CNN Poll Shows Clinton and Sanders Both Beating Trump

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The latest CNN/ORC poll shows both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders well ahead of Donald Trump in the general election. But if the GOP nominee is Rubio or Cruz, the race gets very close.

Washington (CNN)Both of the remaining Democratic candidates for president easily top Republican front-runner Donald Trump in hypothetical general election match-ups, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

But Hillary Clinton, who is well ahead in the Democratic race for the presidency, would likely face a stronger challenge should Florida Sen. Marco Rubio or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz capture the Republican nomination for president.

In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton’s favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:56:17pm

Being over 50%, instead of just leading, is yuuuuuuuuuuuuuge IMHO.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:56:33pm

That is probably the real reason why the GOP establishment is scared.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:56:58pm

re: #1 Testy Toad T

Being over 50%, instead of just leading, is yuuuuuuuuuuuuuge IMHO.

I have to agree especially this early and with people having a good knowledge of both candidates.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:57:08pm

How dare they? We want a HORSE RACE, a cliff hanger, right down until the last precincts close…NOW GO AND UNSKEWER SOMETHING!!!

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:57:48pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

That is probably the real reason why the GOP establishment is scared.

The establishment should be tickled pink that Trump would get thumped in the general. Their professional lives would be fuuuuuuucked if he were to win. It would be clear to all that they simply weren’t needed. They would be redundant.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:58:25pm

Or as the GOP would spin it “Trump comes in second, Clinton next to last.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:58:35pm

re: #5 Testy Toad T

The establishment should be tickled pink that Trump would get thumped in the general. Their professional lives would be fuuuuuuucked if he were to win. It would be clear to all that they simply weren’t needed. They would be redundant.

Better four years in the wilderness than being banished forever…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:59:02pm

re: #5 Testy Toad T

The establishment should be tickled pink that Trump would get thumped in the general. Their professional lives would be fuuuuuuucked if he were to win. It would be clear to all that they simply weren’t needed. They would be redundant.

Yeah but he may bring down a lot of them with him. Trump sharing a ballot with them has to scare the crap out of them no matter how hard they distance themselves from him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 1:59:43pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Better four years in the wilderness than being banished forever…

Trump could be the start of a journey to that permanent banishment though. But you both are right, four years is a long time in politics.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:01:14pm

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Better four years in the wilderness than being banished forever…

And that’s one reason I can totally see these various congressmen and senators not eventually uniting behind Trump as a nominee. He is very obviously terrible for the immediate future of the Republican Party.

This is a hugely crazy year, completely batshit insane in specific and falsifiable ways, and we’re letting our priors be way, way too strong. In the modern era, there has never been a primary anything like this. Nothing even close. Don’t naively expect a conventional response to a highly unconventional stimulus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:01:16pm

Outside the Trump rally venue in Louisville:

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:01:31pm

If Trump were to only get 44% of the vote, that’d be the lowest vote total for a nominee in a two-person race since Mondale’s loss in 1984 (even Dukakis got 45.6% in 1988).

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:02:30pm

Way too early for milk and cookies. We’re Dems, we can blow an 8-point lead in an afternoon.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:03:03pm

I just made this comment in the previous thread to a comment of Sergey’s…wanna post it again.

re: #341 Nyet (previous thread)

He also retweets the antisemitic shit thrown at him by Trumpers, in order to complain about it. But why the complaining? He’s against PC, right?

I give up trying to figure this idiot out. Everyday it is something different. Up is down, then down is up and then he remembers he is never on the up and up.

I just want him gone. A mental ward and a straight jacket would be a start. This dude would be taken off the streets if he was in shabby clothes with disheveled hair and beard and saying this crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:03:18pm
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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:05:51pm

Nate’s all over it.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:06:42pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:06:54pm

re: #10 Testy Toad T

And that’s one reason I can totally see these various congressmen and senators not eventually uniting behind Trump as a nominee. He is very obviously terrible for the immediate future of the Republican Party.

This is a hugely crazy year, completely batshit insane in specific and falsifiable ways, and we’re letting our priors be way, way too strong. In the modern era, there has never been a primary anything like this. Nothing even close. Don’t naively expect a conventional response to a highly unconventional stimulus.

General election polls this far in advance are usually unreliable, even in a normal election cycle.

In the Pan-Galactic Cluster-Fuck that we actually have in this cycle, I think polling the general election is completely impossible this far in advance, and may not ever get close to the mark, even days before the election.

I expect a significant fraction of Trump voters to lie to pollsters about their plans (the ‘shy Tory’ effect, American style).

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:07:46pm

The numbers that jump out at me the most in this poll are the favorability ratings:

Hillary Clinton - 42/55 favorable/unfavorable
Donald Trump - 37/60 favorable/unfavorable

I don’t think we’ve had an election in my lifetime where the two (presumptive) nominees had negative favorables like that. My gut tells me that is a recipe for a very low turnout election, and the lower the turnout, the more difficult it is to figure out what will happen.

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gwangung  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:07:51pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Way too early for milk and cookies. We’re Dems, we can blow an 8-point lead in an afternoon.

Totally. Work hard, GOTV, work HARD.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:08:05pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

I expect a significant fraction of Trump voters to lie to pollsters about their plans (the ‘shy Tory’ effect, American style).

I would tend to agree, but I think the sort of person who is attracted to Donald Trump simply is not wired this way.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:08:15pm

The good news about this poll is that Trump is almost certain at this point to be the GOP nominee. The loony right wing base is plunging off the cliff like a herd of lemmings.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:09:16pm

Turned off movie, MSNBC was on.

Nope. ::click::

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:10:54pm

re: #21 Testy Toad T

I would tend to agree, but I think the sort of person who is attracted to Donald Trump simply is not wired this way.

The Trump voters that he gets from the GOP base will be polled accurately. They are loud and proud about it.

If Trump in the general draws from independents and weak-minded Democrats, e.g., by telling some lies they want to believe, these supporters will most likely be missed in polls.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:11:28pm

re: #19 KGxvi

If my party isn’t motivated by Trump being in the WH, then we’re fucked. But, I don’t believe that will happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:11:29pm

Just got a robocall from my county GOP chair about Saturday’s caucus.
Not going, hung up the phone.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:11:40pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:12:41pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Video

That dude has a pretty twisted imagination.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:12:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:13:05pm

She isn’t going away quietly:

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:14:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:14:27pm

re: #29 Kragar

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DeVito’s Penguin scared the crap out of me as a kid. Nasty teeth.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:14:48pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Handtastic.

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Jack Burton  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:14:54pm

This doesn’t take into account the months Trump has to raise billions more than Sanders will because he refuses to play the game*, or the fact that Americans have an allergic reaction to the word socialism. (Even when they support the same ideas when the word isn’t applied to them.) When it gets thrown at Bernie hundreds of times a day for months and he wears it proudly, the great mass of undecided voters, who are driven by fear and talking points are going to recoil from him and the EC map will look like 72 or 84.

If Bernie Sanders actually has a plan to deal with this and win that wasn’t created by Underpants Gnomes or wild-eyed Bernie Bros, then I’ll believe he can beat whatever psychopath the GOP nominates. Otherwise, these polls are nonsense.

As for Hillary she has a big hurdle to get over herself as well. 30 years of character assassination by the GOP and years of attacks from far-left Unicorn Hunters who think shes basically a hyper-ambitious female Karl Rove and will throw a temper tantrum and refuse to vote for her.

There is no “sure win” for the democrats this year. They need “Maximum Effort”.

*you really need to work on getting big money out of politics FIRST before you act like it’s already out.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:15:58pm

re: #23 Jenner7

Turned off movie, MSNBC was on.

Nope. ::click::

If not MSNBC, which?

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Brian J.  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:16:12pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Just you and your hand tonight.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:16:22pm

Well, at least it was not a Weiner pic.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:17:08pm

re: #35 Jack Burton

As for Hillary she has a big hurdle to get over herself as well. 30 years of character assassination by the GOP and years of attacks from far-left Unicorn Hunters who think shes basically a hyper-ambitious female Karl Rove and will throw a temper tantrum and refuse to vote for her.

I actually think we might see as much character assassination fatigue as we do Clinton fatigue. There’s just no rock left to overturn.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:18:17pm
…Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton’s favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January.

My suspicion is that as the idea of “candidate Trump” has moved from an abstraction to concrete reality, it has become less and less palatable. I’m wondering how many people who expressed a willingness to vote for him when it was just a poll will walk into a voting booth, see “Donald J. Trump” on an honest-to-God presidential ballot, and say “…what the fuck was I thinking”.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:18:58pm

I think all of us Democrats do better if, rather than going around like “Oh, my, Gawd, this is going to be a sucky election”, we’re like “Hell no I’m not letting any Republican in the White House.” And then get to work. Pessimism doesn’t win anything.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:18:59pm

re: #25 Jenner7

If my party isn’t motivated by Trump being in the WH, then we’re fucked. But, I don’t believe that will happen.

What’s interesting, digging further into this poll (and it’s only one poll, snapshot, trends, blah blah blah all the other disclaimers), is that while they both have negative overall favorability numbers, how they get there is very different.

Trump’s favorability among Republicans is only 65/32. Compared to Clinton who is 83/14 among Democrats. Unfortunately, CNN lumped leaning independents in with each party, so we don’t have numbers for independents and we don’t have favorability numbers across party lines.

I’ve been saying for a while, I doubt a lot of Republicans are going to vote for Hillary Clinton, even with Trump as the nominee. But I could see a significant number of Republicans either undervoting, voting third party, or just staying home completely. It’s going to be a really fucking weird election (as if it hasn’t been already).

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:19:05pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hopefully those are Smith’s students!

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bratwurst  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:19:23pm

TL;DR: Gullible idiots are gullible…and idiots.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:19:51pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

And with that I can safely say I’ve received my full requirement of weird for the day.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:20:27pm

re: #36 Ming5000

None, until results start to come in.

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Alephnaught  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:20:40pm

Warning: Trump as Michaelangelo’s David!

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:21:32pm

Not a huge surprise to learn that Scott “Dilbert” Adams is a Trumper.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:21:36pm

re: #46 Jenner7

None, until results start to come in.

Well, yes… I see your point there

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:22:03pm
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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:22:17pm

re: #44 bratwurst

How Trump won over Huckabee

Money changed hands. Lots of money.

I’m telling you, he’s buying these endorsements.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:23:14pm

re: #41 Belafon

I think all of us Democrats do better if, rather than going around like “Oh, my, Gawd, this is going to be a sucky election”, we’re like “Hell no I’m not letting any Republican in the White House.” And then get to work. Pessimism doesn’t win anything.

Agreed.

With Trump as the GOP candidate, I think there’s a temptation among reasonable people to say, “Trump’s an idiot and a clown. He can’t possibly win the general election”. This temptation should be resisted.

After all, look how well waiting for Trump to implode on his own has worked out for the GOP establishment.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:23:54pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:24:17pm

re: #42 KGxvi

I’ve been saying for a while, I doubt a lot of Republicans are going to vote for Hillary Clinton, even with Trump as the nominee. But I could see a significant number of Republicans either undervoting, voting third party, or just staying home completely. It’s going to be a really fucking weird election (as if it hasn’t been already).

It’s also really hard to predict how especially Hispanic turnout is going to look. Again, our priors are really, really poor. No candidate has ever spoken about Hispanics the way Trump has. How large an effect will that have?

Nobody friggin’ knows.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:24:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:24:43pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Poor, poor DC bartenders and liquor store owners and cleaners of poo.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:25:00pm

re: #48 Nyet

Not a huge surprise to learn that Scott “Dilbert” Adams is a Trumper.

IIRC, Adams outed himself a while back as a horrible libertarian dudebro with MRA tendencies, so this would be completely in character.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:25:24pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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That’s rich Marco. Have you actually won a state or are you most cocky runner up ever?

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:25:26pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

IIRC, Adams outed himself a while back as a horrible libertarian dudebro with MRA tendencies, so this would be completely in character.

He retweets Cernovich.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:25:58pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

IIRC, Adams outed himself a while back as a horrible libertarian dudebro with MRA tendencies, so this would be completely in character.

I did hear about that. Dilbert never did much for me anyhow honestly.

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Ming5000  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:26:53pm

Wow, poor Tom Brokaw. Reminds me of Dick Clark at New Year Eve a few years ago. :(

Chick Todd thinks “we’ve been underselling Cruz”. He thinks Cruz could have a better showing today than expected

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:27:06pm

re: #36 Ming5000

If not MSNBC, which?

I am down to a little Rachel, a little Lawrence and the opening of Chuck Toad and Chris Hayes to see what might be said and who will be on. I still watch for the numbers like polls, etc. I listen to what the interviewed may have to say.

As far as the actual MSNBC people…the relationship seems to be over. I have been dumped. I shall survive!

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:27:10pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

That’s rich Marco. Have you actually won a state or are you most cocky runner up ever?

Rubio is just pumped up because the rich fat cats of the GOP establishment want him to be their tool.

That’s the summit of his ambition.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:27:27pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

Rubio is just pumped up because the rich fat cats of the GOP establishment want him to be their tool.

That’s the summit of his ambition.

They like me, they really like me!

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:29:16pm

re: #48 Nyet

Not a huge surprise to learn that Scott “Dilbert” Adams is a Trumper.

…and his cartoon sucks too!

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:30:06pm
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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:32:26pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:33:14pm
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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:33:41pm

re: #67 MsJ

Chuck C. Johnson, the Paris Hilton of conservative politics.

Hey, at least Paris is somewhat pleasant to look at.

Chuckles, not so much.

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nines09  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:34:17pm

re: #68 Jenner7

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Only nine? gee…..

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:35:16pm

re: #54 Testy Toad T

The Latino vote is going to be an interesting thing to watch.

Looked a bit more at that poll and they did include crosstabs (sometimes I hate myself for majoring in Political Science instead of English). Here what could make this a crazy election:

Hillary Clinton favorables: among Democrats 81/16; among Independents 33/63; among Republicans 12/86.

Donald Trump favorables: among Republicans 67/30; among Independents 34/62; among Democrats 14/85.

Basically Independents don’t like either of them (even assuming no overlap in favorability, there’s a solid third of independents that don’t like either of them). A third of Republicans don’t like Trump, that’s an insanely high unfavorable number for a presumptive nominee. And basically both sides really dislike the other’s presumptive nominee (no real surprise this century).

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:36:11pm

re: #68 Jenner7

The nine Republicans who voted against naming the post office after Maya Angelou were GOP Reps Mo Brooks of Alabama, Ken Buck of Colorado, Michael Burgess of Texas, Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin, Andy Harris of Maryland, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Alex Mooney of West Virginia, and Steven Palazzo of Mississippi. Rep. Don Young of Alaska voted present.

A Who’s Who of idiots.

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Tigger2  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:36:41pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Brian J.  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:37:17pm

re: #71 KGxvi

The Latino vote is going to be an interesting thing to watch..

Only in the sense that Georgia Tech vs. Cumberland College (final score 222-0) was an interesting game. Seriously, those are the questions: how high will turnout be, and how crushing will Hillary’s victory margin be?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:37:24pm

re: #68 Jenner7

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oh look…my congresscritter was one of them:

The nine Republicans who voted against naming the post office after Maya Angelou were GOP Reps Mo Brooks of Alabama, Ken Buck of Colorado, Michael Burgess of Texas, Jeff Duncan of South Carolina, Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin, Andy Harris of Maryland, Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Alex Mooney of West Virginia, and Steven Palazzo of Mississippi. Rep. Don Young of Alaska voted present.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:37:35pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Hey, at least Paris is somewhat pleasant to look at.

Chuckles, not so much.

I don’t find Ms. Hilton attractive in pretty much any way. Other than, lately, she’s pretty much out of the public eye. That I find attractive.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:37:55pm

re: #67 MsJ

that’s really not fair. Paris Hilton has become a fairly respectable designer after being cut off from the family fortune. Chuck’s prospects aren’t so good.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:39:31pm

re: #77 KGxvi

that’s really not fair. Paris Hilton has become a fairly respectable designer after being cut off from the family fortune. Chuck’s prospects aren’t so good.

Her sister is a designer…when did Paris become a designer? And they (or she or her sister) got cut off? When did that happen?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:42:55pm

These people KNOW that they’re repeating history, and they just don’t care.

That leaves The Donald, really a moderate in wolf’s garb, who would owe nothing to either party and might strike deals, for instance on tax reform.
Yes, we could be like the good citizens who voted for a “tameable” Hitler in 1933 to get things back on track. But the alternatives look worse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:42:58pm

re: #68 Jenner7

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Lameasses.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:46:13pm

Next Doctor Who companion maybe a British Indian.

The hunt is still on for a new companion to join Peter Capaldi in the Tardis for the next series of Doctor Who - and one name who could be in the frame for the part is Rakhee Thakrar, known to EastEnders fans as Shabnam Masood.

It is understood that Thakrar, who left EastEnders in February, is on a list of actresses in the frame to replace Jenna Coleman in the coveted role.

According to a source, auditions are poised to begin for the part with Thakrar - who won plaudits from the soap’s producers and fans - in line for an audience with the producers.

Neither the BBC nor Thakrar’s agents would comment on the speculation, but if - and it’s a big if - she gets the gig, she would be the first non-white main companion since Freema Agyeman’s medic Martha Jones left David Tennant’s side back in 2008. But time will tell. As it so often does with Doctor Who…

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:47:05pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh look…my congresscritter was one of them:

When Hillary is president, let’s name a PO for Sojourner Truth.

And ain’t I a woman?

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:47:06pm

re: #78 MsJ

Her sister is a designer…when did Paris become a designer? And they (or she or her sister) got cut off? When did that happen?

I seem to recall that Paris got cut off after the sex tape and/or one of the arrests. I don’t pay a lot of attention, so I might be mixed up on the design part… According to her wikipedia page (which I’m sure is reliable), she did some handbag design work (which might be what I was thinking of) and has since become a DJ, as well as having other business endeavors (including fragrances).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:48:29pm
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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:49:07pm

re: #76 MsJ

I don’t find Ms. Hilton attractive in pretty much any way. Other than, lately, she’s pretty much out of the public eye. That I find attractive.

Well, I was going by comparison. Given the choice, get Chuck as far out of my sight as you can move him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:49:19pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:49:59pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

These people KNOW that they’re repeating history, and they just don’t care.

If Trump actually does become president, I’d like to see upper-class twits like this be the first up against the walls when the carnage starts.

Unfortunately, they never are.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:51:02pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:51:10pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

When Hillary is president, let’s name a PO for Sojourner Truth.

And ain’t I a woman?

Wonder how many GOP derps thought they were shooting down Angela Davis.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:51:51pm

re: #83 KGxvi

I seem to recall that Paris got cut off after the sex tape and/or one of the arrests. I don’t pay a lot of attention, so I might be mixed up on the design part… According to her wikipedia page (which I’m sure is reliable), she did some handbag design work (which might be what I was thinking of) and has since become a DJ, as well as having other business endeavors (including fragrances).

I doubt that is true. Her mother, Cathy, once said (on video) that she was proud of Paris (after the tape was released). I don’t think she was cut off from anything. I also don’t remember her ever being arrested. I suppose it’s possible she got a DUI or something but this would have crossed my path at some point. I used to fly weekly and my pass-the-time passion was reading celeb magazines like US or People (true story, I knew all these celeb names, some faces, but I had no idea who most of them were. I never saw the vast majority of movies or tv shows any of them were in. Odd hobby, I know. :-)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:51:56pm

re: #81 Ziggy_TARDIS

If she is chosen, there is a relatively high likelihood that the character she would play would be Muslim.

Doctor Who has always been very friendly to Muslims.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:52:19pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Michael Burgess of Texas

Not surprising. Burgess is from the 26th District here in Texas. It’s up in the DFW area and is the same district that inflicted Dick Armey on the rest of the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:54:38pm
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:54:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:55:51pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Wonder how many GOP derps thought they were shooting down Angela Davis.

from the article:

“Congressman Harris voted against the Maya Angelou post office naming because she was a communist sympathizer. His parents escaped communism and he feels that he cannot vote to name a post office in the United States in honor of someone who supported the communist Castro revolution in Cuba,” Shelby Hodgkins, a spokesperson in the office of Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md., wrote NBC News in a statement.

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:56:27pm
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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:57:46pm

re: #90 MsJ

Eh, I may be misremembering all of it. I have a general rule of not caring about celebrity lives. Part of it is growing up in Southern California and always being no more than two degrees of separation from celebrities. Part of it is my general libertarianism of not caring what anyone else is doing with their lives. And part of it is just wanting to be able to enjoy the movies/sports/shows without having to deal with all the noise.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:58:37pm

Damn. I hate thinking like this…but it is one of the reason’s I chose my nicname and used the word Observer.

I have MSNBC on and they are getting ready for their evening election coverage.

Rachel Maddow is on sitting next to Brain (Washington Cherry Tree) Williams and she seems to have way more makeup on than I remember her ever wearing. It is not one of her things.

I hate to think she is being asked to wear more due to Comcast and their changing things on the go. They do seem to be heavy-handed in some of this, but I guess it is how the news biz works.

I hope I am not being out of line…but it seems very obvious to me tonight.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 2:59:07pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:00:22pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

Damn. I hate thinking like this…but it is one of the reason’s I chose my nicname and used the word Observer.

I have MSNBC on and they are getting ready for their evening election coverage.

Rachel Maddow is on sitting next to Brain (Washington Cherry Tree) Williams and she seems to have way more makeup on than I remember her ever wearing. It is not one of her things.

I hate to think she is being asked to wear more due to Comcast and their changing things on the go. They do seem to be heavy-handed in some of this, but I guess it is how the news biz works.

I hope I am not being out of line…but it seems very obvious to me tonight.

It’s how TV works.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:00:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:01:06pm

Shades of Mandy Manners.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:02:03pm

re: #99 Nyet

That kid will NEVER live that down.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:02:11pm

re: #88 Nyet

[#makeamericagoatagain]

I’d like to see Obama with those kids!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:03:25pm

re: #71 KGxvi

So again. It’s pretty much a wash and will depend on who gets out the vote.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:04:31pm
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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:04:36pm

Meanwhile, in the meth labs of West Texas Lubbock:

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:06:37pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Shades of Mandy Manners.

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Her catch phrase was “Go piss up a rope” IIRC, so she really had no business providing unsolicited advice with respect to online manners.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:07:47pm

re: #96 Lidane

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My Drumpfinator extension for Chrome works like a champ. Every Trump reference, save embedded tweets) gets converted to Drumpf.

(I intentionally typed one ref above as ‘Trump’ so see it convert. Heh.)

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freetoken  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:08:58pm

The very intelligent folk over at Vox tellz me this:

Donald Trump’s candidacy is going to realign the political parties

[…]

Free market economics have eaten away at the living standards of white working-class men especially. Here it’s important to note that for all Reagan’s talk about fiscal conservatism, he understood he could not abandon the New Deal. After all, Reagan Democrats were working-class folks who depended on the New Deal welfare state. And Reagan himself was once an FDR Democrat.

In the intervening years, however, Republicans — in their headlong race to win over wealthy donors with promises to slash government spending by cutting “entitlements” — have forgotten this wisdom.

[…]

The sentence I bold-faced just is thrown in there (the preceding sections didn’t lead up to it.)

So maybe it’s a new thesis that the rest of the article is supposed to illustrate, but I don’t think the author does it well.

In part because I’m not sure the assertion is true.

The assertion may be just another one of those “good ol’ days” beliefs that are held but not objective.

In my own personal experience, as one of those white males who is supposed to be simultaneously the victim (according to some) and the villain (according to others), I can say that I do not have a worse “living standard” than my preceding generation (my father and my uncles).

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:09:05pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

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I was flailing. (wasn’t your acct. though. Somebody else’s. Yesterday. Two or three times.)

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:09:18pm

re: #109 makeitstop

My Drumpfinator extension for Chrome works like a champ. Every Trump reference, save embedded tweets) gets converted to Drumpf.

(I intentionally typed one ref above as ‘Trump’ so see it convert. Heh.)

Heh. I’ve been using the same extension. It’s a keeper.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:10:02pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:11:13pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

Her catch phrase was “Go piss up a rope” IIRC, so she really had no business providing unsolicited advice with respect to online manners.

The reference was to MM’s first ever post to me, that my nic pissed her off.

Remember this was while her avi was Calvin pissing on the word Christian Arabs use for God.

That was a magical time to be here. SO much change taking place.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:11:23pm

So, according to polls as of earlier today, Trump is likely to sweep except in Texas, where it’s close. Close isn’t enough to help Cruz, because Texas allows proportional delegates - so if it’s close, Trump picks up nearly as many delegates as Cruz, and he gets to expand his overall lead.

It’s going to be a bloodbath for the GOP, and we’re watching as GOP pundits are busy saying how if only scenario X plays out, the nominee is someone other than Trump.

They’re still working through the five stages to acceptance. But they will accept Trump because the GOP is nothing if not “Anyone But Hillary.”

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:11:31pm

Obama poses with the GOP slate.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:12:01pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

The reference was to MM’s first ever post to me, that my nic pissed her off.

Remember this was while her avi was Calvin pissing on the word Christian Arabs use for God.

That was a magical time to be here. SO much change taking place.

Totally. I think her first post to me was HEY ASSHOLE

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Lidane  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:12:27pm

Facebook Post

First comment:

You know it’s rough when a fictional character is honest-to-God a better choice for President than every single actual person trying to get the job.

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:12:30pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

Her catch phrase was “Go piss up a rope” IIRC, so she really had no business providing unsolicited advice with respect to online manners.

Not to mention her avatar…

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:13:07pm

re: #105 GlutenFreeJesus

So again. It’s pretty much a wash and will depend on who gets out the vote.

Maybe, probably. But that number for Trump among Republicans is throwing everything out of whack. Maybe it’s just because it’s the primaries and once the general election comes around Trump’s favorability among Republicans will improve. But I find that very hard to believe. Normally, if a presumptive nominee has low favorables it’s because there’s a lot of “don’t know” but Trump doesn’t have that cushion.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:13:17pm

re: #113 Kragar

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Kragar…you are going to melt her mind. You are going way too deep on a phrase that she has only one very cliche definition for.

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:14:17pm

re: #109 makeitstop

My Drumpfinator extension for Chrome works like a champ. Every Trump reference, save embedded tweets) gets converted to Drumpf.

(I intentionally typed one ref above as ‘Trump’ so see it convert. Heh.)

Just don’t look up the instructions for Hearts or Pitch, that may be a little weird. Playing a drumpf card doesn’t have the same ring to it.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:14:30pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

Totally. I think her first post to me was HEY ASSHOLE

I think she was gone shortly after I got here. But I do remember her.

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Kragar  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:17:32pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Kragar…you are going to melt her mind. You are going way too deep on a phrase that she has only one very cliche definition for.

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Cheechako  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:17:33pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

The reference was to MM’s first ever post to me, that my nic pissed her off.

Remember this was while her avi was Calvin pissing on the word Christian Arabs use for God.

That was a magical time to be here. SO much change taking place.

Several years ago, on another blog, I read that MM had suffered a massive stroke. Left her severely paralyzed. Her mother had to be her full time aid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:17:46pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:18:26pm

re: #123 makeitstop

I think she was gone shortly after I got here. But I do remember her.

I lurked in 2009. I remember Mandy and her avi. I also remember Walter and some others. I don’t know why, but I found Mandy and Walter interesting in a strange human behavior study way.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:18:36pm
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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:18:43pm

re: #118 Lidane

You know it’s rough when a fictional character is honest-to-God a better choice for President than every single actual person trying to get the job.

Bull. Fictional characters will always be better than actual people because they are not beholden to human frailties and the limitations of reality.

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Jenner7  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:19:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:19:26pm

re: #125 Cheechako

Several years ago, on another blog, I read that MM had suffered a massive stroke. Left her severely paralyzed. Her mother had to be her full time aid.

She had a young kid..?

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:19:53pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

I lurked in 2009. I remember Mandy and her avi. I also remember Walter and some others. I don’t know why, but I found Mandy and Walter interesting in a strange human behavior study way.

Cato the Elder is the most memorable from my lurking days.

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Cheechako  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:20:24pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

She had a young kid..?

Yah…she was a single parent.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:20:35pm

re: #53 Lidane

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We Didn’t Know

We didn’t know said the Burgomeister,
About the camps on the edge of town.
It was Hitler and his crew,
That tore the German nation down.
We saw the cattle cars it’s true,
And maybe they carried a Jew or two.
They woke us up as they rattled through,
But what did you expect me to do?

[Cho:]
We didn’t know at all,
We didn’t see a thing.
You can’t hold us to blame,
What could we do?
It was a terrible shame,
But we can’t bear the blame.
Oh no, not us, we didn’t know.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:21:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:23:17pm

re: #125 Cheechako

Several years ago, on another blog, I read that MM had suffered a massive stroke. Left her severely paralyzed. Her mother had to be her full time aid.

Who knows, I heard another story that she married Iron Fist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:25:28pm

I remember her too. She claimed I made a homophobic attack on Palin when I made a crack about her and Christine O’Donnell. I remember other names too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:26:31pm

“Look, you can say that Trump is the candidate Fox & Friends invented,” Gingrich shot back. “He was on your show more than any other show.”

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:28:43pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Cato the Elder is the most memorable from my lurking days.

Him I actually miss. Could be a very interesting contributor. Mandy? Not so much. Don’t miss Walter either.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:28:49pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

That is probably the real reason why the GOP establishment is scared.

I assume that that is the only reason the GOP elite is upset about Trump’s candidacy. I don’t they could care less about Trump’s bigotry, inexperience, abrasiveness, etc. But they do care that he’s going to cost them the White House for at least another 4 years.

The Republican Convention will be explosive if the GOP establishment tries in any way to take away the candidacy from Trump. I may even watch it this year. LOL.

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BeachDem  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:28:54pm

re: #68 Jenner7

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Pathetic—both the no voters and Luke Russert’s writing skills, which are as sorely lacking as his command of politics and on-air presence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:31:10pm

re: #140 Patricia Kayden

I assume that that is the only reason the GOP elite is upset about Trump’s candidacy. I don’t they could care less about Trump’s bigotry, inexperience, abrasiveness, etc. But they do care that he’s going to cost them the White House for at least another 4 years.

The Republican Convention will be explosive if the GOP establishment tries in any way to take away the candidacy from Trump. I may even watch it this year. LOL.

Exactly.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:37:57pm

re: #115 lawhawk

So, according to polls as of earlier today, Trump is likely to sweep except in Texas, where it’s close. Close isn’t enough to help Cruz, because Texas allows proportional delegates - so if it’s close, Trump picks up nearly as many delegates as Cruz, and he gets to expand his overall lead.

It’s going to be a bloodbath for the GOP, and we’re watching as GOP pundits are busy saying how if only scenario X plays out, the nominee is someone other than Trump.

They’re still working through the five stages to acceptance. But they will accept Trump because the GOP is nothing if not “Anyone But Hillary.”

Wonderful, ain’t it?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:48:01pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

When Hillary is president, let’s name a PO for Sojourner Truth.

And ain’t I a woman?

Ida B. Wells already has hers:

uspspostoffices.com

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2016 • 3:51:50pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting but Christie will have to be voted out or be indicted for that bridge scandal that has already taken down some of his aides. I can’t imagine someone with his huge ego stepping down from office.


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