Trump Campaign Manager Assaults Breitbart Reporter, Breitbart Commenters Spew Hatred at Her

No sympathy from the Breitbart audience
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Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski

Last night at a Trump press conference in Florida, Trump’s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski reportedly forcibly grabbed Breitbart “News” reporter Michelle Fields by the arm, almost knocking her to the ground. Fields was trying to ask Trump a question as he exited the press conference.

Fields’ boyfriend Jamie Weinstein of the Daily Caller tweeted about the incident:

If you’ve read LGF for any time at all you know I’m no fan of the Breitbart propaganda gang; in fact I consider them one of the most extreme and hateful right wing “media” sites on the web. But the thuggish violent behavior by Trump, his advisers and his security guards is getting worse every week, and this kind of manhandling of reporters is completely unacceptable.

But what does Breitbart’s knuckle-dragging comment community think of this incident? Surely they’re springing to the defense of this reporter for the website they love so much?

Uh, nope. Just a few of the more than 2000 comments:

And she didn’t understand “Alright. Thank you very much. It’s over.” She has to stand in their path and block them? Did she see what the Secret Service did to that photographer? A little slam dance with the floor. One thing about Trump, he treats men and woman just alike.

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wah.

Trump has more death threats than the last DOZEN candidates combined. These reporters need to keep that in mind…

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Jamie Weinstein sounds like a crybaby cuck or a liberal from Huffpo.

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Please let me pull Michelle Fields to the ground and manhandle her next time…..PLEASE !

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Move out the way or get moved.

Trump 2016

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so? get out the way idiot.

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Ah, BS. Another trivial attempt to try and paint Trump with some disparaging circumstance. FAIL.

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When a press conference is finished …..IT’S FINISHED. Get a clue press. There is a new boss in town. The new rules are in play and DO NOT CROSS THE DONALD. He isn’t going to put up with your bullstuff no matter WHO you are. You have an assigned space….stay within it.

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“Trump always surrounds himself w thugs. Tonight thug Corey Lewandowski tried to pull my gf @MichelleFields to ground when she asked tough q”

Oh please. Another Jew overreacting to any and all things Trump. Annuda Shoah!

Yeah, yeah…”anti-Semitism.” Intelligent, observant people notice patterns, though. Sue me.

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Poor baby. Maybe she needs to stay in her “safe place” rather than trying to be a reporter.

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Breitbart News employs too many establishment RINOs and faux conservatives.

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It’s about time someone put these lying reporters in their place.

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Reporters are low scum. They do not have a right to be on private property unless allowed. There is not any right to free speech private property. When told to move on; move or get moved.

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First of all, how about reporters start respecting the rules laid out by security staff, law enforcement, and bodyguards at public events. ESPECIALLY around Trump who has lots of deranged leftists, from Marxist bums to George Soros himself, wanting to see President Trump murdered.

Second, how about you tell your delicate little female snowflake reporter that if she’s going to act like a tough guy and ignore Security instructions then she should be prepared to handle herself like a tough guy, not go crying to her pathetic boyfriend and bosses that “the meany head boys pushed me too hard”

Bad showing Breitbart. Sad.

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Charge Fields, lock her up. She was a clear and present danger to Donald.

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Boo Hoo, if ya can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen!

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Should have put iron braclets (joined) on her.

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if she was really assaulted she would go to the police, but she wasn’t really assaulted she’s just whoring for attention.

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OMG! The horror! Almost another holocaust according to the offended parties in the piece.

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436 comments
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:35:45am

Behold Breitbart, your own readers. i feel bad for her. No one deserves that at all but I can’t help but to wonder what they’d be writing if it had been a writer from a publication critical of Trump. Congratulations Breitbart, your own readers don’t care what happens to your reporters if Trump’s people rough them up.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:36:35am

The most telling thing here, I think, is the closeness to Trump of the jackass. This isn’t “oh boo hoo pity party I haven’t heard those mean elementary school insults, how dare you hold me accountable”. This is a guy Trump talks to daily.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:38:31am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Behold Breitbart, your own readers. i feel bad for her. No one deserves that at all but I can’t help but to wonder what they’d be writing if it had been a writer from a publication critical of Trump. Congratulations Breitbart, your own readers don’t care what happens to your reporters if Trump’s people rough them up.

Tickling the dragon’s tail has a long and storied history.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:39:42am

re: #3 Testy Toad T

Tickling the dragon’s tail has a long and storied history.

Never heard of that. That’s quite a metaphor. Never heard it before.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:39:50am
Move out the way or get moved.

The people justifying this stuff are the first ones to scream their victimhood if they feel crossed in the slightest.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:40:06am

You know, if Breitbart readers keep this up, they might just get a reputation for being worthless ignorant scum.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:40:43am

As much as I think Trump is the candidate all of these right wing extremists deserve, no one should be assaulted - that’s criminal and frankly we’re seeing Trump’s security apparatus engaging in straight-up thuggish behavior.

Could you imagine the right wing outrage if Clinton’s security team did that? Or Rubio? Or Cruz? Or Bernie?

That they’re finding ways to excuse Trump shows just how debased the whole lot of them are.

When you’re getting folks who are moderate and lefties complaining on behalf of a right wing journalist’s right not to be assaulted by Trump’s security, you know things are pretty fucked up.

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:41:13am

This isn’t even a Trump thing.

- contempt for women
- contempt for journalists (as crypto-liberals)
- celebration of violence as retaliation for being incovenience or “disrespectful”

It was on Breitbart before Trump. It was present in the culture of right before Breitbart.

Trump is just the catalyst; he’s made it feel safe to express this stuff louder and meaner. But he’s only the latest in a long line of cultural catalysts that the US right has let in and made use of.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:43:06am

And yet, somehow, calling Trump a proto-fascist is still not acceptable in polite company?

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:43:42am

re: #8 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Trump is just the catalyst; he’s made it feel safe to express this stuff louder and meaner. But he’s only the latest in a long line of cultural catalysts that the US right has let in and made use of.

In the above analogy, Trump is the slipping of the screwdriver.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:44:18am
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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:44:51am

Priebus says he wants a “G rated” debate on Thursday.

Kind of hard when your two leading candidates are dicks.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:45:04am

re: #9 KGxvi

And yet, somehow, calling Trump a proto-fascist is still not acceptable in polite company?

Is it not, actually? I think that’s a media fiction. Data is not the plural of anecdote, but I’ve encountered exactly zero resistance to that description with friends, family, and coworkers.

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drool  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:46:29am

Trump is a product of the flames fanned by people like the Breitbart gang and now Breitbart is complaining about a dumpster fire? Oh, the irony.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:46:38am

Wait, so Breitbart readers are hating on the Breitbart reporter because of her encounter with Trump manager?

My head is spinning

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:46:42am

re: #12 freetoken

Priebus says he wants a “G rated” debate on Thursday.

Kind of hard when your two leading candidates are dicks.

Since this will be Marco’s final debate, he should try to go out with a little dignity. Maybe fart jokes instead of dick jokes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:46:48am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

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The people who insist she was racist also insist that opposition to civil rights a generation after her work was about states rights.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:46:48am

Beck said ever since Drudge started “hanging out with Alex Jones,” he’s gone to “this weird conspiratorial” place where he can’t even “trust any news coming from him anymore.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:47:15am

re: #5 jaunte

The people justifying this stuff are the first ones to scream their victimhood if they feel crossed in the slightest.

That “Move out the way or get moved,” comment really freaked me out too.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:47:39am

re: #6 Kragar

You know, if Breitbart readers keep this up, they might just get a reputation for being worthless ignorant scum.

They might someday catch up to the writers.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:47:43am

re: #18 Kragar

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He’s always been this way. He just supports a different bigot than you do.

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withak  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:47:46am

re: #18 Kragar

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The right-wing pundit class is eating itself.

Pass the popcorn.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:49:17am

re: #22 withak

The right-wing pundit class is eating itself.

Pass the popcorn.

Might I suggest that rather than us eating popcorn, we hand the pundits seasoning.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:49:24am

re: #18 Kragar

I’m surprised that even Beck was duped into believing that Drudge has any scruples.

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sizzzzlerz  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:49:37am

re: #15 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wait, so Breitbart readers are hating on the Breitbart reporter because of her encounter with Trump manager?

My head is spinning

They’re pack animals. They’ll attack one of their own who is wounded before returning to the chase. Just instinctive behavior.

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:51:36am

re: #18 Kragar

Well, I’m now certain the crazy pills are kicking in.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:53:13am

Balkan Nations Shut Down March of Migrants

The route that more than one million migrants have used to traverse southeastern Europe was effectively shut down Wednesday, when four Balkan nations stopped waving the migrants through on their journey northward.

The four countries — Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia and Macedonia — have closed their borders to new migrants with the implicit backing of the European Union, which announced an agreement with Turkey on Tuesday to slow the flow of migrants.

[…]

Still wondering if there will ever by an American news-person who will ask Trump serious questions about issues like this.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:53:34am

re: #18 Kragar

Beck said ever since Drudge started “hanging out with Alex Jones,” he’s gone to “this weird conspiratorial” place where he can’t even “trust any news coming from him anymore.

Wait, whut?

Crazy Beck saying Drudge crazier than Beck?

Crazy! Sad!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:53:40am
First of all, how about reporters start respecting the rules laid out by security staff, law enforcement, and bodyguards at public events. ESPECIALLY around Trump who has lots of deranged leftists, from Marxist bums to George Soros himself, wanting to see President Trump murdered.

LOL. Soros??

DRINK!

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:53:48am

re: #18 Kragar

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Yes, we know that feeling, Mr. Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:54:40am

re: #29 Dr. Matt

LOL. Soros??

DRINK!

Him being exposed for the lying fraud he is would be better. I don’t want him dead.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:55:39am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

You might want to reword that comment. Just sayin’

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:57:07am

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

You might want to reword that comment. Just sayin’

Done.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:57:13am

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:57:33am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I want

Not trying to put words into your mouth, but that might be a good comment to edit a bit.

That’s what I get for stepping away to eat a cracker.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:58:18am

BTW “Club for Growth” is a Koch front. They could buy Trump with their sofa change.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:58:25am

re: #35 Testy Toad T

Not trying to put words into your mouth, but that might be a good comment to edit a bit.

Yeah fixed already but thanks.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:58:30am

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

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Testy Toad T  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:59:18am

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

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Broken clocks can both schlong and be schlonged. CFG is a pathetic basket of rats.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:59:22am

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

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One

MILLIONS

dollars???????

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:59:29am

Breitbart’s commenters don’t believe in equality for women except when it comes to physical abuse.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 9, 2016 • 11:59:35am

Club for Growth sounds like a penile implant scam.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:00:56pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

This just got tweeted:

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:01:25pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

Presidential. Classy. The Best Tweets.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:01:58pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Breitbart’s commenters don’t believe in equality for women except when it comes to physical abuse.

They’re just a plain wretched group.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:02:13pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

This just got tweeted:

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Thanks. Sigh don’t these assholes get that they lost the gubertorial election here?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:02:44pm

Club for Growth is another shitty group that has been part of the problem for years and now is outraged that Frankenstein’s monster is HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:03:26pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Him being exposed for the lying fraud he is would be better. I don’t want him dead.

He has been exposed as a lying fraud, but his sheeple cult really don’t care at all.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:04:10pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

First of all, how about reporters start respecting the rules laid out by security staff, law enforcement, and bodyguards at public events. ESPECIALLY around Trump who has lots of deranged leftists, from Marxist bums to George Soros himself, wanting to see President Trump murdered.

So we’ve already gone from

We must overthrow the Kenyan Ursurper president in the WH!!!!1 2nd Amendment Solutions!!!11

to

Obey the law and security officers and everybody giving you instructions!!!!!11

And we aren’t even out of the primaries yet.

This quick turnabout happened faster than I imagined.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:04:19pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

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Why bother? He’s winning the nomination on a shoestring budget.

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Dr. Matt  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:04:21pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

“one millions dollars”

Hahaha.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:05:22pm
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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:06:55pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

I’m still slogging through Steve Silberman’s book, Neurotribes; The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity. It’s a long book about our history (mostly in Europe and the US) of dealing with mental illness and how we’ve progressed in our understanding of the human brain and how it works. (NOTE: The following statements are my interpretation of what I’m reading/learning on this topic and not my personal thoughts and opinions. This book is excellent, but it’s challenging and cringeworthy to read because, well, nazis and just how society at large has dealt with those not considered “normal” over time. I’ve had to take breaks from reading because some of the material is just heartbreaking. Still an excellent book, well researched and worth the effort to read)

In Sanger’s day and time eugenics was highly focused on mental illnesses and disabilities being liabilities to humanity. By eliminating those people from the gene pool, it would create a better and happier world. It had little to do with race and more what was deemed “defective” (which yes, for too many people included racial prejudices based on really backward thinking of those times. But eugenics was not at all limited to race) What many hard line conservatives/religious people fail to understand is that a person or even a group of people can, do and should change their views as more new information is found.This is what grown ass people do, if they have any kind of basic intelligence. Fortunately we have science and decades of research and studies that have changed the views of the scientific community and the public at large. As we learn more, I believe we will begin to change what is viewed as “normal” to be a much broader category. Conservative using Sanger as ammunition are the same dumbasses that are using Robert Byrd’s affiliation with the KKK as “proof” that liberals are the REAL racists, ignoring of course that Byrd grew the fuck up and was ashamed of that time in his life.

Sometimes the need to be right about everything completely overrides facts and just fucking basic intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:06:56pm

re: #48 Dr. Matt

He has been exposed as a lying fraud, but his sheeple cult really don’t care at all.

True that. Well an electoral landslide then.

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BeachDem  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:07:02pm

re: #29 Dr. Matt

LOL. Soros??

DRINK!

Yeah, that one got me as well

Trump who has lots of deranged leftists, from Marxist bums to George Soros himself, wanting to see President Trump murdered.

Did I miss a report on these deranged leftist death threats?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:07:19pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Club for Growth is another shitty group that has been part of the problem for years and now is outraged that Frankenstein’s monster is HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

There was a comment floating around the Twitters about how the Republican Party has essentially been one in which the elite consensus prioritizes tax cuts, cuts to government spending, the end of regulation for business, etc, but in which views of social policy as to race, the gays, women, abortion, were flexible to a certain extent. Trump has upended this prioritization to where the social grievances have taken priority and the economic policies have become negotiable.

Club for Growth hates that.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:07:20pm

Donald Trump tried to get me fired after I wrote about Trump University

[…]

Then I got a call from Trump himself, who told me that my work was “inaccurate and libelous.”

I asked what I’d gotten wrong.

“You’ll find out in court,” Trump replied. He then contacted my boss and said that I’m a “nasty guy” and a third-rate reporter.

[…]

Trump has been a bully since forever.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:07:38pm

re: #52 Kragar

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Please tell me that’s not seriously but nothing would shock me with the NRA anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:08:09pm

re: #56 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There was a comment floating around the Twitters about how the Republican Party has essentially been one in which the elite consensus prioritizes tax cuts, cuts to government spending, the end of regulation for business, etc, but in which views of social policy as to race, the gays, women, abortion, were flexible to a certain extent. Trump has upended this prioritization to where the social grievances have taken priority and the economic policies have become negotiable.

Club for Growth hates that.

Yeah that sounds valid to me.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:09:38pm

re: #56 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There was a comment floating around the Twitters about how the Republican Party has essentially been one in which the elite consensus prioritizes tax cuts, cuts to government spending, the end of regulation for business, etc, but in which views of social policy as to race, the gays, women, abortion, were flexible to a certain extent. Trump has upended this prioritization to where the social grievances have taken priority and the economic policies have become negotiable.

Club for Growth hates that.

Though with Trump its all about racism and Islamophobia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:10:21pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

The sad fact is that in the 1920’s many educated people bought into the whole bogus “eugenics” pseudoscience, but only snapped out of it when they saw what one country did with it in the ‘30’s and ‘40’s.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:10:50pm
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Dr. Matt  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:10:51pm

re: #55 BeachDem

Yeah, that one got me as well

Trump who has lots of deranged leftists, from Marxist bums to George Soros himself, wanting to see President Trump murdered.

Did I miss a report on these deranged leftist death threats?

Frankly, I WANT to see Trump as the GOP candidate. He’s dividing the party and will eventually deliver the White House to Hillary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:11:52pm

re: #56 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

There was a comment floating around the Twitters about how the Republican Party has essentially been one in which the elite consensus prioritizes tax cuts, cuts to government spending, the end of regulation for business, etc, but in which views of social policy as to race, the gays, women, abortion, were flexible to a certain extent. Trump has upended this prioritization to where the social grievances have taken priority and the economic policies have become negotiable.

Club for Growth hates that.

Trump hasn’t upended this, he is still in favor of yooge tax cuts for the rich, fewer regulations and less government spending. But now with MOAR RACISM.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:12:12pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Please tell me that’s not seriously but nothing would shock me with the NRA anymore.

I’m sure he was kidding. Though that did remind me that the government takes the position that toddlers can be taught to represent themselves in immigration hearings, so they don’t need lawyers. I am not making this up.

latimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:12:32pm

re: #63 Dr. Matt

Frankly, I WANT to see Trump as the GOP candidate. He’s dividing the party and will eventually deliver the White House to Hillary.

I want Trump as the GOP nominee so the GOP will actually have to confront their problem of created a party for racist assholes by wealthy assholes who use the racist asshole’s resentment for votes.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:12:52pm

re: #8 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Trump is just the catalyst; he’s made it feel safe to express this stuff louder and meaner. But he’s only the latest in a long line of cultural catalysts that the US right has let in and made use of.

As I noted the other day many people are following Trump!™ because he is giving them permission to do what they want to who they want.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:13:00pm

re: #65 Big Beautiful Door

I’m sure he was kidding. Though that did remind me that the government takes the position that toddlers can be taught to represent themselves in immigration hearings, so they don’t need lawyers. I am not making this up.

latimes.com

Right just making sure.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:13:15pm

re: #63 Dr. Matt

Or Sanders.

My Republican Friend has caused me to re-evaluate him as a person.

However, I do not like many of his supporters.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:13:28pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:14:32pm

Can I put this right here? Think I will
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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:15:15pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

Exactly. There’s quite a bit in this book about Nazi Germany because of Hans Asperger and Leo Kanner’s work related to Autism and how best to help children and their families. Neither one of them were angels either, both have blood on their hands.

Maya Angelou once said something to the effect that good people can be measured by the rule that when you know better you do better. I think when it comes to mental illness and various disabilities (I don’t like calling autism a disability either) we’re doing better the more we learn and the more that people living with those things have a voice. We’ll get there, it’s just very slow in a lot of ways.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:16:29pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

It could be argued that eugenics against the mentally ill continues through police violence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:17:18pm

re: #72 A Mom Anon

Exactly. There’s quite a bit in this book about Nazi Germany because of Hans Asperger and Leo Kanner’s work related to Autism and how best to help children and their families. Neither one of them were angels either, both have blood on their hands.

Maya Angelou once said something to the effect that good people can be measured by the rule that when you know better you do better. I think when it comes to mental illness and various disabilities (I don’t like calling autism a disability either) we’re doing better the more we learn and the more that people living with those things have a voice. We’ll get there, it’s just very slow in a lot of ways.

I need to read more about this. I feel weird about it being called a disability too but I know this much, I’m definitely at an a disadvantage bu tI wonder if that’s more because my social presentation is different or that I really am limited. Perhaps it’s a little of both but I’ve always hated and felt uncomfortable attending seminars and going to job fairs for people with disabilities. I don’t feel disabled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:17:35pm
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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:18:13pm

re: #70 Kragar

Ah, the joys of superseding indictments. Curiously, there’s a redacted name in there on count 6. Wonder who that relates to.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:19:10pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Trump hasn’t upended this, he is still in favor of yooge tax cuts for the rich, fewer regulations and less government spending. But now with MOAR RACISM.

They also don’t like his anti-Free Trade, anti-corporations going over seas, etc.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:19:28pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

yep, people are singled out for being “weird”. I am always scared to death this will happen to my son. I know I’m not the only parent or loved one of someone on the autism spectrum with that fear, it happens all the time. Veterans with PTSD are sometimes on that list too.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:19:37pm

re: #18 Kragar

Back in the day, I used to check the Drudge Report regularly, mainly because it was an easy way to aggregate news (At one point while in law school and blogging, I read/browsed the LA Times, the OC Register, the Washington Post, the NY Times, the UK Telegraph, and Drudge; as well as probably 30-40 blogs daily). But it’s probably been over a decade since I’ve checked it more than in just passing.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:20:16pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:21:31pm

I thought we would hear the last screams of defiance in the courts against marriage equality from the Alabama Supreme Court. Turns out there is a homophobic US District Judge in Puerto Rico who ruled the US Constitution doesn’t apply there (it does) and affirmed Puerto Rico’s same-sex marriage ban. Expect a speedy reversal.

slate.com

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:23:04pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I need to read more about this. I feel weird about it being called a disability too but I know this much, I’m definitely at an a disadvantage bu tI wonder if that’s more because my social presentation is different or that I really am limited. Perhaps it’s a little of both but I’ve always hated and felt uncomfortable attending seminars and going to job fairs for people with disabilities. I don’t feel disabled.

I have similar thoughts about the effects of my TBI, with the notable difference of expecting it to go away. That expectation may fade. One of the most notable phrases my new doctor used was, ‘Don’t wait for 100% [recovery], it might not happen.’

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:23:26pm

Being on the spectrum is a way of method acting. I have had so many times where I have to pretend something I’m not.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:23:37pm

re: #80 Kragar

[Embedded content]

And in the darkness bind them!

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:24:11pm

re: #70 Kragar

I wonder whose name is redacted. I saw that throughout this indictment.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:24:14pm

re: #42 Barefoot Grin

Club for Growth sounds like a penile implant scam.

Growth Club For Men. They sell homeopathic hair-regrowth formulas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:25:02pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Ah, the joys of superseding indictments. Curiously, there’s a redacted name in there on count 6. Wonder who that relates to.

Link I posted this morning:

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TedStriker  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:25:24pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Wow still butthurt over Club For Growth but too cheap to buy his own attack ads.

Why should he? Trump has the tonguebathing “liberal” media doing his dirty work for him.

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:25:43pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Ah, the joys of superseding indictments. Curiously, there’s a redacted name in there on count 6. Wonder who that relates to.

Was there a minor there? Why else would someone’s name be redacted?

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:25:46pm

re: #15 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wait, so Breitbart readers are hating on the Breitbart reporter because of her encounter with Trump manager?

My head is spinning

She’s a Cruzbot and Trumpers hate Cruzbots.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:26:16pm

re: #89 MsJ

Was there a minor there? Why else would someone’s name be redacted?

Maybe that defendant is still at large.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:26:52pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

I have similar thoughts about the effects of my TBI, with the notable difference of expecting it to go away. That expectation may fade. One of the most notable phrases my new doctor used was, ‘Don’t wait for 100% [recovery], it might not happen.’

I have to confess and MomAnon can probably attest to this and i’m sure Tardis and our other lizards who either have a loved one on the spectrum or are on it themselves but I find myself so conflicted about a cure. It’d probabbly make my social life a little bit easier than it is now but I wonder how much it would since so much of my personality is already shaped by now and I also see my ASD being behind a lot of my intellectual curiosity. It’s how i’m a meticulous person where I want to be precise and accurate.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:26:57pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

The sad fact is that in the 1920’s many educated people bought into the whole bogus “eugenics” pseudoscience, but only snapped out of it when they saw what one country did with it in the ‘30’s and ‘40’s.

Science as we think of it today was still relatively new in the 1920s. Think about how poorly many people understand science today. Now imagine how much worse it would have been with less education and more (overt) racism - not to mention the anti-science faith based stuff (see the Scopes Monkey Trial).

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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:27:05pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

(((hugs))) I know what you mean. My son doesn’t think of himself as disabled either and we have tried really hard to guide him into things outside of disability related things. But, we’ve also taken advantage of job training programs because of the high unemployment rate of people on the spectrum. Now that he’s working part time and out of these programs, it’s time to move forward into better paying jobs or education, but he is reluctant to try. Years of bullying in school have done a lot of damage that may take a long, long time to undo. He will be 22 soon, I worry a lot about what his future holds.

One thing that breaks my heart is that my son has given up on having a relationship, getting married, being a dad someday. He doesn’t feel lovable. Much of this is honestly related to him still living at home and still learning to drive and getting his own car. I think with independence will come relationships, but he gets in his own way sometimes. He has made friends, guys he hangs out with, goes to concerts with, talks music with, etc. His own “tribe” so to speak.

I’d recommend this book to you, I think you’d find it interesting, but do be warned, it doesn’t sugar coat anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:27:07pm

re: #89 MsJ

Was there a minor there? Why else would someone’s name be redacted?

Someone not in custody yet

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:27:18pm

re: #89 MsJ

Was there a minor there? Why else would someone’s name be redacted?

“The Prisoner’s Dilemma” is more fun to watch than play.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:27:36pm

When icicles hang by the wall
And Dick the shepherd blows his nail
And Tom bears logs into the hall,
And milk comes frozen home in pail

— William Shakespeare

When grilling hot dogs and burgers
And chops and ribs in the backyard
And wearing shorts in early March
And businessmen say global warming is a myth

— De Kolta Chair

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:27:47pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

I’ll hope that’s not the case and pray for a 100% recovery for you!

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:28:03pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Being on the spectrum is a way of method acting. I have had so many times where I have to pretend something I’m not.

I’m told I look normal when walking down the street. I feel like I’m on Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride. I’m trying to convince myself it is an advantage.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:28:21pm
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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:28:49pm

re: #93 KGxvi

“Eugenics” as the term was used wasn’t really even a pseudoscience.

Rather, I’d use the term “social policy”.

Humans like any animal can be bred for traits.

The question is - should we?

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:29:57pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I have to confess and MomAnon can probably attest to this and i’m sure Tardis and our other lizards who either have a loved one on the spectrum or are on it themselves but I find myself so conflicted about a cure. It’d probabbly make my social life a little bit easier than it is now but I wonder how much it would since so much of my personality is already shaped by now and I also see my ASD being behind a lot of my intellectual curiosity. It’s how i’m a meticulous person where I want to be precise and accurate.

I’ve read similar things about the deaf community. They have a culture and don’t want to leave it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:30:01pm

re: #101 freetoken

“Eugenics” as the term was used wasn’t really even a pseudoscience.

Rather, I’d use the term “social policy”.

Humans like any animal can be bred for traits.

The question is - should we?

No, we aren’t breeding stock for the state.

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:30:55pm

re: #96 Kragar

“The Prisoner’s Dilemma” is more fun to watch than play.

And Ryan Bundy has opted to play “a man who opts to be his own attorney has a fool for a client” game.

Those trials are going to be something.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:31:23pm

re: #89 MsJ

Was there a minor there? Why else would someone’s name be redacted?

Possibly because s/he hasn’t yet been arrested and they don’t want to tip him/her off.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:31:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:31:46pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

(((hugs))) I know what you mean. My son doesn’t think of himself as disabled either and we have tried really hard to guide him into things outside of disability related things. But, we’ve also taken advantage of job training programs because of the high unemployment rate of people on the spectrum. Now that he’s working part time and out of these programs, it’s time to move forward into better paying jobs or education, but he is reluctant to try. Years of bullying in school have done a lot of damage that may take a long, long time to undo. He will be 22 soon, I worry a lot about what his future holds.

One thing that breaks my heart is that my son has given up on having a relationship, getting married, being a dad someday. He doesn’t feel lovable. Much of this is honestly related to him still living at home and still learning to drive and getting his own car. I think with independence will come relationships, but he gets in his own way sometimes. He has made friends, guys he hangs out with, goes to concerts with, talks music with, etc. His own “tribe” so to speak.

I’d recommend this book to you, I think you’d find it interesting, but do be warned, it doesn’t sugar coat anything.

It’s scary really. You know I have days where I wonder how worth it my BA is because the struggle finding employment for people on the spectrum is very real. It’s something that my parents are befuddled by because they see my BA and my paralegal certificate and think that I should be getting some opps. I’ve taken advantage of the services too but I do get a little frustrated. Glad he’s socializing and has found his way. I’ve gotten much more comfortable with other people as I’ve gotten older. I still get nervous though before crowds. Had to present last week for class and got nervous and it didn’t help that I think my partner was even more nervous than I was.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:31:56pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:32:40pm
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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:32:58pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

It finally happened.

Donald Trump Has Tiny Hands PAC Is Launched

John Oliver is going to be pissed that he didn’t get to this one first.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:33:21pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

I’ve read similar things about the deaf community. They have a culture and don’t want to leave it.

I’m probably more in the middle. There are some on the spectrum who even suggest that it’s “normal people” who are the odd ones. I don’t know about that. But I always feel that my lief would be very different if I had gotten diagnosed at a younger age. I also really feel alone in my own family since neither of my parents, brothers, or close family is on the spectrum that I know of.

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:34:15pm

re: #105 Bubblehead II

Possibly because s/he hasn’t yet been arrested and they don’t want to tip him/her off.

Thanks (all)! I hadn’t thought of that. Much appreciated!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:34:18pm

re: #110 KGxvi

I’m sure, John Oliver being a Brit, he would find a more eloquent way of saying it.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:34:18pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

It finally happened.

Donald Trump Has Tiny Hands PAC Is Launched

Heh, but ya know the more I see of his hands the more I think it’s his palms that are abnormally large.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:34:50pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

It finally happened.

Donald Trump Has Tiny Hands PAC Is Launched

Best PAC name since Tom Tancredo’s Team America PAC.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:35:07pm

re: #114 De Kolta Chair

I do think he has small hands.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:35:29pm

Meanwhile in the “people who should just crawl back under the rock” news, Melissa Click, the thuggish authoritarian “professor” fired by Uni of Missouri, just refuses to go away.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:36:12pm

re: #116 Ziggy_TARDIS

I do think he has small hands.

Well, you now what they say: small hands, smaller net worth than claimed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:36:20pm

re: #110 KGxvi

re: #114 De Kolta Chair

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Now with better link.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:38:06pm

re: #118 De Kolta Chair

Also, he would be unable to press the button with the tiny sausage fingers.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:38:10pm

re: #108 Ziggy_TARDIS

It finally happened.

Donald Trump Has Tiny Hands PAC Is Launched

got it

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:40:22pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

I’m probably more in the middle. There are some on the spectrum who even suggest that it’s “normal people” who are the odd ones. I don’t know about that. But I always feel that my lief would be very different if I had gotten diagnosed at a younger age. I also really feel alone in my own family since neither of my parents, brothers, or close family is on the spectrum that I know of.

A guy I used to work for came in last month asking about a job. He told me he was recently diagnosed as ADHD. He saw in hindsight how it had affected his life. He had happiness about realizing he wasn’t ‘at fault’ for everything, but similar frustration about what could have been.

My adviser in college was a gray haired professor who had recently learned he was dyslexic. Similar happiness to learn the source of his struggles, and frustration about not having known earlier.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:40:48pm

Another shameless plug since the last thread died out so quickly

Even Weeds Can Be Beautiful

Plus another picture!

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:41:19pm

re: #123 KerFuFFler

Superb photos.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:42:17pm

re: #117 Nyet

Meanwhile in the “people who should just crawl back under the rock” news, Melissa Click, the thuggish authoritarian “professor” fired by Uni of Missouri, just refuses to go away.

PSGO
(Pack Shit, Get Out)

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:42:19pm

Heh

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:42:36pm

Doing some research and its eerie how much of this fits Trump’s base:

a) only understood the concept of one man’s actions coinciding with general law.
b) inability to think for themselves was exemplified by consistent use of “stock phrases and self-invented clichés”
c) constantly joined organizations in order to define himself, and had difficulties thinking for themselves without doing so
d) Despite claims, not very intelligent
e) claimed they was responsible for certain crimes, even though they lacked the power and/or expertise to take these actions
f) Seeing members of “respectable society” endorsing crimes, began enthusiastically participating in the planning
g) no evidence of abnormal personality whatsoever by psychologists

Now, take a guess as to what I was researching to find this list.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:42:45pm

re: #124 Nyet

Just a gentle reminder ;)

Clinton Pledged Delegate Lead is +219, After Yesterday’s Contests per FiveThirtyEight. +20 Net Gain.

Only delegates from blue states count./

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:43:44pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

A guy I used to work for came in last month asking about a job. He told me he was recently diagnosed as ADHD. He saw in hindsight how it had affected his life. He had happiness about realizing he wasn’t ‘at fault’ for everything, but similar frustration about what could have been.

My adviser in college was a gray haired professor who had recently learned he was dyslexic. Similar happiness to learn the source of his struggles, and frustration about not having known earlier.

The other thing is that computers are a lot more readily available now than they were then too. I did sometimes use an Alphasmart but that’s nowhere nearly as convenient as a laptop and MSWord would have been. I actually did better in college than I did in high school I think based on that I was able to type my notes and my tests. OTOH I know how much difficult my life would have been if I had lived in my parents generation. People who made it on the spectrum back then and beyond man.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:44:01pm

Yep, Hillary fell short just two delegates of her 538 target.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:44:12pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:44:13pm

re: #128 Kragar

Doing some research and its eerie how much of this fits Trump’s base:

a) only understood the concept of one man’s actions coinciding with general law.
b) inability to think for themselves was exemplified by consistent use of “stock phrases and self-invented clichés”
c) constantly joined organizations in order to define himself, and had difficulties thinking for themselves without doing so
d) Despite claims, not very intelligent
e) claimed they was responsible for certain crimes, even though they lacked the power and/or expertise to take these actions
f) members of “respectable society” endorsing crimes, and enthusiastically participating in the planning
g) no evidence of abnormal personality whatsoever by psychologists

Now, take a guess as to what I was researching to find this list.

Could it be fascism?

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Alephnaught  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:44:53pm

Another music break: “Hostage” by Klangstof.

Video

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:45:21pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Your comments show that you think and type more quickly than most!

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Dr. Matt  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:45:45pm

It’s early, but still: Poll: Clinton would easily beat Trump

Hillary Clinton would defeat Republican presidential rival Donald Trump by double digits in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to a poll released Wednesday.

Clinton would edge out Trump by 13 points in a one-on-one vote, 51 percent to 38 percent, in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey.

Trump, the controversial GOP front-runner, would lose even more soundly to Bernie Sanders, should the independent Vermont senator secure the Democratic nomination.

Sanders bests Trump by 18 points, 55 to 37 percent. Sanders picked up a surprise win over Clinton in Michigan on Tuesday, while she expanded her overall delegate lead.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:45:54pm

re: #133 Big Beautiful Door

Could it be fascism?

In the ballpark, relating to a phrase describing a specific individual

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:46:43pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

But Trump tellz me that the WSJ poll is a phony poll.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:47:08pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I think education is never a waste (unless you went to Liberty University, lol). One thing a lot of people do not understand is the anxiety that comes with being on the spectrum. It’s a very real thing and it’s not often addressed. Perhaps that is what is in your way, a little at least. Never underestimate a shitty job market too.

My son is very isolated at the moment. He spends much of his time alone in his room when he’s not at work or with his friends. He’s stuck in a rut and I can barely get him to move out of it. His friendships are almost exclusively based on a love of heavy metal music, he won’t really step out of that and transfer his acquired social skills to stepping outside music. I’m not sure how to help him with that and it’s led to some heated disagreements. He has forgotten that time out in nature was quite helpful to him in the past, he used to love hiking, but I can’t get him out the door now. Yoga was helpful too and he won’t do it now because some asshat made fun of him for it. Baby steps I guess, I am happy he’s come as far as he has.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:47:26pm

re: #128 Kragar

Now, take a guess as to what I was researching to find this list.

Patriots fans?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:47:35pm

re: #128 Kragar

Doing some research and its eerie how much of this fits Trump’s base:

a) only understood the concept of one man’s actions coinciding with general law.
b) inability to think for themselves was exemplified by consistent use of “stock phrases and self-invented clichés”
c) constantly joined organizations in order to define himself, and had difficulties thinking for themselves without doing so
d) Despite claims, not very intelligent
e) claimed they was responsible for certain crimes, even though they lacked the power and/or expertise to take these actions
f) members of “respectable society” endorsing crimes, and enthusiastically participating in the planning
g) no evidence of abnormal personality whatsoever by psychologists

Now, take a guess as to what I was researching to find this list.

Re-watching the WWII series last night brought this to mind:

What General Weygand has called the Battle of France is over … the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisation. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands.

But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, This was their finest hour.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:48:42pm

re: #138 freetoken

But Trump tellz me that the WSJ poll is a phony poll.

The worst poll I’ve ever seen!! Sad!!!

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KerFuFFler  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:50:25pm

re: #125 Nyet

Superb photos.

Thank you so much! I really love the high resolution that digital photography allows———especially as I get older and my eyesight blurs. Digital photography also frees me up to take lots of shots until something works. I was always too frugal to be able to enjoy cameras that used actual film. :)

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Tigger2  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:51:46pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

It’s early, but still: Poll: Clinton would easily beat Trump

Sanders has an 18 point advantage now but wait until the Republicans adds hit him if he gets the Nomination and watch that 18 points drop, They have more or less left him alone so far.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:52:47pm

OK folks, I have to run and get The Kid and do some stuff around here. BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:53:13pm

re: #139 A Mom Anon

I think education is never a waste (unless you went to Liberty University, lol). One thing a lot of people do not understand is the anxiety that comes with being on the spectrum. It’s a very real thing and it’s not often addressed. Perhaps that is what is in your way, a little at least. Never underestimate a shitty job market too.

My son is very isolated at the moment. He spends much of his time alone in his room when he’s not at work or with his friends. He’s stuck in a rut and I can barely get him to move out of it. His friendships are almost exclusively based on a love of heavy metal music, he won’t really step out of that and transfer his acquired social skills to stepping outside music. I’m not sure how to help him with that and it’s led to some heated disagreements. He has forgotten that time out in nature was quite helpful to him in the past, he used to love hiking, but I can’t get him out the door now. Yoga was helpful too and he won’t do it now because some asshat made fun of him for it. Baby steps I guess, I am happy he’s come as far as he has.

I look at every day as some form of progress. It is tough though. People don’t appreciate how tough the job market is for people like him and I. I’ve had some frustrations though. I mean I’ve long given up on my dream of being a state department foreign officer but I’m not giving up on the legal work I got my paralegal certificate in. I worked my ass off for that thing and I’ll be goddamned if I’m going to be forced to give up on that.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:53:25pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

It’s early, but still: Poll: Clinton would easily beat Trump

I usually check the polls posted on wikipedia (one place to find several with links to the raw data usually; as well as having the RCP and HuffPo aggregates), and they have been fairly consistently showing that Clinton beats Trump running away while Cruz and Rubio are much more competitive (and I’m guessing Kaisch would also be more competitive) to the point where they actually lead. They also typically show Sanders doing better than Clinton against pretty much all of the GOP choices.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:53:28pm

re: #137 Kragar

In the ballpark, relating to a phrase describing a specific individual

A sociopath?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:53:58pm

re: #144 Tigger2

Sanders has an 18 point advantage now but wait until the Republicans adds hit him if he gets the Nomination and watch it drop, They have more or less left him alone so far.

Indeed. Once upon a time Michael Dukakis led at the polls too. Bernie hasn’t faced the Republican attack machine yet. Clinton has.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:55:00pm

Ross Douthat still in denial that Trump is likely to win the GOP nomination.
douthat.blogs.nytimes.com

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:55:41pm

re: #147 KGxvi

They also typically show Sanders doing better than Clinton against pretty much all of the GOP choices.

He hasn’t been subjected to a barrage of lying propaganda, like Hillary has. If that happens, his numbers staying where they are is not a given.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:55:55pm

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

A sociopath?

No, 6 different psychologists examined him, found no trace of illness, with one noting his only remarkable trait was being more “normal” than the average person.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:55:58pm

re: #144 Tigger2

Sanders has an 18 point advantage now but wait until the Republicans adds hit him if he gets the Nomination and watch it drop, They have more or less left him alone so far.

I do kind of wonder though, what would happen the first time the right wing noise machine screamed SOSHULIST! and rather than running from it Sanders says Yeah? What of it?.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:56:13pm

I think Rubio’s struggles can be summed up simply in a couple sentences- He’s just not a likable guy . He has no base.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:57:04pm

re: #151 Nyet

He hasn’t been subjected to a barrage of lying propaganda, like Hillary has. If that happens, his numbers staying where they are is not a given.

I think there’s so much naivety about how much crap an actual self described socialist would get.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:57:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:57:51pm

re: #153 KGxvi

I do kind of wonder though, what would happen the first time the right wing noise machine screamed SOSHULIST! and rather than running from it Sanders says Yeah? What of it?.

If he was better at politics, I’d love to see that but I’m afraid he’d make it worse. Maybe I’m wrong there.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:57:55pm

re: #153 KGxvi

I do kind of wonder though, what would happen the first time the right wing noise machine screamed SOSHULIST! and rather than running from it Sanders says Yeah? What of it?.

For lots of people over the age of 30, socialist means communist. Redo your statement with the word communist.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:57:58pm

At the moment, I think Clinton has a lock on NY state, so I might just write in this, uh, thing in the primaries

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:58:39pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I think Rubio’s struggles can be summed up simply in a couple sentences- He’s just not a likable guy . He has no base.

I’d add “he’s not ready for prime time.”

Though, my guess is that Rubio probably thought Jeb would be the nominee (as Bushes get a pass to the front of the line) while this election would be Rubio’s “I’m next in line” race (see Reagan 76, GHWB 80, Dole 88, McCain 00, Romney 08) in classic Republican fashion.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:58:40pm

re: #158 Belafon

For lots of people over the age of 30, socialist means communist. Redo your statement with the word communist.

This is true too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:59:24pm

re: #152 Kragar

No, 6 different psychologists examined him, found no trace of illness, with one noting his only remarkable trait was being more “normal” than the average person.

A wise guy?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 12:59:29pm

re: #160 KGxvi

I’d add “he’s not ready for prime time.”

Though, my guess is that Rubio probably thought Jeb would be the nominee (as Bushes get a pass to the front of the line) while this election would be Rubio’s “I’m next in line” race (see Reagan 76, GHWB 80, Dole 88, McCain 00, Romney 08) in classic Republican fashion.

Probably so. It hasn’t been for a lack of effort though with him and prime time. I wager to say if he’s not ready now, he’ll never be.

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Tigger2  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:00:29pm

re: #153 KGxvi

I do kind of wonder though, what would happen the first time the right wing noise machine screamed SOSHULIST! and rather than running from it Sanders says Yeah? What of it?.

It would probably hurt him, I would be willing to bet there are a lot of old Dem’s that haven’t been paying much attention yet that wouldn’t even like that.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:00:31pm

re: #162 Big Beautiful Door

Nope.

If no one has guessed by post 200, I’ll give in.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:02:18pm

re: #159 De Kolta Chair

At the moment, I think Clinton has a lock on NY state

Many Dems in MI thought so too ;)
Besides, every delegate matters.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:02:36pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

If he was better at politics, I’d love to see that but I’m afraid he’d make it worse. Maybe I’m wrong there.

A fair point. I doubt he would have the rhetorical skills to pull it off.

re: #158 Belafon

For lots of people over the age of 30, socialist means communist. Redo your statement with the word communist.

Perhaps. And if Sanders had better rhetorical skills, maybe he’d be able to fight that default (though I’m guessing socialist = communist is probably more common in the over 40 crowd, I’m about to turn 38 and the Berlin Wall fell when I was in junior high). I simply wonder if socialist is one of those words that is losing its meaning in American politics because the RWNM is so keen on throwing it around, much like they did with “liberal”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:03:21pm

re: #165 Kragar

Nope.

If no one has guessed by post 200, I’ll give in.

A brownshirt?

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:04:10pm

re: #165 Kragar

OK, I googled.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:05:16pm

Meanwhile overseas…

Far-Right Merkel Foe Talks of Using Guns on Migrants

Frauke Petry, a brisk, garrulous leader of the Alternative for Germany party, is riding a tide of angry populism and finding success at the polls.

From her Wikipedia entry:

Petry was married to a pastor named Sven, has four children, and lives in Tautenhain, Saxony. Petry published a statement in early October in which she announced that she would separate from her husband, while also noting that “much more than just friendly feelings” had developed between her and fellow party member Marcus Pretzell.

Expect fraulein Petry to be a fixture at future Trump rallies to show off his foreign policy and adultery cred.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:05:28pm

re: #167 KGxvi

A fair point. I doubt he would have the rhetorical skills to pull it off.

Perhaps. And if Sanders had better rhetorical skills, maybe he’d be able to fight that default (though I’m guessing socialist = communist is probably more common in the over 40 crowd, I’m about to turn 38 and the Berlin Wall fell when I was in junior high). I simply wonder if socialist is one of those words that is losing its meaning in American politics because the RWNM is so keen on throwing it around, much like they did with “liberal”.

It certainly seems to be, because who would’ve imagined a socialist would be in serious contention for the Democratic nomination for President? I certainly didn’t think Sanders would be a serious contender when his name first came up.

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Tigger2  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:05:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:05:48pm

re: #167 KGxvi

A fair point. I doubt he would have the rhetorical skills to pull it off.

Perhaps. And if Sanders had better rhetorical skills, maybe he’d be able to fight that default (though I’m guessing socialist = communist is probably more common in the over 40 crowd, I’m about to turn 38 and the Berlin Wall fell when I was in junior high). I simply wonder if socialist is one of those words that is losing its meaning in American politics because the RWNM is so keen on throwing it around, much like they did with “liberal”.

I do hope the word loses its images of Stalinism and the wall I’m skeptical though until proven otherwise though.

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TedStriker  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:06:28pm

re: #144 Tigger2

Sanders has an 18 point advantage now but wait until the Republicans adds hit him if he gets the Nomination and watch it drop, They have more or less left him alone so far.

That’s exactly what the GOP is waiting for, for Bernie and the BernieBots to kneecap Hillary’s campaign (with some timely help from the “liberal” media’s continuing to recycle nothingburgers such as Benghazi and her email server), then really all the GOP’s nominee (likely Trump or Cruz at this point) has to do keep hammering Bernie with one word:

SOSHULIST!!!11ty

And, unfortunately, it would likely work.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:06:49pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Much warmer

re: #169 Nyet

CHEATER!
/

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:07:27pm

re: #170 De Kolta Chair

Merkel’s clueless refugee policies have caused the rise of the populist-right AfD. All utterly predictable.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:07:47pm

re: #166 Nyet

Many Dems in MI thought so too ;)
Besides, every delegate matters.

Yep, I’m hoping from here on out, people vote for their candidate rather than trying to mess with the results. I’m in Texas, which was going for Clinton and will probably go Republican unless Trump drives enough Latinos to the polls, and I and my family all voted for her.

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Tigger2  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:07:57pm

re: #174 TedStriker

That’s exactly what the GOP is waiting for, for Bernie and the BernieBots to kneecap Hillary’s campaign (with some timely help from the “liberal” media’s continuing to recycle nothingburgers such as Benghazi and her email server), then really all the GOP’s nominee (likely Trump or Cruz at this point) has to do keep hammering Bernie with one word:

SOSHULIST!!!11ty

And, unfortunately, it would likely work.

Yep

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:07:58pm

re: #175 Kragar

Much warmer

CHEATER!
/

Is it Mussolini?

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:08:42pm

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

Is it Mussolini?

No, but he was one of the big ones.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:09:07pm

re: #153 KGxvi

I do kind of wonder though, what would happen the first time the right wing noise machine screamed SOSHULIST! and rather than running from it Sanders says Yeah? What of it?.

I’m not at all sanguine about how that kind of glib response would play in swing state America. The only reason he’s survived this long in the Dem Primary process, where such an answer would play better than in the general election, is by specifically deflecting and parsing the term into the much vaguer term “Social Democrat.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:09:11pm

re: #180 Kragar

No, but he was one of the big ones.

Blackshirts?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:09:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:10:30pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

I’m not at all sanguine about how that kind of glib response would play in swing state America. The only reason he’s survived this long in the Dem Primary process, where such an answer would play better than in the general election, is by specifically deflecting and parsing the term into the much vaguer term “Social Democrat.”

I’m cynical too. I mean I hate that it’s a bad word but we’ve seen how Obama gets treated when he’s far from a socialist. I thikn the RNC would lick its chops to face a real one especially one that struggles with things like rhetoric.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:10:35pm

re: #128 Kragar

For the most part, it sounds like Sarah Palin.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:10:50pm

re: #171 Big Beautiful Door

It certainly seems to be, because who would’ve imagined a socialist would be in serious contention for the Democratic nomination for President? I certainly didn’t think Sanders would be a serious contender when his name first came up.

I wonder if one of the reasons that Sanders has become a serious contender is because the field was so small. In a normal year, I’d say Sanders would be similar to the Kucinich type candidate than a viable challenger to the front runner. But there really weren’t any viable challengers this year. And honestly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton is actually good at electoral politics. I mean, she seems pretty good on policy (a bit too hawkish for me, but otherwise she fits pretty neatly in the middle of the Democratic coalition), yet she was looking at a tough race with Guilliani in 2000 before he dropped out and then lost to Obama in 2008 despite having every possible advantage.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:11:52pm

No more hints.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:11:52pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

For the most part, it sounds like Sarah Palin.

But mostly it sounds like Teh Donald.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:12:08pm

re: #186 KGxvi

I wonder if one of the reasons that Sanders has become a serious contender is because the field was so small. In a normal year, I’d say Sanders would be similar to the Kucinich type candidate than a viable challenger to the front runner. But there really weren’t any viable challengers this year. And honestly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton is actually good at electoral politics. I mean, she seems pretty good on policy (a bit too hawkish for me, but otherwise she fits pretty neatly in the middle of the Democratic coalition), yet she was looking at a tough race with Guilliani in 2000 before he dropped out and then lost to Obama in 2008 despite having every possible advantage.

The anti-Clinton sentiment is real. We shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

I think it’s really stupid, but that’s a different issue.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:12:42pm

re: #186 KGxvi

I wonder if one of the reasons that Sanders has become a serious contender is because the field was so small. In a normal year, I’d say Sanders would be similar to the Kucinich type candidate than a viable challenger to the front runner. But there really weren’t any viable challengers this year. And honestly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton is actually good at electoral politics. I mean, she seems pretty good on policy (a bit too hawkish for me, but otherwise she fits pretty neatly in the middle of the Democratic coalition), yet she was looking at a tough race with Guilliani in 2000 before he dropped out and then lost to Obama in 2008 despite having every possible advantage.

I think that’s part of it but I think Sanders has credibility that a Kucinich never had since he’s a Senator. Plus the party has grown more liberal since then too. I do think you’re sort of on to something though. However, O’Malley, Chaffee, and Webb flopped big time so it’s not as if it was just Bernie and Hillary. However, I can’t help but to wonder what would have happened if another senator or governor with liberal chops and more a connection ot the party would have done.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:12:51pm

re: #172 Tigger2

I wonder what the turnout was for the midterm elections for the Florida legislature?

The importance of making sure any state’s legislature is not totally dominated by the atavists can’t be stressed enough.

Only voting for US President sort of defeats the whole notion of democracy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:13:02pm

re: #186 KGxvi

I wonder if one of the reasons that Sanders has become a serious contender is because the field was so small. In a normal year, I’d say Sanders would be similar to the Kucinich type candidate than a viable challenger to the front runner. But there really weren’t any viable challengers this year. And honestly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton is actually good at electoral politics. I mean, she seems pretty good on policy (a bit too hawkish for me, but otherwise she fits pretty neatly in the middle of the Democratic coalition), yet she was looking at a tough race with Guilliani in 2000 before he dropped out and then lost to Obama in 2008 despite having every possible advantage.

Well give Obama credit, he was an exceptionally good candidate. If he hadn’t entered the race, Clinton would probably be in the last year of her Administration, and he’d be the frontrunner for the nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:13:47pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The anti-Clinton sentiment is real. We shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

I think it’s really stupid, but that’s a different issue.

There is that too. And as I said earlier, there’s a lot of sexism against her by people who may not even realize they’re being sexist. Hell you called it out on me when I complained about Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton by explaining rightfully to me that Clinton is very much her own individual.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:14:17pm

re: #192 Big Beautiful Door

Well give Obama credit, he was an exceptionally good candidate. If he hadn’t entered the race, Clinton would probably be in the last year of her Administration, and he’d be the frontrunner for the nomination.

That’s interesting to wonder about.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:14:20pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The anti-Clinton sentiment is real. We shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

I think it’s really stupid, but that’s a different issue.

Plus, there’s the part about being the first woman president. And I wonder how many times, after finishing a debate with Obama, she said to her husband “I wasn’t supposed to be running against you.” Bill and Obama belong in a Hall of Fame on how to win elections.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:14:34pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

I’m not at all sanguine about how that kind of glib response would play in swing state America. The only reason he’s survived this long in the Dem Primary process, where such an answer would play better than in the general election, is by specifically deflecting and parsing the term into the much vaguer term “Social Democrat.”

I was probably a little too glib in my original post. I mostly meant his response being more along the lines of arguing that socialism is not the inherent evil that the RWNM is trying to make it out to be. That things we mostly take for granted (like Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Workers’ Compensation, public hospitals, etc) are products of “socialism.”

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:14:46pm

re: #128 Kragar

Now, take a guess as to what I was researching to find this list.

Isn’t it about time we gave poor Bill Buckner a break?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:15:06pm

re: #186 KGxvi

I wonder if one of the reasons that Sanders has become a serious contender is because the field was so small. In a normal year, I’d say Sanders would be similar to the Kucinich type candidate than a viable challenger to the front runner. But there really weren’t any viable challengers this year. And honestly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton is actually good at electoral politics. I mean, she seems pretty good on policy (a bit too hawkish for me, but otherwise she fits pretty neatly in the middle of the Democratic coalition), yet she was looking at a tough race with Guilliani in 2000 before he dropped out and then lost to Obama in 2008 despite having every possible advantage.

Not every advantage. The 2008 Primary very much turned into a referendum on the Iraq War. Even still she got more votes, Obama just ran a very shrewd campaign that maximized the absolute shit out of Southern States and caucus wins. He also competed early and heavily for super delegates.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:15:31pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The anti-Clinton sentiment is real. We shouldn’t pretend otherwise.

I think it’s really stupid, but that’s a different issue.

I saw a guy yesterday with stickers everywhere on his car except the bumpers. And the windshield. Most of them were anti-Hillary, with some anti-Obama thrown in. The guy looked like Santa Claus without the jolly.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:15:57pm

Obama ran one of the most brilliant campaigns I’ve ever seen. There’s a reason why this man is the first Democrat since FDR to get over 50% of the vote twice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:16:09pm

I give, its post 200, what’s the answer?

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:16:27pm

re: #7 lawhawk

As much as I think Trump is the candidate all of these right wing extremists deserve, no one should be assaulted - that’s criminal and frankly we’re seeing Trump’s security apparatus engaging in straight-up thuggish behavior.

Could you imagine the right wing outrage if Clinton’s security team did that? Or Rubio? Or Cruz? Or Bernie?

That they’re finding ways to excuse Trump shows just how debased the whole lot of them are.

When you’re getting folks who are moderate and lefties complaining on behalf of a right wing journalist’s right not to be assaulted by Trump’s security, you know things are pretty fucked up.

Re-quoted for truth.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:17:36pm

re: #201 Big Beautiful Door

Oak man.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:18:14pm

Ok, the term was “the banality of evil”, which refers to Adolf Eichmann

“Eichmann in Jerusalem”

Eichmann stated himself in court that he had always tried to abide by Immanuel Kant’s categorical imperative (as discussed directly on pp. 135-137). She argues that Eichmann had essentially taken the wrong lesson from Kant: Eichmann had not recognized the “golden rule” and principle of reciprocity implicit in the categorical imperative, but had only understood the concept of one man’s actions coinciding with general law. Eichmann attempted to follow the spirit of the laws he carried out, as if the legislator himself would approve. In Kant’s formulation of the categorical imperative, the legislator is the moral self, and all men are legislators; in Eichmann’s formulation, the legislator was Hitler. Eichmann claimed this changed when he was charged with carrying out the Final Solution, at which point Arendt claims “he had ceased to live according to Kantian principles, that he had known it, and that he had consoled himself with the thoughts that he no longer ‘was master of his own deeds,’ that he was unable ‘to change anything’” (p. 136).

Eichmann’s inability to think for himself was exemplified by his consistent use of “stock phrases and self-invented clichés”. The man demonstrated his unrealistic worldview and crippling lack of communication skills through reliance on “officialese” (Amtssprache) and the euphemistic Sprachregelung that made implementation of Hitler’s policies “somehow palatable.”

Eichmann was a “joiner” his entire life, in that he constantly joined organizations in order to define himself, and had difficulties thinking for himself without doing so. As a youth, he belonged to the YMCA, the Wandervogel, and the Jungfrontkämpferverband. In 1933, he failed in his attempt to join the Schlaraffia (a men’s organization similar to Freemasonry), at which point a family friend (and future war criminal) Ernst Kaltenbrunner encouraged him to join the SS. At the end of World War II, Eichmann found himself depressed because “it then dawned on him that thenceforward he would have to live without being a member of something or other” (pp. 32-3).

Despite his claims, Eichmann was not, in fact, very intelligent. As Arendt details in the book’s second chapter, he was unable to complete either high school or vocational training, and only found his first significant job (traveling salesman for the Vacuum Oil Company) through family connections. Arendt noted that, during both his SS career and Jerusalem trial, Eichmann tried to cover up his lack of skills and education, and even “blushed” when these facts came to light.

Arendt confirms several points where Eichmann actually claimed he was responsible for certain atrocities, even though he lacked the power and/or expertise to take these actions. Moreover, Eichmann made these claims even though they hurt his defense, hence Arendt’s remark that “Bragging was the vice that was Eichmann’s undoing” (p. 46). Arendt also suggests that Eichmann may have preferred to be executed as a war criminal than live as a nobody. This parallels his overestimation of his own intelligence and his past value in the organizations in which he had served, as stated above.

Arendt argues that Eichmann, in his peripheral role at the Wannsee Conference, witnessed the rank-and-file of the German civil service heartily endorse Reinhard Heydrich’s program for the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe (German: die Endlösung der Judenfrage). Upon seeing members of “respectable society” endorsing mass murder, and enthusiastically participating in the planning of the solution, Eichmann felt that his moral responsibility was relaxed, as if he were “Pontius Pilate”.

During his imprisonment before his trial, the Israeli government sent no fewer than six psychologists to examine Eichmann. These psychologists found not only no trace of mental illness, but also no evidence of abnormal personality whatsoever. One doctor remarked that his overall attitude towards other people, especially his family and friends, was “highly desirable”, while another remarked that the only unusual trait Eichmann displayed was being more “normal” in his habits and speech than the average person (pp. 25-6).

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:18:55pm

Trying on my late bro-in-law’s shoes is an odd experience, to say the least, but I gotta say he had good taste in style and comfort, and thanks for listening.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:19:03pm

re: #192 Big Beautiful Door

Well give Obama credit, he was an exceptionally good candidate. If he hadn’t entered the race, Clinton would probably be in the last year of her Administration, and he’d be the frontrunner for the nomination.

Obama was a very good candidate, but he was three years removed from the Illinois state legislature. Most people didn’t know who he was (as great as his 2004 convention speech was - and that was the first time I saw him and said “that man will be president one day” - he was not widely known), while Clinton had universal name recognition and the party establishment behind her.

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Not every advantage. The 2008 Primary very much turned into a referendum on the Iraq War. Even still she got more votes, Obama just ran a very shrewd campaign that maximized the absolute shit out of Souther States and caucus wins. He also competed early and heavily for super delegates.

Fair points.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:20:17pm

BTW, Arendt was totally wrong about Eichmann being banal. He was a superb bureaucrat and an enterprising manager with an ideological hatred of Jews. He excelled at what he did.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:20:29pm

re: #204 Kragar

Ok, the term was “the banality of evil”, which refers to Adolf Eichmann

“Eichmann in Jerusalem”

I should’ve gotten that. Good game!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:20:36pm

re: #165 Kragar

Nope.

If no one has guessed by post 200, I’ll give in.

cultists

No, I change my answer: Eichmann!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:21:13pm

bastards

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:22:29pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

bastards

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Will die in the House. If the GOP gains control of the House in November, it will become law next year.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:22:31pm

re: #207 Nyet

BTW, Arendt was totally wrong about Eichmann being banal. He was a superb bureaucrat and an enterprising manager with an ideological hatred of Jews. He excelled at what he did.

I always thought banal she meant that the guys like Eichmann were not textbook monsters and were able to order the murders of thousands of innocents every day and then go back home to their families. By textbook monsters, I mean you look at that guy and know he’s one evil sob.

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withak  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:23:22pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I always thought banal she meant that the guys like Eichmann were not textbook monsters and were able to order the murders of thousands of innocents every day and then go back home to their families.

This is also the meaning I was taught.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:24:31pm

“Banal” is usually reserved for those who lack the creativity to be original.

Someone can be quite banal and quite skilled at the same time.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:24:37pm

re: #207 Nyet

She was correct in that Eichmann was not clinically psychotic or mentally ill, but had convinced himself the atrocities he committed were justifiable.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:24:58pm

Gov. Martinez loses another one, at least for now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:25:20pm

re: #213 withak

This is also the meaning I was taught.

What is interesting for me is seeing the very different responses to their parents and grandparents that the descendants of high ranking Nazis have had. Hans Frank’s son is very Anti-Nazi. Even goes to German schools telling children of the evils of his father and others but his own brothers and sisters stayed true to their father’s beliefs. Himmler’s daughter is very active in German Neo-Nazi circles still I think. That’s another subject though I concede but one that fascinates the hell out of me.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:25:32pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

This is exactly the point Arendt was making.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:26:18pm

re: #218 Kragar

This is exactly the point Arendt was making.

Then I’m in agreement with Hannah Arendt then.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:28:17pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

Gov. Martinez loses another one, at least for now.

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Good. As i’ve gotten at, finding employment can be a real struggle for al ot of people and if the GOP is so concerned about people finding jobs, they should support job training problems that they don’t.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:28:27pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Her thesis is that Eichmann was not a fanatic or sociopath, but an extremely average person who relied on clichéd defenses rather than thinking for himself and was motivated by professional promotion rather than ideology. Banality, in this sense, is not that Eichmann’s actions were ordinary, or that there is a potential Eichmann in all of us, but that his actions were motivated by a sort of stupidity which was wholly unexceptional.

While Eichmann was not mentally ill, he certainly was a fanatic who, in his more private (though still recorded) moments expressed sorrow that he didn’t kill more Jews.

As for family etc., serial killers can go back to their families after doing the deed, that doesn’t make them less of monsters.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:29:15pm

re: #214 freetoken

“Banal” is usually reserved for those who lack the creativity to be original.

Someone can be quite banal and quite skilled at the same time.

I think a lot of people get confused about Arendt’s theory because banal was an odd word choice in some ways. I personally if I were her would have used the word ordinariness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:30:00pm
You argument is invalid. Because I have a lizard with a butterfly on its head.
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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:30:01pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

What is interesting for me is seeing the very different responses to their parents and grandparents that the descendants of high ranking Nazis have had. Hans Frank’s son is very Anti-Nazi. Even goes to German schools telling children of the evils of his father and others but his own brothers and sisters stayed true to their father’s beliefs. Himmler’s daughter is very active in German Neo-Nazi circles still I think. That’s another subject though I concede but one that fascinates the hell out of me.

That has parallels here. All of the strides (though not enough) made since the CRA and VRA in trying to allow blacks to be equal have not caused the younger generations to view blacks differently. The millenials have the same views on race that their parents to. It’s partially why I don’t think “socialist” will improve with younger kids.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:30:36pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

Gov. Martinez loses another one, at least for now.

What is it with New Mexico? I partly blame the out-of-state hippyish baby boomers with real estate licenses who moved there in the 1970’s and became li’l Jabba the Huts.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:31:14pm

re: #224 Belafon

That has parallels here. All of the strides (though not enough) made since the CRA and VRA in trying to allow blacks to be equal have not caused the younger generations to view blacks differently. The millenials have the same views on race that their parents to. It’s partially why I don’t think “socialist” will improve with younger kids.

We are shaped by our parents views no doubt about it. Either we go along with it or are repulsed. I didn’t eralize that the millenials views on race mirror their parents though.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:31:21pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Good. As i’ve gotten at, finding employment can be a real struggle for al ot of people and if the GOP is so concerned about people finding jobs, they should support job training problems that they don’t.

Of course they don’t, because if they do that, then employers have a harder time cheating desperate folks out of pay. If you’ve got the skills that an employer needs, then you can name your price. If you lack the skills and he’ll spend money to train you, then he can own your ass.

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:33:18pm

So often I have lamented the poor state of science reporting that I am no doubt become the bore by now… but I do get miffed when I see supposedly serious outlets like the WaPo turning themselves over to click-bait headlines:

Why unprocessed, vegetarian food was actually bad for our ancestors

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:33:40pm

re: #221 Nyet

While Eichmann was not mentally ill, he certainly was a fanatic who, in his more private (though still recorded) moments expressed sorrow that he didn’t kill more Jews. So yes, he was a fanatic.

As for family etc., serial killers can go back to their families after doing the deed, that doesn’t make them less of monsters.

Oh I don’t deny he was a fanatic. He certainly was. I need to read more though on her theory though and get the book. I just really thought she meant by banality that this was a fairly regularly guy with a stable home life doing this stuff and nothing else. Banality as I said though isn’t the word choice I’d use. I prefer ordinary.

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Tigger2  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:34:39pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:34:40pm

re: #225 De Kolta Chair

What is it with New Mexico? I partly blame the out-of-state hippyish baby boomers with real estate licenses who moved there in the 1970’s and became li’l Jabba the Huts.

Most of the blame goes to the extraction industries (oil, gas, and copper, mostly) but the flow of retiring boomers continues apace.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:35:03pm

As I recall reading about Eichmann though, I think he was bullied as a child and had classmates tell him he looked Jewish.

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withak  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:36:05pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

We are shaped by our parents views no doubt about it. Either we go along with it or are repulsed. I didn’t eralize that the millenials views on race mirror their parents though.

I wish this survey included stuff like attitudes about race, homosexuality, etc. (Really interesting article, BTW, and should make us at least a little more optimistic about future generations…)

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:37:46pm

re: #206 KGxvi

Obama was a very good candidate, but he was three years removed from the Illinois state legislature. Most people didn’t know who he was (as great as his 2004 convention speech was - and that was the first time I saw him and said “that man will be president one day” - he was not widely known), while Clinton had universal name recognition and the party establishment behind her.

I had the same experience. From Illinois, and the first time I heard him, I hoped the country would be smart enough to elect him president at some point.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:39:54pm

re: #233 withak

I wish this survey included stuff like attitudes about race, homosexuality, etc. (Really interesting article, BTW, and should make us at least a little more optimistic about future generations…)

I actually am pretty optimistic. I’ve talked to a lot of today’s kids as I have a 14 year old kid brother and I coached basketball over the past few winters. I think kids today are a lot more open minded about people of different sexuality and cultural backgrounds than people my age were but I really think a lot depends on our upbringing too. My brother and I are definitely liberal minded in large part because of how our parents shaped us.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:40:45pm

re: #234 retired cynic

I had the same experience. From Illinois, and the first time I heard him, I hoped the country would be smart enough to elect him president at some point.

I had an online friend from Illinois who was raving about him in the 2004 primary. We stopped talking right before the convention though over a falling out.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:41:54pm

re: #230 Tigger2

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re: #230 Tigger2

Interesting choice of words, “piling on th [sic] China intimidation.”

The Yuan dynasty said the same thing about the Mongols. //

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freetoken  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:45:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:46:23pm

GamerGate morons are being disgusting again, all over Twitter: #TheTriggering

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:47:12pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

Gov. Martinez loses another one, at least for now.

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I had rather high hopes for Martinez. Was hoping she’d be among those who returned the GOP to sanity.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:49:26pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Oh I don’t deny he was a fanatic. He certainly was. I need to read more though on her theory though and get the book. I just really thought she meant by banality that this was a fairly regularly guy with a stable home life doing this stuff and nothing else. Banality as I said though isn’t the word choice I’d use. I prefer ordinary.

Let’s go to the primary source:

I also can well imagine that an authentic controversy might have arisen over the subtitle of the book; for when I speak of the banality of evil, I do so only on the strictly factual level, pointing to a phenomenon which stared one in the face at the trial. Eichmann was not lago and not Macbeth, and nothing would have been farther from his mind than to determine with Richard III “to prove a villain.” Except for an extraordinary diligence in looking out for his personal advancement, he had no motives at all. And this diligence in itself was in no way criminal; he certainly would never have murdered his superior in order to inherit his post. He merely, to put the matter colloquially, never realized what he was doing. It was precisely this lack of imagination which enabled him to sit for months on end facing a German Jew who was conducting the police interrogation, pouring out his heart to the man and explaining again and again how it was that he reached only the rank of lieutenant colonel in the S.S. and that it had not been his fault that he was not promoted. In principle he knew quite well what it was all about, and in his final statement to the court he spoke of the “revaluation of values prescribed by the [Nazi] government.” He was not stupid. It was sheer thoughtlessness - something by no means identical with stupidity - that predisposed him to become one of the greatest criminals of that period. And if this is “banal” and even funny, if with the best will in the world one cannot extract any diabolical or demonic profundity from Eichmann, that is still far from calling it commonplace. It surely cannot be so common that a man facing death, and, moreover, standing beneath the gallows, should be able to think of nothing but what he has heard at funerals all his life, and that these “lofty words” should completely becloud the reality - of his own death. That such remoteness from reality and such thoughtlessness can wreak more havoc than all the evil instincts taken together which, perhaps, are inherent in man - that was, in fact, the lesson one could learn in Jerusalem. But it was a lesson, neither an explanation of the phenomenon nor a theory about it

Arendt fell for Eichmann’s self-representation at the trial as a thoughtless bureaucrat. She says he had no motives at all, except promotion. That’s not what the evidence indicates though:

Eichmann stated on tape 17 that “there are still a whole lot of Jews enjoying life today who ought to have been gassed” (Stangneth, p.265). Most tellingly, on tape 67, when Eichmann mistakenly thought the taping had concluded, he stated that “if 10.3 million of these enemies had been killed, then we would have fulfilled our duty” (audio here). An earlier excerpt from that same conversation identifies this 10.3 million as coming from the Korherr Report and says that “[if] we had killed 10.3 million, I would be satisfied, and would say, good, we have destroyed an enemy” (Stangneth, p.304).

In his analysis of the war, Eichmann blames Weizmann, whom he calls the “Fuehrer” of world Jewry (see p.11 of trial submission T/1393). He states that “As things are now, since perfidious fate has left a large proportion of these Jews alive, I tell myself that fate so ordained. I must bow to fate and to providence” (trial transcript).

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Those are the motives right there. Contra Arendt he fully realized what he was doing and he did it with gusto. Banal was he not.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:50:20pm

re: #240 KGxvi

I had rather high hopes for Martinez. Was hoping she’d be among those who returned the GOP to sanity.

I did too. I saw her speak when she was running. She seemed dismissive of a stupid teapartier’s question. But now she’s among them.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:50:27pm

re: #238 freetoken

Be sure to tune in for updates on our war plans for Mexico:

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For some reason, I’m reminded of this:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:50:51pm

re: #241 Nyet

Let’s go to the primary source:

Arendt fell for Eichmann’s self-representation at the trial as a thoughtless bureaucrat. She says he had no motives at all, except promotion. That’s not what the evidence indicates though:

Those are the motives right there. Contra Arendt he fully realized what he was doing and he did it with gusto. Banal was he not.

Okay fair enough, thanks for the primary source material.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:51:33pm

OT but George Martin was indeed a most talented chap. And for the most part kept these mop-topped scouses in line, which was no small feat.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:51:56pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

I did too. I saw her speak when she was running. She seemed dismissive of a stupid teapartier’s question. But now she’s among them.

Whatever happened to Richardson? I actually liked him a bit in 2008. Thought Obama would consider him for SoS and thought it was quite telling when Obama went otherwise first with Clinton and then with Kerry. I did hear about ethical questions though regarding him but not sure how true those were.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:52:31pm

re: #245 De Kolta Chair

OT but George Martin was a most interesting chap

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Awesome photo. I always enjoyed seeing him interviewed.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:53:27pm

re: #241 Nyet

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com

Good to see you’re still working over there.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:55:08pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Whatever happened to Richardson? I actually liked him a bit in 2008. Thought Obama would consider him for SoS and thought it was quite telling when Obama went otherwise first with Clinton and then with Kerry. I did hear about ethical questions though regarding him but not sure how true those were.

He was on the short list (or possibly actually nominated) for Commerce Secretary in 2009, but there was a federal grand jury investigation into pay-for-play allegations. Even though there was no indictments issued, that’s not something that typically allows one to stay in politics.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:55:20pm

It’s over for Marco.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:55:37pm

re: #249 KGxvi

He was on the short list (or possibly actually nominated) for Commerce Secretary in 2009, but there was a federal grand jury investigation into pay-for-play allegations. Even though there was no indictments issued, that’s not something that typically allows one to stay in politics.

Gotcha. Yeah probably wanted to avoid that.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:55:51pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Whatever happened to Richardson? I actually liked him a bit in 2008. Thought Obama would consider him for SoS and thought it was quite telling when Obama went otherwise first with Clinton and then with Kerry. I did hear about ethical questions though regarding him but not sure how true those were.

I don’t know about the ethics thing, but I don’t think he was a great executive. Seems like his specialty in life is going to North Korea.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:56:14pm

re: #9 KGxvi

And yet, somehow, calling Trump a proto-fascist is still not acceptable in polite company?

The GOP is proto-fascist. Trump is fascist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:56:31pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

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There used to be a candidacy here,, where the campaign donors money was warm and green.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:56:55pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

I don’t know about the ethics thing, but I don’t think he was a great executive. Seems like his specialty in life is going to North Korea.

Gotcha.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:57:16pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

If a Cuban candidate can’t draw a crowd in Hialeah, there’s no helping him. The city has about 225k people, about 75% of which are Cuban.

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Kryptik  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:57:35pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Bullshit like this is exactly why I’ve lost faith in the ‘demographic overturn’ we keep expecting out of my generation, far as discrimination issues and such. If anything it feels like they’re getting worse and being more vicious about this shit.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:58:42pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Awesome photo. I always enjoyed seeing him interviewed.

Agreed, Martin always gave good interview. A friend of mine’s engineer/producer uncle, who engineered many pop and jazz classics in Los Angeles during the fifties and sixties at Capital, Reprise and Warner Brothers, and who recently passed away, was also great at interviews. Might have something to do with it being such a detail-oriented profession.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:59:57pm

re: #258 De Kolta Chair

Agreed, Martin always gave good interview. A friend of mine’s much lesser-known engineer/producer uncle, who engineered many pop and jazz classics in Los Angeles during the fifties and sixties, and who recently passed away, was also great at interviews. Might have something to do with it being such a detailed-oriented profession.

I have a cousin whose husband is in the industry. He’s got some good stories too. One of the nicest guys I’ve ever met too.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 1:59:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:00:36pm

re: #234 retired cynic

I had the same experience. From Illinois, and the first time I heard him, I hoped the country would be smart enough to elect him president at some point.

Nobody expected him to clock Hillary in 2008, but even back then, people were looking for options so as not to have to vote for him. I would vote for Bernie if I thought he was a viable option.

So I guess it’s Hillary after all. No question, given the GOP alternatives.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:00:50pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

From the comments

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:01:01pm

re: #260 Kragar

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That kid ain’t healthy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:02:04pm

re: #9 KGxvi

And yet, somehow, calling Trump a proto-fascist is still not acceptable in polite company?

It’s like calling attention to the malignant tumor on your aunt’s neck…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:02:19pm

re: #256 KGxvi

If a Cuban candidate can’t draw a crowd in Hialeah, there’s no helping him. The city has about 225k people, about 75% of which are Cuban.

I can’t help but to think that his backtracking on immigration reform has really alienated a lot of people. I dunno though.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:03:00pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

Trump buried him. “Little Marco”. That’s gonna sting a while.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:04:30pm

re: #266 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Trump buried him. “Little Marco”. That’s gonna sting a while.

From what I understand, he’s said he’ll leave the Senate which he’s bored with anyhow if he doesn’t get the nomination. I’m not surprised he’s failing in his own state honestly. I don’t know how much he won the primary by to get nominated in 2010 but I can’t help but to wonder if there’s not rumblings that the guy has done very little to deserve to be President within Republican ranks even in his own state. It’s telling that neither Jeb or Scott endorsed him.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:04:49pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I can’t help but to think that his backtracking on immigration reform has really alienated a lot of people. I dunno though.

Granted, I’m on the west coast, but in my experience most Cubans don’t care about immigration as much as other immigrants because we get special treatment under wet foot/dry foot. Basically, if they make it to the US, there’s no such thing as an illegal Cuban. He’s not stupid enough to backtrack that far (hell, he opposed normalizing relations with Cuba, so he knows where his bread is buttered).

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:05:25pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

Most of the blame goes to the extraction industries (oil, gas, and copper, mostly) but the flow of retiring boomers continues apace.

You are no doubt right about that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:07:12pm

re: #268 KGxvi

Granted, I’m on the west coast, but in my experience most Cubans don’t care about immigration as much as other immigrants because we get special treatment under wet foot/dry foot. Basically, if they make it to the US, there’s no such thing as an illegal Cuban. He’s not stupid enough to backtrack that far (hell, he opposed normalizing relations with Cuba, so he knows where his bread is buttered).

That’s true. Then I’m not sure then. I think he’s flat out not a good candidate. I think the GOP powers to be really thought they had someone they could mold into a GOP Obama- youthful, immigrant background, Senator from a big state but he appears to only have that stuff in common and not the other stuff that made Obama a strong candidate. I’m going to be interested to read about the inside of the Rubio campaign. That story after the inside of Turmp’s is the only I’m looking forward to learning most about when this is all said and done.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:07:13pm
A total and groundbreaking reassessment of the life of Adolf Eichmann—a superb work of scholarship that reveals his activities and notoriety among a global network of National Socialists following the collapse of the Third Reich and that permanently challenges Hannah Arendt’s notion of the “banality of evil.”

Smuggled out of Europe after the collapse of Germany, Eichmann managed to live a peaceful and active exile in Argentina for years before his capture by the Mossad. Though once widely known by nicknames such as “Manager of the Holocaust,” in 1961 he was able to portray himself, from the defendant’s box in Jerusalem, as an overworked bureaucrat following orders—no more, he said, than “just a small cog in Adolf Hitler’s extermination machine.” How was this carefully crafted obfuscation possible? How did a central architect of the Final Solution manage to disappear? And what had he done with his time while in hiding?

Bettina Stangneth, the first to comprehensively analyze more than 1,300 pages of Eichmann’s own recently discovered written notes— as well as seventy-three extensive audio reel recordings of a crowded Nazi salon held weekly during the 1950s in a popular district of Buenos Aires—draws a chilling portrait, not of a reclusive, taciturn war criminal on the run, but of a highly skilled social manipulator with an inexhaustible ability to reinvent himself, an unrepentant murderer eager for acolytes with whom to discuss past glories while vigorously planning future goals with other like-minded fugitives.

A work that continues to garner immense international attention and acclaim, Eichmann Before Jerusalem maps out the astonishing links between innumerable past Nazis—from ace Luftwaffe pilots to SS henchmen—both in exile and in Germany, and reconstructs in detail the postwar life of one of the Holocaust’s principal organizers as no other book has done

amazon.com

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:08:33pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

From what I understand, he’s said he’ll leave the Senate which he’s bored with anyhow if he doesn’t get the nomination. I’m not surprised he’s failing in his own state honestly. I don’t know how much he won the primary by to get nominated in 2010 but I can’t help but to wonder if there’s not rumblings that the guy has done very little to deserve to be President within Republican ranks even in his own state. It’s telling that neither Jeb or Scott endorsed him.

He won 85% of the vote in the primary, but Crist didn’t run (polling definitely favored Rubio, starting at 57-4 for Crist in January 2009 and finishing 56-33 for Rubio by April 2010). He won less than 49% in the general election, and Crist came in second just under 30%. My guess is that like a lot of Tea Partiers, once he got into office he realized that government is actually hard work and decided to try and fail up.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:09:19pm

Instagram

A security agent stands near a #display of ‘#Trump’ products - including Trump #Steaks, Trump #Wine and Trump Bottled #Water - which Republican presidential candidate #DonaldTrump laid out during a press conference at the Trump National Golf Club in #Jupiter, #Florida after winning the #Republican Presidential primaries in Mississippi and Michigan | March 8, 2016 | 📷: @jraedle | #GettyImagesNews

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:09:44pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

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He gave up his Senate seat for this, decided not to run for reelection. In the short term at least this is it for his political career. He put his entire future in this sad little basket.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:09:57pm

Given how most of the voting in the Democrats’ race is proportional, it seems to me to be not terribly helpful for the media to be focusing on who “wins” each state. I far prefer 538’s approach, talking about how each candidate is doing relative to what they need for the nomination.

Anyhow, does anyone else find it funny that Hillary is having such problems with the middle-class white vote, when she did so well with them in the 2008 primaries versus Obama? After all, if it was about job security and international trade, Obama should have done better with middle-class whites, given that he ran to the left of Hillary.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:10:39pm

re: #272 KGxvi

He won 85% of the vote in the primary, but Crist didn’t run (polling definitely favored Rubio, starting at 57-4 for Crist in January 2009 and finishing 56-33 for Rubio by April 2010). He won less than 49% in the general election, and Crist came in second just under 30%. My guess is that like a lot of Tea Partiers, once he got into office he realized that government is actually hard work and decided to try and fail up.

Ah okay. Then i’m stumped. I think he had this actually legislating is hard work mentality in FL too since I’ve read he appeared bored with that as well. I can’t help but to read about his enjoyment of the perks that politics gives someone and think he wants the prestige of being called Senator Rubio with little of the work that goes in to being called Senator Rubio. who knows though. I think he blew his credibility the second he backed out of immigration reform because the holler assholes yelled at him.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:11:09pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

That’s true. Then I’m not sure then. I think he’s flat out not a good candidate. I think the GOP powers to be really thought they had someone they could mold into a GOP Obama- youthful, immigrant background, Senator from a big state but he appears to only have that stuff in common and not the other stuff that made Obama a strong candidate. I’m going to be interested to read about the inside of the Rubio campaign. That story after the inside of Turmp’s is the only I’m looking forward to learning most about when this is all said and done.

Like I said earlier today… I think the idea behind a Rubio campaign this year was to set himself up as “next in line” after Jeb won the nomination (and in a normal year, Jeb should have won the nomination a couple weeks ago). He’d either get a gig in Jeb’s administration or could have taken a shot at the Florida governor’s office or gotten a few nice seats on corporate boards until he was ready to jump back into politics.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:11:10pm

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:11:43pm

You won’t have Ken Cuccinelli to kick around anymore (at least for awhile):
Ken Cuccinelli withdraws from consideration for Virginia Supreme Court

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:12:08pm

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

He gave up his Senate seat for this, decided not to run for reelection. In the short term at least this is it for his political career. He put his entire future in this sad little basket.

Maybe he runs for governor in 2018 but there will rightfully be the suspicion that he’ll just give up on that in 2020 to run again. I wonder what he’ll do. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who will get a Fox show. I mean fuck Mike Huckabee but he has that aw shucks likability that conservatives like. The only people that really seem to like Marco Rubio are powers to be type Republicans.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:12:16pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:12:28pm

re: #277 KGxvi

Like I said earlier today… I think the idea behind a Rubio campaign this year was to set himself up as “next in line” after Jeb won the nomination (and in a normal year, Jeb should have won the nomination a couple weeks ago). He’d either get a gig in Jeb’s administration or could have taken a shot at the Florida governor’s office or gotten a few nice seats on corporate boards until he was ready to jump back into politics.

True that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:12:49pm

re: #279 Timothy Watson

You won’t have Ken Cuccinelli to kick around anymore (at least for awhile):
Ken Cuccinelli withdraws from consideration for Virginia Supreme Court

That’s the best news I heard all day. Fuck Coochie.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:15:13pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

That’s the best news I heard all day. Fuck Coochie.

[Creationist] Who’ll stand up now for the missing transitional fossils now???!!!1!![/Creationist]

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:15:36pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

They won’t confront him. They’ll embrace him and when he loses (oh I really hope he does), it’ll be because he wasn’t enough of a narcissistic, racist asshole. They’ll never confront their demons. Ever.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:15:45pm

re: #284 De Kolta Chair

[Creationist] Who’ll stand up now for the missing transitional fossils now???!!!1!![/Creationist]>

Who will protect Virginians from the horrors of consensual oral sex!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:15:56pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:17:36pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

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Alternate hashtag to follow: #TeamFloof

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:18:01pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Maybe he runs for governor in 2018 but there will rightfully be the suspicion that he’ll just give up on that in 2020 to run again. I wonder what he’ll do. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who will get a Fox show. I mean fuck Mike Huckabee but he has that aw shucks likability that conservatives like. The only people that really seem to like Marco Rubio are powers to be type Republicans.

That idea probably cost Nixon the California gubernatorial election in 1962. Though, taking a page out of the Nixon playbook, he’s still a member in good standing of the Florida Bar, so maybe he gets a cushy partnership at a big firm with a corner office and lots of golf course meetings? I’ve heard, second hand, that this sort of thing happens when lawyers leave elected or appointed office, because it looks good on the firm’s letterhead/website.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:18:23pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Maybe he runs for governor in 2018 but there will rightfully be the suspicion that he’ll just give up on that in 2020 to run again. I wonder what he’ll do. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who will get a Fox show. I mean fuck Mike Huckabee but he has that aw shucks likability that conservatives like. The only people that really seem to like Marco Rubio are powers to be type Republicans.

He would be in a much stronger position running for Governor if he was still Senator. That’s how stepping stones are supposed to work, you go directly from one to the next. This bizarre and as far as I can tell unnecessary leap without a safety net makes absolutely no sense, at least until you factor in that Marco actually acted like he hated doing his job as Senator.

I’m sure he’ll land a cushy lobbying job, but this whole weird gambit still seem reckless as hell.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:20:29pm
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Scout  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:21:25pm

re: #25 sizzzzlerz

They’re pack animals. They’ll attack one of their own who is wounded before returning to the chase. Just instinctive behavior.

“Pack animals.”

I think that’s the best succinct description of them I’ve ever read.

Well done.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:21:26pm

re: #289 KGxvi

That idea probably cost Nixon the California gubernatorial election in 1962. Though, taking a page out of the Nixon playbook, he’s still a member in good standing of the Florida Bar, so maybe he gets a cushy partnership at a big firm with a corner office and lots of golf course meetings? I’ve heard, second hand, that this sort of thing happens when lawyers leave elected or appointed office, because it looks good on the firm’s letterhead/website.

I’m sure he’ll do well for himself but I think his presidential aspirations are dead though Nixon’s arc makes you never say never.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:22:12pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

He would be in a much stronger position running for Governor if he was still Senator. That’s how stepping stones are supposed to work, you go directly from one to the next. This bizarre and as far as I can tell unnecessary leap without a safety net makes absolutely no sense, at least until you factor in that Marco actually acted like he hated doing his job as Senator.

I’m sure he’ll land a cushy lobbying job, but this whole weird gambit still seem reckless as hell.

Yeah he fucked himself by quitting like that and by showing how much he hated being in the Senate. Cushy lobbying job sounds about right to me.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:23:34pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:23:56pm

how many breitbarts would fit on the dumbarton bridge if they werent too swift?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:26:38pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

From what I understand, he’s said he’ll leave the Senate which he’s bored with anyhow if he doesn’t get the nomination. I’m not surprised he’s failing in his own state honestly. I don’t know how much he won the primary by to get nominated in 2010 but I can’t help but to wonder if there’s not rumblings that the guy has done very little to deserve to be President within Republican ranks even in his own state. It’s telling that neither Jeb or Scott endorsed him.

Since he was hardly in the Senate, I don’t imagine he’ll miss it much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:28:11pm

re: #297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Since he was hardly in the Senate, I don’t imagine he’ll miss it much.

Only the steady paycheck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:28:37pm

re: #296 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how many breitbarts would fit on the dumbarton bridge if they werent too swift?

Can we blow the approaches once they’re all on it?

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:28:43pm

re: #297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Since he was hardly in the Senate, I don’t imagine he’ll miss it much.

I’m sure Rubio will miss the perquisites of high office. He will not miss the responsibilities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:29:51pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

That’s the best news I heard all day. Fuck Coochie.

Looking like McCullough isn’t much better:

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:30:05pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Maybe he runs for governor in 2018 but there will rightfully be the suspicion that he’ll just give up on that in 2020 to run again. I wonder what he’ll do. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who will get a Fox show. I mean fuck Mike Huckabee but he has that aw shucks likability that conservatives like. The only people that really seem to like Marco Rubio are powers to be type Republicans.

He’s basically following Eric Cantor’s lead, another fairly young, moderately charismatic Republican “rising star” that just didn’t pass the modern GOPs racial purity standards. Now he’ll be exiled to the Beltway Hinterlands and forced to jerk off his betters, but at least he’ll be well paid for this service.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:30:24pm

I don’t see Rubio getting a lobbying job. He didn’t work very hard at his job, and didn’t make many connections. What’s he got to sell?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:31:31pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

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It was his birthday, he had to come back!!!11!!!

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:31:39pm

re: #303 Belafon

I don’t see Rubio getting a lobbying job. He didn’t work very hard at his job, and didn’t make many connections. What’s he got to sell?

Bottled water?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:32:46pm

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looking like McCullough isn’t much better:

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Not surprised sigh. And hey I’ve met Mark Keam before. Nice guy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:33:08pm

re: #303 Belafon

I don’t see Rubio getting a lobbying job. He didn’t work very hard at his job, and didn’t make many connections. What’s he got to sell?

That is true too.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:34:05pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

He’s basically following Eric Cantor’s lead, another fairly young, moderately charismatic Republican “rising star” that just didn’t pass the modern GOPs racial purity standards. Now he’ll be exiled to the Beltway Hinterlands and forced to jerk off his betters, but at least he’ll be well paid for this service.

I like the Cantor analogy. Really surprised there’s no rumors about Cantor perhaps seeking the nomination for governor or senator here in the near future but losing your own primary probably does that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:34:14pm

heh

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:34:52pm

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder Wants Taxpayers to Pay His Legal Fees in the Flint Case

Well, why not? They were the idiots who elected him.

esquire.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:35:08pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was his birthday, he had to come back!!!11!!!

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Who the fuck is Nick Searcy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:36:53pm

re: #305 Kragar

Bottled water?

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:36:58pm

re: #303 Belafon

Does wingnut welfare contain any standard of merit?

It seems to me like the failures get hired because the people that funded them can’t admit they backed failures. By insulating them inside a enclosed system of lobbying and “punditry,” you keep them away from scrutiny, and you get to pretend they didn’t fail…they were failed by evil liberals and RINOs.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:37:01pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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500 word blogpost with a four hour deadline? Pfft my last short story was 889 words and took me about a half hour or so to write once I got flowing. I swear Libers are some of the most smug people you’ll meet on the political scene since they’re so confident they’re right and you’re wrong because they’re the smartest person in the room.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:37:18pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

Who the fuck is Nick Searcy?

He has a Peabody!!!

AND A POOL!!!111!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:37:37pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why would they do that? Seemed like a good ad campaign. I don’t drink Dos Equis but I know Dos Equis because of the Most Interesting Man in the World.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:39:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:39:32pm

re: #313 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

Does wingnut welfare contain any standard of merit?

It seems to me like the failures get hired because the people that funded them can’t admit they backed failures. By insulating them inside a enclosed system of lobbying and “punditry,” you keep them away from scrutiny, and you get to pretend they didn’t fail…they were failed by evil liberals and RINOs.

That’s very true. Instead of being forced into the wilderness after she quit on her state, Palin got a nice job at FNC. Wingnut welfare pays better than actual honest work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:40:07pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has a Peabody!!!

AND A POOL!!!111!!!!

Are you sure you don’t mean SHERMAN?

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:40:20pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think they’ll have trouble getting rid of him.

Edit: How do you have a second “most interesting man in the world.”

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The Ghost of a Cunning Plan  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:41:31pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

There’s also the whole PAC as profit-center thing. Which is technically not patronage, but operates on much the same tickling of partisan ties to make people give you money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:42:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:42:59pm

re: #321 The Ghost of Bork Bork Bork Bork

There’s also the whole PAC as profit-center thing. Which is technically not patronage, but operates on much the same tickling of partisan ties to make people give you money.

Yep. A lot of people think FWIW Cruz pulls a DeMint and goes a Heritage Foundation route in 2018. I know this much. He’s oging to be heavily targeted by the DSCC and I don’t expect much help from his fellow Republicans because who actually wants to be seen wit Ted Cruz.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:44:36pm
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BeachDem  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:47:40pm

re: #281 De Kolta Chair

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I think it’s more like

And how you tried to make it work
Did you really think it could
How you tried to make it last
Did you really think it would
Like a guest who stayed too long
Now it’s finally time to leave
Yes, it’s finally time to leave
Take it calmly and serene
It’s the famous final scene
Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - The famous final scene

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:49:36pm
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Belafon  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:50:09pm

re: #320 Belafon

I think they’ll have trouble getting rid of him.

Edit: How do you have a second “most interesting man in the world.”

To answer my own question: You launch the original one into space. But it must suck being “the most interesting man in the world because we got rid of the last one.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:51:34pm

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I confess I am distinctly ambivalent about this. Now that our back fence has been replaced (and passed Rango’s inspection) I no longer worry about the old fence getting washed away and becoming a dam, and us getting sued, so let the rain fall!

Now I can see all the deers!

OTOH, it can get really dangerous in some places. In the 1982 El Nino, a number of people were killed by mudslides, and we’ve got similar conditions building here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:52:45pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:54:32pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those kitties look like they have all been eating very well. Maybe too well. But I don’t know, I am not a cat owner.

Regarding the Breitbart comments it appears they all love them some bully types and want a strong-arm leader type. They must all have had no fathers and want some missing old time discipline. They don’t want a leader they want an abuser.

Crazy election this year…never have I seen anything like this.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:55:13pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Please sir, may I have some more?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:58:59pm

re: #330 ObserverArt

Those kitties look like they have all been eating very well. Maybe too well. But I don’t know, I am not a cat owner.

Regarding the Breitbart comments it appears they all love them some bully types and want a strong-arm leader type. They must all have had no fathers and want some missing old time discipline. They don’t want a leader they want an abuser.

Crazy election this year…never have I seen anything like this.

They want the same thing in a President that they want in a God - an angry, vengeful father who will punish all the Bad People and reward people like them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:59:26pm

Kentucky with that laser focus on all the really important stuff:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 9, 2016 • 2:59:36pm

re: #331 Targetpractice

“Please sir, may I have some more?”

Looks less like asking and more like expecting, to me.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:00:29pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rubio tells @chucktodd that his kids were embarrassed by him flinging mud at Trump and he wouldn’t do it again.

A little late for that; he embarrassed the entire country. On the other hand, it did afford Trump the opportunity to reveal yet again his utter lack of class and restraint. The only worthwhile response to such childish vulgarity is to rise above it and ignore it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:00:35pm
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meteor  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:01:30pm

re: #90 Nyet

She’s a Cruzbot and Trumpers hate Cruzbots.

Sounds like a battle out of a video game.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:01:31pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

I’m still slogging through Steve Silberman’s book, Neurotribes; The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity. It’s a long book about our history (mostly in Europe and the US) of dealing with mental illness and how we’ve progressed in our understanding of the human brain and how it works. (NOTE: The following statements are my interpretation of what I’m reading/learning on this topic and not my personal thoughts and opinions. This book is excellent, but it’s challenging and cringeworthy to read because, well, nazis and just how society at large has dealt with those not considered “normal” over time. I’ve had to take breaks from reading because some of the material is just heartbreaking. Still an excellent book, well researched and worth the effort to read)

In Sanger’s day and time eugenics was highly focused on mental illnesses and disabilities being liabilities to humanity. By eliminating those people from the gene pool, it would create a better and happier world. It had little to do with race and more what was deemed “defective” (which yes, for too many people included racial prejudices based on really backward thinking of those times. But eugenics was not at all limited to race) What many hard line conservatives/religious people fail to understand is that a person or even a group of people can, do and should change their views as more new information is found.This is what grown ass people do, if they have any kind of basic intelligence. Fortunately we have science and decades of research and studies that have changed the views of the scientific community and the public at large. As we learn more, I believe we will begin to change what is viewed as “normal” to be a much broader category. Conservative using Sanger as ammunition are the same dumbasses that are using Robert Byrd’s affiliation with the KKK as “proof” that liberals are the REAL racists, ignoring of course that Byrd grew the fuck up and was ashamed of that time in his life.

Sometimes the need to be right about everything completely overrides facts and just fucking basic intelligence.

One of my aunts, a MD, worked with Sanger on birth control issues.

My aunt was a real interesting person with a great sense of humor.

If she could see today’s attacks on woman’s health issues and birth control, she’d say shades of the 1920s.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:01:42pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky with that laser focus on all the really important stuff:

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Fine, as long as they also set up regs for elective science study courses in taxpayer supported churches.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:01:57pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Looks less like asking and more like expecting, to me.

“This bowl is empty!”

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A Cranky One  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:02:51pm

re: #245 De Kolta Chair

OT but George Martin was indeed a most talented chap. And for the most part kept these mop-topped scouses in line, which was no small feat.

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George Martin contributed the piano solo that served as a bridge in the Beatles tune “In My Life”*. Always liked that bridge, gave the song a different flavor. Also gave me a hint of GM’s other talents. Sorry that he’s gone.

* Some interesting things about that solo I didn’t know:
The song was recorded on 18 October 1965, and was complete except for the instrumental bridge.[13] At that time, Lennon had not decided what instrument to use, but he subsequently asked George Martin to play a piano solo, suggesting “something Baroque-sounding”.[1] Martin wrote a Bach-influenced piece that he found he could not play at the song’s tempo. On 22 October, the solo was recorded with the tape running at half speed, so when played back at normal pace the piano was twice as fast and an octave higher, solving the performance challenge and also giving the solo a unique timbre, reminiscent of a harpsichord.[14][15] Wikipedia

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:07:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:09:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:12:47pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:14:08pm

GetElectedIn3Words?

Klaatu Barada Ni…ni…damnit, I know it starts with an “N.”

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:15:34pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Never burn a bridge unless your enemies are on it.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:16:08pm

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:16:47pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:18:29pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That dessert is straight out of Pee Wee’s playhouse. Love it!

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:18:35pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can we extend him an offer for an extended stay? Say from now until 2024?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:19:09pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m gonna be shallow here and drool for a bit over how good he makes that suit look.

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Scout  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:19:10pm

Soooooooooooo …

Who does Drumpf pick for his veep candidate?

My guess is Perry, the former Texas governor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:21:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:21:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:22:13pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:23:16pm

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Didn’t vote for the Liberal Party but I like the man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:24:45pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:25:23pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

From the looks of his avatar, and that is likely him in my opinion, he hasn’t seen the sun since before Obama was President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:29:47pm

jeebus

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:30:21pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Mmm, heavy metal goodness.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:31:14pm
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darthstar  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:31:39pm
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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:32:39pm

re: #352 Scout

Soooooooooooo …

Who does Drumpf pick for his veep candidate?

My guess is Perry, the former Texas governor.

This is an interesting game. I don’t think it’ll be Perry. I’d lean to Christie or Palin, I’m figuring someone who endorsed him early because that seems to be the way Trump thinks. Of course, Ivanka has to be on the board at decent odds, right?

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darthstar  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:33:12pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:33:55pm

re: #362 darthstar

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What Michigan showed is that open primaries mean the other side can reach over and fuck with you all they like.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:34:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:34:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:35:16pm

NYTTIMES PLEASE STOP GIVING TRUMP A TONGUE BATH

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darthstar  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:36:39pm

re: #365 Targetpractice

What Michigan showed is that open primaries mean the other side can reach over and fuck with you all they like.

You really think half a million people in one state voted for Bernie just to fuck with Hillary?

That pretty much dismisses the idea of free will.

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darthstar  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:37:26pm

re: #366 Stanley Sea

Cornel West is fucked in the head. And he doesn’t help Sanders by speaking on his behalf.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:37:42pm

re: #365 Targetpractice

What Michigan showed is that open primaries mean the other side can reach over and fuck with you all they like.

exactly.
Also, in Michigan Sanders got 70% of the Independents.
Ohio coming up, for example, is a closed primary. Before throwing around the “working class voter” threat, let’s see how that works out when it’s just Democrats voting, shall we?

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:37:51pm

re: #365 Targetpractice

What Michigan showed is that open primaries mean the other side can reach over and fuck with you all they like.

Per the CNN exit poll of Michigan:

Republican primary electorate: 62% R; 31% I; 7% D
Democratic primary electorate: 69% D; 27% I; 4% R

If anything the Republicans were the rat fuckees rather than the rat fuckers.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:40:22pm

re: #372 KGxvi

Per the CNN exit poll of Michigan:

Republican primary electorate: 62% R; 31% I; 7% D
Democratic primary electorate: 69% D; 27% I; 4% R

If anything the Republicans were the rat fuckees rather than the rat fuckers.

Yes, Hillary supporters got complacent due to polling and crossed over to ratfk the Repub primary.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:41:29pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ‎@Green_Footballs

You really are an angry little dimwitted weasel, aren’t you?


@Nickamortis
6:20 PM - 9 Mar 2016

Looks like Nick spends too much time on his facial hair to take time for critical thinking.

I see at least three images on his Tweet page with different styles. I think Nick has no identity and is in search of one.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:42:34pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

And some stayed home.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:43:10pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Nope we don’t need no damn EPA! We can get by without them just the same.

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bratwurst  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:44:00pm

Keep up the good work!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:44:03pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:44:49pm

re: #377 bratwurst

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Keep up the good work!

Hey now, Mark Kirk is one of the “sane” one.

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bratwurst  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:44:56pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

Yes, Hillary supporters got complacent due to polling and crossed over to ratfk the Repub primary.

I nearly did the same thing as an early voter here in Illinois yesterday, but very glad now I didn’t!

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TedStriker  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:45:42pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

It’s over for Marco.

Poor Marco…
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:47:39pm

re: #352 Scout

Soooooooooooo …

Who does Drumpf pick for his veep candidate?

My guess is Perry, the former Texas governor.

If it isn’t someone in his family, it will be a person who will be completely subservient to him at all times, a person who wouldn’t have the guts to make a decision if they were ever required to fill in because The Great Man was incapacitated.

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:48:04pm

re: #365 Targetpractice

What Michigan showed is that open primaries mean the other side can reach over and fuck with you all they like.

Allow me to pimp my page.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:48:47pm

re: #381 TedStriker

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Is that a Trump weiner?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:49:26pm
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geosherman  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:49:31pm

re: #123 KerFuFFler

is that a Malva? reminds me of the ‘cheeseweed’ we have in our yard…

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:50:10pm

Here’s something interesting from that Michigan exit poll on the Republican side. Voters were asked which best described their vote: strongly favor the candidate; have reservations about the candidate; dislike the other candidate. 52% said they strongly favored their candidate, 29% said they had reservations, and 18% disliked all the other choices (which seems… high).

Trump won 49% of those who strongly favor their candidate (half of half puts him right around the magic number of 27% of the Michigan Republican primary electorate). For comparison’s sake, Cruz got 21% and Kasich got 19% among those voters.

Trump and Cruz each got 34% among those with reservations about their candidate, while Kasich got 18%.

Among those who disliked the other candidates, Kasich won 46%, Cruz had 23% and Trump had 12%.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:52:05pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:52:12pm

re: #369 darthstar

You really think half a million people in one state voted for Bernie just to fuck with Hillary?

That pretty much dismisses the idea of free will.

Key words: other side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:53:25pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:54:31pm

Trump keeps racking up the endorsements.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:55:54pm
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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:56:52pm

re: #392 Skip Intro

Honest? Fuck me sideways with a chain saw.

Trump literally can’t say more than 20 words without lying or exaggerating.

We used to be a smart people. Now…we’re not.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:57:22pm

re: #370 darthstar

Cornel West is fucked in the head. And he doesn’t help Sanders by speaking on his behalf.

Who allowed him into the campaign? The buck stops at the top or at least can be controlled by the top.

I happen to think it reflects on Bernie’s desire to reach the African American voters and not understanding who the real leaders in the community are. A bit of a rush to find someone to speak to them for him. We can’t forget Iron Mike either.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:57:55pm

re: #394 MsJ

Honest? Fuck me sideways with a chain saw.

Trump literally can’t say more than 20 words without lying or exaggerating.

We used to be a smart people. Now…we’re not.

In fairness, Voight is an actor, he makes his living, essentially by lying - or at least pretending to be someone else - so maybe he’s just not good at understanding what telling the truth means?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:58:04pm

re: #370 darthstar

Cornel West is fucked in the head. And he doesn’t help Sanders by speaking on his behalf.

Nobody forced Sanders campaign to make West an official surrogate. They chose to do that knowing exactly the kind of absolutely horrible shit he had said about Obama. This is because they were more interested in creating an illusion of black support to satisfy their white base than in doing genuine outreach work.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:58:38pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 3:59:05pm

re: #392 Skip Intro

Trump keeps racking up the endorsements.

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Voight’s endorsement was no doubt written by the editorial staff of the Washington Times. He does that a lot.

Btw, it is almost word for word what he wrote about Burt Reynold in the forward to the latter’s autobiography (which I read a few weeks ago and recommend to my fellow movie trivia buffs).

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:00:11pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:01:57pm

re: #243 KGxvi

For some reason, I’m reminded of this:

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That’s pretty funny that that skit predicted Dick Cheney would be shot in a hunting accident.

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No Country For Old Haters  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:02:17pm

re: #260 Kragar

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:02:41pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

Nobody forced Sanders campaign to make West an official surrogate. They chose to do that knowing exactly the kind of absolutely horrible shit he had said about Obama. This is because they were more interested in creating an illusion of black support to satisfy their white base than in doing genuine outreach work.

I was thinking Bernie could get a pass for his klutziness about black people, being from Vermont and all, but for fuck’s sake, he works in Washington DC!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:03:33pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think Sanders meant badly, but he may be bad at both judging importance of people to communities, and to some extent bad at judging people.

Not a bad person, but not someone who should be chief executive either.

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KGxvi  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:04:02pm

re: #401 Big Beautiful Door

That’s pretty funny that that skit predicted Dick Cheney would be shot in a hunting accident.

Cheney was the shooter rather than the shootee in real life. But yes, it was pretty good, the line about never hearing of a civil war was great. There was also one with Gore where it was one of his “regular” Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday prime time addresses where he was reviewing each state’s pop quiz results…

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:05:37pm

re: #392 Skip Intro

Trump keeps racking up the endorsements.

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The funny thing about people like Voight saying Trump is honest is if you ask them about Trump’s statements vilifying Mexicans, his promise to challenge the birthright citizenship of immigrant children, his torture advocacy or his promises to enact religious tests for entry and they almost always pivot and say Trump is lying / exaggerating for effect. In fact the very thing they love about him is that they know he’s not honest at all, it’s all part of the modern Republican lie as a shibboleth. It’s the knowing repetition of a blatant lie as a kind of group identity signal.

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stpaulbear  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:05:44pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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I’ll make sure to add that to my list of ‘Places That I Will Never Live’.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:06:19pm

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

Nobody forced Sanders campaign to make West an official surrogate. They chose to do that knowing exactly the kind of absolutely horrible shit he had said about Obama. This is because they were more interested in creating an illusion of black support to satisfy their white base than in doing genuine outreach work.

I need to comment like Frank I guess. I said basically the same thing but Frank gets the ‘dings.

Harrrumph!!!

: )

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blueraven  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:06:48pm

re: #369 darthstar

You really think half a million people in one state voted for Bernie just to fuck with Hillary?

That pretty much dismisses the idea of free will.

Good grief, Bernie won by 1.5%.
Hillary and Bernie each got more votes than Trump.
Hillary didn’t get her votes out.
The polls were wrong.

Stop making so much of one very close state primary.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:07:42pm

re: #408 ObserverArt

I need to comment like Frank I guess. I said basically the same thing but Frank gets the ‘dings.

Harrrumph!!!

: )

The world is totes bullshit I agree.

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No Country For Old Haters  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:08:41pm

re: #394 MsJ

Honest? Fuck me sideways with a chain saw.

Trump literally can’t say more than 20 words without lying or exaggerating.

We used to be a smart people. Now…we’re not.

We were never a smart people. It’s just that we didn’t hear from most of the clueless, totally self-confident people until the Internet brought them to our attention.

Without the Internet, we’d have heard of Trump, but not just about every other waste of oxygen that we see every day online.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:09:08pm

re: #409 blueraven

Good grief, Bernie won by 1.5%.
Hillary and Bernie each got more votes than Trump.
Hillary didn’t get her votes out.
The polls were wrong.

Stop making so much of one very close state primary.

but but but…Politico sez it was a drubbing!
A DRUBBING!!!111!!!

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:09:58pm

re: #410 goddamnedfrank

The world is totes bullshit I agree.

Thanks for the upding Frank. It’s like getting my name in the phonebook!

“cept they really don’t publish phone books anymore (at least in my area).

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:12:42pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

He’s basically following Eric Cantor’s lead, another fairly young, moderately charismatic Republican “rising star” that just didn’t pass the modern GOPs racial purity standards. Now he’ll be exiled to the Beltway Hinterlands and forced to jerk off his betters, but at least he’ll be well paid for this service.

Could Rubio have been the $2k ninja prostitute who assassinated Scalia?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:13:25pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

but but but…Politico sez it was a drubbing!
A DRUBBING!!!111!!!

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Michigan was very valuable to HRC. The time to get beyond complacency was yesterday.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:14:04pm

Before I bury myself in writing, here’s some OT fun pictures of cross stitch, buried below spoilers so those who want to can skip them.

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New start tonight. I really like the Year In Chalk series. I’m swapping the colored floss for variegated, after being inspired by @xstitch_shari. I really like how it’s turning out so far, although I have really mixed feelings on this linen. Not quite stiff enough? Hopefully I’ll get used to it.

#crossstitch #crossstitching #crossstitchersofinstagram #handsondesign #ayearinchalk

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And another small finish. Greenland Santa, from the Arctic Circle Santa collection by Mill Hill. I’m pleased with it, even if the goat-sheep is weird. Now into the finish bag it goes… #crossstitching #crossstitch #crossstitchersofinstagram #millhill #beading #santa

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More beading done. It really sucks when you have to frog beads. No, really. #crossstitch #crossstitching #crossstitchersofinstagram #millhill #beading #ornaments #panda

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:14:39pm

re: #403 wrenchwench

I was thinking Bernie could get a pass for his klutziness about black people, being from Vermont and all, but for fuck’s sake, he works in Washington DC!

Too busy reading the Wall Street Journal…and fuming. /

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:15:42pm

re: #412 Backwoods_Sleuth

but but but…Politico sez it was a drubbing!
A DRUBBING!!!111!!!

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She ends up with >47% of the delegates in a state and it’s a “drubbing”. She has over half the delegates needed to win and has more than double the delegates Sanders has.

419
wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:16:43pm

re: #417 ObserverArt

Too busy reading the Wall Street Journal…and fuming. /

With his sack lunch. I don’t think he gets out much.

420
Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:17:38pm
421
ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:18:51pm

re: #406 goddamnedfrank

The funny thing about people like Voight saying Trump is honest is if you ask them about Trump’s statements vilifying Mexicans, his promise to challenge the birthright citizenship of immigrant children, his torture advocacy or his promises to enact religious tests for entry and they almost always pivot and say Trump is lying / exaggerating for effect. In fact the very thing they love about him is that they know he’s not honest at all, it’s all part of the modern Republican lie as a shibboleth. It’s the knowing repetition of a blatant lie as a kind of group identity signal.

Has not Voight always been a bit wingnutty? I seem to remember he got a bit crazed about Obama too.

By the way…shouldn’t some of these right leaning actor types put a stop to the conservative thinking that Hollywood is 100% liberal?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:19:42pm

re: #420 Stanley Sea

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Miserable freakn’ Flash player.

423
De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:20:36pm

re: #420 Stanley Sea

Good stuff, and the Doctor Who cosplay is strong with these two. Nothing wrong with that!

424
ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

re: #414 Big Beautiful Door

Could Rubio have been the $2k ninja prostitute who assassinated Scalia?

I bet he looks great in a nice long black haired wig.

425
thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:21:29pm

Evening Lizardim.

426
The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:22:07pm

re: #352 Scout

Soooooooooooo …

Who does Drumpf pick for his veep candidate?

My guess is Perry, the former Texas governor.

He will pick himself, because no one else is good enough.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:22:54pm

re: #426 The Vicious Babushka

He will pick himself, because no one else is good enough.

He will have apprentice veeps.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:23:18pm

re: #352 Scout

Soooooooooooo …

Who does Drumpf pick for his veep candidate?

My guess is Perry, the former Texas governor.

I don’t have the slightest idea. He should make candidates compete like on The Apprentice, then select the winner, Dennis Rodman or Gary Busey.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:23:57pm

re: #428 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t have the slightest idea. He should make candidates compete like on The Apprentice, then select the winner, Dennis Rodman or Gary Busey.

Rodman has the foreign policy edge.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:24:23pm

Grown-ups and their grown-up problems. Am I right, fellow kids?

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:26:25pm

re: #421 ObserverArt

Has not Voight always been a bit wingnutty? I seem to remember he got a bit crazed about Obama too.

By the way…shouldn’t some of these right leaning actor types put a stop to the conservative thinking that Hollywood is 100% liberal?

Yes. He hates Obama and I believe he’s a birther.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:29:21pm

Comedy gold:

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:31:19pm

You might want to keep this handy when you go vote in November.

This is from Kyle Odom, the guy who shot the Idaho pastor and made threats against the president.

Just another insane “good guy with a gun”, until he wasn’t.

washingtonpost.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:34:35pm

I sure wish Hillary wouldn’t have voted for NAFTA in ‘93 and the Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China in 2000 and CAFTA in 2005. Otherwise Bernie wouldn’t be able to bash her about all that.

Oh wait…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:41:52pm

re: #352 Scout

Jesse Ventura

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No Depression  Mar 9, 2016 • 4:49:20pm

Just saw this disgusting picture on my Facebook. So NSFL. /

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