Sunday Acoustic Session: Aoife O’Donovan

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I’ve developed a very serious crush on Aoife O’Donovan’s incredibly beautiful crystalline voice, and here’s an excellent live performance in the Portland Press Herald studio.

Aoife O’Donovan, formerly a member of Crooked Still, performed in the Press Herald studio in support of her debut solo CD. Watch all of The Newsroom Sessions.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:13:22pm
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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:15:07pm

I think there is a good chance this is someone’s idea of “satire” but I am not at all sure:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:15:48pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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They just can’t bring themselves to admit that their party is fucked.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:16:40pm

re: #2 bratwurst

I think there is a good chance this is someone’s idea of “satire” but I am not at all sure:

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Uh huh. Interestingly, I did see a documentary about what was done to prevent slaves from escaping. Awful. Anyone who says slavery wasn’t so bad, I want to do what Lincoln said and try it on them.

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jaunte  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:17:06pm

Fossils
Aoife O’Donovan
amazon.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:17:45pm
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jaunte  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:18:51pm
#ProTip: a) Trump isn’t a Republican. b) He’s not a racist; he just plays one on teevee.

Why is this supposed to be a meaningful distinction?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:18:53pm

Scientific polling! //

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:19:06pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

WOW VERY BREAKING SUCH BERNMENTUM MUCH NECK AND NECK COVERAGE

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:19:25pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s gotta sting but I’m sure it won’t mean a damn thing. I do look at what the people who know these people best are saying. I expect Bernie to win in VT no doubt but this does mean something to me as does Bernie having little support from the Vermont Democratic Party. He does I may add have teh support of Vermont’s lone representative.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:19:35pm

Fact-checking Donald Trump’s claims about Trump University

[…]

Trump said about his entrepreneur institute that “we have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau.” Literally speaking, that is inaccurate. The Better Business Bureau gives the program no rating today because it’s no longer a going concern.

Trump University had an A at some point. The Better Business Bureau doesn’t release details of its past ratings, but it did say Trump’s program had ratings that ranged from A+ to D-.

What we do know, from several published reports, is that the university had a D from 2009 to 2011.

Trump’s claim is literally wrong and also ignores the university’s lower Better Business Bureau scores. We rate it False.

Well, so much for that “university”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:19:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:19:55pm

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

Scientific polling! //

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Online polls. Lovely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:20:34pm

To go with the subject of this page. I love the name Aoife. I love Celtic names and am strongly considering one if I ever have a daughter.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:23:00pm

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

Scientific polling! //

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My answer to that kind of thing from now on is going to be “white privilege.” I should technically write “straight, white privilege” but it’s close enough.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:23:24pm

Oh and “reasonable” Marco Rubio, his top Virginia backer, George “Macaca” Allen. Fuck it. Rubio’s just as happy with bigotry as Trump and Cruz are.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:25:17pm

Going to watch Chris Rock’s opening at the Oscars. Then switcheroo to TWD.

fyi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:25:30pm

re: #15 Belafon

My answer to that kind of thing from now on is going to be “white privilege.” I should technically write “straight, white privilege” but it’s close enough.

Yeah. That and the “Black people voting against their own interest” thing.

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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:26:06pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Oh and “reasonable” Marco Rubio, his top Virginia backer, George “Macaca” Allen. Fuck it. Rubio’s just as happy with bigotry as Trump and Cruz are.

Every last one of the GOPers is an extremist whose backers include racists, misogynists, and hate mongers. Trump’s just the most successful one this cycle.

And the GOP defense for all this support from within the GOP and in the polls/primaries? “No True Conservative” or “No True GOP” - all rather hilarious coming from the party of personal responsibility that continues to avoid any of it.

That’s the reason they’re in such trouble. Of course, the trouble they’ve created is going to screw everyone else. And Democrats are busy figuring out a way to lose this thing out of spite?

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:26:11pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Oh and “reasonable” Marco Rubio, his top Virginia backer, George “Macaca” Allen. Fuck it. Rubio’s just as happy with bigotry as Trump and Cruz are.

I saw that Rubio was in VA Beach. I suppose that explains the smell of death in the air.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:26:24pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

Going to watch Chris Rock’s opening at the Oscars. Then switcheroo to TWD.

fyi

I caught a little bit of the red carpet. Everyone thinks Leonardo will win.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:27:54pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

The Downton Abbey marathon is going to end soon and now there will More Manners of Downton Abbey. And next week the last episode of the series.

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:28:07pm

Ok you movie buffs…. here’s the trailer you’ve been waiting for….

Ultraman - Official Trailer (2016) HD

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:28:17pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

I saw that Rubio was in VA Beach. I suppose that explains the smell of death in the air.

He was in Purcellville earlier. My Dad shouted “Bernie, Bernie” at his supporters since he was in town doing some errands. I got a laugh out of that. He says they were how you’d expect them to look. Stuffy looking people.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:28:20pm
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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:29:56pm

re: #23 Reality Based Steve

I’ve been in that Starbucks, BTW.

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Lidane  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:30:10pm

re: #19 lawhawk

Every last one of the GOPers is an extremist whose backers include racists, misogynists, and hate mongers. Trump’s just the most successful one this cycle.

And the GOP defense for all this support from within the GOP and in the polls/primaries? “No True Conservative” or “No True GOP” - all rather hilarious coming from the party of personal responsibility that continues to avoid any of it.

That’s the reason they’re in such trouble. Of course, the trouble they’ve created is going to screw everyone else. And Democrats are busy figuring out a way to lose this thing out of spite?

Talked to a friend from high school yesterday. We’ve known each other forever but have always been on opposite sides politically. He’s easily one of the most conservative people I know. Right now he’s physically ill at the idea that Trump is the front runner for the nomination. He thinks Trump voters are angry and incoherent and immune to reason (they are), but he still draws the line at thinking that they’re a reflection of the GOP base.

In his mind, Trump is bringing in “independents” and Democrats and uninformed non-political types and destroying the GOP. I suspect that a lot of folks on the right feel that way. They don’t want to admit that 40+ years of conditioning by the racists, the bigots, and the religious fanatics to be distrusting of “the establishment” has created literal generations of angry morons ripe for the picking by a con artist like Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:30:45pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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So the argument I see is “He doesn’t speak for all Republicans, a majority are voting against him.” Well an even bigger majority are voting against “reasonable” people like Kasich, Carson, Cruz, and Rubio. They just can’t bring themselves to admit that Trump is a part of the GOP machine. I’m sick of right wingers denying the bigotry problem in their base by insisting it’s not real conservatism. Like hell it’s not.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:31:11pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:32:07pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

He was in Purcellville earlier. My Dad shouted “Bernie, Bernie” at his supporters since he was in town doing some errands. I got a laugh out of that. He says they were how you’d expect them to look. Stuffy looking people.

A whole bunch of old folks who think Rubio is what a young politician should look like.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:32:08pm

re: #27 Lidane

Talked to a friend from high school yesterday. We’ve known each other forever but have always been on opposite sides politically. He’s easily one of the most conservative people I know. Right now he’s physically ill at the idea that Trump is the front runner for the nomination. He thinks Trump voters are angry and incoherent and immune to reason (they are), but he still draws the line at thinking that they’re a reflection of the GOP base.

In his mind, Trump is bringing in “independents” and Democrats and uninformed non-political types and destroying the GOP. I suspect that a lot of folks on the right feel that way. They don’t want to admit that 40+ years of conditioning by the racists, the bigots, and the religious fanatics to be distrusting of “the establishment” has created literal generations of angry morons ripe for the picking by a con artist like Trump.

An acquaintance of mien was doing the same thing. I don’t want to be rude and tell him that this is a large part of his party and movement’s base and that Trump merely is speaking louder versions of what REpublican candidates have said for years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:32:43pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

A whole bunch of old folks who think Rubio is what a young politician should look like.

Yep heh.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:33:30pm

re: #27 Lidane

In his mind, Trump is bringing in “independents” and Democrats and uninformed non-political types and destroying the GOP. I suspect that a lot of folks on the right feel that way. They don’t want to admit that 40+ years of conditioning by the racists, the bigots, and the religious fanatics to be distrusting of “the establishment” has created literal generations of angry morons ripe for the picking by a con artist like Trump.

I wonder how people who think things like this square the belief with sending money for Prebius to blow. Clearly the party infrastructure must be in a complete shambles if Democrats and independents are able to so easily, so completely, so silently achieve what Limbaugh and company failed to do in 2008.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:34:32pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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As I said, it’s more conservative refusal to take personal responsibility for years of bigotry. Trump is merely a louder Reagan. Reagan race baited just like Trump does but he did it with the veneer of the shining city on the hill. There’s a reason why black people saw Reagan for the bigoted fraud he was.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:35:12pm

And frankly a lot of “independents” are right wingers too chicken shit to admit that they’re GOP through and through.

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EPR-radar  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:35:22pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

So the argument I see is “He doesn’t speak for all Republicans, a majority are voting against him.” Well an even bigger majority are voting against “reasonable” people like Kasich, Carson, Cruz, and Rubio. They just can’t bring themselves to admit that Trump is a part of the GOP machine. I’m sick of right wingers denying the bigotry problem in their base by insisting it’s not real conservatism. Like hell it’s not.

It’s only natural. Dr. Frankenstein didn’t like the monster he created either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:35:48pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

It’s only natural. Dr. Frankenstein didn’t like the monster he created either.

Yep.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:35:54pm

Aoife talks about her guitar playing and her 1934 Martin in this one…

Acoustic Guitar Sessions Presents Aoife O’Donovan

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:36:02pm
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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:36:25pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Here’s a list of open primaries:
Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Hawaii (Open primary for state, local, and congressional races; closed caucus system for presidential races.)
Illinois
Indiana
Massachusetts (All races’ primaries open for “unenrolled”/unaffiliated voters only)
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin[11]

Of those - only SC has occurred. All that nonsense about open primaries hasn’t even happened yet.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:14pm

I’m going to stake out a further bold position: if people are familiar enough with your party chairman to not need to look up how to spell his funny-sounding last name, your party is probably not very healthy.

Who’s it on the Democratic side? Is that still DWS, or is she some sort of other flunky now?

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:19pm

After Tuesday, when Trump shows how truly popular he is, I expect many more elected Republicans to start embracing Trump.

And if Trump wins Florida and Ohio two weeks later, as expected, I expect a noticeable fraction of elected Republicans to show up on your TV, rationalizing why Trump will be a good President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:28pm
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KingKenrod  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:30pm

Trump is playing the mythical benevolent dictator. Some people just want a strong man in power who will solve their problems and never mind the details.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:47pm

I’m in a foul mood this evening, so I’m just gonna leave this here. I’ll page it tomorrow. Emphasis is mine:

Zayd, a 10-year-old American-born Muslim child: “Mama,” he asked, “if Donald Trump becomes the president, what are we going to do?”

Jalali, a 36-year-old who was born in Florida, asked what her son meant. He wanted to know if they were going to have to move.

“I was like, ‘Where would we move to?’ He said, ‘I don’t know, people just keep talking about are we going to move somewhere. I don’t want to live in Pakistan.’ ” […]

Ali Zakaria, a 51-yearold lawyer who came to the U.S. at age 15: “A lot of times, I question whether the U.S. is still going to accept me as an American who happens to be a Muslim. I didn’t have that question after September 11. I have this question now,” he said. “From a psychological point of view, that’s a big change.” […]

Sameera Omar, a 22-year-old psychology graduate: “What sort of political climate will my children be raised in? What type of environment will I have to walk through 10 years or 15 years down the line?” […]

Omar, who wears the hijab, said she is newly nervous walking to her car. She said she is more concerned, though, that Trump is fostering in Muslims a paralyzing apprehension about their own identities — the kind of fear, she said, that “limits where you see yourself in this country, limits the possibility of your achievements as a citizen, makes you doubt who you are as a person of faith.”

“It would be horrifying,” she said, “if this period of time was the catalyst for generations and generations of people who are not confident in their own skin.” […]

thestar.com

Congratulations to Donald Trump and the bigoted American assholes who are supporting him. They’re directly responsible for causing fear & uncertainty in the hearts and minds of millions of American Muslims. Innocent American Muslim men, women and children. “Make America great again?” Really, this is how you do it?

Reminder: This is not simply some political talking point or abstract concept to be to debated in an intellectual capacity, it’s something directly affecting real people every day in a very real way. It’s also potentially breeding a new class of disaffected youth who may very well end up feeling little loyalty to a country that is rejecting them on the most basic level through no fault of their own. It doesn’t bode well for our republic.

Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:37:53pm

re: #39 Kragar

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Reagan Democrats these days are just people who are still registered Democratic but have been voting Republican since the Reagan years.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:38:54pm

This is the woman that the Sandbaggers are trying to portray as a major get today:

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Great White Snark  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:38:55pm

Did you guys see the turnout numbers? Yikes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:39:06pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Here’s a list of open primaries:
Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Hawaii (Open primary for state, local, and congressional races; closed caucus system for presidential races.)
Illinois
Indiana
Massachusetts (All races’ primaries open for “unenrolled”/unaffiliated voters only)
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin[11]

Of those - only SC has occurred. All that nonsense about open primaries hasn’t even happened yet.

Michigan

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:39:07pm

re: #44 KingKenrod

Trump is playing the mythical benevolent dictator. Some people just want a strong man in power who will solve their problems and never mind the details.

Can you be a malignant narcissist and a benevolent dictator?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:39:11pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

I’m in a foul mood this evening, so I’m just gonna leave this here. I’ll page it tomorrow. Emphasis is mine:

Congratulations to Donald Trump and the bigoted American assholes who are supporting him. They’re directly responsible for causing fear & uncertainty in the hearts and minds of millions of American Muslims. Innocent American Muslim men, women and children. “Make America great again?” Really, this is how you do it?

Reminder: This is not simply some political talking point or abstract concept to be to debated in an intellectual capacity, it’s something directly affecting real people every day in a very real way. It’s also potentially breeding a new class of disaffected youth who may very well end up feeling little loyalty to a country that is rejecting them on the most basic level through no fault of their own. It doesn’t bode well for our republic.

Later, lizards.

I feel so badly for these people. Fuck Trump and fuck the GOP for the atmosphere they’ve created where Anti-Muslim bigotry is socially and politically acceptable to them.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:40:18pm

Every day the Republican party cracks and splits a little more. The heat builds, people sweat a little more and grow more uncomfortable with others that were once all on the same page.

Trump sure is doing one thing, he is proving there is climate change in the Republican party. They might not have expected it but there it is. Deniers denying…others warning of the problems it will bring on down the road.

It will be interesting to see what may be left of the conservative environment after this meltdown.

This is Yooouuuuuuuge!

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:40:49pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

Innocent American Muslim

This is, most unfortunately, a contradiction in terms for 27% of this country.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:41:15pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Split personality.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:10pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

To go with the subject of this page. I love the name Aoife. I love Celtic names and am strongly considering one if I ever have a daughter.

My grandfather gave me a Celtic name—Omadaun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:26pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:40pm

re: #48 Great White Snark

Did you guys see the turnout numbers? Yikes.

As I said downstairs, big meh right now. People want to vote in elections that matter. Both Dem primaries so far this year have been obviously uncompetitive from the get-go, caucus numbers are tiny noise, and 2008 was the most competitive primary contest of my lifetime and probably yours.

We might know a lot more in a few days.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:42:53pm

How do you pronounce Saoirse? (let alone spell it)

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:43:59pm

re: #48 Great White Snark

Did you guys see the turnout numbers? Yikes.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:44:14pm
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lawhawk  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s James Franco’s dream.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

I wonder how soon it will be before decent men and women have to walk as armed escorts for the rest of the Children of the Book? Because they won’t stop with Muslims. Jews and “incorrect’ Christians will follow soon enough. It’s bad enough that we have to do it for health care, but just to live in peace? These fucks are so god damned evil. God. Damned. Evil.

Literally.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:44:29pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Here’s a list of open primaries:

Of those - only SC has occurred. All that nonsense about open primaries hasn’t even happened yet.

As a Semi-Closed Primary didn’t New Hampshire allow walk-up registration, which basically allowed Independents (or party members) to treat it as an open Primary?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:44:32pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

How do you pronounce Saorise?

Sear-sha.
Beautiful name too.

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Brian J.  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:45:46pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Of those - only SC has occurred. All that nonsense about open primaries hasn’t even happened yet.

New Hampshire was effectively open; you could ask for either party’s ballot and your registration would be changed to match it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:45:49pm

re: #60 Kragar

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I remember Cruz saying that’s he’d get cross over votes from Democrats. The youngest Reagan Democrat will be 50 this year. Honestly a lot of the Reagan Democrats were Nixon Democrats first and a lot of them have either passed away or permanently become of the GOP’s base in the years since.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:46:45pm

re: #57 Testy Toad T

As I said downstairs, big meh right now. People want to vote in elections that matter. Both Dem primaries so far this year have been obviously uncompetitive from the get-go, caucus numbers are tiny noise, and 2008 was the most competitive primary contest of my lifetime and probably yours.

We might know a lot more in a few days.

Yeah comparing this year’s turnout to 2008 really isn’t entirely fair IMO. 2008 was probably one of the most competitive races you’ll ever see.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:46:58pm

re: #62 William Lewis

I wonder how soon it will be before decent men and women have to walk as armed escorts for the rest of the Children of the Book? Because they won’t stop with Muslims. Jews and “incorrect’ Christians will follow soon enough. It’s bad enough that we have to do it for health care, but just to live in peace? These fucks are so god damned evil. God. Damned. Evil.

Literally.

If you can imagine that, you know why I wish progressives would STFU about guns.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:47:40pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

If you can imagine that, you know why I wish progressives would STFU about guns.

Been there a very long time. We have real Nazi’s not too far from here.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:47:42pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:47:42pm
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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:08pm

This is the typical Trump supporter:

Michael Fouche Have Obama and Hillary disavowed the Black Panthers? Have Obama and Hillary disavowed Louis Farrakhan? If not then Trump has no reason to disavow David Duke.

The interesting difference is that David Duke doesn’t advocate violence - just separation of the White race from other races. Whereas both the aforementioned groups very much advocate violence.

The Political Correctness is killing us. TRUMP 2016!!!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:15pm

Many people consider the primaries to be “fake” elections. I would say most of my fellow Lizards know better. All elections are important.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:34pm

re: #72 freetoken

This is the typical Trump supporter:

Please proceed.

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:36pm

The Jeb! post-mortem canon has a significant new entry:

Jeb Bush’s ambitions paid dividends for GOP admaker over the years

Mike Murphy is being painted as a villain. Maybe he is, but I have always found him to consistently be among the most likable GOP pundits on television. Ok, not a lot of competition there…but it is certainly not his fault that Jeb came off so milquetoast in the first 8 debates. The real question is who decided the smartest guy in the campaign should head the SuperPAC which limits (somewhat) opportunities to coordinate activities.

At any rate, I am sure this story AND the story of Carson’s campaign are both page turning books probably being written at this very moment.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:48:55pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I remember Cruz saying that’s he’d get cross over votes from Democrats. The youngest Reagan Democrat will be 50 this year. Honestly a lot of the Reagan Democrats were Nixon Democrats first and a lot of them have either passed away or permanently become of the GOP’s base in the years since.

I’m also pretty sure that “Reagan Democrats” under 30 years old in 1984 were vanishingly few. Mostly it referred to middle aged, working class guys AT THE TIME. They went on to become Reagan Republicans, the Bush Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:49:13pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

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Yeah 2008 really isn’t the best election to compare it too. It’s to use a sports analogy comparing every season to your best season. Turnout is down don’t get me wrong but it’s more of a first place team going to a second place year rather than going to third or fourth place.

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Brian J.  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:50:08pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Yeah comparing this year’s turnout to 2008 really isn’t entirely fair IMO. 2008 was probably one of the most competitive races you’ll ever see.

And the general election was still highly competitive until September 15th, when Lehman Brothers (aka The Bank of Evil) failed and triggered the acute phase of the Global Financial Crisis.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:50:31pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m also pretty sure that “Reagan Democrats” under 30 years old in 1984 were vanishingly few. Mostly it referred to middle aged, working class guys AT THE TIME. They went on to become Reagan Republicans, the Bush Republicans.

Then most of them went on to become compost, like their namesake.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:50:50pm

re: #72 freetoken

This is the typical Trump supporter:

I’d like to see the numbers of white people killed by the NOI versus the number the KKK has killed. So yeah wingnut political correctness is killing us, it’s yours and your false equivalency. Farrakan is an asshole but he’s nowehre near the monstrity that Duke and the Klan are and besides both Clinton and Obama condemn all racism. Can’t say the same about Oompa Loompa Trump.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:51:40pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Then most of them went on to become compost, like their namesake.

Better pray they aren’t as good at being zombies as RayGun is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:52:40pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m also pretty sure that “Reagan Democrats” under 30 years old in 1984 were vanishingly few. Mostly it referred to middle aged, working class guys AT THE TIME. They went on to become Reagan Republicans, the Bush Republicans.

Yeah Reagan Democrats have become Republicans. But again it’s their Reagan worshpi. Why if the Gipper did it, so can I! It speaks to their total lack of original ideas. Besides, what are these people going to bring in Democrats with anyway?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:52:52pm

Democrats need to worry about turnout this year. They need to worry about turnout every year. [clears throat] Let me try that again.

DEMOCRATS NEED TO WORRY ABOUT TURNOUT THIS AND EVERY YEAR

but I’m thoroughly unconvinced that there’s some kind of cosmic Clinton-y nebulous lack of enthusiasm that portends doom in November. Hell, if there’s some sort of Clinton-y nebulous lack of enthusiasm now, where was it in the heady days of 2008? Age aside (and Sanders is a lot older), she’s only a stronger candidate now.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:54:17pm

re: #73 PhillyPretzel

Many people consider the primaries to be “fake” elections. I would say most of my fellow Lizards know better. All elections are important.

I was going to comment earlier to some of the folks worried about Democratic primary turnouts.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t think Democrats have ever been strong in turning out primary voters. For many years I have voted in Columbus wards that are heavily African American and younger arty type people, gays etc. And there have been times I could walk into the polling place and be either the only one or one of a few.

It is never like that in the actual Presidential election. Totally different turnout.

I can’t explain it, but it sure has felt that way to me. And, I think it is worse when there is an appearance of a clear winner.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:54:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:56:02pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

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NeverTrump will be NeverHillary in a few months. They may be honest about their hate of him but they will always hate the Clintons and Democrats more. It’s why they all took pledges to support him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:56:59pm
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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:57:21pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

If you can imagine that, you know why I wish progressives would STFU about guns.

OK, maybe I’m tired, but I’m not following the logic.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:57:21pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

NeverTrump will be NeverHillary in a few months. They may be honest about their hate of him but they will always hate the Clintons and Democrats more. It’s why they all took pledges to support him.

And it’s why Rinsed, as much as it looks like he’s choking back bile every time he says it, really will abide by the primary results and support the nominee to the bitter end.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:58:08pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:59:04pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m also pretty sure that “Reagan Democrats” under 30 years old in 1984 were vanishingly few. Mostly it referred to middle aged, working class guys AT THE TIME. They went on to become Reagan Republicans, the Bush Republicans.

Gosh, I’m thinking back to that election. I had just turned thirty, had just been laid off from a dead end job/factory closure, my dad’s job had been wrecked by the oil crisis, and I found Reagan to be disgusting and scary. The week that Reagan was re-elected was also the week that I quit drinking (although that was more related to the job loss than Reagan).

I’d agree that most of the Reagan Dems went on to vote for Bush twice. They’re not so old that they’re all dying off though. Most of them are in their 60’s and 70’s. That’s still fairly alive in my book.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 5:59:15pm

re: #89 Belafon

OK, maybe I’m tired, but I’m not following the logic.

That it hurts us at the polls I guess. Shrug, I understand that point but i’m tired of gun violence so i don’t think progressives should shut up on it. In fact, I’d like to expose the NRA’s bigotry to the public and how they use racism to stir up fear in their membership.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:00:05pm

re: #72 freetoken

This is the typical Trump supporter:

Idiotic as simpleminded demands for “disavowals” are, I wonder if anyone has simply asked Pres. Obama or Secy Clinton what they feel. Regardless of their answers, though, I’m positive it wouldn’t be along the lines of ” Louis WHO??”

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:00:42pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know what these people should argue: Look at what unions are able to do. A big part of the reason the salaries are where they are is the actors, writers, camera people, etc., are part of a union that stands together.

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:01:28pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I remember Cruz saying that’s he’d get cross over votes from Democrats. The youngest Reagan Democrat will be 50 this year. Honestly a lot of the Reagan Democrats were Nixon Democrats first and a lot of them have either passed away or permanently become of the GOP’s base in the years since.

I am related to someone just left of center who voted to re-elect Reagan in 1984.

The GOP could have EASILY had his vote in almost every presidential election since, but they always found a way to drive him and his ilk away: from Quayle to W. to Palin. He was DESPERATE to vote against Obama 4 years ago and had no issue with Mitt…until an Ayn Rand loving ideologue was added to the ticket.

While he does not fit the typical profile of a so-called “Reagan Democrat”, here you have an example of someone who crossed party lines to vote for Reagan and did NOT stay around.

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:01:32pm

re: #89 Belafon

OK, maybe I’m tired, but I’m not following the logic.

I’m thinking I remember Deb saying in a big election against the Republicans you do not want to mention too much about guns because all it does is lose you votes. Better to wait when you have the power and might be able to do something about them/it.

As we have seen, if all of American can’t bring change after little kids are gunned down in a school, it isn’t going to make a ‘winning’ platform.

That’s my take.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:01:35pm
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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:02:02pm

The thing with all these people spouting the No True Republican fallacy is that many of them probably really believe that.

That is, they really believe the fallacy.

Truly fallacious thought processing.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:02:28pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:02:52pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Very pretty kitty.

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worldknot  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:03:23pm

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:04:16pm

re: #96 bratwurst

I am related to someone just left of center who voted to re-elect Reagan in 1984.

The GOP could have EASILY had his vote in almost every presidential election since, but they always found a way to drive him and his ilk away: from Quayle to W. to Palin. He was DESPERATE to vote against Obama 4 years ago and had no issue with Mitt…until an Ayn Rand loving ideologue was added to the ticket.

While he does not fit the typical profile of a so-called “Reagan Democrat”, here you have an example of someone who crossed party lines to vote for Reagan and did NOT stay around.

Sure true enough.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:04:38pm
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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:04:50pm

re: #102 worldknot

People need their fantasies?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:14pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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Because they’re masochists?

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:27pm

re: #101 PhillyPretzel

Very pretty kitty.

Looks like a Russian Blue, the best cat ever invented.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:37pm

re: #102 worldknot

They are re-writing history.

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b.d.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:45pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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How sad. I guess they just going to ignore Tuesday too?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:05:51pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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Yeah that’s why Jeff Sessions endorsed him. God conservatives and their denial of the racism that dominates their ideology is a wonder to watch.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:06:38pm

re: #109 b.d.

How sad. I guess they just going to ignore Tuesday too?

They’ll it ignore as Southern states. Bernie already shrugged off SC as the “deep south.” Really you lose every single county and that’s your response?

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ObserverArt  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:07:33pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

John Fenton ‎@jhfenton

@Green_Footballs Nice try. Conservatives are flipping out that there’s a racist liberal in their midst trying to hijack the GOP. #NeverTrump

And with that bit of tortured logic I am checking out. That one was the tipping point for today’s tolerance for political stupidity.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:08:10pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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Any source given for these poll numbers? Or have they been derived by blowing unicorn farts over a tray of pixie dust, and counting the sparkles?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:08:14pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:09:01pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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So I count two red states, one of them arguably “Deep South,” and all of these no doubt taken days to weeks before SC, if not NV.

Seems the same sort of wishful thinking that they told themselves after NV: “Yeah, the polls say she’ll run away with SC, but they said the same thing in ‘08 and Obama won!”

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:09:12pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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I would say the answer to those is “we’ll see.” I would offer them one challenge: If the races don’t turn out that way, do not blame it on some super secret conspiracy. The corporatocracy did not vote for her, people did.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:10:05pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

They’ll it ignore as Southern states. Bernie already shrugged off SC as the “deep south.” Really you lose every single county and that’s your response?

Those states are just going to go red in November, why should they have any say in the Dem nomination at all?

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:10:11pm

re: #96 bratwurst

I am related to someone just left of center who voted to re-elect Reagan in 1984.

I did that.

My first presidential vote too.

Mr. Socialist. Stationed in an armored division in Germany expecting him to start WWIII.

But I despised Mondale for his work in destroying NASA and especially the Apollo program in the early 70’s. I never forgave him for that and, honestly, I still feel no regret for voting for Reagan in ‘84 because of his betrayal of the future of our species. To me, he had actively done worse by those votes than anything Reagan threatened to do.

You may or may not agree, but that’s what I believed then and now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:10:25pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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Yeah because Republicans never disdain the first amendment never nor do they support PP. God they’re in denial. I prefer the wingnuts who are honest about the fact they’re right wing and proud to support the bigot rather than the bigots in denial who cry about their precious ltitle conservatism being hijacked. No, conservatism hasn’t been hijacked, people are seeing what a disgusting ideology it really is and that pisses off the types that have worked for years to try to present conservatism as if it were some kind of respectable ideology and not the pile of dog shit it is.

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b.d.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:10:58pm

re: #113 Jay C

Any source given for these poll numbers? Or have they been derived by blowing unicorn farts over a tray of pixie dust, and counting the sparkles?

The latest MA poll has HRC leading Bernie 50-42 and she’ll have momentum after Tuesday.

usatoday.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:11:32pm
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b.d.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:12:48pm

re: #120 b.d.

The latest MA poll has HRC leading Bernie 50-42 and she’ll have momentum after Tuesday.

usatoday.com

EDIT: Massachusetts primary is on Tuesday.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:12:50pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:13:32pm

re: #122 b.d.

EDIT: Massachusetts primary is on Tuesday.

She won it in 2008 too FWIW.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:13:57pm
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Brian J.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

So I count two red states, one of them arguably “Deep South,” and all of these no doubt taken days to weeks before SC, if not NV.

Seems the same sort of wishful thinking that they told themselves after NV: “Yeah, the polls say she’ll run away with SC, but they said the same thing in ‘08 and Obama won!”

The Colorado poll comes from the same GOP pollster who showed a Nevada tie (and remember, told Romney he was winning right up to Election Day). The Ohio poll is also from Republicans and contradicts all other polls out (Quinnipiac shows a 15-point Clinton lead). Clinton is gaining fast in Massachusetts (8-point lead in the Suffolk poll out today). I know nothing about the Maine poll, and Vermont is obviously Bernie defending his house (as Maine is, and which Massachusetts should be but isn’t).

Alaska doesn’t vote until March 26, and West Virginia until May 10. I doubt Sanders will be viable by even the Alaska caucuses.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:14:55pm

re: #89 Belafon

OK, maybe I’m tired, but I’m not following the logic.

Look at Lewis’ nightmare scenario. Then imagine it after badly-crafted gun control is applied locally to selectively disarm minorities. Felony disqualification is one of the feedback loops of the school-to-prison pipeline.

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Jay C  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:15:59pm

re: #120 b.d.

The latest MA poll has HRC leading Bernie 50-42 and she’ll have momentum after Tuesday.

usatoday.com

The Massachusetts number in that post seems to be the only even-vaguely-believable one; and even it should probably be reversed. And 86% for Bernie in his home state? The actual numbers on that one will probably be an embarrassment as well….

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:16:41pm

re: #126 Brian J.

Alaska doesn’t vote until March 26, and West Virginia until May 10. I doubt Sanders will be viable by even the Alaska caucuses.

I wouldn’t laugh you out of the comment section if you said Sanders wasn’t viable now.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:18:08pm

re: #107 stpaulbear

Could also be a Chartreux….

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:18:29pm

re: #129 Testy Toad T

I wouldn’t laugh you out of the comment section if you said Sanders wasn’t viable now.

All I know by this point is that, if Hillary had lost SC by even half of what Bernie just did, there would be open talk about doing everything short of suing her to get her to pack it in “for the good of the party.”

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Brian J.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:18:46pm

re: #129 Testy Toad T

I wouldn’t laugh you out of the comment section if you said Sanders wasn’t viable now.

By viable, I mean “hasn’t suspended his campaign.” He’ll almost certainly be out of cash even with a major reduction in expenses, and will be facing a tremendous delegate shortfall. Including superdelegates, Hillary will likely be ahead by more than 1,000 delegates after March 15, although she won’t have mathematically clinched it.

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b.d.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:19:10pm

re: #129 Testy Toad T

I wouldn’t laugh you out of the comment section if you said Sanders wasn’t viable now.

Alaska and West Virginia, now Bernie fans think that winning a red state matters.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:19:16pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Felony disqualification is one of the feedback loops of the school-to-prison pipeline.

That is no accident. And, yeah, that is why it needs to be stopped. There really are some who should never own firearms but that’s not the way to handle them.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:20:08pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

All I know by this point is that, if Hillary had lost SC by even half of what Bernie just did, there would be open talk about doing everything short of suing her to get her to pack it in “for the good of the party.”

Quasi-conspiracy thinking: I believe party actors recognize that some (but not a lot) of horse-race chatter is good just to keep Clinton 1) on her game and 2) getting some free advertising news coverage.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:20:16pm

There’s an interesting chart in this diary, dailykos.com, showing a delegate model by David Wasserman (I don’t know much about him, but his model is located on Cook Political). The model seems to be showing where delegates would be found for each candidate if the race ended up being tied between them at the end. So, any deviation from that towards one candidate would tend to show a lean in that direction. His model includes the superdelegates in each state, so the diary writer has another chart with those stripped out. Clinton is ahead of the model at this point by 25 15 delegates.

Now, it is one model, and others could probably play with the values, but, as we saw, South Carolina did skew in her favor far more than everyone was predicting.

I hope the diarist keeps up with the table.

Edit: The modified lead is 15 delegates.

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Brian J.  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:22:02pm

I hadn’t realized how mean Maine has been to the Clintons in caucuses until I looked it up just now. Not only did Obama easily defeat Hillary in 2008 (59-40%), but Jerry Brown (!) defeated Bill there in 1992.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:22:02pm

re: #135 Testy Toad T

Quasi-conspiracy thinking: I believe party actors recognize that some (but not a lot) of horse-race chatter is good just to keep Clinton 1) on her game and 2) getting some free advertising news coverage.

I’m rather in agreement with Charles Pierce, who says that the party would be well-served by having Bernie stick round until the convention, so as to keep Hillary honest in her positions. But, after last night’s speech, I also believe she may realize she’s only going to win if she keeps herself as the anti-Trump. And that means sticking with the positions she has now, rather than trying to “moderate.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:22:34pm

re: #137 Brian J.

I hadn’t realized how mean Maine has been to the Clintons in caucuses until I looked it up just now. Not only did Obama easily defeat Hillary in 2008 (59-40%), but Jerry Brown (!) defeated Bill there in 1992.

Jerry Brown was pretty viable in 1992.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:24:14pm

Bernie really did lose me when he basically flat out said he did not care about campaigning for down ticket candidates. I think Clinton and this is ironic given what she’s often accused of sees that that the elections are about more than just her.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:25:30pm

re: #102 worldknot

This is making the rounds among my Bernie friends. Why are they doing this to themselves?

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There are 32 other Democratic Primaries/Caucuses between now and West Virginia on May 10th…
They listed 7…

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:27:16pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Jerry Brown was pretty viable in 1992.

Of course, that was the whole point of “California Uber Alles” in the olden days…

I am Governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles and never frowns
Soon I will be President

Carter power will soon go away
I will be fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school

California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Zen fascists will control you 100% natural
You will jog for the master race
And always wear the happy face
Close your eyes, can’t happen here

Big Bro’ on the white horse is near
The hippies won’t come back, you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay

California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Now it is 1984
Knock, knock at your front door
It’s the suede-denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece

Come quietly to the camp
You’d look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don’t you worry, it’s only a shower
For your clothes, here’s a pretty flower

Die on organic poison gas
Serpent’s egg’s already hatched
You will croak, you little clown
When you mess with President Brown
When you mess with President Brown

California Uber Alles
California Uber Alles
Uber Alles California
Uber Alles California

Then again, along came Ronnie M*****F*****G RayGun and “We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:28:37pm

re: #142 William Lewis

Of course, that was the whole point of “California Uber Alles” in the olden days…

Then again, along came Ronnie M*****F*****G RayGun and “We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”…

His comeback has been interesting to say the least.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:30:18pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Bernie really did lose me when he basically flat out said he did not care about campaigning for down ticket candidates.

It rendered him a fundamentally unserious general election candidate, and anybody who says otherwise is either fooling themselves or has no idea how government actually fucking works.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:31:52pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

His comeback has been interesting to say the least.

I actually like him in his latter day incarnation. But then I remember this photo from the old days when Linda Ronstadt wore (only) a football jersey while singing at a campaign event. As she danced around it was pretty obvious how little she was wearing < whistles innocently > so I may have a slight bias in his favor if he was able to get that for himself… O_o

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:31:57pm

re: #144 Testy Toad T

It rendered him a fundamentally unserious general election candidate, and anybody who says otherwise is either fooling themselves or has no idea how government actually fucking works.

I very much agree. And it’s why the analogy to Obama-08 fails big time. Honestly, this one actually amuses me since I’m told Bernie’s starting a revolution. Well how he’s going to have a revolution if he does little to get in people in behind him? I’ve never gotten a direct answer on that front.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:33:11pm

re: #145 William Lewis

I actually like him in his latter day incarnation. But then I remember this photo from the old days when Linda Ronstadt wore (only) a football jersey while singing at a campaign event. As she danced around it was pretty obvious how little she was wearing < whistles innocently > so I may have a slight bias in his favor if he was able to get that for himself… O_o

A-ha. Yeah I remember now, he had a lot of famous girlfriends back in the day didn’t he? I honestly have no idea who I would have supported in ‘92. I always did like Harkin but I don’t know if he would have made a good GE candidate.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:35:39pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

I very much agree. And it’s why the analogy to Obama-08 fails big time. Honestly, this one actually amuses me since I’m told Bernie’s starting a revolution. Well how he’s going to have a revolution if he does little to get in people in behind him? I’ve never gotten a direct answer on that front.

Nah, he’s not a revolutionary. Never has been and get him away from the reporters who want stupid shit for the airwaves, he’ll agree. Obama 08 is probably as close as we have ever gotten in this history.

I can remember him in Chicago, tears running down his smiling face. That dichotomy remains the best expression of Obama’s legacy…

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Reality Based Steve  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:36:03pm

I’m going to go do meat-world stuff for a while and then go to bed. Have a good evening, and remember that Trump is the symptom, not the cause of the problem. Like leprous running sores on the face of the GOP, Trump’s candidacy alerts the American public to the sickness contained within.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:38:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:38:39pm

re: #148 William Lewis

Nah, he’s not a revolutionary. Never has been and get him away from the reporters who want stupid shit for the airwaves, he’ll agree. Obama 08 is probably as close as we have ever gotten in this history.

I can remember him in Chicago, tears running down his smiling face. That dichotomy remains the best expression of Obama’s legacy…

I think he gets that but I don’t know if the diehards who feel Bernie or bust get that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:39:26pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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Lots of denial there.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:39:54pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Somehow, Democrats are showing up in numbers around other non-Obama years, and voting in Republican contests to give Trump the wins.

We are awesome!

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:41:13pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

I think he gets that but I don’t know if the diehards who feel Bernie or bust get that.

That’s the biggest problem the Democrats have this year. I just want to slap the young edjits.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:41:56pm

re: #154 William Lewis

That’s the biggest problem the Democrats have this year. I just want to slap the young edjits.

They mean well but man it’s frustrating.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:42:21pm

I’m going to come out and say this: A woman as president is going to be YUUUUUUUUUUUGE and revolutionary. It will be a messy revolution, and white males are going to lose their shit even more, but I’m going to enjoy watching it occur.

Edit: Messy, not message.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:43:14pm

re: #153 Belafon

Somehow, Democrats are showing up in numbers around other non-Obama years, and voting in Republican contests to give Trump the wins.

We are awesome!

We also blackmail conservatives like Palin, Hunter, Christie (tho I’m sure captain stupid there thinks he’s a liberal), and Sessions into endorsing him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:43:18pm

In 2008 I cast my primary vote for…

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How times have changed! :)

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:43:55pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

They mean well but man it’s frustrating.

Yep. I’ve been pushing Bernie here since “before it was cool” but, god damn it, the idiots make it fucking hard to not just break down laughing at their stupidity.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:44:03pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

In 2008 I cast my primary vote for…

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How times have changed! :)

So you were the one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:44:07pm

re: #156 Belafon

I’m going to come out and say this: A woman as president is going to be YUUUUUUUUUUUGE and revolutionary. It will be a messy revolution, and white males are going to lose their shit even more, but I’m going to enjoy watching it occur.

Edit: Messy, not message.

First black president to first woman. Good times.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:44:49pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

In 2008 I cast my primary vote for…

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How times have changed! :)

Could be worse. At least he wasn’t a socon wacko.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:45:05pm

re: #156 Belafon

I’m going to come out and say this: A woman as president is going to be YUUUUUUUUUUUGE and revolutionary. It will be a message revolution, and white males are going to lose their shit even more, but I’m going to enjoy watching it occur.

I’m excited and, frankly, kind of a little bit proud. I’ve been an ever-so-tiny bit of the black president thing and hopefully the woman president thing.

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mmmirele  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:45:14pm

I picked up my mail-in ballot for the Democratic primary on March 22 today. I’m sitting here thinking I should have reregistered as a Republican so I could vote for someone Not Trump. But then my home voicemail would have been stuffed full of robocalls for downballot GOP candidates until November. No. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:46:51pm

re: #159 William Lewis

Yep. I’ve been pushing Bernie here since “before it was cool” but, god damn it, the idiots make it fucking hard to not just break down laughing at their stupidity.

I mean it’s hard. I’m that demographic likes Bernie a lot but I really get frustrated with the nonsense. I’m fine with people voting to their heart’s content but they need to get people who support Clinton aren’t sellouts.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:47:54pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

In 2008 I cast my primary vote for…

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How times have changed! :)

You’re the one!!

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bratwurst  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:48:16pm

This guy:

I hate Trump, but knowing this fuckwit is pretty much never going to be heard from again EVER starting in a few weeks is a beautiful thing.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:48:21pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Son of a …

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Testy Toad T  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:49:07pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I’m fine with people voting to their heart’s content but they need to get people who support Clinton aren’t sellouts.

Almost to a person, I have not heard a single Sanders supporter say “okay, that’s fair” or “I don’t weight that as much as you but you’re right” about a reason I am skeptical of Sanders or a reason I support Clinton.

Small sample size and all that, but it’s super frustrating.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:49:28pm

re: #163 Testy Toad T

I’m excited and, frankly, kind of a little bit proud. I’ve been an ever-so-tiny bit of the black president thing and hopefully the woman president thing.

I liked seeing that 106 year old lady vote for Clinton. There’s something inspiring about that knowing she lived in a time before women could vote. A lot of younger people especially don’t appreciate how much has been fought for since 1787.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:49:38pm

I do wonder if there would be a good way to put a Democratic ad that says “In 2008, we had a contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, a historic contest that went to the wire, and the country elected the first black president in 2008. In 2016, the Democrats are choosing between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, making the choice between a woman and a Jew. We welcome you to the party where all views are welcome.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:50:38pm

re: #167 bratwurst

This guy:

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I hate Trump, but knowing this fuckwit is pretty much never going to be heard from again EVER starting in a few weeks is a beautiful thing.

Rubio will call Trump’s mother a slut in 3…2…1. Seriously fuck Trump too but fuck Marco too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:51:11pm

re: #171 Belafon

I do wonder if there would be a good way to put a Democratic ad that says “In 2008, we had a contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, a historic contest that went to the wire, and the country elected the first black president in 2008. In 2016, the Democrats are choosing between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, making the choice between a woman and a Jew. We welcome you to the party where all views are welcome.”

I like that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:53:53pm

re: #169 Testy Toad T

Almost to a person, I have not heard a single Sanders supporter say “okay, that’s fair” or “I don’t weight that as much as you but you’re right” about a reason I am skeptical of Sanders or a reason I support Clinton.

Small sample size and all that, but it’s super frustrating.

No doubt. My brother is just adamant about his dislike of HRC. I tried telling him that she’s been vocal about police misconduct, a big issue to him since he’s witnessed it. He’s a great guy but sometimes very idealistic. I’m glad he’s not rw in any case. Ditto my other Sanders supporting brother.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:55:01pm

FWIW I think many will come around if they see Trump’s name starring at them.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:57:47pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

How do you pronounce Saoirse? (let alone spell it)

Sir-say (sur-say).

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:57:56pm

Hillary is more racist that Trump y’all!

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withak  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:58:27pm

re: #169 Testy Toad T

Almost to a person, I have not heard a single Sanders supporter say “okay, that’s fair” or “I don’t weight that as much as you but you’re right” about a reason I am skeptical of Sanders or a reason I support Clinton.

Small sample size and all that, but it’s super frustrating.

My brother’s a Bernie guy, and while we talk about politics plenty, our conversations tend towards the other side of the aisle, and how crazy Trump & Co. have gotten over the last year. He’s had some slightly negative things to say about Clinton (mostly to do with what he sees as shady campaigning) and I’ve just had to ignore it, because I can see him having the same reaction you describe here. It’ll be interesting to see how he reacts after Tuesday if things go as I expect that they will…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 6:59:05pm

re: #176 MsJ

Sir-say (sur-say).

Circe?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:00:39pm

re: #171 Belafon

I do wonder if there would be a good way to put a Democratic ad that says “In 2008, we had a contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, a historic contest that went to the wire, and the country elected the first black president in 2008. In 2016, the Democrats are choosing between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, making the choice between a woman and a Jew. We welcome you to the party where all views are welcome.”

Ironically, Republican bigots will do a great job of pointing out how Democrats are the party of “special interests” since they deride diversity. I’m sure Secretary Clinton’s sex will be derided as much as President Obama’s race during the general.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:02:58pm

re: #178 withak

My brother’s a Bernie guy, and while we talk about politics plenty, our conversations tend towards the other side of the aisle, and how crazy Trump & Co. have gotten over the last year. He’s had some slightly negative things to say about Clinton (mostly to do with what he sees as shady campaigning) and I’ve just had to ignore it, because I can see him having the same reaction you describe here. It’ll be interesting to see how he reacts after Tuesday if things go as I expect that they will…

My brothers are both relatively new to politics and my one brother admits he could read more. Hard for him since he’s juggling fatherhood, being a husband, and getting his degree. I admire his passion though. He really does a lot to advocate for indigenous people and he’s grown a lot from the kid who used to annoy the crap outta me into a fine man.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:03:42pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Hillary is more racist that Trump y’all!

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That’s precious right there.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:04:08pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Hillary is more racist that Trump y’all!

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Sure. Hillary’s “racism” is why the Mothers of Trayvon Martin and other unjustifiably killed Black men are supporting and campaigning with her.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:04:51pm
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jaunte  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:05:22pm
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withak  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:05:26pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

Sure. Hillary’s “racism” is why the Mothers of Trayvon Martin and other unjustifiably killed Black men are supporting and campaigning with her.

She just promised the entire state of SC free stuff!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:06:34pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

Circe?

Close. Check this out from Saiorse Ronan.
ew.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:06:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:07:26pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:07:30pm

Great. I haven’t logged into Facebook for three weeks until this evening and I found out my very conservative, gun loving, sister has set up a Facebook account. I friended her this evening but I don’t want to go visit her page. If she looked at mine, it probably left her fuming. I’m afraid she’s going to be a steady stream of reasons why Hillary should be in prison.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:07:31pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:08:47pm

In the end I’d rather have Sanders fanatics for siblings than Trump ones. Our parents raised us right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:09:52pm

re: #190 stpaulbear

Great. I haven’t logged into Facebook for three weeks until this evening and I found out my very conservative, gun loving, sister has set up a Facebook account. I friended her this evening but I don’t want to go visit her page. If she looked at mine, it probably left her fuming. I’m afraid she’s going to be a steady stream of reasons why Hillary should be in prison.

You can set it up so you don’t see her posts in your TL. I did it to my Islamaphobe cousin.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:10:26pm
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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:10:28pm

My youngest kid, who just turned eleven, hasn’t been losing teeth as quickly as my other two did. But he did try to catch up today. He lost two teeth, one this morning, and one just a few minutes ago. And we’re talking they just fell out. We didn’t have to do anything.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:12:07pm

re: #195 Belafon

My youngest kid, who just turned eleven, hasn’t been losing teeth as quickly as my other two did. But he did try to catch up today. He lost two teeth, one this morning, and one just a few minutes ago. And we’re talking they just fell out. We didn’t have to do anything.

I had that happen one day when I was his age. Two teeth in one day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:12:23pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

Sure. Hillary’s “racism” is why the Mothers of Trayvon Martin and other unjustifiably killed Black men are supporting and campaigning with her.

Black people are too stupid to see how racist Democrats are!

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withak  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:13:47pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

In the end I’d rather have Sanders fanatics for siblings than Trump ones. Our parents raised us right.

Our parents did, too, but our dad is trapped in the Fox News/right-wing radio bubble. It’s incredibly frustrating. Fortunately, he’s a reasonable guy and arguments don’t get too heated — and he really doesn’t like Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:14:01pm

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

Black people are too stupid to see how racist Democrats are!

But we’re totally not the racist party because Lincoln who we hate was a Republican.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:14:35pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

Circe?

No. And I think Happy Warrior is part right.
Sur-shuh. (Sir-sha-uh without the extra syllable - it’s just two syllables). I’m trying to do it phonetically…and failing.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:14:41pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

You can set it up so you don’t see her posts in your TL. I did it to my Islamaphobe cousin.

Yeah, it may come to that. I want to see how she uses Facebook first. I try to stay away from politics (I’ve got a bunch of Berniacs in my TL), but I’ve posted and shared a lot about gun violence.

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William Lewis  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:14:56pm

re: #190 stpaulbear

Great. I haven’t logged into Facebook for three weeks until this evening and I found out my very conservative, gun loving, sister has set up a Facebook account. I friended her this evening but I don’t want to go visit her page. If she looked at mine, it probably left her fuming. I’m afraid she’s going to be a steady stream of reasons why Hillary should be in prison.

Just let her rant. Nothing you can do will change her mind nor vice versa, so why sweat the little stuff?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:15:18pm

re: #198 withak

Our parents did, too, but our dad is trapped in the Fox News/right-wing radio bubble. It’s incredibly frustrating. Fortunately, he’s a reasonable guy and arguments don’t get too heated — and he really doesn’t like Trump.

Frustrating but at least the old man is reasonable and sees through Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:16:12pm

Deleted. I never read the thread before posting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:17:14pm

re: #201 stpaulbear

Yeah, it may come to that. I want to see how she uses Facebook first. I try to stay away from politics (I’ve got a bunch of Berniacs in my TL), but I’ve posted and shared a lot about gun violence.

I admit it helps that my cousin doesn’t have kids so your sister may be posting photos of nieces and nephews. I hated doing it to him but his Muslim hate was pissing me off and I was getting into battles I knew would never end.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:17:44pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

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I demand a size by size hand analysis!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:18:52pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Close. Check this out from Saiorse Ronan.
ew.com

You’re into genealogy, you’ll love this. I have an ancestor who was called Sorsha. It’s a diminutive form of Sarah. They lived in Kaunas, Lithuania.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:20:12pm

re: #200 MsJ

No. And I think Happy Warrior is part right.
Sur-shuh. (Sir-sha-uh without the extra syllable - it’s just two syllables). I’m trying to do it phonetically…and failing.

Irish is a beautifully strange language. The subject of this oage’s name is pronounced Iifa. I believe it’s Irish for Eve. Eefa actually.

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:21:42pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Close. Check this out from Saiorse Ronan.
ew.com

I totally missed this comment. This is where I learned her name…on Ellen (whom I love, love, love). I work from home so she’s on in the background almost daily.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:21:53pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:22:44pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I admit it helps that my cousin doesn’t have kids so your sister may be posting photos of nieces and nephews. I hated doing it to him but his Muslim hate was pissing me off and I was getting into battles I knew would never end.

Neither of us is married or has kids. She does have 8 cats though so we can post cat videos to each other. She can also hang on to a grudge for decades. We’ll see how it goes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:23:12pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I admit it helps that my cousin doesn’t have kids so your sister may be posting photos of nieces and nephews. I hated doing it to him but his Muslim hate was pissing me off and I was getting into battles I knew would never end.

My wingnut cousin has just gone totally wackaloon recently. It was bad enough when he posted articles from Andrew Breitbart’s Rotting Corpse, but recently it’s like he searches out the worse places he can find in the lower bowels of the Wingnutosphere. I haven’t blocked him yet, but today I blocked posts from at least 5 blogs with ‘Patriot’ in the name - after posting the Gen. Sherman “Do I need to come down there again?” meme on one called ‘Secede Or Die!!!!!’.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:23:23pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

Going to watch Chris Rock’s opening at the Oscars. Then switcheroo to TWD.

fyi

How will you be able to tell the difference?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:24:49pm

re: #209 MsJ

I totally missed this comment. This is where I learned her name…on Ellen (whom I love, love, love). I work from home so she’s on in the background almost daily.

nancy.cc
Check this out. I unfortunately don’t have any names like this in my tree heh. I do have a great great great grandmother who was a Bridget though.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:25:13pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:26:41pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

Fuck that guy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:26:47pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

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Like they really care about the “babies”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:26:59pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

You’re into genealogy, you’ll love this. I have an ancestor who was called Sorsha. It’s a diminutive form of Sarah. They lived in Kaunas, Lithuania.

Cool, I’ve never heard that version of Sarah before. A lot of Sarahs in my family. I love looking at naming customs and naming patterns. Naming patterns and customs get harder to tell as we get more modern. I was explaining patryonoms to CL the other day which is why Trump would be called Donald Fedorvich if he were Russian.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:30pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

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Oh one of these types. Fun, fun in the sun!

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:27:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:28:44pm

re: #211 stpaulbear

Neither of us is married or has kids. She does have 8 cats though so we can post cat videos to each other. She can also hang on to a grudge for decades.

Ah okay. Sucks that she holds on to grudges. I had a rocky relationship with my brother for years but I really think getting older helped us. As I said I’ve really come to respect him a lot.

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:29:46pm

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

Like they really care about the “babies”.

..and we take away the right to discriminate against teh gays.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:30:59pm

Sen. Ben Sasse (R) Nebraska

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:31:10pm

re: #222 stpaulbear

..and we take away the right to discriminate against teh gays.

That’s why I laugh when conservatives say they’re for individual rights. It’s like yeah I guess you never talked to any of those gay couples you’ve used religion as an excuse to deny them the right ot marry or adopt because ti offends YOUR religious beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:31:27pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

Sen. Ben Sasse (R) Nebraska

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Clinton?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:32:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:35:56pm

My snark at Sasse aside. Who is this “strict constructionist conservative” he speaks of? Is it Rubio who barely shows up for work? Is it hahahhaha Cruz? Just because you tell yourself that you’re a strict constructionist conservative doesn’t make you one.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:37:30pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Clinton?

For Clinton to be “some 3rd candidate” I think Sen. Sasse would have to live is some alternate reality where Sanders could win the Dem nomination…

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stpaulbear  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:37:40pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Clinton?

Someone way further to the right than Trump.

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I should have added muslims to that list too. It’s a drag to have to tolerate non-christians. /

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:38:49pm

re: #220 Kragar

What is that? Looks really good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:39:02pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

For Clinton to be “some 3rd candidate” I think Sen. Sasse would have to live is some alternate reality where Sanders could win the Dem nomination…

I know.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:39:33pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

No doubt one of those very strict constitutionalists who want to deny the sitting president a chance to fulfill his constitutional prerogative of filling the SCOTUS vacancy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:40:31pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cat commune.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:41:05pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Cool, I’ve never heard that version of Sarah before. A lot of Sarahs in my family. I love looking at naming customs and naming patterns. Naming patterns and customs get harder to tell as we get more modern. I was explaining patryonoms to CL the other day which is why Trump would be called Donald Fedorvich if he were Russian.

And those naming patterns change over time and by location. My paternal grandfather went through 3 surnames in his lifetime, which made tracking down his birth record a bit difficult until I remembered that while he used his father’s surname (Månson) when he was an adolescent/young adult, his birth was recorded as (father’s first name)son. Then he changed it when he emigrated anyway. I used to think it was odd, but now I can see where he wasn’t really attached to a particular surname.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:41:08pm

re: #233 Whack-A-Mole

No doubt one of those very strict constitutionalists who want to deny the sitting president a chance to fulfill his constitutional prerogative of filling the SCOTUS vacancy.

Of course. He’s a “strict constructionist” not an actual strict constructionist. Bork didn’t even understand why the 9th amendment existed and they touted him as one.

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:41:24pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

My snark at Sasse aside. Who is this “strict constructionist conservative” he speaks of? Is it Rubio who barely shows up for work? Is it hahahhaha Cruz? Just because you tell yourself that you’re a strict constructionist conservative doesn’t make you one.

I don’t even know what that means, and I doubt that the people who like to say that do either.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:41:58pm

Well hey, Ben Sasse has posted “AN OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS” on facebook…

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MsJ  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:42:50pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

Sen. Ben Sasse (R) Nebraska

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Skip Intro  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:43:04pm

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

I have no idea who this Ben’s ass guy is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:43:45pm

re: #235 calochortus

And those naming patterns change over time and by location. My paternal grandfather went through 3 surnames in his lifetime, which made tracking down his birth record a bit difficult until I remembered that while he used his father’s surname (Månson) when he was an adolescent/young adult, his birth was recorded as (father’s first name)son. Then he changed it when he emigrated anyway. I used to think it was odd, but now I can see where he wasn’t really attached to a particular surname.

Wow three surnames. And I thought my grandfather’s experience was odd. But yeah that sort of thing does make it tough. Another thing to consider is in many places recorded records are relatively new too. I’ve by far had the most luck tracing German records. It also helps that my surname wasn’t changed at all upon emigration.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:45:51pm

re: #240 Skip Intro

I have no idea who this Ben’s ass guy is.

I can’t find anything. He doesn’t show up on Nate’s endorsement list on 538. I’d bet you Rubio though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:46:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:46:48pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

Circe?

Nick Circe?

*ducks*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:47:19pm

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

Nick Circe?

*ducks*

Hey, do not insult a beautiful Irish name by likening it to that assclown.

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jaunte  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:47:56pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I understand he owns a luxurious swimming pool.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:48:42pm

re: #235 calochortus

Yup, names are strange things. My grandfather went by at least 4 “surnames” (though not really surnames.)

Names are pretty much what we want to make of them.

That’s why “DMOTI” is a viable name for you-know-who… I guess we could write it as Dmoti to make it look more like a proper noun.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:48:59pm

G’nite all

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:50:27pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Wow three surnames. And I thought my grandfather’s experience was odd. But yeah that sort of thing does make it tough. Another thing to consider is in many places recorded records are relatively new too. I’ve by far had the most luck tracing German records. It also helps that my surname wasn’t changed at all upon emigration.

The Swedish Church kept excellent records. They kept them in Finland too, which was a result of Sweden’s control of Finland in varying degrees over several centuries. When they lost control the Church still handled the record keeping. Very handy for research.

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Belafon  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:51:24pm

Wouldn’t a strict constitutionalist believe that all presidents that were not around when the constitution was ratified are illegal?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:51:58pm

The odd thing is, the Rubio and Cruz factions have realized the same thing Democrats have known for awhile now: The GOP is going off the fucking rails and into extremely deranged and dangerous territory.

Like Democrats, the Rubio/Cruz factions fear Trump and want to stop him, they just don’t know how. A lesser man could probably have been covertly bribed/paid off to pull out of the campaign but that won’t work with Trump as he’s already got a shit ton of money and power.

Trump cannot be intimidated. Not by the Democrats, not by Cruz, not by Rubio, not by anyone in the GOP. What does a party of bullies do when someone they CAN’T bully takes control of everything?

The people supporting Trump are the kind of people who hate Democrats but are also pissed off at Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and other elected Republicans who have, in their opinion, done a shit job of standing up to the scary Black Socialist President.

The GOP is tearing itself apart from the inside out. This is not going to be pretty folks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:52:03pm

re: #247 freetoken

Yup, names are strange things. My grandfather went by at least 4 “surnames” (though not really surnames.)

Names are pretty much what we want to make of them.

That’s why “DMOTI” is a viable name for you-know-who… I guess we could write it as Dmoti to make it look more like a proper noun.

What makes things so difficult for me tracking my mom’s mom side is they do a ton of renaming. Oldest son gets his father’s name, next son paternal grandfather, next son maternal grandfather, and a lot of the girls names like Mary, Ann, Helen are reused oto. My grandmother’s cousin’s family has a lot of people with the same forename as my grandmother’s.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:53:43pm

re: #249 calochortus

The Swedish Church kept excellent records. They kept them in Finland too, which was a result of Sweden’s control of Finland in varying degrees over several centuries. When they lost control the Church still handled the record keeping. Very handy for research.

Haven’t studied Sweden ever since I don’t have anyone that I know that was from there. What makes my research difficult outside of Germany is things like the Irish Civil War as well as the isolation of especially the part of Ireland where my family was from or my mom’s side that because of the Austrian-Hungarian empire, I have no idea if the names will be in Latin, the native language, German, or Hungarian.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:55:41pm

Here’s an article from yesterday that riled me a bit:

Letter: Why our physics teacher shortage matters

No, not the part about the lack of physics teachers, which is sad enough.

It’s the reasoning given:

I teach physics here in Phoenix and was a runner up for Arizona Teacher of the Year. The decline of high school physics in Arizona severely threatens business in our state. In stark contrast to the rest of the nation, only 20 percent of our high-school students are able to take physics and now we are down to only 160 certified physics teachers left statewide.

That’s right. The primary (and really sole) reason given for why lack of teachers is bad is because it’s bad for business.

This is the end result of dropping the concept of a “liberal” education.

That something only has value if it can be commercialized and monetized is something quite different than the idea of a person being “well educated”.

And this isn’t just some Koch-conspiracy driven movement. No, President Obama embraces it too, along with parts of the Democratic establishment.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:56:57pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

So, you’re looking at German ancestors then, not Swedish? I thought a name like “Månson” would have been Swedish.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:58:19pm

re: #255 freetoken

So, you’re looking at German ancestors then, not Swedish? I thought a name like “Månson” would have been Swedish.

Calc’s ancestor is a Månson not mine. But yeah the name does sound Swedish.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:58:40pm

The we’re not racist theory I read earlier. It’s not that Trump is ok with the KKK that’s getting him votes. It’s that he isn’t Hispanic like Cruz and Rubio.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 7:58:42pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Ooopss… my bad.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:00:17pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I was lucky with that half of the family. So many places the records were rather haphazard or destroyed or whatever. The Swedes (including the ones that lived in Finland) are easier to trace than the English ones, or the ones that have been in the US more or less forever.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:00:32pm

re: #258 freetoken

Ooopss… my bad.

No worries. You know it’s funny. The German ancestors I actually know a good bit amount about are the ones I’m having the hardest time tracking. I got my paternal grandfather’s father’s family down but his mother especially her father is just difficult as hell. They too had some renaming.

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CuriousLurker  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:03:20pm

Just in case it comes up again and anyone needs it, here’s the first GOP debate in Cleveland on August 6, 2015 in which every nominee on the stage except Trump silently pledged to support the eventual GOP nominee:

Starts at 03:38:

Republican Presidential Debate - 6 August - Fox News

BAIER: Gentlemen, we know how much you love hand-raising questions. So we promise, this is the only one tonight: the only one. Is there anyone on stage, and can I see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person.

Again, we’re looking for you to raise your hand now — raise your hand now if you won’t make that pledge tonight. […]

Full text transcript

A little less than a month later, Trump signed the pledge.

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Kragar  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:06:23pm

The bagna cauda pan sauce turned out even better than I expected. So good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:06:36pm

re: #259 calochortus

Yeah, I was lucky with that half of the family. So many places the records were rather haphazard or destroyed or whatever. The Swedes (including the ones that lived in Finland) are easier to trace than the English ones, or the ones that have been in the US more or less forever.

Sounds like my experience with the Germans. I think by far the most hard to trace are the Slovenians for me. I did get a break when I joined a Slovenian society and they suggested sending the names of my great grandparents and their dobs and village (I had that since I have a family history book that was done by a cousin of my grandfather’s cousin- long story short, his mother was the brother of her father who married into a family so they had his name and info too. Funnily enough my great grandfather has the same surname but not sure how if at all the two families are connected. I know so little about Slovenia.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:06:56pm

re: #261 CuriousLurker

Just in case it comes up again and anyone needs it, here’s the first GOP debate in Cleveland on August 6, 2015 in which every nominee on the stage except Trump silently pledged to support the eventual GOP nominee:

Starts at 03:38:

[Embedded content]

But we didn’t think Trump would actually happen. //

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mmmirele  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:07:01pm

re: #190 stpaulbear

Great. I haven’t logged into Facebook for three weeks until this evening and I found out my very conservative, gun loving, sister has set up a Facebook account. I friended her this evening but I don’t want to go visit her page. If she looked at mine, it probably left her fuming. I’m afraid she’s going to be a steady stream of reasons why Hillary should be in prison.

My sister, who thinks the country has gone downhill since FDR became president, unfriended me some time back. Her husband won’t friend me. Her older son unfriended me presumably because my liberal politics annoyed him. The younger son, who is serving in the Air Force and is stationed in Korea, is still a friend.

On the other hand, my brother finally friended me so I could see videos of his dog. Thing is, I could be over there in less than 15 minutes and see the dog live. Go figure.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:07:30pm

re: #259 calochortus

… are easier to trace than the English ones, or the ones that have been in the US more or less forever.

Yup. There’s that black hole of the time before about the War of 1812 back to Jamestown, where unless the woman was from a very well off family who wrote lots of land deals and wills and such, one just can’t trace the woman’s ancestors, because we don’t know the maiden name.

And also, in some of the colonies, the women didn’t even have legal rights to their own children.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:09:15pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

You’ll have plenty to keep you busy, then. And a good reason to travel to Slovenia.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:10:44pm

The War of 1812 Pension Files project is really useful for American genealogy, btw. I’m glad all those societies got together and prioritized it. I found an ancestor in there. Didn’t tell me anything new, but it is kind of neat seeing the signature of my 3rd great grandmother, who signed for her mother, the widow.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:11:33pm

re: #266 freetoken

Yup. There’s that black hole of the time before about the War of 1812 back to Jamestown, where unless the woman was from a very well off family who wrote lots of land deals and wills and such, one just can’t trace the woman’s ancestors, because we don’t know the maiden name.

And also, in some of the colonies, the women didn’t even have legal rights to their own children.

And that’s a pretty big black hole. 200 years and change. What really sucks is the fire that destroyed a lot of the 1890 census records. Like I know for a fact that my great grandmother had at least three siblings whose names I don’t have a clue about. i did get teh cemetery records from the Pittsburgh archdiocese in the cemetery where her folks, young brother, and young sister were buried but it’s impossible to find out which ones were her siblings since her maiden name is super common in the Irish community. And some people it’s impossible to find a trace of. I can’t find any records of one great great grandparent before her marriage. I know her maiden name since it’s on her son’s death certificate and I feel confident about where she was born but all I know is the state and New York is huge.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:12:16pm

re: #267 calochortus

You’ll have plenty to keep you busy, then. And a good reason to travel to Slovenia.

Yep. Planning on going to Germany next year and to make a day trip ot the region where my surname forefathers originate form. that’ll be fun.

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:13:09pm

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

You’re into genealogy, you’ll love this. I have an ancestor who was called Sorsha. It’s a diminutive form of Sarah. They lived in Kaunas, Lithuania.

I just did some googling, and got Frank McCourt saying it: MP3 Audio

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:13:37pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

For late immigrants the loss of the 1890 census can be quite the wall for researchers.

Many states had their own censuses on either side of that national census. But for you, given it’s New York, I’ve always found that state quite frustrating. They don’t want to put many records online.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:13:54pm

re: #268 freetoken

The War of 1812 Pension Files project is really useful for American genealogy, btw. I’m glad all those societies got together and prioritized it. I found an ancestor in there. Didn’t tell me anything new, but it is kind of neat seeing the signature of my 3rd great grandmother, who signed for her mother, the widow.

I found a great great great uncle on one of those. That shocked the hell out of me. See before I started researching this stuff, I thought my earliest relations came over during the Potato Famine or European Revolutions in the late 1840’s. Nope got a set of great great great great grandparents who came over from Alsace in Washington’s first term and he’s right there in the 1800 census.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:13:55pm

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump cannot be intimidated. Not by the Democrats, not by Cruz, not by Rubio, not by anyone in the GOP. What does a party of bullies do when someone they CAN’T bully takes control of everything?

On this I disagree. Trump absolutely can be intimidated. Like all bullies, inwardly he is a coward. You can see it in the way he quietly asks other guests and news anchors to not give him too hard questions, in the way he glowered when he was made fun of in the journalist’s dinner a few years back. You can see it in the way he has to respond by tweet or otherwise to every critic, trying to pump himself up over them in the most trivial ways, like telling them he gets more tail and so forth.

Like all vain, petty men with no particular skills other than pomposity, he is absolutely afraid of being mocked and exposed as the paper tiger he is. For all that his campaign appears unstoppable, it would take exactly one really good humiliation on national television to end it forever, because unlike other movements based on ‘conservatism’ or some other such cultish agenda, his movement is based on nothing at all other than his own ego.

The problem in the GOP primary is that the GOP base likes bullies. They are a group of perpetual children and sycophants who attach themselves to the biggest bully on the playground. I have to believe that America as a whole is not so far gone that such people represent the majority. And I also believe that being the biggest bully in a crowd of bullies is one thing, but being a bully on a stage towards an elderly woman with no one else around will look very different indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:15:33pm

re: #272 freetoken

For late immigrants the loss of the 1890 census can be quite the wall for researchers.

Many states had their own censuses on either side of that national census. But for you, given it’s New York, I’ve always found that state quite frustrating. They don’t want to put many records online.

Yeah it does make it tough. 1880 to 1900 is twenty years. It’s not quite as big as the Jamestown to 1812 gap you brought up above but it’s a sizable one. Another problem with late immigrants especially Eastern European ones like my mom’s side are spellings of surnames in the census.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:16:20pm

re: #266 freetoken

Yup. There’s that black hole of the time before about the War of 1812 back to Jamestown, where unless the woman was from a very well off family who wrote lots of land deals and wills and such, one just can’t trace the woman’s ancestors, because we don’t know the maiden name.

And also, in some of the colonies, the women didn’t even have legal rights to their own children.

I was able to tap into some genealogies that were done in the late 19th century which provided information on a couple of my lines from way back when in the US, including maybe a Mayflower connection. It is claimed by lots of people, but is dependent on a marriage where the records were lost so I suspect the “Ruth” in question isn’t the Mayflower descendant she is claimed to be. It doesn’t matter that much to me-the important fact is that my ancestors were kicking around New England in the 1620s and being early colonists tells me something about who they were and what their lives were like.

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freetoken  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:18:45pm

re: #276 calochortus

Well, you could always try DNA testing and see if you get any cousin matches to that family from which your Ruth sprang.

BTW, the LDS online site FamilySearch has many manuscripts now digitized and available online. I found one that touches on a ancestor of mine, though I had already discovered more information on him than what that family research had discovered.

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calochortus  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:24:26pm

re: #277 freetoken

I feel confident that someone somewhere must be working on DNA relationships for Mayflower descendants. Honestly, right now I don’t care enough about that to bother. I really need to get back to rewriting some of the family history in view of what I learned from a 3rd cousin in Finland who happened to be researching our shared branch of the family.

Family Search is a wonderful reference. We also have genealogical research center at one of the local LDS churches that has been very helpful.

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teleskiguy  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:29:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:30:22pm

re: #278 calochortus

I feel confident that someone somewhere must be working on DNA relationships for Mayflower descendants. Honestly, right now I don’t care enough about that to bother. I really need to get back to rewriting some of the family history in view of what I learned from a 3rd cousin in Finland who happened to be researching our shared branch of the family.

Family Search is a wonderful reference. We also have genealogical research center at one of the local LDS churches that has been very helpful.

Family Search is how I uncovered all the German records. Someone and I don’t know who compiled a tree going from my great great grandfather(the immigrant with my surname who brought his wife and kids to the US)’s father back to the early 17th century. I do wish they had documentation. I messaged the person asking where they got this information but no such luck with a response. I also look at old newspapers. I really lucked out and there was a whole article on my one great great great grandmother’s passing. The article expressed amazement that she lived 50 years in the US only speaking the Irish language.

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No Depression  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:31:47pm

re: #254 freetoken

Here’s an article from yesterday that riled me a bit:

Letter: Why our physics teacher shortage matters

No, not the part about the lack of physics teachers, which is sad enough.

It’s the reasoning given:

That’s right. The primary (and really sole) reason given for why lack of teachers is bad is because it’s bad for business.

This is the end result of dropping the concept of a “liberal” education.

That something only has value if it can be commercialized and monetized is something quite different than the idea of a person being “well educated”.

And this isn’t just some Koch-conspiracy driven movement. No, President Obama embraces it too, along with parts of the Democratic establishment.

Yeah, that one sentence explanation of the problem without any further elaboration does strike me as pretty shallow. But I honestly don’t have a problem with framing it as “bad for business” if done within a larger context. If the author had written something along the lines of this:

This shortage of physics teachers is bad for business and our communities because it means that companies can’t fill the important skilled positions they need to provide us with vital goods and services. By hiring more physics teachers, we can ensure that companies get the workers that they need and that our students get high-paying jobs in STEM careers to achieve prosperity for themselves, their families and their communities.

That would sound a lot better I think. Maybe if the author had more of a “liberal” education he could have written a more comprehensive and holistic analysis of the problems and opportunities being faced :)

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retired cynic  Feb 28, 2016 • 8:32:49pm

re: #274 Renaissance_Man

I felt at the time of the Obama mocking of Trump that Trump was going to find some way of getting his own back. He looked like he would absolutely explode, and kept it damped down. My neck hair stood up, because he just radiated hate.


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