Overnight Jam: Massive Attack, “Voodoo in My Blood”

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DIRECTOR: Ringan Ledwidge
PRODUCTION COMPANY: Rattling Stick

ARTIST: Massive Attack feat. Young Fathers
TRACK: Voodoo in My Blood
MANAGER: Marc Picken (West Management)
LABEL: Virgin Records
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EXECUTIVE PRODUCER: Andy Orrick
PRODUCER: Ellie Fry
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LOCATION MANAGER Tom Petch
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RUNNER: Alex Von Brockdorff
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SOUND RECORDIST: Howie Nicol
PLAYBACK Dave Bagnall
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291 comments
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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:10:46pm

That was great. Me likes Massive Attack.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:13:07pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:19:09pm

I don’t know what it is with the Vimeo videos and my computer or connection. They load very slowly, pause constantly for extended periods to load the next segment, and you can’t pause it for a while to let it load since it won’t load past roughly 30 seconds from where paused it. Boils down to me usually skipping even playing them when they’re thread subjects since I don’t want to deal with it and watching something in fits and starts messes heavily with the effect of the media.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:22:19pm

re: #3 Feline Fearless Leader

Try turning off the HD. Just click on the HD in the video and it’ll go from blue to grey.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:23:16pm

Do any of you think of the people on the other side of the primary as the enemy, to be attacked?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:24:25pm

re: #5 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do any of you think of the people on the other side of the primary as the enemy, to be attacked?

No.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:25:11pm

re: #5 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do any of you think of the people on the other side of the primary as the enemy, to be attacked?

The way you’re framing this question makes me nervous.

*shaking head*

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:26:02pm

I guess I have an issue with getting a feeling of power by attacking people in regards to politics.

I probably shouldn’t.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:26:12pm

Not much coming from Salt Lake PD, only that they confirmed an officer involved shooting and that people threw things at them and some officers were injured. One described the rock as “cantaloupe” sized. I laughed out loud. That’s a big rock to be throwing.

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Jenner7  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:27:46pm

re: #5 Ziggy_TARDIS

Absolutely not.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:27:55pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

Try turning off the HD. Just click on the HD in the video and it’ll go from blue to grey.

That just gives me 3 definitions size and “auto” to choose from. Even the lowest doesn’t help it that much. I’d prefer something like YouTube where I could pause it, follow comments for 4-5 minutes, and then go back and play it once without any pauses. But it seems that the Vimeo player will not default load the stream very far past the current pause point.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:29:14pm

re: #8 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I have an issue with getting a feeling of power by attacking people in regards to politics.

I probably shouldn’t.

I think you need to realize a few things A) It’s a terrible way to make and keep friendships and relationships, B) It doesn’t win people over at all, it just makes them think you’re being a petty dick, and C) In life you’re going to encounter people who you even agree with most of the time who will disagree, it’s part of life. My own brothers are on the other side in this primary. There’s no animosity. It’s a simple disagreement between mature people. I’ll be honest it’s hard for me to view people on the other side as the enemy too. I mean I do curse them but individuals.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:29:16pm

re: #8 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I have an issue with getting a feeling of power by attacking people in regards to politics.

I probably shouldn’t.

Yeah, you probably shouldn’t. If you feel like attacking people after you’ve gained some power, you’re just as bad if not worse than your enemies. Take the high road, try to make them your friends.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:32:00pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I was about to attack my best friend for supporting Sanders.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:32:12pm
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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:32:39pm

re: #5 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do any of you think of the people on the other side of the primary as the enemy, to be attacked?

No. This no has many levels to it.

As a Clinton supporter, I have no problem with people who support Sanders. As a Democrat, I have some trouble with people who support the Republican, but I go to work with these kinds of people, and we’re all trying to earn a living and solve the same problems.

Will I try to convince a Sanders supporter to vote for Clinton? Personally, I’ve stopped trying. Here’s my reason: I know why I like Clinton, and you’d really to overcome why I like Clinton to get me to like Sanders, which will be hard. I suspect Sanders supporters are the same way. The only way I would be convinced to not support Clinton is if she did something as monumentally stupid as what Edwards did. So, no, I’m not going to do a very good job of convincing Sanders supporters of supporting Clinton.

At the same time, I will try to point out what I see as any flaws in any arguments make by Sanders supporters to either support him or stop supporting Clinton.

But, you have no “power” over a Sanders supporter. It would be like saying you have power over the wind.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:34:54pm

re: #14 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was about to attack my best friend for supporting Sanders.

Why would you do that? They haven’t attacked you for being a Clinton supporter. You gotta stop viewing politics as a form of warfare. It’s ideas. And civlized people can and should be able to disagree. I mean I know it sounds hypocritical since I curse wingnuts with the best of them but in the end I still have no problem with being friends with people I disagree with. You treat me right, I treat you right is my code even if their political views repulse me. Now if they start attacking me for my beliefs, I may have a different tune but until then. You gotta realize what I said in point C about how you’re not always going to agree with people.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:35:32pm

re: #16 Belafon

No, it is not that I attack them because I am more powerful.

It is a feel a sense of power out of attacking them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:36:22pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

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That’s the kind of talk to wins you allies. Calling people who didn’t vote for your candidate stupid.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:37:14pm

How actors are (or maybe aren’t) like the rest of us: today.com:

Salma Hayek sustained a head injury at her house and had to go to the hospital. The embarrassing part was the shirt she had on was made to look like she’s topless but some guy reaching behind her and covering her breasts. The picture in the page is of her standing between the two doctors that took care of her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:37:54pm

re: #18 Ziggy_TARDIS

No, it is not that I attack them because I am more powerful.

It is a feel a sense of power out of attacking them.

That sounds like a personal thing to me. Why do you feel powerful by attacking them? i always get a sense of accomplishment when I’m able to help someone out. I’ve taken to my role as my family’s unofficial official historian and I love every second of it. There’s no payoff but I love being able to tell my relatives about the stuff I uncover. Find the joy in something like that not having power over other people.

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EPR-radar  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:38:17pm

re: #5 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do any of you think of the people on the other side of the primary as the enemy, to be attacked?

I’ll join in the chorus of ‘no’ here.

Several good explanations have been given upthread, so I’ll just add the most simple-minded and operational explanation of all:

We’re going to need every available person in November against the Republicans.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:38:39pm

re: #14 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was about to attack my best friend for supporting Sanders.

Good, you didn’t!

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:38:50pm

re: #18 Ziggy_TARDIS

No, it is not that I attack them because I am more powerful.

It is a feel a sense of power out of attacking them.

We call those people bullies. Sometimes we call them Ben Shapiro, especially because bullies collapse in their own piss when confronted in person. Don’t be a bully.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:38:55pm

re: #20 Belafon

How actors are (or maybe aren’t) like the rest of us: today.com:

Salma Hayek sustained a head injury at her house and had to go to the hospital. The embarrassing part was the shirt she had on was made to look like she’s topless but some guy reaching behind her and covering her breasts. The picture in the page is of her standing between the two doctors that took care of her.

She’s still a gorgeous woman.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:39:15pm

re: #14 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was about to attack my best friend for supporting Sanders.

I’m glad you didn’t and asked around. Believe it or nuts one of my best friends is a Trump supporter. I could lay into him anytime but choose to laugh and shake my head. I’ve told my Trump supporter friend my intentions this next election (Vote Democratic) and guess what? We’re still friends. My friend thinks Hillary is every horrible right-wing trope you’ve ever heard and he knows that I’m voting for her. We’re still friends. My friend is an idiot and a blowhard but I love him nonetheless.

I really do hope you can channel all that anger of yours into something positive. That’s a process called sublimation. You’re young, you’ve got a lot of time left on Earth. Think happy thoughts.

:)

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:39:34pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

She’s still a gorgeous woman.

Definitely. I’d pay to be one of those doctors.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:39:52pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

That’s the kind of talk to wins you allies. Calling people who didn’t vote for your candidate stupid.

Also, the fact that it dovetails exactly with Republican “Dem plantation” rhetoric is one hundred percent coincidental I’m sure.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:40:54pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Because I do view politics as war, even though I shouldn’t. Therefore, the other side must be defeated.

To be honest, two friends dropped me on FB for being a Clinton supporter, so I am already ticked off at Sanders, and was will to blast the closest Sanders supporter to me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:42:21pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

I’m glad you didn’t and asked around. Believe it or nuts one of my best friends is a Trump supporter. I could lay into him anytime but choose to laugh and shake my head. I’ve told my Trump supporter friend my intentions this next election (Vote Democratic) and guess what? We’re still friends. My friend thinks Hillary is every horrible right-wing trope you’ve ever heard and he knows that I’m voting for her. We’re still friends. My friend is an idiot and a blowhard but I love him nonetheless.

I really do hope you can channel all that anger of yours into something positive. That’s a process called sublimation. You’re young, you’ve got a lot of time left on Earth. Think happy thoughts.

:)

One of my best friends is also pretty far right wing. But still we’ve been great friends since the 2nd grade. Even after he moved when we were very young, we stayed in touch. I refuse to let something like politics ruin that. He posts stuff that bothers me like do drug tests on welfare recipients but I do overlook that as idiotic as it is because I remember that he’s been a great friend to me when I needed it most.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:43:54pm

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

Because I do view politics as war, even though I shouldn’t. Therefore, the other side must be defeated.

To be honest, two friends dropped me on FB for being a Clinton supporter, so I am already ticked off at Sanders, and was will to blast the closest Sanders supporter to me.

You need to stop seeing it that way. It’s ideas and egos. Nothing more. Seeing it as warfare is how we get genocides and democides. This person has been your friend for a long time. Don’t ruin that friendship on a minor political disagreement.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:44:07pm

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

Because I do view politics as war, even though I shouldn’t. Therefore, the other side must be defeated.

To be honest, two friends dropped me on FB for being a Clinton supporter, so I am already ticked off at Sanders, and was will to blast the closest Sanders supporter to me.

I could throw out the “be the better man” line, but actually, losing friends that share your views over primary politics is stupid. That would be like losing a friend because one of you likes In-N-Out and the other likes Five Guys.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:44:21pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Also, the fact that it dovetails exactly with Republican “Dem plantation” rhetoric is one hundred percent coincidental I’m sure.

It really is pathetic.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:46:02pm

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

Because I do view politics as war, even though I shouldn’t.

Then don’t. HappyWarrior is right. This is ideas we’re talking about. War is mass death, starvation and disease.

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

To be honest, two friends dropped me on FB for being a Clinton supporter, so I am already ticked off at Sanders, and was will to blast the closest Sanders supporter to me.

Dude, I’m friends with over 500 people on FB. I do know every one of them, only a very small handful (3, maybe 4?) are people I’ve never met in person. Only about 10 of those are people I see in person day-to-day. Facebook is fucking bullshit anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:47:25pm

re: #32 Belafon

I could throw out the “be the better man” line, but actually, losing friends that share your views over primary politics is stupid. That would be like losing a friend because one of you likes In-N-Out and the other likes Five Guys.

Five Guys is better than In-N-Out and I don’t care what you West coast snobs say! But yes. I mean as I said, you’re going to disagree with people even people you mostly agree with. It’s a fact of life. And sometimes those people will be people you deeply care for. It was tough seeing my grandparents in 2008 embrace a lot of the nastiness directed at Obama but to my grandmother’s credit she did come around on Obama. And I think my grandfather may have too if he hadn’t died before he became President but even if he hadn’t and became a Tea Party asshole, I would never stop loving him. It’s easy to see politics like warfare because debates get heated and these are issues that really do effect us but in the end, we’re all just trying to live our lives. Now if you want to get angry at the politicians by all means.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:47:53pm

re: #29 Ziggy_TARDIS

Because I do view politics as war, even though I shouldn’t. Therefore, the other side must be defeated.

To be honest, two friends dropped me on FB for being a Clinton supporter, so I am already ticked off at Sanders, and was will to blast the closest Sanders supporter to me.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. If someone unfriended you on FB for being a Clinton supporter, that’s their problem, not yours. It’s a very petty reason for dropping someone, and you turning around being petty at someone else does not fix anything.

Besides, being quite blunt here, it’s fucking Facebook. NBD. Some people are drama queens on FB, but in real life would act totally differently. Just let them be immature drama queens, and move on.

I also make it a point personally to avoid political discussions on FB. I’d advise the same for you.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:50:02pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

FB is more important to me.

Because I am socially blind, I judge how important I am to others based on how often they interact with me on FB.

Yes, in the past I judged it off of what people said to me.

Then they would just leave me behind very quickly. I don’t believe words now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:50:48pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Two wrongs don’t make a right. If someone unfriended you on FB for being a Clinton supporter, that’s their problem, not yours. It’s a very petty reason for dropping someone, and you turning around being petty at someone else does not fix anything.

Besides, being quite blunt here, it’s fucking Facebook. NBD. Some people are drama queens on FB, but in real life would act totally differently. Just let them be immature drama queens, and move on.

I also make it a point personally to avoid political discussions on FB. I’d advise the same for you.

I do that and it makes everything so much easier. My close family and friends know where I stand. My old casual acquaintances from school or work if they don’t know don’t need to know and if they have a problem with my views, it’s on them. I reconnected with a guy I went to HS with. Honestly really nice guy but the shit he posts on his FB bugs the shit out of me but when I did my AS “coming out” on FB, he posted a wonderful comment and you know what good for him even if I feel he’s very wrong about a lot of things. He’s treated me with respect and I feel I owe him the same until otherwise.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:52:11pm

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

How a genius allocates his resources.
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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:52:20pm

re: #36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I only do Facebook to keep up with a group of people in the easiest way possible. I decided that if I was going to do it at all, I would stay away from politics. That resolution has slipped a few times, but I let myself play by liking about everything Stonekettle posts, and figure nobody I would worry about is going to find me there, just by my likes. It lets me vent without getting in trouble! (As does posting here, anonymously!)

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:53:06pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

One of the things about being in the middle coast (Texas), is that we have both a Five Guys and an In-N-Out here in Rockwall. If you ever want to see a horrendously long list, search for all of the restaurants in Rockwall. We’re the smallest county and the county with the highest per capita income in the state. And we spend it at restaurants.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:53:52pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

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I’d be more interested in what the staffing is come June. That indicates how much value is being placed on a 50-state campaign and helping the other party candidates beyond POTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:54:51pm

re: #41 Belafon

One of the things about being in the middle coast (Texas), is that we have both a Five Guys and an In-N-Out here in Rockwall. If you ever want to see a horrendously long list, search for all of the restaurants in Rockwall. We’re the smallest county and the county with the highest per capita income in the state. And we spend it at restaurants.

Well in your opinion heh which is better? I had never went to I&O before I went to Nevada last summer. Nothing wrong with spending your income on eating though I believe it’s possible to eat good for a fair price. The pupusa place I found in town’s pupusa meal is only 5 bucks.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:55:01pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

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Wow.
Wow.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:55:28pm

G’night folks.

Home of the Bronze Griffen
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:56:15pm

re: #45 Feline Fearless Leader

G’night folks.

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Night. One of those would make a sweet tattoo.

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electrotek  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:58:05pm

What if they brag about being an anti-Muslim bigot? Would you still be friends with them?

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:59:09pm

re: #47 electrotek

What if they brag about being an anti-Muslim bigot? Would you still be friends with them?

Uh, no.

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electrotek  Feb 27, 2016 • 9:59:48pm

re: #48 teleskiguy

Uh, no.

Unfortunately these days being right-wing means you must hate Muslims.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:00:03pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Well in your opinion heh which is better? I had never went to I&O before I went to Nevada last summer. Nothing wrong with spending your income on eating though I believe it’s possible to eat good for a fair price. The pupusa place I found in town’s pupusa meal is only 5 bucks.

I get to where I want to have a particular taste, and I choose a restaurant that way. For example, I refer to In-N-Out as salad on a bun but sometimes that’s what I want.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:00:13pm

re: #47 electrotek

What if they brag about being an anti-Muslim bigot? Would you still be friends with them?

No.

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Belafon  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:01:26pm

‘nite.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:01:32pm

There’s some story circulating about a Marine vet that got booted out of a Clinton event for asking about Benghazi. You know what, with all respect to this man, did Reagan face anywhere near the scrunity for the Beirut barracks bombing that Clinton has for Benghazi or Bush for the 9/11 attacks. Benghazi was tragic no doubt about it but it’s insulting that this tragedy is used to attack like Clinton didn’t care that four people died. Where was the anger in the Bush years when our embassies and consulates were attacked? If Benghazi genuinely infuriates you, you should despise Reagan for Beirut. And here’s another factoid, Benghazi has had more investigations than 9/11 did and the Bush administration in fact did resist an investigation into 9/11.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:01:50pm

Just stopped by to share this cartoon by Kaamran Hafeez

Obi Bern Kenobi?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:02:06pm

re: #50 Belafon

I get to where I want to have a particular taste, and I choose a restaurant that way. For example, I refer to In-N-Out as salad on a bun but sometimes that’s what I want.

Good way to do it.

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teleskiguy  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:04:47pm

re: #49 electrotek

Unfortunately these days being right-wing means you must hate Muslims.

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electrotek  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:06:47pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

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It’s a generalization that I acknowledge, but anti-Muslim bigotry is so rampant among the GOP these days that it’s hard not to do so.

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Targetpractice  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:08:00pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

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To be fair, I can understand that Bernie has a bit more work for himself because he’s got to overcome the name recognition that comes built-in for her campaign. But still, that seems to be the sort of spending that is unsustainable in the long term, especially when you’re boasting almost every speech about how much money you’re taking in from small-time donors. For all the talk about how this is a marathon, not a sprint, it looks like Bernie’s gonna be winded before he even makes the halfway mark.

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MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:16:53pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

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If that’s the case, Bernie needs to step away from the race right now. How do you lose so badly when you’ve got that much ground game? Answer: you have ZERO shot at winning the primary let alone the general.

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MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:21:05pm

Y’all are much better people than me. I can’t be friends with right wingers. I find their value systems so fucked up and their views on humanity in general so appalling I have no desire to spend time in any one of their companies. I’d rather be alone. Or better yet, with my dogs who treat and view people better than right wingers do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:22:53pm

re: #60 MsJ

Y’all are much better people than me. I can’t be friends with right wingers. I find their value systems so fucked up and their views on humanity in general so appalling I have no desire to spend time in any one of their companies. I’d rather be alone. Or better yet, with my dogs who treat and view people better than right wingers do.

Well it helps when you’ve been friends before you knew what a right winger was.

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MsJ  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:31:22pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Well it helps when you’ve been friends before you knew what a right winger was.

Not for me. In the 90s, I had a good friend (and her husband) - a best friend, actually - who HATED Clinton. They spouted right wing tropes before they were popular. I got tired of it and spent less and less time with them, to the point of almost never.

To me it’s all about values.

I can see the Bernie dating thing because those, to me, are core values (generally, not Bernie specific). How one views their fellow human beings, whether they’re black, white or green; religious (in any flavor); gay/straight, I could care less. They’re people. People who deserve being treated the same. That’s my core value. And one I expect from anyone I’d spend any time around.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:31:28pm

I tried to answer MsJ, but I got all tangled up in my words, and just deleted it. HW is right. I was raised with family and friends that I was very close to, and found out later on that we disagreed on those things. They know where I stand, and we agree to disagree. At least almost all of them are not RWNJ!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:43:59pm

re: #60 MsJ

Y’all are much better people than me. I can’t be friends with right wingers. I find their value systems so fucked up and their views on humanity in general so appalling I have no desire to spend time in any one of their companies. I’d rather be alone. Or better yet, with my dogs who treat and view people better than right wingers do.

I have people in my life who I absolutely do not talk politics with. I have people in my life who I occasionally slip up and talk politics with and regret it every time.

You don’t get to choose family, and I’m not going to nuke otherwise good relationships over a difference in worldview.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:44:35pm

re: #62 MsJ

Not for me. In the 90s, I had a good friend (and her husband) - a best friend, actually - who HATED Clinton. They spouted right wing tropes before they were popular. I got tired of it and spent less and less time with them, to the point of almost never.

To me it’s all about values.

I can see the Bernie dating thing because those, to me, are core values (generally, not Bernie specific). How one views their fellow human beings, whether they’re black, white or green; religious (in any flavor); gay/straight, I could care less. They’re people. People who deserve being treated the same. That’s my core value. And one I expect from anyone I’d spend any time around.

Well we were kids heh. I can understand that though. If someone were often very obnoxious about their views, I’d find it taxing. I found the Bernie thing silly since Bernie’s not going to last forever. Nothing wrong with dating people who share your values. The dating site questions always lead me to women my ideology is close with anyhow.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:46:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:47:18pm

In the end though I could never end a strong friendship over politics. If they did it to me then maybe they weren’t as good friends as we thought.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:49:48pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Well in your opinion heh which is better? I had never went to I&O before I went to Nevada last summer. Nothing wrong with spending your income on eating though I believe it’s possible to eat good for a fair price. The pupusa place I found in town’s pupusa meal is only 5 bucks.

If you’re from Texas, the correct answer to this is “neither”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:54:30pm

Now I want a burger.. Well good nightZ.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 10:56:52pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

In the end though I could never end a strong friendship over politics. If they did it to me then maybe they weren’t as good friends as we thought.

Ha! That did happen to me once. I liked a Stonekettle post on guns: part of his bang, bang series. And made a comment. Wow! Someone that I knew was pretty RW (not racist, however), but God and Guns and Republicans, saw my comment, jumped into the Stonekettle thread and bashed about with a stick. That does not fly with Jim Wright, as you know, and he took this person on and argued out the point, without convincing this person at all. The other people in the thread bashed my friend back, and I got unfriended. The friend sent me an email saying they could not associate with me because of my associations, and I said, I’m sorry, goodbye. It was an interesting session, watching someone wade into a crowd of a differing viewpoint without invitation, and make themselves thoroughly unpopular in a big hurry! Entertaining!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:09:40pm

Huge if true …

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:26:18pm
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Cheechako  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:42:37pm

I had my first Cruz campaign worker stop at my home this afternoon. She asked if I knew who Ted Cruz was and I answered yes. She then asked if I was going to vote for him in the primary. My answer was “No, Ted Cruz is an idiot!” She replied that Ted would be the best President ever. We then agreed to disagree. End of interview.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:47:10pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Bernie’s loyal workers are just a little bit clueless. I don’t blame her for going off on that caller.

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retired cynic  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:49:11pm

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bernie’s loyal workers are just a little bit clueless. I don’t blame her for going off on that caller.

No, for a black woman to have achieved what she has, that must have been like a slap to the face.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:55:26pm

re: #75 retired cynic

No, for a black woman to have achieved what she has, that must have been like a slap to the face.

Well, it’s wrong on many levels. First, the caller assumed she was on welfare, because she’s AA. If he didn’t assume she was personally, it’s still a colossal mistake to assume that welfare is the issue foremost on her mind, or any other AA person’s mind. It’s racist in the clueless dumbfuck white person way of being racist.

Caller is lucky it wasn’t a door-to-door canvass, or he’d be hurting even now.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:57:34pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 27, 2016 • 11:58:12pm

Oh, man. Weird Al’s going to be at Iroquois Amphitheatre in Louisville on Wednesday, June 15, and I think my uni will still be session.

My sad face.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:00:28am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:07:48am

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

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Damn. You ought to buy TV time for that message.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:13:24am

Now there’s an excuse:

FredFred theone718 Feb 28 * 03:50:45 AM
I wouldn’t worry so much. Hillary was predicted to win by 20-25 points. It’s hard to get motivated to vote when the margin is supposed be so lopsided that it doesn’t really matter. (That’s one of the ways that gerrymandering kills us — depresses the vote because votes rarely matter).

Ahm. The same applies to the winning side. What got the people who voted for Hillary motivated despite them knowing she wins anyway?

And this ignores the proportional distribution of the delegates.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:18:44am

Is Maddow pro-Bernie?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:19:13am

re: #68 Bill and Opus for 2016!

If you’re from Texas, the correct answer to this is “neither”.

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I bet that Dallas/Fort Worth has more fast food restaurants per square mile than any part of the country outside of the L.A. basin.

I can’t easily choose between 5 Guys and In & Out unless I consider value. 5 Guys is expensive here. In and Out is what McDonald’s SHOULD be. I really enjoy the “heavy compact calorie bomb” style of burger and both places do it well, but a visit to I&O is usually about $9, vs. $13 for 5 Guys.

Whataburger is on another plane entirely. Motorcyclists have a special relationship with beef that can’t be easily explained and Whataburgers are located conveniently in a latitudinal band running along the main travel corridors of the central and eastern South. They are easy to spot from the road, usually located well, always open, and you always get the same big goopy salty juicy slab of a meal for your ten bucks, no matter where you are. They’ve saved my starving stomach a dozen times on the road on both two wheels and four. They’re like a burger equivalent of Waffle House, and I am grateful for the existence of both chains.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:27:54am

The pro-Hillary voices are thankfully gaining some power at the DailyBern.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:28:29am

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

If nothing else this should give his supporters pause.

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Turns out those 65 year old back ladies know how to get shit done.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:32:35am

One of the stupidest talking points is that Pres. Hillary Clinton means a return to Clintonism (whatever that means). This seems to me to be an almost sexist claim - she’s her own person, she’s not her husband.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:36:06am

Sour grapes are sour.

Jose Bidenio Feb 28 * 06:27:54 AM
Did Hillary give a shout out to the Superpredators in the house?

Did she namedrop Barry Goldwater?

If Hillary had her way in 1964 and Goldwater won, she would have lost in SC tonight by a lot.

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Lancelot Link  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:36:13am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Five Guys is better than In-N-Out and I don’t care what you West coast snobs say!

This west coast snob says “Fatburger”.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:45:08am

Oh wow.

In a humiliating moment for the one-time Republican presidential candidate, a hot mic captured the way Donald Trump treats his new lap dog — and it isn’t pretty.

At a rally, Christie seemed to think he would share the stage with Trump during Trump’s portion of the event, but apparently the idea of sharing a spotlight with a former rival wasn’t something Trump was about to let happen. Shaking Christie’s hand, Trump leans in and whispers, “Get on the plane and go home. It’s over there. Go home.” Christie at first continues waving, then simply says “Okay” and walks towards the exit.

vine.co

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 28, 2016 • 12:57:24am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Oh wow.

vine.co

So much for Christie’s macho, tough guy veneer.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:02:15am

re: #90 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

So much for Christie’s macho, tough guy veneer.

I’m more and more convinced that Trump paid him for his endorsement. That’s a special brand of contempt, one that Trump reserves for people he owns. It’s like he literally couldn’t help himself, Christie probably gave it up very cheap.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:05:43am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

“then simply says “Okay” “

*insert the okay meme*

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:08:25am
Trix josb Feb 28 * 02:48:56 AM
Clearly, this contest would’ve ended differently had there been more Bernie-splaining to black voters.
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:10:00am

re: #92 Nyet

“then simply says “Okay” “

*insert the okay meme*

Now go home and get your fucking shinebox!
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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:10:07am

I’m suspecting Trump new about the mic and was trying to build cred as a tough guy.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:10:12am

I think Hillary supporters at the DailyBurn have had it, and it shows.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:21:22am

There’s this idea sometimes floating around that pacifism on its own is a good thing. In fact it always depends on the immediate context. Being a pacifist in an aggressor state is one thing. Remaining a pacifist in a country attacked by the aggressor state is the same as siding with the aggressor.

Which is why the “hawk” v. “dove” rhetoric is not only not convincing, it may not actually entail what some want it to entail.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 1:26:04am
limpidglass Feb 28 * 03:00:30 AM
After Nevada, I suggested that African-American voters might go for Hillary over Sanders by 85%-15% margins in upcoming primaries/caucuses. That appears to be the case here—and may even be an underestimate, once all the votes are in.

In SC, Clinton won the black vote by a larger percentage than Obama did in 2008. I think this is a function of two things: one, she worked very hard to overcome her failings from last time. Two, Sanders was and is godawful at outreach to African-Americans.

Fear of Trump is also probably influencing the result: they don’t trust Sanders (who has openly stated that he’s trying to court Trump voters) to stand up to Trump, and see Clinton as a better bet in the general election. Certainly, only one candidate has really focused on reassembling the Obama coalition; the other has tried to gather those disaffected with Obama into a coalition, focusing on the white working-class who bolted the Democrats after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and it just isn’t enough.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 2:36:31am

Tonight is really bringing it out in folks.

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2016 • 2:52:50am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

Seeing this nonsense suggests that the massive Sanders ground game in South Carolina may have ended up increasing the margin in Clinton’s favor.

It’s also another piece of evidence that the Sanders campaign would probably run a boneheaded general election campaign if Sanders were the nominee.

The margin for error for a Democratic candidate in a general election is always very small, so this is a big problem for team Sanders.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 2:58:56am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:10:55am

re: #100 EPR-radar

Seeing this nonsense suggests that the massive Sanders ground game in South Carolina may have ended up increasing the margin in Clinton’s favor.

It’s also another piece of evidence that the Sanders campaign would probably run a boneheaded general election campaign if Sanders were the nominee.

The margin for error for a Democratic candidate in a general election is always very small, so this is a big problem for team Sanders.

Yes, this. They clearly weren’t ready for prime time. This absolutely should serve as a wake up call for his campaign and supporters. Unfortunately I’ve seen NOTHING that leads me to believe they’re even capable of absorbing the message.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:13:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:17:27am

In an ideal world, Bernie would be my candidate.

But then again, in a truly ideal world, we would not need a Bernie to set things straight.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:19:02am

Have used the super quick block / unblock method twice tonight to keep creepy Bernie stans from following me.

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CarolJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:20:03am

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Fortunately, we will probably never find out. The numbers for Sanders are grim. Only Vermont looks like a decisive win for him. Massachusetts is looking like at best, it will be a narrow win. Colorado is closed caucus with a registration date long past. Everywhere else Clinton is in double digits. Nor are the 3/7 and 3/15 dates looking any better for him-Hillary has large leads there too.Insul

This thing could be over in two weeks. Trump is making people eager to unite the tribes and take him on, and Bernie doesn’t look like he’s ready for prime time. He’s a one-note candidate, too old, lacks gravitas and a real track record of accomplishment. He’s also tone-deaf dealing with groups beyond his white Vermont base. And insulting the minority vote goes beyond some of the statements of his supporters. Killer Mike (never heard of him before this) and Cornell West (angry at losing his pseudo-black leader role) for surrogates instead of real leaders shows a disdain for substance and for the intelligence of the people he was trying to reach.
His attacks on both Clinton (Bill and Hill) and Obama also shows he has little understanding of the Dem electorate. Democrats love all three, all three were successful bright lights in a long run of Republican dominance. Major campaign fail.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:50:53am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

There’s some story circulating about a Marine vet that got booted out of a Clinton event for asking about Benghazi. You know what, with all respect to this man, did Reagan face anywhere near the scrunity for the Beirut barracks bombing that Clinton has for Benghazi or Bush for the 9/11 attacks. Benghazi was tragic no doubt about it but it’s insulting that this tragedy is used to attack like Clinton didn’t care that four people died. Where was the anger in the Bush years when our embassies and consulates were attacked? If Benghazi genuinely infuriates you, you should despise Reagan for Beirut. And here’s another factoid, Benghazi has had more investigations than 9/11 did and the Bush administration in fact did resist an investigation into 9/11.

Well said. Clinton is not responsible for Benghazi. It was a tragedy which resulted in four American deaths. It’s ugly how a republicans have exploited it for political gain.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 3:57:42am

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Oh wow.

vine.co

Wow! That’s pretty humiliating. Trump has no respect for anybody. Can you imagine how he would treat regular folks if he became President? Especially those who don’t agree with his policies?
Yet Christie deserved that for endorsing such a bigoted, unqualified person.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 4:18:42am

Another day, another Trump tweet of a fascist quote (and lo and behold, the person being quoted is following the US fascist party).

You seriously can’t make this stuff up. It’s almost like he’s daring people to recognize he’s a raging fascist asshole, but the GOP simply wont do it because they need his supporters’ votes.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 4:21:03am

Trump once again threatens the GOP “establishment” he’ll walk if they try to sideline him:

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 4:26:18am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 4:50:04am

re: #60 MsJ

Y’all are much better people than me. I can’t be friends with right wingers. I find their value systems so fucked up and their views on humanity in general so appalling I have no desire to spend time in any one of their companies. I’d rather be alone. Or better yet, with my dogs who treat and view people better than right wingers do.

They are meat-machines like the rest of us, products of their upbringing and life experiences. Humans.

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 4:55:47am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I like that the Trump campaign is tackling anorexia.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:02:12am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:03:43am

re: #85 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

Turns out those 65 year old back ladies know how to get shit done.

During the 2014 campaign I worked with a lady in her 80’s, handing out literature on the street corners in a black neighborhood. She had taught a generation and a half, starting in the segregated schools, and including the state rep candidate we were working for. Every third car at the stop sign she could go: “Are you registered Samuel? Just pull into the community center there.”

“Yez mam”.

She died last year and she is terribly missed.

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Alyosha  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:06:50am

Not a terribly surprising outcome in South Carolina and I’m pleased that the result was decisive. Super Tuesday, I hope, will yield a similar outcome. I seriously want the nomination process to be decided ASAP so we can see the Dems (with or without the professional malcontents) form a coherent front against the Republican maelstrom.

It could very well be that the unique convergence of a violently-rent GOP will favour the Democratic candidate who has been unfairly savaged in the interests of ramping up uncertainty and thus driving media ratings. I can’t tell yet; I just think the party needs to be in position, rested and ready for the moment the gate gets drawn up and we must confront whatever monster the Republican’s have decided to unleash.
Whether that is Trump or some kind of compromised convention-ordained mutant, it’ll pay to put this petty infighting behind us sharpish.

I chewed my fingers down to the bone the last two cycles and was so relieved when Obama won twice. I’ve come to identify alot with moderate Democrats or even those idealists who know there’s more to politics than purity.

Not sure if any of this approaches coherence, I’ve been laid out with flu. No signs of werepandism yet…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:12:07am
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Alyosha  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:14:41am

I say ‘we’ in solidarity. I know there’s not much I can do. I have a subscription so hopefully that can offset any contributions Charles makes. Otherwise, if y’all need an International Brigade if things really go to pot, I’m not really doing anything ;)

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:15:28am

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Then overlay those domestic forces with a Cold War pumping arms and bolstering one side or another…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:22:16am
One of the GOP’s leading billionaire donors is also funding 96 percent of a super PAC named “Black Americans for a Better Future.”

Funny thing is, that donor, eccentric billionaire Robert Mercer, is white.

Is it odd that an organization that says it’s made up of “Black Americans” is in fact bankrolled by a white billionaire? Sure, but that’s just the beginning.

The organization, “Black Americans for a Better Future,” essentially a one-person shop run by longtime GOP political operative Raynard Jackson.

Jackson is an unusual character. This is clear even on the surface: his slapdash website looks like a bad parody of 1998, and is littered with typos and grammatical mistakes. (“Is homosexual entitlements the new civil rights?” “I am also available for speaking engagements also.”)

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:22:32am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:23:06am

re: #118 Alyosha

I say ‘we’ in solidarity. I know there’s not much I can do. I have a subscription so hopefully that can offset any contributions Charles makes. Otherwise, if y’all need an International Brigade if things really go to pot, I’m not really doing anything ;)

Remember the war against Franco
That’s the kind where each of us belongs
Though he may have won all the battles
We had all the good songs

Youtube Video

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:23:22am

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

now imagine if you KNOW it’s because of political frustration, economic stagnation, & social decay but everyone kept calling it jihad….

it is seen by many as a Holy War

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Alyosha  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:31:25am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

It’s the kind of conflict that presaged the more morally obvious one. So the Spanish Civil War is romanticised to a large degree. My knowledge of it is informed by Orwell for the most part so if it does come to revolution, as the Sanders-boosters might have it, I hold no illusions it would be ideal.
The Russians had a hand in corrupting the Republican side just as the Nazis acted as much needed corset-stiffeners for the Loyalists.
I know it won’t come to that. And one of our first exchanges involved a song. It might have had something to do with Guadalajara.
Not sure…

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:31:42am

The black vote just busted Bernie in the chops hard. I didn’t understand the black perspective on their problem with white progressives until the last few months. His response to BLM was tepid at best and he failed to capitalize on that. But I think his fanatical fans had a lot to do with it. What an eye opener for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:35:16am

The Intercept’s Lee Fang flexing some more of his renowned journalist skills.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:38:31am

Bernie bros are spouting the same crap that was said about Nader.
“A Bush presidency would be so terrible that a progressive revolution will save us!”
Now it’s;
“A Bush Trump presidency would be so terrible that a progressive revolution will save us!”
The. Same. Exact. Bullshit.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:38:35am

re: #124 Alyosha

It’s the kind of conflict that presaged the more morally obvious one. So the Spanish Civil War is romanticised to a large degree. My knowledge of it is informed by Orwell for the most part so if it does come to revolution, as the Sanders-boosters might have it, I hold no illusions it would be ideal.
The Russians had a hand in corrupting the Republican side just as the Nazis acted as much needed corset-stiffeners for the Loyalists.
I know it won’t come to that. And one of our first exchanges involved a song. It might have had something to do with Guadalajara.
Not sure…

“Guadalajara” is one of the words you say just because it feels so good to say it. (“Teruel” and “Luthien Tinuviel” are others.)

I raised by priests and nuns, thus a lot of Phalange Phans. Fortunately, our school library had this book, which pretty much undid it all:

amazon.com

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:21am

Just makes you wanna bust out the clue x four.
/Sigh.

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Alyosha  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:53am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

“Guadalajara” is one of the words you say just because it feels so good to say it. (“Teruel” and “Luthien Tinuviel” are others.)

I raised by priests and nuns, thus a lot of Phalange Phans. Fortunately, our school library had this book, which pretty much undid it all:

amazon.com

My copy of ‘For Whom The Bell Tolls’ has the very same cover photo. I was looking at getting my hands on a copy of Antony Beevor’s work on the conflict since his writing style is one I’m already familiar with.
Strange thing is, I always put off buying it when I’m on a history jag.
I know how it ends and it’s still too raw. That’s history for you.

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b.d.  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:46:49am

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

The Intercept’s Lee Fang flexing some more of his renowned journalist skills.

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OMG Neera is using an alias when emailing HRC!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:47:36am
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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:50:12am

Look at this, wowsers:

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:51:14am

“We’ll drop him like a hot rock.”

Except that rock is tied around the GOP’s neck…

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:53:30am

Trump Clinton debates: Team HRC will be focused on letting Trump do himself in with his mouth. The carnage will be epic.

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:55:30am

re: #135 SoundGuy 2016

Trump Clinton debates: Team HRC will be focused on letting Trump do himself in with his mouth. The carnage will be epic.

Please proceed Governor Part II.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:56:06am

re: #135 SoundGuy 2016

Trump Clinton debates: Team HRC will be focused on letting Trump do himself in with his mouth. The carnage will be epic.

I want to see a Democrat campaign free of attack ads against Trump. Just focus on all the advances we have made in past decades that the GOP wants to revoke. Clearly, specifically and graphically for anyone who is a woman, a minority, LGBT, breathes air or drinks water, has children, or has sex for anything but reproductive purposes with their (opposite gender) legally married spouse.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:56:13am
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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:00:02am

Good point: HRC should run on the record of moderate Dem politics and against GOP obstructionism. Let the Trumpenftein do his damage.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:04:17am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I want to see a Democrat campaign free of attack ads against Trump. Just focus on all the advances we have made in past decades that the GOP wants to revoke. Clearly, specifically and graphically for anyone who is a woman, a minority, LGBT, breathes air or drinks water, has children, or has sex for anything but reproductive purposes with their (opposite gender) legally married spouse.

This strategy failed spectacularly in the GOP primary, why so sanguine about it’s effectivity in the general?

I think a strong, hard hitting campaign using all of the facts establishing Trump’s racist bigotry needs to be put out there by somebody, maybe not by the HRC campaign itself but by the DNC or certain PACs. It should start with the 1973 fair housing lawsuit and just hammer together every clownish, objectively fucked up thing he’s said on the campaign trail so far.

I don’t think this is going to be the kind of election where we want to take the high road and leave any ammunition on the table. He needs to be put on the defensive fast and kept there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:04:46am

Donald Trump is the Idi Amin of white people.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:31am

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

Maybe HRC can goad him into suing her. Be still my heart.

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Nojay UK  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:06:35am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“We’ll drop him like a hot rock.”

Except that rock is tied around the GOP’s neck…

A third-party run by Trump is paradoxically the best the GOP could hope for at this point in time. The Presidency is lost to them but having Trump as their official candidate drags down all the other GOP races. If he’s running a third-party campaign against a sacrificial lamb (Ryan will probably say no but McCain is enough of an egotist that he would probably bite, or Palin maybe as top of the ticket) the GOP faithful will vote for them and the down-ticket races, as will some or most of the 3rd-party Trump voters. What they don’t want is an energised anti-Trump opposition who will pull the Dem lever reflexively on everything else after voting “Hell, NO!” to GOP nominee Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:07:44am

re: #142 SoundGuy 2016

Maybe HRC can goad him into suing her. Be still my heart.

All she has to do is say he’s a failed businessman, with male pattern baldness and a spray tan. He’ll sue for defamation.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:08:31am
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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:10:27am

re: #128 Decatur Deb

“Guadalajara” is one of the words you say just because it feels so good to say it. (“Teruel” and “Luthien Tinuviel” are others.)

I raised by priests and nuns, thus a lot of Phalange Phans. Fortunately, our school library had this book, which pretty much undid it all:

amazon.com

Ah, Spain.

Here’s a delightful < spit > tale of the remains of those days…

Ascensión Mendieta has finally found her father.

Mendieta is 90 now. She was 13 when she last saw him. He was marched away from their home in the middle of the night, with a stranger holding a pistol to his head. The year was 1939.

npr.org

Never let anyone tell you that Franco, Pinochet or any of the rest were anything but pure evil.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:11:40am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

Remember the war against Franco
That’s the kind where each of us belongs
Though he may have won all the battles
We had all the good songs

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Spanish songs in Andalucia
The shooting sites in the days of ‘39
Oh, please, leave the vendanna open
Fredrico Lorca is dead and gone
Bullet holes in the cemetery walls
The black cars of the Guardia Civil

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:15:21am
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Alyosha  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:19:03am

re: #146 William Lewis

Ah, Spain.

Here’s a delightful < spit > tale of the remains of those days…

npr.org

Never let anyone tell you that Franco, Pinochet or any of the rest were anything but pure evil.

From the article:

Unlike Germany, which requires schools to teach about its war atrocities to prevent them from ever being forgotten, Spain abides by a so-called “Pact of Forgetting” — a tacit agreement not to talk about the past, formalized by various laws. The Spanish Civil War is something many families still don’t like to discuss. But as these graves are exhumed, this country may be forced to confront its bloody past.

I did not know this.
(Edited) twice

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:25:36am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I want to see a Democrat campaign free of attack ads against Trump. Just focus on all the advances we have made in past decades that the GOP wants to revoke. Clearly, specifically and graphically for anyone who is a woman, a minority, LGBT, breathes air or drinks water, has children, or has sex for anything but reproductive purposes with their (opposite gender) legally married spouse.

You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump turned into a liberal for the general. He already says nice things about Planned Parenthood and vociferously attacks Mr. Bush’s war. Trump is such a wild card he really might say almost anything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:27:20am

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

This strategy failed spectacularly in the GOP primary, why so sanguine about it’s effectivity in the general?

any ammunition on the table. He needs to be put on the defensive fast and kept there.

Because the GOP primary is about appealing to the lowest possible common denominator: the GOP base.

The general is about appealing to people who are not bigots, racists and under-educated.

I think the GOP will do such a fine job of tearing down DT that no help will be needed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:28:35am

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump turned into a liberal for the general. He already says nice things about Planned Parenthood and vociferously attacks Mr. Bush’s war. Trump is such a wild card he really might say almost anything.

If he tries to back away his former extremist positions and sell himself as any sort of moderate, then he definitely needs to be called out. If the news media will not, then that job will fall to the DNC

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:29:23am

re: #147 William Lewis

Federico Garcia Lorca wrote this poem in 1929. He was killed in ‘36, and his remains have yet to be found.

comprendí que me habían asesinado.
Recorrieron los cafés y los cementerios y las iglesias,
…Ya no me encontraron.
¿No me encontraron?
No. No me encontraron.

Then I realized I had been murdered.
They looked for me in cafes, cemeteries and churches
…. but they did not find me.
They never found me?
No. They never found me.

De Fábula y rueda de los tres amigos.
From “The Fable And Round of the Three Friends”,
Poet in New York (1929), Garcia Lorca

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:30:31am

re: #143 Nojay UK

A third-party run by Trump is paradoxically the best the GOP could hope for at this point in time. The Presidency is lost to them but having Trump as their official candidate drags down all the other GOP races. If he’s running a third-party campaign against a sacrificial lamb (Ryan will probably say no but McCain is enough of an egotist that he would probably bite, or Palin maybe as top of the ticket) the GOP faithful will vote for them and the down-ticket races, as will some or most of the 3rd-party Trump voters. What they don’t want is an energised anti-Trump opposition who will pull the Dem lever reflexively on everything else after voting “Hell, NO!” to GOP nominee Trump.

That isn’t going to happen because Trump is focused on winning the GOP nomination. In the unlikely event he doesn’t get quite enough delegates to win on the first ballot and it becomes apparent that the GOP is plotting to hand the nomination to Rubio or someone else (Romney, maybe?), it will be too late for him to get on the ballot as an independent in a lot of states. Whether the GOP Convention is a coronation of Trump or a bitter, multi-ballot fight for the nomination, its going to be fascinating to watch.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:37:56am

re: #148 SoundGuy 2016

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It’s worse than I thought then. I don’t blame Ms. Scott for being pissed because that’s just pathetic and bigoted too.

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:38:44am

re: #154 Big Beautiful Door

This talk of what will happen to Trump at the GOP convention, or whether he may peel off and run as a 3rd party led me to do some googlin’.

Interesting from Red State, from Leon H. Wolf.

On the other hand, there’s a real argument (probably a correct one, if we are being honest) that Donald Trump would be a worse president than Hillary Clinton. Just judging by what he has done this campaign season, he would easily be the worst President who ever lived.

All things being equal, as a man with a family and children, I would probably prefer the slow decline of America under Hillary to the rapid collapse under Trump.

I don’t read Red State, but I sometimes slow down to look at accidents.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:39:39am

OK. I studied Lorca in college, so pardon this digression. This is a sample of his poetry, with an English translation I found online — by Charles W. Johnson.

Inorite?

Canción del jinete

Córdoba.
Lejana y sola.

Jaca negra, luna grande,
y aceitunas en mi alforja.
Aunque sepa los caminos,
yo nunca llegaré a Córdoba.

Por el llano, por el viento,
jaca negra, luna roja.
La muerte me está mirando
desde las torres de Córdoba.

¡Ay que camino tan largo!
¡Ay mi jaca valerosa!
¡Ay que la muerte me espera,
antes de llegar a Córdoba!

Córdoba.
Lejana y sola.
- Federico García Lorca, 1921

Horseman’s Song

Cordoba.
Distant and alone.

A black nag, the giant moon,
and olives in my saddlebag.
Even if I know the way,
I never will reach Cordoba.

Over the plain, through the wind,
A black nag, the bloody moon.
The Reaper is watching me
From the tall towers of Cordoba.

Oh, such a long road!
Oh, my valiant nag!
Oh, the Reaper awaits me
before I ever reach Cordoba!

Cordoba.
Distant and alone.

- Translation, Charles W. Johnson
eskimo.com

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:45:20am

re: #86 Nyet

One of the stupidest talking points is that Pres. Hillary Clinton means a return to Clintonism (whatever that means). This seems to me to be an almost sexist claim - she’s her own person, she’s not her husband.

The Clinton era was pretty good in my opinion so I wouldn’t mind a return. And I would love a strengthening of Obama’s legacy.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:46:58am

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump turned into a liberal for the general. He already says nice things about Planned Parenthood and vociferously attacks Mr. Bush’s war. Trump is such a wild card he really might say almost anything.

The problem with doing the Etch-a-Sketch in the general is that The Base will not vote for him. White bigots will only take Trump so far.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:50:51am

There is this idiot BernieBro in my mentions, who just wants to watch the world burn==>

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:51:41am

re: #159 MsJ

Red State’s core commenters are going buggy about Trump and THEY want to break off the GOP and run a 3rd party of TRUE conservatives. From the comments it seems that 3rd party talk was previously not allowed. Apparently “3rd party” was an idea during Romney’s run.

We MUST run a third party nominee if Trump wins the nomination, this is what we should have been doing all along. Trump is not a Christian, not a constitutionalist, not a conservative. He is pro-Planned Parenthood and pro-abortion. The mainstream GOP never lets a Christian constitutionalist through, which produced Trump, well, this is our chance to finally propose one. The ideal choice is either Perry or Cruz or Governor Sam Brownback.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:52:31am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

There is this idiot BernieBro in my mentions, who just wants to watch the world burn==>

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Total idiot. I’d rather watch the country crumble if I don’t get my way. Sigh.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:52:43am

re: #159 MsJ

The problem with doing the Etch-a-Sketch in the general is that The Base will not vote for him. White bigots will only take Trump so far.

This is shaping up as a landslide for Hillary. Its going to be epic watching the GOP meltdown. The Red State link above was an interesting read. Would a high profile conservative like Cruz or Paul take the nomination of say, the Constitution Party to give conservatives an alternative?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:53:27am

re: #161 Ming5000

Red State’s core commenters are going buggy about Trump and THEY want to break off the GOP and run a 3rd party of TRUE conservatives. From the comments it seems that 3rd party talk was not allowed. Apparently this was an idea during Romney’s run.

Perry, Cruz, or Brownback? Bwahahhaa. This is too perfect.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:53:59am

re: #161 Ming5000

Red State’s core commenters are going buggy about Trump and THEY want to break off the GOP and run a 3rd party of TRUE conservatives. From the comments it seems that 3rd party talk was not allowed. Apparently this was an idea during Romney’s run.

Brownback, the guy who wrecked Kansas. Perfect!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:54:42am

re: #165 Big Beautiful Door

Brownback, the guy who wrecked Kansas. Perfect!

Yeah but he’s a true conservative! And true conservatives have actual records of wrecking economies through their own failed policies!

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:55:12am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Total idiot. I’d rather watch the country crumble if I don’t get my way. Sigh.

I’m starting to think voting should be mandatory. Call it the Individual Voting Mandate.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:56:18am

Off to see my son. Will be wearing my leftist hat with Bernie button but keep slapping down the idiots so we can hopefully get them both into offices they can do some real good from.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:58:21am

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump turned into a liberal for the general. He already says nice things about Planned Parenthood and vociferously attacks Mr. Bush’s war. Trump is such a wild card he really might say almost anything.

A Liberal who makes xenophobic, racist and sexist comments and who has promised to appoint Justices to overturn marriage equality? I don’t think that will work.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:59:17am

I’m Taking My Vote and Going Home.

Petulant little shits. No different than TeaBaggers.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:59:30am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Night. One of those would make a sweet tattoo.

Art Museum uses that as their symbol. When you get the little metal badge for your shirt/jacket when you enter that is what is on it. I have a few of those kicking around somewhere since the cats play with them.

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:00:16am

re: #169 Patricia Kayden

A Liberal who makes xenophobic, racist and sexist comments and who has promised to appoint Justices to overturn marriage equality? I don’t think that will work.

You’ve never met many of the Boston “liberals” I know, have you :)

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:01:43am

re: #167 Franklin

I’m starting to think voting should be mandatory. Call it the Individual Voting Mandate.

There is a core of Red State followers that still will vote to give Trump the White House, no matter what.
(this is the last Red State mention, I promise. The comments section is pure gold right now)

“Donald Trump would be a worse president than Hillary Clinton”
Anyone who makes this assertion should never be taken seriously again. Clinton jeopardized national security for personal gain, violated the Espionage Act and committed other related felonies, and if convicted richly would deserve to die in prison. She is a modern Ethel Rosenberg.

Trump indeed is pathetic but temperamentally he is better than John McCain. In fact, McCain was and is unfit for public office and is singularly the worst person who ever received my vote.

There’s a whole lot of space between Trump and perfect, but no way I would prefer Hillary. I’d rather throw darts at the phone book than put Hillary in the White House.

People like to criticize Trump for flip-flopped positions and dishonesty but every candidate is guilty of these.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:02:04am

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Art Museum uses that as their symbol. When you get the little metal badge for your shirt/jacket when you enter that is what is on it. I have a few of those kicking around somewhere since the cats play with them.

They are quite cool looking.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:06:59am

re: #163 Big Beautiful Door

This is shaping up as a landslide for Hillary. Its going to be epic watching the GOP meltdown. The Red State link above was an interesting read. Would a high profile conservative like Cruz or Paul take the nomination of say, the Constitution Party to give conservatives an alternative?

That’s an interesting question my first reaction was no way. But, the more I think about both of their egos…maybe.

Cruz is in it for Cruz. All republicans dislike him now so what’s to lose? And Paul is just dopey. I do not see him having the career of his father, even as he lives off the name. That said, Paul is young and can run again (and again and again), so I don’t think he wants to burn, no, nuke those bridges just yet.

Cruz, OTOH, I think has a limited shelf life because he was swept in in the teabagger revolt and has been shown, on a national stage, to be…meh.

But, if Cruz or Paul go 3rd party and Hillary wins by vote splitting (which will be the narrative even if she wins 90% of the vote), that 3rd party run will kill any and all future aspirations.

That’s my take. YMMV

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:09:19am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

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danarchy  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:12:23am

re: #172 Franklin

You’ve never met many of the Boston “liberals” I know, have you :)

Having grown up in Massachusetts, spent some time in the construction industry working with union guys who have voted democrat since the beginning of time, it sometimes makes me chuckle when people assume that racism and sexism is mainly a problem on the other side.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:15:00am

re: #133 SoundGuy 2016

Look at this, wowsers:

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We’re used to Democrat candidates running away from Obama and then losing. (Since why vote for pseudo-GOP when you can vote for the real thing.) The GOP making sounds like they’ll run away from their own POTUS candidate is new.

And in the normal run of politics probably devastating since it makes the local contests concentrate very heavily on the local candidates themselves, no real party unity beyond a “circle the wagons, the Liberals are attacking!” mentality, and no local appearances by the candidate since he won’t be invited. Or he’ll be running his own events, which would be double spending on resources and wasteful in other ways.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:16:02am

re: #177 danarchy

Having grown up in Massachusetts, spent some time in the construction industry working with union guys who have voted democrat since the beginning of time, it sometimes makes me chuckle when people assume that racism and sexism is mainly a problem on the other side.

That begs the question: which is stronger, racism/sexism (Trump) or democratic values (Clinton)?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:16:14am

re: #138 SoundGuy 2016

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So the blacks that might really know about Sanders marching with MLK were not buying it at all.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:20:11am

re: #169 Patricia Kayden

A Liberal who makes xenophobic, racist and sexist comments and who has promised to appoint Justices to overturn marriage equality? I don’t think that will work.

He could just flip on marriage equality. I bet anything some Berniebros would like his message of protectionism.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:20:59am
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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:21:20am
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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:21:53am

re: #182 Nyet

I suppose it could, theoretically, be a wingnut plant… but we all also know the type.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:22:22am

re: #182 Nyet

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Yes Hillary was forced on the people who voted overwhelmingly for her yesterday. Sigh get a fucking grip already.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:23:53am

re: #154 Big Beautiful Door

That isn’t going to happen because Trump is focused on winning the GOP nomination. In the unlikely event he doesn’t get quite enough delegates to win on the first ballot and it becomes apparent that the GOP is plotting to hand the nomination to Rubio or someone else (Romney, maybe?), it will be too late for him to get on the ballot as an independent in a lot of states. Whether the GOP Convention is a coronation of Trump or a bitter, multi-ballot fight for the nomination, its going to be fascinating to watch.

If the convention avoids nominating Trump the entire campaign after that point will be nothing but attack ads on Hillary by every candidate, PAC, etc. (as if it wouldn’t have been anyways.) The GOP will be working their darnedest to try to win back and keep all the angry white people who made up the Trump demographic.

I will actually be curious to see how Trump and the media play this. Does Trump fade silently away, or does he go on the attack. (And with the latter the GOP immediately paints him as a liberal in wolf’s clothing I guess.) And does the media continue to give him air time, call out the GOP’s hypocrisy, or essentially just ignore both and remain complicit in backing the GOP via refusal to act with any integrity or interest in journalism?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:24:21am

re: #175 MsJ

That’s an interesting question my first reaction was no way. But, the more I think about both of their egos…maybe.

Cruz is in it for Cruz. All republicans dislike him now so what’s to lose? And Paul is just dopey. I do not see him having the career of his father, even as he lives off the name. That said, Paul is young and can run again (and again and again), so I don’t think he wants to burn, no, nuke those bridges just yet.

Cruz, OTOH, I think has a limited shelf life because he was swept in in the teabagger revolt and has been shown, on a national stage, to be…meh.

But, if Cruz or Paul go 3rd party and Hillary wins by vote splitting (which will be the narrative even if she wins 90% of the vote), that 3rd party run will kill any and all future aspirations.

That’s my take. YMMV

They would spin it as the Red State article did, giving conservative voters a reason to go to the polls to save down ticket Republicans. They would convince themselves they were doing it for the GOP so it wouldn’t hurt their future aspirations. Whether it actually would or not I don’t know.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:24:29am

Oh DAMN!

Donald Trump refuses to denounce the Ku Klux Klan. Repeatedly.

“Well just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke, OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know. I don’t know. I mean, did he endorse me? Or what’s going on? Because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke, I know nothing about white supremacists, and so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.”

Watch the video below, it’s bad, like really fucking bad.

Donald Trump Refuses To Disavow David Duke Or The KKK

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:25:40am

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

Oh DAMN!

Donald Trump refuses to denounce the Ku Klux Klan. Repeatedly.

Watch the video below, it’s bad, like really fucking bad.

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He knows who Duke is.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:26:08am

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

There’s a shocker.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:00am

re: #190 Nyet

There’s a shocker.

That Trump actually acted like a reasonable adult? Yes it is.

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:26am

re: #177 danarchy

Having grown up in Massachusetts, spent some time in the construction industry working with union guys who have voted democrat since the beginning of time, it sometimes makes me chuckle when people assume that racism and sexism is mainly a problem on the other side.

So much truth in that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:27am

re: #179 MsJ

That begs the question: which is stronger, racism/sexism (Trump) or democratic values (Clinton)?

Trump will also be running as a protectionist, which will appeal to white blue collar voters as well.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:39am

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

There’s that Trump infallible memory striking again.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:28:29am

re: #175 MsJ

That’s an interesting question my first reaction was no way. But, the more I think about both of their egos…maybe.

Cruz is in it for Cruz. All republicans dislike him now so what’s to lose? And Paul is just dopey. I do not see him having the career of his father, even as he lives off the name. That said, Paul is young and can run again (and again and again), so I don’t think he wants to burn, no, nuke those bridges just yet.

Cruz, OTOH, I think has a limited shelf life because he was swept in in the teabagger revolt and has been shown, on a national stage, to be…meh.

But, if Cruz or Paul go 3rd party and Hillary wins by vote splitting (which will be the narrative even if she wins 90% of the vote), that 3rd party run will kill any and all future aspirations.

That’s my take. YMMV

The other fallout from all this is going to be the primary rule changes the GOP starts making in order to prevent “Trump II: Fascist Bugaloo” the next time around.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:29:26am

re: #192 Franklin

So much truth in that.

Not from MA but no doubt racism and homophobia definitely isn’t limited to Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:29:56am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

The other fallout from all this is going to be the primary rule changes the GOP starts making in order to prevent “Trump II: Fascist Bugaloo” the next time around.

This is their 1972.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:30:42am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

He knows who Duke is.

Damn skippy Trump knows who he is. Pretty much everyone does. I first heard of him 25+ years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:31:01am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:31:06am

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

Trump will also be running as a protectionist, which will appeal to white blue collar voters as well.

Well white blue collar workers have been trending GOP a while even with the party’s trade and anti workers rights stances.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:31:57am

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

Damn skippy Trump knows who he is. Pretty much everyone does. I first heard of him 25+ years ago.

Exactly. To play ignorance of Duke like that is hysterical.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:32:32am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Not from MA but no doubt racism and homophobia definitely isn’t limited to Republicans.

Heh. Definitely not. And I would say that based only on experience with people in PA, NY, and NJ.

It’s the main reason I dislike default bashing of the South. The North has (and had) it’s share of racists, but however did not have it openly running the state governments and institutions. (Or had enough non-racists/moral people to outlaw chattel slavery.)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:33:17am

“Despite having one of the all-time greatest memories” he keeps conveniently forgetting who people are. But sure, if he want’s people to think he’s senile that’s okay too.

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sagehen  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:34:00am

re: #170 SoundGuy 2016

I’m Taking My Vote and Going Home.

Petulant little shits. No different than TeaBaggers.

Much different. The TeaBaggers show up on election day. If what they want isn’t on the menu, they’ll hold their noses and vote for whatever option is closest to what they really want.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:34:11am

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. Definitely not. And I would say that based only on experience with people in PA, NY, and NJ.

It’s the main reason I dislike default bashing of the South. The North has (and had) it’s share of racists, but however did not have it openly running the state governments and institutions. (Or had enough non-racists/moral people to outlaw chattel slavery.)

Right.

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Nyet  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:35:43am

Hitler? Who’s that?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:36:02am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:36:59am

re: #206 Nyet

Hitler? Who’s that?

I think he was The Tramp.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:39:12am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

The other fallout from all this is going to be the primary rule changes the GOP starts making in order to prevent “Trump II: Fascist Bugaloo” the next time around.

It’s a damn shame the GOP couldn’t try coming up with ideas instead of stupidity. “Democrat” party, lies, distortion, stopping government from functioning, etc., etc., etc. I’d have no problem losing to ideas. But the Benghazi Boogaloo at every stage, for all thought and concept is infuriating.

I’m glad Trump is tearing down the propaganda machine Rush/Murdoch, et al built.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:41:34am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Federico Garcia Lorca wrote this poem in 1929. He was killed in ‘36, and his remains have yet to be found.

De Fábula y rueda de los tres amigos.
From “The Fable And Round of the Three Friends”,
Poet in New York (1929), Garcia Lorca


Voy buscando una muerte de luz que me consoma.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:51:33am
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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:55:49am

Morning!

So, I have MTP on just to listen to the guest politicians ramble on.

Anyway I think Cruz just opened the discussion of TRUMP having mob ties. I’m not following along that much but I think he said something about Fat Tony Salerno.

And oh no…sound down. Chuck Toadd has Erik Erickson on his panel. Uggh!

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:58:06am

re: #212 ObserverArt

It might be worth hearing Erickson lament the Trumping of the GOP

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:04:53am

Here is a lament. Just heard this on MTP and found a link to back it up…

NJ.com - Christie funder Meg Whitman calls Trump endorsement ‘political opportunism’

WASHINGTON — Hewlett-Packard chief executive Meg Whitman, a major contributor to Gov. Chris Christie’s ill-fated presidential campaign, called his endorsement of businessman Donald Trump “an astonishing display of political opportunism.”

In the statement, first reported by NBC News, Whitman called on other Christie supporters and donors to reject his lead. That put her at odds with the governor, who has told state and county Republican leaders that wanted them to back Trump as well.

Whitman, who was a co-chair of Christie’s national finance team, contributed $2,700 to his presidential campaign and another $200,000 to his aligned super political action committee, America Leads, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based research group.

“Chris Christie’s endorsement of Donald Trump is an astonishing display of political opportunism,”Whitman said in the statement. “Donald Trump is unfit to be president. He is a dishonest demagogue who plays to our worst fears. Trump would take America on a dangerous journey. Christie knows all that and indicated as much many times publicly. The governor is mistaken if he believes he can now count on my support, and I call on Christie’s donors and supporters to reject the governor and Donald Trump outright. I believe they will. For some of us, principle and country still matter.”

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KA-BOOM!

I wonder who in the Republican party is responsible for following the elephants with the push broom, dustpan and the bag to hold all the foul crap being ‘released’ this year.

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:13:07am

re: #214 ObserverArt

There does not seem to be any elected leaders responsible. All elected leaders are immediately part of the establishment. The right seems to be led by their media people. And now the Son of Erics are trying to formulate a plan. But, the internal sturm und drang is mighty.
I almost feel sorry for them, except:
1) They did bring this on themselves
2) All Americans are potentially at risk from the Trump thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:14:39am

re: #214 ObserverArt

Here is a lament. Just heard this on MTP and found a link to back it up…

NJ.com - Christie funder Meg Whitman calls Trump endorsement ‘political opportunism’

KA-BOOM!

I wonder who in the Republican party is responsible for following the elephants with the push broom, dustpan and the bag to hold all the foul crap being ‘released’ this year.

Damn the infighting is fun to watch.

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Great White Snark  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:16:35am

I promised myself I’d never stoop so low as to what the harshest critics had to say & do & imply about Bill Clinton, George Bush and President Obama. Can I keep that promise with a President Trump? Not gonna be easy.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:16:42am

Ever wonder what kind of person sits around googling the n-word?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:18:02am

re: #215 Ming5000

There does not seem to be any elected leaders responsible. All elected leaders are immediately part of the establishment. The right seems to be led by their media people. And now the Son of Erics are trying to formulate a plan. But, the internal sturm und drang is mighty.
I almost feel sorry for them, except:
1) They did bring this on themselves
2) All Americans are potentially at risk from the Trump thing.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all. Like Genghis Khan, Trump is God’s scourge on the GOP that they so richly deserve.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:19:04am

re: #217 Great White Snark

I promised myself I’d never stoop so low as to what the harshest critics had to say & do & imply about Bill Clinton, George Bush and President Obama. Can I keep that promise with a President Trump? Not gonna be easy.

Except it would be the truth. Not that there is going to be a President Trump.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:21:24am

Have the like and dislike buttons stopped working? I’ve been trying to upding all of goddamnedfranks twitter exchanges, but it won’t register.

I’ve been having issues with my new computer not fully loading websites. It took a half a dozen refreshes before LGF loaded properly this morning. I’m using Google Chrome, Windows 10 and a molasses-slow DSL connection.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:21:26am

Reading through this thread now, and I can’t believe the comments from the Bernie Sanders supporters. Jeezuzz these people are all basically saying stuff along the lines of what Sanders said in the one debate: “to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so that they’re not hanging out on street corners.”

Do all the Sanders backers live in Vermont, far away from actual people of color? They sure are speaking like they do. Maybe they all need more than the cliche fallback “black friend” they all seem to know…in a another state somewhere.

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Ming5000  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:22:36am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Damn the infighting is fun to watch.

I agree. I feel the degree of disassociation from reality, science, humanism, rationality, etc., on the right has been so extreme over the last 8 years that I cannot believe this is real life and not a bad 1980’s movie.
But, now, with Trump, there are wonderful cracks in the right’s tautology. Some seem to be waking from their fever enough where there is DISAGREEMENT within the ranks.

Reminds me of a zombie movie where somehow the zombies start sniffing differences among themselves and tear each other apart.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:24:01am

A lot of those registered Dems are people who haven’t voted Democratic in a very long time.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:24:39am

LOL!

How We Fooled Donald Trump Into Retweeting Benito Mussolini

Last year, we set a trap for Trump. We came up with the idea for that Mussolini bot under the assumption that Trump would retweet just about anything, no matter how dubious or vile the source, as long as it sounded like praise for himself. (It helps that that a number of Mussolini’s quotes sound plausibly like lines from Trump’s myriad books.) The account, @ilduce2016, was created by Gawker senior writer Ashley Feinberg and Gawker Media Editorial Labs director Adam Pash. It has tweeted solely at Donald Trump, multiple times a day, since December 2015.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:25:35am

Fuck off out of my mentions

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:26:14am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

A lot of those registered Dems are people who haven’t voted Democratic in a very long time.

We have a lot of those in Kentucky. It will be interesting to see if McConnell’s people can save the state for Rubio or if Trump or Cruz wins the Caucus on March 5. Though conservative Democrats won’t be able to vote in the caucus.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:26:28am

re: #226 goddamnedfrank

And Trump has no problem doing it - every few days quoting a white supremacist or account promoting fascism or racism.

He fell for the honeypot. Again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:26:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:28:34am

When I get dumbshits like this in my mentions I have to scroll through their timelines to see if they are Trump or Bernie supporters.

Berniebots get muted, Trumpsuckers get muted & blocked.

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Tigger2  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:29:35am
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Great White Snark  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:30:03am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

“I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists,” he said. “So I don’t know. I don’t know — did he endorse me, or what’s going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

Lots of things he does not know supposedly. He did not know If Obama was really a natural born citizen right? Of and a few other things besides David Duke…

Referencing an interview with Howard Stern in 2002, in which the real estate mogul expressed moderate support for the Iraq War, he told NBC News’ Chuck Todd, “I really don’t even know what I mean because that was a long time ago and who knows what was in my head.”

Donald Trump on El Chapo’s Threat: ‘I Don’t Know Anything About That’
“I’m going to win the Hispanic vote,” Trump promised reporters in Laredo, Texas on Thursday.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who has for months rained withering ridicule on onetime party favorite Jeb Bush, on Sunday refused to take responsibility for the former Florida governor’s exit from the 2016 White House race.

“I just don’t know what did him in,” Trump, who won South Carolina’s Republican primary election handily on Saturday, said in an interview on CNN.

Donald Trump’s hilarious admission: I don’t really know how the Internet works

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Great White Snark  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:32:22am

Hm sorry about that formatting, was looking for each quote to have it’s own gray box.

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Tigger2  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:33:08am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:33:09am

re: #233 Great White Snark

Lots of things he does not know supposedly. He did not know If Obama was really a natural born citizen right? Of and a few other things besides David Duke…

Now he doesn’t know if Cruz or Rubio are natural born citizens either.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:34:01am

re: #235 Tigger2

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Except it ends with the missiles being fired and Rubio getting nuked.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:34:07am

So I understand that the turnout in SC yesterday was around 12.5%. That’s just not going to cut it in the real world come November.

Hey DNC! Is anybody home?

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:34:55am

Memo to Rubin:

The GOP is Trump’s party. He’s selling the GOP message better than anyone else. Trying to form a new party from the rump? Good luck with that since there’s nothing left.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:35:06am

re: #238 Skip Intro

So I understand that the turnout in SC yesterday was around 12.5%. That’s just not going to cut it in the real world come November.

Hey DNC! Is anybody home?

Its a primary; that is probably fairly typical, especially when one candidate is as inept as Sanders.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:35:07am

Goddamnyou goddamnedfrank!

I was reading the overnight comments and you used a word I had no idea of…never seen before.

“scrotalpated”

So I looked it up. it was misspelled according to Google…it should have been scrotalplated.

Is that what you intended, just misspelled?

If so…goddamnedfrank!

This is info I did not need to know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:36:01am

Brothers from Another Mother

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:37:05am

re: #239 lawhawk

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Memo to Rubin:

The GOP is Trump’s party. He’s selling the GOP message better than anyone else. Trying to form a new party from the rump? Good luck with that since there’s nothing left.

And that party will be selling a message nobody but the 1% are buying: massive tax cuts for the rich and big cuts to social security and medicare and tax hikes for the middle class to pay for it.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:38:49am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck off out of my mentions

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Heh…one of her tweets in her timeline says “@TheDemocrats DNC needs to stop trying to force #hillary on us.”

Would that be the party that Hillary has been very very active in all these years or the one that allowed Bernie to run under it’s name to allow the Bernie supports to try to force Bernie on the Clinton supporters?

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:39:14am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Goddamnyou goddamnedfrank!

I was reading the overnight comments and you used a word I had no idea of…never seen before.

“scrotalpated”

So I looked it up. it was misspelled according to Google…it should have been scrotalplated.

Is that what you intended, just misspelled?

If so…goddamnedfrank!

This is info I did not need to know.

It’s a word he made up…said he was gonna TM it, IIRC from a thread the other night. :-)

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Tigger2  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:40:02am

re: #243 Big Beautiful Door

And that party will be selling a message nobody but the 1% are buying: massive tax cuts for the rich and big cuts to social security and medicare and tax hikes for the middle class to pay for it.

That’s a message that needs to die.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:42:46am

re: #246 Tigger2

That’s a message that needs to die.

It won’t because that is what the donor class is paying the GOP to push.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:47:33am

Twitter Moments: #WhereWasBLM

ICYMI: Last night was some fun in the twitterverse. @RodimusPrime started the hashtag. goddamedfrank had a good submit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:47:54am

re: #245 MsJ

It’s a word he made up…said he was gonna TM it, IIRC from a thread the other night. :-)

Yes, like addlepated except with nutsack. Y’all can thank me later.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:49:32am

re: #245 MsJ

It’s a word he made up…said he was gonna TM it, IIRC from a thread the other night. :-)

Then I need ‘frank’s definition for his new creation and a bottle of brain bleach. My tender sensibilities have been bling dinged.

By the way…I do understand the whole scrotal plated thang is a big ‘net hoax. But still…

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:50:06am

re: #158 Patricia Kayden

The Clinton era was pretty good in my opinion so I wouldn’t mind a return. And I would love a strengthening of Obama’s legacy.

Yep, I agree about the Clinton era, and The Onion had this absolute fortune-telling classic when it ended.

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Franklin  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:54:24am

Repost from me, posted the other day.

But this is just the best, me and the kids watch it like 5 times a day, no lie. The MP3 is now my wake up alarm. Start the day off in a good mood:

Golden Girls Gospel Remix (Full Song)

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:54:41am

re: #251 stpaulbear

Yep, I agree about the Clinton era, and The Onion had this absolute fortune-telling classic when it ended.

Wow, they nailed it.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:00:52am

I remember telling anybody who would listen at the time that W would be the worst president in memory.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:01:57am

Joe My God citing Reuters: DNC Vice Chair Resigns And Endorses Sanders

Democratic National Committee vice-chair Tulsi Gabbard resigned from her post on Sunday to endorse Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders. “I think it’s most important for us, as we look at our choices as to who our next commander in chief will be, is to recognize the necessity to have a commander in chief who has foresight, who exercises good judgment,” Gabbard, a U.S. representative for Hawaii, said on MSNBC show “Meet the Press”.

Foresight: check
Good judgment: check
Foreign policy experience: meh

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:03:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:04:17am

Well, the ballot is in my grubby little hands right now.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:08:50am

re: #221 stpaulbear

Have the like and dislike buttons stopped working? I’ve been trying to upding all of goddamnedfranks twitter exchanges, but it won’t register.

I’ve been having issues with my new computer not fully loading websites. It took a half a dozen refreshes before LGF loaded properly this morning. I’m using Google Chrome, Windows 10 and a molasses-slow DSL connection.

Nevermind. I restarted my computer, it downloaded a ton of updates, and now everything works fine.

Damn, it’s hard catching up with this thread! Goddamnedfrank is on a tear and everyone is contributing absolute gems. This has been a joy to read this morning & especially glad to see Trump fall into a steaming vat of crap.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:08:53am

OK the ballot is in my just-washed clean little hands.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:09:48am
Roz Chast
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Jenner7  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:12:54am

I wake up to Donald refusing to condemn the KKK. What will this crazy bigot do next?

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Jenner7  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:16:48am

Did Tulsi Gabbard get a front row seat on MTP for her defection?

She attacks Obama from the right, yet endorses Bernie. That’s….weird.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:17:39am

So I said to Zedushka “your absentee ballot came, I put it on your laptop.”

“Will you please fill it out for me?”

I’m like, “you really want me to fill it out for you?”

*Fills in Ben Carson*

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Danack  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:17:55am

re: #255 De Kolta Chair

Joe My God citing Reuters: DNC Vice Chair Resigns And Endorses Sanders

Why would anyone do that 2 days before the nomination process is likely to be over?

Resigning months ago to campaign for Mr Sanders might have made a difference. But with super Tuesday just about to happen - she’s giving up a post in the party for no gain, and the strong chance of other democrats taking umbrage at the move.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:19:54am

LOL or I could write in Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho if there was enough room on the ballot

Dwayne E.M.D.H. Camacho

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:22:49am

Ted Cruz is tantruming, accusing Fox’s Chris Wallace of being in the tank for Trump:

Ted Cruz complains about Chris Wallace’s tough interview

Relax Ted…it will all be over for you in less than 3 weeks.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:22:52am

re: #264 Danack

Talk about burning a bridge.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:26:53am

I know when I fill out my 1040 form I always check the “NO” block on the question “Have you conducted any business dealing with organized crime associated businesses during the filing year?”
What a fucking moron…

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:27:05am

re: #255 De Kolta Chair

Tulsi Gabbard is cashing all her chips in. She’s a DINO from HI that has been getting more and more Fox cred going full Benghazi. She also has ties to a Krishna cult here, her father was rabidly anti-gay rights and she’s been mute about LGBT. Plus she had a recent kerfuffle on Oahu as a prominent cult member just killed a guy in a boating accident and she may have played favoritism being involved in the case - hard to get real facts out of it so far.

Dropping DNC chair and going full on for Sanders is totally insane unless she’s making moves for post election outcomes.

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No Depression  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:29:18am

re: #266 bratwurst

Ted Cruz is tantruming, accusing Fox’s Chris Wallace of being in the tank for Trump:

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Video

Relax Ted…it will all be over for you in less than 3 weeks.

TOUGH QUESTIONS!!!!1!!1????? THAT WASN’T PART OF THE DEAL!!1!1!!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:35:40am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:38:59am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:40:24am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

I GOP world, they hit a reset button every Saturday morning.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:40:46am

Does anyone have any info on one Helmut Norpoth who is making the big Trump has a 97% chance to beat Hillary prediction?

I saw his name around here the other day. Is he crazy or what?

Going to do a LGF search but any links to his legitimacy would be helpful. I have come across some TruBelievers™ that are saying this whole election is OVER!!!11!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:42:26am

re: #274 ObserverArt

Does anyone have any info on one Helmut Norpoth who is making the big Trump has a 97% chance to beat Hillary prediction?

I saw his name around here the other day. Is he crazy or what?

Going to do a LGF search but any links to his legitimacy would be helpful. I have come across some TruBelievers™ that are saying this whole election is OVER!!!11!!!

He has a “statistical model” that “predicts” the results of all the elections in the past.

Hey I have a statistical model that predicts all the winning Powerball numbers up through last night!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:42:34am

I don’t think the Mafia stuff will have legs. I have a BIL who is in the construction biz and he says that there are times when GC hires a sub with fishy connections.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:42:52am

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Also, the fact that it dovetails exactly with Republican “Dem plantation” rhetoric is one hundred percent coincidental I’m sure.

Well its actually worse in one way, since it dispenses with the deceiving “plantation overseer” and just says that black people don’t understand their own interests. The sandbaggers also said the white population of South Carolina couldn’t be expected to vote for Sen. Sanders because they’re still a bunch of bigots.

So the excuse of the more warped of Bernie Sanders’ supporters amounts to arguing that southern whites are bigots and southern blacks fools, so how could they be expected to vote for an enlightenment bringer from the North. That is northern sectionalism at its worst* and its is not the sort of talk that will win votes for Sen. Sanders’ on Super Tuesday.

*Disclaimer: Southern sectionalism is indeed more visible, influential, and dangerous in America today and I recognize that. But northern sectionalism does exist and the rhetoric of some sandbaggers displays said sectionalism, which though of lesser danger and influence, is still problematic and unhelpful.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:45:51am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

He has a “statistical model” that “predicts” the results of all the elections in the past.

Hey I have a statistical model that predicts all the winning Powerball numbers up through last night!

This one weird trick to make my peepee hard/make $/lose belly fat.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:46:06am

re: #276 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t think the Mafia stuff will have legs. I have a BIL who is in the construction biz and he says that there are times when GC hires a sub with fishy connections.

I heard an interview last year with a reporter who has long covered Trump. He claims that Trump absolutely has had dealings with shady characters to get labor on his jobs. I brought this up on another site and the New Yorkers there were like “if you build in NYC you probably have indirect dealings with organized crime.”

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:46:37am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart

I know when I fill out my 1040 form I always check the “NO” block on the question “Have you conducted any business dealing with organized crime associated businesses during the filing year?”
What a fucking moron…

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I’m not defending Trump, but find me a powerful New York businessman who HASN’T dealt with the Mafia, inadvertently or otherwise. This is stupid and Cruz is stupid and he should feel bad.

But he doesn’t, because he’s a snake.

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Dark_Falcon  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:46:49am

re: #276 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t think the Mafia stuff will have legs. I have a BIL who is in the construction biz and he says that there are times when GC hires a sub with fishy connections.

True, and remember Trump builds in New York City. It’s tough to build as much as he has in NYC for as long as he has done so and not have some subcontractors who are affiliated with La Cosa Nostra. As long as Trump can plausibly say he had no knowledge on any mob ties and that he did not knowingly interact with mafiosi, he should be in the clear.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:48:09am
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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:50:54am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

He has a “statistical model” that “predicts” the results of all the elections in the past.

Hey I have a statistical model that predicts all the winning Powerball numbers up through last night!

I am no statistician and I suck at how one would even set up a prediction model.

So, I am guessing your mocking him means he has designed a model that relies on known info that is easy to say predicted the outcomes because it is after the fact.

If that is the case…he is basically saying that if he knew the same stats today (which he cannot) he can safely make a 97% correct decision that Trump will win. Or, something.

I admit, I haz confusion.

By the way…wasn’t member Obdicut (sp?) a real statistician? Damn…I miss his input. I do hope he is okay. Last mention of him wasn’t real good.

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:51:54am

re: #254 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I remember telling anybody who would listen at the time that W would be the worst president in memory.

I wasn’t particularly hopeful about him (ok, I was downright worried), but I was completely shocked by the level of corruption, incompetence and complete media manipulation we saw from Shrub’s administration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 9:58:07am

re: #283 ObserverArt

I am no statistician and I suck at how one would even set up a prediction model.

So, I am guessing your mocking him means he has designed a model that relies on known info that is easy to say predicted the outcomes because it is after the fact.

If that is the case…he is basically saying that if he knew the same stats today (which he cannot) he can safely make a 97% correct decision that Trump will win. Or, something.

I admit, I haz confusion.

By the way…wasn’t member Obdicut (sp?) a real statistician? Damn…I miss his input. I do hope he is okay. Last mention of him wasn’t real good.

I write code that calculates statistical metrics so I can say that I’m a statistician.

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SoundGuy 2016  Feb 28, 2016 • 10:01:20am

re: #269 SoundGuy 2016

Gabbard does actually have a positive LGBT record, unlike her dad.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 10:03:04am

re: #283 ObserverArt

I am no statistician and I suck at how one would even set up a prediction model.

So, I am guessing your mocking him means he has designed a model that relies on known info that is easy to say predicted the outcomes because it is after the fact.

If that is the case…he is basically saying that if he knew the same stats today (which he cannot) he can safely make a 97% correct decision that Trump will win. Or, something.

I admit, I haz confusion.

By the way…wasn’t member Obdicut (sp?) a real statistician? Damn…I miss his input. I do hope he is okay. Last mention of him wasn’t real good.

Remember way back in math when you were given two points and told to find a line that goes through it, and then given three points and told to find a quadratic function that goes through that? He’s basically done that for however many elections he’s chosen to model. That type of curve fitting won’t help you with something like presidential elections.

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Emoprog Refugee  Feb 28, 2016 • 10:06:03am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Wow. The two videos are pretty incongruous.
“David Duke endorsed me? I didn’t even know David Duke endorsed me. I disavow, ok?”

Vs
re: #188 goddamnedfrank
“We’ll just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke; … I don’t know what you’re talking about with white supremacist groups … I don’t know, did he endorse me, or what’s going on, because you know, I know nothing about David Duke, I know nothing about white supremacists and so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about. … I have to look at the group, I don’t know what group you’re talking about [ KKK was specifically mentioned].”

When were each of those clips made? Does he have brain probs, or is this just Donald being Donald? Unless he’s senile, there’s no way he needs to research the KKK to figure out whether he needs to reject it or not, and there’s no way he knows exactly who David Duke is one day, and has no idea who he is the next.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 28, 2016 • 10:51:05am

re: #269 SoundGuy 2016

Tulsi Gabbard is cashing all her chips in.

Thanks for the info, SoundGuy 2016.

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2016 • 10:51:23am

re: #284 Emoprog Refugee

I wasn’t particularly hopeful about him (ok, I was downright worried), but I was completely shocked by the level of corruption, incompetence and complete media manipulation we saw from Shrub’s administration.

I wasn’t really. I read Molly Ivin’s book about him!

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BeachDem  Feb 28, 2016 • 11:18:14am

re: #269 SoundGuy 2016

Tulsi Gabbard is cashing all her chips in. She’s a DINO from HI that has been getting more and more Fox cred going full Benghazi. She also has ties to a Krishna cult here, her father was rabidly anti-gay rights and she’s been mute about LGBT. Plus she had a recent kerfuffle on Oahu as a prominent cult member just killed a guy in a boating accident and she may have played favoritism being involved in the case - hard to get real facts out of it so far.

Dropping DNC chair and going full on for Sanders is totally insane unless she’s making moves for post election outcomes.

She was a speaker at our state convention a few years ago, and I just had that “something is off” feeling about her. She really played up her vet status, but said some other weird things. Thanks for the additional info.


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