The Michigan primary is going down to the wire, and here’s another thread to live-blog the results…
BREAKING: Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic presidential primary in Michigan. @AP race call at 11:30 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 9, 2016
Little Marco has been shut out of delegates so far… but there is always Hawaii.
Sandbaggers will natter that the fact that it was close at all means Bernie can still win the nomination, when the raw delegate count shows that he’s only falling further behind. He needed a big win to even begin to cut into her lead and he hasn’t managed that.
re: #2 Targetpractice
And there are no winner-take-all games for the Dems.
It’s past my bedtime, and Bernie just nosed ahead in Macomb and Genesee counties.
The reality is it’s NOT a big deal who “wins” Michigan. It’s gonna be a delegate split..
— Armando (@armandodkos) March 9, 2016
This is why I turned off cable news.
Bernie Sanders holding onto lead over Hillary Clinton with 57% reporting in #MichiganPrimary pic.twitter.com/JXKshdArfI
— Local 4 WDIV Detroit (@Local4News) March 9, 2016
Kent County (Grand Rapids) numbers rolling in. @BernieSanders has a huge lead there. #MIprimary pic.twitter.com/b5XA6J7pNv
— Detroit Free Press (@freep) March 9, 2016
re: #2 Targetpractice
Sandbaggers will natter that the fact that it was close at all means Bernie can still win the nomination, when the raw delegate count shows that he’s only falling further behind. He needed a big win to even begin to cut into her lead and he hasn’t managed that.
Right, if it’s close. Hey he did better than expected and props really but he’s still got a long ways to go to catch up.
ALERT: Bernie Sanders, who is Jewish, easily wins Dearborn, which has highest concentration of Arab Muslims. He won 63-37.#MichiganPrimary
— Niraj Warikoo (@nwarikoo) March 9, 2016
re: #8 HappyWarrior
Right, if it’s close. Hey he did better than expected and props really but he’s still got a long ways to go to catch up.
It would help him tremendously if he stopped getting utterly annihilated in a lot of states.
re: #10 Not a Sparkly Vampire
It would help him tremendously if he stopped getting utterly annihilated in a lot of states.
Yeah but those states aren’t going Democratic anyhow. //
re: #9 The Vicious Babushka
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The Berniebros still don’t understand the delegate system, it seems.
Anyhow looking at Michigan tonight, I’m reminded of a lot of races here in Virginia where a lead by one candidate turns into a lead by another as the night goes on. Sanders could easily still hold on here but there’s a lot left to be counted.
re: #11 HappyWarrior
Yeah but those states aren’t going Democratic anyhow. //
That’s my favorite argument.
So silly.
I just remind them to look at all the states Obama won in the 08 primary.
Donald Trump’s gigantic penis wowed ‘em in Mississippi and Michigan tonight. No other GOP penis came close.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 9, 2016
re: #17 Not a Sparkly Vampire
That’s my favorite argument.
So silly.
I just remind them to look at all the states Obama won in the 08 primary.
Shit, I remind them that they’re thumping their chests over Bernie’s wins in Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Clinton’s won more purple states than he has at this point.
If Bernie does hold on though, congratulations to him. Whatever his strategy seems to have worked better than pollsters were giving him credit for in Michigan.
Honestly, I am surprised at Michigan. Did the big polling lead cause complacent Hillary supporters to stay home? Or was polling just that bad?
re: #31 Unabogie
Honestly, I am surprised at Michigan. Did the big polling lead cause complacent Hillary supporters to stay home? Or was polling just that bad?
I’m sure 538 will have a breakdown of that in the coming days.
re: #31 Unabogie
Honestly, I am surprised at Michigan. Did the big polling lead cause complacent Hillary supporters to stay home? Or was polling just that bad?
I’m not sure honestly. She’s actually winning pretty solidly among registered Democratic voters but he’s winning even bigger among Indies.
Kasich is ahead of Trump by 25 votes in Kalamazoo.
Kalamazoo for Kasich.
re: #31 Unabogie
Honestly, I am surprised at Michigan. Did the big polling lead cause complacent Hillary supporters to stay home? Or was polling just that bad?
Silver has already written that quite a lot of Dems chose to take part in the Rep. primary. Stupid.
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Marco Rubio’s song of the night:
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He’s Napoleon.
I don’t know. Napoleon actually had some successes. Marco had a close win in Minnesota and another in Puerto Rico. I think he’s more like me in the batters box. Sometimes makes solid contact but strikes out a lot too but still got a ton of participation trophies.
Does John King not know what the word literally means?
re: #36 Nyet
Silver has already written that quite a lot of Dems chose to take part in the Rep. primary. Stupid.
Very.
re: #39 Nyet
Primaries should be closed.
Then what about Independents who make up a fair chunk of the population?
re: #28 Targetpractice
And First Lady Inconentia Buttocks!
re: #36 Nyet
Silver has already written that quite a lot of Dems chose to take part in the Rep. primary. Stupid.
If that’s the case, I hope they all understand what voting means now.
re: #36 Nyet
Silver has already written that quite a lot of Dems chose to take part in the Rep. primary. Stupid.
Palm to the face.
The weirdest are reading about the Democrats who want to stop Trump. If the Republican party wants to be stupid enough to nominate this guy, let them.
re: #42 HappyWarrior
Then what about Independents who make up a fair chunk of the population?
They can join the parties if they wish. Or have their own party, with blackjack and hookers.
re: #45 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Palm to the face.
There was some of it in our state too. I saw some people I know talking about voting Kasich and Rubio to stop Trump.
If Democrats were switching because they thought Clinton had it, I hope they learned their lesson, especially before the general election.
re: #40 b.d.
Does John King not know what the word literally means?
Literally doesn’t mean literally anymore. There’s no word for literally any longer.
re: #47 Nyet
They can join the parties if they wish. Or have their own party, with blackjack and hookers.
I just disagree with that is all. I see what you mean but I think open primaries work better than closed often than not. Now that said, I understand and agree with you thinking these people who crossed over are idiots.
re: #50 MsJ
Literally doesn’t mean literally anymore. There’s no word for literally any longer.
Virtually true…
Good for Bernie because it is too soon to turn the sights against the GOP, let’s still sell our message and not draw any attention away from those guys while they’re killing themselves
re: #51 HappyWarrior
I don’t see why non-members should take part in deciding an internal party issue (who’s gonna be the nominee).
This might be one of the most pointless nail-biting finishes I’ll ever see.
re: #54 Nyet
I don’t see why non-members should take part in deciding an internal party issue (who’s gonna be the nominee).
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree with that. I do think open primaries were more better when there was more crossover between the two parties though.
re: #53 b.d.
Good for Bernie because it is too soon to turn the sights against the GOP, let’s still sell our message and not draw any attention away from those guys while they’re killing themselves
But no more “Mississippi Berning”, ok?
Ouch pic.twitter.com/cFjtXfRyRG
— Andrew Rafferty (@AndrewNBCNews) March 9, 2016
re: #55 No Depression
This might be one of the most pointless nail-biting finishes I’ll ever see.
True dat.
re: #54 Nyet
I don’t see why non-members should take part in deciding an internal party issue (who’s gonna be the nominee).
It’s a calculated risk by the State Party where they allow it. The idea is that it generates some level of “buy in” on the part of the independents that participate in a primary election. Of course in practice most of that is nothing but wishful thinking.
Either way. They finish the night with one having slightly more than the other in Michigan. However, net gain wise it’s still Hillary’s night since she demolished him in Mississippi. And I expect next Tuesday to be a net positive night for her too.
Sanders and Clinton are probably going to split Michigan’s delegates, and that means Clinton is still going maintain a big lead over all, even if she doesn’t “win” Michigan.
re: #49 Belafon
If Democrats were switching because they thought Clinton had it, I hope they learned their lesson, especially before the general election.
This was one of the best Obama 2008 ads
Donald Trump’s victory speech… https://t.co/lyTM4ZKiRl
— Rob Tornoe (@RobTornoe) March 9, 2016
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Sanders and Clinton are probably going to split Michigan’s delegates, and that means Clinton is still going maintain a big lead over all, even if she doesn’t “win” Michigan.
Right. I mean it’s a nice story if he makes it closer than it looked going in and he deserves credit but at the same time. He’s got a long way to go.
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Sanders and Clinton are probably going to split Michigan’s delegates, and that means Clinton is still going maintain a big lead over all, even if she doesn’t “win” Michigan.
Yep, both a big lead today, as well as overall.
Plus there is a (very slight) chance that Sanders drops below 15% in MS and gets no delegates. Now that would be funny.
Wayne County still reporting 0% from Detroit; Wayne precincts in are from close-in suburbs https://t.co/gAAHqIGJbv pic.twitter.com/y67X60MDIZ
— Joshua Benton (@jbenton) March 9, 2016
Someone had mentioned earlier (yesterday?) about how sponsors would be leaving Serena Williams if she tested positive for drugs, but were wondering if they’d do it for Sharapova? The answer is yes:
Nike (NKE) and Porsche, which is a Volkswagen (VLKAY) brand, suspended their deals within hours of her admission that she had failed a drug test. And Swiss watch brand TAG Heuer said it was suspending negotiations about renewing a sponsorship deal that ended a few months ago.
This appears by far to be his best performance with African-American voters which is definitely helping him tonight tre: #67 goddamnedfrank
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Interesting.
Donald Trump: I am “more presidential than anybody other than the great Abe Lincoln.” pic.twitter.com/K4HgGg0KDx
— Mashable News (@MashableNews) March 9, 2016
OT for some exciting personal news.
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re: #70 Charles Johnson
Maybe its just me, but anyone who takes 30 seconds and spends half of that time just repeating himself comes across as a complete fucking moron
re: #67 goddamnedfrank
They’re doing it just to fuck with us./
re: #70 Charles Johnson
This guy would have cheered when he found out Lincoln was assassinated.
Sanders up by just about 4% in Michigan overall and up by 40,000 votes.
Listening to Sandbaggers, it’s sounding a lot like the day after NV: “He cut her down to a narrow win, which only proves he can win!” You know, the sort of delusion that lasted until she crushed him in SC.
re: #76 Targetpractice
Listening to Sandbaggers, it’s sounding a lot like the day after NV: “He cut her down to a narrow win, which only proves he can win!” You know, the sort of delusion that lasted until she crushed him in SC.
I mean as I said if he does win, he will have done better than expected but today will still be a net loss for him. They can dismiss MS as a state that neither of them are going to win in a GE all they want but she still has a good sized lead. I’m surprised he’s doing as well as he is but this isn’t a wreck for Clinton if she does in fact lose, it’s more of a speed bump.
Ironically Trump is winning by bigger than I expected he would. I thought Kasich might make things interesting.
re: #73 Nyet
They’re doing it just to fuck with us./
This Cook County native wonders if skulduggery might be in progress.
re: #73 Nyet
They’re doing it just to fuck with us./
It’s a metaphor for the broken urban infrastructure.
Large urban precincts are almost always the last to come in, just a fact of American politics.
Charles, I wouldn’t be surprised if you have no control over this, but I noticed some interesting behavior: If I have to scroll the contents of a popup, it also scrolls the page below it. I’ve seen this on Windows with IE, Linux with Firefox, and Chrome on Android.
re: #78 HappyWarrior
I’m not surprised as such, everybody said MI was a state Bernie was supposed to win. It’s the polls that threw in the monkey wrench.
Megyn to Wasserman Schultz: GOPers May Be ‘Vulgar,’ But None of Them May Face Indictment https://t.co/MH0IRiD59f pic.twitter.com/iwkToWxtwy
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) March 9, 2016
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This Cook County native wonders if skulduggery might be in progress.
Grow up. You know goddamned well this is entirely typical across the US.
re: #83 Nyet
I’m not surprised as such, everybody said MI was a state Bernies was supposed to win. It’s the polls that threw in the money wrench.
Oh okay.
re: #78 HappyWarrior
I mean as I said if he does win, he will have done better than expected but today will still be a net loss for him. They can dismiss MS as a state that neither of them are going to win in a GE all they want but she still has a good sized lead. I’m surprised he’s doing as well as he is but this isn’t a wreck for Clinton if she does in fact lose, it’s more of a speed bump.
Oh, this is huge for him. First off, it throws all of the polling in the midwest into question, and with Ohio and Illinois voting next week, if this translates into momentum, if he can pull off those two wins, it will change the narrative of the race.
Will it change it enough that he can overcome the 200 delegate deficit he faces? I doubt that, but it will prolong the nomination at least a month.
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This Cook County native wonders if skulduggery might be in progress.
In Wisconsin that’s why Waukesha county waits till last to see how many extra boxes of ballots have to be found for Walker to win.
re: #84 Lidane
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No GOPers facing indictment? Uh you might want to check that Megyn.
re: #87 Ubiq
Oh, this is huge for him. First off, it throws all of the polling in the midwest into question, and with Ohio and Illinois voting next week, if this translates into momentum, if he can pull off those two wins, it will change the narrative of the race.
Will it change it enough that he can overcome the 200 delegate deficit he faces? I doubt that, but it will prolong the nomination at least a month.
I guess so. Anyhow is what it is in any case.
I talked to a Republican Friend.
She has gotten to the point that she said she would want a certain woman to win the election.
She understood why I am so frustrated with Sanders supporters too. I am very concerned that the emoprogs will pout and not turn out in February.
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This Cook County native wonders if skulduggery might be in progress.
This Cook County native concurs.
Truthfully, those Trump Steaks look pretty…
Wait, when’s the last time anyone saw Jeb Bush?
OH MY GOD!! pic.twitter.com/A5IuaZOLD9— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) March 9, 2016
re: #91 Ziggy_TARDIS
I talked to a Republican Friend.
She has gotten to the point that she said she would want a certain woman to win the election.
She understood why I am so frustrated with Sanders supporters too. I am very concerned that the emoprogs will pout and not turn out in February.
I’m hoping they turn out in November.
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This Cook County native wonders if skulduggery might be in progress.
As I said, we always get my part of VA counted late in the game so no it’s not that.
re: #88 William Lewis
Did they ever find evidence of fraud there?
Arrested throwing suspicious objects over the White House fence…
Someone working hard to establish that batshit crazy defense
Suspect in Idaho pastor shooting arrested at The White House https://t.co/y2IFqmht0h pic.twitter.com/R0ScRQa2Ey
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) March 9, 2016
Pace yourselves, folks…we have 8 months in which to throw around ridiculous accusations of voter fraud.
Smaller population centers are faster to count than bigger ones.
SCIENCE.
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Grow up. You know goddamned well this is entirely typical across the US.
Sorry, but I agree with Dark. Flint ran out of Dem ballots for two hours today. Polls being that far off? Possible, sure. I’m not sure it’s innocent.
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Grow up. You know goddamned well this is entirely typical across the US.
I know for a fact that in Virginia, we always get NOVA’s results in last. I don’t know if you guys remember but it briefly looked like Romney could win Va. Now granted Mitt and Bernie obviously have different demos voting for them and there’s a lot fewer people voting in Michigan tonight but the same principle applies here.
re: #101 HappyWarrior
I know for a fact that in Virginia, we always get NOVA’s results in last. I don’t know if you guys remember but it briefly looked like Romney could win Va. Now granted Mitt and Bernie obviously have different demos voting for them and there’s a lot fewer people voting in Michigan tonight but the same principle applies here.
Yep, with Norfolk added as well.
Always last.
re: #98 bratwurst
Pace yourselves, folks…we have 8 months in which to throw around ridiculous accusations of voter fraud.
I’m not saying fraud. I’m saying shenanigans. Not the same thing.
re: #102 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Yep, with Norfolk added as well.
Always last.
We have a lot of tight elections too so man it’s crazy to watch.
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
Kwame’s in Club Fed, and Duggan isn’t the kind of machine politics guy like Kilpatrick and Coleman Young was.
re: #101 HappyWarrior
I know for a fact that in Virginia, we always get NOVA’s results in last. I don’t know if you guys remember but it briefly looked like Romney could win Va. Now granted Mitt and Bernie obviously have different demos voting for them and there’s a lot fewer people voting in Michigan tonight but the same principle applies here.
Exactly, it just takes more time to count and verify large precincts. It’s a problem of basic logistics that you will literally see in every state.
It’ not a conspiracy folks.
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
Exactly, it just takes more time to count and verify large precincts. It’s a problem of basic logistics that you will literally see in every state.
It’ not a conspiracy folks.
Get off my grassy knoll.
re: #100 MsJ
Sorry, but I agree with Dark. Flint ran out of Dem ballots for two hours today. Polls being that far off? Possible, sure. I’m not sure it’s innocent.
And I said that I wonder. I’m not making allegations at this point.
Although as far as Flint goes, if Trump wins the nomination it’ll be fun to watch him promise Flint “brand-new stainless-steel pipes!” while also promising to slap Gov. Snyder in the face with his dick.
/He’d say it.
Well Harry on 538 thinks it’s a lot for Clinton overcome. I dunno. i just think it’s going to end up closer than it is now.
re: #109 retired cynic
The BEST pipes.
Classy ones too. But really if Trump did criticize Snyder, that would be a plus.
re: #107 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Get off my grassy knoll.
Sorry but no. The city was planning to cut down that tree you built your sniper hide in, so I’ve chained you to the tree to make sure it isn’t cut down.
re: #110 HappyWarrior
Well Harry on 538 thinks it’s a lot for Clinton overcome. I dunno. i just think it’s going to end up closer than it is now.
At this point, I don’t think it matters much.
Delegates would be nearly/evenly split.
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
I now know of one Republican who will support anyone else against Trump.
My Republican friend did defend Sanders to me. She pointed out that he is a very nice man, and stand up guy in the Senate.
I have cooled down against him for now. It really, really bothers me how cultish and mean his supporters have acted though. But, considering how my first reflex is to respond in kind times 10, I have no room to talk.
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
Exactly, it just takes more time to count and verify large precincts. It’s a problem of basic logistics that you will literally see in every state.
It’ not a conspiracy folks.
You’ll see the exact same thing in Washington State with Seattle’s returns, in Oregon with Portland’s, in California with returns from SF and Los Angeles, in New Mexico with Albuquerque and Santa Fe, in Florida with Miami. In general elections it usually shows up as an early Republican lead if the State is at all close which then evaporates towards the end, but it’s the exact same phenomenon.
re: #113 Not a Sparkly Vampire
At this point, I don’t think it matters much.
Delegates would be nearly/evenly split.
Yeah it’s just bragging rights at this point.
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
You’ll see the exact same thing in Washington State with Seattle’s returns, in Oregon with Portland’s, in California with returns from SF and Los Angeles, in New Mexico with Albuquerque and Santa Fe, in Florida with Miami. In general elections it usually shows up as an early Republican lead if the State is at all close which then evaporates towards the end, but it’s the exact same phenomenon.
Never knew that about other states but it of course makes sense. Is there still nothing in from Detroit on the thing you posted earlier?
re: #117 HappyWarrior
Yeah it’s just bragging rights at this point.
Those Mississippi numbers though.
Damn.
Keith Olbermann just made a historical point that makes me sad.
The sad part:
And it isn’t as though the American electorate hasn’t always had a soft spot for exactly the worst possible person for the presidency. Two months before the 1864 vote, some Republicans were so thoroughly convinced that Abraham Lincoln would lose in a landslide that they proposed to hold a second Republican convention and nominate somebody to run in his place. The Democrat they feared, George B. McClellan, was not only probably the worst general in the history of the country, but also his campaign platform was predicated on stopping the Civil War, giving the South whatever it wanted, running the greatest president in history out of town and repudiating the Emancipation Proclamation. Even after the North’s victory at Atlanta turned the tide of the war and thus the election, McClellan — anti-Union, anti-Lincoln, anti-victory and pro-slavery — still got 45 percent of the all-Northern vote.
There could still be enough idiots to elect Trump this November. Hell, I was stupid enough to move into one of his buildings. But here in those buildings, even as I pack, is the silver lining hidden amid the golden Donald trumpery.
re: #114 Ziggy_TARDIS
I now know of one Republican who will support anyone else against Trump.
My Republican friend did defend Sanders to me. She pointed out that he is a very nice man, and stand up guy in the Senate.
I have cooled down against him for now. It really, really bothers me how cultish and mean his supporters have acted though. But, considering how my first reflex is to respond in kind times 10, I have no room to talk.
You just have to realize that there are supporters and opponents of every candidate who are going to be good people, bad people, and all in between. Your conscience has led you to support Clinton, that’s great, alot of people has led them to support Sanders. That doesn’t make them enemies. As I said I got probably more Sanders supporters in my family than Clinton ones.
re: #117 HappyWarrior
Yeah it’s just bragging rights at this point.
For Bernie, a win is big because it shows he can win a big, diverse state that can be expected to be heavily contested in November. If he is going to have a real shot at the nomination, Michigan is exactly one of the kind of states Sanders has to win.
The Guardian’s realtime feed says they’re at 81% counted-still too close to call.
A Pyrrhic victory?
re: #123 Big Beautiful Door
For Bernie, a win is big because it shows he can win a big, diverse state that can be expected to be heavily contested in November. If he is going to have a real shot at the nomination, Michigan is exactly one of the kind of states Sanders has to win.
True that. It will be a bigger win for him than her at this point I do concede.
If Bernie actually wins in Michigan get ready for the Sandbaggers to be more obnoxious than ever.
Confessions of a Republican (LBJ 1964 Presidential campaign commercial) … https://t.co/eBj2mqenq4 via @YouTube
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) March 9, 2016
“Just because a man sounds a little irresponsible during a campaign doesn’t mean he’s going to act irresponsibly. You know that theory that the White House makes the man.
I don’t buy that.”
Here’s the bottom line: whether Sanders wins in Michigan or not, Clinton is crushing him on delegates.
Gang, as much as I’d like to hang around, I’m meeting up with the rest of the crew at 3:15 am to load the van(s) and head to the airport. Gear is loaded up, I’m going to take a shower and shave the head, then try to rest for a few hours before getting up and doing it.
I’ll try and post some pictures from Mexico, don’t know what my internet is going to be like, worst part is that I’ll be down there for the the big WTA contests on the 15th. And Today I turned 58, so I am officially approaching middle aged.
Somebody remember to feed the cat while I’m gone.
RBS
re: #127 teleskiguy
If Bernie actually wins in Michigan get ready for the Sandbaggers to be more obnoxious than ever.
re: #128 Not a Sparkly Vampire
83-16.1.
Utterly annihilated.
Blues is an understatement.
I think you missed the reference given what state we’re talking here.
Meanwhile, Kim Jong-Un has announced some unlikely things.
North Korea’s state media reports Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un, in comments released today, states the country has miniaturized nuclear warheads to be mounted on ballistic missiles, and has ordered improvements in the power and precision of its arsenal.
re: #127 teleskiguy
If Bernie actually wins in Michigan get ready for the Sandbaggers to be more obnoxious than ever.
I’d expect nothing less.
re: #134 HappyWarrior
I think you missed the reference given what state we’re talking here.
I just got it.
:/
re: #127 teleskiguy
If Bernie actually wins in Michigan get ready for the Sandbaggers to be more obnoxious than ever.
True, but that’s not his fault. It’s a dangerous thing for a candidate to criticize his political base, even if they are being deranged, in the Age of Inflated Egos.
Damn it!
#AFG Doctors Jalalabad, 8year old child died this morning.He was injured last night by gunfire ” celebrating”cricket win. @moispokesman
— Bilal Sarwary (@bsarwary) March 9, 2016
re: #130 Charles Johnson
Here’s the bottom line: whether Sanders wins in Michigan or not, Clinton is crushing him on delegates.
That unfairly counts unpledged delegates, who could change their minds!//
re: #137 Not a Sparkly Vampire
I just got it.
:/
Oh, I got beat in every county. Baby, you know what that’s like!
re: #97 FormerDirtDart
Arrested throwing suspicious objects over the White House fence…
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He figures that if he’s going to prison, better Springfield Federal than a state prison.
re: #119 HappyWarrior
Never knew that about other states but it of course makes sense. Is there still nothing in from Detroit on the thing you posted earlier?
re: #139 Ziggy_TARDIS
The Imams can put out Fatwas, and the government can ban it, but with the War against the Taliban continuing, they will still have to deal with the nimrods.
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
Wow. I wonder if Nate and them know that because they still think it’s hard though not impossible for Clinton to overturn the deficit. Detroit’s a good amount of votes.
re: #135 Ziggy_TARDIS
Meanwhile, Kim Jong-Un has announced some unlikely things.
And if its true it won’t make as much difference as he thinks. If he were to fire an ICBM at the US our ABMs would blow it out of the sky, after which we’d get started with a retaliation that would end with his regime’s collapse.
re: #135 Ziggy_TARDIS
Iran showed off their missles today-I think they’re more of an issue than the Centauri-haired Pyongyang punk.
Just realized though. Some fine music in both states tonight.
That 1964 commercial just kills the GOP.
“I don’t believe in party unity, because if you unite behind a man you don’t believe in, its a lie.”
“When the head of the KKK, when all these weird groups come in favor of the candidate of my party, either they’re not Republicans or I’m not.”
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
What the hey? How come the Guardian has 92% reported, and a big spread and not many votes left to count? CNN at the same reporting % has a very different count. I’m just not understanding this one! If it wasn’t nearly bedtime, I’d need coffee!
Shaun King has been pretty insufferable as of late with his reporting.
Forget it. @ShaunKing should stick to the police brutality beat; he’s got no understanding of primary process. @darthstar99 @NYDailyNews
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) March 8, 2016
I’m about at wits end with him, I’m this close to unfollowing.
I dunno, I find it difficult to believe that Detroit is still at 0. It’s been there for a while now.
re: #144 Ziggy_TARDIS
The Imams can put out Fatwas, and the government can ban it, but with the War against the Taliban continuing, they will still have to deal with the nimrods.
Even the Gun Owners of America have warned against “celebratory” gunfire, but every year some morons do it anyways. Some people are simply too stupid to operate complex machines.
re: #152 teleskiguy
Shaun King has been pretty insufferable as of late with his reporting.
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I’m about at wits end with him, I’m this close to unfollowing.
Reminds me of my own brother. One of the most passionate voices I know about police brutality and someone who has witnessed how bigoted the police can be first hand but someone who is a bit naive about electoral politics. I find it harder to get genuinely upset since too often their heart’s in the right place but not their head. A lot easier to deal with someone who has one in the wrong place rather than both.
Clock is concerned pic.twitter.com/R1t37cJf1a
— Faces in Things (@FacesPics) March 9, 2016
re: #148 Eric The Fruit Bat
I think things are going to change in Iran.
Frankly, I am more worried about the bile Saudi spills out than Iran.
And I am nominally Sunni.
re: #150 Kragar
That 1964 commercial just kills the GOP.
“I don’t believe in party unity, because if you unite behind a man you don’t believe in, its a lie.”
“When the head of the KKK, when all these weird groups come in favor of the candidate of my party, either they’re not Republicans or I’m not.”
They weren’t Republicans, and Barry Goldwater never associated with the Klan or their ilk. LBJ was playing dirty and it worked, but it was still wrong to do.
re: #151 retired cynic
What the hey? How come the Guardian has 92% reported, and a big spread and not many votes left to count? CNN at the same reporting % has a very different count. I’m just not understanding this one! If it wasn’t nearly bedtime, I’d need coffee!
That 0% reporting tweet is from hours ago. So forget my comment!
CNN showed Bernie’s lead going from 34K to 26K to 17K in about 20 minutes.
I have Guardian at 84.3%. Bernie fell under 50%.
re: #152 teleskiguy
Shaun King has been pretty insufferable as of late with his reporting.
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I’m about at wits end with him, I’m this close to unfollowing.
I did months ago. The BS got too deep.
re: #129 Kragar
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“Just because a man sounds a little irresponsible during a campaign doesn’t mean he’s going to act irresponsibly. You know that theory that the White House makes the man.
I don’t buy that.”
That was great.
re: #162 HappyWarrior
I have Guardian at 84.3%. Bernie fell under 50%.
At the end of this we’ll need new nails.
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
I am wondering if that site is up to date, CNN has wayne county 83% in. That page you linked looks pretty static, I am guessing it just isn’t being updated live. There are way too many 0% reporting on there.
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
If I were the mayor of Jalalabad, I would find a moderate Imam who is at the same time known for having a temper that goes off like this.
And yell at the people in town for doing this. There’s enough in the Quran to blast every person there with both damn barrels. Make it a sermon that they will never forget.
re: #132 Reality Based Steve
Gang, as much as I’d like to hang around, I’m meeting up with the rest of the crew at 3:15 am to load the van(s) and head to the airport. Gear is loaded up, I’m going to take a shower and shave the head, then try to rest for a few hours before getting up and doing it.
I’ll try and post some pictures from Mexico, don’t know what my internet is going to be like, worst part is that I’ll be down there for the the big WTA contests on the 15th. And Today I turned 58, so I am officially approaching middle aged.
Somebody remember to feed the cat while I’m gone.
RBS
Happy Birthday Steve! Have a great trip.
re: #169 danarchy
I am wondering if that site is up to date, CNN has wayne county 83% in. That page you linked looks pretty static, I am guessing it just isn’t being updated live. There are way too many 0% reporting on there.
Maybe. Still expect Detroit to come in last though.
re: #161 KingKenrod
CNN showed Bernie’s lead going from 34K to 26K to 17K in about 20 minutes.
Yeah Wayne county went from 60% reporting to 83%
It’s going to be close in the end for whoever does win it.
re: #152 teleskiguy
Shaun King has been pretty insufferable as of late with his reporting.
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I’m about at wits end with him, I’m this close to unfollowing.
He’s always been insufferable and showed no care for facts.
Close up of the “Trump Steaks.” Does that say Bush Brothers? There’s a Bush Brothers in WPB https://t.co/hhdMzBTBrJ pic.twitter.com/Ro3BiwwXkC
— Greg Pollowitz (@GPollowitz) March 9, 2016
Hah, what a fraud.
bush-brothers.com
re: #177 HappyWarrior
It’s going to be close in the end for whoever does win it.
That’s great news for John McCain.
So very early in Idaho but looks like Cruz-Trump-Rubio there.
re: #164 HappyWarrior
BSBS?
Shaun got really full of himself. Insufferable is an understatement. When Deray called him out on shady financial dealings, the Shaun became unhinged. He was attacking Deray big time. I checked out at that point.
I’m a really low drama person. I don’t like it in my personal life. I sure as shit don’t need it online.
re: #180 jaunte
Nice but I can get better steaks at the Paulina Market.
re: #185 MsJ
Shaun got really full of himself. Insufferable is an understatement. When Deray called him out on shady financial dealings, the Shaun became unhinged. He was attacking Deray big time. I checked out at that point.
I’m a really low drama person. I don’t like it in my personal life. I sure as shit don’t need it online.
Gotcha. It’s too bad.
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Nice but I can get better steaks at the Paulina Market.
Well being in Chicago, I’d hope so because I wouldn’t buy anything from a man like Trump.
re: #180 jaunte
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Hah, what a fraud.
bush-brothers.com
where did that pic come from? the ones at press conference weren’t wrapped and all looked like cowboy cut steaks
re: #180 jaunte
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Ha!
Every stupid, little god damned thing about Trump is a fraud.
Guardian’s results show one county in NW Michigan still hasn’t counted yet.
I think he wins this. Seems like a lot to overcome for her but who knows been wrong before and will be wrong again.
re: #193 danarchy
Seems to be from here:
AP reporter at the event.
And the steaks. Aide says they’re real Trump steaks, but can’t see any labels pic.twitter.com/tcxyu7TiQ8
— Jill Colvin (@colvinj) March 9, 2016
Cruz ahead by several points in idaho. He’ll probably win, giving him something to crow about. Rubio might even finish in the money there.
Rubio will probably win Hawaii - he’ll be sure to brag about that.
re: #201 freetoken
Cruz ahead by several points in idaho. He’ll probably win, giving him something to crow about. Rubio might even finish in the money there.
Rubio will probably win Hawaii - he’ll be sure to brag about that.
That sounds right to me. Not surprised about Cruz winning in Idaho.
BREAKING: Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic presidential primary in Michigan. @AP race call at 11:30 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 9, 2016
re: #200 jaunte
Were they frozen for 10 years or something? Because no Trump steaks are being produced now.
re: #200 jaunte
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Such a blatant liar. SAD.
re: #204 Charles Johnson
OK, but that was pretty close.
re: #205 Nyet
It looks like the Trump campaign just ordered them in from a Palm Beach supplier.
“Any steak can be a Trump steak after Trump has blessed it.”
re: #212 jaunte
“Any steak can be a Trump steak after Trump has blessed it.”
Better not to think what that means.
A contested convention… in a race between two candidates.
This man is paid to comment about this stuff.
re: #214 Testy Toad T
A contested convention… in a race between two candidates.
This man is paid to comment about this stuff.
Where can I get in on this scam???
re: #216 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Where can I get in on this scam???
I think you have to join the College Republicans.
BREAKING: Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic presidential primary in Michigan. @AP race call at 11:30 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 9, 2016
Little Marco got just 5% of Mississippi.
He learnt the hard way that the white folk there don’t take to brown people, especially if they speak Spanish.
re: #216 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Where can I get in on this scam???
You just have to choose the right words…
re: #219 freetoken
Little Marco got just 5% of Mississippi.
He learnt the hard way that the white folk there don’t take to brown people, especially if they speak Spanish.
Cruz speaks Spanish too I believe but he knows that it may as well be speaking Arabic to the GOP electorate.
re: #50 MsJ
Literally doesn’t mean literally anymore. There’s no word for literally any longer.
That is figuratively bullshit.
That is a shocking win. Next week is going to be a lot more interesting than I thought.
Those who are saying this doesn’t matter are wrong, IMHO. Not mathematically, but now Bernie just won’t leave.
re: #225 Nyet
Those who are saying this doesn’t matter are wrong, IMHO. Not mathematically, but now Bernie just won’t leave.
May not be the worst thing in the world.
re: #225 Nyet
Those who are saying this doesn’t matter are wrong, IMHO. Not mathematically, but now Bernie just won’t leave.
I never thought he’d leave in the first place.
re: #227 Not a Sparkly Vampire
I never thought he’d leave in the first place.
I was going to say the same. My impression was he was in it until she clinched.
Congrats to Sanders on Michigan, but the fact is Clinton still has a huge lead in delegates - more than double Bernie’s number.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) March 9, 2016
re: #228 No Depression
NO CUZ HILLARY RIGGED TEH PRIMARY WITH SUPERDELEGATES!1!!1!!!!1
BERNIE IS A SUPER DELEGATE!
HE’S IN ON IT!!!
I will cool down on Sanders. The fact that my Republican friend defended him and his character has calmed me down.
Our inbox just now. pic.twitter.com/5MqhEttGRx
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) March 9, 2016
They still don’t understand the whole delegate thing though.
:)
re: #232 Ziggy_TARDIS
I will cool down on Sanders. The fact that my Republican friend defended him and his character has calmed me down.
Ironic that it took a Republican defending him to cool you down heh.
re: #220 Ziggy_TARDIS
Damn it.
Don’t get your panties tied in a knot. See the forest through the trees, tortoise and the hare, stuff like that. It’s cool, yo.
re: #201 freetoken
Cruz ahead by several points in idaho. He’ll probably win, giving him something to crow about. Rubio might even finish in the money there.
Rubio will probably win Hawaii - he’ll be sure to brag about that.
Win Hawaii or not, Rubio has had a terrible night. He should withdraw now, though I assume he’ll play his hand out and hope the Florida polls have been as bad as the Michigan polls in the democratic race were.
Yeah, but he is going to push HRC to the left, which is a good thing. Her husband was one of the most effective Republican Presidents of the last century.
re: #233 jaunte
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re: #239 austin_blue
Yeah, but he is going to push HRC to the left, which is a good thing. Her husband was one of the most effective Republican Presidents of the last century.
That’s why I am not upset. If he can do that, it’s cool to me.
Oh puh-leez!
The pucker factor in the DNC offices tomorrow will be off the charts. pic.twitter.com/AdInZGlU8g
— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) March 9, 2016
re: #42 HappyWarrior
Then what about Independents who make up a fair chunk of the population?
They can vote in the general. But if they’re independents, why should they have a say in who the party chooses as its candidate? (Kinda like Bernie suddenly expecting the Democratic Party to be all sunshine, lollipops and roses about him.)
I’m all for closed primaries. Sigh.
re: #241 Nyet
DD has a huge egg on their faces.
With 538 right behind them. I suspect the reports of Democrats using the open primaries to vote in the Repub race was his way of trying to avoid taking a heaping bite of crow.
I think that the numbers in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula (think Canadian border) put Sanders over the top - he and Clinton ran pretty much neck-and-neck in the industrial cities, he had a slight lead in college towns like Ann Arbor and East Lansing, and Clinton had a distinct advantage in heavily urban areas like Detroit.
We’re way too over reliant on polls.
re: #243 teleskiguy
Oh puh-leez!
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Clinton still gained more delegates than she lost tonight Matt. I mean it’s a nice win for him but go ahead stay focused on that and ignore that he lost big in MS.
re: #244 BeachDem
They can vote in the general. But if they’re independents, why should they have a say in who the party chooses as its candidate? (Kinda like Bernie suddenly expecting the Democratic Party to be all sunshine, lollipops and roses about him.)
I’m all for closed primaries. Sigh.
Especially when Bernie is doing dick to support the DNC and the downticket contenders.
Seriously, fuck Bernie, because he’s running as an “independent” with a D by his name since he’d had no chance in hell outside the two major parties; DWS should have never let him.
Welcome to the Most Difficult Election Ever.
re: #247 Not a Sparkly Vampire
We’re way too over reliant on polls.
We can’t ban them, but it would be interesting to watch a race in which no polling done, and the media focused on issues instead of the horse race.
re: #243 teleskiguy
Oh puh-leez!
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It’s ‘08 all over again. “Yeah, we won Michigan! Bernie’s winning more states! And if he doesn’t get the nomination, it’s because the party rigged the game for Hillary!”
re: #244 BeachDem
They can vote in the general. But if they’re independents, why should they have a say in who the party chooses as its candidate? (Kinda like Bernie suddenly expecting the Democratic Party to be all sunshine, lollipops and roses about him.)
I’m all for closed primaries. Sigh.
I’ll have to think about it more carefully. The more I do think about it, the more I do see open primaries as a relic from a time when there was more crossover in ideologies that existed in the two parties.
Updated numbers: Delegates
Michigan: Sanders 63-53
Mississippi: Clinton 28-1
Clinton net gain: 17— Steve D (@Steverocks35) March 9, 2016
Sigh. Did all these ‘pundits’ suddenly forget what the delegates are all about?
Good grief.
re: #243 teleskiguy
Oh puh-leez!
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It’s depressing to see this many people on the left who don’t understand basic math.
re: #255 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Sigh. Did all these ‘pundits’ suddenly forget what the delegates are all about?
Good grief.
They did the same in ‘08, though back then it was Hillary posting “wins” on the scoreboard even when the delegate count was a dead heat or edging in Obama’s favor.
re: #254 Charles Johnson
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re: #250 Great White Snark
Welcome to the Most Difficult Election Ever.
This one’s a bastard the likes of which most if not all of us have never seen. I wish we had voices like Hunter S. Thompson, Frank Zappa and George Carlin around for times like these.
In order for Bernie to have any chance at all he’d have to beat Clinton by some nonsense like 50 points or more in the rest of the states.
re: #255 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Sigh. Did all these ‘pundits’ suddenly forget what the delegates are all about?
Good grief.
Oh, they know, they just conveniently “forget” to inform their readers/viewers, because it’s in their interest to keep the inter-party and intra-party horse races going all the way to Election Day in November.
re: #245 Targetpractice
With 538 right behind them. I suspect the reports of Democrats using the open primaries to vote in the Repub race was his way of trying to avoid taking a heaping bite of crow.
No comparison with 538. They predict based on polls and the polls were off. DDHQ on the other hand is more of a primary monitor, like the Guardian and CNN. And only an idiot would call the race for Bernie during the primary itself with 10% or so of the votes in. If you call a close race, you do it at 90% or so.
Here is their “explanation”:
re: #261 Not a Sparkly Vampire
In order for Bernie to have any chance at all he’d have to beat Clinton by some nonsense like 50 points or more in the rest of the states.
I’m still amazed how little support he has from elected officials. Call it the establishment all you want but Clinton’s got a lot of legitimate liberal and progressive voices that think she’s the better choice and there’s a reason for that.
I’m probably just going to send this to anybody in my immediate internet social media if they say Bernie’s going to win it all.
re: #264 HappyWarrior
I’m still amazed how little support he has from elected officials. Call it the establishment all you want but Clinton’s got a lot of legitimate liberal and progressive voices that think she’s the better choice and there’s a reason for that.
Couldn’t be that Sanders is basically all hat and no cattle, could it?
Which is why I’m not concerned about all this.
re: #230 Charles Johnson
Just for the record, I hate it when the superdelegates are lumped in with the normal delegates at this stage. If the election gets close, the superdelegates who currently are supporting Hillary will start to buckle to pressure to support who won their state. That’s what happened in 2008.
And it’s unnecessary. Hillary is now up about 225 normal delegates. Bernie needs to win some big states to have a chance - and he needs to win them by a lot more than the 1% he won Michigan.
re: #265 teleskiguy
I’m probably just going to send this to anybody in my immediate internet social media this if they say Bernie’s going to win it all.
I’m not on FB right now becaues I know it’s filled with a lot of obnoxiousness. I mean they did earn this win tonight in Michigan but as Charles correctly points out, Clinton did gain 17 delegates tonight. He needs to actually have nights where he outgains her and he’s had few of those.
re: #266 TedStriker
Couldn’t be that Sanders is a basically a dudebro that’s all hat and no cattle, could it?
Could be but it still amazes me that even Cruz had more Congressional endorsements. I haven’t read about Bernie being disliked by his Democratic colleagues the way Cruz is by fellow Republicans.
re: #261 Not a Sparkly Vampire
In order for Bernie to have any chance at all he’d have to beat Clinton by some nonsense like 50 points or more in the rest of the states.
Bernie needs to win something like 50-60% of the remaining delegates up for grabs to win the nomination. With these sorts of “wins,” that’s not going to happen. About his only hope at this point is to somehow start peeling off superdelegates, and the odds of that happening when the entrance/exit polls show how polarizing a candidate he is make that unlikely.
re: #267 Not a Sparkly Vampire
Which is why I’m not concerned about all this.
Just as long as our country doesn’t do something stupid in November and give the WH keys back to the Republicans, I’m happy. I just strongly think that the best chance to prevent that from happening is Clinton.
“To The Point:”
“I think the Republican Party deserves to die. Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan were too moderate to be elected today”
Bruce Bartlett:
former columnist for Forbes; domestic policy advisor to President Reagan and Treasury Department economist under President George H.W. Bush.
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re: #265 teleskiguy
I’m probably just going to send this to anybody in my immediate internet social media if they say Bernie’s going to win it all.
You know, I’d never heard of a blue footed booby before something like a year ago. I’m 56. Now, I’m kinda in love with them.
vinepair.com
Not a very good review of Drumpf wine. His son actually owns it.
re: #273 BeenHereAwhile
“To The Point:”
“I think the Republican Party deserves to die. Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan were too moderate to be elected today”
Bruce Bartlett:
former columnist for Forbes; domestic policy advisor to President Reagan and Treasury Department economist under President George H.W. Bush.[forward to 18:50]
I personally thought they deserved to die a painful death the way Reagan went to the Neshoba County fairgrounds and started talking about states rights in the county where three Civil Rights workers were brutally murdered for helping registering people to vote.
re: #276 Charles Johnson
I’m sure Sanders supporters will point out that Superdelegates’ minds can be changed.
A guy who writes a once-a-week column in the Vail Daily (our newspaper where I live, what the author calls “Happy Valley” pretty ironically) said something in today’s column that was insightful.
I am amazed, and disappointed, at how many do not seem to understand why “our government allows such an obviously corrupt system to exist” when referring to the primary and caucus process.
It is because the evil government basically has very little to do with it. Though highly regulated by the feds, these are private political parties, and for the most part can do whatever they wish, follow whatever protocols they choose and abide by whatever rules they want in order to pick their very own candidate.
And each state can be completely different from the next within the same party.
It’s like the Broncos choosing their No. 1 draft pick. Every fan on the planet (the voters) can have a say, but in the end John Elway (the super delegate) will choose whomever he thinks is the best fit for the team in the long term.
You can read the column here.
re: #277 VegasGolfer
vinepair.com
Not a very good review of Drumpf wine. His son actually owns it.
Wine is supposed to sound nice. Trump Wine just sounds like toilet water.
re: #279 freetoken
I’m sure Sanders supporters will point out that Superdelegates’ minds can be changed.
Then they need to do that on their own without being assholes. Worked for Obama.
I would like to see her moved to the left on some issues. But I’d also like to if he’s going to stay in the Senate become a better Senator too.
I suppose the reason why people say to ignore the supers is because they think the supers will vote with the majority of the pledged delegates.
And frankly, that’s why I think supers are a bad idea. Suppose Bernie does squeak out a narrow win. As much as I like Hillary to be the nominee, I think it wouldn’t be fair to rob him of his win through the supers. And if they don’t, they’re not needed, the pledged delegates are enough.
Idaho will probably be called for Cruz in the next 15-20 mins.
re: #290 Eric The Fruit Bat
Idaho will probably be called for Cruz in the next 15-20 mins.
After it’s called, I’m going to sleep.
re: #291 HappyWarrior
Idaho - it’s the great Fundamentalist refuge in the mountains.
Mormons too, but they seem to be willing to go along with the fundamentalists if need be.
The most important thing for the Democratic Party is to be unified going into the general election. I know most folks here know this, but it bears repeating; a Republican winning the presidency in the general election will be an unmitigated disaster.
re: #293 freetoken
Idaho - it’s the great Fundamentalist refuge in the mountains.
Mormons too, but they seem to be willing to go along with the fundamentalists if need be.
I think the Fundamentalists hate the Mormons a lot more than the Mormons hate the Fundamentalists.
Thanks to everyone who phone-banked, face-banked, and talked to neighbors. We did it! #MichiganPrimary #Bernie4Prez pic.twitter.com/ouywCqpyJu
— DADDY BERNZ (@berniesanders_1) March 9, 2016
This is frightening. Stop doing this.
re: #289 Nyet
But but but… on the other hand… if the GOP had the superdelegates, they wouldn’t have the Trump problem.
I suppose the superdelegates can be useful when it’s not a two-way race.
Michael Moore just retweeted this, and I think it proves…uh…something.
Dearborn, MI residents have been disproportionately targeted by no-fly list, targeted by FBI/DHS etc. for being Arab/Muslim. Voted Sanders
— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) March 9, 2016
re: #294 teleskiguy
The most important thing for the Democratic Party is to be unified going into the general election. I know most folks here know this, but it bears repeating; a Republican winning the presidency in the general election will be an unmitigated disaster.
Indeed. This is the most important thing. We need to get the Democrats back in control of the Senate and then gradually work to regain the House though I have to say, I think retaking the House could be possible if Trump is the nominee.
re: #298 bratwurst
Michael Moore’ home county went heavily Bernie-which surprised me.
re: #298 bratwurst
Michael Moore just retweeted this, and I think it proves…uh…something.
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I didn’t realize Clinton had control over FBI/DHS. Does Mike know that Clinton had a top aide who was Muslim-American? No problem with the Muslim community of Dearborn thinking Bernie was the better choice for them but it’s sleazy for Mike to imply that Clinton is anti-Muslim or anti-Arab.
re: #298 bratwurst
Jeremy Scahill.
Known for defending Serbian actions in Kosovo.
In 1999, he covered the Kosovo conflict, reporting live from Belgrade and Kosovo itself. In an article in the International Socialist Review, Scahill accused the United Nations Mission in Kosovo UNMIK of being complicit in Albanian atrocities against Serbs.
After Slobadan Milosevic’s death in 2006, Scahill accused the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) of practicing “victors’ justice” and being “a poor substitute for a true international court.”
re: #293 freetoken
Idaho - it’s the great Fundamentalist refuge in the mountains.
Mormons too, but they seem to be willing to go along with the fundamentalists if need be.
That’s why SLC is such a weird place. They elected an openly gay mayor last year. Their punk rock and metal scenes are legendary in such circles. Some of the best skiers in the country all live there or near there (and it’s somewhat a point of fact that skiers are not very conservative politically). Once you leave the Wasatch Front, it’s fundy land for 200 miles in every direction.
re: #264 HappyWarrior
I’m still amazed how little support he has from elected officials. Call it the establishment all you want but Clinton’s got a lot of legitimate liberal and progressive voices that think she’s the better choice and there’s a reason for that.
He’s proudly not a Democrat. Why are you surprised?
re: #303 teleskiguy
Who goes to those sad casinos right over the border in West Wendover NV?
re: #289 Nyet
I suppose the reason why people say to ignore the supers is because they think the supers will vote with the majority of the pledged delegates.
And frankly, that’s why I think supers are a bad idea. Suppose Bernie does squeak out a narrow win. As much as I like Hillary to be the nominee, I think it wouldn’t be fair to rob him of his win through the supers. And if they don’t, they’re not needed, the pledged delegates are enough.
The entire point of the suprdelegates was to prevent another McGovern, avoid another race where the party was shackled to somebody considered unelectable in the general election simply because his supporters could exploit the way the primaries were set up to win the nomination.
Let’s be honest, if we had a Trump-like figure out there running for the Dem nomination, we’d be thankful for the existence of superdelegates. We can talk all we like about wanting to respect the will of the voters, but at the expense of the nation’s future, let alone the party’s future?
re: #302 Ziggy_TARDIS
With this, I won’t even google: probably a Putin apologist.
re: #278 HappyWarrior
I personally thought they deserved to die a painful death the way Reagan went to the Neshoba County fairgrounds and started talking about states rights in the county where three Civil Rights workers were brutally murdered for helping registering people to vote.
I get your point.
That was about a craven political act not seen since Tail Gunner Joe.
But did you listen to what Bruce Bartlett had to say about the Republican Party, Trump supporters, and other Trump naysayers?
re: #304 austin_blue
He’s proudly not a Democrat. Why are you surprised?
True point. Still don’t get if he’s so proud not to be a Democrat, he wants to use that party’s nomination process to run for President so bad and then bitches when they predictably favor one of their own. I’d probably have more respect if he were running legitimately third party if that’s the whole point.
re: #308 BeenHereAwhile
I get your point.
That was about a craven political act not seen since Tail Gunner Joe.
But did you listen to what Bruce Bartlett had to say about the Republican Party, Trump supporters, and other Trump naysayers?
Oh yeah I did. I agree with what he’s saying big time. I just think the Republican Party’s route to this goes way back and it goes to people Mr. Bartlett worked for.
re: #305 jaunte
That’s a damn good question.
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re: #307 Nyet
With this, I won’t even google: probably a Putin apologist.
I hate that element of the left so much and they definitely do exist.
Did we really have 200,000 people ratfuck the GOP primary?
Dem vote count: 1,095,557 total votes
GOP Vote count: 1,237,324 total votes
re: #312 HappyWarrior
I hate that element of the left so much and they definitely do exist.
The regressive left.
re: #309 HappyWarrior
True point. Still don’t get if he’s so proud not to be a Democrat, he wants to use that party’s nomination process to run for President so bad and then bitches when they predictably favor one of their own. I’d probably have more respect if he were running legitimately third party if that’s the whole point.
Valid and cogent argument.
re: #313 Eric The Fruit Bat
Trump was trumpeting his cross-over vote appeal.
re: #313 Eric The Fruit Bat
Did we really have 200,000 people ratfuck the GOP primary?
Dem vote count: 1,095,557 total votes
GOP Vote count: 1,237,324 total votes
I hope not…
re: #307 Nyet
He is incredibly cagey about it, but he very well might be.
He has said things both for and against Putin. (Though, only against when someone pressed him.)
re: #314 Nyet
The regressive left.
I prefer the longer the “totalitarian apologist left.” The ideological descendants of the people who insisted that the USSR’s evils were being exaggerated. As you can guess, I did not like George Galloway and even though I opposed the Iraq War, I found myself sympathizing with Hitchens in their debate.
re: #271 Targetpractice
Bernie needs to win something like 50-60% of the remaining delegates up for grabs to win the nomination. With these sorts of “wins,” that’s not going to happen. About his only hope at this point is to somehow start peeling off superdelegates, and the odds of that happening when the entrance/exit polls show how polarizing a candidate he is make that unlikely.
I did the math last night. He needs to win each state by about 12.5%, on average, to have a chance to get to a majority of normal delegates, which would be necessary for him to make his case that superdelegates should switch. That’s a tall order.
It’s even taller when you’re talking about the fact that he’s behind about 10% in national polling, which means he needs to improve on his current polling about 22.5%. That’s a HUGE swing. But then, in Michigan, he improved on his polling by about 17% tonight.
On one hand, his math got worse tonight, but on the other hand, if this win translates into momentum, and he can hit that 22-25% leap in poll numbers in next week’s numbers, this could become an actual race again.
That being said, I wouldn’t bet on that happening. If nothing else, I see no world where he doesn’t get decimated in NC and FL.
How did @BernieSanders win? 81% of 18-29 yr olds, 55% 30-44 age group, 57% whites, 70% indies 8 in10 those who care most about honesty
— Andrea Mitchell (@mitchellreports) March 9, 2016
Hmm.
re: #249 TedStriker
Especially when Bernie is doing dick to support the DNC and the downticket contenders.
Seriously, fuck Bernie, because he’s running as an “independent” with a D by his name since he’d had no chance in hell outside the two major parties; DWS should have never let him.
Yep. And there are many of us who are active in party politics—organizing precincts, working and donating to the county party and the state party, organizing party events, party conventions, etc. Even in a state like South Carolina, where we have less than no chance in almost every election, we work hard to promote Democratic candidates and the Democratic platform. So open primaries totally piss me off. If you want to have a say in party politics, commit to the damn party!
re: #285 HappyWarrior
Obama got a lead of about 100 delegates, and Hillary never was able to get within 50 again, IIRC.
re: #314 Nyet
Which includes Sam Harris.
Who apparently will not release a debate between him and a Muslim.
re: #315 austin_blue
Valid and cogent argument.
I mean I just think he needs to realize he is seeking this party’s nomination for President. He seems to think that it’s just the issues that are why people should vote for him and to my disappointment he’s shown no to little interest at all in electing other Democrats. I believe there’s even a story about him getting steamed at a reporter who asked him why he doesn’t do more to elect other like minded people. I consider myself part of the party’s left wing. I’m definitely to Clinton’s left but I also want a strong party. I want a party that realizes that even people like me in a conservative area need a sane voice representing them. I’d rather have what many would call a DINO over the right wing asshole I have now in the State Senate who writes letters praising Al-Assad, denies spousal rape is poossible, and says horrible things about women choosing to have aortions. I don’t hate Bernie Sanders. I just think he needs to stop complaining when a party he isn’t even a party of naturally favors one of their own over him.
re: #310 HappyWarrior
Oh yeah I did. I agree with what he’s saying big time. I just think the Republican Party’s route to this goes way back and it goes to people Mr. Bartlett worked for.
Two words:
Southern Strategy
re: #325 Ziggy_TARDIS
Harris is a scumbag, but I don’t see what people have against Wood’s article, sorry. He merely pointed out that ISIS are Muslims, which they absolutely are.
re: #327 BeenHereAwhile
Two words:
Southern Strategy
Right, that’s my point. The Southern Strategy is why a guy like Trump is viable today.
It is interesting to see who still retweets Shaun King.
I’m just ready for the primaries to be done. I’m tired of it.
Hate mail is a regular occurrence. It’s not every day it comes from a retired judge and former CA state senator. pic.twitter.com/iWbF4kMPRW
— Tamara Keith (@tamarakeithNPR) March 9, 2016
re: #329 Great White Snark
Yes but my point is more broad, includes Trump etc.
True, I think strange though is the better word here. Cannot believe Trump is viable as he is. I mean WTF America, that guy.
re: #331 klys (maker of Silmarils)
It is interesting to see who still retweets Shaun King.
Checked… guessed right ;)
re: #233 jaunte
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The Chicago Tribune has sold mugs and T-shirts of that famous Truman picture. Which is probably the best way to cope with something you can’t live down: Laugh at it.
re: #331 klys (maker of Silmarils)
It is interesting to see who still retweets Shaun King.
I’m just ready for the primaries to be done. I’m tired of it.
Primaries will be over just as summer starts. Double win.
Anyway, the crowing of the Bernie supporters at DKos will be insufferable.
re: #328 Nyet
My issue is how Graeme Wood tried to demonize all Muslims in it.
Is there a history of violent nutcases like this? Yes. But it is an overall aberation in Islamic History, and has been quashed a number of times (The two biggest being the Kharijite and the 1st Saudi State).
He went out of his way to try and say it is normal. Which it is not.
re: #339 Ziggy_TARDIS
My issue is how Graeme Wood tried to demonize all Muslims in it.
I didn’t notice that, sorry. I think you’re reading into the article something that is not there.
There was a silly trend for some time to claim that ISIS is not Islamic and whatnot, there was some justified pushback to this trend in the article, but that’s that.
re: #338 Nyet
Anyway, the crowing of the Bernie supporters at DKos will be insufferable.
Meh…throw in Massachusetts, which they were sure he would win. This was close. Either the polls were wrong from the beginning or Hillary just blew it with messaging. She needs to learn from it and move on.
I was always a bit skeptical about the big margin if the MI polls. Still I expected a Hillary win. I am going to celebrate Mississippi Not berning!
And a big FU to those Berniebros, for that awful hashtag.
re: #340 Nyet
Except that the Muslim World has been fighting this, for a very long time.
And he had the gall to gall it mainstream. That is what ticked me off about him.
re: #342 Ziggy_TARDIS
Except that the Muslim World has been fighting this, for a very long time.
And he had the gall to gall it mainstream. That is what ticked me off about him.
Where did he call it mainstream?
re: #342 Ziggy_TARDIS
The word “mainstream” occurs twice in the article:
Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic.
and
Of the Islamic State supporters I met, Musa Cerantonio, the Australian, expressed the deepest interest in the apocalypse and how the remaining days of the Islamic State—and the world—might look. Parts of that prediction are original to him, and do not yet have the status of doctrine. But other parts are based on mainstream Sunni sources and appear all over the Islamic State’s propaganda. These include the belief that there will be only 12 legitimate caliphs, and Baghdadi is the eighth; that the armies of Rome will mass to meet the armies of Islam in northern Syria; and that Islam’s final showdown with an anti-Messiah will occur in Jerusalem after a period of renewed Islamic conquest.
I don’t see him calling ISIS mainstream.
re: #330 HappyWarrior
Right, that’s my point. The Southern Strategy is why a guy like Trump is viable today.
First utilized by the “moderate Nixon.”
Who in addition with opening up relations with China, killed the “Cross Florida Barge Canal.”
Southern Stragety AKA Political Distraction Tactics.
re: #321 jaunte
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This is why I officially hate the Sanders and his campaign. He has promoted the narrative that Hillary Clinton is dishonest. Damage done to Hillary if she wins the nomination. Why would any “Sandbaggers” vote for Hillary if they think she’s dishonest? Many will not.
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