The Clown Car Comes to Detroit: GOP Debate Thread the First

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It’s not going to be the same without Dr. Sleepy dozing off at the far left (irony!) podium, but here’s a live-blogging thread for tonight’s Fox News Republican Klown Kar Klash in Detroit, at the historic Fox Theatre in Detroit.

I think Fox News is doing that thing again where they make you log in with your cable provider before you can watch over the web, but here’s the page if you want to give it a go.

UPDATE at 3/3/16 6:12:27 pm by Charles Johnson

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506 comments
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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:03:35pm

MP3 Audio

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:05:37pm

CHYNA!!

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meteor  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:05:57pm

Almost glad I have to go back to work. I won’t see any of this crap.

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nines09  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:06:02pm

One more exciting episode of Right Wing Nut Sack Porn. Not me. Nope. Fuck these dolts.

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:06:42pm

Rubio looks like he’s 12 years old.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:06pm

Thunderdome Intro - Dying Time

Let it never be said that I am a one-note Mad Max reference maker.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:12pm

Wow, Donny is really sensitive about his small hands.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:26pm

THE HANDS.

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:33pm

re: #4 nines09

One more exciting episode of Right Wing Nut Sack Porn. Not me. Nope. Fuck these dolts.

True. OK. True. And, this is pretty juicy fare so far.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:34pm

Some would say this is crass. I would say it’s Fox.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:50pm

The hands are the window to the ego.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:07:53pm

New venue chosen for next GOP debate…

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bratwurst  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:01pm

Wow, the Donald with a blow job joke and a joke about having a big dick in one day. How presidential!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:05pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:12pm

Never thought a presidential debate would be about dick size. Thanks Donald!

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:19pm

Did he make another hand size/dick size innuendo?

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:34pm

re: #7 Brian J.

Wow, Donny is really sensitive about his small hands.

Trump is sensitive about anything that might make him seem week: His hands, his dick, his money.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:49pm

This is not about the insults candidates can throw at each other. This is about how much hair Ted can eat! (You’ve probably already seen it, but it bears repeating.)

“TED CRUZ” — A Bad Lip Reading

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:53pm

re: #16 withak

Did he make another hand size/dick size innuendo?

Trump bragged about his big dick

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:08:56pm

Cruz just admitted Pres. Obama has only been President for 7 years

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:09:08pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

So he schlonged everyone?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:09:52pm

Big dick but small hands…does not compute.

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:09:53pm
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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:00pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Did he say he has yuuuuge hands or something? (Not watching.)

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:14pm

Fox News site still telling me “Stream not found”.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:32pm

And Hillary’s 650,000 votes ahead of you, Donny, a number that will rise now that the Midwest is starting to vote in numbers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:32pm

re: #24 Nyet

Did he say he has yuuuuge hands or something? (Not watching.)

Said he had no problems in that area

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:33pm

So… a dick-swinging contest.

At a debate for the presidency of the United States of America.

[ sobs ]

Fuck you, you short-fingered vulgarian.

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:10:34pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

So he schlonged everyone?

Oy. So glad I’m not watching that bullshit.

Thank you all for taking one for my team. I just can’t.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:11:13pm

re: #6 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Let it never be said that I am a one-note Mad Max reference maker.

For ages, I’ve thought Dr. Dealgood was a cameo by Martin Short. According to imdb, that’s Aussie actor Edwin Hodgeman.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:11:26pm

YUUUUUGE POLL NUMBERS

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:11:53pm

More unintelligible yelling!

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Amory Blaine  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:11:54pm

The heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle.
~James Madison

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:11:56pm

re: #28 makeitstop

So… a dick-swinging contest.

At a debate for the presidency of the United States of America.

[ sobs ]

Fuck you, you short-fingered vulgarian.

Fuck rational discourse, we need RATINGS!!!

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:00pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:15pm

POLES
POLES
POLES

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:18pm

OMG here we go again…

Logan’s Run - No Sanctuary !!

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bratwurst  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:22pm

Marco with a callback to the “nuclear triad” kerfuffle…as if his unfamiliarity with military terminology were even close to the biggest problem with his candidacy.

I am pretty sure he can learn the lingo a lot easier than he can UNLEARN how to be a vituperative bigot.

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:26pm

LOL…. its on now. Shouting over each other. The Donald is not rolling over for the #NeverTrump people

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:27pm

Ooh…Trump beat Hillary Clinton in a FOX poll. Who could possibly have ever seen that coming?

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:36pm

re: #35 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Is Trump trying to cheat off of Cruz’s test?

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:45pm

Short-Fingered Vulgarian
Vulgar Talking Yam
Overgrown Oompa Loompa

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bratwurst  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:46pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

The heat of the meat is directly proportional to the angle of the dangle.
~James Madison

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:47pm
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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:12:59pm

Did Kasich show up??

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:13:11pm

re: #35 jaunte

So Ben Carson decided to show up after all?

/

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:13:28pm

re: #41 Belafon

(that’s an image from a previous debate, but I knew it would come in handy)

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bratwurst  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:13:30pm
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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:13:36pm

re: #30 De Kolta Chair

That movie is uneven, but damn do I love that monologue.

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:13:48pm

re: #25 freetoken

Same here.

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:06pm

re: #45 freetoken

Kasich finally talking. He was ready with “the only adult on the stage,” comment

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:16pm

re: #29 MsJ

Oy. So glad I’m not watching that bullshit.

Thank you all for taking one for my team. I just can’t.

Me either. Thanks everyone.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:17pm

re: #43 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Scott Kelly’s grew 2” in space.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:22pm

re: #42 withak

Short-Fingered Vulgarian
Vulgar Talking Yam
Overgrown Oompa Loompa

Umpa Dumpa Trumpety Trump
I’ve got a HUGE penis, you schlump.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:31pm

So far…

Red Dragon Wheelchair

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:43pm

re: #47 jaunte

(that’s an image from a previous debate, but I knew it would come in handy)

I know, but that popped into my head when I looked at it just now.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:50pm

re: #19 Big Beautiful Door

Trump bragged about his big dick

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:14:52pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

Scott Kelly’s grew 2” in space.

Oh.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:15:07pm
Stop looking at my hands!
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Schroedinger's Dog  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:15:13pm

Evening Lizards.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:15:30pm

Kasich, you were written off in the South… and won no delegates in most of the Southern states. You’re at 8% in Michigan. This is not your year.

Has any candidate complained about debate time and benefited in any way?

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:15:35pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Me either. Thanks everyone.

I am telling you, this is a good one

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:15:40pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

Scott Kelly’s grew 2” in space.

No pressure.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:16:04pm

You know what people say to me? “You should use more Stuart Smalley quotes because people like you!”

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:16:10pm

Now Fox wants me to pay to watch… guess I’ll stick to the radio.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:08pm

re: #57 De Kolta Chair

Trump bragged about his big dick

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:13pm

Thirsty Rubio knocking back Redbull prior to the event again, I see.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:29pm

Kasich shouldn’t try the Carson gimmick of whining for time…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:32pm

These people shouldn’t be allowed near the White House. They shouldn’t be allowed near school zones.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:50pm

Govt doesn’t create a job eh? Military vets would be surprised to hear that.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:17:59pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:18:34pm

Trump started with a mere million hmmm?

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:18:43pm

re: #72 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Nothing gets by Matt.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:18:46pm

My financials are all in there! You could look it up!

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:18:52pm

5ny+8PmX9l3IqmBGp4eZpfMWzqYJ1XDl68CZUWVxfa2nKIVf9Un9TwJOowC6SCils5fSkwHxLu4NkudCBSlL1+Y9ml9fv/3tXW4u7dRiIGFggkWV6Vbix/lguaukWsXOvt37I7kplTIKRB4gDEO1gWb+yiHQZhjPNGm3mtjI6Z8=

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:19:19pm

Trump correct about currency devaluation.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:19:38pm

re: #72 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Trump brags about what he did with his “small” $1 million loan. If he’d put his money in an index fund and gone to sleep for 40 years, he’d be worth twice what he is now.

Clothing from CHYNA. And Trump clearly won’t answer the question about his own outsourcing.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:19:48pm

So Trump admits his clothing brand is made overseas because it’s cheaper? And it’s the fault of Fu Manchu, of course.

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:19:56pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:15pm

blahblahbahbahrubiodotcomblahrubiodotcomitalkveryfast

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:16pm

re: #76 Whack-A-Mole

thanks

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:21pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:24pm

re: #78 Brian J.

I don’t think he’s including the value of the real estate he inherited.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:28pm

Rubio attacking the profit motive?

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:28pm

I just got home…. Fired up the debate to Trump going “That little guy over there…” Glad to see that the world has stayed solid on his axis.

RBS

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:40pm

Trump steaks!

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:20:43pm

re: #82 freetoken

np. just found it myself

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:02pm

re: #84 jaunte

I don’t think he’s including the value of the real estate he inherited.

He’s not. And good Lord, this is incoherent even by the GOoPers’ recent standards.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:16pm

Little Marco??! Holy shit!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:18pm

Incoherent yelling

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:22pm

Any red flags yet?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:23pm

Trump Polish temp workers!

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:28pm

Fox started out having strict rules about time and decorum….. hahaha…… Shouting match now. It IS like wrestling.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:38pm

re: #90 Aunty Entity Dragon

Little Marco??! Holy shit!

Totally classy debate.

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bratwurst  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:38pm
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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:21:51pm

re: #80 thecommodore

Nonono

Crystals are for moonbats, oils are for wingnuts.

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Viscous Obama  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:19pm

This is a shitshow

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:30pm

When Trump gets around to talking about details, it’s GOP talking points from 30 years ago.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:34pm

Every GOP candidate comes up with the same “FEDERAL FIRE SALE!” proposals for how they’re going to balance the budget, Donald. You’re not original.

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:42pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:44pm

Of course they don’t add up!

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:22:59pm

re: #92 freetoken

Any red flags yet?

Department of Education budget and EPA budget: $86 billion per year.

Trump’s tax cut: $1,000 billion per year.

Kudos to Fox for actually pointing this out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:08pm

Fox nailing trump for lies!

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:16pm

They are trying to trick him with math. Trick question.

RBS

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:36pm

Will the moderator bring up the fact that none of the other candidates proposals add up?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:38pm

Two Men Enter One Man Leaves

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:40pm

Trumpgish gallop

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:45pm

Republicans need to find a hole to crawl into.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:23:55pm

Trump said he could cut $300 billion a year from prescription drug costs. Total prescription drug costs for 2014 were $300 billion, $78 billion through Medicare.

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:01pm

Wish they would put the same question to all of the candidates and their plans.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:02pm

I can see the logic of cutting the Department of Education budget.

If we elect Trump president, it would be completely pointless to have a Department of Education.

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:05pm

Snap: Fox ambushes Trump with huge screen graphics refuting Trump statements… holy crap

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:12pm

re: #105 Reality Based Steve

They are trying to trick him with math. Trick question.

RBS

It was his understanding that there would be no math.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:22pm

Way to go Fox!

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:27pm

This is the sort of shit that is going to bury Donald in a few months.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:32pm

I’m loving it. Of course he’s going to claim he’s being attacked unfairly by being quoted.

RBS

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:37pm

Negotiation magic!

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:38pm

I believe that Big Daddy wants Hillary in the White House - it’s best for Fox News business.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:38pm
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Viscous Obama  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:24:42pm

Ted just needs to stand there tonight

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:25:11pm

re: #117 Reality Based Steve

I’m loving it. Of course he’s going to claim he’s being attacked unfairly by being quoted.

RBS

And enough voters will believe him to win him the nomination.

Where are those postcards supposed to go, idiot Ted?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:25:21pm

re: #109 b.d.

Republicans need to find a hole to crawl into.

Ross Douthat etc would rather say it’s the dems fault because we should never have put that uppity black guy in the white house and pissed off their base.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:25:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:25:31pm

re: #119 freetoken

I believe that Big Daddy wants Hillary in the White House - it’s best for Fox News business.

I feel the same way about wingnut talk radio. It’s far easier to get listeners in out of power than in power.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:25:32pm

Ted is not answering the question.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:26:01pm

re: #126 jaunte

Ted is not answering the question.

And the sun set in the west this afternoon.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:26:04pm

re: #123 Aunty Entity Dragon

Ross Douthat etc would rather say it’s the dems fault because we should never have put that uppity black guy in the white house and pissed off their base.

Yeah we made their base act like assholes by nominating the black guy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:26:06pm

Why #TedCruz #FlatTax won’t work in your wildest imagination #tcot #UniteBlue wpo.st pic.twitter.com

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:26:11pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

This is the sort of shit that is going to bury Donald in a few months.

A largish demographic n the US actually likes this stuff. I would not count on the election being a sure thing at all.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:26:31pm

I read a piece in the NYT today on how the moderators prepare for the debate. They get their subject areas, make up the questions, and then look to see how the candidates can try to ‘duck and pivot’ on any questions, what the facts are in relationship to the probable answers.

Of course the RWNJs will claim it’s a hatchet job.

RBS

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:02pm

It takes a lot of willpower for me not to punch my computer monitor when Ted Cruz is on.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:16pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:18pm

Jimmy Carter’s gotten rich from government corruption? Talk about pulling it out of your ass.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:22pm

Blooooooviate.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:25pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:27:27pm

re: #122 Brian J.

And enough voters will believe him to win him the nomination.

Where are those postcards supposed to go, idiot Ted?

We’re going to outsource it to China.

RBS

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:08pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:11pm

Live stream just crapped out

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:14pm

No federal minimum wage increase eh?

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:22pm

Dudebros are already panning the new Ghostbusters trailer:

GHOSTBUSTERS - Official Trailer (HD)

Dunno, I’ll give it a chance. Seems like fun.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:30pm

re: #134 De Kolta Chair

Jimmy Carter’s gotten rich from government corruption? Talk about pulling it out of your ass.

Who pulled that whopper?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:28:30pm

re: #122 Brian J.

Where are those postcards supposed to go, idiot Ted?

“They would go to a place, and it would be a much smaller and more efficient place than Obama’s IRS.”

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:04pm

re: #130 Aunty Entity Dragon

A largish demographic n the US actually likes this stuff. I would not count on the election being a sure thing at all.

I’ve got friends back home in Maine that consider themselves Democrats but are totally on the Trumpwagon.

It’s definitely not a foregone conclusion that he’ll lose.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:06pm

re: #141 Nyet

Yeah, but those wimminz need to get back in teh kitchen where they belong. FAIL!

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:22pm

re: #141 Nyet

Dudebros are already panning the new Ghostbusters trailer:

[Embedded content]

Dunno, I’ll give it a chance. Seems like fun.

When I saw it on YouTube this afternoon, it had 21,000 likes and 28,000 dislikes. NOTHING I’ve ever seen has that kind of negative ratio with that many votes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:41pm

re: #144 BongCrodny

I’ve got friends back home in Maine that consider themselves Democrats but are totally on the Trumpwagon.

It’s definitely not a foregone conclusion that he’ll lose.

it’s that very fact that disturbs me.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:47pm

re: #141 Nyet

Dudebros are already panning the new Ghostbusters trailer:

[Embedded content]

Dunno, I’ll give it a chance. Seems like fun.

Of Course, because vaginas.

RBS

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:29:47pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:03pm

This is reality, Governor Kasich: you don’t have a chance.

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:04pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:07pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Who pulled that whopper?

The Ted Cruzbros will believe anything no matter how vile or improbable about a democrat, especially one as storied in RWNJ villainy as Jimmy Carter.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:11pm

re: #149 b.d.

[Embedded content]

AMERICA

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:28pm

Zedushka is totally in it for Trump. I want to kick his Social Security taking old man ass out on the street. But that would be too Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:37pm

re: #152 Aunty Entity Dragon

The Ted Cruzbros will believe anything no matter how vile or improbable about a democrat, especially one as storied in RWNJ villainy as Jimmy Carter.

Ah so Cruz. God don’t they get tired of beating on that poor guy?

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:30:40pm

re: #146 Brian J.

When I saw it on YouTube this afternoon, it had 21,000 likes and 28,000 dislikes. NOTHING I’ve ever seen has that kind of negative ratio with that many votes.

The only question my youngest son had was if the Staypuff Marshmallow Man would be in it. My wife wants to see it because of the secretary.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:31:26pm

Cruz getting booed. Also, the gang of 8 stopped up from going over a cliff.

BTW, Trump talks all the time how he gave checks to the dems. It won’t hurt him.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:31:29pm

Donald Trump backed a Vietnam vet over a stateside “fortunate son”? Cruz is right, that’s not Republican at all.

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Viscous Obama  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:31:37pm

Cruz again with this penny-ante out of context crapola

so many pointless shibboleths

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:31:41pm

Maybe the movie is horrible for all I know, but the reaction wouldn’t originate from that, methinks.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:32:02pm

Trump looks terrible and is getting his ass kicked. Sadly, it will only help him get more support.

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:32:09pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

Zedushka is totally in it for Trump. I want to kick his Social Security taking old man ass out on the street. But that would be too Republican.

Don’t give him pie.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:32:22pm

I’m a little behind after helping my wife pack for a girls’ weekend.

I think I just saw Cruz eat a booger on live TV.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:32:38pm

I can’t get the live stream to load. Xfinity is trying to tell me something, like, do you really need this firehose of shit on your computer screen?

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:32:40pm

Trump vs. Hillary

elections.huffingtonpost.com

Trump vs. Bernie

elections.huffingtonpost.com

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:05pm

The wall’s about to grow another 10 feet, methinks.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:17pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

Zedushka is totally in it for Trump. I want to kick his Social Security taking old man ass out on the street. But that would be too Republican.

Refuse to make his favorite pies until he comes to his senses.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:39pm

“So, Mr. Trump, is the wall and the deportation plan bullshit, or nah?”

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:42pm

re: #161 Dr. Matt

Trump looks terrible and is getting his ass kicked. Sadly, it will only help him get more support.

I don’t see anyone losing per se. It is just a hog slop fest, and that will play to Trump.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:53pm

Cue the pie chart showing Trump spoke for fifteen to twenty minutes more than the others.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:33:56pm

re: #165 thecommodore

Trump vs. Hillary

elections.huffingtonpost.com

Trump vs. Bernie

elections.huffingtonpost.com

So, what you’re sayin’ is the Republican frontrunner has no chance.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:02pm

“There has to be some tug and pull and deal.” The X-rated debate continues.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:05pm

re: #167 Lidane

Refuse to make his favorite pies until he comes to his senses.

We have been pie-free since January, because he is diabetic and I am fat.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:20pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

Zedushka is totally in it for Trump. I want to kick his Social Security taking old man ass out on the street. But that would be too Republican.

At least Mrs. Fish recognizes that Trump would be an epic disaster. She also dislikes Hillary, which I can understand, considering her political upbringing. She asked, “Isn’t there anyone worth actually voting for?” My response: No, not really, but sometimes we have to pick the lesser of evils. This election will probably turn out to be exactly that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:34pm

re: #171 Belafon

So, what you’re sayin’ is the Republican frontrunner has no chance.

Let’s hope so. A lot can happen between now and November.

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:56pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

Zedushka is totally in it for Trump. I want to kick his Social Security taking old man ass out on the street. But that would be too Republican.

Show him responses under any prominent tweet critical of Trump. Like, take a Ben Shapiro tweet. The Nazi cartoons alone should leave a mark.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:34:57pm

I flick over to watch it. I can’t fucking take it.

click

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:10pm

Is somebody throwing random electric shocks into the audience seats or something? I can’t make sense from the reactions at all.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:10pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:13pm

“I can tell you that” is a great line for bullshitters. It sounds definitive, but it’s just gas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:24pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

At least Mrs. Fish recognizes that Trump would be an epic disaster. She also dislikes Hillary, which I can understand, considering her political upbringing. She asked, “Isn’t there anyone worth actually voting for?” My response: No, not really, but sometimes we have to pick the lesser of evils. This election will probably turn out to be exactly that.

He really thinks Hillary is Satan and Hitler.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:36pm

re: #171 Belafon

So, what you’re sayin’ is the Republican frontrunner has no chance.

He has High Chancellor Sutler’s chance. Needs a massive crisis to terrorize the herd to win.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:35:37pm

In the future all sports are replaced by DebateBall. And the final will be held in Cleveland.

Rollerball ending

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:36:02pm

re: #179 De Kolta Chair

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Can’t we just agree they’re all shit and move on?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:36:26pm

LIBRUL DEMOCRATS AN’ HARRY REID!!!!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:36:51pm

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

In the future all sports are replaced by DebateBall. And the final will be held in Cleveland.

[Embedded content]

Moonpie dies.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:36:56pm

These are just random sentences now. Flag on the moon. How did it get there?

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:03pm
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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:03pm

re: #171 Belafon

So, what you’re sayin’ is the Republican frontrunner has no chance.

I’m hoping…really hoping…that Trump’s downward trend since New Year’s continues until he’s in McGovern/Goldwater territory.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:21pm
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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:23pm

Watching this debate is like watching a train crash into a sinking ship, I can’t turn away.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:28pm

Fox News home page finally starts streaming…

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:37pm

Stand proud, Detroit

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:37:38pm

“Too much respect for the process”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:23pm

re: #189 thecommodore

I’m hoping…really hoping…that Trump’s downward trend since New Year’s continues until he’s in McGovern/Goldwater territory.

Would I be wrong in hoping for a wipeout so big that conservative becomes a dirty word for a generation the way liberalism did after McGovern? Conservatives haven’t suffered a true repudiation of their backass backwards views since 1964.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:35pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:37pm
Oooo… another GOP debate!
Reallllly??!!!??
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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:39pm

So far… I’m not sure we’ve seen anything that can persuade voters…

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:58pm

“Little” Marco seems to be a bit overwhelmed so far, though.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:38:59pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Would I be wrong in hoping for a wipeout so big that conservative becomes a dirty word for a generation the way liberalism did after McGovern? Conservatives haven’t suffered a true repudiation of their backass backwards views since 1964.

No

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:39:05pm

hahahahahahaha

suck it gop

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:39:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:39:21pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

Stand proud, Detroit

[Embedded content]

What are they doing?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:39:44pm

re: #200 Big Beautiful Door

No

I really really want to happen because conservative as it presently means in this country means everything wrong with our country.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:40:11pm

re: #141 Nyet

Dudebros are already panning the new Ghostbusters trailer:

[Embedded content]

Dunno, I’ll give it a chance. Seems like fun.

I’m not against the film because the four stars lack Y chromosomes. I’m against it because it looks like the first film with the serial number filed off.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:40:11pm

I guess it’s my perspective, but when you have to look through all of the shitty Republicans I do here in Texas, most Democrats (except Webb, who really wasn’t one) not only look better, but they all look pretty damn good. They give a shit about the right things, though maybe not in the same order I do. They’re tested. They don’t think God is whispering in their ear.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:40:13pm

there are not enough what the fucks in the entire galactic quadrant to deal with this election

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Testy Toad T  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:40:20pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Would I be wrong in hoping for a wipeout so big that conservative becomes a dirty word for a generation the way liberalism did after McGovern? Conservatives haven’t suffered a true repudiation of their backass backwards views since 1964.

Yes.

One generation is insufficient.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:40:59pm

I spend appx 100 dollars a month at starbucks. I’m going to eliminate my Starbucks spending and save over 500 dollars a month /Trump_Math

RBS

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:04pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:07pm

re: #188 Lidane

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:10pm

My daughter is reacting with incredulity to Trump’s wall idea.

Good girl.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:29pm

re: #201 b.d.

hahahahahahaha

[Embedded content]

suck it gop

Because it was a stupid idea making a freshman senator who barely shows up for work your guy. I don’t know what the establishment was thinking when they decided Rubio would be their guy but call me unimpressed. He has the charisma of Mitt Romney, the intelligence of Dan Quayle, and respect for his job as Sarah Palin.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:52pm

re: #208 Testy Toad T

Yes.

One generation is insufficient.

You got me there :).

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Viscous Obama  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:41:57pm

They need to use cattle prods on this crowd

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:42:10pm

Retweeted by a Republican friend of mine:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:42:15pm

re: #212 withak

My daughter is reacting with incredulity to Trump’s wall idea.

Good girl.

Better Mom and Dad. You built that!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:42:22pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Because it was a stupid idea making a freshman senator who barely shows up for work your guy. I don’t know what the establishment was thinking when they decided Rubio would be their guy but call me unimpressed. He has the charisma of Mitt Romney, the intelligence of Dan Quayle, and respect for his job as Sarah Palin.

He’s supposed to be the future of the GOP. The GOP Obama, LMAO!

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steve_davis  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:42:43pm

re: #25 freetoken

Fox News site still telling me “Stream not found”.

Well, these are all relatively old men (Rubio wants to be an old man), so not surprising they can’t generate a stream.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:42:46pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Because it was a stupid idea making a freshman senator who barely shows up for work your guy. I don’t know what the establishment was thinking when they decided Rubio would be their guy but call me unimpressed. He has the charisma of Mitt Romney, the intelligence of Dan Quayle, and respect for his job as Sarah Palin.

I mean, their other options were………?

The GOP bench is just NYC-in-July hot garbage being rummaged through by a raccoon with rabies.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:16pm

This is more dignified than what we have seen so far…

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:17pm

The Republican candidates might not finish second in Detroit, even if there is no party split. Seriously. Obama won 281,382 votes in 2012, to Romney’s 6,016.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:25pm

re: #216 Lidane

Retweeted by a Republican friend of mine:

[Embedded content]

And a look inside the White House:

their response
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:31pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:39pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:47pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

He really thinks Hillary is Satan and Hitler.

To which my reply would be: It’s pretty clear that Trump is Hitler, at this point. Who is it, exactly, who is advocating for the expulsion of foreigners and the banning of a certain religious group from entering the country? Who wants to build a gianormous fucking wall?

I am sorry that Zedushka seems to have sold himself out to the dumbass side. It’s got to be hard.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:43:56pm

re: #216 Lidane

Retweeted by a Republican friend of mine:

“Do I make you laugh? Do I amuse you?”

“Are you kidding? I’m pissing my pants.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:44:05pm

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

He’s supposed to be the future of the GOP. The GOP Obama, LMAO!

Maybe I’m crazy but I can’t help but to wonder if they saw that he had some superficial things in common with Obama and ignored the things he doesn’t have in common with Obama. I am just not impressed by Marco Rubio at all. I mean I admit that’s partisan biased but this was your great hope, GOP, your future? Better start over again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:44:25pm

re: #226 thedopefishlives

To which my reply would be: It’s pretty clear that Trump is Hitler, at this point. Who is it, exactly, who is advocating for the expulsion of foreigners and the banning of a certain religious group from entering the country? Who wants to build a gianormous fucking wall?

I am sorry that Zedushka seems to have sold himself out to the dumbass side. It’s got to be hard.

It’s sad to see a loved one deteriorate.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:44:26pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Better Mom and Dad. You built that!

Watching with the wife and daughter. The wife pays little attention to politics, but this may change that. She’s really disgusted with Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:44:34pm

re: #220 Testy Toad T

I mean, their other options were………?

The GOP bench is just NYC-in-July hot garbage being rummaged through by a raccoon with rabies.

True, true.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:44:49pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

At least Mrs. Fish recognizes that Trump would be an epic disaster. She also dislikes Hillary, which I can understand, considering her political upbringing. She asked, “Isn’t there anyone worth actually voting for?” My response: No, not really, but sometimes we have to pick the lesser of evils. This election will probably turn out to be exactly that.

fortunately for me, boopsie, who was no fooling born in siberia, turns out to be more progressive than me

e.g. she is a total radical on gun control

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:13pm

FREE THE TAPES DONALD THEY WANT TO BE FREE LET THEM GO JOAN BAEZ SEZ LET THEM BE FREE AND RUN WILD

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:17pm

re: #230 withak

Watching with the wife and daughter. The wife pays little attention to politics, but this may change that. She’s really disgusted with Trump.

I am just glad that my parents are disgusted by him. I’ve always known where they stand but it’s still a relief.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:21pm

“It’s called The Season.”

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Amory Blaine  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:32pm

re: #188 Lidane

I bought a little dumpster for my desk, I originally was going to burn cone incense in it for my own desktop “fires” but I keep my picks in there for now.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:41pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

It’s sad to see a loved one deteriorate.

Quite so. It’s kind of been the opposite with me; as opposed to watching my loved ones deteriorate, I’ve been having the realization of how warped and twisted they are. I’ve been going to the light side, as opposed to them going over to the dark side.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:45:46pm

re: #141 Nyet

Dudebros are already panning the new Ghostbusters trailer:

[Embedded content]

Dunno, I’ll give it a chance. Seems like fun.

Did a page on this earlier.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:09pm
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SpaceJesus  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:10pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

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I think Ted Cruz’s face might be allergic to itself.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:18pm

American workers want to fight tooth and nail for low paying dead end jobs!!!

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:47pm

re: #237 thedopefishlives

Quite so. It’s kind of been the opposite with me; as opposed to watching my loved ones deteriorate, I’ve been having the realization of how warped and twisted they are. I’ve been going to the light side, as opposed to them going over to the dark side.

That’s gotta be tough. I mean I could never stop loving a relative because of political differences but it would make things uncomfortable.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:46:55pm

Other hotels scrape for the cheapest possible labor too!

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:16pm

“I’ve given my answer, Lyin’ Ted.”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:18pm

Lyin’ Ted

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:27pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:30pm

re: #221 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is more dignified than what we have seen so far…

Embedded Image

OT, but I’ve been into “Everybody Hates Chris,” which I missed on its first go round. Terry Crews is great in it.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:47pm

Hey, wasn’t there a fourth guy in this debate?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:47:49pm

FREE THE TAPES FREE MUMIA FREE COLLEGE FREE DRUGS FREE LOVE FREE CABLE FREE SMOKES!!!!!!!!!

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:23pm

re: #250 Aunty Entity Dragon

FREE THE TAPES FREE MUMIA FREE COLLEGE FREE DRUGS FREE LOVE FREE CABLE FREE SMOKES!!!!!!!!!

Free Willy!

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:26pm

re: #249 BongCrodny

Hey, wasn’t there a fourth guy in this debate?

No, he said he was dropping out… oh, wait, not that guy. I honestly can’t tell.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:35pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:44pm

I’d be ROFL if it weren’t for the fact that this is to select the candidate for one of the two major parties to run for what is one of, if not the most powerful position in the world.

It’s not WWE grade work, it’s maybe second tier feeder circuit grade stuff.

RBS

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:53pm

re: #249 BongCrodny

Hey, wasn’t there a fourth guy in this debate?

I think he was prepped for surgery…his own.

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:48:54pm

re: #251 BongCrodny

Free Willy!

Free Mason!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:06pm

YOUR A LIAR
NO YOU ARE THE YOOGE LIAR!!!
NO YOUR LYING!!!!!

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:09pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:30pm

re: #256 makeitstop

Free Mason!

Free Bird!!!!!!

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:39pm

Am I too cynical if I believe the TL;DR of this debate to be:

Click to Reveal

NSFW, Yo.

Kuz0o7z6IJmWppknwUhuXpPkWiBOyl7EU66gvKeXihxkPKF3bzEV7RkViNhmi7+pCKXG6bCwZA4=

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:52pm

I waz called in to help Rumsfeld kill the jihadis after 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that will impress a lot of people now.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:49:55pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

That’s gotta be tough. I mean I could never stop loving a relative because of political differences but it would make things uncomfortable.

And that’s exactly it. More and more, as time has been going by, I just kinda clam up when political conversations come up. At the very least, fishfolk and I agree on one thing: Trump is an absolute dick. If they vote in the Indiana primary, I suspect they will be voting for Rubio. I, of course, would never say this to them, but I would’ve voted on the Democratic side of the MN primary.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:50:08pm
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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:50:23pm

Free Radical!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:50:50pm

You ought to be more concern about that f*cking dam near Mosul that is going to break anytime and kill upwards of a million people downstream, Kasich.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:50:51pm

re: #259 Reality Based Steve

Free Bird!!!!!!

Please. You NEVER say “Free Bird” without going “WOOOOOOOOOO” after.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:50:54pm

re: #260 Teukka

Am I too cynical if I believe the TL;DR of this debate to be:

[Embedded content]

yea, that would sum it up nicely.

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:01pm

Whatcha gonna do America when Trumpamania runs wild on you?!?!

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:08pm

Trump decides to threaten our military because why not?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:20pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:33pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

Whatcha gonna do America when Trumpamania runs wild on you?!?!

I’m going to move into your house.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:34pm

Trump sez the military is going to be awesome for breaking the entire Geneva convention agreements.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:46pm

The Candidates as South Park characters:

Trump: CARTMAN
Rubio: BUTTERS
Cruz: TERRANCE
Kasich: RANDY MARSH

Hillary: SHEILA BROVLOFSKI
Bernie: MR. GARRISON

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:47pm

re: #267 Reality Based Steve

yea, that would sum it up nicely.

RBS

The debate or me being too cynical?

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:48pm

re: #269 Brian J.

Trump decides to threaten our military because why not?

What? What did he say?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:51:50pm

Trump goes for torture now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:19pm

re: #269 Brian J.

Trump decides to threaten our military because why not?

Another attempt at an exit strategy or seeing how far he can push the envelope?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:26pm

re: #275 makeitstop

What? What did he say?

They will do it, believe me

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:27pm

re: #272 Aunty Entity Dragon

Trump sez the military is going to be awesome for breaking the entire Geneva convention agreements.

Seriously, if you’re a nation with unfriendly relations with Trump’s America, why wouldn’t you order Americans put to the sword?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:28pm

Torture leader. “If I say do it, they’re gonna do it. That’s what leadership is all about.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:43pm

re: #262 thedopefishlives

And that’s exactly it. More and more, as time has been going by, I just kinda clam up when political conversations come up. At the very least, fishfolk and I agree on one thing: Trump is an absolute dick. If they vote in the Indiana primary, I suspect they will be voting for Rubio. I, of course, would never say this to them, but I would’ve voted on the Democratic side of the MN primary.

Sometimes I do that with friends I know I’m going to disagree with. I mean some may call that cowardly but sometimes you just don’t want to get your ear talked off by someone who you know you’re never going to agree with. I’ve come to the conclusion that my best friend from growing up is probably quite wingnutty. I never talk politics with him. When I visited him in 2012 during that primary season, his stepbrother, a vet was ragging a lot on Obama and I just kept my tongue tied. I learned later that the guy had witnessed a lot of shit in Iraq that no one should have to so I was glad that I did not engage.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:52:55pm

Torture and kill family members. The Spanish Inquisition didn’t even go there.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:02pm
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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:07pm

re: #275 makeitstop

What? What did he say?

He said contra the generals who said they wouldn’t obey orders to waterboard, torture, etc. that they’ll obey his orders.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:18pm

And once again with the war crimes. that’s a 5 point bump for him.

RBS

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:29pm

Notice how Ted didn’t address the legality of torture.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:31pm

re: #280 jaunte

Torture leader. “If I say do it, they’re gonna do it. That’s what leadership is all about.”

That’s what Nuremberg was all about.

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:37pm

re: #282 Aunty Entity Dragon

Torture and kill family members. The Spanish Inquisition didn’t even go there.

Yep. Even if one assumes the worst of the stories are true.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:39pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

And kill civilians

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:42pm

All caught up after a dinner break, but I’m out of breath from reading so fast.

I’m not watching the debate, but I suspect reading the comments here is better.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:43pm

Maybe he will yet?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:47pm

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

Another attempt at an exit strategy or seeing how far he can push the envelope?

Maybe an exit strategy so that he can go form the Yuggge Mousse party to fight against the GOP establishment that is not willing to do what needs to be done.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:53:53pm

War crimes get cheers from the audience.

Un-fucking-real.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:54:01pm

re: #274 Teukka

The debate or me being too cynical?

I don’t think that it’s possible to be too cynical about this debate. :)

RBS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:54:10pm

That’s Trump style. He’s used to ordering around servants and employees, not soliders and congressmen.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:54:39pm

re: #293 withak

War crimes get cheers from the audience.

Un-fucking-real.

I’m not shocked. I’ve given up on being shocked on what Republican audiences want.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:54:45pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

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If President Trump happens, Congress should impeach and convict the moment he makes that order.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:54:55pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:55:03pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I’ve mentioned before so I’m sure you’re aware, but I grew up a wingnut and fishfolk are die-hard Republican voters. It’s just how we’re all trained growing up. So even though my family despise Trump as a matter of principle, they’ll vote for him in the general election. I, of course, will never be able to tell them that I voted for Obama in 2012, or that I’m voting on the Democratic side of the aisle in 2016. Although I will probably vote for the guys from my church who are Republicans up for re-election in 2016 in local races, simply because I know they are good guys despite believing some wingnutty things.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:55:38pm

Cruz: “We need a president who waits until the facts are in, but Snowden must hang!!!”

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:55:40pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

That’s what Nuremberg was all about.

I think we can dispense with the notion that American values as we see now are what we were taught in school.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:55:41pm

re: #297 Belafon

If President Trump happens, Congress should impeach and convict the moment he makes that order.

Depending on who the Veep candidate is they could well do it before that point.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:55:51pm

re: #262 thedopefishlives

And that’s exactly it. More and more, as time has been going by, I just kinda clam up when political conversations come up. At the very least, fishfolk and I agree on one thing: Trump is an absolute dick. If they vote in the Indiana primary, I suspect they will be voting for Rubio. I, of course, would never say this to them, but I would’ve voted on the Democratic side of the MN primary.

I just don’t really talk politics IRL, outside of mr. klys and (occasionally and it’s never a good idea) getting into it with either my mother or my in-laws. (And I’m doing my absolute best to completely avoid that.)

In part because it is so hard when you realize how completely counter the beliefs run to the values that you were raised with and thought they believed, and there’s very little that can be said sometimes to try and make it “okay.”

You guys are my relief valve.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:56:01pm

Ted Cruz said he spent a lifetime in law enforcement.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:56:18pm

re: #304 Dr. Matt

Ted Cruz said he spent a lifetime in law enforcement.

HUH?!?!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:56:19pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:56:57pm

Zombie Reagan shambles onstage…eats Kasich.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:08pm

re: #299 thedopefishlives

I’ve mentioned before so I’m sure you’re aware, but I grew up a wingnut and fishfolk are die-hard Republican voters. It’s just how we’re all trained growing up. So even though my family despise Trump as a matter of principle, they’ll vote for him in the general election. I, of course, will never be able to tell them that I voted for Obama in 2012, or that I’m voting on the Democratic side of the aisle in 2016. Although I will probably vote for the guys from my church who are Republicans up for re-election in 2016 in local races, simply because I know they are good guys despite believing some wingnutty things.

Yeah. What I don’t understand are the people who convert to wingnutty. I can empathize with the people born into it a little bit more. I used to wear my politics on my sleeve when I was younger. I was pretty involved in the 2004 election as a high school senior.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:24pm

So Ted appears to passively accept Trump’s position on torture.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:27pm




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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:32pm

So far, nothing contradicts my hypothesis that we’re all the victims in a field test of a CIA election-rigging experiment.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:40pm

Because torture is popular with the rabbling masses.

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:49pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

eww

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:57pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

I saw someone say any interesting idea for Obama.

DNC head?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:57:59pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:01pm

Even money first question after the break is directed to Trump

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Decider  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:04pm

We don’t need to use waterboarding for the terrorists. Let’s just let them listen to Ted Cruz for a few minutes. Cruz’ voice is much worse than any other type of torture.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:14pm

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

HUH?!?!

In Ted’s world, Solicitor General is law enforcement?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:15pm

re: #303 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You pretty much nailed it. I don’t really talk politics; when my folks bring it up, and they always do, I just keep my mouth shut and nod and smile. Mrs. Fish I open up to a bit more, because she’s come around to being more moderate, like I have. My father-in-law is a conspiracy theorist and he keeps his wife under tight wingnut-style control, so I don’t talk politics with them, either. On the topic of extended relations: Apparently one of my brothers-in-law is a Trumpster. My wife said, “Yet another reason not to vote for Trump.” Atta girl, Mrs. Fish.

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:29pm

re: #312 freetoken

Because torture is popular with the rabbling masses.

While those of us who know the shit knows just how frikkin’ unreliable it is, both as a control and as an interrogation technique.

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:29pm

Bush et al. should have been prosecuted for torture.

The failure to do so has led to this.

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:40pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

I can’t watch these things just because of that guy. His face makes me ill.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:58:42pm

Trump is what you’d get if you’d been told to sit down last year and draw up a candidate that would be represent the unfiltered id of the GOP’s base.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:03pm

re: #317 Decider

We don’t need to use waterboarding for the terrorists. Let’s just let them listen to Ted Cruz for a few minutes. Cruz’ voice is much worse than any other type of torture.

Trump and Cruz broadcast from different speakers

No human can withstand that.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:15pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:24pm

re: #318 Dr. Matt

In Ted’s world, Solicitor General is law enforcement?

Green Lantern Theory. He says it with conviction and LO! It becomes reality.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:25pm

re: #310 De Kolta Chair

You’re just having a blast with that segment of the photo, aren’t you. The evil cat look.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:39pm

To modern quote Abraham Lincoln on slavery, I have a strong desire to see torture used on those who think it is good. This shit really pisses me off. When we uncovered what was done by the Nazis, Japanese, and others. It horrified us. Now Republican voters cheer the idea of us doing it. Sigh. I weep for my country seeing that. I know we’ve never been a perfect or even consistent country but goddamnit America. Torture.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:41pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Trump and Cruz broadcast from different speakers

No human can withstand that.

Noriega would have lasted, like, minutes.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:44pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

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The last little unblackened bit of his soul making a desperate bid for freedom.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:50pm

re: #321 Nyet

I’m pretty sure those would only be a few of the needed charges.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 6:59:56pm

re: #326 Aunty Entity Dragon

Green Lantern Theory. He says it with conviction and LO! It becomes reality.

Widespread problem on both sides of the aisle, sadly.

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:00:16pm

re: #325 Lidane

Ben’s wondering why the Fox limo is late

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:00:21pm

Military history questions: Have US solders ever refused an order from a president? When is the last time US soldiers refused to do something to where it stopped an operation?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:00:24pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Who pulled that whopper?

Cruz, to wild applause.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:00:33pm

re: #321 Nyet

Bush et al. should have been prosecuted for torture.

The failure to do so led to this.

In what world would anybody ever have gotten a conviction? Not a chance in hell, and it would have guaranteed an impeachment retaliation for Obama.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:00:40pm

I’m three beers deep. That’s the only way I can handle this bullshit.

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:20pm

re: #337 withak

I’m three beers deep. That’s the only way I can handle this bullshit.

Agreed. I think I’ve had about all I can take for now.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:26pm
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Nyet  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:31pm

re: #336 Aunty Entity Dragon

In what world would anybody ever have gotten a conviction? Not a chance in hell, and it would have guaranteed an impeachment retaliation for Obama.

Well, enjoy the torture parade.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:32pm
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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:37pm

re: #331 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m pretty sure those would only be a few of the needed charges.

Yeah, in a perfect world, the current GOP establishment would have to pay for so much more than just the torture, like the number of times they’ve tried to game the science of things they don’t appreciate. Climate change being just /one/…

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:41pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

To modern quote Abraham Lincoln on slavery, I have a strong desire to see torture used on those who think it is good. This shit really pisses me off. When we uncovered what was done by the Nazis, Japanese, and others. It horrified us. Now Republican voters cheer the idea of us doing it. Sigh. I weep for my country seeing that. I know we’ve never been a perfect or even consistent country but goddamnit America. Torture.

FFS, the Mythbusters (a very innocuous group of people) did a waterboarding experiment, and had to call it off because it was causing legit psychological damage to the subject. And yet, there are people who think that this is not only okay, but applaud it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:01:53pm

re: #339 Lidane

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I’d love to hear some inside sports stories from Crist about what a bastard Rubio is.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:02:36pm

Love you, Detroit

Posted by Deadline Detroit on Thursday, March 3, 2016
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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:02:53pm

re: #343 thedopefishlives

FFS, the Mythbusters (a very innocuous group of people) did a waterboarding experiment, and had to call it off because it was causing legit psychological damage to the subject. And yet, there are people who think that this is not only okay, but applaud it.

i remember Hannity saying he’d undergo it to prove ti wasn’t. The fucking cowardly shit hasn’t done it yet. Anyone who thinks waterboarding isn’t torture is in fucking denial.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:02:55pm

re: #343 thedopefishlives

FFS, the Mythbusters (a very innocuous group of people) did a waterboarding experiment, and had to call it off because it was causing legit psychological damage to the subject. And yet, there are people who think that this is not only okay, but applaud it.

Well, to be accurate they did Chinese water torture (the drip on the forehead).

Not waterboarding.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:03:14pm

re: #319 thedopefishlives

You pretty much nailed it. I don’t really talk politics; when my folks bring it up, and they always do, I just keep my mouth shut and nod and smile. Mrs. Fish I open up to a bit more, because she’s come around to being more moderate, like I have. My father-in-law is a conspiracy theorist and he keeps his wife under tight wingnut-style control, so I don’t talk politics with them, either. On the topic of extended relations: Apparently one of my brothers-in-law is a Trumpster. My wife said, “Yet another reason not to vote for Trump.” Atta girl, Mrs. Fish.

My parents were both pretty liberal, though Mom remained a registered Republican her whole life. My mother went to her grave without revealing who she voted for in the 1964 election. her father was strongly for Goldwater, and my Dad supported Johnson and she wasn’t going to wade into that. I should have asked her after my Dad died, but for some reason, by the ’90s the ‘64 election wasn’t in the front of my mind.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:03:30pm

re: #347 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, to be accurate they did Chinese water torture (the drip on the forehead).

Not waterboarding.

Fair point, but still.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:04:00pm

Trump can’t handle video proof of his flip-flopping.

I can’t believe I’m cheering for Megyn Kelly.

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:04:25pm

re: #343 thedopefishlives

FFS, the Mythbusters (a very innocuous group of people) did a waterboarding experiment, and had to call it off because it was causing legit psychological damage to the subject. And yet, there are people who think that this is not only okay, but applaud it.

I think it was Chinese water torture to be exact, not what is commonly referred to as waterboarding. Chinese water torture is a vacation in the West Indies compared to waterboarding.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:04:28pm

re: #350 withak

Trump can’t handle video proof of his flip-flopping.

I can’t believe I’m cheering for Megyn Kelly.

The old adage, “War makes strange bedfellows,” springs to mind.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:04:55pm

re: #327 Feline Fearless Leader

You’re just having a blast with that segment of the photo, aren’t you. The evil cat look.

Lovin’ it. Puffin, right?

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:04:56pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:05:14pm

I have a core that you can crack walnuts on. I have a core that is just YUUUGE.

RBS

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:05:19pm

Megyn, I have a very strong core, and words, what are words, even my words, they are nothing to the core.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:05:24pm

re: #334 Belafon

Military history question: Have US solders ever refused an order from a president? When is the last time US soldiers refused to do something to where it stopped an operation?

Off the top of my head I would say only places in particularly nasty battles where troops on the field refused to carry out assaults guaranteed to generate heavy losses for no gains. Or they made a very tentative effort and immediately took cover.

American Civil War during Battle of Cold Harbor and some attacks during the Siege of Petersburg. And digging in books I could probably find an example or two from World War II on a much smaller scale (like company level) from the Italian Campaign.

In either case I don’t think this brought a large scale operation to a halt in the early stages - this was after things were underway. And not due to an order being “illegal”, but more due to it being obviously foolhardy or suicidal.

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Ming5000  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:05:41pm

re: #350 withak

Trump can’t handle video proof of his flip-flopping.

I can’t believe I’m cheering for Megyn Kelly.

Trump pulled it out in the end. No damage

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:05:46pm

Fox may be trying to pave the way for Romney to enter the race

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:00pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:02pm

Boring.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:12pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:23pm

re: #340 Nyet

Well, enjoy the torture parade.

You deal with the reality you have, and reliably half of the population approves of torturing terror suspects. No chance of a conviction in the United States, and any prosecution would have derailed the administration and resulted in retaliatory impeachment and prosecutions after the fact against Obama and his people.

This also means that our system of rule of law is about as stable as a 1970’s banana republic because we have no means to actually apply the law to the people in power.

This will have to be resolved by another country that claims universal jurisdiction over war crimes. We actually cannot handle it ourselves.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:28pm

re: #360 b.d.

Way ahead of you. I’m bordering on the Iron Fist rule right now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:48pm

re: #362 Lidane

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And that’s okay to the people who support him because hey he’s not a typical politician! Typical politicians know policies!

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:06:58pm

re: #358 Ming5000

Trump pulled it out in the end. No damage

Yeah, that was weak. He did a lot of rambling non-answering, though.

Rubio may save it.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:13pm

Attention, scorekeepers: Kasich loses two points for making sense.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:17pm

You want to talk reality, Kasich? Let’s talk women’s reproductive rights, jerk.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:25pm

re: #364 thedopefishlives

Way ahead of you. I’m bordering on the Iron Fist rule right now.

I need the explanation to that one.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:29pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:39pm

re: #353 De Kolta Chair

Lovin’ it. Puffin, right?

Yes, also referred to as “Tuxedo Cat”. My problem Feline Overlord since she is moody, destructive, finicky, and then climbs in your lap to get pets. In other words, a cat.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:07:42pm
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:07pm

False.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:08pm

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:09pm

Trump is taking some hard hits in the clinches on this. HAD an A from the BBB, latest grade was a D- IIRC

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:25pm

re: #372 Lidane

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Yet we’re spending too much on moochers the right wingers tell us.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:27pm

re: #374 freetoken

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

no

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:40pm

re: #375 Reality Based Steve

Trump is taking some hard hits in the clinches on this. HAD an A from the BBB, latest grade was a D- IIRC

RBS

Yes.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:08:52pm

re: #374 freetoken

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

Doubtful. He’s already got a ton of delegates in the bank. And those who want to believe aren’t going to listen to logic or reason.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:14pm

Speaking of court, Trump the other day re his phony university: We’ve won most of those cases.

ALLof those cases are still in litigation. Mention that, Ms. Kelly.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:16pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Personal wild guess: Marco Rubio was selected to be a Barack Obama analogue, and heavily practiced touting the correct slate of materials and put-downs to defeat Clinton by running against Obama.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:20pm

re: #357 Feline Fearless Leader

Off the top of my head I would say only places in particularly nasty battles where troops on the field refused to carry out assaults guaranteed to generate heavy losses for no gains. Or they made a very tentative effort and immediately took cover.

American Civil War during Battle of Cold Harbor and some attacks during the Siege of Petersburg. And digging in books I could probably find an example or two from World War II on a much smaller scale (like company level) from the Italian Campaign.

In either case I don’t think this brought a large scale operation to a halt in the early stages - this was after things were underway. And not due to an order being “illegal”, but more due to it being obviously foolhardy or suicidal.

Might find small-unit refusals at the scenes of some massacres during the Indian Wars, and the helicopter crew that shut down Medina’s bullshit at Mai Lai. These are a long, long way from presidential orders because the DoD decision-making process is designed to short-circuit anything blatantly illegal.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:30pm

re: #374 freetoken

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

i don’t know what it’s going to take for Trump to flop. I think there could be acutal clips of him calling the Republican base a bunch of dumb redneck morons who will buy anything eh says and he still totally wouldn’t flop. He’s in this for the long run.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:34pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

I need the explanation to that one.

The Iron Fist Rule: If you think you’re too drunk to post, you are too drunk to post. Named for a former LGF member of the same name, who apparently had problems with drinking and posting.

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:35pm

re: #374 freetoken

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

They should have started about 30 debates ago.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:49pm

The A rating must have gotten lost in the mail. Call my secretary and I’ll cut you a brand new A rating in the morning.

RBS

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:09:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:10:05pm

re: #381 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Personal wild guess: Marco Rubio was selected to be a Barack Obama analogue, and heavily practiced touting the correct slate of materials and put-downs to defeat Clinton by running against Obama.

Yeah I guess so. Color me unimpressed in any case. He’s a hack.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:10:23pm

re: #374 freetoken

All of this pile-on regarding Trump… maybe it might make a difference?

Maybe after the convention, when all this shit starts showing up in Clinton attack ads.

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weave  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:11:07pm

Holy mother of god I can’t believe this “debate.” All it is is the moderators piling on Trump and the other candidates then get their turns to add on as well.

Trump sucks but this is a real railroad job. But it’s Fox…. of course they are not going to be “fair and balanced.”

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Brian J.  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:11:12pm

re: #372 Lidane

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And of course, much of the spending by those countries on the right is for American weapons.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:11:17pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess so. Color me unimpressed in any case. He’s a hack.

Yeah, but he won Minnesota! WOOO!!!

Okay, so I admit, I’m laughing my ass off at the fact that the one state he managed to win was a backwater flyover-country state that is widely regarded as among the most liberal states in the country.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:11:33pm

Rubio looks like he needs a shave…..

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:11:48pm

By the way, a reason why Trump may have gotten way with his defenses of Planned Parenthood, he still talks about defunding it too. So to Donald something he acknowledges helps millions of women needs to be defunded. That may actually bother me more than than if he actually believes the crap about it.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:12:01pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Might find small-unit refusals at the scenes of some massacres during the Indian Wars, and the helicopter crew that shut down Medina’s bullshit at Mai Lai. These are a long, long way from presidential orders because the DoD decision-making process is designed to short-circuit anything blatantly illegal.

And I know we don’t know much of the DoD decision making, so we don’t know the answer to the question of the president saying “Hey, let’s do this” and the brass saying “um, nope” but I wonder if they could truly handle the president saying “Yeah, well, my dick’s bigger than yours, do it.”

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:12:22pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:12:28pm

Trump getting pounded by Megyn Kelly over Trump U.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:12:46pm

re: #395 Belafon

And I know we don’t know much of the DoD decision making, so we don’t know the answer to the question of the president saying “Hey, let’s do this” and the brass saying “um, nope” but I wonder if they could truly handle the president saying “Yeah, well, my dick’s bigger than yours, do it.”

I believe they would resign., at least I hope they would.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:12:57pm
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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:06pm

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

Trump getting pounded by Megyn Kelly over Trump U.

The Revenge of Megyn

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philosophus invidius  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:09pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:26pm

re: #363 Aunty Entity Dragon

Conviction or not, justice demands a trial. American’s can’t sweep this under the rug and as Sergey pointed out, it will fester.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:28pm

Put Donald in a corner, and he retreats to YUUUUUGE poll numbers and YUUUUUGE primary wins.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:32pm

re: #393 Reality Based Steve

Rubio looks like he needs a shave…..

RBS

When he runs again in four years he’s going to look like he needs a toupee.

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makeitstop  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:32pm

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

Trump getting pounded by Megyn Kelly over Trump U.

I can’t keep track of who Fox is sucking up to and who they’re trying to trash.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:54pm

re: #395 Belafon

And I know we don’t know much of the DoD decision making, so we don’t know the answer to the question of the president saying “Hey, let’s do this” and the brass saying “um, nope” but I wonder if they could truly handle the president saying “Yeah, well, my dick’s bigger than yours, do it.”

With the possible exception of Andrew Jackson, we haven’t elected that kind of asshole. Yet.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:13:58pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:04pm

Not to defend Rubio, but what office has Trump ever been elected to?

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:15pm

re: #401 philosophus invidius

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It’s Fox News, they’ve been unglued since the beginning. You ought to know, as Queen of the Unglued. Stupid loon, making my fair wild north country look bad.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:28pm
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Cheechako  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:29pm

I miss Ben’s calming influence.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:44pm

re: #405 makeitstop

I can’t keep track of who Fox is sucking up to and who they’re trying to trash.

Trashing Trump

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Amory Blaine  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:49pm

re: #401 philosophus invidius

She knows all about the glue.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:14:58pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Might find small-unit refusals at the scenes of some massacres during the Indian Wars, and the helicopter crew that shut down Medina’s bullshit at Mai Lai. These are a long, long way from presidential orders because the DoD decision-making process is designed to short-circuit anything blatantly illegal.

Probably a case or two in the USN regarding firing on survivors in the water. (See Battle of the Bismarck Sea for an example of this where it was done and deemed acceptable.)

I recall reading in at least one book that some USN sub commanders stopped attacking fishing sampans after the first few times they followed orders and attacks and sank them (usually using deckgun fire, or boarding and using explosive charges.)

These cases are still pretty far down the command chain, and also at the small unit level.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:00pm

“Count to 10, Donald.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:01pm

re: #411 Cheechako

I miss Ben’s calming influence.

I miss Jeb.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:12pm

“Count to ten, Donald. Count to ten.”

That always got a chuckle in high school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:23pm
419
Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:25pm

Cruz is such a slimy weasel. He’ll stick a knife in a back in a heartbeat.

(no offence meant to any actual weasels)

RBS

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:33pm

I miss Huckabee…

… no, not really.

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:40pm
422
BeachDem  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:43pm

Turned it on in time to catch the pie fight between Trump and Rubio about Trump U, but then Cruz opened his hideous pie hole and I had to bail. So, I’ll just follow along here.

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philosophus invidius  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:47pm

re: #396 Dr. Matt

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:56pm
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Decider  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:56pm
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:15:57pm

Dear lord I can’t stand Cruz and Rubio.

I only dislike Trump

and I’m only kinda dislike Kasich

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:16:25pm

This is really fucking weird.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:16:27pm

I think Trump is melting…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:16:32pm

re: #426 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Dear lord I can’t stand Cruz and Rubio.

I only dislike Trump

and I’m only kinda dislike Kasich

I dislike all of them to various degrees.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:16:47pm
431
freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:16:53pm

At this moment I want to thank President Obama for destroying the Republican party.

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:17:20pm
433
nines09  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:17:22pm
All You Need To Know
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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:17:35pm

re: #424 Lidane

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If it comes to that, I can’t wait to see HRC tear Trump a new one on the debate stage.

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:17:37pm

re: #431 freetoken

At this moment I want to thank President Obama for destroying the Republican party.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:17:57pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

I dislike all of them to various degrees.

As do most sane people. I don’t know what the fuck the Republican party put in the water, but all of their “options” are equally detestable to me.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:08pm
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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:09pm

re: #431 freetoken

At this moment I want to thank President Obama for destroying the Republican party.

Just wait until you see what a Woman or Jewish president does to them.

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:29pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Might find small-unit refusals at the scenes of some massacres during the Indian Wars, and the helicopter crew that shut down Medina’s bullshit at Mai Lai. These are a long, long way from presidential orders because the DoD decision-making process is designed to short-circuit anything blatantly illegal.

But would that prevent the Drumpfhole from arranging summary executions for insubordination?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:33pm

re: #424 Lidane

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She’s a badass. Love it.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:36pm

re: #401 philosophus invidius

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Were they ever glued in the first place?

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:38pm

This is some kind of bizarro world debate. Has there been a single fact-based proposal aired yet?

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:38pm

re: #436 thedopefishlives

As do most sane people. I don’t know what the fuck the Republican party put in the water, but all of their “options” are equally detestable to me.

I admit if I didn’t know anything, I could see Kasich a sort of likable.

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:53pm

re: #433 nines09

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I’d wear that hat…but I’d wear it ironically.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:18:58pm

Kasich just fumbles a bit too much to take advantage of the mess standing on his right…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:07pm

re: #443 Reality Based Steve

This is some kind of bizarro world debate. Has there been a single fact-based proposal aired yet?

RBS

First candidate that promises to resurrect Ronald Reagan wins.

448
jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:10pm
449
Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:13pm

re: #390 weave

Holy mother of god I can’t believe this “debate.” All it is is the moderators piling on Trump and the other candidates then get their turns to add on as well.

Trump sucks but this is a real railroad job. But it’s Fox…. of course they are not going to be “fair and balanced.”

Are the Fox moderators doing promos for “Cadre Cola” during the breaks?

450
Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:32pm
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Mich-again  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:45pm

I saw Motley Crue at the Fox Theater circa 1985. This band is less talented.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:51pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Just wait until you see what a Woman or Jewish president does to them.

‘Ear ‘ear!

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:19:55pm

re: #443 Reality Based Steve

This is some kind of bizarro world debate. Has there been a single fact-based proposal aired yet?

RBS

Kasich is the only one talking sense, but mostly in platitudes, and not concrete policy proposals.

Rubio and Trump are slapfighting, and Cruz is pretending to be above the fray, all the while wishing he was in it like Rubio.

454
BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:21pm

Trump’s like Harold Hill in “The Music Man” — except at the end, he really does skip out of town with the money,

455
Decider  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:29pm

This is actually scary that these are the best the Republicans can offer. It is better for them to stick to talk radio and Fox News bashing Democrats. That is where they belong.

456
darthstar  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:41pm

Ted Cruz isn’t looking at his notes between questions, apparently.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:45pm

re: #448 jaunte

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Needs hazardous duty pay.

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b.d.  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:47pm

I’m done folks, I can’t take anymore of that dumpster fire. Y’all are a great bunch, later.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:20:54pm

How long does this clown show last? Will I need beer reinforcements?

460
freetoken  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:20pm

Fox really let Cruz skate by on the torture question.

And the other two up there are too afraid to touch it.

461
Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:23pm

re: #459 withak

How long does this clown show last? Will I need beer reinforcements?

Til 11:00 I think

462
jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:43pm

re: #457 calochortus

“Sadly, there was no policy to analyze. The end.”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:47pm

re: #430 goddamnedfrank

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Is Carson going to wake up, phone in, and tell them to consider it being lupus?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:50pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:52pm

re: #358 Ming5000

No comment.

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withak  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:21:54pm

re: #461 Big Beautiful Door

Til 11:00 I think

I really hope you mean 11 Eastern. Or I’m not going to be able to go to work tomorrow…

467
FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:00pm
468
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:06pm

I know Kasich is no moderate, and I disagree with almost all his positions.

But I feel like at least he’s a real human being.

Not sure what that’s worth, but I’ll take that over any of the other clowns on stage.

469
Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:06pm

re: #440 Teukka

But would that prevent the Drumpfhole from arranging summary executions for insubordination?

There’s no provision for that under the UCMJ. A refusnik could be relieved because they serve at the convenience of, but that would all get sorted out with due process.

470
The Vicious Babushka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:27pm

re: #454 BongCrodny

Trump’s like Harold Hill in “The Music Man” — except at the end, he really does skip out of town with the money,

Trump is like Franz Liebkind in “The Producers”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:54pm
472
jaunte  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:55pm

Why is the tubular bell so big in political music?

473
De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:22:59pm

An actual Michigan-related question? Has Fox gone mad???

474
Mich-again  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:14pm

re: #458 b.d.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:21pm
476
thedopefishlives  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:27pm

re: #468 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I know Kasich is no moderate, and I disagree with almost all his positions.

But I feel like at least he’s a real human being.

Not sure what that’s worth, but I’ll take that over any of the other clowns on stage.

Considering that American politics is, at its core, a process of “the lesser of two evils”, that may well be enough to earn him votes. Although not at the expense of Democratic candidates with actual substantive positions on issues, I admit.

477
Big Beautiful Door  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:28pm

OOOOO, A flint question

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Teukka  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:35pm

re: #469 Decatur Deb

There’s no provision for that under the UCMJ. A refusnik could be relieved because they serve at the convenience of, but that would all get sorted out with due process.

So it would be outright lynchings orchestrated from the WH in that case?

479
FormerDirtDart  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:44pm

This made me think of Lil’ Marco

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Lidane  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:23:57pm
481
BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:09pm

Guess I’m not up on the Flint situation as I should be — exactly what was the Federal breakdown re: Flint?

482
De Kolta Chair  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:25pm

Sorry, Marco, what’s happening in Flint is not in the past tense.

483
HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:33pm

cnn.com
Actual CNN headline.

484
Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:34pm

Flint question?

Give the governor credit!!!!!

485
Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:38pm

re: #440 Teukka

But would that prevent the Drumpfhole from arranging summary executions for insubordination?

If POTUS Trump managed to get the JCS (or enough resignations to pack a JCS) and on down with generals agreeable to something like that we as people and a country would be horribly screwed. Because, in my opinion, that would be the same types willing to order soldiers to fire on unarmed US civilians, and also find the lower level officers (and units) willing to do it.

486
Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:47pm

re: #478 Teukka

So it would be outright lynchings orchestrated from the WH in that case?

They wouldn’t have the manpower. There are no Praetorians.

487
Dr. Matt  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:53pm
488
HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:24:54pm

re: #482 De Kolta Chair

Sorry, Marco, what’s happening in Flint is not in the past tense.

And it’s happening other places too.

489
HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:25:17pm

re: #487 Dr. Matt

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That was different, that was something we could ruin Clinton on.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:25:27pm

re: #481 BongCrodny

Guess I’m not up on the Flint situation as I should be — exactly what was the Federal breakdown re: Flint?

A black guy was in the white house so he has to be at fault somehow.

491
Mich-again  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:25:30pm

Flint water crisis was the result of the Michigan GOP’s long standing goal of privatizing the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department at all costs.

492
Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:25:34pm

re: #455 Decider

This is actually scary that these are the best the Republicans can offer. It is better for them to stick to talk radio and Fox News bashing Democrats. That is where they belong.

And the biggest problem that the conservative writers and bloggers will simply write about how “Fox News set up and picked on their candidate”. Not that the candidates proceeded to spend the entire debate slap-fighting, throwing shade and generally behaving in a manner that would get a birthday party group tossed out of Chucky-Cheese for being obnoxious.

I do see Trump coming off the worst in this, only because he’s adopted the tactic of openly mocking and belittling Cruz and Rubio to an unprecedented degree. Of course, I’m not drain bamaged, so who knows, the core audience may be eating it up.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:25:44pm
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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:26:01pm

re: #481 BongCrodny

Guess I’m not up on the Flint situation as I should be — exactly what was the Federal breakdown re: Flint?

I believe the local EPA official failed to prevent the situation. There is probably some merit to this claim, but not much.

495
Mich-again  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:27:51pm

re: #494 calochortus

No, the Governor had absolute power after imposing the Emergency manager. The State had been told numerous times that the switch to Flint River was a bad idea and he ignored all the warnings

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:28:12pm

re: #492 Reality Based Steve

I took a brief glance at things over at FR and they are very, very angry with Fox News and think Trump is handling this unfair situation very well.
I kid you not.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:28:19pm

Going up

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:28:21pm

re: #299 thedopefishlives

I’ve mentioned before so I’m sure you’re aware, but I grew up a wingnut and fishfolk are die-hard Republican voters. It’s just how we’re all trained growing up. So even though my family despise Trump as a matter of principle, they’ll vote for him in the general election. I, of course, will never be able to tell them that I voted for Obama in 2012, or that I’m voting on the Democratic side of the aisle in 2016. Although I will probably vote for the guys from my church who are Republicans up for re-election in 2016 in local races, simply because I know they are good guys despite believing some wingnutty things.

What kinds of things will your Wingnut good-guys enact when elected?

Sorry but that’s terrifying to me as a person who might be stuck with your friends ideals - or lack thereof. (I’m not in MN which I think you are, but the principle remains the same.)

I’m sorry but that’s DF twisted logic. Of they’re wingnuts, they’re not going to be good-guys to a lot of people.

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BongCrodny  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:29:00pm

Fuck you, Ted. Just…fuck you.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:29:50pm

re: #496 calochortus

I took a brief glance at things over at FR and they are very, very angry with Fox News and think Trump is handling this unfair situation very well.
I kid you not.

Yep… I popped over there early myself. It’s horrible that they had slides showing how wrong he was. That’s because when they (moderators) prepped, they looked at each question and had rebuttals set up for obviously false statements. Good NYT piece on it this morning.

RBS

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unproven innocence  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:32:42pm

re: #311 Pawn of the Oppressor

So far, nothing contradicts my hypothesis that we’re all the victims in a field test of a CIA election-rigging experiment.

Apparently, we are the monsters on Maple Street.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:32:52pm

re: #495 Mich-again

No, the Governor had absolute power after imposing the Emergency manager. The State had been told numerous times that the switch to Flint River was a bad idea and he ignored all the warnings

The EPA apparently admitted that they let Michigan official stonewall them.
From The Detroit News

An EPA spokeswoman told Reuters that the federal agency did not act fast enough in addressing the growing problem in the city.

While the federal agency worked to “repeatedly and urgently communicate the steps the state needed to take to properly treat its water, those necessary actions were not taken as quickly as they should have been,” the EPA said in a Tuesday statement.

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Mich-again  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:38:52pm

re: #502 calochortus

So are you proposing the EPA have an militarized enforcement division ?

504
TedStriker  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:41:56pm

re: #211 Aunty Entity Dragon

Embedded Image

Elderly Ghost Rider?

///

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:42:16pm

re: #503 Mich-again

So are you proposing the EPA have an militarized enforcement division ?

Not at all. And I don’t think it’s the EPA’s fault. I was just saying that’s where the idea of the feds causing all the problems came from-an actual admission from the local head of the EPA that they didn’t push hard enough. Hence my “some merit to the claim, but not much” remark.

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Lancelot Link  Mar 3, 2016 • 7:55:41pm

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

He’s supposed to be the future of the GOP. The GOP Obama, LMAO!

More like the GOP Ed Milliband.


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