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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:01:53pm

arrggg! Reposting from downstairs:

everybody’s a critic…
:)

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:02:04pm

I predict there will be no discussion of hand size.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:02:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:03:28pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:03:40pm

I don’t see what the point of these things are anymore… Berners gonna Bern, all he can do is lose supporters from here on out. That’s how it feels, anyway.

When do we get to the fun part, when Hitlery carves off Trump’s yuge manhood and hands it to him on camera? //

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:03:51pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I agree but that’s not the only issue.

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:03:57pm

Glad the Dems are there tonight spotlighting that city

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KingKenrod  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:04:26pm

The Flint disaster is a prime example of the end result of modern GOP governance. Democrats should talk about it at every opportunity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:05:19pm
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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:05:42pm

re: #2 jaunte

Au contraire.

I will give Hillary lots of money if she announces her dick is bigger than Trump’s.

I would give Bernie less money for the same announcement, but only because it would be way less funny.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:06:23pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don’t see what the point of these things are anymore… Berners gonna Bern, all he can do is lose supporters from here on out. That’s how it feels, anyway.

When do we get to the fun part, when Hitlery carves off Trump’s yuge manhood and hands it to him on camera? //

I remember when there weren’t enough debates.

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:07:27pm

HRC is owning this issue while Bernie blamed the problem on billionaires.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:07:47pm

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don’t see what the point of these things are anymore… Berners gonna Bern, all he can do is lose supporters from here on out. That’s how it feels, anyway.

When do we get to the fun part, when Hitlery carves off Trump’s yuge manhood and hands it to him on camera? //

Trump: “No man born of woman can destroy me!”
Hillary: “Uhhh…”

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:07:58pm

re: #10 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Au contraire.

I will give Hillary lots of money if she announces her dick is bigger than Trump’s.

Maybe rude to say, but maybe you should get your checkbook out… now.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:08:29pm

While we’re fixing the pipes…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:08:34pm

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:08:38pm

re: #12 b.d.

HRC is owning this issue while Bernie blamed the problem on billionaires.

Again another reason why I like her more than him. She sees the big picture of the issues.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:09:06pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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The buck stopped with you there Snyder. Fuckwad.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:09:20pm

re: #11 Belafon

Seems like there’s two a week now. They don’t “debate” anything though.

At least this one is in Flint? That’s good. This is one time where I wish Obama WAS an evil Kenyan commie dictator, because he’d have rounded up everyone responsible and had them shot or sent to farm snow*.

*farming snow is my imagined equivalent of “counting trees” in Siberia.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:09:20pm

Sure, appoint a city manager and then blame “bureaucracy.”

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:09:43pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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The party of personal responsibility tweets again.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:10:01pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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Come on, get your game on Snyder. Everybody knows it’s Obama’s fault. One of your party’s pres candidates said so.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:10:25pm

re: #21 b.d.

The party of personal responsibility tweets again.

Personal responsibility is for poor,black people silly.

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KingKenrod  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:10:26pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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Bureaucrats do what they’re told to do by leadership. This was a failure of leadership.

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:10:56pm

re: #22 Skip Intro

Come on, get your game on Snyder. Everybody knows it’s Obama’s fault. One of your party’s pres candidates said so.

It’s either Obama’s fault or it is too early for the blame game, he hasn’t decided yet.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:12:15pm

re: #25 b.d.

Since when has it ever been too early to blame Obama?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:12:23pm

re: #21 b.d.

He wants to make clear what he didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it!

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:12:26pm
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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:13:39pm
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Belafon  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:14:53pm

re: #29 b.d.

Now the federal government should be involved.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:14:56pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is tweeting during the debate:

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I almost blew an Outrage Gasket on reading this (fortunately, mine are heavy-duty) - I;m glad I’m not on Twitter, because the urge to tweet something along the lines of:

Fuck you, you lame prostituted hack! MONEY was all the Flint water crap was EVER about!!!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:15:07pm

Anderson Cooper calls out the Magical Balance Fairy to say the EPA is equally responsible with the GOP administration of Flint.

NOPE. Not the same.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:16:08pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Anderson Cooper calls out the Magical Balance Fairy to say the EPA is equally responsible with the GOP administration of Flint.

NOPE. Not the same.

I’d be curious to see just how under-funded the EPA is nowadays.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:16:25pm

LOLOLOLOL

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:16:54pm

re: #33 JasonA

Like fucking crazy. And understaffed.

As is the FDA.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:17:06pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL

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Taking responsibility on Twitter isn’t taking responsibility.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:17:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:17:34pm

re: #33 JasonA

I’d be curious to see just how under-funded the EPA is nowadays.

I imagine very much so given the Congreses Obama has had for of his presidency.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:17:37pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Taking responsibility on Twitter isn’t taking responsibility.

And he didn’t even take responsibility on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:17:56pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

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Agh HappyWarrior hates it when people do that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:18:08pm

re: #39 thedopefishlives

And he didn’t even take responsibility on Twitter.

Exactly. Fuck em.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:18:12pm

re: #35 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Like fucking crazy. And understaffed.

As is the FDA.

After all these years of a Republican Congress I have to imagine they check our rivers and streams for loose change when they test the waters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:18:19pm

ok, then…

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:18:44pm

re: #33 JasonA

I’d be curious to see just how under-funded the EPA is nowadays.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:18:55pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ok, then…

Okay that’s nice. But how do you prevent future Flints? From what I’ve been reading there are many other cases like this.

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Brian J.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:19:07pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

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Bob Dole thinks that’s a great idea.

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:19:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:19:37pm

re: #44 jaunte

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That doesn’t surprise me at all, “Small government” at all costs. Fuck everyone else.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:19:53pm

re: #44 jaunte

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Thanks, Obama.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:19:55pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Anderson Cooper calls out the Magical Balance Fairy to say the EPA is equally responsible with the GOP administration of Flint.

NOPE. Not the same.

When Ted Cruz is pres they won’t have that excuse any more because there won’t be an EPA or FDA or OSHA or ………….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:20:00pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

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Brings back memories of a particular troll that used to be here.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:20:05pm

So, how does “running the government like a business” look in light of the Flint water crisis?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:20:14pm

re: #47 b.d.

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The Republicans were too busy focused on the important issues like how anti-gay bakers should be able to be dicks and their candidates member size.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:21:03pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ok, then…

Sounds kind of like Trump to me. The pres can fire state employees? Who knew?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:21:42pm

re: #52 jaunte

So, how does “running the government like a business” look in light of the Flint water crisis?

A bit like the Ford risk management of Pinto gas tanks.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:22:55pm

re: #42 JasonA

As a business owner, it’s one of the things that makes me spit-take about the whole “run government like a business” line.

You design a project, then create both funding and staffing projections to get the job done right within a projected timespan.

The mandate of the EPA and the FDA isn’t altered…people haven’t voted that in. Yet the people doing the accounting and staffing are cutting in way that make the “job” harder to do, take longer, and each failure means costs. This is not good business.

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:22:59pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snyder is attempting to shift blame from himself where it rightly belongs to others. I’m now wondering how long it’ll be before he tweets, “OBAMA’S FAULT!!!!” I sent him a tweet and added a #1CowardlyNerd hashtag because he is trying to avoid taking primary responsibility for something preventable that happened on his watch. I remember when dems talked about Flint in a previous debate, his tweet was asking us to not assign blame to anyone. Party of personal responsibility? I think not.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:23:02pm

Dear Dark_Falcon,

For your information and your literalness.

From Merriam-Webster online

Full Definition of war:
1
a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : state of war

b : the art or science of warfare

c (1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war

2
a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism

b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end

c : variance, odds 3
war*less play -ləs\ adjective

You can apologize for your stupid comment in the last thread at any time. And maybe do some reading. You need to expand your vocabulary.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:23:03pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ok, then…

Wait—what? Since when do presidents have the power to “fire” state governors?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:24:01pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

Wait—what? Since when do presidents have the power to “fire” state governors?

They don’t.

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VegasGolfer  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:24:04pm

re: #52 jaunte

or Louisiana, Wisconsin, Kansas, Florida NJ etc.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:25:12pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

They don’t.

President Trump will fix that on Day 1.
///

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No Depression  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:25:25pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ok, then…

Does he think we’re stupid or something? What a dumb response.

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CuriousLurker  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:25:59pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

They don’t.

I mean seriously, can you imagine? Every time a new POTUS was elected… e gad.

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darthstar  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:26:00pm

The reason I watch these debates is because some asshole will simplify it down to “Hillary had a good night because she didn’t have a melt down.” and people will read that as a win.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:26:21pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

Wait—what? Since when do presidents have the power to “fire” state governors?

Poor Sanders answer. He could fire any Fed agency personnel that dropped the ball, but that’s playing into Snyder’s dodge.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:26:52pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

And Boom Goes the Dynamite

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:28:12pm

“Can I finish?”
— Ross Perot

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EPR-radar  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:28:33pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Anderson Cooper calls out the Magical Balance Fairy to say the EPA is equally responsible with the GOP administration of Flint.

NOPE. Not the same.

That there is a big slab of USDA Prime Brahma Bullshit.

GOP ruling hacks made all pertinent decisions, while the EPA may have screwed up its advice.

Advising and ruling are two very different things.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:28:58pm

re: #65 darthstar

The reason I watch these debates is because some asshole will simplify it down to “Hillary had a good night because she didn’t have a melt down.” and people will read that as a win.

Well, yeah, that’s basically true. Sanders needs to fundamentally alter the landscape of the election. Clinton can absolutely win merely by keeping the status quo intact.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:29:46pm

re: #70 Testy Toad T

Well, yeah, that’s basically true. Sanders needs to fundamentally alter the landscape of the election. Clinton can absolutely win merely by keeping the status quo intact.

Well, that was almost always the case.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:30:12pm

re: #68 jaunte

“Can I finish?”
— Ross Perot

“Can I feeeenish?” - Orly Taitz

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EPR-radar  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:30:32pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Okay that’s nice. But how do you prevent future Flints? From what I’ve been reading there are many other cases like this.

Don’t elect Republicans is a necessary condition for preventing repeats of Flint.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:30:56pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

Don’t elect Republicans is a necessary condition for preventing repeats of Flint.

True.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:31:16pm

re: #71 gwangung

Well, that was almost always the case.

As long as no one grabs their crotch, the night is a Democrat win.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:31:20pm
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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:31:22pm

My, Bernie’s being really shouty tonight.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:31:22pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:33:13pm

The damned transcripts yet again. Give it a rest, Bernie.

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Brian J.  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:33:15pm

I have better things to do tonight than watch this debate, like the laundry, but I really hope this and tomorrow’s “town hall” will end Bernie’s pointless “challenge.”

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:34:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:34:37pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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He’s a broken record on this issue. Wall Street is NOT the only issue.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:34:43pm

Bernie is coming off as a man-splaining ass.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:34:47pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

The damned transcripts yet again. Give it a rest, Bernie.

People do things and then get paid for them. Donnnnnnnnn’t care.

But the Bernbagger base will eat it up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:34:55pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:35:07pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Bernie is coming off as a man-splaining ass.

Explains the antics of some of his more rabid followers.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:35:13pm

I’m still trying to understand what an Independent is doing in a Democratic debate.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:35:13pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Bernie is coming off as a man-splaining ass.

So he’s not all that much unlike his followers.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:35:24pm

re: #86 Testy Toad T

Explains the antics of some of his more rabid followers.

Dammit. Out of my head, you.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:35:38pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

I’m still trying to understand what an Independent is doing in a Democratic debate.

I think he is officially a Democrat now.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:36:30pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I think he is officially a Democrat now.

He might hang a little ‘D’ by his name, but actions speak a lot louder than words.

I wonder if he’s started trying to raise money for downballot candidates yet lol no I don’t, of course he hasn’t.

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:37:12pm

OK—I’m only watching 25 more minutes, then on to Downton.

Bernie really seems to be losing his shit.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:37:37pm

“Wall Street” is a bad shorthand for U.S. business in general.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:37:42pm

re: #91 Testy Toad T

He might hang a little ‘D’ by his name, but actions speak a lot louder than words.

I wonder if he’s started trying to raise money for downballot candidates yet lol no I don’t, of course he hasn’t.

I know. That’s one of the things that upsets me most about him. It’s like he thinks all we need is him and that’s enough. Nope not at all.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:37:53pm

Wal-Mart for instance.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:37:57pm

FYI, I’m not watching. Following here religiously of course, but keeping my got damn Sunday sane.

Even if it’s the Dems. I feel so saturated.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:38:02pm

Charles Johnson,

I feel bad that I wasn’t able to start watching this from the beginning.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:38:20pm

I want to continue to reiterate that I totally respect somebody if they engage in a reasonable, fact-based evaluation of the two Democratic candidates and then come to the conclusion that they think Sanders is more representative of their views or would be a better candidate for them to vote.

There is just a frustratingly large population out there that wouldn’t say the same of a Clinton supporter, and that’s really grating.

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bratwurst  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:38:30pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:38:37pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Bernie is coming off as a man-splaining ass.

What do you mean? I wasn’t able to start watching this until about a minute ago?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:38:45pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

FYI, I’m not watching. Following here religiously of course, but keeping my got damn Sunday sane.

Even if it’s the Dems. I feel so saturated.

Imma waiting on Walking Dead… (not to be confused with a GOP debate)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:39:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:39:51pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imma waiting on Walking Dead… (not to be confused with a GOP debate)

Me too. Going to be brutal. Trying to eat dinner before. Or maybe not, then I’ll skip & have a diet night!

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:40:12pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imma waiting on Walking Dead… (not to be confused with a GOP debate)

I don’t even care about the GOP debate, because I wouldn’t vote for any of the Republican candidates. Also, at this point its looking more and more certain that Trump is going to be the nominee.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:40:32pm

Crash and Bern.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:40:43pm

That one is gonna hurt. Sanders just admitted that he’s on the same side as Ted Cruz on trade.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:40:59pm
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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:41:12pm

re: #106 Bill and Opus for 2016!

That one is gonna hurt. Sanders just admitted that he’s on the same side as Ted Cruz on trade.

Oh brother. Thanks for watching this for me

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:41:16pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

In January 2016, his official Senate website still referred to him as an Independent,[181] and the following month his press releases omitted party affiliation[182] or described him as an Independent

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:41:18pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:41:41pm

The commentary I can handle

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:42:12pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

en.wikipedia.org

My mistake. Thanks. Sigh. Honestly that’s why I laugh when I hear about how “bad” the DNC is treating him.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:42:55pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:21pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

His website makes no mention of his party, unless it’s buried somewhere.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:43:59pm

re: #114 Skip Intro

His website makes no mention of his party, unless it’s buried somewhere.

Thanks.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #114 Skip Intro

His website makes no mention of his party, unless it’s buried somewhere.

In a sense, it reminds me of the dark days of the early 2000s when we got afraid of our labels.

I’m a goddamned proud Democrat. I stand behind the platform and I generally stand behind the people I help elect. Fucking come at me.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

So far I think both Hillary and Burning are making some excellent points, and I’ve only been listening for a few minutes.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:44:38pm

Well, it is pretty clear Bernie is not a Democrat. Go figure.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:45:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:45:35pm

re: #118 Testy Toad T

In a sense, it reminds me of the dark days of the early 2000s when we got afraid of our labels.

I’m a goddamned proud Democrat. I stand behind the platform and I generally stand behind the people I help elect. Fucking come at me.

He reminds me of those people who insist they’re the base but look for any reason to vote against Democrats.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:46:08pm

I don’t really dig the “protectionist ignoramus” look. The economy of 2016 looks a lot different from the one I grew up with. That’s scary, but there just isn’t any going back.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:46:11pm

Love these Purge ads.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:46:12pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:46:32pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:47:42pm

re: #124 JasonA

Love these Purge ads.

Every time I see one I have to doublecheck to make sure that they weren’t paid for by the Donald Trump campaign.

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Dark_Falcon  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:47:58pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

No, I don’t think I’ll apologize. Attacking you for saying American states wage war on their own people is not something I’m sorry I did. I stand by that attack no matter what.

[nails First Navy Jack to the mainmast]

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:48:21pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That should disqualify anyone from being POTUS. Bernie is an economic illiterate if he thinks that’s what the Ex-Im Bank is.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:48:31pm

I get the feeling Sanders would be willing to rant and rail about how the internet killed off Borders if he had the opportunity. Yeah, that’s a real bummer, and people lost jobs and I really am sad that they suffered, but by most objective metrics the system we have now simply works better. Proclaiming you’re going to put that genie back in the bottle is simply magical thinking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:48:31pm

Maybe because he’s a Dem, she’s a Dem, and she supports his policies.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:48:40pm

RedState commenters on the Dem Debate are pretty tame:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:48:58pm

This is weird-I’m streaming the debate on my Yamaha RX-2040 on SiriusXM and the PAD data during commercials is changing colors/flashing. Never seen that behavior before.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:49:35pm

re: #129 MsJ

That should disqualify anyone from being POTUS. Bernie is an economic illiterate if he thinks that’s what the Ex-Im Bank is.

He identifies some real structural problems with this country, but I never get the feeling he’s particularly well-versed on what has caused those problems.

At least in his speeches and his policy proposals, he indicates very simplistic thinking.

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TedStriker  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:50:01pm

re: #10 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Au contraire.

I will give Hillary lots of money if she announces her dick is bigger than Trump’s.

I would give Bernie less money for the same announcement, but only because it would be way less funny.

She sure has bigger huevos than Trump…

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:50:43pm

Waiting with baited breath as to how Bernie Sanders turns a question about gun violence into a screed about Wall Street.

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fern01  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:51:40pm

re: #114 Skip Intro

His website makes no mention of his party, unless it’s buried somewhere.

I thought I had read that he is running for his senate seat as an independent - but I can’t find the link anywhere.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:51:50pm

A whole lot of drivers are going to be unemployed in fifteen years when autonomous cars really take off. It’ll be a problem we’ll have to deal with. But if you’re going to declare you’ll save those jobs by banning aforementioned cars, or something, that’s the sort of capital-S Socialism that simply will never ever ever fly for 80% of the population of this country.

And you can count me in that number.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:52:41pm

re: #136 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Waiting with baited breath as to how Bernie Sanders turns a question about gun violence any subject at all into a screed about Wall Street.

Fixt .

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:53:28pm

re: #138 Testy Toad T

Riddle me this-why hasn’t that happened with airline pilots already?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:53:34pm

good lord, he’s still tweeting:

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:54:00pm

re: #138 Testy Toad T

A whole lot of drivers are going to be unemployed in fifteen years when autonomous cars really take off. It’ll be a problem we’ll have to deal with. But if you’re going to declare you’ll save those jobs by banning aforementioned cars, or something, that’s the sort of capital-S Socialism that simply will never ever ever fly for 80% of the population of this country.

And you can count me in that number.

You start by gradually reducing drivers’ hours to less than 40, rather than the double-book BS truckers are forced to work now.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:54:22pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think I’ll apologize. Attacking you for saying American states wage war on their own people is not something I’m sorry I did. I stand by that attack no matter what.

[nails First Navy Jack to the mainmast]

Mighty big of you Dark. You are the definition of taking oneself too serious.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:54:40pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think I’ll apologize. Attacking you for saying American states wage war on their own people is not something I’m sorry I did. I stand by that attack no matter what.

[nails First Navy Jack to the mainmast]

Then you seem to be OK with Republican governments poisoning their own people.

You’re incredibly blase about the delays.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:54:51pm

Anderson’s tie is incredible.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:55:10pm

re: #134 Testy Toad T

He identifies some real structural problems with this country, but I never get the feeling he’s particularly well-versed on what has caused those problems.

At least in his speeches and his policy proposals, he indicates very simplistic thinking.

Exactly. I wonder who he thinks is going to finance billion dollar deals for goods like aircraft.

It all sounds so good…blame WallSt for everything. He’s the left’s version of Mexican Rapists and Muslim hordes. Blame someone, scapegoat someone.

What’s worse, I don’t think anyone broke laws before the crash. So who are we going to throw in jail…and for what? (And, yeah, that sucks.) But feeling good by chucking SOMEONE in jail doesn’t solve problems.

Lip service. That’s what Bernie offers. No real thought, analysis or understanding. Populism - just aimed at a different group.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:55:16pm

re: #138 Testy Toad T

A whole lot of drivers are going to be unemployed in fifteen years when autonomous cars really take off. It’ll be a problem we’ll have to deal with. But if you’re going to declare you’ll save those jobs by banning aforementioned cars, or something, that’s the sort of capital-S Socialism that simply will never ever ever fly for 80% of the population of this country.

And you can count me in that number.

Sam Harris was describing an extension of the situation that you mentioned. What happens in the future as technology displaces the need for labor? To the extreme, what if all design, development and manufacture were automated? Wouldn’t that be the case where everyone should be guaranteed a living salary to pursue life?

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:55:44pm

Giving legal immunity to gun makers has been a big mistake.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:55:45pm

re: #140 Eric The Fruit Bat

Riddle me this-why hasn’t that happened with airline pilots already?

I dunno. I think probably because you can’t hit the pull-over button at 35,000 feet.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:55:46pm

- Senator, what do you think about Trump’s proposal to build the wall?
- I think we should rather tear down walls. Especially Wall Street.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:56:23pm

re: #145 JasonA

Anderson’s tie is incredible.

I need a photo!

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darthstar  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:56:26pm

re: #145 JasonA

Anderson’s tie is incredible.

I told my wife everyone likes Anderson’s tie. She said, “Well, it matches his lips.”

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:56:30pm

re: #147 Ming5000

It’s definitely something that keeps me up at night. It’s coming. But I don’t think Sanders would have a sensible clue about what to do about it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:57:06pm

Bernie on guns. That was a mess.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:57:11pm

re: #147 Ming5000

Sam Harris was describing an extension of the situation that you mentioned. What happens in the future as technology displaces the need for labor? To the extreme, what if all design, development and manufacture were automated? Wouldn’t that be the case where everyone should be guaranteed a living salary to pursue life?

As work becomes a scarce good, we share it out equally. Enjoy your 3-day week.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:57:15pm

Unsafe products that could be made safer.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:57:43pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:59:05pm
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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:59:05pm

re: #153 Testy Toad T

It’s definitely something that keeps me up at night. It’s coming. But I don’t think Sanders would have a sensible clue about what to do about it.

Oh! Cripes, no. I didn’t mean to imply that. :-)
I was just saying overall we all need to figure out how to play together. The world is changing and we need to evolve.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 6, 2016 • 5:59:40pm

Psst. It is about to start. The last episode of Downton Abbey.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:00:06pm

I’m watching my beloved curling. Thanks for keeping me current. I’m too burned (Berned) out to deal with politics.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:01:30pm

re: #161 MsJ

I’m watching my beloved curling. Thanks for keeping me current. I’m too burned (Berned) out to deal with politics.

I wonder when we can have our “burn” back. I still say “Linsane”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:01:32pm

Wow. Bernie Sanders really came off badly in that exchange about gun manufacturers.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:01:42pm

We should make a BernieBot bingo. Well, those of us with strong livers.

Let’s start with Wall Street, oligarchy and military-industrial complex.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:01:51pm

Making guns safer will absolutely not “end gun manufacturing in
America.”

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mmmirele  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:02:00pm

I filled out my absentee ballot for the Arizona (D) primary.

I voted for Hillary Clinton.

It was a tough choice, but Bernie’s bros and his tone-deafness on racial issues pushed me over the edge.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:02:26pm

Yet another reason why Donald Trump sucks.

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Brian J.  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:03:00pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Wow. Bernie Sanders really came off badly in that exchange about gun manufacturers.

He’s on tilt. I’ve been there myself in the casino, and it will only end when his pile of chips, or checks from the BernieBros, is completely gone.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:03:17pm

Don Lemon? Really? Haven’t the people of Flint suffered enough?

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:03:32pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Wow. Bernie Sanders really came off badly in that exchange about gun manufacturers.

I agree, he definitely could have done a lot better, than he did. Hillary is just pounding him on gun control.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:04:12pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:05:25pm

Presumably all of Bernie’s retirement savings are in savings and CD accounts.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:05:39pm
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TedStriker  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:06:15pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

en.wikipedia.org

So, Bernie is a Democrat now, except when he isn’t.

Explains why he hasn’t been working to support the Democratic downticket races to this point, doesn’t it?

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:06:18pm

Can somebody sum up the gun control exchange?

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:06:47pm

Well this question seems tailor-made for a former Sec of State.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:08pm

re: #174 TedStriker

So, Bernie is a Democrat now, except when he isn’t.

Explains why he hasn’t been working to support the Democratic downticket races to this point, doesn’t it?

Yes, it does. Pretty opportunistic of him.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:15pm

Not sure what that means but it doesn’t sound good.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:38pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Wow.

Empty bellicosity and empty patriotism.

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:38pm

So my Mom says Bernie is being an ass. I haven’t been able to watch. I heard Hillary briefly and she sounds like she’s losing her voice.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:42pm

re: #175 Nyet

Bernie basically ignored Clinton’s push for forcing manufacturers push to make smart guns.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:07:58pm

Its funny how life imitates art [SPOILER ALERT FOR HOUSE OF CARDS]

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:08:00pm

Bailed out on debate to watch The Walking Dead but I agree with this tweet:

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:08:08pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

See comment #3.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:08:09pm

“I marched with Dr. King!” We know, Bernie.

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Brian J.  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:08:38pm

re: #183 b.d.

Bailed out on debate to watch The Walking Dead but I agree with this tweet:

[Embedded content]

From your lips to God’s ears.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:09:01pm

“What racial blind spots do you have?”

The unanswerable question.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:09:13pm

The fact that Bernie Sanders was arrested fighting for desegregation is actually pretty impressive. He is willing to stand up for what is right even if means risking his well being to do so. That’s a big plus for Bernie.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:09:42pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:09:52pm

They’re blind spots. You aren’t conscious of them.

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Brian J.  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:10:36pm

re: #188 CriticalDragon1177

The fact that Bernie Sanders was arrested fighting for desegregation is actually pretty impressive. He is willing to stand up for what is right even if means risking his well being to do so. That’s a big plus for Bernie.

The fact that he did absolutely nothing for civil rights in the 52 years between then and now, rather less so. He loses the nonwhite vote by downright Republican margins, and his inflation of his extremely peripheral role in the CRM is probably a big reason why.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:11:08pm

re: #183 b.d.

Bailed out on debate to watch The Walking Dead but I agree with this tweet:

[Embedded content]

I’m watching the Downton Abbey finale. I’ll watch Walking Dead later.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:11:10pm

re: #188 CriticalDragon1177

The fact that Bernie Sanders was arrested fighting for desegregation is actually pretty impressive. He is willing to stand up for what is right even if means risking his well being to do so. That’s a big plus for Bernie.

It is admirable but it’s tiresome that it’s his whole argument on Civil Rights.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:11:51pm

re: #175 Nyet

Can somebody sum up the gun control exchange?

I wish I could explain Bernie’s, but I really can’t.

Hillary was classic soft stepping Democrat. We need to look why we need guns, should we have certain types of guns, implement everything we can about background checks, etc.

It remains a topic we really can’t talk about. Political death for both parties.

Abortion can be outlawed because of the sanctity of life. Guns can’t be touched.

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b.d.  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:12:00pm

re: #192 Big Beautiful Door

I’m watching the Downton Abbey finale. I’ll watch Walking Dead later.

I heard that they are basically the same show but with different costumes.

//

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:12:42pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:12:54pm

re: #195 b.d.

When the herd comes up from the village, they’ll send Barrow out.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:15:44pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

“I marched with Dr. King!” We know, Bernie.

Hugh Murray was *taught* by MLK and took part in the sit-ins.

anthonyflood.com

Now he’s a far-right MRA and a WRA. (W is for whites)

hughmurray.blogspot.com

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:15:55pm
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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:16:09pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:17:52pm

Shockwave Flash just crashed on me and video stopped playing. so annoying. Time to reload it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:18:23pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

Maybe the DNC has learned their lesson to keep guys like Bernie out of their ranks.

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:19:04pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

MLK was my cousin through marriage. My mom and Coretta were cousins through their great grandparents. She and the kids used to come to our family reunions in Tuscaloosa. There’s one coming up this August. Having said this, it amazes me when some others try to “share” in his work as if they were right there on the front lines with him in every endeavor. I’m not trying to disparage Sanders’ civil rights creds. His work is laudable, but most of us who lived through the era and had much more at stake than he did/does, revere MLK as more than someone to hold up to appeal to blacks for votes. IMO, fighting for the civil rights of all Americans [minorities, LGBTQ persons, atheists, etc] is something that goes beyond elections and should be ongoing. I like candidates that I don’t have to guess where they stand on civil rights at any time. If they want my vote, it takes more than paying lip service to me. It takes, as I said, a demonstration of ongoing advocacy.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:19:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:01pm

Bernie Sanders keeps circling back to Wall Street like…

No, I think I’ll forego that simile.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:04pm

Wall Street! DRINK!

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:08pm

re: #201 CriticalDragon1177

Shockwave Flash just crashed on me and video stopped playing. so annoying. Time to reload it.

Something about LGF causes shockwave to crash.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:15pm

Okay the video is playing again.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:18pm

Finally a mention of Wall Street.

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:23pm

re: #201 CriticalDragon1177

Shockwave Flash just crashed on me and video stopped playing. so annoying. Time to reload it.

That’s why it’s called Shockwave Flash.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:34pm

Bernie Bernie Bernie.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:40pm

And there you have it. Bernie Sanders turns a discussion about the 1990s Crime Bill into Wall Street.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:20:51pm

re: #210 SoundGuy 2016

That’s why it’s called Shockwave Flash.

LOL!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:21:24pm

re: #207 stpaulbear

Something about LGF causes shockwave to crash.

Nope. There’s nothing special going on with LGF. Flash is just terrible, buggy software that needs to go away.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:22:19pm

re: #164 Nyet

We should make a BernieBot bingo. Well, those of us with strong livers.

Let’s start with Wall Street, oligarchy and military-industrial complex.

“he marched with MLK!”

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SoundGuy 2016  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:23:05pm

Flash crashes all the time on all kinds of websites. Should call it Shockwave Crash.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:23:06pm

re: #167 CriticalDragon1177

Yet another reason why Donald Trump sucks.

It’s no secret that Trump is a scam artist, but “industrial psychologist” is a new one on me.

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:23:42pm

re: #200 jaunte

Hell, I’m black, over 60, and I don’t know what it’s like to live in the ghetto. It ticks me off that millions of Americans think all blacks either live, or lived, in ghettos. It’s just not true. Put Raging Furby and myself in a real ghetto, and we’d both be very uncomfortable because we’d be in “the undiscovered country.”*

*H/t to Star Trek. Yeah, I’m a liberal and a Trekkie.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:23:44pm

re: #207 stpaulbear

Something about LGF causes shockwave to crash.

Nice to know its not just me: maybe OT in a Bernie/Hillary-slugfest thread, but yeah; I LURVS me my LGF; but it IS one of the most crash-prone sites I follow.

Oh, and ad-heavy: did I mention “ad-heavy”????

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:24:12pm

I run this site without Flash and have very little issue. Once in a while an outside ad will want to run it, but for me it almost seems the ads are coming in knowing they can run the newer (HTML) code. It’s becoming more and more rare I’ll get a message to enable flash or for it to cause an issue.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:24:57pm

re: #218 majii

I get the impression that Bernie has been more insulated than most.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:25:14pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

I need a photo!

Finally found a tweet showing Anderson’s tie:

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:26:15pm

Under your browser settings, you can set it up so you get to choose when to run adobe flash player. Ever since I did that, LGF has run fine for me.

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:26:51pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

It does match his lips.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:27:26pm

I went to Detroit public schools in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s and graduated from a Detroit-area university (ltu.edu)

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:27:29pm

re: #223 Jenner7

thanks

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:27:43pm

re: #220 ObserverArt

I run this site without Flash and have very little issue. Once in a while an outside ad will want to run it, but for me it almost seems the ads are coming in knowing they can run the newer (HTML) code. It’s becoming more and more rare I’ll get a message to enable flash or for it to cause an issue.

And I should add…I do not use ad block and I so want to be a full subscriber. Pray for me!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:28:13pm

re: #219 Jay C

If you love LGF, there’s a way to completely turn off those ads.

But unfortunately, without the ads LGF would not exist. This isn’t a charity. It costs money to keep this site online.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:28:18pm

Uh, dude, I think that’s Reagan’s first wife, Jane Wyman. Kinda ruins your lame joke.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:28:40pm
A nation should be judged not by the number of millionaires or billionaires that it has, but how it treats its weakest members.

Good quote Bernie.

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:29:08pm

re: #217 De Kolta Chair

It’s a field I nearly went into.

Basically, you study the interface of worker, workplace, and admin.

There’s a lot of sub-specialties.

Man-machine interface, for example, is about designing equipment and work space. Like ergonomics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:29:10pm

re: #230 CriticalDragon1177

Good quote Bernie.

Yeah I agree with that.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:29:20pm

re: #221 jaunte

I get the impression that Bernie has been more insulated than most.

Well, no big surprise there: serving in the House for 16 years, and then in the Senate for another 9 as an “Independent”: maybe a bit of purely-partisan “insulation” isn’t unexpected…

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:29:24pm
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:30:19pm

I gave up watching the debate after a few minutes.

After seeing how this was going to be another example of how well can Anderson Cooper put both Hillary and Bernie on the defensive, and both of the candidates seemingly fine with the framing that comes out of Cooper/CNN, I wrote this one off.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:31:13pm

re: #231 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

It’s a field I nearly went into.

Thanks for the explanation.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:31:18pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:31:21pm
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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:32:29pm

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

I went to Detroit public schools in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s and graduated from a Detroit-area university (ltu.edu)

Didn’t know that. How Lawrence Technical University?

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Michael McBacon  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:32:44pm

Unions protecting bad teachers? STFU Anderson.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:32:57pm

re: #230 CriticalDragon1177

Good quote Bernie.

He’s got good ideas and good principles overall. But as much as I like him, and I’ve been pushing his ideas here for awhile now, he’s not presidential material. Put him in Labor or Treasury and give him a fairly free hand under a strong Clinton presidency?

Best of Both Worlds…

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:33:11pm

Flash!
Ah ah!
Worst of the Universe!

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:33:18pm

More interesting to me will be Tuesday’s votes. Michigan will be a clear test to see if Kasich can get close to Trump’s turnout there. Today Kasich brought in The Terminator to Columbus to try and get out a big crowd…. it was an ok crowd. If Kasich cannot stop Trump in Ohio, it will be hard to stop Trump unless the latters YUUUUUUUUUGE ego trips him up somewhere in April or May.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:33:42pm

re: #239 CriticalDragon1177

Didn’t know that. How Lawrence Technical University?

Great school. Better now than when I attended, when it was an “Institute of Technology”

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:33:57pm

Scapegoating teachers…go Hillary.

John Kasich. You listening? You have plenty explaining to do about your Ohio school mess and the screwed up Charter Schools that are a sham. And you went after the unions and you cut funding for public schools.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:33:58pm

Sorry, but Bernie Sanders’ talking point about colleges being “tuition-free” is just ridiculous. It’s never going to happen.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:34:10pm

re: #241 William Lewis

He’s got good ideas and good principles overall. But as much as I like him, and I’ve been pushing his ideas here for awhile now, he’s not presidential material. Put him in Labor or Treasury and give him a fairly free hand under a strong Clinton presidency?

Best of Both Worlds…

I disagree, based on what I know about him, I think he would make a better president than Hillary.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:34:13pm

Does DWS have a clue?

I know it’s easy to pick on her… but WTF? Why does she set up her candidate(s) to get questions like these?

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:34:33pm

re: #229 De Kolta Chair

It is Jane Wyman, [ Wyman died in 2007] but when did that ever stop those who are quick to kiss the *sses of their “betters?” We’ve witnessed lots of sloppy work from right-wingers, from misspelled words, to placing Middle Eastern nations in the wrong places on maps, to making graphs and pie charts equalling more than 100%..

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:35:09pm

re: #247 CriticalDragon1177

I disagree, based on what I know about him, I think he would make a better president than Hillary.

I like his policy stands better, but being a President is more than that.

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:37:44pm

re: #240 Michael McBacon

I taught for 33 years in GA, a state with a constitution that doesn’t allow public employees to bargain collectively. It still amazes me that many Americans think all teachers are union members. Not true. I was a member of NEA, but NEA could only act as a professional organization in GA.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:38:04pm

Schwarzenegger endorsing Kasich is interesting, as Trump talks often about Arnie and arranged for Arnie to take over The Apprentice.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:38:07pm

re: #241 William Lewis

He’s got good ideas and good principles overall. But as much as I like him, and I’ve been pushing his ideas here for awhile now, he’s not presidential material. Put him in Labor or Treasury and give him a fairly free hand under a strong Clinton presidency?

Best of Both Worlds…

I’d be fine with him pissing back off to the back bench in the Senate. None of his proposals excite me.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:38:15pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but Bernie Sanders’ talking point about colleges being “tuition-free” is just ridiculous. It’s never going to happen.

Well, from the technical perspective of “we could make it happen like it was in the 60’s in California” sure, all it really takes is enough money. But from a practical perspective of “American’s raising taxes on themselves to help their children?” Forget about it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:38:37pm

re: #243 freetoken

More interesting to me will be Tuesday’s votes. Michigan will be a clear test to see if Kasich can get close to Trump’s turnout there. Today Kasich brought in The Terminator to Columbus to try and get out a big crowd…. it was an ok crowd. If Kasich cannot stop Trump in Ohio, it will be hard to stop Trump unless the latters YUUUUUUUUUGE ego trips him up somewhere in April or May.

Arnold is always in Columbus this time of the year. He runs his Anrold Classic™ Body Building/Fitness Competition and a Sports Health/Body/Exercise Convention for four days downtown. It’s Arnold huge!

It was easy for Kasich to drag him to wherever it was done. I haven’t seen it. GOP governors and all that stuff. No big deal.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:39:14pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

Yes, but Arnie endorsed Kasich.

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Jay C  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:39:45pm

re: #248 freetoken

Does DWS have a clue?

I know it’s easy to pick on her… but WTF? Why does she set up her candidate(s) to get questions like these?

SATSQ time: 1. No.
2. God only knows.

Thank you for your support…..

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:40:28pm

I’m all for Bernie’s education idea but I just think more realistically we need to find ways to reduce tuition in the first place. I like the idea don’t get me wrong but i think an all or nothing approach will be hard to sell.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:40:52pm

Checked out Michael Moore’s latest tweets. He’s become a talking points regurgitation machine.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:41:18pm

re: #259 Nyet

Checked out Michael Moore’s latest tweets. He’s become a talking points regurgitation machine.

Said it the other day but haven’t been a fan of his for a while.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:41:22pm

NRA is on delayed reaction:

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:41:36pm

re: #259 Nyet

Checked out Michael Moore’s latest tweets. He’s become a talking points regurgitation machine.

Not so much talking points as just plain old nonsense.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:42:08pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

NRA is on delayed reaction:

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Except guns are specifically designed to kill you fuckwads. A hammer not so. So fail you gun fucking fuckers.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:42:34pm

re: #256 freetoken

Yes, but Arnie endorsed Kasich.

I know! Good for business. Ohio is good business for Arnold. Kissing Kasich butt for a few minutes in a race where many think he is the only moderate and reasonable (shudder) is good for business for Arnold. He looks reasonable…and Trump will have to get over it. Arnold can whip him anyway.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:42:34pm

I’d be curious to know Senator Sanders’ energy plan (that goes for Hillary as well), besides hearing him say he doesn’t take money from the fossil fuelers.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:43:11pm

re: #259 Nyet

Checked out Michael Moore’s latest tweets. He’s become a talking points regurgitation machine.

Once upon a time he had his 15 minutes. Unfortunately that was 8 hours ago… O_o

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:43:17pm

re: #265 De Kolta Chair

I’d be curious to know Senator Sanders’ energy plan (that goes for Hillary as well), besides hearing him say he doesn’t take money from the fossil fuelers.

The hell does he have against dinosaurs???

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:43:33pm

re: #259 Nyet

Not to mention that he tends to be on the authoritarian side and denies reality at times, like when he suggested that a POTUS has the power to remove state officials from office.

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JasonA  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:43:44pm

Okay, that was a good line from Bernie.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:44:01pm

re: #267 Not a Sparkly Vampire

The hell does he have against dinosaurs???

Are you calling him a self-hater?

Bad-a-Bing!

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:44:15pm

re: #262 Not a Sparkly Vampire

These are TPs:

And by this time they stink.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:45:01pm

Citizens United!

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:45:08pm

Glad both Hillary and Bernie are talking about the problem of climate change and neither of them are denying the unpleasant reality that its real, and human beings are causing it. I don’t think I could say that about any of the Republican candidates, especially Trump who thinks climate change is a conspiracy created by China.

Don’t particularly like the Chi Coms, but that is pure nonsense. That insane conspiracy theory would be enough for me to vote against Trump, if not for any other reason.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:46:23pm

re: #271 Nyet

These are TPs:

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And by this time they stink.

Simple minded talking points that obscure the truth….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:46:40pm

re: #271 Nyet

These are TPs:

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And by this time they stink.

Well if he wants to play that game, Bernie’s last Congressional endorsement had an anti-gay record in the Hawaii state legislature. I was a teenage radical and I don’t hold what Hillary was politically as a high schooler against her because people can and do change.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:47:07pm

re: #271 Nyet

Be that (Moore’s quest for another 15 minutes) as it may… the real problem the Democrats have now is how to package a less than shiny candidate against a GOP campaign machine that is already prepped to bring out everything from the cattle futures to Vince Foster to BENGHAZI!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:47:12pm

re: #273 CriticalDragon1177

Glad both Hillary and Bernie are talking about the problem of climate change and neither of them are denying the unpleasant reality that its real, and human beings are causing it. I don’t think I could say that about any of the Republican candidates, especially Trump who thinks climate change is a conspiracy created by China.

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Don’t particularly like the Chi Coms, but that is pure nonsense.

Cruz or Rubio could call him on this obvious lie, but then they’d have to admit that climate change exists.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:47:29pm

re: #249 majii

It is Jane Wyman, [ Wyman died in 2007] but when did that ever stop those who are quick to kiss the *sses of their “betters?” We’ve witnessed lots of sloppy work from right-wingers, from misspelled words, to placing Middle Eastern nations in the wrong places on maps, to making graphs and pie charts equalling more than 100%..

That tweeterer sounds like he’s more of a self-styled anarchist. (I call all anarchists “self-styled” because I don’t believe there’s any such thing as an actual anarchist, at least not on this planet.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:48:03pm

re: #274 gwangung

Simple minded talking points that obscure the truth….

It’s my understanding she was supporting Eugene McCarthy in 1968 when she would have been a junior in college. I don’t hold her support of Goldwater as a seventeen year old against her at all. You think the Republicans gave a shit that Reagan was a staunch Democrat until his mid 30’s?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:48:20pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:49:13pm

re: #271 Nyet

These are TPs:

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And by this time they stink.

Moore gets to points in his career where almost everyone hates him. It’s sad. he has some talent but he blows it by being a self-righteous ass.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:49:45pm

re: #277 Barefoot Grin

Cruz or Rubio could call him on this obvious lie, but then they’d have to admit that climate change exists.

Yes, and than Trump would probably accuse them of working for the Chi-Coms, and his dumb wingnut supporters would probably believe him without questioning it. After all who cares about evidence and objective facts?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:50:22pm

re: #281 ObserverArt

Moore gets to points in his career where almost everyone hates him. It’s sad. he has some talent but he blows it by being a self-righteous ass.

What annoys me about him is he has a lot of self-righteous moments but he also has his moments where he chooses pragmatism and we’re supposed to ignore i.e. his support for Wesley Clark in 2004 based on the assumption that Clark’s record would make him impossible to attack from the Bush campaign.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:50:36pm

Christ, the fuckin’ emails.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:53:44pm

Christ, the fucking gods.

//

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:54:29pm

re: #284 Targetpractice

Christ, the fuckin’ emails.

re: #285 De Kolta Chair

Christ, the fucking gods.

Oh noes… another sex scandal?????

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:54:29pm

Christ, the fuckery.

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Ming5000  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:55:18pm

re: #287 Nyet

Christ, the fuckery.

Now we are getting somewhere

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:55:55pm

Oh, good grief. CNN brings out the church lady.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:56:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:57:23pm

Didn’t Jesus say something about not making big public displays of religiosity?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:57:25pm
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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:58:02pm

SMH.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:58:14pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

Oh, good grief. CNN brings out the church lady.

Well she doesn’t seem to be a wingnut. I don’t really care about the candidate’s religious beliefs, through. I care more about their stances on policy.

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John Vreeland  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:58:40pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Koch bros. agree with Bernie on that one. Libertarians hate the ex-im bank. I’m not not so sure it’s a necessary piece of infrastructure myself, but if it is, then calling it “welfare for successful businesses” is like calling the Interstate Highway system “welfare for successful businesses.” And maybe it is, too.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:58:41pm

I pray they’d move on!

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 6:58:49pm

If DWS was employed by Trump… she would be fired.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:00:16pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

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Good grief. I can barely keep my own faith straight. Why am I supposed to care about how anyone else prays unless, say in the case of my priest, it helps me pray? This isn’t the GrandOldTheocrats debate, dude.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:01:29pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:01:53pm

“No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Next question.”

*sips water*

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:02:28pm

I literally care more about whether a candidate hangs their toilet paper over- or under-handed than what skygod they prefer.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:03:02pm

A candidates religion should be none of our damn business.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:03:30pm

I already sent in my ballot for Bernie last week.

But if I was going to the polls on Tuesday, I’d vote for Hillary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:03:49pm
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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:06pm

re: #302 Not a Sparkly Vampire

A candidates religion should be none of our damn business.

I disagree. Ted Cruz’s religion is, for example, very relevant.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:28pm

re: #301 Testy Toad T

I literally care more about whether a candidate hangs their toilet paper over- or under-handed than what skygod they prefer.

You’d think we would have learned after the followers of the Rabbit God and those of the Duck God annihilated each other.

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John Vreeland  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:33pm

re: #301 Testy Toad T

I checked but it seems Jesus was mute on this topic. Though if someone studied hard enough I’m sure they could find God’s preference.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:45pm

re: #305 Nyet

I disagree. Ted Cruz’s religion is, for example, very relevant.

I mean in a normal sense.
Not for kooks who would use religion to govern.

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CriticalDragon1177  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:58pm

re: #305 Nyet

I disagree. Ted Cruz’s religion is, for example, very relevant.

Good point, but only because he wants to force it on everyone else.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:04:59pm

re: #301 Testy Toad T

I literally care more about whether a candidate hangs their toilet paper over- or under-handed than what skygod they prefer.

Over. (unless you have cats, then under)

RBS

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:06:21pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

Arnold is always in Columbus this time of the year. He runs his Anrold Classic™ Body Building/Fitness Competition and a Sports Health/Body/Exercise Convention for four days downtown. It’s Arnold huge!

It was easy for Kasich to drag him to wherever it was done. I haven’t seen it. GOP governors and all that stuff. No big deal.

Just got back to Lexington from Columbus(about 3 hr drive) My son participated in the Gymnastics events at the classic today. We drove up this morning and as we pulled into the parking lot, I see a Kasich campaign bus. I start joking with my wife about “he must be trying to get an endorsement”. Few hours later…

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The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:06:21pm

Sometimes religion of the candidate matters.

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John Vreeland  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:06:35pm

re: #308 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I mean in a normal sense.
Not for kooks who would use religion to govern.

I thought this was part of the GOP platform.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:07:08pm

re: #309 CriticalDragon1177

Good point, but only because he wants to force it on everyone else.

Yep. Private religious tests are not only not bad, they’re necessary.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:07:34pm

Yikes

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:08:29pm

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

Yikes

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TheBestofHitler.doc

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stpaulbear  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:08:43pm

re: #300 Pawn of the Oppressor

“No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Next question.”

*sips water*

Is that an actual quote or what someone wished they’d said? I’m not watching - just following here.

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TedStriker  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:09:33pm

re: #188 CriticalDragon1177

The fact that Bernie Sanders was arrested fighting for desegregation is actually pretty impressive. He is willing to stand up for what is right even if means risking his well being to do so. That’s a big plus for Bernie.

The fact that he decided to use the Democratic Party like a twenty-dollar whore in order to make his presidential run halfway feasible, all the while continuing to act like an “independent” in not helping out the Democrats downticket (among other things), is a huge minus for Bernie.

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:09:35pm

How did Hillary handle the email question?

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:11:04pm

Obligatory MST3K reference for the evening

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:11:05pm

re: #305 Nyet

I disagree. Ted Cruz’s religion is, for example, very relevant.

Heh. That’s a good answer that leaves me sputtering.

1) A candidate’s religion _should_ not be relevant
2) unfortunately when that religion is driving him in very anti-democratic directions?
3) then it does become relevant.

The real question is where and when is that trip line? Especially in the US where, as is noted above, “No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” That is a statement no other western democracy has held to and is, perhaps, one of the most important definitions of American Democracy. It’s very important for us “US” to be careful about where that line is because of this.

I am religious. I am also far more terrified of a Cruz presidency than a Trump one. Trump is only a Mussolini wanna-be. But Cruz? Cruz would like to make Torquemada jealous. Still here in America we have chosen to be more careful about these arguments - pro and con - than others have been willing to be and it remains both our strength and our weakness.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:11:46pm

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think we would have learned after the followers of the Rabbit God and those of the Duck God annihilated each other.

Alas there have to be survivors for any lesson to be passed on…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:12:34pm

I’m waiting for the question regarding what ice cream goes best with certain foods.

Scoop of Chocolate, Scoop of Vanilla

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:12:46pm

re: #320 De Kolta Chair

Obligatory MST3K reference for the evening

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Mike!

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KingKenrod  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:13:35pm

Answering the religious question is an important test of political skill. The goal is to say nothing anyone will remember.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:15:44pm

re: #321 William Lewis

“No religious test” no more applies to a debate question than banning someone from a private forum infringes on free speech. This is not an ethical principle, it’s a prohibition to make laws that would institute religious tests.

Otherwise, I agree, religion should not matter as long as the risk of it influencing the candidates’ decisions negatively is negligible (as is the case with Bernie and Hillary).

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:16:06pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior
TheEternalJewTrumpishSubtitles.mp4
MeinKampforDummies.epub

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:16:28pm

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Didn’t Jesus say something about not making big public displays of religiosity?

You’d never know it.

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John Vreeland  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:17:37pm

CNN doesn’t seem to be streaming it live. Or am I missing something?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:17:52pm

re: #329 John Vreeland

It’s done.

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calochortus  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:18:00pm

So, did anyone learn anything from the debate?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:18:03pm

re: #326 Nyet

“No religious test” no more applies to a debate question than banning someone from a private forum infringes on free speech. This is not an ethical principle, it’s a prohibition to make laws that would institute religious tests.

Otherwise, I agree, religion should not matter as long as the risk of it influencing the candidates’ decisions negatively is negligible (as is the case with Bernie and Hillary).

But we also all know that a POTUS candidate answering “No one”* to that sort of question would be committing political suicide.

* - Which would probably apply if they answered “Allah” or any of a number of other potential specific replies.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:18:40pm

re: #331 calochortus

So, did anyone learn anything from the debate?

Wall Street is the root of all evil in this country.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:19:14pm

re: #332 Feline Fearless Leader

But we also all know that a POTUS candidate answering “No one”* to that sort of question would be committing political suicide.

* - Which would probably apply if they answered “Allah” or any of a number of other potential specific replies.

Sure, and that’s a sad state of affairs. Asking is not prohibited though, even if it’s in bad taste.

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calochortus  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:19:42pm

re: #333 Feline Fearless Leader

Wall Street is the root of all evil in this country.

Thanks. I guess that takes care of it.

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:20:11pm

Dems got another debate Wednesday on CNN again.

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Jenner7  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:20:52pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:05pm

For the sake of his newspaper’s circulation, I hope he’s right. /

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:09pm

re: #311 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Just got back to Lexington from Columbus(about 3 hr drive) My son participated in the Gymnastics events at the classic today. We drove up this morning and as we pulled into the parking lot, I see a Kasich campaign bus. I start joking with my wife about “he must be trying to get an endorsement”. Few hours later…

Cool. Good to have you in the city. Hope you had a good time. That event has gotten big!

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:17pm

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Didn’t Jesus say something about not making big public displays of religiosity?

Yep. It’s one of the most conspicuously ignored lessons in our teachings. The only thing more ignored is the only time he talks about what God really wants us to do (Matthew 25:31 - end) which is to take care of those unable to help themselves.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:21:25pm

re: #337 Jenner7

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Which should come as a surprise to the people of Massachusetts.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:22:06pm

re: #331 calochortus

I learned that I can’t stand to hear Bernie speak, even if I once agreed with him.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:22:12pm

re: #338 De Kolta Chair

Shaun is such a hack.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:22:39pm

re: #337 Jenner7

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LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:23:27pm

Sure, if it’s the bare number of states that counted… but it doesn’t. Hack.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:24:41pm

As my pop used to say, just because you can do or say something, doesn’t mean you should. Take this for example…

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:25:25pm

re: #337 Jenner7

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Doesn’t pass sniff test.

This is irritating: Sanders’ campaign tends to talk big, and doesn’t back it up.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:26:26pm

By the way…Jamelle Bouie laid down this series of tweets…strikes me as having elements of truth…

storify.com

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:28:23pm

She’s pretty good

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:28:30pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but Bernie Sanders’ talking point about colleges being “tuition-free” is just ridiculous. It’s never going to happen.

If it doesn’t happen, it is because we choose for it not to happen. Effectively, every A highschool student in Italy gets all the college she can stand.

1 Gerald Ford class aircraft carrier=1,000,000 student tuition/years at mid state university.
(Check my numbers, it scared me too.)

I voted for HRC in the primary.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:29:13pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Germany has virtually free colleges too.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:32:05pm

re: #351 Nyet

Germany has virtually free colleges too.

Raising a stone-ignorant population is a national security issue.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:33:28pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Could you imagine a top-to-bottom audit of The Pentagon’s budget? It would make Rand Paul’s favorite hobby horse of auditing The Federal Reserve look like child’s play.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:33:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:34:49pm

niterz, lizardz!

(Walking Dead was dark tonight…that’s all I’ll say…)

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:35:05pm

re: #352 Decatur Deb

Raising a stone-ignorant population is a national security issue.

Quite possibly our biggest.

I hope people come to realize Trump is a great indicator of this issue.

Another fine night with the Lizard crew. Still impressed the Dems talk about stuff, and their differences. So much better than the GOP Squawk Tank of Dangerous Noise.

Later!

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jc717  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:35:49pm

re: #271 Nyet

These are TPs:

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And by this time they stink.

But those are facts, aren’t they? They may not matter (certainly the young Republican one doesn’t), but they are true statements.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:36:07pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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niterz, lizardz!

(Walking Dead was dark tonight…that’s all I’ll say…)

Oh, good, I was hoping it would be. Later!

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b_sharp  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:36:26pm

If anyone is interested in me pissing on David Sirota

elephantdung.ca

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:37:02pm
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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:37:28pm

re: #357 jc717

But those are facts, aren’t they? They may not matter (certainly the young Republican one doesn’t), but they are true statements.

And?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:38:33pm

Good Bye Downton Abbey with a happy ending. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:39:33pm

re: #360 goddamnedfrank

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Funny, he doesn’t look Druish.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:41:15pm

Flavored, non-chewable pills.
Who’s the idiot who came up with that?
/rant

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:47:05pm

re: #364 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Flavored, non-chewable pills.
Who’s the idiot who came up with that?
/rant

I can ‘sorta’ see giving them some flavor if they are bitter, or something like that, but yea, I’m reaching to find a purpose for it.

RBS

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:48:29pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

1 Gerald Ford class aircraft carrier=1,000,000 student tuition/years at mid state university.
.

This. I’ve been arguing it repeatedly here - we are building and running far too many carrier battle groups. We do not need anywhere near as many as we have much less are building.

We can cut the number of carriers drastically and spend an insane amount of money on things that build the nation while not even slightly impacting our defense. Because we are spending. Way. Too. Much. Now.

We can cut our defense spending by 50% without even noticing any difference in our position in the world. That money is far better spent elsewhere.

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:50:18pm

So, apropos of nothing, I had a nice day today. Weather was nice, mid 40’s and sunny. The snow from the other day was melting (saving me the trouble of shoveling the last of it), and my brother-law-called me up and invited me to the shooting range.

Finally got the chance to try out my new pistol, a Beretta Neos .22 target pistol I had treated myself to as a 2 month quitting smoking reward. Threw a $20 red dot sight on the Neos and spent about 90 minutes happily sighting it in and putting holes in paper (exactly where I wanted to no less; very accurate!).

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jc717  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:50:29pm

re: #361 Nyet

And?

And, I think that it’s pretty lame to dismiss something factual out of hand simply by calling it a talking point.

Maybe I’m missing something, but how is this different than saying ‘Oh, that’s just a talking point’ to criticisms of Trump’s history of birtherism or other nutty ideas?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:51:02pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

If it doesn’t happen, it is because we choose for it not to happen. Effectively, every A highschool student in Italy gets all the college she can stand.

1 Gerald Ford class aircraft carrier=1,000,000 student tuition/years at mid state university.
(Check my numbers, it scared me too.)

I voted for HRC in the primary.

Totally agree. But the reality is, with America’s current priorities, tuition-free college is simply never going to happen. It would mean a major re-ordering of national priorities and major defunding of the military-industrial complex. And even though that would be a correction that’s long overdue, I just don’t see it happening in our lifetimes.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:51:29pm
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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:51:32pm

re: #366 William Lewis

This. I’ve been arguing it repeatedly here - we are building and running far too many carrier battle groups. We do not need anywhere near as many as we have much less are building.

Quite aside from the number we actually need to keep in service, from an engineering perspective, it looks like we need to be building nuclear carriers at approximately the rate we do in order to preserve the industrial base and institutional knowledge necessary to build the damn things in the first place.

I think we blow more money than we need to on being Team America World Police, but there are other directions I’d look first for savings.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:53:19pm

re: #369 Charles Johnson

Totally agree. But the reality is, with America’s current priorities, tuition-free college is simply never going to happen. It would mean a major re-ordering of national priorities and major defunding of the military-industrial complex. And even though that would be a correction that’s long overdue, I just don’t see it happening in our lifetimes.

Yeah. Bernie is also long overdue, and I don’t see him happening either.

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gwangung  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:53:39pm

re: #368 jc717

And, I think that it’s pretty lame to dismiss something factual out of hand simply by calling it a talking point.

Maybe I’m missing something, but how is this different than saying ‘Oh, that’s just a talking point’ to criticisms of Trump’s history of birtherism or other nutty ideas?

Because you’re not considering her 35+ year history as an adult.

I’m sorry, but citing her Goldwater work is just LAME.

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majii  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:54:20pm

re: #343 Nyet

Most of the older blacks I know, and that’s a lot, voted for Hillary last Tuesday here in GA, just as I did. Their kids tend to like Bernie, though. Bernie saying his blind spot is “not having any blacks at his rallies” won’t bode well for him, if these young black millennials find out about it. IMO, he shouldn’t be making comments of this sort, not if he wants to attract more blacks to attend his rallies. Just my opinion.

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darthstar  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:55:00pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Finally found a tweet showing Anderson’s tie:

[Embedded content]

My wife was right…his tie does match his lips. She’s good with fashion…though you wouldn’t be able to tell from looking at how I dress (unless I’m wearing my good tie dye).

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:55:02pm

re: #245 ObserverArt

Scapegoating teachers…go Hillary.

John Kasich. You listening? You have plenty explaining to do about your Ohio school mess and the screwed up Charter Schools that are a sham. And you went after the unions and you cut funding for public schools.

Just for some background on Johnny and charter schools

Kasich’s “Education Mess” In Ohio Just Got Messier

plunderbund.com

many other stories about his mess at that site

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:55:17pm

re: #368 jc717

And, I think that it’s pretty lame to dismiss something factual out of hand simply by calling it a talking point.

This has been dismissed on other, substantive grounds long ago, which is why it is being discussed only as talking points now, so it’s your criticism that’s lame.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:55:32pm

re: #371 Testy Toad T

Quite aside from the number we actually need to keep in service, from an engineering perspective, it looks like we need to be building nuclear carriers at approximately the rate we do in order to preserve the industrial base and institutional knowledge necessary to build the damn things in the first place.

I think we blow more money than we need to on being Team America World Police, but there are other directions I’d look first for savings.

Disagree. There are ways to provide make work and training for them that does not cost as much as actually building yet another needless carrier.

And that’s without going anywhere near the argument that we should forget how… O_O

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:56:11pm

re: #369 Charles Johnson

Don’t overlook the fact that a college education (or lack thereof) is a powerful distinguisher between classes. There are a lot of elements in our society who would very much like to keep those distinctions in place. Allowing ‘those people’ a “free ride” upwards is something they fear immensely.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:58:07pm

re: #379 Whack-A-Mole

Don’t overlook the fact that a college education (or lack thereof) is a powerful distinguisher between classes. There are a lot of elements in our society who would very much like to keep those distinctions in place. Allowing ‘those people’ a “free ride” upwards is something they fear immensely.

Caddyshack- The World Need Ditch Diggers, Too

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:58:38pm

re: #353 Eric The Fruit Bat

Could you imagine a top-to-bottom audit of The Pentagon’s budget? It would make Rand Paul’s favorite hobby horse of auditing The Federal Reserve look like child’s play.

The Fed IS audited. The dumbasses mean something else - they object to the low interest rate policy because reasons. Perhaps Congress should focus on fiscal policy, the main reason for the slow recovery.

brookings.edu

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:58:57pm

re: #378 William Lewis

re: #371 Testy Toad T

Just gabbed the carrier because is is large and easy to quantify. The point is that it is a choice of priorities. I would like to see the DoD and educational systems both return better on the investment.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:59:00pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 6, 2016 • 7:59:29pm

Was combing through thread downstairs. Dark_Falcon still being obstinate about Republicans. As sure as the sun will rise in the morning.

*shudder*

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:00:57pm

re: #378 William Lewis

Disagree. There are ways to provide make work and training for them that does not cost as much as actually building yet another needless carrier.

I don’t think I agree with that, but then we end up with dueling credentials and other stuff that doesn’t belong on the wider internet in the first place.

There’s also the (much more pervasive) viewpoint that government spending, be it military-industrial from the left or “strapping young bucks” buying their T-bone from the right, is money somehow set alight. A whole hell of a lot of jobs, white and blue collar both, spent on this sort of construction. I wish quite a bit of that money were directed toward civil infrastructure, but it’s not a complete piss-away.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:01:06pm

re: #368 jc717

And, I think that it’s pretty lame to dismiss something factual out of hand simply by calling it a talking point.

Maybe I’m missing something, but how is this different than saying ‘Oh, that’s just a talking point’ to criticisms of Trump’s history of birtherism or other nutty ideas?

Dude, in 1980 as a high school student, I worked for the Anderson campaign even as I was learning the real economics of Democratic Socialism (which Anderson would have spazed out against). One of those things I’ve kept my whole life. Care to guess which one?

Let me offer a free clue, sans the x4, pushing Bernie without a full understanding of his major weaknesses will only help the fascist motherf****rs in the long run. They live for useful idiots. Take that as you will.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:02:33pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

Just gabbed the carrier because is is large and easy to quantify. The point is that it is a choice of priorities. I would like to see the DoD and educational systems both return better on the investment.

Most assuredly. People get grumpy when their jobs get termed “waste”, is all.

Doesn’t mean it’s right, doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but it sure sparks conversation!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:03:09pm

re: #370 jaunte

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Good one. Reince really should be worried about his own damn party and their actual extreme views.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:04:11pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

“Reince Priebus” is becoming a synonym for “detached from reality.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:21pm

re: #389 jaunte

“Reince Priebus” is becoming a synonym for “detached from reality.”

Yep.

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teleskiguy  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:45pm

Heh. Might have been mentioned already. UpChuck, his pal Pax, or whatever, deleted a juvenile taunt they tweeted last night. Fuckin’ whatever, dudes. It’s saved here.

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SteelPH  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:05:59pm

re: #389 jaunte

“Reince Priebus” is becoming a synonym for “detached from reality.”

FTFY

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:07:21pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:10:04pm

re: #353 Eric The Fruit Bat

Could you imagine a top-to-bottom audit of The Pentagon’s budget? It would make Rand Paul’s favorite hobby horse of auditing The Federal Reserve look like child’s play.

A large part of the Pentagon budget is welfare for congressional districts, because lots of politicians only believe in Keynesianism if its weaponized.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:11:15pm

re: #393 freetoken

@Reince Are you trying to divert attention away from Trump’s penis?

Do any of the TPGOP candidates hang left? Someone should check.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:14:14pm

I think I’ll invent a new word:

Trumpenis: (n) a dick which wants to be an even bigger dick than the big dick it already is.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:18:08pm
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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:19:14pm

G’night ya’all. Time for this old northern boy to crawl off to bed.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:20:41pm

re: #378 William Lewis

Just to make you feel better—The Ford has 4 Ma Deuces tucked away among all that 21st Century shit.

en.wikipedia.org

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:21:03pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

Mike!

x2

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:21:36pm

re: #378 William Lewis

I think what needs to happen is a massive investigation into the DOD in almost every regard that can be thought of. There is a massive corruption problem.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:22:55pm

re: #401 Ziggy_TARDIS

And a massive religious nutcase problem.

We need to badly reform the entire DOD, and probably move the Air Force Academy.

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Reality Based Steve  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:23:08pm

I’m outta here too. Too much sun on my shaved head today, I’m going to put some aloe lotion on it and hope I don’t start peeling, because that would look like a horror show.

Remember, friends don’t let friends vote Republican.

RBS

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Testy Toad T  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:23:40pm

Welp, this suddenly just got way too derpy.

G’night.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:24:34pm

We also have a problem in regards to including tech on battlefield weaponry that is nowhere near ready for prime time, causing costs to balloon there too.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:27:30pm

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Just to make you feel better—The Ford has 4 Ma Deuces tucked away among all that 21st Century shit.

en.wikipedia.org

< Smirk > That will be the last USA designed weapon still in service 1000 years from now … ;)

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:28:33pm

Cassandra Wilson and Brandon Ross
Cassandra Wilson - Redemption Song - Live

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:29:33pm
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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:34:31pm

re: #407 jaunte

Cassandra Wilson and Brandon Ross
[Embedded content]

Video

Was plucking my way, awkwardly as it was, through those chords the other day.

Good stuff.

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teleskiguy  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:41:39pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

If you love LGF, there’s a way to completely turn off those ads.

But unfortunately, without the ads LGF would not exist. This isn’t a charity. It costs money to keep this site online.

It’s six 17 cents a day at the subscription level. Well worth the 60 bones. I *never* have issues with the site, unless the server goes down or my own internet connection goes kaput.

Charles, I’m feeling generous tonight. I put another $50 in your GoFundMe. This site is awesome, it’s instrumental in my life in keeping me sane and witty.

EDITED

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:41:53pm

re: #380 Reality Based Steve

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Or, in the inimitable words of Marco Rubio,

“We need more welders and less philosophers.”

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teleskiguy  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:43:59pm

re: #410 teleskiguy

My math is horrible! It’s actually closer to 17 cents a day. Still, a pittance all things considered.

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William Lewis  Mar 6, 2016 • 8:45:46pm

So, before I go for the night, here’s a bit of musical frustration I have…

Went to visit my son at his facility today. In the family room was a white board next to the piano that had on it a depiction of 12 bar blues (with a quick IV in the second bar and a I V for the last 2 bars in the turnaround). Now, the musicians here (guitarists especially) will probably know what that all means but John was asking what that meant. And what galled me was that we had no blues songs in common - I tried singing several standards and he looked at me with a great big “Huh?” in his eyes. Are we really losing the blues from pop music or is it just getting hidden behind the usual production crap? Or am I just an idiot who can’t teach music (and that is seriously meant. It’s quite probably I’m stupidly missing something vital even as I try to teach him “Sweet Home Chicago”. )

I wonder if I could have done better with my guitar in hand? A7, D7 E7 in the usual places for a 12 bar in A? At least I could have demonstrated some of the rhythms.

Frustrating to say the least

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2016 • 11:18:42pm

re: #195 b.d.

I heard that they are basically the same show but with different costumes.

//

If you want to see hideous costumes… Vinyl.

Set in the 1970’s, the decade that fashion forgot.

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steve_davis  Mar 7, 2016 • 5:24:28am

re: #301 Testy Toad T

I literally care more about whether a candidate hangs their toilet paper over- or under-handed than what skygod they prefer.

I actually don’t think I could vote for a candidate who hangs it underhanded. That’s just wrong. When family comes to visit and somebody hangs it underhanded, my thought is that they’re surely doing that just to piss me off ‘cause no sane person wants it dispensed from the rear.

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Swift2991  Mar 7, 2016 • 4:05:27pm

What happened tonight? Whelp, we found out that Bernie isn’t a single issue candidate, he just think “Wall Street” explains all issues. And he wants American manufacturing and union wages back, but he doesn’t seem to know how to make it happen except by saying it louder. Yet somehow he voted against the auto bailout. And that Hillary is damned smart and tough.


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