Saturday Jam: NPR Tiny Desk Concert: Monsieur Periné

Afro-Colombian jazz
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I dare you not to feel good listening to this wonderful band from Colombia. I double dare you.

March 4, 2016 by FELIX CONTRERAS

Monsieur Periné hails from Colombia, a country known for its Afro-Colombian cumbia, as well as New York-style salsa. Instead, however, the band has embraced 1920s-era, guitar-driven jazz from the U.S. The unlikely inspiration has resulted in a large and international following, as well as a Latin Grammy not too long ago: Monsieur Periné was named 2015’s Best New Artist.

Words don’t do this band justice. Play the video and discover Monsieur Periné’s magic for yourself.

Caja De Música is available now
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/caja-de-musica/id1000830433
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YJKH3AM/?tag=littlegreenfo-20

Set List:
“Nuestra Canci—n”
“Sabor A Mi”
“La Muerte”

Credits:
Producers: Felix Contreras, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Niki Walker, Colin Marshall, Kara Frame; Production Assistant: Jackson Sinnenberg; Photo: Brandon Chew/NPR.

For more Tiny Desk concerts, subscribe to our podcast: http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510292/tiny-desk-concerts-video

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272 comments
1
Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:01:48pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:04:01pm

How does a single sovereign state enact sweeping change in international law?

(yes, rhetorical)

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:04:32pm

Well, Cruz is leading in three of the states. Winning KS, while ME and KY is too early to tell.

Cruz will crow about this to no end.

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Danack  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:04:34pm
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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:06:45pm

re: #3 freetoken

Well, Cruz is leading in three of the states. Winning KS, while ME and KY is too early to tell.

Cruz will crow about this to no end.

He freaks me out more than Trump.

We know exactly how much of our cash he’s willing to burn for his social conservatism.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:07:15pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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So Trump feels that America’s future lies in becoming an international pariah, just deciding which laws apply to us and which apply to everybody else. You know, like the very people we’re fighting against, although we’re supposed to be the “good guys.”

Too many morons who binge watch 24 and think that’s a realistic view of how the world works.

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blueraven  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:09:29pm

re: #5 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

He freaks me out more than Trump.

We know exactly how much of our cash he’s willing to burn for his social conservatism.

And how many he is willing to let die with no access to healthcare, in the name of JESUS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:10:47pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:10:49pm

Cruz wins Bourbon (heh) county KY… by 4 votes.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:11:39pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

So Trump feels that America’s future lies in becoming an international pariah, just deciding which laws apply to us and which apply to everybody else. You know, like the very people we’re fighting against, although we’re supposed to be the “good guys.”

Too many morons who binge watch 24 and think that’s a realistic view of how the world works.

And the various senior officers (active and retired) who have come out and said that ‘waterboarding is illegal, and no troop should follow an illegal order’ are just losers that hate America.

RBS

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:11:40pm

re: #9 freetoken

Cruz wins Bourbon (heh) county KY… by 4 votes.

Where it is not legal to buy Bourbon in the county.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:12:04pm

So now it’s come to this.

This would be a HUUUUUGE cable tv event. It’s right up the alley of quality hosts like Wolf Blitzer of CNN, Morning Joke and the Meat Puppet of MSNBC, or Geraldo Rivera of Fox.

If Trump is half the man he claims to be, he can’t let this opportunity go to waste since his followers seem to be losing faith in him.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:12:26pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Kasich also beat Rubio in Bourbon.

And Rubio only got 17% or so in KS.

Is this the end of the boy wonder?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:13:13pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:14:03pm

re: #10 Reality Based Steve

And the various senior officers (active and retired) who have come out and said that ‘waterboarding is illegal, and no troop should follow an illegal order’ are just losers that hate America.

RBS

And that’s not counting the ones who’ve said that it’s torture, that torture does not generate useful information, and there are methods of extracting information that are more effective and don’t require torture.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:14:32pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to know who won Harlan County.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:15:03pm
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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:15:13pm

Kasich just jumped over 10% of the vote in Kansas, as the rest of the 3rd District came in almost all at once. That gives him three delegates (mostly at Cruz’ expense) and will probably deprive Cruz of a majority of the vote, although he should still get a majority of delegates.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:15:22pm

Poor Little Marco.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:15:40pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

So now it’s come to this.

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This would be a HUUUUUGE cable tv event. It’s right up the alley qualityhosts like Wolf Blitzer of CNN, Morning Joke and the Meat Puppet of MSNBC, or Geraldo Rivera of Fox.

If Trump is half the man he claims to be, he can’t let this opportunity go to waste since his followers seem to be losing faith in him.

Yea, I remember when Geraldo cracked upon Al Capone’s vault, pried open the portal and gazed inside at….. nothing. Probably the same thing here.

RBS
Personally I’m hoping for something like Raiders of the Lost Ark when Trump un-zips.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:15:59pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

I want to know who won Harlan County.

My guess is Trump.

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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:16:28pm

re: #20 Reality Based Steve

Yea, I remember when Geraldo cracked upon Al Capone’s vault, pried open the portal and gazed inside at….. nothing. Probably the same thing here.

RBS
Personally I’m hoping for something like Raiders of the Lost Ark when Trump un-zips.

RBS

Probably more like the opening of Al Capone’s vault. I’ll take a break for now; see you close to 8:00 when our polls close.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:16:44pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:18:23pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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Humm… who could that be??? Possibly a ginger devenger

RBS

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:18:31pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:19:51pm

Bernie sounding a bit Trumpish with his talk of pharmaceutical companies buying influence… and now Bernie is trashing Hillary for her talks to the drug companies and not releasing the speeches…

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:19:55pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

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I’m waiting for one of them to go “use your words Donald, use your words”. (But that may have already happened, and it wouldn’t have surprised me at all)

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:20:59pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:21:20pm

It’s probably telling about the state of the race that the 538 liveblog hasn’t actually had a single post about the Democratic side yet.

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nines09  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:21:51pm

Maybe Fix, Fox networks Inc, LLC, All Rights Reserved, some assembly required, batteries not included, could throw together a remake of the famous “The Secret(s) Of Al Capone’s Vault.” It can start with the legend of what is in Trumps pants. We know his mouth is big. Ego, huge. Then move on to what went into his wife Melanoma, and the runner up, Iranka. Does either limp? Then we can all behold the marvelous magnificence of Geraldo pulling down Donalds zipper on live national TV to find…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:22:59pm

Near my county:

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:23:34pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

I want to know who won Harlan County.

Raylan Givens.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:25:01pm

Cruz one another Ky county, but only by 11 votes.

KY will be interesting in that it is painting this race clearly as a 2 person race. Rubio is finishing a distant 3rd in most cases.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:25:51pm

re: #33 freetoken

Couldn’t happen to a nicer empty suit. I think his entire political career is probably over after this.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:26:16pm

re: #34 Testy Toad T

Couldn’t happen to a nicer empty suit. I think his entire political career is probably over after this.

It’ll be over when he loses FL.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:26:32pm

re: #34 Testy Toad T

Couldn’t happen to a nicer empty suit. I think his entire political career is probably over after this.

He’s still got a future as a child model.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:27:45pm
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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:27:50pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

He’s still got a future as a child model.

shouldn’t that be “childish model”?

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:28:08pm

re: #35 freetoken

It’ll be over when he loses FL.

Didn’t he choose not to run for reelection?

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:29:20pm

re: #39 Belafon

Didn’t he choose not to run for reelection?

I think he forgot he was a Senator and missed the file date.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:29:36pm

re: #39 Belafon

Didn’t he choose not to run for reelection?

Yepper.

RBS

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:29:41pm

re: #39 Belafon

Didn’t he choose not to run for reelection?

I believe so. Unlike Rand, who rigged KY so he run in both elections.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:31:04pm

re: #39 Belafon

Didn’t he choose not to run for reelection?

That’ll change. Bet on it.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:31:26pm

re: #42 freetoken

I believe so. Unlike Rand, who rigged KY so he run in both elections.

Yep. Rand will appear on the Senate primary ballot May 17th. Forgot the two other yahoos running against him on the Republican side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:31:43pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:32:56pm
Golden Labrador retriever appeared to drive the semi across a road, witnesses said

sanluisobispo.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:33:18pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

That dog is in huge trouble.

Edit: Bad Doggie!

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:34:22pm

Cruz wins in another KY county… by 4 votes.

But Trump’s big wins in some counties easily overrun the small victories by Ted.

But in some of these counties, Rubio is 4th… which ought to be a sign.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:34:32pm

re: #47 Ziggy_TARDIS

That dog is in huge trouble.

His insurance is going to skyrocket, that’s for sure.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:36:00pm

(working on my Trumpoetry)

Coal is filthy, last-century gritty crap. They bet that a yuuuuuuuuge, great, golden winner like Trump will pour time and energy into it. Sad!

These people really are in a sad situation, though. I don’t blame them, they’ve been dealt a pretty shitty hand (on which they unfortunately might have had to double down).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:36:32pm

none of the large population counties yet.

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blueraven  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:36:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:37:09pm
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:37:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:37:23pm

re: #43 MsJ

That’ll change. Bet on it.

FL primary is on the 15th, Lil’ Marco can’t be listed twice. Pretty sure he doesn’t have the cash on hand to get enough signatures to get on ballot in Nov. to run as an Independent

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:39:34pm

CBS News talking up CPAC… as “the place to go” if you an up and coming somebody.

No talk of the real nature of CPAC and their cretins…

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:41:08pm

I wish these talking heads would stop using “conservative” as the euphemism for the creepiest of throwbacks.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:42:40pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart

FL primary is on the 15th, Lil’ Marco can’t be listed twice. Pretty sure he doesn’t have the cash on hand to get enough signatures to get on ballot in Nov. to run as an Independent

Dumb-couldn’t even pull a Rand Paul?

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:42:45pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart

FL primary is on the 15th, Lil’ Marco can’t be listed twice. Pretty sure he doesn’t have the cash on hand to get enough signatures to get on ballot in Nov. to run as an Independent

Murkowski ran a successful write-in campaign. So, who knows.

He’s a tad young for lobbying. But, never know there, either.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:44:01pm

re: #32 MsJ

Raylan Givens.

Boyd Crowder, you mean.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:44:24pm

re: #58 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Dumb-couldn’t even pull a Rand Paul?

He wanted to be seen as a serious candidate who was so sure of himself that alone would make everyone vote for him.

Might have worked but for Trump.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:45:30pm

re: #60 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Boyd Crowder, you mean.

Well, who was able to walk away free? Unless you’re talking Charlie Sheen kind of #winning. :-)

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:46:17pm

re: #62 MsJ

Speaking of Sheen, I guess we finally found out what tiger blood is.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:46:37pm

re: #43 MsJ

That’ll change. Bet on it.

If he was going to bail and try to keep his seat, he would have had to start considering it around the time that Aqua Buddha jumped ship. It’s too late in the game for him to try for his seat, and doing so now would be a gift to the DNC, who’d turn every single time he was quoted as not caring too much for the job against him.

Same with state government, how do you go back there after you bailed on your Senate seat, only to come 4th after Trump, Cruz, and Kasich? No, this may very well be the end of politics for Marco Rubio.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:47:06pm

CBS News talking head really pounding on Trump… no MBF there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:47:52pm

heh

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:50:04pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

If he was going to bail and try to keep his seat, he would have had to start considering it around the time that Aqua Buddha jumped ship. It’s too late in the game for him to try for his seat, and doing so now would be a gift to the DNC, who’d turn every single time he was quoted as not caring too much for the job against him.

Same with state government, how do you go back there after you bailed on your Senate seat, only to come 4th after Trump, Cruz, and Kasich? No, this may very well be the end of politics for Marco Rubio.

Little Caesar…. Is This The End Of Rico?

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:50:08pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:53:27pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

I want to know who won Harlan County.

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jc717  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:54:58pm

re: #16 Timothy Watson

I want to know who won Harlan County.

Boyd Crowder in a landslide. He received more votes than registered voters in the county.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:56:45pm

Cruz winning Maine is a shocker. How many percent are we at for KY?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:57:06pm

re: #9 freetoken

Cruz wins Bourbon (heh) county KY… by 4 votes.

He’ll always have Paris.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:57:45pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Cruz winning Maine is a shocker. How many percent are we at for KY?

CNN shows 10%, Trump leading by 6%

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451_Montag  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:58:07pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Short for senile

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:58:31pm

re: #73 FormerDirtDart

CNN shows 10%, Trump leading by 6%

Thanks. A lot can change this early. IT’s going to be either him or Cruz.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 4:59:01pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Trying to give him credibility I guess. There’s no reason why that mistake should have been made.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:00:15pm

re: #74 451_Montag

Short for senile

you know what other word sounds like “senile” (yea, I’m channeling my inner 6 y/o)

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:00:46pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Cruz winning Maine is a shocker. How many percent are we at for KY?

But lots coming in now, so changing often.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:00:48pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Trying to give him credibility I guess. There’s no reason why that mistake should have been made.

Yeah, lead is less than 1300 votes. Counties with big cities haven’t started reporting

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:00:51pm

I think this is a two man race now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:02:46pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, lead is less than 1300 votes. Counties with big cities haven’t started reporting

Sounds a lot like how my state is. I’ve witnessed many an election night here in Va where a candidate is leading early on but fades once the populated areas start pouring in.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:02:51pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I think all four should stay in, and spend spend spend.

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b.d.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:03:07pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I think this is a two man race now.

[elite] It’s between Marco and Mitt [/elite]

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:03:32pm

re: #82 jaunte

I think all four should stay in, and spend spend spend.

I think we’ll get that. The establishment wants Rubio in and Kasich wants to force a deadlock before the convention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:03:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:04:05pm

re: #83 b.d.

[elite] It’s between Marco and Mitt [/elite]

Haha you almost want to feel sorry for Marco until you remember what a prick he is and then you’re like nah fuck that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:04:40pm

When does LA close anyhow? 9 EST?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:05:52pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:06:01pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

yup

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:06:37pm

re: #89 freetoken

yup

Don’t know why I thought it was 8. LA is one of those states that is in both EST and CST though I believe.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:06:50pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Rubio finished 4th in said Lewis county.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:06pm

So, I just had a kind of crazy realization. Considering the conventional wisdom on military political alignment, it’s kind of crazy that two of the widest presidential candidate fields in modern history feature zero ex-generals/admirals. And I think I can strengthen that statement: based on casual wiki’ing, I don’t think a single GOP candidate in 2012 or 2016 ever served at all.

That’s wild! What happened to the Wesley Clarks and Colin Powells and shit? Are they used to thinking of government as something that actually has to achieve something, and so they’re turned off to the GOP?

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:27pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:33pm

BOOM…
Trump now up 3000 votes and almost 11%

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:33pm

“Trump is owning Appalachia” is the least shocking political statement possible in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:07:44pm

re: #91 freetoken

And Rubio finished 4th in said Lewis county.

Rubio is the rich Republican’s candidate. Ironic given he probably has the most humble background of any of the four running.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:09:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:09:49pm

Keep in mind that all these Trump counties also voted for Bevin, because they thought a businessman would do a better job than a politician…

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:10:30pm

re: #96 Testy Toad T

“Trump is owning Appalachia” is the least shocking political statement possible in 2016.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:10:33pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Tokenism will only get someone so far.

Yes, Rubio was born and grew up as one of us, the masses.

But he became the fair brown haired boy of the power elite and that was too obvious.

Rubio is guilty of not playing the con game well enough.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:10:42pm

re: #92 Testy Toad T

So, I just had a kind of crazy realization. Considering the conventional wisdom on military political alignment, it’s kind of crazy that two of the widest presidential candidate fields in modern history feature zero ex-generals/admirals. And I think I can strengthen that statement: based on casual wiki’ing, I don’t think a single GOP candidate in 2012 or 2016 ever served at all.

That’s wild! What happened to the Wesley Clarks and Colin Powells and shit? Are they used to thinking of government as something that actually has to achieve something, and so they’re turned off to the GOP?

Graham. Graham was in JAG. But you’re right. Fewer and fewer Republicans with military service running for President and I expect that number to get fewer. Part of it that as we get away from the Vietnam generation as we did with WWII/Korea, the volunteer military means fewer. It’s quite remarkable though. Every president from Truman to H.W Bush had some kind of military experience.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:10:47pm

Latest count:

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:10:50pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Rubio is the rich Republican’s candidate. Ironic given he probably has the most humble background of any of the four running.

He’ll do what they ask him to do.

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TedStriker  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:11:26pm

re: #20 Reality Based Steve

Yea, I remember when Geraldo cracked upon Al Capone’s vault, pried open the portal and gazed inside at….. nothing. Probably the same thing here.

RBS
Personally I’m hoping for something like Raiders of the Lost Ark when Trump un-zips.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:11:31pm

re: #101 freetoken

Tokenism will only get someone so far.

Yes, Rubio was born and grew up as one of us, the masses.

But he became the fair brown haired boy of the power elite and that was too obvious.

Rubio is guilty of not playing the con game well enough.

Oh I know. He’s very much the tool of the elite.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:11:43pm

re: #104 Barefoot Grin

He’ll do what they ask him to do.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:12:10pm

re: #105 TedStriker

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Wouldn’t mind the Donovan treatment. He chose poorly.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:12:25pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Graham. Graham was in JAG. But you’re right. Fewer and fewer Republicans with military service running for President and I expect that number to get fewer. Part of it that as we get away from the Vietnam generation as we did with WWII/Korea, the volunteer military means fewer. It’s quite remarkable though. Every president from Truman to H.W Bush had some kind of military experience.

That would be an interesting theses in some government studies program: The effect of ending the draft on military experience for presidents.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:12:43pm

OK, what is the deal with the Democratic Kansas Caucus? Republicans have 100% reporting in, and still nothing from the Dems.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:14:00pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Keep in mind that all these Trump counties also voted for Bevin, because they thought a businessman would do a better job than a politician…

And what else do these counties have in common.

Helped most by Obamacare/Kynect. But must vote against own interests because Obama

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:14:19pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Not surprising, considering how big a crisis WWII was.

Considering the back to back issues of the Great Depression and WWII, I am glad that FDR served during the entire time.

I do want to note, some of FDR’s opponents during those elections went a little weird politically during and after the war.

FDR himself was Assistant Secretary of the Navy in the Wilson Administration.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:14:27pm

re: #109 Belafon

That would be an interesting theses in some government studies program: The effect of ending the draft on military experience for presidents.

It’s quite interesting since I don’t think any of the previous presidents with military service were drafted. And really they were all officers too. I can’t think of a President who was an NCO. We did have a brief period though after the Civil War generation of presidents died out after McKinley though. No president from Wilson through FDR had military experience.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:14:52pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:15:11pm

re: #109 Belafon

That would be an interesting theses in some government studies program: The effect of ending the draft on military experience for presidents.

It’s not that I’m surprised that we’ve had a string of service-free presidents. It’s that, even as the GOP becomes more and more a party of naked strength, fewer and fewer career-military administrators and leaders appear to have any interest in running for its nomination.

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compound_Idaho  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:16:15pm

re: #26 freetoken

Bernie sounding a bit Trumpish with his talk of pharmaceutical companies buying influence… and now Bernie is trashing Hillary for her talks to the drug companies and not releasing the speeches…

There is little doubt the Clintons have become wealthy selling access and influence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:16:26pm

re: #112 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not surprising, considering how big a crisis WWII was.

Considering the back to back issues of the Great Depression and WWII, I am glad that FDR served during the entire time.

I do want to note, some of FDR’s opponents during those elections went a little weird politically during and after the war.

FDR himself was Assistant Secretary of the Navy in the Wilson Administration.

Oh yeah the war was a big test. I can’t think of a presidential candidate of that generation (born 1911-1926 who did not serve in WWII). I don’t know about FDR’s opponents though. Wilkie to his credit was supportive of the war effort. I think Landon, Hoover, and Dewey too.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:17:45pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

It’s quite interesting since I don’t think any of the previous presidents with military service were drafted. And really they were all officers too. I can’t think of a President who was an NCO. We did have a brief period though after the Civil War generation of presidents died out after McKinley though. No president from Wilson through FDR had military experience.

College degree largely implies commissioned officer in the modern era, so it’s not stunning. Who was our last president without a college degree?

(LOLWALKER)

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:17:56pm

re: #110 FormerDirtDart

OK, what is the deal with the Democratic Kansas Caucus? Republicans have 100% reporting in, and still nothing from the Dems.

Republicans had precincts in every county, and more voting spots.

Democrats have their caucusing locations divided up by the state Senate districts, and there are few of them. I also think they are open later.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:18:00pm

Jefferson & Fayette counties will likely decide the Kentucky race

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bratwurst  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:18:16pm

re: #116 compound_Idaho

There is little doubt the Clintons have become wealthy selling access and influence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:18:33pm

re: #115 Testy Toad T

It’s not that I’m surprised that we’ve had a string of service-free presidents. It’s that, even as the GOP becomes more and more a party of naked strength, fewer and fewer career-military administrators and leaders appear to have any interest in running for its nomination.

I do think there is something to said about that. The GOP has been hawkish as a national party since arguably since 1952 but I’d argue that while past GOP standard bearers such as Dole and H.W Bush were hawks, they weren’t insane about the user of military force either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:18:47pm

re: #111 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:19:14pm

re: #118 Testy Toad T

College degree largely implies commissioned officer in the modern era, so it’s not stunning. Who was our last president without a college degree?

(LOLWALKER)

Right that makes sense. To answer your question though, that would be Truman who was an officer but he was also a much older man too when he went in.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:19:38pm

HA. From the facebooks:

I like how a year ago if you’d told a Republican “I’m from the future and 2016 will result in a brokered convention,” they would have broken into a cold sweat; contrast with today where there’s a good chance they’d just numbly nod and mumble “yeah that might be for the best.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:20:39pm

I was reading a book called The Admirals (about William Leahy, Ernest King, Chester Nimitz and Bill Halsey) Leahy was extremely conservative but had FDR’s total confidence as his primary military advisor. The good old days when conservative people didn’t see liberals a their enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:21:05pm

I remember when General Petraeus was at the peak of his popularity, there was some hope that he would become another Ike for them. That’s not going to happen though.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:21:45pm

re: #126 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

The good old days when conservative people didn’t see liberals a their enemy.

The good old days when conservative people were folks who had a hugely different read on the fact-based world they inhabited, rather than… this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:22:11pm

urban county

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:22:22pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

I kind of agree with that but you run a real risk (of something) by thinking you know somebody’s personal interests better than they do.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:22:23pm

re: #118 Testy Toad T

College degree largely implies commissioned officer in the modern era, so it’s not stunning. Who was our last president without a college degree?

(LOLWALKER)

Truman

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:22:42pm

re: #126 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I was reading a book called The Admirals (about William Leahy, Ernest King, Chester Nimitz and Bill Halsey) Leahy was extremely conservative but had FDR’s total confidence as his primary military advisor. The good old days when conservative people didn’t see liberals a their enemy.

The head of the OSS, William Donovan was another conservative. Frank Knox, the Republican VP nominee in 1936 was Naval Secretary too. Did not know that about Leahy. George Marshall is often linked to FDR and Truman but he himself was admittingly apolitical. He just served what he thought was the country’s best interest.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:23:10pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Willkie, towards the end of his life, started promoting internationalist causes. Dewey did so to a lesser degree, and broke from the Republicans when the Goldwater’s type took over. Landon, same.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:23:33pm

Damn, for a second I thought that was “Doge

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:23:33pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

urban county

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So it’s safe to say but the Bluegrass State does not like Marco.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:23:45pm

re: #118 Testy Toad T

Truman, I think.

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TedStriker  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:24:03pm

re: #118 Testy Toad T

College degree largely implies commissioned officer in the modern era, so it’s not stunning. Who was our last president without a college degree?

(LOLWALKER)

That would be Truman, who attended business college and law school but didn’t graduate:

Most Presidents of the United States received a college education, even most of the earliest. Of the first seven Presidents, five were college graduates. College degrees have set the Presidents apart from the general population, and Presidents have held such a degree even when this was quite rare and, indeed, unnecessary for practicing most occupations, including law. Of the forty-three individuals to have been the President, twenty-four of them graduated from a private undergraduate college, nine graduated from a public undergraduate college, and eleven held no degree. Every President since 1953 has had a bachelor’s degree, this is in part because of the increasing importance of higher education in the United States.

en.wikipedia.org

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:24:21pm

re: #134 FormerDirtDart

He needed her to open the damn door.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:24:33pm

re: #13 freetoken

And Kasich also beat Rubio in Bourbon.

And Rubio only got 17% or so in KS.

Is this the end of the boy wonder?

Not until he is humiliated by a massive loss in his home state of Florida on March 15.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:24:56pm

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

Willkie, towards the end of his life, started promoting internationalist causes. Dewey did so to a lesser degree, and broke from the Republicans when the Goldwater’s type took over. Landon, same.

Oh you meant weird in a good way. Honestly none of FDR’s opponents were particularly bad guys. That said I would have voted for him all four times easily and agree with your assessment that it was for the best that he was President for the war years. He had a great way of dealing with the military and foreign leaders that I think others would not have found so easy.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:05pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

So it’s safe to say but the Bluegrass State does not like Marco.

Yea, his whole “Meth Heads for Marco” idea just didn’t pan out the way he had hoped.

RBS

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:07pm

re: #128 Testy Toad T

The good old days when conservative people were folks who had a hugely different read on the fact-based world they inhabited, rather than… this.

That’s because, not too long ago, both parties contained liberal and conservative groups. Republicans have, by and large, ejected all of the liberal groups. And they move their center to the right, and continue ejecting.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:14pm

CPAC was really boring this year. No raving loons speaking except the presidential candidates - none of the REAL crazies showed up. No Ann Coulter, no Pamela Geller, no white supremacist groups, no John Birch Society, not even Ron Paul. A real yawn of a CPAC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:16pm

lol, “Kim Davis County”

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bratwurst  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:25:54pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol, “Kim Davis County”

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Wouldn’t it be something if that vote was Kim’s herself?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:26:16pm

re: #145 bratwurst

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Okay as someone descended from coal miners, I got a great laugh out of that.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:26:34pm

re: #134 FormerDirtDart

Damn, for a second I thought that was “Doge

wow
very fire
much smoke
so danger
hurry

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:26:44pm

re: #133 Ziggy_TARDIS

Landon wanted us to join the European Economic Community.

That would be a weird Alternate History, considering that the EEC turned into the EU.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:26:48pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

No money? I bet it all comes down to money.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:27:19pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

CPAC was really boring this year. No raving loons speaking except the presidential candidates - none of the REAL crazies showed up. No Ann Coulter, no Pamela Geller, no white supremacist groups, no John Birch Society, not even Ron Paul. A real yawn of a CPAC.

You’re forgetting that the Rage Furby attended. So that’s gotta be worth something.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:27:33pm

re: #142 Belafon

That’s because, not too long ago, both parties contained liberal and conservative groups. Republicans have, by and large, ejected all of the liberal groups. And they move their center to the right, and continue ejecting.

I’ve been thinking about that. My own grandfather’s father was a Republican and my grandfather was a Democrat but no doubt his own father shaped him like he shaped my father and thus me.

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compound_Idaho  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:28:00pm

re: #126 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I was reading a book called The Admirals (about William Leahy, Ernest King, Chester Nimitz and Bill Halsey) Leahy was extremely conservative but had FDR’s total confidence as his primary military advisor. The good old days when conservative people didn’t see liberals a their enemy.

… and liberals did not look at conservatives as the enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:28:08pm

re: #149 Ziggy_TARDIS

Landon wanted us to join the European Economic Community.

That would be a weird Alternate History, considering that the EEC turned into the EU.

He lived a long time too. Died the year I was born or year before. Longest lived mainstream party candidate ever I think.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:28:14pm

re: #148 Testy Toad T

wow
very fire
much smoke
so danger
hurry

smoke smell Doge wake
need pee much
hurry get door

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:28:29pm

Rubio is speaking in PR… en Español…

Early this morning I think we all agreed that PR would be a cake walk for Rubio.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:28:48pm

re: #153 compound_Idaho

… and liberals did not look at conservatives as the enemy.

i don’t see conservatives as the enemy. My best friend is conservative. I just don’t like being told that it’s religious liberty to discriminate against gay people.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:29:02pm

re: #156 freetoken

Rubio is speaking in PR… en español…

Early this morning I think we all agreed that PR would be a cake walk for Rubio.

It should be.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:29:22pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

CPAC was really boring this year. No raving loons speaking except the presidential candidates - none of the REAL crazies showed up. No Ann Coulter, no Pamela Geller, no white supremacist groups, no John Birch Society, not even Ron Paul. A real yawn of a CPAC.

No Sarah Palin. How the mighty have fallen. (And still, The Rage Furby didn’t get a speaking gig—when he’s such A FORCE)
/

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:29:44pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Died just 3 years before my Birth.

I wonder how the EEC would have developed if the US would have joined?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:29:49pm

re: #153 compound_Idaho

… and liberals did not look at conservatives as the enemy.

I think it’s more lobsided. Liberals aren’t trying to take away conservatives’ access to health care, voting rights, or civil rights.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:30:00pm

re: #159 BeachDem

No Sarah Palin. How the mighty have fallen. (And still, The Rage Furby didn’t get a speaking gig—when he’s such A FORCE)
/

When his credentials showed his name was Charles Johnson, I wonder if someone thought he was our Charles and confused given our Charles’ exodus from the right wing movement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:30:33pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:30:53pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I’m not so sure.

There is some angst between the Puerto Ricans and the Cubans, at least in Florida.

It may seem silly, but I think Kasich has a chance.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:31:05pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

CPAC was really boring this year. No raving loons speaking except the presidential candidates - none of the REAL crazies showed up. No Ann Coulter, no Pamela Geller, no white supremacist groups, no John Birch Society, not even Ron Paul. A real yawn of a CPAC.

No Sarah Palin. Did they finally get wise?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:31:20pm

re: #160 Ziggy_TARDIS

Died just 3 years before my Birth.

I wonder how the EEC would have developed if the US would have joined?

Then yeah the year I was born. Weird to think that someone who ran for president a half century before my birth was still kicking.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:31:38pm

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

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Massively different from the other Michigan polls.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:32:12pm

re: #164 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m not so sure.

There is some angst between the Puerto Ricans and the Cubans, at least in Florida.

It may seem silly, but I think Kasich has a chance.

If anyone else, it’ll be Kasich but yeah that’s true. I also think Kasich has actually had the most inclusive rhetoric on immigration. I realize that Puerto Ricans are U.S citiizens but they deal with a ton of crap with people who think they are not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:32:41pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:32:54pm

re: #167 Big Beautiful Door

Massively different from the other Michigan polls.

Very much so.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:32:54pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know there’s something that bothers me about a sheriff attending a political action conference.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:33:13pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Then yeah the year I was born. Weird to think that someone who ran for president a half century before my birth was still kicking.

I like the fact that there are two living grandchildren of John Tyler.

Edit: Wrong president.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:33:14pm

Kansas not only bleeds but it Berns.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:33:38pm

Sanders now projected to win the Kansas caucuses.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:34:02pm

re: #172 Belafon

I like the fact that there are two living grandchildren of Zachary Taylor.

John Tyler. But yeah here I am thinking I’m odd for being a near 30 year old with great grandparents born in the 1870’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:34:19pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:34:29pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Not surprising. Very White state.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:34:43pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rubio will get another participation medal.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:35:18pm

That ARG poll in MI was only 400 people polled by phone. The other polls in MI have been with much larger pools.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:35:29pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

John Tyler. But yeah here I am thinking I’m odd for being a near 30 year old with great grandparents born in the 1870’s.

Yep, fixed my comment afterwards.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:35:49pm

re: #180 Belafon

Yep, fixed my comment afterwards.

No sweat but yeah that is something isn’t it?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:36:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:36:34pm

Well congrats to Bernie on Kansas but by what I was hearing Tuesday night, they can’t brag about it because Kansas never goes Democratic. And yes I am kidding and being tongue in cheek.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:36:47pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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Right.

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b.d.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:02pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

CPAC was really boring this year. No raving loons speaking except the presidential candidates - none of the REAL crazies showed up. No Ann Coulter, no Pamela Geller, no white supremacist groups, no John Birch Society, not even Ron Paul. A real yawn of a CPAC.

The conservative, principled highlight of CPAC was supposed to be the en masse walkout on Trump during his speech, that was going to get them in the news for days. Trump catching wind of it and deciding to blow them off first really left them with absolutely nothing.

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Nojay UK  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:05pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Okay as someone descended from coal miners, I got a great laugh out of that.

I’m the son of a coal miner. Our town had a lot of people in coal from long before I was born. The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) built the town’s Welfare Institute, a combination of meeting-hall and educational facility. They hosted political discussions and invited speakers on politics and science, world history and events. The Institute had a film projection booth and showed newsreels from Europe and America, and a small library and reading-room with, among others, English-language copies of Pravda and other left-wing newspapers as well as older copies of Time and Newsweek from the US.

The local NUM paid for scholarships for gifted children to attend private schools and I got a small bursary from them when I went to University in the early 70s, as did some other schoolmates. Education was always a big thing in our locality, in part because the miners didn’t want their kids to have to go down the pit to work as they and their fathers had to.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:21pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

I admit, I now hate Bernie because of how his fans have treated me.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:28pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

They just don’t believe he’s sincerely crazy like Ted Cruz is.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:29pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Sanders now projected to win the Kansas caucuses.

So much for “Bernie’s winning the states that will matter in November!” Kansas hasn’t gone blue since LBJ in ‘64.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:46pm

Sanders may have won Kansas, but this is going to be very hard for him to overcome.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:54pm

CBS talking head talking about the “could of controversy” around the Clintons.

Said talking head is a self avowed “conservative.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:37:58pm

re: #187 Ziggy_TARDIS

I admit, I now hate Bernie because of how his fans have treated me.

I got Bernie supporters and Clinton supporters in my own family. Can’t take it too personally.

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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:38:37pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Sanders may have won Kansas, but this is going to be very hard for him to overcome.

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And whatever we do in Louisiana, where the polls close in about 20 minutes.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:38:52pm

Clinton “covered in controversy…”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:39:05pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

So much for “Bernie’s winning the states that will matter in November!” Kansas hasn’t gone blue since LBJ in ‘64.

Same thing with Oklahoma. Hasn’t gone since LBJ in 64. Some of the Southern states Hillary won at least went for Carter in ‘76 (Man that’s a funky electoral map, look at it since I think Vermont goes for Jerry but Mississippi for Jimmy). and some of the others went for Bill in 1992.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:39:20pm

re: #191 freetoken

CBS talking head talking about the “could of controversy” around the Clintons.

Said talking head is a self avowed “conservative.”

“Cloud of controversy,” which is entirely conservative manufactured.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:39:34pm

“mired in controversy”

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:39:51pm

re: #187 Ziggy_TARDIS

I admit, I now hate Bernie because of how his fans have treated me.

Well that certainly sounds mature.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:40:36pm

re: #186 Nojay UK

I’m the son of a coal miner. Our town had a lot of people in coal from long before I was born. The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) built the town’s Welfare Institute, a combination of meeting-hall and educational facility. They hosted political discussions and invited speakers on politics and science, world history and events. The Institute had a film projection booth and showed newsreels from Europe and America, and a small library and reading-room with, among others, English-language copies of Pravda and other left-wing newspapers as well as older copies of Time and Newsweek from the US.

The local NUM paid for scholarships for gifted children to attend private schools and I got a small bursary from them when I went to University in the early 70s, as did some other schoolmates. Education was always a big thing in our locality, in part because the miners didn’t want their kids to have to go down the pit to work as they and their fathers had to.

My mom’s grandfathers were coal miners in Johnstown, Pa after they emigrated to the US from Slovakia and Slovenia. UMWA members. From what my grandparents have told me, three people had portraits in their homes- Jesus Christ, FDR, and John L. Lewis.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:40:49pm

re: #188 Skip Intro

Oops. That was supposed to go to Charles.

Oh well.

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blueraven  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:40:59pm

re: #191 freetoken

CBS talking head talking about the “could of controversy” around the Clintons.

Said talking head is a self avowed “conservative.”

Where are you getting this and who is this Talking Head?

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:41:00pm

re: #165 Skip Intro

No Sarah Palin. Did they finally get wise?

This done did her in.

Yosemite Sarah Palin

(Sorry, I just love this vid.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:41:39pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I was trying to extract an apology from my Best Friend for how other Bernie supporters treated me, before I dropped it.

The reason I even thought about doing that, with my Republican friend, when I get angry at her for how her party behaves, she immediately apologizes. I have stopped doing that in the past few months, but it created a bad habit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:42:23pm

re: #198 Testy Toad T

Well that certainly sounds mature.

There’s a lot of things to criticize Bernie about but I don’t see him as an enemy. I think he’s just wrong and not the best candidate. As I said I don’t take it personally. I was actually pretty amused to hear that my 71 year old uncle went for Bernie. My dad finally fessed up. Him too. He wasn’t a surprise though. Dad’s an old hippie but my uncle was never really counter-culture back in the day. Very much a liberal of course but damn that’s our entire family on my dad’s side.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:42:57pm

re: #198 Testy Toad T

He’s not doing anything to rein in his nastier fans.

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MsJ  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:43:39pm

re: #187 Ziggy_TARDIS

I admit, I now hate Bernie because of how his fans have treated me.

May not entirely be Bernie fans.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:43:51pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Not to mention, he is really not doing evidence-based politics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:44:21pm

re: #203 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was trying to extract an apology from my Best Friend for how other Bernie supporters treated me, before I dropped it.

The reason I even thought about doing that, with my Republican friend, when I get angry at her for how her party behaves, she immediately apologizes. I have stopped doing that in the past few months, but it created a bad habit.

You have to remember these people are your friends. Friends are going to disagree. The minute we start taking things personally. That’s when we become irrational. Now it’s easy for me to say I admit since so much my own extended family shares my broad liberal ideology but I do have conservative and libertarian friends as well. I figure if they respect me knowing where I stand and have been good friends to me regardless of differences, then I don’t get to hold our differences over them. I can and do hope that they’ll see things differently but hey I feel that way about people who like different music, sports teams, etc than Ido too.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:45:06pm

re: #207 Ziggy_TARDIS

Not to mention, he is really not doing evidence-based politics.

Just saying no need to hate the guy.

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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:45:51pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Same thing with Oklahoma. Hasn’t gone since LBJ in 64. Some of the Southern states Hillary won at least went for Carter in ‘76 (Man that’s a funky electoral map, look at it since I think Vermont goes for Jerry but Mississippi for Jimmy). and some of the others went for Bill in 1992.

Last Democratic win in each of the Confederate states:

2012- Virginia, Florida
2008- North Carolina
1996- Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana
1992- Georgia
1976- Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:46:43pm

re: #210 Brian J.

Last Democratic win in each of the Confederate states:

2012- Virginia, Florida
2008- North Carolina
1996- Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana
1992- Georgia
1976- Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina

Thanks. Good research.

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danarchy  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:47:17pm

re: #203 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was trying to extract an apology from my Best Friend for how other Bernie supporters treated me, before I dropped it.
.

IMO trying to get a friend of yours to apologize for something other people did is stupid and you should probably apologize to them…

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:47:47pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of things to criticize Bernie about but I don’t see him as an enemy. I think he’s just wrong and not the best candidate.

I think he’s a crappy general candidate. I think his views are narrowed by a life and career in a highly non-representative state. I think he doesn’t get or doesn’t care to get a lot of the problems facing this country. I think he doesn’t embrace a lot of imperfect solutions that Obama’s coalition has built. I think he’s naive at best about what he could accomplish, or about how this country would react to continued political deadlock, and any number of other things. I am concerned he’s completely uninterested about foreign policy. I am a little bit offended at how he treats minority voters as though they would support him if only they were a little more educated about his policies. I am a little bit offended at how he thinks he can show up on the Democratic Party’s doorstep one morning and just expect equal treatment as if American political parties are literally anything other than friend-posses constructed to help pals get shit done for each other.

Hate? Do I hate Bernie Sanders? Grow up. That’s a comment I’d downding from pretty much anybody else except I’ve been Overton window’d into just expecting that kind of nonsense from some people.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:48:19pm

re: #170 freetoken

Very much so.

It’ll be interesting to see if that reflects a huge move to Kasich as a result of the debate or if its just an anomaly. It would really boost the #nevertrump movement if Kasich can win Michigan and Ohio.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:48:33pm

re: #213 Testy Toad T

I think he’s a crappy general candidate. I think his views are narrowed by a life and career in a highly non-representative state. I think he doesn’t get or doesn’t care to get a lot of the problems facing this country. I think he doesn’t embrace a lot of imperfect solutions that Obama’s coalition has built. I think he’s naive at best about what he could accomplish, or about how this country would react to continued political deadlock, and any number of other things. I am concerned he’s completely uninterested about foreign policy. I am a little bit offended at how he treats minority voters as though they would support him if only they were a little more educated about his policies. I am a little bit offended at how he thinks he can show up on the Democratic Party’s doorstep one morning and just expect equal treatment as if American political parties are literally anything other than friend-posses constructed to help pals get shit done for each other.

Hate? Do I hate Bernie Sanders? Grow up. That’s a comment I’d downding from pretty much anybody else except I’ve been Overton window’d into just expecting that kind of nonsense from some people.

Nailed it. Thanks man.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:49:02pm

Maine seems to be stuck at 9%, at least on the NYT tracking page.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:49:36pm

re: #216 Reality Based Steve

Maine seems to be stuck at 9%, at least on the NYT tracking page.

RBS

Maybe Pennywise got to the voters.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:49:37pm

Mythbuster finale is on

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:50:30pm

Maine called for Ted Cruz

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:50:52pm

re: #219 The Vicious Babushka

Maine called for Ted Cruz

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Big FU to LaPage.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:51:07pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

The issue is two fold.

1, that I got attacked so often for my politics in the past that I see someone as holding a different viewpoint as a personal attack on me.

2, because of being attacked so often, I see politics as war, which mean the other person is on the “opposing army” so to speak, and must be defeated by all means, even if it means sending someone out of the room crying (which I have done, though not recently).

They are wrong, and I am working through them, but they are also the way I have thought for at least 10 years, so re-rewriting how I should behave in this regard is very difficult. Intellectually, I need to act one way, but I instinctively and reflexively want to act in the other way.

The Republican is the one who wants me to get to DC and work with her. In darker moments, I have told her that I don’t want to work with her, but want to destroy her side. I now recognize this as wrong, but the impulse is still there.

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danarchy  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:51:16pm

re: #216 Reality Based Steve

Maine seems to be stuck at 9%, at least on the NYT tracking page.

RBS

maine just reported final results

cruz won, trump second kasich 3rd rubio fourth under 10% so no delegates for him

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Danack  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:51:36pm

re: #216 Reality Based Steve

Maine seems to be stuck at 9%, at least on the NYT tracking page.

RBS

Apparently “The Maine Republican Party only reports statewide results. There is no breakdown by township.” which might be why results aren’t coming out smoothly.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:53:26pm

re: #186 Nojay UK

I’m the son of a coal miner. Our town had a lot of people in coal from long before I was born. The National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) built the town’s Welfare Institute, a combination of meeting-hall and educational facility. They hosted political discussions and invited speakers on politics and science, world history and events. The Institute had a film projection booth and showed newsreels from Europe and America, and a small library and reading-room with, among others, English-language copies of Pravda and other left-wing newspapers as well as older copies of Time and Newsweek from the US.

The local NUM paid for scholarships for gifted children to attend private schools and I got a small bursary from them when I went to University in the early 70s, as did some other schoolmates. Education was always a big thing in our locality, in part because the miners didn’t want their kids to have to go down the pit to work as they and their fathers had to.

In 1987 I was invited to apply for a scholarship (Rhodes or some other, I can’t remember) at my college. I had written an honors thesis about my time in Japan, and Sheffield had an institute of East Asian studies, so I said that I would like to go there. The panel looked at me and said, “do you know what Sheffield is like?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:53:30pm

re: #221 Ziggy_TARDIS

The issue is two fold.

1, that I got attacked so often for my politics in the past that I see someone as holding a different viewpoint as a personal attack on me.

2, because of being attacked so often, I see politics as war, which mean the other person is on the “opposing army” so to speak, and must be defeated by all means, even if it means sending someone out of the room crying (which I have done, though not recently).

They are wrong, and I am working through them, but they are also the way I have thought for at least 10 years, so re-rewriting how I should behave in this regard is very difficult. Intellectually, I need to act one way, but I instinctively and reflexively want to act in the other way.

The Republican is the one who wants me to get to DC and work with her. In darker moments, I have told her that I don’t want to work with her, but want to destroy her side. I now recognize this as wrong, but the impulse is still there.

Just try to work on it. Believe me, I’ve lived and work near D.C my entire life. You’re going to meet people you disagree with. It’s just how life goes. Look at this way, these friends have been your friends before? They know where you stand. They’re not attacking you. Return the favor is what I’m saying here. If someone treats you like shit because of your political views, then they’re not worth it but if someone who you have disagreements with still is cool to you, no need to declare war on them. And finally war is war. These are ideas. War is something a lot more horrifying than this.

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:53:30pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:54:25pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Maybe Pennywise got to the voters.

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blueraven  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:54:48pm

re: #223 Danack

Apparently “The Maine Republican Party only reports statewide results. There is no breakdown by township.” which might be why results aren’t coming out smoothly.

They just announced county by county. I think Cruz won them all. But he got 12 delegates to Trump’s 9. Kasich, 2. Little Marco cried wee wee wee all the way home

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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:55:04pm

Apparently Cruz won 12 delegates in Maine, Trump nine, Kasich two, and Rubio tried really hard.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:55:31pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

Also this.
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Video

While I do appreciate that Goldwater later did become pro-choice and pro gay rights, I don’t like a lot of the revisionism done about him.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:55:40pm

It’s frankly kind of terrifying to me to see somebody say they hate someone they’ve never met, especially when they do it on a regular basis.

That’s a word that means something, or it ought to. I would dissociate myself from somebody who regularly felt they had any agency to feel that strongly about a third party.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:55:55pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Yes, they have known me for a long time. About 5 years.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:55:59pm

re: #230 Brian J.

Apparently Cruz won 12 delegates in Maine, Trump nine, Kasich two, and Rubio tried really hard.

Rubio got a complimentary lobster roll for trying.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:56:15pm

re: #233 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yes, they have known me for a long time. About 5 years.

Then there ya have it man.

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b.d.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:56:39pm

re: #230 Brian J.

Apparently Cruz won 12 delegates in Maine, Trump nine, Kasich two, and Rubio tried really hard.

Rubio doesn’t even get his tradtional bronze medal in Maine?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:56:56pm

re: #229 blueraven

They just announced county by county. I think Cruz won them all. But he got 12 delegates to Trump’s 9. Kasich, 2. Little Marco cried wee wee wee all the way home

So, with Kansas and Maine, Cruz has closed the gap with Trump by 18 delegates

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:57:44pm

re: #222 danarchy

maine just reported final results

cruz won, trump second kasich 3rd rubio fourth under 10% so no delegates for him

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:58:44pm

The establishment-backed anti-Trump consensus candidate shapes up to be…. Ted motherfucking Cruz.

I think I’m going to open up a liquor store in DC.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:58:49pm

re: #236 b.d.

Rubio doesn’t even get his tradtional bronze medal in Maine?

This is a very bad night for lil’ Marco. Even if he wins Puerto Rico.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:59:28pm

re: #239 Testy Toad T

The establishment-backed anti-Trump consensus candidate shapes up to be…. Ted motherfucking Cruz.

I think I’m going to open up a liquor store in DC.

I recommend Central Liquors. Good liquor store.
Oh, you said open up!

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b.d.  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:59:33pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Rubio got a complimentary lobster roll for trying.

Rubio really will have to drop out when he loses Florida.

Sure is a nice thing to see all of the GOP big money be able to drop a fortune on two different losers in one cycle.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 5:59:40pm

Anyone know when the Louisiana polls close?
I am curious to see how Trump does in a closed primary

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Brian J.  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:00:00pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

Anyone know when the Louisiana polls close?
I am curious to see how Trump does in a closed primary

Momentarily.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:00:32pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

9 pm EST, I think?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:00:39pm

re: #242 b.d.

Rubio really will have to drop out when he loses Florida.

Sure is a nice thing to see all of the GOP big money be able to drop a fortune on two different losers in one cycle.

I think it was a big mistake to make the establishment guy a freshman senator who doesn’t take his job seriously. I can’t wait to read what’s been happening inside the Rubio campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:00:55pm

And now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:01:11pm

With his disappointing loss in his home state of Maine, Pennywise is suspending his campaign, and conceding to Cruz and Trump, the more evil clowns. He’s packing off lil’ Marco to his lair for an evening snack.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:01:41pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I think it was a big mistake to make the establishment guy a freshman senator who doesn’t take his job seriously. I can’t wait to read what’s been happening inside the Rubio campaign.

I’m not sure the establishment had any real choice. The problem is all of the candidates suck pickled ass, not that they picked the wrong great white hope.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:01:51pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

With his disappointing loss in his home state of Maine, Pennywise is suspending his campaign, and conceding to Cruz and Trump, the more evil clowns. He’s packing off lil’ Marco to his lair for an evening snack.

He’s going to take on the form of Charlie Crist isn’t he?

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:02:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:02:45pm

re: #249 Testy Toad T

I’m not sure the establishment had any real choice. The problem is all of the candidates suck pickled ass, not that they picked the wrong great white hope.

Yeah that’s a good point as well. For all their bragging about their large bench they have a lot of sucky candidates. A bench is nothing if your hitters all suck.

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b.d.  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:02:50pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I think it was a big mistake to make the establishment guy a freshman senator who doesn’t take his job seriously. I can’t wait to read what’s been happening inside the Rubio campaign.

Little Marco has big dreams of cashing in once his term is over and he enters the private sector but he might be surprised how many doors that were promised to be open to him are now shut.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:03:09pm

re: #251 FormerDirtDart

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Not good for Bernie. Surprised to see that since KS was called so early for Bernie.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:03:10pm

re: #221 Ziggy_TARDIS

The issue is two fold.

1, that I got attacked so often for my politics in the past that I see someone as holding a different viewpoint as a personal attack on me.

2, because of being attacked so often, I see politics as war, which mean the other person is on the “opposing army” so to speak, and must be defeated by all means, even if it means sending someone out of the room crying (which I have done, though not recently).

They are wrong, and I am working through them, but they are also the way I have thought for at least 10 years, so re-rewriting how I should behave in this regard is very difficult. Intellectually, I need to act one way, but I instinctively and reflexively want to act in the other way.

The Republican is the one who wants me to get to DC and work with her. In darker moments, I have told her that I don’t want to work with her, but want to destroy her side. I now recognize this as wrong, but the impulse is still there.

I know you have issues to work through, but if you’re truly being attacked because of politics, it could be in the way you present your politics.

I’m extremely involved in politics, and can be pretty outspoken, but I don’t believe I’ve ever been attacked for my politics.

Do you just talk about politics, or do you participate? Maybe, if you have such strong political views, you should get involved with the Democratic party where you live? It would give you the opportunity to voice your opinions while surrounded by like-thinking people, and it might also present some opportunities to meet some folks with whom you have things in common.

Just a thought…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:04:10pm

re: #253 b.d.

Little Marco has big dreams of cashing in once his term is over and he enters the private sector but he might be surprised how many doors that were promised to be open to him are now shut.

Wonder what he’ll do. I don’t see him going the Huckabee route since Huckabee has that “folksy likability” that conservatives like. Rubio’s really not a likable guy.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:04:30pm

Almost three months ago…

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nines09  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:05:06pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Keep in mind that all these Trump counties also voted for Bevin, because they thought a businessman would do a better job than a politician…

Because they bought the sizzle……not the steak.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:05:45pm

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

Almost three months ago…

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That was before their tragic divorce though. This looks like it could very well be the case though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:05:49pm

another coal county

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:06:42pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

another coal county

[Embedded content]

Pike County. I know that name I think from some of my research on Appalachia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:07:26pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

another coal county

[Embedded content]

Far southeastern Kentucky.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:11:04pm

re: #255 BeachDem

I am planning on doing that here shortly.

It’s both.

Earlier on, I was the one getting blasted for being Liberal, over time, I started hitting back, and the Norway Attack caused me to start going rampant, and start attacking other’s politics in order to hurt them.

When the Republican Friend came out to me as Republican, the first question I asked her was whether she wanted to kill me because I was Muslim, and later that week if she approved the killing of the kids in Norway. We did eventually come to an understanding, at shortly there after realized I had gone full circle. I had been bashed for politics, now I was doing the exact thing back. Call it a “Come to Allah” moment.

The Norway attack screwed with my head a lot. Probably because I saw the footage live, including the dead kids on the beach, and seeing the pictures of the funerals (The one that still stands out to me was the funeral of Kurdish Muslim Girl.), and knowing I lost a relative in the attack.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:11:48pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Not good for Bernie. Surprised to see that since KS was called so early for Bernie.

Bernie won Nebraska.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:12:43pm

re: #264 Big Beautiful Door

Bernie won Nebraska.

I know, I just saw that. My bad.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:14:38pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Yeah, with only a tiny number of participants.

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BeachDem  Mar 5, 2016 • 6:27:10pm

re: #263 Ziggy_TARDIS

This was the line in your response that really stood out to me:

When the Republican Friend came out to me as Republican, the first question I asked her was whether she wanted to kill me because I was Muslim, and later that week if she approved the killing of the kids in Norway.

If a friend of mine posed a question like that to me, I would be extremely put off and insulted. How could you even suggest that a FRIEND would want to kill you?

You really need to step back and not look at everything that happens in the entire world as being directly related to you. I know it’s hard not to personalize things, but there are many, many things that happen that have nothing to do with you personally, so expecting friends to take ownership of events that have nothing to do you with you or them is just an extreme overreaction.

Again, I suggest if you have such strong political feelings, do something about them—get involved. Phone bank, join some political clubs, work for a candidate. It’s a great way to vent, and it might actually do some good, rather than just letting yourself build up such hatred.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 5, 2016 • 8:13:27pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Wonder what he’ll do. I don’t see him going the Huckabee route since Huckabee has that “folksy likability” that conservatives like. Rubio’s really not a likable guy.

He can sell cars for Norman Braman.

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2016 • 11:25:48pm

re: #153 compound_Idaho

… and liberals did not look at conservatives as the enemy.

US conservatives have declared this war and started firing first.

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urbanmeemaw  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:44am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

urban county

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Or as I refer to Campbell County - “White World”.

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urbanmeemaw  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:51:02am

re: #213 Testy Toad T

You’ve expressed my sentiments perfectly. Except I’m more vehement about them.

I think he’s a crappy general candidate. I think his views are narrowed by a life and career in a highly non-representative state. I think he doesn’t get or doesn’t care to get a lot of the problems facing this country. I think he doesn’t embrace a lot of imperfect solutions that Obama’s coalition has built. I think he’s naive at best about what he could accomplish, or about how this country would react to continued political deadlock, and any number of other things. I am concerned he’s completely uninterested about foreign policy. I am a little bit offended at how he treats minority voters as though they would support him if only they were a little more educated about his policies. I am a little bit offended at how he thinks he can show up on the Democratic Party’s doorstep one morning and just expect equal treatment as if American political parties are literally anything other than friend-posses constructed to help pals get shit done for each other.

Hate? Do I hate Bernie Sanders? Grow up. That’s a comment I’d downding from pretty much anybody else except I’ve been Overton window’d into just expecting that kind of nonsense from some people.

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wrenchwench  Mar 6, 2016 • 1:58:29pm

It is long past time to replace these old guys as my favorite Colombian band:

BOQUITA DE CARAMELO CON LOS HISPANOS


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