and reboot their attitude about the guy? “Vote for Trump. He’s better than Hillary”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:42:58am

re: #81 retired cynic

Pardon if already said, but Trump isn’t the ‘blonde’ he is sporting now. Photos of him when younger should lightish brown hair. His hair gets blonder with every week on the campaign trail.

blonder & crispier.

Teleski guy said last night that he doesn’t look healthy at ALL. I agree.

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No Depression  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:43:41am

re: #83 freetoken

America:

Education from a Biblical worldview

At least they’re sustainable! /

With the potential of expanding facilities, DeMay sees the opportunity for diverse expansion of educational opportunities as well.

“We have also a really big self-sustainability philosophy. For us, that means a lot of things. Energy wise, we want to add a super-roof with solar cells on top of it. Our lake will be used for geothermal coils. We want to do a lot of energy engineering using traditional methods and non-traditional methods. When we start that, we will begin to emphasize a pre-engineering program for energy,” she said.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:43:57am

re: #90 Stanley Sea

blonder & crispier.

Teleski guy said last night that he doesn’t look healthy at ALL. I agree.

And imagine how that portrait that he keeps in the locked closet is starting to look?

RBS

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:44:40am

re: #12 jaunte

Hmm, I wonder why he mentioned the judge is Hispanic??

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:45:11am

re: #84 Stanley Sea

Nice new avatar Dark.

Thanks, I think it fits me these days.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:45:13am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

They can want that, but I’m not them.

Same here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:45:45am

re: #90 Stanley Sea

blonder & crispier.

Teleski guy said last night that he doesn’t look healthy at ALL. I agree.

I have uncles around his age. They look more healthy. His doctor’s statement read like Trump himself could have written. The whole part about Trump being more healthy than the other Presidents just made me laugh since how the hell does this quack know the physical health of James A. Garfield when he became president (which I think was quite fine until Charles Guttieau had something to say about that.).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:47:19am

jeez…the bar for mature discourse between the GOP candidates has been buried so deep…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:47:53am

I have a Seymour the tortoise update.

He’s off the ventilator & breathing on his own. My friend put a DNR order on him. (ha - so weird)

The main Vet is out of town, hoping he hangs on until his return on Monday.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:48:01am

Hey Dark,

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:48:16am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think it is at the level of the Dead Sea. /half

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:48:25am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I have uncles around his age. They look more healthy. His doctor’s statement read like Trump himself could have written. The whole part about Trump being more healthy than the other Presidents just made me laugh since how the hell does this quack know the physical health of James A. Garfield when he became president (which I think was quite fine until Charles Guttieau had something to say about that.).

And if it hadn’t been for his doctors, Garfield would have survived the bullet, too. Guttieau tried to use that as a defense at his trial, but the jury properly rejected it and he was found guilty and hanged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:48:59am
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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:49:11am

A study in ears:

static2.politico.com

One of Marco’s problems is his looks. Yes, he looks young, and relatively he is young. That is a strength, supposedly.

But Rubio desperately needs a new hair style - longer, partially covering the ears… avoid the proto-comb-over that is developing.

And he keeps wearing that blue-grey shirt. Just no. Especially with that tie.

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uncah91  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:49:28am

I’m mostly a lurker, but I think it’s a mistake to say (at this point) that Trump is promoting fascist ideology.

He shares many traits with dictators of various stripes. He is thin-skinned, and employs angry, racist, demagogic, populist rhetoric. He appeals to a desire for an authoritarian strong man who knows what is best and just does it.

But he isn’t promoting aggressive, nationalistic, total war. If anything, his rhetoric has tended to be on the isolationist side.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:49:42am

re: #99 Jenner7

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:50:26am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

And if it hadn’t been for his doctors, Garfield would have survived the bullet, too. Guttieau tried to use that as a defense at his trial, but the jury properly rejected it and he was found guilty and hanged.

Yeah I think there was actually a book that got some acclaim about it. Garfield, pretty interesting guy actually. I have no idea what kind of President he’d been if he had lived but his son ended up being Teddy Roosevelt’s Interior Secretary I believe.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:50:26am
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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:50:27am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I have uncles around his age. They look more healthy. His doctor’s statement read like Trump himself could have written. The whole part about Trump being more healthy than the other Presidents just made me laugh since how the hell does this quack know the physical health of James A. Garfield when he became president (which I think was quite fine until Charles Guttieau had something to say about that.).

The gunshot wound probably wasn’t what did Garfield in. His doctors having their grubby meathooks in his innards was likely more of a problem.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:50:32am

And now, since things are comparatively calm, I’m going to get going. BBL

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:50:44am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank G-d that PA’s Governor is a Democrat. We will not be hearing that Gov Wolf is for that Trump person.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:51:20am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeez…the bar for mature discourse between the GOP candidates has been buried so deep…

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Really going with your face jokes? I’m sure Lincoln would have something witty to say to that. Trump will just threaten to sue Rubio for insulting his looks.

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mmmirele  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:51:57am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Most days I want to ship back my high school diploma, BA and JD to Texas (where I earned them). Today is a day where I wish I didn’t live in Arizona. *sigh*

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:51:58am

re: #12 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:52:28am

re: #108 EPR-radar

The gunshot wound probably wasn’t what did Garfield in. His doctors having their grubby meathooks in his innards was likely more of a problem.

Yeah i know. But the doctors wouldn’t have been able to mess that up if the original deranged office shooter hadn’t gone mad. Really, everyone knows about JFK and Lincoln’s assassiantions but McKinley and Garfield’s are just as interesting and of course tragic.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:52:36am

So the past catches up with Walesa … again.

It was conclusively proven already in 2008 (in this book) that Walesa used to be an SB (communist security service) informer in the 1970s. The documentary evidence in the book was exemplary, Walesa’s cries of “commie fakes!” notwithstanding. I commented on it here a few years ago.

Now this happens:
nytimes.com

But he faces new allegations from a trove of documents that prosecutors confiscated on Tuesday from the home of the widow of Gen. Czeslaw Kiszczak, who as interior minister helped crush Solidarity in 1981, when martial law was imposed, and was briefly, in 1989, the country’s final prime minister under the Communist regime.

These documents don’t really add much new info as such, but it’s an entirely new source independent from the previous ones which corresponds to the old ones in all particulars. Of course Walesa engaged in the tired “it’s all fake” routine, and his fanatical followers will probably swallow it too, but by this point it’s on par with Holocaust denial.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:54:37am
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danarchy  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:55:08am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Really going with your face jokes? I’m sure Lincoln would have something witty to say to that. Trump will just threaten to sue Rubio for insulting his looks.

Rubio had a good line about Trumps spray tan, but I am still waiting for the first yer ma joke, cause that’s where it seems to be heading.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:56:03am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Way to go Donella. And congrats on being 106. Wow. :)

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makeitstop  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:56:32am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Trump lacks the war service to be like Hitler in my mind.

But that’s just me, YMMV.

Let the justifications begin.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:56:33am

re: #104 uncah91

Trump is definitely doing the strongman/authoritarian thing.

But I disagree with you about the fascism. If you look at Italy or Brazil in the 1930’s and 1940’s, a great deal of the fascism was about nationalism, about creating an idealistic nation based on the past glories (Italy) or some mythical better man (Brazil).

The directing of private companies (in Trump’s case, Ford, Nabisco, etc.) to serve what a strongman considers best for a Nation does indeed strike as fascism.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:58:02am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:58:37am

re: #120 freetoken

Freetoken you are on the mark.

Sorry I spelled your name wrong. I corrected it in the original.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:59:59am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, but she only voted for Hillary because she’s seen 106 years of history. That’s so shallow.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:00:18pm

re: #120 freetoken

Trump is definitely doing the strongman/authoritarian thing.

But I disagree with you about the fascism. If you look at Italy or Brazil in the 1930’s and 1940’s, a great deal of the fascism was about nationalism, about creating an idealistic nation based on the past glories (Italy) or some mythical better man (Brazil).

The directing of private companies (in Trump’s case, Ford, Nabisco, etc.) to serve what a strongman considers best for a Nation does indeed strike as fascism.

Necessary for fascism was the rejection of democracy (Putin’s Russia with its falsified elections fulfills this criterion), whereas Trump is acting within the democratic system as of yet. So I think unless we are using “fascist” as an insult (and I’m not against that), he doesn’t qualify as of yet. Proto-fascist/fascistoid fits better, IMHO.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:01:44pm

re: #115 Nyet

So the past catches up with Walesa … again.

It was conclusively proven already in 2008 (in this book) that Walesa used to be an SB (communist security service) informer in the 1970s. The documentary evidence in the book was exemplary, Walesa’s cries of “commie fakes!” notwithstanding. I commented on it here a few years ago.

Now this happens:
nytimes.com

These documents don’t really add much new info as such, but it’s an entirely new source independent from the previous ones which corresponds to the old ones in all particulars. Of course Walesa engaged in the tired “it’s all fake” routine, and his fanatical followers will probably swallow it too, but by this point it’s on par with Holocaust denial.

Fascinating stuff. He was quite a hero for a long time and as you get still is in some circles. I often wonder about my own family in Slovakia and Slovenia during that time period.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:02:16pm

I’m not staying this afternoon, but I couldn’t resist dropping these off:

Sovereign citizen at courthouse annoys the crap out of everyone for the first three minutes, then ends up getting tased: “Let the record show that you just battered me and you’re using— *ZAP!! SovCit screams, falls to floor, begs & pleads, then starts mouthing off again* “Put the cuffs on ‘im.” *SovCit starts up again, followed by sound of handcuffs ratcheting shut… fade to black* I couldn’t help myself—I LOL.:

Later, lizrds.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:02:36pm
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uncah91  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:02:47pm

re: #120 freetoken

Trump is definitely doing the strongman/authoritarian thing.

But I disagree with you about the fascism. If you look at Italy or Brazil in the 1930’s and 1940’s, a great deal of the fascism was about nationalism, about creating an idealistic nation based on the past glories (Italy) or some mythical better man (Brazil).

The directing of private companies (in Trump’s case, Ford, Nabisco, etc.) to serve what a strongman considers best for a Nation does indeed strike as fascism.

To the extent that we start seeing Trump taking an “all for the nation” tack, I’d agree that you start getting into fascism territory.

But I find it hard to see Trump pivoting to an “all must sacrifice for the good of Uncle Sam” message, which seems to me like an essential part of fascism.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:03:25pm

If you can’t allow the sitting President an up or down vote on an SC judge, you do not believe in the constitution and you are nothing more than a partisan hack.

Full fucken stop, period…

There I feel better now, thank you.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:03:36pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:03:41pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

He sure does have the physical mannerisms down.

And Trump may be a bit more slick than ol’ Uncle Adolph in the marketing department.

Adolph’s marketing may leave you flat, but it wowed his target audience, bitter German WWI vets.

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:04:53pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

Teleski guy said last night that he doesn’t look healthy at ALL. I agree.

Excuse me? Did you not read what Dr. Bornstein said?

“Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.”

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:05:08pm

re: #126 CuriousLurker

That dumbass needs to just have a taser rigged up to zap him whenever he utters certain key words.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:05:32pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think about women like her and my dad’s mom a lot. They were alive when women got the right to vote. Anyhow, I think is my dad’s mom were still with us, she’d be voting for Hillary too. She was always so proud of a Christmas card she got from the Clinton WH. I’m not sure if President and Mrs. Clinton personally signed it or not but she was always proud of that. I also think she considering my grandfather came from a Republican family got him on the right side of things. I hope this lady lives to history made a second time with Clinton becoming the first woman elected.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:06:52pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Amen.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:08:09pm

One of the standard definitions of fascism is palingenetic ultranationalism.

Trump obviously fulfills the ultranationalism part. Palingenesis though is not simply “Make us great again”, rather it is a radical break with the old system. If Pres. Trump abolishes the elections, or goes Putin and lets the trappings of democracy remain, completely hollowed out, then he will fulfill the first criterion.

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bratwurst  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:08:46pm
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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:13:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:13:53pm

re: #138 Kragar

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That sounds painful.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:14pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

It was a key part of Hitler’s credibility, and while I know how things have changed, Trump’s playing a tough guy without the scars and service to prove it are something that bothers me about Donald Trump.

So if he had served, you’d find his bullshit less odious?

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:23pm

Have a good afternoon, Lizards. BBL later tonight..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:24pm
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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:27pm

re: #137 bratwurst

Me!

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:43pm

re: #138 Kragar

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I can think of 1001 things Cruz SHOULD apologize for, but what is he apologizing for that prompted this. (and why do suspect it’s a fauxpology?)

RBS

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:14:56pm

re: #136 Nyet

One of the standard definitions of fascism is palingenetic ultranationalism.

Trump obviously fulfills the ultranationalism part. Palingenesis though is not simply “Make us great again”, rather it is a radical break with the old system. If Pres. Trump abolishes the elections, or goes Putin and lets the trappings of democracy remain, completely hollowed out, then he will fulfill the first criterion.

It’s been linked here many times before, but Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism is on point.

IMO, the US Republican party already matches enough of Eco’s 14 points to qualify as presently proto-fascist and rapidly moving to full fascism.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:15:01pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I do like Pinestraw’s economic policies.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:15:25pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that a straw poll?

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:15:41pm

re: #144 Reality Based Steve

I can think of 1001 things Cruz SHOULD apologize for, but what is he apologizing for that prompted this. (and why do suspect it’s a fauxpology?)

RBS

The “Ben Carson has dropped out” rumor during the Iowa caucus.

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freetoken  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:15:47pm

re: #124 Nyet

I agree that fascism led to the loss of democracy. But Mussolini entered the national stage as a politician in elections. Even the Nazis entered through elections. In Brazil, Vargas was installed in a coup, but before that there were elections (though from my brief reading of Brazilian history the elections were more like cronyism.)

Dictatorship - the end of elections - came after democratic elections changed the landscape and ushered in hyper-nationalism .

Now I don’t think the US is about to give up elections any time soon. But here I will note that even this week we have former US Rep. Michelle Bachmann asking why non-taxpayers get to vote.

But I find it frustrating that too many people are giving Trump the out that he’s not really fascist because he’s running in an election.

Even an hour ago, Trump said he wanted the Iowa GOP to throw out Ted Cruz’s victory in the caucus.

As weird as the Iowa caucus is, it is still a type of an election.

And Trump says he believes that Ted’s victory should be thrown out.

Which means that Trump is now campaigning to overturn an election (of sorts.)

An hour ago, Trump repeated that he wants to change the libel laws so he can go after the NYT.

So, yes, call Trump proto-fascist if that makes a difference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:16:15pm

re: #144 Reality Based Steve

I can think of 1001 things Cruz SHOULD apologize for, but what is he apologizing for that prompted this. (and why do suspect it’s a fauxpology?)

RBS

It could be what happened with Rubio and faith. The Cruz campaign took a quote by Rubio about his faith and totally twisted it that Rubio said the opposite of what he said I believe. Really sleazy stuff since Cruz did fire someone over it though of course the buck stops there and Cruz is ultimately responsible.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:16:33pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

The “Ben Carson has dropped out” rumor during the Iowa caucus.

ah, thanks.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:16:34pm

Proto-fascist works for me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:16:53pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

The “Ben Carson has dropped out” rumor during the Iowa caucus.

Oh that.

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:16:55pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

No worse that freezing off a wart in Steve’s case.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:18:27pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Proto-fascist works for me.

Assholicus Maximus

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:19:09pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pinestraw has my vote. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:19:25pm
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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:19:27pm

Donald Gay Trump

HaHaHa!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:20:02pm

re: #133 Kragar

That dumbass needs to just have a taser rigged up to zap him whenever he utters certain key words.

Normally SovCit videos just aggravate the crap out of me. But, that one gave a hearty chuckle.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:20:26pm

re: #158 retired cynic

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Video

HaHaHa!

Somehow he’s less bitchy here.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:20:31pm

re: #149 freetoken

The entire Republican party is fascism waiting to happen. For example, we have millions of heavily propagandized fools fed all kinds of backstab legends by Fox News et al. that are ripe for the picking by the first demagogue to come along.

Trump is turning that potential into reality. The fact that he is running as a candidate in a democratic system is completely irrelevant. Hitler did exactly that in Germany.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:21:40pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:21:41pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone in Hillary’s camp knows how to use the language. That is a good one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:21:42pm

Who are the people behind him? I assume some of the women are his daughters?

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Kragar  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:21:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:22:54pm

re: #165 Kragar

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or in some cases is more extreme.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:23:24pm

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

Someone in Hillary’s camp knows how to use the language. That is a good one.

And people knock English majors and minors. Yes, I’m a former English minor and yes I vote.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:23:42pm

re: #161 EPR-radar

I don’t think it would have happened with any other, um, jerk. He had a lifetime building up that obnoxious persona, so that when he does in on the political stage, his ‘people’ believe it. I don’t think anyone else could make that sort of play.

We just have to hope the American people see through it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:24:19pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I’d be shocked if it was him but seeing that, it may very well be. I still think Trump goes with someone with more stronger religoius conservative ties and is more western or southern.

That is what a traditional politician would do, to balance the ticket. Trump doesn’t play by the rules. I honestly don’t have the slightest idea who his VP will be, though I assume Christie just made the short list.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:24:36pm

I’ve been wondering who Trumpenftien will get to build his big TexMex wall.

Private contractors hiring immigrants?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:25:02pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Me too. I will admit I do have a tendency toward sarcasm. :/

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:25:07pm

re: #161 EPR-radar

The National Socialists were obstructive in the extreme.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:25:43pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Who are the people behind him? I assume some of the women are his daughters?

Left, daughter, right, wife.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:26:17pm

re: #169 Big Beautiful Door

That is what a traditional politician would do, to balance the ticket. Trump doesn’t play by the rules. I honestly don’t have the slightest idea who his VP will be, though I assume Christie just made the short list.

That’s true.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:26:35pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Agreed, with emphasis on “not there yet”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:26:50pm

re: #173 retired cynic

Left, daughter, right, wife.

Yeah that’s right. Who are the older man and woman?

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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:26:56pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Who are the people behind him? I assume some of the women are his daughters?

The woman on his left is Melanoma, his wife. On his right is his hot daughter he’d LTF.

I don’t know about the other one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:27:44pm

re: #177 Skip Intro

The woman on his left is Melanoma, his wife. On his right is his hot daughter he’d LTF.

I don’t know about the other one.

Yeah blonde moment here.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:28:14pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

Thanks for posting that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:28:41pm

re: #89 weave

Awww the poor folks over at Redstate are in full panic mode over Trump. Almost every article for past few days is some post about how horrible Trump is.

I wonder what will happen if Trump is nominated. Will they scrub their site and reboot their attitude about the guy? “Vote for Trump. He’s better than Hillary”

Pass the popcorn, its going to get very interesting.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:29:40pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

I can’t. I am saving it for the series finale of Downton Abbey.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:32:24pm

re: #104 uncah91

I’m mostly a lurker, but I think it’s a mistake to say (at this point) that Trump is promoting fascist ideology.

He shares many traits with dictators of various stripes. He is thin-skinned, employs angry, racist, demagogic, populist rhetoric. He appeals to a desire for an authoritarian strong man who knows what is best and just does it.

But he isn’t promoting aggressive, nationalistic, total war. If anything, his rhetoric has tended to be on the isolationist side.

Franco smartly kept Spain out of WWII. But he was still a fascist.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:32:32pm

re: #149 freetoken

I agree that fascism led to the loss of democracy. But Mussolini entered the national stage as a politician in elections. Even the Nazis entered through elections. In Brazil, Vargas was installed in a coup, but before that there were elections (though from my brief reading of Brazilian history the elections were more like cronyism.)

True, and there is no contradiction: fascists certainly can come to power democratically. It’s what their end goals are that matters. Their aim was always to abolish democracy. To make the last election the last (real) one.

It’s hard to say what Trump’s end goals are, but it doesn’t seem that abolishing democracy is one of them. Insofar as he wants to mutilate it though, he gives off the fascist vibe. So as an insult it’s not wrongheaded to call him a fascist. In a more academic context, not so much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:32:58pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:33:08pm

OK, what just happened?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:33:18pm

Something just changed in the code and now all the paragraph breaks appear to be gone.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:34:12pm

re: #186 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And formatting.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:34:44pm

I think Charles is playing around behind the scenes and something just got …borked. ;)

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:34:46pm

re: #110 PhillyPretzel

Thank G-d that PA’s Governor is a Democrat. We will not be hearing that Gov Wolf is for that Trump person.

I’m expecting Bevin to endorse Trump before the March 5 caucus. He and McConnell aren’t exactly best buds.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:35:05pm

The hamsters are revolting!!!!

RBS

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:35:09pm

delete!

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:35:11pm

I did it. I Borked the Thread.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:35:44pm

re: #190 Reality Based Steve

The hamsters are revolting!!!! RBS

I, for one, welcome our new hamster overlords. All Hail Leader Stinky!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:36:10pm

re: #193 Nyet

lol.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:37:34pm

re: #193 Nyet

IT WAS A HATCHET JOB!!!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:37:45pm

re: #115 Nyet

“

So the past catches up with Walesa … again.

It was conclusively proven already in 2008 (in this book) that Walesa used to be an SB (communist security service) informer in the 1970s. The documentary evidence in the book was exemplary, Walesa’s cries of “commie fakes!” notwithstanding. I commented on it here a few years ago.

Now this happens:
nytimes.com

These documents don’t really add much new info as such, but it’s an entirely new source independent from the previous ones which corresponds to the old ones in all particulars. Of course Walesa engaged in the tired “it’s all fake” routine, and his fanatical followers will probably swallow it too, but by this point it’s on par with Holocaust denial.

” Do ALL of my heroes have to turn out to have been awful people?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:39:50pm
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Reality Based Steve  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:41:09pm

I’ll be back. I’m trying a lighter version of Linux (Lubunto) on my old netbook. The other distro worked, but performance was poor. (poor box only has 1 gig of ram and a 1.6 gig atom processor). I’ll probably upgrade it to 2 gig, cost will be less than 20 bucks.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:41:09pm

Weird.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:42:25pm

Reload and all will be fine.

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uncah91  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:42:31pm

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

Sure, that’s a fair point..

But were George Wallace or Huey Long fascists? I don’t think you could say they were, and yet they would share a fair amount of rhetoric with the Donald. Before you can say Donald is fascist, you need to define it.

Trump isnt appealing to people who want to march in lockstep with each other. There is a certain kind of asceticm that seems required. Everyone is required to better themselves in order that the nation becomes stronger.

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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:43:13pm

re: #131 Big Beautiful Door

Adolph’s marketing may leave you flat, but it wowed his target audience, bitter German WWI vets.

You are right. But, I am not saying Hitler wasn’t a brilliant marketer. Only point I am making is Trump is more slick. In a high end used car salesman high society con man way. Adolph was more street savvy, Trump has that rich-boy veneer. That is all.

I would never deny Hitler wasn’t powerful and knew how to manipulate. History proves all that. Sadly.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:44:00pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Reload and all will be fine.

I rather like leaving it unreloaded and seeing the Great Hamster Revolt of 2016 immortalized in lack of formatting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:44:07pm

Good as new.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:44:44pm

MrBWS decided to head home early yesterday.
Good thing he did because if he had left when he usually does, this would have gotten him:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:45:23pm

Anyway, that was what LGF comments looked like with all HTML tags stripped out.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:46:09pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Reload and all will be fine.

That’s better, you were cramping my style for a moment there.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:46:41pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a very good thing that he left early.

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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:46:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:47:35pm
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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:50:17pm

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

“

” Do ALL of my heroes have to turn out to have been awful people?

Thing is, had he been honest about it, this shameful episode might have been forgotten by now, overshadowed by his heroic actions *after* 1976, when he stopped being an informer.

But not only he denied everything, as President he tried to cover up the traces, destroy whatever documents he could lay his hands on - all of this is well-documented in IPN’s book.

In a way, the cover up was on par with, if not worse than the crime.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:50:55pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmm. Does the GOPe bet on Kasich or on Rubio?

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makeitstop  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:51:12pm

re: #190 Reality Based Steve

The hamsters are revolting!!!!

RBS

Eh, they’re not so bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:51:52pm

re: #212 Nyet

Hmm. Does the GOPe bet on Kasich or on Rubio?

I’ve thought all along that it would be Kasich.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:53:15pm

People who say they “make Internet” are pretentious jerks. That is all.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:53:47pm

So, it’s over? Drats. I wanted to become the head of the Revolutionary Hamster Justice Committee. The mini-guillotine (don’t ask) was ready!

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:53:49pm

Trump Hell is layered like an onion.

Until the election, we’re in danger.
After the election, we may be in REAL danger.

And if he doesn’t win… We’re going to be stuck with this orange stain for the next twenty years, like fucking Sarah Palin.

If we get a second civil war out of this, I hope the next Lincoln takes the next Thaddeus Stevens’ advice, and finishes the damned job. Cut this reactionary loser cancer out of the country’s soul, burn it, and bury it ten feet deep.

Oh, and a ban on “reality television” wouldn’t be a bad start either. TV is killing our politics.

/I can wear jack-boots too. -_-

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:56:19pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:57:06pm

re: #216 Nyet

So, it’s over? Drats. I wanted to become the head of the Revolutionary Hamster Justice Committee. The mini-guillotine (don’t ask) was ready!

You can hold the spoon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:57:13pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

or in some cases is more extreme.

Rubio made it pretty clear, however, he doesn’t approve of not letting people die in the streets.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:57:35pm

re: #183 Nyet

True, and there is no contradiction: fascists certainly can come to power democratically. It’s what their end goals are that matters. Their aim was always to abolish democracy. To make the last election the last (real) one.

It’s hard to say what Trump’s end goals are, but it doesn’t seem that abolishing democracy is one of them. Insofar as he wants to mutilate it though, he gives off the fascist vibe. So as an insult it’s not wrongheaded to call him a fascist. In a more academic context, not so much.

I think that Trump’s goal is simply to win. It’s the ultimate game. Once he’s in office and finds out that he really can’t do everything he wants, he’ll make a sport of trying to shut down his opponents until he’s bored with that.

I don’t think that he really wants to accomplish anything at all. He’s not even looking that far out. He’ll be sick of being president before six months is out.

We went through Jesse Ventura here. Once he got over the shock of winning, he tried to be a good governor for a while (he even dropped in on all of the departments to introduce himself). After three years of politics, he was sick of doing his job and things went to hell.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:58:16pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

It is more like he is sniffing airplane glue. What is his brand I will avoid it.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:59:22pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

What you wrote strikes me as very plausible.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 12:59:52pm

Oopsie.

Instagram

Epic wipeout @granttwigbaker at #EddieAikau surf contest. #Eddiewouldgo #Hawaii #Oahu #WaimeaBay #Surfing @hawaiicamera

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:00:19pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

I think that Trump’s goal is simply to win. It’s the ultimate game. Once he’s in office and finds out that he really can’t do everything he wants, he’ll make a sport of trying to shut down his opponents until he’s bored with that.

I don’t think that he really wants to accomplish anything at all. He’s not even looking that far out. He’ll be sick of being president before six months is out.

We went through Jesse Ventura here. Once he got over the shock of winning, he tried to be a good governor for a while (he even dropped in on all of the departments to introduce himself). After three years of politics, he was sick of doing his job and things went to hell.

That’s what I’ve been thinking. Trump’s too egotistical, so sure he’s the smartest guy in the room to have done much research on what the President can actually do - I mean, for god’s sake, he didn’t even know what ‘Nuclear Triad’ meant! - so once he finds out that the powers are quite limited, and the responsibilities onerous, he’ll get bored right quick.

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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:01:21pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Oopsie.

[Embedded content]

Takes work to fall off the ocean.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:02:22pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS decided to head home early yesterday.
Good thing he did because if he had left when he usually does, this would have gotten him:

[Embedded content]

Glad I’m not heading East on Wednesday!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:02:36pm

re: #226 wrenchwench

Takes work to fall off the ocean.

Wonder how many times he practiced that…

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:03:52pm

re: #212 Nyet

Hmm. Does the GOPe bet on Kasich or on Rubio?

By the time they decide it will be too late to matter.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:05:10pm

One more, then I’m really leaving for the rest of the afternoon. There’s a new website collecting info on the militias, sovereign citizens, etc. Looks promising. If you click on the blue button in the left column that says “USA v Bundy et al” you’ll see they’ve collected links to all the legal filings over at Scribd: therealpatriots.org

Lots of other interesting looking info also.

Okay—I’m outta here—gonna go eat the chili & beans I just made.

~~~GONE~~~

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:05:59pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:07:09pm

re: #223 Nyet

What you wrote strikes me as very plausible.

He might only last as long as the chance he gets to address the press at the big press banquet. He’ll rip into Obama with a bunch of uncomfortable (for everyone) jokes delivered with his usual lack of tact. Then drop the mic and walk off and give the office to Christie.

Talk about a reality show!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:07:55pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Also look before you sit. That is very creepy/dangerous.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:08:58pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:09:01pm

re: #234 PhillyPretzel

Also look before you sit. That is very creepy/dangerous.

I think it crawled back out.

I’d burn down my house in Australia.

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stpaulbear  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:10:38pm

re: #223 Nyet

What you wrote strikes me as very plausible.

Trump will turn impeachment into a game. That might be one thing that would keep him energized by the job of being president.

Jesse wound up refereeing a professional wrestling match as The Governator (or something equally stupid) while he was still in office. Trump will still want to be a TV star the entire time he’s president.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:11:13pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:11:43pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Same here.

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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:13:02pm

re: #238 Nyet

[People can sense the truth when they get to hear it.]

Neurologically nonsensical.

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No Depression  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:13:03pm

re: #237 stpaulbear

Trump will turn impeachment into a game. That might be one thing that would keep him energized by the job of being president.

Jesse wound up refereeing a professional wrestling match as The Governator (or something equally stupid) while he was still in office. Trump will still want to be a TV star the entire time he’s president.

JUST LIKE OBAMA!!1!!!!1

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:13:25pm

Honestly, I dislike the “he’s like dictator X” comparisons because they ignore how Trump is simply an especially lumpy manifestation of what’s been hanging about in US politics for ages. Most of his ideas and patter are not borrowings from other places, but the same dank memes that US conservatives have been using for ages. Seriously—make a checklist of Trumpian horseshit and try and find an idea that hasn’t been comfortably seated in GOP rhetoric for the last four decades.

Nothing he says is new. He’s just presenting it in a more simplistic, more melodramatic package. No big words, no justifications…we’re the best, we’re going to do what we want, the people we’re angry at deserve anything we do to them.

He’s not winning a contest of political philosophies, he’s winning at manipulating the ethos. This is why Trump makes us think of dictators, and Hitler, in particular. Autocrats—be they dictators or monarchs—do not work solely in the medium of political ideology. They either appropriate the existing culture or create new cultural structures to justify their dominance.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:14:47pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:14:59pm

re: #233 Nyet

Pussy Riot member visits Bernie Sanders campaign office

That locks down the critical Russian feminist punk rock voter block. GAME OVER, MAN.

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wrenchwench  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:15:48pm

re: #242 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

He’s a younger, fitter, richer Joe Arpaio.

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uncah91  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:16:45pm

re: #242 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

Yes, this. But of course it goes back further than 40 years, too.

Look at rhetoric against immigrants in mid 1800s and you will see the same types of appeals.

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:17:46pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

I think this is wrong-headed, but if anyone has earned the right to make any political statements they like, it’s her.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:19:38pm

re: #247 Nyet

I think this is wrong-headed, but if anyone has earned the right to make any political statements they like, it’s her.

You know who else did time for political agitation….

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:20:02pm

One year ago, today Boris Nemtsov was murdered. A minute of silence:

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:20:27pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

You know who else did time for political agitation….

All of them…

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:20:55pm

Hearing about a stabbing at the supposed KKK rally in CA

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:22:51pm

re: #251 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Hearing about a stabbing at the supposed KKK rally in CA

latimes.com

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:23:21pm

re: #251 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Hearing about a stabbing at the supposed KKK rally in CA

That’s terrible! Just one?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:26:22pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

That’s terrible! Just one?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:27:44pm

re: #254 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Several witnesses saying the victim was stabbed with the point of a Confederate flagpole

Let’s hope there was a dipshit at each end.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:30:54pm

Is this what people reference when they say Orange County is right-wing? I’m not being rhetorical, I just don’t know much about California. From The Department of Wow:

The Klan has a long and troubling history with the city. Klansmen were once the dominant political force in Anaheim, holding four of five City Council seats before a recall effort led to their ouster in 1924.

At the height of the group’s power in Orange County, nearly 300 Klansmen lived in Anaheim, patrolling city streets in robes and masks. A large KKK rally once attracted 20,000 people to the city.

KKK activity nationwide has decreased dramatically in recent decades, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which estimated the group has between 5,000 and 8,000 members across the country.

The group’s activities have been sporadic in Southern California in recent years. Last summer, at least 100 residents of Whittier and Fullerton awoke to find packets containing KKK fliers, rife with racist rhetoric, and candy in their driveways. A Santa Ana neighborhood was also blanketed with KKK fliers on Martin Luther King Jr. Day last year, police said.

An 8-foot cross was burned outside the home of a black man in Anaheim Hills in 2003, and the FBI investigated the case as a hate crime, but police did not specifically link that case to the KKK.

That’s before I got to the horrifying sidebar about the street racing crash. I don’t think I want to live in California. :O

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:31:22pm
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urbanmeemaw  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:31:26pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson
Because too many of them are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:31:53pm

re: #256 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is this what people reference when they say Orange County is right-wing? I’m not being rhetorical, I just don’t know much about California. From The Department of Wow:

That’s before I got to the horrifying sidebar about the street racing crash. I don’t think I want to live in California. :O

A lot of people mistakenly only think of the South wnen it comes to the KKK. Knew about the KKK’s history in Anaheim.

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William Lewis  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:31:57pm

re: #247 Nyet

I think this is wrong-headed, but if anyone has earned the right to make any political statements they like, it’s her.

Pretty much why I updinged your first mention.

Plus as a bit of a punker socialist I do like Bernie. Now if we can just get him in as Labor Secretary in a Clinton Administration like Robert Reich was last time… ;)

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:32:01pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

That sounds like good news.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:32:22pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Well that’s good news. It makes engagement with them a lot easier.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:35:59pm

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 1h1 hour ago
Klansmen showed up and a fight broke out one man is bleeding badly and at least one Klan member in handcuffs

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 1h1 hour ago
One counter protester is down claiming he was stabbed by a Klansmen. Bleeding profusely. Klansmen: “I stabbed him in self defense.”

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 1h1 hour ago
Victim who claims he was stabbed
Image: CcP1cGjUAAAp43f.jpg

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 1h1 hour ago
Two of the Klansmen
Image: CcP3VTcUYAANMjM.jpg

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 59m59 minutes ago
Several witnesses saying the victim was stabbed with the point of a Confederate flagpole

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 23m23 minutes ago
Anaheim PD says 3 people stabbed one in critical. 2 of them are counter protesters. One Klansmen has been detained in the stabbing

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 22m22 minutes ago
The self proclaimed Grand Dragon of the KKK group here was just handcuffed

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 5m5 minutes ago
Witnesses certain flagpole was used as a weapon by Klansman. Not certain if it was an American or Confederate flag.

James Queally ‏@JamesQueallyLAT 2m2 minutes ago
“How do you feel that a Jewish man just saved your life?” CSU professor to Grand Dragon as he pushed him away from the melee

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:36:27pm

re: #256 Pawn of the Oppressor

Is this what people reference when they say Orange County is right-wing? I’m not being rhetorical, I just don’t know much about California. From The Department of Wow:

That’s before I got to the horrifying sidebar about the street racing crash. I don’t think I want to live in California. :O

I missed the street racing crash. Horrific.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:37:43pm

re: #246 uncah91

But if you go back more than 40 years, you’re not talking about the GOP exclusively.

The reason I use 4 decades as my marker is it’s the point where that political party assembles a complex of…horrible bullshit…that’s been lingering in US politics for a very long time. It’s not a perfect number: there’s this layering of shitty ideas that happens, and I used 4 decades as the ballpark figure on when those things cease to discrete, and starting being an alloy.

Prior to this I’ve jocularly called it “Bullshit Voltron”…but there’s a very interesting weave of thought systems that have brought us to the current day and Donald Trump. The subcomponents can be teased apart, but there’s so much interconnection that you have to talk about how it’s all interconnected, or you’re being reductivist. The way the conspiracy politics (the Birchers and their second coming, the Tea Partiers) has merged with signs-and-wonders religion and nativism and racism and anti-intellectualism and authoritarianism…all of which have created a population who don’t really have a standard of veracity, but feel everything they believe must be True. And mostly they believe that they deserve everything, that they don’t have everything because they’ve been cheated, and anyone they identify as undeserving should suffer.

It’s why there’s such an endless reel of wingnut sites getting away with obvious hoaxes and lies. It’s why the SMOTI can pay his bills. The “higher truth” that their ingroup is righteous and everyone else is a Satanic baby-murdering commie counts more than the “truth truth” of faked videos, deliberate misquotes, and flat-out lies.

And that’s what Trump is sitting atop at the moment.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:39:06pm

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

“How do you feel that a Jewish man just saved your life?” CSU professor to Grand Dragon as he pushed him away from the melee

This is perfect.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:42:22pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

I think it crawled back out.

I’d burn down my house in Australia.

What about one of these?

These are the ones you don’t want hiding under your toilet seat.
It makes them hard to sit on and they wobble a lot.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:43:22pm

re: #265 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

But if you go back more than 40 years, you’re not talking about the GOP exclusively.

The reason I use 4 decades as my marker is it’s the point where that political party assembles a complex of…horrible bullshit…that’s been lingering in US politics for a very long time. It’s not a perfect number: there’s this layering of shitty ideas that happens, and I used 4 decades as the ballpark figure on when those things cease to discrete, and starting being an alloy.

Prior to this I’ve jocularly called it “Bullshit Voltron”…but there’s a very interesting weave of thought systems that have brought us to the current day and Donald Trump. The subcomponents can be teased apart, but there’s so much interconnection that you have to talk about how it’s all interconnected, or you’re being reductivist. The way the conspiracy politics (the Birchers and their second coming, the Tea Partiers) has merged with signs-and-wonders religion and nativism and racism and anti-intellectualism and authoritarianism…all of which have created a population who don’t really have a standard of veracity, but feel everything they believe must be True. And mostly they believe that they deserve everything, that they don’t have everything because they’ve been cheated, and anyone they identify as undeserving should suffer.

It’s why there’s such an endless reel of wingnut sites getting away with obvious hoaxes and lies. It’s why the SMOTI can pay his bills. The “higher truth” that their ingroup is righteous and everyone else is a Satanic baby-murdering commie counts more than the “truth truth” of faked videos, deliberate misquotes, and flat-out lies.

And that’s what Trump is sitting atop at the moment.

Always spoken of conservatism (and liberalism for that matter) as ‘syndromes’.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:43:49pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

… These are the ones you don’t want hiding under your toilet seat.
It makes them hard to sit on and they wobble a lot.

Embedded Image

GAH!

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TedStriker  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:45:07pm

re: #190 Reality Based Steve

The hamsters are revolting!!!!

RBS

Yeah, they stink on ice!

///

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Stanley Sea  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:47:25pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

What about one of these?

Embedded Image

These are the ones you don’t want hiding under your toilet seat.
It makes them hard to sit on and they wobble a lot.

Embedded Image

2nd photo totally obliterates the 1st one.

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uncah91  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:48:03pm

re: #265 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

But this is just a manifestation of FDR’s coalition (of Northern liberals and Southern whites) fracturing after the passage of the civil rights act. And it’s not like conspiracy theory idiocy didn’t exist in the conservative wing before that either. The Birch Society has been titling at windmills since the 50s. Reagan gave his shiny city on the hill speech in the 60s.

I think it’s a mistake to think of any of this as new to America in any substantive way. The particulars are a result of the coalitional politics that exist right now, but they weren’t created from whole cloth by Republicans.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:51:41pm

re: #272 uncah91

I just think they thought they could ride the whirlwind.

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William Lewis  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:53:17pm

re: #273 retired cynic

I just think they thought they could ride the whirlwind.

I heard that of certain German industrialists about 80 ~ 90 years ago too.

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b_sharp  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:53:44pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

2nd photo totally obliterates the 1st one.

I saw a spider outside today. And a hawk yesterday. And some ducks. And heard our neighbourhood falcons.

In February.

That doesn’t happen here. It’s too cold.

Except when it isn’t, apparently.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:56:36pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

Husband’s like: “what is that?”

“That’s a SPIDER.”

No, but I mean…”

“It’s Australia!”

“That explains it.”

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Nojay UK  Feb 27, 2016 • 1:57:31pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

What about one of these?

[Embedded content]

Who’s a cutey woozey poosey then? Makes you want to tickle her tummy. Diddums.

As for the plague rat fucking someone’s finger, thermonuclear fire is too good for ‘em.

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William Lewis  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:01:03pm

re: #275 b_sharp

I saw a spider outside today. And a hawk yesterday. And some ducks. And heard our neighbourhood falcons.

In February.

That doesn’t happen here. It’s too cold.

Except when it isn’t, apparently.

54 degrees Fahrenheit here in Northern Wisconsin today.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:02:20pm

re: #277 Nojay UK

Who’s a cutey woozey poosey then? Makes you want to tickle her tummy. Diddums.

As for the plague rat fucking someone’s finger, thermonuclear fire is too good for ‘em.

Tee hee hee
With that humour you you do well here in Oz

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Nyet  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:03:05pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

nope
nope
nope

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b_sharp  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:04:15pm

re: #278 William Lewis

54 degrees Fahrenheit here in Northern Wisconsin today.

52F yesterday, 48F today. This is Saskatchewan we’re talking about. You, know, avg temp in the winter of -25C, snow 6 months (or more) of the year.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:04:37pm

re: #272 uncah91

Dude, I literally said none of this was new.

What I find interesting is that right now a bunch of those old crazy elements are merging, such that there’s a coherent subculture with very clear boundaries defined by acceptance of all the things. And acceptance of all the things means there’s basically no room for skepticism or any standard of truth.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:04:58pm

re: #271 Stanley Sea

2nd photo totally obliterates the 1st one.

Scratching the dirt with my feet whilst dropping my bottom lip.
Sorry…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:31:12pm
Three people were stabbed, one critically, and several others arrested when a Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupted in violence Saturday, police said.

A small group of people representing the Klan had announced that it would hold a rally at Pearson Park at 1:30 p.m., police said. By 11 a.m., several dozen protesters showed up at the park to confront the Klan.

About an hour later, several men in black garb with Confederate flag patches arrived and were escorted by police around the edge of the park.

Violence erupted and some of the counter-protesters could be seen kicking a man whose shirt read “Grand Dragon.” At some point, a counter-protester collapsed on the ground bleeding, crying that he had been stabbed.

A Klansman in handcuffs could be heard telling a police officer that he “stabbed him in self-defense.” Several other people were also handcuffed.

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Teukka  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:44:24pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

What about one of these?

Awwwwwwww!

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NOPE.
NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 2:56:15pm

re: #242 Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis

Honestly, I dislike the “he’s like dictator X” comparisons because they ignore how Trump is simply an especially lumpy manifestation of what’s been hanging about in US politics for ages. Most of his ideas and patter are not borrowings from other places, but the same dank memes that US conservatives have been using for ages. Seriously—make a checklist of Trumpian horseshit and try and find an idea that hasn’t been comfortably seated in GOP rhetoric for the last four decades.

Nothing he says is new. He’s just presenting it in a more simplistic, more melodramatic package. No big words, no justifications…we’re the best, we’re going to do what we want, the people we’re angry at deserve anything we do to them.

He’s not winning a contest of political philosophies, he’s winning at manipulating the ethos. This is why Trump makes us think of dictators, and Hitler, in particular. Autocrats—be they dictators or monarchs—do not work solely in the medium of political ideology. They either appropriate the existing culture or create new cultural structures to justify their dominance.

In other words, fascism will come to America in a WWE costume and wearing The Hair. History isn’t going to exactly repeat itself, but it does have a tendency to rhyme, and Trump’s flirting with fascist tendencies is getting dangerous. The targets have to be adapted to US circumstances, so its vs. Mexicans and Muslims instead of vs. the Jews.

GOP rhetoric has been steadily getting more extreme and overheated for the last 40 years. Soft versions of eliminationist rhetoric are getting into the GOP mainstream, and the hard stuff is all over the GOP fringes.

IMO the single most important threshold for getting into real fascism is acceptance of scapegoating as a solution to political problems. The US is not at that point yet, but the Republican party is working quite diligently to change that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 27, 2016 • 3:50:19pm

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

What about one of these?

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These are the ones you don’t want hiding under your toilet seat.
It makes them hard to sit on and they wobble a lot.

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Teh second is a fairly crude ‘shop. You can see the line, fer cripes sake!

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cat-tikvah  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:17:50pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

From Chris Matthews yesterday on Hardball: Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.

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sagehen  Feb 27, 2016 • 4:42:28pm

re: #286 EPR-radar

In other words, fascism will come to America in a WWE costume and wearing The Hair. History isn’t going to exactly repeat itself, but it does have a tendency to rhyme, and Trump’s flirting with fascist tendencies is getting dangerous. The targets have to be adapted to US circumstances, so its vs. Mexicans and Muslims instead of vs. the Jews.

Ivanka is the only reason it’s not *also* the Jews.


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