Tech Note: A Big Improvement for Mobile Users

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If you’re browsing Little Green Footballs on a mobile phone tonight, you’ll notice a huge improvement in the speed of loading our home page. Today I implemented some code that serves tiny smartphone-sized images for all the front page articles if you’re using a phone, instead of full-sized images scaled down by the browser.

This means that loading the front page on a mobile phone is now an order of magnitude faster and uses much less data bandwidth; the images for our articles are now typically in the neighborhood of 10-20K instead of 100K or more, so you should notice a rather large improvement. (On a desktop computer or laptop, you’ll still see the full-sized high resolution images, of course.)

Another enhancement implemented today: embedded tweets now automatically recognize Twitter videos, so if a tweet contains a video it will render as a beautiful full-width video. All you have to do is post the web address of the tweet in a comment or LGF Page; the rest is automatic.

This is what a full-width Twitter video looks like:

And one more improvement to note: the “Featured Pages” and “Recent Pages” lists in our right sidebar now include images (scaled for the smallest possible download, of course!) for any LGF Page that contains a “meta image.”

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647 comments

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:15:55pm

My aging android phone thanks you. :)

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KingKenrod  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:20:58pm

Thanks, I’ve been using my mobile for browsing more and more.

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teleskiguy  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:38:01pm

Open thread! I can post whatever I want!

Here, have some good cop bad cop tweets from the Bitter Buddha Eddie Pepitone.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:45:51pm

Thank you Charles!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:47:58pm

G’night folks. Remember to not piss off the gulls right after you washed your car!

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teleskiguy  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:50:04pm

It’s my Friday night from the ski shop. I’m partaking in some herb, as is my wont on a “Friday” night. I’m still amazed and befuddled at legal cannabis in my state. The closest weed store from me is about 10 miles. It’s called Sweet Leaf Pioneer. Yeah, the nearest weed store is named after the Black Sabbath song.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:55:31pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

It’s my Friday night from the ski shop. I’m partaking in some herb, as is my wont on a “Friday” night. I’m still amazed and befuddled at legal cannabis in my state. The closest weed store from me is about 10 miles. It’s called Sweet Leaf Pioneer. Yeah, the nearest weed store is named after the Black Sabbath song.

My Chinese friends here are perplexed that marijuana, which is strictly illegal in China, is freely available in some parts of the USA.

China’s penalties for use are bad (a long imprisonment + deportation if you’re a foreigner), but not as draconian as those in Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore, where even possession can bring the death penalty.

I don’t partake, so it doesn’t affect me, but tokers should be careful when traveling in Asia. You can get weed, but being caught with it has dire consequences.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:58:04pm

FFL posted a gull, so I will post a purple heron.

Purple heron in flight, Borneo
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teleskiguy  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:58:06pm

OK, I finally read this article.

Charles, thank you for all your hard work. I tell the good people in my life about this site. It’s slick, constantly improves and the community is outstanding with content and commentary.

Go Lizards!

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 29, 2016 • 8:59:12pm

Verizon wireless sucks. My phone is off because they apparently did not credit my last payment to my account with them. My credit card was billed for the requisite amount. Their customer service now refuses to talk to me because I do not have current service. They want me to make another payment so I can ask them what happened to the last payment. My response is a big “FUCK YOU.” From an internet search, it appears that this “misdirected payment” crap is a big issue with them. Before they stopped talking to inactive customers entirely, they apparently just advised people to contact their own bank, as though the bank could do anything besides tell the customer that the money was paid to Verizon. I am going to switch providers as soon as I can get another phone, and I will be filing a complaint with the FTC and the Texas Attorney General’s office. I have been toying with the idea of hiring a private attorney, too, though this would cost many times what the bastards owe me. It might be worth it.

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teleskiguy  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:05:55pm

Another thing I noticed. Pages on the right have photos now.

Charles is a wizard.

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Kragar  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:16:02pm

2 more down:

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bratwurst  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:17:14pm

So you’re saying it can’t be saved?

(Please note link is to Ace of Spades. To save you from having to click, I will summarize it for you: blah blah blahty blah. That is about it)

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Kragar  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:18:33pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:19:14pm

re: #13 bratwurst

Ted Cruz is not the cure you are looking for, Erick. He’s more the symptom.

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Kragar  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:21:17pm
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Great White Snark  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:21:58pm

Birds in flight?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:22:39pm

re: #17 Great White Snark

OK, that’s more impressive than mine.

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BeachDem  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:24:28pm

So wait—wasn’t rage furby going to release his hotter than hot takedown of the water boy tonight?

Is that crickets I hear?

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Great White Snark  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:25:16pm

re: #18 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Blue Purple Heron beats Vulture for appeal though. In any light.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:25:34pm

Herons hanging out, then.

Just hanging out on a rainy day
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:26:29pm

re: #19 BeachDem

So wait—wasn’t rage furby going to release his hotter than hot takedown of the water boy tonight?

Is that crickets I hear?

Didn’t he get scooped by someone? There was a tweet to that effect here.

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Great White Snark  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:29:29pm

So went to the eye doc today. Found myself ordering transitional+progressive lenses. Almost sounds like I need to re register for the primary.

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calochortus  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:30:21pm

Good night all, hasta mañana.

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otoc  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:31:08pm

Nice mobile improvement for the site. Great work.

-sent from my iPhone

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otoc  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:33:41pm

re: #15 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ted Cruz is anot the cure you are looking for, Erick. He’s more the symptom.

He is not the droid you seek…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:36:13pm

The Political Insider carried a story a few days ago about a BOMBSHELL!! report from a SC insider that Rubio was carrying on with a lobbyist. These rumors are as yet unsubstantiated, and probably just chum in the waters.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:38:22pm

Besides, with Rubio running in third place, who cares if he had a woman on the side, other than his family? He’s an also-ran for the nomination, unless someone is trying to poison his chances for a third-party bid or a brokered convention.

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MsJ  Feb 29, 2016 • 9:56:34pm
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Dark_Falcon  Feb 29, 2016 • 10:24:43pm

I’ll try the Twitter video out with a new favorite of mine:

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 29, 2016 • 10:45:28pm

Jesus, even when this flu is over it’s not over. Still coughing up lung butter and my head feels like it’s somewhere in the benthic zone.

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Alyosha  Feb 29, 2016 • 10:54:18pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Jesus, even when this flu is over it’s not over. Still coughing up lung butter and my head feels like it’s somewhere in the benthic zone.

Meanwhile…

Brutal…
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teleskiguy  Feb 29, 2016 • 11:16:08pm
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freetoken  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:00:41am

Tuesday, Trump is holding rallies first in Ohio, then Kentucky, then finally at his club in Palm Beach.

The latter is a “press conference” - evidently to talk about the day’s victories.

But rumors are flying that Gov. Scott is going to be there to give his endorsement.

If that indeed happens, then we can’t pretend that Christie/LePage endorsements were just anomalous.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:12:06am

re: #34 freetoken

Tuesday, Trump is holding rallies first in Ohio, then Kentucky, then finally at his club in Palm Beach.

The latter is a “press conference” - evidently to talk about the day’s victories.

But rumors are flying that Gov. Scott is going to be there to give his endorsement.

If that indeed happens, then we can’t pretend that Christie/LePage endorsements were just anomalous.

pursuing self-interest is no anomaly, especially among politicians, hating ted cruz and considering marco rubio an insignificant twit are no anomalies, especially in the the GOP

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:13:35am

For those who missed it, on Monday morning, the racist group ALIPAC endorsed Trump:

[…]

William Gheen and ALIPAC are announcing this unprecedented endorsement of Donald Trump with the hope of helping Trump fulfill his campaign promise to deport all illegal aliens as current US laws and the Constitution require. It is also hoped that endorsing Donald Trump will bring more attention and energy to the down ballot candidates facing off against the 178 Cantor List Republicans who support the same kind of amnesty for illegals that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama support.

“We will fight tooth and nail for Donald Trump until the last day of his second term as long as he stays true to his GOP Primary supporters and his promises to deport illegals, build a substantial wall, decrease legal immigration levels to help American workers, and end dangerous Muslim refugee resettlement programs,” said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. “However, we do plan to oppose any touch back amnesty plans for deported illegal immigrants. ALIPAC stands behind our current laws that say any illegal immigrants deported from the United States are prohibited from legal entry for a minimum of ten years, and we hope Mr. Trump will honor that law when our members of Congress refuse to change it.”

[…]

I didn’t link the quote because donotlink.com is down (is this recent?)

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:16:06am

re: #6 teleskiguy

Here in my little town (Brookings) in Oregon I have five stores within stumbling distance, I mean two miles. I don’t smoke bud as much as I used to but I dab like yabba-dabba-doo! Just hit on some Looking Glass Raspberry Kush a bit ago and have a few other of my favorite flavors on hand. One of them is the Looking Glass Live Cinex, which I think is a missed opportunity in naming as it’s a hybrid of Cinderella 99 and Vortex. When I read that I immediately truncated it to Cindy Vortex, Jimmy Neutron’s romantic interest.

Gotta blast! :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:18:35am

re: #36 freetoken

For those who missed it, on Monday morning, the racist group ALIPAC endorsed Trump:

“However, we do plan to oppose any touch back amnesty plans for deported illegal immigrants. ALIPAC stands behind our current laws that say any illegal immigrants deported from the United States are prohibited from legal entry for a minimum of ten years, and we hope Mr. Trump will honor that law when our members of Congress refuse to change it.

“Nice little law there, would be a shame to see it get….broken.”

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Amory Blaine  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:18:53am

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

I also caught a wicked case of the flu caring for my wife, who now has pneumonia. It hit my house like a bag of bricks.

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:22:27am

FWIW, last week, global sea ice hit a record low, since satellite observation started in 1979:

Image: global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

You won’t hear that in GOP “debates”.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:23:27am

re: #37 Odie Hugh Manatee

Reading our lizard’s musings on the subject confirms what a backwater my home is. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:28:16am

re: #41 Amory Blaine

Reading our lizard’s musings on the subject confirms what a backwater my home is. Sigh.

And Germany…

…on one hand, possession of personal amounts is pretty much decriminalized, but compared to the Netherlands with its coffee shops or Spain with its buyers’ clubs, it is still quite a backwater.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:34:02am

re: #41 Amory Blaine

You have my understanding and sympathy. May our (and other states) trailblazing help to bring enlightenment and sanity to your state once they see that we don’t go up in smoke. Hell, other than the dispensaries becoming stores plus the opening of a few new places, you would be hard pressed to know that anything has changed here. One thing going for us is that we were primed and ready to go (growing-wise) since we were already a medical marijuana state so there was a lot of crop on hand.

We were ready to roll! ;)

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:39:25am

re: #37 Odie Hugh Manatee

I live in CA where a medical card is enough of a pain in the ass that I just go old school. I have Sour Diesel and White Fire OG. I sure hope we legalize it soon.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:41:21am
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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:42:22am

re: #45 Kragar

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The kind that only exists in their fantasies, where the last 8 years were a dream for the President.

You know, the same one that dubs people like Joni Ernst as “moderates” when compared to Donald Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:42:36am
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:50:07am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

cross reference with historically illiterate

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:50:15am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

File under not even responsive:

Making Hitler comparisons is just handing Trump a bigger hammer.

Just stick to the basics: he has no experience with elective office, makes unfounded claims and promises things that cannot be realistically delivered.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:50:18am

Bernie Bros going after Elizabeth Warren now for the crime of not endorsing him.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:50:58am

re: #44 Single-handed sailor

It sounds like CA will finally be getting their shit together soon. I was pissed that I moved from Washington to Oregon years ago and then Washington up and legalizes it first. I figured Oregon would have done it first and California would have beat us both but oh well…

I like the diesel strains, very tasty. I finished up some Blue City Diesel crumble the other day and now am working on some Master City Diesel (both are Pangaea brands). A local grown favorite is the Bob Harley (Ricky Bobby Kush/Harlequin hybrid) shatter, smooth and potent.

Whatever you do, avoid Phyre Extracts OG Kush… I think it tastes like what a dab would taste like if Satan dragged his testicles through it, like sulfur and salt. The same goes for Pop Naturals Bubba Kush.

/wretch

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:54:39am
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:58:49am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Making Hitler comparisons is just handing Trump a bigger hammer.

Just stick to the basics: he has no experience with elective office, makes unfounded claims and promises things that cannot be realistically delivered.

You are flat wrong. Dangerously wrong. Trump got this far because his GOP rivals tried it your way. His reputation needs to become synonymous with the racist bigotry he’s been fomenting. The problem is he’s been given a pass up till now, nobody in the media and none of his Republican rivals has been willing to call him out on his racism. That needs to stop.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:59:23am
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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:00:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:01:23am

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

You are flat wrong. Dangerously wrong. Trump got this far because his GOP rivals tried it your way. His reputation needs to become synonymous with the racist bigotry he’s been fomenting. The problem is he’s been given a pass up till now, nobody in the media or on his own side has been willing to call him out on his racism. That needs to stop.

Fine. Just leave the Hitler stuff for now and stick to the facts.

Add the fact that he is a racist bigot - in addition to his lack of elective background, his habit of making unsubstantiated and contradictory statements, and his propensity for making totally unrealistic promises.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:05:39am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Bernie Bros going after Elizabeth Warren now for the crime of not endorsing him.

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I think a lot of us knew this would eventually happen. Warren was the person the emoprogs were counting on to take them to the Promised Land and she (smartly) declined to run this year and instead focus on the work she can accomplish in the Senate. So having her dub Bernie as her champion would be the next best thing in their minds, which is why they’re mobbing her in an effort to get her endorsement for him.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:07:04am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Fine. Just leave the Hitler stuff for now and stick to the facts.

Um, how about no. Because the FACT is that a bunch of Holocaust survivors got together last month and straight up told the world that Trump reminds them of Hitler.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:07:52am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Um, how about no. Because the FACT is that a bunch of Holocaust survivors got together last month and straight up told the world that Trump reminds them of Hitler.

But other than that…
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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:12:18am

re: #45 Kragar

The fuck world is this woman living in?

A world where the president is guy of Irish ancestry named Barry O’Brian, evidently.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:14:37am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Um, how about no. Because the FACT is that a bunch of Holocaust survivors got together last month and straight up told the world that Trump reminds them of Hitler.

It is a fact that some people have a well founded but nonetheless subjective impression…

That is all completely valid, but as an approach, it will just be brushed off and derail the discussion: “Nuh-uh! Hitler was a vegetarian and Trump sold steaks!”

Stick to objective facts for now. There are enough substantiated facts working against DT, it’s just that people are afraid to put them out there.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:16:06am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Stick to objective facts for now.

Objective facts? This is an election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:18:54am

re: #62 Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate

Objective facts? This is an election.

One consoling factor is that all the tactics that were so successful for DT in the primaries are not going to work in the general. We are still going to have a press trying to make a horse race out of it and over-inflating his polling numbers, but I am convinced that the majority of Americans are not going to vote for this snake-oil salesman.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:19:37am

Are we really going to tell the last few survivors of the Nazi death camps that we’re not going to repeat their warnings because it makes certain people uncomfortable? I’m sick to death of the tone policing surrounding this, Trump is a fucking racist, wannabe totalitarian menace. Even if he never becomes President he’s on track to get people killed due to his out of control bigoted rhetoric.

It’s long past time everyone stopped trying to play nice and just viciously tore him and his supporters down at every opportunity. After all they’re bullies, the last thing they’ll ever expect or want is for this fight to visit them in person. Being a Trump supporter in public needs to become a very uncomfortable thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:21:13am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Are we really going to tell the last few survivors of the Nazi death camps that we’re not going to repeat their warnings because it makes certain people uncomfortable? I’m sick to death of the tone policing surrounding this, Trump is a fucking racist, wannabe totalitarian menace. Even if he never becomes President he’s on track to get people killed due to his out of control bigoted rhetoric.

It’s long past time everyone stopped trying to play nice and just viciously tore him and his supporters down at every opportunity. After all they’re bullies, the last thing they’ll ever expect or want is for this fight to visit them in person. Being a Trump supporter in public needs to become a very uncomfortable thing.

It’s not about comfort, it is about finding a viable approach. I still feel that the Hitler comparisons are only derailing the discussion right now, despite the fact that they are not without substance.

But do not hesitate to call him a bully, a liar, a blowhard, a hypocrite and a bigot.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:21:55am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is a fact that some people have a well founded but nonetheless subjective impression…

That is all completely valid, but as an approach, it will just be brushed off and derail the discussion: “Nuh-uh! Hitler was a vegetarian and Trump sold steaks!”

Stick to objective facts for now. There are enough substantiated facts working against DT, it’s just that people are afraid to put them out there.

No offense, but the sticking to objective facts bit will only get you so far in an election against a man whose followers love that he just ignores facts and tells them what they want to hear. I mean, nobody in their right mind thinks the man is going to build an enormous wall and get Mexico to pay for it, but his followers do because they want to believe it is true.

If you need a better example, it wasn’t objective fact that allowed Bush Sr. to crush Dukakis in ‘89, it was Willie Horton and a picture of him riding in a tank. Likewise Dubya ratfked his way into the White House, leaving three better men as casualties in his wake. And the only reason Jeb? didn’t follow in that tradition is because The Donald gelded him on live TV in the very first debate and spent every following debate reminding folks of that.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:22:12am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

“Never again!”

“That is good news because I want to warn you about something.”

“Hush now.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:29:15am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am convinced that the majority of Americans are not going to vote for this snake-oil salesman.

They absolutely will if the Dems take your advice and pussyfoot around what he really is. He needs to be hit so hard and so fast that he’s terrified of the idea of debating Hillary in person. As I said earlier today they need to come out in a prison yard rush and just overwhelm him with his own vile positions and statements, explicitly labeling him as a racist bully deserving of no respect whatsoever. He’s gotten this far because he hasn’t really been opposed. Under a stream of unrelenting attacks and pressure his campaign will flail, make a series of terrible mistakes, and eventually drown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:31:46am

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

They absolutely will if the Dems take your advice and pussyfoot around what he really is.

That is not at all what I advocated: call him out on his lies, contradictions and associations with dangerous people, just leave off the Hitler stuff for now, I think the latter is counter-productive and derails the discussion.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:32:49am

Look at the GOP race and think seriously about the idea of meeting bombastic rhetoric and lunacy with objective fact. At different times in the race, Paul, Bush, and Kasich tried to argue objective fact as a counter to extremist rhetoric. Two of them are now gone and the third is likely to be gone by month’s end.

I keep hearing the same thing from Trump supporters as I heard from Dubya supporters, and Reagan supporters before them: “He makes me feel good about America.” The man can dial back the hatred and keep pushing the “Make America Great Again” shit and win a lot of people who will have suffered amnesia between now and November. Just for example, I was talking to the guy at Firestone the other day while my car was being worked on about the election. And this was a guy whose experience I respect, so when he told me he thinks Trump would be good for the nation because he’s a businessman and that’s the sort of person we need in the White House to get the economy moving again, it was everything I could do to keep my jaw shut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:39:26am

re: #70 Targetpractice

Look at the GOP race and think seriously about the idea of meeting bombastic rhetoric and lunacy with objective fact. At different times in the race, Paul, Bush, and Kasich tried to argue objective fact as a counter to extremist rhetoric. Two of them are now gone and the third is likely to be gone by month’s end.

What works well in the GOP race is not necessarily going to be effective when the message is addressed to the rest of America that is not under-educated, alienated and vindictive.

GOP candidates made the mistake of assuming that there was a majority within the party that was not bigoted and petty.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:43:37am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is not at all what I advocated: call him out on his lies, contradictions and associations with dangerous people, just leave off the Hitler stuff for now, I think the latter is counter-productive and derails the discussion.

Fuck the discussion. His supporters are backing a fascist who terrifies the few Holocaust survivors we have left. You can’t reason with them, but you can point out to others that it’s not just ex-Presidents of Mexico making the comparison, but people who actually lived under Hitler. People who Hitler tried to kill and who survived against the longest of odds.

I want to be absolutely clear here, not listening to them, not repeating what may well be the last warning these people issue to the world before they’re all gone because we’re afraid of how some assholes might receive it, constitutes the absolute worst kind of cowardice.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:44:51am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What works well in the GOP race is not necessarily going to be effective when the message is addressed at the rest of America that is not under-educated, alienated and vindictive.

No offense, but you have a much higher opinion of the majority of American voters than I. There’s no question that Trump has pretty much alienated much of the minority vote now. But in 8 months, a lot can change. There’s a lot of folks who are like that mechanic I brought up, putting politics in general and this election in particular lower on their list of priorities than the next paycheck or the pile of bills at home. They’re not sitting up at night to watch the debates, they catch snippets on the morning news with their first cup of coffee and in the evenings as they’re nodding off. Most have no clue about the sort of shit Trump’s saying out on the campaign trail, all they see is a guy who has spent years crafting this image as a titan of business and think “That’s the sort of guy we need running things.”

Don’t think that can work? Pull out a Ouija board and give Reagan a call.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:45:17am

Trump fan heard from.

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:45:29am

Perhaps the discomfort that arises from comparing Trump to Hitler is rooted in the experiences we’ve all had with Godwin’s Law on various sites.
The difference here is that we are actually seeing a candidate being carried forward on a wave of rhetoric that appeals to the ignorance and racism of those who see themselves as the soul of the nation, beseiged by invaders and traitors.
He has made no secret of his desire to mete out the worst tortures imaginable to enemies real and perceived.
He has singled out the press, time and again, for especial vitriol and has recently gone so far as to advocate for anti-Constitutional measures to silence his critic. Fuck, just today a photographer was subject to attack by Trump’s security detail. Professionals who are presumably trained to ignore politics and protect the candidate with force only in the event of a serious threat.
Mexicans are rapists.
Muslims are terrorists.
Retweets white supremacists.
Fantasises about killing people to prove a point and beating up protesters.

Is currently killing it in the popularity polls in a party predisposed to authoritarianism, voter suppression and the enrichment of the real oligarchy.
It is a campaign that shrouds itself in a piety which, though laughably transparent, is nonetheless drawing the credulous in with promises of restoring Christian supremacy in a land which is neccessarily divided into religious and public spheres.
I could go on.

Maybe the Godwin Aversion Threshold ought to be recalibrated coz I think it counts here.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:47:42am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Check out that one’s timeline. Total sewer of white supremacism. And it’s probably a dude.

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BlackPearl  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:47:51am

BTW, HappyWarrior,

I agree that Montreux is a great place to visit. However, Switzerland is stupid expensive, and Montreux is STUPID expensive, so I’d recommend looking for a hotel in one of the small towns west of it. There’s a small, cheap, commuter rail that should connect you easily, or it’s a pleasant lakeside walk. (I stayed in the Montreux youth hostel, which was a nice hostel, 20 minutes from either Montreux or Chateau de Chillon, and a few minutes from a train stop.)

Also, a nice day trip is to take the train into the mountains and visit Gruyeres (which also, weirdly, hosts a Giger museum - said it was weird) and go further to a cheese factory and the Callebaut chocolate museum. There are tour companies, but it’s easy to do on your own. The train is one of the heritage lines, and the views are spectacular rising into the mountains above the lake. Overall, though, Montreux is a good stop for when you’re burned out being a tourist and just want to relax in the sun by a gorgeous lake.

Also also, if you make it to Hamburg, drop me a line. Even if you want to meet up in Berlin, I haven’t been in forever and love the city. :) (Hamburg does have an Emigration museum as most of Central Europe emptied out through it in the 19th century - I know ancestry research is an interest of yours. Otherwise, while it’s a really pretty city and seems to get a lot of tourists, I don’t see it as a major tourist stop.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:48:51am

re: #75 Alyosha

I don’t think that the comparisons are not valid, I just don’t see them as a means of materially helping the case against him right now. It should suffice to point out the damage that DT and his party will do to this country if they are allowed near the White House.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:54:43am

Really, who are we counting on to counter Trump’s rhetoric at this point?

His party? Rinsed is already preparing to take a huge bite out of this shit sandwich while his fellow candidates flail as they try to find a way to denounce Trump for all the hate he’s spewing while keeping the base who’s lapping up that hate happy.

The media? They’re totally invested in the spectacle of a Trump nomination now, imagine how much they’re gonna be invested in a Trump presidency? And don’t look to people who spent the 90s engaged in “The Great Penis Hunt”* to come to Hillary’s aid in tearing down the guy they want to see in the White House.

SuperPACs? Perhaps they might lend a hand, but only with the aim of salvaging the GOP’s Senate majority. And even they will respect the same sort of limits that the GOP is imposing upon itself to avoid totally pissing off the base.

* h/t Charles Pierce

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:56:07am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t think that the comparisons are not valid, I just don’t see them as a means of materially helping the case against him right now. It should suffice to point out the damage that DT and his party will do to this country if they are allowed near the White House.

It should suffice. Ordinarily it would be. I’m not so sure now. Plus, if these fanatics aren’t properly chastened, not only in the election, but personally - by disgusted friends, family and co-workers - they’ll be a constant plague on the electorate until they start dying off.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:56:24am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Trump fan heard from.

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She seems nice.

Edit: Here’s another doozie:

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:17:29am

re: #79 Targetpractice

Really, who are we counting on to counter Trump’s rhetoric at this point?

His party? Rinsed is already preparing to take a huge bite out of this shit sandwich while his fellow candidates flail as they try to find a way to denounce Trump for all the hate he’s spewing while keeping the base who’s lapping up that hate happy.

The media? They’re totally invested in the spectacle of a Trump nomination now, imagine how much they’re gonna be invested in a Trump presidency? And don’t look to people who spent the 90s engaged in “The Great Penis Hunt”* to come to Hillary’s aid in tearing down the guy they want to see in the White House.

SuperPACs? Perhaps they might lend a hand, but only with the aim of salvaging the GOP’s Senate majority. And even they will respect the same sort of limits that the GOP is imposing upon itself to avoid totally pissing off the base.

* h/t Charles Pierce

I don’t know what the campaigning laws are like outside of the PAC phenomenon but I’d love to see the ADL, Yad Vashem, SPLC and Planned Parenthood do a bit of the punching.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:23:21am

re: #82 Alyosha

I don’t know what the campaigning laws are like outside of the PAC phenomenon but I’d love to see the ADL, Yad Vashem, SPLC and Planned Parenthood do a bit of the punching.

The Wiesenthal Center weighed in opposing Trump’s ban on Muslims, though I admit I would have liked to have seen a much more forceful statement.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:33:15am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t think that the comparisons are not valid, I just don’t see them as a means of materially helping the case against him right now. It should suffice to point out the damage that DT and his party will do to this country if they are allowed near the White House.

I don’t think it will suffice to run a normal campaign against Trump in the general election. His supporters don’t care about Trump’s lies, blowhard tendencies or deviations from party orthodoxy. Trump is already saying some populist things in the GOP primary (e.g., tax the rich more, stop the job outsourcing) that may let him pick up votes in the general election that a normal GOPer would have no chance of getting. This makesTrump terribly dangerous and hard to predict/poll in the general election.

I agree with GDF that the Democrats need to go all out vs. Trump, and not shy away from making the obvious parallels between Trumpism and fascism/Naziism a part of the campaign.

Trump needs to be branded as a fascist wannabe, and the Republican party needs to be branded as fascism waiting to happen because of its self-propagandized collective delusions. This should be done in addition to all the normal negative campaigning vs. Trump’s lies and stupid blowhard statements.

Given the state of the US media, this may or may not work, but it has to be tried. It would not be acceptable to hold anything back in the fight against Trump and this Republican party.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:34:52am

Granting conservatives respect is something they view as a sign of weakness. These are not good people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:34:54am

re: #79 Targetpractice

The media? They’re totally invested in the spectacle of a Trump nomination now, imagine how much they’re gonna be invested in a Trump presidency? And don’t look to people who spent the 90s engaged in “The Great Penis Hunt”* to come to Hillary’s aid in tearing down the guy they want to see in the White House.

A good horse race is one thing. A President who wants to muzzle the press with stronger libel laws is another issue.

But I do not see the media as being able to look past its short-term interests and quarterly bottom line.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:35:42am

Someone can do one of those “who said it?” quizzes, with quotes from Trump and Hitler.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:39:44am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone can do one of those “who said it?” quizzes, with quotes from Trump and Hitler.

I also wanna see “Who said, it, Trump before 2015 or Trump after 2015?” for two completely contradictory or incongruous statements that originated from his pie hole.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:40:12am

re: #85 Amory Blaine

Granting conservatives respect is something they view as a sign of weakness. These are not good people.

Movement conservatism and the Republican party taken together are a cancer upon the nation. The candidacy of Donald Trump is all the proof one could possibly need that this is indeed a malignancy.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:43:27am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I also wanna see “Who said, it, Trump before 2105 or Trump after 2015?” for two completely contradictory or incongruous statements that originated from his pie hole.

This may be rather pointless. Trump’s supporters don’t care about things like consistency. They want a thug to be in charge to beat up those others.

This is the fascist core of Trump’s campaign, and I think it needs to be confronted directly for what it is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:44:25am

re: #90 EPR-radar

This may be rather pointless. Trump’s supporters don’t care about things like consistency. They want a thug to be in charge to beat up those others.

This is the fascist core of Trump’s campaign, and I think it needs to be confronted directly for what it is.

There are hard-core Trump supporters who do not care about consistency. There are other people who are not fully devoted and apologetic who pay attention to such things.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:45:08am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I also wanna see “Who said, it, Trump before 2105 or Trump after 2015?” for two completely contradictory or incongruous statements that originated from his pie hole.

Shouldn’t be too hard.

Trouble with comparing Hitler’s and Trump’s words — Hitler had a better command of language than Trump does. Trump’s speeches are more like random statements spoken in more or less a cyclical order, with lots of adjectives thrown in.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:49:55am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There are hard-core Trump supporters who do not care about consistency. There are other people who are not fully devoted and apologetic who pay attention to such things.

And there’s the third group which seems to be the biggest in an election year, the people who are willing to overlook flaws in a candidate if they are selling a product that sounds appealing. They’re the “mushy middle” we hear and talk about in election years, the ones who are taken in by populist appeals and campaign promises that the rest of us know will never come true. They’re going to take in “Trump contradicted himself!” in with “Hillary said one thing and then another!,” campaign noise that will be lot in the background.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:59:42am

Ponder this argument a sec: Avoiding bringing up the Hitler parallels and focusing just on how shitty a candidate Trump is not only lets him off light, it lets his supporters off light. If he falls flat on his face in the general election, then they can sweep him off by saying he wasn’t sufficiently dedicated to the cause and go looking for somebody who can actually carry things all the way to the White House. There has to be an absolute line in the sand in our political system, past which you become immediately and irreversibly toxic to the body politic. Else the next guy is just going to pick up where Trump left off and push things until he finds a winning formula. And part of doing that is pointing out that, while Trump may not be serious, the next guy in line very well could be. And that a lot of people didn’t think Hitler was a threat to democracy until that democracy was in shambles.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:09:35am

re: #94 Targetpractice

Ponder this argument a sec: Avoiding bringing up the Hitler parallels and focusing just on how shitty a candidate Trump is not only lets him off light, it lets his supporters off light. If he falls flat on his face in the general election, then they can sweep him off by saying he wasn’t sufficiently dedicated to the cause and go looking for somebody who can actually carry things all the way to the White House. There has to be an absolute line in the sand in our political system, past which you become immediately and irreversibly toxic to the body politic. Else the next guy is just going to pick up where Trump left off and push things until he finds a winning formula. And part of doing that is pointing out that, while Trump may not be serious, the next guy in line very well could be. And that a lot of people didn’t think Hitler was a threat to democracy until that democracy was in shambles.

Hitler got into a position of power, then quickly orchestrated a total takeover of the government, placing himself as supreme leader. The danger with Trump, being the autocratic businessman, is that he’ll try the same thing. He’d run his Cabinet meetings like episodes of the Apprentice, ignore his advisors, and trash international diplomacy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:16:04am

In looking over quotes by Hitler at Wikiquotes, I’m struck by the number of times he refers to Providence and the will of God to justify his actions, or to explain success and failure.

Just a random observation.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:25:29am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Trump fan heard from.

[Embedded content]

Profile: Just another White girl. 14w. Identitarian. Anti-Racailles. Anti-Antifa. Vegan. Rewilding Environmentalist. Pro-Women/Ex-Feminist. NatSoc. No Apologies.

Can we call this one a Nazi?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:35:20am

We just need to travel back in time and kill baby Trump, then.

German short film: “Adolf”re: #97 Decatur Deb

Profile: Just another White girl. 14w. Identitarian. Anti-Racailles. Anti-Antifa. Vegan. Rewilding Environmentalist. Pro-Women/Ex-Feminist. NatSoc. No Apologies.

Can we call this one a Nazi?

Socialism is a left-wing movement, remember? And National means he has no respect for States’ Rights…

/

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BlackPearl  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:43:31am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Profile: Just another White girl. 14w. Identitarian. Anti-Racailles. Anti-Antifa. Vegan. Rewilding Environmentalist. Pro-Women/Ex-Feminist. NatSoc. No Apologies.

Can we call this one a Nazi?

Yup.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:46:58am

re: #75 Alyosha

A while ago (a very short while ago, in fact) the comments like “only Hitler is Hitler”, “there should be no Nazi comparisons whatsoever” etc. were quite popular here, gathered many updings. I understand where this came from, but I’m also glad that that perspective is changing. I think Nazi comparisons should not be a taboo. I like Hillary comparing Putin’s actions in Ukraine to Hitler’s, because it’s true.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:48:13am

re: #77 BlackPearl

Also also, if you make it to Hamburg, drop me a line. Even if you want to meet up in Berlin, I haven’t been in forever and love the city. :) (Hamburg does have an Emigration museum as most of Central Europe emptied out through it in the 19th century - I know ancestry research is an interest of yours. Otherwise, while it’s a really pretty city and seems to get a lot of tourists, I don’t see it as a major tourist stop.)

All true: just don’t visit it in winter. Brrrrr!

;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:52:21am

re: #100 Nyet

A while ago (a very short while ago, in fact) the comments like “only Hitler is Hitler”, “there should be no Nazi comparisons whatsoever” etc. were quite popular here, gathered many updings. I understand where this came from, but I’m also glad that that perspective is changing. I think Nazi comparisons should not be a taboo. I like Hillary comparing Putin’s actions in Ukraine to Hitler’s, because it’s true.

Just keep in mind that Godwining is heavy juju and should not be tossed about lightly - it can backfire, or simply derail and dilute the discussion.

And it is totally lost on people who do not understand that historical parallels and similarities do not constitute historical equivalences.

My main concern with Trump as a nominee is that it would only take one major catastrophe: a terrorist attack or some imported epidemic outbreak, or some natural and/or man-made catastrophe that paralyzes public services and law and order for a large number of people, prompting a state of emergency or martial law.

That would play right into the reactionaries’ hands and give Trump a big boost.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:53:24am

re: #101 Nyet

All true: just don’t visit [Hamburg] in winter. Brrrrr!

;)

Yeah, the Reeperbahn is boring when all the girls are out in ski suits to keep warm…

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:54:31am

re: #100 Nyet

A while ago (a very short while ago, in fact) the comments like “only Hitler is Hitler”, “there should be no Nazi comparisons whatsoever” etc. were quite popular here, gathered many updings. I understand where this came from, but I’m also glad that that perspective is changing. I think Nazi comparisons should not be a taboo. I like Hillary comparing Putin’s actions in Ukraine to Hitler’s, because it’s true.

It’s a bit stingy to resist the comparison until we have a literal Hitler Reborn. I get why overuse has soured folks, especially when various RWers accuse Obama of atrocities equal to that of the Holocaust every. single. day.
But we have a compelling case here. But yeah, in the real world, Putin is more Hitleresque than Trump, who he’d be able to manipulate like Mussolini.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:54:43am

re: #100 Nyet

A while ago (a very short while ago, in fact) the comments like “only Hitler is Hitler”, “there should be no Nazi comparisons whatsoever” etc. were quite popular here, gathered many updings. I understand where this came from, but I’m also glad that that perspective is changing. I think Nazi comparisons should not be a taboo. I like Hillary comparing Putin’s actions in Ukraine to Hitler’s, because it’s true.

Still should be used judiciously. A caterpillar is and is not a moth.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:55:40am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That’s why it’s important to make Trump as toxic as possible, so that he doesn’t win in such an event.

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:56:16am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Still should be used judiciously. A caterpillar is and is not a moth.

I guess it comes down to terms again. Sure, it’s protofascism now. Who wants to wait for the metamorphosis?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:01:12am

re: #107 Alyosha

I guess it comes down to terms again. Sure, it’s protofascism now. Who wants to wait for the metamorphosis?

Trump needs to be squashed on his own merits. I’ll worry about the taxonomy later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:01:12am

re: #104 Alyosha

It’s a bit stingy to resist the comparison until we have a literal Hitler Reborn. I get why overuse has soured folks, especially when various RWers accuse Obama of atrocities equal to that of the Holocaust every. single. day.
But we have a compelling case here. But yeah, in the real world, Putin is more Hitleresque than Trump, who he’d be able to manipulate like Mussolini.

The latter point is totally overlooked in the discussion: Trump is truly clueless in dealing with foreign policy and foreign leaders. Putin would eat him for breakfast.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:04:04am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The latter point is totally overlooked in the discussion: Trump is truly clueless in dealing with foreign policy and foreign leaders. Putin would eat him for breakfast.

And I think, Bernie too.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:06:59am
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:07:24am

BTW, forgot to post this: the Holocaust denier Bradley Smith kicked the bucket:

blog.adl.org

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:08:11am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Still should be used judiciously. A caterpillar is and is not a moth.

Well Trump is a caterpillar.

Ergo, something…
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:08:24am

He’s never been the “brain” of the movement, but he managed some important infrastructure, like CODOH.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:10:58am

re: #111 Tigger2

A disqualifying & disgusting response by @realDonaldTrump to the KKK. His coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.

says the man who hired Chris Kobach as campaign manager…

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:11:23am

re: #113 Alyosha

So that’s what a slithy tove looks like.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:12:08am

re: #116 Nyet

So that’s what a slithy tove looks like.

no wabe!

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Alyosha  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:15:27am

Well, I’m out.
Amped for tomorrow/today. Without taking sides, may the best woman win!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:16:41am

re: #116 Nyet

So that’s what a slithy tove looks like.

Damn. Been saying/spelling that wrong for 60 years.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:17:17am

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Jesus, even when this flu is over it’s not over. Still coughing up lung butter and my head feels like it’s somewhere in the benthic zone.

It doesn’t seem fair that even though you got this year’s flu shot you got such a bad flu anyway. If there even is such a things as relatively worse flus. Maybe you just got a normal flu.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:17:45am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Damn. Been saying/spelling that wrong for 60 years.

How?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:18:27am

re: #118 Alyosha

Well, I’m out.
Amped for tomorrow/today. Without taking sides, may the best woman win!

I have no classes tomorrow, so I can be a political junkie all day. China is 12 hours ahead of Eastern Time, so while I’m sleeping, American will be voting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:19:17am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have no classes tomorrow, so I can be a political junkie all day. China is 12 hours ahead of Eastern Time, so while I’m sleeping, American will be voting.

I gotta wait until the wee hours in Europe for election results…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:19:39am

re: #121 Nyet

How?

“Trove”, as in a hidden found treasure. Some nun has a lot to answer for.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:20:44am

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

Frank is 1000% right. Trump will drift left and start talking populist ideas. He’s a celebrity who knows how to work a crowd. He’s already mentioned healthcare in a positive light. Same with PPA. The right conrinues to support him. All but the religious true believers (who aren’t old bigots, because bigotry beats out God even with the old religious folks.

Then everyone will see stuff like this.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:24:25am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

“Trove”, as in a hidden treasure. Some nun has a lot to answer for.

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves,
and the mome rath outgrabe.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:26:07am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have no classes tomorrow, so I can be a political junkie all day. China is 12 hours ahead of Eastern Time, so while I’m sleeping, American will be voting.

Wife has offered sexual favors in return for a Bernie vote today.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:26:29am

re: #126 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogoves,
and the mome rath outgrabe.

raths

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:27:10am

re: #125 MsJ

Frank is 1000% right. Trump will drift left and start talking populist ideas. He’s a celebrity who knows how to work a crowd. He’s already mentioned healthcare in a positive light. Same with PPA. The right conrinues to support him. All but the religious true believers (who aren’t old bigots, because bigotry beats out God even with the old religious folks.

Then everyone will see stuff like this.

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Look at Trump trying to steal candy out of that kids mouth. //

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:31:16am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I don’t think that the comparisons are not valid, I just don’t see them as a means of materially helping the case against him right now. It should suffice to point out the damage that DT and his party will do to this country if they are allowed near the White House.

There are so many people who firmly believe the Fox News bullshit; we’re going to have all of ISIS raining down hell on us, the economy sucks!!!11!!!, Democrats want to tax and spend you into oblivion, etc.

Trump is a brand. A brand built on bullshit but a brand that people think of wealth and business acumen and success. John Oliver delivered it up the best way possible.

We need to destroy that brand. Nuke it and grind it into ash and bury it. Show it for what it is; smoke and mirrors. The Trump name needs to be so damaged that people laugh at it. No one else loses money because they bought into the bullshit brand. No one loses anything but the liar that is Trump. His name needs to become what it is, a one word meaning of Liar, much like how Ponzi and Madoff are.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:32:08am

re: #128 Nyet

raths

Right. I was typing from memory.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:32:19am

Here’s some scary shit to contemplate: Suppose someone like Ted Cruz had preempted Trump by taking control of the crazy train at the beginning? Suppose it was Cruz out there, screaming that Mexicans are rapists and Muslims terrorists and he’s gonna build a huge wall. Would we be sitting here and arguing that the best way to defeat him is to point out that he’s never held elected office and contradicts himself? Because that’s the danger down the road, that somebody who actually does hold elected office and does have a history of saying shit like this will get out there and tap into the vein of lunacy that Trump is presently exploiting.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:37:03am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A good horse race is one thing. A President who wants to muzzle the press with stronger libel laws is another issue.

But I do not see the media as being able to look past its short-term interests and quarterly bottom line.

There is no media. There are various profit centers pretending to be media. Trump is Comcasr, Fox, et al. They want profits. Exactly which outlet is going to give enough of a shit about actual reporting?

“A list of all of Trump lies. You’ll never believe #4!”

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:38:20am
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:39:28am

I frankly do wonder if Trump ran on a bet. “Hold my 1811 Chateau d’Yquem and watch this”.

One reason I’m unwilling to call him a bona fide fascist at this point is that I’m not sure that his quasi-fascist rhetoric is what he actually believes and would do, considering his previous record. The man is a political Proteus. There is also a chance that he would abandon the more extreme parts of his rhetoric in case he did became President. To emphasize: certainly, I don’t want to find that out, some bets should not be taken; so AFAIC his rhetoric should be treated as if he means every word (hence the Nazi comparisons are adequate).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:40:22am

re: #125 MsJ

Frank is 1000% right. Trump will drift left and start talking populist ideas. He’s a celebrity who knows how to work a crowd.

You are 1000²% correct on that point, and I fear that none of the major media outlets will have the nerve to call him out on it because it would ruin the horse race.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:43:41am

10th in line when the polling place opened (in MA). 1st time voter in front of me got a standing ovation from the poll workers. He was unenrolled and pulled a (D) ballot.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:48:19am

Feb. 29 is Superman’s birthday. A piece of trivia I either had forgotten, or never knew.

Given his approximate age when he first made his comic book appearance in 1938, Superman would now be over 100 years old, or 25, depending on how you count the birthdays.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:48:28am

re: #137 Franklin

10th in line when the polling place opened (in MA). 1st time voter in front of me got a standing ovation from the poll workers. He was unenrolled and pulled a (D) ballot.

no spoilers!!!

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:48:40am

An good explanation of what all the Stimulus package did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:51:09am

re: #140 Tigger2

An good explanation of what all the Stimulus package did.

An argument wasted on all those who are convinced that government does nothing but hinter and interfere with Free Enterprise.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:51:39am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You are 100% correct on that point, and I fear that none of the major media outlets will have the nerve to call him out on it because it would ruin the horse race.

I rally wanted to be 1000% right. Rats! :-)

It’s actually beyond just horse race. The media is run by mega corporations which will thrive nicely under businessman “Americans make too much in wages” Trump. They actually have a vested interest beyond the immediate future.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:51:41am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

An argument wasted on all those who are convinced that government does nothing but hinter and interfere with Free Enterprise.

None of them here lol. Well maybe one. And I’m sure some lurkers.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 4:57:42am

Instagram

Sunken plane in Ottawa Canada photograph by| @szetoszeto

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:04:38am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

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Looks like it’s in pretty shallow water it can’t be to old of a crash. unless it drifted. Wish there was some back story.

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CleverToad  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:06:23am

re: #140 Tigger2

An good explanation of what all the Stimulus package did.

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ARRA (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) got me a job in 2009. I started working for a company that administered COBRA, and needed additional people to deal with the large uptick in layoffs and with the ARRA subsidy that helped laid-off workers get a huge break on their medical insurance costs. With coverage for a family on COBRA running from $1000-$2000 per MONTH — and pre-existing conditions still a major problem pre-ACA — that was a literal lifesaver. I hope some of the people who were helped remember that.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:08:26am

re: #137 Franklin

10th in line when the polling place opened (in MA). 1st time voter in front of me got a standing ovation from the poll workers. He was unenrolled and pulled a (D) ballot.

IS HE A MEXICAN??

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:09:14am

re: #146 CleverToad

ARRA (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) got me a job in 2009. I started working for a company that administered COBRA, and needed additional people to deal with the large uptick in layoffs and with the ARRA subsidy that helped laid-off workers get a huge break on their medical insurance costs. With coverage for a family on COBRA running from $1000-$2000 per MONTH — and pre-existing conditions still a major problem pre-ACA — that was a literal lifesaver. I hope some of the people who were helped remember that.

OK, yes, but besides that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

/

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:09:45am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

An argument wasted on all those who are convinced that government does nothing but hinter and interfere with Free Enterprise.

If only there was some method to break through the ignorance. The million dollar question, how to have a dialogue with people who rely on opinion vs facts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:13:14am

re: #149 Ming5000

If only there was some method to break through the ignorance. The million dollar question, how to have a dialogue with people who rely on opinion vs facts.

Rather, the problem is these people believe opinions *are* facts, and actual facts are unimportant.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:13:37am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Profile: Just another White girl. 14w. Identitarian. Anti-Racailles. Anti-Antifa. Vegan. Rewilding Environmentalist. Pro-Women/Ex-Feminist. NatSoc. No Apologies.

Can we call this one a Nazi?

14w? Can someone translate?

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:13:52am

re: #146 CleverToad

ARRA (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) got me a job in 2009. I started working for a company that administered COBRA, and needed additional people to deal with the large uptick in layoffs and with the ARRA subsidy that helped laid-off workers get a huge break on their medical insurance costs. With coverage for a family on COBRA running from $1000-$2000 per MONTH — and pre-existing conditions still a major problem pre-ACA — that was a literal lifesaver. I hope some of the people who were helped remember that.

Unless they were directly impacted by the ARRA, as you were, they will likely remember the abject failure as repeated daily by all the usual suspects…which pretty well summarizes the entirety of the Obama presidency. The right did nothing but block, obstruct and lie. Unless something personally impacted a person, they don’t have any knowledge other than what someone else said.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:14:39am

re: #145 Tigger2

Looks like it’s in pretty shallow water it can’t be to old of a crash. unless it drifted. Wish there was some back story.

Nice observations. I did some quick homework. I believe it’s a quarry designed for SCUBA diving: neptune-scuba.info

edit: Yes, it’s Morrison’s Quarry: facebook.com

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:14:46am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:15:59am

re: #149 Ming5000

If only there was some method to break through the ignorance. The million dollar question, how to have a dialogue with people who rely on opinion vs facts.

Unless you teach elementary school, don’t bother. Theoretically, Darwin will take care of them. Focus on getting the majority of people who often rely on facts to act on them.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:16:31am

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rather, the problem is these people believe opinions *are* facts, and actual facts are unimportant.

So what breaks the fever?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:16:37am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

14w? Can someone translate?

adl.org

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:17:17am

re: #154 Tigger2

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:17:37am

“Identitarian”

Subset of Idiotarians.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:17:40am

There seems to be a bad infection in Columbus today. TRUMP® is landing soon and going to do his dumb shtick routine in a hanger at the airport.

Fuck the Orange Grunge…get his big butt outta here!

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:18:39am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Unless you teach elementary school, don’t bother. Theoretically, Darwin will take care of them. Focus on getting the majority of people who often rely on facts to act on them.

Good point. The apathy is another problem, but one that can be affected.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:18:41am

Sorta creepy:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:19:47am

re: #157 Decatur Deb

adl.org

Thanks

Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:20:38am

re: #156 Ming5000

So what breaks the fever?

Kill or cure…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:22:14am

re: #84 EPR-radar

“I agree with GDF that the Democrats need to go all out vs. Trump, and not shy away from making the obvious parallels between Trumpism and fascism/Naziism a part of the campaign.”

Agreed. Why hold back in the general? Everything should be on the table to emphasize how horrible Trump would be as a President. It’s crazy that we’ve gotten so far that someone like Trump is even a viable candidate. Just shows how far down the Republican Party has fallen.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:22:19am

re: #147 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

IS HE A MEXICAN??

He was not white I can tell you that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:22:58am

re: #156 Ming5000

So what breaks the fever?

See deb’s #155.

These people have their minds set in concrete. They believe whatever they’ve been told by a panoply of right wing/religious right sources. They believe that Muslims and Mexicans are real threats, that the USA is going down the crapper, that no one respects the USA anymore, that we’re weak on ISIS, that Obama is a Muslim/Kenyan/commie/usurper. None of these statements is in fact objectively true, but you can’t convince them of such.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:29:17am

re: #146 CleverToad

ARRA (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) got me a job in 2009. I started working for a company that administered COBRA, and needed additional people to deal with the large uptick in layoffs and with the ARRA subsidy that helped laid-off workers get a huge break on their medical insurance costs. With coverage for a family on COBRA running from $1000-$2000 per MONTH — and pre-existing conditions still a major problem pre-ACA — that was a literal lifesaver. I hope some of the people who were helped remember that.

It provided for the extra training needed that got Mr BWS the really great job that he has now (and he was an unemployed over-50 worker at the time). We certainly will not forget what a wonderful thing ARRA did for us.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:32:58am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

It provided for the extra training needed that got Mr BWS the really great job that he has now (and he was an unemployed over-50 worker at the time). We certainly will not forget what a wonderful thing ARRA did for us.

All those people whose power he’s reconnected would be grateful, too, I bet.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:34:16am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

All those people whose power he’s reconnected would be grateful, too, I bet.

And the KY/Fed tax collectors, to close the loop.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:35:06am
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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:35:12am

It’s only a matter of time before Trump starts wearing and displaying the Confederate Rag.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:36:13am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Profile: Just another White girl. 14w. Identitarian. Anti-Racailles. Anti-Antifa. Vegan. Rewilding Environmentalist. Pro-Women/Ex-Feminist. NatSoc. No Apologies.

Can we call this one a Nazi?

Reminded me of Verohnika Clark, the founder of “Adolf Hitler Research Society”, a literal Feminazi, if you will. When you love Hitler, deny the Holocaust, blast “tradcons” for misogyny and “whites and Jews” for genocide of Native Americans, there is a lot going on in your head.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:36:18am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

And the KY/Fed tax collectors, to close the loop.

LOL! We pay more in state/fed income taxes now than we actually made during the Bush years. I don’t begrudge the fact at all (although I would like to see more of my tax dollars used for infrastructure and social programs).

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Jayleia  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:37:30am

re: #151 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Fourteen Words slogan…

6Jzi1nlh4k4t7PtkCElDa7gPrWbGlHVTcaalpt4FBRUmwOxcKLiA+tUbZobI04BeMKPu3MvB8hZVwYBBvY7lCgwULh9KtYRRlBjqFo3iHRcr4GzU6yWyBA==

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:37:42am

So, when I went to sleep last night the big hummer police chase had come to a standstill.
Wake up to learn that the guy somehow managed to get away on foot and they are still looking for him.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:38:13am

re: #171 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Hmm, so he appeals to racists of all skin tones…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:38:46am

re: #173 Nyet

Reminded me of Verohnika Clark, the founder of “Adolf Hitler Research Society”, a literal Feminazi, if you will. When you love Hitler, deny the Holocaust, blast “tradcons” for misogyny and “whites and Jews” for genocide of Native Americans, there is a lot going on in your head.

Must be fun on a date.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:38:47am

re: #172 Dr. Matt

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It’s only a matter of time before Trump starts wearing and displaying the Confederate Rag.

It is not illegal or forbidden.

Just tasteless…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:42:19am

someone else is sad:

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:45:20am

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Must be fun on a date.

She’s also a cosplayer and a Tokio Hotel fan, so there’s that.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:46:23am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

I read that facebook thread linked to earlier… it was fucking creepy. The Berniebots there were a bunch of entitled crybabies.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:46:27am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! We pay more in state/fed income taxes now than we actually made during the Bush years. I don’t begrudge the fact at all (although I would like to see more of my tax dollars used for infrastructure and social programs).

The city used to give abandoned inner-city lots to our Habitat affiliate (till they ran out). When local RWs bitched about that, and our “free” houses, I would tell them we were turning a city maintenance cost into taxed property owners. Sometimes that made them happy.

(For the record, Habitat houses are not free. Owners pay the real costs of construction, but get a break on ‘Biblical’ (no interest) mortgages.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:47:23am

re: #165 Patricia Kayden

If I were Hillary, I’d address him as “Mr. Mussolini Jr. over there” during the debates.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:48:23am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone else is sad:

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A totally political decision.
She sees what’s going to happen and doesn’t want to be on board a sinking ship.
/FREAKOUT

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:50:37am

re: #185 Not a Sparkly Vampire

A totally political decision.
She sees what’s going to happen and doesn’t want to be on board a sinking ship.
/FREAKOUT

And she knows that she doesn’t yet have adequate public service experience. She has a narrow window between “too green” and “too old”.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:51:26am

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:52:32am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone else is sad:

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This comment below from the Salon piece is exactly why I call myself a Democrat and not a Progressive or Liberal.

“Don’t count on the majority of Sanders supporters shifting their vote to Clinton IF she is the nominee. Many will do write-ins or Green Party(or not vote) and unfortunately, many will go to Trump, if he is the nominee.”

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:52:48am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone else is sad:

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Ah yes, the “progressivism cannot fail, it can only be failed” stage of the program. They realize Bernie is going down in flames, so now they’re trying to argue that their politics are not blame, their chosen unicorn is for not running and leaving them stuck with trying to pretty up a mule.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:52:57am

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

Truth be told, Bernie is clueless in many things, but I think there’s a pragmatic core in him, so he would break quite a lot of BernieBro hearts. He wouldn’t be a revolutionary.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:53:27am

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

Exactly. Think of how President Obama is considered a pinko-commie-liberal-socialist. And we know that isn’t close to true.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:54:03am

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

Probably true, but I’m still motivated to vote for him in today’s primary.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:56:16am

re: #172 Dr. Matt

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It’s only a matter of time before Trump starts wearing and displaying the Confederate Rag.

He’ll only wear it while he is trying to get votes in the Southern states.

This guy may be the most pandering American ‘politician’ ever. He uses the media, political and public people and symbols to play on the worst characteristics of humans then after his need is fulfilled it is “get out of here, your plane is over there.”

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:56:28am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:56:47am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

And she knows that she doesn’t yet have adequate public service experience. She has a narrow window between “too green” and “too old”.

She just got into elected office in 2012. Warren is someone I genuinely do appreciate but to claim she hurt the progressive cause is a load of crap. If the progressive wing of the party wants to succeed, they need to stop having all their ideas on people and actually start acting like a movement.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:56:57am

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

It will have to start changing from the Local and State Government up, not the President down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:57:34am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone else is sad:

Thanks for nothing, Elizabeth Warren: How the Democratic rock star missed her chance, hurt the progressive agenda

I saw that article. Ms Warren had her reasons for not running, and we have to respect them. Not like it is an easy thing to undertake. What a buncha whiny weenies.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:58:07am

Could Gun Nuts be Lead Poisoned?
Speaking of disassociation from reality, the topic of actual mental illness has cropped up when trying to comprehend the RWNJ.
One interesting point that I have seen brought up is lead poisoning due to gun ranges and proximity to high levels of lead from expended bullets.

But a hidden risk lies within almost all of America’s estimated 10,000 gun ranges. When shooters fire guns with lead-based ammunition, they spread lead vapor and dust, insidious toxins.

Thousands of people, including workers, shooters and their family members, have been contaminated at shooting ranges due to poor ventilation and contact with lead-coated surfaces, a Seattle Times investigation has found.

Lead poisoning symptoms in adults (Mayo Clinic. Bold is added by me)

Although children are primarily at risk, lead poisoning is also dangerous for adults. Signs and symptoms in adults may include:

High blood pressure
Abdominal pain
Constipation
Joint pains
Muscle pain
Declines in mental functioning
Pain, numbness or tingling of the extremities
Headache
Memory loss
Mood disorders
Reduced sperm count, abnormal sperm
Miscarriage or premature birth in pregnant women

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:58:55am

re: #187 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Here’s a sad, but true, fact.
The country is not ready for a progressive like Bernie. It just isn’t. Too radical a change too quickly. Electing him now may cause more harm than good for the progressive movement.
This shit has to be done incrementally, no matter how frustrating it may be.

In an ideal world, Bernie would be my candidate. But then again, in a truly ideal world, we would not need a Bernie to straighten things out…

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:59:33am

What this is now is the “it’s not the message, it’s the messenger” excuse-making that happens after every election. That Bernie didn’t fail because his message is without substance and too far past what most people are comfortable with, it’s that he wasn’t the messenger that the progressives wanted in the first place. They wanted Warren, but they had to settle for Bernie.

That rather puts the lie to the months of insisting that the “revolution” was here, millions of Americans liked what Bernie was selling, and they’d run anybody who opposed out of Congress at the first opportunity.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 5:59:53am

re: #198 Ming5000

Could Gun Nuts be Lead Poisoned?
Speaking of disassociation from reality, the topic of actual mental illness has cropped up when trying to comprehend the RWNJ.
One interesting point that I have seen brought up is lead poisoning due to gun ranges and proximity to high levels of lead from expended bullets.

That could in fact be why the NRA opposes background checks based on mental illness. I actually now that I think about it think there’s a lot of validity to this theory.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:01:06am

re: #200 Targetpractice

What this is now is the “it’s not the message, it’s the messenger” excuse-making that happens after every election. That Bernie didn’t fail because his message is without substance and too far past what most people are comfortable with, it’s that he wasn’t the messenger that the progressives wanted in the first place. They wanted Warren, but they had to settle for Bernie.

That rather puts the lie to the months of insisting that the “revolution” was here, millions of Americans liked what Bernie was selling, and they’d run anybody who opposed out of Congress at the first opportunity.

And if Warren failed, they’d make an excuse there. I hate to say it but there really is an element on the left that resembles that part of the right that thinks its ideology can only be failed but never fail.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:03:56am

Speaking of Nazis and paradoxes, I’ve just learned that the notorious Holocaust denier, CODOH forum moderator Jonnie ‘Hannover’ Hargis (I wrote about him previously) married a fairly prominent Peruvian cinema historian Violeta Núñez Gorritti:

Facebook Post

Facebook Post

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:05:00am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

someone else is sad:

I think the person misspelled purity as progressive.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:05:06am

You know, I have nothing against senators running for office but I’d like a little more time spent in the Senate. That’s not a knock on Hillary or Bernie by the way but more an observation in general. I like Senator Warren a lot but she’s got only four years worth of elected experience. It’s pretty funny to think that in 1960 JFK was seen as unqualified but he came into Congress the same year Nixon did and went into the Senate around the same time. A 14 year old Congressional veteran now a days would been seen as qualified and with 8 years in the Senate to boot.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:05:24am

re: #198 Ming5000

Could Gun Nuts be Lead Poisoned?
Speaking of disassociation from reality, the topic of actual mental illness has cropped up when trying to comprehend the RWNJ.
One interesting point that I have seen brought up is lead poisoning due to gun ranges and proximity to high levels of lead from expended bullets.

These fellows, the former Army Environmental Health Agency, have chapter and verse on that. They and their Army Corps of Engineers counterparts oversee the western world’s busiest indoor and outdoor ranges. You can get a lot of their stuff online.

en.wikipedia.org

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:05:40am

So, this is the photo for the headline article on CNN.

We all know Trump uses spray-on tan. But what is it with his puffy eyes?

That can’t be a good sign. For anyone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:06:42am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Government only corrupts. We need someone who has never held elective office but knows how to run a company (into the ground!)

/

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:07:21am

re: #207 GlutenFreeJesus

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So, this is the photo for the headline article on CNN.

We all know Trump uses spray-on tan. But is it with his puffy eyes?

That can’t be a good sign. For anyone.

Pretty sure those are gills.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:07:29am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

If I were Hillary, I’d address him as “Mr. Mussolini Jr. over there” during the debates.

Benito Trumpolini

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:07:45am

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Government only corrupts. We need someone who has never held elective office but knows how to run a company (into the ground!)

/

Oh yeah the other extreme sucks too where elected experience is made out to be a negative i.e. the Trumps and Carsons of the world.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:08:32am

Let the caterwauling begin by the GOP. They’re still working towards the 5th stage - acceptance of Trump as their nominee. Some wont do so until November, but we’re seeing it get ugly.

Frankly, the GOP needs this. They have spent the better part of the past decade promoting anger, fear, hate, and obstructionism as the core to their policy. Take any major policy - okay, let’s focus on Obamacare. The GOP hates it with a white hot intensity even though the core features are all right wing think tank inventions (Heritage came up with the individual mandate and only came around to claim it unconstitutional once Obama co-opted it to try and woo Republicans to get on board with the plan).

They’ve spent every year since 2009 trying to repeal it, pushing countless court cases with dangerous interpretations of law to do so. The Supreme Court managed to uphold the law, though it also gave states an opt-out, which meant millions fewer Americans are insured as a result of the law.

The GOP has had years to identify, promote, and score an alternative bill and has failed to do so. They have no plan to replace Obamacare, only to repeal it.

And all those failed efforts have only gotten the base even more angry and full of hate (even though it’s a vote against self-interest).

On and on it goes.

But this election has brought out all the right wing extremists. Anti Semitism. Racism. Bigotry. Homophobia. Islamophobia. Xenophobia. Nativism.

All of it - and all of it coalescing around Trump, though Cruz and Rubio are each bringing their own brand of hate (call it hate-lite, but it is hate nonetheless).

Conservatives like NRO are wringing their hands over Trump but it’s more about style than substance given NRO’s own history promoting racists and hatemongers on their site.

Of course, others are starting to notice the hornets nest of hate that Trump’s kicked over, as anyone who questions Trump’s racist statements or tries to hold him accountable are hit with tweets about how they’re promoting a multicultural agenda, are traitors to the race, are Jew-lovers, etc. In other words, all the white supremacists, hate mongers, Neo Nazis, racists (yeah, I’m repeating myself, but it is important enough to repeat) are coming out to defend Trump even though these statements are undeniably and factually true. This is not opinion here.

Trump approvingly quotes fascists. He approvingly quotes racists and white supremacists (whose Twitter handles are giveaways that they are racists or white supremacists). He goes out of his way to do so.

His policies are racist and full of hate - and it traces back to the opening days of his campaign - attacking Megyn Kelly was misogynistic, followed up with the anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican policies (claiming Mexico is shipping rapists and murderers to the US, that Muslims must be banned from entry to the US, including Muslim-Americans, etc.)

It’s 2016, and we’re watching a party in thrall with a proto-fascist hatemonger.

That’s the GOP for you. And the GOP alternatives are only different in name only - the promote the same outcomes only that they’ve packaged it more slickly.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:08:46am

Watching CNN, they keep showing this loop of The Donald speaking somewhere with two African Americans behind him, presumably supporters.

Subliminal attempt by Trump to appear not-racist? Just a random clip?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:08:47am

What really bothers me are those who say they’ll never vote for HRC but will vote for Trump.
Awah???

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:09:21am

re: #214 Not a Sparkly Vampire

What really bothers me are those who say they’ll never vote for HRC but will vote for Trump.
Awah???

Yeah, makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?

/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:09:39am

re: #214 Not a Sparkly Vampire

What really bothers me are those who say they’ll never vote for HRC but will vote for Trump.
Awah???

Yeah what in the name of fuck?

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:10:00am

Here’s a good diary from Daily Kos: Dear White Progressives, “…”, Regards, A Black Woman. The middle paragraph:

Some feel like they are losing power. That we are gaining it at their expense. Well, I have to tell you, quite frankly, that that power should have NEVER rested solely in their hands in the first place, at OUR expense.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:10:40am

What a gutless weasel.

No offense to actual weasels.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:10:48am

The only dem I’d have trouble voting for in the general would’ve been Webb. Freaking prick.
I’d still vote for him though.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:12:20am

re: #206 Decatur Deb

These fellows, the former Army Environmental Health Agency, have chapter and verse on that. They and their Army Corps of Engineers counterparts oversee the western world’s busiest indoor and outdoor ranges. You can get a lot of their stuff online.

en.wikipedia.org

The gun range lead danger does seem to be a well know thing. Not to pile on to the RWNJ antipathy for regulations and enforcement of BUSINESS (from the same Seattle Times article):

Lead poisoning is a major threat at America’s shooting ranges, perpetuated by owners who’ve repeatedly violated laws even after workers have fallen painfully ill.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:12:41am

re: #219 Not a Sparkly Vampire

The only dem I’d have trouble voting for in the general would’ve been Webb. Freaking prick.
I’d still vote for him though.

I consider Webb a Republican, from some of the stuff he said in the debate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:13:25am

re: #213 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Watching CNN, they keep showing this loop of The Donald speaking somewhere with two African Americans behind him, presumably supporters.

Subliminal attempt by Trump to appear not-racist? Just a random clip?

They could be Secret Service detail.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:13:29am

re: #219 Not a Sparkly Vampire

The only dem I’d have trouble voting for in the general would’ve been Webb. Freaking prick.
I’d still vote for him though.

Webb reminds me of those “democrats” that go on Fox news to smear actual Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:13:31am

re: #219 Not a Sparkly Vampire

The only dem I’d have trouble voting for in the general would’ve been Webb. Freaking prick.
I’d still vote for him though.

And we were his constituents no less. I never liked Webb all that much. No way I’d vote for Allen but I had a bad vibe about Webb in 2006. I am glad he ended up beating Allen of course.

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Kent Dorfman  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:13:31am

re: #198 Ming5000

You would need to include every single active police officer in the United States.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:13:44am

re: #218 Dr. Matt

CNN: Greg Abbott “doesn’t know” if Republicans should disavow KKK support - YouTube t.co
— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx)

Ah, the Know-Nothing response.

Sort of equivalent to the Hey We’re Just Asking Questions response.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:14:03am

re: #221 Tigger2

I consider Webb a Republican.

He was then switched parties.
I think he wants the Dems to be his ideal ‘Republican’ party.
But, yeah. Good thing he got no where.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:14:37am

re: #213 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Watching CNN, they keep showing this loop of The Donald speaking somewhere with two African Americans behind him, presumably supporters.

Subliminal attempt by Trump to appear not-racist? Just a random clip?

He had four young AA men behind him at Valdosta yesterday.
None of them looked particularly thrilled to be there.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:14:40am

re: #221 Tigger2

I consider Webb a Republican.

That’s because he was one for a long time. What rubbed me the wrong way about Webb in 2006 and his seeking the Senate seat was he had done nothing to establish himself in Democratic circles. He’s also a prick as Varek said.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:15:34am

re: #227 Not a Sparkly Vampire

He was then switched parties.
I think he wants the Dems to be his ideal ‘Republican’ party.
But, yeah. Good thing he got no where.

He’d be better served pulling the Republican party to the left.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:15:48am

Ah, George.
How do you feel about us ‘non Virginians’ now???
/Bam!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:15:58am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:16:22am

re: #220 Ming5000

The gun range lead danger does seem to be a well know thing. Not to pile on to the RWNJ antipathy for regulations and enforcement of BUSINESS (from the same Seattle Times article):

Yup. Managing a range properly is horribly expensive, especially old designs. Army actually does recover some of the costs by contracting recovery of industrial quantities of lead and copper (when those markets are up).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:17:49am

re: #226 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ah, the Know-Nothing response.

Sort of equivalent to the Hey We’re Just Asking Questions response.

The GOP is turning into the No-Nothing Party

With Sergeant Schultz as party chairman

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:18:48am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

Webb reminds me of those “democrats” that go on Fox news to smear actual Democrats.

What pisses me off about Webb is that the Democratic Party threw a lot of support his way including a then Senator Obama and Webb quits after one term saying he’s bored (fine) and then a few years later he’s seeking the presidency and bashing the party? The party never left Jim Webb, Jim Webb honestly never cared much for the party. I think Varek’s idea that he wants the Democrats to be what he wants the Republican Party to be is a spot on observation.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:18:53am

re: #232 GlutenFreeJesus

THANK YOU….I just went looking for that but couldn’t find it!

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:19:18am

re: #225 Kent Dorfman

You would need to include every single active police officer in the United States.

You would have to include everyone who uses a gun range. I don’t go to gun ranges often so I do not know, but is there active lead dust mitigation in use? I assume things like positive pressure on the shooter side of the range (indoor), fans…. I don’t know.

This is another case of a well known risk, yet many potential victims are left out to dry

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:20:40am

re: #232 GlutenFreeJesus

“We are not amused.”

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:22:48am

re: #238 Nyet

“We are not amused.”

No, not one bit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:23:13am

re: #231 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Ah, George.
How do you feel about us ‘non Virginians’ now???
/Bam!

The thing that pissed me off most about the “Macaca” incident was the kid he was attacking was a Virginian through and through. Don’t get me wrong. The slur was ugly as hell but I did not like the way he tried to act like that Indian-American student was not really a Virginian because of his skin color which I guess goes with the slur but also the “Welcome to the real world of Virginia.” George himself of course is from Irvine and only used the obsession this area has with the Redskins to get into office in the first place.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:24:19am

re: #237 Ming5000

You would have to include everyone who uses a gun range. I don’t go to gun ranges often so I do not know, but is there active lead dust mitigation in use? I assume things like positive pressure on the shooter side of the range (indoor), fans…. I don’t know.

This is another case of a well known risk, yet many potential victims are left out to dry

Good start on all Army lead exposure here, if that’s up your alley. Warning: It’s a huge pdf:

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:24:25am

re: #217 Belafon

Here’s a good diary from Daily Kos: Dear White Progressives, “…”, Regards, A Black Woman. The middle paragraph:

The comments. Damn.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:24:32am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:24:50am

The funny thing is I probably like and respect John Warner, a Republican more than I do Jim Webb at this point in time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:25:17am

re: #243 MsJ

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Nah I missed it. Thanks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:25:40am
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:25:51am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

The guy wrote this article praising Scalia for his stance on civil liberties, of all things:

salon.com

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:25:59am

re: #242 Not a Sparkly Vampire

The comments. Damn.

I skimmed a few, and replied to a couple.

Tonight, when I’m home, I’ll write them a diary about the attacks on Warren for not endorsing Sanders. I’m thinking of a title along the lines of “You might be a BernieBro if you attack Elizabeth Warren.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:26:32am

I’m catching up on some things from downstairs. This tweet, in particular:

“Secular postmodernism” is the bane of Fundamental Christianity, since the Fundies understand it to mean “morality is relative,” rather than absolute. It’s a misunderstanding of the philosophical concept of relativism, but no matter, because Trump is a walking example of “secular postmodernism.” That Sessions believes Trump will combat it is just plain ludicrous.

So, Sessions is yet another Religious Right figure who has sold his soul to the Devil (The Donald) in hopes of some benefits in the temporal world.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:26:58am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Didn’t intend for that .pdf to autoload. If it’s causing resource problems, I’ll kill it.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:27:01am

re: #214 Not a Sparkly Vampire

What really bothers me are those who say they’ll never vote for HRC but will vote for Trump.
Awah???

Berning down the house so they can rebuild it with a Real True Progressive.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:27:09am

re: #247 Nyet

The guy wrote this article praising Scalia for his stance on civil liberties, of all things:

salon.com

There’s acknowledgment and appreciation. I can’t appreciate anyone who says they would have voted to uphold segregation. I can acknowledge that Scalia had some blind squirrel moments. That make any sense?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:27:48am

re: #251 MsJ

Berning down the house so they can rebuild it with a Real True Progressive.

Sigh…It’s like Nader all over again.
They. Never. Learn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:29:40am

re: #182 Nyet

I read that facebook thread linked to earlier… it was fucking creepy. The Berniebots there were a bunch of entitled crybabies.

Just saw this in my TL:

good grief.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:29:42am

You know they can bitch about the party machinery all they want but the fact of the matter is Bernie has not been a Democrat for much of his elected career. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that. I’m just saying don’t bitch about the party machinery in a party you’ve never done much for in the first place and then seek its nomination and act surprised if they favor someone who has done a lot. Shit, I hate to sound hyperbolic but I’ve probably done more for Democratic Party candidates than Bernie has and I haven’t been active in Democratic politics for 5 years now.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:29:44am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

There’s acknowledgment and appreciation. I can’t appreciate anyone who says they would have voted to uphold segregation. I can acknowledge that Scalia had some blind squirrel moments. That make any sense?

That only means that he had a tiny libertarian streak on certain pet issues. Ron Paul would have shared these positions, and so what? (Not disagreeing with you, just elaborating.)

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:29:50am

re: #57 Targetpractice

I think a lot of us knew this would eventually happen. Warren was the person the emoprogs were counting on to take them to the Promised Land and she (smartly) declined to run this year and instead focus on the work she can accomplish in the Senate. So having her dub Bernie as her champion would be the next best thing in their minds, which is why they’re mobbing her in an effort to get her endorsement for him.

Which is likely to have the opposite effect of the one they seek, but such logic is lost on those high on “PURITY NOW!!1”. To such a person, Senator Warren must endorse Senator Sanders or be marked down as a Worthless DINO and a Rebellious Jezebel.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:30:42am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly, pretty typical comments.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:31:11am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw this in my TL:

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good grief.

Why does she owe Bernie an endorsement? Did Bernie campaign for her against Scott Brown in 2012? Bernie has had for much of his career a very safe seat and he’s done little to help Democrats.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:31:50am

I hope Warren endorses Hillary just to spite the BernieBros ;)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:31:58am

re: #256 Nyet

That only means that he had a tiny libertarian streak on certain pet issues. Ron Paul would have shared these positions, and so what? (Not disagreeing with you, just elaborating.)

Right.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:32:06am

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Secular postmodernism” is the bane of Fundamental Christianity, since the Fundies understand it to mean “morality is relative,” rather than absolute. It’s a misunderstanding of the philosophical concept of relativism

Yeah, probably the most annoying trope among Christian fundamentalists, whose circle I once inhabited (although I was a political liberal). Just very brain-dead ignorant, especially since the Bible itself contains few absolutes. But there’s no talking to them about this.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:32:54am

Absolute morality is such transparent nonsense I can’t even

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:33:07am

re: #253 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Sigh…It’s like Nader all over again.
They. Never. Learn.

They’re too young to remember, I reckon.

When I was young, I voted for John Anderson over Jimmy Carter. When I was older, I did not vote for Ralph Nader. Though some of his ideas I agreed with, Ralph, like Bernie, wears blinkers and only focuses on a limited number of issues. The ones both of them seem to ignore are ones I believe are important.

Bernie has some good ideas, but a completely impractical sense of how to achieve them. I’m glad he’s running against HRC, but he’s just not a good choice for the nomination.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:34:10am

Hey, SXSW. Really?

No. Really?

Seriously???

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:34:19am

re: #220 Ming5000

The gun range lead danger does seem to be a well know thing. Not to pile on to the RWNJ antipathy for regulations and enforcement of BUSINESS (from the same Seattle Times article):

The solution is to move away from lead ammo. but that would need changes in the law, both Federal and in many states. And those changes are unlikely to happen given that the issue is driven by the extremes on either side.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:35:20am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The solution is to move away from lead ammo. but that would need changes in the law, both Federal and in many states. And those changes are unlikely to happen given that the issue is driven by the extremes on either side.

No, the pro gun control side is not as extreme as the anti gun control side. You’re dead wrong on this.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:35:37am

re: #260 Nyet

I hope Warren endorses Hillary just to spite the BernieBros ;)

Something I did just read said that she’s probably holding out until a nominee becomes clear, and hen hopes to use her support to affect the campaign.

I kind of think this means she knows who’s going to win. Why would Sanders need her support?

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:35:38am

re: #265 makeitstop

Hey, SXSW. Really?

No. Really?

Seriously???

There has to be a dead intern band name joke in here somewhere.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:36:21am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Why does she owe Bernie an endorsement? Did Bernie campaign for her against Scott Brown in 2012? Bernie has had for much of his career a very safe seat and he’s done little to help Democrats.

She owes him the endorsement because us moonbats have barked out a demand for it!

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:36:24am

This just showed up in my FB feed:

Rubio calls Trump supporters “White Trash”.

When the truth hurts, it hurts…

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:37:04am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Which is likely to have the opposite effect of the one they seek, but such logic is lost on those high on “PURITY NOW!!1”. To such a person, Senator Warren must endorse Senator Sanders or be marked down as a Worthless DINO and a Rebellious Jezebel.

They wanted Warren badly and tried to lobby for her to run last year, even suggested “drafting” her. When she made it clear she wasn’t running, they had to settle for Bernie, but they still held out hope that he’d get her nod and thus be seen as her champion. So her deciding not to endorse, but to actually sign a DNC fundraiser email, was a solid kick in the jimmies to them.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:37:06am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The solution is to move away from lead ammo. but that would need changes in the law, both Federal and in many states. And those changes are unlikely to happen given that the issue is driven by the extremes on either side.

Directed-energy weapons for the win!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:37:20am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This just showed up in my FB feed:

Rubio calls Trump supporters “White Trash”.

When the truth hurts, it hurts…

He’ll be begging that white trash to vote for him if he’s nominated. Glad Trump is exposing what an ugly little man Marco Rubio really is.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:37:40am

re: #265 makeitstop

Hey, SXSW. Really?

No. Really?

Seriously???

Hahahahaha.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:38:14am

Why does this all have a PUMA feel to it? We saw this back in 2008 with the party unity my ass nonsense.

These people don’t get it. Bernie is a newcomer to the DNC and Democrats are leery of jumping on his bandwagon precisely because he’s only recently come into the party to run for the White House.

He isn’t mounting a 3d party run here, which he could have done as an independent (or whatever party name he wanted). He’s doing so as a Democrat. That means he’s got to address Democratic party insiders in a way that makes sense and make them consider him over another longtime established Democratic party insider in Hillary. She’s been involved in the party her entire political career (and that’s separate from her time in the WH). She has cultivated a bench of Congressmembers who support her, whether it’s her successor in the Senate Kirsten Gillibrand or NJ’s Cory Booker, etc.

These surrogates are out there stumping for her, and that matters. Bernie doesn’t have that same scope of insider support going, and when someone like Warren decides to stay on the sidelines, it shows their reluctance to take sides out of respect to both, but it also means Bernie’s facing an uphill battle because it effectively gives more credence to Hillary’s run (though he can spin it as he’s a strong enough candidate to keep Warren on the sidelines).

But at the end of the day, the job Democrats have to do is not only win the WH against ANY GOP nominee, but to regain the Senate, so as to regain control over the appointment process. That’s the key, and everyone better look real hard at which candidate is better positioned to help down-ticket races so that Democrats achieve both.

To me, that candidate isn’t Bernie. At least not in the way he’s positioned his campaign and statements made to date.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:38:32am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw this in my TL:

good grief.

OFFS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:38:35am

To elaborate, gun control advocates do not oppose guns for personal use. The other extreme OTOH wants open carry everywhere.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:38:46am

re: #273 Decatur Deb

Directed-energy weapons for the win!!

Holding out for my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

//

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:39:01am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

No, the pro gun control side is not as extreme as the anti gun control side. You’re dead wrong on this.

It does not have to be ‘as extreme’ for my statement to work. What was saying is that the anti-gun side’s far end drives its actions, not its moderates. The same is true on the pro-gun side. Which far end is further out matters less than the fact that the issue is driven by those far ends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:39:37am
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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:39:43am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

The solution is to move away from lead ammo. but that would need changes in the law, both Federal and in many states. And those changes are unlikely to happen given that the issue is driven by the extremes on either side.

You are correct, moving away from lead ammunition might be one of the solutions.
Doing a quick scan I do not see anything, regulation-wise, stopping people from using non-lead ammo.
From the New York State Dept of Environmental Conservation

This page provides information on the positive factors of using non-lead ammunition compared to lead ammunition, some helpful tips for both hunters and meat processors to decrease bullet fragmentation in meat, a manufacturer list of commonly used ammunition and other helpful resources.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:40:12am

re: #279 Targetpractice

Holding out for my phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

//

I dunno, still partial to rail guns.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:40:31am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If the polls are any sign of the results of tonight, then Vermont is gonna a cold comfort to him and supporters.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:40:42am

Good point by lawhawk: essentially, Bernie isn’t much of a Democrat. He made his career on not being a Democrat. Which doesn’t mean much by itself, except that he shouldn’t feel himself entitled to D support - until and if he is the nominee.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:41:16am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

It does not have to be ‘as extreme’ for my statement to work. What was saying is that the anti-gun side’s far end drives its actions, not its moderates. The same is true on the pro-gun side. Which far end is further out matters less than the fact that the issue is driven by those far ends.

Again, you’re very much mistaken. If you actually listened to pro-gun control advocates, you’d know that they’re not an unreasonable bunch of people. We just want guns the hell out of our schools, don’t want the wrong people having them i.e. domestic abusers, and people not to be able to open carry into stores and restaurants. You’re off big time here.

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Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:42:24am

re: #268 Belafon

Something I did just read said that she’s probably holding out until a nominee becomes clear, and hen hopes to use her support to affect the campaign.

I kind of think this means she knows whose going to win. Why would Sanders need her support?

Personally think that would be a great way to set herself apart from Bernie in the event of a future run: Announce she will not be endorsing anyone, but instead will lend her support to the party’s nominee and will do everything she can to help them in November. You’d have Sandbagger heads exploding over like party poppers.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:43:27am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

…Aaaaaaand, they’re off!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:43:48am

Re: Guns, I’d just rather have a culture whose response following a Newtown, Columbine, or Virginia Tech isn’t HEY I NEED TO BUY MORE GUNS BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING TO BAN THEM. Maybe if an elected official acutally talks about repealing the 2nd, I’ll take that seriously but I’ll be honest I feel we do need to take a look at the 2nd versus when it was written versus now. The United States is a totally different country from what it was then and equally guns themselves are different than what they wre then but I’ll eave it at that for now lest I exhaust myself.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:43:59am

re: #263 Nyet

Absolute morality is such transparent nonsense I can’t even

It’s the thinking that gives us “no abortion, never ever,” even if the pregnancy is the result of rape or abuse, or if it endangers the life of the mother and/or child.

Unless the God-fearing family has enough funds to quietly terminate little Suzie’s “condition” in a distant state, far from prying eyes.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:46:06am

re: #285 Nyet

Good point by lawhawk: essentially, Bernie isn’t much of a Democrat. He made his career on not being a Democrat. Which doesn’t mean much by itself, except that he shouldn’t feel himself entitled to D support - until and if he is the nominee.

He’s got to win support of Democrats. He hasn’t done anything to earn unconditional support at this point. That’s something Bernie’s supporters don’t seem to get.

You can make the same statement about Trump, which is why the establishment is “fighting” him at this point, but will capitulate after today’s trouncing of Rubio and Cruz.

The difference is that Trump keeps winning states and leading in polls nationally and in key states. Sanders hasn’t shown the same level of support in polls, and he’s lagging badly in political endorsements, which is a sign of long term strength. He might get Hillary to tack left, but Hillary already appears ready to tack to the middle in a general election pivot knowing she’s got months of mudslinging facing her from Trump and the rest of the GOP apparatus.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:46:32am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sorta. Whether morality is human-made or God-made, it’s still “made”, it’s a product of a mental process. There are no invisible ontological trees on which the moral precepts grow by themselves.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:46:47am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

To elaborate, gun control advocates do not oppose guns for personal use. The other extreme OTOH wants open carry everywhere.

All I want is to have mine within reach in case someone tries to kick my door down, I’m old and can’t defend myself like I could when I was young and we have had some home invasions over the past year in the area I live in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:48:24am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Re: Guns, I’d just rather have a culture whose response following a Newtown, Columbine, or Virginia Tech isn’t HEY I NEED TO BUY MORE GUNS BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING TO BAN THEM. Maybe if an elected official acutally talks about repealing the 2nd, I’ll take that seriously but I’ll be honest I feel we do need to take a look at the 2nd versus when it was written versus now. The United States is a totally different country from what it was then and equally guns themselves are different than what they wre then but I’ll eave it at that for now lest I exhaust myself.

Nobody is talking about disarming citizens, it is simply about restricting access and increasing transparency of sales and ownership.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:48:26am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

It does not have to be ‘as extreme’ for my statement to work. What was saying is that the anti-gun side’s far end drives its actions, not its moderates. The same is true on the pro-gun side. Which far end is further out matters less than the fact that the issue is driven by those far ends.

I know you’d like for them to be equivalent, but this is another area where the fringe left doesn’t have control over Democrats like the wingers do of the Right. There are lots of Democratic gun owners. There is no legislation anywhere that is pushing to have every gun restricted, while there are plenty of attempts to have guns in just about every location.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:48:42am

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:49:09am

re: #293 Tigger2

All I want is to have mine within reach in case someone tries to kick my door down, I’m old and can’t defend myself like I could when I was young and we have had some home invasions over the past year in the area I live in.

I’m fine with that. My concerns are strictly about them being in the wrong hands, safety, and an atmosphere where people aren’t afraid of everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:51:08am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Nobody is talking about disarming citizens, it is simply about restricting access and increasing transparency of sales and ownership.

Which is the fallacy with likening the NRA/GOA extreme which is guns everywhere even in the schools and on the kiddies to gun control advocates. Wanting ot make sure guns are in the hands of responsible, law abiding adults and making sure rhere is knowledge about sales and such is just plain common sense. I mean in many states, it’s harder to vote than get a gun.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:51:49am

re: #295 Belafon

I know you’d like for them to be equivalent, but this is another area where the fringe left doesn’t have control over Democrats like the wingers do of the Right. There are lots of Democratic gun owners. There is no legislation anywhere that is pushing to have every gun restricted, while there are plenty of attempts to have guns in just about every location.

Exactly my point. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:52:15am

re: #296 nines09

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

Focused like a laser on society’s problems.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:52:30am

re: #293 Tigger2

All I want is to have mine within reach in case someone tries to kick my door down, I’m old and can’t defend myself like I could when I was young and we have had some home invasions over the past year in the area I live in.

If you want to defend yourself and your property at home, then that is your choice. My problem is with people who believe that private citizens carrying guns in public spaces are going to help prevent crime and reduce gun deaths and injuries.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:53:53am

re: #296 nines09

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

My son was telling me the other day that the male body is actually capable of carrying and nurturing a fetus. The man may not survive, not only because we’re not built with a delivery system, but our internal organs don’t get out of the way the way female organs do, but we could be an incubator. Which leads me to a Stephen King type story of men getting pregnant, possibly through some urban legend style surgery.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:54:46am

re: #296 nines09

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

Noooo!
Cripes
Anyone remember the 70’s when braless was a thing?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:55:00am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you want to defend yourself and your property at home, then that is your choice. My problem is with people who believe that private citizens carrying guns in public spaces are going to help prevent crime and reduce gun deaths and injuries.

This is my position exactly. Now I would like to see homeowners especially those with small children have some kind of requirement to keep them away from kids because we read too often about little kids finding Daddy or Mommy’s gun and either killing themselves or their brother or sister. We’re not going to prevent all gun tragedies. I have no illusion but I think it’s a fair goal to work to cut them down and frankly we get no progress on the issue because the gun lobby treats every legislation that is even remotely critical of guns as an attack on the 2nd and that’s crap.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:55:47am

re: #302 Belafon

My son was telling me the other day that the male body is actually capable of carrying and nurturing a fetus. The man may not survive, not only because we’re not built with a delivery system, but our internal organs don’t get out of the way the way female organs do, but we could be an incubator. Which leads me to a Stephen King type story of men getting pregnant, possibly through some urban legend style surgery.

If you are looking to add a comedy angle to it, then sorry it’s been done.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:55:54am

re: #293 Tigger2

All I want is to have mine within reach in case someone tries to kick my door down, I’m old and can’t defend myself like I could when I was young and we have had some home invasions over the past year in the area I live in.

LOL My gun is pretty safe unless the dogs or cat figure out how to chamber a round and pull the trigger, then I might think about getting rid of it I make them wait sometimes to get fed if I’m doing something and they get pissed.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:56:35am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Which is the fallacy with likening the NRA/GOA extreme which is guns everywhere even in the schools and on the kiddies to gun control advocates. Wanting to make sure guns are in the hands of responsible, law abiding adults and making sure there is knowledge about sales and such is just plain common sense. I mean in many states, it’s harder to vote than get a gun.

And in exchange for that would you be willing to disavow an “assault weapons” ban?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:56:56am

re: #305 Franklin

If you are looking to add a comedy angle to it, then sorry it’s been done.

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You know I never actually saw that as a kid even though the concept sounded hilarious. Was it any good?

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:57:11am

re: #305 Franklin

If you are looking to add a comedy angle to it, then sorry it’s been done.

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Definitely not the comedy angle. I’m thinking along the lines of a guy asking to have it removed, and religious people saying know, and then the man dying.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:58:04am

re: #253 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Sigh…It’s like Nader all over again.
They. Never. Learn.

They learn eventually. I imagine a lot of people that fell into the Nader crowd have now matured a bit politically since 2000.

The problem is that was 16 years ago and that is plenty of time to have a whole new group develop that see things in a purely idealistic light.

If they never learn anything, it is history, but that isn’t taught or learned any more.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:58:30am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

You know I never actually saw that as a kid even though the concept sounded hilarious. Was it any good?

I’m sure I saw it at some point but can’t recall if it was any good.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:58:42am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The film received mixed to negative reviews with 32% approval rating on aggregate review site Rotten Tomatoes, with an average score of 4.7 out of 10, based on 31 collected reviews.[3]

Comedian and former Mystery Science Theater 3000 host Michael J. Nelson named the film the second-worst comedy ever made.[4]

Notably Roger Ebert was a fan of the film, giving it 31/2 out of four stars and maintaining that:

“I know this sounds odd, but Schwarzenegger is perfect for the role. Observe his acting carefully in Junior, and you’ll see skills that many ‘serious’ actors could only envy.”[5]

Ebert and his partner Gene Siskel gave the film “two thumbs up” on their television show.

In May 2007, Sandy Smith had launched an essay writing competition, asking entrants to attempt to prove that Junior could be considered the greatest movie of all time. He obsessively started collecting copies of the movie in November 2005, and eventually collected 24 copies. In February 2008, despite Sunday Herald covering the story,[6] the competition received fewer entries than there were prizes offered.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:58:59am

re: #306 Tigger2

LOL My gun is pretty safe unless the dogs or cat figure out how to chamber a round and pull the trigger, then I might think about getting rid of it I make them wait sometimes to get fed if I’m doing something and they get pissed.

Don’t worry about the dogs. The cat on the other hand:

Sniper Kitteh
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 6:59:32am

re: #260 Nyet

I hope Warren endorses Hillary just to spite the BernieBros ;)

She will…in a few days to two weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:00:19am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

And in exchange for that would you be willing to disavow an “assault weapons” ban?

If the NRA/GOA stopped using fear and lies then I may very well be. I really don’t understand the practical need for such weapons though. The rifles/shotguns for hunting I absolutely get. A handgun for personal protection, again I get but that a little less so. I want more gun responsibility ultimately and there is none of that from your side of the debate just fear and lies about how every Democrat and liberal is a gun grabber who doesn’t “respect” guns which is a lot of bullshit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:01:01am

Tomorrow we will see Cruz and Rubio support Trump, as if none of the In-fighting ever happened.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:01:25am

re: #312 Nyet

Yeah I recall ti was panned. I did see the Twins film that Danny and Arnold did. I can’t watch Danny anymore and not think of Frank Reynolds.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:01:38am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Tomorrow we will see Cruz and Rubio support Trump, as if none of the In-fighting ever happened.

Cruz certainly, I have doubts about Rubio.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:01:44am

re: #262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, probably the most annoying trope among Christian fundamentalists, whose circle I once inhabited (although I was a political liberal). Just very brain-dead ignorant, especially since the Bible itself contains few absolutes. But there’s no talking to them about this.

The book I’ve been reading, A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars, by Andrew Hartman, addresses this misunderstanding. An evangelical scholar, Francis Schaeffer, studied modern philosophy — I suppose in an effort to be something like Thomas Aquinas. Schaeffer read Hegel, for one, and interpreted his philosophy through the lens of Evangelical Christianity.

Hegel theorized that synthesis, not antithesis, was the superior method of thought. Synthesis, in Schaeffer’s reading of Hegel, implied relativism, since all acts, all gestures, had an equal claim to truth, in that the dialectical process would eventually envelop everything. Napoleon’s conquest of Europe was to be judged not by the brutality of its individual acts but by the synthesis of the “world spirit on horseback” that Hegel famously believed Napoleon signified. Furthering his eclectic intellectual history of modernity, informed by his unique Christian apologetic, Schaeffer wrote that existentialism announced humanity’s nihilistic trek across the line of despair. Sartre, Schaeffer posited, believed there was no way of knowing truth absolutely and that, given this, human existence was ridiculous. “Nevertheless, you try to authenticate yourself by an act of the will. It does not really matter in which direction you act as long as you act.” An individual could choose to either help an elderly woman walk across a street or attack her and steal her purse; in either act the person was “authenticated.” Although this critique of existentialism ignored some of its key facets— namely, the unrelativistic premise that an authenticating project was worthwhile only if it created space for more people to experience freedom— by reading existentialism against the grain of scripture, Schaeffer appealed to some of the young, modish Americans who voraciously read Sartre. Eventually, powerful Christian conservatives sought him out precisely because of this appeal.

Hartman, Andrew (2015-04-14). A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars (Kindle Locations 1566-1577). University of Chicago Press. Kindle Edition.

In other words, Schaeffer misinterpreted Hegel and Sartre, then handed those misinterpretations to his Fundie followers, who then mangled it even more. It’s been canon in the Fundie world since the 1970s that postmodernism = relativism = immorality, and it’s impossible to persuade them otherwise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:02:32am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Tomorrow we will see Cruz and Rubio support Trump, as if none of the In-fighting ever happened.

I hear the strains of a Dixie Chicks song…”White Trash Wedding”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:02:50am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Tomorrow we will see Cruz and Rubio support Trump, as if none of the In-fighting ever happened.

I don’t think they both back out tomorrow but you’re right that they will soon be singing his praises as a way to stop Clinton who they see as a bigger threat because they’re more like Trump than tehy are not.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:02:59am

re: #292 Nyet

Sorta. Whether morality is human-made or God-made, it’s still “made”, it’s a product of a mental process. There are no invisible ontological trees on which the moral precepts grow by themselves.

I am not disagreeing with you. I’m just pointing out a concrete example of absolutism here in the USA.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:03:09am

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Don’t worry about the dogs. The cat on the other hand:

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I’d worry more about the dogs. Dogs overreact to strangers way more than cats. Cats just run and hide.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:03:12am

re: #318 Nyet

Cruz certainly, I have doubts about Rubio.

Assuming Cruz wins Texas, and in most polls he is leading comfortably, he certainly isn’t getting out of the race tomorrow.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:03:44am

re: #296 nines09

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

I’m not sure if “free the nipple” should be Freeple! or Fripple! for short.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:03:48am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

I’d worry more about the dogs. Dogs overreact to strangers way more than cats. Cats just run and hide.

Cats do not need weapons, they are weapons.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:04:06am

re: #324 Big Beautiful Door

Assuming Cruz wins Texas, and in most polls he is leading comfortably, he certainly isn’t getting out of the race tomorrow.

I think they both stay but Trump will be in the driver’s seat tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:04:13am

re: #325 Barefoot Grin

I’m not sure if “free the nipple” should be Freeple! or Fripple! for short.

Nippliberty!!!

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:04:16am

Deleated

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:04:20am

re: #296 nines09

Lawmakers are backing a bill to criminalize women exposing their breasts in public.

In New Hampshire. First on the beach, then at Little League games. That’s how it goes. Because. You know.

More hard working GOP representatives tackling the big issues of the day by criminalizing nipples and breasts.

No word on visiting male Quebecers and their blatant use of Speedos. ///

What about mothers breastfeeding babies? Do they address that?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:05:37am

re: #329 Tigger2

A good place to watch pretty recent movies, you can log in with facebook, I watched The Revenant and The Hateful 8 the other night.

9movies.to

I caught Spotlight the other night. Man am I glad that my parents didn’t raise my brothers and I Catholic after watching that and my dad’s own uncle was a priest and he and his siblings went through years of parochial school.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:06:16am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

And in exchange for that would you be willing to disavow an “assault weapons” ban?

Only if you’re willing to consider having to explain why you need a weapon that turns deer into ground beef. I’ll take home defense and hunting as good reasons. “Assault weapons” aren’t necessary for either.

“Assault weapons” (and we all know why DF and I are putting it in quotes) fits into something of an idea I am trying to work on. It ties into the math and computer science I am studying, specifically the idea that there are only a countable number of ways to write a law and more than that many ways to do things. My example is that a good driving law would be written as “Don’t go too fast” but we can’t write that, because it’s fuzzy and open to interpretation, but if you write “Don’t go over 65” then you get people that drive 65 with ice on the road. It’s the same with the concept of “Assault Weapons.” We all have a good idea of what really qualifies as an assault weapon, but you can’t just write a law, because there will always be those that find the spot that is outside the written definition but really should qualify. The other obvious example is the definition of porn.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:06:46am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

No, the pro gun control side is not as extreme as the anti gun control side. You’re dead wrong on this.

Any gun legislation that is called “control” is considered extreme by the extremely extreme side of the whole thing.

And it appears this isn’t going to change until a few of the forefathers of our country come back to explain the Second Amendment.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:07:55am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, I think we are talking about slightly different senses of absolute, even if in the end they converge. I’m saying that they usually believe that morality is somehow ontologically grounded (in God’s nature, for example), whereas it’s always a convention, whether instituted by humans or by deities.

You’re talking about unbudging, absolute rules, which can follow from the above, but which can also be compatible with the “convention” view of morality.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:07:57am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I caught Spotlight the other night. Man am I glad that my parents didn’t raise my brothers and I Catholic after watching that and my dad’s own uncle was a priest and he and his siblings went through years of parochial school.

I haven’t seen that one yet but I want to.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:08:17am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Tomorrow we will see Cruz and Rubio support Trump, as if none of the In-fighting ever happened.

I think there’s a very real possibility of a functional (if not denominational) bifurcation of the Republican Party itself this November, between a national GOP and a congressional one. We’ve heard several murmurs from those responsible for retaining control of the Senate and House that they’ll accede to candidates running pretty explicitly against Trump.

It will be interesting to see to what degree this split is temporary. It’s how one might envision the party as a whole beginning a radical shift like we saw with the collapse of the FDR coalition in the 60s.

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:08:29am

re: #329 Tigger2

A good place to watch pretty recent movies, you can log in with facebook, I watched The Revenant and The Hateful 8 the other night.

9movies.to

That can’t be legal.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:08:39am

re: #324 Big Beautiful Door

Assuming Cruz wins Texas, and in most polls he is leading comfortably, he certainly isn’t getting out of the race tomorrow.

Not tomorrow, but eventually.

Unless unforeseen happens.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:09:33am

re: #333 ObserverArt

Any gun legislation that is called “control” is considered extreme by the extremely extreme side of the whole thing.

And it appears this isn’t going to change until a few of the forefathers of our country come back to explain the Second Amendment.

I think and I know it sounds slippery slope since it opens up an ugly can of worms but I really really think we need to consider the kind of country were in the 1790’s versus now as well as how firearms have changed. I just think the idea of no regulation is absurd. We do in fact regulate speech and such as I think firearms can be lawfully and constitutionally regulated.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:09:49am

re: #335 Tigger2

I haven’t seen that one yet but I want to.

Great cast.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:09:54am

re: #337 danarchy

That can’t be legal.

Check the site out

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:10:33am

re: #336 Testy Toad T

Sure going to be interesting.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:10:47am

re: #329 Tigger2

I’m all for pirate websites, but posting a link to one here may not be the best idea.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:11:27am

re: #332 Belafon

Not just home defense but defense of others as well. In some cases a rifle is better suited to stopping an attack than a handgun. Moreover, semi-auto rifles are used far less often in crimes than handguns so that someone wants one shouldn’t represent a problem if that person isn’t a crazy.

But on a fundamental level you’ve got it backwards: People who own semi-auto rifles shouldn’t have to justify why they should permitted to own them, those who want to ban such rifles should have to explain the necessity of such a ban.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:11:31am

re: #343 Nyet

I’m all for pirate websites, but posting a link to one here may not be the best idea.

Looks like a legit website to me. No different that Rotten Tomato or Putlocker.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:12:16am

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

But on a fundamental level you’ve got it backwards: People who own semi-auto rifles shouldn’t have to justify why they should permitted to own them, those who want to ban such rifles should have to explain the necessity of such a ban.

Argument by declaration is one of my favorites.

I ask the rest of you, seriously: at long last, after all these years, why are you wasting your time with this?

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:12:25am

re: #345 Tigger2

Looks like a legit website to me.

Not sure it matter what it looks like. I have software that is really legit looking, but all it does is stream movies from illegal torrent sites.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:12:37am

I’m quite sure that not all the trolling is being done by actual liberals/progressives. Just wanted to remind everyone.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:13:19am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I think they both stay but Trump will be in the driver’s seat tomorrow.

That is true, unless the polls are completely wrong and missing a surge by Cruz or Rubio. I don’t expect that to be the case. However, I don’t really expect the Republican establishment to meekly line up behind Trump once he clinches the nomination. Many will certainly; some will give pro forma support. I wouldn’t be surprised, as I’ve said before, to see a high profile conservative run third party to provide an alternative to Trump, though it apparently won’t be Cruz.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:13:22am

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Not just home defense but defense of others as well. In some cases a rifle is better suited to stopping an attack than a handgun. Moreover, semi-auto rifles are used far less often in crimes than handguns so that someone wants one shouldn’t represent a problem if that person isn’t a crazy.

But on a fundamental level you’ve got it backwards: People who own semi-auto rifles shouldn’t have to justify why they should permitted to own them, those who want to ban such rifles should have to explain the necessity of such a ban.

Most people don’t commit crimes with tanks, hand grenades, and rocket launchers. For that matter, I haven’t blown up anything. Can I have dynamite?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:13:33am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Cats do not need weapons, they are weapons.

I’ve got season 2 of “Fargo” on (ep 2), so my brain is interpreting this entire discussion in a Midwestern accent…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:13:52am

If you want to play with assault rifles, join the military.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:14:40am

re: #332 Belafon

Only if you’re willing to consider having to explain why you need a weapon that turns deer into ground beef. I’ll take home defense and hunting as good reasons. “Assault weapons” aren’t necessary for either.

“Assault weapons” (and we all know why DF and I are putting it in quotes) fits into something of an idea I am trying to work on. It ties into the math and computer science I am studying, specifically the idea that there are only a countable number of ways to write a law and more than that many ways to do things. My example is that a good driving law would be written as “Don’t go too fast” but we can’t write that, because it’s fuzzy and open to interpretation, but if you write “Don’t go over 65” then you get people that drive 65 with ice on the road. It’s the same with the concept of “Assault Weapons.” We all have a good idea of what really qualifies as an assault weapon, but you can’t just write a law, because there will always be those that find the spot that is outside the written definition but really should qualify. The other obvious example is the definition of porn.

That’s part of my point too. I don’t understand why people feel the need to own these. Now if you like to shoot them. Well maybe we can have ranges where people shoot them but I honest to God do not see the practical reasons to own such weapons. Good points all around anyhow. Assault Weapons is a tricky issue since there’s going to be nitpicking about what construes an assault weapon and what doesn’t. What I really want to change though is culture which I admit is sort of radical but as I said I’m tired of the response after all these tragedies is to see gun sales go up. I’m tired of reading about kids killing each other or themselves. And as I have gotten at, buying a gun shouldn’t be as easy as it is in some places. Another thing I resent is the logical fallacy where D.C’s strict gun laws are used to attack the effectiveness of gun laws, y’all do know that you can literally walk to Virginia from D.C and Virginia has laxer gun laws. Our states don’t exist in vaccums with strict guarded borders, again that’s why I think using the 10th is a mistake. But as I said ultimately I just want to live in a society where people don’t feel the need to be armed all the time. I dont’ like the atmosphere of mistrust and paranoia created.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:14:46am

re: #345 Tigger2

Looks like a legit website to me.

I hate to break it to you, but there’s no way you can legally watch recent films (as well as most old films) online without paying.

But even if there were such sites (and there aren’t, and can’t be under current laws), they sure as heck wouldn’t have cam versions, like your site does.

Duh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:16:06am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart

I’ve got season 2 of “Fargo” on (ep 2), so my brain is interpreting this entire discussion in a Midwestern accent…

That is the best season. Season 1 was good, but season 2 is just fucking awesome.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:16:08am

re: #348 Franklin

Not sure it matter what it looks like. I have software that is really legit looking, but all it does is stream movies from illegal torrent sites.

I did delete my comment I went back to the page and looked for a join prompt and couldn’t find one. Never noticed that before thought it was a site like XFinity.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:17:21am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

And in exchange for that would you be willing to disavow an “assault weapons” ban?

Not me. Any weapon designed to kill or maim large numbers of people rapidly rather than for hunting or personal defense should not be available to the general public.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:17:56am

re: #347 Testy Toad T

Argument by declaration is one of my favorites.

I ask the rest of you, seriously: at long last, after all these years, why are you wasting your time with this?

Because someone is wrong on the internet! xkcd.com Why else would we do it?

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:17:57am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

It does not have to be ‘as extreme’ for my statement to work. What was saying is that the anti-gun side’s far end drives its actions, not its moderates. The same is true on the pro-gun side. Which far end is further out matters less than the fact that the issue is driven by those far ends.

Bullshit. You want to believe or make an excuse that it is the anti-gun people that drive all actions on gun ‘control’ yet many times even the most limited and sensible legislation is shot down by the gun extremists that is the conservative side.

Nice try Dark. But you are typical when it comes to guns. Your post proves it because you go right to the excuses.

By the way, are there even any moderates on the conservative side or are they too scared to raise there heads fearing they too will be ‘gunned’ down?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:18:33am

I’d be more convinced by the way if there weren’t a lot of trigger happy idiots out there but all the time I’m reading about someone shooting someone over the smallest provacation. You had that man who was killed for throwing popcorn FFS. The kid because his music “scared” the guy. The old man who shot the woman who was in a car accident because he thought she was an intruder. I’m not seeing these famed responsible gun owners. I do see a lot of idiots though.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:20:07am

re: #347 Testy Toad T

Argument by declaration is one of my favorites.

I ask the rest of you, seriously: at long last, after all these years, why are you wasting your time with this?

I’m what they call stubborn. But in truth, all I wanted to do was to point out that the opposite extreme in the gun control debate does not have the sway or the voice in the gun debate that anti-gun control people do.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:20:54am

re: #334 Nyet

Well, I think we are talking about slightly different senses of absolute, even if in the end they converge. I’m saying that they usually believe that morality is somehow ontologically grounded (in God’s nature, for example), whereas it’s always a convention, whether instituted by humans or by deities.

You’re talking about unbudging, absolute rules, which can follow from the above, but which can also be compatible with the “convention” view of morality.

Ah, yes. The anti-abortion folks here believe God Himself has told them abortion is evil, because it is murder, despite there being no such directive in the Bible. They would deny any human influence in coming up with this idea, though clearly there was. It’s a matter of faith among these people that God (and Jesus) are 100% against abortion.

Morality, as you say, for the conservative Christians, is something that comes from above. Humanism, in their view, cannot produce morality, because humans are intrinsically evil. Similarly, atheists cannot have any moral compass or ethics, because without God there can be no morality or ethics, and humans are intrinsically evil. The concept that people can get along perfectly well without belief in God is completely foreign to them. Does. Not. Compute. System overload.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:23:16am

re: #360 ObserverArt

Bullshit. You want to believe or make an excuse that it is the anti-gun people that drive all actions on gun ‘control’ yet many times even the most limited and sensible legislation is shot down by the gun extremists that is the conservative side.

Nice try Dark. But you are typical when it comes to guns. Your post proves it because you go right to the excuses.

By the way, are there even any moderates on the conservative side or are they too scared to raise there heads fearing they too will be ‘gunned’ down?

The most maddening thing to witness is when the NRA contradicts itself and starts opposing legislation itself had previously supported. But ultimately the most infuriating thing to me is how gun advocates want to make gun related tragedies about anything but the gun. Take Sandy Hook. Wayne LaPierre was blaming two movies that came out whenAdam(not Ryan sorry) Lanza was a child and no one knew for sure he had seen or not. You have gun-nutters who blame legalized abortion or same sex marriage even for these tragedies. It’s the refusal by the gun advocate community to admit flat out “Hey these are dangerous machines designed to kill living beings, let’s make sure they’er not in the wrong hands.” They cant’ do that and the reason why I think is simple is because the NRA are a bunch of little men who need guns to feel better about what a bunch of cowards they really are.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:24:01am

re: #338 Nyet

Not tomorrow, but eventually.

Unless unforeseen happens.

I agree, unless something weird happens, like when Perot inexplicably and temporarily pulled out of the presidential race. Its becoming apparent that neither Cruz or Rubio will step aside to allow the other to consolidate the anti-Trump vote before March 15. After March 15, it will probably be too late.

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Teukka  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:24:22am

re: #207 GlutenFreeJesus

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So, this is the photo for the headline article on CNN.

We all know Trump uses spray-on tan. But what is it with his puffy eyes?

That can’t be a good sign. For anyone.

Retaining water? Heart failure? Just massive insomnia?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:24:34am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

It does not have to be ‘as extreme’ for my statement to work. What was saying is that the anti-gun side’s far end drives its actions, not its moderates. The same is true on the pro-gun side. Which far end is further out matters less than the fact that the issue is driven by those far ends.

The anti-gun side is not driven or financed by a multi-million-dollar industry lobby.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:25:20am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The anti-gun side is not driven or financed by a multi-million-dollar industry lobby.

There’s that too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:25:56am

re: #366 Teukka

Retaining water? Hear failure? Just massive insomnia?

Holding back tears of rage he wants to shed for America

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:26:50am

re: #366 Teukka

Hate.

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Nojay UK  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:26:59am

re: #351 Belafon

For that matter, I haven’t blown up anything.

Then you haven’t LIVED! The flash, the heat pulse, the *THUMP* as the shockwave hits your face… Sheer bliss. Never got to go to Nevada for one of our Bucket of Instant Sunshine tests though.

Can I have dynamite?

Who needs dynamite when you can buy five litres of gasoline and a half-kilo of nitropropellant without causing anyone to blink an eye.

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Teukka  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:27:00am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Holding back tears of rage he wants to shed for America

*ROTFLMAO*

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:27:42am

Coming home to roost. Feeding years of hate and anger has consequences. Breitbart, Rush, and the hate-radio stars have all led the GOP down the path to Trump.

Let’s not forget that the same GOP has no problem with Steve Scalise in a leadership post despite consorting with white supremacists.

Kansas’ Sec. State Kobach also consorts with white supremacists and he’s up to his eyeballs in creating model laws to deny women access to reproductive health care (TRAP laws) and limiting access to the polls, etc. through his involvement in ALEC.

Everywhere you turn, you find these bastards. It’s not hard to find them.

Trump’s just allowed them to scamper into the daylight. The establishment would much rather you not notice the hate and bigotry that underpins their strategies.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:28:41am

Good morning, Lizards.

Happy Super Tuesday!

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:28:43am

re: #371 Nojay UK

Then you haven’t LIVED! The flash, the heat pulse, the *THUMP* as the shockwave hits your face… Sheer bliss. Never got to go to Nevada for one of our Bucket of Instant Sunshine tests though.

Who needs dynamite when you can buy five litres of gasoline and a half-kilo of nitropropellant without causing anyone to blink an eye.

Great point. After Oklahoma City, buying too much fertilizer at one time gets you flagged by the government. Why hasn’t the National Fertilizer Association been lobbying for these rights?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:28:58am

re: #373 lawhawk

Coming home to roost. Feeding years of hate and anger has consequences. Breitbart, Rush, and the hate-radio stars have all led the GOP down the path to Trump.

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Let’s not forget that the same GOP has no problem with Steve Scalise in a leadership post despite consorting with white supremacists.

Kansas’ Sec. State Kobach also consorts with white supremacists and he’s up to his eyeballs in creating model laws to deny women access to reproductive health care (TRAP laws) and limiting access to the polls, etc. through his involvement in ALEC.

Everywhere you turn, you find these bastards. It’s not hard to find them.

Trump’s just allowed them to scamper into the daylight. The establishment would much rather you not notice the hate and bigotry that underpins their strategies.

Kobach was Mitt Romney’s campaign manager.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:29:27am

re: #373 lawhawk

Coming home to roost. Feeding years of hate and anger has consequences. Breitbart, Rush, and the hate-radio stars have all led the GOP down the path to Trump.

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Let’s not forget that the same GOP has no problem with Steve Scalise in a leadership post despite consorting with white supremacists.

Kansas’ Sec. State Kobach also consorts with white supremacists and he’s up to his eyeballs in creating model laws to deny women access to reproductive health care (TRAP laws) and limiting access to the polls, etc. through his involvement in ALEC.

Everywhere you turn, you find these bastards. It’s not hard to find them.

Trump’s just allowed them to scamper into the daylight. The establishment would much rather you not notice the hate and bigotry that underpins their strategies.

Yep letting Scalise keep his Majority Whip post was a signal that they were okay with being Duke without the baggage.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:29:58am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Kobach was Mitt Romney’s campaign manager.

No, Kobach was Romney’s immigration adviser. Stu Stevens was Romney’s campaign manager. Still pretty bad though.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:31:03am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The anti-gun side is not driven or financed by a multi-million-dollar industry lobby.

re: #368 HappyWarrior

There’s that too.

It goes much deeper than that. As a gun sales lobby the NRA would back import bans and gun buy-back/destruction programs, controlling the supply and demand sides. They don’t.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:31:41am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:32:20am

re: #374 Jenner7

Good morning, Lizards.

Happy Super Tuesday!

Who’s headlining the half-time show?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:32:25am

re: #375 Belafon

Great point. After Oklahoma City, buying too much fertilizer at one time gets you flagged by the government. Why hasn’t the National Fertilizer Association been lobbying for these rights?

That’s a good point too. As I said, the thing that gets me angry is how the gun lobby seems in denial that these are weapons and their sole purpose is to maim or kill. Now you can go target shooting but ultimately a gun’s purpose is to end another’s life. So no it’s not like a car as I often seen stupidly argued.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:33:52am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

The Trumpettes! They’ll be the best halftime show you’ve ever seen. It’ll be yuuuuuuuge.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:34:37am

Louis Farrakhan AND David Duke support Donald Trump. It’s a weird time to be alive. There is an anomaly in The Matrix.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:34:45am

Nobody, Trump?

Gah! This guy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:34:47am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

It provided for the extra training needed that got Mr BWS the really great job that he has now (and he was an unemployed over-50 worker at the time). We certainly will not forget what a wonderful thing ARRA did for us.

The GM bailout did it for me. I was an over-50 unemployed tech worker, the only jobs I could find after the Great Outsourcing after Y2K were short term temp contracts.

Here’s a weird fact: I was Googling “Green Jobs” since I was told this was the Job Of The Future.

JPKn1WAp6vjNkuJ4aKN0Z3CMYXe1/rNKmpQh/+N6oS/7D+DDdDmc7nRkxtCx8Wo4+EUlfo+cOyNtON4xGRZDKPoHMFdmRvPk0QX0rZVxQg5ensSkrauhAUk7jvjkE+MVynpoCG5g7TsWBR2rvJtamT2sSBVsL5jE1p1NunMndKP3aCPbc/1vNZfaVLFsJwKDxfwu65ZjMBKvoBBihcVImi9AfusqIdRS2JxqJZRYWRn8/0EMTde7ejNFYG7kHr7N9c000vAxurCmJIEvCbtctEfzD1Ov2evlp/nh3QdEqkOT8+L3iybqVnVzBe1+ZPtX2gj9MB8AtOjmTALMs9Xb2FaZE0RESXfc7Rhh2w3+Rs8Rb36efuY8yQ==

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bratwurst  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:34:58am

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:35:10am

“There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”

Move aside, MLK.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:36:21am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

Despite conservatives’ best efforts, US history is still taught in schools. Even the ugly parts.

What a moron.

ETA: Did anyone call Luap Nor on this egregious bullshit, or did our “balanced” media let that whopper slide?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:36:23am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Louis Farrakhan AND David Duke support Donald Trump. It’s a weird time to be alive. There is an anomaly in The Matrix.

Both racists. Shocka!

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:37:23am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

Wait, what? I could go walk to the corner right now and ask the first 110 people that walk by and I could get to 100.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:03am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

The No-Nothing Party

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:05am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

That’s stupid even for an asshole like Paul. Really 100 people? The KKK is quite well known. I knew who they were when I was a kid. I even remember my grandfather telling me he remembered the KKK going through his hometown and it sort of shuck his family up (they were Catholic Eastern European immigrants.).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:26am

re: #388 Nyet

“There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”

Move aside, MLK.

Hasta Luego, Abraham Lincoln, make way for Trump!

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:27am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

PLUS, this is all besides the fact. TRUMP knows of the Ku Klux Kan and of David Duke. That is what matters.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:35am

re: #391 Franklin

Wait, what? I could go walk to the corner right now and ask the first 110 people that walk by and I could get to 100.

I could poll everyone in my office and get 100%. It’s just a baffling claim.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:49am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

I’d be more convinced by the way if there weren’t a lot of trigger happy idiots out there but all the time I’m reading about someone shooting someone over the smallest provacation. You had that man who was killed for throwing popcorn FFS. The kid because his music “scared” the guy. The old man who shot the woman who was in a car accident because he thought she was an intruder. I’m not seeing these famed responsible gun owners. I do see a lot of idiots though.

In fairness, somebody not getting shot isn’t news, which might be why you don’t hear about responsible gun owners. Apparently, 31% of households in the US have guns (that’s an all time low, by the way). You hear about the idiots because, in the larger picture, they’re outliers.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t find ways to further reduce gun deaths. Or insure that the people getting and keeping guns are mentally stable.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:38:51am

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The No-Nothing Party

That actually sums up Ron’s ideology qutie well.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:39:16am

re: #395 Franklin

PLUS, this is all besides the fact. TRUMP knows of the Ku Klux Kan and of David Duke. That is that matters.

Right, there is a quote fifteen years ago of him denouncing DUke in strong language.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:39:25am

The alleged Rubio “white trash” comment seems too bizarre, even for this election. So far it’s not showing on anything like a responsible source. It is all over the RW intertubes, so it might as well be real.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:39:47am

re: #397 KGxvi

In fairness, somebody not getting shot isn’t news, which might be why you don’t hear about responsible gun owners. Apparently, 31% of households in the US have guns (that’s an all time low, by the way). You hear about the idiots because, in the larger picture, they’re outliers.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t find ways to further reduce gun deaths. Or insure that the people getting and keeping guns are mentally stable.

Oh true. I am just saying happens way too much.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:42:02am

re: #387 bratwurst

Ron Paul on CNN just now: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have HEARD of the Ku Klux Klan.”

Yes, the man who built his extremely modest career on appealing to virulent racists really said that.

This would be a more believable quote: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have NOT heard of the Ku Klux Klan.”

It’s not like they aren’t depicted in movies on a semi-regular basis or anything.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:43:07am

Wow, that’s gonna be a noisy home in a few weeks…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:43:27am

re: #402 KGxvi

This would be a more believable quote: “I don’t know if there are 100 people in the country who have NOT heard of the Ku Klux Klan.”

It’s not like they aren’t depicted in movies on a semi-regular basis or anything.

For many in my generation, I think the first time we learned about the KKK was in Forrest Gump. And African-Americans especially older ones in the South definitely know who they are. It’s beside the point though since Trump damn well knows who Duke is and the KKK are.

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BlackPearl  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:43:40am

re: #396 withak

I could poll everyone in my office and get 100%. It’s just a baffling claim.

I could poll everyone in my office - IN GERMANY - and get 100%. Even the people who only know and love the US from pop culture would say, “Oh, right, that was a bad thing…”

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:44:21am

re: #396 withak

I could poll everyone in my office and get 100%. It’s just a baffling claim.

But you see. You asked one hundred people. So only a hundred people know.

All we do by asking 100 people is proving Ron Paul correct.

(Trying to apply climate change denial logic to the KKK.)

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:44:34am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Oh true. I am just saying happens way too much.

We agree on that point. I think if there’s going to be any movement on gun control, though, it will require convincing gun owners (and those non-gun owners sympathetic to them) that it isn’t some evil gun grabbing dictatorship bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:44:42am

re: #405 BlackPearl

I could poll everyone in my office - IN GERMANY - and get 100%. Even the people who only know and love the US from pop culture would say, “Oh, right, that was a bad thing…”

Yeah they’re internationally known. But as Brat said, Ron Paul’s made his career getting support form racists like this so of course he shrugs it off.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:45:01am

Go home Ron, you’re drunk.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:45:29am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

For many in my generation, I think the first time we learned about the KKK was in Forrest Gump. And African-Americans especially older ones in the South definitely know who they are. It’s beside the point though since Trump damn well knows who Duke is and the KKK are.

If I hadn’t told them about the KKK when I talk about slavery and segregation, my kids would know them from the Blues Brothers.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:45:44am

re: #407 KGxvi

We agree on that point. I think if there’s going to be any movement on gun control, though, it will require convincing gun owners (and those non-gun owners sympathetic to them) that it isn’t some evil gun grabbing dictatorship bullshit.

That is the hardest part I concede.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:46:27am

re: #409 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Go home Ron, you drunk. old, senile, racist fool.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:46:33am

re: #410 Belafon

If I hadn’t told them about them when I talk about slavery and segregation, my kids would know them from the Blues Brothers.

That too. They’re a big part of our cultural heritage. One we’re not proud of for the most part anyohw.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:47:30am

Blues Brothers. Forrest Gump. O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Yup, only 100 people have seen those movies.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:47:37am

That by the way was a reason why I never liked Ron Paul. When a candidate has a ton of support from white supremacists, you stay the hell away no matter how much he talks about liberty and freedom.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:47:56am

re: #414 withak

Blues Brothers. Forrest Gump. O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Yup, only 100 people have seen those movies.

Harold and Kumar.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:47:57am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

For many in my generation, I think the first time we learned about the KKK was in Forrest Gump. And African-Americans especially older ones in the South definitely know who they are. It’s beside the point though since Trump damn well knows who Duke is and the KKK are.

Blazing Saddles, The Blues Brothers (although those were technically Illinois Nazis), Forrest Gump, O Brother Where Art Thou?, Mississippi Burning, American History X, A Time to Kill… Most of those are off the top of my head.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:48:29am

re: #417 KGxvi

Blazing Saddles, The Blues Brothers (although those were technically Illinois Nazis), Forrest Gump, O Brother Where Art Thou?, Mississippi Burning, American History X, A Time to Kill… Most of those are off the top of my head.

We could probably come up with 100 movies.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:48:40am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

The GM bailout did it for me. I was an over-50 unemployed tech worker, the only jobs I could find after the Great Outsourcing after Y2K were short term temp contracts.

Here’s a weird fact: I was Googling “Green Jobs” since I was told this was the Job Of The Future.

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Did you know Bernie Sanders was a little hesitant on the bailout of the auto industry. He eventually came around and voted in favor, but he had some issues of the government getting involved in private business. It is all part of dealing with extreme idealism.

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gwangung  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:48:57am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

That’s stupid even for an asshole like Paul. Really 100 people? The KKK is quite well known. I knew who they were when I was a kid. I even remember my grandfather telling me he remembered the KKK going through his hometown and it sort of shuck his family up (they were Catholic Eastern European immigrants.).

Every single damn black person knows who the KKK are. Don’t THEY count?

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:17am

re: #415 HappyWarrior

That by the way was a reason why I never liked Ron Paul. When a candidate has a ton of support from white supremacists, you stay the hell away no matter how much he talks about liberty and freedom.

Because it’s pretty obvious he’s talking about freedom for only a certain set of people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:18am

re: #410 Belafon

If I hadn’t told them about the KKK when I talk about slavery and segregation, my kids would know them from the Blues Brothers.

anyone who has seen Oh Brother Where Art Thou, Blazing Saddles or Forrest Gump knows about the f*ing KKK. This is really just a case of getting a quote out there to derail the conversation.

List of popular films involving the KKK

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TedStriker  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:23am

re: #417 KGxvi

Blazing Saddles, The Blues Brothers (although those were technically Illinois Nazis), Forrest Gump, O Brother Where Art Thou?, Mississippi Burning, American History X, A Time to Kill… Most of those are off the top of my head.

Porky’s 2: The Next Day and Blazing Saddles.

‘Nuff said.

*drops mic*

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:31am

re: #420 gwangung

Every single damn black person knows who the KKK are. Don’t THEY count?

Not to Ron Paul.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:40am

re: #420 gwangung

Every single damn black person knows who the KKK are. Don’t THEY count?

According to Ron, if 100 black people were aware of the KKK, it would only count for 60.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:47am

What was that film with Chevy Chase?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:49:48am

re: #421 Belafon

Because it’s pretty obvious he’s talking about freedom for only a certain set of people.

Yeah that was pretty obvious to me.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:50:19am

re: #420 gwangung

Every single damn black person knows who the KKK are. Don’t THEY count?

Ron Paul and blacks. What do you think the answer to your question is?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:50:33am
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:51:35am

re: #388 Nyet

“There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.”

Move aside, MLK.

“There is no one in the recorded annals of human history that has been for all good and against all evil as I have. I’m am the greatest human ever. You should all be glad to have me, This I can tell you.”

I still say he should just go all the way and tell everyone he is the second coming and be fucking done with it! /

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:52:07am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

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I think he forgot a big part of Bush’s re-election was praying to people’s fear of gays getting married. So yeah they certainly do Paul. Or the Willie Horton ad. Or Reagan talking about the welfare queen and young bucks and t bones. Or the attacks on McCain in the 2000 SC primaries. And of course Paul’s own Whip, Steve Scalise.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:52:08am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

That’s stupid even for an asshole like Paul. Really 100 people? The KKK is quite well known. I knew who they were when I was a kid. I even remember my grandfather telling me he remembered the KKK going through his hometown and it sort of shuck his family up (they were Catholic Eastern European immigrants.).

White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Pasadena, Texas

30 miles from his old practice in Lake Jackson TX

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Houston, Texas

40 miles

Bullshitter.

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TedStriker  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:53:03am

re: #429 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:53:05am

re: #432 Decatur Deb

White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Pasadena, Texas

30 miles from his old practice in Lake Jackson TX

United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Houston, Texas

40 miles

Bullshitter.

His whole career is bullshit.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:53:52am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

I can no longer participate in the gun control debate without this video going through my mind.

Jim Jefferies — Gun Control (Part 1) from BARE — Netflix Special

Jim Jefferies — Gun Control (Part 2) from BARE — Netflix Special

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:59:23am

re: #435 Romantic Heretic

I can no longer participate in the gun control debate without this video going through my mind.

For me, it’s Christopher Titus’ “arm the children” bit, which I can’t find at the moment…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 7:59:55am

lol A Rubio commercial just popped up here in Chicago. Re: Trump and the KKK. Rubio comparing himself to Reagan. What a waste of 15 seconds.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:01:02am

re: #436 KGxvi

For me, it’s Christopher Titus’ “arm the children” bit, which I can’t find at the moment…

Chris Rock and bullet control. But since you brought up Titus, I enjoyed his show in the early 00’s.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:01:44am
KKK? Who? Where? What?
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:02:41am

re: #437 GlutenFreeJesus

lol A Rubio commercial just popped up here in Chicago. Re: Trump and the KKK. Rubio comparing himself to Reagan. What a waste of 15 seconds.

I saw a similiar one with a quote from Rush that calls Rubio a disciple of Reagan. Somehow I don’t think adolescent Marco was hanging out with Reagan. i mean I know Rush did not mean a literal disciple but the ad just sucked. Granted I know I wasn’t its target audience but Rubio’s lame sauce.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:02:49am

LOLWUT

Here’s what he said==>

“So are you prepared right now to make a clear and unequivocal renouncing the support of all white supremacists?,” Stephanopoulos asked.

“Of course I am. Of course I am. I mean, there’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have,” Trump said. “You take a look at Palm Beach, Fla., I built the Mar-A-Lago Club, totally open to everybody. A club that, frankly, set a new standard in clubs and a new standard in Palm Beach. And I’ve gotten great credit for it. That is totally open to everybody. So of course I am.”

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:02:53am

After today, it’s going to be really interesting, in a morbid way, to watch the GOP establishment try to stump the Trump.

I’m getting a lot of shares of the Jon Oliver “Drumpf” video on Facebook, and the more reasonable Republicans I know are basically announcing that they’re caucusing more to prevent Trump from winning than casting an affirmative vote for one of the others.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:03:24am

re: #439 nines09

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Motherfucker is originally from Pittsburgh. Same city my great great grandfather lived in when he donned Union Blue 155 years ago.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:03:41am

In other news, I think I caught Frank’s flu. Crap.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:03:49am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Here’s what he said==>

Uh huh……….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:04:42am

re: #442 withak

After today, it’s going to be really interesting, in a morbid way, to watch the GOP establishment try to stump the Trump.

I’m getting a lot of shares of the Jon Oliver “Drumpf” video on Facebook, and the more reasonable Republicans I know are basically announcing that they’re caucusing more to prevent Trump from winning than casting an affirmative vote for one of the others.

I’m seeing that form some people I know too. Glad to see it but I wonder what they’ll say if Trump actually is the nominee or actually come to terms with Trump is a symptom not the illness in the GOP and American right.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:04:53am

re: #379 Decatur Deb

It goes much deeper than that. As a gun sales lobby the NRA would back import bans and gun buy-back/destruction programs, controlling the supply and demand sides. They don’t.

That’s because they aren’t a lobby for an industry. They’re a lobby for a faith.

That faith is America, which is distinctly different from the American nation. That faith’s holy icons are firearms and the flag. It’s why the faithful have more and bigger of each. By doing so the faithful are demonstrating their faith.

It’s why after mass shootings they declare the solution is more firearms. If the faith spreads to everybody then evil will be destroyed.

This is why the gun control debate in America will go on forever. One side is arguing practical politics to deal with a problem while the other is arguing faith. They can’t even understand each other because they are actually talking about different things.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:05:42am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Louis Farrakhan AND David Duke support Donald Trump. It’s a weird time to be alive. There is an anomaly in The Matrix.

Nah. The Architect is just fucking with us.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:06:27am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Ron openly courted the secessionist rabid dog voter vote. And I think some members of that club were….Nah. Never heard of them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:06:37am

re: #447 Romantic Heretic

That’s because they aren’t a lobby for an industry. They’re a lobby for a faith.

And the gun is a holy talisman that wards off tyranny and crime simply by being held in the hands of a True Patriot…

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:06:54am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:08:05am

re: #449 nines09

Ron openly courted the secessionist rabid dog voter vote. And I think some members of that club were….Nah. Never heard of them.

Oh I know. I am just pointing out how annoyed I get when people from the North kiss the CSA’s ass.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:09:24am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Here’s what he said==>

Blacks & Jews, finally admitted to a golf club on Palm Beach. & I’m seriously questioning the black part.

Asshole

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:09:52am

Is this what Trump is taking about when he says he’s done so much for people regarding equality?

From CNN
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:10:56am

re: #453 Stanley Sea

Blacks & Jews, finally admitted to a golf club on Palm Beach. & I’m seriously questioning the black part.

Asshole

It’s amazing how exclusive those golf clubs were. A lot of them used to forbid Catholics oto I believe. I wouldn’t want to be a member of such a club anyhow. And besides golf is boring.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:11:02am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

No one has ever done as much as I have for minorities with 100 grand (and fees) a year to spend on a membership. No one. Whoa. Get back in line, MLK.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:12:40am
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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:15:24am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

They only want to celebrate their “Heritage.” That’s why there was such an outrage over “Heritage” being hijacked when the KKK marched with that beloved piece of “heritage.”
You could hear them cry out…”HEY! NO! THAT’S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS……”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:15:39am

re: #457 Charles Johnson

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Man SMOTI in denial even for a stupid wingnut. Just face it Jim, Duke loves your guy because your guy appeals to white supremacists like him and oyu.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:17:07am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how exclusive those golf clubs were. A lot of them used to forbid Catholics oto I believe. I wouldn’t want to be a member of such a club anyhow. And besides golf is boring.

I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member!

-Groucho Marx

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:17:27am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I saw a similiar one with a quote from Rush that calls Rubio a disciple of Reagan. Somehow I don’t think adolescent Marco was hanging out with Reagan. i mean I know Rush did not mean a literal disciple but the ad just sucked. Granted I know I wasn’t its target audience but Rubio’s lame sauce.

I thought Rushbo said that Ted Cruz was the closest thing he’d seen to Reagan since forever.

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plansbandc  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:18:37am

From the sane side of my FB…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:19:26am

re: #461 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I thought Rushbo said that Ted Cruz was the closest thing he’d seen to Reagan since forever.

He’s praised Trump too. I’m sure he said that about Cruz. too though.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:21:17am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

He’s praised Trump too. I’m sure he said that about Cruz. too though.

Also Jeb Bush is the most Reagan ever and Ben Carson even more Reagan. Although Rick Perry was pretty fabulous Reagan and that Louisiana governor guy was like Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:23:12am

re: #464 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Also Jeb Bush is the most Reagan ever and Ben Carson even more Reagan. Although Rick Perry was pretty fabulous Reagan and that Louisiana governor guy was like Reagan.

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I’m waiting for someone actually named Reagan to seek office as a Republican and ironically not be a fan of Reagan. Humor aside, I think it’s sad that none of these guys can be themselves so they all have to resort to being their idea of a man who left office nearly 30 years ago. Don’t get me wrong. I understand why Reagan matters to Republicans but it’s time to get over him and actually be yourself. Besides I don’t think Reagan was that special.

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The Engineer Lobuno  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:24:05am

re: #462 plansbandc

The image is very true.

I just wanted to comment that they should have selected a name without that unfortunate acronym…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:25:26am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for someone actually named Reagan to seek office as a Republican and ironically not be a fan of Reagan. Humor aside, I think it’s sad that none of these guys can be themselves so they all have to resort to being their idea of a man who left office nearly 30 years ago. Don’t get me wrong. I understand why Reagan matters to Republicans but it’s time to get over him and actually be yourself. Besides I don’t think Reagan was that special.

Do you mean the real-life historical Reagan or the rose-tinted-image-of-the-ideal-Republican-president Reagan? Only the latter counts for the GOP…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:26:31am

re: #467 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Do you mean the real-life historical Reagan or the rose-tinted-image-of-the-ideal-Republican-president Reagan? Only the latter counts for the GOP…

The rose tinted one of course. The actual Reagan did things that would make Reagan if he were a candidate poll worse than Jeb has with this party’s base.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:26:36am

Anyone have any ideas why the (D) ballots in MA are shaded red and the (R) ballots are shaded blue?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:29:11am

re: #469 Franklin

Anyone have any ideas why the (D) ballots in MA are shaded red and the (R) ballots are shaded blue?

Red and Blue are arbitrary. The common American party distinction comes from TV graphics. In Europe, red tends to stand for Socialist/Communist parties while blue is more common with the Tory or other conservative parties.

Just like “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French Parliament, instituted to keep loyalist and opposition delegates from assaulting each other…

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:29:19am

Has Reagan made the turn to “Founding Father” yet?? No? Don’t worry, Soon……

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:30:50am

re: #471 Dave In Austin

Has Reagan made the turn to “Founding Father” yet?? No? Don’t worry, Soon……

If they made him into a Founding Father, then they’d be conveniently ignoring some of his statements and actions in order to fit their agenda. Oh wait.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:31:08am

re: #471 Dave In Austin

Has Reagan made the turn to “Founding Father” yet?? No? Don’t worry, Soon……

I knew that Reagan worship was getting bad when he was named greatest American in something the Discovery Channel ten years ago. I mean not Lincoln, not MLK, not George Washington? And so it’s clear I’m not being politically biased Clinton, Carter, and JFK would have been bad choices oto.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:32:43am

re: #471 Dave In Austin

Has Reagan made the turn to “Founding Father” yet?? No? Don’t worry, Soon……

If Trump came out today criticizing Ronny, 45% of the GOP would rip up their Raygun posters hanging above their beds.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:35:08am

re: #473 HappyWarrior

I knew that Reagan worship was getting bad when he was named greatest American in something the Discovery Channel ten years ago. I mean not Lincoln, not MLK, not George Washington? And so it’s clear I’m not being politically biased Clinton, Carter, and JFK would have been bad choices oto.

The Discovery Channel was being politically correct. If Raygun wasn’t include, the right-wing backlash would have been deafening.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:35:16am

re: #470 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Red and Blue are arbitrary. The common American party distinction comes from TV graphics. In Europe, red tends to stand for Socialist/Communist parties while blue is more common with the Tory or other conservative parties.

Just like “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French Parliament, instituted to keep loyalist and opposition delegates from assaulting each other…

While that makes sense, why not use two OTHER arbitrary colors for the ballots? Just seems like an unnecessary confusion (and could be ripe for deception).

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:35:29am

re: #474 Dr. Matt

If Trump came out today criticizing Ronny, 45% of the GOP would rip up their Raygun posters hanging above their beds.

But he does not need to, as that is far enough in the past as to be Legend.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:36:02am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:36:22am

re: #475 Dr. Matt

The Discovery Channel was being politically correct. If Raygun wasn’t include, the right-wing backlash would have been deafening.

It was done based off voting, online voting which always fucks things up.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:36:51am

re: #474 Dr. Matt

If Trump came out today criticizing Ronny, 45% of the GOP would rip up their Raygun posters hanging above their beds.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:36:55am

re: #469 Franklin

Anyone have any ideas why the (D) ballots in MA are shaded red and the (R) ballots are shaded blue?

US Election Atlas

This website freaks my students out. Red/Blue reversed in electoral college

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:36:56am

BTW, today is the anniversary of Breitbart’s death. His legacy of being an asshole is still alive and well at his website and in the GOP presidential race.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:37:00am

re: #476 Franklin

While that makes sense, why not use two OTHER arbitrary colors? Just seems like an unnecessary confusion (and could be ripe for deception).

Aren’t red and blue primary colors?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:37:54am

Louisville:

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:37:58am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

Aren’t red and blue primary colors?

I see what you did there.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:38:47am

re: #481 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

US Election Atlas

This website freaks my students out. Red/Blue reversed in electoral college

(typo in the url)

Oh my, that makes my brain hurt!

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Nojay UK  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:38:58am

re: #470 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just like “left” and “right” are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French Parliament, instituted to keep loyalist and opposition delegates from assaulting each other…

The main debating chamber in the British Parliament is rather anachronistic in modern democracies in that rather than a semi-circle of seats such as in the US Congress and elsewhere, two sets of benches face each other. They are referred to as the Government and Opposition benches.

There are two lines clearly marked on the carpet in front of the benches. Someone standing to speak must be careful not to let their foot cross that line or the Speaker will call them to account. The spacing of the lines is approximately twice the engagement distance of a sword. This is not an accident.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:39:02am

re: #481 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

US Election Atlas

This website freaks my students out. Red/Blue reversed in electoral college

It’s actually based on how the colors were originally done in 1976 but I can see why your students would be confused. It still confuses me. I love that site by the way. Very detailed. I like looking at how counties and states have changed overtime. I also like looking at the extremes. Like FDR getting 98.5% of the vote in South Carolina and Landon 1.5%.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:39:06am

Had students at the Carson event yesterday, at least two that I know of are going to see Trump today.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:39:32am

re: #486 Franklin

(typo in the url)

Oh my, that makes my brain hurt!

uselectionatlas.org
it’s a fascinating site.

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calochortus  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:39:38am

re: #462 plansbandc

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From the sane side of my FB…

The group’s initials are a poor choice: DOA
(edit so you don’t have to go back and look-Democrats Organizing for America)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:40:17am
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dharmamark  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:40:42am

re: #461 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I thought Rushbo said that Ted Cruz was the closest thing he’d seen to Reagan since forever.

Rubio = Quayle 2.0

Oops, I read that as Rubio, not Cruz. Still, my point stands…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:41:02am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:41:05am

re: #486 Franklin

url edited. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:41:45am

re: #485 Franklin

I see what you did there.

Haha I did. That’s probably why they go with those colors. Political colors are interesting though. Purple and white typically monarchist. Green environment recently but historically agrarian and farmers parties. I’ll have to look up some more but the colors of politics is sort of interesting. Now our two animal mascots come from Thomas Nast’s cartoons. I have no idea if other country’s political parties use animals as mascots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:42:17am
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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:43:32am

Some pics from my trip to the Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum over the weekend…

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:43:34am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:44:04am

What I like to do and it’s harder to trace is look at how certain demographics voted. Did you know that in the early years after suffrage that women were more disposed to the Republican party than men were? Today it’s the total opposite.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:46:19am

re: #498 Franklin

Some pics from my trip to the Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum over the weekend…

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I need to visit a presidential library one day. One of my professors at GMU, Richard Norton Smith was director of quite a few of the Republican ones. Fascinating guy. He taught a class on the US presidency and when we learned about Jerry Ford, he pops in a tape of him giving one of the eulogies at the funeral in Michigan. I wonder what he’s thinking about Trump and all this. He was from what I understand a liberal Republican since he got his start working for Ed Brooke in Massachusetts. Not sure if he still was one when he taught the class. He was fair though.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:46:37am

Voting in an hour, and no one from either party has made a desperate GOTV call.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:47:27am

re: #499 FormerDirtDart

A design coup: a ‘Stop Donald Trump’ poster laid out as a swastika.

As soon as President Trump takes office, that person is gonna get sued to kingdom come…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:48:25am
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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:50:04am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:50:28am

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sigh. But all lives matter they tell me and it will be a struggle to even get an indictment here.

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mmmirele  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:51:14am

When I was an undergrad ar UT Austin, the Klan would show up for a rally at the state capitol. Because of an incident in 1983, the cops would turn out in force and then plead with students to PLEASE stay away. Of course, being young and looking for fun, of course we’d go and protest the Klan. So there’d be less than a dozen Klansmen, hundreds of cops and over 10,000 howling Austinites, Keeping Austin Weird. Good times good times.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:52:28am

re: #501 HappyWarrior

I need to visit a presidential library one day. One of my professors at GMU, Richard Norton Smith was director of quite a few of the Republican ones. Fascinating guy. He taught a class on the US presidency and when we learned about Jerry Ford, he pops in a tape of him giving one of the eulogies at the funeral in Michigan. I wonder what he’s thinking about Trump and all this. He was from what I understand a liberal Republican since he got his start working for Ed Brooke in Massachusetts. Not sure if he still was one when he taught the class. He was fair though.

I’ve told this story on here before but…

On the day of finalizing my divorce at the Edward Brooke courthouse in Boston back in 2004 there was a media frenzy …

After filing papers stating their intent to marry, the couples in Boston walked quickly to Brooke Courthouse where they obtained waivers allowing them to forgo the required three-day waiting period before marriage.

They then returned to City Hall to receive marriage licenses.

Mayor Thomas Menino personally welcomed Compton and Wilson, as well as two other plaintiff couples — Mike Horgan and Ed Balmelli, and Hillary and Julie Goodridge. It was Goodridge for whom the lawsuit was named after

“We’ve broken down the barrier,” said Menino at City Hall. “I am so proud of these people. I am very proud to be mayor of this city today.”

And I am proud to have been there that day, even if for other reasons.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:52:45am

OT: I guess I should finally get around to reading The Dark Tower:

consequenceofsound.net

It’s nice to see that Elba isn’t too “street” to play Roland.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:53:45am

re: #272 Targetpractice

They wanted Warren badly and tried to lobby for her to run last year, even suggested “drafting” her. When she made it clear she wasn’t running, they had to settle for Bernie, but they still held out hope that he’d get her nod and thus be seen as her champion. So her deciding not to endorse, but to actually sign a DNC fundraiser email, was a solid kick in the jimmies to them.

And Warren raising money for Hassan, Strickland and Feingold will be a whole lot more valuable to their “cause” than an endorsement of Bernie. But they’re too narrowcast in their obsession to see it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:55:32am

re: #508 Franklin

I’ve told this story on here before but…

On the day of finalizing my divorce at the Edward Brooke courthouse in Boston back in 2004 there was a media frenzy …

And I am proud to have been there that day, even if for other reasons.

Brooke was a great man. What a moment to witness that though.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:55:36am

re: #509 withak

OT: I guess I should finally get around to reading The Dark Tower:

consequenceofsound.net

It’s nice to see that Elba isn’t too “street” to play Roland.

I believe there were some howls when that was first announced. If you care, you might google it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:56:24am

re: #510 BeachDem

And Warren raising money for Hassan, Strickland and Feingold will be a whole lot more valuable to their “cause” than an endorsement of Bernie. But they’re too narrowcast in their obsession to see it.

Right.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:57:31am

re: #507 mmmirele

When I was an undergrad ar UT Austin, the Klan would show up for a rally at the state capitol. Because of an incident in 1983, the cops would turn out in force and then plead with students to PLEASE stay away. Of course, being young and looking for fun, of course we’d go and protest the Klan. So there’d be less than a dozen Klansmen, hundreds of cops and over 10,000 howling Austinites, Keeping Austin Weird. Good times good times.

Either in 1987 or 1988, the Klan tried to hold a march in Abilene, TX. While the city had to allow it on 1st amendment grounds, enough people showed up to protest that the Klan cancelled it. Abilene didn’t and doesn’t have the best race record, but at least people didn’t want that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 8:59:58am

From what a friend who lives in Arlington, Va told me, the former headquarters of the American Nazi Party is now a mom and pop coffee shop owned and ran by a gay couple.

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:00:58am

re: #514 Belafon

Either in 1987 or 1988, the Klan tried to hold a march in Abilene, TX. While the city had to allow it on 1st amendment grounds, enough people showed up to protest that the Klan cancelled it. Abilene didn’t and doesn’t have the best race record, but at least people didn’t want that.

Funny that the KKK was able to march for 1a reasons, while gays were prevented from marching in Boston’s St Patricks Day Parade for the same reason :)

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:02:57am
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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:03:16am

re: #516 Franklin

Funny that the KKK was able to march for 1a reasons, while gays were prevented from marching in Boston’s St Patricks Day Parade for the same reason :)

Is the Boston parade sponsored by the city?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:04:35am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Don’t these people have jobs?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:04:49am

re: #516 Franklin

Funny that the KKK was able to march for 1a reasons, while gays were prevented from marching in Boston’s St Patricks Day Parade for the same reason :)

Agh I remember hearing about that in the St. Patrick’s Day parades. I’ve always been proud of my Irish heritage. Less so of the homophobia in the community so naturally Ireland coming out strongly for SSM last year brought me some joy. Only one county voted against.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:09:05am

re: #518 Belafon

Is the Boston parade sponsored by the city?

From what I understand, the Knights of Columbus, Royal Order of Hibernarians often sponsored St. Patrick’s Day parades. I don’t know about Boston as I’ve never lived there though.

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withak  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:09:59am

re: #512 Belafon

I believe there were some howls when that was first announced. If you care, you might google it.

I vaguely remember that; I’ll pass on reading the lamentations of small, bigoted minds.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:12:41am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

I’d worry more about the dogs. Dogs overreact to strangers way more than cats. Cats just run and hide.

… and grab the sniper from the closet and then it’s over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:14:40am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

From what I understand, the Knights of Columbus, Royal Order of Hibernarians often sponsored St. Patrick’s Day parades. I don’t know about Boston as I’ve never lived there though.

My father was a member of AOH.
I know you enjoy quirky history, so here’s a link for you: aoh.com

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:15:47am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

From what I understand, the Knights of Columbus, Royal Order of Hibernarians often sponsored St. Patrick’s Day parades. I don’t know about Boston as I’ve never lived there though.

If it’s not sponsored by the city, then it’s a private parade, and they could exclude who they want. There would be nothing stopping the gays from having their own parade. Imagine the KKK being required to have blacks in their parades.

The first amendment is complex, and it’s ultimately a good thing it’s not required to adhere to our emotional whims.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:18:56am

re: #525 Belafon

If it’s not sponsored by the city, then it’s a private parade, and they could exclude who they want. There would be nothing stopping the gays from having their own parade. Imagine the KKK being required to have blacks in their parades.

The first amendment is complex, and it’s ultimately a good thing it’s not required to adhere to our emotional whims.

Oh yeah no doubt. Just saying the homophobia is a stain is all.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:19:49am

re: #525 Belafon

I always liked it when the Boy Scouts won the right to not include gays, but then couldn’t understand why they couldn’t sue to force the government to fund them.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:19:51am

re: #524 Backwoods_Sleuth

My father was a member of AOH.
I know you enjoy quirky history, so here’s a link for you: aoh.com

Thanks for that. I don’t think any of my Irish family members were members of AOH or KOC but who knows.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:20:22am

re: #527 Belafon

I always liked it when the Boy Scouts won the right to not include gays, but then couldn’t understand why they couldn’t sue to force the government to fund them.

Yep, if your private group wants to be bigots, that is your right, but don’t expect the U.S taxpayer to help you out.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:21:14am

re: #526 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah no doubt. Just saying the homophobia is a stain is all.

Agree. And while I wish the parades were required to include them, just as private clubs should be inclusive, I don’t want to be required to have Rush Limbaugh in any group I would be part of.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:22:42am

You know what makes the genealogical research fun is you can find out if you work really hard where people were from. I mean many people have a general idea what countries their grandparents and great grandparents came from but until I actively researched, I had no idea where. My impression on my Irish heritage was that they were all from the West but so far most of the people I’ve found were from Ulster. Had thought my German relatives were Bavarian Catholics. Nope Hessian Protestants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:23:02am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

Thanks for that. I don’t think any of my Irish family members were members of AOH or KOC but who knows.

Until I read that link, I did not realize that AOH essentially started with Pennsylvania coal miners as a reaction to the nativist Know Nothings.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:23:06am

re: #530 Belafon

Agree. And while I wish the parades were required to include them, just as private clubs should be inclusive, I don’t want to be required to have Rush Limbaugh in any group I would be part of.

Yeah it sets up a dangerous slope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:26:38am

heh

warning: autoplay video at the link.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:27:58am

Haha. The revolt from my co-workers has begun. One of them just played John Oliver’s brilliant takedown of Drumpf in the office and people were laughing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:28:04am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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warning: autoplay video at the link.

Some of them may hate Muslims more than Mexicans, diversity!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:31:01am

Today ought to be amusing.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:31:09am

re: #524 Backwoods_Sleuth

My father was a member of AOH.
I know you enjoy quirky history, so here’s a link for you: aoh.com

Interesting stuff, thanks. This part in particular jumped out at me because of the Qur’an burnings & Muhammad cartoons:

The Early Irish in America
As the Irish population grew, anti-Catholic forces celebrated Pope Day, and carried straw effigies of St. Patrick on March 17 which were desecrated to taunt the Irish. The new Irish were quick to defend their honor; their reaction was swift, and violence was a normal result. The influence of the growing Irish population finally forced the city to ban such effigies in 1802. […]

Appeasement!!

The more things change… *smh*

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:34:00am

re: #538 CuriousLurker

Interesting stuff, thanks. This part in particular jumped out at me because of the Qur’an burnings & Muhammad cartoons:

Appeasement!!

The more things change… *smh*

More things change, more they stay the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:34:58am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:35:47am

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Doesn’t Trump frequently swear on the stump?

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:38:07am
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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:38:07am

re: #535 Lidane

Haha. The revolt from my co-workers has begun. One of them just played John Oliver’s brilliant takedown of Drumpf in the office and people were laughing.

Lucky you. I’ve got a guy that says “Democrat Party”.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:39:31am
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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:39:34am

re: #538 CuriousLurker

Thanks again for the calendar. I got a new picture today!

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:40:39am

LOLOLOL, so as I posted above, Bradley Smith has died and here’s the memorial edition of the Smith Report, where the who’s who of the Holocaust denial lament the passing:

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They also gathered the comments from the CODOH condolences thread, but being the idiots they are, they apparently didn’t read them, because on p.18 we read:

Smith did yeoman work for revisionism.
Unfortunately his holocaust
forum has been taken over by
numbskull moderators who repeatedly
censor divergent revisionist
views. So honor his life work but
beware of CODOH. Caryn Goddard

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:41:24am

J Jonah Jameson Laughing - Spiderman (HD version)

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:41:25am

re: #518 Belafon

Is the Boston parade sponsored by the city?

My comment was more tongue in cheek. It is a private parade. Granted the issue is (hopefully) a thing of the past as several groups were allowed to march last year.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:41:38am
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:43:08am

Hey, I finally found out what DNC chair DWS has been doing with her time.

DNC Chair Joins GOP Attack On Elizabeth Warren’s Agency

WASHINGTON — Payday lenders have been gunning for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since the day President Barack Obama tapped Elizabeth Warren to set up the new agency. They’ve had plenty of help from congressional Republicans — longtime recipients of campaign contributions from the payday loan industry. As the CFPB has moved closer to adopting new rules to shield families from predatory lending, the GOP has assailed the agency from every conceivable angle — going after it’s budget, attempting to tie its hands with new layers of red tape, fomenting conspiracy theories about rogue regulators illegally shutting down businesses and launching direct attacks on payday loan rules themselves.

To date, the GOP blitz has resulted in a few close shaves for the young agency, but no actual defeats. But the industry has cultivated a powerful new ally in recent weeks: Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.).

Wasserman Schultz is co-sponsoring a new bill that would gut the CFPB’s forthcoming payday loan regulations. She’s also attempting to gin up Democratic support for the legislation on Capitol Hill, according to a memo obtained by The Huffington Post.

huffingtonpost.com

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:44:10am

re: #550 Skip Intro

God, DWS is such an incompetent hack. I can’t stand her.

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:45:18am

re: #551 Lidane

When the Democrats lose it all this fall, remember who was in charge and wonder “WTH?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:45:19am

re: #550 Skip Intro

Hey, I finally found out what DNC chair DWS has been doing with her time.

DNC Chair Joins GOP Attack On Elizabeth Warren’s Agency

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WASHINGTON — Payday lenders have been gunning for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since the day President Barack Obama tapped Elizabeth Warren to set up the new agency. They’ve had plenty of help from congressional Republicans — longtime recipients of campaign contributions from the payday loan industry. As the CFPB has moved closer to adopting new rules to shield families from predatory lending, the GOP has assailed the agency from every conceivable angle — going after it’s budget, attempting to tie its hands with new layers of red tape, fomenting conspiracy theories about rogue regulators illegally shutting down businesses and launching direct attacks on payday loan rules themselves.

To date, the GOP blitz has resulted in a few close shaves for the young agency, but no actual defeats. But the industry has cultivated a powerful new ally in recent weeks: Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.).

Wasserman Schultz is co-sponsoring a new bill that would gut the CFPB’s forthcoming payday loan regulations. She’s also attempting to gin up Democratic support for the legislation on Capitol Hill, according to a memo obtained by The Huffington Post.

huffingtonpost.com

Hopefully we get a new DNC chair. DWS just isn’t it.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:45:27am

re: #550 Skip Intro

Hey, I finally found out what DNC chair DWS has been doing with her time.

DNC Chair Joins GOP Attack On Elizabeth Warren’s Agency

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WASHINGTON — Payday lenders have been gunning for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since the day President Barack Obama tapped Elizabeth Warren to set up the new agency. They’ve had plenty of help from congressional Republicans — longtime recipients of campaign contributions from the payday loan industry. As the CFPB has moved closer to adopting new rules to shield families from predatory lending, the GOP has assailed the agency from every conceivable angle — going after it’s budget, attempting to tie its hands with new layers of red tape, fomenting conspiracy theories about rogue regulators illegally shutting down businesses and launching direct attacks on payday loan rules themselves.

To date, the GOP blitz has resulted in a few close shaves for the young agency, but no actual defeats. But the industry has cultivated a powerful new ally in recent weeks: Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.).

Wasserman Schultz is co-sponsoring a new bill that would gut the CFPB’s forthcoming payday loan regulations. She’s also attempting to gin up Democratic support for the legislation on Capitol Hill, according to a memo obtained by The Huffington Post.

huffingtonpost.com

Palm tree to the face.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:45:54am

My (first) beautiful baby (daughter JJ) turns 40 today! Happy birthday, princess!

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:45:57am

re: #550 Skip Intro

There’s something a Democratic challenger could go after her for.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:46:06am

re: #549 The Vicious Babushka

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I wonder how they feel about Trump’s daughter being Jewish.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:46:34am

re: #551 Lidane

God, DWS is such an incompetent hack. I can’t stand her.

I really thought most of the party had gotten over the idea that people will vote for Republican Lite when the real deal is right there on the next chad down. Apparently not.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:48:31am

re: #555 Shiplord Kirel

My (first) beautiful baby (daughter JJ) turns 40 today! Happy birthday, princess!

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She’s catching 40 winks there. She wasn’t even 40 lbs. yet!

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CuriousLurker  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:52:12am

re: #545 wrenchwench

Thanks again for the calendar. I got a new picture today!

LOL, you’re welcome!

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:52:46am

Drumpf bots will see the NYT and ignore it, but this is actually a pretty good editorial:

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:53:23am

re: #558 Testy Toad T

I really thought most of the party had gotten over the idea that people will pick Republican Lite when the real deal is right there on the next chad down. Apparently not.

I suspect this is about who DWS considers her constituents.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:54:07am

OK I missed this news from January:

edition.cnn.com

French comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, who was last year sentenced to two months in prison by a Belgian court for “inciting hatred” during a performance, claims he’s been held at Hong Kong airport.

He was due to perform shows in the city on Thursday and Friday, but was detained by immigration authorities along with his two sons on arrival at Hong Kong International Airport early Thursday.

[…]

His detention follows warnings by the French and Israeli consulates in the city about the performer, known for his homophobic, racist and anti-Semitic material, who holds a string of convictions in France.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:54:22am

re: #550 Skip Intro

Your link goes to an article about Trump.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:55:28am

re: #561 Lidane

Drumpf bots will see the NYT and ignore it, but this is actually a pretty good editorial:

.

“As the great Christian apologist C. S. Lewis wrote, “We must picture hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement and where everyone has a grievance.”

Enter Donald Trump, alpha male.”

Damn, you ain’t kidding.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:56:03am

re: #549 The Vicious Babushka

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If there is an afterlife and a Hell, I hope Duke and Farrakhan wake up amidst the flames nude with their scrotums superglued together, and be forced to jump rope for a thousand years.

“Now… Kiss! Mwahahaha!” - Satan

//ancient Chinese curse?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:57:20am

re: #566 Pawn of the Oppressor

If there is an afterlife and a Hell, I hope Duke and Farrakhan wake up amidst the flames nude with their scrotums superglued together, and be forced to jump rope for a thousand years.

The funniest buddy comedy to hit Hell since Adi and Benny, Hellbound Pictures presents Fark and Duke.

568
Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:58:13am

Fox “news” is pimping yet another benghazi/email non-scandal: foxnews.com

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:58:54am

re: #549 The Vicious Babushka

Kevin MacDonald also posted “Jewish Fear And Loathing Of Donald Trump” both at VDARE and The Occidental Observer. Duke and MacDonald are big pals.

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weave  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:59:23am

Am I a horrible person?

I am hoping Trump wins tonight. redstate.com is in full meltdown mode and it’s so entertaining to watch. Their current top story is whining about a rumor that Ted Cruz is dropping out in exchange for a SC appointment. Awww, those that live by the sword….

It’s just way too entertaining, but the danger of him ultimately winning is just too risky. :-(

Then again, none of them are “safe.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 9:59:54am

re: #569 Nyet

Kevin MacDonald also posted “Jewish Fear And Loathing Of Donald Trump” both at VDARE and The Occidental Observer. Duke and MacDonald are big pals.

MacDonald like Jared Taylor IIRC is one of those “race realists” who uses pseudo-science to justify his racism.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:01:11am

re: #570 weave

Am I a horrible person?

I am hoping Trump wins tonight. redstate.com is in full meltdown mode and it’s so entertaining to watch. Their current top story is whining about a rumor that Ted Cruz is dropping out in exchange for a SC appointment. Awww, those that live by the sword….

It’s just way too entertaining, but the danger of him ultimately winning is just too risky. :-(

Then again, none of them are “safe.”

I think the GOP deserves Trump so they can get the racist bigoted nominee they deserve. It took nearly 50 years but the Southern Strategy voters finally have a candidate that actually talks like them and doesn’t hide it.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:01:19am

re: #570 weave

It’s just way too entertaining, but the danger of him ultimately winning is just too risky. :-(

Then again, none of them are “safe.”

For whatever it’s worth, I think Trump would waste much more of his hypothetical political capital (to the extent that concept still has meaning) attempting to pass legislation that would obviously not pass constitutional muster. Rubio and Cruz have much better ideas of what government can conceivably actually do.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:02:09am

re: #573 Testy Toad T

For whatever it’s worth, I think Trump would waste much more of his hypothetical political capital (to the extent that concept still has meaning) attempting to pass legislation that would obviously not pass constitutional muster. Rubio and Cruz have much better ideas of what government can conceivably actually do.

Rubio and Cruz scare me just as much as Trump. Rubio for his Will Rodgers war like beliefs and staunchly anti choice beliefs and Cruz fo rhis theocratic bullshit.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:02:43am

re: #570 weave

The whole #NeverTrump will fade away by the end of the month as Trump steamrolls his way to the convention. The GOP has always been about stopping Hillary at any cost, and Trump would fit that bill as much as any other GOP nominee. They don’t care he’s a raving lunatic or a racist or a misogynist or Islamophobe.

Or that he promises stuff he knows he can’t keep.

Stopping Hillary is the only mission. So all the BS about never Trump will disappear, even as the racism and hate continues spewing forth from Trump, his supporters, and surrogates.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:02:55am

re: #570 weave

Their current top story is whining about a rumor that Ted Cruz is dropping out in exchange for a SC appointment. “

LOL! His own party hates him. Does Cruz actually think his fellow senators would confirm him??

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:03:42am

re: #576 Dr. Matt

LOL! His own party hates him. Does Cruz actually think his fellow senators would confirm him??

They might just to get him out of the senate

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:03:47am
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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:05:01am

re: #564 CuriousLurker

Your link goes to an article about Trump.

Thanks. Fixed it.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:05:34am

re: #575 lawhawk

The whole #NeverTrump will fade away by the end of the month as Trump steamrolls his way to the convention. The GOP has always been about stopping Hillary at any cost, and Trump would fit that bill as much as any other GOP nominee. They don’t care he’s a raving lunatic or a racist or a misogynist or Islamophobe.

On the contrary, I think we’ll see more and more elected officials not-so-tacitly criticize of Trump in order to preserve downballot candidates. We’ve already seen this from Ryan, McConnell, and Cornyn.

There will be a bifurcation between those who embrace Trump in hopes of being offered positions within his administration and those who think the Senate must be retained at all costs.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:08:05am

re: #580 Testy Toad T

I just don’t see that happening, the Trump supporters are the base and when was the last time that anyone in the GOP had the fortitude to stand up to the base? And it doesn’t preserve down-ticket candidates if you piss off the base. They might end up splitting tickets just to get back at the people who have complained about Trump.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:09:51am

re: #580 Testy Toad T

Watch Trump sideline those guys who are rightfully concerned about the down-ticket fallout from Trump on the ballot. And Trump’s tone-deaf enough to actually attack them over not openly supporting him.

The din of opposition to Trump as the nominee will fade as we head into the summer, and these current statements in opposition will be forgotten too.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:09:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:10:04am

only if you are a white Christian male…

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:11:12am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

only if you are a white Christian male…

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Well, he is a constitutional originalist. ;)

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Dr. Matt  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:11:17am

re: #584 Nyet

TMI.

Trump is a closeted bottom.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:11:58am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

only if you are a white Christian male…

Some are just more equal than others.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:14:52am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

only if you are a white Christian male…

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And yet you remain anti-gay, anti-immigrant. Nice try but people aren’t falling for it.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:15:41am

re: #581 Timothy Watson

I just don’t see that happening, the Trump supporters are the base and when was the last time that anyone in the GOP had the fortitude to stand up to the base? And it doesn’t preserve down-ticket candidates if you piss off the base. They might end up splitting tickets just to get back at the people who have complained about Trump.

It’s already unprecedented enough for them to make such statements in the first place that I don’t think history is necessarily a very good guide as to whether they’ll fall in line as summer passes.

I’m not saying they definitely won’t, but we’re in already on the “here be dragons” part of the map.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:15:53am

re: #561 Lidane

I wonder if it will impact, though.

Between following my local churches and what I read online, it seems to me likes there’s a long-term thing that’s started fruiting just recently: many of these megachurches and highly charismatic congregations are based around more and more gnostic readings of the Bible, while eschewing the more basic meanings of teachings. And the interpreters of the Bible is a small group of people who have created a “reading” in which this is God’s country, and that the norms and ideals of a certain US demographic—white, middle class, Christian, Republican—are the correct decoder ring through which to filter the parables and pronouncements of the New Testament, and the laws of the Old.

A quick representation of this is the work of David Barton, but a simpler (and dumber) representation is Kirk Cameron’s “Saving Christmas”: the modern apologist engages in anachronism and texting-sampling so that “things that US conservative believe and do” is holy and righteous. This means finding strong Biblical endorsement for ideas not addressed (abortion), and radically transforming strong admonitions on other subjects (holding of wealth, forgiveness, being judgmental).

Remember Andrew Schafly’s conservative Bible project? It was a total joke because of how bald it was…but the same process of re-rigging the meaning of the Bible has been happening. Look at guys like Mark Driscoll, or the whole “prosperity gospel crowd.” Schafly’s idiot concept got repackaged and it’s sold well.

Impious Trump succeeding with “evangelicals” falls into line with this phenomenon. There’s been a series of deformations of meaning to make selfishness a merit, to make wealth and consumption a sign of divine favor…it’s not that far of a leap to find the agency of God behind Trump. It’s not that they see Trump as “one of us,” it’s that they see his positions and his power as coherent with theirs…and thus as coherent with the positions of Divinity (as they have characterized it.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:15:53am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the Party of Lincoln. We believe all people are equal in the eyes of God and our government.

I guess he means they are the party of the Lincoln who wanted to resettle all the slaves back to Africa…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:16:30am
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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:17:06am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

only if you are a white Christian male…

[This is the Party of Lincoln]

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bratwurst  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:17:34am

That’s right…it’s LIBERALS who are at fault for the fact that real live white supremacists are lining up behind Trump, and some people don’t have a problem with that.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:18:10am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:19:24am

re: #595 bratwurst

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That’s right…it’s LIBERALS who are at fault for the fact that real live white supremacists are lining up behind Trump, and some people don’t have a problem with that.

Yeah blame the liberals for the fact that Republican voters like the guy backed by Davie fucking Duke. Typical conservative refusal to take responsibility for their own actions while projecting it on other people. Own up your racism cons for once. This isn’t the fault of the left, this was your fault the second Richard Nixon decided he wanted Strom Thurmond’s support nearly 50 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:20:03am

re: #596 lawhawk

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or rights for women. This is a fucking joke.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:20:27am

re: #595 bratwurst

That’s right…it’s LIBERALS who are at fault for the fact that real live white supremacists are lining up behind Trump, and some people don’t have a problem with that.

Telling people to stop running red lights doesn’t demean the value of lights.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:20:50am

re: #599 Belafon

Telling people to stop running red lights doesn’t demean the value of lights.

Right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:21:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:21:28am

just. wow.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:21:44am

re: #601 The Vicious Babushka

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To be fair, Abe probably felt that way when Reagan took over.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:22:42am

re: #602 Backwoods_Sleuth

just. wow.

[Embedded content]

Party of dicks. Just never knew it would turn into a dick size contest. Maybe Marco should pull his pants down and compare .// And Cruz can say while his dick isn’t the largest, it is the most conservative. And Kasich and Carson mention they too possess a penis.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:23:20am

They didn’t want to hear the truth of what we all saw, that the Republican party has become the home of racists, and that even people who didn’t want to believe they were racist were either being racist or supporting those that are. Now that it’s completely out in the open, don’t blame us for being right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:23:37am

re: #603 HappyWarrior

To be fair, Abe probably felt that way when Reagan took over.

I’d like to see a superhero cartoon where Abe, Teddy and Ike kick the ass of every living Republican.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:24:06am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

Party of dicks. Just never knew it would turn into a dick size contest. Maybe Marco should pull his pants down and compare .// And Cruz can say while his dick isn’t the largest, it is the most conservative. And Kasich and Carson mention they too possess a penis.

WARNING: This can never be unseen.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:24:13am

re: #605 Belafon

But democrats have Al Sharpton!

/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:24:17am

re: #606 The Vicious Babushka

I’d like to see a superhero cartoon where Abe, Teddy and Ike kick the ass of every living Republican.

That’d be great.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:24:50am

re: #605 Belafon

They didn’t want to hear the truth of what we all saw, that the Republican party has become the home of racists, and that even people who didn’t want to believe they were racist were either being racist or supporting those that are. Now that it’s completely out in the open, don’t blame us for being right.

Precisely.

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:26:23am

So CNN has this count down timer that says super tuesday coverage begins in: 4:35:36

It’s weird because all they have been talking about 24/7 since the last primary is super tuesday. Perhaps the timer should say something like: polls start closing

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:27:41am
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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:27:53am

That’s the Appellate Division handing Trump’s lawyers their hats. The lower court (Supreme Court) already ruled in favor of the AG that Trump defrauded the public on multiple grounds, including incorrectly using the word University in their literature. The entity was not accredited and didn’t meet Education Law standards for a university.

Trump’s lawyers had tried claiming that the AG suit was outside the statute of limitations, but the Appellate Division found that wasn’t the case - the causes of action were brought within the 6 year statute of limitations on both the fraud and contract actions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:30:01am

LOL

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:30:04am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:30:08am

re: #613 lawhawk

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Trump to call for all courts that rule against him to be abolished. //

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:30:37am

re: #615 Lidane

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About time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:31:04am

re: #614 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

[Embedded content]

Heh I remember when people I knew thought Rand had a shot.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:31:19am

re: #616 HappyWarrior

Trump to call for all courts that rule against him to be abolished. //

He’ll just sue them with Trump Courts, which are YUUUUUUUGE improvements.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:32:28am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:33:05am

re: #619 Belafon

He’ll just sue them with Trump Courts, which are YUUUUUUUGE improvements.

And all the judges will YUUUUUUUUUUUGE breasts since they’ll be wearing bikins.

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:33:57am

re: #607 The Vicious Babushka

WARNING: This can never be unseen.

[Embedded content]

Ok, there needs to be an option to rehide something after you have revealed it without having to reload the page.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:34:01am

re: #621 HappyWarrior

And all the judges will YUUUUUUUUUUUGE breasts since they’ll be wearing bikins.

And court cases will be literal dick measuring contests, just like the primary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:34:48am

re: #615 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Raw Story got that from “The Blaze”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:35:57am

re: #620 Lidane

[Embedded content]

The one is Trump calling Cruz a pussy.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:36:01am

re: #622 danarchy

Ok, there needs to be an option to rehide something after you have revealed it without having to reload the page.

Open stuff that comes with warnings in the Spy. They scroll on down rapidly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:37:16am

re: #623 Belafon

And court cases will be literal dick measuring contests, just like the primary.

Idiocracy Courtroom Scene

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:38:46am
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:38:54am

Hey…that link to CNN about current national poll that shows Hillary besting Trump in the national election brought up a video with a face I had not seen in some time…David Gregory.

So Gregory is in cable hell now. He fits.

And I just read where the Trumpettes that support the big orange clown were chanting “build the wall…build the wall” to greet His Greatness™ when he landed here in Columbus earlier this morning.

I wonder if Kasich was in attendance?

I would have loved to go see that mess just for the experience, but I figure I have better things to do today then end up in jail and having to call a friend to get me out.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:40:08am

re: #628 wrenchwench

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So they left the Democratic Party for the Republican one because the Republicans bigotry appealed to them? I’m missing how this is a bad thing for Democrats.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:40:32am

re: #628 wrenchwench

Ron thinks he’s insulting us by pointing out that the bigots went from being Democrats to being Republicans?

Edit: I wish I could reply to that one right now.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:41:22am

re: #628 wrenchwench

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An odd way is the only way an equally odd Ron Fournier operates. I cannot figure that dude out. He seems to be all over the place with his views.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:41:47am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

Party of dicks. Just never knew it would turn into a dick size contest. Maybe Marco should pull his pants down and compare .// And Cruz can say while his dick isn’t the largest, it is the most conservative. And Kasich and Carson mention they too possess a penis.

Time to update the lyrics to the famous “Colonel Bogey” march?

“Ted Cruz has only got one ball,
Trumpster has two, but very small.
Kasich has something like it,
but Rubio has no balls at all”

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:42:35am

re: #632 ObserverArt

An odd way is the only way an equally odd Ron Fournier operates. I cannot figure that dude out. He seems to be all over the place with his views.

I wonder if he’s trying the “It’s the Democrats fault” from a different angle. “We weren’t racist until the racist Democrats joined our party.” Not historically true, of course.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:43:03am

I for one think Driftglass hit the nail on the head.

“Both Sides Do It!!!”
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:44:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:44:57am

hahahahaaa
Rubio stealing Trump votes in Texas…lolololololololol
jeebus, Trump’s kid is gullible.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:46:24am
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Alephnaught  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:49:23am

re: #602 Backwoods_Sleuth

just. wow.

[Embedded content]

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Franklin  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:49:44am

re: #637 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaa
Rubio stealing Trump votes in Texas…lolololololololol
jeebus, Trump’s kid is gullible.

[Embedded content]

“Hundreds” probably the same original source tweeted/retweeted at Junior a hundred times.

Put the evidence in the *back* of the car Junior.
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:50:11am

re: #631 Belafon

Ron thinks he’s insulting us by pointing out that the bigots went from being Democrats to being Republicans?

Edit: I wish I could reply to that one right now.

That. It says more about the GOP that they welcome. Of course some of these bigots are former Democrats. But it’s also true that they feel more at home in the Republican Party. That’s an indictment on the GOP not the Democratic Party. Oh and Trump has plenty of long time conservative and Republican supporters so no saying they’re just former Democrats is a pussy shit way of saying it’s not our fault our movement’s overran with bigots.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:51:50am

re: #638 FormerDirtDart

The author is a huge wingnut.

643
FormerDirtDart  Mar 1, 2016 • 10:55:27am

re: #642 Nyet

The author is a huge wingnut.

Broken clock…

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 1, 2016 • 11:41:08am

re: #602 Backwoods_Sleuth

just. wow.

[Embedded content]

Hahahahawhut.

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2016 • 11:52:43am

re: #366 Teukka

Retaining water? Heart failure? Just massive insomnia?

Ask to see his ankles.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 11:56:07am

re: #591 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

In other words, RWNJs have created a RWNJ God in their own image.

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CleverToad  Mar 1, 2016 • 12:15:59pm

re: #502 Decatur Deb

So far today: one call from a Hillary volunteer; another H flyer hand-delivered with my caucus information and my precinct number written on it.

Brother Bernie, where art thou?


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